Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 456

Episode Date: August 15, 2026

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim talks about Ric Flair's latest tweets, The Rock's musical aspirations, Meltzer & Alvarez's latest spat, and much more! Plus Jim reviews WWE Smackdown, plays Guess The Program, and returns to his look at the Top 20 Wrestlers In Their 20s in 1994! Thanks to our episode sponsors: COVERON:  Exclusive Coveron discount: https://coveron.com/jce or use code jce at checkout  HEXCLAD:  Find your forever cookware @hexclad and get 10% off at hexclad.com/JCE! #hexcladpartner RIDGE: Get 10% off your entire order by going to https://www.Ridge.com/JCE #Ridgepod Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm so confused. Oh, there it was. There was. Hello again, friends. Yeah. And Mr. Jibber Jibber over there. Hello again, friends. And you are and we're friends.

Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornets drive-through. I feel like I sound like crap today, but we're going to get through this. I'm your host of Great Brian Last. We have a lot of fun wrestling talk, past and present. A lot of people behaving badly. with this man, Mr. Beaving Badley, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett. I was about to say, why did you have to mention the behaving of the badly and then bring me into it? Like, I had something to do with any of this.

I'm just talking about it. I wasn't even there. I'm not involved. I'm going to have loud conversations with myself during the concert. That's a great person to be around. During the concert, I was, you know, I thought for a second there, I say, you know what? maybe it's just that it's me or maybe I've just gotten used to this, but it almost sounds like it, I mean, there's the stray notes that don't belong, but there always are, but it followed some kind

of coherent pattern this time. They all belong. Until you got to that last little sharp one that just goes up your, your uterus into your fucking fallopian tubes there and just rattles you around. Tickles your eardrums and puts a melody in your head that won't leave. Yeah. Yeah, tickles your eardrum like a fucking lead pipe upside of an oil drum is what it does.

I'm hearing so many compliments from people. You are the new Errol Garner. You are the new Dr. Teeth in the electric mayhem. I mean, just people really losing their minds over this growing sound, this new sound that's sweeping small subsections of some areas. I really didn't know that we had any old examples of those people that you just mentioned.

and Dr. Procter and his red rectum rockers or whatever it was. I didn't know that they existed the first time around. But I've been in the dark here the past couple of days. I don't have by my full faculties, the things that I do to keep up with the world that are failing me. And if it wasn't for the fact that I have a pair of precocious, precious Pomeranian puppies to placate me, I'd be pissed. just to be honest with you.

But let me tell you about nature boy, buddy Cornett. He has gotten a habit where he likes to sleep whenever I'm on the couch, he will, now that they can jump up on the couch, he'll jump up there and he will just pop right in my lap and go to sleep. And just the cute as I can just rub him and pet on him. But then Alfie, Alfred Pudensworth, has started to get jealous, so he'll jump up and he'll slide right next to me, right next to my leg. And then when Buddy wakes up and decides to start walking up my chest

where I have to put my arms under him and cradle him like a baby so he can put his head on my shoulder's sleep, then that's when Alfie gets right under there and gets in my lap where he was, buddy was originally. And then I'm stacked up with puppies and all of my limbs go numb and my blood circulation stops. but it's fun. It's a fun way to

fucking lose the feeling in your entire lower extremities. But if it wasn't for that, Brian, I'd be a little ticked off. You know why? You know why. I'll tell you why. Nothing works anymore. Not a goddamn thing works anymore.

I don't care what you pay for it, where you get it, who makes it. Nothing works. And I believe I mentioned over the past couple weeks, at least one, the first thing it had was like three weeks ago, the brand new 85-inch big screen TV in the back room that we got remodeled a couple years ago. We got it in 2023 when the room was finished. Went dead, dead, dead, dead. Graveyard dead. Polly is fucking dead. Wouldn't fucking get a pitch. Black screen just,

not a chirp, not nothing. So we ordered a new one. We had to take that son of a bitch off the goddamn wall. And get the new one up on the goddamn wall. And then, while this was going on, and you remember this, I told you this, I don't even know whether I mentioned it on the air. But a couple weeks ago, during the last big heat wave we had,

my air conditioner, two of the four air conditioning units that I have powering the castle, went out, boom, graveyard dead. They would blow, but they would not cool. And had the people come over. So the people come over to fix the air conditioner, and I had to have over the course of four days, three different crews come over,

because they'd come over, say, well, it's a capacitor. It's been running so bad because of the hot weather, fix the capacitor, runs perfect. Next day, same goddamn thing. And finally they sent me out a repairman instead of an installer. And he saw, oh, what it is is they come with this little, this little kit they put on there now from the factory standard. But these are three or four years old,

so they've got to have this little kit put on it, it prevents it from doing this. That's what's happening. And he fixed that. But it was days of chaos. Then the TV and the TV and the TV. The bedroom went out. That's only six or seven years old.

My mother had the same goddamn floor model console color television from 1966 until the early 1990s. And they used to cost about $400 for a 21-inch color TV screen. Now they're $400 for a 75-inch screen, but they last for three years. So then we got to. another TV for the bedroom, which we got a goddamn, still, I've got it up there, but Stacey has to, because you can't just plug the goddamn TV in anymore, Brian. You have to program it and set it up because it does all these things that I've never once needed a TV to do. All I want, a goddamn picture and a sound. I'll take it from there. And so goddamn, however

this fits in, we just took a break because Brian last was telling me that my, God damn internet was modulating while I was talking about all the other technology that doesn't work. So my TVs broke down and in my air conditioning broke down. And then on Friday, the DVR, the cable box. Suddenly I'm trying to watch TV and it's black. I got the on-screen cable guide. Can't get any channel, sound picture, whatever. Like, what the fuck?

I go, well, they do this for everything else. I unplug it and plug it back in, and then it comes back on. But it had recorded black for all the DVR stuff that I hadn't been paying attention to, which is why I told you, I had to watch the fucking clips from SmackDown online. So then I got that fixed.

And then Sunday, I pick up my phone and make a phone call. I got no dial tone. the phone is graveyard dead i'm talking about a real telephone here plugged into the wall the way alexander grambell intended and not these goddamn cell phones so then i have to call aty and t and i've yet to speak to a human being at that fine american establishment one of the cornerstones of our economy american telephone and telegraph for god's sake they can't talk to the little peons the customers but their automated bot

was very helpful very polite have you ever talked to an automated bot one of the female ones briefly usually it ends with me screaming operator operator live person it's infuriating well I've found that if you scream

a string of profanities at them usually you'll get a human being you motherfucker give me a fucking you, but fucking big. But this didn't work, but it assured me, oh, yeah, we see, that you have a problem on your line. We will send out a technician.

And then I had to listen to the thing where it said to someone over 18 must be there to receive said technician. And it took me three calls on the automated line, because the automated line, I couldn't figure out how to answer it in such a way that it couldn't figure out I'm calling from my cell phone, which I never use, but it actually is a telephone that makes calls. So the automated bot couldn't understand that I was calling to report to my phone was dead,

but not the phone I was calling from. Well, we're going to send a message to your phone, and then my phone starts vibrating. I'm not, this phone, motherfucker. So it tells me I've got an appointment and a technician is coming. and I got a message on it at five minutes to nine this morning that said, the technician is on his way, see you soon. And as we sit here right now, it's 2.13 in the afternoon, and I ain't seen said technician.

And while I'm trying to tell you about my goddamn telephone not working, you're telling me the goddamn inner zooms ain't working, and I'm modulating. I'm, how about if I just write down my thoughts and copy them and you can cut and paste it on the internet for everybody? I guess this would be our chance to finally utilize AI Jim Cornett. If it's your writings and it's your voice, just not you. Well, if you can do that, then why have I been sitting here for the past however long this has

been around? Well, you're very pleasant to be around. Well, I guess you got me there. I am quite a fun-loving fellow. fellow. But so nothing goddamn works. And I hate to call people on my cell phone because when I used to travel and I would call someone while I was on route to the particular location of the show or whatever. And I would say, now remember this my cell phone. I only use it when I'm away from home. So if you need to ever call me, call a house first. And of course, then two years later, I'd see

I called you a bunch of times. What did you go? Well, I called five, blah, blah, blah. That's my cell phone. Don't call that. People start calling this. I go three and four months without ever turning it on. So I don't know.

Well, actually, now that I think about, never mind, everybody, you got my cell phone number, call my cell phone. Because that'll give me a lot more free time. But it's very confusing. Maybe your house was hit by lightning again. We haven't had a fucking story. yet since all this has been fun. Sunday was clear

as a bell. It was hotter than all get out, as Aunt Lola used to say. Hotter and all you've got me so frazzled I can't form a cogent simile. There was no problem with the weather I used the phone at noon. It was fine.

I try to use the phone at 5 o'clock. It don't work. Nothing had changed except the lack of dial tone. Well, of course. whether it's rain, sleet, or technological breakdowns. Cornett's collectibles is always open. Now, there's something that works. We never sleep, as they used to say back in the old private eye business.

We never sleep. And that's because we're always up late signing and sending and shipping and signing and shipping and shipping and sending all these items at Jim Cornett. dot com, the action figures, the autographed photos that are the most inexpensive in the industry. I want my signature and my smiling face to be available to the masses to all the biggest amount of people possible. We make it affordable for the common man to have a picture right up on the wall right next to, I don't know, Jesus Christ or Mahatma Gandhi or whoever you're looking up to. There's a picture of good old J.C. Jim K.

coronet, autographed, and the Hotchkiss, the Hotchkis, Hotchkis Featherbottom and the entire Featherbottom family, take pride in this. And besides, with all of their various legal issues, this is the only job they can get. So if they don't ship shit out, they don't eat. Well, you know, with that variety and number of offenses that close together, you try getting gainful employment anywhere else besides,

an ex-wrestling manager. Anyway, yes, at Jimcornet.com, and boy, howdy, we're getting closer and closer to being able to announce by the first of the month, we're going to announce this huge, wonderful thing or things, multiple things, actually.

It depends on how you look at it that we're going to have on sale for the holidays. I'm so proud. I'm like a proud pappy. I'm a poop deck pappy. That's very proud. That's right. So anyway, what's on our poop deck for the show today, Pappy?

A lot of goons to fight through to get Pappy back home. Jim, there's a lot of things happening in wrestling. We have a lot to get through today. We'll see if we... Boy, I wish you'd have told me that because I was looking earlier. I couldn't find any. Well, not everything happens on TV. I couldn't find any on Raw.

I couldn't find very many on Smackdown. A lot of this takes place behind the scenes is what you're saying to me. Well, Jim, we'll start with something that I think was sent to us. more than anything else over the last week. Oh, Christ. Rick Flair. Oh, great. Has hit social media once again,

where he's had such success. And in this case, social media hits back. Well, it's been hitting back for a little while. Remember, a few months ago, he went to war with his son David on social media and then walked that back. He accused Jim Ross of looking for attention when he announced he was fighting cancer.

And then he walked. And then he walked that back. And now, Ricka, I'll be walking out my tweets back. And now what we're about to talk about, again, I'll just say it here. I mean, it's pretty obvious, but he's putting it out there. It's not like anyone chasing this story. Yes. Yes.

That's part of my, and on the last, what was the last one where, and we had, I, I had been kind as possible to him over the last. last Twitter controversy when just saying it's just, it's disappointing and it's unlike the way that he conducted himself as a NWA champion, et cetera, et cetera. And he said in the middle of tweeting about something else, he also tweeted, man, Jim Cordette, you have my phone number. We've known each other for many years. If, you know, if you have anything to say, it's not like I was criticizing what he did, but I wasn't dig it in. on him, but I will say

today what I would say to him on the phone and what I wish maybe Charlotte would say or has somebody already said. But he didn't heed that, but go ahead. Well, Rick Flair put out a tweet, a picture of him and Wendy. I think they were married. If they weren't married, they were certainly together.

They had a companionship for many years. To bring people up to date, Wendy Barlow, she was Fifi, the maid when they did the segments in the 90s on the WCW program, and they met and they were not immediately an item, but after years they reconnected and they were together for years. She was with him when he had that bad health issue. I mean, a lot of people are going to say now which one, but you know what I'm saying. and there was some controversy over they were saying they were married for a while, but then when they broke up, well, we weren't really married. I don't understand.

Maybe he was the first guy in history. It would be fitting that Rick Flair is the first guy to ever find a loophole in a marriage certificate. But then they went their separate ways here a while back. So that's windy. I mean, we're not saying anything. derogatory about this young lady, just trying to bring people up on who she is in their relationship. Fee-Fee the Maid, 1993 WCW, when Rick Flair had his talk show, a flare for the gold.

And then, of course, like you said, she is one of the people that we had heard really stuck by him and helped him get back to whatever you want to say, positive health after his biggest medical issue. And they was tweeting out family pictures. I guess she has daughters. And it was a period of time where perhaps he was not making as many headlines in a derogatory fashion, you know, as he is now. I believe she may have also had a part to play in his social media back then

or had the ability to say you're not doing this anymore. From what I understand it, I'm not exaggerating. That's what I understand. where Rick Flair this past weekend tweeted out a photo of him and Wendy and I'll read you what he wrote I told you it was only a matter of time

until you came running back at least I know I am in good hands because you have always taken the best care of me out of anyone in the whole world she finally figured out there's only one Rick Flair

and one James Bond and currently Rick Flair is available for any kind of action What in the world Let's see if Wendy still has it LFG He didn't even end it with Woo

He ended it with Let's Fucking Go But there's a lot there to break down Wait, I'm afraid, this is more like something that one James Bond and one Rick Flair. He sounds like George Lassenby. See, I thought that would pop you. Yeah, well, but, you know, that'd be funny if he said this. He's only one Chase Bond and it's George Lassonby. Yeah, I mean, there's been multiple games.

I don't know. Is this, has he become a Super Bowl of bipolarness in the same? tweet. He's expressing praise or love or affection and I told you so. Yeah. I had to come back. He goes from one to the other. He's in

gimmick, but he's not. He don't, he's taunting her, but he's putting her over. And even if some of this is, I can understand we're, you know, couples might have it inside joke or what I told you he'd come running back or whatever.

The whole, the totality of Rick's tweets and things that he puts up on social media give people so much room to make fun of him. It is feeding on itself and it's snowballing. And I don't understand why he doesn't see that. because the comments of the people that are following him or people that are responding to these tweets are not, hey, champ, I mean, there's some, yes, but a lot of it is, what the fuck is the matter with you?

Now imagine poor Wendy, who gets off the phone after agreeing to meet up with Rick Flair, oh, sure, I'll come see you. There was only a matter of time. That's what I don't understand. Let's see if you still. have it. And then, unfortunately, you know, Rick may not still have it.

It may have been replaced. He might have a new one of whatever it is at this point in time. But here's the problem. This is only the first tweet. This is not the inevitable boomerang. Boing. The hangover. The boomerang tweet where he clarifies.

That's what it is. He clarifies the misconstitutional. based on every single word that he said. But when people misconstrue that, they think that it means exactly what he said it means, then he clarifies it, and it means nothing like that. And then they make fun of him again.

Because he's the one who's putting this out there. Because he's, yes, he's, he's going out there and punching himself in the fucking face on Broadway. He doesn't have to do this. I think last time, I forget what the fight was, but it was, he went off with someone, either WWE or someone in his family, someone. And then the next day it was like, why can't people be more positive on social media? Yes.

Well, when we read, before we go to, but read the second one, because again, I just, when I saw it, the first one, I, I just cringed up because I said, well, how is this supposed to be positive? I sound like Sheikaz is supposed to positive or is supposed to be negative. Well, I got the second tweet here, and this is not easy to read because he capitalizes,

or whoever does his social media, capitalizes the first letter of every single word, and this is a long one, so let me get to it. Well, that's another thing. That's another thing before we get into the second tweet. People are mocking him for that. I mean, Schittler randomly capitalizes, things out of nowhere. Not the whole thing though. But not, no, this is every word. And if a word is a one

letter word like A, it's capitalized. And but the first, and I, I don't text, but I've been told that you may have to do that on purpose, don't you? I mean, it's not, yeah, you have to choose that, yes. People are making fun of him for it, because it looks, somewhat odd, demented even. But go ahead. Well, here is the day after tweet. Once again, another picture of him and Fifi. Wendy and I are not renewing a relationship. We already... That's awful.

She read. I felt like I was good. The second line was going to be, she read yesterday's tweet. But this is, it's like when they hired Rousseau to come back to write for that 24 hours in 2001 or whatever. All right, well, back to this. Wendy and I are not renewing a relationship. We are renewing a 34-year friendship. She has her own residence, and I have mine. She's coming to Tampa primarily to take care of her parents,

who are both in their 80s and not in good health. That was an integral part of what we needed. That was an integral part of what we needed to know in this situation that you have alerted us to. Wendy will continue to do what she does best. Travel the world and help people who are struggling in other countries. What?

What does she do? I, she helps people. If she's got two 80-something-year-old parents and Rick Flair to take care of, I don't think she needs to leave the county to help people in trouble. But is there, is she with UNICEF or what? We might Google that later on and see if she's traveling all around the world to help the little baby's, and the...

I'll resume that was a murder in the Orient Express, that woman. I'll resume what I, do and love most, which is attending public events and signing autographs at meet and greets. Please don't turn something positive into something negative. If that's all you have to do, find something better to do. The one part I am sure of, which she reminds me whenever we speak, is that she will always be there for me if I get sick again. And I was sick for two years. Her whole family took care of me.

Find someone else to hate on. Wendy and I are good. Wait, wait, what? We didn't, I had sympathy for the poor woman when you announced that she had come running back to you, groveling and sniveling about. Yeah. I, we wouldn't know anything about any of this

if he hadn't announced it. And I don't, and if he doesn't want people to misconstrue his meaning, Brian, you is a level-headed fellow, a grown adult man, a graduate of a major university. The first tweet sounded like,

okay, we're back on, baby. Me and, me and Wendy, she's come running back to me. She knew she couldn't live without me. We're going to, Forticate like rabbits day and night, that type of fucking tone.

But at the same time, belittling her for having to snivel back on her belly like a reptile. And the next day, and when people express, you know, like, why are you talking about her like that? Because read the comments and the thing. The next day he says, what are you hating on Wendy for? He was just slandering Wendy. but we're not getting back together, but we're renewing a friendship. Well, you know, I don't know if we need to know

every time somebody renews an old friendship. Brian, have you ever seen like anybody you went to summer camp with or, you know, people that may have passed your presence when you were a younger man? You know, hey, let's tell the world that I saw Billy from fourth grade. again, this all started the first lines. I told you, it was only a matter of time until you came running back. Two exclamation points.

Two. Two. Two. Ponderous. So I, what I'm saying to Rick, but I don't think it's revolutionary advice or anything that couldn't be set out in the open is just don't make premature statements or statements that can be misconstrued because people have been with the constant barrage of bad publicity that he got there for a while of late there's the only thing that people are making fun of him about or getting on his case about is when he himself makes a public statement

of whether written or sometimes every once a while on video. But he's keeping it alive, but I don't think that's keeping his legacy alive or the great memories alive. I think it's keeping alive the fact that now people like to make fun of him and shit on him and rat on him and whatever, rag on him. Rat on it. They used to rat on him.

Now they rag on him. And he's doing it and stop capitalizing. and and recognize that yes, you are a famous, you're an Errol Flynn level, famous, you know, fucking ladies man, but maybe back up on the fucking pictures of yourself with the, you know, the 20-year-old women at the bar, because everybody knows you still can, but it gives more people an opportunity to make fun of you for doing it even though you can.

because, you know, as I've said before, just because you can cut your own ear off, don't make you Van Gogh. Sometimes people can do things, but they shouldn't. The kamikaze wasn't just a drink. There was a choice for social media. Woo! Let's see if Wendy still has it.

Can you imagine she's reading this? The first tweet, was a frat boy bragging to his frat brothers about his ex-girlfriend who he heard from. The second tweet was the frat boy reacting after his mom called and said, we've got a problem because I heard from this girl and her parents. The next tweet's going to be, I shouldn't have said her parents are sick, but they're about to go. And they'll be just me.

Let's see if she still has it. And then the tweet at that'll be. I didn't mean anything by that. I just meant to see if she wants to go to dinner. We've got, where parents got a second opinion. They're fine. Well, we will,

we will stay. We will stay on top of this story, this self-induced story, but, uh, yeah, it's a story. You say that there's nothing happening in wrestling. There's nothing but great things happening in wrestling. Jim.

Yes. Maybe the problem, and no one's really thinking about it is this isn't Rick Flair at all. Maybe there's been a security breach. Maybe Rick Flair doesn't have the proper apparatus to protect his online persona. Maybe this isn't Rick Flair at all. Maybe it's bizarre a Rick Flair. Maybe Rick Flair needs to protect himself online the same way the listeners can. Maybe it's Rick Flair, but it's a hologram or a, uh, or a, uh, telegram or some kind of gram, possibly a candy gram, and it's emanating from some kind of hut in the Bahamas somewhere. You know, you never know how these people go to these links. You see it on the news. They have documentaries about it where these thieves have reached genius level in being able to steal your identity, steal your money, steal, they don't even have to be there. They don't have

to be able to be able to see your house. They don't have to be able to know where your bank is physically, they just get online on this technology that's so wonderful. And cyber crime, you know, they call it cyber when it's on the, you know, like the Avengers when they fought the cybernots. Cybercrime costs Americans $20.8 billion. That is $20 billion, ladies and gentlemen, of your money that people get, they steal your name, they seal your social security number, they steal the bank details, they open accounts, they take money out, they put money in. The average victim, $20,000. And the senior citizens,

the most vulnerable people, the old people, the old sick parents of Fifi, they're probably going to be broke next week because Rick Flair's called attention to them. Boom, somebody's going to steal her identity. And then you're going to be. just fucked. But Cover-on can put the cover on that. Brian, it's like a lid on a boiling pot. Because as Michael Hayes used to say, and the peas wouldn't be jumping if the water wasn't hot. You put to cover on that boiling pot, the cover on, boom, you cut all that shenanigans out. Because cover-on is all in one cyber insurance, identity theft protection for you and your family. They monitor the dark web exposure.

I wonder if my name is on a dark web somewhere. The credit activity, the criminal records, government ID use, they just monitor everybody. See, you don't want criminals that are tied up into keeping track of everybody and having everybody's information. You want these here criminals to be on your side to commit crimes. on the criminals. First of all, no one will be committing crime, let alone the people that were talking about. Oh, they're going to stop it. The people that cover on, they're going to stalk these criminals. They're going to track them down to thieves. They're going to be like the Charles Bronson. They're going to be the Charles Bronson of the cyber crime industry. They're going to track these some bitches down and they're going to alert you. Whenever suspicious activity or data breaches involving your information are detected, They're going to come, they're going to put this giant fire department bell in your house.

And the bell's going to go out of it. You know right there and burn all your fucking documents and throw all the money away. You got to get out of town. No, that's the bad guys. See, you'll know when the bad guys are burning all their stuff and getting out of town because cover on is after them. Because they've got expert recovery specialists who guide you through the process of restoring your identity after a theft. You know, they've even got a special.

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You know, they can give you coverage for identity theft recovery, cyber extortion, online fraud, even home title insurance with coverage limits up to $2 million. Well, hell, and it's so cheap, go ahead and cover your neighbor's house on either side. And that way, you know, if something happens, you could collect on theirs too. They'd never know. But that's the point, because they don't have cover on. If they had cover on, they'd know you were trying to fuck them around.

See, it all goes back to that. But boy, I'll tell you what, unless you're somebody like Vince Rousseau that, that nobody would want to steal his identity in the first place, then you need something like this. Because who knows if you stop being you, well, then you'll lose all the things that make you. And as we mentioned earlier, Brian, the last time we talked about this,

it's not been made law yet that if somebody steals your identity, you at least get theirs. That's not legal yet. Because normally you just, well, give me yours. And let's see, I'm fucking miserable anyway. Once again, and we're going to begin going home and telling you about this great deal, but not all of this is the way things work. And sometimes some of these examples may be metaphorical and digital and not necessarily. Not necessarily empirical and practical.

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from several people, so I wasn't going to address this today, but I'll get your thoughts. Oh, boy. Jain the Rock Johnson did an interview with Rolling Stone, apparently, and here's the quote about him exploring a music career. I'm exploring that now. And I appreciate you asking that. As you roll along in life, I've been real fortunate to be a part of some really cool projects and love it. But music has always been such an anchor for me, and very specifically in genres that I love,

like country music, traditional country music. Oh, boy. And we're exploring that now. Oh, boy. Well, Jim, what are your thoughts on Dwayne Johnson realizing he's never getting an Oscar, now he's going for a Grammy. Well, first of all, as Bobby Eaton would say,

who's we? You got a frog in your pocket? We are exploring that now. Possibly one member of that group of we has a set of vocal cords that lends itself to the musical industry. Is he going to harmonize with invisible backup singers? Or, I mean, if he could sing at a commercial level

that would be traditional country music any anything any goddamn say sing for his supper anything if he could sing good enough at a commercial level to sell records

or to do it seriously as to release something that would be anything other than just why are you fucking doing this he'd been in Hollywood for 25 years wouldn't he have done it by now. First of all. And secondly,

I'm trying to determine what the crossover audience is between traditional country music and the rock. I mean, what is the average age of a fan of Tammy Wynette

dead? So what is he calling traditional country music? The Patsy songbook by Juan Johnson. Yeah, I think he's crazy. I think he's stuck.

Because he's in a weird position where he is one of the more recognizable faces worldwide. On the planet. And people don't want to pay to see him. And his movies have lost. I don't, what is it? Like, the thing was like seven years, eight years since any of his movies

have made money? So now you're... Well, I mean, it's, and I know some people, who, you know, are going to go, oh, that's Brian trying to knock the rock again. But no, they're writing articles about that very thing in the trade publications now that the Rock's movies are not making money.

And the Rock makes money, but the Rock's movies don't make money. That's right. I called this out a few years ago. This was all going to come to light, and it has, on top of his involvement slash non-involvement at times with WWE and TKO. Well, but to the point you were, make it is he stuck because okay the movies aren't making a lot of money so the producers have obviously started balking at paying the high price for him with lack of results the

wwee paid him tens of millions of dollars in stock and cash to come in and fuck up the creative in front of russimedia two years in a row but he hadn't been around in a while I don't you know if I was him is it because they don't want to pay to see him because they can't fucking get away from him he's everywhere he's telling us everything he does

and he's commenting on world issues and you know he talks about acting like he's James fucking Lipton is it that everybody just needs to get away from the rock for a little while not that they need to hear him singing to them You know, I always called them the male J-Lo, and I think that is the best example. Jennifer Lopez is a major star. I don't know anyone that buys any of her records.

I don't know anyone that goes to see her in a movie. Maybe her concert tours do better than the other things, but I don't think those are anywhere near where they were a while back, but she's a major star. The Rock, I don't think anything's going to change with the movies. I don't think his obnoxious, tone-deaf interviews affect that. I think when people see it, they laugh about it

because he just seems unnaturally douchy trying to be... You know, I said it last time he talks like he's Peter Bogdanovich. Well, he's a no-it-all fellow, a very learned fellow. I don't know if that affects it as much as no one wants to see these movies. And he was someone who went to Hollywood, lost a ton of weight, tried to get serious roles, got a few that made an impact that people noticed.

Then he did a bunch of kid stuff for Disney. And then when nothing was going anywhere, he got as pumped up as he ever... He got more pumped up than he ever was in his wrestling career. And that changed things. Because all of a sudden, now he was doing action movies. Some of them were established brands, like Fast and Furious.

And also, that should have been what he was doing before he had to fucking pump up the volume again. Because I... I'm sorry, nobody... wanted to see The Rock as a serious actor in Disney movies or whatever they wanted he's a fucking action star

he's Stallone he's Schwarzenegger I'm sorry go ahead but I don't think anyone really wants to see those movies and we've seen the last several years we talked about each one of them before they came out and people told me I was being a hater they were going to make tons of money smashing machine went nowhere quick

Moana is an epic Disney financial loss the live action Moana, which was a bad idea and looks atrociously funny when you see the images of Dwayne Johnson and the fucking wig. The Santa Claus movie or whatever Amazon did a few years ago, that lost a ton of money. No one wanted to see that. I don't know if there's going to be too many projects that people want to say. He's going to be a part of apparently a Martin Scorsese project.

I mean, that's probably the best chance he has because people will still give Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio a chance. well but here as far as the music thing again i don't think it's going to go very far and it's just going to be another thing cluttering the landscape up with the rock's name on it probably he's doing it because he has hundreds of millions of dollars respect my authoritile do what i want and he does like country music so he might just be doing it for himself and it doesn't have to go anywhere. I don't know. But I think what you said,

the J-Lo thing, she'd still draw in concert because she's a star. And people would go to and she is most affiliated with or associated with in people's minds, music, to probably most extent.

If the Rock told the WWE, hey, book me 30 dates next year, he'd fucking set record gates in 28 and a half of them. The people would still come to see him wrestle, but the problem is you can sing a whole lot easier when you're older than you can wrestle. And so I, do you think the rock's going to have a Vegas residency at some point where he just does like a one-man rock show where he does like,

you know, a little bit about wrestling and some music, talks about his movies, because that may be the best avenue for that's where J-Lo is now. She's in Vegas. She's in Vegas. I swear to go, I say again, why does he need a fucking avenue? Why couldn't he just come up against a brick wall and say, okay, I'm 50, how old is he? 50, whatever the fuck years old. And I've got all the money that a human being could ever spend. I'm going to buy me an island or just a county somewhere. If he doesn't want to, you know, go beachfront, he can go inland.

Here, I'll just buy fucking Wartburg County. And I'll put my house in the middle and I'll do what I want forever. Why the fuck does everybody have a goddamn avenue? I think the stuff with DC and Black Adam expose the real thing, which is he wants to be a mogul. When you see him do these interviews, he's talking the way he thinks the mogul's talk. He's talking the way he thinks you're supposed to talk. I just don't think he has anything behind the fact.

Like, the only thing to have is the brand of the rock. Just him being the rock and filming himself. talking to people and interacting with people. As the rock. But boy, I hope he saved all that money he made. I'm sure he has, but. How would you not, how would you, again, just, who was it you say I'd like to be at their place on Christmas morning

just after the fucking presents had been open to clean up scraps under the tree? How would you not just have enough money for the rest of your life, just laying around it you've misplaced? I'm sure he does. Once you've gotten that position. I'm sure he does. And, of course, he's so well with his social media campaigns for In-N-Out Burger and giving away trucks. But we'll see what happens.

I hope he makes this album. I hope there's a making-up video more than anything in the world. So we'll laugh about that, but we'll stay on top of the Rock's music news, not in rock. Traditional country. Jim, as we move on here, let me play some audio. This was posted to the Culta Cornet Facebook group by Christine. the annunzio. Forgive me if I missed this being covered before,

but I ran across this video and I'm curious to hear Jim's thoughts on Sable's response to China. Was she just that delusional or did she really believe she could take her? I'd like to think this is a work, but Sable isn't that good an actress, and I have video here. Well, now hold on one second. This is Sable's response to China.

what is the bone of contention here? What did China say? Or will it be obvious when we hear this? Does Sable actually communicate well enough to go, she said so-and-so? I think it'll be obvious. This is a video. I'm not sure what show this is,

but it's an interviewer talking to Sable, China, and Deborah. And let's get this audio. This is from 1999. Oh, boy. Sable will wrestle China for the women's title. I can answer that. All right,

you're up. I have absolutely no interest in the women's belt. First of all, it would take me two seconds to get it. Let me just be the first to say that you and I have never fought to you are totally not sure of yourself

about that. Oh, good Lord. Let me stop it there because what a comeback. I was about to say stop it there. What a comeback. That tortured syntax, that was around your elbow to get to your wrist.

First of all, let me explain it. Sable was not smart to the business. I mean, she was smart that the business was a work, but she was in no way smart to the psychology of the business or who should say what or do what. And China, I will give it to her there. That's a perfect fucking heel line. And look at China, she's bigger than everybody else,

and that's her gimmick than she was saying that she didn't care about the women's title that, you know, because she wanted to wrestle for the men's titles. That was the angle that they were doing with her. So that's something that she should have said and Sable could come back and say, well, hey, I might not, if she's a baby face, I might not be as big as you, as strong as you, or have as big a mouth as you, or just something like that. But she took it personally because she's only been around the fucking wrestling business for however long she's been with Mark Merrow

and never been in it until three months before this fucking happened and she's like thinking, well, these catty fucking women. Go ahead, I'm on a soap bag. Well, again, she had been there a little while. She had been getting her big push and of course China was also getting a big push at the same time. They were

you know, kind of two different things happening. But let's go back to this. China and Sable with Deborah not saying anything. That doesn't think that I could squash Sable and the second. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but I have a lot of confidence in myself and I say you can't. You know I think it takes a lot of uh doesn't take a lot of guts for China to say what she just said but I think it really demean the women's division and she needs

to remember that this is a company and we all work for the same company and just because we don't do exactly the same things you do to get the body you have doesn't mean that you're any better than we are. The issue is whether I can beat you or not, I'm twice your size. I have twice your strength. And why are you twice my size and twice my strength? Because I am. That's why this.

Holy shit. And I could talk. Hold on. Hold on. Hold the phone here. Pump the brakes. If China's holding back because when she first said, well, I don't do what you do to get a body like that.

And China could have looked at her like Lawler looked at Kaufman on the fucking Letterman show and said, well, I don't do what you do to get a body like that either. What kind of guy are you? What kind of guy are you? What kind of girl are you? How many of those parts are real and how many are artificial? But she's trying to fucking make China admit that she's on a sauce on goddamn television. Seconds after she said, we both work for the same company.

Yeah, we both. Let's pull together at the same team. And by the way, you're a fucking drug abuser. What are you saying, Samuel? You know, I work out just as hard as you do, but I do not supplement my body the way you do either. Wow. Good old-fashioned cat fight, and I think we've got one. It depends on whether you call that stuff supplement.

Excuse me. Excuse me. I think you've been a plastic surgeon a lot more than I have, honey. This is built by me. I've got a jam-packed audience here. Well, there it is, the all-natural sable. Oh, yeah. the all natural, save a 100% natural, no synthetic ingredients.

She took it personally and immediately just went as hard in as she could on goddamn anything that she could in the middle of, and again, it's like, what is that four years, five years after Vincent got off for the steroid thing. To that point, this is 1999. After this is over, how do you think Triple H reacts? you got the heat for not doing anything. Yeah, they got mad at me when I told the fucking independent promoter that China couldn't make the date because she was going to the dentist.

I didn't know she was having her jaw fucking realigned. I just thought she was having a goddamn root canal. They said, oh, he told about the fucking dental surgery. How about the fucking goddamn 10 Diana Ball a day, as Hercules Hernandez said in his promo one time in mid-south. Yeah, no, what, there was nuclear heat on that fucking... I mean, Deborah's sitting there. Deborah does not...

You don't hear Deborah. Debra. Oh, no. I bet if she could have had the power of Sue Storm, she could have become invisible and just disappeared right off that fucking couch. The best-looking one of the three was sitting there silent while this is going on. I'm hoping they wouldn't talk to her. You think, if I looked down,

and make myself smaller. I don't think they'll notice me. See, this would have been really good if Tammy was in there, too, and just the three of them. Oh, Christ. Tammy and China going at it would have been the greatest. It would have got physical. If Tammy had been there to fucking light diffuse on that,

they all three would have just started punching each other in the face. Well, there it is. The 1999 interview where China and Sable went at it. A lot of listeners wanted to hear your thoughts. Jim, several. listeners have sent I got a couple clips here let me see which one to play

NXT as a You don't want to play all the clips some of these listeners send boy howdy I didn't know they made those kind of home movies This one apparently is I'm not sure

I guess WWE must have filmed this It's from the SummerSlam tryouts NXT's head writer Johnny Russo Oh good Lord Was teaching wrestlers What not to do

wait wait a minute wait a minute if in wouldn't that be like somebody comes along once to get in the army in Germany and fucking 1972 and his last name is Hitler wouldn't you change your name? Well again I'm assuming no relation. I'm seriously wouldn't

if you wanted to be a writer in wrestling wouldn't you you don't have to legally do it just come up with a gimmick name that you call yourself Michael Hayes that's not his real fucking name but wouldn't you would you just take that shame upon yourself willingly?

Go ahead. Well, we have audio here that I'm assuming WWE film from the tryouts of Johnny Russo, NXT head writer, teaching young wrestlers or young trainees. Now, wait a minute, he's one of the fucking coaches or the teachers in this? In this video, he's not in the ring or anything,

but he's teaching them about promos. And there's a bunch of wrestlers or wrestling students sitting in the bleachers or sitting in the seats while he talks to all of them. Let's go to this. Don't talk in phrases. Talking complete senses. So when I talk like this, I don't sound like a real person. Just talk normally. Don't ask questions. No one's answering. Hey, you got you want to know something? No one says anything and you continue. Don't ask questions. Just say what you guys say. What? Don't be generic. Her a lot of

generic stuff. I want to be the best I can be. This is my dream. Hold on here a second. I'm, I'm, I'm, hold on.

Just pause it for a second. I don't want to lose all these points. Number one, yeah, it might be a thing that you do to talk in complete sentences. How about brush your teeth every morning while you're at it? Hey,

eat once or twice a day. Who has to be told to speak in complete fucking sentences? It's only if you've memorized. I memorize shit that you fucking, oh my God, they give me two pages of this fucking direct that I'm scared not to say word for word. That's when you start pausing every three or four words or so. His second point was don't ask questions.

So what do you want to talk about? Well, yeah, ha, ha, ha, I didn't think about that. God damn it. he's talking about don't ask questions like you want me to tell you something or whatever but no especially if a heel gets on a roll he's going to ask a bunch of questions he's going to especially if he's got an announcer to work off of he's going to ask a bunch of questions he's going to ask questions that the announcers can say yes to if it's beneficial to him did i indeed win that match did the referee raise my hand well yes okay or just to ask questions to answer them on his own or different ways that you could so you can't make a blanket statement about that. And what was this third thing, which started getting me thinking, I think, but we can go back and play it if you're saying. Yeah, well, again, I want to be the best I can be. That's what everybody says and they're writing the shit. I want to be the best I can be or I want you to be the best

I want you when I get you to be the best I can be or it's been my dream to be here or I've my the world will cease to exist for me without this and I will take up the monastery they're writing it

so then don't fucking write them to say that. All right. Yeah, that would be one of the first things I banned is the whole like, I'm so happy to be here, it's my dream, don't talk about any of that kind of stuff.

Wouldn't it? A heel needs to cut, Logan Paul. By the way, who, again, is a natural prick, and those have been valuable for years in this industry. Who's it? You're lucky to have me. I'm a goddamn international yacht broker from Toulin, France, baby.

I have money follows me everywhere I go, and you're lucky to have me. You finally got graced by a real superstar instead of, oh, it's always been my dream to come here. Yes, I'll clean the toilets and just give me gruel. Just say what you guys say. Don't be generic. Her a lot of generics stuff. I want to be the best I can be.

This is my dream. I work hard. How is that unique to you? Everyone's journey is different. No one person is the same. Even the tag team. You guys have a different. Sorry, journey.

How does that make me different? How do you stand out from that? Any questions? How would you say that you effectively moved during the problem? In case you couldn't hear that, the question was, how would you say you effectively move during a promo? As long as it doesn't take away. If you're like, I'm Ryan. I'm here.

But if you're just going and walking and it doesn't take away from the promo, it's not distracting. Same thing with your hands. If I'm doing this talking, you're like, what are you doing this hand? But if you do like, if I'm just talking and emphasizing, that's fine. Great first day. Here we go. Well, that was... Ha, ha, ha, ha, fuck.

I thought everybody... And the students bought for them. That was some revolutionary advice that was given there, Brian. And don't wave your hands over your head and scream like a chicken when you're doing your promos. This is...

This is a goddamn... It used to just be you could watch promos and understand. what to do and what not to do if you were smart. Well, but also, let me be fair. No, and I was nervous. I didn't have the flexibility of a goddamn Olga Corbett when I was out there on promos at first because I was scared.

When I was first starting, oh, shit, I don't know to fuck this up. But as is live TV, I did my first fucking television interviews on a live broadcast or reached the same number of people as watch collision. in this country now. So you're a little tighter and you're not, your movement, your shoulders are a little tighter in your neck and your arms may not flap about as normally as they might if you were really into something.

And that comes with experience. But basically, that's what, in the territory days, if you were a young guy, a wrestler, manager, doing anything, of the referees, anybody that went out and did anything that could be made fucking fun of by the guys on top or the veterans or the just people who were actually smart to the business,

they would make merciless fun out of you for doing whatever the fuck it was you were doing. Until you learned not to do those things that made you look stupid or didn't work or whatever the fuck. And, you know, after a week or two around the horn, you'd lose most of the thing. of your bad habits. But now I don't know if anybody is

allowed in this system to just fucking blister and make fun of people and shame them into goddamn not doing stupid shit anymore. Or if they just think that this is expert advice from the corporate office, yeah, don't

fucking wave your hands in the air and speak in complete sentences like a normal human being would. And try not to just say the same shit everybody else says. We say that every goddamn show. Yeah, we say that because that's exactly what kind of promos we get. I mean, that's not the students.

That's what they're doing. And he's the one of the ones that's writing it. So what the fuck is going on here anyway? And who is this man, Johnny Russo, the head writer of NXT? I suspect, I'm telling you, it's, you know, possibly he's, even if he's related by marriage or something. They're trying to infiltrate again. I mean, that's like a doctor, you know,

giving advice to a group of medical students and saying, okay, yeah, stay off heroin and drink eight ounces of water a day. If this guy has no wrestling experience, I don't even know what kind of fandom to that point, and he's the head writer for NXT, you do have to wonder if he's ever seen a good promo. or if he has any understanding of it.

He's just giving generic advice that you would think anyone could give a wrestling promo class. And meanwhile, you see the end results and almost everything he's saying don't do is exactly what they do. Well, yeah, but they have the biggest archive and history of archives of wrestling through the centuries. So one would think he's seen something just by osmosis. And possibly he's just, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm, committed to having to say something to these fucking people, so I'm going to give some basic advice for three minutes, so I've done my duty, and I bid you a good day. Well, that is the NXT promo news, and with that, we will bid everyone a good day

for a moment. We will be right back after these messages. All right. See, I keep it quick, you can't make any of your incendiary remarks behind it. Incendiary remarks. Well, flame on. Yeah, you call them incendiary remarks, because every time you play the organ, I just want to burst into flames. All right, well, that's not very nice. But Jim, speaking of bursting into flames, seemingly, that never happens on WWE Smackdown, but this past week, I know we're reviewing it a few days late, but there were several notable things to talk about on this post-Somerslam edition of Smackdown.

Well, and we're getting to it late, just to be honest with everybody, because we always tell the truth to the people, the cult of Cornad. It happened right after we recorded the last show and we didn't want to come back and to record again. We were just we're about to get into that. You see where I'm going with this. Because it wasn't nobody,

no one was harmed in the making of the motion picture. And what we've got now is they've got the best talkers in the company talking to each other. And I want to see the matches that are going to result in all of this

conversation or result from all this conversation. But there was a lot of conversation. What was old song, Bride, a little less conversation, a little more action? All this talk ain't satisfaction in me. Because the problem now is, and we're going to talk about because Cody confronted punk and then punk was confronted by Owens, but then, wait a minute, who confronted who? then Orton was there and was confronted by Cody. A lot of people are confronting people.

And they're all goddamn baby faces. And yes, they are the best promo guys, some of them, most of them, in the company all together in this group here. But they can't, nobody can let loose. And because what I was really looking forward to was Owens and, and punk because both those guys i've never said owens couldn't talk he is very he's a very cunning linguist and both those guys if they wanted to have the talent to just fucking dig into the goddamn other guy and shame them to the point where they would want to fucking hop on a box car and

you know all the way to south georgia or whatever the fuck just get out of town but they can't really because, number one, I don't think they like each other for real, and so they're probably trying to be professional and err on some side of that, but mostly because to do that fully, one of them would have to be a heel that just dug into the, you fat, sloppy motherfucker, you fucking,

your bathtub has stretch marks type of shit. Or, conversely, Owen, just cutting punk down and making mockery of his fucking straight-edge tattoo bullshit, whatever. And they're both having to be themselves. The fans like both of them, they can't just suddenly start, you know, being obscene, kicking people into balls and doing heel shit for no apparent reason. they're having to both be

as they said in the interview we'll be professional, we're not going to fight but they're also not really digging into anybody and Punk and Cody neither one of them is really digging into Cody offered I'm getting ahead of myself but this whole thing

was together Cody was out there and he didn't want to think that punk didn't that Orton, or how am I saying this? Cody didn't want to think, don't laugh at me. It's not easy to explain. It's not easy to explain. Cody didn't want to think that Punk knew that Orton was going to come out in his

match with and do what he did, right? Because in the match, punk never saw Orton. But Cody, you know, I don't want to think he knew that he was coming out. But, you know, Pug comes out, goes straight to the ring, big response. Again, you know, the way that Cody has just been, and he seems a little annoying at this point, Pug says, you got something, you want to ask me, did you know about Randy Orton? And the fans were chatting, yes, yes, they wanted him to have known. And I'm like, what the, this is what happened?

happens when you put baby faces against each other, people start picking the fucking side. And so punk said, well, it kind of hurts you have to ask that, but no, I didn't know. And the fan's booed. It's like, oh, shit, you weren't in on it. I remember, oh, goddamn, he wasn't part of the conspiracy. And punk said, I'm pissed about it too. So let's go find Randy Orden will beat his ass together. And they didn't like that really either. We get together to jump the heel. Yeah, to jump the fucking guy two on one him. But Orton's not a heel because goddamn the people like Orden better than they're like Cody.

So this, I'm saying, so Cody said, I'm going to find Orton tonight and I'm going to kick his ass myself. So he was going to find Randini's going to kick his ass. That's pretty well stated. And then Cody leaves and Punk said, well, you know that unfinished business between you and me just say when. Playing on their previous, you know, when the shoe was on the other fucking clot hopper. But then as Cody's on his way back here,

here comes Kevin Owens. And they have the tense passing of the ships in the night. And then Owens and Punk face off in the ring and the nose to nose and the milking. And they even had all this and the stooges come out. But they milked it all. while the people were up to see this, right? Okay, yeah, we're going to hear some shit now. And they finally, they promised all this they'd be professional when they started speaking.

And Owen starts, again, he's a baby face. He's been injured for a year and a half. He said 17 months is a long time not to be able to do what you want to do. And the fans, I think they couldn't agree on the chant. I heard you deserve it. you still got it. But they were, their sentiment was there. And Owens' whole promo is people told me that Phil's changed, but I never bought it.

Because you think that you're better than everybody else. And that makes you the same arrogant sociopath. I'm like, God. So one of the baby faces is called the biggest baby face to company from response in the buildings, an arrogant sociopath. sociopath. By the way, that's a pretty stupid argument. Of all the things you could say, you haven't changed, and here's why, you haven't changed. Again, as Pump points out, he calls himself the best in the world that's his gimmick, it's on his shirts.

Yeah. Why would this all of a sudden now be like the thing? Of all the things they could have run to, I don't know. Well, but hold on here, because also besides that, when, when you think about it, if he wanted to make a case, it feels changed, but I never, bought it. You think you're better than everybody else. You talk behind people's backs. He could have said it in plainer language that might have been a little more believable and just jumping right into arrogant sociopaths, which for about half the audience, they probably think, my God, that was Jack the Ripper, right? So then punk, I thought won this verbal war, and I like Owens' promo shit.

But I thought Punk that won this verbal war because he had a more natural, again, way of delivering this, I'm the best of the world because I back it up. This belt, you know, tells that. You should appreciate the arrogance because I've knocked down doors for guys like you. They called me skinny fat. You think they were waiting for fucking Kevin Owens?

that would i thought i said okay punk's about to turn heel here because that was starting to get into the meat of the matter but see no one goes back to well now i don't just get to win the title i get to humble you and beat your ass for it and again punk is if it wasn't for me you'd be working nine to five and be a weekend warrior on the indies and calling me for wd tv e tickets but i I'm the best in the world and basically look at you. That's pretty much what the fuck punk has to say, and he could go further if he was going to be a heel. But Owens, it was prepared.

Well, you've shown me what not to do. It must be lonely up there on your pedestal. I wrote, there's no heel here to make this interesting. But then finally, Owen's called. punk a miserable piece of shit and they shoved and all the officials came in and nobody fought. But do you see what I'm saying compared to days gone by when the best in the business would just hop into a son of a bitch with both feet? This was not heated as these two guys are capable of, but both of them have to be somewhat

honorable or am I just disappointed in being picky? I don't think you're being too picky. I think it could have been more. I think if it was more it had the chance to really get a whole lot more attention. But it was still pretty good for what it was. Again, I don't know about, you know, it's weird. The guys who

get in the ring and do you know, promos where you kind of get close to to the complete truth and then walk back and bring it back. Since AEW, the ones who do it with punk, it's like they have an issue with punk that they never can spell out or say. Yeah. You just think you're so great. Okay, there's plenty of arrogant fucking people in wrestling.

What the fuck? Yeah, I think almost everybody on the show is talking about how great they are. In terms of the baby faces thing, I mean, this is a weird thing where, I mean, technically Owens is a baby face. think? He just came back from this big injury and won this match to a big pop. He'd be the most sympathetic heel in the history of mankind after coming back a year and a half and fight Owen's fight and all that other shit. He's going to be a baby face. One would think for a while, whether they like it or not. Punk's a clear-cut baby face. Cody's at a point now where

and he showed enough anger a little bit, the fans may start turning him, whether he wants to turn or they want him to turn or not, especially if he's going to be feuding with Randy Orton again. Yeah. I still think the long game is Cody as a heel. Let him finally sell out to the rock or whatever you want to do to make him this like ultimate

Thanos-like figure that Roman's going after and punk's going. Everyone's trying to stop Cody, the golden boy. That would kill him as a heel if he sold out to the rock. Then people would just say, oh, fuck it, I don't care. But I think he should be the golden boy. but he should be his own golden boy. That would be, he would be the hottest heel.

If he just went with it all the way, I am the chosen one, the golden child. It's time you people realize this. Look at how I've polished myself for you people. I wear the suits and I speak eloquently. And my hair is perfect. But again, I think if this had been just a little bit more, some more live shots, something. felt more like it had some impact or something.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, yes. I think people were ready to really react to something like that, especially on social media. But instead it was just another Smackdown. Well, they laid the Smackdown, but nobody really roasted anybody. Would you say, Brian, this wasn't really a roast between two of the most talented verbal artist in the industry. It wasn't a sizzling, you know, scalding burn session. It was just more like a little back and forth

and well, and I know you are, but what am I? That type of thing. But we didn't really, we didn't, we didn't just barbecue anybody, did we? Not at all. And this is barbecue season. So that means somebody's got to get barbecue. Fried or broiled, the cow must die. Something must get barbecued.

Why don't we just... Well, you know, it just depends on your whole context. of things. What if you're a chicken? Then if you're sitting there say, you know, you remember Sam? Yeah, he got barbecued. Somebody got barbecued last week. It was Sam. That's, you know, it just depends on

what part of the animal kingdom you're coming from. But folks, you don't have to be far up the food chain to know. No, let's get away from chicken. Yes, well, let's, you know, that's what the chick-fil-a fucking cows say, eat more chicken. Easy for you to say. But you don't have to cow that's well unless you know the bulls are not happy about it because they get you know they get

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predictifying I've been prognosticating and predictifying something for a while Brian we have talked about even back when I was still over the last couple years that I was still a traveling man when I was making a lot of stops all over the world I would stop at Wendy's

and I talked about the decline of Wendy's and they changed their fries and they changed their meat and they didn't squash it enough and they changed the pickles at one point and they did this and that and the other goddamn thing and apparently they have not only not improved upon that or turned things around but the news has come out now windies they got an article here on the on the inner webs they got another big problem franchisees are closing their locations and heading for the hills. They had a second quarter earnings call, 289 locations of Wendy's closed in the United States during the first half of this year. And there's there's about 5,700 of them, which may be

part of the problem when you've got a mile in between Wendy's, how much business is an individual Wendy's got, you see what I'm saying here. But nevertheless, the new CEO, Bob Wright, that was that was jerry jarrott's bookkeeper's name bob right because it was it was teenie's brother i think a brother-in-law i think teeny's brother-in-law whatever the fuck but anyway he wrote the checks the new CEO bob right uh is playing down the closing of the restaurants if we need to close a few restaurants here and there to make a portfolio a little bit healthier well maybe that's fine. But basically, their same restaurant sales crashed 7% in the second quarter versus 2.3% drop a year earlier. Adjusted operating profits tanked 13.2% year over year.

Wendy's stock has fallen 65% in the past five years. And basically, the bottom line is Wendy's, it says, remains a disaster. Don't expect any turnaround in the business until early 2027 at the earliest. I don't know. If Dave Thomas was alive today, he'd be spinning in his grave. It's the quality issues, I think, that have built up over time. And I was a big fan of the grilled chicken sandwich. I always say it.

But whenever my kids wanted fast food, I knew, okay, if we get Wendy's, I have an option that ain't so bad, and it's tasty. They got rid of that. They introduced other things, didn't interest me. It felt like the quality of the food went down and was inconsistent. And I don't think I'm unique saying that about Wendy's. Again, my kids are the age where they like fast food every now and then. And Wendy's was always the one we would prefer.

Susanne always preferred it because they had healthier options than McDonald's, for instance. But not anymore. It's just, it's not good anymore. They've really dropped the... The Frosties are good. still, but that's it. It used to be that the closer you got to Columbus,

Ohio, the better the Wendy's got. And I have to think that was because they had some type of quality control people circulating the corporate headquarters. But once you got, you know, down to South Georgia, they were fucking iffy.

Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. I forgot there's more of Raw, wasn't there? Or SmackDown or whatever program. him we were talking about. But Burger King is now number two again. I did see something that said that and it must be in relation to this. Well, that's because you know they got a new king

and it's you. And it's you. Back to you talking about Smackdown, my friend. Back to the old king. Oh, the Smackdown. Well, because we got it now, we got Cody has to confront Orton. And Orton came out and got a big response and

started to speak and admitted a word and a half and Cody's music played and here he came and Cody slid in and Orton bailed out like a heel right and Cody's mad in the ring and he's cutting a promo get in here and said him and Orton teased like he was going to get in and walked off he's doing the healy shit the people are loving it and Cody you owe me an explanation and this was one of the better promos of Randolph

Randy Orton's career. He said, are you crazy? You asked for this. You wanted the best Randy Orton. Well, we were saying, yeah, why would you want the best of these motherfuckers? Right? You want them at their worst. You want them crippled with a fucking leg cramp.

He said, you wanted the best Randy Orton. You gave me permission, you cocky, son of a bitch, to be the most dangerous Randy Orden, blah, blah, blah. He had great fire here. and Randy said in Las Vegas I gave you the best version of me and you beat me but the voices in my head came back and told me to do whatever I had to do and now the worst version of Randy Orton is going to be beating you and bringing home number 15 or not beating you but bringing home number 15 and he said from anybody but not you

Cody because I'm going to make sure that you're never champion again. So now Orton's come in and he's going to be the fucking Viper again and he's going to fucking win the belt. And more importantly, he's going to make sure that Cody never does ever, ever, ever again. But then Cody fired up and you know this again, this would this would be perfect if they were playing into this, but he's meaning it

as he wants to show the people he's going to have more edge. It's kind of like when Lawler and Memphis who business was down, he would say the old king's coming back Monday night, meaning I'm going to fucking act like a heel again and do dirty shit to all these assholes that I'm fighting instead of letting them get over on me because I'm a baby faith.

That was kind of code word. Cody's saying, I don't have to be the good guy anymore. I'm not the champion. I'm not the standard bearer. I don't have to be the good guy. Well, you never have to be a good guy to begin with any more than anybody else ever had to be a good guy. But I think he's trying to insinuate to the people. He's going to get a little, he's had all he can stands and he can't stands no more.

But it might be past time for that. But nevertheless, Cody said, legend killer, you're the last legend in the WWE, so who kills you? Ooh, dramatic cliffhanger or possibly coat hanger. Young Brian, your thoughts on this verbal dissertation, this duet between these fine linguists. I think Randy is the heel, but that doesn't mean they're going to boo him or treat him like the heel. exactly but Cody I you know again the angrier Cody gets about things the more you see it the more you're like yeah this is what he needs to be it's just angry all the fucking time

I mean otherwise it was okay I agree with you Randy Orton it was the most impressed I've ever been with him because he went a little while just talking nonstop and he was into it yeah and it was that was really good and I'm not a big fan typically of his promos I find that he kind of has a formula and it doesn't excite me, but I thought he's doing the best stuff that he's done verbally as he's, well, he's doing less of it. So maybe he has more time to think, but also as he's come back here this time, he's kind of, he's the elder statesman now. Uh, but then, uh, the only other thing on the program that I watched, obviously, I explained the DVR issues and I probably would have watched anything else anyway.

way, but Sammy ran into Kevin Owens, his old friend and bosom buddy. And Sammy is still, he's in that place where people think he's an annoying, whiny, you know, whatever, and he's an instigator, but he still believes he's a baby face, he's the good guy. He's fantastic as that. And, well, exactly, he's just a perfect little weasel. It's kind of, if they gave this to him. anybody else it wouldn't work he's the only one who could make it work is what i'm saying

but anyway he's mad at all this for screwing him around with the adding gunther and owens and blah blah blah and then owens came in and he owens told aldous he wants the title match in in toronto on august 21st what is that a smackdown uh or a what or is that the what event is that let me uh let me find out august 21st is not on it. Wait a minute. That is a 8.15, that would be a

Friday night Smackdown. Oh, so I guess it would be Smackdown. So they're giving it away. In Toronto, his home country. Well, yeah, I said they're giving it away. The gate will only be $5 million. But it's Canadian money.

So you got that. But then Owens and Zane spent time reconnecting. And Sammy's thing, hey, you know, we've been friends and blah, blah, blah, but your return like 100% screwed me. And Owens admitted, yeah, I'd kind of mess you up, didn't it?

But you would have taken the deal, too. And Owens tells Sammy that I'm doing it on my own. So you don't need to help me or watch my back. And Sammy told Kevin, well, don't expect me to stop chasing after the title. So there was nothing explosive here either. But I guess they've got time. But yeah, just a lot of people talking to a lot of people.

Well, that was Smackdown, at least the talking segments, which were the segments with the actual stars in them. Jim, any thoughts at all on Raw? Well, yes, they were at the Norfolk scope. I'm glad to see the scope is still around. That venerable old building. It's the Scope Coliseum, though. I think Michael Cole or whoever referred to it as the Scope Arena,

the historic Scope Arena. But I'm going to tell you what, it's amazing what they can get by was giving you now. and I'm going to talk in more detail about one particular issue that opened and closed the show. But apart from that, we got to Laredo Kid versus Penta. We got Austin Theory versus Tazawa. They seriously booked that. And then a face off with Oba and Braun that emerged out of that match where the

agents and everybody came out to get in between them and the fans were fucking hot and then they left. Stephanie Backer did an in-ring interview talking like a female Andrade and somehow

Becky came out and that's not fair. I don't know what is happening. She's good. She's good. And what does she certainly not teaching English at Southern New Hampshire university. No, but who is?

And, well, anybody else on this program? Because all they do is talk. How could you not know how to talk on a program where all everybody does is talk? She talks just fine. She has an accent. She's from Chile. Yes. Yes. Well, Chile today, hot to Bali in the wrestling

business is what we always say. Becky came out and they talked and then Stephanie left, but Liv, jumped Becky, and Stephanie came back and argued with fucking Becky. And then Dominic, for whatever

fucking reason, apparently I didn't see, I didn't see the finish of Dominic wrestled Dragon Lee, so I didn't watch any of it, but did he do a job? They're saying on the internet, did he put Dragon Lee over, or did I misread this? Oh, I guess, you know what, I actually,

knowing that you were definitely not going to watch it, did not watch that match. Because they're saying that Dominic has heat with the upper echelon. Dragon Lee pin Dominic Mysterio, non-title match. Because Dominic's the Triple-A mega-champion. The Mega-Megger Godzilla champion

got beat by Dragon Lee? Well, Dominic is the mega champion in AAA got beat by Dragon Lee non-title, but then Dragon Lee was attacked by Big Cass. Oh, good Lord. And then Javon Evans tried to make a save, but no luck. He got laid out to. Boy, if they have

sacrificing Giovon Evans on the altar of big Cass, somebody up there is on fucking LSD. That's not as bad as sacrificing Trick Williams on the altar of Baron Corbin. You got me there. Right, it's interesting. They brought all these guys up from

NXT and they're getting over and they're really good and all of a sudden a few of them are put in feuds or doing things with guys from years ago. I don't know. You just don't want it to hold anyone back. Well, I wish they'd have held Rochelle and Roxanne back from having a tag match with Saul, Ruka, and E.O. Sky.

But they didn't. And now they've got Paul still giving Bronbreaker advice, because Bronn is asking Paul, say, do you think Oba's the future of WWE? And Paul says, well, I've got love for you, Bron, and I respect Oba. and oba's done all he said he'd do and so brawn said well again is oba the future or not and paul thinks that brawn is starting to think that oba is the future and that's the problem so he says show show me that oba is not worthy

of my respect oh little one so i don't want to see brawn versus oba this soon because it will, it might not be right. But nevertheless, all that was a mere bag of shells, Brian, next to the big news. They have opened the show and closed the show with Solo and the Uso's, where they had a challenge between Solo and Jay that emitted from the first sentence. And now, hoist keys is heard now and out indefinitely? Is this a shoot?

Oh, I did not hear that. I don't know. How could you not hear that? I didn't, I didn't watch the, they said it. I didn't watch the opening here. I just watched the main event match on mute. Aha.

Well, why don't you Googlefy, poor old hoist to see what they've done to him now? The Mets have been playing really good since they traded all the stars. It's been a lot of fun to watch the team league. The opening promo was solo in the stands and he was doing it. a Jay Uso kind of impression

singing his music and they've done something to hoist, you know, whatever. And he called out the bloodline. And they're the Uso that Yeating music plays and Jay came out with lots

of yeating. But meanwhile, solo's just been a stand-up comic. And the Uso's are with Roman who's a real dick, but everybody's cheering everybody. So, Jay and Solo talked to each other for solos in the stands, Jay's in the ring, they're 100 feet apart,

having a conversation with each other. So naturally the tension is you could cut it with a knife from the hex-clad barbecue collection. And then Jay is telling Solo that, hey, when the tribal chief calls the play, you ought to fall in line. How can he be the baby face? Why?

They've turned to heel and just know, nobody gave a shit. And then solo called bullshit on that, said, did you fall in line or fall off? It was about that point, I fell asleep. And the people started, instead of wudding in the interview they were yeating, they'd eat a guy, whatever he'd come to the end of a fucking, or possibly as the writer was given the advice on, you know, don't speak at unnatural.

it pauses like that have so whatever because every time they'd pause instead of what the yeat but they set up the goddamn main event where it would be joso against solo and if j wins then he is delivering solo to roman to put him back in the bloodline are they just going to put everybody back in the goddamn thing by the way Royce keys, it's a angle. It's not a legitimate injury. He's out indefinitely with a bruise larynx and a cervical strain,

but he's not actually injured, apparently. It's just an angle. So it's indefinitely, but not indubitably. All right, so they have the match where Jay and Solo and Jay's going to deliver Solo to Roman, and if he's not there in 30 minutes, he gets him free. Did you catch that part of the stipulation? I did not hear that part, no.

Yeah. So Jay came out through the fans with the music and the yeating, but at least they went to break or whatever. So at least they're not doing the whole goddamn thing, but he's still up in the breezeway with the fans to start of the man of the people. And they had the match, and it is what you can imagine. It's a match between the Uso's because he's their brother too. so all of the bad habits are kind of magnified.

But finally, Jimmy came out and distracted Solo and Jay hit Solo with a spear and got a two count. And then they went back and for just for a second and then Jimmy distracted again and Solo spiked him and Jay speared him and then splashed him one, two, three. I'm wondering if the first one was supposed to be it, but somebody forgot to do something, and Jay just went ahead and spared him or whatever. I don't know, but anyway, one, two, three. And that was it. So the Uso's had won Solo back.

And now he's going to be in the bloodline with Jacob, who was trying to kill Roman. And Solo had a evil group of face-painted panda bears that we're going to fucking get all these motherfuggers. How can any of them sleep at night? With the call is coming from inside the house, everybody in the group wants to kill each other. Are they going to make him the limousine chauffeur?

And they all go to sleep in the back and they're trusting solo with their fucking lives? Why do they want him in the group? What is happening, Brian? I don't know. Can't explain it. Solo was in the back as a baby face doing a promo earlier with LA Knight. And I, for the first time, started thinking, man, he's actually kind of fun as a baby face.

And now we'll see what happens. It was a weird stipulation. But he will be delivered, hand delivered. Like a gift to Roman Raines next week. Well, I'll tell you what, he's certainly not going to be packed by the feather bottoms in their ultra-careful handling system, so he won't be fucked anymore. Jim in advance real quick, on the record, how long do you think it'll take Roman Raines

to get from the back to the ring next Monday? Think about it for a second, a legitimate number. Now, he's not announced for a match. He's just, this is his return, right? He returns next Monday. Yeah, just to get solo. He's not going to work. Come on now.

Yeah, I'm going to say, six minutes, 30 seconds. All right, let's see if he beats it six minutes and 30 seconds. We're talking from the time the music hits to when he starts talking, right? Would that be... Yes, okay. Yes, that is correct. Let's see what happens, but that was WWE Raw.

Boy, was it exciting. Jim, want to ask you about something that has been a big topic of conversation in the last several days. I'm not sure how up on it you are. AJ Stiles has a son who has just begun his wrestling career. I believe he's a couple of matches in. Avery, I believe. Is that not the case?

I believe so. I've got a few things here that people have sent over about this. I'm trying to find it here. But Avery Stiles, just starting his career, of course, has his father's name, and everyone knows that it's A.J.'s son, and A.J. certainly has a reputation for everything he's done in the ring. it's a good way to start your career, I guess. I don't know what the hell I'm saying.

But there was an incident that didn't happen. There was an incident that didn't happen. Give us all the facts, ma'am, just the facts. Apparently, he was flown in to wrestle for GCW, Game Changer Wrestling. Oh, good Lord. And after it, a wrestler named Eric Cannon, who I presume work, for GCW, he tweeted out, as someone who watched this kid scurred away from helping with a single thing at this

very show, I'd just like to say, L-O-O-Fing L. And I guess that is in response to, again, there's a whole lot of tweets here. That is in response to Natty Nyhart. Oh, excuse me. Natty Knightheart did an interview where she said that Avery Stiles wants to to pay his dues and she was at the show and he's a young kid who wants to pay his dues and that triggered the he didn't pay his dues comment. So after that, AJ Stiles jumped in and said he was paid to wrestle at GCW, not help you

put up and take down the ring. That sounds like your job. You just sound like a jealous douche to which Ara-can I have all the respect in the world for you, AJ. I understand why you'd defend your son, and it's admirable. But the fact remains, he can stay AJ's kid, continue to skirt responsibility and paying dues. Skirt responsibility.

Or he could earn the respect of his peers and stand on his own as Avery. So let's stop here. There's a whole lot more. Jim, what are the responsibilities of a wrestler when it comes to putting up or taking down the ring? If a wrestler is flown in, despite being a rookie or not, do you think they're responsible for doing this? And for the wrestlers that are stuck doing it, is it justifiable for them to be resentful of wrestlers that don't do it? What are your thoughts on all this? All of these things can be the case in the proper context.

And also this Eric Cannon fellow, I've blocked him. him on Twitter. I found out what I saw this exchange, part of it, I had to click on it because I blocked him. Apparently he's,

well, he works for garbage championship wrestling, so he's probably one of those. But until modern times, unless the wrestler was also the guy that

hauled the ring for the promotion, for example, in the Memphis territory, Buddy Wayne, would haul the ring. because it was his ring, he'd hauled spot shows, and he'd work in the opening match. That way he got paid twice,

and the office saved having to book somebody on the fucking card, that type of thing. Otherwise, by the time the boys ever got to the show, and this was small territories and large territories, the ring was already up, right? The paying of the dues was that you made the towns, you were on the road, you had that schedule, you got the shit kicked out of you in the opening matches.

That was paying your dues. And then in the modern era as wrestling schools have become more prominent and more numerous, etc. And we did the same thing in OVW. The guys in the particular wrestling school or that particular local promotion, the regular guys along with the probably were friends with the promoter or the regular students of a school that were attending classes there also and that's why they were working on the live shows.

Since there was no more territory days where you were in the car fucking six hours each way to a fucking town, guys started getting there earlier to help set up and tear down the rings because they were also, these operations were probably lower budget or independent or just you know, small shows or whatever. And we found that that was a good way to instill some kind of responsibility in the guys in OVW. Sina at one point drove the ring truck. So did Brock, I believe, at one point.

There were a few guys that got heat with the group because they felt they were too good or they were out in the car talking on their cell phone when they ought to be carrying a ring post. Of course, remember we had heels set up and baby faces tear down or vice versa. We didn't let the talent mingle in front of the fans. But that was because this was the regular crew. They were working live events three and four nights a week. They were together in class on a daily or regular basis. And it was their thing. And I can understand that applying to the local independent promotions that guys work for regularly and that everybody chips in and you got the same sound guy ring announcer or whatever the case everybody's chipping in but

there's also to me a different way to go about this when it styles his son is in an unusual position where he's by he's being flung and in by a promotion to wrestle when he's only had a few matches in front of people because of who his father is yes and when we assume from what we've heard he's got a lot of potential also but if you if you call a guy and I assume that AJ Stiles and say Avery didn't call the garbage wrestling guy said hey can I wrestle in goddamn you know the sikakis or wherever you the fuck you're at.

Can I wrestle for you? I assume they called him and they booked him. When you call a guy and you book him and you fly him up to wrestle in a place he's never been for a company he's never worked for a guy and a crew that he may have never met, I don't see any reason why he's got to pitch you and help set to fucking ring up. These guys have come from fucking Passaic. He's come from God damn Georgia. And besides that, he doesn't have any,

it's not paying your dues to go and set somebody else's ring up when they've called you and booked you. Unless they said at the beginning, we want to book you to wrestle and also help set the ring up. And the reason why I say it could be handled differently is because I'm sure, how did this unfold live when he got there and he's looking to place over.

Did they tell him, hey, come on, we got to set the ring up. And he looked at him like they had flaming turds hanging out of their mouths. Because why wouldn't he? What the fuck? What do you want me to do about it? Maybe he didn't know how to set their ring up. Many of them are different. Who the fuck knows?

But the point is, it's not for the boys on the card to determine whether or not the guy had to write attitude because he wouldn't help them. carry the ring posts. If the promoter said, hey, I expect you to goddamn go do this, then if I was Avery, I would have said, why didn't you

tell me this before? And I'd ask for another $100. Or something of that fashion. But that's the point. And so then they get on Twitter and say the guys being snotty because he wouldn't help us set our show up that our promoter

called him and flew him all away from Georgia to be on to begin with, would Avery Stiles have known that that event was going to take place or had taken place after the fact if they hadn't called him? So what sweat equity does he need to put in this fucking thing? Well, we have some more here, Jim. After Eric Cannon's tweet saying that Avery can earn the respect of his peers and stand on his own as Avery,

or he could just be AJ's kid. AJ Stiles responded, You don't ask someone to have dinner at your house and have them do the dishes. He was asked to wrestle at GCW. Although grateful for the opportunity, a vet would have talked to him professionally or at least face to face.

To which Eric Cannon, who put this all out there, I mean, he's really the one that has caused everyone to see this story. he tweeted out in response A 20 plus year vet and promoter Ask him to help with the chairs Twice

Instead of helping He hid in the locker room Until everything was done My Two cents isn't going to affect his future But with all due respect You stating that he doesn't need to help Is only doing him a disservice Oh, good Lord.

A 20-year vet and promoter asked him to help with the chair. Who would have been on one of these outlaw shows like that? That seems like that would narrow it down, although some of these people you've never heard of say they've been in the business 20 years. But how did he ask him? I need more information. Did he go over and go, hey, come on, you know, help us set these chairs up? And the kids like, what the fuck, why is this my goddamn affair?

he's not a local trainee you got to keep going back yeah he's not a local trainee he's not he's not obligated and he don't have skin in the game here now he could have said okay i'll be you know i'll be a good sport and help you set out some chairs i guess but it there's no there's no mandatory reason nor reason for why this should be a goddamn thing in my opinion unless he was going all around the building saying, look at you fucking dumb shit gabrony, setting up the chairs. Well, I'm not. Otherwise,

well, of course, other people have chimed in and let's get your thoughts on some of these. Lexus King, that's Brian Pilman Jr., tweeted out. He tweeted out a lot. As someone who has walked in this kid's very shoes, being the son of a legendary high flyer, and taking to the Indies for

the first time, all I could say is that it's a different path than most. I was five matches in, and promoters would fly me in. Tell me to hang out at the hotel until call time, and when I'd get there, the ring would already be set up. To put it plainly, people treat you differently when you are one of us, and it's not his fault. There's a different type of baggage this boy carries, an expectation to live up to his father's greatness that most will never understand. I hadn't set up or tore down a single ring until I got to NXT.

But yet I'm so glad I started because it taught me a lot about the work that goes into making the magic that is pro wrestling. I was treated like royalty by everyone in the business until I walked into NXT and the leadership here humbled me

and treated me like everyone else. It's up to the leadership on the Indies to show him the way. As I was with him until he was with him until he was the leadership on the Indies, a.k.a. the invisible man. He's putting his body on the line and drawing extra eyes for your show at a young age, and you want to blast him on the internet instead of talking to him in person? Well, guess what, Eric? Your tweet didn't sell any more tickets for the next show,

but I bet Avery Stiles being on the card will. Hey, instead of Derek, now it's A, Eric! Because it's his birthright. And that's in caps with five crowns. Well, again, with this Eric Cannon fellow, as I said, I blocked him on Twitter, so he's probably a smart ass, and he's probably a frustrated nobody that's never gone anywhere.

And he's the self-appointed arbiter of morality and fucking behavior in their particular outlaw mud show locker room. So he thought he'd just speak up on everybody's behalf. Unless it's like a crazy Teddy heart kind of situation and just using him as an example, I mean, is it fair that he did this to a 19-year-old kid two matches into his career who's trying to make a name for himself and this is the first thing people are going to hear about him? the people that pay attention to this, this guy putting out there that he's some kind of ingrate for being flown in,

he didn't even put away any of the chairs or put up the ring or anything. I never saw that. You know, when I was around Dennis Caruso shows, again, that's a different world, that's a different set of indies. I don't remember the local guys putting up or taking down the ring. Well, no, that's why I say it would never happen unless it was the guy that owned the ring that was also wrestling on the card. this is another one of those modern things like the handshake and the whole nine yards.

The handshake being not just mandatory, but, you know, the fucking cause of a ass whipping if you don't do it or whatever. All this stuff has been magnified by Marx getting into the business and thinking that casual kind of semi-traditions were fucking stone-cold law. Well, that's Brian Pillman Jr. A.J. Francis, flopped up. Oh, good Lord. He tweeted out, let me be clear. When I was in NXT,

I set up and broke down the ring on every coconut show I ever did. Whatever the coconut shots. That must have been, well, they're in Florida. That must have been the NXT phrase for the buttermilk run, all the shitty towns. I ain't never once touch no ring on the Indies And none of these bitch-ass wrestlers

Would ever say anything to me about it All right, thank you, top dollar Moose has checked in Moose, I believe it's in TNA He responded to Eric Cannon Bro, relax, it's an indie show The whole pay your dues in an indie show is dumb Different story

If it was a TV company we're talking about a freaking indie show. A 20-year indie vet giving advice to the kid of one of the greatest to do it in a professional level is kind of laughable. And then Eric Cannon responded to Moose, coming from someone who is in the business, this is a painfully dumb take. And then Moose is. Oh, well, I don't know how Moose is going to recover from that. I'd hide my head in shame. I never, Moose responded, I never set up a ring or chairs and I'm doing pre-examble.

and I'm doing pretty good in my pro wrestling career, so must not be that dumb of a take. I feel like you're jealous or attention-seeking. If you were genuine, you would have went to AJ or son personally and shared your feelings rather than bitch on X. Bingo. And finally, Jim, Sam Adonis chimed in. Corey Graves' brother, by the way.

But a wrestling star independently of that, he's been a star in Mexico. Yeah, well, I didn't, I didn't mean that he wasn't his own human being. I just meant that a lot of people don't know they're related. They're because of the different last name because their mother remarried to Adrian Adonis. I don't fucking know. Go ahead. What Sam Adidas tweeted out, everyone crying about Avery paying dues is gaslighting themselves. 97% of wrestlers setting up is either trying to get or keep a spot.

talent flown in as an attraction are 1,000% exempt. If he decided to help, it would very much help his perception, but that's his decision. And there you go. There you have it. That sucks, too, the idea that it is, you know, he kind of said it out. It's a perception thing, just to be seen doing it. So people see you doing it, whether you want to or not. I don't know.

It seems like this Eric Cannon made an issue out of nothing. And it seems a little unfair because this kid's just starting his career. Yes, he did make a big issue out of nothing. And also, if you'd have again said this to any of the talent, even the undercard guys in the territory days or even in the big companies in the 90s or most of the small companies in the 90s, They would have said, fuck you, I'd say it. They would have considered it like they were going to work for an executive position.

And on the way in, you handed them a plunger and told them to unstop the toilet. That's the, that's the ring crew. That's like the fucking guys that set up the tilter whirl at the county fair. What, you know, there was no, there was no need to pay dues by performing extra labor on a ring crew for a promoter, nor would anybody have probably gone along with it. But they were also working seven nights a week and driving 100, 200, 300 miles each way each day to the shows to do it.

Plenty of dues got paid. I mean, I guess that's the funny thing to me. It's the whole idea that two matches into his career or whatever it is. They're bringing him in. He's from out of town. Yeah. Here's what we want to pay you. Also, we expect you to take down the ring

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We'll be right back. All right, we are back. That's Jim's favorite of the tunes. You know, we were just talking about big amounts of money and big fancy cars and vehicles and everything. It didn't used to be this way, Brian. Back in my day, when I was a child, you didn't have to have a fortune. You didn't have to be a multimillionaire to just lead a normal life. Prices were under control.

You know what I have in front of me right now that I clicked on while you were playing with your organ? Would you like to hear the McDonald's menu with prices in 1973 when I was a 12-year-old young man and just embarking on a lifetime of eating fast food? Okay. This is the entire McDonald's menu for 1973. A quarter-pounder, 60 cents. A quarter-pounder with cheese. A big back, 65 cents. Filet of fish, 48 cents.

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cost you to get a goddamn, but when we were talking about the TVs, 40 years ago, how much would it cost you to get a 65-inch television? Oh, thousands of dollars. Tens of thousands of dollars, probably. It would have to be custom made possibly. Yes. Now they don't last but six weeks, but you can get them for $400 bucks. Not all prices have to go up. All right. I guess just our food. Once again, cook that food with hex clad. Make a nice ending of this.

Jim, speaking of old news, of course, whenever Dave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez have a spat, it now gets sent to us by seemingly hundreds of fucking people. Do they, are they at the point where they need counseling? Should somebody step in? I think it's become pretty clear from these segments we've reviewed

and from the footage you see of them. Alvarez tries to look at things logically, even if he doesn't enjoy, or if he enjoys things that we don't enjoy for different reasons. He is much more accepting of the silly shit, but he also looks for logic. and that's historically what he did. He wrote the death of WCW, which just made fun of WCW by pointing out how nothing made any sense

and they suffered for it. Dave, at times it's he's arguing a point that he's convinced himself of, but other times it's a jump to Tony Con defense even when you're dealing with someone who's not attacking Tony Con or AEW. He's just got to figure out a way to absolve

Tony of any responsibility and something that it would not be favorable. Again, Brian Alvers has been a big supporter of AEW since the beginning. The idea that he points out logic holes and then immediately Dave jumps on him, that may be an issue. We have some audio to play, but then... And I want to say one thing. I've heard people say, they're just doing this for clicks. They're doing it to make people listen as controversy equals cash or whatever.

But if that's the case, how did they talk down? to take him the part of the dumb fuck, right? Which, when you've got to argue something and somebody's obviously right and somebody's obviously fucking wrong and people can tell, but how do you, how do you pick which one? Wouldn't Dave, because he's the senior guy in more ways than one, he's a senior citizen, wouldn't he have said to Alvarez, hey, you be the young goof that doesn't know anything. Let me be the smart guy. but they switched roles.

Well, again, even if it was something premeditated done for this, and I'm not convinced it is, I'm certainly clear, you know, and there's nothing wrong with it, that they are taking advantage of this content, exploiting it the way anyone who makes content like this shouldn't benefiting from it. But it doesn't change the fact that it's happening on these shows that they record late at night after, like a dynamite. They don't record the next day, they record that night late at night. Good Lord.

But let's go to this audio. All right. Because there's more. There's a written version of this feud as well here. But this is referring to the Mark Davis, Will Osprey, I think it was a Mexico City street fight on grants. Yes, remember we laughed at it because, you know, not only is it not what the people in poor arena, Mexico normally get, but that it had to be a street fight just because they were in Mexico City. Well, one of the stipulations was also that no one could interfere. Yes. It was a polite street fight.

Amongst gentlemen. Well, let's go to a gentlemanly discussion between Dave Belzer and Brian Alvarez. Let's review this. Their comments about this Grand Slam Mexico street fight. Will Osprey and Mark Davis. This went, this was went very long, bloody as hell. How do you have a street fight where no one's allowed at ringside? It's ridiculous.

What do you mean? It's a street fight. What's going to have? happen, a DQ? Which, by the way, brings me the other question. They did a spot at the end of this match. It was just a step. They did a spot where it's a street fight. Yeah, but it's a fight in the street. You can do anything. Anything goes. Except other people being there. Well, good. They didn't want outside interference. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. So anyway, they also had a spot near the end. Let me get to this spot. You can have street fights without outside interference. People

did it for decades and decades. Davis. Just because WWE doesn't do it and they didn't advertise it ahead of time. Let's stop it there because we've got the just because WWE doesn't do it argument where. Oh boy. Yeah, well just because they don't do

it. He's overlooking the fact that nobody ever advertised a stipulation that no one was allowed to interfere because that then told the fans that the promotion had the power to keep people from interfering. Henceforth, anytime anybody interfered to

future, they didn't get to heat for it, the promotion did, for allowing it. Which is the same stupid thing that Tony has done. He's made some matches. In these matches, interference is not allowed. Well, if you can stop it in those, why can't you stop it in the other ones? Well, we're going to get Dave's explanation for that, actually, and it's the first time. He says that it's been out there. It's the first time I've heard it. But we'll get there. Let's go back to this. Parents, people did it for decades and decades. Dave is, uh, just because Because WWE doesn't do it and W. W.W.E. Street fights mean to fill with a million people in fear.

It's an anything goes match. It's ridiculous to have an anything goes match. The word anything goes means anything goes. You're having an anything goes match, except this. That'll be an EQ. They didn't say that. They were banned from ringside. There's a difference. So what happens if they come in? They didn't come in. No, Dave, what happens if they come in during the street fight?

A disqualification? No, what happens is what Tony Conce. What will be the fucking punishment? Well, here it is. This is what I said before. I'd never heard before. Let's go to this. Then during the street fight, a disqualification? No. What happens is what Tony Kahn says for the Continental when they do the same exact thing. No one's allowed at ringside. And he has said that when if someone comes out to do that, they are fired. So that's what that's what happens.

Well, the kind of old classic is supposed to be like a wrestling tournament. This is a street fight. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Answer this question. If somebody came out, if somebody came out, he'd violate the steps. Answer me this question. You want him violating steps? Okay. Can you answer this next question? Especially something as silly as this? Well, there it is as silly as it is. As silly as this. So let me get this straight then.

The street fight matches can have stipulations where nobody interferes, but the regular matches where there can be disqualifications, and they're supposed to adhere to the rules. They have run in all the time. It doesn't make any sense. And again, if he says if they run in, they're fired good. Then if anybody runs in on any matches from now on, they're fired.

But you can't just say only the ones we say that. Because if a wrestler would care about being fired if they ran into the one, wouldn't they always care about being fired if they ran in? It would prevent it altogether if that was the stipulation. Yes, and boy, and then you'd never be able to do a run-in ever again. And that's why nobody ever brought up the same. subject of banning. The run-in is banned to begin with because if somebody does run in, they will be disqualified

or the person they're trying to help will be disqualified if the referee sees it. That was the penalty. They would lose the match if the referee catches them getting outside help. That's why it's ill. It's already illegal and there's already a rule for it. But you could always use the referee was distracted and the heel took advantage of it. but by doing this if nobody can interfere because nobody can be at ringside or nobody can come down

but only on the matches we say that's the case then it's the promotion's fault here and after ever after instead of the heels fault whenever somebody runs in and screws a baby face so dip shits and I'm with Alvarez you can't have no interference in a street fight or in a no DQ, anything goes match or anything of the ilk. It doesn't work. After that audio, Jim, it continued on Twitter.

Oh, boy. The official wrestling observer Twitter account tweeted out the audio I just played here, and they had the quote from Brian Alvarez, how do you have a street fight when no one's allowed at ringside? It's ridiculous. What's going to happen? A DQ? to which Dave Meltzer quote tweeted, his own website.

His own website? Arguing in favor of outside interference in a match where the stip is nobody is allowed to interfere is something. Which I don't think that was really the argument, though, was it? No. He's not saying I'm in favor of outside interference. No, he didn't say we want the outside interference to happen. He said it's stupid that they have said in a street fight. that they have been able to ban that aspect of the street fighting.

Well, Brian Alvarez quote tweeted that and wrote, It's a no-rules match with rules. To which Dave Meltzer responded, you're arguing in favor of outside interference in a match where the advertised stip was nobody allowed at ringside and no interference. To which Alvarez wrote a lot here, hold on.

No, I am arguing that the idea of a street fight with nobody can interfere rules is inherently ridiculous because of the concept of what a street fight is. If you get angry at someone at the sushi place, maybe that's where Dave goes, if you get angry at someone at the sushi place and say, let's take this outside, the idea that you can also add but none of your friends can get involved is preposterous. It's one thing to say that there will be no outside interference in the Continental Classic,

which is a wrestling tournament, where the idea is to respect the sanctity of the sport of professional wrestling. This is not that. This was a no-rule street fight. And that's where it ends. Yeah. It's going to end. sooner or later.

I just want, who's going to get custody of the pets? To the bigger issue, Dave's inability, again, this is minor criticism. Just, hey, this doesn't make any sense. Dave can't say you're right. Instead, it's a rush to defend

to say WWE, WWE. But what do you think of Dave's defense here? Well, again, it's gibberish because you're right. He could have just said, yeah, that, you know, Tony has a tendency to over-stipulate things. It's not insulting Tony's family.

Does he think Tony is that thin skin that if he doesn't take up for him at every conceivable turn that Tony will excommunicate him from, you know, getting to talk to the billionaire boychild about the rassland that they both love and push down everybody's fucking throat because they love it?

I mean, I don't know what else he couldn't, just for appearances sake, because he claims to be a journalist, but he can't even bring himself to utter the mildest criticism of Tony or the things that Tony does, does he not want to hurt his feelings because Tony would be sensitive, or does he think he's going to get cut off? Or is he think he's like, you know, Schindler and, you know, we can't say anything bad. we'll all get fired. I don't understand why he can't just stand up for a couple of things

so he doesn't look so obvious in what he's doing. Well, Jim, let's move on here with the show. Let's go now to finish our list of the top 20 wrestlers in their 20s in 1994. We have a bunch of interesting decisions to make pretty soon about this question mark list. Oh, boy. Yeah, let me grab my picture. paperwork here because I'll tell you what, we established there were so many Hall of Fame names and legends and guys already on top in the 84 list of guys in

their 20s. And in the 94 list of guys in their 20s, there's certainly some Hall of Famers, but there was more guys being used on a regular basis, but they were only guys on the card. They weren't difference makers. Many of them weren't in a company that was drawing any money, because most of those companies had gone away. And now we're like, can we put together like 20 really Bafo names off of the 20s in 94?

Well, the names we both agreed should be on the list. So far, Owen Hart, Sean Michaels, Undertaker, Yokozuna, Dustin Rhodes, Lord Stephen Regal, and Cactus Jack and I think we could say it'd be pretty hard to argue against any of them but it's the rest of them

that we'll have to talk about but we have some more names. We've gone through a lot of names to get there but go ahead. Jim turning 29 in February Black Magic aka Norman Smiley. I never got him.

I never got it. I saw the WCW stuff with the wiggle and The whole thing, he, to me, facially, always looked like he was in his 50s. I've heard he's a heck of a shooter. People have even used him as a trainer. I do as I teach and not as I did. I don't know.

Don't have any idea what he was doing in 94 or why. He was wrestling in Mexico, maybe a little bit in Japan, very talented. But I will not fight you on this, not on the list for 84, for 94. Jim turning 24 in January Big Titan the future fake Razor Ramon Oh good Lord What was his name?

Rick Bogner Shit Rick Bogner Yeah I mean he was a nice guy You know In my dealings with him But I think he just got that spot Because he looked kind of like Scott Hall

with his hair slick and I never saw anything special in his appearance, work, personality, whatever. All right, not on the list. He was teaming up with Mike Awesome in Japan. Jim, someone who would start working for you right around this time,

32 years ago in 1994, turning 22 in April, Boo Bradley. And he was 22 years old and he looked older even then, But, I mean, Abbott Boo Bradley was not a difference maker in the company. He was, I liked him. He was a heck of a guy. And he was a good worker.

And he'd get more famous as Balls Mahoney, but also he would do all the damage to himself that helped bring about his early demise. But you can't, even if you're his best friend, you can't put him on a list of the top 20 guys in the business, especially in 1994. Well, Jim, speaking of young wrestlers breaking in and working for you, someone who would start working for you in 1994, turning 24 in October, DeLo Brown. Boy, and now there's an example of Deelow was doing the same thing. He was working underneath in Smoky Mountain, and he was almost the same age, 24, not 22.

Boo had he could move good for a big guy and he had the gimmick and with DeLo it was different in that he didn't have he was a big kid especially then for he lost weight got in better shape but he didn't have a you know a particularly distinct look but his work was very good even for the time for the experience level you could tell he was going to he became a better in-ring worker just telling you technically than Boo ever was.

So, but even then, just in 1994, he was the gangsters, you know, flunky. So we can't really say he was moving anything at that time. But as we all know, he would go on to have a long and successful career. Jim, another guy from the Northeast, turning 28 in July, Tom Brandy. Salvatore Sincere Not yet he wouldn't But that's the only time he'd get on national TV Bless him

Well he was in WCW was Johnny Gunn That's right I forgot about that But so did everybody else I think Sal sincere still sticks in people's mind Because the outlandish outfit With the peacock feather or whatever I mean, we can't really put him on a list either

if he wasn't really anywhere where he was moving anything or doing anything to stand out at this point in time. But a heck of a worker, nice guy. Jim, turning 23 in September, another person who would briefly work for you in 1994 in August, Richard Slinger. You know, he was, was Terry Gordy's cousin. And so he worked with for me a couple of times when Terry was on the

card because they drove up together. And again, he did better in Japan because he was just a, as I recall, just, you know, straight ahead wrestler, wrestler fellow, but not a lot of nonsense to him, but he didn't have the size that Terry had. And I think he was just one of those guys that was kind of a victim of the territories going away and there was no place in the United States to really get better or work regularly. So again, you know, he was doing better in Japan.

He was almost non-existent in the states. Jim turning 21 in April, Steve Skyfire. Well, Steve Skyfire was... This will be in a Smoky Mountain book, this part, ladies and gentlemen. Well, no, what was his fucking name? his real last name.

I don't know. I remember Bob Cottle called him Steve Skydiver. Yeah. He was an indie guy. There was, well, there was really no Indies. There were outlaw shows in East Tennessee and Virginia. And he worked for me sometimes on the card underneath or in the middle in Spoky Mountain.

He was an athletic kid. And I think he got some level of recognition for doing indies at the time. in those early days of it, but I don't know whatever became of it. And then later on, we had an OVW, we had a Seth Skyfire who was actually a pretty darn good himself, but different fellow. All right, not on the list.

Turning 29 in August, Johnny Smith. Uh, who was Davey Boy's cousin, correct? I believe so. And he was mostly, uh, working, well, at that point, there wasn't anything going on on any level in Calgary, but he would basically make trips to Japan also. All Japan, that's right.

And he was doing fairly well there, not sure how well, but in the United States. Yeah. All right, not on your list. 25 in October, June Akiyama. I defer to your knowledge of June or August, Akiyama. He has a lot of people who really like him. I've never been a big fan of his, so unfortunately I'm the worst person to ask.

I would not put him on the list. I couldn't possibly pick him out of the police lineup. I've heard the name. No, I will say, I know you have kind of veered away from Japanese wrestlers, but I would put the next person on my list. Turning 27 in March, Kenta Kabashi.

Kenta Kobashi. Ah, know him well. He was the top guy for the whole company for I don't know how many years. He set records that stood for however long. Later on, he would become famous for having that match in Ring of Honor with Samoa Joe, but primarily he was the top guy in Japan, but this was at a time where they were drawing money and putting people in the building at that point.

So he would, even though he had no United States, presence, like you said, he would have to go on this list, would he not? In a time where Japanese wrestling predominantly was still treated seriously, despite things like Wing or IWA or FMW, whatever, just doing crazy shit with monsters and stuff, he was having the best matches, he was elevated, he was all Japan's top guy, and he was as good in the ring as anyone, I think, of that era. Now, he never came to the States. Until the Samoa Joe thing, I don't think he ever

wrestled in the States. So, I could see why that would make you say, well, he shouldn't be on the list, but the matches he had in 94, him and Stan Hanson, him and Steve Williams, the tag matches, I personally would put him on the list.

Well, since the list is almost empty so far anyway, let's put him on a fucking list. All right, I'm adding him to the list now. Jim, next name here, 24 in December. Rob Van Dam. I defer to you again on where he was in his journey, as the kids say, had he started being used in ECW yet? Is this a couple of years early? What the fuck was Rob Van Dam doing in 1994, if anything? Rob Van Dam was wrestling for Eddie Mansfield in 92. the IWF, that was the first time I saw him on TV in New York.

Then he went to WCW and they gave him the atrocious name of Robbie V. I remember that. And it was no, he just seemed like a hapless baby face who did like kicks every now and that. It wasn't that cool. The name killed it too. And then he wouldn't get to ECW. I don't think until maybe late 95.

So this is like a period in between where, I don't remember him doing too much. Maybe I'm missing something. I don't remember him doing too much in 94. I don't think he goes on the list. I'll agree with you. Well, Jim, again, to go to Japan, turning 25 in July,

he would have a breakout performance in the J-Cup that year, the great Sasukee or the great Suzuki. A lot of people call him different things. The great Suzuki is what we always called him. And Sasuki, he don't sucky. He was the darling

junior heavyweight high flyer masked fellow of that era as I recall. And again, I don't know is 1994. So I don't know besides what you just told me. So otherwise than that, you make the decision

on this one because I am woefully out of my flywheel here. I would put him on the list for 94. It's his breakout year. In the New Japan J-Cup, he's the one, even though he doesn't win it, Chris Benoit does, Wild Pegasus. He's the one people kind of walk away, at least people I was talking to, talking about. We had never seen anyone do some of the things he was doing.

And it turned out he was the top star, and you may remember this, because when I was trading tapes, it was kind of like, this is not what I expected. a company that was called at the time the Smoky Mountain Wrestling of Japan Michinoku Pro Wrestling Yeah, I remember that big And I didn't know that meant like It's just it's a regional thing I thought like oh they do promos

I didn't know what the thing Yes, because that was Taka Michinoku and his guys Dick Tago and Shofunaki and the other guys and they had got together and did their own thing in the Michinoku district of Japan or whatever it was So he was the top star there, breaks out here, gets more stuff with New Japan, has a big match at in Oneida a couple years later.

If there was ever a year for him to be on, I personally think this would be it. Well, let's put him on. All right. And, of course, you would be there when they would book him against Taka Michinoku and the WF, and we all thought, all right, this is the beginning of his run into the WV, and instead Taka Machinoku got the run, which was a big surprise. It was the great soccer. Asu K that Taka was against.

So I probably met this guy. See, you know, he should have not been wearing a mask. I'd remember what he looks like. Jim, I'm going to guess not on your list. Kansuki Sasaki, turning 28 in August. I'll let you tell me. I wouldn't put him on my list. He's not going to get on my list, I'll tell you that.

Certainly debatable for 1994 would be Shinya Hashimoto, turning 29 in July. I was never a big Hashimoto fan. I personally wouldn't put them on my list, but I think there's a strong argument. Well, in that case, let's give him a question, Mark, because we're going to have to come back on this with more research. Hashimoto 29. Jim, turning 23 in July, J.C. Ice of PG-13, aka Jamie Dundee. Well, and let's go ahead, go ahead and give the next one, too, because we'll talk about them together. That's right.

You can't mention J.C. Ice without mentioning Wolfie D. Wolfie D. Although Wolfie D would appreciate it if you did every once in a while mentioned him. Wolfie D turned 21 in December. I'll just say this real quick. Although it's 1995, Alan Blackstock,

Alan Cheap Shot on Twitter, tweeted out a clip of, I think it was the thugs against PG-13 in Cookville, Tennessee. And I was at that show. Yes. And it got me thinking they were so much fun live. They were great in engaging the crowd

and there was action and they were funny to without being comedy, you know, they were really a lot of fun PG-13. They were updated hip-hop versions of old-time Southern Heels. And Wolfie's father was a outlaw wrestler in Tennessee.

And obviously, Jamie's father was Bill Dundee and, you know, there was no better spot show wrestler that I've ever seen than Bill Dundee because he didn't even have to take bumps to make it exciting. And they learned all that shit. They both could work. They could bump. They knew how to put the matches together,

do the old-time heel tag team shit, the fucking tiptoe spot, the arm pump, the fucking Tennessee tiptoe, whatever the fuck. So they were a great tag team to watch, as you said, and be entertained by, and they could both get heat

if they were heels, because they were such cocky, weasley little fuckers, or they could get over his baby faces because they knew how to sell. And they could talk, especially Jamie with a line of bullshit he has, they could fucking talk. And the size-wise was an issue, but not as much in the Tennessee territory

or, you know, anywhere down south where it was the performance was the deal, and they could get people. having said that I mean really do they deserve the list because they were on top in the Memphis territory and the next year they'd be the same thing

on top in Memphis and they'd work a few shots for me in Smoky Mountain when they got to the WWF it was because they they wanted them as the rappers for the nation of domination and they used them sparingly as wrestlers and just to you know beat them

but boy they were just entertaining fuckers and then Jamie bless him turned out to be just a mental case and melted down and has become a public spectacle over the last 20 years or whatever were there any signs of that when he was little

because you like babysat him didn't you know I didn't babysit him I heard you babysat Jamie Dundee I helped him put his Christmas us toys together in 1983 or whatever. When we were about to leave for Louisiana and we were over at Dundee's house. He was like eight or whatever.

So were there any signs? Like did he try to smoke any of his toys? No, I mean, he was a mischievous little toddler. But when he was a teenager, you know, you could tell he had some personality like the Dundee family, but you didn't need. Even when he first got in the business, you didn't know he was going to go completely out of his mind and make all the headlines he's made. But yeah, a great tag together. Maybe as a team, let's give them a question mark just because the list is so goddamn shitty.

Because I liked watching them better than I liked watching almost any of these other guys. All right, Jim, we'll come back to them on the question mark list. And, of course, not the only person to work the Memphis territory to be accused of losing his mind. few times, turning 25 in February, Doug Gilbert. Oh, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy. It's come to this. Are we considering this? I don't know.

Doug is 1994? Was it better at his 93 or his 95? I don't know what he was doing then. And I hate, you know, I've told the people, but just real briefly, Doug has been mad at me for the past 15 years ever since Howard. Brody wrote his massive and detailed autobiography, and I did the forward for it, and Doug read the manuscript or the book and didn't like what Howard said about Eddie, so he cussed me out on the goddamn internet, thinking because my name was on the cover, that I've apparently

said that too. And I said, have you ever read a book, you stupid motherfucker? Fucking hillbilly piece of shit. so anyway otherwise I never had a fucking word with him until he's like

this motherfucker fuck you Cornett what you fucking said yours in Howard Brody's book oh my God but anyway yeah I wouldn't put him

on the list he's he always he didn't have the working ability of Tommy or the physique of Eddie

or the mind of Eddie or the longevity of Tommy or anything of any of the other Gilbert's. He just, he was the brother. All right, Jim, a few more names here. Turning 27 in October, one of your favorites, Latin lover. Okay, I remember he was over like Rover in some period of time in Mexico.

I would read all about it. And I don't have any idea when that was or what he was doing in 1994. Well, clearly it was when Antonio Pena was in charge, but not on your list. Jim turning 24 in October, another AAA star, and he was really good. Heavy metal. Okay, I remember he was not only over, but also that he was legitimately pretty good in the ring, and he was used well for some time. Do we remember what his real name was?

Did he change his gimmick? Did he come here and have something else? No, he never really... Am I thinking about somebody else? I think you're thinking about somebody else. He's from a wrestling family, but he never really did much in the States. Well, there you go. Well, Jim, speaking of wrestling families, the final name on this list,

turning 29 in March. That's incredible. I didn't realize how young he was when he started. Steve Armstrong. And Steve had been, well, Brad was, Scott was the oldest. Scott is the oldest. But I think Brad started first. then Scott, then Steve, and then finally Brian.

Again, Steve Armstrong, member of the Armstrong family. What a fucking worker. And much like when we talked about the Von Erick boys, that each one of the boys got some part of Fritz, each one of the Armstrong boys got a part of Bob. And whereas Scott kind of got the mind, and he was always the, I don't want to say the thinking one like the others didn't think, but Scott was a heck of a worker, but he was, and he had a good promo, but he was kind of the,

the thinker. And Brad was the all-around worker, just incredible. Steve was the athlete, I think. He was the biggest and had the size, and then Brian got the promo. So, but again, in 1994, Steve was working Smoky Mountain for me. He'd already had that Lance, what was it, Lance Cassidy, he was, and the singing cowboy in the WWF,

and then he'd been one of the Southern boys slash young pistols. But by then he was just doing Indies, working for me some, and not going to be too much longer for the business. Everybody sucked in 1994. even if it was a good talent, they had a bad year. Well, we'll get to the 30s list or start it next time, but there it is, Jim. That's the final name we have on our overall list of the wrestlers in the 20s, so we now have nine names that are on our list. We had to pair them down in 1984, 220, and now we're going to have to go back and beef it up.

Well, we will do that next time. We're going to go through the question marks next time. I'm just looking at the radar and out the window, the thing, things are darkening and an ill wind is about to blow. Well, before the ill wind blows you away, one last thing, let's end with some quick guess the program, if that's okay. Sure. All right. I'll just blow away in a hurricane while I'm guessing Atomwa, Iowa in 1962. Come on, I think you'll be all right.

Damn it. I can't use that one now. Let me move that one. All right, Jim, this first one here, the opening bout. Arion Lembrocus. Oh, good Lord. Athens Greece 270 versus Lee Henning. The Mighty Ursus versus Gentleman Jim Haiti.

Ray Vilmer versus the Great Mephisto. Good Lord. We have a tag team bout. The hillbillies. Rip and Chuck, Boyd County, Kentucky, versus Bob Lapler, or Leipler, from Syracuse. L-A-P-L-E-R? L-E-I-P-L-E-R. I don't know, they might have misspelled that, but nevertheless.

And Mr. Irresistible Sweet Daddy Seeky, Greenwich Village, New York. Two more bouts here. Edward Carpontier, Paris, France, 235, versus the unmasked destroyer, Joe Killer Christie. And finally, Jim, the main event, WWF champion Bruno Sam Martino versus the Beast,

accompanied by his manager and second, Martino Angelo. Martino Angelo. Okay. Well, that gives me something to shoot for. I don't know who Ladis Lachos Falderall was in the opening match against Bulldog Lee Hennig. The Mighty Ursus was a traveling heel in the 60s. Gentleman Jim Hady was a name of some repute.

If Ray Vilmer was wrestling Mephisto, that may or may not have been Frankie Cain at that point. and maybe he just was a local Mephisto. Rip and Chuck, the hillbillies, were a offshoot of Chuck and Vic, the scuffling hillbillies. Who Bob Laplier? Was that Bob Lambere, maybe? Was that who that was?

I don't know. With Sweet Daddy Seiki, I'm an Edward Carpontier against Joe Christie, killer Joe Chris. I'm thinking, are we all over the fucking place here? I was going to say maybe Michigan or maybe Montreal or maybe whatever. But then Bruno against the Beast and the Beast with Martino-Angelo, are you trying to pull some kind of funny business?

Would this have been an early card that Bruno may have been on in Pittsburgh, whether or not he owned the territory by this point or not, with those Midwest guys may have worked for Pittsburgh I'm going to say Pittsburgh the Civic Arena in 1964 or five

all right I'll give you a point for 1964 it is Thursday August 20th 1964 the Maple Leaf Gardens Toronto Ontario Canada son of a bitch all right all right that makes sense too all right jim his next one here

Jerry O versus Steve Regal Baron von Rashke versus gorgeous Jimmy Garvin Six-man tag team action Greg Gagneergne Kurt Henig and Scott Hall versus Nick Bokwinkle Ray the Cripler Stevens

and Larry Zabisco Wow What a team Jerry Blackwell versus Freebird Michael Hayes A Russian death match Sergeant Slaughter versus Boris Zoukov

And the main event Rick Martell versus Stan the Lariat Hanson Well this is an obviously or this is obviously an AWA show. Question is where and when with Martel and Hanson on top, I would bet that was for the AWA title, or at least about the time that they were working that issue.

Michael Hayes is there with all of those people in the AWA at the same time, except is this. a pro wrestling USA show because slaughter's involved and potentially he was drawing some talent from somewhere else but it's almost got to be

either late 1984 or sometime around in 85 sounds like a pro wrestling USA show to me was it in Baltimore, was it in the Meadowlands? Baltimore 1984 Oh man

We're in Denver Colorado Oh son of a bitch The Mile High City Friday October 25th 1985 Five son of a gun

All right All right Let me open this one Where's the card? Hold on There we go All right

Well this is a really big card Here Jim Let's go to this Ed Sharkey versus Jim Starr Joe Scarpa versus Duke Miller Good Lord

Don Don Donucci Dinochee D-O-N versus Frank Shields Skull Murphy versus Tom Andrews Special Attraction 30 minutes one fall

Luthez versus Magnet Mervicant Maurice, double main event, world tag team championship, the champions Pedro Morales and Pepper Gomez versus Mongolian stomper, and Cyclone, it says here, Pegro, P-E-G-R-O. I'm going to assume that may be a misprint. Cyclone Negro. And finally, for a championship I won't name, the champion Ray Stevens versus Ernie Lad.

one fall one hour two out of three falls well now you've thrown me all into turmoil because when we had Eddie Sharkey obviously we've been talking about Sharkey lately the trainer of all those Minnesota guys but he was a wrestler back in the 60s when this

was Jim Star Jungle Jim Star was one of the interns along with Tom Andrews and they were both from the Central States Territes territory. Joe Scarpa against Duke Miller, Joe Scarpa was Jay Strongbow, and he and Duke Miller both worked in Georgia and Alabama back in them days. Dom Danucci, obviously, he was settled in Pittsburgh, but he wrestled all over the place. Frank, bad boy shields was Bull Bolinsky in the AW, the truck driver, in the AWD.

and Bruiser's WWA. I used to love his promos when I was a kid. It's Bull Bolinsky. Skull Murphy was the famous tag team partner of Brut Bernard and Skull-Mur-He committed suicide.

Did he not? Scull-Murphy? Or was it Brut? Which one? I feel like Skoll-Murphy had some sort of unseemly... Untimely... Or something... There was something.

I forget what it was. Lou Thess against Magnificent Maurice. Magnificent Maurice was a New York heel back in the turn of the 60s. But then, and Thess again would have fit in the central states, but then when you go World Tag Team title, Pedro Morales and Pepper Gomez against the stomper and Cyclone Negro, Morales and Gomez were a tag team in California, Stomper and Negro were both big back in the central states. But then for a title, Stevens against Ladd, that puts us in San Francisco at the

Cow Palace, because Ray Stevens was not defending the Central States title against Ernie Ladd at any point in time. And Pedro and Pepper wouldn't have been to World Tag Team Champions anywhere else. but I don't remember a lot of these guys work in any particular time period in San Francisco 1965 at the Cal Palace

well Jim it's the Cow Palace San Francisco, California June 3rd, 1967 Ah interesting car of a bitch really interesting car right? It is. And actually, I should have known that because

Stomper wouldn't have been, Stomper got over big at first in Calgary in the central states, but he wouldn't have been traveling that soon. And I don't know where Andrews and Starr are the interns yet, or were they about to be. One last program here, Jim, although this one's fun too. Yeah, one more Here's a loaded card. L. D. Lewis versus Larry Sharp. Pat Barrett versus Billy Ash.

Mike Pappas versus the Red Shadow. Tony Charles versus Dick Murdoch. Joe Leduc versus Baron Saccluna. Good Lord. I'm going to give you what's in the program, because there are a few names written in, but in the program.

Danny Hodge versus Bob Rup. Tony Perisi and Dominic Danucci versus Dick Slater and Mike McCord. A submission match, Jerry Briscoe, versus Dory Funk Jr. A Texas Bull Rope match. Good God. Dusty Rhodes versus Mongolian Stomper. And finally, I'll name it, World Heavyweight Championship match,

Jack Briscoe versus Cowboy Bill Watts. Lordy, Lordy, Lordy. Well, going down the list, Larry Sharp, we know, was the trainer of Bam Bam Bigelow, started the Monster Factory. He did a lot of jobs in the old WWWF, but he was on the road for this, as we will find out.

Irish Pat Barrett was a former WWWF tag team champion, right? And worked around the United States in the mid-70s. Bill Ash was known as the bootmaker, B&A boots, down there in Paris, Arkansas, the Golden Greek Mike Pappas, Tony Charles against Dick Murdoch. That had to be fucking. hilarious.

Complete clash of styles. Ladook against Sucluna. Holy shit. This was during Ladook's baby face period as the Canadian lumberjack. Danny Hodge and Bob Roup is a match that

Eddie Graham and or his brain trust would book to get a Woody over. Slater and Mike McCord Mike McCord would become Austin Idol after the wreck, the plane wreck crash, which means this was before,

and we'll get to that a minute, but before February, 1975, Tony Parisi and Dom Danucci, boy, I bet they were a hard sell in the Florida territory in the ring. Cherry Briscoe against Dory in a stipulation match, that puts us in Florida, as does Dusty and the Mongolian stomper.

as does Briscoe and Watts for the world title. And because Stomper would come to Knoxville and Memphis in 75, and Briscoe was still the NWA champion, I'm saying this was 1974 in, it has to be the St. Petersburg Bayfront Center. Oh, man. What? Well, the program was 50 cents.

Let's just say that. We're in Tampa. Son of a bitch. Tuesday, January 7th, 1975. The beginning of 70s. I was off by seven days and 20 miles. And for the record, written in here, for Billy Ash, written in as Gene Lewis, for Danny Hodge, written in as Boris Molenko, and for cowboy Bill Watts,

written in as Bob Rup. Oh, so their main event, Watts no-showed, so they had to take Rup off the undercard because he was over enough to challenge Briscoe for the title. Or did Rup work twice? Because I have here that Rube beat Mellenko and then Briscoe beat Rup. Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying. They put Rup over Malenko earlier on the card and then brought Rup back

because he was over enough at a level that you wouldn't have had a world title they wouldn't have given Dusty and Brisco away unadvertised and Dusty and Stomper's an angle main event anyway and so is Brisco and Dory so as of everybody else on the card

the only one that you would have put in an NWA title match at that point was Rup well this has been guest the program and I got close you did you did all right I think it's late in the day you've had a lot going on

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