Jocko Podcast - 146: Holistic Talent, Holistic Success, and What Game Are You Playing?

Episode Date: October 10, 2018

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This is Jocko podcast number 146 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. And I wanted to kind of delve into and slash explain some conversations that I've had lately. Sure. With a couple of people. And actually, I think the numbers increase now because now I've had this conversation with a few people. And I'm, I am feeling like I need to.

to kind of share this idea with kind of with more people I guess at this point it's kind of a discussion that applies to everyone at some level sort of about what you are and about who you are and about where you've been and about where you're going so that's a pretty broad topic I think it suffice it to say now in order to convey this properly I'm gonna try and set up some visuals in your head because you gotta kind of see this

right graphs whatever charts all right diagrams diagrams and I'm gonna try and keep them simple but pretty straightforward

here we go we're gonna grade things we're gonna grade things one to ten because that's sort of the stand is that the standard yes I mean I guess you go A B C D F yeah but we're not doing that yeah we're going one to ten one being the worst ten being the best one being the least ten being the most that type of thing okay so so you have a chart picture in your head

at the bottom of the chart is a one that's the lowest that's the worst at the chop this ten that's the highest that's the most now the first chart that we're gonna talk about it measures talent now what's different about this chart is this is not just talking about a particular talent this talking about every possible type of talent that you as an individual human being have and it's consolidating that all those different types of talents into one giant score one holistic score ten at the top or one at the bottom so this is this is everything that you are as a person how smart you are the only the only thing is everything you are as a person that

you are given naturally right yeah So there's a baseline of how smart you are so how intelligent you are now we know you can work to get smarter But we're just talking the baseline how How charismatic you are as a person how well you read people's emotions how athletic you are And that grades you can grade all different types of athleticism in there what strength because some people are naturally strong some people are naturally Flexible some people have natural cardiovascular endurance right you get a certain level of that naturally of course we know people can work hard you can improve some of that But we're just talking your natural talent healthy That's sort of a talent sort of like some people are born healthier than others

No doubt about it how good looking you are you ever seen those little Like I don't know if they're psychological experiments but they put like the faces in front of the babies and like the babies Pick the the one that looks nicer to them it has to do with Symmetry yes symmetry and ratios and stuff like this so so that that's a talent thing that you're getting and naturally your natural body composition right some people are born a little bit with a little bit more fat on them some people are born with a little bit muscle on them some people are born with the skin and bones right you get everything yeah again I

know you can work on some of those but we're talking about what you got out of the gate from your creator or nature or wherever you think you got it from yeah So at the top of that chart, I don't know, who's at the top of that chart? Maybe, I mean, there's people. There's a bunch of people that would rank towards the top of that chart. So who's up there? Well, yeah, ultimately hard to tell because you don't know what, you don't know what was given to him or what's working for.

But, you know, to look at them, you know, and kind of judge a book. To assess someone as a whole. Yeah, I don't know, like the rock type character, Dwayne Johnson. The rock. He's charismatic. He's a good. athlete really good athlete he's tall he's he's got a good acting skill which again did he work hard for these things we better we better give the rocks some credit we're gonna

hear from him work for all that but hey he's given some natural stuff good that's a very good one uh tom brady right yes he's smart he's a good athlete he's you know got some leadership skills so he's got some some some natural gifts that again does he work hard we're not taking that away from him but you're born with some stuff gsp maybe right just be really good athlete smart guy you know level headed you know just he's a very talented guy so there you go you take that chart you look at that chart the one to 10 where's the where those but where's the rock he's like a 9.6 he's up there yeah and then you ask yourself where are you on that chart where are you on that chart

And I've asked quite a few people this. And we're still talking naturally. We're just talking what you got naturally. Where do you think most people, where would you rank yourself? Naturally, I don't know, five. Oh, most people rank themselves. Most people that I've asked have ranked themselves a little bit higher than that. They've ranked themselves 6.8, 7.2.

In that, they're giving themselves a little bit above average, right? Yeah. You're going five, huh? Well, keep in mind we just said the rock. So I'm like, all right. Yeah, that's true. You know what we should have done is we should have said one to a hundred so you could say the rock is a 96 It'd still be a 50 okay cool cool

Yeah, all right, so you're giving yourself five so so so that that's that's good and I'm sure you know we could break that down About where you got the because because some people this is important Some people can be a 10 or a 9.8 for their intellect Yeah, but maybe They socially don't have good skills about reading they weren't born with that little thing Right so they can't read people well so even though they're really smart they're not they're not making anything happen because they can't even communicate with people well or they're just they're not healthy right They're bad athletes some people the opposite wicked good athlete but they're just not that smart Right and everything but so you could you could you could be a nine athlete but you're a

A very low whatever intellect and that's gonna bring you down might even bring you down below a So you got that chart and that's it. Okay, so now we got that the holistic talent chart. That's what we'll call it. We got the holistic talent chart on one side now in your head. I want you to picture on the other side the other side is another chart also one to ten one being the least 10 being the most and this chart is to grade success now this is not easy to do because of course you can ask yourself what is success right what is really being successful and this is a good question and I remember I don't know if you remember this when people started asking me a lot about my how to raise your kids and I said well I don't want to talk about how to raise kids because I don't know if I'm a success I don't know if my kids are successful I don't know if I should be giving that advice yeah because what if my kids aren't

successful and and then when you when I started talking about that question it's like okay what If my kid, if one of my kids goes and get a job at an investment bank and is making $450,000 a year as a 26 year old, is that successful? It could be, but what if that kid is miserable? What if that kid, you know, is doing cocaine, right? That's not successful. That's horrible. So it's very hard to, so that makes you start thinking about what is success. But I think we can generally know and understand what success brings.

oddly is when you look at these individual categories right so okay good family right you've got a good stable scenario going on with your family if you're old enough to have a family if you're not old enough to have family at least you are prepared to have a good family life that type of thing that's one level of success a gratifying job meaning a job that because you can I know people that make a ton of money in their job and they hate it yes right yes so is that successful mm Maybe not. I know people that love their job, but they don't make any money.

And they're struggling paycheck to paycheck. Does that, is that success? I don't know. Again, these are all things we could kind of weigh out. Yeah. And then you've got health and wellness because even though we talked about what you're given naturally, you got to remember that you think you can work for something. And you can be successful and be healthy and be mobile and be not worried about getting out of breath.

when you walk up the stairs or whatever. So the overall health and wellness. And so again, you have to take all these different types of success, all of them, and wrap them up holistically. And I don't know, could we throw, and this might be the wrong, you could possibly throw kind of a strange, you could possibly throw just the whole word happiness onto the situation, right? This the general term happiness where I but I think that's a scary thing to do

Because happiness isn't necessarily a good thing in terms of you meet someone that's had a few beverages And even though their life's a disaster man, they're having a good time at the bar. They're pretty happy Is this our goal not really that's why I think happiness is a I don't know that I would throw it into this chart I would call it success because it has a little bit more strength to it now you got your two you got your two you two charts now on the left you have holistic talent is that what I called it yes holistic talent holistic talent on the left on the right you have holistic success success now here's the question and I could ask you where you are on the success side yeah where I

are you seven oh okay good good so you were a five for talent and you're a seven for success that's pretty best pretty legit let me ask you this is every person that is at the top of the talent chart holistically with everything they've got is every one of those people that scores a 9.8 at the top of the success chart and the answer is no the answer is no is every person that's on the bottom of the talent holistic talent chart on the bottom of the success chart no the answers no and what do we see we see that there's a well when you put the space in between these two there's talent holistic talent and there's holistic success and

there's a space in between and that's what actually matters that's what actually matters what do you do what do the thing and that to me and I hate to get I hate to throw this out there mm-hmm but for me the thing that's in between the left and the right the thing that's in between talent success is is can be summed up in one word discipline discipline do you have the discipline to do the work to make the hard decisions to put in the daily grind that's gonna get you from wherever you You started out with whatever level of talent you had and move yourself up that chart on the right hand side.

Mm-hmm. I think it's important to recognize this. And this conversation, this particular conversation, the first time I had it was with a younger person who I could see in their eyes had the sense of like, I don't know if I have the talent. And it's like, well, you know what? don't know if you have the talent either there's one way to find out you do the hard work

you implement discipline on your life and that will give you the opportunity to see how far up that success one thing I can tell you is if you don't have the discipline and you don't do the work you're not going to be above your your holistic talent level at all there's some people that make a run for it man you know what I mean there's some people that have no talent or very limited talent But they get after it and they end up way far on the success and you know what I think is good about this When you get some success you kind of compound that back into your hard work and people start to get on an Upward spiral upward mobility towards the top of the success chart because they got a little foot hold

Once they got that foothold it felt good then they take another step they get a little bit further and then they get a little a little bit more success boom and then they use that to propel themselves up a little higher The problem is the reverse happens as well Yeah, that's the problem people feel a little bit of they got beat at something Right the the the bad luck came their way because you know what on this in between there's some luck in between the discipline There's absolutely some luck as well There's some luck and you can get lucky you can meet the right person at the right time You can you can make a move at the right time before anyone else did You can you can get discovered by someone or something you know there's there's definitely some luck

involved for sure you can't count on the luck the luck is not the reason some people like to look at someone else and say they're lucky they didn't see the the thousands and thousands of hours of hard work that person put it they just saw the last little end result

where they got lucky allegedly yeah yeah the luck thing is weird because if you kind of extrapolate it out like someone who okay when I played football we had to do these cool shirts

and they say something on the back or the front I don't know whatever and it says chance favors, one of them said chance favors the prepared man. True. So it's like same thing, right? Chance and luck, same thing. So you'll, like, the more prepared you are, the more skills you have, the more, whatever,

the quote unquote, lucky you're going to get. But really, when you switch the word luck for chance, you just increase your chances of success. True. So like, you know, I don't know, who got discovered, you know? They're going to be in a position to be discovered. Yeah. You know, because whoever, quote, unquote, discovered them, I'm sure many people have been in that situation, too.

You know, like, you know, some guy goes on the news, right, with his baskets that he makes, you know, or whatever. And boom, he blows up because those baskets are dope. Yeah. But, brad, plenty of people have been on the news with their thing, you know, for years, decades, centuries, maybe. Well, maybe not centuries, but, you know. No, no TV centuries ago. People have been going on the news with their thing for a long time. Yeah.

Same thing with American Idol. A lot of people have been on American Idol. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many people really made it? Right. You know, as far as getting discovered, whatever, it's like, oh, yeah, you got lucky, whatever. Yeah, man, but you're not going to get lucky if you're kind of whack, you know. Like, if you're not prepared, if you don't have the skill, you don't have the talent, you don't have the X, Y, Z that it takes.

Then, yeah. So it's kind of like, yeah, the luck is sprinkled in there everywhere, by the way. You know, and maybe they didn't get discovered on the news, but maybe they would. went to somewhere else and then got discovered you know a year two years later or whatever you know so you just increase the probability being discovered when you have the skill so yeah luck sure it is part of it is a thing for sure but yeah it can propel you a little bit faster sometimes yeah but it's it's like one of those things where you talk like a foothold right there's a bunch of foothold right there's a bunch of footholds everywhere just because someone latched on to one specific one that everyone's a point to and

say he got lucky there well he's so good or she's so good most of the time most of time there's exceptions everywhere obviously but most of the time that person's so good they would have got discovered somewhere else anyway it's just a matter of oh this particular one made them get discovered and propelled them all quick or whatever yeah well this ties back into something that I've said before and I'll say it again right now is make your luck yeah you got to make your luck and if you make it if you keep if you keep putting forth the maximal effort that luck's gonna come you're gonna make your luck happen you know that you know that actually when we when we came when tasking a bruiser came home from

Iraq there was there was you know people like all you guys got super lucky on that deployment because we got a lot of action right and there was two like immediate thoughts behind that was number one like hey you know first of all we lost our bros like there are nothing lucky about that was the first immediate thought in my head was like hey man like because because the bottom line is seals want to go into combat bad and that's just a broad statement and so when we came home had been in a lot of combat and killed a lot of bad guys and people were kind of saying hey you guys got lucky and and again the first thought was hey man you if this is luck I don't want it the second thought was just like the same

thing oh we got lucky we didn't like crush ourselves in the work And try and be the most you know prepared we could be and then get overseas and inform relationships with all the conventional forces and do good work for them and continue to You know just get go as hard as we could the whole time. No, that didn't have anything to do with it. It was just luck and it kind of fell into our lap But you know of course just nod your head and say thanks man appreciate it. Yeah good times So luck is definitely a part of it a little part because were we was I lucky to be in Ramadi because I could have deployed a year later And a year later Ramadi was passed by it. So is there luck there? There absolutely is So I don't want to sound arrogant right but luck is a part it's like footlocks. It's like heel hooks Sure they're a part of the game they're not a game changer right there are a part of the game they're not a game changer we we had a group come in this is

back in the day a group came in a guys that were known for foot locking and heel hook and And what they didn't they thought we were jiu-gitsy guys normal jit-guists, but we weren't because we were Dean So we were footlock and heel-hugging all the time And these guys came in and Immediately they were going for these the kind of guys that would go and I don't know if you I don't know if you remember this time period in Jiu-jitsu It was like immediate they're going for a foot lock like just diving for it Yeah, but they didn't know that we did for locks all time and you weren't gonna just grab a full lock on Dean Lester or me

Like that this wasn't gonna happen And it kind of even all of a sudden they didn't have the rest of jiu jitsu You didn't have the rest of the game so then it was not good for him because they only had this one-dimensional game and that's what taught me that footlocks are important But they're not more important than a choke or a guard pass They are definitely part of the game you can't leave out But they're not a game changer and you see that now now that you see everyone broadly getting good at at the whole leg lock Foot locking heel-hooking game now you see it coming back around where you have to have the rest of Jiu-jitsu as well Yeah, like even even as much as like a year ago

It was like oh this guy got this crazy heel hook and the guy tapped and you know what was happening That very rapidly changes into okay the guy went for a heel hook the other guy got out now we got a back to we're back to the jiu-jits So same thing luck is a factor. It's not the factor Yeah, all right now that's number one this is the number one thing I wanted to talk about today if you're in that position where you're looking at your talent and I guess this is I guess it's applicable to people that are a little bit younger because people that are a little bit older they probably figured this out already you probably looked at yourself in the mirror and said hey look I I might not have

that much talent but I can I can get after it you know it's something you say about basketball too and I don't I know you want a basketball play I played basketball growing up and when I was growing up it was like the heyday of the Lakers and the Celtics rivalry and all All this. Well, the hard work, right? Just this like, hey, I'm gonna work harder than anyone else to make up for my lack of talent.

And they would say about Larry Bird, you know Larry Bird is? Yes. They would say this is kind of garbage. They'd say Larry Berg wasn't athletic, which is total garbage. I mean, but people would say that. And maybe it's because he didn't have

the biggest vertical jump or whatever. And they'd say he was like slower than other players. but he worked so hard that he was able to compensate for that. Now again, when I heard that when I was a kid, I kind of believed it when you see Larry Bird now, when I watched games, he's a freaking awesome athlete. You know,

and you're not playing in the NBA and being a world champion over and over again MVP without being an awesome athlete. How tall was Larry Bird? How old is he? How tall? He's like 6, 8? Yeah, tall guy.

I remember this guy named Spud Webb, who's like five something. Yeah, yeah, Spud Webb, for sure. You know, there is that. Yeah, man, I dig it and remember this is spud web probably had to work harder to make what about there's a guy name I think his name was Mugsy Boggs You remember Mugsy Bokes? He was now he was even smaller than Spud web But he was so small that people it was a different little situation that the players had to deal with

He was so small and so fast and what's interesting I got some friends in hockey and as a matter of fact the goals you know the goals The goal the San Diego goals. Oh yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah So I went down and talked to the goals and what's cool about what's cool about that level of athletics Which is the minor leagues the goals are a minor league team What's cool about that level of athletics is those guys are hungry They're they're not prima donnas that are you know Driving around in a chaufford car and all that stuff these guys are hungry and they're playing hard and And what's interesting is in hockey and this is within the last few years

At one point a few years ago They were just getting the bigger and bigger and bigger hockey players just getting bigger guys because you just they're just monster guys that are six six and six five And six four and they weigh a you know two sixty And that was the way hockey was going but then what happened was they started bringing out these guys that were Smaller and faster yeah and that could Go maneuver quicker than the bigger guys and all of a sudden hockey's going back in that direction of smaller faster guys So it's interesting and the amount of Talent that that employs hey figured out you can make something happen Mugsy Bogs spud web

Make it happen regardless of height but to my point Larry Bird when I was a kid I would hear about Larry Bird not being a good athlete and all you had to do was work hard which which left an impression on me as a kid Hey look very bird's not that he's not that great athlete but he's going to work hard So that's what I'm gonna do work hard yeah work harder They say that about Dan Gable too yeah the wrestler yeah hey maybe not the fastest But his thing was I'll outwork them all You ever heard stories about him Dan Gable? Yeah, he would just run from every every place he would go he would run oh no I didn't hear that story from class to class in college from

class to the cafeteria you'd run everywhere so hard work now okay so that wraps up we got talent on the one side we got success on the other side and that's cool and we know that we can progress up that chart for the young people out there and even the old people out there if you if you're if you're if you're on the lower end of that chart of of the talent chart boom Work hard apply discipline make good decisions you can end up further you can go to the top of that success chart Boom now now we're gonna get away I guess we're gonna get away from the holistic success a little bit here Maybe not maybe maybe not this is a conversation that I've also had and it had it primarily with two two people that I know Pretty one of them very well and one of them decently well and this is the conversation these two individuals

High talent High in the talent chart so what does that mean? They're smart, you know they've got that Personal interoperability with other human beings on top of that super driven on top of that They've got the whole work thing too. They got the discipline thing down to They got all that they're maxed out in the game that they're playing So what do I mean by that in soccer? How many goals can you score? Let's say you're the best team the best player on your team and you're gonna play a season worth of soccer

How many goals can you score in the whole season in the whole season? I don't know how many games is he I don't know let's call it let's say you play 15 games So you're gonna I don't know 45 maybe 60 goals okay that's completely unrealistic Yeah, we'll take it 15 so you say three goals three goals a four goals a goal 45 yeah we'll go that this guy gets a hat trick which is a rarity in soccer will say he gets it for every game for a 15 games season and that's where he ends up Oh, okay yeah he ends up at 45 goals. I typically watch kids soccer, so okay my numbers might pee off a little bit Okay, now what if you were a basketball player? How many games how many goals can you make in basketball? In a game? You know realistically on the high end 21 points? Yeah, then you multiply that times a season and you obviously can score way more in basketball and than you can in soccer, clearly.

Yeah. This is where, again, I've had this conversation primarily around the financial aspects of work for people. If you get in, you have to look at the game that you're playing. Because sometimes the game that you're playing is soccer. And it doesn't matter how much talent you have and it doesn't matter how much hard work you put into it. You can only score 45 goals and that's it.

And meanwhile someone that maybe doesn't even have the talent and doesn't have the work ethic that you had but they're playing a different game and they're scoring 200 300 400 goals They're making two three times as much money as you why because the game that they are playing So you have to look at that every game just about Well say it every game that you can play has a cap on it of what you can actually make until you get to the top and you look at it and you change your angle You change your you change your angle of the game You could say I'm gonna create a new game you know you could get really good at soccer and say you know what? I've maxed this game

I'm gonna create a new game Where it's a smaller field and a bigger goal you know you could do that and people do that in industry right people do that in industry They get to the top of their game and they start a new game a different game they change the rules a little bit when they can score more I'm totally supportive of that The problem is I just want to make sure that people recognize that sometimes you've put in awesome you've got you're a very talented person You've put in a lot of work and you got to the you got to the you got to the you you you got out your game You're gonna get as many goals as you're gonna get that's it and so you can't get frustrated I'll tell you what

I was in the Navy I was in the Navy get everyone I was in I was in I retired as an O4 E a over 20 which means which means I was a prior enlisted guy you can go look at what my salary was and then you can add my little specialty pays in for jump dive demo special duty assignment pay you can add those little things in there You can add my beat officer housing basic allowance for housing in there you can figure out I mean it's you're gonna make this much money That's it that's the cap yeah that's what you're gonna make now Now we start to talk about can you play multiple games at the same time and the answer to that is yes you can you can play multiple games now

I kind of I kind of said this on a different podcast somebody talked about you know having a side hustle while you're in the military and I was like well no you can't really do that because you know you got to focus 100% on your job and then but the reality is I had a side hustle the whole time I was in because I guess what was doing how is buying houses I was saving my money I was driving in 1997 Dodge Grand Caravan and I was buying a house here I was buying a house there and that's when you have a when you have a alternate job or an alternate game that you're gonna play in the military it's okay it just has to be on a complete not to

interfere your basis so doesn't interfere occasionally if you're if you got a few properties and one of them has a broken water heater you can mitigate that by Making sure you got a good property manager and making sure you know the right handy man that can go over and square that stuff way and get that problem solved I had some catastrophic situations I had the big flood For the big flowed no a slab like Cracked pipe in the slab I'd a crack One of my rentals has flooded twice

Once from the ceiling once from the ground How does it flood from the ceiling from the ceiling crack pipe Upstairs bathroom crack pipe somewhere boom drip, drip, drip, next thing you know, you've got water damage. The other one, pipes running through the slab because something goes wrong or whatever, and that thing starts to leak. Tenets don't say anything for a long period of time, even though they're hearing, they're hearing squish, squish, under the flooring.

They don't say anything. Guess what? Everything's ruined. You got to come in. So what do you do with those catastrophic situations? Well, if you've got the right management team in place

gets handled. Get handled. Make the phone calls. People get it taken care if you don't have to worry about it. So you can do that. It's got to be on a not-to-interfere basis with your primary job

if you're in the military. And really, it's the same thing if you have a primary, you know, you got your primary job, you're working for someone, you're doing nine to five. You don't want to interfere. You want your side-ad alternative gig

to be on a not-to-interative gig. To be on a not-to-intermit. for your primary gig now the other thing that you can do and this is where you start to look at okay because you you you you you're playing games you're playing these different games because you want to move yourself up on the success level sometimes you have and I see people do this and some people do this really well they have one game that they're playing to make money they have another game that they're playing to be you know to win in their health

They're doing marathons. They're jacking steel. They're doing jujitsu. They've got another game that they're playing to get some sort of gratification out of life, some kind of positive gratification out of life, whether they're working as a volunteer, whether they're donating time to the soup kit, whatever they're doing.

They're doing something that's giving them some gratification that they're moving the ball forward for humanity. And that's, that's, that's a good thing in my opinion so sometimes I think someone's they're they're they're losing their soul because they're working a job to make money they don't like it they're not healthy and they're and they feel like they're just given all their time to the man mm-hmm what should that person do in that situation find some other games that you can play to find some other games find a game to take

care of your health find a game to take care of your family I mean you know for for family right how do you what game Can you play to take make sure you get the family unity that you want there's all kinds of things that you can do right Whether it's camping whether it's vacations whether it's going on on rock climbing trips whether it's everyone going to do Jiu jihitsu whether it's you're doing a 15 minute PT in the morning whatever but there's things there's some games that you can play to bring to get that side of things So there's all kinds of these various will call them games that get played but what I find this is the whole point of this conversation what I find is people aren't aware that they're in a specific game and that game has limitations and that game has rules and if you

don't recognize that you're going to play that game and you're going to keep playing that game soccer game and you think you're going to get more goals they're not coming because you can't do it that game is limited in its own right so what you have to do is you have to either change the game or you got to find a new game to get into if you're young look at what game you're gonna play and figure out what you know how you're gonna win in multiple games so that you can move yourself up on the success holistic success chart sure so there you go that's the first thing I wanted to to talk about today number one the second thing I wanted to talk about is Connor versus Khabib

Okay, so Connor versus Kabib and once again this I realized I think the only other time we've talked about a fight in In in in on this podcast was another Connor fight I think it might might have been Connor versus Nate So why are we talking about this fight? Well, there's there's two major reasons well there's three major reasons. I guess now One is was it the biggest fight of all time in UFC? I it possibly was I don't know what do you think yeah I mean I don't know it's hard to compare now

because yeah yeah I would say no I would say yeah because the fan base is probably bigger than it's ever been yeah just overall what about the hype behind this fight no I felt like well then again I don't know that could be my bubble I didn't hear as much about it

I heard a lot about it for sure I didn't but I didn't which one did you hear more about uh John Jones some of the John Jones fights I remember yeah And then also like some of the Brock Lesnar fights. I remember thinking like, dang, this is huge. Here's what I think. I don't know.

No, no, no. Sorry, Jose Aldo. Jose Aldo against Connor McGregor. That was a huge. That might have been, that might have been bigger. Yeah. And they did more tour. They did the big press thing.

Exactly. Here's though, I think that people had a better handle on what could happen in the Jose Aldo fight. I think people didn't know what was going to happen in this fight. Yeah, what's funny is for me, I was wrong by the way, but it was the opposite. I thought, oh, Jose-Hols is going to beat this guy up. Oh, really? And then actually this one I thought Kabeva was going to win, too.

Yeah. So let's get to that then. All right. I sent out a tweet, which I normally, you know, don't. So I sent out a tweet. Here's the tweet that I actually sent out. It was to the notorious MMA, which is Connor. I said, stay outside the first three rounds.

Don't over commit strikes. Mostly jabs. Get booed by the crowd. Doesn't matter. Frustrate Khabi, force bad shots, tire him out. In the fourth, start stepping up the striking, in the fifth, let it go and finish him. Good luck. John Kavanaugh, at John Kavanaugh, I tagged his coach.

Because his coach, well, okay, now people are going, okay, well, why are you rooting for Connor McGregor? And some people went like a little crazy, like, why are you? When he's a bad, sets a bad example for the sport and all that. So, actually the reason is, because I've communicated with Coach Kavanaugh, a decent amount on Twitter and little DMs and all that. And just, you know, he just has been kind of like a cool guy. And here he was going into coach his fighter in the biggest fight of, of Conner's life. And, you know, just because we've had that little conversation, we've had.

conversations on Twitter a bunch and I just threw that out there like two hours before I mean we I was watching the first fights when I threw that out there and you know what the really funny thing is John Kavanaugh texted back or he he tweeted back copy so he actually read it and responded which is pretty crazy so so anyways because I have had a little interaction with coach John Kavanaugh I I felt like, you know, hey, I'll throw this out there. Also, you know, Hans. Sure.

Hans is like boys with Connor, right? And Hans is my boy. So I was, you know, that, that association. There's association, you know, I'm going to be like, hey, Hans is my boy. And he has been for a long time. And he's bros with Connor. And so I just, you know, like, again. So, so people are, why did you, why are you voting for this guy when?

So there's that whole thing. Now, the other odd thing about this is you have a striker versus a grappler. Who do I root for in a striker versus grappler? I always root for the grappler. And I know that factually and statistically, the grappler has the advantage. Because grappling versus striking, the grappler wins most of the time. Oh, can you go the distance with this argument? Sure.

You can take it all the people that all the times that a striker is actually a good grappler and then they don't use their grappling, but they use their grappling only to defend from being taken down. Chuck Liddell. And there's a bunch of, there's countless guys that you can now name that knocked people out and were known for their stand-up. But what they really were, their base was that they were good wrestler and couldn't be taken down. So, but generally, striker versus grappler, the striker, and this is what I talk about from a self-defense perspective, right? If a if you're a good striker, then that means you can run away and and if you're a good grappler once you get a hold of someone you can defeat someone that has good striking Here's the thing that people don't understand in order for you to punch someone you have to get close enough for them that where they can take you down you have to get into their takedown range The red so you have to get in the red zone so once you're in the red zone you can get taken down

So how do you defeat that as a as a striker how do you defeat? a really good grappler the way you do it is by doing what I just said you stay on the outside you you you touched person up you don't over commit to you sir because the harder you know this how many rounds have you done of MMA sparring countless okay me too so it when I would be going against a striker the harder they throw at you the easier it is to take him down all day long and when I'm going against a wrestler that I don't want to get

down against like I used to do this to Dean and just frustrate him not commit to any punches Not throw any kicks at all sit there and jab and run away for basically two or three rounds and even Dean who's a far superior wrestler to me he would have a very very hard time taking me down Yeah, so this is a legit strategy the reason I know it's a legit strategy is because people have used it against Dean when Dean was fighting MMA people used that particular strategy against him and it worked and so I know the strategy works guys that Dean was infinitely better on on the ground and yet he couldn't take him down and he was

infinitely better at wrestling why couldn't he take him down because they weren't playing that game they weren't playing they weren't even playing the MMA game they were playing the I'm gonna jab you and stay away now a couple things also Connor's Attitude Conner's what do you want to call his kids the way he behaves right he's unsportsman like and he's a trash talking all that I get it Number one he's he's trying to sell fights Like we we we is he a very confident perhaps an overconfident guy actually maybe but if you ever see this work ethic It's freaking solid

He's always respectful after loss so when he loses he's he's he is responsible And he says hey good job you got beat you know he doesn't he's not he's not a poor loser And he's a hard worker and do I wish that he would belay behave a little bit differently? I Don't yeah. I mean it's it's it's him. Yeah It's another thing is That's that's him you know what I mean that's him and You can't expect guys that are gonna do what he's gonna do for living to be the way that you want them to behave it's the same thing with guys that are in the military

Right you can't expect a guy that's gonna go put his life on the line to be up as as as Kipling says A plaster saint right doesn't happen you got a guy that you want to go kill people and you want him to put his life at risk Guess what he's gonna get a little crazy sometimes and as a leader as a even as Society we have to look at those guys go okay look we'll give you a little bit of room We want you to stay in the box here we don't want you get out of control and that happens all the time military guys get in trouble all the time they get they get outside the box but you got to give them a little bit room if you if you didn't want that type of person You would have no one in the well you would have a very few people in the military Because you take someone that's attitude is you know hey, I'm a saint well guess what a saint doesn't want to go hunt people down and kill him

A saint doesn't want to get in the mud and blood blood and guts and be in that situation It's very similar with fighters now are there fighters that? Do behave in in an idealistic way sure absolutely there are is that preferred sure that's great to see I well prefer to I don't know but it's great to see I mean probably in my I want to don't know who my favorite fighter of all time is But Fador is definitely at the you know he's in the top three Of just my favorite fighters and one of my favorite things about Fador's fader showed no emotions ever at any time win or lose the same reaction

He mostly won But he would just raise his hand Like he would barely even raise his hand Yeah it'd be like a half hurt Yeah I'd be like half like hey I just just destroyed this person And won two million dollars here in Japan And I'm taking the pride of You know Russia home with me

No big deal Yeah yeah I'm gonna lift a kettlebell Socaraba Socaraba is the same way Very And the thing that was funny about Sakaraba Again he's one of my favorite fighters

Is Sakaraba The only thing that was you could hold against Sakarabas, sometimes he would like clown people almost. Yeah. And he was almost had some of that professional wrestling stuff going on. Yeah. So anyways, uh, Connor is Connor. Connor will mature.

He'll get older. And that's fine. He backs it up. He puts it on the line, bro. He doesn't avoid fights. I can say that. You know, he takes the hardest fights he can possibly find. When he, when he lost to Nate Dia,

to say I want to fight him again next yeah you know that's legit so anyways there was a couple people that were like straight up just hostile why are you supporting Connor he's a bad sport he's a represent like okay I get it so there's why John Kavanaugh great coach my buddy Hans friends with him yeah now for the actual game plan the actual game plan That I talked about number one stay outside stay outside. You stay outside the range of that person You get just a week and barely touch him with a jab and you get ready to sprawl now Connor actually did a good job He sprawled a few times he defended the taked on several occasions He did a good job on the bottom of you know

Kabib does this thing that Dean does too which is he ties up your legs with his legs kind of like Captures him and when you can't pull your legs out when you're up against the cage You cannot get up. Connor got his legs out over and over and over. That was impressive. That was impressive. So that's number one. You stay outside.

It's really hard to take, you know, even against someone that's a great wrestler, me, and I'm not a great wrestler, I can back up and stay away. I'm really hard to take down. And so is so is anybody. If you, if your sole goal is to not get taken down, it's actually not that hard to not get taken down. Now, it changes when you. When you start committing to your punches it changed when you start trying to knock someone out It changes when you start getting into a wrestling match with people then it's easy to get taken down You know Taylor right I'll avoid a take down on Taylor as soon as we start mixing it up

Guess what getting taken down? Yeah getting taken down because I play his game Can't play his game Okay next part don't over commit what happens when you throw strikes your weight goes forward when your weight is forward You you can get taken down that that's all there is to it so you don't want to throw big heavy punches early because that's when the take down is gonna come mostly jabs again that's the lightest punch your furthest away I wouldn't even throw kicks maybe a couple kicks but I wouldn't throw him he's fast connor's fast so he might be able to get away with it but I will i probably wouldn't even throw any kicks in the first round maybe start throwing some kicks in the second round but kicks

again kicks take time and a well-time shot will take you down on a on a kick can you chop at the legs Yeah, you can chop with the legs that can have a big negative impact on the person you're fighting Getting booed, right? Why did I say get booed? The reason I said get booed is because if you're doing this strategy right people are mad at you Because they think you're avoiding the fight. They think that you're not being aggressive and they're gonna get mad the crowd is gonna hate you and that's just what you got to deal with right When your crowd is frustrated and annoyed at you guess what? So is your opponent So now your opponent starts getting frustrated and taking bad shot Big 10 and when that opponent is taking shots that are outside the zone you basically have to be able to put your hands on someone For the most part in order to get a good shot and take them down when you're outside that zone

It's you just that there's a there's a there's a there's a fraction of a second Difference that it takes you to get to the shit to the grip on the person that you can you can stop it You can't you can't shoot from too far away and when you get someone frustrated and you're touching them up with jabs and they're getting mad and they're hearing the booze the crowd they get frustrated they start shooting from far away when they start shooting from far away you sprawl on them you put your hands on the back of their heads you stand back up you walk away and you make him do it again you make them do it again you make them do it again I said tire them out a lot of people were saying oh Connor's cardio is no good and that's not a good plan you're

an idiot that type of thing the reason I said that is because first of all wrestling is for the most part wrestling is more tiring than striking That being said, if someone's a good wrestler and not a good striker, they're going to get more tired striking than they are wrestling. So you take, you take Khabib out of his game. His game is wrestling. He's not getting tired wrestling. He's getting a little bit tired. However, when he shot four times in a round and you've defended all of them, it is absolutely easier to defend takedowns than it is to do takedowns.

a lot easier I mean we do these drills all the time in fact the way that we run the drills when you first when you're the first monkey in the middle you're the one that's doing the takedowns when you're more tired all you have to do is defend the takedowns why because it's easier to defend takedowns you don't have to work as hard all you have to do is counter what they're doing so you take him and you tire him down and Connor Connor's not gonna get tired while he's striking or he's gonna get less tired while he's striking again could could Connor use and improve in his cardio sure

Sure, I've seen him fade we've all seen him fade that's a bad thing He needs to step that game up I'd love to look at his training and see where we could fill in those holes But the bottom line is he's gonna get more tired which he did when he's in a wrestling grappling scenario Then he does when he's standing up throwing japs he's he looks like he's in walking through the park when he's standing up So you do that you you you that's what you do you stand up you tire him out and you don't over commit and let him run at you now some people so he uses a conner should just try and knock him out there's a problem with that idea of is that great is it great when it happens to aldo sure you can't count on knockouts you can't count on them when you're throwing knockout punches guess what

happens you're overcommitting when you're overcommitting it's easy to get taken down so there you go now what actually happened in the fight Connor pressed forward almost the whole time which which when you press forward it's easy for a grappler to time your move forward movement and shoot on you and take you down and and that's what happened like I said He escaped he escaped from the mount position a few times that was impressive he got did you see the camira Yes Yeah the attempt could be could be but had a a Camura on him yes legit come here and I was like oh this is over Nope nope Connor got out I think Connor got out through brute just like strength

So he got out of that he recovered recovered guard a few times He freed his legs from those weird half guard sort of leg control things that Dean does He freed his legs from those a bunch of times he survived fairly well on the bottom in the early rounds and that's all he needed to do If he would have done this game plan of staying away if he got taken down with one minute left because he starts throwing it then you survive for a minute It's okay it's okay you survive for a minute that rounds over and then you get to try it again Again the reason that I know this game plan works is because it's been used against my fighter Dean and you know who did Amar Sulev he's a he's a Dean talked about him he's a Russian guy that ended up like

mafia dude or something hit man but that's what he didn't just stay away the guy was a better striker and don't over commit and that's what happens and you know what's also weird is people even do this in jiu jitsu matches yeah they do this in ADCC Where hey if I'm a great wrestler and you're better at jiu jitzu than me and I don't want to go to the ground with you I just play the patty cake for a while and then I what I do is when there's one minute left I do one takedown I get two points and then I cover up and hold and I win the match So people do this in jiu jiu jitsu they do this another thing that they do in jiu jihitsu and this is something that you have to work on as a jiu jihitsu practitioner Let's say you and I are training and you get the takedown on me and you get the takedown on me and

What do I do? Well, I engage with my guard. I start looking for grabbing your arm. I start looking for neck control. I immediately start doing jujitsu with you. If I want to really, I have, there's another, there's a whole other game I can play with you, which is you take me down, I immediately try and get back up.

Yeah. That's a totally different game. This fouls up. Like, I used to not do this with Dean. I used to not do this with I do with Andy now because I have to because people are going to do that People are going to do that that when you're in a competition and someone takes you down or you get yeah you take someone down If they're not comfortable if they think you might be a little bit better than them on the ground They're just gonna try and get back their feet and that is a different game

Than just engaging in Jiu Jitsu. Yeah or if they don't like their bot their you know guys they don't like to play the bottom Yeah yeah for sure they get taken down It's like stand back up. They're just going to get back up. And that's, if you're not used to that, that is problematic for you on top. If you allow that situation to happen. Yeah. Yeah, that's why it's good to train with, I think I said this before, good to train with

MMA guys because that's a lot of the time in the case, unless they're like straight up Jiu-Jitsu background guys. But you know, you know guys who just have essentially, what do you call a freestyle kind of style to them? And in a sense, we do J-Jitza. So yeah, anytime I train with them, they don't like being on the bottom. So you get that training big time. Feet on the hips, they're pushing your head away,

and they're just trying to get back up. Again, the theme or the reason that all that I have all this stuff in my head is because it's all about what game are you playing. What game are you playing? And again, Connor, that's one of the things that everyone loves about Connor, myself included, is he goes in there to fight. And yet that instinct of going forward all the time against a guy that's a superior wrestler and grappler which

Khabibh certainly is and like I said grappling broadly stated is superior to striking in a in a one-on-one situation yeah do you look hesitant no I agree with that probably more than you do okay because and there's obviously and I just had someone hit me up on social media that was like but what if you know what if you get punched on what if the striker can punch you when you're trying to take them out it's like that case has gone through and through can a striker knock someone out yes they absolutely can they have a puncher's chance can you rely on that hell no you can't yeah hell no you can't what were you gonna say yeah that's it i mean yeah most

of the time as far as how it has played out oh yeah you yeah you can knock the guy out oh yeah yeah yeah it can happen for sure but yeah you just do the you run the statistics no it's like way harder to plan a knockout on a, but for a grappler to plan a submission was way easier. Oh yeah. Like you, but even in grappling tournaments, the guy will be like, hey, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get this guy in a rear naked choke.

That's what I'm gonna do. And against another grappler, by the way. So yeah, it's way easier to plan because it's way more methodical. It's like way less like, what do you call, like chaotic? You know, I mean, don't get it wrong. Like strikers know how to control their environment. I dig it.

Yeah. But just the nature of what it is, you know. There's no, there's, no doubt and again broadly speaking because I am totally pro striking and you have to be able to strike and you you're your Muay Thai and your boxing kills the better they are the better you are as a human being and I don't know if yeah I mean if you've ever trained if anyone here doesn't believe in striking at all go and train with somebody that's a really good high-level striker and they will jack you up yes

they will jack you up you will be you will feel like a white belt in jiu jitzu on the map yes the only difference is if it's if you talk if you flip a switch and you make it MMA and you can grab a hold of them you can you can all of a sudden you can equalize it very quickly that's why Jiu Jitsu came about that this way it was not why it came on to the scene so strong it's because all the striking stuff as awesome as it is we just saw another example of it on Saturday night that's what I'm talking about yeah and I'm not even saying Connor is a far superior if Connor is a phenomenal striker once he's on the ground he's on the ground and those strikes don't mean anything

anymore barely yeah especially these guys with like super good grappling yeah and you know they can keep going you know when you gas and this will go into kind of what your um strategy was if a grappler gasses he a grappler gases and that goes for anyone in a fight if you gas out you're you're essentially ineffective but so kind of that aside the the reason that p that it seems like oh yeah all these guys like Leo Tomashita right he was a big one who kind of exploded onto the scene and just beat up everyone and he was a karate guy right black belt and jiu jitsu by the way but no one wants to talk about that part or even like a chuck ladle type character where he's just knocking he's straight up knocking everybody how crapplers and everything superior wrestler by the way but so it's one of

those things where it's like yeah if you don't know any grappling oh yeah your your chances of success especially as time goes on go go way down um but most people if they're like primarily striking or striking is their success, you know, that's what gives them success. They have to learn even like a few fundamentals in grappling and get really good at them just defensively to start with. But if you don't know anything, like if you know how to defend the takedown, that's grappling right there already. And if you get really good at that, then okay, that's going to help you a lot. But that's grappling. Now, what if you essentially fail at defending the takedown, meaning you get taken down? You have to learn to get back up.

If you don't, you'll get held down there straight up. If you don't, like take a big strong guy and just a normal size person, one guy knows you to, put the big strong guy on his back. Like, even in guard, bro, he won't get up. No. If the guy's like, hey, don't let him up. You won't get up straight up. And the harder he tries, the less ability he's going to have to get up. It's like throwing somebody in the water who can't swim.

Yeah. And like, he can't even tread water. No, let alone swim. He can't try as hard as you can. The harder you try, the more, it's just going to not work. But you teach someone to just tread water. Oh, he'll handle a little bit, but oh, you just learned how to tread water though. You learned how to swim a little bit. So you got to learn that stuff. And what's nice? Well, you need to take this into account is that the UFC rounds are only five minutes. So they're only five minutes, which means you could see it took it took time for Connor's good enough that he's not getting like just caught. You made a quick mistake and get caught. No, he's making a series of mistakes. that take time and then finally they get capitalized on if he can make it three minutes on the feet every round Man the chances of him getting submitted in two minutes by Khabib especially when he was making doing good maneuvers on the bottom

They're not really that good and you know can you make a mistake and get guillotine that normally happens to the grappler that's like grappler versus grappler I shoot on you you grab the guillotine or I try and post and you do an arm lock that usually happens not from most of those moves come out of me me engaging in grappling with you not me getting away from you me getting away from you exposes less of grappling submissions unless you do poor mistakes like turn your back then you got a problem you're gonna have a you can have a problem and I suppose we should also talk about the the after situation after the fight sure and you know Khabib who's normally very stoic and calm He lost it. He ran out the crowd Connor And I was watching in detail some of these little

Clips and Connor was getting nuts too. Let's let's not make any mistakes about it Because yeah so and then the guy came in from conners from Kabeeb's team and soccer punched Connor that was gnarly and So what do I think of all that? Yeah, Yeah, it's horrible. Is it bad for the sport? Yes, it's bad for the sport. Interestingly, Joe Rogan posted that Brendan Shob kind of made a prediction.

The prediction. Yeah, he made a prediction that something was going to get crazy. Yeah. And that was accurate. When do I think about it? I think it's a bummer. Yeah, it's a bummer. It was a bummer to see.

I was surprised to see Khabib get crazy like that. The fight was over. you could see that Connor was pretty humble in defeat he was sitting there like hey all right that's a bummer and Khabib got nuts for those moments

and I don't know what's going to happen I don't know what's going to happen in terms of I know they didn't I don't think they paid him yet they didn't pay him his $2 million purse Yeah wouldn't that be an athletic commission thing though? Oh yeah it definitely is the athletic yeah they'll find him They'll take part of his purse

And that's just money. That's like, you know when you pay a speeding ticket? Yeah. And the state gets the money? Yes. It's the same thing. So the Nevada State Athletic Commission could find him half his purse and put 1.5, or no, he made $2 million purse.

He could put a million. He could put a million dollars in their pocket by saying, nope, you shouldn't have done that. We're finding you. We're finding you half your purse. Boom, here's a million dollars. Let's build a new office center or whatever. Sure.

Office center. Dig it. So I don't know what's going to happen. It's not good to see that. I wish everyone would be better sports. That would be good. Yeah. But people are super emotional.

Yeah. And they haven't learned to control their emotions yet. Which brings me to the third point that I wanted to talk about this week. Sure. Were you going to say something? No, no, I dig it. But there is like a bigger kind of picture here with the industry. So anything that's quote unquote bad for the sport, right?

That's that that is something, but there's two elements, right? There's the growth of the sport, and then there's like promotion of the sport for the people who are in the, who are in the game. Are we about to get a bad press as good press? Any press is good press? Rather, there's a dichotomy. So, yeah, the growth of the sport to the guy who doesn't watch MMA because it's so barbaric. We're watching, okay, what will the Pettus fight, right? Same event.

Pettus and Ferguson. Yeah. By the way, I like Ferguson. That dude's a hard worker. I like Pettus, too. Okay, and I, and I definitely like Duke Rufus. Yeah, my boy, my boy, there was, you know, we would be cornering people backstage, and Duke Rufus was always, I mean, he probably doesn't know anything, there's pride wouldn't even barely know who I am at all. Mm-hmm.

But he would always be like super cool. Duke Rufus, he's awesome. Yeah, so that fight. And Pettus, and Pettus is a good dude too, you know, I like Pettus. Yeah, really seems like it. But that was a bloody fight. Yeah, I was. So and there's bloody fights everyone so all right guys with the huge gashes what not so okay bloody fight right and so me my brother my cousin

We were watching this fight and So these guys are just basically punching each other in the face Neat each other in the face bleeding like all over you know like super bloody the kind of where they got to stop the fight and be like hey doctor check this guy out That you know so he gives you a doctor or hey time out while we just clean up blood off everyone Yeah, yeah, so one of those a minute here just a white blood off everyone yeah, yeah and meanwhile We're just watching like, oh, whatever. Like, actually, it's like there have been more eventful fights than this one.

Yeah. Like it ended in a, you know, he broke his hand or whatever. And that was considered uneventful. I broke his hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From punching a guy in the head. Yeah, they stopped the fight. And that was uneventful.

We consider that uneventful. An eventful fight is a guy who gets knocked out unconscious flat out, which happened, by the way, a few fights early. Anyway, yeah, that's right. So we're watching this blood everywhere. Meanwhile, we're like, okay, you know, like, whatever. But so that my point is the growth of the sport you get a guy who doesn't watch MMA they only watch you know basketball football the traditional sports and And they get a glimpse into MMA and they see that all the blood and stuff They're like this is a dumb sport this is not even a sport this is like this shouldn't be legal

This is like two human beings and everyone cheering meanwhile. Okay, so when the fight stopped that that Peders Ferguson fight it stops right they stop it they you know how they cut to the crowd every once in a lot I just see their reaction there's like businessmen in their suits drinking their drinks it's like the epitome of like gladiator or old school the king with all the grapes and the stuff and high-fiving and stuff right meanwhile these two guys are like one guy has a broken hand the other guy has blood all well they both have blood all over right so as an outsider looking in you're like the it's reasonable to expect them to be like this is this is dumb this is not a sport I'm not to sign on to this at all okay then you get these post fight

shenanigans kabib and guys jumping out of the ring into the crowd continuing to fight after he won by the way so that and I'm not saying that this is how I'm looking at I'm saying this is how an outsider will see it. Interesting. And then you see, you know, months ago, whatever, Connor flying into New York and busing up the bus with Kabibin'in in and it's this thing and, you know, all this stuff, guys getting injured from the broken glass, all this stuff, right?

It's a, it's not cool from an outsider looking in. It's like, this is not a sport. This is dumb. These guys aren't people. These aren't civilized people, all this stuff. But from the inside, well, man, I'm really looking forward to this fight now. After Connor did that, then, you know, then, you know, things happen. It's talking all this trash. It's like oh, and he's backing it up. Oh my gosh. I want to see this even more now. If you get and I like fader to her that's it. Fador I like him too. What if everyone was like Fader though? There will be a lot of fights that you just don't care about. You'd be like hey, all right, cool or but on the flip. So you're saying because I would I would care about all of them. You would not care about you left less I think you I don't know. I don't know what you care about sometimes. But the people because I the reason Fador is Fador.

To the extent that Fador is Fador is because other people are not like Fador. If you get to compare him to everyone else, it gets all crazy, and he just sits there and looks at him and then knocks him out or chokes him out or arm locks. Because when you think about it, isn't that really the martial art spirit? For sure. Super Stoic. And that's how it has been. Yeah, yeah.

But now, hey, martial arts, let's face it, when you're in the game, if you watch it, MMA, especially U.S.i. If you watch this, this is, it goes like the martial arts spirit of the thing is very small. Yeah. Very small. This is a show. Don't get it wrong. This is a show with real punches, real kicks, blood, all that stuff, and this is all part of the show.

What happens? Yeah, I definitely think of it more as a sport than I do think of it as a display of martial arts for the community. I'm not thinking of it that way anymore. It's a sport, but I would even go beyond sport. It's a show straight up because if it was just a sport. You know what they did for the first time? I don't know if you noticed it. You probably did.

They had like fog on the octagon floor. Yeah. I was like, only for kind of the dry ice effect. Yeah, dry ice effect, right? Really? Like, what do you think? I give that the Negatron. Yeah, well.

And there was a while where UFC was trying to lean towards the other direction. They took away all the show stuff. They made it look more like a sporty. Yeah, yeah. And now they're kind of going back a little bit too. Yeah, man, it's in. Because the new owners took over. Well, yeah, and, you know, that was obviously like a quote unquote branding play.

You know, we want to kind of go mainstream with the sport edge of it and, you know, make it kind of a whole. Here's the thing, Brad. It's not a wholesome thing. Like it's totally, there's a difference between scoring a ball in a basket or running across the end zone or the goal line for touchdown and all this stuff. Outrunning guys trying to just basically tackle you to the ground. And there's a difference between that being the goal and the goal being to hurt the guy as bad as he possibly can or to incapacitate them as bad as you possibly. You know something I said when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast is I was like, if you go watch any of those other sports, when they escalate, they escalate to what you actually want to see. which is MMA.

Like what happens when a basketball game gets a little too rough? They fight each other. What happens when hockey gets a little bit? They fight each other. What happens when football gets a little bit too rough? They fight even baseball. Someone does something out of line in baseball. They fight each other.

Let's just get rid of the ball, get rid of the net, get rid of the hockey stick and just put some gloves on and get it on. Yeah. And that's, yeah, that's why. And I mean, obviously, that's a whole other thing. But if you, and I'm not saying there's necessarily a confusion between it. Like the sport and the show and the martial arts and all that, but I'm just saying there are three different elements in The some time is it's just gave me a whole like interesting idea so sometimes

For me, I'm so functional like I operate and such a Functional mindset that it doesn't even work right it just doesn't work It doesn't work with normal people. Oh, right? Like I like hey just like no, this is just gonna be We're just gonna be plain if I would If I was in charge of the entire UFC, what would it look like? And it would probably just be so functional. It'd be the extreme that you would, that you're saying people would just be like, I don't really know if I want to watch this. However, I would say if you dug deep into the training methodologies and you really understood the people, which UFC does a decent job now with the, what's it called, when they're leading up to the fight, they do the embedded.

So you go watch the embedded. You get to see kind of it's it's not highly edited embedded and you get to see what but I would you know for me I would make the whole thing would be like functional. It would be like oh there'd be lights that show you everyone there be color lights why did you need color lights you know what I mean you definitely anybody fired yeah no we wouldn't do that you can want to get fired up you see the guy walking into the cage that's about to that's about to fight another human being well it doesn't work that way though Yeah, I know. I know. Like the, even if it like, again, go back to everyone being stoic, right?

It'd be like, it'd be reduced. It would be less of a show. And in fact, you might even argue that it's kind of has, we've seen that before. Like in just like other, like you ever watch like a karate tournament or something like that? Yeah, yeah. It's like they don't develop characters or nothing like that. They're just, this is guy. And hey, this guy's good.

And so like, cool. I want to see what he's good at. And then you sort of forget about it. You don't anticipate that. Unless you're way way in the game. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, my my personal Vision doesn't always line up well with like the Drama creation that everyone else likes yeah, but that's that's literally life that's like why that's why you want to watch it

Because of the pop or the big part of it is because the drum Chil son and wise man right said one time once one fight ends that's when the promotion for the next fight begins. So that, you know, when he gets on the mic after the fight is done, he's essentially promoting the next fight. And the thing is, it's totally proven. Like, even like someone saying, why do you care? Why? Like, people coming to you saying, why are you supporting Connor?

He's such a bad role model, all that. That's all good stuff. Like, well, if they, if they were like, oh, who's that guy? Connor, well, you support this guy. Let me look into this guy. That's a failure. But, yeah, to love him, hate them. The thing is, if I dislike a guy and there's guys that I dislike, I understand.

I don't dislike them as people I dislike dislike what we call the UFC character You know like the guy that that's on the mic and doing the whatever I'm just not a fan actually I'm the anti fan I want him to lose like if he's fighting a guy Unless I don't know the other guy what's interesting you know I think kind of changed my perspective a little bit Is I like Tito Ortiz He had this he has a horrible his reputation was always like he was a jerk and all this stuff Yeah he was a good yeah he was a heel and and I didn't know him well but I mean I trained with him some and you know

Dean Dean trained with him a lot so I kind of knew him by proxy and Tito Ortiz as a dude as like a just a dude outside of that whole world Totally cool and totally good to go. Yeah, you know totally cool and hey Bism is the same way like this being kind of a heel I've met Bisbing I trained with Bisbing Bisbing. Bidsbing's totally good dude you know trains hard hard work great work ethic Good and I'm not saying again. I don't want to make it sound like I know these guys and I'm all bros with them because I'm not but I've trained with them I've been on the mat with them you know like I I can't Understand their character outside of the character that they play on TV and the character that they have and maybe that's why for me when I look at Connor and I see all this stuff I look at it and I think yeah, you know what behind that it's gonna be another guy that's a hard worker that wants to win and take care of his family like well, okay and he's got he's doing some stuff and he's talking about red panties and You know he just that's what he's doing because and I look at it the same way I see a guy like Bisbing and a guy like T. Ortiz who are behind that, that front that they put up, they're just,

they're just hardworking guys that like to fight. Yeah, but I don't see Connor as a bad guy, as the heel, though. Connor's a good guy. He's like, he's anti-opponent. Like, he'll really kind of, he'll talk bad about his opponent, not necessarily bad, like, like, necessarily bad. Yeah. But, you know, he'll talk himself up over his opponent kind of thing.

But he's not, like, like, Bisping will actively, just like Chelsonen, just like Chelsen, Just like Tito Ortiz. They'll actively play the bad guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To the point where they will be categorized is that. Oh, yeah. Think about the stuff that Chal Sonnen set was saying about Anderson Silva. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you just yeah. That was crazy and Chal Sunnen's a good example, but even though Chal Sonny, you can tell about that guy's nice. Like you ever talked to you? I did stuff with Chelsone video was, right? And like full on accommodating, like overly polite person in ways that he doesn't have to do that. You don't have to do this polite. So, you don't have to do this polite. stuff so he's an he's one of those guys but I could tell like okay this is the show and I get it and actually I dig it um like BISBing I was genuinely surprised how nice he was I did a video with BISBING if you want to look at a very funny video too by the way which one did you do with BISBIN is Hanato La Ranga show I forget what episode but we put oh yeah they did a reenactment of snatch yeah yeah he was he played uh the main guy turkish yeah turk snatch the movie right we read but you didn't call it snatch what you call it snatch what you call it snatchy Snatchy. That's right. Yeah, yeah. It's good. He does a really good job. So it's Michael his bispying. Kit Dale is Tommy and then Hanato is...

Hey, let me ask you this. Kenny Florian. Kenney Florian. When you did the heat, heat. Heech, yeah. He's got some chops. Some straight up acting chops. Yes.

Kenny Florian, shout out. Yes. Yeah. Straight up acting chops. So Kenny Florian, not to go too deep into that. But, on top of that, Kenny Florin is super nice to. And nice, where he got tested with us, with me, on how nice he could be as far as tolerance. So we go up there, right?

Oh, this one you had to reshoot the whole thing. Two cameras, right, we get. And so, you know, one angle on him, one angle on Hinato. The angle on him, the camera just didn't work. Something with the SD card or whatever. This, and we totally had to, like, get access to the restaurant after hours and, like, all this stuff. Schedule with Kenny, not to mention, who is like, you know, this. This is like after he crossed over into straight up mainstream.

You can't just get Kenny Florian off of, you know, he had shows and like he was kind of a high level guy at this time. And I get home like we're, you know, we're editing and I'm like, we gotta, there's no choice we gotta reshoot this thing. And then, oh, we're like, man. And Kenny Floreen, yeah, like whatever. He's like, yeah, cool, let's go. Go, like reshave, he had a goate and stuff.

When Dean and I were doing the trials for ADCC in 2002 for the 2003 ADCC, and Ken Flo came out and he was one of the competitors and the same thing like we didn't really know him that well But you know we were all kind of like a black belt cheese and all that stuff so actually I wasn't a black belt at that time I was a brown belt but we you know everyone was just like super cool you know the Dean was a brown belt what am I talking about I was a purple belt All right so Where this whole thing goes from and this is interesting that you brought this up There's the other thing I wanted to talk about about which is this idea of a tat detachment which talk about all the time and I've seen like

another little reveal on detachment maybe another angle okay so picture this black belt versus a white belt you're training jiu jitsu the white belt is like grabbing your sleeve or grabbing your belt or grabbing you're like doing something whatever he's doing doesn't matter and it will not affect the outcome at all and I see and so what should you do as a black belt as a as a as a better grappler what are you going to do when someone's doing something that doesn't matter what do you do you just kind of ignore it it's like okay that's not going to affect the outcome I'm not going to worry about it as leaders I see people getting caught up all the times in little things that will not affect the outcome unless

they let it so I see Some white belt blow them in the chain of commands going all crazy grabbing their sleeve and this leader on the top like gets concerned about it and puts time and effort into something that doesn't matter whether it's a little personality rub a little ego uprising It's should we do it this way or should we do it that way? It doesn't matter that's a little sleeve grab. It doesn't matter and I see people getting caught up on things that don't matter all the time and what I've realized is it's something that I figured out a long time ago. I don't know when, but a long time ago I figured out, you know what, that thing doesn't matter,

I'm not going to worry about it. That thing doesn't matter. I'm not going to worry about it. That thing doesn't matter. I'm not going to worry about it. That thing matters. I'm going to focus on that thing. And that makes a big,

big, big difference. It's leadership capital. Because if I'm investing my leadership capital and getting your hand off my sleeve or trying to do it my way instead of your way or trying to keep your ego in check if that's what I'm investing my leadership capital is I have nothing left to invest in the thing that's actually matters just like if you're a black belt and someone guys grabbing your sleeve and you focus on pulling that hand off your whole time you're gonna waste energy and maybe you even give up position because you're because you're focused on something that did not matter so it is important to realize and to learn to differentiate between things that don't matter and things that do matter and in order to tell the difference between those two things you have to be able to detach and step back and obviously this is the same thing not just with jiu jitsu not just with leadership not just with combat because it's the same thing in combat you're going to have

things that don't things that happen on the battlefield that don't matter little hey guys moving here instead of there that doesn't matter oh this guy's moving there so it doesn't matter the enemy's doing this okay doesn't matter oh wait the enemy did that thing that matter Or one of my guys did this thing that matters. So how do you learn to discriminate between the two? You have to be able to detach from it. That's what you have to do. You have to be able to detach.

And if you don't learn to detach, you're gonna constantly get tripped up on things that don't really matter. And I'll tell you, the more, the better you get, the less things matter. The better you get the last things matter. get the last things matter and the better you get the more the more important things matter So you you end up just wasting no energy on things that don't matter and

Focusing all your energy on things that actually matter and this is the difference man This is how you win in jiu jitsu this is how you win as a leader this is how you win in combat And this is truly how you win in life think about all the things you know what you used to talk about a lot you haven't done it in a while you just talk about Distractions How things can You distract you. That's totally true. That's what I'm talking about the things that distract you from what actually matters So you have to You have to figure out how to detach from those things I was doing some reading as is

Per norm and there's a guy named Keith Douglas He was a British soldier World War II He's kind of a badass. He was stuck in an administrative position in October of 1942 during the 6th Second battle of El Alameen and so he was stuck in this administrative position so he just went a wall and went to the front line and joined the fight and got after it and one of the things that he wrote He said to be sentimental or emotional now is dangerous to oneself and to others So what is he talking about you can't get emotional You can't get sentimental you can't get caught up in things that don't matter after his return from Africa this guy Keith Douglas he wrote a book about his

experience here's a little excerpt you can kind of think about what this guy's been through that taught him these lessons here we go as I came up to them I recognized one of them as Robin the observation officer whose aid I had been asking for earlier in the day I recognized his fleece lines fleece lined suede waistcoat and polished brass shoulder titles and then his face strained and tired with pain his left foot was smashed to a pulp mingled with the remainder of a boot but as I spoke to Robin saying have you got a tourniquet Robin he answered apologetically I'm afraid I haven't Keith I looked at the second man only his clothes distinguished him as a human being His face had gone in place of it was a huge yellow vegetable the eyes blinked in it Without lashes and a grotesque huge mouth dribbled and moaned like a child exhausted with crying

So there's an example of a horrible situation that you have to learn to detach and you have to be able to to focus on things that actually matter because as Keith Douglas said to be sentimental or emotional now is dangerous to oneself and to others now as I was digging into a little bit of Keith Douglas and I'll we'll get to Keith Douglas fully on the podcast but he added to that line he added another line that I want to hit as well to be sentimental or emotional now is dangerous to oneself and to others and he continues to try To cross to anyone or to admit any hope of a better world, it's criminally foolish, as foolish as it is to stop working for it. So, you know, that's a little tangent. That's a tangent, but it's powerful. And like I said, we'll get to Keith Douglas's book, and that book got published after the war. and unfortunately Keith Douglas never saw that book get published because he was killed by enemy mortar fire on June 9th just a few days into the D-Day invasion of Normandy which he took part in but again luckily he left us a lesson which is to control your emotions and I think as a as a person and as an individual if you can start trying to discriminate between things that matter and things that don't matter and the way that you do that is by detaching from everything and then you can pay attention and you can assess logically

not emotionally what's important and what's not and you focus on the things that matter and it's going to make your entire life a lot easier it's a great lesson from Keith Douglas and I think that's all I've got for today I will say that speaking of lessons I've got a little lesson to pass on in a book in a forthcoming book It's called Mikey and the Dragons and if you didn't hear about the book yet Mikey and the Dragons is about a young kid that's scared of everything and that makes his life Pretty hard pretty miserable because he's scared of everything and one day he finds a book and

One day he's scared of everything he finds this book and I And there's a book within the book in the story and we'll go into the book within the book right here real quick Sure and then one day Mikey noticed a book He opened it up and took a quick look It had pictures of dragons with fangs like a snake and all kinds of scary things that made Mikey shake But in the pictures there was a boy too who didn't look scared but like he knew what to do and even though Mikey was scared indeed and

He decided that he would give the book a read. He opened the first page which he eagerly read, and this is what the dragon book said. There once was a kingdom long ago and far away, and the kingdom had suffered a horrible day. Their protector and leader, their king, he had died. And when they found out, the whole village cried. When the king was alive, he was a powerful force.

Now they took the dead king away by carriage and horse. They knew they would miss him and that made them sad, but there was something else that made them feel bad The king had always been so strong and brave and protected the kingdom from the dragon cave The dragon cave was just over the hill and filled with scary dragons that were ready to kill and The story continues from there and explains that no one in the village in the kingdom would stand up to the dragons Except the young prince who is only seven years old and he's nervous and he's scared He doesn't know if he can handle it

But he kind of realizes he's gonna have to step up so he goes to his father's war chest I'm so happy that I could put the word war chest in a book Yeah And he finds the shield and he finds the sword of his dad and they're both super heavy But then he also finds a little note A little note from his father the king that How to overcome the dragons. So even though this book is aimed at kids, I think we all know that we all have dragons to fight

And like I said on the last podcast, I really wanted to get this book into the hands of kids and really into the hands of everyone But again, my publisher told me that there was no scenario where this book gets published by November so What did I do? I started my own publishing company and the book will be out in November So yeah, it's it's actually getting printed at this time and in order to pull this off in order to actually know how many books I need to print I think it already looks like I need to print more books because You all ordered a lot of them already. So thank you Pre-order so that I know what to print So I can print enough of the sacred first a dish if you want you and your kids and your family to know how to crush their dragons

appreciate it gonna need that that's what's gonna happen we're gonna go forward together slay dragons in this case who's the dragon well you know big publishing companies sometimes anyways we all have our dragons to fight And when we fight our dragons, well, I don't know. Maybe sometimes we could use some help. Sure. Echo.

Sometimes. You only know any way that we could maybe get some help fighting our dragons? Yeah. So the dragons? The dragons. Our dragons. Sure. Our dragons.

Yeah. So I'll tell you this. This might help. This will help, actually. If you realize to the full extent that capability, capability and knowledge. That will help you fight the dragons. Those two things are imperative in fighting dragons. Yeah.

So we're staying on the path. That's the capability part. Actually, the path is both. Yeah, the path is straight up. The path covers all. Yeah. Capability, knowledge. Always trying to improve.

So every step forward on the path is a step forward in capability, knowledge. Check. Check. As opposed to the slippery slope, which is a step backwards in capability and Got to be careful on that one. Yes. So what capability, right? This preparation, execution results, right?

Just made that up right now, literally. So it could be flawed, but whatever. Sounds good to me. So, so staying on the path, what? Start with Jiu-Jitsu, of course. Good place to start. We talked about Jiu-Jitsu. Good universal, kind of overarching.

Yeah. How many people hit you up a day that just started Jiu-Jitsu? A lot, and what I started doing, trying to do, is everyone that's, that's indicating They just started Jiu Jitsu first day Jiu Jitsu second day Jiu Jitsu just got my kid into Jiu Jiu, I just retweet it And be like boom you're you know in the game just letting people know hey It's okay yep here's another person all different type of scenarios too by the way Different types here's a here's one I run into 12 years old 29 years old bad back You know hurt elbow I'm a surgeon I'm a firefighter I'm a police officer I'm a CEO

It doesn't matter good jumping the game yeah all good and every once in a while I'll see this yes got my kids into jitsu you know one of my I wish was maybe a little bit more into it you know like what should I do or so or whatever maybe not even that they just said like brother you jump in there you know so it's like it's because a lot of times it's like oh yeah this is perfect for my kid oh yeah yeah or my kid wants to jump in if yeah if you're if you're taking your kids to jitoo and you're not participating we got an issue yeah let's at the very Just consider that just consider it think about it. No, I'm saying straight up you're saying jump in issue. Yeah, get it. Get it. Yeah, man. So I had a cool guy come into the gym here and was in a police officer and he had his kids all fired up, you know, all the kids are into it. They're so fired up. That's awesome. I was like, oh, you know, what class are you going to? He's like, well, I guilt tripped him immediately. Level seven guilt trip. I was like, bro, are you kidding me? Come on. Get on the mat. So he's in the game now. Yeah. So and that's not like that rare.

a story because even just how our gym is laid out where you know the kids class is going on hey just just look right behind you yeah right behind you look right behind you hey that's the adults going on yeah so you can just let let your kids go i know you want to watch the kids you want to see what up you want to see what's going on i don't worry about that they're going to be fun you know they got it they got it they got those kids unlock yeah unlock in a good way by the way yeah and just just turn around just jumping down right there you're going to have as much fun as your kid by the way If not more. Plus, you're going to have something in common with your kid.

Oh, yeah. And I'll tell you what. If you don't, your kid's going to be beating you. Is it going to be beating you up. That's going to suck. Hey, the kids grow up. My kid's 15. My boy is 15.

You better watch out. Yeah. And we want, I think there's a secret part of us, if not overt part of us, that wants our kid one day to like question you, stand up to you, Maybe confront you about some stuff some questions they have about you and your whole thing. Yeah, you know, I got to ask that the other day. It's like, no, didn't it really make you mad? Because the story in dichotomy leadership about the patches, right? The patches. Yeah, patches on. I told the guys no patches. And Leif and Seth made patches anyways and brought him. And this guy's like, wouldn't you like offended and weren't you mad? I was like, no. Actually, I was kind of thinking to myself, well, cool. These guys have that little rebellious streak that they need as leaders to tell the man. To stick it to the man. Yeah. That's fine with me.

Yeah. It wasn't offensive. They weren't doing something that was going to get someone hurt or killed. They were just being little rebels. Yeah. It's fine. So do I want to see that with my kids? Yes, I want to see a little bit.

Sometimes I need to keep that in a little chair. Oh, yeah. Big time. So if you're not doing jiu-jitsu and your kids are, especially if it's a boy. Well, no, girl, boy, whatever. Oh, yeah. The probability of them standing up to you maybe a little early than you

expected is very high that's what I think that's my hypothesis that's a good thing not a bad thing yeah it will be a bad thing if you can't do anything about it because you're not prepared yeah kids get good kids get good fast yeah it's it's funny because you get these kids right who really get into it then they grow up into adults so the belt system is kind of it's like it's like planting a seed before the the plant goes above ground there's a lot that goes on underground right so some you know some plants you know the bamboo anyway there's a there's a there's a What do you call? What do you call this limericks?

I don't know. Either way. There's an old school story about the bamboo. It takes like a bunch of years when you plant it. But once it breaks ground, it takes, it shoots up super fast, right? That's how kids are with Jiu-Jitsu. It's a metaphor. A metaphor for J-Zitsu.

But that's an old common story, they say. That's a metaphor. Anyway, so you put the kid in Jiu-Jitsu. They really like it. And kids, they get the belts, though. What are their belts? White. And then you have these intermediary belts now.

Gray, yellow. The main ones are white, yellow, orange, green. Gray has become a main one now, too. Gray has become legit. Okay. So you get up to green belt. That's essentially the purple slash brown belt of kids, the green belt. Interesting.

And then you can't get a blue belt until 16. 16. Traditionally. Tradish. So once you reach blue belt, you're essentially a black belt for your body. That's it. Your body is like right into puberty or whatever. Here's the thing.

I don't completely agree with you. Okay. So yeah, I dig it. I hear what you're saying, but to your point, usually 10 years to become a black belt around if you're training hard and all that. And what you're saying is a kid could start at five and now 16 gets his blue belt. He's been trained him for 11 years. So to your point, his skill level could be very, very high. Yeah, so that's a, yeah, you're right.

And I got into the story. So I said black belt may be irresponsible. Either way, when he hits blue belt, that's not a normal adult blue belt. Oh, no. That is a kick-ass blue belt. That's a killer. So he's going to go, oh, yeah, my first time fighting his blue belt. I'm 17 years old.

And he's beating everyone. Super easy to, by the way. And these are adults, 25, 26 years old, and he's just beating them. So he gets his purple belt right away, unless he's in one of these situations where they actually make you be Bluebell for two years. You know, sometimes there's that. Like, I think I. J.JF does that. Sometimes.

Competing wise. Anyway, anyway, when they reach ground, meaning adulthood, when they reach above ground, like the bamboo, they just shoot because all their fundamental. are like dialed like super sharp they've developed like a whole proprioception yeah and body understanding and it's proprioception not just of their own body but if their opponent's body as well like they know where your opponent's gonna be yeah which is legit yeah yeah so big get on the path of jiu jihitsu is the overall concept that we're getting out here yeah and yes very jiu jih Tzu heavy I think today but you know I haven't really been training that much so

Either way. Oh, yeah, jump on the path. You're going to need a ghee and a rash guard. So people ask, where do we start? What do I go? Where do I go to get a ghee? Go online. Origin main.com, boom.

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Jump on the path. Jiu just to. Just jump in. Yeah. Usually the first class is free by the way most places. Yeah and a lot of people ask Hey, any advice going to my first class just go keep an open mind have fun relax Yeah do all those things yeah a big one is like keep your ears like open you know Don't don't be that guy like you always say this word don't be the guy be like what if I just do this

You know kind of thing like what it doesn't work is if you just go in just listen just listen and I'm hard to annoy I think that might be starting to annoy me a little bit when people are talking to a big group of people that have never done Jiu-jitsu before and someone throws out the like Well, hey, what if you know what if they just grab your arm right here? It's like well, there's 14 other moves that you can do from that which I didn't get to because I'm trying to teach you this fundamental thing over here that you're an idiot And so yeah, bro idiot. Yeah, and that's the yeah, I would say that just keep that in mind. That's the advice if you you know Yeah, what do I do keep your ears open keep I don't want to discourage people from asking questions but let's just let's just think about how we ask the questions right don't ask it as a challenge to the canon of jiu jitsu knowledge

which is the way some people ask it all you have to do is this it's like no actually if you say like hey sometimes he's doing this and I don't know what to do yet yeah that's fine I'm gonna tell you and I won't be annoyed at all if you tell me if you say it to me like you just uncovered the secret key of jiu jitsu I'm gonna be slightly annoyed you won't know it but I'll just be like oh yeah well here you go here's what you do yeah so actually you mentioned the key to defeating jiu jitsu you mentioned it what is it run away you oh yeah that's it 100% nobody can submit me if I'm running unless it doesn't me true running is a good self-defense hey also at origin we got we got some supplements at

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Yeah. It's like the wrong, wrong move. Yeah, I think if you because your heart's beating you're all amped up. It's just not good. You can't think straight, you know Discipline is not like that at all Yeah, three scoops will get you right in the zone where you want to be And and but I think I haven't tried four scoops because I just think it would be crazy But I think four scoops would start to lean towards too much Yeah, yeah and that that's the case with most things right where it's like oh yeah two scoops is better than one and it's true three scoops even better than

Dude, dang, that's true too. And then that's kind of it. And yeah, you can't do that. That's most things. There's a dichotomy. Yeah, gotta find the balance. Gotta find the balance. Yeah. Mulk. We got Mulk. Moke is... Moke is Moke is protein in it. We have multiple flavors now. We have mint chocolate. We have peanut butter chocolate. We have vanilla gorilla. We have the darkness Just straight chocolate. Yeah, which is surprisingly good, by the way. Why is that surprise? Are you surprised still, right? now well well yeah yeah I am not surprised at all anymore we'll put it this way I'm not surprised in the capability that it took to make it taste good I'm not saying that that was the hardest one to make yeah it took us a long time we went through iteration so so if it surprised you I guess I take that back yeah it is surprising

how good yeah it's good yeah it's really good because it's like easy when you think about it you're like okay chocolate mint okay good I mean as far as making that taste good I'm not gonna be that impressed because come on it's mint chocolate it's face it that's good Mint or chocolate peanut butter same deal yeah in fact isn't it weird though as as as good as those flavors are How come it's so how come it's been until now that someone could actually make them taste the way they're supposed to taste I should be more impressed than you are yeah you know now that you break it down like that sure I think you're actually right I didn't think of that I just considered

So obvious but peanut butter in anything in my opinion bread it's gonna make it taste good But if you're gonna try to hit me with the straight chocolate on something with protein that's good for you That low and sugar, I'm like, yeah, okay. I'll give it a chance. Low and sugar. It's like one gram. I was, we went out, I went to eat with my fam. Sure.

Hell yeah. And we were talking about, we were just talking about food. Sure. And my daughter was like, well, sometimes she's like, you, you just eat like one meal and then you just have like nuts and milk. Because I do. I eat nuts. I get the big giant, what are they called? Cans.

of mixed nuts. Oh yeah mixed out the container and I have some yeah contain a big container yeah and I have just have like a handful of nuts I put some of them in a bowl and then I'm just doing that and milk and that's when you can't use the peanut butter milk in my opinion too much too much nuts peanut yeah I dig it I don't agree but hey I dig it man oh you don't agree that you can do too much peanut butter no so yeah that hey I've had that one of those you know those huge things of peanut butter the biggest one you buy Yeah, yeah, yeah.

From the big box store. The stockpile. Anyway, yeah, moke is good. Good protein on that one. Now, I'll tell you what. Now, we just came out with Warrior Kid Moke. And... You did the right thing.

And truly, this is awesome. And I'll tell you why it's awesome. Because kids need good food. Kids need healthy food. And they're not going to eat. healthy food if it tastes like junk and so we made warrior kid milk there's a little less protein in it there's only 11 grams there's 11 grams of protein sure for for the kids there's probiotics there's vitamins there's one gram of sugar which is which is not

even sugar it's something else whatever there's one gram of sugar in there and it tastes awesome strawberry and chocolate the chocolate's this Delicious the strawberry is kind of next level the strawberry is so good It tastes like someone took the ultra high-end ice cream and made you a milkshake with it strawberry style That's what it tastes like your kids are gonna love it and you're gonna love it that's the problem I mean the problem is it's not a problem the reality is I've had strawberry milk Warrior kid strawberry milk like for dessert three meals in a row right now the last three meals I had strawberry milk every time Why is that taste good and it's good for it's awesome for you this is a revolution I'm not gonna throw this out there like just throw this word out there

There's a revolutionary thing, but can you imagine? I think this is the first product in the history of the world that I can personally think of you tell me if you can think of something else Okay, this is the first product that I can think of in the world that the kids are gonna want to have it as much as the parents are gonna want them to have it I don't know of any other thing like that Yeah, what other thing is like that? I don't know the kids want to have it as bad as the parents because like the kids want ice cream Yeah, they want it bad the kids don't want them to have it Yeah, right? The parents want the kids to have the vitamin pill The kids don't want to have it

Yeah, this is a universal want yeah, it's delicious And it's awesome for the kids so I'm super stoked because it's cool when kids want to be on the warrior kid path but the They don't have good food easily accessible. This is going to replace all them little chocolatey, sugary drinks that parents have been forced to feed their young children and poison them. No more. Those days are over. So get on the milk train. Yeah.

And get your warrior kids on the milk train as well. Yeah. That strawberry one is funny because I don't, when I go to wherever to get a milkshake, I don't get the strawberry. No, no, no, no. Neither would I. But I mixed up the strawberry. You know, I got some. Everyone's excited.

There's been some hype. And, you know, so I'm like, all right, we'll see what up. Meet my son. Whatever. He's too, by the way. So, yeah, I mix it up or whatever. And, you know, I taste it. You know, something will bring you right back.

Oh, you're a kid, the strawberry, whatever. I think that's the last time I really got into a strawberry something. Yeah, like that brought me right back, man. Right back. And then, yeah, there's the ready-made strawberry milk that used to get when you were a kid. Yeah. And let's face it, that is a whole memory section in your brain that remembers that. It's looking for it.

Sometimes you go into a 7-11, you see one of those, you're like, yeah, kik, go, go, yeah. And now, like, I am straight up, the strawberry milk right there. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's probably tastes better because it's got a little bit, it's a little bit thicker. You know, it's got a little bit more. It's like a milkshake. Yeah. We're gonna have to come up with strawberry mulk adult too with a little bit more protein just for GP.

Yeah, GP's good. But in the meantime, get that Warrior Kid Strawberry. Bring you right back. And the Warrior Kid chocolate's good, too. It's awesome. Well, I prefer the chocolate. I'm just saying the strawberry brought me back. Interesting.

It was good. I like it, obviously. My son, my son drank most of it, but, you know. He's two. He's two, yes, sir. How's his, what's his bicep workouts looking like right now? Solid. He actually, I have a video of him deadlifting one of the kettlebells, the on-it-ones.

It's dope. Yeah, too. Good form, too. Kids have surprisingly good form. They know what's up. They get broken down over time. by society. Got to fight against it.

All right, let's roll. What else? Yeah, Moke, good. Also, what? Worry Kid Monke, you already said that, and that's that. We have our own store, so that's something. Yeah, if you want to represent, you want to get a shirt, you want to get a hoodie, you want to get a hat, more rash guards on there, more specific direct messages on the rafts

for staying on the path. Go to jocco store.com. Also, you can get t-shirts because not everyone wears rash guards all the time. Like John Donaheher yes so let's just wear regular maybe we should sometimes hey I'm down Yeah, we're gonna send we're to send John Donner or some some of these things Yeah, but yeah that's where it is jocco store.com good shirts on there new shirts on there by the way Oh interesting um shoot I've been meaning to sort of send everybody an email kind of letting them know because there's a few of them I'll do that check do that also got uh hats yeah for those of you that like flex fit hats they're available

They're dope. For those of you that like truckers hats, they're also available. Sure. And hoodies. Legit hoodies. Legit. Heavy. Heavy.

And do we also, do we have any Hawaiian on there left? No, Hawaiian. You know, yeah, no. As of right now, no. Okay. Maybe in the summer we'll make the Hawaiian one again. Or maybe the winner for the actual Hawaii people. Oh, yeah, true.

Got to get it home. So that's good. Yeah, some women stuff on there too, by the way. Some new, some more women's stuff. For the female troopers. Yes, specific. In the house. Not specific.

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So we got a little intense time period books coming out and all that But we're kind of getting through that So I'll be able to get back on the path of making the warrior kid podcast matter of fact I'm almost done with a story from uncle Jake good story from uncle Jake a real big lesson learned that'll be on the warrior kid podcast so subscribe to that one as well and don't forget about that warrior kid's scoop soap from irish oaks ranch dot com we got young aiding a warrior kid running his own business age 13 making money making product made in america made with goat milk what else do you need to know

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Spreading good messages to keep people on the path Sometimes to get people on the path That's that's a good thing psychological warfare speaking of the path Little help staying on the path these are little tracks about Overcoming your own personal individual weaknesses at one time or another Yes so you get that album and you press play in certain scenarios We're working on assembling psychological warfare two. Yeah.

Probably going to be called all your excuses are lies. Good. And that one will come out before Christmas. We'll get it to you before Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, we should be able to get it to you before Christmas. Yeah, in time for the New Year's resolutions as they develop. Yes, they develop.

You can know your anti-New Year's resolution. I am. From what I understand. Yeah, yeah. No, that's just another day to me. No feelings. Yeah, yeah. If I was gonna make a resolution,

you know when I'd start it, right now. Why would I wait? Today? Yeah, no, now, not even today, now. Not later today. No. Not after dinner. No, get it done now.

All right, well, it can still technically be a year's resolution because you could just be like, boom, like from now on for the next year. I get, eh, that doesn't really fit. Either way, I dig what you're saying, and cool, man, do it. Speaking of staying on the path,

on it.com slash jaco. Actually, there it is on it to stay on it. On it when they named it on the path. That's what they had it in reference to. I know that 100% for a fact. Get your fitness stuff. That's how you stay on the path. You bring the gym to your house.

You said this earlier. I still have a 24-R fitness membership, by the way. Yeah. And I go to 24-4 fitness every once in a while. But having this stuff at home will keep you on the like hardcore yeah yeah so get your kettle bells when you do kettle bells when you do kettle bells you do kettle bells yes I do kettle bells everyone that I know that's on the path does kettlebells I'm not saying that I'm not saying that

I'm saying if you're on the path and you don't do kettlebells consider getting kettlebells for your house and when you do go to on it dot com to get them because they're cooler in my opinion that's the only ones I got go there there's a lot of cool stuff on there some clothes on there too If you want a lot of information as well. Yeah on it.com slash jaco by the way It's a good spot also jaco white tea speaking of bringing the gym to your house You better bring eight thousand pounds anyway if you're drinking jaco white tea yes it is proven people ask me is that for real eight thousand pounds Yeah 100% 100% one ton is 2,000 pounds yeah

So four tons four you will be able to deadlift and you only have to drink one too by the way I drink the can't Yeah, yeah, and sometimes people say well I can only deadlift you know 485 and I'm like drink more tea. Yeah, I remember I used to be like that too. I dig it, but yeah. Hey, it even got Jordan B. Peterson Yeah, off his, he was plateaued at 7,000 pounds God knows how long he was stuck there that week level. I know, then he got right up 8,000 pounds. Easy money. So he's there white tea. You know what's what's funny about? Not what's funny, what's interesting first episode of this podcast. Oh, yeah, We talk about Pomegranate chai. Yeah, you say pomegranate chai. I don't know whatever tea

That you're into. Because that was the first One you made this weird kind of easing into the podcast Starting, which wasn't really what I had in mind. Yeah. You know, I had more mind like, hey, okay, we press record, we start. Right. And you had hey, you know We're cruising over here. We'll just kind of be Well, yeah, well, the podcast has begun now. But as a result A little different mindset. As a result, there's that added layer for the people that did listen to that first few seconds

of that first first episode you say pomonger or we say pomegranate chai you say no pomegranate white tea and then look at you look at you now look at you now yeah meet your own pomegranate white tea well people would ask me all the time what kind of tea and I wouldn't really be able to tell them

because I would try different ones no one was perfect so I just weren't made the perfect one mean your own boom yeah that's how you do it we have it on our website too by the way jocco store We offer it there, but you can get it anywhere. Yeah. Amazon too. Amazon has this stuff.

Amazon Prime for the cans. Save yourself a little shipping. You're on Amazon Prime. Then you got that also on Amazon and everywhere you can buy books. We got some, we got some books. I got Way the Warrior Kid and Mark's Mission. Those are part of a series and those will, those are good books for your children as a parent. They were how many people have told me this these books have made parenting easier for them

Because now they just look at their kids and say hey, do you think this is what a warrior kid would do? Yeah, you think a warrior kid would eat that donut right now? Yeah, I don't think so You think that warrior kid would leave with it would leave the room all dirty? I don't think so And the kids like no no no way I got parents that say their kids say don't know or your kid wouldn't do that Yeah, like when they read warrior kid their voice goes from like hey dad. Hey dad. I don't think we're gonna do it's like hey dad I don't think we should do that Sounds like weakness to me Yeah

Case in point today So my daughter She's sensitive I wouldn't say thin skin I don't know Thin skin sensitive Whatever So like if you say something mean to her

As like a if another kid says something mean That's something to her You know she's super nice to everybody So A kid called her a liar But apparently That's this kid's thing He just calls people liar

Like I got a good reaction out of it at some point You know what I mean? No got a good reaction out of it to some point. Yeah. At some point somebody acted all crazy and he's like, oh, okay, now I know how to make people rule it. Now I know how to get a reaction.

Yeah. So she doesn't like that, you know, because she, lying was kind of the thing. My dad always kind of, we would get spankings for lying. That's pretty much it. That's a big violation of the whole thing. So, you know, so as a result, not to say I spank her for lying, I'm not saying that, but she doesn't like the whole lying thing. Or she gets a cue.

You know how she'll do something? I'll be like, hey, did you brush your tea? She'll be like, yes. And it'll be like, And then you go smell that breath. Are you telling the truth? She'll be like, oh my gosh, she'll get devastated if I think she's lying.

Well, you go check for toothbrushes, wet or dry? No. See, I go deep. You want to lie to me, we're going, we're going. But see what you did, though?

But see what you do, though. Like, if I go and investigate, that indicates to her, she's fine now. Lack of trust. Yeah, like, you think I'm lying and she gets really sad. So anyway, what I'm saying

is she's sensitive to that kind of stuff. I think she's manipulating you. That's very possible, too. But it seems to. If they're fine. If they're good. Yeah. Gotta watch him.

Yes, you do. Anyway, so at school, she was like, hey, that's the boy. He calls me liar. And another day, he called her a liar every day. Like, that's his name. Like, you're a liar every day. Oh, okay. So one of my things, not to go too deep into it, I tell her, hey, you're a nice person.

So you be nice to people, whether they're mean to you or not. So you're just a nice person. You don't like become a mean person because they'd be mean. And she goes, well, I really don't like to be called a liar. I was like, would you rather be called a liar or plate face? and then she started laughing because she remembers that's how he gets over it

he laughs at himself calls himself plate face you know Nathan he's over there he's all kind of laughing confused like oh that's funny and they laugh about it and they slowly become friends so she was like boom way less about it

that was today and I'm not even joking that was today when I dropped her off awesome so that's way of warrior kid and Mark's mission we also got Discipline equals Freedom Field Manual this is the book

that what's great about this one people tell me I read two pages every day. I read three pages every day. I wake up in the morning and read one page. Get yourself on the path. Get your mind right, as my boy, meth used to say. Up in Yosemite.

He hit me up on Twitter, by the way. I'm going to track him down. And so that's Discipline Goes Freedom Field Manual. Christmas time, good gift for someone. You want to put someone on the path? Cool. Get him that book. Don't even say anything.

Don't even, don't even introduce. It just give them that book and just let it let it ride Because when you open it up you're gonna open it you have to open it up because it looks it's not normal And when you open it up you see that's not normal either it's not just a bunch of like black print on a white page No no it's different yes you start flipping through it then you start saying wait a second This makes sense to me I did the next thing you know you wake up and it's not 742 it's 448 So 742 is still pretty good.

I think. That depends on who you are, I guess. So that's the Discipline equals Freedom Field Manual. After that, well, not after that, but the first book, Extreme Ownership. This is a book about combat leadership. And you got the dichotomy of leadership, which just came out. Dicotomy Leadership, by the way, by the way, extreme ownership number five right now on the Wall Street Journal business books list.

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