Jocko Podcast - 129: How to Lead and Win Using "The General Principles of War", by Fredrick The Great

Episode Date: June 13, 2018

0:00:00 - Opening. 0:09:45 - "The General Principles of War", by Fredrick The Great. 1:54:52 - Final Thoughts and take-aways. 1:55:55 - Support. 2:41:57 - Closing Gratitude.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 129 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Cry had risen for the reserve, and it must come as soon as possible. We ran what we could run. Our lieutenant colonel fell, killed almost at the first. Beyond this, we lost our major, and indeed all of the officers. but three.

Three only. We had crossed two successive ditches, which lay in an orchard to the left of the first houses, and we were beginning to form in front of the village, but there was no standing of it. Besides the general cannon fire, such as hardly can be imagined, there was also a reign of case shot upon this battalion,

of which I, as there was no colonel left, had to take command a third battalion of the royal Prussian foot guards which had already made several of our regiments past that same kind of muster gave at a distance of 80 paces the liveliest fire upon us it stood as if on the parade ground that third battalion and waited for us without stirring the Austrian regiment at our right hand could not get itself formed properly because of the houses it was standing 30 deep and sometimes its shots hit us in the back on my left the Austrian regiment ran its way and I was glad of that in comparison by no method or effort could I get the dragoons who stood 50 yards to

the rear of me to cut in a little and help me out my soldiers who were still tired from running had no cannon support were scattered fewer in number and were mainly fighting out of sullenness it was more out of honor than the notion of doing good in the affair that prevented us from running off finally two officers of the grenadiers brought me what they still had some hungarians too were luckily got together but at last with all help and the remnants of my own brave battalion, I drew back. And that right there is a report

from Charles Joseph Lamoral, the prince, Prince de Ling, I believe is how you say it, who is a captain in the Austrian army fighting against the Prussians during the seven years war. In that particular battle, was the Battle of Luth, which took place on December 5th, 1757,

where the Austrians suffered about 22,000 casualties, about one-third of their forces. And that was at the hands of the Prussian army, who interestingly had about half the number of troops as the Austrians. And the Prussian army was led by a guy by the, the name of King Frederick the second who became known as Frederick the great and you know this type of fighting was it was brutal and it's it's sort of is the classic vision of the old European infantry tactics like what you picture troops lined up by rank

marching forward to close with the enemy in what often became just a test of will and courage and whose will and whose courage was stronger who would drive forward and who was gonna back down who was gonna run away but on top of that will encourage you also there was still maneuvers happening out there and the movements were centralized but but the but the maneuvers were still happening happening and the battlefield still required there to be the leadership to maneuver these elements around to assess what was happening and then to drive the troops to get the job done Leadership was absolutely required and one of the most respected leaders of this era was

The leader at that battle of the Prussians Frederick the Great now Frederick the great Interesting character born in 1712 his father Frederick William and he he seemed like one of those kind of terrestrial Pranical fathers that really pushed his son with extreme discipline and all that and guess what young Frederick didn't like it Didn't like it wasn't wasn't into that you know what he was into? Music Literature that's what he was into and he actually plotted an escape To England and he had a couple of his buddies helped him out Had a little plan put the plan together I'm to get out get away from my tyrannical dad who's trying to you know turn me into this warm-onauts

hungering guy and the plot got foiled and the king actually captured he captured one of the two friends that was helping young Frederick and then sentenced him to death and young Frederick had to watch his friend who had tried to help him get beheaded yeah and despite that he eventually got on board with becoming a military and becoming king and he gained a reputation for being extremely aggressive on the battlefield and there's a good quote I think Napoleon had a good quote about him which was something along the lines of if Frederick the Great was still here we wouldn't be here so he got a lot of respect and he led very successful campaigns all over Europe he was he was known for having an extremely hard work ethic strong work ethic interesting he woke up at either four or five o'clock in the morning every morning so he he was one of those guys and another interesting thing at a time when when the royals all over Europe in the world when

they kind of flaunted their riches he wasn't like that he was kind of like a low profile guy he allowed free speech he allowed people to even insult him which was you know I mean obviously his old man didn't have any problem just tossing out the death sentence but there was a story about him where there was like a poster hung up that someone had done a drawing and that made him kind of looked like a buffoon and he was going through this village where this thing was hung up and he kind of went to see what all this commotion all these people were around do you want to suit all the commotion was a was about and he saw this sign hand hanging up on a post and his comment was hey lower that sign down a little bit so people don't hurt their necks while they're looking at it he's one of those guys and you know so we kind of had his ego in check which is which is definitely good and is his tactics like I said I mean there's still even when you had these rigid sort of ranks in battle You still had to maneuver the elements around the battlefield and his tactics were based in mobility and being able to move quickly Being able to move more quickly than the enemy and he focused on drill and more drilling and this is another interesting thing

In his opinion he because drill I don't know if you know this but when we say drill in the military We're talking about you ever seen like a drill team with the rifles and they march and everything's perfect a few good men at the beginning? Remember that movie? At the beginning it's like everyone's important like that's what it is I haven't I can't remember that I've definitely seen the movie But I can't remember that particular part but yeah that's what drill is so when people talk about drill that's what they're talking about And he was saying he know he was of the opinion that people often miss miss took Drill for the art of war he's no they're two different things and and they're important and there's a reason why you do drill and it teaches you certain things It teaches you a lot about discipline it teaches you about responding to orders quickly

Teach you how to work together his team so there's there's definitely a reason for drill but that is not the art of war At all So at age 35 he was he had been sick and he was recovering from the illness, but he was I guess he was still a little bit down so he was doing what he could in this case in this case it meant that he wrote down So some of his principles and the first version of it was called the instruction of Frederick the great to his generals and that piece was was kind of revised and the title was eventually changed to general principles of war and we're gonna look at that book today and see what we can learn from Frederick the Great and I was actually I'm always surprised at how much I have to learn and how much I can

learn from people that fought several hundred years ago and led several hundred years ago it's amazing it's amazing what you can learn from these folks all right so here we go going to the book this section is called the capabilities of prussian troops and their particular merit the greatest force of the prussian army resides in their wonderful regularity which long custom has made a habit in exact obedience and in the bravery of the troops the discipline of these troops now evolved into habit has such effect that in the greatest confusion of an action and the most evident perils, their disorder is still more orderly than the good orderly of their enemies. So there you go.

This is discipline equals freedom in whatever 17 something. If you think about what he's saying, his troops were so disciplined that even when there's total chaos going on, in their, in their worst state, they still are more squared away than the enemy is because their discipline is so strong. back to the book consequently small confusions are redressed in a moment and all evolutions are made promptly doesn't matter what you do to them confusion no problem we got discipline a general of other troops could be surprised in circumstances in which he would not be if commanding prussians since he will find resources in the speed with which they form and maneuver in the presence of the enemy and this is something that I say all the time was that like in a seal platoon in my seal platoon in my seal task unit in an army or Marine Corps infantry platoon the

discipline that they have gives them more freedom freedom on the battlefield because they can react to things quicker that's exactly what we're talking about exactly exact same thing Frederick the Great realized back to the book Prussians discipline renders these troops capable of executing the most difficult maneuvers such as traversing a wood in battle without losing their files or distances advancing in close order at double time forming with promptness reversing their directions suddenly to fall on the flank of the enemy gaining an advantage by a forced march and finally in surpassing the enemy in

constancy and fortitude discipline equals freedom I'm glad he didn't use that title he could have he could have now he's got something in here and when I when I initially read this part I was like oh well that's a little bit off of my thoughts but he comes back to it later and and we'll get to that part remind me actually when he get to this part talking about decentralized command because here he talks about something that's a little bit opposite of what I usually say so here we go back to the book obedience to the officers and subordination is so exact that no one ever questions an order hours are observed exactly and however little a

general knows how to make himself obeyed he is always sure to be no one ever reasons about the possibility of an enterprise and finally its accomplishment is never disparate of so what he's saying there is you know like everyone just listens to me that's what that's everyone just listens and no one questions the orders and we're gonna get to later where he actually there's a two things number one he really takes care of his people so they listen to him because he takes care of him it's not because he barks orders of them it's not it's that he really cares about them and he takes care of them and the other thing he talks and he'll talk later about this is how

Getting input from people is important. So even though he lays that out there, I think that's almost like a little macho He's throwing some macho Hey, look at me. Everyone just listens to me. That's the way it is I don't know if you noticed this when we had Colonel Fife on the podcast and I was talking about this with Dave Burke the other day When we first were talking with Colonel Fife, you know, he was saying yeah, well, you know Everyone just did what I told him to do and I was kind of like wow, you know that that that I always say that that doesn't really work. You know, I'm thinking about this to myself.

You know, he says, yeah, people just tell them what to do and they do it. That's what made my group, my unit so good. And I was like, wow. And then he went into it. And when he went into it, all the answers were there. He was like, no, no, no, I cared about my guys. And then he went into, I don't know if you remember this, you went into this part about where he said, look, if you're in a tank and you tell someone to get out of the tank when the tanks are hitting, bullets are hitting the tank.

Yeah, and go fix the track. You think they're going to do that? Could you told them to? No, they're not. Not if you don't take care of them, not if they don't understand it. So even though he initially said kind of like what Frederick the greatest saying, hey, people are just going to listen to me. Both saying the same kind of thing, but both of them have a lot more depth behind that reaction from their troops. So whenever somebody hears something like that, no, it's not true. It doesn't work. As a matter of fact, there's a chapter in the new book coming out that Leif and I wrote. And Leif's talking about this one CEO that we're working with. That's kind of like quoting Patton. Like, just. is the ultimate and same thing lace talking the guy like hey that's not the way the military works and he believed that when he would hear this kind of thing this is like a macho thing to say right is that the right word I don't know if that's the right word it's a it's a bold statement hey my troops just listen to me right it's not true there's so much more depth and that makes that actually happen

all right going back to the book the Prussians are superior to their enemy in constancy since the officers who have no other profession nor other fortune to hope from accept their arms animate themselves with ambition and a gallantry beyond all test because the soldier has a confidence in himself and because he makes it a point of honor to never give way so I just we were working with a company doing a do a FTCS training you know so we're out in the field and I was talking to them about cover and move and I said if you're walking while you're covering your field of fire from a level of one to 10 how well can you do it and you know people like I don't know five six because when you're walking you can't really you know you got

to look where you're walking got to look what everyone else is doing you you you can't just look at your field of fire you can't just look at your field of fire which is where you're looking for threats I said when you do cover and move and you stop and you get behind some cover and then you just your whole job is just to look how good do one to ten And everyone's like 10 and I said yeah and and that's kind of the same thing here where you get this guy When you have people that their whole life is just dedicated to one thing Well then they're gonna do it good Yeah, these these uh prussian officers who had no nothing else going for him other than

Being in the military yeah they're gonna do a good job of it That's why sometimes people ask me should I start another job while I'm on active duty and quite frankly my answer is no It's if you do it's got to be so on the side that it doesn't interfere at all with your job as Being a being in the military. It's just too hard to balance two things can you give a little advice can you maybe set something up on the side? Yeah, but dedicate focus on focus on what you're doing a hundred percent there's nothing else that I don't I don't see that as working out very well I say just focus on what you're doing that's my opinion Some people pull it off

I've never known anyone that pulled it off well Maybe I could think of some most people that had some kind of side gig going on The the military was their side gig too you know yeah, they weren't just in the game Yeah, I know they did yeah, like no do your job Yeah do it well. Yeah That doesn't go with if you're working for some corporation Then you can pull it off right you can know you can do something on the side Depends on the job, but

I don't know it seems like if you're the boss of of let's say you had a team right Yeah, they were like you know there you know productivity and all you know all this stuff and then you find out one team member is basically splitting his time You know I don't know doing something else. It's kind of like whoa well we're all over here trying to if it's interfering But most jobs aren't 24 hours day. Yeah, it's not really even true. Yeah, you know what? I think you can pull it off you can pull it off way easier in any other job than in the military. Yeah, you can have something going on the side. Yeah, because you know, you know what? I think you can pull it off way easier in any other job than in the military. Yeah, you can have something going on the side. Yeah, because because you can The military is the job where it's like, yeah, 24 hours a day. Yeah. Are you saying in a combat scenario? I'm talking about just in general, just in general.

And I shouldn't say that. You know, there's a lot of jobs when I work with companies. There's people that are, they're doing 24 hours a day. They're in the game. Yeah. So if you're in one of those kind of jobs, don't get a side job. And aren't there like jobs? Or set yourself up properly that you can do it.

It's hard to pull off, man. It's hard to pull off. But aren't there jobs in the military that are, that are pretty mellow? There are. Where you can come in, you can clock in, and, you know. There are. I guess if you're doing that, maybe you can do it. Yeah, you're thinking of you.

Yeah, but I'm also thinking about, like, guys in the SEAL teams. Yeah, that's the guys in the SEAL teams that had some kind of side hustle going on were generally, they weren't fully in the game. You know, that's just the way it is. Maybe there's some guys that I didn't even know about that did it. But most people, like, hey, if you're out buying houses and flipping houses, you know, you can kind of do that when you're in the military. Because you're doing some hard work on the weekends, and that's cool. Get a little rental property going. Hey, right on. I did that. Yeah, I know.

It wasn't, it wasn't, it literally interfered zero. Yeah. With my primary job, which was getting off. All right, back to the book. Many have been seen to fight even when wounded since the organization in general, proud of its past brave engagements, considers that any soldier who has shown the least cowardice in action affronts it. So you have that attitude you have that that culture inside your organization. It's a real thing We don't back down. We keep fighting hard. That's what we do All right now. He talks a little bit about projects of campaign One should know one's enemies their alliances their resources and the nature of their country in order to plan a campaign

One should know what to expect of one's friends what resources one's has oneself and see the future effects to determine what one has to fear or hope from political maneuvers we've heard this over and over again understand your enemy back to the book extravagant can't projects of campaign are worthless I call extravagant those which require you to make penetrations or those which reduce you to a too rigid defense penetrations are worthless because in pushing too far into the enemy's country you weaken yourself your communications become very difficult to maintain on account of their length and in order to make assured

conquests it is necessary always to proceed within the rules and here's the rules to advance establish yourself solidly to advance again to establish yourself the same and always to prepare to have within your reach of your army your resources and your requirements So there he's saying, make sure you're ready. And if you've got to extend yourself, don't extend yourself too far. That's what he's saying. That's very good advice. Now, he also says this, no, so that's going on the offense.

Now, there's a dichotomy here, which we talk about dichotomy a lot. There's a dichotomy here because he's saying, hey, look, you've got to be careful going on super, super far distant offense and extending yourself too far. But then he says this, back to the book. Projects of absolute defensive are not practicable because while wishing to close yourself in strong camps, the enemy will envelop you, deprive you of your sustenance from the rear, and oblige you to lose ground while disheartening your troops. So while you're digging in, guess what? The enemy is going to maneuver on you and cut you off.

Now back to the book. I prefer to this conduct of the offensive with the hazard of losing the battle since, This will not be more fatal than your retreat and your timid defensive. So he's saying there he'd rather be aggressive, be lean towards being more aggressive than lean towards being more defensive. And he, and he says why. In the one, you lose ground by withdrawing and soldiers by desertion and you have no hope. So if you go on the defense, that's what happens. You lose ground, you lose soldiers, and you have no hope.

Straight up. Now on the offense he says in the other you do not risk more and if you are fortunate You can hope for the most brilliant success. What is he saying there attack? That's what he's saying I agree with that again There's a dichotomy there because he's saying attack but the previous paragraph he's saying don't over extend yourself This is why we're writing a book called the dichotomy leadership because you have to find that balance All right back to the book I am now coming to what I call call the defensive, which turns into the offensive.

The greatest secret of war and the masterpiece of a skillful general is to starve his enemy. Hunger exhausts men more surely than courage, and you will succeed with less risk than by fighting. But since it is very rare that a war is ended by the capture of a depot and matters are only decided by great battles, It is necessary to employ all these means to attain this object Starving your enemy you know what I was the interestingly you know what I was thinking about when that popped into my mind Is when you're when you're when you're dealing with relationships Mm-hmm one of the best ways to like win in a relationship scenario Mm-hmm.

Is you starve the other person of attention? What do you mean when so? So two to win. So like when you what's the worst thing you can do to your kid when your kid is doing something bad? Give it attention. Yeah. The worst thing you can do is yeah, is give it attention. The best thing you can do is starve it of attention.

Yeah. I just thought that was kind of interesting. And another thing is like in jiu-jitsu, you're you starve the person of energy, right? You make them use their energy. And once they're out of energy, they're done. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I guess it depends on what you mean by win the relationship. Yeah, I guess I didn't really phrase that correctly, but I was thinking of

What we generally do? Let me clarify that. I think I just figured it out a little bit What we generally do is if we've got a problem in a relationship, what do we do? We go to fight it We go to war The better thing maybe just to starve it a little bit how do you starve it? Start it from attention, right? Like we talked about I think it was last week That someone asked like how do you get vengeance? And I was like, hey, the best thing, the best vengeance to give is starve them of attention. Yeah, don't even give it to them.

Yeah. You're going to, that's the win. Yeah. So I guess it's not good to put that in perspective with your kids, right? That's not a good thing. Any battle scenario in a relationship, sure. Yeah, I think, I think you could definitely go too far with that. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, no, I'm not saying starve. I guess if you're talking about, I guess more than anything else, I'm not even saying it's good or bad. I'm saying it's something to be aware of that you can use attention as a tool to help you in your engagements in relationships In business in life in family whatever you can use that attention as a tool. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that I think that's put more appropriate yeah, yeah, yeah, because in a late pay attention to your kids Yeah, because when you say relationship, you automatically assume wife, kids, girlfriend, boyfriend, boyfriend kind of thing. I don't automatically assume that

Yeah, it was like any any battle situation we're like yeah any combative scenario Yeah, yeah yeah yeah I'm just saying it's another tool I'm glad you it's a good one yeah it's a good one it is a good one all right here he talks about and and by the way Obviously I'm cutting out big chunks and what's interesting is He talks about heat for each one of these little principles that he talks about he actually goes through specific historical battles that happened and how they unfolded but if you want to read those you should get the book but I wanted to get through all the principles so here we go it's kind of skipping the the battles and his his battles they're not

they're not like these first-person kind of accounts that are really moving they're more just historical perspective hey here's and he wasn't even at all all of them you know some of he's saying this is what happened in this place and this is what happened in this other place. All right, he's talking here about rest camps. The duty of the general in these sort of camps is to restore his army and personally to oversee order and discipline. The cavalry and infantry should be visited often

and examined to determine if the first is well-nourished and if these two cores are complete. So take care of your people. Likewise, the troops should be exercised frequently, cavalry as well as infantry. and the general should be should often be present to praise the ones to criticize the others and to see with his own eyes that the orders which are found in my institution military are observed exactly the camp guards should be visited to see if they are vigilant if the officer is attentive or if he is negligent to be extremely strict so that the mounted sentries will not allow anyone to enter the camp without examining and announcing him and to prevent desertion by all means that I have indicated previously. He talks about one of the problems they had is people deserting,

and he goes into how do you stop people from deserting? And that's what he's referring to there, things that keeping everyone busy, making sure that they're well fed. He talks about those kind of things. So that's what he's referring to. Got to exercise them frequently. Got to keep them busy.

And you have to inspect. You have to get eyes on. He says, with your own eyes. So when you're the leader, you just can't throw that order out there and expect it's all going to happen the way you expected it to not going to happen you got to go expect it with your own eyes back to the book no oh before I go back to the book he's going to talk about how important it is to understand the battlefield and the terrain here we go knowledge of the

country is to a general what a rifle is to an infantryman and what the rules of arithmetic are to a geomactrician if he does not know the country he will do nothing but gross mistakes without this without this knowledge his projects be them otherwise admirable become ridiculous and often impracticable therefore study the country where you are going to act when it is desired to apply oneself to this essential part of war the most detailed and exact maps of the country that can be found are taken and examined and re-examined frequently if it is not in time of war the places are visited camps are

chosen roads are examined the mayors of the villages the butchers and the farmers are talked to one becomes familiar with the footpaths and the depth of the wood their nature and the depth of the rivers their practicable marshes and those which are not and one observes in this study to distinguish carefully between the conditions of the marshes and the streams in the different seasons of the year it cannot be said that a stream is impracticable in the month of August because it had been in the month of April. The road is chosen to be taken on such and such a march,

the number of columns in which the march can be made, and all the strong camping places found on the route are examined to see if they can be used. Gather your intel. Gather your intel. This is critical on the battlefield, and my first deployment to Iraq, I didn't do this as much as I should have because we'd be going to a place for the first time and we'd go there We'd get a quick kind of information intelligence would come in and we'd go okay, we're gonna we find out where this guy is and we do a quick map study

You know we do a map study, but it wasn't as thorough as when we were in Ramadi for six straight months and you actually just knew where you were I taught and I somebody just hit me up on Twitter talking about this but there was a guy from the first of 506 a company commander He was awesome and he videoed he had video cameras in his Humvees and so when he's out driving around Ramadi He would record it and then when he got back. He'd just watch it over and over again so he knew every little detail Yeah, and that's what you want to do that it's so important to know where you are Yeah, and to understand the terrain Okay, now we're gonna talk about something it's it's a it's a French word And I don't speak French by the way

I dig it I looked it up, but I'm still gonna remember I apologize it. I apologize. It looks like coop doy oil, but the way you actually say it is Kudea. Okay, so kudia and it's actually used quite a bit so I had to like run a couple rehearsals on it. How do you spell it? C-O-U-P, which which I knew that one right, Koo, right? There's a coup and then D-A-postrophe O-E-I-L. Kudiya. And sometimes they say that Kuday, but I like that some people put a little On the end of it I like that because it made a little bit more distinct so that's what I'm doing Okay and what that means it it

It translates directly. I believe to stroke of the eye and what it means is like a quick glance Kudia Yeah, so you just take a quick glance at something and you understand it think about the power of this The kudiaa of a general is the talent which great men have of conceiving in a moment all the advantages of the terrain and the use that they can make of it with their army when you are accustomed to the size of your army you will soon you soon form your coup de you with reference to it and habit teaches you the ground that you can occupy with a certain number of troops so what he's saying there's you got to practice you got to practice practice practice and that's

what makes you good at it you start to be able to size things up right you start to look at situations and the more you get put in those situations The better you can size them up. Think about when you first started as a bouncer Mm-hmm, right? When you first started as a bouncer and you'd look at something and you might think oh What's this guy gonna do and then a year how long we were bouncing before? Seven years. Okay, so by like the sixth year you're looking at a situation like okay, I can see that guy's good. I gotta get that guy out of here You just get better at your job. Yeah, you're your way of just looking at things and it's gonna get sharper. Yep That's very important

Sure. It is very important. Oh, speaking of which, back to the book, the kudia is of great importance on two occasions. The first is when you encounter the enemy on your march and are obliged to choose ground on which to fight instantly. As I have remarked, with a single square mile, a hundred different orders of battle can be formed. This is why you are hers. This is also why you think. You think about when you're patrolling, you're looking around at the terrain and you're going, okay, if we, if we're get contacted from over there we can go into this direction if we get contact from

over there we can get covered behind this this this berm or go behind this building if you're thinking about that even when you go into yeah you go into a restaurant you're like okay where the exits that's exactly what you're doing where the exits if someone comes in the front here's what I'm gonna do if someone comes in the back here's what I'm gonna do you just do a quick assessment that's all I'm saying yeah the clever general perceives the advantages of terrain instantly he gains advantage from the slightest hillock from a tiny marsh he advances or he advances or withdraws a wing to gain superiority he strengthens ease the either his left or his right

moves ahead to the or to the rear and profits from the merest bagatelles had to look that word up by the way mm-hmm what is it bag a tell bag a tell it's something of little value mm-hmm so what he's saying is if you're good you look at even like a little bag of towel just something that's kind of meaningless and you can take advantage of it yeah Hmm if you think about in jiu jihitsu when a guy if you're good at jiu jitsu and a guy moves his arm Just a little bit like across I would say like across the center of their chest yes if they do that That's only an inch right to be like here I'm okay here I'm not okay Yeah when you're good you can take advantage of that that's a good example by the way

You liked it yeah throw a little jiu jihitsu and echo make you happy it makes me happy too Back to the book the k the k k k k k k k k kudu Kudiya is required of the general when the enemy is found in position and must be attacked Whoever has the best kudiya will perceive at first glance the weak spot of the enemy and attack him there The latter is a result of experience and you can only get experience through through two things training or actual experience Talked about that at the muster yes like if you want to be good You can get good through experience or you can get good through training now there's some things that all Only experience will give you you can really make up a lot of ground just from training

Yeah like I say good like realistic training. Oh it's got a realistic yeah yeah Yeah, yeah that's what separates the old martial arts yes from the new martial arts There it does is the experience was close the experience didn't used to be close to a real fight Oh the training yeah yeah the old training experience didn't wasn't close to a real fight yes it was like cada and Remember those old things where it's like well when I hit you here? It's going to cause this reaction 100% yeah yeah that's like part of the practice part of the guy has to bend over you know let me teach you the reactions that you will have yeah that's total garbage yeah and actually that's a good way to kind of evaluate good

good a good way to evaluate when someone's like okay this is how you deal with this attacker or whatever situation and then they demonstrate it and then it takes a big involvement it like big involvement from the the attacker person you know in the demonstration it's like whoa yeah that that might not happen that might not happen I remember there was people teaching me that if you hit someone in the neck with like a karate chop straight up they were they were teaching me this if you hit someone in the neck it's gonna knock them out that's what they were saying and that was part of it that was part of the whole thing hey if you get him here boom you hit him in the neck and I was young and I

didn't even know Jiu jit-to at the time but I've been a lot of fights when I was a kid You know we were in the streets and I was like I don't think that's actually gonna work Do it to me and the dude's karate chopping me in the neck Yeah, it didn't it didn't have any didn't do anything I mean it doesn't give you a little flash I mean it gives you a little like a little tiny But he's trying to knock me out now because I'm calling them out right? So he's given all he's going for it Yeah, oh dang yep yeah, so they're debunked yeah debunked real quick you know those ones where they wait What was it in the front? Yeah

No, it's right right side of the neck, man. Side of the neck, that's gonna knock you out, he told me. Yeah, you know those ones where, it could be the same thing. Where they hit, they do it, it's like a karate chop or something, and they hit you, but it's a little bit in the front of your neck. Uh-huh. And I always see it, I've never seen it in real life. Well, they do it and they hit you right there, and the guy knocks out.

That's not true, bro. It's so that doesn't work. It's so not true. Yeah, okay. I've never seen it real life. Everyone's about Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan's post something that's like fake martial arts. and and those are slapstick yeah I know but he's like I could literally post these all day long there's so many of them out there I know and they're kind of funny yeah it's weird though when you

start talking about how when jiu jitsu first came around and people had been training in you know whatever traditional martial art for 20 years yeah and all of a sudden like a white belt or a blue belt and jih Tutsu'd come and wrap them up now I will say this if I trained whatever some traditional martial art and it's 1986 and you and I get in a fight and you don't know anything yeah you're gonna be in trouble because I at least know how to throw a punch

possibly yeah possibly well I mean there's advantages to hitting mitts you know like oh for sure because it's like yeah yeah yeah you know how it feels to land a punch that spatial kind of awareness yeah yeah yeah do you have you develop learn how to develop power oh yeah well if we're talking about boxing that's a whole different story because that's a real martial art

and if you watch people train you're gonna get knocked out sometimes oh yeah Yeah, so but even like a karate situation like a guy who can who kick a bag like that guy does know how to kick you by the way And there's some forms of karate what is it? Yeah, there's some forms of karate that are legit and they They go get after it. That's what GSP's a background was originally in. Oh, Kyoshi Yeah, Kyushkin. Yeah, yeah, that is rough. Yeah, that is rough. Yeah, no head strikes though no head strikes, which is kind of a bummer Yeah, I mean, I think it's like hey, I'm gonna grab the geese Grab your ghee and kick the crap out of your legs right now.

Yeah, and punch you in the chest. That's tough though, man. Yeah, no. It's, it's, well, let's say this. It's a little bit closer to reel, right? So it's a little bit closer to reel. That's why it has some effectiveness. Yeah.

The more closer you are to reel, the more effective something is. And that's the way it goes. Yes, sir. All right. Speaking of training, back to the book, it is on this exact knowledge of the terrain that is regulated the dispositions of the troops

and the order of battle of the army. So again, he's still talking about being able to look quickly and assess how you're going to set up your troops on the terrain. Our modern formations for combat, for the most part, are defective because they cast all in the same mold. I really like this part.

He's saying, look, it's not always the same. What we say right now is, hey, everyone lines up here. Reality is that doesn't want to. work. We can't do that. If an army is really to be camped according to the rules of war, it is essential that each arm should be placed in a locality where it can act. That means you've got to have flexibility in what you're doing. That's what it means. Now he talks about detachments. How and why they should be made. There is an ancient rule of war that cannot be repeated often enough hold your forces together make no detachments and when you want to fight the

enemy reassemble all your forces and seize every advantage to make sure of your success this rule is so certain that most of the generals who have neglected it have been punished promptly so he's saying don't separate your forces and we i've talked about this before because that's what i believed are there times where you separate your forces yes there are you have to be prudent you have to be smart And he well here's the dichotomy he says the same thing the subject of detachments is extremely delicate None should be made except for good reasons Right none should be made except for good reasons if you're acting offensively an open enemy country and are only Master of some strong point so

Again this is something I talk about all time once you've got your forces separated on the battlefield it can get problematic very very quick So keep your forces consolidated as much as you can. How does that translate into the business world? Well Be careful when you start breaking off little chunks of your company to go and explore new territory because when you break off chunks you get a little bit weaker So don't do that well when you do it I'm not saying don't do it. He's not saying don't do it When you do it understand the risks that are being taken. That's what you have to do. Yeah and it and that's good it is funny like You kind of how you said that where it's like no, you know, basically the idea that it's like this is the hard and fast rule, but you know, kind of thing. Yeah.

That is a good way to put it because if you don't say it like that or you don't present it like that, it kind of in a way makes you think, well, I can bend that rule then, you know? And it kind of, it's like the people might be too cavalier about the whole thing about making the exception, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. So yeah. I got a question for you. in how does this apply to jiu jitzu like what a specific move

okay so actually i'll use your example which has stuck with me from the first time you said it by the way that don't don't put your elbow across your midline of your body right i like i like where you're going like the child's in the game you're like okay and actually you gave an example of this but okay so that you uh you should never put your arm across your chest you should never do it Once in a while and I will almost say not even every once in a while I'll just say there is an exception

Yeah, where you know and I think you had a situation with Dean where you're like He messed you up but you thought about it later or no no he told me later oh okay oh here you have to do something that I've told you never to do here you have to do it's from the mount it's from you turn so far that you that there's an escape Where I was good when I was gonna talk about this with the way this applies to jih Tijuana this specific You're talking about something else that does apply to jih Tzu. This applies to jih Tutsu. Picture this You're a one body right when you're doing jiu jitsu it is Highly advantageous to keep your arms and your legs close to your body especially your arms right? You don't stick your arm out right? What happens when you stick your arm out? It's out there by itself and it gets taken over It's our lock does get taken over yet so so you don't do that you you keep your arms and close to your body and that's where you Fabio

used to say make like your arms come out of your belly oh yeah like you don't even have shoulders like your elbows just come out of your belly that's how you should keep your arms and I I've always obeyed that rule except there are times when yes you got to reach out and you got to make another move happen so as much as you can you keep your forces consolidated as a body as a human yeah occasionally you got to step them out yeah so but yeah if you when you put it like that it's it's pretty clear that it's like, hey, this isn't like some ambiguous rule. That's the rule.

Keep your arms in. That's the rule. And then, remember the Golden Child? You ever watch The Golden Child? I don't know what that is. It's just called the Golden Child, this old school 80s movie. But he was like, hey, stay on the path. He was like, hey, you got to walk on these like stumps in the dark and get this glass of water, this Buddha thing, I think. And he's like, hey, stay on the path. You got to stay on the path.

That's it. That's the only advice I can give you, I think there's something else. But that was it. So he stays on the path right and there's this weird rope bridge. And he, right as he gets off the rope bridge, burst into flames. And he's like, hey, I thought you told me to stay on the path. And he said, yes, but you got to know when to break the rules. That's it, right? Epic lessons learned from Eddie Murphy.

Eddie Murphy, Golden Shell. It's true, man. It's true. All right. So no problem. We can come at people from different angles. I'm sure there's someone that's listening the podcast was like, oh, now I get it. It's true.

whoever you are out there Echo Charles has got your back All right This is a great section This is a great section The talents that a general must have And then it talks about Spies and rooses and Strategiums of War

But here we go Talents that a general must have A perfect general like Plato's Republic is a figment of the imagination. Either would be admirable, but is not characteristic of human nature to produce beings exempt from human weakness and defects.

The finest medallions have a reverse side. Dang. I like that. So, yeah, there's no such thing as a perfect leader. Everyone has weaknesses. But then he says, the finest medallions have a reverse side. And I don't know if you remember me saying this.

I've said it before. I'll say it again. Oftentimes people's biggest strength is also their biggest weakness. Right? So if you got a guy that's super aggressive and that's what makes him such a good for a certain job, they also can be too aggressive. So there's a bunch of examples like that. But the finest medallions have a reverse side.

Even if you think about what your personal best quality is, like you've got to watch out because it can be out of balance. If you let it go too far. Hmm. Now he says this, but in spite of this awareness of our imperfection, it is not less necessary to consider all the different talents that are needed by an accomplished general. These are the models that one attempts to imitate and which one would not try to approach if they were not presented to us.

So he's like, hey, look, even though we can't be perfect, we should still look and see what perfect is so that we can at least try and get there. wrong with that here we go it is essential that a general should dissemble while appearing to be occupied so what he's saying is you got it to attach working with the mind and working with the body and here he goes into a good list right here ceaselessly suspicious while affecting tranquility so you act like you're calm but you should constantly be suspicious of what is happening Here's a solid one saving of the blood of his soldiers and not squandering it except for the most important interests

Take care of your people informed of everything that makes sense always on the lookout to deceive the enemy and careful not to be deceived himself Makes sense in a word he should be more than industrious active and and indefatigable not forgetting one thing to execute another and above all not despising those sorts of little details which pertain to great projects so you got to be more than just like hardworking you got to be more than active and he goes into a little clarity around some of these Here we go back to the book The dissimulation of the general Consists of the important art of hiding his thoughts

Now this is this is one of those things where people start to freak out a little bit Because because these days everyone throws around the transparency word right Everyone should be transparent It's like actually no you you shouldn't be transparent all the time Yeah And in fact you know that's why I talk about controlling your emotions all the time and that's why it's so powerful If if you're getting mad at someone and you show them that you're getting mad well then you're giving away your hand and now they're gonna get mad at you and it's just a problem Yeah, so you need to you need to not do that you need to not be transparent

Yeah, and this he goes into brilliant explanations as to why you can't just be transparent Hiding you need be hiding his thoughts. Okay, he should be constantly on the stage and should appear most tranquil most trained most trained most trained When he is most occupied for the whole army speculates on his looks on his gestures and on his mood So when you're walking around and you're panicking guess what everyone on the team is looking at you going what's going on why is the boss panicking Yeah If he is seen to be more thoughtful than customary The officers will believe he is incubating some project of consequence If his manner is uneasy they believe that

affairs are going badly and they often imagine worse than the truth. You got to stay calm. You got to put on the little mask over your little emotions. And he says, these suppositions become the rumors of the army and this army gossip is certain to pass over to the enemy's camp. It is necessary, therefore, that the personal conduct of the general should be so well-reasoned that his dissimulation will be so profound that no one can ever penetrate. it if he fears that he cannot master his expression so no one should ever know what

you're thinking unless you want them to know that right unless you want to give it to him because I say this all the time you can't just be without emotions yeah you can't if you if you come to me and you're all mad I just can't be like calm down no I can't do that I need to I need to yeah I need to give you some of that yeah so I'm not saying never be emotion but you better control them they better be the emotions you want to show yeah and then he says this this is this is funny talking about the the general if he fears that he cannot master his expression either he can pretend to be ill or he should make an excuse of some

personal trouble to explain his appearance to the public you know yeah that's pretty funny yeah that's actually when you think about it like a lot of us kind of do that like what like you know oh I'm just tired or something like that you know like if you like if a girl's crying or something or something like this Oh, no, I just had something in my eye. It's kind of the same thing. They're like, oh, I'm just... It's getting dusty in here.

Yeah, there's something else wrong with me that's understandable, you know? It's not me crying or nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to bring up an excuse, but that's different. You know, when you're doing jih Tzu with someone and they're like, yeah, you know, I just got them. That's all you hear, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuse, excuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't tell me that. Yeah. but that's that's interesting advice that shows you how important it is you know if you're if you're willing to do like skip work because you don't want people to see you're freaking out I don't recommend that but hey I can't come into them sick yeah I think the opposite actually happens home over yeah well that's what they'll say if they're hungover you know what people in the teams I would say people do the opposite and they have like problems at home it's like calling and sick like I can't make it say well they're

dude is like crying because they're gonna be scrap with their old lady all right this is this is brilliant right here above all when he has received some bad news he should treat it as a trifle and show the number of resources which he has to retrieve it it's basically good that's that's saying good when somebody when you have when you receive some bad news oh good bring it that's he saying the exact same thing while never despising his enemy in the bottom of his heart he should never speak of him except with scorn and compare carefully the advantages of our troops over the others so he's actually saying look he's doing the opposite he's

like I don't even hate my enemy but I'll never let anyone know that I don't completely despise them right right that's pretty funny this is good if some detachment is unfortunate in the war he should examine the cause and after having determined the reason for the fault he should instruct his officers concerning it in this fashion a few minor misfortunes will never discourage the troops and they will always preserve the feeling of confidence in their ability so when something goes wrong you don't freak out you just look okay well let's take a look at what we're wrong there and then we'll fix it and then it won't be a problem anymore that's how you handle a

problem when someone doesn't do well back to the book Look, secrecy is so necessary for a general that the ancients have even said that there was not a human being able to hold his tongue. But here's the reason for that. If you form the finest plans in the world but divulge them, your enemy will learn about them. And then it will be very easy for him to parry them. The general plan of the campaign should be communicated at most to the officer responsible for supplies. And the rest of the details should not be told to officers except when the time has come to execute. them when there are generals detached and you must write to them the letter should be completely in code

if your enemy intercepts one you will not have betrayed yourself this is clearly something that applies to that type of warfare back in the day but it applies to life as well I mean when you open your mouth Yeah, yeah you might as well just you might as well just put it on Twitter because everyone's gonna know about it yeah yeah the Kind of where and they always say it before they say something of Consequence they'll say hey don't tell anyone this but hey I'm gonna do this or I feel this or whatever and then sure enough They go and it's the same thing hey I'm not supposed to tell you this but you know blah blah blah Yeah, yeah yeah sure enough this bad bad bad bad

Completely just got told I'm not supposed to tell you this. Yeah, that's why yeah Because you don't say everybody yeah there's old hardcore band burking the day I think it was I think it was wrecking crew from Boston and they used to have t-shirts just big letters on the t-shirts on the back trust no one sure I had one yeah that actually sounds familiar like I might have seen a shirt like that before I don't know if you saw that shirt maybe other people made it because they probably there's probably like 12 of those shirts back there's not something echo Charles would have seen on the island of Kauai yeah in 88 no I've probably not loose lips sink

ships right that's the deal there you go see so we do say that you are correct back to the book it is absolutely necessary to change your methods often and to imagine new decoys if you always act in the same manner you will soon be interpreted for you are surrounded with 50,000 curious who want to know everything that you think and how you are going to lead them that's pretty cool it's interesting what what's kind of interesting about that is he's not even talking about the enemy he's talking about your own people You know you got to think of new things

And this is clearly is something I always try to explain people in jiu jitzu is The thing that you're going for is not going to work you you have to use the you have to use create new decoys you have to try new things or else you're not gonna catch people It's the way it works now here we get Nick I'm I'm glad that I'm Laif and I just got done writing a book called the dichotomy leadership because Here we go the commander should practice kindness and severity should appear friendly to soldiers speak to them on the march visit them while they are cooking ask them if they are well

care for it and alleviate their needs if they have any officers without experience in war should be treated kindly their good action should be praised small request should be granted them and they should not be treated in a manner in an overbearing manner manner so there you go it's like that's all good right that's the kind Part which we're down with that and that's again that's why when I talked about why people would listen to this guy one of the reasons because he took care of his people

Yeah he was out there seeing what problems they had how can we get those problem fixed and then he says but severity is maintained about everything regarding the service The negligent officer is punished the man who answers back is made to feel your severity by being reprimanded with authoritative error that superiority gives pillaging or argumentative soldiers or those who whose obedience is not immediate immediate should be punished so there you go dichotomy you got to hold a line but at the same time don't hold that line so tight that it snaps which you can do the general can even discuss the war with some of his core commanders who are the most intelligent and permit them to express their sentiments freely in conversation so when I was talking about how he was just every

Listen to me. Blind obedience is what I require. Here he's saying, no, actually listen to your people. If you find some good things among what they say, you should not remark about it then, but make use of it. When this has been done, you should speak about it in the presence of many others. It was so-and-so who had this idea. Praise him for it. This modesty will gain the general, the friendship of good-thinking men, and he will more easily find persons who will speak.

their sentiments sincerely to him boom so that thing that macho thing in the beginning was not true mm-hmm this is what's true yeah you want to you want to have he's he's the reason that he's doing this is because he wants people to speak their mind to him that's the reason why he's doing this think about that it's also it's also interesting that because I've I say this you've heard me talk about how like it's whenever someone's right and I'm wrong I'm happy because if you're right and I'm wrong I can be like Oh man echo that's really good job man. That's you really pointed that out and it and it it shows you that I'm humble

Yeah, because otherwise you're just like oh do you Jocco thinks he's right all the time? No no echo man you're right. I'm wrong. That's good job. Hey, appreciate you Straighten me out on that right. Right? Yes, you are right actually. Yeah And so that's what he's saying is it actually gives you the opportunity to be modest and to be humble. Yeah Because sometimes it can be hard when you're right all the time. Yeah and you're used to that feeling and Yeah, and the reason I think is kind of funny because I can imagine or I can kind of remember a few times where you're like, yeah, yeah, you are correct, you are correct, and you'll say that, you are correct.

Yeah, I'm kind of happy when you're right. Yeah, like, and that's what I feel. I feel like, yeah, I'm sort of talk to talk to a little something just not small, small, but it's there. It's something. And now it's like, all right, well, that's one of the tactics, I guess. Yeah. But it's no work.

So I guess am I over here just manipulating, You put it this way. I'm glad to be here. You know, so I and that helps. Let me answer that question for you. And we've talked about this before. If if the reason I was doing it was so that like I could get something out of you. Right. That would benefit me and not benefit it and hurt you. Then yeah, it'd be manipulation. But if it's like, hey, we're just trying to build. We're trying to make something happen. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's all good in my opinion. Kind of gives me room to talk to which is empowering. You know, sure. Hey, I abuse it from the time to time. I understand. But there was there was. There was. There was. There was. There was. Would you say the last podcast was an example of that? Abute, it was bordering on abuse. Oh, no, I brushed against abuse. Over the line. Over the line. Over the line.

Was it the body moving through space part? I don't know what it was. I drank some of that discipline and I was on that white tea and... Listen to this. I'm just saying. You know what you need to do right now. What? Own it.

Don't blame the white tea. Don't blame the discipline that I got your brain firing correctly. I think you are correct. People are going to cut you off. I think like don't get them anymore yeah I told you I've been pounding that stuff the can well well it's tasty noted assimilated assimilated back to the book the principal task of the general is mental large projects and major arrangements but since the best dispositions become useless

if they are not executed it is essential that the general should be industrious to see whether his orders are executed or not again just because you see Say go make this happen doesn't mean it's gonna happen Mm-hmm you gotta get out there and make sure it happens moving on Here's a here's a line you can just you can just you can just you can just print this up Skepticism is the mother of security That's legit Even though only fools trust their enemies prudent persons never do

The general is the principal sentinel of his army think about that the general is the principal sentinel of his army Think about that the general is the Principal sentinel of the army the guy that's the guy that's keeping everyone safe is the general He's the primary watchstander for everyone He should always be careful of its preservation and that is never exposed to misfortune One falls into a feeling of security after battles when one is drunk with success and when one believes the enemy Completely disheartened So we all know that mm-hmm you know when that happens you know what Jeff Higgs told me? I

If you tap a guy out, like if it's if you have someone that like legit you have you have battles with on the map and you tap them out You step you up what right after they're gonna step it up bringing it you're all relaxed. You're all celebrating your victory Yeah don't do it step it up they're coming hard. Yeah, you do that to me all the time. Yes sir. I try to You always get crazy Hey back to that um the one you're saying before this about you know how like you Let them talk or whatever. Yeah. The opposite of that is if if you know, let's say when you're subordinates or whoever like says something to you and then you respond with the opposite of what you do with this either tone or words that basically say, oh, I already knew that. You know, I already knew that. Like you don't have to tell me kind of thing. I already knew that. People will do that even just on a real small, even on a social level sometimes. And it does make you not want to talk to them that much. Yeah, for sure. It the the idea of.

Saying I already knew that yeah is not good yeah that's an extreme obvious case But what's funny about that can say that yeah yeah a tone can say but also I already knew that You didn't know it if you would have known it you would have said it yeah most likely like that's an 80% sure 20% of the time You might be like hey jaco arm locks work from the guard too I'd be like I even then I wouldn't say already knew that I'd be like you know what yeah that's it that's something definitely good to consider yeah you know that's sort of a general principle that But I totally agree with, you know, something like that. Just not, I already knew that. Yeah, or well, of course.

Yeah. Or, you know, duh, that's extreme. But well, of course, that's the one where they're like, yeah, of course. You know what forces those words out of your mouth? What? Your ego. Yeah. It's your ego because you don't want that person to have that piece of information that you didn't have.

Right. So you just, I already do that. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes it's hard. Yeah. I mean, I can't say that it's not natural. I mean, it feels, you know, especially if you did already know it, it's like, oh, I don't

him to think that I didn't know that when I really did kind of thing like I don't want him to think I'm like not knowing what you need to do is you need to trust you need to trust the nature of the world and the nature of the world is that you will eventually be seen as someone that actually does know that yeah clearly you know that yeah trust the nature of the world trust the nature of the world all right here's another situation one falls into a feeling of security when a skillful enemy amuses you you with pretend peace proposals. One falls into a feeling of security by mental laziness and through lack of calculation concerning the intentions of the enemy. Mental laziness. Just say no to the mental laziness. To proceed, and now he gives instructions of how to overcome these situations.

To proceed properly, it is necessary to put oneself in his place and say, what would I do if I were the enemy? What project could I find? form make as many as possible of these projects examine them all and above all reflect on the means to avert them if you find yourself unable put it right at once so look at you even when you win okay well if I were the enemy what would I do right now and if you can't figure out how to solve what you think the enemy is gonna do then correct it right now often through an hour's neglect and unfortunate delay losing a reputation that has been acquired with a great deal of labor always presume that the enemy has dangerous designs and always be forehanded with the remedy so you got to be careful of what the enemy is gonna do you've always got to imagine that the enemy is ready for you got to be ready for that that's got to be your mindset and that's an extreme mindset

like the enemy's always waiting and ready yeah and you can go too far with that mindset there's a dichotomy and here's the dichotomy of it back to the book But do not let these calculations make you timid. So just because you're thinking about the enemy might do this, the enemy might do this, that could overwhelm you. You'd be like, you know what, screw it, I'm not going to do anything. Yeah. No, don't let these calculations make you timid. Circumspection is only good to a certain point.

A rule that I practice myself and which I have always found good is that in order to have rest oneself is necessary. It is necessary to keep the enemy occupied if you want to arrest yourself you got to keep the enemy occupied You got to put your competitor you got to put your competitor on their heels If you want to get any rest all you got to put your competitor on their heels Then he says this throws them back on the defensive and once they are placed that way they cannot raise up again during the entire campaign You just go you when you get that lead on someone you put them down That's one of the thing I noticed in in MMA Like someone will say oh you won that last round you got this no no actually don't say that to your corner

Yeah be like hey he that guy's gonna step it up he's gonna come out harder this is the round that he's wanting He's coming after you you need to step it up you didn't win that round especially in MMA you never know who won the round because the judges are so horrible Okay, continuing on back to the book if you wish to be loved by your soldiers husband their blood and do not lead them to slaughter So that's an obvious statement, right? But he talks about that in detail. That's important. They can be spared by shortening the battle by means that I shall indicate, by the skill with which you choose your points of attack in the weakest localities,

in not breaking your head against impracticable things which are ridiculous to attempt, in not fatiguing the soldiers uselessly and in sparing him in sieges and battles. So he's saying you got to take care of your men You got a husband their blood and not lead them to slaughter But the way you do that is by attacking the weak locations Is I you know how many times you heard me say like don't blink bang your head against the wall 47 times like you 47? Okay, that's the limit yeah Okay 48th you got to find a different way that's what he's saying

Don't just keep banging your bringing your head against impractable things Don't do that and here he says this when you see to be most prodigal of soldiers blood you spare it however by supporting your attacks well by pushing them with the greatest vigor to deprive time of the means of augmenting your losses so what is he saying there he's saying that the times sometimes it might seem like you're being most wasteful of of the blood of your soldiers but it's in those times where it seems that way the way the reason it seems that way is It's because you're being super aggressive.

It's because you're setting up your attacks. You're supporting them well and you're being default aggressive. Husband, their blood, that's like care of it. Take care of them. Yeah, take care of it. Like it's yours kind of thing. Yeah, take care of it.

And then he's saying when you seem to be most prodigal of your soldier's blood, that means when you're wasteful of your soldier's blood, you spare it by supporting your attacks. Well, that makes sense, by pushing them with the greatest. Vigor that makes sense because if you guys are going at it half ass guess what's not gonna work out well for him Rules of war are of great usefulness Or sorry rooses of war are of great usefulness

Rooses of war so this is like tricks right? They are detours Listen to this they are detours which often lead more surely to the objective than the wide road which goes straight ahead So what is he saying there? Don't do the frontal assault on the enemy's strong point. Use tricks. Use flanks. And here he just breaks it down. Animals have only one method of acting, but intelligent men have inexhaustible resources.

These resources are infinite in number. Their object is to hide your veritable design and to catch the enemy in the trap you have prepared for him. thus the contrary of what one wishes to do is feigned. If you open the campaign, you have your troops march and countermarch so that the enemy cannot learn the locality where you assemble. If it is a question of capturing cities, you encamp in a place which makes him fearful for two or three cities of his at the same time being attacked. If he hastens to one flank, throw yourself on the other.

This is obvious stuff. Seems obvious. But what are you doing when you're when you're setting up a triangle, right? You've got the arm bar. You put the person in the threat of the arm bar and the triangle and the sweep all at the same time. You set up camp in between three cities and they don't know which one you're going to attack and they got to defend all of them or they got to try to defend all of them. So when they hasten to defend the arm bar, that's when you should. Throw yourself on that triangle. On that triangle. You outwit the enemy to force him to fight or to prevent him from it.

So he's saying that the two ways to outsmart the enemy is you either make the enemy fight when he doesn't want to, or you prevent him from fighting when you don't want to fight. And here he talks, this is basically a reverse psychology is what he's about to go into right now. There are two means of forcing the enemy to fight. One is pretending to fear it. His self-confidence becomes your accomplice. Security lulls him into... Security lulls him and your cunning triumphs. So if you act like you're afraid, maybe the person's going to fight you.

When it's desired to avoid battle, different ruses are used and apparent war is made, which has all the actions of the offensive and which nevertheless is of an opposite nature. So he's saying there, if you don't want to fight, You act like you want to fight. That's all he's saying in a bunch of words. It is your attitude that imposes on your enemy and the suspicion that you give him that you are forming the boldest projects against him.

The attitude is maintained by not withdrawing easily before the enemy. And often the appearance that you are waiting for him will make him lose all desire to attack you. But if he does come, you steal away by a night march which you had already planned long before. He thinks he has you and the next day there's no one if you only withdraw You will be fought followed but but then it is necessary to take position to the flank which will prevent him from passing you without running into great danger

This sort of war is a masterpiece of the Austrians and it is from them that it should be learned So act aggressively and plan your escape that's kind of the key thing because if you just act aggressively you might get called on it right and he's saying act aggressively but plan your escape while you're acting aggressively this is going to sound like this isn't an example because we all are too familiar with it but here's the thing when it first came when this tactic first came out there's a good example that very thing so at the bar guy wants to fight you right that's what you want to fight me you want to fight me okay tell your friend hey hold me back hold me back hold me back right you want to fight yeah let's fight let's fight let's fight let's fight hold me back hold me back home friends holding them back

he wants to fight the guy's like oh shoot this guy wants to fight whatever and be like hey meet me outside We're gonna fight outside Meet me outside one minute. I don't want to fight in here You know but I'm ready kind of thing He goes outside and meets a guy It's like guy's gone you don't got to fight Oh yeah yeah act at all aggressive Yeah and then when he went outside to fight you

If he even wants to go outside to fight you You might be like man this guy's kind of crazy He was down to fight to all quick So I might not go out there But when he does finally go out there he's gone Is it an unwritten like rule That if you go to get to fight I'm gonna try and hold you back

Because you can't, like, whisper to something like, hold me back. I know, but back in the day before everyone knew that tactic, it's kind of like that was a good tactic. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying, is it the general rule to just hold people back? Like, hold your friend back from getting in a fight. It depends on your circles. Because if you've ever been with someone who's like, I'm not going to hold you back, go. You want to.

Oh, yeah, 100%. One of my buddies who's a badass team guy. Somebody was talking smack. Another seal was talking smack. He's like, I'll go kick. that guy's ass. Yeah. Thinking that my buddy would be like,

no, you know, don't. I'll hold you back. He was like, go ahead. Yeah, that's all. What are you waiting for? He's right over there. Yeah. Why don't you go get him?

You're running your mouth. Yeah. Oh, I really gonna do this. Yeah. So don't run your mouth is the key point there. Yeah. See, so I feel like that's kind of like a response to that old school tactic.

Yeah, no, that's a good response to the old school tactic. If you come out with me and you want to go after someone, I'm going to let you go. Yeah. I'm like, oh, go get some. See what you got. Because I don't like people when they're running their mouth. You know what I mean?

I don't think anyone does. Yeah. Yeah, we had a guy in our football team. It's weird that everyone knows no one likes people that run their mouths, but there's a bunch of people in the world that run their mouths. Yeah. Explain that one. We all know it. It's kind of like the name dropping thing, right?

It's harder to see it in yourself than it is to see in other people. It's like easy to see it in other people. Oh, I hate when the guy runs his mouth. Meanwhile, like, like, that's all you do kind of thing. It's hard to see it in yourself and easy to see it. I think that's one of those things. That's what I think. Yeah.

But who knows? Yeah. Good point. That is that you just, once again, for that guy that's listening, he just nailed it. He's like, oh, got it. I'll tell you what, this book was, I don't know if it's the translation or whatever, but there's definitely some long, complicated sentences that were a little bit tricky for me. Sure.

Had to read a few times. Back to the book there and let me by saying that what I mean is like sometimes you know a movie from 1987 is a better example I dig it that's what that's what you're here for it's real of here Yep there is another ruse which is that if you find the enemy too strong to attack him You help him with the means of dividing his forces so basically if you can get people to split up if you can get your enemy to split up that's a a good tactic as well there's another type of ruse which is admirable it is that of double spies it is necessary to know them and then tell them with an air of good faith everything that you want the enemy to know so there you go it is essential to know what is happening among amongst the enemy i am of the opinion that the best thing against the austrians will be to bribe some captain or major for their hussars by means of whom intelligence can be carried on with them and there's a reason why I'm talking about this so he's talking about spies and

this is kind of old school but I I brought that part up so I could do this part right here if greed for silver does not work it is necessary to employ fear sees some mayor of a village where you camp and force him to take a disguised man who speaks the language of the country and under some pretext to conduct him as his servant in the enemy army Threaten him that if he does not bring your man back, you will cut the throat of his wife and children whom you hold under guard while waiting, and that you will have his house burned. I was obliged to employ this sad expedient in Bohemia, and it succeeded for me. In general, it is necessary to pay spies well, and not to be miserly in that respect. A man who risks being hung in your service merits being well paid.

so Frederick the great we know he we know he liked music and literature but guess what he was no stranger to just having your family's throats cut and burning the house down yeah ruthless so he's saying be well paid

like it's kind of like hey if you listen like a carrot in the stick situation where it's like okay if you listen if you're all good you get paid well if not you get your house burned down and your kids wife slit throats yep

He's saying if you can use the carrot if the carrot works. That's great if you can make someone greedy That's like all right. You know what I'll get this information for you because I'm greedy. That's cool if you can't get that Time to use fear. Yeah, that's kind of give them no choice kind of situation Yeah, and You know that's what's what's scary about that is that's goes on today. That's what a lot of the jihadists would do They would they would kidnap or they would take someone and say look you either run the suicide bomb in this building or we're gonna kill your family All of them and burn your house down and and you know the people make that horrible choice. Yeah and that well even that that's more the sticks like Oh that's complete stick. Remember the ma the like apparently the like on the mafia movies and stuff. They're like hey they're paying off this guy

But if he's like if he doesn't want to play the game anymore then they kill him you know it's kind of like that like that right basically No it's two different things. So if you can get someone that does will do what you want to do for money that's great yeah if you can't get anyone to do that then you got to go yeah yeah there's a little cutting yeah but I guess you're right that someone could say hey I'm done and then you go oh no you're not done right right yeah the mafia the mafia thing like yeah you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna keep doing this no I'm not people get involved in situations like that that they shouldn't have got involved in and it all seems okay yeah it all seems okay in the beginning yeah one side or the other because either side whether you're criminal or you're whether you go to help a

criminal or you go to help the cops out like you think it's gonna be hey It's just gonna go good. It's not. You're gonna end up in a bad situation. You're in a bad way. So the expression, getting into bed with whatever. Whatever. Yeah, it's not gonna work out. Kind of that situation. I never wanted to be a spy of any kind. You never did.

Never wanted to be a spy of any kind. Never watched James Bond and was like, I'd really like to do that. Never watched a spy movie and thought, like, I don't know. I don't like the, I don't like that whole. Paranoia like undercover cops too. I'm sure we'll get somebody that's done deep undercover I never had like that I don't I don't like to I don't want to fabricate everything like that all the time Yeah, it's just hard me props to them like undercover cops that's a crazy job yeah imagine it bro imagine Imagine going in right you're undercover deep cover you go in and you don't know if the guy knows

Oh I know because that's how right like this sure especially these organized crime bosses I don't want how it is on the movies anyway where when they find out it's like a lot of times they don't just oh what you know no no no crew they set them up yeah yeah that's uh I never had the desire to do that some people really like that stuff I never had the desire to do that I never had the desire to do that yeah remember swordfish watch that movie swordfish yeah that happens anyways it's like a cross and a double cross anyway yeah we'll talk about that some other time you know what let's let's let's let's let's let's tee it up for a whole podcast we'll go back to the book I'll like that Check in neutral countries it is necessary to make friends if you can win over the whole country so much the better The friendship of the neutral countries gained by requiring the soldiers to observe good discipline and by picturing your enemies as barbarous and bad intentioned Solid solid advice right? Oh, this is good Let no one imagine that it is that it is sufficient just to move an army of about to make the enemy regulate himself on your movements.

So you can't just think to yourself, hey, my moves are enough and I'm doing and it's going to have the impact that I wanted to have. A general who has too presumptuous confidence in his skills runs the risk of being grossly duped. That's what this is. Don't let your ego get out of control. is not an affair of chance. A great deal of knowledge, study, and meditation is necessary to conduct it well, and when blows

are planned, whoever contrives them with the greatest appreciation of their consequences will have a great advantage. However, to give a few rules on such a delicate matter, I would say that in general, the first of two army commanders who adopts an offensive attitude almost always reduces his rival to the defensive and makes him regulate himself on his movements. What does that mean? It means default aggressive. It means go.

That's what it means. Unskillful generals race to the first trap set before them. I just had a guy on Twitter say, I'm a white belt, but tonight I swept a blue belt. It wasn't really that good, though, because he arm locked me quickly thereafter. And I was like, you didn't sweep him. You got set up. Welcome to Jiu-Jitsu. So same thing.

Don't race for the first trap that's set before you. This is why a great advantage is drawn from knowledge of your adversary. And when you know his intelligence and character, you can use it to play on his weaknesses. Everything which the enemy least expects will succeed the best. That's true. A hundred percent. That's why when you get, like, when you think about when you get caught in Jiu-Jitsu, I would say most of the time it's getting caught with something that you didn't expect, right?

Some people, Dean can do things and like he's going to get it and you know it's coming. Like you hear Hicks and stories. Hicks and be like, I'm going to arm lock everyone's left arm and they'd line up 20 black belts and you'd arm lock everyone's left arm. Yeah. But most of the time, it's something that you least expect. Yeah. And there's kind of two things. And I think weird, strangely, I was just thinking about this yesterday, where there's,

Like there's two kind of ways where you'll get caught. So if you want to use Dean as the example and then the unexpected example. If you get caught by someone like when Dean does that, where it's like, oh, I'm going to get you with this. What he does is the equivalent of, let's say like, I don't know if you know. And he might not literally say that, but you know it's coming. I mean, I do this to you, right? Where you're like, oh, he's about to come here to me.

Yeah. Like you know it's coming. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the situation that we're talking about. Yes. Example one. Yes.

So it's like, okay, if you're on the battlefield or whatever, you have a defense. here, you know, a defensive position there, a defensive position there, a defensive position there, and they're all protecting ultimately, like one guy's protecting this guy, this guy, this guy's protecting this guy and this guy, you know, kind of thing. So it's like, you can't get to this guy without going through this situation, right? And what Dean essentially does is he shuts down all your defenses for this thing two moves ahead of you. So it's like, okay, I'm going to try to pass the guard, but to pass the guard, how is he going to

defend? So he shuts that down before you even realize, like, oh, yeah, that he's going to try to pass the guard. Yeah, he's a few steps ahead. Yes. So when he goes for these moves... When I'm getting the Khmer on you, it's not the Khmer itself that got you. It was a minute ago when you left your arm out and I isolated it because I was going for a choke and I end up doing that. Yes.

Right. And then your other arms tied up under your heavy-ass knee because that's part of the defense, but you already knew that. Two moves ago, you already knew that. So that you shut those down. And that's what Dean's good at a lot of time. Especially as, and he has that weird good, like, pressure. Oh, yeah. So if your arm is like isolated, since you don't really do that. detect like immediate threat you're like dang my arm stuck but hey that's not it's kind of okay for right now I'll deal with it later but here's the thing no you're not going to do it later he just took care of that that big defense that you're going to need by the way and it's gone and it's gone and then by the time you get there you don't even know that you need it yet in in 20 seconds

in the future but he already eliminate that exactly right and that's the way it works there and the other ones are just like how you're saying where it's kind of like you know you attack this sweep and the arm bar and when they go to do Defend one or even both of them a lot of times because they're ready for it, you know? You went for the thing that you had planned already Dean does that when he'll like let someone try and Arm lock him or let him try him triangle and like they're a hundred percent not gonna arm lock him Yeah, but even me I'll be like maybe I can get it this one time Yeah, he continues on here back to the book if he relies for security on a chain of mountains that he believes is impracticable

And you pass these mountains by roads unknown to him. He is confused to start with And if you press him, he will not have time to recover from his consternation. That's actually a really good description of Jiu-Jitsu right there. Like, you're just confused. By the time you're trying to overcome your confusion and your concern, you're getting crushed. In the same way, if he places himself behind a river to defend the crossing and you find some forward above or below on which to cross, unknown to him, this will surprise and derange him and confuse him. I like that.

the art of war is divided between force and stratagem what cannot be done by force must be done by strategy and I actually was kind of unclear about the usage of the word stratagem and there's meanings of it to clarify the meaning a little bit more specifically it means like deception like trickery it's not just doesn't mean strategy it means like we're we're we're This is a trick scenario. Yeah, it kind of seemed like the root word of what strategy kind of maybe came from Well, yeah, I would definitely say that it's the same damn word So I'd say you've veiled that one Hold on, let me redo that that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, for sure

Man, I didn't see that thank you You know, see sometimes I don't follow my own guidance. That was one of them, huh? No, man, just Just huck and a dagger at you. Isn't that an exception though? Because you know how like everything, you know, you can do something too much. So like, you know, like if you're always encouraging me, I'm passing out dumb, obvious stuff. You know, all the time. You mean like strategy.

Yeah. Yes. Exactly. Okay. That's why I didn't try and fake it. You know, I kept it real. Yeah, man. You got to keep it real.

The dichotomy, man. The dichotomy. Check. Have your disposition supported well. Do not forget your reserves. Take advantage. of the terrain and then attack him brusquely and you should be able to hope for the most brilliant success if the heights are on your side this will be of great advantage

to you if they are not you have almost no hope of succeeding take the high ground or the high ground now he's talking about attacking the enemies entrenchment so the enemy's in a defended position if you have resolved to an attack an entrenched enemy do it at once and do not allow him to time to perfect his works so if you know you're gonna have to defend attack a defended position do it as quick as you can don't let them get their defenses all set up that's something that a lot of jihitzy players they especially I would say it's it's kind of the same thing but if you pass my guard I don't wait until you settle me across the side before I start escaping

as soon as I know I'm gonna lose that position I'm already escaping yeah and same thing if I pass your guard and then I let you get in your defensive position well it's gonna be hard to yank your arm out of there but there's a moment where your arms hanging out and if I go for it right then my probability for success is a lot higher yeah you got all mad one time like a couple months ago because I did that to you I like passion go wham arm lock and you and you were it was a straight there's something that bothered you about it yeah emotionally I don't know what it was oh I could tell you okay me reenact or recount The account?

Yeah. So I said to you, I said, you know what? Because you kept getting in with the guillotine. And I said to you kind of, I don't even know why I said this. But I did say that. I said, I think I got my defense against your Kimura and arm lock like your other arm moves. I think I got that down. I think I'm solid with those defending those.

But the guillotine, I'm still, you know, trying to figure out. I said something, I said that basically in so many words. And you were like, oh, okay. Oh, yeah. And then, yeah. Because that's funny to me deeply. It did. And yeah, and then you went in a little bit, you know, more sense of urgency or whatever.

And it was an arm bar that you did. That was almost a would have been a flying arm bar except if it was done within a scramble. So like you kind of did a little guard pass and you went to. And yeah, it came out of nowhere. You shouldn't have been capable of doing that in my opinion at the time. Well, I opened the game up. Sometimes I could open the game up a little bit. Yes, you did.

That's exactly. I love that part of Jiu-Jitsu. I love that part of Jit-to where you're going, like getting after. I've been training with Andy Hard, and we've both been opening up the game. I used to train with Dean like this all the time. We just didn't care. Suicidal. Every move was a suicide move.

Like, hey, I might just die after I do this move, but I'm going to do it anyways. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go full speed. And you just watch it. It would just be like a, like a Tasmanian devil. Just stuff going on. Yeah. I'm trying to train like that again right now. Yeah, and that's good because it's so fun.

In a way, you start to, it's almost like you guys are both doing offense and counters is what you're doing. You're not really defending technically much. Exactly. You know, you're just going to. And yeah, he's going for something. You're like, okay, because most news have a counter to it, you know, kind of thing. And you're just thinking, like, it's a real forward thinking, like, dynamic. Yeah.

Yeah, it is. It's fun. It's good. Yeah. And so, point being, once you get a little advantage on the enemy, take advantage, take further advantage of it. of it don't let them reset and resettle go you get a little advantage on your competitor go tear them apart attack harder it is the generals kudaya that must decide this if you attack a bull by the horns your task will be difficult and

perhaps will not succeed at all attack weak positions make sense and now he starts talking about so they talked about attacking an entrenchment or a defensive position now he's talking about setting up a defensive position and he says as I have already said and I repeat it that I would never put myself in an entrenchment at least unless a terrible misfortune such as the loss of a battle or a triple superiority on the part of the enemy forced me to do it so he's not going to dig in and try and defend he's going to be on offense all the time you know this is really essentially what the guard is people think you know you shouldn't be on the bottom in the guard that's a disadvantage It's a disadvantage. You would rather be on top and if you end up in the guard Well, that's because you ended up there by some gross misfortune of your own doing most likely or your other person Now have there are there some people out there that absolutely have a guard that's so crazy and offensive That it's it's kind of morph that a little bit. Yeah, yes that is true. Yeah, and that goes along with that and there's some people in combat That are so good at defending positions that they make it well,

Look at the Russians that their their whole strategy is basically pulling guard like yeah okay You come this way a little bit because what's where do you spend more gas defending guard or passing guard? Passing guard me too for sure. Yeah Trying to pass guard is a way more energy draw draws way more energy trying to pass someone's And when you're just when you're just holding and you adjust your hips and you adjust your hips well that's what the Russians do So their guard is just really, really good. They tax you a little bit and move back. They tax you a little bit, move back.

They tax you a little bit and move back. And by the time you get there, you're exhausted. Interesting. And you get caught. If you are inferior in numbers, do not despair of winning, but do not expect any other success than gained by your skill. So you can win when you're outnumbered, but you better have some serious skill. there are some generals who maintain that an army in position should be attacked in the center as for me I am of the opinion that it should be attacked at the weakest point They say that in breaking the center you separate the entire army and place yourself in a situation to gain the most brilliant advantages as for me

I repeat it I approve of all methods of attacking Provided they are directed at the point where the enemy's army is the weakest and where the terrain favors them The least attack weak points. This is important. The defensive positions is, again, he's talking about defense a little bit more. I would choose only unassailable positions or else I would not occupy them at all. For we have too many advantages in attacking to deprive ourselves of them gratuitously. Let me tell you what I took away from that.

This is something that I do all the time. And it might, it's like no big deal. It's no big deal. But when you think about it, it's, it's important. I choose I would only choose on a saleable positions or else I would not occupy them at all What does that mean to me what that means is if I don't know something a hundred percent I don't try and defend it with a hundred percent strength I see this all the time with businesses with human beings with people

They're not they don't know something a hundred percent But they're gonna they're gonna fall on their sword because of it and it's a total mistake There's there's green Very few things that I feel so knowledgeable about and I have such a good position on that my position is unassailable So why it doesn't take a it doesn't it doesn't you're not a bad person if you go you know what I'm not a hundred percent sure on that Yeah, here's my opinion, but it's just an opinion. Yeah Look at people that are the minute you throw down and you're in a position that

Is assailable meaning you can get your your butt kicked well then guess what you will someone's gonna come and do it Yeah, so just keep an open mind don't don't hunker down on positions that you're not even sure about Yeah, there you go that's all seems logical, but here's what's hard I think is because Usually that's in like some kind of me against you situation and I'm talking about obviously with just normal people Usually it's like some sort of a debate that you get into with somebody about something And it turns into this, okay, it's me against you. I'm right, you're wrong versus you're right and I'm wrong kind of thing.

And it just turns into that. So now it's like, now it's kind of some part in their brain kind of thinks, okay, if I say, hey, I'm not really sure. I just gave up the battle. I just gave up. Yeah. This whole battle that kind of started between us. And don't start there. The key part of this is don't start with I'm right and you're wrong.

Start with, you know what? I'm not too infirm about this subject. Can you fill me in? And by the way, the more you talk as we learned, the more you talk, the more I know about your position and my position yeah I'm gonna let you talk yeah but that is given the given the given the circumstance that your brain your mind isn't in a me against you moan yes because you don't walk around in that mode that there is the the miss step there's a there's a there's a there's a little dichotomy there too

you want to know why because I'm always me against you I'm me against everyone yeah but the way I actually win against you is to not defended an unassailable position yeah that's how I actually win and you have this thing where you're that's that's that's important important yeah and and that's not to mention how you always have well you seem to always have this mindset of like the bigger picture like a big you know you say like you don't necessarily you're not focused on little battles all the time you're more focused on the war so a little something we call detached yeah yes I don't really care about the thing that you're

actually fired up about I don't actually care yeah I care about a little tiny bit I only care about how it's gonna affect the long-term outcome of this broad strategy that I'm over here executing Yes. So see how you're you seem to be always aware of that. There's the misstep, I think, that people they get, what do you call it? When you get sucked into those. Target fixation. Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

That's not an easy thing to just not do. I'm just not going to do it. You know, it's not that easy, man. Whatever, you know. No, for you, though. I like it. Back to the book. I have not spoken yet of the reserve.

It should be commanded by a skillful general and it should be placed in a locality where he can see everything. So the reason I brought this up is to again counteract something he said in the beginning of the book, which is right here He should act on his own initiative And if he sees that one of the wings are in need of help he should conduct a reserve there without being called So again if much as he says he everyone who listen to me obey that's his macho statement The reality is he wants his he wants his reserve leader to like step up and make things happen without being told That's decentralized command That's how it has to be

I like this what is practiced in armies is done on a small scale with detachments So you got you got your big army they do the same thing that the little elements out there in the field do what's my primary example this Cover and move so when he says detachments he means he just means small little ell Yeah a big A company a platoon a battalion got you got you they're out there doing the same thing that the army's doing that the big Regiment division's doing Here's a good one a battle is lost less Less through the loss of men

Then by discouragement The another one the man who does things without motive or in spite of himself is either insane or a fool War is decided only by battles and it is not finished except by them Thus they have to be fought but it should be done But it should be Opportunity and with all the advantages on your side concur here's here's a good little section Reflections on the hazards and misfortunes of war When a general conducts himself with all prudence he can still suffer ill fortune

For how many things do not cooperate at all with his labors so yeah things are gonna go bad Whether harvest the officers the health or sickness of his true blunders the death of an officer on whom he counts discouragement of the troops exposure of your spies negligence of the officers who should rec rec an order the enemy and finally betrayal these are the things that should be kept continually before your eyes so as to be prepared for them and so that good fortune will not blind us you cannot be blinded by good fortune you're gonna get lucky sometimes he goes on about this more

If an important detachment is entrusted to a man of judgment and if this man should become sick or should be killed, there is all your business hung up. For no one should imagine that sound heads are common in armies. Yeah, guess what? It's really hard to find good leaders. Offensive generals are rare among us. I only know a few and nevertheless, it is only to these that this sort of detachment can be entrusted. Talking about aggressive. When he says offensive general,

he means aggressive generals. People are going to make things happen. So good. You know, if you're like a young person or an old person or you're a person listening to this, if you can make things happen,

it's like incredible. And you will go far in life. If you sit back and you wait for things to happen, it's not good and you won't go far in life. Nothing is going to just happen because you held your you crossed your fingers doesn't make anything happen

you have to make it happen you have to be an aggressive general and they're rare you know what there's actually not even any competition like there's no competition for it like if you're you're there you are such high if you're a person that can make things happen you are in such high

demand you're going to be set yeah there's just not that many people that will make things happen yeah and if you're one of them you're going to do great yeah that's true huh and you Hey, am I saying they got to step on toes and you got to be all agro and macho and Rano, no, I'm not saying that. You make things happen.

You do it tactfully and you're smart. You, the sky's the limit. Yeah. Because it's not like there's just this overabundance of people making. Hey, I work with businesses all the time. The, the every, every single business I work with is looking for good people that are going to make things happen. Yeah.

That's just all of them, 100%. I never went to a business. They're like, oh yeah, luckily, everyone here, we're mad at, we're mad at, maxed out with people that good good people that make things happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. No. Yeah.

So be a person that makes things happen. Yeah, and there's a difference, as far as what I can tell. There's a difference between someone who's grinding and working real hard at it and then someone who makes it happen. Because like, okay, when you kind of make it happen, sure, that usually takes work, I dig it, but at the end of the day, it's like, there are straight up results. Yeah, yeah, no, no. For sure. For sure. For sure.

Hey, the guy that works hard is cool too, but there's a difference. But there's a difference. You're right. There's a difference between some of that just makes things happen. Yeah. And they'll work, they'll do whatever. They'll make things happen.

They'll work hard. They'll grind hard. They'll maneuver. They'll go back. They'll revisit the whole plan. Yeah. To get the result. Make it happen.

Yeah. They're going to make it happen. Yeah. Remember I told the story about finding wine for my brother? Oh, yeah, yeah. That was the kind of the, I know, terrible example. I know, but at its core, it's the same thing. You ever seen the wine aisle?

It's huge. You're like you easily could say hey I didn't have that much time or whatever you know You just made it happen though crying I don't care I'll be there for one hour you're one of those people I'm trying I'm beginning I'm in the beginning I'm a light I'll at long yes yes sir it does Okay speaking of things happening by luck kind of mentioned that in considering fortuitous events and the chapter of accidents one can see that a general should be skillful and lucky and that no one should believe so fully in his star that he abandons himself to it blindly if you are lucky and trust in luck alone even if your

success reduces you to the defensive if you are unlucky you're already there so if you're counting on luck you're already on the defensive and if you're unlucky you're already on that and you know what I said to that is make your That's what I say yeah get out there and make your luck. Yeah You will have seen by what I have occasion to delineate concerning war that promptness And by promptness he's talking about speed promptness contributes a great deal to success in marches and even more in battles That is why our army is drilled in such fashion that it acts faster than others Violence of action is what they used to teach us in the seal teams

How cool is it when you're 19 years old and you're getting taught about violence of action? Yeah, seems pretty cool. If I heard this podcast and I was 18 years old and I heard someone saying when you got to the SEAL teams you get taught about violence of action, I would go sign up immediately Yeah, violence of action like go hard now. Yeah, that's what he's talking about. He calls it promptness We don't call it promptness. We call it violence of action. Yeah From drill these maneuvers, which enable us to form in the twinkling of an eye and from this that speed in all cavalry moments so again when I got to the seal teams they didn't say hey you need to learn to be able to move in the twinkling of an eye yeah I wouldn't have

been would have been down with that no no violence of action yes that's what's important as for any that was talking about cavalry now he talks about on foot as for the rapid step of the infantry and the attack and It is not the greater or lesser number of dead that decides an action, but the ground you gain. It is not the fire, but the bearing which defeats the enemy. So we say it's not like the shooting that does it. It's how aggressive you are.

And so now there's a caveat to that, which is like fire superiority is a real thing. And if you've been on the wrong side of fire superiority, you're not winning anything. But if you get aggressive, then that is one of the most powerful things on the battlefield. And that's exactly how you overcome when you're, when someone else has superior firepower on you or fire superiority on you, the way you overcome it is by aggressive action. By sending out someone to a flank and do something aggressive, move. That's what you have to do.

That's what you do to get out of there. And they taught us that's another thing they tell us. You get ambushed. Do you get someone's got fire superiority? What do you do? You attack. That's you, you attack. Still recommend that.

A couple more thoughts here from Frederick the Great. The general should make sure that new uniforms for the army arrive in time towards spring, that the captains provide shoes, that the wagons, cannon carriages, etc., of the army are repaired, as well as the saddles and boots of the cavalry. In a word, he should enter into all these details and himself visit the corridors to see what is going on there If the officers are drilling the recruits if they are working and to animate them with kind words and Reprimands to make them do their duty. So he's a guy that gets in there The guy that makes things happen as we've been talking about and he's also a person that really takes care of his people make sure that they are taking care of

If you take care of your people your people are gonna take care of you and he closes out and close out the Frederick the greats Thoughts right here. I had to pick something to close on. There's a lot of stuff, but I figured this one would would do a decent job It should be said to the shame of young men That debauchery and laziness often make them prefer ease To glory. So there you go and obviously once again I think we see that leadership is leadership and is leadership and in different times and different places and different battles and different circumstances The fundamental principles do not change

They do not change and and we do see them with different angles and you see different nuances and That provides us the ability to understand them with greater depth So that so that we can become better leaders is what is what I'm talking about here not maybe not a maybe not as great as for Frederick the great, but if we become better leaders, we can take better care of our teams. And if we take care of our teams, our teams will take care of us. And that is what leadership is.

Frederick the Great. Now, we make this podcast so that we can learn. And I learn a lot from this podcast, myself. And we also do it on a podcast so that other people can learn with us, which is, seems fair. And if anyone wants to help support the podcast, there's actually a bunch of different ways that you can do it, which we'll talk about.

And it's not just like, hey, just support the podcast. That's not, that's not the deal. No. It's more like just get in the game. Get in the game. Yes. Yes. That's what it's about.

Just support the podcast would be send, you know, send money. Or, hey, we're going to put the podcast behind a firewall. And if you want to get them, you give me money. That's not what we're saying. No. Because we're getting a lot of, we're already getting a lot of the podcast.

Yes, sir. So we're good. But if you want to get deeper into the game, that's cool. You can do that too. You can do that one way is our company, Origin USA. You can do it. Farmington Maine what is it American made products a hundred percent American made

Without compromise get some we got these and rash guards which are the best in the world Straight out no no doubt no doubt yeah factually. Oh it's factually the the the geese are made of a blend They're not a gie from nineteen fifty six which is what all other geese are Mm. Just geese from 1956. Yeah. Right? No.

Yeah. They're not. They're modern. Modern. Made for Jiu Jitsu. Yes. For Jiu Jitsu. Indeed.

Indeed. Yeah. Yeah. And also the joggers. I know. I know. But yes, the joggers most comfortable job. So.

Okay. And, you know, I consider myself a fancy myself as a connoisseur of comfort. Right. So I consider myself a connoisseur of suffering. Yes. So this is the dichotomy. There's a dichotomy even within the podcast. Within the group.

Yes, yes, yes. So if you are interested in that, I would recommend the joggers. Yeah. I'm not interested in it. So if you were interested, you can get them if not. Oh, by the way, you can jog in them too, by the way. Okay. Well, then I guess that ups the suffering level a little bit.

You can do suffering stuff in the comfortable joggers. That's kind of the key. Anyway, what else? Also, there's supplements there. Yeah. A bunch of different kinds. Sure. Yeah.

Joint warfare. Joint supplements. Yeah. So joint warfare is, and this is totally just me doing this, me categorizing it. So the krill oil, I always looked at like, okay, Omega 3s, that's for general health, you know. So joints and other stuff, by the way, your eyeballs. Other stuff, too. it's going to keep it

more in the game healthy, whatever. So your joints as they degenerate over time, boom, the omega-3 is from the krill oil, which is the best absorption, compared to fish oil and all these other supplements, which are fine, but krill oil is way better. Jocko Super krill oil, even better, more antioxidants, by the way, factually.

I always considered those as just general health. I did. And so the joint warfare, that's like, if you're getting nuts, doing jiu-jitsu, that's kind of the thing, right? Even when I first started Jiu-Jitsu, Brandt, I think it was. He was like, hey, glucosamine and chondroitin, this is going to help you. Just from all the twisting that you do, especially when you train every day.

This is back, you know, training five, six days a week, hardcore, competing or whatever. And he was like, yeah, glucose, ming and chortem, so I always, like, viewed those two. Like this, so the joint warfare has glucose,in, Detroit, and curcumin. Yeah, you know, that always got to add the extra good stuff. Yeah, yeah, I dig it. Good. So it's like, if your joints are being, like, hammered on. Because you're carrying a pickax all day or something like this.

Anyway, that's how I kind of viewed the thing. So I had surgery on my bicep. I know. I'm gonna go into it again. I'm gonna give you an update on it. So literally I'm no cast, I have no cast, no bandage, no stitch, no nothing right now. That's amazing. In fact, if you see me, you wouldn't even think.

Maybe. I didn't remember that you had surgery until you told me today. Yeah, I wanted to the attention. Yeah. But the the And that's funny you say that because sometimes I even forget I had surgery Like you know what like you do just everyday stuff putting on a belt or something like that I'm not gonna try to drag this out but you had the exact same surgery on the other arm the healing process was much much slower

The only I guess difference between the two scenarios There's actually two differences I said the only but there's two differences One you were much younger in your first surgery which would indicate that probably you would heal quicker. But that did not happen, and that has not happened. In fact, the opposite has happened. You have healed much, much faster. It's not even close, much faster.

And the only other thing is that joint warfare, Cro-Loyle. That's the only thing I did different, yes. In fact, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's the only thing I did different. To the point where I hear it, in the spirit of action, I don't know technically, biologically, how much this is healing as far as my tendon healing to the bone. I don't know. There's no way of knowing, but I do know this.

I forget that I had surgery three weeks ago. By the way, to reattach my whole muscle to my bone. They drill a hole in your bone. They put it in that hole. They put an anchor on the other side of your bone attached to it. And it's, bro, it's not nothing. It's definitely something. And I forget that I had that surgery three weeks ago, by the way.

Well, that's good. Joint Warfare, awesome. Crill oil, I've been on that forever and I highly recommend it because it helps you with everything. And now you're saying it helps me with my vision too. Well, Omega-3s helps you with a bunch of stuff in your body. Including my vision.

Vision, all that stuff, man. That's good to know. I just thought I just had sharp vision. Yeah, Omega-3s, man. Look into it. It's all good. Also, discipline. You need discipline.

Yeah. So, yeah. You need self. Discipline in your life, but you're not talking about that, are you? No, no, no, no, no. And it's not even imposed discipline. Actually, it's kind of somewhat imposed. You're imposing it on yourself, but not really because you made it taste good. Okay, the supplements called discipline, but you made it taste good. So it's not imposed. It's welcomed. It's like welcome to discipline. Dave and I were up working with a company actually it's me Dave and Laif and we're up working with a company and You know, whenever we work whenever we get together, it's always like we're going hard and you know there's not a lot of sleep going on or whatever and work out and all that and you ever um you ever seen those like videos or memes where they got one

word that means a lot of different things like I remember there's an old one about dude and it said like oh it could mean you know how's it going like dude or it could mean why did you do that like dude right right and the other day I was with Dave and we were at this gig and you know like I said we're working and he sees me with uh because you know He's kind of addicted to discipline. Yes. And he sees me with a, I took a water bottle, whatever, you know, normal plastic water bottle, and I poured discipline in it because I always travel with it.

Sure. And as I'm, as I'm now standing with a clear plastic water bottle and Dave sees that I, that it's discipline, right? And he just looks at me and he goes, bruh. That's the word. And I totally knew exactly what he meant. He wanted some discipline bad. And I was like, yeah, man, I got enough for you. You so I hooked up Dave and then he caught on fire. Yeah on fire cognitively. Yes

Yes because we were well we did some physical stuff in the morning, but we didn't take discipline for that It wasn't that hardcore wasn't like we were rolling, but yeah, he wanted the cognitive enhancement for putting together all the different applications of extreme ownership up in the company. So yeah, no big deal and that's what it is ultimately is a cognitive Enhancing supplement but jaco style yeah and you know what this is the thing that I got to figure out because I've got you know I've got my own little methodologies of how I operate just across the board There's just operations happening right that's just how I roll for instance the discipline on in when I go in the field or when I go on a trip I have a little little Tupperware thing that's small and I put it up above a little elastic band on I carry in my travel bag whatever It's all good I haven't figured out how to do this with Mulk yet which is a problem because here Here's the thing with mulk.

Mulk tastes freaking good. And if you don't know what milk is, it's got protein in it. That's awesome. It's got, what are they, what are they called? Probiotics, it's got probiotics, which is awesome. And I never took those before because I always thought that that was kind of like just like a yoga thing or something, right? But they're not, but they're like, no, like talking to Brian and Pete, like, no, no, no, you definitely would. So we put them in there and now that definitely, your gut will feel better.

But whatever. I don't care about any of that. It tastes freaking good, right? And so it gives you the ultimate, it gives you the ultimate, like, satisfaction with you. You know, let's say you have a giant steak, which I eat a lot of giant steaks. Sure, of course.

Have you ever eaten a giant steak, and you got done, and you were still like, you know what? I just want it like that. No, not that I can remember. Maybe. So I get that way. Where I want, maybe it's all those years where I should just get after the mint chocolate chip ice cream

at the end of the night. And so sometimes that little, that little, I have a little flashback and I get done with the big steak and I'm I should be all happy Yeah and instead I'm like oh man I really want someone if you have milk with you you're good You want your dessert that's what you want yeah I don't want to say that but it looks So anyways if you get milk you can have dessert every night you can have dessert every day you can have Breakfast milk and dinner yeah because it's a it's a meal and actually Leif was asking me

Leif's like what does milk mean anyways I was like I made it up he's like what do you mean you made up I said made it up how did you know what was the making Making up process for milk. Have you ever tasted it? Yes, sir. And what did you think when you first tasted it? It just tastes like a dessert. To me, I was like, oh man, this is good milk.

And it just came out. Yeah, it's like, there's no other way to describe it. It wasn't milk, it wasn't ice cream, it was something else, or something new. So there you go, mork. It's a mint chocolate milkshake with probiotics in it. Which is a big deal. You were like, oh, yeah, I guess it has probiotics,

which I guess it's cool. That's your whole total. That's a huge deal. No, I know that now that I realize how it settles your stomach. But you know what else? Speaking of Dave Burke, Dave, you know how I'm really into mint chocolate or milk, sorry? Yes, sir, I do. His flavor happens to be peanut butter chocolate.

Like, that's his deal. So he's like a crack addict. Like, wins that, wins that, wins that chocolate peanut butter coming off. So anyways, it's coming out. And then he said, it's not coming out for a long time. And I was like, yeah, it's gonna be like another three, four weeks or five weeks. And he's like, I know, that's a long time. So take it easy, Dave.

We got you. Yeah, Dave. I'm gonna be honest. I agree with Dave. I feel the exact same way. And peanut butter chocolate happens to be my second favorite as well. What's your first favorite? Mint chocolate.

Oh, so you're in the game? Yes, sir. I know you're fully in the game. Yeah, 100%. Actually, they're even interchangeable. We never made that connection. Yeah, I might have mentioned it. Maybe I did it.

No, I would have remembered that. Yeah. So you're pumped. So you're all about that, MOLC? Yes, sir. Oh, you're 100% on board. Yeah, I try not to admit too much of my, my liking for desserts around you. I tamed that back.

But the, hey, the facts are the facts. And yeah, the Malk. And actually I didn't mention this where it's like, you know, you do the one scoop or whatever. I don't do the one scoop, boy, I put in the big 30 ounce. Do two, three scoops even, boom, put a little bit of fill, I don't know, I fill it up. Well, you just said 30 ounce or you're, you just said 30 ounce or you? talking 30 ounces yeah probably not to the top top 20 20 23 ounces sure 24 25 maybe even and you're putting two three scoops in three scoops in and I'm not

think is that because I'm doing like 20 ounces of milk and two scoops it's not extra thick I don't think but that's just by my standard I don't know like what's the stat I don't really take protein powders or nothing like this so I don't know this man so we do that hey thick good but it actually put an egg in there put in the blender dang right you really want to get nuts I do that for like the what squat day for the experience no all right so that's malk you want to go some get some origin main dot com yes origin main dot com is where you order it and you can also get it on amazon if you didn't know that hey speaking of origin main dot com if you want to come

to the jiu jitsu immersion camp it is august 26 through september 2nd there's two what phases sessions or you can go to the whole thing somebody asked If we're gonna go to the origin factory if you want to come see the factory. Yes, we're going to the factory visit is in the middle of the week and we'll be doing J Jitoo all the time. So get some and We'll see there. I'm going echo's going echo's going Quascaputated. Oh so you just be in a knowledge Acquiring mode. Yeah, and a knowledge sharing mode here's the thing technically I could roll I could roll but okay then we rolling the next question Brian Viglione comes and starts getting nuts I can't roll with him well maybe it could no I could I shouldn't it'd be irresponsible for me to roll hard put it that way

yeah he didn't care he came here rolled and he was jacked up right is neat yeah but it's different like a muscle tendon attachment is directly correlated injury wise directly correlated with how hard you go on that muscle directly so you'll be a limited basis but you'll be there to Share knowledge receive knowledge hang out kick it eat lobster I will roll yes oh dang I don't know with everyone echo's gonna be there I'm gonna be there Dave Burke is gonna be there Laif is gonna be there JP I believe is marginal right now or not 100% but whatever We'll be there we'll be hanging out and like black belts galore I forgot that part Black belts galore there'll be a bunch of black belts and then every other belt

Yeah yeah which is a huge deal not Knowledge wise even training wise yeah because most everyone's gonna be training. Yeah, yeah yeah so you get to experience like because Yeah, sometimes it's like if you some people have never rolled with the last bell No, some people have never trained before and they're gonna come to the camp that happened last year People have never trained before came to the camp, but I'm sorry I cut you off and you were gonna say that Some people never rolled to the black belt before right right like even if they've been training for even like a year or something like that You know sometimes that's how it goes, you know or if it's like hey, I want to roll with jocco specifically are you getting roll though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good.

Yeah, I'm good. Last year I had a rib issue this year. No issues whatsoever. No rib issues, good. So that's that. Yeah, boom. And also, switching gears, just another good way to support the podcast and oneself. Jocko is a store.

It's called Jocco Store. Website jocco store.com, I know. Super simple, but that's the way we keep it. I keep it simple now, too. Yeah, that's a law of combat, actually. Exactly, right. Boom and you practice what you preach as we all know anyway jocco store.com This is where you can get jaco gear. Yeah, well like you can get rash cards sure and you used to always go on a big tangent about how it's for all activities

Sure, it is. Yeah, I do with the water's warm but right right now by the way out here in California The water's warm you do not need a wetsuit at this time to surf and So yeah the origin rash guards very effective for surfing the jaco rash guards also very effective for surfing. And cycling. And cycling. And cycling. And whatever else.

Yeah, yeah. And all that's got stuff. Yeah. And everything. That's, um, yes. Again, jocco store.com is where you can get all this stuff. T-shirts. The ones that say discipline equals freedom. Get after it.

Tank tops. By the way. Oh yeah. And also on Amazon, there's fake Jocco T-shirts. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm happy that you're in, like, trying to get in the game. And that's cool. it's a cool way to

like feel cool about stuff and you can do that but you are not supporting no that support does not go to con that support goes to someone that a pirate a pirate yeah but not a not a cool pirate you know yeah just a thief so watch out for those

if you get your t-shirts get them from jocco store com also you can get trucker hats yes sir which you seem to be really surprised that trucker hats would look cool on me You told me you were like I didn't really picture the situation going on I don't know that I You get right you get the flex where they flex fit flex fit see that that's what everyone's all pumped for I'm old school yeah yeah and then beanies too yes sir which which beanies for me this is a so I sleep When I'm a plane I sleep I put a beanie on my head well sleep for like four minutes

Yeah, that's right you've been on the plane with me yes sir I have so I'll put my head up against the the bulkhead as they call it in the plane and the beanie keeps your head from a little tiny vibrations going the whole time you just need that little beanie it's like a pillow yeah so I put on the beanie and sleep if you see me don't bother me and then I'll wake up in four minutes later be ready to rock and roll and I'll write another book yes sir see so when you say oh I sleep on the plane here's the thing I sleep on the plane no you sleep on the plane that's that's amazing yes sir I was impressed by your sleeping capabilities you you had sunglasses on yes you were asleep

for four straight hours in a you look like those what are those Chinese statues in the big vault where they have like thousands of Chinese soldiers all lined up yeah I don't know anyways they're that's what I looked like that you just look like a you did not move yeah you were out and you did not move your head stayed straight up and you just sat there asleep just so disciplined yeah sleeping yeah so when I hear you say I sleep on the plane I'm like you know it depends on what you mean by sleep but I get it and the beanies eliminate them that makes sense um they allow it and they keep the head warm yeah I was gonna say they do have other

uses and even let's face it they look kind of cool yeah for sure yeah yeah I know you don't know about that either you don't know about sleeping or looking cool nonetheless they are available that is true also women's stuff a lot of times people ask me hey make more women's stuff and I will but there's women stuff on their tanks and shirts and whatnot the rash guards are kind of for everybody as well but yeah good stuff good women stuff good stuff to get after it in and hoodies yes don't forget about hoodies yeah I'm gonna make a new hoodie you might not approve of this I think why are we making things that I don't approve of I do you know sometimes hey look I don't

break the rules ever why won't I approve of it except sometimes because it's lightweight it's a lighter weight hoodie can we designate as the Hawaiian version Wait, why would someone want a hoodie that's not going to keep warm? It'll keep you a little bit warm because sometimes, because you're going, okay, you know when you're sleeping or when you're trying to go sleep at night, right? And then you put the covers on. You're like, dang, I'm too hot. You take the covers off. Oh, it's like too cold.

So you got to get in that little zone that you can't get into sometimes. Every once in a while, it's like that. So sometimes in life it's like that. Okay, while we're doing this, can we make ultra? I want the heaviest possible weight that they make in America. This is what we're going to do. I'm going to get with Pete. All right.

And we're going to straight up fabricate whatever. Even, yeah. Even when you talk to Pete, like let me get the samples. I want them in my hands. I want to feel the weight. I'm not playing around with this Hawaiian. Love Hawaii, as you know. It's my homeland.

But I'm not down with the Hawaiian sweatshirts. Hey, so. It's been a Hawaiian sweatshirt. Where are you going to wear a heavy, heavy hoodie? Not here. You're talking when you go to Montana or something like this. Montana. Michigan yeah Boston it's not even here yeah yeah it's for some it gets cold in the morning here okay how

how cold 33 degrees no unless you should say 306 degrees 38 degrees go surfing in the morning sometime with me I see what's up in the winter time I'm not gonna wear a hoodie surfing first no no you wear it to go surfing okay all right hey I'm gonna take your word for that and actually I have a heavy hoodie I think you have a super ultra and I Only wear it when it's unreasonably cold in my opinion. I'm from quiet by the way. Which for you is like 62. Yeah, you know, 55.

Either way, boom. That's what I'm going to do, the summer one. You know what I think? This is what I predict. I predict people like that one. Yeah. I think so very much, actually. Okay.

We'll see. We'll check your fashion sense. Which I have none. So we go with it. Also subscribe to the podcast. iTunes, Google Play Stitch. Spotify. Someone just told me Spotify.

On your podcast on Spotify, we can fast forward without having a subscription or something like that. So we're just on Spotify, just full on, whatever. It's all good. And also, if you want to leave a review,

give us some feedback, that's cool. And you can do like one dude did who put an umlaut over every O in his review. So obviously, he was in the game. Yeah. He knows what a.

Yeah. Cool. YouTube too. Yeah. Yeah, the YouTube, the thing about YouTube is Echo makes, he's not going to say this because he's super humble, right? Nobody makes the enhanced videos, which are legit. And if you want to watch them, you got to go there. And he seems to be putting up more and more excerpts of little videos, little clips of the podcast so you can share.

Shareable. Yeah. Wasn't there some like lunch thing called a shareable? I think that was a lunchable. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry. Yes, similar.

Sure. No, no, no. All good, right. You know, man. You're kind of new, but. Been drinking too much chocolate. Yeah. Yes, very sure.

I try to choose or put up the ones that I think apply to all of us in one way or another. So many times like people will say, hey, this is just on time right here. This little message because they were thinking this or something like that. Because it applies all of us that's...

Bro, one of our bros that's kind of... You know, we're not super tight, but we're down. He came up to me and he was like, hey, man. He went through a little rough patch with a female. Yes. And it went through the whole breakup scenario. Yeah. And he was like, I watched that video a hundred times.

The breakup one. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. But like you said, you happen to put that out there. And he happened to somebody... One of our other friends sent it to him. Like, hey, check this out.

And he was like, oh, okay, got it. Now he's moving on, as it should be. Yeah, and it's way simpler and more effective, I mean, in a scenario like that where rather than send me, hey, remember that episode with that in it? It's like two, two and a half hours long. Hey, read, watch, timestamp, this. There's a good message. I'm not going to do all that, you know, but it's just excerpt.

You just made it sound like it's all laziness. Not necessarily laziness, bro. Yeah. Like there's, sometimes there's some numbers. that just need to be put out there to the world yeah and it's not just because you didn't want some people don't have time to listen to yeah that's what I mean so it's just just you know yeah man jocco McNuggets yeah yeah yeah also good way to support is on it dot com slash jocco good fitness stuff on there I just got some um

you know what you know what I got elk bacon elk you know like warrior bars they're warrior bars and bacon I think they're brand new did you get the brand new yep they just Send him out so good so good yeah you know what I have for you too is I have a mace for you I have a 20 pound mace that I've been hoarding at my house and I apologize but I owe it to you I'll bring it next time it's okay because they're they're you know what I use those for people say what do you do with those basically I swing them around like a maniac psycho barbarian with a battle axe yeah but they're a little shorter but they're heavy and I put it into my I'll put it into my routine I don't say routine because that's

every day I put it into a workout almost as like a little mobility slash cardio slash something break it's it's a good tool to have yeah a good tool to have I got the little you think the 20 pounder the 20 pounder looks light when I give it to you're gonna be like oh I'm gonna no it's it's heavy well consider aside from a 20 pound weight like what weighs 20 pounds nothing huge things you're TV or something like this like you and then you see a mace I mean how how how How long is it? It's not even as long as you show it's probably might might not even be two feet long Yeah, it's 20 pounds. Yeah, so your eyes and your brain and your body kind of like there's kind of miscalculating

You know by observation you pick it up you're like dang this thing is heavy. Yeah They're heavy. Yeah, yeah, so do that yeah actually that's perfect I go walk down this canyon right outside my house is this canyon And I always feel like I want to carry something you know this thing actually if you had it as a weapon it would not be effective it's too heavy. Yeah, yeah It's like that. That's how heavy it is. It'd be cool to carry. And I'm sure if you had to bludgeon to someone to death with it, you could certainly do that. But it would be not an ideal weapon against a mountain lion, which is like the big threat here. When you're walking in the canyon behind your house, you know, you get the mountain lion.

You're going to rear that mace up and that thing got you by the neck. Actually, it's more just to get. Usually I'll grab like a thin stick. It's just to kind of have and it's just fun, you know? Yeah. No, this should be good for that. But a mace, I'd be solid. Yeah.

I got one for him. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that one, but that elk, I don't even know if they call it a worry bar, but it's elk bacon. There's 21 grams of protein in that, 21. That's good. And it's one of those things that can kind of keep you on the path if you're in the mood for a little something. No, 100%. Kind of like psychological warfare, the album.

You can get that on, well, you can get it on iTunes, Google Play, MP3. It's a little album talking about how to stay on the path. That's all get some. Yeah, well actually in the spirit of Maticulous accuracy. It'll help you. It's an album about telling you why and how you should stand the path in those moments of weakness when you kind of feel Actually, it's not when you feel like getting off the path It's when you don't feel like staying on that path for that moment This will get you right back on it 100% affecting this jocco willink is the artist Yes, sir. Yeah, you can get it on Amazon iTunes wherever you get it

MP3s that's where you get it also Jocka white tea dry tea and in a can by the way so the dry tea here's the thing I didn't know this so I'm gonna say it but and I know a lot of people be like who oh Adi Dada I already knew that remember like we were saying earlier

but dry tea dry tea is like the actual one you got to brew in this is tea bags then yes what we're talking about yeah like in a bag or whatever the jocco white tea comes in a tea bag wait can't you Have it like what do you call that loose leaf? Loose leaf we do not have loose leaf but that's not at this time dry you know for the seven people out there that want loose leaf Passionately I feel you I feel you and I just had a woman the other day that was like hey I really want loose leaf T and I was like oh that's awesome and there's six other of you that want that

Sure and as we grow eventually we'll do loose leaf for the purists right for the purists that want to deal with that yeah That have the time to deal with that. So right now, no loose leaf. You gotta go with the tea bag or In a can or you can get the can which strangely I'm the opposite I don't know if I'd be considered opposite of the loose leaf artisans But the can I pound way more of the can than the didn't because I don't like brew it right? Yeah, yeah But they can all I'm popping them every day surprisingly too because I don't you know how you get how there's tea drinkers Technically whatever I'm not a tea drinker

This is what I think is gonna be interesting It tastes really good. Yes. It makes you feel really good. It's refreshing, right? It's just got that thing that just like is good. I think get one of the standard energy drinks. They're filled with sugar. They should and they they they they they got everything in there to make them taste good. That's what they're set up for and they got the caffeine that's going to make you feel good and all this stuff. I As good as those things are the dark white tea is it's better it's it's it's like if you had the choice of one of the two like let's okay let's be real I'm gonna be real here with you right now for a second Sure if I had the choice between like a salad and a mint chocolate chip ice cream milkshake mm-hmm if I had to spill my heart Spill your heart to you right now I'd be like if you put those two in front of me nine times out of 10

I'm gonna get the mint chocolate chip milkshake occasionally I'll be like okay I'll have the salad because I'm really in the mood for that but nine times out of the 10 like I'm just gonna go with what you know which is that mint chocolate chip milkshink is good with this nine times out of the 10

you're actually gonna get jockey white tea you're not gonna take the thing you're not gonna get the thing that's been engineered to be like attack your taste buds and make them massage and feel good yeah and you know I know I think this is just obviously assumption but when you get like okay you have a dracoit in a can then you have a standard energy drink the standard energy drink I think the taste is more of a

secondary thing when they make it it's more like you know get you like the caffeine and the the whatever but they make that stuff taste good they try to yes but that's secondary that's why like it for a taste to energy drink it's like okay you know all the taste okay it tastes good but it's like it can be an acquired it tastes kind of weird to be honest with you and that's a good point With this, it's like, how you say, I don't want to overuse the word refreshing. Don't want to do that.

Well, what I was just going to say is, in order to not overuse that word, have you ever, okay, remember when you were a kid and you were doing something, you're all hot, sweaty, tired, like it's hot outside and you're thirsty. And so you get a Gatorade. And you drink the Gatorade,

and when you get done the Gatorade, you're still thirsty because it's got whatever it has in it that doesn't taste like water. It's like too far away from water. when you when you drink the tea it's like an actual right it actually satisfies the actual thirst yes it does yeah because it's it's super mild it is mild it is mild but it does have a weird kind of i mean i don't want to overstate this but it's like this crispy kind of feeling it could be the can it could be the can i don't know you know how you drinks though i get the same thing man i get the same

thing so how's this so two occasions is legitimate and recent that's why So two occasions. One time I was feeling kind of sick. I was sick. I was straight up sick. And I was feeling like, oh, you know, I was sick to the point where I got to take like one of these, you know, I don't know, nightquil. It was like Tylenol, you know, the liquid one. Yeah.

The little, the red surfy liquid one. And it's been so long since I took anything like that. So I was like, I don't know how much you take. Let me. So I put it in a little shot glass that I had and I just pounded it. Apparently it was too much. So I'm like, oh, I'm like jammed up, super jammed up, like super nauseous. head all messed up like oh i couldn't like think that good i was messed up and we had to record that

day so this was earlier like in the morning and then so i'm like shoot i'm hoping i'm off this thing i just kind of lay down and whatever and i brought i wasn't off it when i came in and record i was like man i'm like super nauseous i'm not feeling good so i tried to drink like some a caffeine thing to kind of bro it didn't help it was messing me up so i grabbed one of these and instantly now not the kind like i drank some and then i ended up feeling better it was like i drink it I was like, dang, instantly felt better. So I was like, you know, could have been a timing thing, whatever. No, 100% of full credit goes.

Yeah, 100%. But the thing is that's what I'm thinking. It's now scientifically proven. It's total anecdotal, I realize. But, and then another time, I drink, I, okay, so I'm, unlike you like, I do like coffee, you know, for the, for the caffeine, right, in the morning, whatever. So I come across this coffee, the brand will remain nameless, but it's 1.75 times, almost two times. the caffeine 200% it's 175% of the caffeine that's a lot of caffeine so I'm like hey I'm gonna get this and you know if it's like too crazy I'll just make less of it or drink less water

it down whatever so I make something first time it totally messes you up it puts you caffeine is like a curve where you want to hit it at the top of the wave you know where it catches you if you drink too much it makes you feel jittery and then if you really drink too much it makes you feel kind of sick in my experience this just regular the same amount I drink of regular coffee it put me over into nausea immediately. No, like, good... Maybe you got a sensitive belly, dude. No, it wasn't like pain, like how something it'll...

It's like, it's in your head. You know, it makes your head all wiggly and whatever. And so I'm like, man, I'm messed up for this thing. So the next day, I'm like, oh, I'm not going to drink that. I'm like, no, you know what? I'll water it down. So I water it down. Boom, same exact thing.

Mess me up. And it happened to be yet another day that we record. So I come in, I'm like, okay. And I grab another one of these seeds. Again, instantly. Like immediately. It didn't like, oh, help it wear off later or whatever. Like immediately made me feel better.

No nausea. I'm not saying this is an anti-nautia medication, but I will tell you this. You're just providing multiple examples of how it cured all diseases. Awesome. I will say that about the jaco white tea in a can. Organic, by the way. Certified. Yes, sir.

All right. Cool. Got some books that I've written. and you can get those on Boy, you can get them Where books are sold Yeah Best one is

Not the best one The current one that I'm on right now Me and my daughter Where the Word kid Two Mark's mission Actually she was very Very excited about that I think because you signed it too

But yeah But yeah That's a good one And she happened to be You know in the beginning The Paper Mesh Yeah pumpkin Yeah she was really into that

By the way But she has a situation where one of the girls in her class is like she's not a teaser necessarily but she's just bossy you know you gotta deal with people I get a lot of warrior kid podcast questions about bossy kids yeah and it yeah yeah and it makes sense but yeah she's she's she's all on that big time and so that's another thing worth mentioning is there's the warrior kid books two of them way the warrior kid and mark's mission and there's also a warrior kid podcast called Warrior Kid podcast. And ask Uncle Jake so you can check that one out. There's also the Discipline equals Freedom Field Manual

which tells you how to get after it very clearly. And if you want to get it on audio, the only way you can get it on the audio is as an MP3 album or you can buy individual tracks if you want them. iTunes, Amazon, music, Google Play,

etc. Yeah. Also extreme ownership. Yes The red you don't sell the original right you know? No this is the second version now. Yeah It's like an enhanced version. Yeah because clips there's sections from the pop from this podcast in the new extreme ownership Yeah, that's the when they come out when when they re-release a book They want to add a little spice to it. Yeah makes sense so the spice is the podcast actually. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So extreme ownership book sprinkled with podcast. Yes, like

spicy spicy podcast yes yeah um good one simple but not easy that one but if you can assimilate it legitimately like changing what's cool what's cool to me yeah you know youth just threw out life changing you just threw it out there like no deal I'm not the only one no that's what I'm saying what's cool what's cool is when people are pretty stoked about the impact that it's had on their personal life and on their business and on their family and I hear people talking about that and they they come and talk to me about it and send me emails and everything I It's awesome. So that's the book Extreme Ownership.

Wrote it with my brother Laif Babin and I just wrote another book. I kind of referenced it a couple times today It's called the dichotomy of leadership and Leif and I literally I keep saying we just get done writing it Have you heard me say that on this podcast before? Yes. Well, I have you know why? Because Every time you edit you got to edit again so every time you think you're done. You're not done and so we just turned in another series of edits and the edits are it's not like we We're going through these massive changes, but you just, you just, somebody changes something in a sentence,

and then it throws off this other thing, and so it's just a pain. The way, that's, that's what we're doing. Do you have the philosophy, like, um, how they,

I forget who said it, but it's like editing is done when you can take away no more. Yes. And then there's the other one. That's the opposite. Yes. Editing is done when you can't,

you can't, you can't, every word matters. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, Laif and I, Laif, Laif basically like I do like a thousand words a day and I edit the same way well I edit I you can edit faster so I'll edit like one chapter at a time

But but but then I'll do that one per day Lief's the opposite. He just goes boom He just goes and he'll call me at like midnight bro I've been waiting for 18 hours I'm made up to chapter nine I'm like that's awesome man, but yes and then we edit each other and and so we're it takes a while so we just finished another series of edits and both of us are still Laif sent me a text the other day he's like bro this book this book is awesome it is actually oh that's right because you have a little taste in it now yeah so it is I think it's really gonna help people out and again you can pre-order that thing right now so that the publisher prints enough so that people can actually have them because the publishers don't ever get it and it

man it does help and I don't want to give it away any kind of spoiler or nothing like that But it makes like complete sense, especially after extreme ownership, where, you know, extreme ownership, like, and it kind of has this tone of extremeness, which is, it's all true and accurate, but I can see how like someone might not get that little element of like, hey, it's extreme,

but it's more of like this approach to like this whole thing. And that whole thing is this balance, you know, like not too. The dichotomy of leadership. Yeah. I actually wrote in the book, dichotomy leadership. Yeah. One of the, one of the, one of the,

one of the. Problems with extreme ownership is the title extreme ownership because people think it got to be extreme No, actually you need to you need to not be extreme most of the time as a leader you need to be balanced now do you need to be extreme in your attitude towards ownership? Yes, you absolutely do Yeah, but do you need to be extreme in your attitude of being aggressive? No, because if you get too aggressive You're gonna cause other problems. Yeah Yeah, like extreme meaning like don't deviate from thinking like this kind of thing not like when I go in I'm just owning everything No exceptions. What you say doesn't matter.

This is mine kind of extreme. It's not that. And then really the extremeness of the balance. It's almost like a contradictory thing. But it's all the parts that like I'm using it for a little something that I have to, that I'm, I don't have to do it. But, you know, anyway, I'm reading some of it. Yeah. And it's like, man, it makes it really clear.

It's really good. Yeah. No, that's what Leif texts me the other day. I'm like, yeah, because obviously we've been reading it a bunch. And I think it's going to really help people out. Really help. people out agree so that'll be good and you know actually on top of the dichotomy of leadership speaking of leadership if you need leadership training on site for you or your

team you can check out echelon front that's my leadership consulting company with Leif with JP with Dave we got some other people coming on board right now which is awesome awesome guys and what we do is we solve problems through leadership That's what we do at Echelonfront. Eschlonfront.com. Come and get some. Effectively. I feel like I'm kind of like this ongoing client of echelon front, of your consulting, you know, of your consulting, you know, just because I'm always kind of around.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. So it's interesting how just by, what do you call it? Not osmosis. No, it is osmosis. Osmosis. By being there, it kind of sifts into your brain.

Boom. Yeah. It's good. Also, the muster. That's a big part. I'm essentially an attendee at the muster with a camera with a camera which is even more so yeah because I get to rewatch it certain parts oh yeah and you get to get up like move around get close yeah outstanding time by the way and so yeah there's a net there's another one

the one the last one we went to sold out the one before that one sold out DC was pretty awesome yeah and it was a baseball let me DC was awesome it was just awesome being in DC and the muster was a good time and people learned a ton so yeah sold out again yeah all of them sold all sold out yeah and so it's reasonable as you always say to believe that this next one's gonna sell out oh the next one's gonna sell out yeah yeah they're definitely gonna sell out it's uh san francisco muster zero zero six October 17th and 18th it's absolutely going to sell out so if you want to come The other thing that happens is you book hotel rooms, you know, because those things get bought bought up too. So yeah, it's it's a leadership seminar. We talk about leadership and it's not just talking about leadership. We actually give you the pragmatic tools that you need to take home and become a better leader in your business in your life

I was watching this. I was watching TV the other day because my kids were watching TV wasn't my choice by the way, but nonetheless I'm watching I'm watching TV and I see a little, you know, the commercial, it's almost, it's a local, like, you know how the commercial like, like one commercial kind of starts, then it goes to the local commercial, you know, that situation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that happens. So anyway, it's for this seminar, you know, for, I don't know, I forget, maybe real estate or whatever, you know, cool, cool info, whatever.

And you know how in the video they show, you know, like clips from the actual seminar that they held last time or something like this. Bro, and then you can't help but compare it to like the muster situation. And it's like, man, night and day. You know, and that one is cool. Looks like people getting good information. But, bro, it's just way different, man. No, it's, that's why they're all selling out.

Yeah. That's why people are, people are coming back. And there's that added element where they kind of get to hang with you guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. There's no green room. There's no behind the stage. Actually, the last one, there was literally no backstage. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, there was no place you, we were just out front. We were out front the whole time, the whole team. Not that you would even need it because you kind of, you don't go back there. No, kind of can't. No green room. When you say there's a break there's already a line Yeah, yeah, yeah kind of formula, okay, because you know you get questions. And people want to ask questions in between and sign books and hang out and take pictures and all that stuff.

That's what we do the whole time. Yeah. And that's not to mention we're on the same hotel. Laif, Laif lost nine pounds during the muster. Me too. Seven. Really? Yeah. Because that's what we're doing. We're just and there's no time to eat like Like we literally don't eat. You don't eat because you I mean we don't you can eat as a attendee. You can eat. But like Laif me, the boys, we don't have time to eat. We're working and so yeah Come to muster. Also for current military law enforcement border patrol Firefighters paramedics first responders we got the roll call September 21st in Dallas Texas it's a Like a really focused one-day leadership training seminar aimed at people that put on a uniform and deal with dynamic situations and that's also available to register At extreme ownership.com and until we see you live and in person and

Either at the muster in San Francisco or the roll call in Texas or the immersion camp up in Maine If you want to if you want to hang out with us virtually We are hanging out actually on the interwebs Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink and to all the servicemen and women out there in the world Thank you for protecting our nation and to the police law enforcement firefighters paramedics border Patrol thanks for keeping us safe here at home and to the families of all those that serve thank you for supporting those heroes that support us and to everyone else that is listening remember as we learned today laziness is the shame of us all laziness makes us prefer

the easy path the weak path instead of glory do not allow that instead take the hard path take the discipline path take the war path the path

of getting after it and until next time this is Echo and Jocko out