Jocko Podcast - 110: Making The Right Decisions Each Step of the Way. "Reveries of The Art of War"

Episode Date: January 24, 2018

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This is Jocko podcast number 110 with Echo Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. All sciences have principles and rules. War has none. The great captains who have written of it give us none. Extreme cleverness is required to even understand them. And it is impossible to base any judgment on the relations of the historians.

historians for they only speak of war as their imaginations painted as for the great captains who have written of it they have attempted rather to be interesting than instructive since the mechanics of war is dry and tedious books dealing with it have small success and their merit will not be recognized except after the passage of time those writing historically of war have better luck they are sought by all the curious and capital in the all libraries that is why we only have a confused idea of the discipline of the Greeks and Romans war is a science covered with shadows in whose obscurity one

cannot move with an assured step routine and prejudice the natural result of ignorance are its foundation and support nothing is so disgraceful as slavishness to custom. This is both a result of ignorance and a proof of it. Chevalier Follard supposes all men to be brave at all times and does not realize that the courage of the troops must be reborn daily, that nothing is so variable, and that the true skill of a general consists of knowing how to guarantee it

by his dispositions, his positions, and those traits of genius that characterize great captains. Perhaps he reserved of this immense, perhaps he reserved discussion of this immense subject, and perhaps also it escaped him. Nevertheless, it is of all the elements of war, the one that is most necessary to study. The same troops, who, if attacking, would have been victorious, may be invariably defeated in entrenchments. few men have accounted for it in a reasonable manner for it lies in human hearts and one should search for it there no one has written of this matter which is of the most importance the most learned and the most profound of the profession of war and without a knowledge of the human heart one is dependent upon the

favor of fortune which sometimes is very very inconstant so those are some opening words from a book called reveries on war by Maurice de Sacks this guy's a character Maurice de Sacks you do a little research on him did you did you find out how much of a character he was no he was a serious character there's a couple things there's a couple things even in that opening right there that I wasn't sure if I was gonna cover this and I was kind of like going back to it to see if it was something we should cover. But I just, when you get right here,

all sciences have principles and rules, war has none. That's a true statement. And it's true that there's, you know, there's principles of warfare, but there's no actual rules. Like, you can do whatever you want. I mean, you can say the Geneva Convention,

but then you can just defy it and just, you know, you can do things that are completely opposed to it. So there's no rules. You should do whatever you want to win. Now you could lose your respect, And you could act inhumane and that might cost you in the long run. But if war is war, there's no other thing like that. Right.

There's no other thing like that. Do whatever you want. I guess if you had a if you had like a street fight with no weapons and someone's going to do whatever they could to win, right? It's the same. It's the same thing. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, when you deal with like death is kind of the goal and the consequence at the same time like death. That's the end of the line.

So yeah, anything goes essentially. Yeah. Yeah, nothing else is like that. Then he says this, nothing is so disgraceful as slavishness to custom. That's a bold statement too. Mm-hmm. I agree.

Disgraceful, he calls it. He talks about these prejudices that people have. I think you call them, what do you call them? Biases. Biases, right? Cognitive biases. He talks about, he doesn't talk about that, but he talks about them.

But this guy was a character. He lived from 16. 96 to 1750 he started off as a German soldier in the army of the Holy Roman Empire Which was like this bunch of territories in Europe that were banded together under that name and they were around for a long time from like the middle ages Until the time of the Napoleonic Wars so you know the early 1800s and He served also served in the Imperial army which was another kind of army that often fought alongside the army of the army of of the Holy Roman Empire and if buddy but the weird thing is is he finished his career as the Marshal General of France and so he kind of I guess you could say he kind of switched size but he

rose rose up through the ranks because his military career started at the age of 13 when he fought at the battle of Malpiquet I think that's how you say it which and that That war that battle right there was that was between the army of the Holy Roman Empire and France So he was on both sides at certain points of his life and I think the whole time he was it seems like from what I read about him He was always kind of looking to Go up the social structure you know right rise up in the social structure and become more a powerful person Mm-hmm in the hierarchy Sure dominant of those time in the dominance hierarchy

So yeah he started fighting at age 13 which by the way at That's just so cool. I don't, I'm sorry if you think I'm a bad person. But as far as I'm concerned, if I could have joined the military at 13, I would have been so stoked. Sorry everyone that's, that doesn't agree with that. That's just how I roll. I'm just telling the truth on that one. And actually, as I look back on my life, if I could have done that, it would have been even better.

I think they should allow people to join the military. They should have some, like, youth corps where you can go in and just get after it at a young age. Prep, just learn. But they think a, they think a 13-year-old can't make that decision. And they're right. The 13-year-old can't make that decision. So you'd have to have really benevolent people that were in charge of them, in charge of these troops. And you also think that an 18-year-old person can make a good decision.

But that's not true either. Because you've got 18 people that are dumber than dirt. Yeah. And people are worried that you're going to get thoughts put into your head. Yeah. Yeah, you will. You are. You are.

And guess what? If they're good thoughts, right on. That's not a bad thing, right? Yeah, but... I mean, do you have to learn everything yourself? Is that the way the world works? You can't have good ideas put in your head? You can't get a little bit programmed.

Yeah, you can get programmed to be a better human being. Would you accept that programming? Yeah, of course, but... Okay, I'm just checking. Because you're over there looking like, I'm a bad person because I'm trying to brainwash you. No, because you're just saying the word... To make you better.

Good and better. Like, there's this universal good and better, you know? I think there is. No, there is. I mean, there is. Okay, okay. But it's so narrow. Next time we have Jordan B. Peterson on here.

You can converse that. You can have a conversation with him about that? How do you say that you don't know that there's universal good and you're universal bad? No, no, no. I'm saying. I mean, we could come up with dozens of things right now that we know are good and bad. Yes. I don't know about that.

A child. Is that good or bad? Yeah, okay. Yeah, for sure. You see where I'm going to this? Yes. Take something that doesn't belong to you, good or bad. Yeah.

But those, they're still basic and fundamental. Okay. You don't need a youth core to. Well, there's a lot of people out there that don't get taught that stuff. And that's true, but that's a whole different issue. Okay. Well, I'm just making sure. Yeah, but if you're, yeah, I know what you're saying, how you're saying good, like, good ideas and good idea.

You're talking about your way specifically, which I think. No, no, no. I would not. I would not. And I still, I even, you know, I get in trouble for this because, for instance, people say, oh, you shouldn't wake up at 4.30 in the morning. And I always say, like, yeah, I know. I'm not saying you have to wake up at 4.30 in the morning. I'm saying to wake up earlier.

Don't be lazy. Yeah. Right. I'm not saying you have to. I say, you know, don't eat donuts, right? Sure. I'm not saying you can never taste anything that tastes good. I'm just saying, be smart, man.

Come on, you don't need a donut. And donuts are actually on the evil. They might just be pure evil, too, by the way. Yeah, right? Very well. Donuts? Sure. Come on, man.

Possibly. Donuts don't even make you feel. I mean, is there any, do you get any satisfaction from a donut? Satisfel. Well, depends on what you mean by satisfaction. Oh, man. You always want to try and parse these things. Well, you can, it's not an absolute thing.

Okay, so I guess you get a 10 second good taste in your mouth, sugar rush, get some. So, and technically. And you pay for that. Yeah, all your health and fitness. For sure. So you don't seem to care. No, me? No, man, I care.

I care a lot. Okay, I'm just making sure. I'm trying to, I'm trying to look at it from all angles. Satisfaction. Yeah, technically and biological. Okay, but you could come up with some fundamental good things. And I'll tell you this, the military does teach some fundamental good things. So if I could have joined at the age of 13, it would have been good for me.

I would have been stoked. Actually, I would have missed out on some cool stuff too because I had some fun back in the jury and I did some cool stuff. That actually led to me being who I am today. You know, I learned some stuff. I dig it, man. But not, what I'm saying, the point is, is that your way, not everyone will agree. I agree with you. Oh, okay.

And I'm sure a bunch of people do, but I'm just saying there's like different. No, I guess I'm not pro universal brainwashing to my methods of living. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, which makes. 13 year old, by the way. Yeah, which is 13 year old. Now, I'll tell you, I just said that that going in the military I would have missed out on some things, you know, maybe some growing up experiences. Marista Sacks didn't miss out on a, on a damn thing because he was getting after it in

different ways not only on the battlefield but also as a a little bit of a maniac he was first of all he was like apparently physically he was kind of a beast of a man and like physically and he fought he kind of proved himself he distinguished himself in some big battles as he was 13 14 15 16 17 years old apparently he could bend a horseshoe with his hand and and I I was looking at that I was thinking myself he they They must mean hands, right? They must mean hands, poor. They didn't say that. It said hand and I didn't want to take anything away from him So apparently he could grab a he was big and could grab a horseshoe and just bend it in one hand

So he had some some serious strength and through his life He commanded companies at which he actually refers to as centuries which If you can imagine century we know that means a hundred so a century it like the ancient Roman army He had centuries instead of companies and they weren't even a hundred people. They were like 80 people But he led those he led regiments and he led whole armies and he fought with a lot of success throughout his career now with that that being said He was far from what anyone would actually consider role model because He the way he lived his personal life was not exactly exemplarily

Exemplary I didn't say that word right Exemplary yes In fact the way he lived his life was probably the opposite of role model So he was forced into marriage at the age of 18. He didn't want to get married because he was I think he was too much of a womanizer and said I don't want to get married But he married this heiress 14 year old heiress With a ton of money he blew all her money and he was 18 she was 18 she was 14 she was 14 she was an he was a bunch of money he took all her money and blew it on horses for his regiment and on women mistresses and then he had a bunch of public affairs and everyone kind of knew about it and the marriage got annulled and he continued this kind of wanton

behavior I think throughout his life and a couple times he's hypocritical because in the book he talks about certain types of people and I don't know if I cover it but he he does come across a little bit hypocritical hypocritical sometimes now I think one of this is this one quote I grabbed from this mistress, this kind of famous mistress. Actually, she's recognized as the chief mistress of King Louis the 15th. So did you know that the king had, like, not just mistresses, we know that, but there's a chief mistress who's known. Yeah, yeah.

Her name was Madame de Pompadour. And this is what she said about Sacks. Maurice de Sacks does not understand anything about the delicacy of love. The only pleasure he takes in the society of women can be summed up. in one word debauchery. So he's a little bit out of control. He might have, in fact, inherited his lifestyle choices from his dad, whose name was Frederick Augustus, who was well known for his personal unbridled lust.

Sure. How do you know that he had unbridled lust? Well, case in point, Maurice was the eldest. So Maurice de Sacks was the eldest of three. 354 acknowledged illegitimate children that Frederick fathered So while we might not want to emulate Maurice de Sacks's personal life He was an experienced and successful leader of men on the battlefield and

We can learn from him and with that Let's go back to the book here's Maurice de Sacks a man who has that a talent for architecture and can design will draw the plan and perspective of a palace with great skill But if he is to execute it if he does not know how to shape his stones to lay his foundation the whole edifice will crash soon It's the same with the general who does not know the principles of his art nor how to organize his troops for these are indispensable qualifications in all the operations of of war the prodigious success with which the Romans always gained with small armies against multitudes of barbarians can be attributed to nothing but the excellent composition of their troops not that I would infer from this that a man of genius

will not be able to succeed even at the head of an army of Tartars it is much this is the this is the interesting part it is much easier to take men as they are then to make them as they should be it is difficult to reconcile opinions prejudice prejudices and passions so there's a couple interesting things I also forgot to point out that he wrote this kind of on a whim and he actually starts off this this whole book kind of he says this work was not born from a desire to establish a new method of the art of war it was composed to amuse and instruct myself And then one of the last things he says in the book is to the readers I wrote this book in 13 nights I was sick

Thus it very probably shows the fever I had This should supply my excuses for the irregularity of the arrangement as well as the in elegance of the style I wrote militarily to and to dissipate my boredom now on top of those that excuse right On top of that he was a big opium user. So we're figuring he was probably writing this in an impaired state. We're dealing with it. We're not mad about it, but

we're realistic. And the reason I say this is because some of the writing is a little bit tricky and some run-on sentences and yeah, so we have to pull a little bit harder to get some nuggets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's plenty of nuggets. And I think that's one

of them. As much easier to take men as they are than to make them as they should be. And where I look at that as a leader, you get people that are Good at something and you get someone that's not good at something but they're good at something else you put people where you can use them you put people where their skills are most Available and where they can where they can Perform their duties to the highest level because they're naturally good at it that's all it's saying I'm not having you proof read my writing at night right? Yeah, no no no no I'm not and I'm not over here trying to make videos no no No, you're not.

No, I'm not. No. Right? You see where I'm going with us? Yes. So, it would it be easier if you said, you know what, Jocko? When it comes to the podcast, why don't you come up with a talking, a bunch of talking and I'll make cool videos, right? Yeah. We kind of did that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Otherwise, people would be listening to you talking about movies from 1988 and comparing them to stuff. Yeah, very, very clunky. Which is, you know, it's fine. Yeah. But. And then wouldn't you have to expand more resources? on your part to coach me up.

Yes, and imagine, yeah, and I'd be trying to make videos, which I can... And I'd be have to coach you up. Which would make me mad. We don't want that. No, it would make me mad because it's dealing with computers and stuff. Yeah. I don't mind computers, but I don't like them.

Sure, no. So. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a big part of like why he's saying it, though, right? Because it's like, it's like you're going to save yourself a lot of time and headache. Exactly. When you're trying to coach these guys up and stuff.

When you get to the SEAL teams, it's like, Oh, you're small, a small guy? Cool, you're going to be a point man. Yeah, yeah. You're a big guy? Cool, you're going to carry an M60 or now it's a Mark 48. That's how it's happening. We're not going to take the small guy and try and get him, poke him up and make him taller and bigger and stronger.

And we're not going to take the big guy and starve him and send him to Ranger school so he loses 38 pounds. And he comes back and like, okay, you're a point man now. No. Let's use nature. He talks about that in other places. All right. He's talking about in this section how to How to raise an army basically how do you make an army and I thought this one was a little bit interesting because people asked me this question all the time He's talking about mandatory service and this is his opinion on it

Would it not be better to prescribe by law that every man whatever his condition in life should be obliged to serve his Prince and his country for five years? That's no joke sometimes people say two years And that seems reasonable and a lot of countries do that. He says five years and it's kind of funny his attitude towards five years back to the book This law could not be objected to because it is natural and just that all citizens should occupy themselves with the defense of the nation Conquer No inconvenience could result if they were chosen between the ages of 20 and 30 years These are all the years of

Liberty Teenage when youth seeks its fortune travels the country and is of little comfort to parents This would not be a public calamity because one could be sure that when five years had passed Discharge would be granted so he's saying like people couldn't be mad about it because it's only five years and he's also saying look this is when your kids are out of control anyways you might as well have them in the military There's that that whole idea of the libertine that took place back in the day and these guys were you know basically wild Morally getting after it or I should they were they were they were they were partying wicked hard I'm trying to think of a good way to say it They were pardoned wicked hard With drugs, booze and women

The Libertines And they They called them a rake Like if a guy A guy that was out there with a bunch of different women all the time They'd be called a rake There's a bunch of period novels That I had to read when I was in college

That's why I know about it About these libertine rakes Rakes So he continues on This method of raising troops Would provide an inexhaust Exhaustible reservoir of fine recruits who would not be subject to desertion in course of time as a consequence It would be regarded as an honor to have fulfilled one service I'd say that's probably accurate

But to produce this effect is essential to make no distinctions to be immovable on this point and to enforce the law Particularly on the nobles and the rich then no one will complain Hey got to if you're gonna do it to one person you got to do it to everyone equally Consequently, those who had not served their time will scorn those who are reluctant to obey the law, and insensibly it will become an honor to serve. The poor bourgeois, who will be consoled by the example of the rich, and the wretch will not dare complain upon seeing the noble serve. Arms is an honorable profession. How many princes have borne arms.

Now, what's interesting about this idea is that there's some people in the world that aren't really meant for warfare. Mm-hmm and so should we let nature I I more I more heavily agree with the previous point You should let people do what they're good at naturally So you're gonna end up recruiting people that might not be good at this naturally Yeah, and that's not a good thing but not everyone goes a war right and no you're right you could put them in different jobs Yeah, that's that's absolutely true They could put the the guy that's more More apt to be like good at writing he could become a military journalist

Yeah, yeah, yeah You're right. You know, people always ask me that question and the bottom line is it's a tough one. I'm sure I don't have like some hardcore stance on it one way or the other Yeah. Well, do I think it would benefit everyone? Every 18 year old if they join the military? It would benefit them. I'm telling you it would benefit them. Do I think it should be mandatory? I don't really think so because I don't want to have a bunch of draftees in the military and if you don't want to join and you want to miss out on having that part in your life. That's your call and that's fine. This is America. You can do what you want. Yeah, that makes sense, huh? Because on one hand, you kind of can look at it as like taxes, right? Where just like how DeSax was saying, you know, you have to have the, I'm paraphrasing,

the pleasure or the honor to serve in your country's defense. You know, like that should be obvious. It's obvious. And so it's kind of like compare it with paying taxes, right? Taxes go to public service for all the stuff. And we live in this country. We have public service. We all have to pay for it.

It's not just one person. We all pay taxes. A lot of people pay a lot more than other people. Yeah, exactly, right? A lot more. Yeah, I did get it. And some people don't really pay taxes. And that's how the military would have been too.

You just said everyone pays their taxes. Not everyone pays. I know that. And if what if, okay. So good. Yeah, perfect. Exactly. The part of my point is, so let's say I'm like, hey, you just paid your tax times April 15th, whatever.

Some people pay taxes your realm. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just saying. But at the time where it's called a quarterly estimate, you don't want none. I actually know. about that now. Get some. Thankfully, or not so thankful. But you know, let's just say for this example, 15, that's when everyone knows it's

universal, right? And you're like, yeah, I just pay my taxes, you know, whatever. Like I didn't like giving my money away, but that's it, you know, just like people in the, in a draft situation or mandatory military. I didn't want to. I would rather go be a rake or whatever, but I'm doing it and boom, I did it. And then you got me or maybe not me someone else saying, oh, yeah, I didn't pay my taxes. Yeah.

And then you're like, whoa, wait, wait. So you're saying it because. comes an honor to pay your taxes in a way I wish I could agree with you no no no I'm not going there's I think there's a part of your brain no matter how much you pay for taxes it is like you do have that feeling like yeah I did my part even though it sucked even though it hurt even though you know I would way rather have spent it on a Disney vacation or something like that like no I would have rather invested myself into something that was productive right built more business or

something like that you know just little things like that but whatever you see what I'm saying no I mean I hear you it's kind of the same thing that's one way to look at it though okay but The other one way. Yeah, yeah, but the other way is just like how you said, if you get some people who are in there in the military with certain like jobs or whatever and they don't want to be there, it's kind of like it's kind of too important to have people like that, you know. But you could have, yeah, what you said is actually correct that you could have, you know, elements that just did other things in the military that would be more aligned with the person's natural desires of what they want to do. Yeah. And now there's something in the Navy called needs of the Navy, right?

So you would get a, the Navy, you, oh, I want to go get stationed in Hawaii. Like, okay, what are the needs of the Navy? Because the needs of the Navy come first. Not you, not your family, nothing. Yeah. And so the needs of the Navy come first. Well, yeah. And of course, same thing with like a tax situation where it's like you're, if you don't want to do it,

it's kind of hard to be like, I know you don't want to do it. But hey, now that you're here, do what you want. You know, you kind of can't say that. Otherwise, I'll be like, I don't want to be here. So I can choose what I can do. Okay, I'm going to do the most smallest, most light, least time consuming. Like, basically I'm going to do the least I possibly can because I don't want to be here to be in the military. Is this the voluntary military?

This will go for it. Yes. And that'll go for it. So you're going to get these. It's kind of like. So you get people that would be not doing very much. Yeah. It's essentially like a draft dodger kind of situation, but within the, you know, who didn't actually dodge it.

If I'm just saying if it were a scenario like we'll just put them where their interests lie even though they have to be here Yeah, so I'm just saying that's the other side of the coin where it's like it's hard to make make it work in an absolute kind of way Check all right. He talked a little bit about clothing troops what they should wear and this is just I thought this was interesting our uniform is not only expensive but very very uncomfortable The soldier is neither shod nor clothed nor covered the love of appearance prevails over attention to health and this is one of the most important points demanding our attention Hair is a dirty ornament for a soldier and once the rainy season has arrived his head is never dry So it sounds to me like he's basically saying he doesn't care how he looks he's here to win So hair is a dirty ornament for a soldier in place of hats I should prefer helmets as for shoes this was interesting

You know people wear minimalist shoes without with zero heel to toe drop have you heard that expression meaning it's the same level across so it's any of the barefoot type shoes okay they all say oh zero heel to toe drop meaning there's not an eight millimeter difference between the height of the heel and then it goes down to the height of the toe this is what he says as for shoes I would prefer the soldiers to have shoes of thin leather with low heels instead of heavy boots they would be perfectly shod with and would march with better grace since the low heels would force them to turn out their toes stretch their joints and consequently

consequently draw in their shoulders it's pretty interesting because everyone's all in the range of minimalistic shoes which I actually wear shoes that don't have any heel toe drop yeah maybe I'm caught up in that fad but It's cool, but you know what when we were kids right Chuck Taylor's? Yeah Chuck Taylor's yeah They have no heel toe drop people still wear them because they're good to go That's kind of all right well Mostly all they wear yeah yeah well there you go

I didn't know what you're in you're a big time trend You're you're a early adopter Yeah I didn't know about my problem with Chuck Taylor's is too narrow for me Too narrow yeah and they don't sell wide ones I've looked All right pay what you gotta pay you people back to the book without going into detail about the different rate to pay I shall only say that it should be ample it is better to have a small number of well kept and

well-disciplined troops than to have a great number who are neglected in these matters it is not the big armies that win battles it is the good ones economy can be pushed only to a certain point it has limits beyond which it degenerates Into parsimony. I had to look that word up by the way Parsimony Yeah occasionally you get one of those it means just super cheap Super cheap. It's interesting because that doesn't sound like that I mean would fall in that category What is so he if your dad would be considered parsimonious? I guess so I know that my my dad like many dads

Will drive an extra 18 miles to save three cents a gallon Is that all dads do that? No, I know why they don't do that well yeah you drive 18 miles you're in the ocean most of the time but yeah I've heard of that before isn't that like a false thing though like because you drive you drove yeah for sure Kind of a joke you know you get the app that has the cheapest gas prices in your area Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah how much time are you spending looking at an app that you paid three dollars for to find out where they can save two cents a gallon on gas? Yeah, now getting I get it man I'm cheap I inherited that right I don't like to spend money it's hard for me to part with the with the money Right including the tax man by the way it's hard for so I get it but I also have to have some like like sometimes my dad could be

Irrational about sure you know irrational just just straight up crazy. Hey well you could save two cents Yeah, hey if you know he he gets fired up about that too yeah that's another thing you know he always asked me How much the gas out there in California? I'm like I don't know I'm gonna pay for it anyways let's stick the nozzle in there pull the trigger and rock and roll I got stuff I got to do not dry How much cheaper is gas on base? When I didn't know how much cheaper gas was on base He was beside himself and then we found out it was eight cents a gallon cheaper He said he's all in your base

You want to go drive over there wait in line show your ID and then we get on base got to wait because no Yeah, come on wait isn't that because Parsonious Parsonaneous yeah huh I'm gonna try use that one but that's because the because it's like a little it's like a win right you get a win when you got oh you think you got the psychological win yeah yeah no that's that's definitely that could be it a little victory yeah I think that is it because yeah people like that too back to the book hope encourages men to endure and attempt everything in depriving them of it or in making it too distance you depriving it too distance you depriving them of their very soul now that immediately made me think of Stalin grad when we were reading about Stalin ground and the fact that the soldiers when something would give him a glimmer of hope it would totally change their attitude like when they

thought that the German troops were coming to rescue the the guys that were in stallingrad in the pocket in Stalin ground yeah they were all excited and they were you know happy and like he literally said like everyone's morale went up and then they find out they're not coming it's just crushed yeah crushed crushed morale. Yeah. That's based on hope. Yeah, fully.

And you kind of see that in like a workout, for example. Like if you have a, in football, we'd have like conditioning, right? And sometimes they'd just be like, hey, we're just running sprints, wind sprints. They wouldn't say, hey, we got 10 wind sprints. It's not like that. And after a while, like, guys are dying and, you know, not dying, but, you know, we're getting tired. So the sprints are a lot slower towards it.

But they say, two more. Finish hard for all of a sudden everybody can run fast. again you know what I'm saying even though you're trying because you see that little light and they get down when that second's pretty good I was kidding eight more gonna do it yeah and then you watch the hope just go again back to being slow back to the book this is this is pretty heavy truly the only good officers are the poor gentlemen who have nothing but their sword and their cape but it is essential that they should be able to live on their pay the man who devotes himself to war should regard it as a religious order into which he

enters he should have nothing no other home than his troop and should hold himself honored in his profession so there you go all in yeah all in and when people always ask me especially when i was in about work life balance and i'm like i'm not the guy to talk about I'm not the good person, especially when I was in the military. Yeah. Because this was me. You know, my number one priority, 100% was the dames. And everything else was just kind of, hey, you're, everyone else is along for the ride.

But I know where I'm going. So the being that devoted to war and it has a power. It has a certain, it made, you know, if you got a guy that's thinking about all the time. I think it was Jade. Jade and I were talking about something. And he said. the person who cares more wins. And that's accurate.

And I want a lot of stuff in my day just because I cared more. I mean, I'm not going to sleep. I'm just going to be thinking about this. You're going to go home. And this weekend, you're going to go and do a family barbecue and you're going to go play baseball with the kids and blah, blah, blah.

And I was just like, no, I'm just going to be doing this all weekend. I'm going to be working on this. We're going, I care about this. Yeah. Nothing else matters. So that's a again is it healthy for work life balance? No, it's not healthy Except for to say if you're that committed to your work you're a committed person and that means you're trying to take care of your family That's not necessarily a bad thing. Am I reaching maybe yeah, I think okay. I'm reaching that's fine

You know marry a good independent woman that doesn't need emotional support from you all the time so that she understands that that was the big thing for me. I think my wife understood That it wasn't meant as an offensive thing. Yeah, like I have a job and I really care about my job doesn't mean I don't care about you but my job is right now and I need to do that. Yeah, and even the work life balance I'm just a bad husband no no because the work life no because there is no templated time allotted You know the you need to spend with these people or those people are work versus that there's no like thing you know sometimes if you're like hey I need to spend more time with my work wife your wife's like bro go do me alone you know like we we spent the weekend again calm down you know go to work or whatever some people like that and it's a spectrum so work life balance is like it depends on your

wife and you know in a husband-wife situation you know i suppose instead of instead of trying to take a life work-life balance lesson out of this i think the most important thing to take out of this is is the level of commitment right if you really want to be successful yeah and not just talking about war i'm talking about business I'm talking about life if you really want to be successful you got to you got to get after it Yeah and you see that set the other things aside for now. Yeah right just the way it is Yeah yeah sorry all right back to the book training drill is necessary to make the soldier steady and skillful Although it does not warrant exclusive attention among all the elements of war It even is the one that deserves the least if one accepts those which are dangerous

I tried to figure out that meant I just thought opium that was an opium Yeah hit right there the last part the foundation of training depends oh this is good but but okay so drill if you know anything about the military Drill especially back in those days it was it really was a necessary thing because you had to function together as a team and the way you do that we still do what's called close order drill in the military now You've seen it go watch the US Marine Corps close order silent drill team they do all these rules specific maneuvers and they have competitions in high schools between the ROTC classes where you know you're carrying the rifle you spin you do that all that stuff that's called drill yeah the reason it originated is because you needed for two reasons number one you actually had to do those motions on the battlefield raise

your rifle the load make ready aim fire and then the next rank will be doing the same thing you had to do in a coordinated method and the other the reason that they kept doing it according to my drill instructor in officer candidate school gunnery sergeant you United States Marine Corps all be enough last name was seals that was his last name great guy layers yeah layers gunnery sergeant seals my drill instructor from the United States Marine Corps at officer candidate school he said the reason that you're learning this drill is because the reason that we do drill is because people need to act instantly upon orders so it drills into you a level of

obedience when you get told by the left flank march everyone goes yeah By the right flank march everyone goes you know so it teaches you that hey I'm gonna go and that's what they used to use it for But they still use it now to so that people get used to the immediate obedience of orders now Does that get contradicted by things that I talk about all the time on here? But questioning orders and making sure you understand why you're doing? Yeah, it does absolutely But there is a that's why that's what it exists for Yeah, yeah and at least the capability still and the capability is there. Yes, the capability is there Back to the book the foundation of training depends on the legs and not the arms all the mystery of maneuvers and combat is in the legs and it is to the legs

that we should apply ourselves whoever claims otherwise is but a fool and not only in the elements of what is called the profession of arms so interestingly your personal problem with people that talk about skipping leg day it goes back it goes back to here. Yeah. Dang. The big guns? The big arms?

They didn't want to help us in the art of war. According to Sacks. In Hawaii, they call that Big for nothing. Actually, Big for Nothing. And Hawaii means, like, I guess here they say,

all go no show, right? So that's kind of what having big arms and small legs kind of is as well, right? So now you're on board with that? Well, yeah, no.

I never was skipping legs. You were the one teasing me and I was wondering, why is that so funny? But I guess, yeah. That's been funny since day one, a fool, because you look like a fool. Because you're a fool. That's it.

That's the answer. Dang. Yep. It goes back. It goes back a long time. Even back then, people were skipping leg day. Yeah. And they were fools.

Yeah, fools. They're kind of focusing on the wrong thing. And it makes sense. Even like in those terms, it makes sense today. Let me tell you something. The amount, when I was in the teams, I was running training, and I still talk to guys, obviously. But if you think about what's going on.

The train like people to people you know I say all the time like all the seal training is not that hard right as a all time like but I'm talking about buds I'm telling you the advanced training that you go to the training that I used to run it's it's freaking really hard It's really hard you're in the desert the desert. Don't think of sand think of rocks think of jagged on even terrain up and down hills Then think about you're on night mission so it's at night think about you have let's call it about about 80 pounds of gear on just on average that's like the average guys got 80 pounds of gear on You're going to get dropped off in the middle of the desert again not the desert but the rocky What's it called sub? I forget it's it's the rocky crazy terrain it's hard to walk on in the daytime It's hard to walk on now you're at night now you have night vision on which is great

But night vision is looking far away and you can adjust one of your night vision side so you have two and you can adjust one to far and one to close so you can see a little bit but still your peripheral vision isn't there Your pervial vision's gone because there's a tube in front of your head Yeah, so you can't really see what's actually underneath your feet You can look down and then you can see it for a second, but you can't walk around looking down the whole time You got to look at the guy in front of you got to look at the field of fire So as you're walking you're making these micro adjustments all the time to adapt to your foot hitting the ground in some weird spot and so you get that And then you have that weight on your back

And so you get dropped off then you patrol 10 kilometers 10 kilometers maybe what what's that that's six miles so you so you're going six miles Then you get six miles you get to a target area you get to the target area You got to get eyes on the target area you know you get eyes on you climb the biggest hill around At night being as quiet as you can you get to the top of that hill you look at it then you go and assault the target Once you assault the target guess what you're getting for when you're assault the target you're now like almost running you're running you're running through the thing at night you're shooting machine guns guess what guys get hit guys go down this even in training guys are going down now you're gonna carry him well

you're gonna carry him who's gonna carry him you are you gonna do how you gonna carry him you're gonna there's only one way sure okay there's stretchers there's you can be can bring litters and we certainly bring litters in the field but they take some time to set up and you got to get organized to make that happen what's gonna happen initially is somebody is gonna sling that dude on his back and by the way that person that weighs 200 pounds has 80 pounds gear with them so now we're talking 280 pounds you're gonna put that person on your back and you're gonna walk at a high rate of speed through this rocky terrain and you're gonna do that for another two to three miles to get out

It's hard that kind of training and by the way this whole time. There's no who ya There's no hey come on. There's no there's no there's no you don't even speak It's just in silence. Yeah, just going and everyone knows what you have to do. Yeah, and so that's why Why you got to do leg day. Yeah. Not skip leg day because your legs your legs got to carry that weight Going back to the book to return to the march about which everyone bothers themselves to the death But will never reach a conclusion unless I reveal a secret so he's got a secret about maneuvering troops this is this I found this interesting Some wish to march slowly others would march fast but what about the troops whom no one knows

how to make march fast or slowly as they desire or is necessary and who require an officer at every corner to make them turn like some snails and others are running and this is to advance this column which is always trailing it is a comedy to see even a battalion to commence movement so what he's talking about is you if you're moving with a unit and this happens with a even happens with a platoon but it definitely happens when you get bigger elements you know a company sized element where you've got a hundred people that are moving it's it's a the caterpillar effect right like the front moves and then it takes a little while for the people to catch up and then when they stop everyone bumps into them and you

end up with this just thing that's really really hard to move yeah and this is so this is how he says this is his big secret shall I say it this great word which comprises all the mystery of the art and which which which will no doubt be seem as ridiculous have them march in cadence that is why these musical marches were instituted and that is why one beats the drum it is this which no one knows and no one has perceived with this you can march fast or slow as you wish the tail will not lose the distance all your soldiers will start on the same foot the changes of direction will be made together with speed and grace and the legs of your soldiers will not get tangled up you will not be

forced to halt after each turn in order to start off on the same foot your soldiers will not exhaust themselves at quarter as much as at presence now what I thought was interesting about that is it's an obvious answer right and now clearly you're not going to do that in the modern day military in the field you're not going to play music so guys can march to it so you can stay in cadence but I think it's more important to that sometimes we lose things we lose methods They're in front of our face, but we don't understand why they were there. And I'll tell you, I was thinking

of a story. I was running training. And one of my guys who was one of the assistant platoon commanders in T.U. Bruiser. Great guy. Hard to choke. Real long neck. You know, you can make it happen, but you're going to work for it. Real, some people you might think long neck, easy to choke, right?

Yeah. No, this was his neck was so long and he was strong too. He is strong long and strong neck so his neck would like bend in the guillotine Oh god, yeah, it was that long. It was long neck So anyways we were out at this training site and we were doing he was his it was his platoon now he was a platoon commander and they were coming over the beach And meaning swimming over the beach and then you go do live fire and this really so so they're doing it they're doing iterations and And he's coming up on the beach and his weapons, you know, you, when you get to the beach, your weapons wet, sandy, because you go through the surf and it's all jacked up. And then you try and shoot your gun. It doesn't work. You got to clean it. And it's just a pain. And he says, hey, man, do you have any, like, suggestions on how to get my weapon firing once I get over the beach? And I go, yeah, man, don't let it get wet. And he was kind of, you know, like, really? And I said, yeah, don't let it get wet.

Because when you're swimming in, you've got a rucksack, but the rucksack isn't, it's waterproofed, so it kind of floats. And so you can put your weapon on top of your rucksack. And you can kind of keep it dry there. And when you're just swimming, you just keep, now you're not gonna keep your weapon completely dry. It's not gonna happen.

It's gonna get wet. But the attitude, if you have the attitude that you're trying to keep it dry, you'll keep it 90% more dry than you would otherwise. And most important, when you come through the beach when you come through the waves you won't let it get the sand in it and he kind of looked at me with you know a funny face of like are you serious like how can you keep it dry and I said keep it dry next time I'm watching him

we're on night vision I'm watching him and sure enough is his weapon barely went in the water he got up on the beach and boom it works guess what it's an obvious answer but sometimes people we know we just need to have somebody share the obvious answer with us so that we can execute yeah yeah that makes sense Yeah, it makes sense. That's crazy. I didn't know that, that marching thing. Like, that's why you marched the cadence or whatever. It's like, so that caterpillar effect, especially with like a lot of people.

It shuts down the conical effect, for sure. That's why there's traffic, by the way. Yes, that's why the traffic exists because of that little effect. That's exactly true. You know, one guy going in the reaction time. You know, the other funny thing he said in here is, he says, go watch people dance. You see a soldier dance all night, but he can't march for more than an hour without being tired. Why is that give him some music

I don't want to say that part but yeah Because then people start asking me about dancing Yeah, yeah, I'll see you down no talk of dance on the podcast Back to the book if the previous war had lasted a little longer Indubably everyone would have fought hand to hand This was because the abusive firing began to be appreciated it causes more noise than harm and those who Depend on it are always beaten So what do you need I encapsulated a lot of stuff what he was talking about was how

Everyone was so excited to shoot their rifles and at this time period the rifles weren't all that accurate and so it was a bunch of noise But they weren't always that effective and it would be better and by the way when you when you had to shoot your rifle you had to stop So now instead of charging we're stopping we're loading or firing the other rank is firing and if the other people are moving on you Well, they're gonna get close enough and they're gonna have no now momentum and they're gonna overtake you they're gonna overpower Are you with what with bayonets and hand-to-hand combat? So what I thought was interesting about this is he saying hey all this noise is basically noise makers For for for all practical purposes they're noise makers and he's saying and what I was thinking was it's this goes to be This to me is very similar to people that are yell a lot

Right you yell a lot you were someone that's loud someone that's always talking some and he says that people who depend on that are always beaten Mm-hmm and I thought to myself that's a very accurate statement Very accurate statement so don't just talk for the purpose of talking Right don't if you don't have anything to say that's fine be quiet don't say anything it's actually good Yep here he talks about the Roman legions the Romans vanquished all nations by their discipline no big deal No They meditated on war constantly continually and they always renounced old customs whenever they found better in this respect they

differed from the Gauls whom they defeated during several centuries without the latter thinking of correcting their errors so this is clearly the Romans okay we know discipline's important talk about it all the time but more important lesson here is they always renounced old customs whenever they found better boom renounce the old customs when you find better ones this is something you need to do in your life something need you in your business it's something you need you do on the mat and I'll tell you going back to the other part sometimes there's things in jiu jitsu that you find a better way and they work for a while and then you go back to the old way and it works because

people are expecting the new way Dean talks to Dean'll say this is a new old move yeah yeah he just said that the other yeah this is a new old move what it it worked 10 years ago it wouldn't work five years ago because everyone knew it now it'll work again because everyone forgot it yeah and that's kind of like everyone forgot why why we use cadence why we use music yeah we forgot why we don't know how to march now yeah yeah it's and it's essentially the same reason why the new move will work because people are unfamiliar you know because you know you have a certain attack or whatever and then the more people know about that attack the harder it is to to be successful with it

And then you find some new variation that not everyone knows. I mean, the footlock game kind of was like that too for a little bit. And then after while, all those fundamentals, which were essentially the early version of the move or whatever, that's still there. But we got this new unrevealed move that's getting everyone because they're unfamiliar. It's like a surprise kind of, but they're just unfamiliar.

And then now everyone gets familiar with it. And it's like, cool, it was an okay move. But the real good one was that original. the OG one yeah but everyone just got used to it yeah and then once everyone gets used to the new one Yeah yeah for sure correct and improve renounce your old customs whenever you find better now he's talking a little bit about peace time And how you maintain your army during peacetime he says as for the cavalry It should never be touched meaning you shouldn't you shouldn't get rid of any cavalry people

The old troopers and the old horses are the the good and the recruits of either are absolutely useless it is a burden and is an expense but is indispensable in regard to the infantry as long as there are a few old heads you can do what you want with the tails so a horseman is you got the skilled horse and you've got the skilled horse rider and he says in this I don't know if I'll read it but he says also in here takes 10 years to make a good a good cavalryman good guy that's really good on the horse with a really good horse takes 10 years to make them so you can't just get rid of that person But an infantryman if you got some good this is what I liked about it if you've got good leadership

Good leadership with infantrymen hey man there's some fundamental skills you're gonna need to learn and we'll be ready to rock and roll Which is which is awesome Good leadership goes a long way. I mean and again you have to have it takes a lot it takes the same amount of time To make a good infantry leader because those are skills that take a long time to develop to become a leader of infantry troops but your basic combat rifleman you can make them pretty quick not like it's all it's a hell of a lot easier than making someone that can ride a horse so and then your leadership's gonna go a long way back to the book in attacking infantry the two rear ranks are to lower their

pikes in this position the pikes will extend from six to seven feet ahead of the front rank the front ranks being sheltered in such a manner will I am sure aim with more confidence than if they had nothing in front of them besides this the third rank can ward off blows and defend the first rank which will do which it will do much better since it is covered by the first two ranks the second rank which is armed with muskets can fire and defend the man in front of him in the first rank without the ladder being obliged to stoop this of

A serious disadvantage which is incurred in kneeling a dangerous movement because men who are afraid prefer this position They cannot be made to get up when wanted and is always necessary to halt to kneel According to my formation all the men are covered each by each other with Reciprocal confidence the front presents a forest of spears their parents is formidable and gives confidence to your own troops because they feel It's power. So a couple interesting things there. Obviously it's a cover move situation and and we're gonna work that out, but I thought Beyond that it was interesting that if you got us if you're gonna take a knee well there's two things that are happening number one you have to stop to take a knee we're not advancing on our knees And number two people are afraid they want to be down there. It's gonna be hard to get him back up so don't even let him get down there Keep that momentum going

We're looking to keep that momentum going back to the book those who imagine that and I think I state this every time usually around this point in the podcast I'm skipping a lot of the book sure it's just the way it is we're not going to read the whole book on here you have to order it yourself if you want to hear every secret of sacks those who imagine that the Roman legions were composed of Romans from Rome are very much deceived they came from all the nations in the world But their composition, their discipline, and their methods of fighting were better than all those other nations. This is why they conquered them all.

Neither were they conquered in their turn until this discipline had degenerated among the Romans. Discipline will get you a long way and lack of discipline will get you killed. Disintegrated? It disintegrated. Talking more about cavalry here. the cavalry should be active and mounted on horses inured to fatigue it should be encumbered with as little baggage as possible and above all should not make the common error of having fat horses if they could see an enemy every day it would

only be better for this would soon put them in condition to attempt anything it is certain that the power of power of cavalry is not understood why because of we have love for fat horses. I had a regiment of German cavalry in Poland with which I marched more than 1,500 leagues in 18 months. I maintain that this regiment

was more fit for service at the end of this time than another supplied with fat horses. But to reach this condition, they must be gradually accustomed to hardship and hardened by hunts and violent exercise. This will maintain

their health and increase their endurance likewise it will make cavalry men of the troopers and give them a martial bearing so you got to train hard I just read all that to basically say you got to train hard you want to be ready to fight you got to train how you fight and don't get on a fat horse apparently I'll have to ask my wife about that one she knows more about horses than me or Leif sure Leif knows about horses He's from Texas. Everyone from Texas ride to horse. Yeah.

Is that the image? Yes. When I would go overseas, people thought everyone in America is basically carrying a pistol on them at all times. That's the image that people have of America. I like that image for people to have them in America too. I mean, I'm sure some people don't like that image, but yeah, you know, be nice when you come here. You want to come and visit? That's cool.

We welcome visitors. Just be nice. Everyone's carrying a 45 in their back pocket. Yeah Yeah Can you carry a 45 in your back pocket? You could I mean would it recommend it? No wouldn't recommend it you get a holster Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah so back but more of an expression no no it's not even expression but if you go to another country They think that we've just got them in our back pocket. Yeah, yeah yeah like you carry your wallet and a 45

Yeah, what next question. You see what I'm coming from here? Yes, that's how we roll is America I do not back to the book I do not know why armor has been laid aside for the for nothing is either so useful or ornamental if it be considered how many troopers perished by the sword and how many are how many many many are dangerously wounded by random and weak shots accident accidents against which armor guarantees protection one cannot avoid acknowledging the benefits of it it is nothing but indolence and relaxation of discipline that caused it to be laid aside. It is wearisome to carry a queer ass and a trail pike and trail a pike half a century to use it a single day.

But as soon as discipline is neglected in a nation, as soon as comfort becomes an aim, it needs no inspiration to foretell that ruin is near. the Romans conquered all peoples by their discipline in the measure that it became corrupted their success decreased when the emperor Gration permitted the legions to quit their cuirasses and helmets because the soldiers complained they were too heavy all was lost the barbarians whom they had defeated during so many centuries vanquished them so that's all that's all people stop wearing their armor because it's heavy

body armor's heavy yeah your helmet your helmet's heavy yeah you want that a little tiny helmet you want the oh let's take out the back plate of our body armor oh probably won't get shot there no yeah was it who was that

was that jody talking about that like oh i think jody yeah those guys going into that they were they were going into an operation they didn't wear their body armor yeah because they were like dang yeah we're not gonna happen Plus we we light maneuverable

That's the thing you say yeah Yeah, it's like skipping your workout and saying well I need to rest it like recover today Yeah, kind of the same thing very similar yes I'll give you that one I give you that one yeah he obviously As soon as discipline is neglected in a nation guess what's the same thing with your personal life Obviously Back to the book the troopers should have a goat skin bottle like those you in hot countries instead of a canteen or a barrel to hold liquors in this with his

linen stockings cap a cord and a few other necessities is to be put in the bottom of the sack which will roll up with his coat and can be fastened with two straps behind him this will reduce the monstrous load which is now carried by the cavalry it is necessary from time to time to inspect the baggage and force the men to throw away useless items I have frequently done it one can hardly imagine all trash they carry with them year after year the poor horse has to carry everything it is no exaggeration to say that I filled 20 wagons with useless rubbish which I have found in the review of a single regiment so people will tend to carry a lot

a lot that they don't need and that weighs down on you I think I've talked about this before but the back in the brook and do we had these winter platoons which I never did one out on the East Coast They had these winter platoons. And you're going long distance on cross-country skis, right? You know what those are? Yeah. Long, long distances.

And that is a very, you're basically like running a marathon. And so the guys were super anal about the weight that they carried. So like they would, you know how the backpack, a backpack has, you know, a strap that you pull to tighten it. They get it to the port where it was supposed to be. Give it a little bit slack and then cut the rest off. So it so it so they don't want to carry that little extra four inches of nylon. Yeah not gonna do it They had every piece of gear that they had would be like that yeah The winter warriors a team two broken a tree

Here's an interesting thing in passing through water the horses must never be allowed to drink A man who halts to water his horse will stop a whole army when this happens the officers should hasten to the spot and instead of fruitless reprimands and ill-timed mercy they should instantly change Fastize the offender nothing is of such importance for the preservation of the cavalry Otherwise the affection the men they have for their horses will have them halting little or much and then it is impossible for them to recover their ranks without galloping Discipline people get that little affection further For not just you know I wasn't thinking horses there I was thinking about like being on a long patrol or in the workplace You want your team to go and every time you you grant that little bit of mercy

Right. Mm-hmm. Am I saying be merciless slave driver? No, but when you do it you start develop that trend and now it throws other things off And sometimes you just gotta be hey, no be quiet and execute Yeah, we gotta go Got to go in time of peace and in winter quarters in time of war their horses should be kept in condition by violent exercise Or runs at least three times a week I like this idea of violent exercise I'm gonna start doing more violent exercising yeah that's good

so like violent exercising the same severe usage is also proper for the heavy cavalry charge at those times it is in the field it is only in the field that they must be managed carefully to keep them in flesh and the squadrons complete and strong and this is interesting the best chance of teaching them to stand fire is when the infantry is practicing they should advance on the fire and walk and be kept calm accustomed and accustoming them to go closer and closer they should never be beaten but stroked and encouraged encouraged in the space of a month they will be so accustomed to it that they will even put their nose on the muzzle of the muskets

without any fright or surprise then they are all right nevertheless they Should not be allowed to approach too close for once they get burned you will not be able to bring them near again This ordeal must be reserved for the day of battle That was good that to me reminded me of what Jordan Peterson was talking about and where the warrior kid how you slowly inoculate people you don't throw them into the you don't bring them right up to the firing line and start shooting the guns and let them get freaked out horribly Yeah, you bring them a little distance you let them listen from afar and then next thing you know they're good to go they're standing in line what do you call that what did Jordan Peterson call that exposure yeah gradual exposure exposure exposure yeah graduated exposure therapy something it's something

yeah it was something like that something like cover move a little bit of that I am convinced every unit that is not supported is a defeated organization infantry should always be supported by cavalry and cavalry by infantry cover move work together Support here's a little note back to the book the general or commander in chief of an army should have a standard to be carried ahead of him as a mark of his rank So he's talking about flags This is this also has a purpose anyone searching for him will know instantly where to find him especially in battle and the troops seeing the standard will know that the general is observing them So one thing we did and they do in the military is they you need you need You're giving your brief on how the mission's gonna go your brief location of leadership

They say okay as we're gonna take down these eight buildings. I'll be here in this building On the top floor boom so if you need me know where to come find me something happens Hey where's this platoon leader gonna be yep once we get our targets here. I'm gonna come over here I'm gonna stand on the backside with a breach took place if you need me that's where I'll be So everyone kind so you know where everyone is and you see talking about like having a A standard that's like a like a symbol it's a flag yeah yeah so an actual flag so you guys wouldn't really No, we didn't do that because isn't there like a thing? Yes, that's saying like hey, you don't want like I what was it? I want to say saving private rights like don't salute Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever because I don't want the enemy to see where yeah, you did you definitely don't want

To mark your position right like like these guys are doing and as a matter of fact And I'm trying to think of what book we recently did where he was talking about like yeah, if you're seen running around if you're a radio man Or you're seen running around giving director You're gonna get shot. Yeah. Yeah, the officer that was like the Vietnam one I think it was I think it was the battle wide drain But yeah, they're talking about that. Oh yeah, it definitely was a battle of why drink It was because when they were leaving they said like within within minutes the leaders had been killed Yeah, radium had been killed the ones that were still with their elements So yeah, that's not something you want to do but what we would do is brief where we're gonna be so that everyone on the team knew

based on a terrain feature. Yeah. You know, hey, here's this building or here's this knoll of this mountain or here's this intersection, this road. That's where I'll be. That's where I'm planning to be, so now people know where you are.

Yeah, makes sense. And I mean, he had an additional thing there when he said, so that you know the general's watching kind of thing. I guess that wouldn't really apply to your situation, right? No, no. Yeah.

It wouldn't apply. Although, like in the military, when the general is visiting, and as a two-star general, they raise a two-star flag. Yeah. So everyone knows he's there. There it is. Yeah.

So, okay, so I guess, yeah, you're right. So it'll be real circumstantial. Like, during a war, battle, you're not going to be in a combat situation. Yeah, yeah, got you. Now, he talks about the companies, and again, he calls them centuries, which is basically a company-sized element of around 100 guys. And he's saying that they should have their own little symbols as well and their own standards back to the book if the standards are distinguished by their

different colors the actions of every century will be conspicuous this will create the greatest emulation because both officers and soldiers will know that they are seen and that their countenance conduct and behavior are not ignored by the rest of the army the men as well as the officers will tell of it in the field and in garrison their exploits will be constant the constant subject of conversation I thought that was kind of a cool idea you know if you're if you're flying the flag Then people are watching you and so you better act you better come correct To represent yeah you better represent actually I like come correct. Yeah come correct Back to the book after the organization of military troops military discipline is the first matter that presents itself

It is this soul of armies Hmm That has such a nice ring to it It's the soul of the individual as well But I suppose we'll talk about that later Back to the book If it is not established with wisdom And maintained with unshakable resolution

You'll have no soldiers Regiments and armies Will be only contemptible armed mobs More dangerous to their own country than the enemy It is a false idea That discipline, subordination And slavish obese DeBase courage. It has always been noted that it is with those armies in which the severest discipline is enforced that the greatest deeds are performed

Many generals believe that they have done everything as soon as they have issued orders and that they are and they order a great deal because they find many abuses So he's saying they're like when a general feels like he's talking about a bad general when a general feels like they've done everything as soon as they've given their order and since that's what they do they give all kinds of orders my order you do this my order you do that I'm gonna order you do something else here's what he says this is a false principle proceeding in this fashion they will never reestablished discipline in an army in which it has been lost or weakened few orders are best but they should be followed up with care negligence should be punished without partiality and without distinction of rank or birth otherwise you will make yourself hated one can be

exact and just and be loved at the same time as feared severity must be accompanied with kindness but this should not have the appearance of pretense but of goodness and this is just a little note I thought everyone should know whippings need not be severe the more moderate they are the more quickly will Abuses be remedied since all the world will join in ending them. So even when you're whipping your people, you know, be a little bit more judicious We have a this is this is good too. We have a pernacious Custom in France of always punishing with death a soldier caught pillaging is hung the result now what do you think the result of that would be that he's gonna say

I'm quizzing you What's your guess? Hang somebody if you if you Um, are pillaging Caught pillaging you're gonna get hung. What do you think the what do you think that happens because of that? Happens to who? What do you think do why should we not hang people for pillaging? Do you think there's a lot of pillaging going on? If you get caught pillaging they hang you? Or your fellow soldiers do you think they pillage I say no. Okay, you're wrong. The result Is that no one arrests him because they do not want to cause the death of a poor devil

who is only trying to live if instead we were only turned him over to the guard to be put in chains and condemned to bread and water for one two or three months or put to work in At any of the labors that always have to be done in any army and then they were sent to his regiment before a battle or when the general wished everyone would agree with this punishment and the officers of the patrols would arrest them by the hundreds Soon there would be no pillaging because everyone would join in putting it under control So that makes sense Yeah, it is. The reason I asked you that, which I don't normally do, is because I thought the same thing. I was like, oh, where's he going with us? Oh, yeah, and it's obvious.

Once you think about it, you're not going to report one of your guys for stealing something if the punishment was death. Bray, you know what that is? That's like, that's like, small picture versus big picture. Small picture is like, yeah, because you just look at it as yourself, right? You get your bubble in your head. You're like, I wouldn't pillage if it was death. I wouldn't pillage. And that's how you're looking at it.

But no, big picture is like. It doesn't work. Apply that to everyone. Apply it to the whole community. Exactly right. If you tell on this guy pillaging, you just sentenced him to death. If you tell on him, maybe you turn him in or whatever, that's what you did. Good point.

And I just remembered, somebody pointed out to me, you remember Rifleman Harris and it starts off when my rifleman Harris has to execute a guy? And I said, I said on the podcast, hey, this guy's getting executed basically for desertion and being drunk. What I didn't realize is, somebody sent me. me an email or a social media message they said hey the reason that guy was getting executed was because he had taken the money for like 16 enlistments and kept disappearing so when you do you get a signing bonus hey here's here's here's

there's probably nothing but you know here's here's 10 quid or pound sterling whatever here's 10 pound sterling oh you're joining the army cool here's 10 and you then you take that money go get drunk and get crazy and then you do it again and then you do it again in a different area because they have no internet they have no knowing that this is the guy when they finally catch him he's getting sentenced to death now do I think he should get sentenced to death even for that not really but he was doing something more severe than what I had mentioned on the podcast so I just wanted to while I'm thinking about that set the record straight but the the main point here

for me is the secondary effects right you think you're gonna have the primary effect is oh if we do this no one's gonna if we're gonna kill you if you get cock pillaging no one's gonna no one's gonna pillage anymore yeah no actually no one's gonna report it anymore because your punishment is too yeah strong this is also how this is also how and why when people think that oh if someone's in the military the soldiers just do what they're told wrong yeah the soldiers actually there there's secondary effects oh you're gonna kill the guys no we're not gonna report it then yeah so there's there's secondary effects

even though they've been ordered to do that and their soldiers and they have discipline they've been trained he's bragging about discipline all time guess what they don't pull that order because the order sucks yeah that's what we got to remember not just about the military but about business too you give people dumb orders or you give people things that don't make sense they're not really gonna execute it the way you'd want them to and I'll tell you something else you don't want them to execute that way because if they got hundreds of people pillaging and you now end up murdering hundreds of own your own people you're affecting your own army

you're gonna get deserters yeah I'm gonna work in an army like that the same thing with the business start laying out severe punishment punishment that doesn't make sense isn't reciprocal to the crime that was committed I mean you pillage think about what pillaging is I took some bread from the store cool we're gonna shoot you in the head Dang the punishment did not fit the crime yeah in that case all right He he he he's talking about where to build where to build tactical positions And he says and this is just the same thing he said earlier about people, but he's talking about

Basically talking about terrain now nature is infinitely stronger than the works of man why not profit from it Meaning use a river use a hill use use you use terrain to build your defensive positions don't just use you use you a shovel same thing that he talked about earlier with with human beings now another piece many persons believe that is advantageous to take the field early and this is coming right back Sun Tzu are to war be there first yeah sacks maybe doesn't agree with that a little bit here they are right when it's a question of seizing an important post otherwise it seems to me that there is no need to hasten and that one should remain in winter quarters longer than usual so he goes on

the talk winter quarters means you're you're gonna go out in the field well we're gonna go out the field now and we're gonna be cold wet and miserable for the next three days while we wait for the enemy to show up and now they show up fresh who's gonna do better in the battle yeah so just to think about I used to say the the military used to say all the time you know you got to be forward leaning you've heard that expression yeah got to be forward leaning and I would say let's not be so forward leaning that we're in the leaning rest the leaning rest is the push-up position yeah which they would leave you in for a long periods of time yeah a lot of different training situations so

sometimes you get so proactive get so leaning forward a forward leaning that you're in leaning rest and you're wasting energy just trying to be all prepared like no like you'd see some guys warm up you do such a good warm-up that you're tired yeah you went so far forward leaning that you're in the leaning rest and then the other thing is to not Warm up at all now you're not ready so you got to find well you get that's a dichotomy and leadership you got to find the balance between those two Yeah another good point here back to the book it is absolutely necessary to accustomed soldiers to labor If we examine Roman history we find we shall find that Republic looked on ease and indolence as the most formidable enemies

The consuls prepared their legions for battle by rendering them Indeatible Rather than have them idle, they employed them on unnecessary works. Continual exercise makes good soldiers because it qualifies them for military duties. By being habituated to pain, they insensibly learn to despise danger. The transition from fatigue to rest enervates them, meaning weakens them. They compare one state with another and idleness that predominant passion of mankind gains ascendancy over them. They then murmur at every trifling inconvenience and their souls soften in their emasculated bodies.

Yeah. So what he's saying is people get used to the soft ways. People get used to the easy life. And if you let him get used to it, like you, you, when you want to do something hard, when It's time to do something hard. You're not ready for it. Yep. Every minute that Charlie's out in the bush getting stronger.

Every night I'm spending in this hotel, it's apocalypse now. Every night I'm sitting in this hotel getting softer every night. Charlie's out in the bush getting stronger. That's what he's talking about here. Yep. That's what he's talking about. But now, do I agree with having people do unnecessary works? No, I don't because people see right through that.

And you're just being stupid and taking, they're going to see that. They're going to say, why are we doing? This dig the hole fill it back up dig the whole fill it back up. No don't do that but you know what we're gonna do a training exercise We're gonna do training exercise. We're gonna get stronger. We're gonna get you we're gonna dig a hole We're gonna put you know set it up for a perimeter then we're gonna move to another situation It is if we have to back away or or collapse our perimeter because when you collapse a perimeter you got to fill that hole back in Otherwise in the enemy comes attack you they use it Yeah, so you gotta fill that hole back in so let's run a real drill

Yeah, and by the way let's make it to a little contest and see how fast we can dig in and then once We get it dug in. We're gonna set up. We're gonna see how fast we can collapse it get it filled back in We're doing it at the end of it. We're gonna give out some you know some prizes and have a beer Right that's a good tactic by the way like to make a Um, whether it be a game or Oh yeah, yeah, game-fify make it yeah you totally game if Charles game of five Yeah, Jamesfaxia yeah The like if you're moving you know you know when you're moving yeah, your house or whatever and

How fast can I get the stuff packed up? Yeah, or let me use it as a little workout little Metcon and We got to move all these boxes upstairs two floors whatever you know Let me use it as a workout It kind of makes it more enjoyable as well But at the same time you get the results of a little workout right there Here let me ask you this about that when you said you didn't agree with the unnecessary Unnecessary works so what about like push-ups as punishment for example or exercise That's an interesting one because because I think I think like with kids if you make burpees a punishment

They don't like burpees if you make it a a reward they like them and you're better off yeah agree I do that by the way yeah that's good you make it a reward yeah like only the cool people do burpees that's what they see dad doing burpees dad doing you know these whatever exercise yeah only cool people do it I kind of push hard on that too but it's unfair but no the question is though in the military in the military yeah not kids no calisthenics are definitely punishment in the military yeah straight up and it's not until you transition out of the boot camp series could that you

Get away from that now in the SEAL teams like they don't you don't do Calisthenics as punishment I will say that If you mess up like for instance when I was running training if the guys Performed poorly they were gonna have more downed men again this is a training I'm talking about fake down men, but they're gonna have more men that couldn't walk That's more men that have to be carried That's punishment in its own right That's a punishment. That's a punishment.

If you, when I was running a communications course, when I was a younger enlisted seal, if you missed a communications window, you had to walk a longer distance. Mm-hmm. If you missed multiple, you're gonna have to walk tragic distances. But that wasn't just a natural result of you missing, missing. It was, did you impose that punishment?

Okay, yes, it was imposed. And they knew it was imposed. Yeah, okay. And so, yeah, you, if you, if you, You miss in the seal teams if you miss the extraction point with a boat's coming to pick you up after a dive Well, now you got to swim to the new exact new pickup point. Guess what the new pickup point isn't close Yeah, because you've compromised now. You're above the surface. You need to get away Yeah, and so that means you got to swim an extra you know, maybe it's an extra hour of surface swimming with a rig on

Which is not fun by the way. No, it doesn't sound fun. Yeah, because you can't you're not just you're not just having fun, right? It's called turtabacking. I know You're laying on your back because it's really awkward. It's it's it's comfortable to dive with our dive rig. We have a dive rig That's it's called a rebreather and it goes on your chest and it's small It's not it's not tiny closed circuit. It's closed circuit. Yeah, look at you look at you big time So it's a closed circuit dive rig, but when it runs out you can't doesn't work anymore So you have to swim and we do something called turtle back generally which is basically you're laying on your back And you're just finning and it takes a long time to move very far and it's not comfortable So the punishment is in training if you miss your extraction point that's fine

Just got to swim to the alternate extraction point the alternate extraction point is not gonna be close by Because you screwed up yeah same thing with if you miss your helicopter extraction Because you took too long on target and you got bogged down and it took you long time to move all these down people That's I mean it happens we understand that but now you're have to walk to the secondary extraction point, which happens to be six kilometers up a hill. Yeah. See, but that's, to me, and this is me thinking, whatever, 10 seconds about it, that seems like that makes perfect sense.

In fact, that seems like a cool little strategy, because in real life, that's how it works. You miss the bus, you ride the bus to school. You miss the bus, you're walking to school or riding your bike, whatever. It's kind of that thing. That's how life deals it to you a lot of the time, like these types of things, like what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. But let's say, hey, you know, your shoes aren't shined or whatever.

I don't know. You aren't shine. Give me 50 push-ups. Yeah, no, they don't do that. Well, they don't do it in the SEAL teams. They definitely do it in the Army. They definitely do it in the Rangers. The Rangers, they're dropping down all the time.

Right, right, right. But no, we don't do that in the same things. So that's the question, though. Do you agree with that? Or do you even think about that kind of stuff? I don't think about that kind of stuff. Yeah. I think being, I would say that I would not do it.

it when I was in a military leadership position just because I would rather I don't know yeah it's weird it feels like it like you like it makes sense when I know that the army runs it that way it makes sense and by the way when the army does it and I shouldn't even say anything else about the way the army does it because I'm not I don't know exactly how they implement that strategy so yeah next time we have Tim Kennedy on we'll get him to give us a full debrief on that we'll get another another Ranger on here to give us a full debrief on that Here's something. So I was watching this show,

this random show me and my wife, before we were married when we were just dating whatever, we'd watch these random shows. And it was a kind of like a reality show, kind of like a competition show, but it was, I think, Army. Like, you know, you grab regular people, put them in an Army scenario.

You give them, like, missions, and it's like. Because they have a Ranger, they have a Best Ranger. Every year they have a Best Ranger competition, which is a really hardcore competition. Yeah. Well, it was, it's, you know what, it's a lot like the FTX.

A lot like that, but it's a whole, like, you know, you're there for like a month or whatever. And same, but a lot of drill sergeant type situation, dropping me 20, 50, whatever, right? So it was towards the end of the season or whatever. And this girl was like, she was like, dang, look how strong and like muscular my arms are now. Just from all the pushups we had to do and stuff like that. Just by happenstance, sure, she was getting punished. Sure, she was learning to, you know, follow directions more meticulously and all the stuff that you learn from, you know, the whole, you know, the whole, you know, know orders versus punishment situation but as kind of a byproduct if you will

she has some physical strength now you know yeah wonder if that has something to do with it oh no definitely you're definitely you're definitely making people stronger there's no doubt about it yeah that's all that's all positive for sure yeah yeah this there's no doubt you the the great bright byproduct of of calisthenics as punishment is you get stronger yeah in but like in the in the seals it's weird it's It's weird. It's not a thing. Yeah. It's not a thing.

Like hey, you're gonna drop down and give me 50. Like that literally, I never saw that happen a single. Mm-hmm. It might have happened with new guys sometimes. Like, occasionally like a new guy that you're not getting through to them. Okay, guess what? But even with new guys, if you really want to get through to new guy, what you want them to be good at is tactics, not push-ups. People in teams, you're supposed to do push-ups on your own, man.

Yeah, that's kind of what it seems like. We're not in here to teach you how to do push-ups. Like, you need to be in shape. But we want to make you better tactical. Better things to do what I was going to say. But here, but at the same time, you can't help but wonder maybe that's just like, that's a certain way of looking at it, which is good. It seems obvious, seems effective to me.

But what if there's something like that, you know, like something from back in the day, some old school fundamental principle that that's kind of why you do it. That's super effective. Maybe that's why in the teams they don't do it because they want you to be self-disciplined. Yeah, like specifically. Yeah, not self not disciplined by the group, but imposed discipline So well regardless, I think that you should train hard Because you don't want to have your soul get softened inside of your emasculated body

That just sounds like something I don't want to be a part of it's all keep training Back to the book there is more skill in one might think in in Then one might think in making poor dispositions intentionally, but one must be able to change them into good ones in an instant. So he's talking about how you set yourself up in a bad position only to Let the enemy try and maneuver on that, but you're waiting for them if you're ready and do something you change your position and do something good Like in Jiu Jitsu when you let someone set up a triangle, but you're just trying to pass their guard Gotcha. Yeah Nothing is more disconcerting to the enemy. He has counted on a side of a side of a triangle. I'm gonna'clock a certain way. I'm gonna certain thing has disposed himself accordingly and at the instant of attacking it has changed so so this is

this is pretty cool right this is a good thing to remember i like what he talked about is is psychological effect that it has on the enemy so the enemy sees something they expect something they want something to go a certain way so they arrange themselves for it and then right when they're getting ready to Did they realize it wasn't what they thought and he says there's nothing more disconcerting and I'd say that's true with the person too Mm-hmm you know with the unexpected is what disturbs people especially You see this all the time in MMA where a guy gets close to a submission and then he get the other guy gets out Yeah, and he expended some of the energy you can see the you can see the the The moral draining from their face when it happens bad I get that sometimes

Do you sometimes He goes on I repeat Nothing confuses him so greatly and leads him into more serious faults If he does not change his disposition, he will be defeated and if he changes them in the presence of the enemy He will still be defeated Human spirit cannot meet it I'm trying to think of how that affects someone's psych. Oh yeah, it affects it definitely affects you psychologically like you throw the You you think you're to get this person to try to

You put it on there and then all of a sudden boom you realize it's not just that you missed the triangle It's so you realize that you got played. Yeah, you got set right up and that doesn't feel good and that can definitely hurt your morale Yeah, yeah big time That's a little different than just missing the move when you realize you got set up That it messes up your whole game so okay, so you roll with stilts, right? Yeah Okay, so that's that's it. I don't want to say that's his whole game, but that's his game right there So like if you go you know? side control or mount or whatever he has dangerous moves he wants you there one yes exactly right so it's

like and every once in a while you get rolling with them like kind of hard it'll seem like he's trying to defend the mount but he's really letting you think that you got the mount right you know because you know if you're like if someone's letting you mount you know they're letting you out yeah and if they're going to spring some sort of a trap it's going to be more obvious if they're letting you do it but you get them where he kind of lets you do it to the point where you don't realize he's letting you yeah you just got and then again for sure after while he keeps you doing stuff like that too you're like bro i don't even really want to do anything to him because he's just gonna set me it's this is just a bunch of traps right now so it messes up your whole game you can't do

anything yeah like on your own accord though it's not like he's preventing you from doing anything yeah it's like you're preventing yourself now that's a that's a situation you have to deal with but actually i actually figured it out i figured out in um i didn't figure it out i figured out a method to deal with just that whole scenario with him by the way and he even like asked me afterwards so I was like oh let's I was going hard and I was you know how you get real like weary like okay I know he's going to send me so it was real uneventful roll so I was like hey let's go roll again and then I just loosened up and basically allowed him to spring whatever trap he wants and he did all this stuff and he was like hey you were rolling a lot lighter in that

time I was like no bro I'm just trying to I'm trying to turn on the lights to all your traps that you set you know so it's kind of like that thing It just comes with like the type of training like you can't Regard the training as a competition. Yeah, you know you got to go in and be like otherwise you were not learning anything Yeah, but man in a war battle or in a competition scenario. It's like it'll mess you a big time I'm trying to think if I ever got played like that on the battlefield You know sometimes we'd hit a target And it was real obvious that

You know we had been I wouldn't say set up but like there's no one there Like clearly the information that we got was wrong and you'd be kind of like, dang, you know, be like, man, that wasn't good. Yeah. And really on a real rudimentary level, that's what an IED is. You know, it's like they want to make it look like a trash can or a regular something you have to address or something like that. You know, a place where you have to go anyway, the road. I don't know, on a real simple level, that's kind of what that is.

So now you're like, shoot, now we've got to be weary of everyday things. Normal protocol. We've got to be weary of that. Yeah, that's a. That's a digger on the psychology for sure Back to the book I do not care for either one Oh sorry it says lines and entrenchment so he's talking about lines and entrenchments meaning defensive positions I do not care for either

The one or the other of these works when I hear talk of lines I always think I am hearing of talk of the walls of China The good ones are those that nature has made and the good and treas Frenchments are good dispositions and brave soldiers again just capitalizing on nature and saying that brave soldiers are more important than your position Man always fears the consequences of danger more than danger itself Totally true when and I'll tell you what's equally or you could throw in there is the the Anticipation of danger is probably the worst thing Yeah, you know, I see this, I see a lot of kids on the wrestling mat right now because it's wrestling season.

And you can see the kids get nervous before they get on the map, but they want to get on the mat, they're in the game. Yeah. And now you're, now you're doing your job. Yeah. But the anticipation of what could happen, yeah. Drives people crazy. When is that? Like, you know, because you got it, you felt that before.

Or, you know, back the day when we were competing. Yeah. That, like, in Jiu Jitza tournaments, where, especially back, actually your, one of your last competitions was, my first competition. By the way, yeah. Where was that? In L.A. It was called like the Pan Ams

of submission grappling. It wasn't the Pan Ams, Pan Ams. It was like, I think like submission grappling. It was no. How did I do? I don't know.

I don't remember. Yeah. I remember seeing all the pictures because one of the, it's funny. One of like, it's not an icon. It was a tournament?

Yeah. So remember Alicia photos? Who ran it? Who ran it? Who ran the tournament? I have no idea. I didn't even know there was tournaments.

And I saw, one or brand at the time was like yeah the term I was like oh we can have tournaments I was like boom so I just jumped on it real quick what was the iconic photo I say it's iconic because it's a kind of a long word very strong it's not iconic at all actually but it's okay I'm so I'm we I have this guy his name is Jim you'll probably know him Jim he I have him in a it's not an American it's a straight arm lock and I wound up tapping him out and Alicia photos So that was the photographer at the time.

The main one had a really good picture of it. It was such a good picture. It was in the front of her website. The picture, right? That's why I call it iconic photo. Anyway, full on novice. Everyone knows that photo. Everyone.

They probably do if they were competing back at the day. If they know Leifio photos. Anyway, full on, like novice division. I was like, I had been trained for two months, twice a week, by the way, for two months, boom, novice. Still, just dominating out there. Look at you. Weaning. No, I actually lost.

I lost my first match. It took third. Nonetheless, it doesn't matter. So I know that you did it because when I was looking through the pictures, it was you. I think you were competing against like So could you or somebody. I think. I remember as you. I don't think I've ever competed against So could you.

Yeah. Well, it was maybe, I don't know, some other black guy. But I don't know. I remember it was you because I remember like you. I'll have to check that out. Nonetheless. I'll have to explore that. But what was the point there?

Oh, yeah. Waiting for the match is like, that's the nerve-wracking part. Like rolling, even when you step on the match and you see the guy in front of you getting right, right, that's not nerve-wracking at all. That's like every day you see that. There was an iconic picture of Sarge. This was pretty iconic.

And it was going against one of the Gracie's kids. So it was Henner or... I think it was Halleck. I think so, yeah. And he's, but he's double-legged him. You know what I'm talking? Sarge just got like. the savage double leg which Sarge has a savage double leg it's another thing when I see

these by the way talking about Brian Sargent one of my buddies who has a jiu jitza school in Connecticut it's called jiu jitzu life but he has he's a good wrestler but when I see these kids and he he wrestled at Poway high school which is a one of the best wrestling high schools maybe in the country. I mean, it's definitely incredible program. And he went there and wrestled there. And I see, and occasionally I'll see a kid that just has Sarge's attitude.

And I saw one at this last tournament. This kid was just all over hitting, I mean, it looked, it didn't look fair, right? I mean, he was just murdering. This kid from Poway was getting after. It was pretty awesome to watch. And you could see just boom, boom, boom, boom, he's hitting the Devils.

But it reminded me of the iconic picture of Sarge oh there's a picture so yeah there's a picture of Sarge and they put him on they was it was one of those pictures that was so good that they put it like on the cover scene I think I don't know if it was that one or if it happened later in the match he was double-legged him out of bounds like he was into the table so yeah you gotta you gotta watch out for Sarge's double legs he'll put you on your ass quick And he won too Sarge won. Hard to submit.

So like you just got taken down, that's two points. Right. And now what are you going to do? Because you can't sweep, Sarge, right? It's hard. I mean, of course you can, but it's hard. Yeah. You only have a few minutes and it's hard to submit.

Oh, but you got back to your feet. Cool. You just got taken out again. Yeah. Yeah, that's the rub with the real good judo guys or wrestler guys. That's the rub. What's the rub? Oh, how do you solve that problem?

Yeah, become a better wrestling. Typically, that's not it. Yeah, because Tyrone Woodley, Tyrone Woodley fought Damien Maia, and Damien is an incredible jitutesu player, and he couldn't get Tyron down to the mat. And every time he shot, I would hit my son. Because every time, every time Damian shot, he would, Tyron would just stuff the shot.

And I'd hit my son and go, that's why you wrestle. That's where you wrestle, boy. Because you're going to be able to take people down. Yeah, and then once you get to the ground, if you have the jiu-jitsu, well, now you got problems. Yeah. Because Tyron didn't want to go to the ground with Damien. No. Because that would have been very problematic for him.

Yeah, but Tyron Woodley is a wrestler. Oh, yeah. Was that you who said there's a difference between someone who can wrestle versus a wrestler? Yes, that was me, yes. Yes. Taran Woodley is right. And that's why I say that's not the problem. Or that's why I say that's not the solution.

If you have a wrestler always taking you down and the solution is to get better a wrestler, It's not a solution because you want to get better at something that this guy's probably getting better. And this is just chances are. I'm not saying it's an absolute. But he's probably, A, getting better. B, already super good at it. So it's like the solution is to chase something that's 12 years ahead of you. Yeah.

He's eight years ahead of you in wrestling. Yeah. Yeah, so that's not the solution. I don't know what this is. I'm not saying don't wrestle. Well, I think I'll tell you what this is, what I think the solution is off the top of my head. You learn enough wrestling and then you figure out how to incorporate your jiu-jitsu into the wrestling. So that, and I say this all the time, and Dean will tell you the same thing.

Dean will hesitate to shoot on me because he knows there's significant threats there. He'll shoot all day on a good wrestler because he doesn't care what happens. They're not going to catch him, most likely. I mean, obviously a jih-jitsu wrestler, it's going to happen. And I feel the same way. I'll shoot all day on a good wrestler because I don't care. They're not going to catch me anything. And if they do, be able to do the proper defense and escape it.

But Dean, no, like, no, that's a real problem. Yeah. Same with Andy. You shoot on Andy? You're, you know, it's like, okay, that could be problematic. Yeah. And not even just pay for it. You can lose.

Right there. Yeah. Yeah. Andy and I have a problem. Whoever shoots, whoever shoots loses. Yeah, because we both have good anti-restling. So. Yeah, that's it.

That's the solution right there. You got to figure out the counter, the kryptonite to the wrestling. Right. In whatever way, because that's not just, oh, yeah, just do that. That's not how it is it's but that's the direction. That's the solution. Yeah, and there's there's There's problems with that well, there's not problems with that one of the easiest ways is to be very I guess this is a problem is to be very Non-aggressive because if all you're trying to do is avoid getting taken down

You already are are a lot harder to take down then if you like if I go in and start trying to take down a wrestler they're going to put me on my ass because I'm trying to take them they know their counter is that much better their timing is that much better they hit the switch boom all of a sudden I'm down you know but if I'm just trying to avoid you it's the same thing with somebody that's a really good striker

if you're just if your goal is to if you start striking with a striker that's better than you you are more likely to get knocked out you're more likely to get hit because you're playing their that's the point you're playing their game yeah and you don't want to play their game now what sucks about that

and it even happened to the Tyron Woodley fight it was a boring fight because it was shots getting stuffed stand up some striking shots getting stuffed stand up striking shots getting stuff that's what the fight was it was a very boring fight

because his goal is to not get taken down and he's a wrestler so he had the capability of doing it and now was that I'll tell you what you do for a wrestling situation is one of those simple it's not easy at all but simple you

find a way to get to the back from the bottom. Well, yeah, that's great. I mean, yeah, you find a way to submit them, that's great too. No, no, no, but get to the back because, Dippen, Ander Gaval. Get them to their back?

No, get on their back. Oh, for sure. Get on their back. Under, he was, he told me this when he was gonna fight Chil Sonan from Mena Morse. And he was like,

he was like, yeah, it's interesting fighting wrestlers or whatever, it's like they can provide, like, that, I'm totally paraphrasing, they can provide these really hard situations for you.

In Jiu-Jitsu for many reasons. They're super hard, hard people to fight. But if you can figure it out, you gotta figure out ways where wrestling provides weaknesses in a Jiu-Jitsu scenario. And then if you watch the match, sure enough, like he was, Shelsani was really good at stuffing, stuffing, stuffing, stuffing, stuff and then you could see

Galvao was like just slowly and then he got to the back. Yeah, and I used to coach Dean with the same idea of, you know, if he was going against I'd say use your jiu jitsu if he's going against a good jiu jitsu guy to use your wrestling Dean would have a tendency because of his personality to want to go against them in their strength so he'd try and out wrestle wrestlers he'd try and out jiu jih Tutsu guys he would he would that's his natural tendency would be to go at people's strengths and I'd have to like say no do jiu jitsu against this guy and then he'd do it and get what he needed to get back to the book when

one is obliged to defend entrenchments one should post all the battalions directly behind the parapet because if once the enemy sets foot upon that those in the rear will think of nothing but to save themselves this is because of the consternation in men when something happens that they have not expected again consternation is like shock so he's again emphasizing the fact that when people aren't expecting something it is a major downer for it's a major down for me it interrupts what's happening yeah and that's why you got to think of contingencies that's one of the biggest things one of the best things about thinking

about contingencies is just that you're aware of it's gonna have just that that you've thought about it for a half a second big too that makes you so much better off getting caught completely getting caught completely off guard I mean this happens in jiu jitzu the thing that you get caught with is the thing that you didn't see coming you That's the thing that catches you. The thing that surprises you and you're like, how'd that happen? Yeah.

It surprised you. That's what you get caught with. Even like in your house, like that's the one I think of a lot where, you know, when you're in your house and if you think of like, what if there's someone in here? Oh, yeah. Right now. Yeah. You're not even necessarily of how scary that would be necessarily, but it's like, okay,

what if there's someone in here? At least I'm ready for the fact that someone's in here. My daughter, my eight-year-old daughter will try and scare me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she'll hide somewhere and if I don't expect it, I get startled. You'll get you. Yeah, she'll get you. And then what I do is I just, you know, you're talking about punishments.

No, what I, no, I punish myself. Oh, that's good. So she scared me twice last year. Like that actually made me a little bit startled. She tried 98 times. 96 of them were ineffective. All right. But I'll tell you what.

I punished myself. Yeah. What was it? Burpees. Burpees. And then, but I really enjoy scaring people. Sure. A lot. I don't know why.

I find it very entertaining and funny and satisfying. So I do, when I scare people, it like makes them cry. Yeah. I can see that. Wait, wait. So how do you scare them? Do you do the loud noise one or do you? Yeah.

You know, because a lot of times the loud noise isn't the scary thing. Right. And sometimes the scratching at the window is a lot more scary. Yeah. Sometimes you think you're home alone. think your dad's gone and then all of a sudden there's like scratching at the window and there's a noise of the door opening and you start calling out for your dad but he doesn't answer and then there's more scratching at the window and then all of a sudden there's

someone with a mask on that comes into the room by the flashlight yeah you can't do that man that's that's like that's a violation you can do that no but I do do that yeah I can see that yeah so anyways that's that back to the book he's well let me catch us up to where we're talking about the shock that happens when people Don't expect something back to the book. This is a general rule in war and decides all battles and all actions. It comes from the human heart and is what induced me to compose this work. I do not believe that anyone yet has attempted to find there the reasons for the poor success of armies.

Thus, when you have stationed your troops behind a parapet, they hope by their fire to prevent the enemy from passing the ditch and mounting it. If this happens, in spite of the fire, they give themselves. up for lost, lose their heads, and fly. It would be much better to post a single rank there, armed with pikes, whose business will be to push the assailant back as fast as they attempt to mount. And certainly, they will execute this duty because it is what they expect and what they prepared for.

If with this, you post infantry formed, according to my method into centuries at a distance of 30 paces from the entrenchment, these troops will see that they are placed there to charge the enemy as fast as he enters and attempts to form they will not be astonished to see the enemy enter because they expect it and will charge vigorously instead if instead they had been placed on the parapet they would have fled that is how a trifle changes everything in war and how human weaknesses cannot be managed except by allowing for them that's that's a heavy right there human weaknesses cannot be managed you have to allow for them think about that you know you have to do that all time as a leader you have to well you have to

try and do it as leader because if you don't try and manage these weaknesses you you you you don't allow for them then they're gonna they're gonna jam you up as you would say yeah so you got somebody with a big ego you got to put you got to put them in a situation where that ego is gonna flourish and not be offended and and when it does get offended you got to allow for for that and how you're gonna adapt to it yeah it's like expecting perfection you know you know like if you expect perfection yeah well you're gonna be let down a bunch yeah is what I'm saying so if you allow for imperfection it's kind of you can you

can just manage better so there's two major points you know number one if you set people up so that what they what they expect to happen happens they're gonna have a better chance of achieving what it is you want them to achieve because if these guys are in the parapet and all of a sudden They get run upon and they're surprised by it and their mission was to defend the parapet. Well, now they're getting overrun. Whereas if you say, no, once the parapet gets taken, you attack. Now they know the parapet's going to be surprised to them.

They expect it to happen and then when they get the opportunity, they're going to get in there and get after it. But man, allowing the managing human weakness, the only way you can do it is by allowing for it. At least some measure of it. Yeah. Good. Good lesson learned that's something you can think about as you lead people you can think about

Hey man this is a little weakness here and if I don't allow for that and give that some room and I count on You know Flynn Flynn from Echalon Front newest member of Echalon Front but he just wrote an article about a guy He was stationed on a ship before he got to the teams and He was saying this guy had been late for work and but he was trying to bring the guy along had a lot of potential B'u-b-a-law anyways they go to actually do a Important training with their weapons on the ship that they were on and the guy missed the ship leaving port And he says you know I should have fired the guy before this and now I'm out here. I don't have this primary guy and you let down me and let down the ship and everything like that But he didn't account for human weakness. He you know he thought that he could bring this guy along, but he just you know, it's one of those things if you don't allow for that human weakness and he just you know, it's one of those things if you don't allow for that human weakness

in there you might be you might be getting left high and dry which is not good that's in the made that thing on the echelon front web page which is called the platoon hut yeah and we're just like writing little I guess it could be referred to as a blog that's not really a blog because a blog to me seems a very you know just hey we're going to write whatever bloggy yeah so this is this is some little I guess you might want to call them articles yeah And there's like like let little lessons. Yeah, yeah, of course, little lessons. Yeah, I like, I enjoy a platoon hut.

The platoon hut. And the reason we called a platoon hut is because that's where you'd sit around and talk shop. I guess we talk about other things, but when you get back from a training op. Because when you're overseas, you still have a platoon hut, but it's not the platoon. I guess it is the platoon hut. But anyways, yeah, even there. So when you get back from an operation, you come in you debrief and you get done with the official debrief, but then you go into the platoon hut. Yeah, yeah.

Hey man, you should do this and so yeah, so that's one of those he as a young Surface warfare officer in the Navy didn't allow for the human weakness of this young sailor and it cost him The Greeks were very skillful in the art of war and well disciplined But their large phalanx was never able to contend with the small bodies of Romans Disposed in this formation now he goes on to there's a guy name Polybius and he goes on to quote a huge chunk of text from Polybius Polybius was a Greek historian and Polybius actually talked about why the Roman armies could defeat the phalanx and pretty interesting so here's what

he said it is easy to demonstrate by many reasons that while the phalanx retains its proper form and full power of action, no force is able to stand against it in front or in support of the violent attack. So while the phalanx is in order, you're not going to be able to defeat it. So the phalanx is a military formation, and he talks a little bit about what it's made up of here. When the ranks are closed in order to engage each soldier as he stands with his arms, occupies a space of three feet.

The spears in their ancient form were 17 cubits long. A cubit is about 18 inches. But for the sake of rendering them more commodious in actions, they have since been reduced to 14. Of these four cubits are contained between the part which the soldier grasps in his hands and the lower end of the spear behind, which serves as a counterpoise to the part that is extended before him. And when and the length of this last part from the body of the soldier when the spear is pushed forwards with both hands against the enemy is in consequence 10 cubits From hence it follows that when the phalanx is closed in its proper form

Every soldier pressed within the necessary distance with respect to the man that is before him and on his side the Spears of the fifth rank are extended to the length of two cubits and those of the second third and fourth to a still greater length beyond the foremost rank it is manifest manifest then that several spears differing each other in the length of two cubits are extended before every man in the foremost rank and when it is considered likewise that the phalanx is formed by 16 in depth it will be easy to conceive what must be the weight and violence of the entire body and how great the force of its attack so you got guys 16 people deep 16 people deep and they've got these spears and they adjust the spears depending on where you are in the rank so the guy that's five ranks back still has a little bit of his spear sticking out and by the way if one of those guys goes down

there's another 14 people there ready to take his place so the phalanx was locked together the shields protecting the person to your left and it's like a porcupine of death locked together And obviously the the Greeks were hardcore warriors And this is what they used and they used to crush people with this phalanx crush them Spears and shields that's all you see Now

Pilebeus talks about what the Romans did and what their setup was Back to the book to each of the Roman soldiers as he stands in arms as a a lot of the same space of three feet. But as every soldier in time of action is constantly in motion being forced to shift his shield continuously so that he may cover any part of his body against which a stroke is aimed and to vary the position of his sword so as to either push or to make a falling stroke, there must be also a distance of three feet. The least that can be allowed for performing these motions with advantage between each soldier and the man that stands next him both on his side and behind him so the Romans are in the same similar

position but they're moving individually inside these little positions so not working together they're they're more mobile it will be easy therefore to conceive that while the phalanx retains its proper position and strengths no troops as I have before observed can a support the attack of it in front so if you're going against the phalanx you're gonna lose if you're going to front to what cause then is it a described that the Roman armies are victorious and those defeated that employed the phalanx So how was it that the Romans were able to beat the phalanx? This is the cause in war

The times and places of action are various and indefinite But there is only one time in place one fixed and determined manner of action that is suited to the phalanx In the case of a general action, if an enemy be forced to encounter with the phalanx in the very time and place which the latter requires, it is probable in the highest degree that the phalanx must obtain victory. So if you fight the phalanx where the phalanx wants you to fight it, meaning on a big open area, you're going to lose. but if it is possible to avoid an engagement in such circumstances and it is indeed easy to do it there is nothing to be dreaded from this order of battle and here's where it gets to the nitty gritty it is well known and it acknowledged truth that the phalanx requires a ground that is plain and naked and free from obstacles of every kind such as trenches breaks and brows of hills

or the channels of rivers and that any of these are sufficient to impeachers It and to dissolve it the and to dissolve the order in which it was formed if the enemy Coming down down on it should lead their army through the country plundering the cities and ravaging the lands of what use then will be the phalanx So all you have to do is get them in some rough terrain You get them on some rough terrain and that phalanx I mean it's it's hard to march already. We know that but now we're marching against weird terrain and The guy in front of you trips and falls well he what is he hit he hits a rock and now that makes this guy fall And all of a sudden we got a big disaster on our hands back to the book when the Romans attack the phalanx in the front They never employ all their forces so as to make their line equal to that of the enemy

But lead on only a part of their troops and the rest they keep in reserve Now whether the troops the phalanx break the line that is opposed to them or whether they are broken themselves The formation peculiar to the phalanx is a like dissolved so even if they win that initial onsen Even if the phalanx wins that the phalanx is out of order if they pursue the fugitive or if on the other hand they retreat and are pursued in either case they are separated from the rest of their own body and thus there is left some space which the reserve of the Roman army takes care to seize and then charges the remaining part of the phalanx But the charge is not made against the front but in the flank or the rear since it is easy then to avoid the conditions that are favorable to the phalanx and since those on the contrary that are disadvantageous to it can never be avoided it is certain that this difference alone must carry with it a decisive weight in time of action so let them get a little bit disrupted

once they're disrupted flank them the troops of the phalanx lose all their strength when they engage in separate companies or man on man the Roman order on the contrary is never attended even on such occasions with any disadvantage among the Romans every single soldier when he is once armed and ready for service is a like fitted and engaged fitted to engage in any time or place or on any appearance of the enemy and preserves that always the same power and the same capacity in action whether in separate companies or man-to-man so big destructive element in front of you Don't go head on head with it.

We've learned this over and over again. You might want to distract it, sure. But then you hit him from the flank. And don't face people on their best category, right? Don't wrestle against the wrestler. Don't do jiu-jitsu against the jiu-tie-to-gui-tie-tie-tie-goy. Don't box against the boxer. Don't go at them and don't do it where they want to do it.

That's real important in disrupting the phalanx. Now he talks about attacking entrenchments, which again, these are defensive positions. when an entrenchment is to be attacked and attempt should be made to extend the lines as much as possible. Makes sense, right? I just don't want to, I want to make the person think

that we're going to attack him on the whole line that he's got. This will make the enemy fearful everywhere so that he will not withdraw troops from any point to reinforce that which you intend to attack even after he discovers it. This makes many of his troops useless,

and this was D-Day. So what we did on D-Day. You know, they did those massive deception operations, the Brits the Americans have built those fake tanks and fake planes and put them all they were inflatable You've seen that stuff right have you seen that? Oh yeah the Americans and the Brits when we were trying to To confuse Hitler about where we were going to attack D-Day They made these they made like fake

Airplanes and fake tanks and they put them in different locations that it indicated that we'd probably be attacking this spot instead of that spot and it all works And so he had to defend the whole line. He actually defended those areas where they thought the attack was coming more than they defended the area or D-Day was Little deception operation Back to the book too much attention cannot be paid to spies and guides They are like eyes and are equally necessary to a general He is too much money cannot be spent to get good ones These men should be chosen in the country where the war is being fought. They should be intelligent cunning and discreet the commanding general I have formed a picture of a commanding general which is not

chimirical I have seen such men the first qualities the first of all qualities is courage without this the others are of little value since they cannot be used the second is intelligence which must be strong and fertile in expedience the third is health he should possess a talent for sudden appropriate improvisation that's a good that's you don't expect that a talent for sudden and appropriate improvisation if I didn't make this clear enough he's kind of going through the characteristics that he believes a good commanding general should have he should be able to penetrate the minds of other men while remaining impenetrable himself he should be

endowed with the capacity of being prepared for everything With the activity with activity accompanied by judgment with the skill to make proper decision on all occasions and with exactness of discernment Good lists He should have a good disposition free from from Caprice and be a stranger to hatred and caprice is like you're just gonna change your mind all the time He should punish without mercy especially those who are dearest to him but never from anger. Okay. Because remember earlier he was talking about B?

Yeah. Kind of chill with the lashings. But he says you should punish without mercy, especially those who are dearest to you. And I think that goes to what he was saying about troops. Hey, you're going to draft people? You got to make sure you draft the rich people too. And I think he's saying you've got to treat people fairly, right?

Even when you're lashed. boys yeah he should always be grieved when he is forced to execute the military rules and should have the example of Manilius constantly before his eyes and manlius actually manlius he was like a Roman hero during during the Golic siege and he but beyond that he is sort of like a I want to call him a human rights advocate but maybe that's too strong of a word but anyways he ended up getting a crucif not crucified thrown from him from from a great height and killed as execution but he sort of seen as a guy that stood up he almost was in like an alamo scenario like in Texas when that when they when they

stood and were killed he was in one of those situations but he wasn't killed during that gallic siege of Rome anyways back to the book he should disson The discard the idea that is he who punishes and should persuade himself and others that he only administers the military laws With these qualities, he will be loved He will be feared and without doubt obeyed The functions of a general are infinite. He must know how to subsist his army and how to husband it How to place it so that it will not be forced upon to fight except when he chooses how to form his troops in an infinity of different dispositions,

how to profit from that favorable moment which occurs in all battles and which decides their success. All these things are of immense importance and are as varied as the situations and dispositions which produce them. In order to see all these things, the general should be occupied with nothing else the day of the battle. The inspection of the terrain and the disposition of his troops should be prompt like the flight of an eagle This done his orders should be short and simple as for instance the first line of attack the first line will attack and the second will be in support boom

That's it keep it simple the generals under his command must be Incompetent indeed if they do not know how to execute this order and to perform the proper maneuvers with their respective divisions thus the commander-in-chief will not be forced to occupy himself with it nor be embarrassed with the details for if he tempts to be a battle sergeant and be everywhere himself he will resemble the fly in the fable that thought he was driving the coach thus on the day of the battle I should want the general to do nothing his observations will be better for it His judgment will be more sane, and he will be in a better state to profit from the situations

in which the enemy finds himself during the engagement. And when he sees an occasion, he should unleash his energies, hasten to the critical point at top speed, seize the first troops available, advance them rapidly, and lead them in person. These are the strokes that decide battles and gain victories. The important thing is to see the opportunity and know how to you. use it so what he's saying there's you got to be detached he's saying you got to be detached and then you got to stay back you got to look around now he also says once you see the critical moment you got to get up in there and make it happen but he's saying

you definitely can't get laid down in the weeds you can't be the sergeant that's trying to do everything back to the book many commanding generals only spend their time on the day of the battle and making their troops march in a straight line in seeing that they keep their proper distances in answering questions which their aides-de-camp come to ask in sending them and thither and thither and in running about incessantly themselves in short they try to do everything and as a result do nothing so this is a great this is just you're in a leadership position you try and do everything yourself you're

not going to do anything at all then it's the same that's the same thing as prioritized next cute if you try and solve all the problems that are happening at the same time you're not going to solve any of those problems they appear to me like men with their heads turned who know longer see anything and who are only able to do what they have done all their lives, which is to conduct troops methodically under the orders of a commander. How does this happen? It is because very few men occupy themselves with the higher problems of war. They pass their lives drilling troops and believe that this is the only branch of the military act. When they arrive at the

command of armies they are totally ignorant and in default of knowing what should be done they do what they know that is so classic it's so classic when people don't know they don't know they don't understand something they do what they know how to do they always default into what they know how to do their minds are closed one of the branches of the art of war that is to say drill and the method of fighting is methodical the other is intellectual for the conduct of the latter it is essential that ordinary men should not be chosen unless a man is born with a talent for war he will never be other than a mediocre general it is

the same with all talents in painting or in music or in poetry the talent must be inherent for excellence all sublime arts are alike in this respect that is why we see so few outstanding men in science centuries passed without producing one application rectifies ideas but does not furnish a soul for that is the work of nature you know I just answered a question on Twitter I think it was and I basically said well you know you can't do whatever you want just be You believe in it and you have hard work and discipline like that that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want like as a career or something Yeah like and I always use the example like I couldn't be

An Olympic Let's say an Olympic weightlifter or in fact I don't know that there's any Olympic sport that I would be that I have the Genetic Make up to be able to to be able to compete at the Olympic level Of course we could go back and maybe that's possible from a child and but I don't feel like it But even right now You know if you take that to the extreme

That means hey you know what if I have the focus And if I have the discipline I can become an Olympic wrestler now High jumper Olympic high jumper right How's that vert looking So you see what I'm saying Now my opinion is

That is not true And some people are not going to achieve Certain things that they may want to achieve Certain things that they may want to achieve no matter how hard they want to do it and I you know most people like yeah. That's realistic Some people are like no you can believe if you believe it you can achieve it It's like if I could believe it if I could achieve it because I believed it dude I'd be like I'd be I'd be just all winning Sure everything sure it's not that easy

Yeah you got to believe it you got to work hard at you got have some natural capabilities Mm-hmm It's the way it is. I'm sorry to let everyone down. Was your line is one of those lines that you can kind of take with you. He said belief, something about, what is it? I have not yet. The master you said it, belief is not going to make anything happen.

But at the same time, without belief, nothing's going to happen. Totally true. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, you've got, absolutely. So yes, belief by itself won't make anything happen. Yeah. That, you know, some people,

They'll sit around, oh yeah, I believe I can do this, so I'm going to achieve. No, no, no. If you want to achieve, you've got to do something. Yeah. And the same token that is also correct is that if you don't believe in what you're doing, then, yeah, there's no way you're going to achieve it. You won't be able to gut through it when it gets problematic, which it's certainly going to. So, Sacks agrees with me that, hey, the work of nature has to be in play.

Yeah. Otherwise, it's not happening. You might get to some level, but reality is. That's hard. I think that's a hard one to admit you you don't seem like you want to admit this No, no no no over there like you you you wanted to go the distance put it this way It seems really like that's not true it seems like You know you maybe just didn't work hard enough even though you thought that you worked as hard as you possibly can Maybe the fact it is what it seems like but at the end of the day. I do agree with that

I mean it's it's way clear with physical stuff because physical limitations are way more you know obvious and there's There's, there's, I don't know. Well, let's face it. Let's say playing guitar, because I play guitar. And I also now kind of play ukulele. Yeah. But let's say playing guitar.

Even if you practice and you can mechanically play guitar, that doesn't give you the natural spark of creativity that is demanded. If it did, then every person that worked hard and played guitar would become a rock and roll star with great, Creative songs, but it just doesn't happen. Yeah, there's hundreds of thousands just in America there's hundreds of thousands of people that play guitar at an incredibly Capable Proficiency right they can play every song that you hear on the radio, but you know what they do for a living? Cover cover songs Well, they play cover songs. They're also working as a banker somewhere

Yeah, because they didn't have whatever creative thing that would give them To be able to create something that was new and that people wanted to want to listen to that that that that that's that That needs to come from somewhere else. Yeah. Your practice isn't going to get you there. Some people learn it in the schools. Some people learn it on the streets. But I think you kind of got to be born with it, man.

And that's a little tenacious D for everyone. Yeah. You know, yeah. And again, like, can you teach creativity? And even then, it's like, yeah, but no. Yeah, exactly. I mean, compare the guy who's, and then where do you get it? Really, you know, it's a, yeah, it's weird.

I think that's really the reason that it is true is because you can't put your finger on it You can't be like yeah just work as hard as you possibly can sure that's gonna improve Well another classic example is look at the people You know if I go to an academic a high level academic environment Where everyone is you know incredibly intelligent But not all of them are able to do something that Not all of them are able to succeed at the level that their that their heritage would point towards so just because you got up

1600 on your SATs and you did this and you went to this great college there's a lot of people that did all those things and they're they're not what they themselves would consider successful yeah right and so the reality is there's something not there and like you said I don't know that you can actually put your finger on it yeah because there's some other kid that didn't do any of that and made stuff happen. Yeah. And was extremely successful.

There's thousands and thousands of examples like that, too. Yeah. So it's kind of like when you compare it, like the proverbial person with all the potential versus someone with not that much potential and maybe the guy with less potential, there'll be exceptions where that guy made it. And then there'll be obviously like all these other scenarios where the guy with the potential doesn't make it. So it's like, all right, you know, this guy's born with it,

what it's him kind of thing. Let's take it to a new level, not just making it, but actually being a, like the highest level. Yeah. For that person, you got to have the talent and you got to have the work. Yeah. You got to do both. It tends to be this case.

Check. And he says the same thing here. I've seen very good colonels become very bad generals. I have known others who were great takers of villages, excellent for maneuvers within an army. But who outside of that were not even able to lead a thousand men in war who lost their heads completely and were unable to make a decision Any decision So he sees the same thing and and you you know, I see that with

Business leaders The business leader that you need to be the at the beginning of your business is not the same business That you need to be once your business is more successful. You got to have this some guys are good at street. I'm not the business fighting right they're good at street fighting they're not good at planning a war planning a campaign and so you might win as a company if you're a leader at the street fighting level and you do good you scrap it out then as you grow if you don't transition mentally and become a different kind of leader not a different person but a different kind of leader you may not be able to win at the higher

levels so that needs to get paid attention to to the book one should once and for all establish standard combat procedures which the troops as well as the general who leads them no I'm not the first person to talk about standard operating procedures at all these are general rules such as preserving proper distances on the march when charging to charge vigorously to fill up intervals in the first line from the second no written instructions are required for this it is the ABC of the troops and nothing is simpler standard operating procedures he also says that the general should

preserve an unfettered mind and not occupy himself with trifles I am convinced that a skillful general could make war all his life without being forced into one hmm that's the old the real martial artist doesn't have to fight right the art of fighting without fighting yes yes war be made without leaving anything to chance and this has and this is the highest point of perfection and skill as a general so he now are there things that are left a chance in war yeah there's a lot of things that are left a chance in war but can you mitigate a lot of those yeah absolutely back to the book the words of the proverb a bridge of

gold should be made for the enemy is followed religiously. Meaning, I'm going to give, if the enemy wants to run, I'm going to build them a bridge of gold to run on. You want to run away? That's great. War's over. This is false. On the contrary, the pursuit should be pushed to the limit.

And the retreat, which had appeared such a satisfactory solution, will be turned into a route. A detachment of 10,000 men can destroy an army of war. 100,000 in flight nothing inspires so much terror or occasions so much damage for everything is lost so you say no you don't let the enemy get away when they're running that's when you destroy them completely this is not to say that it is necessary to give yourself up totally to the pursuit and follow the enemy with all your forces but if the officer you have ordered in pursuit prides himself upon the regularity of his formation and the precautions of his

march there is no use in having sent him he must attack push and pursue without cease all maneuvers are good then it is only precautions that are worthless uh yeah and that right there kind of Raps up the highlights of this book attack push pursue Without ceasing and I believe that is also known as getting after it And what's interesting is I think it's clear that as we continue to see These leaders throughout history that were able to lead through the harshest of conditions There's obviously a lot of common principles that they share and

And so the question is okay, why do we keep reading them then? Why do I keep trying to confirm the same things? Why am I always looking actually for counterpoints as well? That offers some kind of different solution like the one about Sun Su today. You don't need to be early on the battlefield if it's cold out there and it's going to wear down your troops. Don't be early. But from my perspective, the more different angles that you see these things, the same, the more different ways that you learn the same lesson, the more clearly you're understand if you learn an arm lock from three different people they're all going to give you something different and it's the same thing we get something slightly different from all these

strategic thinkers and we get better understanding of it and there are differences in what people say and I think it's good to look at the way those differences manifest themselves on the battlefield and throughout history because maybe there's one solution that's a little bit better than the one that I know right now So for me I'm gonna continually try to reinforce Try and fortify try and stay humble as Sacks talked about continue to learn and relearn and discard what doesn't work and always try and get better and I think that's all I've got for tonight and Yeah, I guess it better be

I thought this was going to be a quick episode All good All right I guess we should move quickly now What do you think? Do you agree with me or no? It doesn't sound like it We'll see what up So getting better Yeah speaking and getting better

Jock has some supplements They're Jocko supplements So you know You're going to get better And I there's the case So super krill is the krill oil supplement good one super

and joint warfare and discipline so we'll say those three supplements if anyone's wondering if you're watching on YouTube and you're seeing me drink two things I'm drinking two things one of them is in a smart water bottle and it is I'm drinking discipline

the other is in a Poland spring bottle that I brought back from Maine to remind me of Maine and I'm drinking that one Jocko IT so those bottles are in New York too by the way Yeah, well, they're up in the Northeast, we'll say. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. But you won't get, you won't find pollen spring out here. No. No. That's from me. Well, you brought it back to still. Nonetheless. So, super krill, krill oil, better than fish oil.

Factually. Factually. And then there's Jocco super krill, which is better than regular krill oil, factually. No. There's, there's people out there not taking cruel oil. And I'm not saying they should take krill oil. I they should take krill oil That's just not what I'm saying right now

I am saying if I will argue I'll actually Pretty much guarantee Pretty much I know that defeats the purpose of a guarantee But I'll pretty much guarantee That if someone's not taking Creel oil whether you jocco cruel oil

Or not And they take cruel oil They'll be like dang I should have started taking this cruel oil Before is it like learning Jiu Jitzi when you start Jiu Jitza you go man I should have I wish I started this when I was 13

It's just like that on a smaller level. Yeah. On a joint maintenance level. Yeah. And joint warfare is what I'm feeling is... For me, that's kind of... It's new, right? And I'm like, man, I wish I could have this for a long...

Wait, the joint warfare? Yeah. Yeah. Because you can feel it's like you're getting maintenance. Well, you should have came up with it earlier. I know. I know. Next time, that's what you're going to do.

You can come up with it earlier. That's what I think you should do. Nonetheless, for your joints, it's a good on world. working out hey we're making something we're making a new product we'll say and it is it's gonna be good you're gonna like it it's it's a it's a protein drink and it's it's gonna be all it's I've had we've done two samplings given the ingredient you know so we give the ingredients to the supplement factory they mix them and we've gone through two the two two we've gone through two iterations right the first iteration I was like

oh my God this taste good oh wait wait what talking pure taste yeah the first one I was like all this is this taste good really good like the kind where you think this is a whole new thing you know what I mean wait a whole new thing like this is like a treat is yeah yeah because protein tastes like protein powders yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like crap yeah and a That was one of the things we researched to figure out how we could make it taste legit good. Where you want, not you're holding your nose and forcing it down, but the first sample that we got,

which I was in Maine when we tasted it. We stood there as me, Brian and Pete and we were standing there and we all mixed it up together and poured it into three separate cups. And everyone when we drank and everyone's like, quiet for a second day. I was like, oh my God. What kind is it?

Well, this one was mint chocolate. Yeah. And it's just really good. And obviously, the protein is awesome. And we've got some other things in it that are going to make it more complete. But yeah. And then I just got the sec. But, you know, there was a couple adjustments that I wanted to make to the taste, just the pure taste.

So we just made those adjustments. I got the second iteration in. It tastes even better than the first one. But I still, I sent them back for one more. But hopefully it'll only be one more iteration before we can start producing it's not gonna come out for a while It takes a long time to get everything rolling, but yeah Anyways we have that in the future. That's interesting because I don't I'm not into protein I know you aren't I was back you will be there is this one I'm telling you you will be you will be for protein

It'll be for like a dessert or something it'll be like someone saying they're not into this is gonna be like someone saying I'm not into ice cream That's how tasty it is all right well good I guess we'll see I guess that's It's kind of the test, right? In a way, in a way, it's a test. Well, good. Nonetheless, cruel oil, joint warfare and discipline, those are already out. Yep. Doing work.

Discipline tastes good, too. Yeah. That's another thing. You don't have to drink something that tastes like crap just because it's awesome for you. You can drink something that tastes good. And I'll tell you, one thing I've noticed, and I don't know if this is, I don't know what this means. But when I drink discipline, because I work out in the morning, as I say all the time, I don't do a pre-workout thing. It's not my thing, right?

Sure. I work out in the morning on an empty stomach. Yeah. And there's this old rock climber, and I can't think of his name right now, one of the famous old rock climbers. And he would, I read an article one time about him where he was, he would climb while starving himself and wearing a weight belt because it was harder. And I was like, yeah, I'm going to do that. I've done that all the time. I've done that ever since.

Yeah. Anyways, if you have some discipline, the drink, then. you will feel like so when I get done working out maybe like let's say you know I always say I usually have some nuts around it's a mixed nuts just to kind of get in my gut a little food I've been I've been having some some you know a couple handfuls of mixed nuts and then having some discipline and I feel so like super good that then I'm just firing through the day and so basically what I'm getting at is this is I've been eating even cleaner because Because I'm eating like I'm eating basically right now.

I think I'm eating once a day. I'm eating discipline. I'm drinking some discipline and then I'm going once a day with like a good solid meal. And then yeah, man, it's good. It's good stuff. And that's good. And that works for you. It's working good for it.

Because I'll tell you why. When I eat less, I feel better. Yeah. When I eat less, I feel better. And so this is making me eat less. Now I'm not saying now believe me when I eat, dude, I get it on. That's how I roll. When I eat I get it on and but this is just yeah it's nice to be able to get to feel energized

and sharp mentally without getting crazy Um think that because you know that idea that what you eat less and you feel better Yeah, and I found that to be the case and this is what I realized I found that to be the case only sometimes and I was thinking why is it like that? Sometimes if I'm doing something like you know when we go to the muster or something like that Oh for sure. I were doing something all day you don't eat and I wasn't eating yeah it's kind of like yes but if you eat it's kind of like your body goes into this like kind of rest most yeah for sure or but if you eat a little bit or like just you know just like I'm gonna stand out oh it's time to eat okay we cruising now yeah

yeah let's rest when you put some food in your body you're basically telling yourself you're going into level seven echo cruising yeah technically recover mode it's really kind of what it does and that's really what it felt like so yeah I found that yeah if you so you probably have a bunch of stuff to do all all the yeah yeah but when I'm for sure when you're like when I'm doing a fast I want to be doing something yeah yeah you sit around and think about food yeah bro that's horrible you feel like like like when Charlie Plum was talking about being in the Honoy Hilton and he's just thinking of they were just literally sitting around thinking about food all the time yeah because it wasn't even anything to do yeah and eating food is actually a little bit of a little bit of a

Cure or relief from boredom. You know how you used to them. Back in the day when you're a kid, you're just bored. You look in the fridge for, I don't know. You're not hungry. You're bored. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

It's funny because right now I got my, you know, it's wrestling season. So the weight cuts are on. And they're not, neither one of my kids that are wrestling are cutting a bunch of weight. But it means that you don't, it means that there's times when you don't eat for a day, right? So you get to see the effects of that. And my daughter's like, I feel, she's like, yeah, I feel fine. She's she doesn't get hangary or nothing Yeah she doesn't get hangary

I warned my wife I said hey you need to watch out Because of when people Because you know we're cutting weight with fighters They're cutting much more severe weight And they start getting in bad moods Oh fighters you mean Yeah yeah yeah

They start getting in bad moods because they can't eat They get hangary yeah But neither one of my kids are cutting that much weight They're just kind of maintaining through the season Dude I don't know if we talked about hangary Like that's a for real thing Because this is what it is When you when you

I mean biolat physiologically Yeah. So that your frontal cortex or prefrontal, frontal, whatever, the front of your brain, the part that's like, makes, you're the scientist apparently. That makes decisions and empathy and like all these things get compromised. When you're. Wait, when you're what?

Hungry. Oh, come on, man. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I'll tell you why because I believe that if you, if you made all those things less effective, then we wouldn't be here as a species because every time we got hungry in the past, We would have gotten all confused and frustrated and we wouldn't have to hunt

But the bottom line is the opposite I think is true back in the day If you needed to hunt something down you had to be sharp so when you didn't need it made you sharper and more attuned That's how I feel. Okay, that's not what you know what I read and heard but hey I'm not saying you're wrong That you can go on the internet and find two scientific articles that say the exact opposites Just follow me So hangary from what I read Scientific term. Correct.

Because, well, they didn't use the word hangary. But empathy, and this is with, like, if you get hungry or sleep deprived. Uh-huh. Whatever. Yeah, just a part of your brain kind of. It doesn't shut down completely. It just becomes less and less. Yesterday, I went to sleep.

I went to bed at 8.30 at night. Dang. That's what you go down. Yeah. I woke up at like 350 and I was kind of, I was like, dang, that felt good. Yeah. I was but I didn't sleep almost at all the night before so I was recovering. I needed to put some more back in the bank and everyone says you can't do that Yeah I just did yeah, I don't know

I just did I just did I feel like you can yeah I caught up on sleep I never let you finish your your scientific explanation so yeah, what was the deal? It just prefrontal cortex or whatever So you know you'll treat people worse Oh technically So yeah hangary that that's apparently from what I read is is an Well, maybe, so maybe it ups your aggression. Maybe it does make you sharper.

When you're sharper, you're not taking any crap from anybody. So you're more aggressive towards them because you want to go out and hunt and kill something. So maybe I do agree with your weird science. You say tomato. You say tomato. You know, you be aggressive. But nonetheless, yeah, it's a real thing. Apparently.

Okay. Who knows? I don't know. Not to say that everyone's going to behave in a certain way. I'm just saying that's what happens internally. Maybe. Maybe not. Nonetheless, get discipline.

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What about the kettle? No no no the kettlebell you're good bray you're good you're solid and I'm sure you're getting very strong And I'm sure you know in case everyone doesn't know yeah running his mouth and I use that term like with I'm not just throwing it out there mm-hmm I really was running my mouth and you're really pissed yeah that you have a what how much is your heaviest kettlebell 90 90 pounds big foot boom and my heaviest kettlebell was 88 pounds this is no longer a problem now my heaviest kettle bells plural because I have to do is 48 kilograms or 106 pounds

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of reveries on the art of war by Maurice de Sacks it's a good one I like those manual kind ones, you know? Yeah. The one that goes by like...

If you think about it, there's really three types of podcasts that are happening. One is QA. Two is manual strategies about war. Three is human nature inside war. So those are kind of... When I'm reading a book, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is kind of like one of those. Yeah, yeah. So this would be with Napoleon's maxims, you know, something like that.

The Art of War by Sun Su. So we've done quite a number of books like that. Yeah. And, you know, I get a little something different from each of them. Because if you think about it, he says that you have to pay attention to the human heart. Well, where are you going to learn about the human heart? He didn't say much about it. As much as he said, you need to know about it.

He didn't say much about it. Where are you going to find it? You're going to find it by reading people that were actually in war and start to understand where their heart was in this whole gig. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting too, because they're laid out in these specific Context you know like like Sun Su he's he's talking about you know a certain time period a certain place and then you see a Vietnam one and then a world and that so they're talking about okay these principles at this time This is why they were well it was interesting to do I drang and how more because it was his battle

two podcasts on his battle and then his book that he wrote about leadership so you kind of got to see Maybe I don't know I don't know if there's anything now we've seen some of that when For instance, you got Napoleon's maxims, right? And then we got to hear from a Napoleonic foot soldier. So you get to kind of see, see the war, what the war was like, what the human heart was going on with the human heart. And then what was going on in the minds of the strategician. Yeah. I don't know if that's a word.

Strati. Sure. I think so. Just became, you know what's cool is the English language. You can, words, they come about. Yeah. They just get formed. Yeah.

That's a catch. There's a time where there was no word and then that word is there. Yeah, boom. And if you look at the OED, which is the Oxford English Dictionary, it tells you where the word came from and then it has like first usages. So there's some words. This word is this for this word was first in print in 1622 in this work of art or this work of literature. Yeah. You know, it's crazy too.

these like words will go in these cycles where they'll be used like like ain't right if you say ain't that's like ain't that's the improper thing it's not really a word blah blah blah ain't was actually used by like high upper class people back in the day like long time ago and like ain't and shant and all these like words like I shan you know all this and ain't was one of them was one of them and I forget the deal but someone in the lower class started using it and they're like oh they're using it now or Something like that, so it went out. And now it's like, oh, that's not a word, but it is a word.

The language in general, but definitely the English language. I studied English in college. But the classes that I took, some of the classes that I took would focus on that, which was always very interesting to me, very interesting to me. And I think the reason it's interesting to me is because language is how we communicate. Communication is how we lead.

Yeah. So if you don't know what words you're using or you can't find the right word to articulate what it is you're trying to say, you're going to have a harder time getting your message across. When you have a harder time getting your message across, it's harder for you to lead. Yeah. So and then if you kind of look at the big picture of that, it's kind of like you have, then you kind of in a way should know slang and stuff like that. For sure. For sure. Because if you're over here talking quote unquote all proper to people who aren't used to hearing all properly, they're.

You can be like, what's this guy talking about or whatever? That is definitely true. And it's not just about language there. It's about culture as well. Yeah. And one of the cool things that when I grew up, and I was kind of getting into the hard, and I was in the hardcore scene, right?

It exposed me to people and things that I wouldn't have seen if I would have stayed in my small New England town. So when I got to the world, meaning got out of that small town and now I was in the military, I was able to to understand better than I would have if I didn't. Yeah. And I think that's important. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How's this word irregardless, right? Irregardless. It's not even a word. Right?

That's what they said. So I had this bet. This is a long time. It was like over 10 years ago. I just bet. This coworker of mine. And for whatever, I think my dad taught me like, irregardless, that's not a word, you know.

And he'd always like correct to you. So you know how it imprints in your mind? Like someone uses the word irregardless, they should be corrected. That was kind of imprinted in my subconscious. So it happened at work. Echo Charles Grammar Nazi. Yeah, for a little bit I was for a little bit. It was more just out of fun, but nonetheless he, no, she was a girl.

I said, irregardless is not a word. And she was like, yeah, it is. I was like, no, irregardless is like a misuse, misuse of a word. It's not irregardless. regardless, irregardless is a misuse of a word. It's not a word. He's like, well, if it's a word, if it's a misuse of a word, it's the word for the misuse of this specific word.

And I'm like, it's not a word. What the hell did that just mean? Yeah, but she's saying she's saying basically if you can say it and you can spell it and it's like if it's a little name for something. It's not the name of anything. It's a name for a misuse of a word is what, that was her argument.

That's what I was saying. Did you win money? No, I did not win the money. Did you bet money? No. So we're, it never got resolved between me and her. In fact, we hated it. I think we kind of hated each other. Yeah, I would hate her too. We actually didn't hate each other. It was cool. But nonetheless, that was her stance. My stance is you can't just invent a word. You can't just use a word wrong, invent another word because you're wrong and then be like, oh, now it's a word. Now I'm right. All of a sudden, you can't do this. That's not how it works. And then so I look it up in the

dictionary. Yeah, it was haunting me. So when I went on, I looked it up in the dictionary, sure enough, the thing was there. And it said, The misuse of the or the common misuse of regardless. But I'm still confused. Like, is that a word? And here's the thing. I talked to Jade about it. Yeah, it bothered me a lot.

Yeah. So I talked to Jade about it and he was like, bro, that's kind of how the language is. He's right. You get enough people misusing regardless and irregardless, boom, all of a sudden it gets shuffled right into the rotation as a legitimate word. Is that a good thing or is that a bad thing? I'll tell you what, it's a beautiful thing.

It's a beautiful thing. It is. The language is always evolving. And that's what. It allows the language just like just like jiu jitsu just like mixed martial arts You want it to evolve you want it to new words to come out that can Articulate something a little bit better like for instance irregardless articulates that you know the English language very well

Yeah, but But yeah at some point a hundred years in the future irregardless will become a word that has a little bit of a different meaning than regardless like it's maybe it's more regardless Yeah yeah like irregor Regardless of what you're saying and it will say first used in the you know somebody's gonna write an article in Online or and it's gonna say it's gonna miss use it but it everyone's gonna understand it and it's gonna say first used here Yeah, there's all kinds of arguments you can have about language, but you have to remember that it's evolving all the time our language is revolving all time and it should In France they try not to let their language evolve

Yeah, they try and keep that language It's interesting or the same the ultimate result is something like that would be a brother that the I think it's the same result if you try and not evolve your martial arts. Eventually, if you don't evolve your martial arts, you're going to lose. That's what I think. And it's the same thing with language. Yeah, you become less effective communication-wise in language as far as that goes. The word literally now.

Okay, literally. We know what, here's the hard part about accepting this, because literally means something very specific. There's no ambiguousness. If it started to be ambiguous, you wouldn't say literally. You'd say figuratively or you just won't say anything. That's what you, that's, that's the defining characteristic of the word literally. But here's the thing. Now literally doesn't mean literally.

Literally means just almost a lot. Yeah, just really strong. Not even almost literally. It's just really strong. So if I was like, man, this guy's joke was so funny, I was literally dying, right? I wasn't almost dying. It's not what it means. It just means it was super duper, duper funny, you know?

That's the one's changing. Yeah, man, but that's a hard one to accept. Like and all I think there's another word, but in America and California, this is a recent one. So maybe the 80s everyone's in order to say said, said like or all. Eka was like you got to stop doing this and I was all no way am I going to do that. And that's just the way language evolves. Yeah. Dang, that's cool. I mean, I dig it. So nonetheless, If you want to buy this book, regardless of the language in it, don't do that. What I did was I made it easy.

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going on the internet will basically make it out. So like if you're trying to learn 3D modeling, go on the internet, you can learn 3D modeling 100%, well, not 100%, but you can learn to be a professional 3D modeler on the internet. At the same time,

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Or struggle struggle Good struggles Struggle for good sure Struggle for good That's what it is You know the day you want to you want to sleep in Or you want to cheat on the diet You want to procrastinate you want to skip the workout

That's the main one that's iconic one Skipping the workout Because you get skip workouts Oh the rest of us are over here getting leg day Bruh I'm sure I did legs the other day A good one Didn't skip it Psychological warfare that's on iTunes

It helps you through it Yeah Some people they don't know So it's Jocco on each track I'm telling you sometimes They're like wait what is I didn't hear of this Psychological warfare Now they're not gonna listen to the rest of this podcast

Brother they will it only has like two minute three four Like 25 minutes left I'm just saying Psychological warfare is good Almost done if you want Jocko to help you Just put it in that's how it originated It helped me not skip workouts You can get it on iTunes you can get on Amazon music

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You can get the books Yeah the books that we cover on the podcast Which are all listed on the website You can also get a couple books that you might want to check out One of them is called Way of the Warrior Kid. I actually wrote that book. It teaches kids to make their lives better to get on the path and work hard. There's another book coming out.

It's actually available on Amazon right now. Well, you can't get it yet, but you can pre-order it. If you want to spread the word, you pre-order it. That makes more people see it. So that's cool. It's called Way of the Warrior Kid Mark's Mission. Nice little follow-up to weigh the warrior kid different lessons to be learned So you can check that off you want to check out an actual warrior kid you can go and get some jaco soap from young aiden

12 years old no big deal you know what he's doing making soap has his own business You can get that at Irish Oaks Ranch.com like I said a 12 year old kid making goat milk Soap you know why you know why I did that you can't sell goat milk in California Yeah, yeah, but you can sell goat soap Goot milk so yeah, yeah, so he wanted to make some good ones so you can check that out as well The discipline equals freedom field manual It's about getting after it there's really nothing more to say If you I've gotten a lot of great feedback from that book so I appreciate it

And once you feel that You've gotten what you can out of it loan it to somebody so they can get on the path to maybe they'll get their own or get it for them whatever to your choice important part of that everyone wants the audio version of that book the discipline equals freedom field manual is not on audible it's on iTunes Amazon music Google play other MP3 platforms and it also is an album that has tracks some people say with tracks extreme ownership the new addition is out thank you for helping us put the new to get new addition

together because we've got questions from this podcast a new forward but we've also got pictures for our questions from the podcast in there extreme ownership combat leadership how to get out there and lead you to win for onsite leadership instruction and consulting you can bring our company echelon front to your organization we saw Problems through leadership simple as that you got a problem the way you get the problem solved is through leadership It's me it's Leif Babin's JPM to know it's Dave Burke email info at echelonfront.com or you can go through the website Eschalonfront.com there's also the muster

Leadership seminar with the Eschelon front team We're only doing two this year. I'm gonna try and get a bunch of questions that I get asked all the time I'm gonna try and get rid of those questions right now. We're only doing two musters this year We aren't going to New York City. We aren't going to Texas. We aren't going to Florida. We aren't going to your hometown. I'm sorry. We just can't. We can't go to every town in America to do a muster. We're only doing two of them this year. We're doing one in Washington, D.C. So there's an east coast and the west coast. One is in Washington, D.C. It's May 17th and 18th. We're doing another one in San Francisco, October 17th and 18th. So if you want to come to a muster, you got to come to one of those. We're not going to Omaha. We're not going to Milwaukee. I want to go there, but unfortunately we can't just get to all those different places. So apologize.

Thus far, there has been four musters that we've done over the past a year and a half. They all sold out. These two musters are going to sell out as well. So if you want to come and you want to learn pragmatic leadership skills and strategies, then you can go to extreme ownership.com and you can register. We will see you there. Echo Charles will also be there. And until you get to the muster, if you have questions for us or you have answers for us,

we're looking for both. We're here and we are cruising hard actually on the interwebs on Twitter, Instagram, and on da fish. Boha. Echo is at. Michael Charles and I am at Jocko Willink and finally thanks to those people out there that make this podcast possible and by that I mean first and foremost are military men and women who go into harm's way to protect our freedom and our way of life. Thanks to you and also to the police out there

holding the thin blue line. Thanks for protecting us here on the home front to the firefighters, paramedics and other first responders thanks for being ready to come out and rescue us any time day or night and to everyone else that is listening thank you for listening thank you for sharing thank you for supporting the podcast because we appreciate we appreciate all that but more important we appreciate going down this path with all of you so keep putting one foot in front of the other as you move down this path keep making the decisions the right decisions even on the little things keep attacking pushing pursuing without cease and most of all keep getting

after it so until next time this is echo and jocke Go. Out.