Jocko Podcast - 128: How to Gain Confidence. Forgiveness VS Settling The Score. Does Discipline Inhibit Creativity?

Episode Date: June 6, 2018

0:00:00 - Opening. 0:00:43 - Overtraining. 0:06:20 - Packing a lunch for work. 0:10:39 - Real estate investing. 0:20:41 - Do you ever watch mindless tv or Youtube during down time? 0:22:02 - Using mass punishment on the team. 0:22:52 - Discipline as a creative. 0:26:55 - Dealing with being "lonely at the top." 0:33:31 -  The Office reboot. Starring Jocko. 0:36:51 - Seeing kids in bad situations: Effecting parenting. 0:38:13 - How to reduce your boss's anxiety. 0:39:01 - Best way to keep in shape traveling.  0:51:00 -  Forgive? Or wait to settle the score? 0:55:11 -To Do List methods. 0:58:23 - Jiu Jitsu safety for a 55 year old female. 1:06:32 - Entering the military when over 30 years old. 1:12:45 - What to do when the boss doesn't make the connection between your work and the teams success? 1:14:08 - What to do for fun while not getting after it. 1:19:36 -  Does discipline inhibit creativity? 1:24:47 - Moving on VS Fighting on. 1:32:04 - How to increase confidence. 1:35:28 - Support.  2:06:14 - Closing Gratitude.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 128 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. It's been a little bit since we've done Q&A. So we're going to roll into some Q&A and going to try and answer more questions than normal with some shorter answers. Got a lot of Twitter questions, which necessitates shorter questions and thereby, in some cases, shorter answers. I've got some more detailed answers or detailed questions

stacked up for another Q&A But for today, we're just going to Try and get through some of these No guarantee on that But what's rock and roll Cool Jocko do you believe in overtraining Do you believe in overtraining Or is that an excuse people use

You have the CT Fletcher's triathletes Yourself etc who get after it daily You also find other elite athletes who believe in rest days who are by no means slackers what's your take you know what can you over train yes you can yeah you can definitely over train I will say this most people don't over train because you got to work pretty hard to over train yeah and if you over train you'll know it if you're paying attention to your performance because your performance will start to go down

that that's what's happening and I've said this before I've seen it with fighters that were preparing for a fight and they'd be over training and you'd watch their performance someone that's normally crushing let's say the fighter is normally crushing training partner a and all of a sudden training a partner a starts getting the better of the fighter and you know you know it's it's obvious the guy's overtrained so take a couple days off get some steak and get get get get reset because you're overtrained so yeah you can over train for sure now what I don't believe in well it's hard to overtrain I mean these guys are working hard when they're over trained

training but a lot of people just they they do you can use over training as an excuse what I do is I'm gonna do something every day I try and do something every day regardless like even if even if I feel like I'm complete like last night I got kind of beat up on the mat I know I'm pretty I'm pretty over trained right now but I'm also getting ready to go on a trip so I'm like okay well I just gonna still I squatted today and I'm still gonna train hard tonight and then I got a couple days where I'll be on the road I might take one of those days and just like do more of a stretch Mobility type scenario work I'll still get the blood flowing because I got to get the blood flowed God but you know maybe just like a hundred burpees and then a bunch of stretching

So I'll do a little recovery on the road, but yes you can overtrain it's hard to do it if your performance is going down you're overtraining Eat some steak take a break take a break eat some steak There you go bro. A hundred burpees kind of a lot I think 100 burpees yeah that's like there's less than 10 minutes put it this way I did oh then again all the times I did 100 burpees was after workout so then it feels a little different yeah it's yeah it's go do 100 burpees yeah that well the okay so over training though is like there's two or maybe even more different kinds of quote unquote

overtraining so there's like this like a for real like I don't know for I'm gonna miss use it a clinical version of overtraining which is like official like your blood you can recognize it in your blood and like certain things and certain whatever and there's all these symptoms there's not it's probably it's a thing it's an actual thing like you don't sleep and it's like your body essentially goes into this like negative kind of feedback or positive feedback loop where it's like but it just you're overtrained and it takes like a while to get out of it like a while you got to go through this process and then there's also like a condition like rhabdo so yeah rabdo that's a serious situation yeah that's essentially over training yes that's acute overtraining quickly yeah to usually to get hit with the rabdo yeah and then there's like this kind of gray area and you can get rabdo it I guess you can get I think I think you get rabdo in like certain muscle groups oh for a but anyways rabdo yeah that'll take you out I remember cake nuts was we're we're

rolling kick nuts he's the kind guy who's like just kind of down for anything not this kind of like fire plug type guy because he's super mellow but he's just for anything like the kind where if you're gonna go do something kind of weird he'll or whatever he'll always kind of just be there you know he always kind of says yes so anyway we're training and he you know when someone asks you to roll and you're done you're like oh no done maybe next time you know not cake nuts no he was like okay does and you can tell he was like tired he's like okay and then we're all done already and then you know how certain guys come in later whatever maybe one two guys

and another guy asked him to roll and we're like dang cake nuts still rolling and I think he's enrolled before us And he was just rolling and roll he might have did some other PT or whatever He is like man He's like man I'm pretty tired right now and then another guy asked him well let's roll and he's like okay and we're just laughing like it was kind of like a white belt Yeah, which means all these which means all these roles are not like Yeah relaxed scenarios there are actual level nine death battles. Yeah, he's going for it. Yeah, he's a purple belt by the way. Oh, that's cool. Yeah But yeah at the time I think he was white belt and yeah, so he goes in and he's like man I'm tired

I messed up and I was like, yeah, man, I dig it. You rolled a lot and come to find out he had rabdough. Yeah. But anyway, and then there's a great area over training where you're training a lot. Maybe your testosterone will be down from training a lot and may, you know, your nutrition may or may not be all that kind of thing. So your performance does go down. You feel a little bit more tired going into training, you know, if you're lifting or whatever, you can't lift is heavy and all this stuff. That's like a great, you're not overtrained, though.

You just, how you say, just eat a steak and a day, two days later. boom you're kind of back in the game you know kind of thing but I don't think that's a clinical technically over trained maybe you're not recovering day to day as much or something like this but cool in the last but all true things all real things hey your body's this machine man if you you know with all these different systems that the systems ain't work all ain't working right you may not get you know the performance that you what you want next question what would you pack for lunch if you had a typical nice

to five job yeah chicken steak beef jerky nuts I don't know a salad no no big shocker there yeah right we just don't eat the donuts in the office next question no tuna sandwich no tuna sandwich whole wheat bread tomato lettuce sprouts that's your go-to no that's what my mom would probably pack for me if she was packing my lunch but people weren't asking what your mom would back for you for lunch when you You were young. That wasn't the quest. I know, man.

I know what my mom would have packed for me when I was young? B.B. and J. All right. Cool. There it is. That's good. Bag of potato chips.

Oh, that's not good. Well, how's P.B. and J. Good, but potato chips are not good. I just meant it. It tastes good. Actually, but peanut butter is good. And, of course, what I would do is take the potato chips and put them on the. Oh, like a cycle.

Yeah. Yeah. Like a cycle. All good. So there you go. You guys know what to eat. Come on. It's rock and roll.

But here. I'm sure they're asking because that is kind of a thing. Like you have a 9 to 5 job, right? And especially if kind of the culture is like, okay, I go to work. And then boom, we all go to lunch. We all go to lunch. Me and my boys from work, we go to lunch, maybe a bar, maybe, you know, kind of thing.

But they want to break the cycle. So it's like, you know, it's kind of common knowledge. Like, okay, break the cycle. Bring your own lunch. Yeah, well, definitely bring you a lunch. Not only will you eat better, but you also won't spend $19 for lunch. Yeah, more than that.

You'll spend like $6 for lunch and it'll be better for you. So that's just yeah. Yeah. Okay, so maybe I should have made that more clear. Don't go out to the little corner store and whatever, the corner restaurant and spend $28 for crappy food that's going to make you fat and lazy. Yeah. Just pack your own food that costs $6 that's going to make you lean strong and smarter. Yeah.

But then therein comes this question. I think, I don't know, but I think so. Because let's say you've never done that before. Yeah, sounds crazy. But here's the thing. Well, there we are. How's this? So Greg Train, right?

You always eat stuff. and I don't think he ever like cooks at home or whatever right and me I'm kind of well I kind of do both whatever but I cook at home I go my go my go to little things right at home so we're talking and I was explained to him oh yeah oh yeah I'll just do this when I'm on the program I'll do this I'll make this and he's like dang you you actually do that I like cook and make stuff at home he's all surprised yeah like it was like this foreign thing for real okay I'll give you a go-to right now you want to talk go-toes you said tuna I have tin chicken

like I don't even know what my wife calls it tin chicken it comes in a can yeah because I don't really like fish sure and so I have chicken in a can open it up put some mayonnaise in there you're good food yeah yeah I'll do that too and you can get big big cans

of chicken oh yeah at Costco yeah that's a total go-to yeah yeah that's a good one a lot of sodium a lot of times in those ones you know if you care about those kinds of things but yeah there's a lot of chicken in there too You know what you can do with that too? If you have just a little bit more time,

the chicken, the one in the Kansas suite is good because it's so fast. Boom, boom, boom, boom, one speed. But if you, you can like kind of halfway boil some chicken, chop it up, saute it, right? With some stuff, right? And then chop it up even more. Boom, add the mayonnaise.

It's kind of the same deal. And you can do it that way. You don't need the canned chicken. Some people do not prefer canned chicken, though. That's cool. That's the thing. They can do other things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then that's the other thing I'm talking about.

Anyway, so, you know, as far as... How did your mom make chicken? I, you know. No, I'm just kidding. It was like a whole thing. You know how Greg, it was foreign to Greg to actually cook at home? It's foreign for people to actually make a lunch. Like, man, where do I start with this thing?

What do I do? And then usually, in fact, from what I understand anyway, usually it's kind of like, oh, all kind of sort of buy a lunch while I'm not at work, you know, maybe go to the store, buy a lunch. buy one of these box lunches or something and then bring it in. Is that even a thing? It's defeating the purpose. Yeah, it's a thing, but it's a defeating the purpose. You make the lunch like a sandwich or something like that. Yeah.

I'm telling you. Cool. It works. That's the direction you want to go. That's my opinion. Next question. You've mentioned being involved in real estate. Are you still involved?

How'd you get started? Whether flipping or renting, flipping, meaning buying, fixing up and selling houses. or renting or whatever, did you start with a lot of money or no? Is it something you are or were very hands-on with or contract work out? I've been real lucky with the whole real estate thing. Part of it's because I was in the military. And while the crash happened, I didn't even barely knew there was an economic crash going on. And so we're talking 2007, 2008 timeframe when the market crashed.

And I was in the military So I just kept doing what I was doing and bought some houses then and I would say yeah and then I've continued to do that So it's a good it's a good investment long term short term you can get screwed if you think you're gonna buy something right now Like for instance flipping a house that's cool you can make a lot of money but also you could buy right now buy a house for 200,000 dollars and think you're gonna fix it up and sell it for 300,000 dollars And then you buy it and the market crashes and now your house that you bought For $200,000 is only worth 150. So now you're out of luck. So the way I look at it, you know, just as a normal person, yeah, just try and buy a house.

That's number one. Try and buy a house to live in. And then try and pay it off as fast as you can. And then when you get it to a good point and you fix it up and you think you can rent it out, that's cool. Do you rent it out and buy another one? And keep doing that. One thing, one, you know, I'm no real estate expert.

I'm not running around. I'm not gonna put out a I'm not gonna put out a seminar on proper real estate investing But hey if you're gonna buy buy a house this is what this is something a little bit of advice if you're gonna buy a house Buy a house in the place where you want to live Where you want to live in it by the worst crappiest house But where you want it because the location you cannot change once you buy it you're stuck in that location and so if you can but you can always rebuild it and fix it up and make it nice so buy a house I made that mistake one time I bought a house about a bigger

house in a place where I didn't really like it but I thought oh the house is so nice and big and about it was like two weeks after I bought it this is actually the first house I ever bought two weeks after I bought it I was saying man I should have bought the other house I was looking at that was in the location I wanted it was a little bit smaller and not as nice so anyways buy it where you want it and then fix it up as you go along as far as the work doing the work all the work that I did on my houses I did myself and now I don't do it as much anymore because I don't have time but when I was in the Navy well you either have time where you have money right so when I

was in the Navy I had more time if you can believe that when I was in the Navy and I had no money so like all my houses when I bought them I couldn't afford them I could barely afford them oh yeah so you gotta be that's now I'm not advising that because if you you gotta be able to suck it up If things go sideways. You're going to be living on no money. Living lean. It's going to be a lean Christmas.

That's what my parents used to say to me. And that's what I said to my kids is going to be a lean Christmas. So you've got to be ready for the lean Christmas. Some people aren't ready for a lean Christmas. Some people cannot live. Some people cannot control their expenses if things go bad. And, you know, when I bought all my, just about every house I bought when I got into my house, it was like, okay, we made it.

Now we're going to starve. for two years or whatever trying to get everything squared away again so anyways you got to be smart but it definitely makes more sense to buy I shouldn't say this because there's some people that argue again that I think if you're going to live somewhere for a while buy a house instead of paying someone else's mortgage pay your own and try and pay it down as quick as you can that's it yeah it's my advice cool agree I guess I don't know I'm only less of an expert in that yeah like like here's an idea when you join the military is save up all your money don't spend it on booze which you're going to

you're gonna want to yeah because everyone's gonna be going out don't do that buy it buy it by whatever you can buy buy by a little condo buy something and then rent out the rooms that are in it and you sleep on the couch and you rent out the rooms and you're paying the mortgage as soon as you get that thing kind of stable boom going by another one yeah and that's that's how you can start doing it you said that it was easier for you in the milk because you were in the military why why Is it easier? My paycheck was coming no matter what.

It wasn't like I was going to get laid off. I mean, so many people got laid off during the, during the economic downturn. Right, right, yeah. They couldn't buy, they couldn't afford their mortgage payments anymore. And that was made the bad situation even worse. Yeah. So for me, it was like, I was just sitting there collecting my paycheck as normal. Didn't even really realize that the market was getting destroyed on all fronts.

Yeah. Because I was in the military. Yeah. And I wasn't sitting around staring at the stock market every day trying to figure out where it was going to go. Right. And do you get I mean you do right you get like benefits or loans easier whatever Yeah there's something called a VA loan yeah the which which is a good loan it's a good loan and you can only get one though So I mean I use that you can reset it and you use it on other houses but which I've done a couple times

But that's a cool like little jumping off point It's a really good jumping off point yeah it's a really good jumping off point for sure But the thing to be careful of is is speculating and thinking that that the prices of houses is always gonna go up, which is what everyone thought in 2006, 2007, 2008. Hey, don't worry the prices are just gonna keep going up. They're not. They're gonna come down sometimes.

Yeah. And so you can't bank on that. You can't bank on that. What you bank on is like, okay, I like this house. It's in a good location. I'm gonna live here for a long time. If I get stuck in it for a long time, I don't mind. I won't be mad.

And I can suffer. Okay, I can make my family suffer. Okay. Like, you know, when you can't take your family out for dinner for months on end, like, oh, no, sorry, we're not going out for dinner. No, we're not doing that. We're not buying that. Buying your kids used stuff for Christmas, which I did when I was in the military. Okay, you know, I'd love to get you something new, but guess what?

Sometimes Santa Claus brings some stuff. Yeah, some recycled goods. Some other kids didn't want it. That's fine. If you don't have that in you to suck it up and live lean. then you don't, then you need to make different decisions. Yeah, because a lot of times I know it was like this in like, oh, seven, six, maybe, where guys, like, I remember seeing people, they, like, a lot of people were just becoming loan officers.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, flipping houses, you know, kind of thing. And it's kind of, oh, they look at it as like this get rich quick kind of thing. And then they're like, yeah, let me just do it. It's easy. No experience necessary, all the stuff. And then they'll do it all uneducated, all like with none of it. What you just said none of that and well I got a buddy that he he was telling me the story because he was in the seal teams and

During that market boom during the housing market boom He bought like five houses yeah and he's so funny to hear him because he's a humble guy and he's telling tell him telling me the story is 10 years ago. He's telling me the story But he's like he's like yeah when I was doing this I thought everyone else was so stupid I was just the smartest guy in the world because what he was doing was getting these loans that he couldn't afford but at that time the the mortgage people were given loans to anybody yeah and he did it and he did it over and over and so he ended up with five houses and he said he remembered asking you another real estate guy like hey what if what if the housing prices go down yeah and

and you know the guys like that's not gonna happen and if it does even if it did happen you'd have six months to a year to offload all your properties and it'd be it's no problem then a month of that the market turned and he said 30 days later every one of his properties was upside down meaning he owed more than they were worth in 30 days and he ended up foreclosing on all those houses except for one he was lucky enough to keep the one that he lived in anyway so yeah don't you know be measured it's balanced don't just get crazy yeah yeah it's not like this get rich like the risks

I would take was the risk of okay if things don't go well it's gonna be be a lean Christmas and I'm okay with that if you're not okay with a lean and a lean and not going out for dinner and buying your kids use presents for Christmas if you're not okay with that you know what do you want for your birthday oh you want to you want something for your birthday cool we I'll get you something that resembles that but it might not be the act if you're not okay with that then then don't do it I never would gamble the fact that okay if this goes wrong we won't have anywhere to live that's a different that's a different level gamble

And I didn't gamble that. I didn't gamble like, okay, if I if the market goes sideways, I'm not going to have a place to live. I didn't gamble that if the market goes sideways, hey, it's going to be a lean Christmas. Yeah, yeah. And even you like by your own admission, you said, I'd, you know, I'd do it where I'd live lean kind of thing. Like you don't have to do it that way. Like you can be set way more, you know, padding for yourself. Yeah.

But no risk, no reward. But don't risk everything. Be smart. Be calculated. So yeah, buy something when you're young hang on to it rent it out buy something else hang on to it rent it out That's a good plan good long-term plan Gotcha Talk long-term plan long-term plan long term because the market goes up and down

Yeah, that's probably good advice most of the time anyway Long-term yeah think long-term think long-term That's what they said Down time do you ever watch mindless to I asked you this question before do you ever watch mindless TV? Do you ever watch mindless TV? or YouTube videos to decompress at the end of the day? Or is that laziness justifying wasted time? You know, quite frankly, I don't have a lot of free time to do that. Yeah.

Even if I was all fired up to watch a mindless video on YouTube. Yeah. So I guess, I guess not really. If I'm going to decompress, sometimes, I mean, sometimes my kids don't want to watch something and I'll sit there and watch an episode of whatever. Yeah. Watch an episode of the office or something. I'm just kind of mindless kind of funny

Yeah, yeah, that's all that makes sense same same deal I think I used to you know of course I watched my Hawaiian 5-0 that's a good one Kind of mindless I can tell you this I've watched zero I would if they put it on screen right now I wouldn't even know what it was Leif we went we were in the hotel gym the other day Leifes like check it out yeah points the TV I'm like what he's like that's Hawaii five oh I didn't know what he was talking about yeah yeah he took a picture of it He said he felt your presence.

Yeah. It's good. That would have fired me up. Best workout in the world right there. Y-5-0 workout. Check. Next question. I'm a high school football coach.

When you were in charge of training, at what point did you use mass punishment? Yeah, mass punishment. That's basically when the team's not working together. Gotcha. When the team's not working together, and that can take all kinds of forms, right? But if they're not working together, they're going to get punished together. If they're blaming each other, they're gonna get punished together. If they're not supporting each other, they're gonna get punished together.

One thing that I think with a gray area is, is if you have an individual that's making mistakes, having problems, not performing correctly. And then the team, whose responsibility is it to get that person up to speed? It's the team's responsibility. So if that person continually has a problem, it's like, hey, if the team doesn't take care of that problem, then the team has to pay. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense, man. Next question instilling and maintaining discipline in subjective career fields such as becoming a musician artist etc how do you face the obstacles thrown at you when you're subjected to people's opinions to make a living and not the standard do your job type type of lifestyles

This this this this question I'm not sure if I have an answer that people are gonna want to hear on this one I think first of all I originally thought like okay this is about discipline and you need discipline to get good at craft because that's for sure right

if you want to get good at music or art or whatever you gotta have the discipline to practice it but that's not really what the question's about the question's about how do you survive and how do you deal with it when people might not like what you make

and from my perspective I think you should do things like art and music because you really love doing them and not to make money and I think I think if you do those things truthfully from the heart Then it will strike a chord with other people in many many cases because human beings have Whatever human nature is all kind of the same and so if you do something then people will like it and then you will end up with people that like your work if if you're doing art or music or whatever to make money if that's your goal well then it's gonna be subjective and that's gonna be problematic because people might might not like what you're doing and so then what you do you

change it a little bit then you change it a little bit you change a little bit so I don't know to me it's like I would rather have another job that makes me money so I can get by so that I can do what I want artistically mm-hmm if that makes sense I actually had a guy the other day that was like saying you get up early but different people that are artistic they have to have a different path yeah because they you know if someone's gonna gonna make music or they're gonna they're gonna draw or paint or they're gonna write they need to have freedom yeah I was like well I've I'm kind of written some books and and I play music in a

band and we make rock and roll you know what I mean yes I didn't get all crazy with the guy I was like no I'm an artist too I just was like hey man you know if you want to do what you want man yeah I'm not here to help you out but that's kind of like like doing the podcast like the podcast isn't like oh well we need to do this so that we can get more people listen so that we can get more money it's no actually if you don't want to listen to this don't listen and we don't we're beholden to no one yeah no advertisers going to pull their advertising from us because we don't have any yeah yeah so we can do what we want yeah and not be worried about what other people think and I think when you do that here's the here's the here's the

the the where the thread ties back in I think if you're doing what you want and you're creating what you want from the heart truthfully when it gets out there people people people get into it next question how can I introduce my female boss to the extreme ownership without being offensive just sell it as improvement given the sense before give the book to her and tell her that you read this book and you really like it and you want to become a better leader and if she could read it and keep you in check if she sees you get out a line she you'd appreciate it and then just let her read it yeah then let the let the book work it was funny you guys were talking about this the muster I think late maybe

you said it maybe lay said I don't know but you're like I'll tell you how you don't do it Yeah, throw the book at her and say you need to square yourself away read this book, you know course You don't do that. That was fun Not good no next question Do you experience loneliness while at the top? It's lonely at the top You ever heard that expression? Yeah, yeah, yeah It's lonely at the top if so how did you handle it? You know actually not really and I guess from me from my perspective I look at the top being when I was in leadership position while I was a platoon commander or a task unit commander or the

commander of the the training detachment was it? Lonely at the top. Not really, man. I had friends and people that I hung out with and people that I would trust to talk and have conversations with and so that wasn't really a factor and then on top of that, I actually don't really mind being alone. It's not a big deal to me. I don't feel lonely when I'm by myself.

I'm fine. Yeah. Somebody asked me the other day, are you an introvert or an extrovert? Yeah. And I was like, well, no, no, no, but you have to be one, of course, because. Right, right. They said so. The test or whatever.

Yeah. And I said, I said, well, I don't care. I literally don't care. Well, like, if I'm in a room with a bunch of people, okay? If I'm in a room by myself, don't care. Whatever. Bring it. Yeah.

No big deal. Yeah. I think the extrovert, if I'm not mistaken, like, has a need. You know, like he's there, they're, like, attracted to, you know, other people being there. Yeah. So I guess that's what I said. I'm like, yeah, that's fine. Whatever.

Don't care. Yeah. Alone. So, so, yeah. You know, and I always, like I said, I had friends that I trusted and weren't, weren't like, were good enough friends that they weren't going to be trying to get their own gain out of being my friend, you know? People that were friends with me before I was in a leadership position and people that remained friends after. So, yeah, not that big of a deal to me. You know, I guess I'm lucky because, I mean, it must be a thing if everyone says it.

Yeah. And I guess maybe in, like, I'll tell you what, you. Do you work? I'll tell you this, this is, when you're at the top, when you're an owner or you're the leader, there's times where you have to do things by yourself. Yeah.

There's no doubt about that. And if you have a problem with that, you're gonna have a problem being in a leadership position. Because there's things that you have to do as a leader. You have to lead from the front. You have to work harder. You have to do extra. You should be working harder than everyone else

when you're in a leadership position of an organization. No doubt about it. And if you're not working harder, that's not good. And if you're if you're working harder there's gonna be times when you're not with anyone else and you have to be okay with that and I'm perfectly okay with that Don't care. Yeah and that's actually what when that's what that expression means it's lonely at the top Meaning like you're at the top because you're willing to in a general way of putting it behave or be a certain way that other people either can't Oh yeah, yeah, right so you're not gonna be able to relate from that perspective of you're definitely lonely at the top

Yeah, there's no one that's gonna sit there and do what I'm willing to do that Yeah to be there. Yeah. Like where are you at? I don't know haven't seen you, but I'm a period by myself and I'm gonna keep getting after it, right? That's kind of the way. Yeah. That's how people end up in those positions. Yeah. You don't end up in those positions. You don't get gifted positions. You don't just get end up. I shouldn't say never, but I didn't. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Had to grind it out. Yeah. Keep grinding it out. I think, yeah, you know what thinking about this question, I think this, what you said doesn't surprise me at all. Because as a human being, I think we all kind of. it maybe sometimes we do sometimes we don't admit that it is good and nice to have like someone there kind of supporting you in this way where where where you kind of feel like oh your feelings matter kind of thing yeah sounds super soft but it's like kind of deep down inside where like let's say you know how like you know the no no listen so you know the idea that like people just don't understand you know that concept okay people just don't get it They don't understand or whatever.

Yeah. So when you go to the top, that feeling is everyone, everywhere. The people just don't understand. This is the difference. I don't look at people in the negative light because they don't get it. I'm fine with it. Yeah. Like, I recognize that what I'm, I recognize that I'm not 100% normal.

Yeah. And I'm not, it's not. I don't look down. Right. I actually, I said this. Where did I just get interviewed? Oh, I got interviewed on a business insider by, and, and, and, and, He's like, well, do you always keep your discipline?

I was like, no, people get out of the seal teams and they get fat and they don't care anymore. And it's like, I don't, I don't care about that. I'm stoked. You know, that means they're stoked and eating breakfast in bed and they're hanging out with their kids. It's all good. I don't have a negative opinion of them. Just like, I don't have a negative opinion of someone that prioritizes things differently than me. It's fine.

Yeah. It's perfectly fine. Yeah. I get it. That's my point. And I'm okay. Yeah, I'm okay with that. And I'm not looking around going, wow, I wish I had more people to hang out with.

It's lonely up here. That's exactly what lonely at the time. Top is though. Yeah, yeah. And there's a there was when I was in my first seal platoon, we went to Guam and we got there, there was a guy and I don't even know who did it. I don't know where this, I don't know who this was, but there was a seal that left like a surf ski. You know what that is? It's like it's basically like a kayak that you sit on top of anyways and there's just a little a little note to himself. It said the higher the fewer. Yeah. Meaning like, hey, when you, because he was training hard for what I don't know who it was said the higher the fewer. So that's the same thing. Yeah, I'm an issue with it. Yeah, yeah, okay. Makes sense. Yeah, man.

So, like, you know, when you're in the office working, you know, that's what I tell kids, too, because that's a whole bullying thing is people, kids, kids get the feeling that being alone is bad. Yeah. Like, being alone is not a bad thing. You should be comfortable being alone. Yeah. Yeah.

And as a normal human being, it's, I think, for the most part, okay, being alone is one thing, but being alone with no choice is another. So, like, if you, if you, You know, you're at the office because you just grind all day. You're at the top, slowly at the top, whatever. You're in the office. You're working. Everyone else is out at, you know, Thanksgiving, whatever.

But you're working because you got to work. You're at the top. You're still the man, but you're working, you know, kind of thing. Some people, not you. Some people will be like, man, you know, like I'm in this top position, but I give up, like, all these. You definitely give up. Things, you know. And, yeah, exactly right.

But, again, you say you're okay with it. I get it. Of course. Yeah. And if it gets to a point where I'm not okay with it, then I adjust the balance. There you go. Okay. That's how you deal with it.

Yeah. Yeah. But you've got to be playing the long-term game. Yeah. Not the short-term gratification. Yeah. Check. Next question.

Would you ever consider being in the reboot of the office? You mentioned the office. That's why I mentioned it because I had read the questions earlier. Dang. So is it kind of in my head? Players. Do you like Dwight Shrewt the best shrewd is there right shrewd shrewd? Dwight Shrewd what's wrong with you shrewd Shrewd farms?

Yeah, the office is a great show and my kids are obsessed with the office for some reason So I watched the office sometimes with them there's a British version of the office And I actually prefer the British version of the office I guess because it's just my personality but the British version of the office is kind of depressing It's funny, but it's kind of depressing because the American one goes over the top The characters are over the top they're an extreme Yeah, so they're funny yeah, you go oh that's funny for for the boss to have that attitude It's a caricature yeah the British one is toned back just enough that it's more realistic

And it's it's a little bit depressing and that's what my kid I told my kids you gotta watch the British one the British one is much better And my kids watch them like I don't want to watch that it's depressing So yeah, that's great and Dwight Shrewd is an awesome character. Yes, because it kind of because everyone knows a Dwight Shrewt Who's Dwight Shrewd in office? He's a character in the office which one though I mean I've seen it and stuff, but I don't know the names of the guys. He's a guy with glasses Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so anyways, so you would be in it if they're like reboot of the office? So you would be in it if they're like reboot of the office hey jocco we want you to be what a do i trute or whoever i could be yeah what's the main guy's name michael right the character i mean yeah the boss yeah actually what's funny is when you watch that show you can see leadership issues yeah you know you see the glaring leadership

issues it's a good little good little lessons learned for leadership in there yeah sure so who do you who's your choice oh oh i'd have to be one of the people that are in there yeah yeah this is well reboot actually it would be cool is be a super Hardcore version of Dwight Shrewt. Like a legit. Super hardcore version of Dwight Shrewd. That'd be pretty funny. Well, isn't the whole, like, comic genius behind the character of Dwight Shrewd is that

he's so dorky? Like a Napoleon Dynamite type guy, right? Like, he's like, so dorky, but he's like, you know, I'd be a super hardcore Dwight Shrewt. So you could be super hardcore, but it'd be inverse. You'd be, you'd be just dorky. Like, you're, you know how Dwight Trude is trying to sell his hardcoreness, but he's just dorky?

If you take any character to the extreme, it can be funny. Yeah, so in your case. Actually, if you like when I'm on Twitter, I take my character. Sure. You know, where someone says, what's what's a good dessert steak, right? Just having fun. Yeah. Right.

You're like that through text message too, by the way, just so everyone knows. So yeah, so your character is hardcore, underlying hardcore. That's like the known thing. But then you're trying to be all, I don't know, like smart or something. Like, you know, like a studious. This is for the, the reboot, man. Yeah, yeah. I'm not worried about it.

No, no, man. That's how it is. Don't mess with a classic. Oh, huh. All right. Next question. Has seen kids in hell holes ever made parenting harder for you? Living or not living kids?

Not really. When I was overseas and you'd see kids in horrible situations, it just makes you appreciate the opportunity that you have to provide for your kids and to try and help those kids as much as you can. So I don't think it made parenting harder for me. Yeah. Yeah. Makes you appreciative of the opportunities that we have for sure.

Yeah. I feel like I know that question where, yeah, when if I see like kids and hell holes, it, it doesn't make it harder, but it makes it like you're more sensitive, you know, like stuff just affects you more with your kids. I don't know. In my experience, that's what happens. Because you kind of can't You can be that way Like it messes you up when you see like Like my wife will read like

Trafficking like human trafficking Articles and stuff And you see You want to be pictures or video whatever And so it kind of leaves a mark in your brain So I don't know maybe you're just playing Everyday kind of stuff And you see your kid and you're like

Dang you can't help but remember Those pictures and do a comparison Oh yeah And well that's that'll make you paranoid too In a good way Yeah yeah You gotta be careful with your kids There's evil people out there

For sure next question how do you reduce your bosses anxiety levels do a really good job you know what I mean you get at the power curve do a really good job keep him informed and kick ass and that's how you relieve your boss's anxiety step up yeah that's that's good advice for your wife to by the way relieving your wife's anxiety yeah for sure take lead right not lead like oh you know call all the shots necessarily but You know, if you guys are trying to figure out where to go for dinner, boom. Call it. Call it, man.

Don't be like, oh, whatever you want. Don't do that. Don't create the leadership void. Don't do that. Check. I learned that from you, by the way. Next question. Trying to keep in shape while traveling long term and not use not having gym access as an excuse for letting my standard slip.

Best pieces of kit training styles for maintaining conditioning and Adding mass while living out of the backpack get rings yeah get rings get gymnastics Wood gymnastic rings why would because plastic or metal will make you you get sweaty and slip and you have to bring a ton of chalk you need a little bit of chalk with wood rings it's a little bit of absorbent there's the best thing to grab onto so yeah get wood gymnastic rings you can carry him anywhere and then just do a bunch of calisthenics I mean come on man just I don't know adding mass how do you add mass cancel it oh you gotta get creative Yeah, you gotta get creative, but it's, do you know, instead of doing squats, you know, air squats, do jump squats.

So you're doing something dynamic. Do you do pliometrics. Yeah, do one-legged pistols. Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's the, I got to do that right now. Like, I can't.

You can't lift. You can't lift. You can't lift. In my, this is called the on the bone. So they drilled a hole and they attach the tendon not in the hole. They go, they push the tendon through the hole. They put an anchor at the end of it. Boom.

Anyway, a lot of swelling in the forearm. You can't grab nothing. You can't grab anything and have weight, you know. So calisthenics, you got to kind of make your wrist in a position in a like a comfortable position and you can do calisthenics. Anyway, point there is I'm in that boat where lifting weights is not an option at this very moment for me. So you got to kind of get creative. So like a push-up, you can make the push-ups harder if you put your feet up

And the higher you put your feet, you know, the harder it becomes. Or you do like a one-arm push-up situation. And then you can do like a decline, like, you know, you go on a counter first, right? Okay, how many of these one-arm push-ups? You can do more than 20. Okay, maybe you go for like a chair or something like this, something shorter. Boom, you can do more than 20 of those. Okay, now I can go to the ground.

See what I'm saying? And then you can go raise your feet up as time goes on. Boom, there you go. Good for, and actually body weight through space is the best way to be. build size in your muscles there as far as like exercises go it's good information it is better than deadlifting and squatting well okay so that deadlifting squatting that's gonna be it's gonna depend on the way but think about this deadlifting and squating is moving your body through space so do an air squat

you're moving your body through space is as opposed to I meant squatting with weight right I'm talking back squat Right, right, right. Front squat. Yeah. Getting fucking heavy with fucking squats, yeah. But again, like I said, moving your body through space are the best exercises for mass. What is not moving your body through space?

Like, okay, a squat compared to a leg press. So if you go a leg press. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I haven't even, those aren't even in my mind. Those aren't even in my mind. I know, bro, but this guy asking the question, it might be. Well, I'm trying to help him out. I don't want to help you out.

You got the whole exercise thing figured out. I get it. You know, you're an expert in your boring workouts. We'll talk about that later. Nonetheless, body weights or body, moving your body through space is the best exercise. The problem is or tends to be that your body has a fixed amount of weight more or less. So you can't adjust the weight. And usually you can move your body through space a bunch of times.

If you do air squats, you can do a bunch of air squats. So it doesn't provide the quote unquote tension that you need to be. build mass. That's why you go one at a time, create more tension on your muscles while still moving your body through space, which could wind up to be a better exercise for you. That's what I'm saying. That's good advice. Whatever, Brad, don't act like it's crazy that I'm saying this stuff. That's the question. You really threw me for a loop with this whole moving your body through space thing. Yeah, that's additional information. Yeah, I just have no idea what that. I kind of get it now. Yeah, but you were saying it as if it was some unknown.

It is unknown. Moving your body through space. Yeah, okay. So you know what a hammer strength machine is? Yes. Okay. So it's all, you know, it's like a, I don't know, like a lever kind of thing technically. It's like, you know, you put some plates on it, you push it.

There's no pulley or nothing, but, you know. You're not moving your body through space. You're not moving your body through space. So I'm kind of creating the spectrum here. So just consider that. Then it's kind of far down. There's other movement or things that are. further down the spectrum, but that's fixed movement.

There's no balance required. There's no whatever. It's just like you're just pushing late. It's isolation movements, right? Yeah, plane. The plane is isolated, all this stuff. The plane of movement. Cool.

Right? So that will have less neuromuscular activity when you push it, even if you're pushing heavy weights, than something like graduate to like a barbell bench press, right? For example. But even that, even though you do have to balance. So that's a big step up. But even that,

you don't have to balance in certain planes certain planes of movement you don't have to balance like the what do you call this one lateral whatever the lateral movement in a barbell bench press which is the bar you don't have to balance it's fixed but front and back or forward and forward and back whatever you do have to balance so you know still good now go to dumbbells now you have 360 degree plane of movement that you have to balance more neuromuscular activity so dumbbells are better than barbells in that way, normal muscular activity. And you can adjust the weight.

So you can do things where you can only do three reps. You can do things you can do 20 reps if you want. So boom, great exercise. Can't really do it in a hotel room, but just saying, generally speaking, good exercise. But now you go, the tip top, the best exercise for neuromuscular activity would be push-ups. Because same thing, you're moving your body through space.

You're not balancing weight. What about push-ups on rings? Oh, boom, okay. Even better. Now you're going like creative, which is going to like creative, which is good. That's like beyond the spectrum, which is good. Totally good. But so, yeah, keep these things in mind, I think, when you do a thing.

So if you can add or when you do a workout. So when you, if you can add weight, that's the challenge. If you can add weight to these moving your body through space exercises, that's when you get it again. Well, I think now I'm just going to take this one step further. Do it. Because you don't necessarily have to add weight. As you stated earlier, you can adjust how you're moving your body. through space and then you can get the you can get additional and I'll say what really makes

this obvious is if you do any gymnastics training if you do a pull up that's hard if you do a tuck pull up where your knees are pulled up that's even harder if you do a L sit pull up where your knees are up but your feet are pointed straight forward that's even harder each one of those things is a little bit harder same thing with a dip like Just a regular dip if you let your feet hang it's easier if you bring it up to a tuck It's a little harder if you bring it up to an L it's even harder So you can keep doing these things and there's squats that you can do I mean just doing pistols alone That's a lot harder some people can't even do pistols yeah and so you might have to do an assisted pistol to start off

Yeah, so yeah you can make it happen Pistols got a hard man especially if you've never done it before Pistols hard because the balance yeah there's a balance back and side to side balance hard and sixty degree plane of balancing that's what this whole thing's about moving your body through space is that what it is yeah moving your body face that's where'd you read that old school Bulgarian philosophy workout program called this is the old school never deviated from it much the core really good too by the way it's called serious growth is what it's called weird

Right, like that's such a lame name, but man, I was in high school and I was like, all right, you know, you read all these things, right? And, you know, in the back of the, you know, muscle magazine or whatever in the little article. I remember all the Bulgarian. It was kind of like, that was a big thing. No kidding. Well, yeah, because the Bulgarians were doing really good at weightlifting. Yeah. At the time.

No one knew. It was weird. And these guys were like, yeah, five weeks or four weeks, my bench went up to this. You know, when you're in high school, bench, heck yeah, I'll get that or whatever. So you get the program and this book. It's just called serious growth and it explains everything really in detail too. I was like dang this is pretty good Real plain English too not all there's real signs or whatever and Maybe there's so and they were doing keto too by the way. Yeah, that's where I learned about you know this is 90 That's crazy. It's been around for a long time

Well the Atkins book came out in the 60s or 70s. Yeah, that's way different though It's not it's not way different. Yeah, it's different. It's different. It's not way different. Yeah, this way this guy's been around for a long time Yeah, Dr. Mario or Maro de Pasqual. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's who was the keto guy. And again, back in 94. He's still around. Yeah, no kidding.

So, yeah, so we did this thing, we get this book, and it's like laying it out. And, you know, I'm down. I'm 15, 16 years old. I'm down to lift five days a week. Let's do this. And bro, we did it and you eat good, not like crazy. I didn't do the keto, never did.

But, you know, they have it as an option. And so, we do it. We did it or whatever, and it was weird since, I gained like 20 pounds. And we just kept doing it. So, you know, you play football, you can't really gain that. There's also this whole thing that you're 15 and your body's just filled with testosterone. You were going to gain 16 pounds anyways, maybe 13 pounds.

I'll tell you this right now. I was talking to Jody Minnick about this briefly too. I'll tell you this right now. If even at 40, you go on this thing, it depends on how train. Oh, you'll definitely. No doubt. go in this type of work and I'm not even like selling this workout or nothing like that I'm saying this little people will think

and think you know what though okay people will think you're on steroids if you do this workout for like six weeks that's it six weeks they'll think you're on steroids straight up like my whole life when I'd like go on a like a six week thing they're all he's on steroids obviously he's on certain it's no steroids you don't even have to take supplements

that's a weird thing but here let me say this though now that I'm thinking of it or about it when I'm a grown adult most programs if you actually do the whole program. Exactly. It works. It works really good. That's the thing.

People just don't do the workout. It's like, oh, what do you need to do? Lift heavy weights a lot. Eat good and rest good. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you'll get gains. And let's face it, it's not as, like if someone says, oh, yeah, it's easy. Here's the thing.

It's not easy. This is why it's not easy. It's not just the workout. That's why you have to do the workout. Then you have to eat enough. of the right things too, by the way. And then you have to rest enough. That's basically you have to change your whole life.

So if you're like, hey, it's easy. Just change your whole life. It's not easy. No. So, and not that I'm not saying that that's a good excuse or anything, but I'm just saying it's not quote unquote easy. But yeah, there it is. Check.

Do diet exercise, eat good, workout good, and rest good. You'd be good. Hotel or gym. Easy as that. Actually, here's what you can do. Here's what I do when I go to the muster or wherever. If I'm there for like a week, like the last muster, all like go on Google Maps and find like all the gyms and be like all right I'm gonna

that's kind of the commitment obviously you know that's an interest that's your commitment like you want to stay in shape add mass as you say conditioning adding mass whatever look for the gym near your house commit to pay that gym fees like what 10 bucks or something like that and boom that's the commitment right do that's what I do same thing with jiu jitsu by the way next question or wait to settle the score. You know what? This is kind of a question that. Okay, so forgive.

If you can forgive people, forgive it. That's cool. Now here's the thing. You got that little thing eating in the back of your mind because you want to settle the score. I know I do. So you really don't forgive. I'd love to tell you like, hey, just forgive and forget, right?

But it's hard to do that sometimes, especially if all certain situations merit, you know, a little bit. It's hard to make that happen a little something a little something extra special but this is what's interesting Forgiving someone is actually a form of settling the score If you can think about this so for me the best revenge you can take on someone is Success right is ignoring them and the best revenge is not even letting them know That you even think about them anymore. Yeah, that's the

best revenge in my mind so you forgive them and you just move on I think that's the best thing to do forgive them move on and go kick ass in the world and the little part of your brain that really wants to take revenge you'll be taking the best possible revenge you can you'll be doing it in the best possible way and it'll be the best for you as a human being yeah so that's what you do yeah yeah I forgive you and then you go kick ass yeah forgiving someone for real like for real for real forgiving them is really hard even if you do take the high road behavior wise on the inside it's like you kind of don't there's this guy high school and actually wasn't even high school

was you're still holding high school grudges no uh well i yeah i guess technically yeah it's still there like if there was like if you were to see i don't know something good that i did like now and be like oh man he's doing good that would give me satisfaction right now so yeah technically yeah it's still there a little something in you but if it's to forgive someone fully to be to a point where oh yeah if you saw that I was doing great now or something like that and that wouldn't move me either way to get to that point is super hard so I think just like how you said like the behavior that you want to kind of you want to enact yeah is um is yeah don't let it bother you and here's the thing well with don't not letting it not not Not letting you bother you don't let it affect you at all like no factor like you almost like you didn't even notice kind of thing Okay, so that's hard to do so I didn't see you were there Yes, if you can do that's the best thing to do that off

Brow that's the worst for the other person That's what I'm saying so like you ever you ever had like uh Exactly what I'm saying but bro get this where like Did I say you know you think to yourself dang did I say something to piss that guy off? Whoever it is whatever I don't know somebody or that girl or whatever Shoot did I say something are they offended Whatever and you just don't quite know but it's not big enough to bring up so you can't bring it up and get that satisfaction of knowing, you know But if they don't just don't say anything let's say they were offended

Say they don't even like you but they just don't don't like talk to you rather than if they ignore you Or don't acknowledge that you said something or something like that that's way that bothers you way more than them like cussing you out or something or yelling at you or like I'm super mad at you and them telling you they're mad at you is way more like like satisfying yeah then them not if you just ghost them forgive them and move on yeah but if you ghost them you can't overly ghost like you can't overly ignore just be like hey yeah like literally yeah yeah oh yeah it's good to see you i haven't seen you know that's why everything's going good for you if so if you're mad at someone and they text you like hey you know oh and if you give them like one word answers or you don't text them back that messes with them way worse than you saying yes i'm mad at you and you hurt me and you piss me off whatever playing all these games over there don't bro i learned it

for me bro check nonetheless good advice right there good advice next question when you you've crushed your daily to-do list do you then take the time to relax or do you attack the next day's list is that against prioritize and execute since the mission is done for the day you know just do more just keep going even if it's on the next day keep going do more if you have extra time do whatever you can do to stay ahead and I do that pretty much until I'm brain dead and I work I can definitely work myself until I'm brain dead like I can get to a point where I'm reading or I'm writing and it's just it's just it's just done I'm done and so I just have to stop and take a break and then I'll go do

something mindless for a while you know so you know if you got stuff to do keep hammering until you can't hammer anymore and then say oh okay you know what I need a little breather and then take a little breather and then get back to it right now I could work 24 hours a day 24 hours a day yeah seven days a week 365 days a year and and I wouldn't be able to get done things I'm trying to get done So it's not like I'm sitting there going oh cool I got a break no yeah I can save that all I's got is more stuff to do Got you got things to do so not a bunch of boys he call it breaks and it relaxing that's not a not a lot of that happening right now Now, you go surfing. Is that a break?

Kind of. It's like a big break. Well, it's kind of part of the process. It's like if you're doing five sets of 10 on the bench, what are you going to do? One set of 50? No, you do five sets of 10. So, for a set of 10, what do you do? You got a rest, got to recover.

That's what surfing is. It's the rest between sets. That's all that is. Right. There you go. It's part of the process. Check. But what would you recommend for someone who's like a normal person?

Do what you can knock it out build up extra free time if you need a break take a break Gotcha that's pretty crazy right? No what I'm saying is like do what you can if you need a break take a break if you need a little relaxation takes some relaxation You don't waste your time though see people people do relaxing but they do it they don't even do it good They even feel relaxed when they get done it's not productive relaxing. Yeah they're they just what they did is they did something stupid for an hour They watched YouTube videos for an hour Did that help you? No Go outside go for a run do some burpees go surfing go do some jiu-jitsu

Play with your kids whatever do something that actually has some value. Yeah, the real value But so what about you know Pahana and we're going to the bar? Yeah, that's not great, but sometimes you know Don't get too hammered because you're hung over the next day you can't account you know you can't function as good Boom can't your output your productivity goes down next day. better tell everyone what powhanna means because not everyone knows like oh paohana I guess technically it means done with what you're doing power means done Hana means like do yeah but yeah paohana finishing what you're doing tip it's referred to when you're finished with work yeah that's the way I always used it

yeah yeah yeah yeah you know whatever it's like Miller time you know for sure kind of the same thing a little bit next question would you recommend jiu jitsu for 55 year old female with no former martial arts background is the risk for injury too high. Yeah, answered this one a bunch of times. Hey, yes, you should do jiu-jitsu. Pick good training partners. Get your ego out of the picture and go very slow and learn the techniques and you'll get something out of it. Yeah. Watch out for sparring, rolling live. You need to be really careful and you need to really select good training partners that are very much more experienced than you are. Don't roll with white belts if you're a 55. Don't even roll with. blue belts if you can help it as a 55 year old unless they're small and smart

just be careful but yeah it's a great train it's a great thing what about um because I actually got asked this online and I was actually through DMs like going through a girl last name is Taylor if I'm not mistaken I got her first name anyway she's black belt and she uh you know when it comes to girls rolling just even just regular girls or whatever let's face it I mean in training they do have a bigger kind of kind of obstacle in that way where they're at they are at a higher risk of injury more times because everyone if they're rolling with the guys I mean everyone chances are everyone's bigger than them and they might be going hard and they you know some guys especially early on they

don't realize that dang they're putting a lot of strength and you know all the stuff into these moves and you can make it little bit more interesting yeah i'm not going hard yeah they don't even realize they're completely exhausted yeah i am relaxed yeah Exactly Where they do have this obstacle Even 55 year old Lady or even just an older person in general They do have that added obstacle

Where yeah you do have to kind of So what's the question? Yeah The question is like what do those people do? Yeah same deal Yeah no they they have to be more extremely cautious They have to take more caution Oh okay you're 100% right what you're saying is right You do and what I just said you don't want to go with a psycho white belt you don't even want to go with a psycho white belt you don't even want to go with any white belt right yeah because they're they're they're they don't know what they're

doing so go with someone that's a purple belt someone that's relaxed there they're the 55 year old woman is gonna be on a different pace down the path gonna be on the path but she's at a different pace yeah and and the stress is to I would focus on the the learning of the technique a lot more you know I spend a lot more time drilling and learning the technique and then occasionally with your black belt instructor with your brown belt instructor with your brown belt instructor with some of the high level purple belt smart people you do a nice little role with them you have some fun you see what works what doesn't work you learn a

little bit more take that path take that pace down the path right right don't go in there with a big ego and you know what happens every time like if you introduce jujitsu to people they think that they have the solution to something that you teach right and it's like no you don't actually have the solution you Don't know anything So just don't do that Yeah, because that the muster And you know, we teach Jiu-Jitsu

For the first time to a bunch of people And we were teaching the umpah, right? The umpah escape The Oonpa escape Where you roll the person over from them out And this one guy You know, he's like, I'm teaching a much of being This one guy is like, look, this doesn't work

And he's got his weight all the way In the other side He's got his leg up I remember that Yeah, yeah And I'm like, yeah, there's another move You just do this, Popup And now you're in the guard

And, but like in his mind, like, Jiu-Jitsu just doesn't, it doesn't work. I don't know what this crap is that Jocko's all into, but obviously it doesn't work. It's like, no, actually, it works. So you don't uncover the magic of Jiu-Jitsu in one moment. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Oh, actually, you know what? I do remember the question. So, you know, like, 55-year-old women, roll with, you know, high-level people, people that you trust, people who have, like, a lot of control over the, over the situation. What about like let's say I I'm a 55 year old woman I have a twin sister she's 55

We're in the same shape kind of thing just normal people and can we roll you better Be careful you better calm down you better knock it competitive You better relax yeah now one thing that's good is I would say yes actually Yeah, I would say yes think you know why because you're around equivalent strength your around equivalent knowledge You still got to be careful yeah I would prefer you go a couple six months before before you jump in and do a death match with your twin sister at age 55. Yeah.

I know you've been competing against each other. So just try and relax. You know, I used to say Jade trying to kill you. You're like, dude, come on. When Jade used to train. No, sorry. Well, yeah, yeah, he'd try. Sure.

He could try. No, I know. That's what I'm saying. He'd try it. It's funny. Even from birth, Jade was a little bit bigger than me. Not anymore. No, no, no.

And I think it's literally a direct result of it of always being a little bit. You had a Napoleon complex. Yeah, like a little small mini micro a bit. Bigger than this dude. And you know when that happened? He was bigger than me through high school. Oh, really?

Through, even through college. He was bigger than me until we were done kind of with college. And I was like, I'm just going to lift. And I ballooned up to like almost 250. Dang. Two 50. And then he was like, were you athletic when you were 250? Yeah.

Surprisingly, yeah. Why would you not go back up there again? I wasn't as athletic. Oh, as a, you know, a gross. adult it doesn't make sense for me I'm not tall I don't know this is my opinion and plus in a whole way lean to 50 not as lean as I am now no I wouldn't call myself lean or like cut but I wasn't fat though that's the thing I even have this old picture of me and my friend Scotty Lewis he's a cop now by the way

he uh we were like because he would lift it he was my lifting partner oh yeah big time and um and we were like this is when I was like 245 he was like maybe 2 30 or something like that and yeah it was big but I was like that was like surprisingly defined though I got up to 250 one time oh that's huge and then I went and ran a four mile run and I did not feel good

yeah and I was like okay I'm done with this yes I mean I was pumped to be 250 just because you know you're 250 but I did a four mile run and I was like good God this is horrible I can't do my job and that's the answer and that's the answer why you don't want to be 250 and even

being like that's a huge amount of weight even health wise especially as you get older whatever like to be just rolling around 250 you know yeah yeah and if you can't do a four mile right if you can't do i probably thinking back like even a one mile run would have been kind of kind of kind of more difficult that would have liked at 250 that's not a good sign yeah nonetheless that's uh that's how it went uh so yeah so yeah the point there being uh i got bigger than than jade boom and with that little micro napoleon complex it like I was more like

aggressive or am even still not like more like I'll take up more aggressive like I started juxto he didn't even consider judic I started jujitsu echo Charles the aggressive one more aggressive

more guy I'm not that's funny because I don't think of it that way you think jade's more aggressive maybe like to get in like a debate or something yeah he's definitely aggressive yeah 100% but but yeah physical activity I probably start to

I was like before jade started I was up I was like well into purple belt yeah for jay even started and that's a big gap so yeah jake can try to kill me he will not kill me just simply won't it's almost impossible it's pretty much impossible technically impossible it's there's a more uh so if you go a percentage right chance of him ever beating me the percent of the percent of the percent chance of him beating me is closer to zero than it is one True that's how it is right now unless he went on the complete war path Oh what do you mean if he trained just tried training all the time well yeah that goes for everybody Yeah, currently that's how it is. Oh yeah so he's zero person he's off the path doesn't matter he can get on the path

Still check zero percent chance next question I'd like to hear your thoughts on people entering the military in their 30s I'm sure you saw it how'd they fair entering the military at an older age is fine you got maturity you got experience you got intelligence and so that's good you're gonna bring a lot to the table however you also have maturity experience and intelligence so the only downfall of it is you got to do some dumb stuff when you're in the military and and and if you're older and you see how dumb some of the stuff that you're doing is it's gonna be harder for you to do it you're gonna have a little bit of a negative attitude on if you allow yourself it'd be easy to I should say that if

you allow yourself it be easy to develop a negative attitude about that stuff I joined when I was 18 years old I didn't care you want me to do whatever you want me to do I'll do it I didn't see the stupidity in a lot of the stuff and so I think that's the only drawback is you'll just be looking at some of the stuff that you do in the military thinking oh I this is a much more efficient way to do this and if you let that get to you it's gonna be problematic So going there with an open mind do the crap the the The tedious and kind of mindless stuff that you got to do and push through that and then you'll get to a position of leadership and you can do your best to mitigate that and take care of other soldiers sailors air and Marines while you're out there serving the country. So yeah, it's awesome.

It's great. You'll be a big benefit. Do you think that even that, how you're saying like, okay, you'll, you kind of look at things in more of an adult way kind of thing where it's like, oh, there's more efficient way to do something. Do you think that that mindset would kind of keep you from, you know, being more cohesive to with other people? If you allow it to, it definitely will.

If you, if you, that's why I said, you have to allow it. If you just go, look, this is the way it is right now. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a E1 in the military. They're telling me to do this thing. It doesn't make any sense right now. I'm going to do it to the best of my ability and move forward. If you say, oh, this is stupid and you spread the negativity of the other guys and why are we doing this?

Yeah, it's going to be problematic. So go in there, have a good attitude. You can promote really quickly if you're squared away like that, you know, so you got a good opportunity out of you. I think it's totally good to go. What about even like socially, you know, like kind of like, oh, if you see them. Think about it. You're 30. These kids are 18. You've been out in the world. You've had a job. You probably have a house. You might have kids. These kids are I was out of high school like you know, you're not there yet. You're and you think about

What you know when you're that age compared to what when you're 30. Yeah, you know my big thing is I tell my kids all the time, you know Or like my oldest daughter who's in college and whatnot and I'm always like when I was your age I was my first seal up to do you know like You just can't even compete. You know? with what I was doing with the responsibility that I had when I was 18 years old, you know, all that stuff. But the truth is, when you're 18, you're not as mature as you are when you're 30. So, yeah, there'll be a social disconnect. Like, I went to college when I was, I think it was 28 or 29 or 30.

And so, yeah, I was around kids that were 18, 19 years old. And I realized very quickly that, you know, you'd meet some mature kids, but a lot of kids were just, they were just young, you know? I mean, there's not a big difference between 18 and 15 for some. people right yeah it's true you think about what you were doing your 15 years old 16 years old like I joined the military so luckily I had some kind of structure imposed upon me yeah but you think about the kind of stuff that you can do when you're 18 years old people do dumb dumb dumb stuff yeah you you look back and you

you're happy that you made it yeah yes sir because you do dumb's dumb stuff yeah you know we're talking about wasting your time on YouTube videos go waste your time on YouTube like just put in like you know teenagers doing dumb stuff and you'll you'll say wow and in 50% of the stuff that you see you'll recognize yeah I remember that so yeah don't do dumb stuff and and as a 30 year old in the military you can help give some of that guidance to people so I think it's cool go for man and kind of of vice versa right because like if you're the 18 year old 19 year old guy there's like you know 100 well however many other 18 19 year old guys you guys you guys are all cruising then

And here comes this 30 year old, you know, all level-headed. Bro, I can't relate to this guy. This guy's kind of weird. The other thing is when you're 18, you don't even know how much those 30-year-olds know. You just think that they're, you actually think you know more than that. You're looking at them like they're idiot. It's like, why would you not, you know, swing off this rope and see if you can get through the window on the third floor? Why would you not do that?

Yeah, exactly. So that's something I would be, I would brace yourself for that too. Remember the perspective of an 18-year-old and they're not looking. at you going gosh I'd really like to learn a lot yeah yeah they're looking at you like I can't believe you joined the military what's wrong with you yeah old man yeah old man there is there were guys who actually they came from the military and still eligible right for for football in college and one guy was 26 one guy was 27 and let's think let's face it 26 27 that's you know that's you're physically like you're solid still and we looked at them

like man these are like these are old school guys these are like oh well be careful with them on practice yeah like Literally it was like I felt like that for one of the guys anyway and then you go to class right and you get these people who you know They don't go to college right after high school. They go you know later on when in my opinion when most of us should go when you know why you're going and so this one lady was in my class She was maybe 35 I don't know maybe 36 whatever Did you look at you with disgust all day long? No, she didn't look at me at all. Oh wow she's freaking like to do on her program Yeah, yeah like I was no factor in her life Yeah good for what she was doing. Yeah literally the correct way to do it she sat up front

Like a weirdo. You know and she's asking questions Protocol literally and that's really the way to go when you think about it You don't even have to think about that's the way to go but nonetheless she's like this but she's obviously 30-something years old and it just didn't compute to me You know like I was like you just didn't get it Didn't get it exactly the most important thing well not almost but that's a really key part of this conversation is When you're eight imagine as a 30-year-old when you're looking at that 18-year-old they don't see They don't understand anything

So check No, sir, we don't. One year, 18. Next question. You've said everyone will know if you're the one taking ownership and leading the team in spite of having a poor leader

or someone who does everything for their own glory. But what do you do? If your boss's boss doesn't make the connection between your work and the team's success. Good. Good. You know what I do? Keep working hard.

That's awesome. Keep making your boss look good. I recommend that you put your ego in check because you want to get that credit for for what for what's happening You're looking for that glory and they're there the boss is doing it for glory well guess what that's making you mad because you want some of that glory You know what it'll come the two things about this are number one let them have it make them look great You're worried that the boss's boss doesn't get it it will come in due course be patient Work hard give your boss the credit don't worry about it and in do course it'll come you you you can't fool the boss the boss's boss won't get fooled

forever yeah they won't get fooled forever and you know what worst case scenario you get your bosses you get your boss promoted cool now he trusts you you worked hard for him you did good he put you can take his role it's okay okay this is very common this is no strange question yeah next wish what do you do for fun when you're not getting after it. That's kind of a weird question, right? Why? Because you're always getting after it? Well, because

is surfing getting after it? Yeah, it is. Actually, is J-Jitsu getting after it? Yeah, it is getting after it. Yeah, it is getting after it. Well, yes it is. Is it rock and roll band getting after it? Yes, it is. Okay, I guess. I'm hanging with my kids. Is that getting after it? Sometimes. Kind of. It depends what we're doing. Guess what we're doing, J-Jitsu. So, yeah, I don't know. What I do for fun where I'm not getting after it? Just, Stuff that I enjoy doing like you said earlier like it doesn't take discipline to go and do Jiu Jitsu if Jiu Jitsu is really fun for you and Jiu Jitsu is definitely fun for me

Yeah, I would say 70% of the time I'm I'm like super stoked to be going and roll 30% of the time. I don't feel like it. I go anyways Or I should say 28% of the time Sure, there's like 2% of the time where I recognize oh, I'm gonna get hurt today because I'm beat up or I'm tired or whatever it's like okay, you know what? I maybe I won't train today. Yeah. Or, and even on those days,

sometimes I'll come in and I'll just do a light roll. Yeah. Just to make sure, put myself a little discipline check. So yeah. I don't know people. That's kind of the thing where,

I guess from other people's perspective, if they're thinking, Jiu-Jitsu's not fun, and working out's not fun, and practicing an instrument's not fun, well, then I'm not ever having any fun. Yeah. But actually, the opposite is true.

All those things are fun for me, so I'm having fun all the time. There you go. Yeah, it kind of, kind of goes in line with that other question, the mindless, like, do you ever do mindless stuff? So maybe that's kind of the question. Yard work. Oh, yeah. Yard work.

Cleaning the garage, stuff like that. But, you know what, actually, you know what it is? Now that I think of it, it's the question could be, could be. Do you, what do you do fun meaning? What do you do like mindless stuff that's not technically productive? So you say surfing. Oh. I mean surfing is not technically productive I don't know though so it's one of those things

but you know what you feel good when you get out of the water I mean you get a little workout actually it is because you get better at surfing yeah so it is kind of product but there's no there's no productivity to surfing there's no there's no ultimate goal other than doing it itself yeah same thing with guitar but you're getting better at guitar true so like even like yard work for example it's like sure that's much yard looks better yeah that's productive you're improving it's productive it's so what you're asking me What do I do that's completely unproductive? Unproductive, yeah.

I don't know. Right now there's not a lot of things. Hardest question of the world, man. There's not a lot of things right now that I'm doing that aren't somehow productive. Yeah. I think. But anyways, because technically... They're all fun, though, because that was the actual question.

You're just trying to frame me. You're trying to frame me. Presuming that you, you know, because watching YouTube, back to the other question, watching YouTube videos of like, you ever, like, trade, go on YouTube. Actually, don't do it. But if you do do it, do this. go, in the search, in YouTube, go drunk girl fails. Okay.

That's what it's called drunk girl fails. Okay, so there's probably maybe 500,000 to 10 million of these videos. Potentially, that's my estimate. Yeah. So what that means is once you're done with one, the other one's coming. And here's the thing. It never gets old. So that is.

Actually, I do think it gets old. All right. Well, yeah, that was more of like a, what do you call exaggeration? But it takes a long time. I would argue for most of us for it to quote unquote get old. So the point there is that is something that is straight up not productive. True. You can learn a lesson.

I don't do much of that. The lessons to be learned from those videos get learned literally the first video. Yeah. Literally. And then. Well, no, they don't get learned in the first video because the first one just seems like it could be an anomaly. It's like when you tap someone that's never done you jizz before it takes like three or four before they go, okay, I get it.

You're right. You know something. I don't know. So you got to watch three to five drunk girl fail videos with your you know 16 year old daughter and say like this is why you don't get drunk. Yeah. This is why. Yeah. Actually you don't believe me. Okay, we'll watch two more and we'll see if there's any of these things that that you would want to see yourself behaving as. Yeah, but and you could argue that maybe if you watch five, six, seven, ten, twenty, you start to see another pattern get revealed within the pattern of drunk girl fails. So one of them is, you know, a girl riding a scooter. You've gone down this path. So you're not like not just don't get drunk, but don't ride scooters.

Exactly right. Exactly right. We see. Don't dance on the bar when drunk. Yes, exactly right. So if you see, let's say within the span of 15 drunk girl fail videos, you see, you know, 30 of those is girls dancing in the bar versus only two of them were girls on a scooter. You can kind of discern that dancing on the bar Statistically

Is a little bit more dangerous I'm just saying hey look hey we're digging for lessons here So that's a bad thing Digging for lessons is a bad thing That's what you're saying where that wasn't a lesson bro Sorry digging for lessons next question Virtuosity requires your favorite subject discipline Creativity is important as well

Does a single focus on discipline inhibit creativity? No Jimmy Page Next question Seriously Jimmy Page What okay all right well Jimmy Pidge? Letzeplin Guitar virtuoso practiced with discipline I just answered this on the kids podcast

Okay Because Jimmy Page played guitar so much when he was in school That they had to take his guitar from him during like study halls during lunch like no you can't just sit there and play guitar you need to do other things Yeah, yeah yeah that's how much he practiced yeah he practiced so much he became such a Such a skilled player through that much discipline that he was able to get more creative Then almost anyone else on the guitar so there you go it doesn't it gives you freedom it it it expands your creativity Yeah

and Jimmy Page is one example of a multitude. So let me ask you this. I guess we kind of talked about, but not really, I've never actually asked you that I can remember. So if you, and let's assume that Jimmy Page, he didn't do it because he felt like this is,

you know, what I should be doing right now, whatever he did just because I'm addicted to guitar. I love it. And there's nothing I'd rather be doing and all this stuff. So if you, the question is,

if you just love doing it and that's why you're doing it so much. I love guitar. I don't want to eat dinner right now. I'm busy on my guitar. Just, you know, enjoying myself and learning and just loving it, every single moment of it. I don't want to go surf. I'm on my guitar. Boom, every single day. Is that discipline? Yes. Okay. Because let's say, okay. Actually, I don't know. I guess not technically. Yeah, because... No, it is.

It is. It is. But I'd be hard-pressed to find somebody that loves doing something so much that they do it all the time with no discipline whatsoever. Yeah. And I think I agree with you there. But technically, is that discipline, though? Because, you know, take Michael Jordan, right? For example.

That's not a good example. Well, for what I'm about to say. I think the guitar example is good because if you really love doing it. And that's what you're doing. I'll tell you what. It takes discipline, even if you enjoy it. Yeah. I'm going to stick with that answer for now.

So let's say, you know, and even more important answers? I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters either. So ultimately. Because it's like, it's because it kind of alter at the end of the game, did you put in the hours of practice and did you get good at it? Okay, did you get good at it? That's what the question is.

Did you get good at this thing? Usually, I'll say all the time, pretty much, with very few exceptions. The way you get good at something is practice. And then, you know, usually since you can't do one thing all day, every single day for, you know, 30, 40, 50 years, it's going to take discipline, meaning you're going to have to do it even though you don't want to do it kind of thing, which is part of what discipline is. But what if that part of it doesn't isn't there? Because even like Michael Jordan, he's so good and he's probably love basketball, whatever. But there's, of course, days where he's like, okay, I'd rather maybe be hanging out, but I'm going to take discipline. That's why I said a good example right right but this is a real person

Because to get a person that loves something so much that it took them zero discipline I don't think that's a realistic person right I think that anyone that does anything It gets to a point where the only thing that drives him to do that extra percentage is discipline So I guess I will stick with it. Yeah, so I guess the question if you want to kind of relate it to like a real person So you know a person who again just like like loves it right just loves what they do of course they're gonna have some discipline because they're gonna have some days that they don't love it or whatever like are they would you consider them a disciplined person in there in their field

yeah but we've also talked about this before just people that are very disciplined in one field and completely undisciplined in other fields yeah so so it's kind of an indicator that might not really be technically disciplined technically they got the practice again I think the hours Do you work if you like it. That's great. If you don't like it here's a indicator if you if you don't like doing it well what are you doing it for? Yeah. If you don't even enjoy it. I mean the end right? Yeah means to it to the to the end or whatever means to an end but if you're going to dedicate level 12 to something that you don't even enjoy I think that's kind of problematic. I think you're right to next question when you realize that nothing will change in the leadership do you tap out?

and move on or continue trying to be a good leader to your crew who deserves it that's definitely a question that it requires a little bit more information to give a good answer to you know because what's the situation can you be is there an opportunity that you could become the leader long term because that totally changes the outlook right if if you could if you could do a good job and step up and move into a more senior leadership position where you could take even more turn or take even more care of the crew well then that's a positive thing and it might be worth hanging out for also is it a complete dead end like is

there no possibility it's a family-owned business and all the senior leadership is related to the family and you're not part of the family and you're never have a chance that that changed the prospect I mean obviously that's like okay well maybe it's not worth sticking around there if you leave can you leave where you can give open the opportunity for other people to go where you're going right which is not a good thing in terms of you know you're not being very loyal you're being anti loyal you're being unloyal disloyal if you do that but if the leadership that you're working for isn't taking care of the people then you have to have some loyalty to the people that you work

with so there's that I think that you you you have to assess everything that's going on in the situation which which is not evident in this one quick question I would say this too like don't blindside your boss right that's something that if you're going to leave leave on good terms explain to what's going on also that can be an opportunity to start a conversation about how the leadership could improve a lot of times people don't want to change anything until it really smacks them in the face and one of the thing that smacks them in the face is when one of their good people comes in and says hey look I I'm going to leave because of these reasons and again you don't on the exit interview or on those conversations you don't

Just drop dime and make everyone make it out to be this horrible situation. Say, here's some things that I've noticed. Here's some things that I would want to change. Here's the direction that I see the company going. And this is the direction I think it should be going. And for these reasons, I've decided I'm going to go try, you know, try my hand somewhere else. I think if you'd be open like that, it can start some good conversations and possibly you could make some progress. Or possibly you could confirm your suspicions, which are no one wants to change.

No one wants to do anything different. And if that's the case, and you realize. It's a dead end for you. Yeah, you got to take that option. You can't beat your head against the on the 40 you know you can beat your head against the wall 47 times on the 48th time It's like okay. I need to do something different So pay attention to that next wish What can we all learn from tenacious D that most people overlook? You know

Critical question it is a critical question, but there's actually a real a real legitimate answer to that and that is that tenacious D who's a very funny group of individuals. Jack Black is one of them, who's a musician and a comedian and an actor, and Kyle Gas is the other member. What's great about them is they don't take themselves too seriously, and I think that's the lesson to learn, is don't take yourself too seriously.

Have some fun, and don't take yourself too seriously. There it is. Yeah. And I would say there's a difference between taking yourself, seriously and being serious so you know how like being serious is like okay you're not necessarily joking all the time but taking yourself too seriously is like you know if like a joke is made about you or you can laugh at yourself or that kind of stuff yeah yeah yeah so you can be serious all the time you be a serious person and not take yourself

too that is true and that's a good that that's fine that's fine the person you don't want to be is the person that takes themselves too seriously all the time yeah that's a problem so inversely I guess could you be to like could you be a very not serious person but take yourself too seriously could you be a very serious no not could you be a very like joky not serious person yeah yeah for sure and it's like that's the person that you can dish it out but you can't yeah yeah thin skin type guy yeah yeah kind of like you right a little bit yeah yeah see I see what you did there I got you next question unless there's anything more from tenacious D no you know

maybe some good songs we can inspirato right that's from tenacious D that's where you got I got to give a warning that language is not appropriate for kids with tenacious D and nor some of the subject matter so be careful with that yeah yeah the warning next question you mention you rarely play closed guard rarely is this just personal preference I would say that it is somewhat a personal preference right because there's definitely some people that intentionally play closed guard that's their game But at the same time in order to attack even from the closed guard most of the time you have to open your guard so therefore your guard is open So open guard and that's kind of what I do skip the step of opening my guard but you've been in people's guard that have really good closed guards yes yes

Yeah, it's not fun. No. And that's why I try not to let people close their guard. Yeah. Because you can prevent that from happening. Yeah. There's people that have really, really solid psycho closed guard. So I'm not anti-closed guard and some people are great at it.

My personal preference is to play more open guard. Yeah. Yeah, it's one of those things where closed guard. If you're not a person who always plays closed guard or whatever, it can be just something that you kind of use for specific situations. You know like if you're trying to maybe read Regain some energy or something like that you're gonna rest a little bit or even in like a Self-defense like a striking scenario like a closed guard might might kind of no the close guard is there's no doubt that close guard has

Viable purpose yeah and it's good and I do use it I don't use it a lot yeah, yeah and if you're a taller lanky guy close guard might be a little bit yeah short fat legs that You know, my closed guard is like my toes are touching Depending on the size of the person and actually where it stems from if you went to the root of it is it stems from Footlocks so if you close your guard when your guard opens you're vulnerable and that there's a moment where you're vulnerable and if you're training with guys that have really good full locks That's not a good situation. So that's where I started not closing my guard because there was always that transition period where My feet were vulnerable. So I just stopped closing my guard and kept it open and

Move my feet towards me to keep them a little bit safer. Next question we got time for one more. Yes. Yo Jocko. What's the best way to include? Yo Jocko. What's the best way to increase one's confidence? You want to increase Your confidence. I'll I'll tell you what I think. What you do if you want to increase your confidence is you do jiu jitsu you work out you get stronger you read and you study and you learn and you get smarter and and then you practice speaking and you practice speaking so that you can become

more articulate and then you practice some more and then you then you do hard things things that are challenging things that are tough and then you get tougher You don't quit. That's what you do. And then you stand up straight with your head high and your chin up and your chest out. And at the same time, you also stay humble because you don't know everything. And there are people that are better than you are at some things. People that are smarter than you and they're stronger than you and faster and more athletic than you.

and they have more money and they got better looks and they're funnier but all that is okay it's actually okay because there are things that are more important more important than being strong and smart and athletic more important than all those things things like loyalty honor will things like courage courage to stand and the will to keep going and to do the right things for the right reasons and if you know if you know you won't give up and you know you won't give in and if you test yourself and you fail but you know you're going to get back up again if you know that if you know that then you know that your character is strong And that's what matters.

And that right there is all the confidence you need. I think that's all I've got for tonight. So Echo, yes. Speaking of being stronger. Yes. And faster. Yes.

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The ultimate joint supplements. It's a big deal. Huge deal. Like you can be super strong and be lifting and, but you got to warm up like for 20 sets just because your joints are all like stiff and whatever. Say, say bye to that problem. You take these. There it is. Boom.

Joint supplements. Get on it. Go to origin main. com. Also another supplement called discipline. This is for your brain. makes your brain work better it's nutrients for your brain that's what it is and also nutrients for your body so it's a pre-workout it's a pre-study it's a pre-mission

supplement called discipline get down same same place or germane dot com tastes good too by the way is other flavor out when is other flavor out we're making it right now so soon yeah a little further than soon soon to me is like Yeah, like a little more distant than soon. Yeah, but we're working on it diligently. Yeah. That's soon to me. And it's Pinolada, by the way.

Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I got a different name for it. Yeah, uh, coconut. No, I got a better name for it. All right. Later, okay. Secret name?

Because I'm not sure it's legal or not. The name, okay, got you. The name I have in mind. All right. Cool. Well, we're all very excited about the name and the taste and, you know, whatnot. Pineapple coconut is the working title.

working title there you go cognitive and physical force multiplier good one also milk okay so milk I'm going to say the word protein powder but I'm not saying milk is protein powder

yeah if you want some additional protein that's a good way to get it that happens to taste really really good like a mint chocolate milkshake not a diet milkshake like a mint Chocolate milkshake and you want protein take milk take it every day if you want to my buddy sent me a text

He goes yeah I I saw that mulk had Probiotics in it Dang even better yes and he said I he said so I just ordered it because I need some yeah, and he and he's like holy This stuff is good. I said yeah, I know yeah, I said I know and he's like yeah, it's awesome so anyways making the super-size milk Shake yeah hey man I can relate because That's literally what I do. Yeah. No, I could tell when you got on the mulk train Because your attitude changed. You know, you went from like oh yeah, and we've got mulk. It's good blah blah blah to when you were like hey, this is a game changer. Yeah, you know what's it's so filling wasn't it makes it so filling

Feeling like like when you eat it you just feel complete or when you drink it you feel Saciated completely satiate That's why you know the term meal replacement Yeah, like oh, we got a meal replacement. Sure. This isn't supposed to be a meal replacement. It's not supposed to be. The intent wasn't okay, replace. But what happens is if you have it, like yesterday, I had one in the afternoon. I had a light lunch, which was crap. I ate a crap lunch. Crap. Like not healthy? Not good, not healthy. Gotcha. A little off the path. So I was feeling like, okay, And then so in the a little later than that I said you know I'm just gonna have some milk right now to To reset the path yeah and then I got home from jiu jitsu last night six hours later didn't even barely eat anything for dinner because I was still full

Yeah, why is that? Amen. It's um filling Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I guess it's satisfied Satisfies you on multiple fronts. Yeah, yeah, plus psychologically come come on you kind of knew that it was the mulk and you were like solid you felt good about that You were satisfied about that. That's probably a big, you know, factor. So it's not supposed to be a meal replacement, but... That's not what it was engineered for. That's what it was engineered for, but it turns out that if you have it, you won't be that hungry because you'd be so full. Yeah.

Yeah, it's true for milk. Yeah. It's so different. We had to create a different word for it. Yeah, man. That's going to be in the Oxford English Dictionary soon. I'm sure it will. It'll be, oh, it'll be...

They'll have to define it in the OED. You know what the OED is? Oxford English Dictionary. Yeah, yeah. That's the real deal right there. That's the big one. Yeah, that's the big one. That's the mother of all dictionaries.

Must be. Must be. It is. There's no must be. Dang, and Mulk is going to be in there, you say. Malt's going to have to be in there. We'll petition. We won't even have to petition for it because people are just going to start.

That's just going to be out. Yeah, it's just going to be out. And really, that's how words get in the dictionary. No, I know. It's just sort of. Yeah. I just keep using it and here's the here's a good thing about that word not to go off on too much of a tangent But I will and I don't mind doing it with this situation

Mok is the actual legitimate situation Mok it's Mok yeah, but it's not like the word irregardless and you know I miss using the word because they're not you know educated on that specific word They use irregardless their friend uses their neighbor use it their whole community's using it. Who knows? Maybe Pahana will get in there too Well Pahana is a Hawaiian word I know, but maybe we'll get it into the English Dictionary, but it's not English because that's a thing know then the the the English dictionary is not filled with words that are only English the whole English language Right got your cut so kind of kind of good power in there right and malk yeah well petition We can't petition you don't petition to get them in there you actually just use the words so like the word Forte

I wonder if that's my forte people start trying to rip off moak Yeah, it'll be like hey we use Xerox me a copy of that right it'll just be the it'll just be the way yeah instead of a new thing thing yeah like I'm gonna you know first I'm gonna work out and then like I'm just gonna yeah I'm gonna mowl yeah oh you pick me up some mook from the store oh and then people say well what kind of milk do you want right right right yeah and they won't be just be talking about like because it'll be nine different brands of milk okay you're from the kind of the east way is New England East Coast is that technically or is it considered okay so do you did you grow up in a place where they say coax no or pop we

We called soda. Okay. Yeah, we called the soda too. So I have, so soda, okay, that's normal to me in, you know, as far as my experience goes. And then there's pop. You've heard pop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pop.

That's like the Midwest. Okay. Ohio. And then there's Coke. Yeah, yeah. Like Coke. Yeah. Yeah.

Can I get a Coke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sprite. You know, what kind? Exactly. Exactly.

I had to do this, uh, when I was going to college, I had to, they wanted us to get the words. for what okay what do you call if you get an ice cream cone and you get little flavored tiny bits all over it what do you call those little flavored bits oh sprinkles okay sprinkles that's that's one of the standards there's a there's some people that call them jimmies okay okay my wife's from England okay and I and so I did this to her so we had that we had a bunch of words that were broken out that people call different things like soda pop what look what do you call this what do you call that where you from what do you call this what do you call that I did this with my wife

and I actually luckily recorded it because I knew it would be interesting how'd you record it like on a tape recorder no kidding tape recorder old school yeah and then I go and I so I asked my wife you know what do you call the things that you put on an ice cream cone that are little different colors and the little tiny bits of sugary candy what would you call those and she without missing a beach goes hundreds and thousands Hundreds and thousands. Hundreds and thousands.

I started laughing. Kind of a mouthful. Hundreds and thousands. Yeah. Yeah. There's no sure. And then I said, because, okay, what do you call ham, mayonnaise, lettuce on a long bun? That's, what do you call that?

Yeah. What kind of sandwich is that? Me, there's no specific, but I get it. I don't call it a hoagie. Okay. But I don't know, like a sub sandwich or something. Okay. Sub sub we used to call it a grinder yeah I've never that was it's like a New England grind to get it I want to get a grinder

But my my wife calls it a bap a bap bap Bap ham bap and this is like I said what do you call that thing and she's like oh it's a bap ham bap cheese bap Anyways and what's that just a long sandwich like a long look at the subway sandwich So yeah sub club sub so at some point people are just going to say mulk and that's that's a long and that's a long sandwich. So at some point people are just going to say mulk and that's gonna have a meaning yeah beyond just what we have right now specifically yeah because people will be making it everyone's gonna be trying to make it sure sure it's gonna be just so common you know what's gonna be it's like oh you'll have it's gonna replace let's say replaces lunch like so oh like oh yeah eat three meals a day breakfast mulk and dinner right oh what are you gonna have oh yeah hey they're

gonna come over for mulk later on yeah right yeah hey are guys coming over tonight to have some mulk and watch the game sure have some mulks yeah right yeah you're gonna look on kids elementary school schedule it'll be like boom you know recess and then you know 11 30 mulk and then you know boom history you know yeah got you man yeah that's where it's going the horn's gonna sound milk break right yeah yeah yeah oh boyana let's go get some milk it's it for some it's powhana yeah yeah that's what i said yeah a lot of times on the my part of the island we called it a little bit different oh you right right that accent i got you man i have the new england hawaiian accent all right so that's mook

Okay, boom. Yeah, Moke, that's a good one. Get your hands on some of that. You're good. Yeah, Paohana and I didn't analyze It means finish work. It means when you're done work, you're pa. Oh, I know exactly what I do it. Come on this for the people. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good you know, you know, yeah, but if you say pow, P-a-U, yeah Sounds like P-O-W like pow-p, that means finished Little yep direct translation are you pow? Yep, are you finished? Yep, are you finished? Hey, I pal. Yep. I'm finished.

Definitely. Yep. Hanna. Hanna means like, like you're doing. No, you're doing it. It means doing. Like, if you say Hana ho, that means let's do it again. You know, whatever it is.

Like if some, usually they say, well, a common place they say it is like if a band is playing and it's like a dope song and they killed it. They say Hana ho means like, do it again, play it again. I remember yelling that when I was a kid. Or if you go. Or if you go do something fun and you guys are done, you say your goodbyes to your friends, and you say what? Tomorrow, Hanaho means you want to do that thing tomorrow. It's good. Again, yes.

Yeah, unless back to origin. Our company, origin. Made in America, by the way, this stuff, good stuff, including geese for Jiu-Jitsu. Starting Jiu-Jitsu, you ask me, ask Jock, whatever, if you, if you ask me or Jocco, what Ghi to get. Here it is. uncompromised, not uncompromised, no exception. No exception that I can take of anyway. You get an origin ghee for many, many reasons.

I'm not going to go into all of them. But they are made in America and they're made for Jiu Jitsu. Sounds weird, right? Like, what do you mean? It's a Jiu Jitsu. It's made for Jiu Jitsu. Not as much as the origin ghee. That's the thing.

You have a Jiu Jitsu guy who is an expert in textiles manufacturing some fashion I know I know but it's part of it and he's like you know what I'm gonna make a geek for Jiu Jitsu for doing Jiu Jitsu in you know not just hey a ghee which is cool and you can use it for Jiu Jitsu let's make a bunch of blanks and whatever brands can buy them from us and you know just kind of this thing and we'll ship into him in the US no it's not that Pete made Jiu Jitsu geese for Jiu Jitsu shape for Jiu Jitsu woven for Jiu Jiu Jiu Jitsu Yeah, that's an important part.

Yeah, so when you put it on, you do the jujitsu. Yeah. And when you put it in the dryer, it actually dries. Yeah, which is even... Which is totally different. So this gis, these gis, all of them, perform when you're doing jiu jitsu and when you're not doing jujitsu. Yeah. Boom, there it is.

And all made in America, did I mention that? Everything. Even the threads are made in America. Even the cotton is grown in America. Yeah. Most of us already know that, but I'm going to say it again, because some of us don't necessarily know that. Now we do. It's pretty cool when you're putting on a ghee.

and you know the people that actually made it. Yeah, that's what you need it. Yeah. And you're supporting, when you're, when you know you're supporting the economic growth of this country. Yes. And at the same time, you're getting the best possible

Ghee you can get. Yeah. I'd say that's 100% positive. That's a win-win across the board. Yeah, win-win across the board and everyone's kind of in the game together. You have that additional, like, additional feeling situation. That's my opinion.

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or you can do it all either way more stuff in Jiu-jitsu Dean is going is Dean going yes so Dean Lister's going Jocco's going I'm going Leif's going Laif Babbin is going Dave Dave Dave Babbin is going Dave Dave Borg's going good deal Dave and J.P.'s going. So, maybe Mike in Flynn, as far as the echelon front. Yeah, Mike and Flynn aren't going. Maybe, maybe not. No, I'm telling them they're not. So maybe not.

No, not going, okay, gotcha. I understand now. Okay, either way, we're all going to be there. And if the question is, I don't have any jiu-jitsu at all. I don't have any jiu-jitsu at all. Do I go to a jiu-jitsu camp? Yes. The answer is yes. Hey, Andy's going, too.

Looks like. Okay. Andy Burke. Andy Burke will be training hardcore for ADCC. And oh yeah, somebody asked if there's an, is there a chance to go see the factory where everything's made? Yes. And the answer is affirmative. Middle of the week, Wednesday, in between jiu-jitsu sessions, go to the factory, you know, get to see everything, get to meet the people that make everything.

It's awesome. Yes, very much. That's a good little hangout spot, too. Last time we were there, we're kind of hanging out there for a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it was kind of fun. But yeah, it's a good one. That's going to be a good one. Eat some lobster too.

If you like lobster, I don't know. Some people don't like lobster, so whatever, maybe that's not the draw. Yeah, eat some steak. Boom. All good. Good camp. Camp Echo Lake layers in Maine. I'll see you there.

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All of them except that this teeny tiny small ones. In one series or all of them, all of them? All of them. Do you have the zombie ones? Zombie ones. Well, some of them were sold out. So aside from the sold out ones, yes. Oh, actually I don't have Star Wars ones yet.

You're getting them. But here's the same way. Yeah, see, so that's the thing. So you just don't care. If you're just in the game. Yeah, a little bit. You get different inspired for Boba Fett versus. Yeah, depends on the workout.

But here's this, here's the thing. I'm gonna be honest like if I do have the same weight maybe I'll get one in one you know because I have double of everything but wait double meaning four total kettle sorry okay yeah two each one free chan you know you do the double double handed situations yeah those are dope good thing too about on it dot com the website is the information on there health various uh philosophies and pursuits of you know exercises and workout programs like depending on what you want to do stuff like that good information about the products too also socks I know seems like a small deal I know but I just got some and they're dope

and they're kind of like you know how like when you're going through the airport right you got to take off your shoes some of us some I know I get it some people they don't got to take off the shoes but when you got to take off your shoes and you kind of have your socks one time so I was going through I had the on it socks on I felt kind of some because it felt dope because they're kind of dope they look dope you know what I'm saying Whole situation. Yeah, bro, get some socks and go travel. Report back.

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I remember. People have been reminding me of that analogy recently. We haven't talked about it in a while. You drop a piece of sodium in water, it explodes. It's huge. Small action by dropping a small little thing. Big reaction. So you.

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They wrap it up in a nice little net wrapping with a little ribbon on it's cool. I dig it. I dig it But you don't really use that soap, you know it's like all right, I'm not gonna use the So I mean thanks you know and I got a soap decorative piece right whatever it's not that kind of soap No it's legit so you go use this soap I didn't even think to say that because I thought everyone knew I guess people get suspect because he's a young kid Maybe or you just hear like oh special soap I don't know then depends on your experience I'm sure people don't Give you decorative soap items no they don't regularly no okay but the good thing about this soap from my opinion it's all about function and this soap will help you stay clean Yes, sir

The discipline equals freedom field manual you can give the gift of discipline You know if you know someone that's like sort of maybe got a foot off the path That's a person that's right for the discipline equals freedom field manual. Yeah, that's a person that you go hey man. It's got this book man Give it a just take a look at it Yeah, just take a look at it. Yeah. It doesn't look normal. Nope, it looks actually pretty dope.

Yeah. And then they read something, and then they say, oh, you know what, I don't know, fuck I like that. Yeah. Gets them back on the path. If you want the audio version of that, it's discipline equals freedom field manual. It's not on audible. It's on iTunes, Amazon music, Google Play, other MP3 platforms. That's where it's at.

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