Jocko Podcast - 145: What We Can Learn From The Principles of War From the US, Soviets, and Other Military Forces. FM FM 6-4.

Episode Date: October 3, 2018

0:00:00 - Opening 0:02:31 - Marine Rifle Company Manual: The Principles of War. 0:55:40 - Principles of War from The USSR and other countries. 1:33:15 - Jocko's NEW Book, "Mikey And The Dragons" 1:47:04 - How to Stay On THE PATH / Support. 2:22:27 - Closing Gratitude.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 145 with Echo Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. The primary mission of the Marine Rifle Company and Paltoon is to locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver, or to repel his assault by fire and close combat. The primary mission of the weapons platoon of the rifle company is to provide. supporting direct and indirect fires including close in anti-tank fires and demolitions for maneuvering or defending elements of the rifle company it does not get much more straightforward than that that is taken directly from FM FM 6 tack for

Marine rifle company and this is a this is a solid manual a very solid manual a very solid field manual and one of the reasons that I pulled it out again because I wanted to look at the general principles of war and this has so the the US military all branches talk about the principles of war as the as America sees the principles of war for whatever reason the FM FM six tack four has sort of the best descriptions of them that I like I should say maybe they're not the best They're my preferential ones, the ones that I prefer. So the principles of war, pretty straightforward.

But I wanted to talk about them. And this kind of led me down a little rabbit hole, which I sometimes go into when it comes to, you know, military strategies, principles, tactics. And I ended up in a place that I thought was very interesting. It kind of brought me back to something that I'd uncovered years ago. one of those early things that started to gel my thought process started to

started to see little little connections in the world so it started with this so the principles of war so they talk about just these broad principles of war again everyone in the military covers these prints are ever in the US military covers these principles of war here's how the Marine Corps in the Marine Rifle Company manual discusses them okay principles of war general the principles of war are fundamental truths governing the prosecution of war that's so legit anyways i'm going to read that again the principles of war are fundamental truths governing the prosecution of war there you go

the principles of war are guidelines to be used by a commander to effectively apply the combat power of the Marine Company or Paltune to aid in the accomplishment of the assigned mission. The effective application of these principles is essential to the proper exercise of command and the conduct of war. Although combat leaders have studied the principles, it is not enough to name them in sequence, but rather to know when and how to relate them to the combat environment. The principles of war are included here to provide a review for the commander to be used when applying doctrine contained in this manual. Now, the important parts to remember is, and you're going to see this,

that these principles do not only apply to war at all. In fact, they apply to everything. Principle number one. Objective. The objective of a military force is the goal or aim usually expressed as a mission for which the force was constituted. This principle is overriding. It is applicable to any operation at any level of command.

The objective of a force can be stated in either broad or precise terms depending upon the nature of the goal. Each element of an infantry unit contributes to the attainment of the objective of the larger unit of which it is a part. For example, when the objective of a battalion has been defined, all elements of the battalion must be assigned objectives that facilitate the attainment of the battalion objective. Success in combat is measured by the accomplishment of the mission. So this is important to remember from a leadership perspective. When you come up with a mission and it's a broad mission for your company or for your team, then the smaller teams within your team have got to redefine that mission as it applies to them

and make sure that what they come up with for a mission is aligned with and supports the broader mission of the team. So when you own a Manufacturing plant and your goal is to manufacture X amount of widgets a month, well then the people on the line They have their little portion of that widget that they manufacture and they got to make sure that they can fulfill their part of mission that allows you to do this overall Success also there's like supply people that are bringing the supplies in for the widget their goal their mission is to provide the supplies needed to make the things and so that's what it is you got to make sure that the the mission of the sub

subordinate units are in support of and nested inside of the broader mission but sometimes we forget as leaders that the the front line people or the subordinate people below you in the chain of command they might not understand that they need to do that might not happen so you need to do it for sometimes you need to spell things out yeah Next, offensive. By the offensive, the commander can impose his will on the enemy, set the pace and course of battle, exploit enemy weaknesses, and meet unexpected developments. Boom, be on the offensive.

What do we call this? We call this default aggressive, right? That's the similar. And I will continue to make the comparisons between. what we talk about what I talk what I talked what I came up with the original four laws of combat and how they are intertwined with these principles to the book even in the defensive the commander must be alert to regain the initiative by offensive counteractions aggressiveness flexibility of mind and the ability to make rapid reasoned decisions are

required to apply fully the principle of the Offensive in defense the commander can often best accomplish his mission by offensive action So even when you're on defense you should be you should be looking to go on the offense and there's some other definitions that talk about this is very very clear when you're training jiu jih Tzu have you ever trained with someone? I know you have when you're training with someone that's constantly attacking yes that's that's you're gonna go down I mean you're gonna when someone that's how someone Get the upper hand they're attacking here they're attacking there they're attacking over here they're attacking back there again and you're constantly on the defense defense defense defense and eventually they get the upper hand and crush you Yeah very clear in jiu jiu jitsu Mm-hmm next Simplicity simplicity

Simplicity demands that detailed a simple plans be adopted in every military operation It's interesting dichotomy detailed and simple It is of course a relative term because all actions in war are essentially complex that's a great point and I talk about that too I talk about how easy it is to like how these how a mission hey so easy to see a mission is not rocket science right it's not brain surgery you you know where the bad guy is you know where you are you're gonna load in some helicopters or some vehicles or some boats you're gonna go to where they are and you're gonna get them and

you're gonna come back there's the mission that's a little oversimplified and it's not that much oversimplified but you know there's things like fuel There's things like load load plans. There's thing about weight how much each vehicle can carry or how much each helicopter can carry this So there's there are D and how you're gonna put cover fire down there's a there are more detailed things So like the statement says all actions in war are essentially complex and I will say That all actions in war are also essentially simple Because what are you trying to do you're trying to close with and destroy the enemy? That's it I've had that happen with companies where I go into a company and they've lost sighted

of the simplicity of their mission the simplicity of their mission is to make something and they get all wrapped around all these other things But what you're supposed to be doing is making this thing and everything that you're doing should be lead to supporting the making of this thing and people go down they they focus their efforts in other areas So it's good to think about yes, there's complexities it's a it's a total dichotomy It's a total dichotomy in business too right there's a total dichotomy It's it's very complicated but at the same time it's actually very simple so when you feel things getting too complicated that's when you take a step back and you go okay what is we what do we actually trying to do here yeah that's the question back to the book simplicity will us be especially important on the

nuclear battlefield where the full use of available means will require close control and coordination and where plans must be simple as simple as the situation will will permit detailed simple plans lead to coordinated timely executed So what's interesting the copy that I'm using of this and it's going to lead to the rest of this whole podcast which would which is when we're going to start talking about the Soviets and which goes back to the 80s I think the date on this book on this particular version is the 80s which is Cold War Prepare for Nuclear Combat that's and when we get into the Soviets and what they're thinking you're gonna see nuclear combat was absolutely Part of it was part of their planning. Yeah, and so same thing here. I don't even know that I have a comment about keeping your nuclear war simple. I don't know if I have a comment on that. Hey, we're going to drop bombs and everyone is going to die. I don't know how we simplify that anymore.

And clearly laws of combat simplicity, simple. That's one of the primary laws. That's actually law. number two in my laws of combat that we put in extreme ownership and why is that because I would see over and over and over again what would jam up to use your term what would jam up a seal platoon is a complicated plan new do it every single time so you have to keep it simple not one of those ones before I really started diving into sort of the broad canon of military theory I I had told every Hey, you got to keep it simple. You got to keep it simple and I had been told you know the Vietnam guys would say keep it simple stupid you know kiss But I I was a little nervous that I was maybe overboard with that and and as soon as you start looking at it Keeping things simple is a broad military principle that's been around forever And there's a reason because it's true next up unity of command Unity of command is the establishment of a single authority this is a The best means of ensuring unity of effort,

which implies a singleness of purpose and cooperation by all elements of the command. That one seems obvious. I'll tell you what prevents this from happening. Most of the time, it's ego. Most of the time in the business world, no one wants to say, hey, you know what? We're putting this other guy in charge.

Give him the support that he needs. Most of the time in the business world, well, you know, we don't want to make Billy feel bad. Oh, yeah, yeah. run this part of it and then you run the other part of it and then and then Jennifer over here she can run it so it's all it's actually all three of you going to coordinate together to to make this happen well who's in charge you're all in charge how does that work out not good the only way it works out good is if one of those people or or two of the three people are

exquisite leaders with no egos and can prop up the other person that's an egomaniac and make them feel good and let it happen otherwise it's going to be problematic you'd see this so in the military what they do is they designate someone as the main effort so one one one company or one battalion will be designated okay you're the main effort we're all here to support you yeah that's that's that's something you definitely have to be careful of and I'll tell you I'll give you a little hint a little help the best way to do this is just to do it the best way to do it is be like hey you know what I need one person running this so Billy

you got this one. Jennifer, I'll probably give you the next one, but Billy, you need to take command of this one. I know you know this terrain a little bit better. You run this one.

Jennifer, if we go over to your market area next time, you'll be running it. So do what you can to support Billy right now because he'll be support you in the future. Boom, done.

What people do, they don't want to have the hard conversation. They don't want to just tell Jennifer that she needs to take the backseat on this one. It hurts too much, so they put everyone in charge

And now you got no one in charge now you got a disaster on your hand unity of command Yeah Next mass Mass depends or sorry mass demands that superiority of combat power be attained at the critical time and place for a decisive purpose This superiority is both qualitative and quantitative Combat power is primarily a combination of firepower and maneuver Which is applied at the right time at the right place for a decisive purpose. So what does this mean? Focus your efforts. Yeah, this means prioritize and execute. This is the same thing. This is the same idea as prioritize and execute, which is

Pick where pick what the biggest problem is and that's what you're going to attack focus your resources on it Back to the book the use of nuclear weapons by enemy forces will require greater dispersal for passive defense therefore a greater stress must be placed on the application of mass from the point of view of time rather than space Violation of this principle exposes the command to the risk of piecemeal defeat even by an inferior enemy Let's hope we don't have nuclear war next economy of force Economy oh before we get there mass another another way that this relates to jih Tzu Is that when you get an arm lock, what are you doing? You're focusing all your strength on the one weak point of the enemy

Yeah When you get a choke, what are you doing? You're focusing all your force on that one weak point of the enemy their neck Yeah No Next number six economy of force Economy of force requires that sufficient force be applied At other than the decisive time and place to permit mass to be applied at the point of the

These two principles, economy of force and mass, are so closely related that they cannot be considered singly. Application of the two principles requires a sound estimate of what is sufficient elsewhere to permit the attainment of decisive superiority at the decisive time and place. Sufficient is the key. It connotes the application of force necessary to accomplish. the purpose and not the application of as little force as possible so economy of force this is we heard a lot about this in judo right when we when we talked about judo in depth it's all about economy of force that's sort of the underlying principle yeah of judo which therefore makes it one of the underlying principles of jiu jitsu depending on what kind of game you got that's what's gonna say it's like yeah i mean that's cool in theory but you know get on the mats it's not gonna be

like that all the time i mean yeah if you can perfect it good but there's some people that have the kind of game where they're going to use economy of force to their advantage because they're going to wear the other person out yeah i would say i actually do that yeah i do that i don't i will i will allow people to move around and get tired yeah and that's sort of a good thing for me to do i don't do it all the time and i can't do it to everyone yeah you know i can't right now i can't really tire out Andy, big Andy. He's not getting tired right now. Yeah.

And that, yeah. That's the general principle. You know, like, it's just generally, that's what you're doing. Whether you're perfecting it or not, generally, that's what you do. So, like, you know, when you're a white belt and someone mounts you, or even if you mount somebody, you're like, going for stuff and you're trying to get out immediately and all this stuff, even though, bro, that's not the best time to get out. You can kind of use timing.

Actually, I understand your point. Well, before they settle. Yeah, there's that. The best time to get out. is right when they get right before they and by the way that's the best time that's the best time to disrupt any situation yeah like if you got a situation like a self-defense situation you you just disrupted immediately as soon as it starts right you just poke some you know stick a pen in their eye and run away right you don't wait for them to grab you and you don't do that an active shooter situation you don't think oh well I'm

gonna see where this is going no you immediately disrupted get out of there as fast as you can yes You don't wait around. So you don't let the enemy settle in their position. Because once they settle in their position, they're now, they can now focus on what's happening. Because they're no longer having to focus on settling, right? They've established position. When you're fighting against an established position, it's problematic. Yeah.

And I guess, you know, maybe it's a little bit different, but technically it's in the transition. It is in the transition. So it's like the Dean does a really good job of teaching where as the person gets into their final movement to get in position. Yeah. He teaches where the gaps are. Yeah. Because there are definite gaps there. Yeah.

And in the middle of a transition, for example, that's that's a huge gap. But in a way, since they don't necessarily have whatever the position they're going for, like the mount, for example, in the transition to the mount, they don't really have the mount. So that's a huge gap. But it's not technically, you know, escaping the mount. technically because it right right so when you go to the other side of that that transition still in the transition though maybe the second we'll call it the second half of the transition it's be way before they settle for sure yeah that's where it's gonna be 100% but when you're a white belt though let's say they

they settle in and you know when someone gets like okay we're gonna use a mount as the example the guy's mounted right hooks it or feet established hands weight established fully mounted fully mounted points established whatever if you're in a tournament And the earlier on in your jujitsu career, you're going to be trying to get out there immediately. Getting nuts. Yeah. And that's not economy of force right there because it's like-

The person is fully established. Yeah. In fact, I'll go ahead and tell you there's, you're wasting energy. Exactly right. Because that person is fully established. Yeah, exactly. You lost your opportunity. Yeah.

When, during that transitional period. Right. So the point there, though, is in jiu-jitsu, the more you learn, the more you kind of learn about jiu-jitsu, more you realize that yeah this that's a general purpose like your whole jih Tzu game is economy of force right your whole game you're not gonna perfect it every single split second of your jiu jit to sometimes you even step outside of the rule to make something specific happen and whatever Dean will be like oh that was a

spaz defense right like I'll just could get nuts for a few seconds because you know in hopes that opening opens up and oftentimes it does or you're stronger than that guy for a second or whatever condoning or encouraging the spas as the premier escape situation because it's not because there's plenty of times especially against an unskilled opponent they can spazz all they want they're not going anywhere yes correct yeah exactly right and now I got something you know I talked to I was talking to Dave Burke about this good deal too yeah and from a leadership perspective there is also something very similar that happens from a

leadership perspective as a leader let's say okay when you're a black belt or a brown belt you have someone that's a white belt right there you're mounted on them and they're grabbing whatever they're grabbing it with full like craziness they're grabbing your belt or they're or they're grabbing your sleeve like as hard as they possibly can or they're grabbing your neck it is no factor right I mean it's it's literally no factor to you if you make it a factor that me just means you're not experienced enough that means if you're only a if you're only a if you You're only a blue belt and you're going against a lower blue belt and you might start getting concerned about this

But when you're a black belt, you're like, oh, this doesn't matter right From a leadership perspective There's things that are going on With your team with individuals on your team and If you don't know what you're doing, you're concerned about them and they freak you out and they make you react And yet if you're a black belt These things happen and you just you just you just realize what they are it's just wasted energy for them and it's gonna have no impact on the long-term

deal that you're you know where you're going so it's a it's a clear indicator to me when I'm working with a leader and they're spun up about little things I for some reason I always think of like they're spun up that the person's grabbing their their belt right you're mounted on them and they're grabbing your belt like they're gonna do something with it they can't do anything That happens all the time from a leadership perspective Someone you know some of your subordinates are doing something crazy. It's like okay Does it really matter most of the time? It doesn't even matter Yeah occasionally you got to address it like if a guy if a guy if a guy's if you're mounted on a guy and he starts to lift your knee

You reach down and address it. No be deal. You don't panic You don't give up them out Yeah, you just address it and then you you you take it back to normal So as a and what this has to do with really is has to do with detachment because you you you if you're detached, you'll see that whatever this situation is is not that big of a deal. But when you're all up in the fight

and they're grabbing your belt, they're grabbing your sleeve and you're freaking out, you're not doing a good job of detachment at all. Yeah. Because it feels like they're up to something. I don't know what it is,

but, you know, just I don't feel right about it. I see it all the time. And by the way, here's another important piece. If they're doing something, if they're grabbing your sleeve, and now you expend energy to stop that,

Well, you're expending energy. You're not following the idea of economy of force and what you're also doing is you're giving up leadership capital because you're wasting time trying to stop them from doing something that doesn't even matter. Yeah, so why are you worried about that? Let that thing go. Just let that thing go Focus on the wrong things. Yes. Yes. Yeah, in one when I was a bouncer they this was part of the training, but they did call it Min the minimum minimum force. Yeah, which kind of when you're training it kind of it's kind of like especially if you've been in it. I'm a minimum. I'm not. I'm in it's kind of like, especially if you've been in. I. And, like breaking up a like a significant fight situation you start telling me I got to use minimum I'm like it just sounds off I know what they mean and this is what they mean right here sufficient they mean sufficient yeah they basically do they don't want you overdoing it yeah they do mean they do mean minimum but they also mean sufficient yeah because minimum well if you use the minimum force required and it works then it was sufficient right yeah yeah and I understood it one they said it of course like it's a one we're not in the situation it's like yeah

That's true. Technically, that's true. We'll use minimum force. But it just sound, I like how they use sufficient, though, because it, when, one, you hear, like, especially if you're talking about warfare or, in my case, bouncing when you're breaking up guys fighting with, you know, bottles or whatever. And they're saying, hey, use the minimum. You're like, bro, no, man, we're going in there. We get it done as quick as we can. But the thing is, it's like, no, bro.

But you're not going to use maximum. Yeah, you're not going in there swinging punches. You're breaking it up, you know, kind of thing. And it makes sense because guys will do that. They'll like, oh, yeah, it's fight time, you know, kind of thing. And then they'll, like, injure somebody or something like that when they don't have to. Yeah, not good. Sufficient.

Sufficient. Sufficient. All right. Next. Maneuver. Maneuver requires that all military resources be brought to bear in the accomplishment of the objective. Correct application of the principle of maneuver requires not only the full use. of combat power at the decisive time in place but includes the movements of elements of

combat power including combat service support to the area of operations that's pretty straightforward you you have to move your people in the right positions including the support people that need to get there to keep the logistics lines open to keep the intelligence flown to keep the radios working and all that application of this principle is a function of command at all levels at the highest level it usually means means the movement of men means and supplies to an area of operations and at the lowest level it means the positioning of troop units and fires to destroy the enemy Straight forward. That's what that one is

Next Surprise surprised canotes striking the enemy when where or in such a manner that he is unable to counter effectively The achievement of surprise is not necessarily dependent upon misleading the end enemy as to intentions such as for example concealing from him an intention of attacking He may know from the situation that he will be attacked yet the attacker may achieve surprise by the time place direction size or Composition of forces or tactics employed yeah that one's pretty straightforward that one's pretty straightforward That's the that's the difference really that's the difference that's one of the differences between

like a white belt and a blue belt. I mean, it's actually, it's not even to blue belt yet. You've got to be able to surprise the person. They can't know what's coming in Jiu-Jitsu. If they know what's coming, and they know any Jiu-Jitsu that are going to defend that thing. Yeah.

So surprise comes when you are baiting them with one thing and you hit them with something else. I've told you that, I told you that story. Like when I was like a white belt, I'd probably been training for like four weeks. Yeah. And this seal buddy mine, who had been training for a while

but kind of off and on and and he was a friend of mine and as soon as I was training for like a week I was like hey let's train yeah yeah so I was kind of roughing him up right because he he's training off and on and but he's a good dude a great dude and I said to him so after like three weeks I said to him you know here's the thing in jiu jitza you can't just do one move you got to like set it up with something else yeah and the next time we rolled he was going for a choke hard on me and I was like dude this guy's man I don't want to tap to this guy I can't let him boom here I'm locked me and I was like whoa yeah yeah yeah and I was the last time that happened but you didn't like that awesome was he took just he took

just my words yeah of what I told him and this this guy's a freaking awesome seal he took just my words of what I told him and applied him to what he he already knew physically about how to do a choke and how to do an arm lock. Yeah. And he armlocked me. Yeah. Yeah. Surprise.

Surprise. Yeah, that's how you do. Surprise. Surprise. There you go. No, so juzzi is just kind of naturally, too, because they're like, since they're grappling movements, like, unless you're one of these super duper quick guys, you know, like, everything's going to be more or less telegraphed, you know?

If, like, if I say, hey, Jocco, if I know you love the arm lock and you just go for arm locks, I'm going to know that's coming. Yes and no. I agree with you. There's sometimes when I submit people, when they completely know that it's coming and they can't stop it. Dean does that to me. Yeah.

He's like, he's getting an arm lock and I can't stop him. Oh, I know it's coming. I can feel it coming. I can feel it and I can't stop it. Yeah, but here's the thing about that technique too. That's like there will there's two elements that go on in here. One, there's like, okay, Dean, because we talked about this before. Oh, yeah. I know what you're going to say.

He's going to say, okay, Dean. The thing that the surprise came earlier. Yes. And so he got into a position where not either he was ahead of you now or he's in a position where all your defenses that he knows have to come for you to stop him. He knows the defense and all that. He put himself early on into a position where he can shut down those defenses before you need him.

To the point of this, he did through surprise. He did some little movement. And all of a sudden he's mounted with my arm exposed. Yes. And now I know I'm going to get around. I can't can't get out of it exactly right so but sometimes so sometimes you do submit people like that where they know it's coming but you're right you got to get that surprise movement to get in position and they're also the second part is Mike like little for lack

of better term micro surprises so it's like you know how it's like hey I'm gonna go for this arm lock and I know your arm lock is coming but just even for like a half a second split second I'm gonna like tip you off balance yeah just for that split second you're like oh your mind goes okay or you're just your body just react your mind is still on the arm lock you're like your reaction oh I got to put my you know you know that it's like our early move you learn and Akbar used to do this all the time where you know the sit-up sweep from the sit-up sweep for the guard and when you base you go you go back to the triangle yeah that's what you do because to base you put your arm down you can get your leg over like that for example like if someone likes to do triangle jill tudor used to do that stuff to me all the time because he liked the triangle and yet he'd do these little things that you got to put your arm down just real quick even if you're like yeah just real quick i'll just put it down real quick to base or whatever And I'll put it right back into the defensive position. Like, bro, that's a little micro surprise.

Even though you weren't just in the dark the whole time. And where did that triangle come from? It's not that. It's just for that little split second. A little micro surprise. It's a surprise. That works. Hey, back to this maneuver.

Like, I feel like that's like, and I learned this from you where, put simply, you say, hey, build the relationship, right? With people. Like, you're like, hey, my boss won't listen to my input. Or my coworker won't, you know, listen to my, my strategy, which is awesome and all this stuff. You're like, hey, because you're just going straight. You got to create a relationship. You got to get into the position, you know? I just got this question today.

I was getting interviewed. And the guy's like, you know, that guy's like, well, I mean, what happens when? And you can see, it's already. It's like when someone says, well, you know, it's like in jujitsu when someone says, well, you know, what if the guy does this? And it's like, well, yeah. So the guy says, well, you know, what happens? happens if you get told to do something by your boss and you don't agree with it and he just says do it my way anyways Right and I'm like well I don't get in situations like that why because I've spent the last six months eight months one year building a relationship up with my boss

Where when my boss tells me to do something that I don't believe in I say hey boss. I don't know if this is a good idea How about we do this a different way my boss says oh thank you Jock? Yeah Thank you for not allowing me to tell you to do something that doesn't make sense yeah So you're right it's a preemptive A preemptive maneuver to be in the right position So that you will not get told to do something now does that mean I haven't done a bunch of things that I didn't want to do Leading up to that point? Yes absolutely that's called building leadership capital Yeah, I'm gonna make my boss win over and over and over again

Yeah, no one wants to hear that I just got to ask it when Leif and I were out in Staten Island Guys like you know what can I do to lead people that are that don't want Want to do what I want them to do second man you got to build relationships for those guys Yeah, you can't bark orders out of it's not gonna help it'll help for a minute like they'll load that truck up But they're looking for another job You know what I mean you got to build relationships with these people yeah up and down the chain of command and you know what that is that's maneuvering You are correct yeah

Yeah, I thought that was critical or critical yeah, but really helpful because again that's one of those things where you got to do you got to do you got to detach you got to you got to you got to kind of step outside and be like hey because that okay to build a relationship with your boss no one thinks like that that's the solution to the problem because directly it's kind of not even though no no no probably a huge huge yeah why would you say directly it's not because it's straight up is well it doesn't seem like it put it that way like well if you just think kind of I don't know for lack of a better term linearly like if I'm like hey I want jaco to loosen to my input right a direct approach would be like

hey jocco take your headphones off listen to my input that's like a direct so if I go indirect right that's more like hey I got to build a relationship first then I can it's basically adding another step but that step is like this straight up requirement and and and the thing is this it's not a step it's a broad underlying fundamental situation that you set up for success yeah and and then there's this whole thought that because I I've said this on here many times. I say it all the time.

I built relationships with bosses that I didn't like. Yeah. And people go, oh, well, Jocco's an ass kisser. Yeah. And Jocco's a brown-noser because he's just trying to build a relationship with his boss. And I always say, no, I'm not a brown-nosed or no, I'm not an ass-kisser. I'm winning. I'm here to win.

That's what I'm here to do. You know what I'm here to do? Take care of my platoon and make sure that they can have what they need to accomplish our mission to the best of our ability. If my if I have an antagonistic relationship with my boss can I truly support my platoon? The answer is no all day long. He's not going to give me the gear that we need because he doesn't like me. He's not going to give me the training that I need because he doesn't like me. So why is he going to give me what I need?

He's not but if I have a good relationship with him that I built then guess what he's going to do? He's going to let give me what I need to accomplish my mission. He's going to give me what I need to be the most effective platoon we can have. Now, where does it cross the line? Where does Jocko become a brown noser and an ass kisser? Because we know these people exist. And I'll tell you exactly where the line gets crossed.

The line gets crossed where I'm kissing my boss's ass so that I can get promoted or I can get taken care of or I can take care of myself. If that's what game you're in, yes, you're an ass kisser. I don't like you because you're doing it for you. It's like the difference between manipulation and leadership, right? If you're doing if you're if you're if you're influencing people so that they do something that's going to help the team and help the mission and help them That's influence if you're doing something if you're influencing or that's leadership if you're influencing So that you can help yourself right and benefit yourself That's and it doesn't help team and it doesn't help the mission that's manipulation

Yeah, yeah fully Yeah when you go outside of the scope of like the broad goal, you know and everyone can see it by the way Everyone can see from my life way everyone can see it everyone can see it yeah everyone can see it and what's really jacked up or that's not even jacked up what's kind of cool is if you're looking out for the boys and you're looking out for the mission and you're doing everything for theirs for their for their for their best that shows through too yeah and when that shows through guess what your people your boss wants to take care of you because you're

trying to win for him You know not for you So yeah, but the way you said I mean obviously you're you're you're you're not new to this concept but you know and you're not new to the concept of one year in the situation If you don't like the person and now Jocco wants me to build a good relationship with this person that I don't like or whatever I'm not keeping it real. That's what that's what I'm like Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah like for one of the like this two-faced guy you think I'm gonna be give him my respect my value You'd coveted respect. No man. That's I'm I keep it real. I keep it too real too real for that I'm not going to bowing down to that guy. Yeah, can't do it cool. So you're gonna lose

Yeah, so you'd rather lose. Yeah see but when you put it into perspective again that That perspective that you put it in which is what I did what's what's interesting just to take that to one more level If you're the guy that's like hey I got too much pride to do that I'm not doing that I'm not bound down to him Okay, so you're gonna lose because to me I look I don't just look at it like one hit Like that's the end of the game the game doesn't end there The game ends when I'm on top with the big win and you know what my ego my ego won't allow me To let my ego interfere with the fact that I want to win right right big game Yeah yeah the long game. I play the long game in this one in all of them

Yeah, maneuver yeah a little bit of maneuver Yeah if you can get into a habit like you kind of not surprised you surprised straight up surprise me because I forgot by the way because it's not as doesn't come as with one of your answers at roll call when you were like, hey, build a relationship. Oh. Like you're, you know, this person is, you know, you remember the situation, the person didn't, like, he didn't follow through as much as he should have

and because he's so good, you can't tell him anything kind of thing. And then it's like, no, you gotta, you can't like harp on this guy, you gotta build a relationship with him. I was like, ah, dang, I shouldn't remember that one. Because that's a lot of, most of the time, that's the answer, if you have any problem with somebody, like not doing it, you know, like, just like I used to,

but it's a feel like that. And most of the time, most of the time, what people think they should do. Like, how should I confront this person? Yeah. Should I fire them? To do what I want them to do. Yeah. How can I confront them?

Should I fire them? What should? It's like, oh, you know what you should do? Build a relationship with them. Yeah. Make them understand. Make you understand where they're coming from. Can you lead someone that you don't understand?

Not really. Here's another one. You get someone, if you're, if, oh, this person that works for me thinks it's all about Him what should I do? You should make him think it's that everything's about him. That's the black belt move the black belt move is like yeah, you're damn right. This is all about you and here's how you're going to win. And by the way, the whole team's going to be winning because you're winning.

But we don't worry about that. We're worried about if your perception is that, oh, Echo, Echo thinks this is all about him. Guess what I'm going to make Echo think? He's right. And he's going to be busts in his ass because it's all about him. And the team is going to, Echo is going to win, which means the team's going to win, which means I'm going to the wind yeah it's a no-brainer all you got to do is step back six to eight inches from the from from from the front line I know but I know but around and

see that pretty far six to eight inches when and no this is the other thing no one wants to hear those answers no no they don't I shouldn't say no one but most people don't want to hear those answers yeah because the fact of the matter is is it's your fault yeah and it doesn't when your when your person is not doing what they're supposed to be doing it's your fault hey do you get the person that just has a totally negative attitude that shouldn't be on the team yes they exist I get that who's responsibility is it to get rid of them it's yours you're the boss if they're not

that person whose responsibility is it to get everything you can out of them it's you you're the boss yeah people don't like to hear that answer no it's a hard answer because you want to throw whatever you know oh the Millennials the big one right yeah the Millennials are a pretty horrible yeah well maybe if maybe if maybe if you were a better leader the millennials would be on board yeah it's a hard thing to face but if David Hackworth and Jim Mukayama can get draftees in Vietnam to go and risk their lives and fight the enemy and possibly get wounded or killed in a

war they don't believe in if they can do that through good leadership I think you can get a millennial to get get after it yeah and by the way there's millennials getting after it everywhere I meet them all the the time yeah they're not like hey I didn't hey it's good to meet you I'm glad you're putting out word about how to be lazy no they're like I am gonna crush the world yeah they're out there yeah takes it takes it takes leadership that's what it takes I'm sorry leadership is not easy people do the millennials don't want to listen who wants to listen I was more rebellious than any millennial I've met

I can see that yeah anyways So, next, security. Security provides readiness for action or counteraction and is enhanced greatly by flexibility. Flexibility in mind, organization, and means contributes to security. Its attainment embraces all measures designed to avoid being surprised or interfered with seriously and the retention of freedom of action. Security does not imply undue caution and avoidance of all risks important right Security does not imply undue caution so there's a dichotomy here it doesn't imply the avoidance of all risks

for bold action is essential to success in war and what is bold action require requires risks otherwise it wouldn't be bold when security is provided unexpected developments will not seriously interfere with the attainment of the mission check so got to maintain security that makes sense so those are the nine principles those are the nine principles of war that's as they existed now they also talk about and there's a debate right now going around of whether whether a flexibility should be the tenth principle some people think it should some people think it shouldn't and then in 2011 they added some principles to joint operations and here are those principles number one is

restraint to limit collateral damage and prevent unnecessary use of force so now we're getting into the minimum force right restraint requires careful and disciplined balancing of the need for security the conduct of military operations and the national strategic end state makes sense yeah that's where they came up with us you have to put that minimum force that's what that is that's the same thing Right and I think the key to that they put on the end the national strategic end state So what does that mean? Sometimes if you use too much violence if you as a bouncer use too much violence Your goal of the your mission as a bouncer is to keep the place safe

Yeah if you use too much violence people don't want to go there because the bouncer are our assholes right they're beating everyone up That's a problem. So what's our strategic end state is that we keep this place safe Mm-hmm. So that's why they They're talking about that same situation. They actually changed our name from Bouncers to, uh, first it was hosts. Wait, what was it? Yeah, it was hosts. They call it there.

You're not Bouncers, you're your hosts. And then what they change it to? Uh, door host. No, no, they went Bouncers. No, you're a doorman now. You're just a door man. Then they're like, no, door hosts, fits like the personification of this place.

Yeah. You know, like you're just a host. Yeah, that was a good try. Bouncers implies like a boxing. It's interesting though. Yeah, it's interesting though, because that's a little leadership maneuver that they're doing.

They're trying to, they didn't do a good job because you're joking about it, right? You thought it was a joke. You're like, this is ridiculous. The thing is, I actually wasn't mad at it ultimately. I was like, that totally makes sense. Because when you think Bouncer, you think dive bar guys, beating up guy like Roadhouse, you know,

bouncing these guys out the, on, off the wall. Roadhouse talks about minimum force though, right? Oh, yeah, Dalton. But what does he say? He said, be nice. Oh, that's like the rule, right? Be nice. And he's like, uh,

Ask him to walk, but be nice. If he doesn't walk, walk him, but be nice. If he still won't walk, get another guy to help you walk him, and you will both be nice. And he said, be nice until it's time to not be nice. Oh, that's a super badass, right? Look at you, you couldn't hold it back, bro. You couldn't hold it back.

You couldn't hold it back, that smile. That's the like the bio what do you call it? Not the Bible, but the movie version of the Bible. You know how you have like, what's the Navy SEAL movie, the one you got it? You know, for pilots it's Top Gun. Yeah, I don't know if there's a SEAL one. Yeah, that's the one with Charlie Sheen. Yeah, but I don't even know if that's the iconic.

It's not as iconic bouncer movie as Roadhouses. Yeah, if you're a bouncer and you watch, that's your thing. Yeah, for sure. No, it's the iconic bouncer movie. Is there even another bouncer movie? I don't know. Shouldn't be if there is it doesn't even exist no no exactly right Check next this is one of the new ones one of the new principles

Perseverance to ensure the commitment necessary to attain the national strategic end state the underlying causes of the crisis may be elusive making it difficult to achieve Decisive resolution the patient resolute and persistent pursuit of national goals and objectives often is essential to success what I don't like about that one is it it it it kind of it it kind of says it's it's saying like what's the number one rule objective like you got to know what your mission is you got to have an objective and this one is saying look the underlying causes can be elusive it can be difficult to achieve decisive resolution so

I guess the theory or the principle of perseverance means we're gonna continue to do this My problem with that is that is how do you end up then or do you end up then with a Vietnam We're continuing to fight even though we're not quite sure what our end state is what our objective is and it's so elusive that we're not sure where to go That one makes me a little bit Hesitant do I believe in perseverance? Absolutely you keep going but as I've talked about before don't quit doesn't mean Never give up on the plan that you came up with and just keep going until you freaking either die or you achieve your goal Yeah Next legitimacy

To maintain legal and moral authority in the conduct of operations Legitimacy which can be a decisive factor in operations is based on the actual and perceived Legality morality morality and rightness of the actions from the various perspectives of Perspectives of interested audiences together the These 12 concepts form principles of joint operations. Now, I'll tell you what's interesting about legitimacy. Obviously, you have to have it. You have to have, you know, moral and legal authority.

The problem I have with that is who gets to judge that? Because the people that you're fighting, they don't agree with what you're doing. You're not legitimate in their eyes. So how are we coming up with that? I think we can. Yeah, but I think we have to do that decisively and say, look, this is what we're trying to achieve. This is why. And if there's a bunch of people debating about it, okay, well, we're going to hold off then.

Yeah. Until someone says, oh, you know what, this needs to be stopped or this situation needs to end. Because you do need legitimacy. Yeah. And if you don't have legitimacy, you're going to have problems really truly accomplishing the mission. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, kind of in a way, I mean, I'm sure there's exceptions, obviously, but in a way, there's always going to be like some debate.

You know how like they'll be like, hey, I'm going to make a generic example. But like, you know, if, hey, some turmoil in this country because of the way these people are treating these other people in this country. Right. Boom. U.S. steps in and all the stuff. Some, there's going to be somebody debating, hey, like, that's their country. That's how they roll. You know, it's like, who are we to step in and call them, you know, immoral or whatever?

When that's how they've been living for thousands of years. That's my point. Yeah. That's my point. So who gets to make that decision? Yeah. It's a tough one. Yeah, like almost like a like a global standard needs to be established.

You know, I think that's kind of this. And I think you, I think it is actually possible to do that. I think so too. I think it is actually possible to do that. And I think the fact that we sometimes decide that, hey, it's not our place to make that decision. Like, I'll give you an example. ISIS. Hey, if your sister.

Stimatically raping 8 year old 9 year old 10 year old girls and boys You don't get to do that right we will come and stop you yeah, that's the way it's gonna be Yeah, and you need if you need a documented Argument for why that is I think I don't think that'd be a problem to produce I think if you need a documented argument For that you just made you the list as well We're coming after you I think I agree with you Sir. So yeah, Nazis. Guess what? You don't get to do that. Same deal. Yeah. Imperial Japanese

Army rolling into China, rape of Nanking. Nope, you don't get to do that. That doesn't work. We're not okay with that. You just made the list. We seem to have a harder time doing that. We seem to think these days that evil doesn't exist. Yeah. And that's wrong. It's wrong. Next Next it talks about the application of the principles application the principles of war So that's that's the well it's now the 12 principles but now I'm going from the new principles that were added on Back to the Nineteen 84 Marine Corps field manual FM FM FM 6-TAC-4 rifle company

Application the principles of war act as a checklist for the commander in order to apply combat power Effectively and reduce his units of voluntary Or ability a review of military history will demonstrate that those commanders who have adhered to those principles have most often enjoyed success on the battlefield There you go. I like the fact that they're taking these principles and broadly applying them to the past and saying look when this happened historically you will have victory most of the time There have been of course exceptions to the rule however these exceptions prove the rule that any attempt to rigidly apply all the principles to all battlefield environments may lead to defeat We got a we got a little chapter in the dichotomy of leadership. It's called disciplined not rigid Yeah, why because of what that just said

The commander should recognize the need to apply the principles as flexibility as all other tactical principles Oh, sorry, as flexibly as all other tactical principles based on the circumstances with which he is confronted. Flexibility in the application of principles is as important as flexibility in the application of combat power on the battlefield. Isn't it cool to come up with principles and then just say, yeah, you've got to apply them like as needed. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah, yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a, it shows how much you have to think as a leader.

Yeah. You have to look at things all the time and sometimes your principles get to go back off that and that's kind of what we did in the dichotomy of leadership Because can you make things too simple. Yes, you can Cover and move the number one principle can you cover and move too much Yes, you can prioritize and execute can you prioritize and execute too much yes, you can what does that look like? It looks like target fixation Yeah, what is what does cover and move too much look like? It looks like you're stepping on the toes of other elements What is too simple look like? You haven't covered all the contingencies. What does too much decentralized command look like? It looks like your people don't even know where you're supposed to be going because you haven't made it clear. You've let him go too far. To the book, no commander can rigidly follow the examples provided by doctrinal resources, but must modify them according to his mission, the situation, and the terrain over which he is fighting. There you go.

Now, what was interesting is I found this in an Air Force manual. So that's what I covered from the FM FM 6-TAC-4, which is just really good, broad principles of combat, principles of war. Now, it was interesting. I was looking at an Air Force to kind of get their perspective. Similar perspective, not as detailed. But one thing that they did was interesting was they put the other country's principles of war and compared them to our principles of war. And a lot of them are very, very close,

but one of them that stood out was the former Soviet Union. And this is where we get into, you know, I was talking specifically about the USSR back in the day, back in the 80s, back in the 70s, you know, this is the other superpower in the world. And they have some interesting theories. And again, there's a little, chart that I found and it it kind of laid out you know so in America we have objective in

Great Britain and Australia they say selection maintenance of aim right so understand what your aim is we have offense offensive in Great Britain Australia they have offensive action we have mass meaning we're going to use our concentration of force what is Great Britain in Australia call it concentration of force we both have a We call it maneuver they call it flexibility. We call it unity of command. They call it cooperation Which is interesting cooperation is very similar to cover and move. We both have security. We both have surprise We have simplicity. They don't have simplicity but they have another one called maintenance of morale Which is an interesting important thing that maybe we left out. Why do we leave that out? It's an important one

France they have three concentration of effort that's the same as mass surprise that's another one and then their last one Liberty of action which is interesting that's decentralized command right hey you got to go out make things happen China they have some similar ones objective they call it selection of maintenance of aim offense they call it offensive action Mass they call it concentration of force maneuver this is an interesting one Maneuver, they call it initiative and flexibility. Again, a little bit of decentralized command sprinkled on that. Unity of command, they have coordination, they have security, they have surprise, and their last one is morale, mobility, political mobilization, and freedom of action.

Interesting dynamic from China. And then they listed out the Soviet, the Soviet. the former Soviet ones because this is one of the largest armies that ever existed this former Soviet army and as I was reading that little this little chart about what the Soviets had massing and correlation of forces economy and sufficiency of force initiative surprise mobility tempo I was I was going to there as I remembered reading an old assessment of the Soviet style of warfare Burke and the Derry and I remembered it had some interesting takes and I was able to find This field manual from the 80s. I want to say again this is these are like from the same time period as the FM that I just read from the Marine Corps the FM there's a dated ones which we could cover as well, but these are the old school ones and again it's in the 80s. I mean you wouldn't assess the Soviet Union the same now as you would then So this we had a manual America had a manual called FM 102 tack one the Soviet army and I thought it was kind of

Reviewing some of what what they talk about principles of war because again this was like one of the largest standing Standing armies in history it was our major foe It was well experienced from World War II So figure with all that you know we probably could learn something from them so here we go getting into the Soviet army a little bit and some of their people principles how they how they rolled the introduces it by saying the Soviet ground forces this field mail describes the operations and tactics of Soviet general purpose ground forces the content is based on information in Soviet writings and other open source literature most available information is focused on potential

battle in Central Europe this is when this is a reality folks this is in the 80s the Soviets believe that any future war could involve the use of nuclear weapons and that the initial stage of the war will be decisive this is crazy tactical nuclear weapons have been assigned at all levels from division up that's crazy wait so what does that mean everybody has nukes well at the division level so yes a lot of people have a lot of people have nukes the The Soviets have the largest and most effective array of chemical weapons and equipment in the world. They are capable of employing chemical agents from battalion level upward.

That's crazy. So a battalion is like the lowest fighting unit that we have. It's it's it's I don't know 500 600, 600, maybe 700 guys generally and imagine 700 guys with a with an 05 this is a probably a 30, 45 40 year old guy in charge of it they got chemical weapons on the battlefield ready to employ and by the way two levels above them at the division level that's what we're talking about nuclear weapons Not exactly what I love. Okay the Soviet front. I had to put this in here the front Is the largest field formation in wartime. It is an operational and administrative unit and its size and composition can vary widely depending on the mission and situation roughly equivalent to a US or NATO army group of front could be composed of three to five armies with organic artillery missile air defense engineer the reason I found that funny little layer there is I often refer to

echelon front simply as the front but what is also interesting I looked up front to see if that was a commonly used if see if that definition and and it did they didn't have it listed they didn't have a this is a this is a group an army group they didn't list it that way so that's interesting learned something new all right um at this time they're saying that the soviet ground forces were like 1.8 to 2 million people and a hundred and 91 maneuver division so to answer your question a hundred and ninety one division and each one of those 191 divisions had tactical nukes. Get some.

Man. And now we get into, so that just kind of lays out how this came together. Okay, the Soviet concept of war to the Soviets, war is a manifestation of the class struggle. It is an expression of the conflict between progressive forces of socialism and the reactionary forces of imperialistic capitalism which they feel will ultimately be which which we what they feel will be ultimately resolved in favor of socialism the Soviet concept of war represents represents a continuation of politics same thing that we have we you know we think of war as when when politics don't work that's when war happens

unfortunately but yeah reactionary forces of imperialistic capitalism you know what that is That's America, boy. That's how parts of the world view America. All right. The Soviet military doctrine is officially accepted. The Soviet military doctrine is the officially accepted set of concepts that delineate the ways and means to achieve military objectives in the interest of politics. The formulation of Soviet military doctrine is a continuous evolutionary process based on,

Number one, communist ideology. Number two, Soviet foreign policy. Number three, economic and military strengths of adversaries. Number four, Soviet resources and geography. Number five, history. Number six, science and technology. Soviet military doctrine is based on an elaborate, integrated system of thought. And then it breaks it down a little bit more.

And I kind of had to build that in there because it talks about military doctrine. And then it talks about military science. Is this study and analysis of the diverse psychological and material phenomena relevant to armed combat for developing practical recommendations for the achievement of victory and war? Pretty straightforward. But the reason I had to say, talk about military science is because I wanted to get to this point, which is military art. And a lot of times we don't think of the Soviets, right? When you think of the Soviets, what do you think of? I know what you think of.

What do you think of when you think of the Soviets? Come on. When you think of the USSR, what do you think of? You're going to let me down. What? What do you think of? When you think of like the Russians, what do you think of? They're strong wrestlers.

Okay. As a whole, when you think of the Russians, what do you think of? If you had to characterize the Russians in one individual, who would you think of? Stalin? Oh, close. I thought you were going to say Drago. Okay. I've been Drago.

I've been Drago. The machine, right? Sure. This is what I think of. You know, I think of that that's what the Soviet Union is. It's like, you know, no emotions, no relations. It's no religion. It's just raw machines.

Cold, cold, right? Actually fairly accurate. But they go here, military art is the most important and primary field within military science and is the basis for strategy, operational art, and tactics. It is the theory and practice of conducting arm conflict. So they put this high, high respect to the art.

Probably, possibly higher than we do. Maybe you know It is possible. All right, so now we get into it and Principles of military art Soviet military theorists consider the following points to be the general principles of military art So that's where I'm going with all this to get their principles They do not represent any special revelation of truth or radical departure from traditional military thought

However by their emphasis on these particular points Soviet military leaders reveal that their character of their military thinking and predict the basic characteristics of future Soviet military operations. According to the Soviets, their armed forces must, and here's the list, be fully prepared to accomplish the mission regardless of conditions under which war begins or must be conducted. Next, achieve surprise whenever possible. Sounds familiar. Military operations must be characterized by decisiveness and aggressiveness. Forces must strive continuously to seize and to hold the initiative that's good information next make full use of all available military assets and capabilities to achieve victory next ensure that major formations and units all of all

services branches and arms affect through thorough and continuous coordination got to work together cover move select the principal enemy objective to be seized and the best routes for attacking it make a decisive concentration of combat power at the correct time right same thing next maintain continuous and reliable command and control interesting the reason that's interesting is that's like a little bit leaning towards centralized control right centralized command as opposed decentralized command but they're going to reverse that later next be determined and decisive in achieving the assigned mission next maintain complete security of combat operations security

right same thing next reconstitute reserves and restore combat effectiveness as quickly as possible makes sense next well now it continues on these are general principles that apply to all three levels of military art strategy operations and tactics at each of these levels there are more specific detailed principles soviet military thought subscribes to certain laws of war at the strategic level and principles of operational art and tactics which apply to the actual conduct of combat. So here are the laws of war. First law, the course and outcome of war waged with unlimited employment of all means of conflict depends primarily on the correlation of available strictly military combatants at the beginning of the war.

Second law, the course and outcome of the war depend on the correlation of the military potentials of the combatants. Third law, the course and outcome of war depend on its political content. law the course and outcome of a war depend on the correlation of moral political and psychological capabilities of the peoples and the armies of the combatants now i didn't break those down because they actually do it for you in the manual here's what in simpler terms what these things mean first law be prepared prepare in peacetime for the next war forces in being are the decisive factors the side with the most and best troops and equipment At the start of the war, will win the war.

That makes sense, barring any major strategic blunders. Second law, the side which can best sustain a protracted war, will win the war. Makes sense. Third law, the higher the political stakes of a war, the longer and more violent it will be. That's a good one. And you've got to think about that one. From a leadership perspective, when you start getting involved in things that have higher stakes, this is when people start stabbing each other in the back. So when people get ruthless. So when there's more at stake, there's going to be more violence. We don't recognize that sometimes. Hey, this guy's always been cool to me. But all of a sudden, the stakes go up. All of a sudden, we're getting stabbed. Or the dirt's coming out, right? The claws come out. Yeah.

It's always interesting. You get to see people's real true colors, right? Yeah. When things are at stake, when more is at stake, people's true colors come out. The violence occurs. Yeah. Yeah, kind of like when the, you know, the detective shows up at your door, hey, we've got some questions for you. I don't have time.

Whatever. Oh, we could do it here, or we could go back to the station. Oh, all right, all right. You know, then they start revealing a little bit more. Then they're like, hey, they don't want to cooperate that much. They say this thing. They say, yeah, I was there, but I don't remember all this stuff. And they say, well, hey, if you don't tell us the truth, you could be going to jail.

Oh, your freedom. Now the sticks go up off. They start talking more. See what I'm saying? Then they say, hey, your friend, was he involved? You know what I'm saying? They're like, oh, no, no, no. Hey, if you're lying, not only do you go to jail, then, you know, and they raise the stakes a little bit.

Oh, they ride on their friend, you know? When the stakes go up. Go up yeah man the violence increases next fourth law war aims must be seen as just modern war cannot be waged without public support very important yeah very important Soviet planning in preparation for war reflect a dominant feeling that war is inevitable this is not to say that the USSR wants war but that is preparing for it continuously The Soviet state is autocratic, militarized, and centralized. Its political and economic systems give priority to military requirements.

The state allocates resources and directs production for preparation and maintenance of a war footing. The Soviet Union is prepared to exert itself at great expense to achieve its goal. It is a nation which, through civil war, collectivization Attendant famine and purges inflicted more than 20 million deaths on its own citizens from the Russian Revolution to the start of World War II It is a nation that endured the loss of 20 million people during World War II Its tolerance for sacrifice is high Yeah, that's a little something to think about now. What's interesting is

What's stronger that? That's a little something to think about. I'm not. That's interesting? I'm a little something to think about. I'm That or the core desire and mandate for freedom that we have here. And actually, I can answer that question because history has answered that question. Freedom will win. Next, as the laws of war dominate strategic planning for war, so do principles of operational art and tactics govern the conduct of warfare within a given theater of operations the popular western version of these soviet operational and tactical principles is very brief objective offense surprise maneuver and mass this list is not

fairly characterized the basis on which soviet military leaders plan and conduct operations and tactics just as they add new equipment to their forces without abandoning older equipment the soviets have modernized operational and tactical principles without fully abandoned abandoning their earlier ones a good place to begin is with those classical principles that were taught by the czarist general staff so these are the classic russian military principles here they go first extreme exertion of force at the very beginning of the war next simultaneously of actions next economy of forces next concentration next chief objective the enemy's army next surprise next unity of action preparation energetic pursuit security initiative and dominance over the enemy's will strength where the enemy is weak and that's the list that's the old classic list and it breaks it down a little bit the most significant points of this list are first he who gets to the

initial battle with the most wins that's Sun Su by the way the enemy must be confronted with more than one situation to deal with oh That's that's how I got arm locked all those years ago. I was dealing with that choke and there came the arm lock Next one should not be diverted by geographical objectives but should concentrate on the destruction of the enemy's military forces Next detailed exacting preparation must precede an attack Design actions to preempt your opponent and keep him reacting to situations that you control. Concentrate on the enemy's weak points rather than his strengths.

Contemporary military, contemporary Soviet military theorists hold that nuclear weaponry and other means of modern warfare have modified these basic principles. By the early 1970s, the following principles dominated Soviet operational art and tactics. So they made these adjustments for, nuclear war first mobility and high rates of combat operations next concentration of main efforts and the creation of superiority in forces and means over the enemy at decisive place and at the decisive time next surprise and security next combat activeness that's a good one combat effectiveness next preservation of the

combat effectiveness of friendly forces next conformity to the conformity of the goal to the actual situation. That's a good one. Conformity of the goal to the actual situation. What that means is your goal can change, and it can change based on the situation you're in. That is important. And the last one is coordination,

which is basically cover and move. Now, it goes on, a melding of contemporary writings and those of the recent past, plus an influence of significant classical Russian principles results in the following specific Soviet principles of operational art and tactics, and we go into a long list.

The offensive is the basic form of combat action. Only by a resolute offense conducted at a high tempo and to great depth is total destruction of the enemy achieved. So we need to go hard, we need to go fast. Next, combat maneuver units must be mobile and capable of rapid movement next fire support command and control and logistics must be as mobile as maneuver units that makes sense conduct or conduct thorough and continuous reconnaissance find the enemy's weak points yes perform a thorough estimate of the situation and make timely analytical decisions be realistic

Consider the mission, enemy, your own combat power, terrain, weather, and light conditions and time. So, yeah, you've got to look at the situation. You've got to look at it. Best thing about that, and you don't hear this very often, be realistic. How good advice is that? It's damn good advice. Be realistic. You don't hear that often enough.

Next, plan and prepare extensively and in detail. That's a good idea, as we know, though. You can go to the extreme with that. You can overdo it. The planning and conduct of an operation must involve the full coordination and cooperation of all commanders involved. Man, that's important. If you're coming up with an operation, you've got to involve the commanders of the people that are going to be in the operation with you. You can't just send them an email of how you want it to go down.

That's not going to work. There must be unity of command, a signal commander for every operation. Boom. We already talked about that. fully orchestrate all of the all available combat means in a coordinated cooperative Combined arms effort makes sense next deceive the enemy Attack from an unexpected direction at an unexpected time Check use terrain and weather to your advantage check strike early with great force

Check constantly strive to preempt and dominate the enemy again. I always think when I hear that I always think of Jiu Jitsu when someone's getting the upper hand on you and you can't dig your way out of it attack the enemy violently and simultaneously throughout his depth carry the battle to the enemy rear with swift penetrations by maneuver units fire aviation airborne and hellaborn assaults and by unconventional warfare means be bold and decisive seize and hold the initiative isn't it amazing that just being aggressive goes so far if you are just get the upper hand I mean if you get the upper hand you just have it yeah and you just need to maintain it how do you maintain it's by be continuing to be aggressive and not sitting back on your

haunches when you got the upper hand I do that you just do something what sit back on your hunches or yeah get a little bit of an advantage relax too much right let let a little you know let a little time give that person to you know when you see it is an MMA when somebody gets dazed right and the person lets him recover Takes them a minute takes them a minute and 30 seconds. They don't get on that person Yeah got to do that Prosecute an operation relentlessly without pause under all conditions of visibility Or NBC contamination that's nuclear biological and chemical contamination doesn't matter keep going

The Russians this is good keep the enemy under constant pressure and off balance do not allow them to react effectively obviously jiu jitzu fully exploit the effects of nuclear or chemical strikes with deep attacks by all available forces I wonder what these guys were thinking they're thinking about how they're gonna follow up the nuclear assault bro whenever possible achieve mass by concentrated masked nuclear or non-nuclear fires rather than by massing maneuver forces. What that is actually saying is instead of using your troops, use nukes instead to get the upper hand.

How did it get? I mean, we can look back on it now. I hope. I mean, because there's obviously nukes everywhere still. But man, I hope people aren't sitting around plotting right now. Coming up with the tactics. I mean, obviously we have to. You have to.

You have to game it out. Yeah, makes sense. But man, I hope we got some other avenues of approach before we're jumping into the nuke launches. Next, if maneuver forces must be masked, do so rapidly, disperse them as soon as possible after the task has been achieved. Maneuver first with firepower. Firepower is maneuver. Covered move. Get some.

Maneuver forces should attack the weakest points in the enemy defenses. Yes, Sun Tsu, thank you. We agree. If necessary, create weak points or holes with nests. Nuclear or non-nuclear fires Bypass enemy strong points to strike deeply into his rear. Yeah Hey, you know what we're gonna create a weak point with nukes get some Yeah, it's just funny to hear that how like nukes is just sort of one of the options

It's throwing it out there. Yeah, yeah just throwing it out there. Yeah, we're not talking like hey is anyone going hey by the way? That's the end of the world Hey, hey Colonel. Hey Colonel. I got to just want to bring something up you realize that we all die when this happens, right? Like this isn't this isn't this is a This isn't like a good plan. Your plan sucks. Yeah, like, hey, we got to, hey, there's a little, we got to create a wheat point, like, right over there. Hey, we should send, like, you know, like maybe 12 guys or something. Yeah. Maybe over there.

Or we could just use those nukes over here. Or maybe, yeah. I'm going to send this document to Jordan Peterson. Because, you know, you know how he's all paranoid about nuclear war when he was in college? And that's kind of what sent him down this path of how could we get to the situation? Yeah. I think this is going to really disturb him. It's like hey boss let's check this out these guys weren't playing yeah guess how we're gonna create a little weakness we're gonna nuke them nuke them man

Scary that's very scary avoid frontal attacks wherever possible strike the enemy in the flanks of the rear obviously we're all about flanking Maintain't security of your own flanks maintain sufficient follow-on force to assure achievement of the mission and to deal with contingencies Maintain on a rip uninterrupted combat support Maintain effective continuous command and control and communications That's getting a little bit you know that's important But sometimes I think that they were very centralized and you can see that from when they fought in Afghanistan That they definitely had some centralized command going on and the units that performed well with the units that were the most decentralized Which was generally their special operations units

Maintain redundant communications at higher levels rely on audio and visual signals and well-rehearse battle drills at lower levels staffs at every level Must have equipment and skills necessary to collect and analyze information quickly Employ radio electronic combat to deprive the enemy of effective command and control of his combat forces That means they're going to use jammers and whatnot Adhere now this is where it's interesting so as much as I talk about centralized command Adhere to the spirit and letter of a plan if the plan fails use initiative to accomplish the mission Check that's decentralized command you can only do that if you actually know what the mission is Next, be prepared to react effectively to a rapidly changing battlefield.

Check. Develop procedures to deal with numerous contingencies. Check quickly and be decisive and resourceful in accomplishing the mission. Check. Conserve fighting strength through the use of combat vehicles with collective NBC protection. Again, that's nuclear, biological, and chemical protection, dispersal forces, minimum combat power necessary to accomplish a time. task the use of captured enemy equipment and effective logistics and then that's the end of the list obviously it's a pretty broad list but very interesting you can see the parallels you can see how the

same themes come up over and over again and says this these principles are idealistic they are what the Soviets strive to achieve they show what the Soviets would like to do but not in all cases what they may be capable of doing however the principles serve as a basis from which any examination of Soviet operations and tactics must start and again it's just crazy to read about this nuclear warfare implications the advent of nuclear weapons caused Soviet planners to go through a long period of rethinking and revising their combined arms doctrine modern totally mechanized armed forces supported and threatened by weapons that can change the face of the battlefield in a matter of minutes gave a whole new meaning to the high speed combined our operations in death

When we talk about combined operations or combined arms in the military, we talk about, you know, we're going to use mortars and we're going to use artillery. We're going to use air support. We're going to use, you know, heavy machine gunfire. We're going to use all those together in coordination to catch our enemy in the combined arms dilemma where there's no way to get out of it. It's like checkmate, right? I never, ever thought about, hey, let's get him in the air. ultimate check made over here on this one bring in bring in the tactical nukes again just just to point out that under nuclear threatened conditions the Soviet offensive

concept would have the following features avoid concentrating forces concentrate fires but not firing weapons attack across broader frontages on multiple axis avoid enemy strong points probe for enemy weak points penetrate where possible commit follow-on forces when and where they can best contribute to success Drive rapidly and deeply into the enemy rear to destroy nuclear weapons and enemy forces and just to wrap this up Because I thought this was interesting and we're not covered a bunch of this book just like we barely covered any of the Marine Corps rifle manual but Norms initiative and flexibility Soviet military doctrine includes a system of performance standards expressed in numerical forms called norms

Norms define the ideal performance in a multitude of tasks and conditions. I've talked about task, conditions, and standards on here before. They are used to determine such things as intervals, rates of march, frontages, logistics requirements, fire support, and training drills. Norms provide a mathematical prescription for proper action. So this is where we get to, you know, I start thinking of that Soviet stereotypical. Like, hey, we're just going to, here's the numbers, plug them in, and that's what we're going to do. They are formulated by historical analysis, training exercises, requirements, and gaming models. Based on norms, a given situation has an approved response.

The correctness of a commander's action or his troops' response is often measured by their adherence to the established norms for that situation. The advantage of this system is that it provides a high degree of combat readiness, at least in the initial stages. Drills at the subunit level, battalion or lower, are well rehearsed. The tactical level commander is aware in advance of how well his troops can cope with time and space factors. So there's what's good about it. You have everything laid out like this is what we do in these situations. Back to the book, the obvious disadvantage to strict adherence to norms is less provision for the unexpected. If a situation arises for which there is no established normative response, a lower level commander might,

find himself in peril which I totally agree that's why I made the training super hard and crazy for the guys that I put through training so that they were ready for non-normative situations the topic of initiative receives much attention in Soviet military writings when a plan fails commanders are strongly urged to use initiative as a cure-all the Soviet perception of initiative involves finding a correct solution following normative patterns if the commander adheres to norms and is successful he is praised if he violates normative patterns and fails he's condemned so what kind of a decentralized command do you end up there no one wants to take any

risks success however is most important if commander solves a problem by his own devices he is lauded so that's cool but if you're afraid that if you make a call and it doesn't go right and you're gonna get in trouble for that you know what you're gonna do you're not gonna make a call yeah and that's what crushes your decentralized command yeah isn't that like a good tactic or whatever for like kids where you know like if they make an honest mistake you don't just hammer them you know you can to correct them or whatever otherwise yeah they're not gonna want to like venture out and do things you know yeah totally and and this yeah you have

you have to you have to allow your kids to make some say I I've been saying lately you gotta let allow your kids to brush up against the guardrails of failure yeah without smashing them yeah the bumps and bruises are when a good are what are what go is going to make them formidable in life if they never got a bumper a bruise life's gonna hit them hard yeah they won't be conditioned for it and this thing wraps up just saying these concepts are not descriptive of a rigid offensive doctrine but one that is both mobile and flexible so there's a little something from the from the Soviet army and and obviously like I said the principles of warfare while they're

nuanced and they're stated differently they're the same I mean you see the same patterns over and over again and they apply to war and they apply to life and so I think it's important to see them from different angles so that you can understand them because if you understand them broadly well then you can see them in all things and if you see them in all things then you can actually apply them in all things which is important Because that's what's going to make you better. It's going to make your jih Tzu better. It's going to make your business better.

It's going to make your team better. It's going to make you a better leader. It's going to make you better. And it's going to make your life better. And these principles have been around for a long, long time. So that's the Soviet maneuver warfare doctrine. And, you know, I also recently had to do some maneuvering myself. Sure.

A little bit of maneuvering. And I wanted to bring it up because it's interesting. A little bit of aggression. A little bit of maneuver warfare. So I wrote another book. And the book is called Mikey and the Dragons. It's another kid's book. It's for younger kids.

Maybe a tad younger than the warrior kid crowd. Right. So we're talking like four, five, six, seven, eight-ish, something like that. However Like the Warrior Kid books There's lessons for everyone in there Yes there is Yeah and so what's interesting

So I wrote this book I had like a vision Does that sound too much? Yeah when you say it but you know I dig it Okay I had a vision of this book What the story was right

And I wrote it I wrote the first half The original idea just like hit me And I just wrote it Yeah Like the first half of the book and then a couple weeks went by is I wasn't quite sure About the ending exactly and then one night I woke up for 3.30 in the morning I had the whole thing the rest of it and I sat down and I just wrote the rest of it It was like overflowing from my brain and I just literally I just woke up and I wrote that

It took me like two hours to finish overflowing from your brain and your heart and your soul Yeah, I don't know about all that Come on bro wake up 3.30 in the morning come on. That's like a what do you call it? like inspired creative genius types. Well, I don't know about all that. Come on, come on, come on. But when I got done, I was, I could, I realized, like I liked it.

Like, I realized it was something, right? I knew it wasn't nothing. And as soon as my wife and kid, my wife and my youngest daughter woke up that day, and I was like, hey, let me read this to you. And I read it to him. And I could tell, because as soon as I got done reading it, my daughter was like, read it again.

But it was even funnier, was my wife was looking at me and the look on her face was basically a look of like I can't believe that you actually wrote that she looked real suspect and I was like you know I was waiting for it's like oh you where'd you find that yeah right that right right and I so was like no I actually did write it and I and I I read it to one of my seal buddies who's got a like really monotone voice but he's got young kids but he's got young kids and he's got young kids and I and I'm awesome friends with him and I got done with it and I was like looking at it as I was looking as I'm reading I'm not looking at him I'm looking at it right and I get done and he's got this like classic monotone voice and he's like How did you even do that? And I was like okay So that's kind of you know he was stoked on it and then I read it to you And well you heard it Mikey and the dragons yeah and when I first read it to you You read me when it wasn't even done yet. Oh and it was like I

I was like, dang, I was in, first, I kind of on a superficial level. I was impressed with your ability to, like, actually rhyme stuff. Oh, that's right, because it rhymes. Yeah, because you know how some, you know, one time, like, I don't know, me, I'm going to bust out some rhyme. I made up. It's going to be so far fetch. It's like, just do better with that, you know, but yours is like, it all fits. It's like, yeah, I understand how your friend was like, like, how did you do that or whatever, you know?

Because it's just, you can't just throw words together that rhyme. But, yeah, so here the first version without the beginning. Without the ending kind of thing. I read that too, just the beginning? Yeah. And you were like, hey, there's more and there's an ending or whatever that I didn't quite, you know. I was like, dang, that's good. That is real good, actually.

Because, and you always have this little message that's like real deep, you know, that kind of applies to like people. Well, I guess not a little message. A huge message. And it like, it applies to kids directly and then it applies to adults directly, though. That's the thing. So, you know how like, okay, so I read kids book. I got kids. We all know that.

And there's kids book, but the message is this real simple message. I don't know. There's like a, I don't know, whatever. The little kid message, but it's like as an adult, I'm not going to read that and be, I learned that long time ago. I learned that when I was a kid. But these ones, even all the warrior kid books or whatever, brother, these are adult messages for kids. Yeah.

So that's what, that's another thing. I was like, dang, I was thinking that too, how do you do that, you know? And then I'm thinking, you know what happened? You were like scared of something like bugs or something. when you were, that's just what I was thinking in my head. I don't know, maybe we're, maybe, you know. Anyway, so yeah, so the finished one. I think I told you this here.

When you read the finished one, I was like, holy cow, that is gold on so many levels. So what I did was I stole the story, borrowed it, put it down, I borrowed it. This is what you do. Yeah, I know, but it works. So I borrow the story. Obviously, I can't even memorize the rhyming parts of it,

but I understand the story. Told the story. Yeah, I told the story to my daughter has a bedtime story. And like, she's like, oh, are there? She's like, oh, are there? She's all these questions. You know, because she thinks it's real.

But man, the lesson is so good. Yeah. So good. Well, from your reaction, from my, and I actually read it to all of my older kids as well and got the same thing, super just like stoked on it. And a little bit of like, did you actually write that? You know, that kind of attitude. And when I, when everyone kind of had the same reaction, I was like, okay, I need to get this

into kids' hands as quickly as possible. Because, you know, it's the archetypical story of a, of a kid. That as you said needs to overcome some fears and it's also a story within a story Right so basically the fundamental thing is there's a there's a boy his name is Mikey. He's scared of everything that's his basic situation and here's how he gets introduced in the book It goes like this there once was a little boy named Mike and there were many things in the world that he didn't like he was scared of spiders and beetles and bugs and always thought they hit under the rugs They were creepy and crawly and nasty and mean and he ran from every bug he'd ever seen But it wasn't only insects that gave Mikey a scare There were many other things for which Mike didn't care and that's sort of the opening

So you learn a little bit about Mikey he's scared scared some stuff and Eventually after you learn about all the things that Mikey scared of and how he kind of is Sad that he's scared of so many things he didn't like it and he kind of wonders why is he so scared of everything and eventually he stumbles upon this book and the book is that there's a book that mike he calls the dragon book Yeah even though the book itself Is called the dragon prince, but he flips this book open for a second and he sees pictures of dragons and the dragons are crazy Mm-hmm, and so he's a little bit scared, but there's also pictures of like a young boy in there that kind of looks Like he knows what's up me

Yeah, yeah, and so Mikey decides that he's gonna read it and so this is where You get the story within the story because then you you turn the page and you see the cover to this other book Yeah different font different voice different situation The pictures look a little bit different That's cool because I saw I only saw some of the I didn't see the completed book I saw like just some of the pictures and you know Bozac you know Yeah, knows what he's doing in there and anyways the story that's within the story is it turns out that there's this little prince that lives in the kingdom Where the king who was the prince is

dad has died and of course everyone's all sad because of that but even more than being sad they're actually scared because it was the king that always protected the kingdom from the dragons who lived over the hill in the dragon cave and with the king gone there's no one to protect the kingdom the knights are scared the guards are scared the only one that everyone is looking to to protect the kingdom is this young prince and here's how you get introduced to that that but now that the king had died and was gone there was only one person to fight and carry on and that person wasn't big or mighty or strong in fact he hadn't been

alive that long now the person who had dragons to chase was just a little boy with a smiling face yes the person that now must stand up and be bold was just a little prince who is only seven years old so the boy eventually realizes he's gonna have to stand up and face the dragon He goes to his father's war chest and opens it up and of course the shields super heavy and the sword is massive He can barely pick him up and now he's even more scared, but then he sees at the bottom of the war chest He sees a little note a little note from his dad the mighty king and the mighty king explains to the son What he has to do to stand up and face the dragons and the notes pretty powerful

I agree. And the prince goes forth into the fray and through those lessons from his dad and he faces the dragons. And we get a result from that. And then the original character in the story, right? Mikey, he learns also how to face his fears. So that's the basic fundamental story. And the way it came together was pretty cool. And then the reactions from everyone was pretty cool.

So like I said, I wanted to get it into people's hands as quickly as possible. So I talked to my publisher about this and I told them about it and I was in the middle of negotiating Some other books with them and They of course were like hey we've already got these books that we're looking at so you know we'll put this one on the back burner and maybe we'll put it out in a year And it was actually was a 14 months You didn't like that I didn't like that. So I said no, you know Hey, it's all cool, but I really want to get this one out very quickly want to get this one out this one out this was in the summertime I said I want to get this one out by

I want to get this one out by let's get to get get get to kids by Christmas right this is the important lesson for kids to learn let's get it to him by Christmas get it out in November Kids can get it for Christmas and learn and They're like no and if I go back and forth and finally the message I get is I get message from my children's publisher because they're focused on other things It's the way it is they come back and say look there's no scenario No scenario where this book comes out in November. There's no scenario where that happens. And I said, Roger that.

And then I immediately formed my own publishing company called Jocko Publishing. I talked to John Bozak, who did the art for the Warrior Kid books. And he was like, okay, we're going. This is due now. And he went into hyper creation mode. And the images are a lot different to Warrior Kid, because they're full color and their take up full pages and their dragons and just awesomeness and he laid out the entire book and did the art and colored it in

about a month and a half and now the book is in fact coming out in November so in the past when I would talk about pre-ordering book you know so you get the first edition what not and I would always say the publisher doesn't know needs to know how many books to print which is true now the person the publisher the person that needs know how many books to print is actually me so if you want to get some you need to order it people might think that this is dumb on my part which is fine to do this it's like a lot of taking on a lot of extra work probably won't make as much money should have done it on the normal publishing release cycle so you can get

more like they have a whole cycle the way They average, there's a whole thing. Yeah. There's a whole thing to make the book more popular and all this stuff, right? And I just had to look about it. The bottom line is, I don't really care about that. And I'll tell you what, after doing book signings and you see what the Warrior Kid book does for kids, I don't care about anything but trying to get this book into as many kids' hands as possible.

If I make less money, whatever. If it doesn't make the New York Times bestseller list, whatever. because this isn't about making money or it isn't about making the list or whatever. It's it's about these kids. It's about teaching kids a core lesson at a young age so that they can have a better life. Pretty straightforward aim goal mission. So if you got a kid or you know a kid or you just want to get after it and support the cause over here of of discipline and of justice and strength

and of overcoming fears, because that's what the book is about, then jump on Amazon. Order this book. It's called Mikey and the Dragons. And I appreciate that, because it'll help a lot of kids out. And that is, no matter what

a good thing to do in this world, no matter what kind of judgment, You want to put if you can help out a five-year-old a seven-year-old a four-year-old little kid Man that's worthwhile to me So Mikey and the Dragons Do you get some? Now Obviously we're gonna help some kids get on the path with that one

Maybe echo you could recommend some ways to get the you know basically the masses a little bit tighter on the path yeah you tell me and keep us on the path really when it comes down to it I like it yeah so yes so obviously

well it is obvious like I said last time we're talking about origin you know why because what when you think of path we're thinking what fitness or how should I say capability I don't want to see fitness or whatever it's not just fitness yeah it's like

it's like capability That's what it is. Capability, Jiu-Jitsu, which is essentially under the umbrella of capability. Somebody asked me today, another interview.

Sure. How do you recommend men? It was like one of those men-centric interviews. Yeah. How do you recommend men increase their confidence? Yes. And I thought about it for a second.

And I was, at first I was kind of like, you know, I don't know that I need to answer this question. This is kind of one of those things and then I just thought to myself. Okay Realistically how do you increase someone's confidence? Because it's kind of a throwaway question in a way, right? Isn't it a little bit of a throwaway question? It's like hey, what magic pill do you have to increase?

Right? That's the answer that I think was was being hoped for. Yeah, let's hear Jocco's version of this How do you increase your confidence and let's put that as a as a damn bullet point on the click bait, right? Navy SEAL tells you how to increase your confidence right right it's a clickbait all day long so I don't like those kind of things but I thought about it for a second I thought to myself okay where does confidence come from and then I rattled off I was like well first of all if you want to be confident then you should do things like exercise and be physically fit if you're physically fit your confidence will increase you tell me echo Charles Is that factual or wrong?

That is factual. Okay. So if you increase your physical capability, you'll be more confident. If you learn how to fight, if you learn Jiu-Jitsu, Muay, boxing, you will become more confident. Hey, does that sound like I'm a meathead? Maybe. Guess what? It's actually true.

It's actually 100% true. If you're physically capable and you actually know what to do with your physical capability in a confrontational situation you will become more confident okay so there's next what else okay how about we learn to articulate ourselves well okay yes will you be more confident if you can speak clearly and concisely and people can understand it yes you will become more confident how do you do that you practice you rehearse you carry on conversations you read a lot so that you have a better vocabulary once you're done with that what comes next well

Do we lack confidence if we are in the unknown? The answer is yes. How do you get more knowledge? You study, you read, you do your best to learn as much as you can possibly learn. And that will increase your confidence because you'll be more comfortable in more different situations because you have more knowledge. And the final thing is if you, one way of getting, this is like a self-licking ice cream. I mean going what I'm about to say but if you have the confidence to say I don't know your confidence will increase so I can go and get interviewed by anybody because a worst case

scenario I'll say you know I don't know about that I'm not I'm not I actually don't know anything about that I'm gonna have to pass on that question because I'm not sure am I is everyone in the world supposed to think that Jocko knows everything in the world Or am I Can I keep Can I Am I humble enough to admit That you know what

If you quiz me about every subject in the world I may not know it Is that okay It's fine No one expects me to be an expert in anything And definitely not everything Like I'm pretty good at a couple things But not an expert in anything

Yeah And so if you do those things You'll become more confident Yeah I thought that was pretty straightforward I think so too I think that's very uh how should say informative uh that kind of that kind of makes it less impactful if I say informative but yeah yeah there's all there's also another aspect and I guess this is covered by the other ones but like just stepping up and leading sometimes yeah we'll get you better at it yeah stepping up and talking in a group of people you'll get better at it yeah so when you say like basically like practice stuff rehearsal so yeah rehearsal so the talking to people that's a big one like you know how someone will you'll have like I don't know social anxiety and there's there's it's a spectrum some people have massive social anxiety some people just prefer not a lot of

people be there you know kind of thing and it's a spectrum um and and obviously real common right so yeah if you want to increase confidence you say okay in regards to the talking part right articulation practice talking to people like if you go to like the store this is kind of a little mental exercise they do you get a lot done in the grocery store let's hear the One of the few things I actually do. In the grocery store. How do we increase confidence as a drill in the grocery store? Yes.

So, okay, so, and I kind of got it from like being in like Oregon and sometimes in Hawaii where, so in Oregon, right. Okay, so we'll compare the two scenarios. In San Diego, in San Diego, if I go in the, I don't know, frozen food aisle and someone else is there kind of in front of the peas, whatever I'm getting. And I'm going to, I'm going to politely, hopefully, wait for them to finish and leave. But put bluntly, that's like I'm going to wait for them to get out of my way. And so I can do what I have to do. And then I'm going to, you know, in Oregon, you go to the frozen food section and someone else is there. They're going to look at you.

But hey, it's almost like an attitude like, hey, you're here too? Shoot, what do you get? You're getting peace too? Right on. Like, kind of like, it's like they acknowledge and for lack of better term, celebrate the fact that you're sharing space. You know, like, we're both at the grocery store, you know, kind of thing. Yeah. This is my interpretation of the.

Feel, right? So I kind of got that lesson and I'm quite like that too, but it's more because everyone kind of knows each other, you know, or you know, you see the guy you're like, hey, and they say hi. We kind of know everyone. That's the. Yeah. So what I did was kind of try to bring that. I really liked it by the way. The Aloha spirit. The Aloha spirit. Yeah. So now you go in the store and you're kind of sharing the same space. So I'm not saying every single person you pass. You're bothering them and hey, how's you know? You know. that stuff I'm not saying I'm saying if you're sharing their space say something to them acknowledge them politely right where you have to actively expend energy to say something yes but it's not this straight from Dalton yeah what I'm saying like actively like engage in their world right there you know so and that goes for like kind of everyone who's sharing space with you where they're you know how like you're standing there in line and you guys are just sort of you avoid eye contact because you're just on your your thing and they're on their thing and we're going to say out of each other's way it's not

Like don't play it like that play it like hey like you make Iconte say say hi you know kind of thing I didn't try to do as genuine as possible obviously because you don't want them to think you're gonna like catch them outside and sell them something or something like that and then same thing goes for like the cashier especially if you see them all the time you use you don't say the generic hey how are you like that kind yeah I don't know like make it for real like you care about like hey so how was it today you know because you know when you're a cashier you see people after people yeah if it gets crowded that's something if it's real dead that's Something so you can say hey how was it tonight was you know what I like to do I do that

More than just the random people I don't I usually leave people alone because I want to be left alone Right and uh huh so like no I love me in the store don't don't don't mess with you Yeah stay out of your way bro stay out of your way no but the cash register the you know the waitress The person behind the whatever coffee thing or you know like I'd always try and just be nice to them because I know that they're probably having a not nice day because When you're the cash register people are mad at you already just because there was a line and you couldn't find the The chocolate chip discounted coupon thing Yeah, and so you know, I like to give them a little acknowledgement that's all good and that there's actually humans out here

That are in the world and yeah Well, it's the same concept and I'm and my point is that that's just where it kind of came from So the whole point of this is just to increase your confidence and communicating with other humans Yes, so when when you do that the more and more you do that The more just I would say comfortable you get just talking to random people you know like just people it doesn't have to be your best friend to start opening up a little bit yeah obviously not everything but just just a little bit so now you go into a public place you're

no stranger to talking to strangers anymore you know and the more and more you do it so yeah you get more confident kind of like oh if this guy rolls up to me yeah I have no problem talking to this guy I don't have social anxiety yeah what up bro you don't know how my day's going bro I'll tell you how's that you know so it's that feeling and it helps Meanwhile, I'm over here, why are you looking at me? All in my way. Yeah, man. No, bro, spread the Aloha spirit.

Oh, cool, cool. And speaking of Aloha spirit, what were you talking about, Jiu-Jitsu? We were talking about confidence. We were talking about confidence, because in order to increase your confidence, one absolute 100% way to increase your confidence is to train J-Jitsu. Yes. All ages. All genders.

Let's just say to say safe for age four and up. Age four and up, yes, correct. Age four and up. Below that is like you. There's exceptions for blood. Nonetheless, play time. Yeah. Yes.

Which is part of Jiu Jitsu, by the way. Play time. Yeah, for sure. It should be fun. Right. Think about this as Jiu Jitsu, right? And you'll be able to relate to this. So, you know, like with your friends,

when you're young, right? A little kid, I don't know, maybe eight, nine, ten, 11, 12. Yeah. When you're 18, 19, 20, 23, whatever, when you're drunk at a party with your friends, it's all the same deal. You guys get in little friendly arguments and it's go time. You wrestle in the year,

Or in the living room, then your parents say, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're in a seal platoon. Yeah, exactly right. And your parents say, hey, take it outside. It's all this thing. You guys fight us in the grass or the dirt, whatever. And, you know, who can.

Rock fights. Usually, sometimes, yeah. Usually the bigger brother or, you know, your friend who's bigger, usually he's gonna get you, right? But it's fun. That's how it always, it's all fun. And maybe you lose your temper, maybe you fight, whatever. There's always a little brother that can't take it.

Yeah, can't take it. Yeah, exactly. And he tries to, like, kick you in the nuts. Like, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yeah, I do know what I mean? He gets all red in the face, bad temper. Got to look out for himself.

Yeah. He wants to project the power, even though he's smaller than everyone else because he's younger. Sure. That happens occasionally and which actually fits into what I'm about to say. So what jiu-jitsu is, it's basically that. But the skill that's required to win at that, you know? So we still have that need. Like, me and you right now.

Your whole point is to say that jiu-jitsu is fun. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. Okay, so no, but you got to unpack it because it's like you can see there's a lot of things that fun You're gonna just said Juj's fun no I think it's good no everyone knows it's fun I know The thing is but they don't know what kind of fun you know so if I say hey You know actually it's more fun than that well here's it's fun it's fun on a whole different level

Right well here this though here's it's fun because you're connecting things together that Are part of a like grand right it's like being a musician It's like yeah there is that well. Yes, there yeah There's that 100% but I think just as a fundamental kind of I don't want to say need but I don't want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to As a friend like do you want to take it on the match right now? Yeah kind of kind of thing like if we're like 10 years old you're like what you want to take it outside and see what up yeah as friends but that's all Jiu Jitsu really is that's really It's like yeah let's go on the mat and let's basically fight in a way that we don't burn our each other's bridges and not be friends anymore and then but on top of that it's like they teach you the skill to do that that can literally save your life oh yeah literally and at a minimum it will increase your confidence as a human as a human being yes sir sometimes it gives you too much confidence too much yes especially early on yeah especially if you're 13 14 15 21 yeah 21 you start

You can just smash yeah kill everybody none of that so if you're training jiu jih Tzu when you change jiu jitz It might be good to if you need jih Tzu gear which you do need some jih Tzu gear You need what's called a ghee if you need a ghee you can get a gie from our company Which is based here in America and we make geese All-American from the ground up you know from the dirt It's called origin main Eskies ever in the world too yeah ever ever in the history of peace and if you need rash guards Which you can use for jih Tjitsu you can also use them for weightlifting you can use them for

Running and cycling like cycling surfing guitar playing might not not might not be necessary I do not wear rash guard when I play guitar sure maybe I should maybe and those are also made here in America along with what else just regular close too like shirts and you know some athletic wear but the shorts that I wear I only wear well I have one pair like random camo shorts oh by the way I gonna get you some we got some new shorts coming and you're gonna be very excited about these shorts well I already am because every since even them the the error the mistake shorts that they made oh yeah yeah my favorite shirts literally ever and then they came out with deliberate shorts that they can actually sell

now now those are my favorite shorts so yeah you say or because you know why p.d. he cares like you don't care about the fashion stuff but they fashion subtleties It has to do with fit fit style but there's it's subtle though Yeah anyway they got a bunch of stuff on there Clothing wise as well like joggers and and you like the jugger and then they got supplements We got supplements sure we got supplements we got joint warfare We got joint warfare is good if you're working out if you're on the path your joints are gonna take a beating Joint warfare will protect them yeah and heal them

Crill oil another good one discipline Good pre-operational get some yes, get your mind right real quick get your body right and then of course we have a little something called Mulk yes sir we do what is Mulk really simple it's Mulk yeah so you know um you know Coa the kid yeah happens to be my cousin he's on the path oh the beginnings of the path yeah yeah taking the first Interestingly got on the milk train as the first step. That's an interesting first step. It is a pretty interesting, but here's why though. When you're not really technically on the path and you just drink milk, you just think

you're drinking a milkshake. See what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a good point. He was drinking for the taste. That's a good point. Which is good though, because it'll keep you on the path in regards to that additional protein that you're gonna get. The original flavor was mint chocolate, my favorite.

We went to peanut butter from there, available, then vanilla gorilla. I don't like plain vanilla. I just don't like, I don't want to, I don't want to eat vanilla anything. Like you, unless, unless I'm eating it with some damn chocolate cake. I'm not going to order vanilla ice cream ever. The other day when you had a cake situation, cake scenario, and some ice cream. What kind of ice cream loves it? It was vanilla.

There you go. And that whole scenario just unfolded wrong. It really did. I just rationalized the whole thing, lied to myself, just, it. And just got after it too, by the way. But what, well, here's what bummed me out. As soon as I was done, I was like, well, I was on the road, no milk. So when you don't have dessert, sometimes you get that little, oh, I'd like a little

something that tastes good to wash down the steak. That's a good steak. And then there's no milk because I'm on the road. I got to figure that out. I got to figure that out. People give me good suggestions. I know I can put a little baggy in the thing and just grab some milk somewhere and mix it up, no factor.

So I need to start doing that. I don't like vanilla So no Vanilla is not my favorite flavor Right the vanilla tastes good Yes sir I was not the judge on the vanilla You know Pete and Brian were like hey

The vanilla is awesome I said I'll try it It tastes fine I'm not the judge because I don't Want to judge something that I don't Fully comprehend I'm not deserving of being a vanilla judge So therefore I didn't do it And but the darkness Which is chocolate

the darkness that is also freaking delicious and when you're getting this stuff You'll be getting it from origin main you got Cindy up there you met Cindy of course she's fired up So when you're getting your stuff packed it's not just being It's not just being randomly placed in a box by a robot Yeah no Cindy's up there she's getting after it and I'm gonna say one more thing little announce announcement Sure little announcement so you you remember when you You were a little kid. Yes.

And you love chocolate milk. Yes, he do. And you love strawberry milk. You loved it so much. Whatever, whatever little brand name that you got, and there was a couple of them that were prominent. And they tasted delicious. And it was like dessert. And for some reason, you didn't really understand why, but your parents would actually allow you to drink it all the time.

Yeah. Because your parents thought, well, you know, it's got milk in it, so it's got to be good to go. Yeah, it's got, it'll make their bones strong. Yeah. So we'll just let them drink it. What they didn't realize is that little Chocolate and strawberry milk that you were drinking as a kid is completely filled With sugar and high fructose corn syrup and a bunch of other chemicals that they couldn't even pronounce

And so the milk that your parents my parents were allowing me to drink was actually a freaking net loss Overall to my health because it was filled with poison but it tasted good and you loved It was like a dessert you could have all the time But it was filled with poison. So you know what we did we fixed it we fixed it and we now have Available at this time War your kid milk Yes, warrior kid mulk. We made chocolate and we made strawberry just like you remember when you were a kid Only instead of having a bunch of garbage in it it's got protein extra protein 12 grams It's got vitamins that you need it's got a

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Order up some warrior kid mulk for your children. Yeah, but yeah available now my kids going straight on the milk Oh yeah yeah one speed one-way thick Get, did that apply one-way ticket on the moat? Yeah, yeah, you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, totally. Yeah. The vanilla, speaking of which, but my son, two years old, by the way, liked the vanilla. Ask for more.

There you go. I didn't know. I'm like, should I give my son that much additional protein, you know? You even question that? You know, I just don't know a lot of things, you know, it's for in regards. Either way. So, okay, yes, kids on the milk train on the path. Kids are on the path.

Yes. Straight up. They want to be. At that book signing, there weren't many kids there. Yeah. The ones that I did on the East Coast, lots of kids. Tons of kids. All of them on the path fired up, man.

It was amazing. Every kid there last night was on the path. Huge time. One kid literally tried to challenge me to a jiu-jitsu match on more than one occasion. And I'm not even joking. Like, for real, wanted to. Which I dug, by the way. I mean, I couldn't engage him because, you know, I'm injured.

Good thing you didn't challenge me you'd be getting that double layer Straight out Either way, okay kids on the bass, so which brings me to our Store jaco has a store. It's called Jocko store, right? Pretty straightforward. Anyway, there is what there are your kid rash guards for when they joined Jiu Jitsu no ghee part of it Rash guards on there there's obviously worried kid shirts Yeah, if they're in the key part of it that's cool you go to origin main.com and you get them you get them the warrior geet

Get some. Boom. And also new addition for Warrior Kids patches on there right now. If you went literally right now, you get live. Yep, live patches. Yeah, for your gear, for your backpack. You know, obviously wherever you want to put it. But, yeah, the little round one and a long kind of jiu-jitsu.

Kind of for jihitsu, but you put it wherever I want. Anyway, yeah, it's on jocco store.com. Also on jocco store.com is where you can get your shirts, disciplining freedom. That's one of the thing about shirts is, Everyone wears shirts even if you don't want to wear one which I don't like wearing a shirt Hell no but I you sometimes you got to wear a shirt you kind of got to wear a shirt Everyone needs a shirt might as well be a kind of a cool one might as well represent

Yeah big time and truckers hats truckers hats on I'm just completely stoked on my discipline I'm just are the Def Corps hats out yet the Def Corps hats are should be done are they live? I don't know okay I got to there is a there is a technical thing where Like the logo and you know because hats have panels a certain amount of panels and you know the logo does it fit on this this does it go on the seam? Yeah or do we need a different panel hat now so anyway it's very technical Well let's hope the Defcore hat is out soon that's deep representing right there What about the Defcore shirt? Is there a pure Defcore shirt? Black cops? Yes and then I was gonna I was thinking a one called DefCore Declassified It's just white on white.

You know, whatever, black off. You see what I'm saying. Anyway, well, you know, yeah. You know, I'm gonna have to ask that we all kind of just kind of check back on that one. Okay. Maybe it's life, maybe it's not. Nonetheless, if you go there and you want to represent hardcore, that's where you can get your shirt. Or hoodie.

New hoodie on the way, by the way. Oh. Heavy duty? Heavy duty. Technically. This better be good, my brother. Technically, that's the thing. Anyway, hooties on there.

A lot of cool stuff on there. Oh, and I did the research, what, what's better? What do people, literally, what do people like better, Flex Fit hat or trucker hat? Which one, one? Even. Even Steven. Okay, cool.

Actually, there's like, I think two more people, historically speaking, like the snapback. So technically, you're right. Yes. But nonetheless, we got some rash guards on there as well. All right, also, we got the podcast, subscribe to it wherever. No, don't forget the warrior kid podcast. A lot of people don't know about that yet.

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Oh down this a communist Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay so So that's good And we're got some plans for the YouTubey. Gonna step it up a little bit. Yeah. A little bit more, I should say. Because you stepped it up a little bit.

Yeah. We're step it up a little bit more. Yeah, I think videos just in general are like fun to watch. Yeah, it could be just speaking for myself. But, you know, I would tend to agree with you. And also psychological warfare, working on album number two psychological warfare. We're aiming for a Christmas release. If you have any suggestions, hit me up on Twitter.

In the meantime, you got the psychological warfare. One album which can help you get through whatever little moments of weakness I wish I had it the other day for that cake got my brain with ice cream Yeah, so watch out for that one was good about that you learned it seemed like anyway according to your post You that you learned a little lesson and you're open about it too. Yeah, yeah, that's good Yeah, you can't be like hiding your failures and then acting like no because I'm human Yeah, yeah anyone that thinks I'm not human you're wrong. I'm all too human I tapped out in jujitsu

I get what I mean I mean it's like yeah hey and you pound huge pieces of cake every once in a while cake with ice cream oh so disappointed in myself anyway stay on the path

is what I'm saying also if you're if you're incorporating kettlebell workouts in various ring workouts I'll tell you where you can get them get them from on it on it dot com slash jaco by the way I incorporate rings every single

day every single day you're on the ring for ads in core bra it's good and I can't quite I can almost do pull-ups again with my bice up or whatever but muscle up's coming too muscle up's coming actually that actually my shoulders getting back up to speed yeah it went through a little down period then it got then it got healed now that I tweaked it again doing something stupid you know what I did yeah eat ice cream that's what you did I didn't do that I added massive numbers of weighted dips super deep and it And it messed up your shoulder. Messed up my shoulder.

That was like six months ago or something. I mean, it was a long time ago. Yeah, dealing with it. But finally, it's coming back around. Yeah, shoulders pain in the ass, man. Yeah, you got to do the maintenance, man. You got to do the maintenance, and I don't do enough of it. You need to do more of it.

Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, on it, go there. You can get some cool workout stuff. And actually good travel workout stuff, too. Like those, well, you always said this. I know, but, you know, I'm slowly coming into the realization. When you travel with rings, right, opens up your whole travel workout. Oh, that's a game changer.

Yeah Game change. Yeah. If you're working out too And you're working on that deadlift One thing you can do Is if you probably

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or the ones in a tea bag that you can get them on Amazon. If you can't, if your deadlift isn't 8,000 pounds after that, just drink more and you'll get there. Just keep drinking it into it. Also got some books. Obviously, the way of the warrior kid books,

the first one is weigh the warrior kid. The second one is Mark's Mission. Which is the best book. And I'm going to say it. It's a bold statement. In fact, I was debating whether or not to actually say it out loud. That's the best book in the world.

Straight up. Mark's mission. The second one. You, okay, so I'm reading it too, but we just finished it a week ago. Oh, this is your first time finishing it? Yeah, okay. Interesting. Interesting.

So, well, because we jumped around to another book. It's a long story, but nonetheless, yeah, so finished it, right? So you know why though, now that I'm searching my feelings? It'll talk about this right now, please. It starts to address a little bit more sophisticated issues that you can go through, you know, even though when you think you got it figured out, you know? You know you're taking Jiu-jitsu now and you can do pull-ups and all this stuff So to address those a little bit more advanced issues sophisticated But like the depth of which like these issues go and the way you got to solve them are like

The way it's simplified and broken down to kids or to whoever's reading it because quite frankly it's broken out to me in this case Is like it's pretty we'll just say it's pretty interesting But at the same time you it you glorify things like hard work right in a way that it actually makes the kid want to work hard so it's like yeah getting a job like go mow lawns and pull weeds by the way which if we all you know we all know that when you did that as a kid you're like no bro we don't want to do that pulling weeds is is a form of punishment yeah in my house yeah exactly right at this time after reading that part um my daughter by the way she wants to pull weeds

yeah she's she's salty because she doesn't have a job mowing long at lawns and pulling weeds yeah and he makes like he's like 40 dollars i made for $40 right like exclamation point she's like oh my gosh you need $40 I want to make $40 you know just the way it's laid out how simple but you know I'm getting into it and it's I see it affecting it my daughter so then it moves on to the jiu jitsu part and this part affected me you know it's like well let's face it like that's why when you get nervous in jiu jih Tzu with tournaments or whatever like there was I remember when I was competing and strangely I was competing a lot too like every like maybe two three weeks there was a tournament back then wasn't as often as no but And I would be competing but every single one seems like we're driving there and if like my wife who is I think my girlfriend at the time And my brother whoever's driving was if they're talking about other stuff I'm like getting mad at them because I'm like don't you realize I've a tournament It's like that idea. You know and I'm like I don't behave that way but that's what's going on my mind and a And a tangible small but tangible part of my mind is like hoping that like the gym burnt down when we got there like Like I just don't want to you know it's like that it's weird

But then the way like you lay out because Mark didn't want to compete in tournament, right? And the way you lay out and you really it's a call out is what it is It's like you're calling out You're like I'm afraid but you're not afraid of Jiu Jiu Jitsu you do Jiu Jitsu every day Full speed by the way and you're not afraid of juice. You're afraid of losing And guess what losing is okay It's like it really hit me anyways and then from there to me from then on it was like And how it culminate is good man It's straight up the best book in the world. I'll give it to you. Don't want to, but never mind Cormack McCarthy

Never mind about face way the warrior kid. They also got the discipline equals freedom field manual How to get after it for adults and actually a lot of kids read this book. That's where they graduate They graduate from Warrior kid. I talk to a lot of parents and they're like oh yeah Once you know now he's 14 he just read Discipline equals freedom field manual So that's the that's the graduate. Can you imagine if you had that book when you're a 14 game changer Yeah game changer Right anyone I'll tell you right now the warrior did one

That one yeah Yeah no the feedback that I get from but the it's the same kind of feedback I get from the kids from the field manual Of people that are like hey I read this every day I read two pages this every day So I can keep my mind right Yeah that and that's how that works like that's the one you refer back to every day or you know every other day or whatever whatever yeah that guy hit me up on Twitter remember that story I told about being Yosemite yeah and the dude was in the river sure and he's like I said oh he

recognized me and I was getting all fired up with him and he was like I'm here to get my mind right I was like yeah anyways that's the guy's friend hit me up on Twitter and that dude's name is meth that's his name his name is mef meth M-E-T-H oh like the drug right up yeah got it but he was not a meth user That just happens to be his name. Gotcha. Okay, then also, extreme ownership, obviously. That's the first book, wrote with my brother Laf Babin,

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find us out there on the interwebs on Twitter on Instagram and on that echo is at echo Charles and I am at jocco Willink and thanks to all military police law enforcement correctional officers firefighters border patrol paramedics all first responders it was great meeting so many of you roll call was just awesome to meet you all and at a bunch of the other events I've done the past couple weeks the book signings and whatnot knowing that you all are out there holding the line and watching our six and protecting our flanks is awesome and I'll tell you what I do not take it for granted I do not take it for granted that you're there and no one should so thanks to you all for doing what you do and for everyone else that is out there

remember the way and remember that you can use it everywhere in everything that you do so find the enemy's weak points attack the enemy violently be bold and decisive seize and hold the initiative keep the enemy under constant pressure and off balance and be fully prepared to accomplish the mission regardless of the conditions under which the war begins and of course you do all those things by stepping out into the fray and getting after it and until next time this is echo and jocco out