Jocko Podcast - 104: How to Be Liked While Maintaining Discipline and Authority. Identify an Unclear Enemy. Improve Tact While Still Being Aggressive/Assertive.

Episode Date: December 13, 2017

0:00:00 - Opening 0:00:18 - How to lead laterally amongst peers were competition is prevalent.  0:04:47 - Dealing with Jiu Jitsu Schools with low-level training. 0:13:56 - How to improve tact while still being aggressive and assertive. 0:20:16 - Will Jiu Jitsu help with emotional bullying? And how? 0:30:32 - how to deal with bitter team members after you get promoted. 0:36:43 - How to prioritize and execute tasks that pile up quickly. 0:46:27 - How to deal with losing in Jiu Jitsu competition. 0:53:01 - How to still be liked while maintaining discipline and authority. 1:00:25 - How to identify an unclear enemy in life. 1:10:00 - Support: JockoStore stuff, Super Krill Oil and Joint Warfare, Origin Brand Apparel and Jocko Gi, with Jocko White Tea,  Onnit Fitness stuff, and Psychological Warfare (on iTunes). Extreme Ownership (book), The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual.  1:27:49 - Closing gratitude. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 104 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. We're going to go right into Q&A. Cool. I don't think there's anything to discuss. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it then.

It's Q&A. It's Q&A time. All right. Question number one. You discuss leading and maneuvering up and down the chain of command. But what about laterally within your own peer group where the competition for advancement is fiercest in your ability to set team objectives and implement some of the tools. you discuss is limited okay so you absolutely do have to lead laterally amongst your peers

and since you don't have rank or position you have to do it another way but wait a second since you shouldn't use rank or position to lead people below you in the chain of command and since you don't want to be led by someone that's throwing their rank and position around then guess what you need to do the same type of leadership that you would use up and down the chain of command to lead your peers. So what does that mean? That means you help that way. You support what they're doing. You try and build a relationship with them. That's what you try and do. Now this part of this that we're talking about their competitiveness. Like if they want to maneuver and try and make you look

bad and jump in the spotlight and try and get all the credit, guess what? It's fine. That's fine. let him do it and everyone is going to see what they're doing and they might not see it immediately but they will eventually be found out so do your best to support them do your best to help them do your best to build the relationship make the mission the most important thing not the little politics that you're about to dive into and get involved in don't make that the primary thing make the primary thing accomplishing the mission think about this if you start fighting with them, you're expending energy on fighting your own team. That's what you're doing.

Instead of fighting the enemy. This is a blue-on-blue situation. This is friendly fire. It's fratricide. Don't do that. Disengage from the friendly fire and focus on how to make the team win. Take the high ground. Take the high ground or the high ground will take you.

Okay. Another one of those points that we always say, I know I do. And I always think this where people are watching, man. They see that. They see all that stuff. Let's play this game too. You know the game where I play where like who would you hire? Who would you rather have working for you?

Who would you rather have working for you? The guy, the guy, oh, you got four guys. One guy is helping the other guys out trying to help them with their mission. One guy, the other end of the spectrum is undermining people and trying to make himself look good. Which guy are you going to promote? Yeah. All day long you know who you're going to promote. Yeah.

You're going to promote the guy that's trying to help the team win and not just look out for himself. Yep. Yeah, fully. That's it. And consider that with not just your boss, but like your peers as well. You know, even if there's competition, let's say everyone's competing. Well, yeah. And you're the guy who's jumping in the spotlight, always whatever, versus the other guy who's always helping everyone.

Right. Even if they're competing with you. For sure. The guy who's jumping in the spotlight, he's going to get ostracized, if anything. He is. You know, so man, yeah, they see that stuff, man. That goes socially. You know what?

Now, now, now answer me this. When someone sees the world this way, that means they have a tendency to think that way. That means they might have a tendency to act this way. So they got to be especially cautious. If you're looking at everyone like, well, I'm trying to compete with that guy. And if I might be getting screwed over if I don't, if I let him, you know, get the spotlight right now. If that's the way you're thinking, that's the way you're acting. And if you're acting that way, everybody can see it.

Yeah. Don't act that way. Don't act that way. Be a good team member. Yeah. The enemy is outside the wire. Yeah, that's a good one too where the good news about that is like, let's say you are acting that way.

As long as you can admit it to yourself, even if you do have those feelings inside, but you're like, hey, I don't want to act like that. And you start, even if it's kind of against your feelings. And then you start acting that way slowly and slowly your feelings kind of accommodate where you don't feel that way anymore. You'll start to feel that way less and less. realize how you should act as a human being as a team member as a leader as a follower yeah you'll grow up you'll mature you'll be a good person feel the benefits as opposed to just looking out for yourself schooling over the other team yeah the one's against me check kill or be kill next question my jiu jitsu school is small and i'm a white belt under three months and there are typically two or three blues and maybe a purple belt in the class with us when i train or spar with the blue and purple belts, I can win the advantage or submit them more than half the time.

They don't like me because of this. I like what my instructor is teaching, but I feel I need more of a challenge. Should I find a more competitive school? Your time is appreciated. Okay, so there's something very suspect going on here. There's something wrong with the school if you are a white belt that can submit blues and purples. And I don't know what the sign.

Maybe if you're 500 pounds or just a super athlete, but if you're a normal person, even if you wrestled in high school, even if you wrestled in college, and you've been training jiu-jitsu for three months, you should not be submitting purple belts. That should not be happening. Now there's a small chance,

a tiny, tiny chance that they're just being like so super cool that they're saying, oh, yeah, you know, oh, that was good. You know, you caught me my arm. They're just giving it and you're just too dumb to realize that. But since you're saying that they don't like you because you're submitting them, that that's very unlikely that they're just super nice.

So I think you may actually be in a fraudulent situation where the school is not a proper school. And I haven't heard one of these in a while. But a white belt should not be on the regular submitting a blue belt and definitely a purple belt or any purple belts. Yeah. If there's a massive size differential, it'd be an occasional occurrence. Yeah. But on the regular, it shouldn't be happening. Yeah.

Right? Correct. Yeah, I mean, unless, again, like there's maybe, maybe it's a small school, you know, there's, you know, a few people, maybe like some real old people or something like that. Maybe this guy. I don't know how big he is. Yeah. But let's say he was too. I'm getting real specific here.

Right. What if he's two? 225 solid 62 may or men might have been a college wrestler

Okay learned a few chokes guillotine You know head and arm Arm bar You know guys pick up arm So he's 225 college wrestler 62

And he knows basic submissions That that could be problematic And then the rest of the people There's maybe like a 65 year old, 130, 135, 145 pounds. Yeah.

Maybe, you know. If there's no extreme disparity between you and the other students, we have a problem. Yeah.

If there's an extreme disparity, even then, you should go look around because even if you're, even if you're 225 pounds, six foot two, wrestled in college, most purple belts should be able to handle you

if you've only been training for two months. Yes. yes yeah so yeah even three man I was not to say my situation so here's proof I'm not saying that but just an example I was two when I started I was 225 I'd say when I really settled into it I lost I got down to about two 15 220 and I was a white belt over three months by the way and I rolled with this guy George was his name you might remember I'm small teeny guy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah purple belt and And no chance I had with this guy.

And this is more than three months, by the way. This is after I started competing in everything. George was good, too. Yeah, purple belt. He's the one who taught me by the way, him and Jimmy. But yeah, no chance. A purple belt like him, you have no chance against. Yeah, but this is not a big guy.

This is a guy, he's about five, six, not, you know. I think he might be smaller than five, six. Yeah, he's a small guy. I light. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great example. That's a great example.

I'm trying to think. I mean, when I started Jiu-Soo, I was, was 215 pounds Who was bigger than you? 215 pounds and Dean was a blue belt just got his blue belt Yeah and I had no chance

Yeah you know what I mean Yeah and he and oh and by the way I forgot to mention Dean weighed 174 pounds Yeah so yeah Yeah it's very similar Yeah you'd have to like yeah the disparity between the two Would would have to be a lot a lot So what do you think it is then?

I think like it might be a fraudulent school Like how like what? The instructor the instructor's not a real black belt The instructor knows he's watched enough YouTube To show an arm lock and he can actually do it on the purple belt Because he's bigger and stronger or something Yeah, and he knows it a little bit better Because let's face it, if you if you're a if you watched YouTube

And you studied as hard as I could as you could and you owned a school Yeah And you trained all the time You could be a blue belt level And then you can be a blue belt level and then you can be beat the other blue belts that you taught. Yeah. And then gave the blue belt because you gave yourself a black belt.

That's probably what's going on. Yeah. That's crazy. Whoever this is, hit me up again and tell me what your school is. Yeah. On Facebook, you boh. Yeah. Or whatever this question.

Once you do that and once you, you know, and I don't know, I don't know, I mean, is that like a, is that a hard move to be like, hey, this is my school and put it out there, you know? And here's my instructor. I mean, on one hand, you want to think if the instructor is legit, no, no, no problem. No, well, that's what I would want to know. I'd want to, if the guy wasn't legit, I don't know what I do. I don't have a plan for that.

But if the guy was legit, I'd come back on here and say, oh, here's the situation. Yeah. We found out that this is what's going on. Yeah. You are a 6-2-285-pound collegiate NCAA champion wrestler. And you studied Samba or J-Mbo or Judo under their belt. Yep, it's true. But you wouldn't even be asking this question if you had that under your belt.

you know the answer. Yeah, that's true too. Yeah, man. So yeah, I think, yeah, the chance of that is fair. It's a fair chance. Fraudulent situation. It's crazy. I haven't seen too many of those lately. Yeah, because that's a rare thing. Yeah, the internet can mop those up now. Yeah. It used to be all kinds of fraudulent schools. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, think about it. The internet is all over everything. Oh, yeah. You get even a halfway fraudulent person. Yeah. It's like, okay, is this guy fragile? You know what I mean? It's like, man, you're really held to the coals. So I don't know. Maybe. it up yeah I was gonna say she we have some kind of thing on our website where we have if you're a legit school like a jaco approved school in theory is how many times a day do you

get asked I live in Tennessee where should I train I live in Chicago where should I churned how many times do you get to ask that a day half so every other day is is that about average okay I get asked more than that I get asked a lot yeah more than you maybe not tons more but definitely I get asked repeatedly. Yeah. Where should I train? I live in Jacksonville, Florida. Where should I train?

I live in wherever, Concord, New Hampshire. Where should I train? I live in Salt Lake City, Utah. You know what I mean? People are always asking that. Yeah, the only risk with that is like, okay, so first off, we don't know all the schools. We probably don't even know half the schools.

And just because you say you're under Hickson, it doesn't mean you're legit. You know, so it's like this like that? So we'd have to have some sort of an approval process. Yeah. And then at the end of the day, let's say you approve, I don't know. Some place and then something bad happens.

Yeah, people will see it. Or no, no, no. Or people will be like, okay, here's the page or the website or whatever. They'll be like, okay, this school that I'm like looking at, I like it, but it's not on this list. I don't know. We didn't get to it kind of thing. And then it gets kind of like the ding, you know, in that way. It shouldn't be that much of a problem, by the way.

There's not that many fraudulent schools. We're talking about one right now, possibly, but there's not many out there. Although there are some. Yeah. They're like. They're in strip malls. You drive by like a strip mall and you see something. then that says jiu-jitsu i mean

now there's legit schools in strip malls too that's true comprito school is a strip-ball and he's as legit as he gets so it's hard you know i don't know but yeah the there's actually strip malls is actually the normal place for jitzy schools now that i think about it yeah there's a lot of gracy place yeah yeah his one is straight up in the mall oh and um that's not a strip mall then a mall yeah a mall mall i'm gonna have to go visit comprito yeah If you watch that video I did with him for Metamores a long time ago,

so I forget if it was in the outtakes or not, but there's this cool, you know those trains that go around the mall for the kids? He's like, I hate the Chutu Train because it always comes to by my academy. That's funny, especially because he's a nice guy, you figured he'd be like, I love that truth, you strange. That's exactly how he said it. That's how he sounded, but he says, I hate it. Meanwhile, he's smiling and laughing.

It's very interesting. Dikotomy. Cool. Yeah, more information needed on this academy. Next question. I am seen at work as a very assertive and aggressive dude And I seem to rub people the wrong way When they think I'm upset or frustrated at problems they present

Which is rarely the case I'm just so fired up How do I work on my cact while still being assertive with my team? You know what? I'm fired up too How you like that? And when I was young This is When I was young sure I rubbed some people wrong

way. I know that. Even when I was a young kid working on a construction site, guess what I was doing? Working too hard. Making people rubbing people the one way. When I got to the team, there was a little crew of us that were too hardcore. We were too fired up. I would run the O-course with my, with a rucksack with a 40-pound sandbag in it. No one was doing that. Like everyone does it now, but back then there was a small crew of us that were doing it, running with jungle boots all the time instead of in sneakers and I literally got pulled aside by some of the old guys and by old guys I don't mean nom I mean old guys from wherever you know from the from the 90s or the late 80s and you know I'd get the hey you just need to calm down dude yeah you know you need to do that

and so yeah maybe I wrote those guys a little bit the wrong way understandable but when I got a little older and a little bit more mature. I got fired up to actually do a good job as a leader to actually build relationships with my platoon mates. And I got fired up for people to, instead of thinking that I was upset or frustrated, what I was fired up was I wanted people to think that I was calm and cool and collected. So how's that for totally different? It's like when we say default aggressive.

Yeah. And I always say, hey, you're not being. Aggressive and this isn't being aggressive towards your people. It's not yelling. It's being aggressive towards your mission. I was I'm aggressive towards making people think that I'm not upset and that no matter what's going on that they go man Jockwood's he's not gonna lose his temper he's super level headed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Now now that being shed, that doesn't mean that I was passive. That doesn't mean that I wasn't assertive. It means that I was aggressive and assertive, but I did it with tact and instead of coming to people straight on, I flanked them. I have listened to their little ideas or I made their ideas come from me, but they didn't know it. I listened to their solutions. I helped and support it. You go so far just by helping people out and helping them with their idea instead of trying to control them and make everything your idea.

So that's my advice here. Relax. Calm down. Focus. Get fired up. Get aggressive about being tactful. Get aggressive about working with people. Get aggressive about showing your calmness.

That's what you get aggressive about. Don't get assertive aggressive and create antagonistic relationships across your company. Yeah. Check? Yeah. Sounds good. He said he gets, or they think he gets upset or frustrated at problems that they present. which is rarely the case he said he said I'm just fired up so it's it's it seems like and I'm no

expert but I'm trying to put myself in this position where like I think maybe like it it's just a presentation thing you know like well yeah definitely is a presentation is aggressive like he's saying he's not even getting frustrated no he's I'm getting frustrated with him for acting this right yeah yeah aggressive like a mindset yeah it's definitely it's definitely it's definitely a presentation thing, no doubt about it. Yeah. But so that means you say, okay, I'm presenting the wrong thing. I will fix what I'm presenting.

Yeah. Do you think, actually, I think you do think this or know this or whatever. You know how people, they'll get nuts or whatever. They'll be aggressive. They get fired up, right? And, you know, whether it be they'll lose their temper or they're behaving a way, that's that's aggressive towards people and

their justification is not to say that this guy does this I don't know but I'm just saying their justification is I'm just passionate about it I'm just whatever you know yeah is that that's just a justification right it is because

yeah like if at the end of the day it is it's a justification it is also a reality so think about it from the other perspective if you're dealing with someone If you have someone on your team that gets all, that they're passionate about something. And it can be problematic if they don't learn to control their passions, right?

Because they just get, hey, we're going to make this happen. And they make bad decisions because they're so passionate about making something happen that they're not doing something logical. So yes, you could say it's just an excuse. And there's no such thing as a passionate person. But that actually wouldn't be true. It's not an excuse. It's a real thing.

Now, if you are aware of that, then why do you keep acting that way? You got to put your passions into check. That's what you got to do. 100%. Yeah. And I meant more like it's an excuse for their behavior. You know, like to me, I personally, I think that being passionate about something that you're into is good. Way beneficial.

Of course. But again, you know how to say like there's a difference between what you feel and how you behave, you know? So if you're, if you're super passionate about something, it doesn't justify like all this irrational or emotional or like loss of temper situation behavior you see what I'm saying so you know yeah be passionate but don't behave in some crazy off the handle way agree so I think that they use their passion as an excuse for their behavior I just got a quick temper man yeah yeah yeah doesn't mean that you can act like well that's worse that's oh yeah that's a double it's the same deal yeah same thing exactly right yeah that's just I am I'm unique in that way next question my wife told me that she thinks

Our 11-year-old daughter is being bullied emotionally by some girls at school. As I drove into work, I wondered if Jiu-Jitsu would give her some tools to help her deal with emotional stress and or bullying that might be taking place. I think we all know the answer that Jock will give to this question. Absolutely. Jiu-Jitsu will help 11 years old as a perfect age for getting in there. And she will learn to defend herself for real in physical confrontations, which will give her. for real confrontation, which will give her confidence, because let's face it, emotional and verbal bullying

is absolutely backed up by a either clear message of possible violence or a subliminal message of possible violence, right? I mean, a big girl that's getting picked on, the underlying message is there, the implied message is there that it could, It could go physical if it had to. And when that gets removed,

because the daughter knows how to now fight and defend herself, that starts to impact these emotional bullies as well. So, yes, absolutely. Get her training. I would throw some boxing in there, too, just because that is a pretty empowering thing. You're plunging something that feels good. And you know what?

While we're at it, let's get some working out going on, right? Get a pull-up bar. Get away the warrior kid. No kidding. And absolutely get her way of the warrior kid. Don't baby her too much. Yeah. You got to be careful of that because she's your daughter and you say,

oh, you know, it's so horrible. And these girls are picking it. Don't do that. Because guess what? She's going to be dealing with this her whole life. You're going to be, there's always bullies in every environment. In the school environment, in the work environment, in everywhere, there's bullies. And she's going to have to deal with them.

So don't, don't baby her where she thinks that you're the one that's going to save her from it. And I also think she should know that everyone gets bullied. I got asked that when Way the Warrior Kid came out. Someone said, did you get bullied? And they think, of course, I would never get bullied because I'm a big dude. Well, guess what? When I was nine years old, I was a scrawny little nine-year-old kid. And everybody that was 11 was bigger than me and stronger than me.

And then when I was 11, everyone that was 13 was bigger than me than stronger than me. And when I was 14, everyone that was 16 was bigger than me and stronger than me. So no matter who you are as a kid, there's always somebody that's bigger and stronger than you that's going to bully you if they're a jerk. So I think she should understand that she's getting bullied right now, but that's that happens to people and people get over it and get through it. And I do think you have to be, when you say that, you can't leave the impression. You can't overwhelm her and say everyone gets bullied and you're going to always get bullied. in the office all you know what I mean I'm not saying to overwhelm her I think that's just like there's a there's a there's a lot did you ever see the movie the professional which one was it

the French guy oh yeah yeah and Leon yeah there's a great scene in that movie where the girl is there's like a crazy fight going on between her parents in the apartment they're yelling at each other they're screaming it's slapping people the domestic violence is going on and she comes out and she's sitting in the hallway and she's crying and the assassin guy kind of walks up the stairs and she looks and he looks at her and she looks at him and she says is life always like this or does it get better when you get older and he looks at her and says always like this yeah so you got to be careful that that's not the message that you're sending now there's some reality to that statement like yeah guess what life is always

going to be hard and you do want to give your kids enough exposure to the hard thing so that they're not weak. Yeah. And they don't, they don't go into panic mode when something tough enters their world. So that's why things like Jiu-Jitsu and working out are good and exposing them and letting them experience some hard things.

But again, you just don't want to overwhelm her. And that's that. And by the way, you might as well start training Jiu-Jitsu too. Their dad. Get mom in there too. Yeah,

now you've got an excuse to get down in that. Jim get your jitzy on and I know you that you don't train jiu jitzers because if you did you wouldn't be asking this question you'd be getting getting her training yeah yeah you making that happen so you emotionally bullied right so this is interesting she's in the new warrior kid book the bully there's a bully in there but he's not a bully like Kenny williamson who's a big strong bully he's a bully that's an emotional bully he kind of is and every time there seems like there's going to be a confrontation he finds a way to weasel out of it Yeah, you know, so he'll harass people, but then he'll get out of it

Harass people he knows perfectly how to push the buttons. That's what Mark's dealing with is a kid named Nathan James So vaguely familiar Nathan James causes problems Yeah, there's some layers in that name for sure That I so this this makes a lot of sense to me because I have a daughter Four and a half by the way goes to pre-k It's like preschool pre-k is that the jiu-jitsu school? She goes no No No, bro

Anyway, so she told me one day She said that her friends, I'm not gonna say their name doesn't matter She said this friend told me that she's not my friend She's only this other girl's friend That's emotional that's emotional bullying right there right for the four and a half year old version of yeah by the way so it gets way worse at 11 by the way and then probably way worse at 15, 16. It's just my assumption. So what I told her, not to say

this is the right answer, but maybe it's something to think about. So my daughter does Jiu-Jitsu, has done Jiu-Jitsu. Double-leg, choke. I like it. Well, that's what you want to say. Oh, you'd smash it, and she's bigger too. She's bigger than everyone in her side. Oh, so she's going to be able to. No.

All right, so what did you tell her? My daughter's trained to be a nice brook. So I always have this underlying thing. No matter if someone beats mean to you, that doesn't mean you be mean to them. That makes you a mean person. I said, mean people will be mean to other people. Nice people tend to not be mean to other people, right?

That's really real basic stuff. It's fundamental. But she's for it. So you just keep reminding her. So I told her, hey, look, if she doesn't want to be your friend, then she's not your friend. And that's okay. Does that mean you be mean to her?

No. but at the end of the day, she, I said, are you stronger than her? And she said, yeah. I said, are you smarter than her? She said, yeah. I don't know if she is there isn't. Here's the thing. It's a self-empowering thing, just like how you said, where she knows jihitsu.

She's smarter. She's stronger. She can do more pull-up. She can do more burpees and stuff like that. All this stuff, it starts to form in her head. Hopefully, this is the goal. Yeah. Hopefully it'll form in her head that if they don't want to be my friend, that's okay.

That's no loss to me. Maybe if someone who is strong like me, smart like me, and whatever like me didn't want to make, okay, maybe that's something, but this isn't the case, you know? It's kind of that idea. I think that's good advice. I think the thing of just saying, oh, yeah, that's okay. Not everyone's going to want to be your friend.

That's okay. And some people are going to like you and some people aren't going to like you. That's okay. You just be nice to everyone. That's fine. Yeah. I got to ask that question, but when we did the one warrior kid podcast, a bunch of people asked,

I feel like people don't want to hang around with me And I was like, yeah, that's okay That's okay You don't need to hang around with people all the time I don't I don't like even like hanging around with people I didn't say that because I don't want to turn everyone Anti-social person like me but Yeah that makes it

And that thing I think you just said where Because my daughter always asks You know did people not want to be your friend Or would she like bump her head real hard She'd like did you used to bump her head real hard She was like, did you used to bump your head when you were little? You know, she always wants to know, like, am I alone in this whole deal?

And, man, it seems like it really helps when I say, no, I used to do all the time. I show her, like, my scars and stuff like that. And she'll be like, oh, and you can tell she feels better about it. That's pretty cool. It's weird. I think that would help with a bullying thing. And it's good. Your daughter's smart.

And so she has the capability of formulating that question. I bet a lot of kids might not be able to even say, hey, did you bump your head too? Whereas a parent, if you just recognize that they probably feel alone. And so if you say, oh, I know you bumped your head. I used to bump my head too one time. Look, I got a scar on my head. It happened to me too. So they don't make your kids beg for a partner in the world.

Give it to them. Yeah. Follow the Echo Charles model of parenting. And that makes sense too now that I'm thinking of it. Because like even as an adult, okay, so you got a kid. And they're like, hey, did you, I don't know. Did you bump your head like this and get blood on your head or whatever when you're little?

And you're like, you're like, yeah. And if you add this and this is how I dealt with it, right? Because a lot of times like, you give them a little path. Yes, exactly right. So you got, you know, you got this poor little kid. They bumped her head and it's like, dang, I don't even, I've never felt this before. There's a lot of pain. There's blood.

Hope that's scary. I don't know really how to deal with it. Right. So, of course, you go to your dad. And then your dad's like, yeah, hey, yeah, I've done it. This is how I did it. This is how I dealt with it. And she's like, okay, maybe I can deal with it.

And even adult because adults, we do that too. you know like dang I'm getting I don't know audited yeah I'm getting audited the first time whatever Jocco hey you know or you know your friend or whatever is like hey I got audited

and this is what you can expect this is like how you deal with it and all this stuff and boom you feel better about it indeed and more empowered and that's on top of the jiu jihitsu if I got audited I would way rather no jiu jitza than not by the way

yeah yeah check next question I've got a leadership situation I need help with I was promoted to a troop commander position over a fellow team leader who now reports to me. He has many years of experience and a lot of knowledge.

He's very bitter and not getting the promotion and is letting me know. When I include him in decision making for the troop or try to tap into his knowledge and experience, he shuts down, refuses to give input and says that I should already have the answer since I'm the troop commander. I know the troop would benefit from his input and team dynamics would be much improved if it wasn't so negative. I've tried to let him know that I value his experience. I feel that his input would be beneficial and that his negative attitude and bearing are

not acceptable. It is making him very ineffective team leader. I'm failing at getting through to him and I don't want to fire him for his position. How can I get him to value his own position in the troop and because, become effective again. Okay, I actually think you're doing the right thing, and you've opened the door for him, so I think that's a good first initial approach, but obviously doesn't seem to be working. Now, a couple different courses of actions you could take.

One of the things you could do is actually give him some higher responsibility, right? Put his team in charge, put him in charge the whole team sometimes. Maybe he will step up and start to lead and see that he's now able to prove and that you have a lot of trust in him and all that stuff. There's also a chance. Think about this. there's also a chance that you might be coming off as condescending to him. So imagine this.

Hey, Echo, I value your experience. Oh, no, right? You know, the troop would really benefit from your input. It's like you're treating him like he's a kid and he's getting, those can come off as condescending. So we have to put those a little bit in check as well. And I think those are a little bit, you know, you put the person in charge, you try that. You've opened up to try and get their input. and get them involved, but it's, it might be coming,

it might be coming across as condescending. Even if it's, even if you're doing it, even if you're just saying, hey man, could really use your input on this thing. It'd be great. Even if you're doing it in like a cool way, in your mind, you might be hearing, oh, I could really use your help. So even if you're saying it in a perfect way,

it still might be hitting his ears in a different way. So I don't know. At this point, I think what I would do is I would maybe just back off. I would just go forward, treating him like one of the leaders and expect him to perform as you expect your leaders to perform. I think you've made the effort. It didn't really work.

And now you have a job to do and you've got to get on with it. There's also, you know, the world doesn't revolve around his pouting and his being negative. And you can't let that happen. Now, on top of that, this guy's a powder and he's a negative guy. That's probably the reason he didn't get selected to be promoted. What we talked about earlier, the boss saw that. He saw something along the way where things didn't go his way and he and he pouted into his negative and that's why he didn't get promoted Meanwhile the guy that did get promoted when things didn't go his way. He's like okay cool we'll we'll drive on with what the new plan is and that's why you got promoted

So I would say move on Do your job treat him like you would treat one of your leaders Be very careful that you don't overcorrect Because you hear me say like okay. I'm gonna treat him normal now of a sudden you're treating him like crap don't do that but treat him as firmly and as fairly as you would any one of your subordinate leaders and we have to see where it goes from there. He may end up just not being able to deal with this fact. I mean, there's a reason why some people get promoted and some people don't. And maybe he's one of these people that can't humble himself, which is one of our biggest fears in somebody that's trying to be a leader is that they can't humble themselves.

And if that's what's going on, he's going to have a long, hard road. And you know whose fault it's going to be? Never his. Never going to be his fault. It's going to be everyone else's fault. And that'll be problematic. That's a tough one right there. Yeah, because in his mind, straight up that like you're condescending.

You don't deserve it. I deserve it. You know, and now you're kind of throwing it in my face. Yeah, he's already lacking humility. How's this? One time in football in. It was junior varsity football. and we're suiting up to play a game right and my brother jade he was he's really good so he you know you know

how you have that one guy especially in junior varsity have the one guy who makes the majority of the touchdowns and all that stuff jade was that guy so we're suiting up and one of our team guys on the team he was he was he was the thing is but he wasn't very value he wasn't very athletic you you know um and they kind of played the same position jade was running back he was a running back too i think this guy was a full back though i don't know i forget um anyway so he goes he goes to jade oh time to show off again yeah holy cow so you imagine the mindset it's the same that guy probably has the same kind of mindset absolutely so it's like man it's like you can't even if you are doing the right thing so you said like saying everything all cool in his ears it sounds different in his

ears it sounds different. Just showing off again. Yep. So sometimes when someone isn't going to hear your words correctly, sometimes it's best not to say a name. Yeah, sometimes just keep the mouth shut. And you ever been in an argument with someone,

but you're completely trying to de-escalate it? And every single thing you said is getting taken the wrong way. Be quiet, listen, nod your head and agree. You know, like you're not going to convince someone. You're not going to get through to them. They're too emotional. This guy's too negative. and everything you say is going to be heard differently and not in a positive way.

Yeah, yeah. Kind of what you call it, opportunity cost of addressing it is just too much. Next question. I'm often given tasks on the fly, whereas many of my tasks are given as a result of meetings. These days, an increasing number are coming from emails or my manager or client asking me to do something. I find myself quite disorganized when dealing with. this. I'm writing things down when I'm told, but it's all over the place. Post-its, notebook, phone, etc. I don't have a solid method of keeping track of these things. I'm guessing that a possible

solution is to write all these things down in the same place, but I've also tried that and didn't really make a difference. I'd appreciate any input or advice you have on how to record and track objectives in a functional and a reliable manner, as I'm subjected to a lot of information each day, week, month. I'm definitely overloaded to remember it myself. Discipline equals freedom. So, yeah, a few things.

First of all, definitely write the things down in one place. And it sounds like, since you're moving all the time or you're going to meetings, carry just a nice little notebook with you and write the things down as you get tasked with them.

Then on top of that, you have to have a master list of some kind. Either paper or digital. I'm going to probably, recommend digital to track things overall in a prioritized method. So if you get to have something in a meeting in your little notebook, you come back, you put it in the right place in the master task list. And then, like twice a day, consolidate the information that's in the little notebook you have into the big master list. And then before you go to bed at night, you

organize those things by priority on the master list. You put the most important thing at the top, and that's what you're going to attack the next day. That's part one on how you get these things organized. Now, the part two is you've got to schedule this stuff. And actually, I always say this. When people have trouble with tasks, put them on the calendar.

Actually, Jamie does that for me. When Jamie's got something for me to do, she just doesn't email me and say, hey, you need to do this. She puts it on the calendar. So I look at my calendar. Boom, there it is. I got to go do this, whatever this task is, done.

So put these things on your calendar, and that includes scheduling time on your calendar so that you can have time to consolidate your lists and do a review of your lists. You know, whether that probably takes 15 minutes to do. And I guess there's a bunch of apps you can use, and I'm sure people will make recommendations, but there's a ton of to-do list apps, including there's one. There's native ones on all the different phones. So you could look at that as a possible. A voice recorder.

You can either use the voice recorder app you have or you can carry around a little mini voice recorder. Then you can just take notes with that and then you consolidate those notes from your voice recorder into your master task list every day. And then you just got to prioritize and execute. That's it. Pretty straightforward.

Write the stuff down. Put little box. I always put little boxes in front of everything. Yeah. Do you understand? Like, when I have a task, I put a little box in front of it so I can check it.

Yeah. Yeah. It makes, bro, you're obviously, compared to me a master at that, like all that is like, dang,

you can do all that. Bro, I'm on the fly just like this guy, this person, straight up, like on the fly and new stuff comes up. You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at how much more you could get done

if you actually made a list of things you're supposed to do. How's this? how's this? I make a list and I still trying to nail it down. I'll make a list. I even, okay,

so I have a book that Jamie gave me, by the way, a book, a to-do list book. And then I have... She was trying to encourage good habits.

I think so. And then I have my phone. And then I have this, oh, and then I have just a regular thing on the paper. And then I do this thing where I'll open word

and have it on my side screen and I'll put the list there for the day. It'll just be up staring me at my face. And strangely that has proven to be the best one because I'm doing, and here I see my mistake right now that I'm telling you this. I put it on the book

that Jamie gave me, right? My to-do list. I put it there and then. You don't consolidate your lists. It's on that book. There's one on the phone which is different now, by the way. In a master list. There's some apps that make so it doesn't matter if you put it in your phone if you put it in your computer. I mean, obviously, if it's on paper,

you need to transpose it into a digital format. But there's things that do that. Yeah, you need to consolidate a list. You need a master list of things that you're trying to do. And then I need to attach myself as far as the routine goes to look at that list. You know how like... That's why you schedule it, which is what I just said. That's why you put it on your schedule.

Hey, every day when I sit down for lunch, I'm going to do a five-minute review of my list and make sure I'm on track. That gives you the afternoon. to catch up on anything you might have missed. And just get rid of my other list. Because half of it is me trying different methods out right in the middle of carrying out one other method. Yeah.

There's a bad thing about trying different, trying to combine a bunch of different methods. What you're doing when you do that is you're looking for the easiest way. And I'll tell you the funniest, clearest example of that when Dean first started fighting and he was going through his various stages of trying to figure out how to cut weight. And he already cut weight. He cut weight in high school as a wrestler. He knew how to cut weight. But what happened is people would come along and say,

hey, there's this trick, there's that trick, and there's this trick, and there's that trick. And he would try all these little tricks out. And he would try them at the same time. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what I'm doing. Yeah. And that's exactly.

And guess what? You don't, when you try all these different, because what you're really doing, you're looking for that. Something that sounds easy, go, yep, I'll do that. It was the, you know, for Dean, it was like, oh, I'll go in the, Epsom salt bath in the hot tub and then it was oh you know and I'll drink just

distilled water for X amount of days and it's all these which all these things are viable right we know that they're viable options but there's you have to use them in conjuncts they have to be you have to you can't just like pull the pull whatever little piece you want yeah and think you're gonna be good to go no you've got to do you got to follow the system yeah take one and go with it kind of yeah and what you're trying to do is you're looking for things that sound the easiest and that's what you're trying to do yeah right in the middle of easy path we don't like the easy path over here but meanwhile like you got three different paths all effective meanwhile you're jumping from one path to the other and you're not even getting

there that's exactly what I'm doing with my to do list I have like four to do list okay you need a to do list that says consolidate all your to do list that's step number one then I got to remember that I'm checking then I got to remember to check it because you know how Yeah, because you always have that to-do list in your brain. You always do, you know, you're like, oh, I got that thing. By the way, the one in my brain is real solid. What? Like, the to-do list in my brain is really, really solid.

Yeah. Like, I know what I have to do. Yeah. The only, the, the things I have to write down are things that are outside the, outside the parameters of daily situations. Like, let's say there's some admin thing that only comes up. Well, if it comes out super rarely, I'll remember it. It's an admin thing that comes up once every quarter.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I probably won't remember that. It's not so far outside that I'll remember, and it's not in the routine, so I don't remember it. So I've got to write that thing now. That's what's on my list. So do you write down the list that's in your head on the written list? I'll write down the things that I know are subject to being forgotten.

Because the other things, I don't forget them. Yeah, so you're just boom, boom, hard, like confident. You're not going to forget them. If I have a, let's say I'm going on a trip of a kind, like if I'm going on a regular trip, if I'm going to go to a company that I work with, and they're in Atlanta, and I'm going to fly out there for three days.

I don't even, I don't even have to think about that. Everything that I do is, is the work I'm doing, the prep I'm doing, everything I do is this standard. It's a standard operating, but even the things I'm going to bring with me. It's the same.

I went on a one day trip to Vegas the other day, like in and out. I didn't even stay the night. And I had the same suit. that I take when I go on a five-day trip. Like it doesn't matter to me. I'm not changing any standard operating procedures. Yeah.

I got there and they said, aren't you leaving today? I said, yeah. He said, why did you bring a suitcase? This is how I, this is how I travel. This is the standard operating procedure for me. I'm not deviating from it, whether I'm going for one day, like a nine-hour trip to Vegas or a five-day trip to Atlanta. Guess what?

It doesn't matter. I'm carrying the same thing because that's what I do. So if it's something like that, I don't need to, don't even need things. Some things don't make my list because there are. in my head and my list in my head is solid. It's things that are outside the bounds of the standard operating procedures. Those are things that'll make the list.

Yeah. And that makes sense for this question. This kind of this question because he's getting stuff on the fly. He's getting stuff on the fly. He's got up. He's got to write this stuff down. Yeah. I think,

yeah, I think we're all kind of the same way in that way where you're going to have one, two, maybe three things on your mind. That no way I'm going to forget this, you know, kind of thing. But, man,

those lists, though, you got to, you really got to choose one path and stick with it. And then remember it. That's the thing. I think that's my problem. I know that. Next question.

How did you deal with losses in Jiu Jitsu? Jiu Jitsu day today. Losses. Assuming in a tournament, right? I just had my first tournament and got the floor wiped with me. Yeah, welcome to Jiu Jitsu. Yeah,

the obvious thing is you got beat, good, you learned. I think we've, I think we've gone through that one. And then really, you know, how did you get beat? What areas are we? you weekend, then you analyze

and improve in those areas. And that's jujitsu, right? Don't dwell in your loss, but learn from it and move forward. And actually, speaking of Dave Burke, I was talking to Dave Burke

and he was explaining to me his psychological current status in Jiu-Jitsu. So he's however he's basically my age I'm 46 he might be 45 or something like that but he's been

basically a master of kind of everything he's done you know what I mean I mean he's like factually if you look at his life he's been Top Gun Top Gun instructor

he was telling me that during Operation Southern Watch which was pre, you know, post first Gulf War, pre-9-11. He was the, he was one of the very, very, very few guys that actually dropped a live bomb. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, back in the day where no one had any experience.

He was a guy that had really, really done it. And then he was top gun, top gun instructor. You know, you're just, and then F-35, F-22, just all that stuff that he's done. And he was telling me that like if he thinks about it, he gets a little bit bummed out because he's just starting Jiu-Jitsu right now. And obviously it's in his head. And he's thinking, oh, well, I'm never going to reach the highest level that I should or could.

Yeah. If I had started younger. And so he, it's almost like if he thinks about that too much, it's almost like, well, then I'm just not going to do it. You know what I mean? But he immediately was like, of course, I know that. I'm going to do it and I'm going to be as good as I can. But, you know, that's also the way life is, right?

Yeah. Just like when you, how do you deal with losing in life? You learn from your mistakes. You move on. You don't dwell. It's the same thing as jiu-jitsu. You study your weaknesses. You figure out what you can do.

You fix those problems. You move forward. Don't dwell in the past. That's it. Yeah. Got beat, good. Yeah. I actually put it into perspective even more.

where okay so this is just an assumption I know I just had my first tournament I'm assuming white belt maybe blue belt okay I'm assuming yep you know it just doesn't seem like at brown belt or something you're asking this question oh you're not in your first tournament

yeah typically but you never know but you wouldn't have this in your mind where it's like how do you deal with loss you won't have that in your mind as a brown belt like you know it's a little bit more clear anyway so unless you

you this has like scarred you for life I lost and I'll never compete ever again kind of thing I think this is this is a good way to think of it where you know how it's like I don't know your first girlfriend in like junior high or something dumped you like at the time it seems like dang I got dumped or whatever and then when you're an adult you're like oh my gosh same thing in jihitsu so like when you're a white belt and you lost your first you know as a white belt and you're, you know, I don't know, a blue belt, purple belt, brown belt, black belt, whatever.

And you're thinking about your first tournament, you're like, oh my gosh, who cares? It doesn't matter at all. And really when you kind of put into perspective, unless you want to dedicate your life to competing, the tournaments don't really mean anything. It's just fun. And if you take the fun out of it

by putting everything on that one tournament that you're currently doing, you probably won't want to do it. And you'll kind of think that that's kind of what competing is about. It's not. So if you're, if you lose your first tournament, my first match in my first tournament, I lost.

I didn't get the floor wiped with me, but that's a common thing. You think back on it, and not only do you, well, I think you'll always remember the first one, but as far as like whether you won or loss, it doesn't matter at all.

Totally doesn't matter at all. And you'll find that the more you compete, the less it'll matter. And then, Jetsu'jit competition really, unless you're like really dedicating your life to being, you know,

competitor. Jiu jit juxtrications, you're going to win some and you're going to lose some. You're going to win them. You're going to learn. Yeah. And you learn and you learn, oh my gosh, that doesn't work if I don't time it correctly. Or dang, that doesn't work because that's not a real submission. I only do it to smaller guys and they tap because it's uncomfortable kind of thing.

But in turn of it doesn't, you learn these kind of things, you know, but it's not even going to matter. Like dealing with the loss, it's not even going to be a factor because you're just going to know that's just part of it. And really, who cares when you're. It's kind of just starting out, you know. Like, if you ask, like, a top-level black belt competitor, you know, did you win? Ask Hoyler.

Okay. Hoyler, right? He tells the story about him and Hoyce. Went into their first competition. Their dad said, if you win, I'll give you $10. If you lose, I'll give you $20. So it takes the pressure off. Like, it's not that big of a deal.

You know, if you lose, boom, you know, it's all good. That's what that was for. And Hoyler lost. Hoist won, Hoyler lost. He got the 20 bucks. And he's like, sure, I would have, you know, had the. Hoyler, one of the greatest legendary guys lost his first one. Yeah.

Puts it in perspective. It doesn't matter at all. It got $20. You're not always going to get the $20. But just saying, yeah, it doesn't matter. It won't matter. And you're going to think, same thing like high school. Like the stuff that happens in high school, when it happens, it seems like it's a big deal.

but then when you're an adult, you're like, uh, you know, it happens as an adult. It's cool. It's a cool memory, but, you know, could have been better. Anyway,

next question. Hello, Mr. Willing. I'm currently deployed to Iraq as an E6 in the army. I have listened to your podcast and really enjoy your stuff, especially discipline equals freedom. I know as a sergeant and as a leader, your focus isn't to be liked.

However, your soldiers should respect you, respect both you and your rank. My question is, how do you tell your soldiers to do the small stuff, tedious stuff, like taking out the trash and still be liked? All right. Well, first of all, if we want to get respect from people, we have to give them respect for sure. Think about this. Think if you took out the trash sometime.

You know, think if you're the boss, but you see that the trash is getting overfilled and you just grab it and take it out. Just think about what that does. Think about what that does the attitude of the guys. If you took out the trash, you, you, maybe in your mind you think you'd be losing respect, but you actually wouldn't be at all. Yeah. In fact, everyone looks at you and goes, oh, he's a good guy. He's taking out the trash.

It was a little full. And he's taken care of it. So maybe if you're insecure, you'd think you'd lose respect. But I think if you're secure in your ability to lead and if you know that doing some tedious stuff is going to make you guys appreciate you, then to me that means it's kind of worth Yeah, fully. Right. Another example, you know, we talk about taking out the trash, but like, what if the

platoon space has to be cleaned? And on Friday, you just say, hey, guys, you guys can go ahead and roll out. I got this. Right? There's a chance they're like, hey, boss, we're not leaving. Yeah, yeah. No, we'll help you. Of course, there's a chance to be like, oh, that's awesome.

Thanks, boss. And they bail. Over time that might be if they don't respect you at all they might bail Now in order to regain the respect do you make them stay and boss them around more? Does that increase the respect for you? You see how interesting it is? Instead if you go hey guys. That's cool. I'll do it And you're working hard and you still got to maintain the discipline and you don't take any slack But at the you it's the same balance the balance we talk about all the time

So the more that you treat them with respect, the more they're going to respect you. And they're going to know that you're not too high and mighty. They're going to know that you're down to earth. When I was a platoon commander to tasking commander, I picked up brass. I cleaned the ranges with the boys. That's just the way I operated. And I would recommend that kind of attitude. It didn't make people think, oh, jocco doesn't have anything better to do.

actually knew I had stuff to do. But what I got to do? Pick up brass with the boys. Build the relationships. Set the example. They're going to respect you for it. Yeah. Makes sense.

At the end of the day, do you have something better to do, right? Because in the big picture, it's like how you say like that's a leader. Yeah. Like sometimes you literally have something. Literally better.

No, like sometimes you literally like, hey, the boys are picking up brass and guess what? You got a meeting with the commanding officer. You got to go do, you know, Sometimes we actually do.

And what's cool is, tactically, is, and you heard us saying this at the FTX when we're up in Utah, if you see the leader doing something menial, what you should do as a followers step up and say, hey, echo, I got this. You can go and lead. That's what you want. That's what I want to do for my leader. I want to take things off my leader's plate as much as possible. Yeah.

now the more you try and you just have to build those relationships the way you build those if you don't have anything better to do then you get down there and you help you help clean up the range you help pick up the brass yeah that's the way it is actually did notice that about you and layf too um where you know like i'll have my camera equipment and you know lights or whatever and it's not a bunch of stuff but you know you're always like oh you'll like grab something yeah And you don't like it when I grab your camera. Yeah, don't touch. Don't touch it.

Don't touch it. But, and when it's just me and you, it's kind of like cool because we're just kind of friends or whatever. There's no perceived or no like hierarchy kind of thing. Like you're, you know, but let's say like at the muster or whatever. It's obvious, like you guys have a specific job. I have a specific job, you know, kind of thing. And meanwhile, you and Lief will like if I'm around, I'm carrying something, you'll always

like grab something or say, hey, you need, you know. You're not at the Utah thing. It's like, oh, are you good? I'm like, bro, you're the instructor here. That's what I'm thinking in my head. And yeah, you guys always offer to like help. Well, yeah. I'm like almost offended.

Like, bro, like, do I look like I need help? Because you shouldn't really be asking me for help. Kind of. Whatever, bro. Very capable individual. Yeah. And the small tedious stuff, the other thing is you explain to him why it's important, right? about the answer we give all the time.

Why is it important? Why is it important that the platoon huts clean? Well, because I want you guys to have time off over the weekends and not be stuck here cleaning because the commanding officer came in and saw that this place looked like a hellhole. Okay, well, that makes sense to us. We understand why you want us to clean now. You want us to clean so that we can have time off.

You want us to clean. You want us to train hard. You want us to do this because we want to be ready for combat because I want you guys to be able to come home to your families. Make sure they understand why they're doing what they're doing. And if there's no reason why to, if the reason, I mean, even cleaning, even taking out the trash, there's a reason for that, right? There's an actual reason for that.

We can't just have junk everywhere. So explain why. Participate when you can. Build relationships with your troops. You'll be good. Yeah. That works for. And by the way, thanks for your service.

Brother. I hope you're having a good time over in Iraq getting after it. Yeah. Second that for sure. that works for kids big time explaining why you do it and if you really want to dial in the effectiveness is make that reason somehow tie it to their interests their direct interest because sometimes kids can't see the big picture you know like if i say you got to clean your room and you know otherwise your room be messy and then maybe you know um later in life you might be comfortable with a messy

room might get in the way of your effectiveness a little four or five year olds they're not going to understand that they're like cool that sounds like terrible but they won't feel it you know but if you tie it into their like direct interest as a four or five year old or however old the kid is it works really good what if you don't clean your room and there's a fire and I come in here to get you but I trip and fall down and then you die yeah that's one way yeah yeah for sure all right yeah I don't know if I'd that but cool. Good time for one more here.

Yeah, I think so. Jocko. In war, the enemy is clear, but in life, in business, not so easy to identify.

Any tips? Well, I mean, first of all, that is not a true statement. And in, in war, the enemy is not always clear. Not at all.

The enemy, the enemy can be hard to identify. Very hard to identify. The enemy is going to use camouflage to conceal themselves. They're going to use deception to distract your attention. They're going to blend in

with the friendly civilian and populace and they're going to take advantage of your benevolence, right? In fact, the enemy is going to do absolutely everything in its power to obscure their position, to hide their purpose, to even mask their identity. So it is not easy to identify the enemy in combat, in war.

So what you have to do is you have to control what you can control, right? You've got to be prepared. You've got to train. You've got to study. You've got to rehearse. You've got to remain vigilant. You've got to maintain discipline in everything you do so that when the enemy does reveal itself, you have the ability to out-think it, to out-maneuver, to out-fight the enemy.

And it's actually the same thing in business, right? The enemy can be hard to identify. Your competitors aren't broadcasting their next move. You don't know what the market's going to do. to do you can't be certain about the next trend or the next downturn or the next bubble that's going to burst you can't know those things so you have to do the same thing you have to control what you can control which is you got to gather intelligence you got to analyze the metrics that you can track you got to train yourself and your team to be prepared for both the known and also be prepared

for the unknown figure out what the likely contingencies are and have some plans to execute if those contingencies occur. Maintain discipline as an organization so that you have the flexibility and the responsiveness to maneuver effectively and efficiently when the unpredictable actually happens. So instead of suffering and falling apart in the chaos, you can take advantage of it and win. That's business. And life is the same. the enemy is not always clear in life.

It can be hard to tell who's going to try and bring you down or what is going to bring you down. There's distractions. There are things out there that will do you harm that are so camouflaged. You can't see them at all. There are deceitful people. There are accidents that can occur and diseases that take root and there's bad luck and there's Murphy's Law and there's times when it seems that the whole world is against you. The whole world is the enemy and the same rules apply. Control what you can't control you. Train hard, learn, maintain the unmitigated

daily discipline in all things. Train hard physically and mentally. Push yourself so hard that you become accustomed to the stress. You get used to it. Every day, make yourself stronger and faster and smarter and better so that when the enemy does finally climb out of the shadows and expose himself to you, you are ready. You are waiting. And you can relish in the upper,

To attack and fight and utterly decimate and destroy him and I think That's all I've got for tonight So Echo Maybe you could help us Figure out how we can support ourselves and perhaps Be better prepared for the enemy Yeah.

Of whichever kind. And whenever it exposes itself so that we can smash it. And if you want to do that, you can also do that while simultaneously supporting this podcast. They want to, of course. Or we could just have a bunch of advertisers on here. You could listen to us, talk about stuff that. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah, either way. Hey, that's what I'm here to do. one of the things I was talking to actually that's that's true that where you know how you say that a lot

and it's easy especially me what do I say a lot like be ready you know yeah you know I'm yeah prepare

yeah stronger faster smarter and you don't like a lot of things after a while you hear it like enough a lot of times a lot of times

sometimes it clicks but then every once in a while you'll it'll like leave a mark no no no No, the opposite, sorry. The opposite, like, okay, you know, okay.

I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Next kind of thing. And these things, like, when you really think about that one, like, we, there's this saying, I don't know. I'm sure it's not new when I heard it was like chance favors the prepared man.

Is that the correct one? Fortune favors the brave. Wait, what are you looking for? That quote. Yeah, yeah. It's like basically something, chance favor. The one that I heard was chance favors the prepared man. Yeah, for sure.

So it's all the same thing. There's some variations of that one. I went straight to the fortune favors, the bold or brave. Yeah. Well, it's the prepared, right? So if you're prepared, you know, you're going to seem to have more luck, you know, with victory and all this other stuff, right? So it's like, you know, in any circumstance, like, if you take working out, working

that is like the easy one because like if you're in shape or if you're strong or if you're not weak or if you're not incapable, you know, like you don't work out so your back's out or something like that or compare it with being strong. Being strong is always more beneficial in pretty much every single situation. There is. Than being weak. Yes. True.

Or being in shape or, you know, being healthy. Being smarter. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you hesitate a bit.

It's always good to be strong, but occasionally it's good to be dumber. No, not say it's not one of the, it's one of those things where, where the result of working out and being strong is always going to add a tangible benefit to most of this. Pretty much everything you do in life.

And you don't believe that about being smarter. I'm not saying that. I'm not just going to jump into, yes, that's true too, because I didn't think about it. Okay. Well,

it's a smart move of yours. See, there you go. Nonetheless, but I think that's one of those things where we kind of, it's my opinion that what you just said there is should be taken to heart.

100%. Concur. Yeah. Not just. cool thing like let's face it that sounded good that sounded cool but in there i don't i don't i don't listen to it because i'm saying yeah i thought it sounded dope okay but it's it's absolutely true and you know and there's little micro struggles you know in life let's face it i know you have some micro i was a lot of my they're way micro all my struggles are micro seemingly but guess what

no problem you know no factor no factor i was filling up jugs and I use this example again. I'm going to do it again. You know why? Because it's it. Every time I fill up jugs, I think about this. The struggle is real. Water jugs.

They're like, what, 40 pounds or eight? I think, like, seven pounds. How many gallons are they? I think it's eight pounds per gallon. Seven. Seven. Okay. So they're five gallons each.

Yeah. So that's, you know, but no problem. You know? No fact. I can do it. No, I don't need a cart to carry them, you know, kind of thing. How many do you carry? Just one in each arm?

Yeah, one in each hand. see what I'm saying they'll see how you're like that's nothing right that's nothing but for a lot of people who don't work out or nothing like that that's not nothing it's something it's something nonetheless I'm just saying like if you're prepared okay so tell us how we can have less struggles yeah okay so first thing you do is maintain maintain your your what do you call it. Your structure. Foundational structure. Foundational structure. Make sure you're not breaking down.

Starting with your joints. As always say, Jocko has some supplements. Crill oil and Glucosamine and Conjointant supplements. Jocko super krill. Crile oil. And what's called joint warfare. Jocco joint warfare. That's glucosamine conjoin and

some other good stuff for your joints. It's funny. The other stuff is actually really beneficial. So go to origin, main.com and read so that you can realize the benefits that you're getting because it's good for you. Yeah. And I'll go beyond just good for you.

It's the kind where, and I'm saying this firsthand, first hand, first hand account, my account. Before you take this, you're going to have joint pain and even non-factor joint pain. I was talking to Dave Burke the other day. Dave Burke's popular. today. Yeah. So Dave

Burke asked me about krill oil, just in general. He's like, well, I don't have joint pain. Like, most of the workouts and hard workouts I do. See, and that's the thing. So I was like, I was kind of like that too where I didn't know. And I don't want to be the guy who's like, no, you do have this problem. And they're like, bro, I don't have this problem. No, no, you do. And you need this product. You know, I don't, I'm not, I didn't want to be that guy. I didn't want to come off like that guy.

So I'm like, yeah. You'll save coming off like that for the podcast. He made a good point. If you don't have like joint pain or whatever, then yeah, you won't have the exact experience I did because I did have joint pain. And I had joint pain in places that I didn't kind of realize it. You just feel like, oh, dang, I'm like just feel better. That's your baseline. You get used to the pain. On top of the fact that I had pain that I didn't, that I knew wasn't normal, you know, just more stiff now than getting older, whatever.

But nonetheless, I was like, you're looking old. I think, bro, how do I look cool? You know, it's my birthday in two days, by the way. Dang. Boom. Anyway, sure, you could not have joint pain. But even before I had like any kind of pain from working out or whatever from joint or in my joints or whatever, I should have started taking it before that.

I should have. And I'm not saying people take it or what. I'm not saying that. necessarily. So Dave's question to me was, should I start taking it? I said yes. Yeah. 100%.

It's good advice. But I did have to let them know. If you legitimately are not having joint paint, don't think that it's going to be a miracle thing like it felt like for me. That's the point. Nonetheless, it's the best stuff because it's from Jocko, right? Yeah. Well, it's the best stuff because it's the best stuff.

It happens to be. It happens to be. Anyway, go to origin, main.com for this. super krill oil and jaco joint warfare on the tops his labs oh we see that it's on the front too so it's real obvious just go there origin made dot com there's also some geese if you're still wondering about what ghee to get don't wonder anymore straight up yeah and there's actually there's actually no

comparison yeah quite honestly there's no comparison every other ghee is not made here in america yeah with american hands American material. Yeah. So there's no compare. You can't compare.

You literally can't compare. There's no comparison. Yeah. And I don't want to turn this into like, you know, putting down any other key company.

So I'm not necessarily going to do that. But let's face it, in certain manufacturing industries, I guess. Brands, a lot of brands. They go, they all go to the same supplier in Pakistan or wherever.

All the things come from the same place. Yeah. And that's why I said there's actually no comparison. Yeah. And it's not just no comparison because it's made in America. It's no comparison because it's been designed. Yeah. From the ground up.

Yes. By people that do jiu-jitsu. Yes. By people that do jiu-jitsu on the daily at origin. The factory, you know what the next building is? The origin training facility. Yeah. So it's like,

it's like we're going to put on our geese and train and then we're going to make sure that it's squared away from the material. By the way, it's not like, oh, well, we want it to look like this and we'll just have to use some random material. No, we'll design the material. Design the weave of the material. Yes. So that it's optimum for jujitsu and that's what we'll make and sell.

So there's no comparison. Yeah. And he was like, there's no one else doing anything close to that. Yeah. The closest would be, hey, we're making it look, we're putting a color to it or putting a patch somewhere or, you know, that's the closest you could do to saying we're doing something like this.

Yeah. No one is designing from the ground up. Yeah. From the material up, from the threads themselves. Yeah. The typical scenario. And by the way, it's not just the geese, the rash cards. Same thing.

Yeah. The material created by origin. Yeah. Yeah. The typical scenarios you get, you know, hey, I'm going to. You'd be surprised, man. Even these, like, kind of established ghee brands. Like, it doesn't matter which ones, whatever, but they'll be like, hey, yeah, let's do, you know, let's make this gie.

Oh, by the way, let's get the same blanks that we've always been getting and that everyone else. And let's just put a cool stitch on there or something or patch or design. That's just the way it typically works. Not even necessarily that there's anything wrong with it. Because if you like your ghee, you like your ghee, that's good. That's how I am. But, yeah, the origin. kind of put it on i will argue that you're you're gonna kind of understand my opinion on the last

or jane dot com that's the that's the good one also for legit fitness gear go to on it dot com slash jocco good kettlebells on there they got some star wars kettlebells that's cool yeah see that's the thing man you don't really care that much about these these cool kettlebells i do nice about it i do I think they're dope. Nonetheless. Yeah, kettlebell's on there. I got into kettlebells a while ago.

Very glad I did. Wish I had done it earlier. Did I get you into kettlebells? Yeah. I got you into krill oil and kettlebells. Yeah. Give it up. But both, yeah, both not necessarily, not actively.

And I got you into Metcons too. Macons. Yeah, you used to not do Metcons. I remember you sent me a text sometime. Like, it was like, what's the deal with this, this metabolic conditioning? Yeah. You said, what should I do? And all of a sudden you started doing Metcons and your cardio on the mat got a lot better.

Yeah. Yeah. Quick, too, by the way. Yeah. Metcons. Metcons with kettlebells and krill oil. Ooh, that's the combo right there. Anyway, and there's a lot of cool other exercise stuff on there, like create kind of create more creative stuff.

You know, keep your workouts interesting. That is on it.com slash jockle. Check out some stuff on there. They got some really good stuff, really good stuff. Aubrey's smart with that where he's always like pushing like good stuff you know anyway

also jocko has a store it's called jaco store jocco store dot com it has if you want to get these shirts that we make that we happen to make

they're good shirts too they're not like free shirts you know the free ones that you like cool and you never wear it it's not that kind very wearable I made it a point to make them like good anyway some women stuff on there rash guards

patches hoodies I know it's getting colder now places they're thicker hoodies is it cold in the kawaii right now it is

actually it is it's like 60 there's snow on the top of kawaii right no not quite oh that's the big island yeah dang it monaia

I just revealed my not everyone non- Hawaiian that's all right you're coming to me I'm man I might have to Suspend your my kai card for a little while, though, after that one.

Anyway, we got some hoodies for people who are in places other than Hawaii. Or if you're on monocale. Thicker hoodies. Anyway, I'm not saying buy stuff. I'm saying, go on there. Check it out. If you like something, get something. It's a good way to support.

Also, subscribe to the podcast. If you haven't already on iTunes and Stitcher and Google Play, however you listen to the podcast, who subscribe, seems obvious. I know. But if you haven't, subscribe, good way to support. Also on YouTube, we have a YouTube channel. There's various reasons to subscribe to YouTube, but the main one, I think,

main two is if you like the video version of this podcast, and you like little excerpts, whether we put some music behind them. When I say we, I mean me, put some music behind them and some various effects. Or not, there's excerpts, you know, a little shorter than the whole version of the podcast and you can share them, listen to them, or whatever.

a lot quicker. Anyway, subscribe to YouTube is what I'm saying. If you want. And if you do want to, and you do, it's a good way to support. Also, psychological warfare. If you don't know what that is, it's an album on iTunes that you can get with tracks that on your campaign against weakness, on the path, trying to get in better shape, you're trying to get in shape.

You want to maintain your shape. You want to, what? wake up earlier. I think you covered it, dude. No, no, no, no. These are things, I'm saying, you know, but here's the thing. It, because, okay. So it seems obvious, right?

You're trying to get in shape. You're going to have hard days, you know, days where you're like, I'm going to skip the workout, right? No. It seems obvious. That's an element of life on the path. It seems obvious you'll run into, like, points of weakness. That's obvious. And I dig it.

And there's a track for that. Jocko tells you why you shouldn't do that. You just listen to it. Boom, get right back on track. But I don't always, what I don't always talk about is that there's tracks for other things. Like the creativity thing. Like if you got like a procrastination situation, how's that one? The reason you're looking at me like this is because you already know this, but not everybody knows this.

You're procrastinating me finishing this podcast. No, no, no. We are finishing this podcast strong with boatloads of value. because I'm debatable. I'm letting people know this is what it is. Why don't you just say

psychological warfare it's an album with tracks on iTunes MP3 Google Play Amazon music if you're

going to run into some issues it'll help you out getting through those issues next topic. Yeah I guess I could have said it like that that's more of like

the jocco way to say it you know like I don't I feel like if I come from a place of you know, authentic relation

to the struggle. I feel like it'll, it'll pass the message in a more accurate way. I think, okay. You don't skip workouts. True.

Do you, okay, here's this, how's this? Do you ever sit in your gym, sit on the bench or whatever or the bike and be like, man, if I, and make this, deals with yourself.

Hey, if I skip today, I'll just do it double tomorrow. I'll tell you what I'll do is like if I'm doing something that's going to suck, like squats, I'll, I'll, I'll procrastinate. I'm in the gym.

Like, it's gonna happen. Okay. But I'll like, okay, let me just stretch out my bathroom. You know, you know,

but it's, it's one of those things like the outcome is known. Yeah, yeah. The outcome is not in question. Okay. The workout will happen. Okay.

I'm just being a, complete baby about it. So then I just have to suck it up. Yeah. So see, that's why you're looking at me like that. Because me and a lot of people like me, we're not like that. We're trying to be like that.

We want to be like that. I know I do. I want to be like skipping the workout is straight up a non, not an option ever. Skipping workouts at total life. I want to be like that. You won't let it happen. But there are times and have been times where I'm sitting there. There's been times I drove.

to the gym before I got my own gym. Drove to the gym. Sat in there. It was like, you know what? Look, if I just walk right out of here right now, I skip this workout. I need recovery. I need recovery. I'm not going to get a good workout anyway.

Oh, you know what? I'll just come back in on Saturday. That was my active rest. I'll come back in and I'll get it then. Today will be my rest day, right? I'm like that. Some other people are like that. You're not like that.

That's why you don't understand. You know what I'm doing right now? With them shuffling my papers? Being passive aggressive, I know. Which is very unlike you, but, you know, hey, man, so good. Nonetheless, psychological warfare. I'm trying to make this a point. This is a for real point.

Valuable point. There's a track that Jock kind of, even though he tried to talk me out of explaining this to you right now. He will talk you out to out of, effectively, talk you out of skipping the workout. Talk you out of pressing the snooze or whatever. all these little points of weakness going there just if you look at them you'll see all the little points of weakness that these tracks address it's good very effective cool are we done with that section very good way to support podcast too all right jocco white tea you can get that on amazon it will guarantee 100% double blind placebo tested triple blind uh you can deadlift 8000 pounds

so you might want to pick that up on amazon you can read the If you don't believe me, that's fine. Go read the reviews on Amazon where every verified purchase is like they're deadlifting minimum 8,000 pounds. Books, got some books. Weigh the Warrior Kid. If you have a kid or you know a kid,

then help a kid. Help them be a better person to have a better life. Get them the way of the Warrior Kid. Extreme ownership. The new edition is out and you all helped write it because it has questions from this podcast. also the new forward also the color pictures lame didn't want them but made up for that by just making the cover black because black and that book has all the fundamental principles

of combat leadership it's for you and your team you don't need to hide it remember in the beginning people would want it they'd get it and they'd want to keep it for themselves because they want to hide the knowledge because they want to look they want to that don't do that it doesn't help the more people know it the more people are on board the better it's going to work. Also from an individual perspective to get yourself on the path, there's a book called Discipline equals Freedom Field Manual. It's available everywhere.

And you might be wondering if it'd make a good gift. Well, not only is it heavy, have you noticed how heavy it is? It's a heavy book. It's a big book. It's a substantial book. It's completely unique because it has black pages. and the outside of the pages are also black. It's a work of art, for sure.

So get some copies for the people that you know because beyond looking really cool, there is no better gift than discipline. So get some copies. And also, if you want the audio version, see now look, I'm doing the same thing you just did, but watch how long this takes. If you want the audio version of Discipline equals Freedom

Field Manual, you can get it on iTunes, Amazon, Music, Google Play, and other MP3 platforms, period, right there. Now, everyone knows what you took 15 minutes to explain. If you're in further need of more fire support in terms of basic leadership besides the podcast, beside the books, and you want to have more interaction, take it to the next level. We have a leadership consulting company. It's me. It's Lafab.

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and to the police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics and the rest of the first responders out there thank you for answering the call when we call and to everyone out there there's an enemy and whether that is is a literal enemy like our military personnel face or a metaphorical enemy like people face every day don't fear the enemy respect the enemy and out of your respect for the enemy prepare and train and learn and stay vigilant and stay disciplined so when the enemy comes you are ready to get after it. Until next time, this is Echo and Jocko.

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