Jocko Podcast - 120: How to Maintain Improvement Over Time. Healthy Competition. Too Proud to Ask for Help. Comfort Zones.

Episode Date: April 11, 2018

0:00:00 - Opening 0:00:18 - Uncomfortably cold VS Dangerously Cold. 0:10:32 - Asking for help when you need it. 0:19:17 - Martial Arts Competition as a way to prep for Real physical confrontation. 0:41:23 - Staying in your comfort zone and not even realizing it. 0:53:26 - How to implement Extreme Ownership to others when they don't like Jocko. 1:02:21 - How working harder for an imcompetent superior will help you. 1:11:02 - Can you be default:aggressive and relaxed at the same time? 1:20:10 - How do self-awareness, self-assessment, and self-improvement begin? 1:24:31 - Support: JockoStore stuff, Super Krill Oil and Joint Warfare and Discipline Pre-Mission, THE MUSTER 005 in DC. Origin Brand Apparel and Jocko Gi, with Jocko White Tea,  Onnit Fitness stuff, and Psychological Warfare (on iTunes). Extreme Ownership (book), Way of The Warrior Kid 2: Marc's Mission, The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual, and Jocko Soap. 1:43:09 - Closing Gratitude.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 120 with Echo Charles and me Jocker Willick. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So it's been a while since Q&A. Yeah. So we have some Q&A from the interwebs. Yeah. Go.

First question, Jocko. More than once on the podcast, you've mentioned how the teams were so competitive that no one wanted to admit when they were cold, being too, too, cold puts you at a tactical disadvantage. In hindsight, was that a failure to control your ego? So your ego doesn't control you? I didn't ask this question out of idle curiosity. A lot of folks on active duty listen to the podcast and I'm concerned they might put themselves, their teammates, and their mission in jeopardy because of their egos, won't let them admit they're too hot or too cold. All right. So good question, good point. And there's definitely a big difference between

between being uncomfortably cold, right? Like you're just uncomfortably cold or uncomfortably hot or uncomfortably thirsty or hungry or whatever and being in an actual state where you're putting the mission in jeopardy because you're too cold or hot or thirsty or whatever. So I just need to say this.

In the teams, you are 95% of the time. You are cold, too cold, too hot, too wet, too thirsty. Too miserable something there's no time when you're in the field you put on a hundred pounds worth of gear worth a gear You're uncomfortable from the word go from the word go and You're cold you know you come in over the beach you're in wet camis It doesn't matter you come out with great technology and we got a dry suit of this we got a wet suit that no You're you're miserable it's not you're gonna be cold you're gonna be uncomfortable You ride in a zodiac first

you ride in a in a big rib which is like a 10 meter boat and you have your zodiacs on that boat so you're in that boat you're getting sprayed with water you're getting bounced up and down you do that for three hours and then you launch your little boats into the water well while you're doing that you fall in the water you slip you get sprayed more you're covered in water by the way the water's not warm and then you got to because you're going to travel in 15 knots so you got to you're facing a 15 knot headwind for another two hours in a zodiac and then you're gonna get in the water and swim over Beach like you're gonna be cold that's just the way it is and you can't complain about that

so and you don't complain about it in the teams you just keep your mouth shut that's what you do keep your mouth shut now the big distinction here is this is correct if you're gonna get hypothermia or you're gonna get a heat stroke or you're gonna go down from dehydration then yeah you gotta speak up and be you know you gotta say hey guess what I got an issue here I'm starting my you know I'm starting to get dizzy or I'm starting to get lightheaded or Whatever. Yeah, if you cross the line to where it goes from discomfort to actual problem Then you definitely need to Speak up

And it does happen it happens a lot actually you know when we when we do our land warfare training In the desert in the summertime it's a hundred and twenty degree heat got you're gonna take heat cash You know when I was running training we used to just have premeditated heat Casualty evacuation because we knew someone was gonna go down that's just the way it's gonna happen Because you got 40 guys that are all turning and burning and they're all running on three or four hours of sleep and Then they're going out in the field and they just got back from the field and there's no time to rehydrate You know, okay, there's time, but some guys might forget to rehydrate And next thing you know you got a guy going down so the stuff does happen and

Yeah You got to let your team know what's going on. I've the closest call I had I was on a long patrol Training patrol in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas It was summertime. It was hot We were planning to pump water meaning you bring a little water filtration system into the field and you get to a stream and you can fill your canteens and it's great and it seems like you have water forever because there's streams Well, the way the patrol went we started off in pairs and then we linked up with fire team and then link up with squads and then link up with squads Then you look up with the platoon. Well, while we were in the squad link up

We for whatever reason the course that I was on I didn't hit water we had a couple streams that were supposed to be there And they weren't because they're intermittent streams so sometimes streams aren't running year round And the time of year it was the streams weren't running so the first one I was oh okay. Okay, I'll be okay got to the so you go up over a mountain come back down the other side get to this where the stream is marked intermittent stream is marked on a map Guess what no stream so now And by that time I was out of water So now coming that the next day I said to myself you know if there's not water on this next stream I'm gonna I'm gonna have issues and

There wasn't water the next day. So yeah That's but I started to feel the dehydration coming on me That's why I hate being thirsty I hate I always carry as much water as I can you got to be paranoid about being thirsty Once you start going down from a dehydration. It's really a bad situation You went the whole day? No No, it was two days. Dang.

Yeah, now I had water going in, but I didn't refill. I didn't have a ton of water. I should have had, I should have had maybe two more liters of water as a, as a just in case. But I didn't. Then you got to carry that. Yeah. Yeah, because you got to carry it. Now you're heavier.

Now you're sweating more. So there's a little balance you've got to figure out there. Yeah. But, yeah. Can it be a problem? Yes, I have seen it become a problem. Where, we're, guys, ego's too big. They don't want to admit it for sure.

So, yes, this is a good warning. Don't let your ego get you in real trouble because that's going to hurt your platoon even more So don't let that happen don't let your ego prevent you from telling The truth about what's happening and This happens in this can happen in the business world too where oh, you know what? Oh, I don't really know how to operate this piece of equipment But I'm not gonna say anything. I'm just gonna try and do it. Well, that's how someone gets hurt So again, that's an ego problem when you have an issue when you know you can't do something or you've never never done something before step up and and raise your hand now of course you should have done

the research you should just you know you should have figured some stuff out on your own but if you failed to do that don't dig the whole deeper yeah raise your hand say what the problem was there you go good question yeah makes sense because that especially the thirst thing like the dehydration thing yeah you don't want to be the guy saying oh I'm thirsty you know here's the I think nowadays though mm-hmm Like teams and coaches here's the thing in football case a pop Warner football They'd be like yeah no water you know we have a water break you drink water at the water break Otherwise you're practicing you know kind of thing it's like a toughing you up thing but man that can jam your health up

Yeah, but let's face it I mean it would be pretty rare you know if you gave people the if you're doing a practice What how long is a practice last two hours two hours? Okay Bro you can make it two hours if you're properly hydrated now if a person's not properly hydrated going into the practice Sure, that can be a problem. But if someone is properly hydrated going into the situation, it should not be a problem. And I'll tell you what? If you are in the military and you're going in the field, man, prehydrate like that used to save me so much from carrying so much water. Just drink so much water.

Now I'll tell you where the problem comes in, you're in a helicopter ride for an hour and half. And you got to piss so bad. It's awful. But you know what? Bring a little plastic bottle with you so you can piss with the bottle. That's way less of an issue, I think. like finding a place to drink versus find a place to piss. Oh, for sure.

It's way less than a lot of, but yeah, if you prehydrate properly, no matter how hard you're working, you can go like 12 hours without any water. Yeah. Which is pretty legit. Yeah. For, you know, kind of an average seal mission,

12 hours get you plenty of time. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, I'm talking Pop Warner here. So, you know, we're not talking about Warner. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, we're not talking about.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. But here's the weird thing. Like, when you went to high school college, They'd have water right there, right there in the sideline. And they, you know, they're really aware of, hey, you need good, you need water, drink more water. Well, I think that was also the time.

Yeah, that's actually the point. The era, the era, right? Like, when we were kids, no one ever, ever, one single time in my whole, from the time I was zero until I was 18. Yeah. No one ever said to me, hey, make sure you drink water. Yeah. Never, never heard anyone say that. Yeah.

It was like, oh, you're thirsty, drink a Coke. You know? Yeah. That's just the way it was. You know, so that changed for you in that time period. Yeah. When I got to,

when I got to seal training, when I got to buds, that's when they were saying, ooh, you got to stay hydrated. Yeah. I thought it was kind of a joke. I thought they were kidding it first.

Yeah. Like, what are you talking about, do you mean drink water? What do you mean? What do you mean? Why would you call it something else? Hydrated.

Yeah. Oh, you're thirsty. Yeah. Like, it's like this, well, you should. Because you can go down from like heat, there's like, for there's heat,

uh, exhaustion. Heat stroke, heat exhaustion. Yeah. And there's all kinds of heat injuries you can get. Yeah. And you get heat stroke, right, you can straight up die. Oh, yeah. So that's not, you know, it's not a matter of like, oh, yeah, tough it out.

Right, you can't tough it out. You're shutting down kind of thing. That's for sure. So, you know, that is important. It's for the heat thing. And I guess the whole thing, too. And that's, you know, going back to this question, that is probably why we would see heat casualties in training. Because guys do not want to say anything.

They're like, man, I'm not going to say anything. Yeah. I'm not going to get an I. And then you look even worse Because that's what happens You get stuck with an IV Now you're laying in the field Everyone else by the way

It continues on doing another 10 kilometer hump To a target And you're sitting there laid up in the ambulance Like a little baby No one wants that But if you prehydrate properly You won't be in that situation Yeah

But if you are gonna get that situation You need to say something Yeah We're talking about your life Yeah essentially And more important We're talking about the mission Yeah

Yeah, I'm still thinking about the potwornis situation But yeah, man, I dig it And you are correct I can't help but agree with you 100%. Next question Jocko Dear Jock My chosen community has lost

And continues to lose members Due to suicide One reason is that they don't ask for help I think one reason they don't ask for help Is that they're afraid of being Or being seen as weak I'm aware that this takes strength and discipline to be able to perceive when you need help and to ask for it. I don't know how to convey that to them.

Could you address how one can gather support from their team without losing face? So there's an obvious reason why I paired these two questions together because they're both very, very similar. And it's the same thing. And if we don't, if a member of your team won't come forward and admit they have an issue, then the issue is not going to get addressed. And this is the same exact thing that you have to explain to your team like hey if you start going down because you're dehydrated or you start getting getting frostbite and you need to get warmed up you need to say something if you don't say something that's gonna hurt the whole team That's what's bad

So so I think that's important I think that's important to make sure everyone understands that this part of being a good operator is knowing your limitations and when you reach your limitations raising your hand and saying hey this is a problem and believe me there's there's guys that might complain about little things and they're eventually going to be labeled as a little complainer right and they don't really have issues so there there's a fine line right there's a fine line but for this one you know for someone that's having some kind of mental stress well again we got to recognize what's going on we got to recognize that it's impacting us

negatively at work so that means you got to raise your hand if it's having a negative impact on the way you're performing Then you got to raise your hand and I think it's important to explain to people that this is something that Something that happens to can happen every anybody and it's not a negative thing. It's just a reality It's it's kind of like it reminds me of being afraid right and if if if if you're let's say you got a new guy that's never done anything before and he doesn't know that he's going to be afraid Going on an operation then he's gonna wonder why his stomach is upset or why he second-guess himself or why he can't sleep like oh you can't sleep Guess what that's normal you're going on a a hardcore combat operation tomorrow the fact that you can't sleep is completely normal the fact that you feel To your stomach is completely normal the fact that you're you're shaking those things are normal like you're gonna feel those that's okay

It's not that big of a deal and those things are are just fear. That's what they are and if you know what they are and you know that fear is okay and it's acceptable and it's actually kind of good right because if if you're not feeling any fear whatsoever then you know you've got some well you should be feeling afraid you should be should feel fear that should that should propel you it should get you on edge those all those things are actually happening for a reason so there's nothing wrong with that and I think that's the same thing that you got to explain to people with stress like oh okay that you can have too much fear You keep someone at that heightened state for an extended period of time.

Well, that's called combat stress and it's real and it can happen and it can happen anyone and you know what how many books have we talked about on this podcast Where you can see stress combat stress taking its toll on people and And and when it does you know we've talked about it many times if you if you get to that point you need a break and and Dick winners from band of brothers You know, he would give those guys breaks without them even knowing that he was giving him a break. He said, oh, hey, Echo, you got to go back and do a little logistics run for four days. Just make sure we have more supplies coming our way. Get you off the front line, get you a breather. So that way, again, the same metaphor I've used before is if you have an engine in the red and you keep running it, what's going to happen to the engine?

It's going to burn out. It's not going to be usable. If you have someone that's psychologically stressed and they're in the red and you keep running them in the red, guess what? Eventually, they're not going to be usable anymore. So you need to give them a break, get them off. the line because if you do take an engine if your engine like check engine like comes on and you go and get it maintained get it fixed the engine's still good if you keep running it the engine will be destroyed so you got to do that with your people and

you got to make sure everybody knows and I think that's a real simple metaphor to use with people as well say look we're running hard and we're gonna put some stress on the engine and if you don't keep the engine maintained the engine's gonna break and you won't be any good to the team you won't be good for the mission so if you start feeling your engine light go on you got to let someone know So we can give you the proper maintenance and that's it Jody Middick talked about that too. Jody was you know saying hey You know basically if you get injured if you break your ankle They don't just expect you just to keep going. No like okay you need to get back and you needed to rehab well the same thing can happen to your brain

Your brain gets a break in it you don't just keep driving her. It's gonna fracture and fall apart What do you do you you you take a break? You get downtime and you get recovered and then you'll be ready to rock and roll again. So two really good questions to start it off, you know, again, especially for folks out there on the battlefield. And it's not just for people on the battlefield because it happens with any, any group of people that are in a stressful environment. I mean, obviously, cops get put into a really stressful environment all the time. Well, if you need to take a breather, you need to say something before you burn out the engine. Yeah.

Same thing with business world, right? People in the business world get extremely stressed out. Well, you probably need a break at some point. Make sure you work that in there. Don't like police have like a mandatory program or a mandatory situation where, you go through, I think when they shoot someone or something like that, like mandatory, you have to go to like some kind of like counseling or something like that. Most of them do now. Yeah. Yeah.

So that makes sense too because even if let's say you don't necessarily. Need it or whatever right you go through shooting situation you got to go mandatory and I got to go through but it's good that everyone kind of does it because it seems like oh it takes away the the negative the stigma You know like kind of like oh I'm the only guy you know I'm the only guy that apparently feels this where I'm looking around No one else is going to counseling and now I'm the only guy I must be the weak guy so I don't I'm not gonna say anything They've done that somewhat in the military of hey when you come home from deployment everyone's gonna go talk to a Talk to what is it a psychotherapy a therapist or something like Psychologist they they kind of do that I know they did that in the seal teams where they'd be everyone would go They didn't do while I was in they give you like a piece of paper to fill out which everyone just kind of gun decked

You know? What does that mean? It just pencil whip. I don't know what I don't know what just like you know Fill it out except for Tony you know what Tony wrote on the head of his what he wrote this is a cry for help It was pretty funny But anyways He filled out like a whole fake one About just a funny one Yeah

Dang I got a kick out of it Yeah But it makes sense though Because of that Because that's kind of the Yeah That's the smart way to do things

It's the smart way to do things Let's give everyone a baseline Sort of okay check Here you go Yeah And that way no one's No one has to go No one has to take

Raise their hand first Right Yeah You're all gonna talk to somebody. I think it's a smart thing to do. Yeah. Yeah, man. Because that's kind of the thing, right?

It kind of goes along with the earlier question, too. Like, if it's a water break and, hey, guys, water break, everyone's drinking water. So now it's like, you don't have to feel like, oh, the one pus who, like, needs his water. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the exact same thing. Yeah. So, yeah, if you got an issue, man, speak up.

Let everyone know. You know that way you can do your job you can do it longer you can do it better your goal is to do the is to be the best possible that you Be the best possible Capability so that you can go out and do your job the best if you're if you got issues you got to say something Yeah, so that you can keep doing your job for the team Yeah, it's like um like don't look at yourself as being weak look at yourself is trying to optimize your strength kind of thing You know maybe just a flip over the way you look look at it or whatever There it is.

Next question. Do you think martial arts tournaments are the most effective way for preparing for physical confrontation? I just competed in my second jujitsu tournament as a three straight white belt. In one match, I completely lost focus and control of my mind

because I believe I was taken aback by the strength and wildness of my opponent. Hey man, I dig it 100%. I can barely even remember how the match unfolded. folded I've given this match significant thought and I concluded that I need to compete more. I'm very comfortable with everyone in my academy. I trust the guys I roll with without question. They're like family now. The guy the guy in the tournament was a total stranger. He was unknown and therefore

elicited fear. I allowed myself to be to be crippled by fear. Is there any other way to overcome this beyond competing in tournaments? Thank you. All right. You know, competing is definitely part of it and it's interesting that is asking if this is the most effective way to prepare for a physical confrontation. It is a very good way to to help you prepare for a physical confrontation and the bottom line is competing one of the things that competing One of the thing that that's true with competing and it's true with anything is that the more familiar you are with the unfamiliar the more familiar it will become Yeah. I know that sounds pretty obvious, but the more familiar you are with the unfamiliar, the more familiar it will become. So you get to become familiar with things that are unfamiliar. And you learn how to handle things that you aren't expecting.

In the teams, we always talked about your first free fall jump when you're learning how to skydive with the free fall rig. And your first jump seems like it's, it's like three seconds long, even though it's a minute. Even though it's a minute because you're just you're all amped up and you all you see is your altimeter and the more you jump the more you see Until that minute. I mean think of have you ever tried to hold your breath for a minute? Yes, that that's like a long time, right? But and that's that's the amount of time that can take up a free fall can be a nice long minute where you're observing all these different things But when you first start doing it it doesn't seem very long. I'm sure if we had Andy you know Andy Stump on here his one minute free fall price seems Like a really really long time because he's got thousands of of jumps and so this is the same thing the the more you train for Chaos the more custom you're going to become to the chaos now what's great is in this particular case you talking about this guy's just wild and crazy and hey if you survive it that first time well the next time someone goes wild and crazy you're like okay. Well here's what I need to do need to put this in check I need to I need to hold on

I need to make sure he I don't give any positions, but I'm not gonna get crazy. I'm just gonna absorb some you you go through that mental drill and the more you go through that mental drill the better you will get at it and This is true this is true with anything and and that's why you know when I was running the steel training We put the we we would make it So we'd hit people with the most random possible things because that's what prepares you for random possible things is random possible things That's what you want to deal with it's kind of weird you know in Jiu Jiu Jitsu Dean used to talk about this and now you can hear John Donner talking about it as well.

And if you have never been in a certain situation before, you're not ready for it. And when, okay, so there's a, there's a position in jiu-jitsu called 50-50, right? That's what it's called now. We used to call it Kakareko because that's the position that Dean was in when he beat a guy named Kakariko for the ADCC world championships. And Dean calls that position 90-10 because he's been in it so much that even though it's a neutral position, meaning we both have the same advantages and disadvantages. When Dean's in that position, he's been in it so much that he's got a 90% chance. He's got a 90% chance of success because he's been there 10 times, 20 times, 30 times more than you. And I heard John Donner talking about the same thing the other day.

He's getting people you know his his jih Tzu fighters right now are doing things to guys that are They're they're putting people in positions that the person's not used to So if you're not used to it guess what you're an advantage even though I might have trained even though let's say I'm a jihitsu black belt And I've been training for 20 years if I've never been in this particular Position before it's I might as well be a white belt in that position you can see that happening you can see that happening in Jiu Jitsu That's why when somebody comes up with a new new type of moves that move can be effective

for a little while. Like let's say you came up with a new move. You might catch me in that new move one time. And then I go, oh, I know what he did. But now if instead of just a new move, you had a whole new area. Yeah. That I had to learn a whole new deal around.

It's the same thing with Eddie Bravo and 10th Planet. You know, like they were doing things like, oh, I've never been in this position before. Now what do I do? Yeah. And they were catching guys like that. And then the more people figure out that part of that system. Okay, well, then you get better at it and we get to a neutral ground again.

But anytime you can, so in training, anytime you can get to be put yourself in a situation that you haven't been before, it's going to be beneficial to you. Now, how does this translate to real physical confrontations, right? How do you train for that? Well, how often are you putting on gloves in jih Tijuana? How often are you having somebody punch you in the face? How often are you having somebody come up and push you around? How often are you having people do things that people are going to do in a street fight, right? That people are going to do in a street fight that they wouldn't normally do in a jihitsu match, right?

For instance, in a street fight, does anyone ever start on the knees? Right? They don't start on the knees. No, sir, they do not. They don't start on the knees in a street fight. You don't say, hey, you want to fight me, and then you get down on your knees. And so does the other guy, now we figure out what happens. No, street fights don't start on the knees.

No. So you're almost and people asked me this actually somebody asked me the other day. What what should I do when starting from the knees? What's a good take down? I'm like go pull a guard because why are you on your knees? The best thing to do if your opponent is on their knees stand up and kick them in the face Right? Yeah, because you're not gonna be if you're why would you be on your knees? Yeah So don't practice that. So how do you prepare for the best way to prepare for these combat situations is is Is jihitsu tournament a good way? Yes, it is a good way? Yes, it is a good. way is boxing is is is boxing a good way is it good to do a smokers so you figure out what it's like when somebody some you want to talk about with someone going wild we know you get someone

that's untrained in boxing come throwing throwing you know windmill haymakers at you 32 in a row now they're going to be exhausted after that first 32 seconds but but you will have would have had to have withstand and not get punched in the head yeah because if you get punched in the head by a wild haymaker I don't care who you are if they connect with your chin there's a possibility you might go down. So you need to be careful that. So don't just think, oh, just Jiu-Jitsu. Hey, go out,

train some boxing, train some Muay Thai, and go and spar. And if you can, do a smoker's, because the smoker's pretty easy to do. In other words, you don't need to, you don't need to do like a full preparation camp and all that. It's an unofficial event.

So you go do a smokers, and you're going to experience somebody going wild on you yeah throwing haymakers at you throwing crazy kicks at you do that do all these things to get ready for those physical confrontations and then then you also on top of that you read and you look at YouTube videos go watch YouTube I've talked about this before go watch YouTube videos of street fights because you get to see what people what kind of things people do which which can be very effective right you need to watch learn to watch out for sucker punches you need to learn to watch out

watch your back and watch you sneaking up on you and be aware of your surroundings and put your back against the wall. You know, there's all these little things that you can do to make sure that you're not going to get soccer punched. But you've got to pay attention to those things. Yeah.

Yeah. That wildness that he talks about. Yeah. That is a huge thing. It's like a whole other factor where especially and exactly how he said, he's real familiar with his training partners. Right.

You know, so, man, you know, the amount of cruising and kind of relaxing, even during the role, there's probably a significant amount of it almost to the point where it seems like anyway where he kind of maybe expects that or you know even subconsciously kind of he he understands that that's kind of part of the deal you go against a complete stranger yeah and he gets wild then it's like whoa this is like it's kind of overwhelming you know yeah and also even at the three stripe white belt level yeah this other guy he may he's got his little game he's got his

game that he plays and there's a chance that as a three-stripe white belt you haven't learned that part of the game so it just feels yeah crazy yeah and that whole you know when you compete for the first second time you know just uh at those earlier see that that's the thing is at the more you train the less holes there are yeah right the less holes you are there are in your game and so if you're a three-striight white belt you might not have good uh guard replacement yeah right like you really haven't learned how to replace the guard from cross-side. Well, if this guy happens to be a guy that holds really well across the side and that's

where he works his game from, man, you're in big trouble. Yeah. You're in big trouble. Yeah. And it all seems so unpredictable, too, at those earlier stages because you don't know where your holes are. I mean, you might know some, but you don't know. Yeah.

You haven't seen enough of the game and you haven't been in enough situations where you can kind of stay calm and, you know, all this stuff. So to your point where you say you've got to be familiar with the unfamiliar kind of. I think remember when Majid started just baseball bat choking everyone yeah that was weird yeah these little weird setups and he would let people pass his guard but he they'd be thinking oh I'm about to score some points on that and boom they're getting tapped out yeah right they'll it was so foreign that okay so he went the two real real famous ones at the time when he exploded on the scene with these was he was Clark and Zach so there's two matches and

one of them, Zach Maxwell mounted him Arm bar. Now, has him in the arm bar. Meanwhile, baseball choke is in. Not, but who cares? Because really, that rule, not rule, but that situation kind of applies. If you have someone in the arm bar, I don't care.

You choke me up. I got the arm bar. I'm about to break your arm. He's going for the arm, but he can't lean back because the baseball bat chokes in. And he's like, he got a tap. He got a straight-up tap. And then I think he was Clark where he

could have been the other way around, But either way, Clark has a mound. Zach was, we were at these matches, weren't we? I know I was. Yeah, no, I wasn't. I was there alive. I saw the videos. But, yeah, the kind where Clark was like, I know this choke, I'm in mount or I'm in this

good position. I know that this choke doesn't work. It simply doesn't work because I have the advent and he gets choked unconscious because he doesn't tap. Sure, it might hurt. And that is the case for a lot of chokes where it's like, sure, this hurts. No, no, no, don't even hurt. No, a good one doesn't even hurt.

Yeah, it's just in. Yeah. So what we're talking about there is a guy named Majid what's Majid's last name Hage Yeah, that's right and he he came on to the scene we'll say With a this is what's interesting about this is the baseball bat choke is not a new choke Yeah, it's not a domain that people were unfamiliar with it's just that he was doing it really really really well With really good setups that people that's what that's the part that people weren't expecting It was a really good setups they were really good setups that people weren't expecting

Yeah, and so he'd let people pass their guard or his guard, but he had the choke in They'd get across side and get mounted or whatever go for arm locks and they're tapping Yeah, because they weren't expecting it. Yeah, and even if those, you know, I mean, Zach Maxwell and and Clark Gracie just a phenomenal competitors Black Belt Jiu jit-I mean been training their whole lives Yeah, both of them got caught by that by jaid Yeah, yeah the the the the the legitimate of like the way that whole thing went down was just so astounding like just like how you said like Clark yeah Clark has been winning stuff

from day one and then yeah and yeah it's just crazy but it just shows you know where you can you can be that good yeah you get just that one teeny tiny window of unfamiliarity yeah that's what it is creeps in there and he's familiar but he'll just have his way and then what was interesting is as people started knowing that that's what he's gonna go for it but he'd still get it yeah and actually he and I trained with him before yeah you know a few times or whatever and he didn't do that to me and I was like hey you know like what I didn't ask him why didn't do it to me but I was like do people you know like does everyone ask you to teach them or what he's like you know what people don't I don't even really talk about anymore

because I've become so well known for that move that it becomes it became less a part of my life he said yeah it's like well it can happen to where okay now Once you go okay it goes through a phase of hey I wasn't expecting that and it worked because I wasn't expecting it Then it goes like hey I was expecting it but it's still worked Yeah, but then it gets to a point where people are just going I'm not gonna do you like I'm oh if he grabs my collar I need to go in a totally different direction I need to not do anything need to back out whatever and then it becomes Where like you said it's now it's loses some of its effectiveness because everyone is expecting that to be the move that you do that's what happened with Dean

100% where they'd be like I don't care what position I'm in I don't care what position I have to give up and just do not get into that leg lock position

and you could tell with some of his matches I was like I get it you know I get it but yeah man that is how it goes but the chaos thing

I think you should compete more yes you should compete more for sure but what I'm saying is compete in Jiujitsu for sure but do some smokers do some moitai do some

wrestling matches, do some sombo, you know, get out there. Yeah, do some different competitions. And then on top of all that, man, do some scenario base training, you know, do some self-defense base training at the academy where somebody pulls out the knife, the fake knife, whatever, what do they call the fake knife? And like, let's make sure we know how to deal with that. Let's make sure we know how to deal with a baseball bat. Like, what are you going to do?

Yeah. What are you going to do? Because baseball bat, you know what you do with the baseball bat? Close the distance. Yeah. You know, hey, that's, that's, that's not even really a game changer as long as you know what you're doing. Knife, you close the distance with a knife. Now you're getting stabbed.

Yeah. So you got to make distance. Yeah. And it, again, man, just that familiarity. Like once you go through it, that's like almost night and day in and of itself. Once you've seen it. If you've never seen it or if you've seen it once. Like that first step is night and day.

So that's good that he went through this. Really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what's good, the other good psychologically, you know what he recognized? psychologically he recognized that he lost his mind What do he say he said? He said

I I did fear. Yeah, I got fear What was it? In one match I completely lost focus and control of my mind so once you that's just What you just said when you get that When you experience that

That's a good thing to experience because then you learn to recognize that you're losing control and you're losing your mind and you're gonna when you When you realize that it allows you to start monitoring it Yeah, you've never been, because there's people that are listening to this right now that have never lost their mind before They've never been overwhelmed by something and just not known what to do Never been frozen. You ever been frozen with fear?

Frozen with fear. If you've never felt your fight or flight thing engaged, then when it happens, you won't know what it is Yeah, yeah. You want to know what it is. So that way when it happens, you can go, okay, I know what's happening right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to make this decision. Yeah, and how you're saying when you train boxing or um boxing yeah yeah and m m ma so when you get hit in the face and we talked about this before when you get hit in the face and you haven't really been hit in the face before like that's a it'll throw you off oh yeah for sure to put really mildly it'll throw you off so especially yeah you're right because when you see someone get punched in the face in a movie and it seems like it doesn't really phase them that much and they keep going if that's what you're expected is going to happen when you get punched in the face that's the wrong idea

Yeah. Because what's gonna, if you've never been punched in the face before, when you get punched, it's a little shocker. Yeah. And there's pain and your eyes get blurry and you get a little flash. I mean, there's a lot of things that go on when you get punched in the face. Once you get used to it, you're like, you can move right through it. Exactly. Yeah.

But if you're not used to it, it's a problem. Yeah. Fully. And it's, that's another one. It's night and day when a guy has been hit in the face a bunch of times and is used to it and a guy who's not used to it. Because, you know how, like, you can, you can. hit a guy in a face or get hidden in the face and they'll be like, I'm

done. Like I didn't really expect this encounter, this experience. You don't want to get and then other guys, they'll get him in the face, break their nose, break their jaw, all this stuff, and they keep fighting, you know? It's like, dang. So that night and a situation, if you're not used to it, which is essentially the same

thing you went through. This guy went wild. He wasn't ready for this overwhelming experience and he lost his mind according to him. So if you get him in the face, like I remember Greg punched me in my face so hard where I don't know if he was mad or

or just Greg train fires it off he punched me right between the eyes thought he broke my face and it was the kind where it was the timing thing too where I came in I was shooting in and right before I level changed or whatever he just connected

and I was like boom and I remember thinking because I just kept going and I remember thinking dang I'm glad I was kind of used to getting hit in the face because that would have kind of At the very least paused me for a long time like thinking he would have but I'm thinking when you imagine just that kind of chaos and sensation That'll just stop you but once you're used to it you're good and this is a good point to bring up with just with any kind of training Like leadership training right when you have leaders that haven't been put in certain situations before that's why at a

Escalonfront we do like role-playing exercises of people and you put people in situations the first time you put them in situations like dealing with a Hostel subordinate that doesn't want to do the plan the first time they get put in that scenario they they they just loo they just fall apart Oh no I told you to do it and you're okay. Let's replay that by the third time you're doing it They're already handling the job the handling the scenario infinitely better infinitely better than they did the first time Yeah so it's the same with everything in life like the exposure to it and the rehearsal of it gives you such a massive advantage That to not rehearse and to not train is it's actually Actually sad and that's actually that the Ashlandfront's a great example because that's why we're in business

Because people people don't even know that they should be doing this yeah and and and to go to a company that has 50 a hundred 150 200 leaders that are leading teams and they have no leadership training and Therefore we're all surprised when the leader doesn't get the teams to do what they're supposed to do well Who taught him how to lead? You just don't show you just not you just don't show up to work knowing how to lead. No, you actually get trained to lead Yeah, all these unfamiliar micro scenarios happening. Yeah, you know, that's that's one of the that's one of the cool Like at the muster we do these little drills at the muster and you could see people are are overwhelmed With the knowledge that they gain from two or three little scenarios that we put in front of them and these are common stairs that happen all the time

But when you watch seasoned business leaders try and handle a scenario that they Haven't seen before now they might have seen it before but they never actually had to deal with it The first time they try and deal with it they fall apart yeah and it's real obviously it takes like 10 seconds before you go okay. Let's just stop Because you've already got this guy mad at you well let's try this again Because we we haven't been sued this situation before they never been punched in the face before Yeah, and that's the problem Yeah, don't let it happen get punched in the face a few times yeah, yeah, you can do this it's kind of like I remember when our kids that There was this gum, you know, like Rigley's chewing gum.

You know, the little packs. It's like four or five of them. They're a small little thing. And, you know, you grab one. And there's one kind of sticky now. You can say, hey, you know, do you want one? Yeah. Offer one to your friend.

So it was my brother. And he did, a long story, but he was crying from something else. So he was sad. And he was like crying. And, oh, by the way, you know, he offers me some gum. I grab the gum. It's one of those mouse traps. Yeah, yeah.

And it slaps you and kind of hurts when you're a little kid anyway. And it snaps off your family. I'm like, dang, I never, you know, I see he's laughing. He was crying from something else, and then he's laughing, shared him up, whatever. Double leg. It was at the airport. Well, actually, which would have made the double leg even better. Nonetheless, I'd never seen that before.

Now, someone offers me Rigley's gum. I'm aware I'm ready for that mousetrap. Maybe the mousetrap. Maybe not. But you're grabbing by the side. I'm driving by the side. Exactly right. Yeah, exactly right.

I don't have to endure that. I won't lose my mind. Life is no different. Next question. I'm a chef in a large operation kitchen. I'm second in command overseeing a large kitchen staff and part of a five-person management team overseeing the entire account.

Recently, during my last review, I was given some advice by my boss and his boss. I'm unsure about. My last two annual reviews have gone very well, and I'm on the rise in the company. However, they said, if it was important for me to get, or he however they said it was important for me to give up some of my kitchen dog mentality

and work to showcase my artistic side and embrace more of a star role in the spotlight get out of the kitchen a bit more gain more exposure specifically with our high profile clients while i appreciate their sentiment and respect their big management skills their style isn't one i strive to emulate or feel would work for me and the way I operate. I have always approached my work as more of a craft than an art, and I've always liked being a trench dog with my team. My team responds to it, and I get results for the business, and I feel the results should speak for themselves.

It has propelled my career rapidly thus far, so why would I want to change and be something I'm not? Should I heed their advice or stick to what I do best and keep getting after it on my terms. That's one of those questions. That's just funny how that last statement is framed, right? Should I stick to what I do best and keep getting after it? As if to say, if you say no, you should not stick to what you do best.

And you should not get after it, right? That's the frame there. And actually, this guy, I answered the question real tersely. I think this came through Facebook messages. I said sounds like you found a comfortable zone for yourself and you want to stay in there Right little cold-butted response and he's like I knew it Because as we know in the comfort zone there's there's no growth in the comfort zone So it's interesting this guy is actually getting some some good solid and straightforward advice from up the chain of command

Plus I think if they have him as more of a personality than the rest of restaurant will do better and they're trying to build their reputation and your reputation at the same time and that seems pretty reasonable to me right and I'm not real familiar with the restaurant But I'm familiar enough to know if you've got a good reputation with the staff that works at the restaurant it brings in more people Like there's no doubt about it the the relationship just like any other business The relationships that you build with the customers Strengthens them strengthens that relationship and makes them want to come back for more right? That's the way it works And so for them to say to you, hey, man, hey, you know, you're a good cook. We get that.

We need a little bit more. We want a little bit more. Chef. We need somebody that has, yeah, chef. Sorry. You're a good chef. Yeah, yeah, sorry. You're a good chef.

Well, actually, what I think I might have actually purposely said that. Like, hey, you're doing a good job in the kitchen as a cook. We don't need someone that's just cooking the food. We need a chef with a reputation. With a personality right? Yeah, there's a difference there, right? Yes, sir. So it was called out for a reason Gotcha. He's happy and you can see like kitchen dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's proud of that, right? And I get that man. I get that. I get that like you're one of the boys. You're back in the in the grind Well, let me let me ask you this or let me make this statement. Guess what you have to do as a seal as a seal leader? Guess what you have to do? You have to build relationships You have to make your commanding officer trust you.

You have to build relationships with the Army. You have to build relationships to the Marine Corps. You have to, and in order to do that, you have to, like, raise your, you have to call a little bit of attention to yourself and raise your hand and say, hey, this is who I am. You have to take, this is who I am. You actually have to step into the spotlight a little bit so that you can let people know who you are, because if people don't know who you are, how do you have a relationship with them?

And if you don't have a relationship with people, how can they trust you? So, so that's part of it, right? That's part of what they're asking you to do now In all seriousness, if if you really don't want to do it well then you can keep being the guy that's in the back and Guess what you're gonna be mad in six months when some other chef gets hired for a different shift and all of a sudden he's out Making friends with everyone he gets promoted and why does he get promoted well look at what the guy's doing But he's not as good as he's not as he's not as good as he's not not as good as a cook as I am. Guess what? They don't really care. Being making the food is only part of what they want you to do. Just like being a seal, doing missions is only part of what

they, what you need to do to do the mission. You can't just be tactically sound. You've got to have the relationships built so you can work in the battle space that's owned by a conventional commander. You got to have the relationship that you can get your missions approved up the chain of command on the special operation side how do you do that you build you go out you talk to people you get out of your comfort zone it's a weird thing you know I'm kind of I'm kind of anti-social right like if you don't know me we're not gonna have a conversation you know like we're not having a like it's not I'm not walking up and talking to you if I don't know you I'm not walking up and saying hi to you it's not happening

It's not my personality if you say hi to me I'll say hi I'm not disrespectful I'm not rude But I'm not looking to have a bunch of conversations with people and so that's known to me But that's not okay for the business side of my life which is hey I got to talk to people got to build relationships got to had to know my commanding officer had to know the common or had to know the the the conventional battalion Commander had to know the brigade commander had to build relationships could I just talk about War with the Brigade Commander well I could but what's more powerful that I talk about war and I talk about where I'm from or where he's from or what you know other things yes because I want to build a relationship why because I'm trying to build trust what why because I want him to allow me to go out there and do things in his battle space so that's what they're asking you they're asking you to

step out of your comfort zone it doesn't need to become your primary focus no should you try and step out of the comfort zone if you want to grow if you want to have more opportunity I would give it a try I would give it a try if not you know like I said if you hate it and you feel like you're not being true to your true self that's okay maybe your true self is meant to be the one that's back not getting promoted yeah they need somebody to do that you it's not you it might be somebody else yeah another one of those tough questions where people you know hit me with like should I just be should be loyal to myself because that the obvious like answer that everyone wants to hear is like yeah

dude the most important thing you got to be loyal to yourself that's the most important thing okay if that's what your priority is then that's the most important thing but guess what who does a who can take care of the other kitchen dogs that respect you so much who can take a better care of them than you can because if you get promoted if you don't get promoted and and Johnny glamour boy gets promoted because he's likes to go out and shmooze the clients and now he gets promoted and yours and now who's gonna take care of the kitchen dogs on his on his time right not him he doesn't care he's got he got promoted not for taking care of his guys he got promoted because he shmoos the clients play the game a little bit it's weird man you're explaining that and it's like makes complete sense i'm thinking of it in terms of like being a i don't know i guess it applies to any relationship you have some so like let's say okay you have a wife right you're you're buried whatever and so your wife wants to go to hypothetically wife wants to go to i don't know vermont right and you're like hey i don't like vermont you know

go to Vermont or whatever, but your wife's like, hey, I want you to come because I like spending time with you and all this stuff. And as a husband, you're like, hey, I like spending time with you too. Why can't we do something that I specifically like to do? Or whatever.

And it has to do a lot of times with like maybe your wife's friends or the in-law. So I don't want to hang with you, but I don't want to hang with you, but I don't want to hang with you with the friends and all this stuff or whatever. But a lot of the time, in my case, might have been me just sticking in my little comfort zone you know like the people that I like to hang out with

there's like set stuff that I know they're into and I know they like to talk about and all this stuff and I'm essentially rejecting being open to new or other stuff you know that's you know that's kind of like a situation but in a way I'm kind of doing what this what this guy's implying where it's like I'm going to say true to myself

in my interests and all this stuff. I love my wife 100%. That has nothing do with it. Vermont has nothing do with me and my wife, you know, but why shouldn't I step outside of my comfort zone and, you know, try to accommodate her wishes in this way? It's not a make or break a relationship or nothing like that. But if I do that, if I just exercise the ability to be open, I become more valuable of a husband, more valuable. I offer more value in the relationship and as a person. So same exact thing when you're explaining this one this guy's explaining where he's awesome in as a chef in the back doing the you know doing his deal doing what he does best awesome but they

and these guys see it his superior see it obviously where they're like hey we want you to do this more stuff even because you're awesome and man imagine if you had this this this more stuff you know valuable you would be as a xyz whatever the position is in this case as a chef and to reject that is essentially to say you know what I don't want to be more valuable as a chef or I don't want to be more valuable as a husband I I prefer to stick with my current value I don't want to upgrade there you go I refuse to upgrade so I'm staying true to myself just saying anyway next question I mean can you cross the line and get to a point where you make yourself sick because you've done yeah then you've gone too far that's the dichotomy of leadership like yeah if you become just a disgusting sycophant then guess what that's not good yeah so I'm not

talking about that yeah I'm not talking about leaving your values and abandoning your values that's not what I'm talking about right talking about playing the game a little bit there's a big difference step outside the comfort zone play the game a little bit at the very least do it with open mind see how you like it what if you were like you got real good at that you know like public speaking for example where I'm no exception. A lot of people, they don't like public speaking. Even though they might have a lot to say or whatever, you know,

like some people like they're smart, but I don't want to get up on state, nothing like that. That's dumb. I'm not a star. I don't want the limelight on me and all this stuff. Then they do it one time and they offer like just so much value doing it. And then they get used to it. And then all of a sudden they kind of like it, you know?

It could be one of those deals. Could be. Could be. You never know until you try it. Next question. Two of my bosses. have told me I don't like Jocko Interesting

Without giving any valid reasons Their ego is in the way How do I flank them to help them see the path My belief is that they're afraid of the truth And they're afraid of the truth they see in extreme ownership Okay, so Yeah I mean clearly ego could be a problem here As a leader, you know, who wants to constantly be

Compared to some other leader right you know if you were teaching a jujitsu class it's like well the way that the way that Dean teaches this you know that that would make you mad after one so that could be part of the problem oh that's that that's definitely that's way up there on the list of possible things could be the military flavor right some people don't like the military flavor thing so that's that's okay it's it's can turn some people off they don't want to hear about it that's fine the reality is here's the but here's the reality of the situation, okay?

What is there to not like about the things that I talk about, right? So let's say, you know what? I don't like people taking ownership. I want everyone to make excuses and blame each other, right? It doesn't even make sense, you know, instead of, you know, I don't want to hear about this cover move. I want everyone to ignore each other and worry about themselves, right?

Like that makes no sense whatsoever. You know, if keeping things simple, I don't want to, hey, look, I don't want to, hey, look, I don't want to keep things simple I want everything to be so complicated but no one knows what's going on right like these things they make no there's no human being no one in a leadership position that would want everyone or that would that would go against what these simple principles so how do you fix it then right what's the problem uh one here's a couple and actually this was a twitter thing and a bunch of people gave great responses on Twitter after I kind of highlighted it um One one of them and my my actual response is like hey just don't you know stop using my name

You know stop saying well jocco's sick because you can imagine how annoying that must be well jocco's in you know when you're in a leadership position You know it's like that's gonna really great on somebody so so so throw that out the window don't pit it as Me jaco against what your bosses are saying no don't do that you've set up an adversarial relationship with them and you've set up an adverse adversary relationship with me and I've never met these people before I don't even know who they are you know what business they're in But what you've done by constantly harping on it is you've pissed them off and now they're saying dude quit talking about jaco we don't care Because also the way that he's in just the way he's being offensive in Approaching these things means that he has a little more listening and growing to do because if you really want to

Approach your boss or you know he asked about flanking his boss well the way you flank someone isn't going hey the way jaco says you should do this I'm like no that's not good So let the principles work on another another person pointed out you know Hey don't they stop trying to impose your things on them like you take extreme ownership how's that sound you step up and start leading you do your thing you perform well Quit talking quit trying to force these things down people's throats and give them space give them room and Then they'll recognize that you're doing a good job if you label it With something that you know they don't like well then they're not gonna like it no matter what you do No matter what you do that's gonna be problematic

Don't bludgeon them with with well you know I this is blah blah blah no don't do that Take let put your ego in check how's that sound put your ego in check a little bit Make the ideas that you're talking about their ideas Get them to talk about ownership you know get them maybe they call it something else other than extreme ownership Maybe they call it you know personal accountability. Okay, awesome. That's great. Yeah, I really like that I really like what you've come up with boss. I'm in with oh well now they're in the game and they don't realize that you're talking about the same thing That's fine don't they don't ever have to realize that they don't ever have to realize that So I mean there's some people there's some people that don't like even in the teams there's people that like they didn't like me

Didn't matter where what the the principal was didn't make no that's no It's like no like hey just just just don't don't attach my name to it Yeah, and go and do be a good leader how's that? So those are some things I think if you live live the principles Act on the principles no one's gonna be mad at you for taking ownership and responsibility of what you're doing Unless you say oh, you like how I took ownership of bat well then you might paint yourself into a corner Yeah, it's stupid where they end up not accepting what you're doing Yeah, and they'll get mad at you for stepping on their toes of course and it is also as you do this as you take ownership

Don't rub their noses in it You give them credit how hard is that You know you've come up with a solution the problem say hey, no actually I got this idea from something I saw you doing Really? Right? That's how you that's how you that's how you flank them Hey, it took ownership of this problem? Oh really? Oh you said oh here we go extreme? No, no, no, don't say that Don't say that You know it's like hey boss I I wanted to make sure this got done correctly I was watching the way you did blah blah blah blah you go from there

Yeah give them the idea yeah makes sense it yeah I wonder how the boss Got introduced to the concept of jocco for him to eventually hate it not like in this situation It probably was like you know multiple repetitions of what? Yeah, yeah yeah, it's like yeah and and didn't pick up the vibe yeah which is like hey, hey I'm dealing with someone with the big ego and they're not going to take well to me talking about this other guy's leadership style. Do you you don't want to be compared to some other leader if you're in a leadership position? Yeah and and man also is kind of the same thing but a little bit different the that thinking about that's the type of scenario man that's the worst that's like as a boss I would think that that'd be really bad because okay so here's a here's a situation so I make videos sometimes right and so let's say I And actually this is an actual thing that actually happened where, okay, so I made this video for this, we'll say, client. And kind of say, okay, you know, they look at it. And it's typical, you know, they'll have some input, maybe some information they want to add or take or change or whatever.

And then this guy said, oh, yeah, I'm not sure about this part. I showed it to my wife. And she said, you know, XYZ and X, and X, and I'm thinking, okay, I get it. like okay you showed it to people that I understand but I was like wait wait so this is a video I made for you and your deal you know kind of thing and you went and showed your wife and then now she has some kind of input she's not part of this deal you know now you're like citing your wife's critique and like all this stuff and it doesn't make sense by the way as far as what we've discussed and all this stuff right so the so the wife

is kind of now I kind of have this kind of disdain for the wife I don't know the wife at all by the way so I'm like I'm just not feeling the wife anymore your ego got in the way a little A little bit, right? Yeah. And it's natural is what I'm saying, where it's kind of like, I thought we were doing this video kind of together and I was like, do this for you and you gave me the input and now you involved your wife in it who threw the whole thing off because she's not even part of this little thing right now.

It's really hard to put your ego in check. It's really hard to put your ego in check and actually listen to what the critique points are. It's hard for anyone to do that, you know? And so when it happens, you have to go, okay, that's my ego and you need to put it aside. Yeah. Consider this situation.

If the guy would have just said, don't say I showed it to my wife and she said this. Don't say if he would have said, well, I was thinking about this, which is what the wife said, you know, in there, whatever. I was thinking about this, whether it would have got delivered way better, way easier. Same thing with your situation. If someone's saying, I don't know, let's say, for example, it's a fireman. It's a fireman. And, you know, the boss is saying, hey, we should do this and do that. And then this guy just out of the blue says, well, Jocko said,

Boss is like who the hell is Jop? I don't remember hiring Jocko. Who is this guy? And what's he talking about? Cool. But Jocko has no say in this department. It's me. It's you.

It's the team, you know, the team that we've worked with kind of thing. And that's kind of the feeling. So yeah, man, don't say Jocko. Yeah.

Leave Jock. I don't need the credit. Not all. Yeah, yeah. Next question. Jocco, please explain how working harder for an incompetent superior

helps oneself. I feel like screw them and whatever lightning bolt of luck they were struck by to get in their position. Is that kind of like screw them and the horse they rode in on kind of thing? Yeah, that is. No, he's saying screw them and they were there in their position of superior because they got lucky. Yeah, yeah. I didn't get lucky. Screw them.

Yeah. And, you know, here's the answer to that. It's like, okay, so what are you going to do then? What are you going to do then? You're going to sit around and wait for your own bolt of lightning of luck to hit you? Is that what you're going to do? I don't recommend that instead I recommend that you step up and yes you do work harder and you do the best possible job that you can do and you take some pride in what you're doing and how you're doing it

and you do it better than they could not to rub their nose into it not to prove that you can do it but out of professionalism that's why you do it now one outcome that can come from that is they get credit for your work And that makes you all mad. No, that's actually good. Because if they get credit for your work, guess what? Works going well, they're going to get promoted. And they get the recognition.

Okay, that's fine. But they know where the actual credit goes, even if they don't give it to you. Even if they don't give it to you, they know it. Even if they're the type of person that doesn't even realize that you're like, oh, wow, I did all that work and he's taking all the credit for it. They don't even know that I made this happen or he doesn't even know that he that I made this happen They know They know So as long as you can keep your ego and checking you can let them have the credit

Eventually they get promoted the team's doing well You'll look good you'll get promoted your life is easy Your gaining experience you've got a good reputation like everything is going in your direction And and by the way when that incompetent person does get promoted who do they you? usually recommend that fills their spot you because you're the one that got them promoted they're stoked on that now you become a superstar that's great eventually they're gonna get found out by the way like someone incompetency can't be hidden forever and eventually someone says wait a second you don't even know how to do this that was that

was that was echo Charles that was doing this this whole time yeah okay okay well we're gonna promote echo you're out of here that that that'll happen and when that happens when that incompetency gets found out then You will get the recognition you deserve because people said that wasn't jaco doing all this stuff this was echo They go oh jocco you're done so that so that's something to happen or another outcome that can happen is that they give you the credit that That that you're due which is great and you still get promoted and you may get promoted above them which is fine too And or they might get promoted which is fine stop worrying about it So those two things if you do a good job eventually something good is gonna come out of it

Whether it's they get whether it's you both get promoted whether it's they get promoted above you whether it's you get promoted above that it doesn't matter all those outcomes or maybe it's just the team continues to do well and your job is stress free and you continue to perform and the the the division that you're in grows and you get a chance to promote because everyone's getting promoted it's like all good all good stuff Or you can be angry and you can be frustrated and you can blame your own bad luck and you can not work hard and you can not do a good job and you can be recognized as a slacker and you can get blamed by the a incompetent boss when things do fall short because that's what the incompetent boss does He doesn't step up and take ownership of it. He says no you know what I would have done a better job But echo was slacking that's the problem now echo gets fired and and guess what someone we hire someone else to come in and they start doing a good job The boss still gonna look good and still get promoted just that you lost your job and by the way you lost your job with a bad reputation now you can't even get a recommendation for a new job So you lose That's what's gonna happen.

Yeah. So step up, do your best. It'll pay off in the long run. Yeah. It's funny how like it's one of those things where if you can just flip the switch and see that, just that one little thing. And it's funny though, too, the way those, the way these questions are framed, you know, what they want to hear is like, no, you know what? If you got an incompetent boss, you don't help him out. You let him burn.

Yeah. That's what you do. That's what people want to hear. But it's the easy answer and it's not the same answer. and it's not the smart answer. And it's a short-term answer, not a long-term answer. Make your boss look great.

How's that? That's my goal. I want to make my boss look great. You know, there was a little tell in the question, too. I'm no expert, obviously, a lightning bolt of luck. Of luck.

Yeah. So, you know the whole deal, and this is even, you can be a normal person to recognize this. Like, people who are bitter, I'm not saying the asker of this question is bad. I'm not saying that.

I'm saying this is the external, scenario but you know how if you get a bitter person who's just better in life maybe not doing as well in life as they had you know had hoped or whatever you'll probability wise you'll probably encounter them from time to time no more saying how the guy who is successful is lucky they're lucky they had a given to them like all this all this other stuff me i'm not lucky whatever whatever but it's always the successful guy is lucky always yeah they attribute other people's success to luck to luck for sure so the lightning bolt of luck and screw them you know kind of thing just that is indicative I'm not saying it is I'm not saying

it is or isn't as far as this particular person but it tends to be like that and again like that just that switch if you can like turn on the switch and just look at it just like how you said it's not intuitive I get it man because it's like this I was in that situation where like literally I I was doing the work so many think about this you just said you're in this situation almost everybody has been in this situation and here's the difference if you don't flip that switch and you're in this situation your whole life goes down in the other direction yeah that's the real problem that's why you meet people yeah you know

this is a thing I think about a lot you you know how you know people in your life they're bad asses but they but they're not going anywhere like like you look at me you go man this guy's smarter than me and and a better athlete than me and a better speaker than me But they're not going anywhere and you know why it's because at some point in their life instead of saying oh wow that guy's that guy's lucky That's what they do at some point in their life instead of saying hey that person worked to get in that situation and I should do the same Is that saying that they say oh that person got lucky yeah that's why they're there and I'm down here. Yeah, I'm better than him Yeah, you can't make the upward climb if you don't say, you know what, hey, that person might be a little luck there, but guess what? They're obviously working hard.

They're obviously doing something right because I'm down here and they're up there. How do I get up there? Yeah. The answer to get up there is not by tearing them down. The answer to get up there is by working hard. Yeah. Make them look good. That line you said, so what?

And so what are you going to do about it? Yeah, what are you going to do about it? That's the switch right there. Because I mean you deal with it with kids. Obviously, I have some young kids. And, you know, same thing. Like, oh, this is who it is. Or this happened or whatever.

Spilled milk. I don't know, whatever. And, you know, the kid's crying. That's all this stuff. It's like, okay. So what are you going to do about it? So you can cry. You totally can.

And you can complain about how junk that is that the milk got spilled or your toy broke or whatever the situation. Yeah, because that's all true. It's absolutely true. And go ahead. You can cry or whatever. But if that's what you're going to do about it, Then okay, then that's what it's gonna be and that's all it's gonna be

You're gonna continue to cry and you probably continue to cry next time it happens to or You clean up the milk you fix your toy you whatever you know whatever what are you gonna do about it? That's the whole thing, you know What are you gonna do about it? It's interesting to you there's like a Just a known The the right answer seems really obvious when we talk about it right now, but not many people see that right answer No most people want to just be mad at their boss and be frustrated and undermine them and not work hard So that they don't get any shine on them. It's like okay great. That's you put yourself in that barrel too. Yeah. Don't do it. It's crazy man It's actually I shouldn't say it's crazy. It's it makes sense. I mean I felt that before 100%

Yeah. Oh for sure for sure Next question can you be Default aggressive and relaxed in Jiu Jitsu? Okay, yeah, this seems like two opposing things that you can't do at the same time, but the actual fact is yes, you can and you should. So you want your maneuvers to be aggressive, but you don't want to be using a bunch of strength to execute the maneuvers, right? You want to aggressively escape your opponent's position before your opponent gets settled. Therefore, you don't have to use strength. You can use relax it. You can relax. You can be proactive. Same thing with defending a submission attempt. You want to defend that submission attempt aggressively.

before the submission attempt gets settled in. You want to move aggressively. Again, I'm not talking about strength and spazzing. I'm talking about moving aggressively before your opponent moves and get ahead of them on their Oudaloupe. When you get ahead of them on their Oudaloupe, they're going to have issues with you. And so, yeah, absolutely.

You can be default aggressive and at the same time you can be relaxed. And you should. That should be your goal. Do you sometimes have to you strengthen jiu-jitsu? Yes, you do. Yes, you do Sometimes you got to power out of something. Why did you the reason you had to power out of something is because you were too late because you weren't moving aggressively enough You weren't moving quickly enough and so then you got to power out of something got to claw those hands claw that guillotine off your neck. You know what I'm saying? You know when you get a guillotine on someone they're clawing your fingers away from their neck? Yes Yeah, so when that happens that person was late And now they're clawing.

They're resorting to strength. They're resorting to panic. Clawing at your fingers. Sometimes it usually doesn't even matter. They can claw. It doesn't matter. Good. No.

I like that sense of panic that I feel when they're clawing. Yeah, I'm sure you do. You really seem like you like it a lot. So that's what that's what it is. And by the way, this is true in life as well, right? Yeah. Like if you are maneuvering correctly, correctly as a least, You don't have to get aggressive at people because they're doing what they're supposed to be doing

You know, right? You don't have to be you shouldn't have to yell if you have to yell as a boss Guess what your your intent wasn't followed your plan wasn't understood there's so many mistakes that you made if you're yelling as a leader Do you never have to yell? Yeah, so sometimes you can yell because you got to make sure you get that emotional point across Sometimes you got to make sure that someone real like someone doesn't seem to realize that the mistake that they made is severe enough that that it warrants a yelling and therefore it doesn't matter to them because their dad yelled at them their whole life well So if you're not yelling, they don't get it. So can you run to that? Problem occasionally? Occasionally.

Very occasionally. Very, very rarely should you run into that situation. Because if you're doing the right job, being default aggressive as a leader, you should be in situations where you never have to yell. Because your people, because your people understand what it is that they're supposed to be doing. They understand why they're supposed to be doing it. They understand what the plan is. They understand what the contingencies were. They understand what the, what the, what the, what the.

intent that you had was they understand that the way that this fits strategically into the situation they understand all those things and if they understand all those things then they're gonna do the right thing and if they don't if they understand all those things and they still do something that that doesn't make sense well maybe they do deserve get yelled at but again all the first person I check is myself and say well I obviously had to make this clear enough so yes relax harder so yelling is to leading as using Strength is to jujitsu

Somewhat. You gotta do it every once in a while. Every once in a while. Or if you're late, maybe you lacked on your technique earlier. You gotta kind of make up for it a little bit. But think about this. You hurt your stamina when you use your strength. Right.

And when you yell at you, when I yell at you, because something went wrong and you're my subordinate, when I yell at you, I pay a little price for that too. Yeah. Because it better be important. And I better really think about it, because I didn't do anything to build our relationship in a positive manner by yelling at you right didn't do anything yeah just like you

didn't improve your jiu jih Tchitzu technique or knowledge you or or really you I guess you improved your situation for a moment right because you escaped but now you're more tired just like if I yelled at you to do something and you did it because you Real you know you were like okay well fine I don't want to get yelled at anymore so I'm just gonna do this thing that he told me to do That's temporary it's a temporary fix it's a temporary fix yeah you know how like jp. will say um aggressive it isn't, or default aggressive isn't towards people, it's towards making things happen. So, like, so in Jiu-T's the same thing.

So it's like, I don't aggressively, like, it's, and it, in a way, you kind of can narrow it down to the timing thing. It's like, it's either taking action or hesitating kind of thing, so you just don't really hesitate. You can lay back if that's part of the strategy and stuff like that. You can relax when it's part of the strategy, but it's about making things happen. Like, what are you trying to make things happen timing-wise?

So, you know how, like, you have the thing, Tim Ferriss asked, what is the disrespect? Remember you asked me that? What's the disrespect? Oh. It's a jiu-jit-movie. Yeah, yeah, a guard pass. You made up, by the way.

You made up the terminology as well. So the disrespect is basically when a guy pulls guard or you're in a guard scenario, it's actually not even a guard scenario yet. It's like you essentially treat that person like they don't even have a guard. Like the guard doesn't even exist. That's how little respect you have for the guard

and then you just pass. But when you kind of think about it, when I think about it, when you've done it to me, The times you have It is literally that so before I can establish any kind of position to establish guard You're just boom just yeah you're past it you're done you know you don't even consider the guard You know what's weird is is where people get confused on this though is they think oh so you're saying move faster

Yeah right that's the weird thing yeah it is it's not it's I'm sure I'll think of this at a later time But it's not about moving faster it's about moving more a Aggressively, right? It's not faster. It's like being proactive and being aggressive and and shutting down the situation before It even becomes the situation that you know it's going to become. Yep. So if you take like you said like if you take taking action and hesitation you take those two it's basically you're narrowing the hesitation down to zero if possible That's literally what it is. Yeah. Just take action and again you can relax you can wait but it's not hesitation waiting it's like more like being patient or waiting for a very very specific reason you can do all like all those things but there's no hesitation that's what I think that is and then obviously it's going to vary for yeah this is something you hear over and over and over again in combat leadership philosophies like doing something now is better than

waiting yeah doing doing something that's pretty good right now is infinitely better than doing something that's great in two days yeah yeah good plan now better than a great it's like be aggressive make something happen yeah like that is so important Can you overdo it? Yes, you can. Can you make stupid decisions? Because you rushed? Yes, you can.

Is there a dichotomy in this? Absolutely. There is. There's a dichotomy in every part of it. So, and every type of leadership, there's a dichotomy in jiu-jitsu, right? There's a dike- because if I just rush to a situation, well, that might be the situation that you wanted me to rush to.

You gave me the opening, the trap. So. It's like, you know when you're like helping your friend move, and then you get like three, four other friends, you know, and everyone's waiting. around to be like okay where do we start okay where do we put you know where do we start who's starting first kind of thing the default aggressive guy he's just going to start moving stuff yeah and that seems like okay that's like a little lighthearted scenario but bad that's real that's when

i would run into it you know when there's a bunch of people and we're all capable of making the decision it kind of paralyzes everyone because oh this is so true it that scenario that you're talking about it happens over and over and over again the business world it happens over and over again on the battlefield. It happens on the training field where there's a bunch of people and no one's taking leadership position. Yeah, like you're... And all it takes is someone to say, hey, we're moving this over here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, put all this, get all the stuff off the truck right now. Boom. Guys are like, okay, cool. We'll make it happen. Yeah, like your oil rig scenario. Yeah. The exact same thing.

Yeah. And if you're default aggressive, meaning that's your default. That's your zero. You're that 100%. Then you're just pandaling. Business right your whole life until you take it too far yeah and you're trying to run stuff that other people might have a better vision of what to do Like if I might be if I'm only moving for the first time ever

On our moving team and I come in I'm like hey guess what? Hey, we're gonna start getting this heavy stuff And you're like hey actually that's not a good idea Yeah, we should do this we should get this stuff in here in the truck first or whatever right? Because you've been doing it longer So even though it's got to be your default mode again there's a dichotomy you can push too far To keep your eyes open Next question. Let's do one more. Jocko.

How do self-awareness, self-assessment, and self-improvement begin? And how do they continue over time? Well, they're all tied together. And it starts with being self-aware, with being able to detach. Because if you can't detach from yourself, then you can't see yourself. And so people ask, how do you detach from yourself? How do you learn to do that? And a good drill for this is try to imagine the way other people see you and what other people

are thinking of you. And one place where the, this happens and it definitely happened to me is when I started getting put in charge of things I started thinking about other people's perspectives What are they seeing if you're in charge then? What are your subordinates see you do? What are your subordinates? See you do? What are your subordinates here you say? What kind of representation? Are they receiving in? If you work for someone else, it's the same questions what does Does the boss see me do? What does the boss hear me say? What kind of Representation am I making of myself to my boss?

And then you start thinking about what are your friends and family think? What do they see? What do they hear? And so the question becomes how well do you represent yourself? What shortfalls do you have now? When you first start? looking it's like you're looking at an overgrown lawn there are some big obvious problems so you do a broad just kind of general cut of the grass you fix some of the big easy problems that are obvious once you've done that you've gotten rid of some of those big obvious problems you notice some more detailed problems so you you handle them and once you've got those handled you see even smaller and more detailed

issues so you start trying to fix them and that's what you do with yourself you continually detach and then you look and then you refine and then you detach and then you look and then you refine and then you detach and you look and then you refine that's what you do that's how you get better and that process doesn't stop it can't stop because if you stop refining then then the weeds grow back and the next thing you know you can't see yourself anymore and you can't see yourself anymore when you stop looking at you yourself then you accept you accept anything and that's wrong accept the faults don't give yourself the benefit of the doubt you've got to be your own harshest

Critic and hold the line and don't let go and I think that's all I've got for Tonight so echo Charles if speaking of improving ourselves sure have any recommendations as to how we might be able to improve ourselves a little bit sure improve and maintain improve maintain improve me well something like that I would recommend okay let's start with the workout right working out is established and known

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It might be that short term payoff thing. You know, you know, it's natural to seek short term payoff. It's natural. I think that's it. Because again, you lose your health,

you lose everything. Straight up. So why wouldn't health be first on the priority list? I don't have time to exercise. No, you have time to exercise. You might not have time to, the rest of the stuff in life.

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And to everyone else that is out there Listening but not just listening more important watching Watching watching yourself observing yourself looking to see what you can do better and where you can be better So that you can become better keep yourself in check Hold the line and get after it so until next time this is echo and jocco out