Jocko Podcast - 177: What To Do When You Fail. Dealing w/ Betrayal From a Bro. Motivation: Customers VS Money. Advice for New Leaders.

Episode Date: May 15, 2019

0:00:00 - Opening 0:14:13 - Dealing with a pessimistic boss. 0:19:34 - Being the youngest leader in your company dealing with older experienced team. 0:27:19 - What to do when people treat you like a doormat. 0:38:13 - Business: Customers VS Money. 0:42:38 -  Family VS Work. 0:50:08 - Dealing with NOT being able to be a SEAL/Marine/SOF. 0:57:46 - Dealing with "giving up / Quitting" in major circumstances in the past. BUDS, etc. 1:03:56 - Dealing Betrayal from someone close to you. 1:18:08 - How to discipline key players without messing up morale. 1:20:54 - What to do when you FAIL. 1:23:23 - Support: How to stay on THE PATH. 1:47:06 - Closing Gratitude.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 177 with Echo Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. A few days later, when I walked downstairs to go work out, I saw Uncle Jake's bag packed up sitting by the door. That's when it hit me. The summer was almost over and Uncle Jake was leaving again. I went out to the garage to work out and Uncle Jake was already there. Last workout with me for the summer, he said with a smile.

I can't believe it's over already. Summer always goes by so fast, I told him. Yes, it does, Uncle Jake said quietly. And life does the same thing. I wasn't sure what Uncle Jake meant by that. So I asked, what? You'll see, Mark, he said. Life goes by quickly.

Like a summer day. It never seems that way when you're, young but when you get a little older you'll see life goes by fast so don't waste any time you don't get a second chance uncle Jake stood for a minute looking at me with a serious face then he gave me a little smile and said speaking of wasting time let's stop wasting time and get this workout done he jumped up on the pull-up bar grabbed and started knocking them out and that is a little excerpt from the last chapter in a new book the latest edition in the series way of the warrior

kid book three the subtitle of book is where there is a will and I wrote that part of the book because I wanted to let kids know as early as possible that that is the truth that life goes by like a summer day and that life is short and if you remember When you were a kid and summer, you get out of school for the summer and it seems like you have all the time in the world. It seems like summer vacation is going to last forever. And then all of a sudden it's blurred. You look up and as soon as summer vacation has started, all of a sudden, it's over. That's what I remember about summers.

And that's the truth. And that's what life is like about a year and a half. September 29th, 2017th. And September 29th is St. Michael's Day. That's the day that Mikey Monsor was killed in Ramadi in 2006. So on September 29th, 2017, I woke up and I was thinking about that. And I was thinking about Mikey. And later that day, I think I was actually heading up to Rosecrans National Cemetery where Mikey is big. I was going to go and visit Mikey's grave and while I was on my way up there I got a call and I found out that one of my mentors or one of the guys that raised me in the

SEAL teams a guy named Master Chief Mike Fackety he had died and he had been in a a pretty hardcore battle with lung cancer, even though he was a non-smoker, even though he's a triathlet, even though he worked out all the time. He got this form of lung cancer, and originally the doctors told him he was going to live for six months, but that was in, I think, 2012. He had retired in 2001. And I'm sitting there thinking about faculty and actually BTF, Tony. And actually BTF Tony talked about him, called him FAC when he was on the podcast, because we all called him FAC.

But I remembered just a bunch of different things about FAC. And one of the things that I remembered was I had come back from my third deployment. So this is in the 90s back in the day. And I had done my third deployment and I had been moved into the training department at SEAL Team 1. So instead of doing a workup and going on deployment, the way the teams used to be set up, you would go into training cell. And the team trained itself. The training department at SEAL Team 1 trained to the platoons at SEAL Team 1. Later it became that we had a big centralized training command.

That's what I ran before I got out. Before I retired, I ran that the trade at on the West Coast. But it used to be each team had their own training cell. And that's how you would train platoons to get ready for their deployment. deployments and of course nobody really wanted to be in training cell because it meant you couldn't go on deployment and that's why you joined the seal teams is to go on deployment and for whatever reason we'd in a bunch of us from my platoon that I'd gone through buds with a bunch of guys we'd all done three platoons and they kind of we all kind of got thrown into training

cell at the same time and we'd been in there for a couple days I mean maybe less than a week We'd come back from deployment. We'd get put into training cell. And I kind of forget what happened, but a couple guys that were getting ready to deploy got hurt. In fact, it might have been guys had gotten hurt as soon as they got over there. Maybe they didn't go on deployment. The guys that went and replaced us.

All of a sudden, they needed a couple guys. And at quarters in the morning, that's when at SEAL Team 1, they used to have quarters in the morning where you all stand up and line up, Sort of like your typical military formation everyone would kind of line up and Buy a platoon and the platoons would all report in that was an old school Team one deal right there and then if there was any important announcements to make then the announcements would get made and then everyone would go about their day Well the announcement that got made that morning

Was hey we need two guys to go on deployment is there anyone here that feels like going on deployment is there anyone here that feels like going on deployment? deployment or can go on deployment and of course it's a big deal right to just pick up and go and leave for six months and It was actually my roommate at the time who had been my roommate who I went through buds with and who I did three Patoons with I went through seal tactical training with with with them and we were actually roommates that entire time So we were tight you're my brother and when they asked this question of hey, is there anybody here that can go on deploy? like tomorrow or the next day and basically out of the whole team it was him and me we raised our hands said yeah hey we'll go because at that time you know we were just single team guys we didn't have anything else we literally had nothing else you could put our whole world

into two cruise boxes and we could ship anywhere in the world we didn't care we had no attachments we had didn't care about anything so of course we raised our hands and as soon as our hands went up master chief faculty gave us a glare because he was the guy that was in charge of training cell so he gave us a glare and quarters ended and he goes he said hey watch you guys come upstairs and talk to me real quick and I was thinking okay we must have done something wrong and you sometimes you didn't know what you did wrong but I me and my buddy we figured we'd done something wrong so we went up there and actually actually now and I think about it we He brought us into the chiefs mess.

And we were like E4s or E5s at the time. And so going, getting pulled into the chief's mess. I'd never been in there before. And I was like scared thinking, what did I? I thought I did something wrong. I thought that I left a trail of some crime I'd committed. And now we're getting busted. And we get up there and basically he reamed us out.

And he says, listen, you guys need to be in training cell. And he was making great points. I didn't recognize that time. He said, look, if you want to be professionals, if this is where you're going to learn. A lot we need good guys to be teaching the rest of the platoons. That's why you're in here You're not going on deployment shut up and I'm pulling your names out of the hat and they'll find two other people that can go We'll send some new guys over there. It doesn't matter

So that's what it was that was this little story. It was funny because you know we were It was just funny from multiple reasons when I thought back about it just the fact that you're in a point in your life I think I was probably like 23 or 24 years old and just Just think about right now if someone says, hey, can you just leave for six months tomorrow? I mean, there's not too many people that can just pull up and do that. So there's that, there's the fact that,

you know, faculty was bringing us into the Chief's mess and we were all nervous about that. And then the fact that, you know, faculty, what he was actually doing was trying to look out for us and trying to look out for our careers and trying to look out for the SEAL team. He was trying to do the right thing.

And it was one of those little stories and there's just all these little stories like that, that make up that whole era of my life. That whole time, as a young enlisted guy at Ziltimmon, it's this whole bunch of memories. And when he died, I got this feeling that those memories, those days are over. they're gone because at least partially because when fact was around like part of those

memories are facts memories like only he could tell us what he was thinking at that time and when he died when he died then those memories are gone and like I can't ask him about them I can't go and have a beer with him and talk about that time and hear his side of it like no They're not here. They're gone. And as I was, you know, again, going up to see Mikey Monsor at Rosecrans, and I continue to think about that and thinking about the memories that Mikey had and how those are gone. But I didn't have too much time to dig into those thoughts because the next morning,

September 30th, 2017, that's when I got one. word that the Delta platoon commander, my brother, Seth Stone, had died as well. And all kinds of memories died with him. I mean, I got my half of them, but it's half. It's incomplete conversations and jokes and guitar jams. And then on top of those, I'd get little. like Seth was incredibly smart and he'd give me little ideas little thoughts

but only the beginning of them because there's millions of things to talk about and you think you've got your whole life to to consider those things but you don't and I get that we can try and talk about them

or we can try and write them down and we can do everything in our power to to try and hang on to those things. The fact of the matter is you can't. You can't preserve them in their true form. It's just gone. And as I thought about that

and as I continue to think about that and try and figure out what can preserve these memories, then what can we do? I mean, I think the best thing that we can do is try and make more. Try and make more. Make more memories. So, to keep in mind what Uncle Jake said,

life goes by like a summer day. So you better take advantage of it, and you best make yourself some memories along the way. With that, Echo. Yes. It's been a little while since we did some Q&A. Yes, sir. What do you got?

We got some questions from the innerwebs. All right. We'll go into it. First question. What do you do when the boss always says we can't, but doesn't offer logical and reasonable alternatives to make positive forward changes? Should one just do what they think is best and not listen to the boss? Okay.

First of all, what we want to do is we want to support the boss. We want to build a relationship with the boss. What's the best way to support the boss? The best way to build a relationship is to be a performer. Be a performer inside the box, right? That the boss has said, you can't do this, you can't do that. Cool. We're going to do the best we can inside the box.

And once you do that, once you actually, once you actually are a performer, then you have leverage. Then you can actually talk about a different way of doing things. You can bring up a legitimate idea to the boss. And they may, will they have a better chance of listening to you? So that's what you got to do. You got to play the game a little bit. You got to become a performer.

You've got to do what it is, the way they want it done to the best of your ability, be successful with it. And then once you've built up some clout and some relationship and maybe a little political capital, then you can present a new idea. And when you present the new idea, have the facts lined up. Don't go in there half cocked and present your idea and hopefully gets cleared. Now, that's one, that's section A.

Section B is, do you got to make things happen sometimes? Yep. And depending on how, like, it's that whole thing of, it's better to beg forgiveness than ask for permission. That's a, that's a, it's a, it's a tool. It's definitely a tool. If you abuse it, you're going to get. If it's one of those things where the boss has told you not to do something and you decide, well, I'm going to do it anyways and I'll just beg for forgiveness. They actually told you not to do it.

That's not where you're supposed to use that tool. That's just that's just that's just unsat. It's unsat. If it's something where, well, I kind of suspect that the boss might not want it this way, but you know what? Chances are it's going to go in my direction and chances are it's going to be beneficial. And chances are the boss might not even found out. And if the boss does find out, this isn't something that they've ever declared hostile on. So you'll be okay in that situation to beg for forgiveness.

But don't abuse that tool. And then what you do is you start if when you're inside the, hey, I'm going to beg for forgiveness. Then you can start actually doing something in developing a standard operating procedure that makes sense. And then once you get it solidified, you go to the boss and say, hey, boss, we've been doing this a different way. I want to let you know, I want to show you what we've been doing. Because we, you know, boss, we never really had a specific way of getting this done. And I know some other people did it like this and some people did it like that. We came up with a methodology.

I actually wrote the whole thing out for you so you can see exactly what we're doing. Boom. Who's going to say no to that? Plus it's been successful 80 times. Boom. We're good. So that's what you want to do. That's pretty straightforward.

Don't just straight disobey the boss unless the boss is telling you do something that's going to get someone killed or is, you leave. or whatever but if they're just have a different idea or something just go with it execute it become a good performer and then once you have that relationship built you'll have all kinds of influence over your boss I always had crazy influence over my bosses I don't want to sound I don't say in an arrogant way it wasn't like I was manipulating my bosses but my boss is like I was honest with my bosses and they I did good work and so when I said hey boss is is we sure we should do it this way they'd be like well what do you think and I say well here's what I think

and then we'd get shit done. So pretty straightforward. Pretty straightforward. Yeah, that asking for forgiveness thing. It's a risky move. It's not a risky move. It's sometimes it's a great, great move. Yeah, if you kind of like how you said,

like don't abuse it where, you know, there's levels to it. Yeah. Where there's like little things. 32 levels? So like if you, if there's one that's like how you said, like he told you not to do something. And this goes for like anyone like, anyone you're dealing with, like even your,

friends kind of thing, you know, where if they, if you know for a fact that they don't want you to do it. So that's why you prefer not to ask for permission because you know they're going to say no, but you know, it's like, but you're, right, you shouldn't do that and you know that. Yeah. But if it's the kind where it's like, hmm, I can see why he'd want to do it maybe this way or maybe not even necessarily want to do this way because maybe he doesn't see the benefits that we see right now, but and he's close-minded. He's, you know, he has that reputation.

So let's sort of do it. How you said, successfully, you know, kind of thing. So, and then that's on the other side of the spectrum. know but some people men they'll just like take it to level five or whatever and be like oh yeah they're gonna hate this but it's better to ask for forgiveness and permission because that's a guarantee no and forgiveness at least like but probably you're gonna damage the relationship if you do that the kind of stuff then you're gonna get tightened down on yeah you're like a step backwards yeah oh yeah man it's true don't don't let that happen don't let that happen next question I'm the youngest

leader in my firm's history I try and implement extreme ownership and default aggressiveness in my team being so young some of my elder subordinates sometimes dismiss my directives how do I lead those people effectively okay so I actually hate when I get this question or questions like this because it it means that I've screwed up that's what it means I don't like to screw up but when I see a question like this it means that somebody has misinterpreted the message a little bit they haven't read the dichotomy leadership for sure in my opinion because if you read the dichotomy of leadership you'll see that extreme ownership and default aggressive are supposed to be

balanced and so that's what's going on here you got someone that's like you know what i'm going to take extreme ownership hey we're doing this my way this i'm the boss i'm a leader and that's just horrible and everyone hates you so bro you're young they don't hate you because you're young they're not mad at you because you're inexperienced they don't dismiss you because because you are a decade younger than them. That's not why it's happening. It's happening because you are lacking humility. You haven't built up any relationship with these people. You haven't built up any leadership capital with them. You haven't asked them how they think they should do things. You haven't asked them what they've been doing for the last 22 years

while you are going to middle school, right? So come in, be humble. The, the, the, the, best way to gain respect from people. And this is what's hard to do. This is what's hard to understand. You want people to respect you? Ask them a question. Listen to what they have to say. Listen to their opinion.

If they come up with a good plan, use their plan. The worst way to gain respect from people is to go in and demand respect from people. Is to go in and say, I'm implementing default aggressive. You've not heard of that? You never read extreme ownership, have you? I'll tell you what. That's the way we're doing it here. I'll get you a copy so you can read up and get on board with my program.

These are all bad. So I'm not trying to say you sound just like that, but you might sound something like that. And you don't need to be too far off that. So appreciate that you're getting after it, but what you need to get after more is some balance. Be humble. Listen to the team.

Listen to what they have to say. Ask for their input. Follow their input when you can. That's a little black belt move. It's a little black belt. It's actually a blue belt move, but blue belt purple belt move. Like, hey, my team gives me input.

But I listened to them. We actually, you know, hey, Echo, how do you think we should? I think we should attack this target from the north. Okay, sounds good. Why don't we roll with that? That's a blue belt move, man. What's a white belt move? Negative.

No, the white belt move is like, hey, echo, we're doing this. We're attacking this target from the south. You got any questions? And you're like, well, I think I could, from the north might be a little bit better. That might be what you think, but that's not what we're doing. Plus, I'm in charge. Because I got ownership of this whole thing. And I'm default aggressive.

So do what I said. So don't be that guy, man. Try and back off a little bit. As a leader, you should be looking at, like, one of your primary goals, if not your primary goal is to form a relationship with your team, with the people on your team. So get it done. I remember in Jiu-Jitsu one time, Greg McIntyre, Greg Train.

Yes. He was teaching a move. And the move that he was teaching, he apparently got from me. And so. So he was teaching this move or whatever and, you know, sitting there, we're all, and he was teaching, he taught, he taught it good, taught it way better than I could teach. Way better. In fact, he taught it. I simply probably could not teach this move.

And he, and after he was done, he was like, hey, Echo does his move really good to the class. Echo does his move? Echo, do you have anything to add to the move? And I was like, no, I don't, I don't remember if I did. I don't think I did. But just that feeling, you know, he included me in it, you know, and, you know, and, you know, and, Man, it was so empowering, you know, even though it was, you know, in his mind. And I actually thinking back in my mind, like that, that was kind of my move, you know.

Yeah, what move was it? It was a, it was a guard pass move. Okay. The one I always do to you. Depends on what you mean by always. Yeah, but nonetheless, like, just how you say, like how you ask their input kind of thing. It's like you include them in the thing. It's not just asking it.

It's actually receiving it and implementing it. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the closure. of the move. Man. Yeah. That's the closure of the move. Right. Talk about like a feeling.

And granted, me and Greg are good friends anyway. But I'm just saying like you can imagine that situation how that, how anyone would feel when you, especially if you're older in this little young buck, who does he think he is? And he comes to you. You're like, oh, hell yeah. Okay. This guy knows like, you know, we can do this together.

You know, you can really get that feeling. I would imagine anyway. That's what you want to do, Mr. Youngest Leader in your firm's history. Dang, congrats on that. Yeah. Congrats on it. Hey, you're getting after it.

What got you there? may not get you to the next level. What got you there might have been like being aggressive and making things happen and stepping up, that's cool. But if you piss off everyone in your department, that's not going to work out good for you. They'll start to undermine you. They'll sabotage you.

So you got to be careful. Check. I mean, okay, is there a possibility that everyone in the department you got put in there to straighten things out? That's a different question. That's a different question. Let me tell you something else. When you get it, when people are dismissing

what you're saying, that's a horrible sign. One of the leadership books that we covered, the rule was don't give commands that aren't going to be followed. Because every time you give a command that you know isn't going to be followed, that's not going to work out good for you. It's reinforcing the fact that no one needs to listen to you. So don't be giving orders that are being dismissed. If somebody doesn't do something, you go,

hey, man, I know that I might have come across a little wrong when I was talking you about, you know getting this done this part of this task done and I see it's still not done is there is some support that you need for me is there some help that you need for me because this is important I probably didn't do a good job of explaining why it's important but it's actually connected to this larger project that we're doing over at headquarters and this is our part of the task and I don't think I explained that very well but do you need anything else for me to to maybe move this along you can't just allow things to be for you to talk to for you to give directions

and they just get blown off yeah like that's not good and what I'm not saying is, oh, you blow off my order, now I'm going to go high order on you. Right? That's not what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense too because, man, if I had a boss who I was primed to dismiss any of his directives. Yeah.

And it happened and it happened successfully. Like I dismissed it. And there was really no real repercussions. Oh, you better believe I'm picking and choosing what I'm following. And by the way, that's a, he's testing the envelope anyway. He's testing to see, you know, what he can get away with. because he sees your young, young buck rolling in here.

Things are going to tell me what to do. Watch this. I'm not going to listen to you. Okay. Cool. Now, if you fly off the handle and go nuts, you know what? You'll get them to do it immediately.

And then guess what? You're going to get undermined. You're going to get usurped. You're going to get, they're going to have the project fail just so they can get rid of you. They're going to laugh at you. Yeah,

that's bad. As you're getting walked out by the HR department. So you've got to be careful, man. You got to be careful. That's what I'm saying. Balance these things out. Balance extreme ownership. Get the book dichotomy leadership.

That's what it's about. It's about being balanced. Cool. Next question. Jocco. What do you do when people treat you like a dormant? And then when you finally put your foot down, they lose their minds. I try to be agreeable, but there's a limit.

When I stand my ground, people act shocked. Any advice? Yeah. So this is actually kind of the same thing, right? You need to be balanced. Because what's happening with this dude, I assume, is that sitting around getting like a pushover, like a doormat, people are kind of walking all over them. Then all of a sudden he does an instant 180 and goes, puts his foot down, right? And now you think that they're going to do a 180.

You think that they're going to say, oh, sorry, I didn't mean to, oh, sorry, Echo. I didn't know that that offended you. I'm sorry. No. When you do that, they're like, what's wrong with you, bro? You just started tripping. Yeah. Yeah, you're freaking out over nothing.

So of course when you stand their ground, they're going to be shocked, right? Which is what you're saying happened. This is like no surprise at all. So what you need to do is you got to draw the line a little bit earlier, but without going nuts. And I think I got a good example of how you do this. Okay, let's say you got a dog. And the dog is like kind of mellow and happy and just doesn't just all good. And then like all of a sudden, you know, you're walking by the dog one day and it bites you on the

armed like like big time yeah big time how do you feel about that dog yeah bad i don't like that that's bad that dog's getting put down yeah right this dog right let's say it bit one of your kids oh yeah that that dog's getting put down okay so that's that's what this guy is doing all acting all like everything's like nothing bothering me and all of a sudden biting people right think about what a dog like a normal dog does what a normal dog does is it's if it starts getting a offended a little bit or starts getting problems. It's like stands up a little bit, right? And then it's going to growl.

Now that's an indicator. So even a kid, even a child knows. I don't know what age, but pretty young kids know that a growling dog is a, is a warning. What else do dogs do? Dogs show their teeth. That's another warning. Like, hey, that's another line in the sand. And barking, right?

Because you have to bark. And, I mean, a dog barks at you and a dog. barks you need it's got your attention it's growling at you you know what's going to happen next if you keep doing whatever it is you're doing right you need it back away from that dog now if you did if the bug dog did all those things to you and then it bit you you'll still be mad at it but you at least know that you kind of had it coming right right yes sir so so there you go that's what this dude needs to do a little bit of he needs to learn how to growl a little bit

how to bark a little bit, how to show your teeth a little bit, how to just stand up, posture correct. Because there's, you know a dog, if you know dogs at all, dogs have a posture. And they have a posture, their ears are down and their, their tails down. When they get fired up, boom, ears are up. They're on alert. Their back is, they get, the cackles can stand up and everything. That means like, okay, that's even before growling.

That's happening. Alert. So this dude needs to learn how to come to an alert, improve his pot, increase his paw, in those moments not when it's getting too far but like when someone when somebody gives you a little jab you know you can't bite them you got to give a little growl yeah back them off a little bit you know and again this is I don't know you you know so it's hard for me to say some people just have a hard time dealing with when people harass them yes because I think the best thing to do when somebody makes fun of me is just to

like yeah that's yeah good one you know like because you know just like we were talking about before we started this podcast if I let you know that whatever you just said to me bothers me bro I can expect you to just keep getting after that thing until I snap right so you got to be careful you don't want to be all hypersensitive the other thing to remember is man when people are making fun of you it's not like they hate you most of the time yeah you know it's it's not that big of a deal like people People talk smack to each other, right? People talk smack to each other.

And I guarantee this is a good way to think about it. If someone talks smack to you, if you, and then you both leave, let's say it's at work, you go home, the other person that was talking smack goes home. You go home, you're thinking about it. That person that was talking smack didn't think about it one millisecond after he left the office. He doesn't care. He's not sitting there thinking about you. He's not thinking like, man, I'm really glad I told Echo that, you know, he. He had a funny looking eyebrows.

That was awesome. I can't believe how weird his eyebrows are. Like, I mean, that's, he's not doing that, right? He's not even thinking about it. He just went home. He's carrying on his life. Carry on with your life. Don't get all tied up about what these other people are thinking of you.

It's not that big of a deal. Don't sit around thinking about it. It's a perception that we have that the whole world revolves around us and that people are sitting around thinking about us all the time. It's like they're not thinking about you all the time. They're at home. There's not too many people that are actually thinking about you all the time. especially if they're making fun of you like they're they're not thinking about that all the

time so just relax take a wrap off and just you know try to have a little bit less tension and you know and try and learn to growl a little bit or at least protect your space a little bit and these are kind of contradictory things that I'm saying one of them's like hey laugh at it the other ones like kind of learn to growl a little bit I would say first the first method is better the first method is like hey just laugh it off don't worry about it these people aren't thinking about you. They don't care. Probably it's like when we had Jordan Peterson, he was talking about his friend, Lunch Bucket, right? Lunch Bucket? The guy that worked in, and as soon as everyone realized that it bothered him that they called him lunch bucket, everyone just called him lunch bucket,

and then he quit because he couldn't handle it. So don't be, if you were, if someone calls you lunch bucket, you like, cool. Yeah, my mom makes a good sandwich. Mom makes a pretty good Sammy, you know, and then boom, you break out the lunch bucket. You're like, you know, go with it. No, no factor. Yeah. You start freaking out about this stuff. It's going to to drive you crazy. So be careful. Don't freak out about stuff. If you have to learn to stand your ground a little bit,

but don't just start snapping. A dog. Yeah. Like a rabid dog. Yeah. That is a good little escalation. That example. Yeah.

Escalating, you know, the dog thing. Because, I mean, getting treated like a dormant, that could look like a bunch of different things. You know, it's teasing. That seems like the obvious one or whatever, but, you know, that could be a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah. That could be like, hey, grab me some coffee.

Yeah, right? Sometimes people will just do that because you haven't ever said to him like you know like hey man are you ever going to get me coffee? What's up? You know, you just make a joke about it. It's the same thing. Yeah, exactly. Like dealing with it like as a, you know, something bothers you. So and I could see this maybe happening because every once in a while like, you know, you kind of run into these scenarios where like someone does something that you don't really like or you don't, I don't appreciate the way they treated me right there during that scenario. And it sort of always happens. But it's too small to make a big deal out of it at. that time and when you're a agreeable person, you're just like, all right, I'm going to, essentially I'm going to let it slide, whatever, you know, but it happens again, then again, but I'm agreeable, I'm letting it slide, ha, ha, maybe I'll even laugh it off, whatever. So to the other person, they're just like, whatever, they're just like, whatever, they're just how you said, they're not thinking about it. They're just going about their business and they're getting a laugh here and there, which instantly gets forgotten and whatever. They keep going about their business, no, no, no factor. Meanwhile, in my head, I'm like, man, this is, I'm getting a

getting tired of this. I'm straight up getting tired. So it happens one day, maybe I got a little less sleep that day or something. One teeny tiny thing, I'm flying off the handle. Hey, I don't appreciate this and this and that. You always do it.

And they're like, do I always do this? Even if I did, I didn't get any. So then you get this little reputation. People act shocked, as the guy says. You know, when I stand my ground, it's the other person, it's kind of like, why are you standing your ground right now?

It doesn't make sense. Like, even if I did remember all the times I've done this you were laughing the whole time like it doesn't compute it was funny now that now that I think I think about times in my life like when I was younger and someone would stand their ground on me or whatever and I'd be like what do you talk I'd be the exact person that you're talking about saying what are you talking about man like I have no idea what you're talking about yeah why are you freaking out right now yeah and they're like you always say stuff like that and maybe I'd put together like okay

maybe I do make whereas now that I'm older if someone was to freak out like that on me I would instantly recognize thinking myself like you know what I probably do things that I shouldn't I probably oh yeah I kind of ride this person and that's why they're freaking out right now yeah a little bit more aware yeah of my impact yeah and but in a way you sort of had to I mean I'm sure you've sort of you're sort of familiar with this you know even like painting that picture it's like it's obvious you're familiar with you know but when it's happening to you you're kind of not but then if you have to go go back and do like some

investigation of your whole like relationship with a person to understand okay now I see how that could have been interpreted back last year and then maybe three months ago and then maybe last week and then like right now okay I'm after you know then it it but it doesn't compute naturally you know so yeah if you do that the escalating dog yes thing it'll it'll be more clear I think yeah and only be an escalated dog only escalate the dog scenario if you can't just have a good time with it and relax and not worry about it. Yeah. Which is the primary goal.

Yes. But being treated like a dormant, like I said, like if, you know how like people are just so, you know, people, a people pleaser type of person, like in a relationship or something. Okay. Like, you know, like, I don't know. I can't think of an example, but. Can't think of a movie reference? That's very pathetic.

Actually, I can think of a bunch. You're digging deep. Anyway, if you're like a people pleasing, and you do everything for, you know, and then they don't do it back, you know, kind of thing. Like, oh, yeah, you let your, you know, husband or wife or whatever, you let them go out every Saturday just because they want to. They want to go play poker or, you know, one of these things that, what's the common thing that they do? And they do, and they come back late and drunk, can go play. But no, well, it'll be way worse than that. It'll be just total, like, whatever you need or want, you got it. And then, like, the one time they say,

hey, I want to go shopping on this. They'd be like, oh, shopping. Well, you got to do this. You got to do the kid. You know, like that kind of where it's like a disproportionate, like, relationship, you know, kind of thing. Like that can, I can see how it can go down with those types of relationships. You know, like being a, you can't just laugh those things off in life. You know, you do have to do the escalation thing. You have to be like, hey. That's a little bit more serious.

Yeah. True. Next question. Hey, Jocco, I'm a business owner in the beginning stages of merging with another company. The other company doesn't know much about what we do, but has the sales and marketing we need. just at a conference with just at a conference call with them and it didn't go well they're wanting to change the pay structure for our contractors as well as change how we build our customers all the all for the benefit of money to

ching yeah you'll save some money on that one isn't it not a good idea to have have the primary mission be about money and more so on the success of the customer or is it good to be money motivated I I have and enjoy all your book Oh, well, that's cool. Any advice would be helpful. So that means you've read the dichotomy of leadership, I hope. Because this is the answer of the day. Need to be more balanced.

Okay, so if you're money hungry, right? Which is what this is sounding like. If you're money hungry, correct. If you're money hungry, you're going to cut corners on product. The product is going to be weak or low quality. You're going to do wrong by the customer, right? Because when you get a chance to, you know, the customer, The customer placed an order, a double order by accident.

They click the click thing twice. And they're still going to have to pay that restocking fee, you know, or whatever. Like whatever the thing is, right? You treat customers like that and they're going to go, okay, well, we don't really want to shop with you anymore. And you end up with a bad reputation. And the quality is low. And eventually you have no more business. That's what's going to happen.

So, no, we can't go hardcore money grubbing. Just that's our focus. other end of the spectrum is hey we're paying our contractors too much is that possible? Yes, it's possible. You're giving your customers too much.

You're giving them too good of a price point. And guess what's now going to happen? Same thing. You're going to not have a business anymore. So one, your business goes out of business because you don't have any business anymore because you've treated your customers bad and the contractors don't want to work with you.

So you end up shutting down. This one's opposite. Everyone loves you. You just don't have any more. money so you're going out of business giving it all right so there has to be some balance you have to find the right balance that's what every company is trying to do now I would say that you would you where you want to lean and this is probably what you're thinking you want to lean toward taking care of the customer you want to lean toward giving the contractors

good value for their work you want to lean toward high quality the reason you want to towards those things is those are all long-term strategic payoffs right what's the short-term the short-term is take advantage of the customers the short term is screw over the contractors the short term is put out low-quality stuff we make good profit this quarter yeah yeah but it's a it's a short-term win it's a long-time long-term loss so that's why I would say lean don't go out of control you can't go out of control in that direction but you can lean towards that direction now as far as the new the merger and all this stuff get it I get it here's what's gonna happen what you need to go and build good relationships with those people the new company they need to be your best friends because if you build relationships with them then you can have influence over these points if you have an antagonistic relationship and you're the new guy or whatever like oh yeah the new company you you think they don't you're saying that they what does you say they don't know

what we do right what do you think they think they think you don't know what they do They're thinking, you know what? You don't even, hey, you guys might make good product, but you can't sell anything. We got sales and we got marketing. We could sell anything. We don't care what it looks like. We don't care what the quality is. That's what they're thinking.

So you need to form a relationship with them because I will tell you with their sales and marketing. If you're making a good product, that's how we get the big time win. But if you have an antagonistic relationship with them, it'll all fall apart and you won't have any influence at all. And they'll be like, you don't even know what you're talking about, dude. We're just going to jack the price even more. And we're going to undercut our contractors. We're going to get contractors competing with each other.

They're going to hate each other. They're going to hate us. But it doesn't matter. Look at our bottom line. So build some relationships there. Next wish. I'm conflicted about where my loyalty lies. I have a wife and two children.

But I recently took a job within federal law enforcement and based on my prior tactical experience, I'll be given the opportunity to attend a two-week selection for a position as an operator on a full-time tactical team that will most certainly pull me away from my family. My heart is in the right place. I know this level of sacrifice is needed in order to keep evil at bay.

However, I believe every father feels that obligation to be at home, to raise the children. And I'm learning that balancing duty, responsibility, loyalty, commitment to family to country is hard and may be impossible. All right. So, oh, and he goes on to say that I know you have made this decision yourself. Yeah. And I would say to this dude, actually you are the only person that can make this decision.

And you're right. I did make that decision. I did 20 years and I, at the end of 20 years, decided to prioritize my family over the military and over my own desires too. Because believe me, the selfish thing is just keep getting after it. But also what's important I was not good at balancing right I've I ranked and prioritized the teams above my family the whole time I was in and not everyone does that some people are much better at balancing than I did and that's how they do 30 and 32 years and 34 years and 27 years they figure out how to balance that better than I did and so it sounds like you're even raising this question in Indicates to me that you probably have a decent chance of being able to be better at balancing than I do So there's that the other thing I would say is you say that the being an operator a full-time tactical team will most certainly pull me away from my family I would research that a little bit you know because sometimes

When you get to a little higher level you have more flexibility and you might might actually have Time to spend with your family might be a little bit different maybe you're on the call whereas normally you wouldn't be on call, but now all of a sudden you're on call, but while you're on call, you're at least, you know, you're, you might be doing, you might have more family time. I don't know. I can tell you that, you know, sometimes depending on the way you look at it, you know, if you look at the special operations community versus the conventional community. And it just depends on the units, depends on a lot of things. But sometimes, you know, the conventional forces go on a, you know, 16 month deployment to Iraq. And that's a long time. Some special operations units going on four-month appointments and they come home now they now they might do more of those over their career but again that's something you need to you need to find out the facts you need to talk to someone that's on that team and say hey listen here's what's going on i got two sons they wrestle and they do jiu jihitsu and i like to go to those tournaments what's our schedule like how is it going to be you know and then you kind of you can make a better assessment i wouldn't just assume

that the tactical team has a busier schedule i can could be wrong. I could be completely wrong. What you're probably the assumption you're making, which is a decent assumption, is that when you're part of a part of an elite tactical team, you're going to have to input more time. It's going to, it's going to mean more to you and you're going to be like, okay, I need to train more. I'm going to tell you should train more no matter what position you're in, right? You need to be training as much as you can. You need to be staying sharp. So I would do some research on that. And then I would also consider this. Men have been leaving their families so they could go and fight evil since the beginning of time

whether it was they were going out to fight the lions or whether they were going out to fight some or going to invade other countries or going to find treasure or whatever whatever they were doing people have been doing it even World War II guys left and there's no guarantee that they were coming home they left for two three four years those that's the way it works. Your boys are not going to be, their lives aren't going to be ruined if you're not there at every ballgame. And I'll tell you, there's actually, if you do that, your sons will learn the meaning of duty and sacrifice more than a normal kid would. So, so pay attention to that too. Again, all that being said, this is something that only you can make the call on because you're,

You can analyze the details of the situation and you know what if your wife works or your wife works or that wife doesn't work that makes a big deal If your wife works and you're gone all the time. That's a problem now who's raising your kids? You got to pay attention to that if you if you both work but you both work normal jobs now you're home you're don't you're you know you're you're there enough So just weigh these things out but I would I would get the details and then make a decision and you know what no matter what decision you make it's the right decision how's that that's pretty simple you're if you make a decision and you're going to go on the tactical team cool if you don't cool you're still doing federal law enforcement awesome keeping the keeping the monsters at bay yeah the thing that helped me a lot that you explained early on is to tell them why you're tell people why you're doing what you're doing you know the team and in this case the family or whatever and in this specific case probably your wife yeah so

If you're feeling that because I did it. I did the feeling of like, oh, I feel like I'm not being as loyal to my family because I'm like focusing on work kind of thing. So I'll get that from time to time, you know, especially if I'm like super focused and it's like,

dang, I didn't think about my kids or family all day today. You know, I'll have that little thing, whatever. I dig it. Yeah. I used to go like four months

without thinking about my family. I'm such a horrible. Well, it's a sliding scale. So, you know, but I do know that the more I communicate with my wife and be like,

hey, I have to go here. And this is what I'm going to, I'm going to really try to focus on this, you know, this week, you know. So, hey, can you. I'm trying to make a video this week. Sure. And, you know, I'm really busy.

Yeah, I'll be busy. So I might not be here for this and this. And, you know, like, I might miss this, you know, and just lay it all out. Yeah. And why you're doing it, you know, how you always say. And a lot of the times your loyalty will be demonstrating, demonstrated with that.

You know, like, it's like, hey, I'm doing my job. It's the time requirements are a little bit more or whatever. Like, I want you to know. Like, what can I, can we do anything? Can we adjust anything to make it better for everybody or whatever? You're 100% right.

And actually to take that one step further, including your wife into the decision making process where you're like, hey, listen, hon, this, if I do this job, it's going to be more, but hey,

it's going to be super rewarding to me. And sometimes that's enough. You know, you tell your wife, this is going to be super rewarding for me because I'm going to be able to go and kill bad guys, which is, or protect innocent people,

which is what I want to do. That's what I signed up for it. And I'm going to be able to do it in a more complete way. And there's a chance your wife says, you know what? I know that's what you're born to do. Go do it. Or she might say, listen, you've done that already. You know, let's focus on the family.

And you'd be cool. Those are both good decisions. Yeah. We're in a win-win situation here. Yeah. That's the bottom line, dude. Next question. Joccoe, I'm 19 in my first year at college.

Ever since I was 12, I've dreamed about being a Marine or seal. I plan on joining up after college. but I just got diagnosed with epilepsy. I only have seizures in my sleep, so I never noticed them. I always thought of serving in the military as a way that I would prove to myself that I was a man and that it would give my life a purpose. Now, I don't know what to do. I hate the idea of living some comfortable life where I have a cozy 9 to 5 job that I only do for the money.

I want something hard and meaningful. What should I do? There's an infinite number of options that you have. So you need to just pick one of those options, find a new career that you think looks cool and then go get after it. And you got to figure you don't want a 9 to 5 job cool. There's all kinds of jobs that aren't 9 to 5. You know, whether it's construction management or construction or gas oil or some kind of public safety. There's all kinds of things.

I don't know if you can be a firefighter. I don't know if you can be a cop. if you have epilepsy, I'm not sure, but there's all kinds of different jobs and careers. And there's jobs that are hard. And there's jobs that are incredibly meaningful to our economy here. And the more you help our economy here, the more you help us have a positive influence in the world. So go and figure out what job you want to do and go crush it and go, you know, build an empire and make a ton of money and then if you want to great then you can support some veterans causes and you can

give back that way so so that's cool there's there's it's always impressive to me we work with all kinds of different companies at a salon front it's always so impressive to me when I meet people from every possible industry that you can imagine and they're completely into their job they are so into their job They're fighting World War 9. Like, they're that into it. You know, they're running Intel. They're running operations.

They're driving down. Every dollar matters, everything that they're doing. They're so into it. And it's awesome. And this is everything. This is every different industry I see people like that. Now, not every person in every industry is like that. But if you find something that you're interested in and you jump in there.

And that's going to be your vocation, right? Now, there's another part to this that is kind of, I guess, like, in your head or whatever, and that's like some kind of hard living. That's not very difficult to come up with, right? Go start training jiu-jitsu. Go start training some boxing. Go start wrestling. Go do Muay Thai.

Go start shooting. Go start lifting and seeing how strong you can get and seen how powerful you can get. Go learn to hunt and learn to hike and learn to play guitar and learn just like. learn a bunch of stuff become a force to be reckoned with and you know the bottom line is being a seal or being a Marine does not prove that you are a man there are plenty of losers in both of those organizations and so don't you don't need some label to make you a man that's not what makes you a man be your own man go out and conquer your part of the world.

Next question. Two questions. I recently attended an assessment for retraining. Let's say one more thing. Sorry. When things like this happen, like when something happens to me, you want to hear my weird, superstitious view of the world? Sure.

It's sort of reminiscent of everything happens for a reason. You've heard that. Everyone's heard that for me something like this when something like this happens to me when something happens in my life that I didn't want to have happen or I didn't expect to happen I get an unpleasant surprise I look at it and assess it like okay this is this is happening so that something else this is trying to prevent something else from happening to me that I would have been really catastrophic I hurt my knee the other day doing jiu jiu-jitsu doing wrestling and And I, on my way, driving home, I'm like, you know what?

This is preventing me from wrecking my shoulder in two weeks. Or the next night I was probably going to wreck my shoulder, which is, which is, you know, a catastrophic injury on my shoulder. That's what was about to happen to me. And the powers that be knew the only way to get me off the map was to be. Yeah, yeah. Was to hurt my knee bad enough that it pulled me off the map for for a couple weeks. So boom, there you go. Here you go, Jocko.

You're welcome. Yeah. So something like this, this is an indicator, as far as I'm concerned, you have some bigger and better thing that you need to do. Some, hey, it wasn't this. Yeah. That's cool. Accept it, like, right on. Say thank you.

Because there's people that they, they, they, it's not epilepsy that they have. They have something that debilitates them from doing even things that you are capable of doing. So be stoked that this delivery came from wherever it comes from, whatever it is that you believe in, that this, this got, this happened because it's, it's putting you on the path. I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's putting you on the path. So who knows what you're supposed to do, but you're supposed to do something because you're not supposed to be a seal.

You're not supposed to be a Marine. If you were supposed to be, that would have happened. It didn't happen. That's not a bad thing. that means there's some other doors gonna open up big. So that's the way I always look at injuries like that. Yeah, that's the most positive way I can look at injuries is,

hey, I was going to, whatever. I was gonna rip apart triple threat on my knee in four days. So I just got a little ding to pull me off the mat so that doesn't happen. Yeah. Oh, I needed rest. Here's what you get. Boom.

you're going to get this. Yeah, I'll have those thoughts, too, sometimes. Like, it's kind of like, oh, I'm safe from injury because I'm already injured kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, there you go. It's a weird feeling. Yeah, but that is true. And, yeah, and kind of like a lot of times, too, and this is so good that that guy, this guy, is he knows already. I want to do something hard and meaningful, bro.

Man, did he say how old he was? 19. 19. Man, 19. I didn't have. Yeah. He's already on the path. Right.

He's totally on the path. and, you know, he's just discovering what doors he wants to, you know, what doors are open, what doors are closed, whatever, you know, and he's discovered, man, one house 19? Nah, I didn't have no direction. Did I ever have the thought of, hey, yeah, I want to do something hard and meaningful. Did I ever have that thought? Hmm. No, I did not have that thought ever. Check.

Maybe lifting weights or something like this, but yeah, man, that's good. So, yeah, I think he's a heavy game. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. There's no, there's no label that makes you a man. You do. Check. you're doing a good job so far, evidently.

All right, next question, two questions. I recently attended assessment for retraining into the combat control career field. I'm active duty for Air Force in a different career field. And rang the bell during water confidence training. How do I live with my decision and move forward? Yeah, and you see there's two questions that are basically the same question. So that was part A and this is part B. I do read.

D-O-R'd. D-O-R'd, okay. Drop on. request. Gotcha. I'm wearing the bell. Same thing. So I D-O-Red from Buds Class 303. I went on to be a S-A-R-Corsman.

Sarr-swimmer. S-Swimmer-Corman. So he was a rescue swimmer. Okay. But it's taken until recently to regain the desire to live and even strive to work out again. What can you do when you realize a life path you've chosen

was not only wrong, but you never feel like you found a new path. To me, this question, both these questions are kind of similar to the previous one, right? And like I can tell you, being a, being a seal or being a combat controller is not the be all end all. And the bottom line is it wasn't for you. It wasn't for you.

It wasn't even either one of you guys. It just wasn't for you. And the fact that matter is it's not for most people. It's not normal. There's an 80% attrition rate of butts. Most people quit. Good people. I was down there the other day.

And I was talking to one of my buddies that runs, runs it, runs the, he's a civilian, but he's one of the civilians that works there. But he was, we were talking about, you know, what it, about buds. And I forget what even led into it, but he pointed at the, you know, when you quit buds, you put your helmet by the bell. And so as more and more people quit, more and more helmets are lined up. And there'll be hundreds of helmets lined up. And he's like, you see those helmets right there? And I'm like, yeah, he goes, Every single one of those kids was a stud.

And when I went through, it wasn't quite like that. Because not everyone that was showing up at Buds in the 90s. Burk in the dude was a stud. They weren't because we didn't know what was happening. We didn't know, we didn't know how to do a pull-up workout. We couldn't look online and see a program on how to get better at rope climbs. We didn't know that you had to swim with fins. We didn't know.

I didn't know anything when I showed up to buds. So these kids now, they know everything. And so what do they do? They prepare all of them, at a minimum. I would say the minimum guy prepared now is probably prepared at least as good as the most prepared guy. Actually, that's probably inaccurate. I bet you the minimum, the least prepared guy entering buds right now is probably still, more prepared than the most prepared guy that went to buds when I went through.

Now, so my point in saying that is most of those people that are studs quit. Most of those people that join the Navy that sign on a dotted line and commit six years of their life because there's nothing more they want to do than be a seal and most of them don't make it through. So it's not for everyone. And then you know what you you one guy in the Air Force one guy in the Navy you did your job you did what you're supposed to do Corman whatever your normal career field was in the Air Force and you served your country And you did what the country needed you to do the country needs you to do whatever job you did the country needed you to do that job So thank you for your service and now you go and find something else you go and find a new mission And the same things here like you you want to get better

With your life. So what do you do? You work and you build and you study and you get an awesome physical condition and you train Jiu-Jitsu and you become a doctor or a firefighter or EMT or a cop and there's whichever way that you figure out that you can serve. You become a business person. You go and work construction. Whatever it is that you do do it. You do it hard and you don't get caught up in a title, right? So this is another thing. This kind of reflects back to what we were talking about earlier. Seals don't care that you weren't a seal You know like it's not like seals are walking around going oh This person wasn't a seal I don't respect them this person wasn't a seal I don't respect them We don't care it's a vocation. It's a job So you're not I don't look down on people that weren't seals It's just that was my job you had a different job, right? It's it's like it's like jiu jitzu. I don't look down on people that don't train jiu jiu jitsu

I look at him like, hey, you should because that's a choice. But let me rephrase that. I don't look down on people that I can beat in Jiu-Jitsu because I know for a fact, all it is is that I've been training longer than them. And once they train longer than me, they'll be able to beat me. That's the way it works. So people that were in the SEAL teams aren't looking down on you because you weren't. They don't care.

They're not thinking about it. So when I meet a cop, when I meet a firefighter, When I meet a business person, I respect what they're doing with their life if they're getting after it. I don't care what arena it's in. Man, I know some, I'm so lucky right now working at Ashlawn Front. We meet people that are just, just awesome humans that are crushing their field. And if they were in the SEAL teams, they'd be crushing that field. But they didn't.

They went to what they went and did what they did. They went in the finance world. They went in the construction world. They went in the gas oil business. Whatever they did, they did. And they're getting after it. So, That's what you need to do.

You quit in the past. You rang the bell. No one cares unless you quit now. So get up. Go find a new mission. And get after it, man. Get after it. Next question.

You've been unfairly wronged by a brother. Objectively. You aren't getting the full apology that you expected. The beef is over now. and he treats you well, but how do you psychologically reframe and kill that lingering resentment? Unfairly wronged by a brother. Interesting.

Brothers don't wrong. Brothers. We'll start with that. So this dude wasn't actually a bro, a brother. Might have been a bro, but he wasn't a brother. Make a little distinction there. Has that distinction ever been made before? I don't think on this platform.

Well, I'm making it. Cool. There's like, hey, this guy's my bro. It's all good. And then there's like this guy's my brother. My brother is not going to wrong me. My bro might. But my brother's not going to wrong me.

So that, so if it happens, some guy, like I said, if somebody that you consider your brother wrongs you, then that they clearly, you, you, you overestimated their commitment. So here's what's going to happen with me. Number one, it's noted. Noted. that's my that's my ultimate that's my ultimate satisfaction right when I know when it's when I note something yeah oh it's it's like oh this is the kind of person he is noted right now I got him now I got this person marked so trust is not going to be reestablished for a long long time

if ever right I'm not going to like this person clearly but here's the deal all that mistrust and all that dislike and all that is going to be internal I'm going to keep it inside because you know what I'm going to have those inside I'm going to harbor that I'm going to harbor those things even this resentment I'm going to harbor it because I can't I can't just make it go away you you wronged me it's going to be there yeah but you know what I'm a professional externally I'm a professional even if we're not in a business even if we're not in a business If it's just like, hey, I trained Jiu-Jitsu with this guy, right? I'm a professional.

So I'm not going to let his little maneuvers get me externally worked up about it. It's not happening. You don't control my emotions like that. You might control them inside, but I won't let you see that ever. So I'm a professional. I'm normal face. That's where I'm coming at you from. Just normal face.

Hey, all good. Oh, yeah. And you know what's interesting? This behavior, so when you screw me, over and then I just go okay check noted and then I don't give you a reason to like hate me and then you kind of owe me yeah you know what I mean you can't owe me so there's that and there's a there's a fine line like if you screw me over and then I just allow it to happen and it was a it was a a legitimate violation well then

there might be have to be repercussions right it sounds like this did not warrant repercussions because you know there's certain situations if somebody wrongs you in certain ways there has to be repercussions to me normally most of the time the repercussions and the best revenge that you can take is is to ignore and outperform and be successful and rock on and forget about them and forget they even existed that to me is the best possible way to go because why would you let somebody interfere why would you commit any time effort resources to Revenge when I would the better thing to do is commit those time resources energy to success to winning

Yeah, I'm gonna do that But if this merits some sort of repercussions okay then those get carried out And if those get carried out well then we're we're we're kind of settled But he says you didn't get the full apology you expected it's like okay I mean hey guess what people are arrogant yeah that's the way it is they don't think the guy didn't even think he did anything wrong most likely He's not even apologizing for it barely So that's what I do I'm just gonna keep it professional

I'm gonna be subconsciously indebted to me Whether you know it or not Yeah You probably know it you'll probably feel it Because I'm just gonna be like okay cool yeah We'll move on But man you know the thing is this sort of goes back To that other kind of topic today like this guy isn't going around

Thinking about you yeah So why are you thinking about him Let's move on, man. Let's move forward. Yeah, that seems like a big part of it, right? Like, that seems like he was, he says, you aren't, you aren't getting the full apology, you know? Like, remember on that Seinfeld, that apology one? Dude, I was talking to someone, I was talking to someone, like the apology.

I was talking to someone that we both know, who's, we'll say, a public figure. Sure. And this individual was reading YouTube comments. and getting legitimately, like emotionally distraught about the whole thing. Yeah. And was trying to talk to me about it. And like, I said, man, I literally do not care. I'm like, I do not care.

Like, this is no factor. You don't need to warn me. You don't need to tell me, you know, what I need to look out for. Like, I literally don't care. Yeah. I mean, if someone writes a. good YouTube comment good it's funny that's great if they write an a mean one cool I I think those are funny too yeah I'm not I'm not worried about it the person that

wrote the YouTube comment isn't thinking about me you know they're not trying they're not they're not reviewing it again yeah writing it again and and you know like they don't care I'm not getting all caught up in this stuff don't caught up in these petty things you know I did that we talked about this on the podcast of of of the black belt the black belt doesn't care about things that don't matter. You can grab the black belt's shoulder in his gie. And he doesn't care because he knows that doesn't mean anything. There's no, there's no, that's no factor. So you want to, that's what you want to do. You want to, you don't want to care about things that don't matter.

Don't invest your time and energy. Things that don't matter. The guy wronged you. Cool. Noted. You know that he's kind of, kind of a, uh, a devious dude. You know that. It's noted. Cool, move on. Yeah. I'm not worried about it. Am I going to put my trust in him again? Nope. But that's cool because I know other people to trust. Yeah. Let's not get wrapped around these little things, man. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, I'm above. I still wonder what kind of apology. I totally cut you off, so sorry about, yeah, yeah, no, it was a Seinfeld thing. It didn't matter the, the, but I agree, but, but, but, mm-hmm, I do wonder what kind of apology he got, you know, because he didn't get the

full apology. Yeah, partial. Yeah. So, well, partial apology, that can come in many forms. Yeah, it's probably the most common form of a partial apology has a butt on it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, 100% hey I'm sorry you know I'm sorry we didn't swing by and pick up the other night but I just didn't even know that you wanted to come yeah yeah yeah kind of like it was my fault I'm sorry but yeah it was partially your fault you kind of thing and then there's the other one that's like I'm sorry you felt that way you know you know that one where it's like hey I'm sorry you felt that that I was attacking you know but you know I didn't mean to kind of thing where it's kind of like hey you're because the person doesn't want an apology for necessarily

the actual words you said it was it was like what you did like you attacked me with whatever you said you know kind of thing so you can't just say hey i can't i'm sorry you felt that way that's pretty funny isn't i sorry i'm sorry that you felt that way yeah you know that is a pretty backhanded sort of yeah same thing but the with the but the one you say but i'm sorry but you know i didn't know that's kind of like i'm sorry but i'm not fully like yeah that's the same with extreme ownership yeah that's when people say you know look i'm in charge of the team and this was definitely i'm in charge of team when i'm in charge of team when i'm charged then then when things go wrong it's my fault but I'll tell you what

as soon as I hear that I'm always thinking about I'm sorry yeah yeah and my wife from time to time will there are no excuses yeah there's no if you think about it when you get somebody that actually believes in extreme ownership there is there are no butts on anything that they say and strangely I mean kind of I guess coincident not coincident ironically I don't know daughter will not allow you to make an excuse my nine-year-old daughter yeah she will call you out if you throw a butt or you say well I didn't know when we had to be there oh so you're not taking ownership yeah yeah totally makes sense and if you it's strangely like if you do it without the butt you know

when you do it just full speed even if in your head you believe but I mean let's face it man you had it come into you kind of thing just yeah just keep it because that's not what you're doing when you apologize that's that's separate from the apology you know you You know, it's like you're including this stuff, unwarranted stuff with your apology. Don't do that. Give a good apology and make it work. The worst thing is, the worst thing is, is it's so obvious and it makes everyone so mad. Oh, yeah.

The receiving end of that is so mad. And you think that it's, you think that it's improving your position. Yeah. Because you're expired. Look, A, Echo, I'm really sorry that you showed up to record and I wasn't there and I didn't let you know. But I didn't really, I didn't remember texting you or whatever. Like like like but you know you should have told me that you were heading that's what that's the way Yeah, but you should have told me that we were definitely recording because you didn't really get back to me

Yeah. Like why would I say that? Yeah. All of them doing is you know what's funny is people always tweet me when a sports coach They tweet me when a sports coach either takes ownership or doesn't overtly does not Overtly does because some got some sports coaches say hey look I'm the coach I made some bad calls out there We're going to get back in the drawing room. I'm going to get this thing fixed and everyone goes man this guy's awesome and it's just so funny Everyone says this guy is awesome. He's taking ownership.

Even people that aren't, even people will retweet something that they, people aren't saying he's taking extreme ownership. Someone will say, oh, it's good to see a coach taking full responsibility or whatever. They'll use their own word for it. And then some other knucklehead will,

we'll say, you know, I am the coach and I am responsible for the team, but if I got players that aren't going to put out during the first quarter, you know, I'm not the one on the field. Yeah. You got to carry out this. Totally embarrassing.

And everyone says, hey, you might want to learn how to take ownership. Yeah. And that's where people, so it's so obvious. And yet we still do it. We still throw out the butts. We still want to clarify our position. Yeah. Don't clarify your position.

Say sorry. Take ownership. That's it. My wife will watch these, what do you call it? The housewives one. Not the show, like the reality show ones. You know, the whatever housewives of wherever. And men.

Riddled. I think that's why she watches it just to see the train wreck. I think that's what I think is my suspicion. But man, yeah, they're all arguing with each other. And then, you know, they're crying. And then one will say they'll just, they'll say the perfect example of the non-apology, you know, every single time. Yeah. Man, it's like it hurts your heart to watch.

But you kind of like, you kind of dig it. I wonder if this, because this is what happened with this guy. I just figured it out right now. I really don't know. But this is what I think happened. Okay. We have a theoretical scenario. Yeah.

There was a, there was a girl guy relationship. There was a what? A girl guy relationship. Okay. You know, boyfriend, girlfriend's scenario. You know, maybe this guy got drunk. The bro, the brother, bro, whatever.

Got drunk. Maybe hit on the girl. Maybe something happened. Maybe something did it. Oh, and then it was like, hey, man, sorry about what I did with Christine last night. I was super hammered. Yes, but I was super hammered.

Yeah, exactly right. And that's a big one. That's a big butt in the apology, you know? But, you know, we all had, I remember one time someone did, I won't go into it, it doesn't matter, but it's a big one. It's a big deal or it's a big common one where it's wronged by a brother. No, it was my, like, parents' friend. Okay. It's a lady.

And she like, she was talking, she was talking shit about my mom to my dad. And I was there. They're hammered or whatever. Like some, you know, thing. And she's like, totally talking shit. I thought you weren't going to talk about this. But I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.

So I'm like whatever. I'm like a teen, I'm maybe 15, 16 years old. Maybe 30. I don't know, whatever. But, you know, a teenager, I wasn't like a three-year-old, you know. So I heard and I knew what she was talking about. It was rude. It was uncool.

It was unsat. As we say. And so I'm like, cool. I go home. I tell my mom straight up. So my mom's like, oh, well, okay, you know, tells my dad, blah, blah, blah. My dad tells the lady. And the lady, of course, is all like, oh, oh, no, you know, like I did this.

And, you know, so she comes to me. And she says, sorry, right? Like, sorry for this or, but we had, you know, we had a lot to drink or whatever and all this stuff. And I remember feeling that, like, how is, like, how does this make it better, you know, when you're like, but we had a, so I'm thinking. And I didn't know anything about drinking. I don't know what it made you sort of do. I didn't really know at that time. So to me, it was like, wait, so wait, when you drink, like, you can do that kind of stuff or what?

Like, what's the deal? And the apology just basically bounced off me, like bullets off a super. Superman or something. Yeah. No, Apolly. Don't put the butts on those things. Yes.

So that's what happened with this guy. That's what I think. It's possible. But it is his responsibility, like you said, to be like, hey, I can't hold on to this thing, you know?

Like, what do you say? How do you psychologically reframe it and kill that lingering resentment? Thing is, it's like a scar. You have to, he's like keeping it a wound. Yeah, he's picking at it. Yeah.

And you got to be like, that's just a scar. It's like sure our relationship is different now. It's a scar now. But, man, I got more important things to do it. think about or do whatever yeah if you can pull that that off you'd be good move on next question

hello and thank you sir i'm an inner city math teacher an ogy hardcore kid i successfully approached my students as a team that i am the leader of how do i discipline some of my key players and at the same time boost or at least not lower morale awesome well that's cool i would say this if you got kids in the classroom and you got key players in the classroom do what I always say to do to people put them in charge of stuff man put them in charge put these kids in charge of things in the class not just dumb stuff either not just clean up not just sweeping the floor but some legitimate stuff like hey I want you to come up with a lesson plan for tomorrow here's the book that we're looking at here's the pages I want you to talk about

dang I want you to leave the discussion that we're gonna have in class hey want you to go over how you've solved this math problems tomorrow you got you got some of the problems wrong on the test I want to teach them to you and I want you to teach the class because obviously I didn't do a good job maybe you can do a better job than me and you know what you you're you're kind of you kind of loud let's put that to use I know people listen to you here's another thing kid the kids look at you and they look up to you

Let's use that Let's try and get kids moving in the right direction So that's what I would do in a situation like this If someone's actually getting in trouble I wouldn't you don't do this You don't do what I'm talking about Because they're in trouble right That's a little bit you can't say you're in trouble

So you're gonna have to teach class tomorrow No no no that doesn't work You say hey You let that whatever they got punished for you use You know your punishment That could be something like taking out trash but you don't want to throw leadership at someone when they get in trouble. Occasionally you can't do it.

Occasionally you can be like, okay, you know what? You're in charge of the platoon for this week or for these four days of admin. And all of a sudden, yeah, you realize, oh, you got to come in at 5 o'clock in the morning. Oh, you got to stay until 1,800 at night. Oh, you got these reports too. Oh, yeah, it's like all these things that you didn't think about. That's what you got to do. And when you get off that restriction,

You get out of that role, you realize, hey, I have a little respect for the boss because I realize what the boss is going through. So that's what I would do. Have some fun with this. Put the kids in charge of stuff. Give them little assignments. Make them get up. Make them turn them into leaders. Turn them into leaders.

Check. What do you think one more? One more. What do you do when you fail and how do you handle it? What do you do when you fail? You know, recently we reviewed that U.S. Army Field Manual on here from like World War II era. And it says in that manual, it says other than death, all failure is psychological. Other than death, all failure is psychological.

Think about that. Just just think about that. this failure, this upset, this, this catastrophe. If you aren't dead, then it's just psychological. It's in your head. This does not mean that you won't lose some battles because you will, we all will. It does mean that as long as you don't surrender,

as long as you don't give up, as long as you don't quit, then you haven't failed. It just means you've made a temporary tactical retreat. It means you've made a brief withdrawal so that you can regroup and re-attack. So as far as I'm concerned, if you get beat, unless you're dead, you are not defeated. And you have not failed. What you've done is you've learned.

you've you've gained experience and you're still alive and you have memories to make so get up and I think that's all I've got for tonight so echo Charles yes speaking of getting after it sure getting after it can you help us in that category yes so we are on the path part of Part of that path, like we always say, is jujitsu. It's funny how, like, you'll say, like, when you suggest someone to, or your suggestion for someone to, like, move on or to, like, you know, get out of a rut or whatever, you always say jujitsu. Yes. And rightly so. Yes.

It'll, it's one of those things, men, where I, I'm not a psychologist. I know you know that. But I think that it'll cure various levels of depression. For real. Hey, I've taken a lot of flack over that. Yeah. I've taken a lot of flack over that. I think Joe Rogan.

Sure. When I was on his, you know, we were basically saying like, work out, you know, feel better. And everyone got all mad. Right. But the funny thing is, Tim Ferriss, who has actually gone through that kind of depression, will tell you the exact same thing. Yeah. So, yeah. Work out.

Workout and do jiu jit. Do jujitsu for sure. Yeah, it's crazy with, you know why I'd say jujitsu even more than just like a regular workout, whatever that even means, but is because you have a challenge that's a little bit more obviously like you against like an obvious challenge, you know, and you against the person. There's that. Okay. And then there's the physical part of it, of course, like the workout part of it, which is one of the best workouts.

Like if I wanted to like lose 30 pounds, right, for, I don't know, whatever. I want to lose 30 pounds, like bad pounds, right? So I, you know, and right now, as a right now, there's no way I would do like a weight loss workout. Yeah, yeah. I would just do regular weight lifting and I would just do more jiu-jitsu. Yeah. That's it, 100%. Like, why would you?

So I'm cruising with- Yeah, I mean, jihitsu is such a good workout. Yeah, why would- You work out muscles that you didn't know you had? Your whole body, too, by the way, whole body. Yeah. Even your jaw muscles. Yeah. Yeah.

True story. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everything. Especially you with the jaw muscles. because you're spending a lot of time on the corner of the bat talking. Strain or coincidentally, that's another part of it is what I was about to say. Social aspect.

For you. For everybody. Yeah, for you too. And have a little conversation. Oh, yeah. Post training. Yeah. Even like between rounds, whatever.

It's like you're doing it. And sure, you can do that at the gym kind of, but it's different. You know what? It's way different. People just want to talk before training. I protest that. You know how I protest it? I start the clock.

Start the clock I just go Beep Okay the five minute rounds are on You guys start rolling People enough of this chitty chatter Here's how prevalent The social element is

Jeez look at you No no no And you'll agree with it Because it happens with you too So you ever like shaking It's clock started Beep clock started You shake hands with a person

And then you just sneak in one question To the person like socially Not all the time Because like you know You remember like I'll do with Greg I'll do with you sometimes And you know I'll joke about that Oh like we'll talk about

Like Andy and I will joke about, yeah, yeah, like, beep, clock starts and it's like, how's work today, dude? Yeah, yeah. Because basically what it means is, neither one of us feels like training. Yeah, yeah. And so we'll just laugh and then we'll train. Right. Because we won't actually have a conversation.

Right. But see how you know that it's a thing? It is a thing. It's a thing so much that you make jokes about it. Yes, it is a thing. That's how social it is, you know? And man, you can have, I just got to tie my belt and adjust my ghee and put my knee pads back up.

And you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. There's another stalling tactics. Yeah. Not very social, but yeah, it's stalling for sure. But there's a lot of benefits to this thing that we call Jiu-Jitsu. The Jiu-Jitsu. Anyway, that was a side note.

Anyway, when you're doing Jiu-J-J-J-2, of course you need a ghee because you're doing ghee and no-gey, so when you get your ghee, what geese are we getting? We're getting the best geese or we're getting the junkest keys. We're getting the best geese. Correct. Oh, yeah, big time. Anyway, the best geese are origin geese. You get them at origin, maine.com.

OriginMinn.com. All kinds of stuff, all kinds of clothes, including jeans. Yes, mercantile. Which, you know what? Even, like not everyone does Jiu-Jit-T-T, not everyone does Gigi J-Jit-Too, but everyone does have genes. Now let me ask you the same question. You ask me, what kind of jeans are we getting? Best kind, not the junk.

It's not the junk. What did you say, junkist? Junkist, yeah. That's not even a word. Yes, it is. It is. Not the junkest kind. It is.

If something is junk, oh, you know what? It's junkiest. That's another one of those subtle differences in, in, in, Remember how I told you in Hawaii, they're like subtle differences in words. They're only small. They're pretty much the same, but they're subtle differences. That is one of them. Like junk is like...

That's a little pigeon. Yeah. There's a little pigeon. Because it would be junkiest. Right. Not junkist. Exactly right. So junk is the same as junkie.

Like it's the, like in the mainline you say junkie. Like it's more of a, what do you call it? Like a verb, uh, uh, uh, adjective. That, that, that hamburger is real junkie. Right. So junk on the mainline, it's a real junkie. On the mainland, the word junk is a noun. It's a junk.

It's a piece of junk. It's a pile of junk. It's a noun. In Hawaii, it's an adjective. Like, it's junk. Like, that's a way of describing it. That was a noun. No.

See, it sounded like a noun to you because you're from the mainland. If you say junk, that's why you can have words like, it's junker. It's way more junk. Way more junk. We don't want the junk, because there's such thing as junk, junker and junkist. in Hawaii. In here it's like, no, it's just junk. It's either junk or it's like not junk, you know, kind of thing. Because it's an out. See what I said? Like I said, these differences are subtle. You got to follow though. Yeah. I know because I thought of like if you went, if I said,

hey, what's that stuff on the side of your house over there? Echo, you'd be like, oh, that's just junk. Right. Right. That's a pile of junk. And I get what you mean by that. It's an old lawn chair. It's an old weed whacker that doesn't work anymore. Sure. Right. Yeah. There's a couple stuffed animals that no one wants anymore. That's junk. Yes. But what you're saying is, hey, how's that car that you just bought? Yeah. How is it? How is it? Is that thing?

Is it dope? And you're like, no. No, it's junk. It's junk. How was that movie last night? Kind of junk. Yeah. So in regards to jeans, you don't want the junk jeans.

Or in your case, the junkier, or junkiest jeans. Junkist is what you said. Correct. That's the whole, the Kauai version. Hawaii. Yes. That's how. Unless, yes, you want the best ones.

Get the. Origin genes and whatever other clothes and don't forget about supplements too Supplements joint warfare krill oil discipline discipline go Discipline go for when you need a little kick and and it's interesting you and I have both morphed to a situation Where discipline the drink is just the normal that's just part of the world That's just part of it. Yeah I am now drinking and this is the thing about discipline It doesn't have 480 grams of or 480 milligrams of caffeine. Yeah.

In fact, it has 15 grams per scoop. This is not the crazy stimulant. That's like, let's face it, Jiu-Jitsu, you don't want to be all amped up on caffeine going to Jiu-Gsou class at all. Negative. That's why discipline is so good, pre-roll. Yep. So that's what I've figured out now.

Because if you have iced tea, which I used to drink a lot of iced tea, drink jocco white tea right you just drink that stuff right like think of when you were a kid oh I have some iced tea that had caffeine in it right you weren't freaking out that has way more caffeine than discipline so what I'm saying is discipline is now just sort of a just a day long like an all day I must have had I must have had five bottles of discipline today dang okay yeah that's that's just all day because I'm sitting there drinking it you know I'm I'm working yeah I'm Writing, I'm editing, which, which, which, let's face it, but let's face it. Writing and editing sometimes is a real chore, a mental chore.

It's not fun. Yeah. So you got to get in the game. Yeah. That's why I've been drinking a lot of been disciplined lately. Because I've been drinking, a lot of mental thought. Yeah. So anyways.

You don't know the mega mix for Jiu-Jitsu is discipline. Mm-hmm. Okay. Water. Mm-hmm. You can actually add like a little, like a, maybe like a third. cup, whatever, the third of your mix total of like a cranberry juice or like you can squeeze lemon juice in there or something.

Okay. Water, lemon juice. Discipline and on it has these like minerals and electrolytes mix. One scoop of that. Boom. That's the Jiu-Jitsu mega mix. There you go. It'll bring you through. Go two scoops of discipline.

Three if you want to get nuts. You got to add more water, you know, and then you got that situation going or whatever. There's been times where I've made discipline shots. Oh, okay. Like I know. Like, hey, okay, you know what? I'm heading to jujitsu. I'm going to be there in three minutes.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm just going to mix up a little shot. It's got three scoops and it's like a shot. Yeah. So I've done that before. But that's also why I made discipline go. Yeah. Because discipline glow is for those situations where you don't want to drink a bunch,

but you just want that hitter. Yeah. But the go, the pill, that takes longer, though, right? Because it's not instant. Yeah. The instant. That's where I take that one like, I don't know, half an hour, 40 minutes prior to event situation. Yeah.

Evolution. It's like, you know, the evolution. Mine, I feel like is, or it is straight up, it's like a routine. You know how like you sort of have a routine, I guess. You know, some people do. I got some routines. Yeah. And when you.

Yeah, the protocol comes into play like this. You go, boom. Okay, I got jujitsu at X time, right? I leave the house at X time. minus whatever. I drink the mega mix X time minus whatever minus, you know, another 10 minutes. So it's like the amount of time it takes to mix it up. Why don't you just tell everyone when to drink it if they're going to roll or do something active?

Oh, the thing is I don't know. You say it's 40 minutes? You say half an hour? 40 minutes, half an hour. I'm saying 40 minutes and half an hour. I'll drink mine as I leave the house. So I'll have my cup. And what's that's how long it's take to get here?

Between 15 and 20 minutes. Okay. But you don't need it to kick in right when you get here because you're. be chat with people for the first half hour. Correct. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's one of those things.

It's not like there's this little teeny tiny window of it working. But once it's in the system, but you're rolling. You're rolling. You know. Oh, yeah. You don't even really like feel it like wear off or nothing, like a coffee crash or nothing like that. So I don't know.

I just do it that way. That's been. And it's worth like, man, I won't not do it that way. Yeah. I'm in that zone right now. Also, don't forget about milk, which is if you need extra protein, which you do, you can get it from milk. Or if you just want a straight up dessert,

you can just have dessert. And if you don't think the strawberry milk tastes like dessert, you're wrong. The strawberry milk is dessert, get some. And some of the other ones. I've just had so much of them. I'm just really stoked on a strawberry right now, mint. You know what it was?

Is your go-to peanut butter or is it mint? Mint, but all interchange for a variety, whatever. That strawberry one came in. Thanks, Brian, for that, by the way. So it's like, okay. You know, strawberry slayer. there's a lot of hype. It's strawberry.

Cool. I'm not the hugest, like, I like the strawberry. I like it. Yeah. But when there's chocolate, like, why would you do strawberry, you know,

if you have chocolate or whatever? So I'm like, but whatever, let's do it. The strawberry is, so mix it up, boom, the same deal.

I didn't want to, like, add extra stuff in there. I just wanted the raw deal. So I had regular milk and strawberry, moch. Yeah. See what the hype's all about.

Surprisingly. surprisingly, surprisingly good. Meaning, and I don't, you know, that's a general term, surprisingly good or whatever. To me, the strawberry milk tastes closer to an actual strawberry milkshake. The only difference that I could detect is that it's not as like overtly sweet as like one from like a, you know, like you get a strawberry milkshake from a place, you know, it just wasn't as sweet as that. That's it.

Put another half a scoop in there and you'll be in the zone. That's what I thought. Yeah. And that's what I figured. Telling you what. So I implemented the real litmus test. Right. So I, what do you call?

Unless the kids, I'd have them sit down. I was like, all right, here this is strawberry milk. Have some. Just a little thing. So here's how you do it. You don't say, is it good, is it not good? Because if they're not into the tent. You don't even ask that.

You just wait. So because if you ask, hey, is it good or not good? If they're old enough, they'll tell you what you want to hear. They'll be like, yeah, good. Then they'll go play. Or they won't be into the test at all, which typically. they're not and they'll just be like no it's junk therefore you know in their mind he won't give me anymore or whatever you know you just don't get an accurate action action uh an accurate

reading so what you do is here you can have some of this that's it so they tasted both of them wanted more both of them that's a miracle yeah that's what it is really good stuff uh so and also don't forget you got warn your kid milk that comes in strawberry and chocolate as well and it's it's it's like legitimately good for your children so get it for them also jocko white tea yes jocko has some tea it's called jaco white tea yeah and it just is like drinking goodness that's what it is like drinking victory drinking like tastes like victory and it's just goodness got antioxidants get you a little gets you a little kicker certified organic too by the way yeah yeah so that's that you know really cool or jane dot com forgot to say that yes also jaco has

his own store, Jocco store. So you go to jocco store.com. This is where you can get your Discipline equals freedom shirts, hoodies, lightweight, and heavyweight hats. You know,

heavyweight hats? No, you know, no heavyweight hats. You know, but you do have those trucker hats with the, what do you call it, snap back or flex fits.

So some options there. Anyway, any way you want to represent the path, you can get something there. Rash guards as well, Jiu-Jitsu or whatever you're doing, boom.

You can get a shirt that says good on it that does not have my head on it, which is a positive thing, moving in a different direction, more subtle direction. I don't necessarily agree because I think that the one with your head on it is like... That's not very subtle, bro. No, it's not subtle at all. But it does like, no, they both have their benefits because look, when I wear the good one, just good, just good, like the people who do say something, they're just kind of like, oh yeah, good, they'll just say it, you know? But the one with your head, they'll either ask, oh, who's that on your shirt?

Like, who is that? Usually it's like, I don't know, you know, Winston Churchill or, I don't know. You wear a public figure on there. So they're wondering who is that and why that don't say, you know. We've got to do that now. It's the first thing they came to mind. I've never seen a Winston Churchill t-shirt, but I'm glad that we got that going. All right.

Nonetheless, or they'll know who you are and they know that that's what you say, and they'll be like, you know, what do you call it, the book that when they know, and you know. Bonafides. Yes, exactly right. So I dig both 100%. But nonetheless, a lot of cool stuff on there. If you like something, get something, as they say. Also, subscribe to the podcast.

If you haven't already on iTunes and Stitcher and wherever you listen to podcasts, because a lot of places, they're trying to kind of change the landscape of podcasts listening to, by the way. Oh, yeah, yeah. They want to charge money or something. Put it behind the firewall. I think it's paywall Paywall maybe the firewall too The firewall, the paywall

Anyways, we're free We're free But nonetheless Hey, it is what it is No, you have to pay You know what you have to pay You have to listen to this part of the podcast Which you don't actually even have to do

Optional It's like one of those little trays Don't forget about the Warrior Kid podcast Which is also not behind a paywall It's free for your children If your kids want to learn how to be on the path If your kids want to learn about discipline If your kids want to learn how to handle

Bullying and trouble in school And trouble study if they want to learn to handle all that stuff in life and if you want to get a little hint too because you know you need it And get some of that warrior kid podcast Yeah, that's a good one also Irish Oaks ranch.com. This is where you can get where a kid's soap Yeah, which is not for kids. Yeah, it's actually Jocko soap made by a warrior kid. So it is where you kid's soap called Jocko soap. There's another edition called Trooper So or is it the trooper bar? Trooper soap, I think. Yeah, nonetheless, it's good.

Yeah. Yeah, this is good, so also, yes, it'll help you stay clean. It'll make you stay clean. Mm-hmm. Straight up in a hardcore kind of way. Also, YouTube. If you're interested in the video version of this podcast, of Jocko telling us, helping us, advising us, do you advise?

I'm just over here saying my point of view, I guess, more than anything else. Yeah. And then Echo makes video. that he's super proud of and he's all hype about and he thinks they're super cool so you can check those out too. Yeah, sure. Yeah, there you go. Nonetheless, yes, YouTube, Jocko podcast, YouTube channel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do have one. Yeah, we do have our own YouTube channel. Yes. You can sign up for little announcements. Sure. That come out. Notifications. I have that.

So whenever you post a video, I get a notification. Yeah. And I go, oh, cool, echo post a video. And I watch it. Yeah. And then I go down and read the comments. And then someone says, Echoes looking jerked.

Yep. So there's that. Best comment in the world. Yeah. And then psychological warfare, you can get that. If you need a little assistance during a challenging moment of weakness,

if you press play on your phone, you can play a little track that will get you through that moment of weakness. It's on iTunes, Google Play, MP3 platforms of all kinds. And if you want a visual representation to help keep you, on the path. Check out flipsidecanvas.com where my brother, Dakota Meyer, is making art.

And he's putting on it. Art with layers. That's what it is. There you go. You just, you just coined it. He's made the motto. Art with layers. We're going to put some more of your kids stuff up there for your kids' rooms. We're going to put some warrior kid things up there. So be checking that out. And if you have anything that you want to have, On a canvas, let Dakota Meyer know. Let him hit him up on Twitter. Tell him what's going on. Tell him what you think.

He can make it happen. So there's that. Also, on it.com. So this is where you can get your kettlebells when we are varying up our workouts. Need more kettlebells. You need more functional fitness type stuff. That's where you get it.

Also, like I mentioned before, the mineral slash electrolyte mix for the pre-Jiu-Jitsu. actually pre-workout too. Mega mix. This is where you get it on it.com slash jaco. What if you, I mean, you don't,

you know what a pre-workout is? It's called a pre-workout. Yeah. It's like it has like, vasodilators and caffeine and stuff in it. It's mainly for like lifting or whatever. Yeah. You can mix that.

If you work out, don't do met cons on this, but if you're just lifting for like, hyporrophy or whatever. And you like pre-workouts, you mix that in the mega mix. So you go pre-workout, Discipline two scoops one scoop electrolytes from on it

Lemon juice water mix that report back. Oh, that's the mega mix right there for lifting for jih Tzu Measure your biceps report back yes. Yeah your pump will be out of this world But before jiu jitsu don't do the pre-workout don't do the caffeine before jitzy that's my thing Anyway on it dot com slash jocco is where you get it got some books got some books coming out I got one book coming out called or way the warrior kid three where there's a I think when this podcast out we might even be live or close to it yeah so way the warrior kid three order it immediately I just got the numbers prior to walking in here it's already selling like pretty awesome so appreciate everyone pre-ordering it but if you want it order it now so I can print enough for you because the publishing company is

jocco publishing also we got way the warrior kid one We got Way the Warrior Kid two, subtitle, Mark's Mission. Way the Warrior, One subtitle is from Wimpy to Warrior, the Navy Seal Way. Teach your kid to be on the path. If you got a little bit younger kid, get Mikey and the Dragons. Mike and the Dragons will frame your child's mind to be able to overcome fear for the rest of their lives. Just a nice little thing to give them. For the rest of your life, you don't have to be afraid of anything.

There you go. There you go, child. You're welcome. Discipline equals freedom. Field Manual. That's how to get after it. The audio of that is on iTunes, Amazon, Music, Google Play, another MP3. Extreme Ownership and Dichotomy Leadership, both those books I wrote with my brother,

Laif Babin, and we take the experiences we had in combat overseas, the leadership lessons we learned, and we passed them on to all of you. Also, we have Exchon Front, which is our leadership consultancy. and what we do is we solve problems through leadership. And if you want to have us come and work with your company, then go to Eschalonfront.com. If you want to come to a live experience, you can come to the muster.

May 23rd and 24th in Chicago, sold out. You won't be coming to that one. September 19th and 20th in Denver, not sold out yet, but it will. And December 4th and 5th in Sydney, Australia. Go to Extreme Ownership.com. All of them have sold out. All of them will sell out.

So get in the game early. EF Online. This is our, if you can't make it to the muster, but you want to get granular with your leadership capabilities, then go to EFonline.com and we will take you through leadership courses that will pragmatically improve your leadership skills. There's interactive decisions you have to make in those courses. So check it out EFonline.com.

And then EF Overwatch, if you're a business person and you are looking for leaders, which is what you need in your company. You need leadership. If you want leadership in your company, we have special operations and combat aviation veterans. And we are getting them placed into your company. So go to EF. Overwatch if you are looking for leaders in your company. And if you want to cruise hard more with us on the interwebs, Twitter, Instagram, and on Facebook, of course, I'm at Echo Charles,

and Jocko is at Jocco Willink. What are the three platforms? Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. What's that last one? Okay, thank you. Thank you. I wasn't quite sure what you said. And thanks to everyone out there that wears the cloth of our nation, a military uniform.

Thank you for your sacrifice. And thanks to your families as well who also sacrifice to keep the nation safe. And thanks to police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, all first responders for what you do every day. and thanks to your families as well for supporting you so that you all can support us. And everyone else out there, remember that life goes by like a summer day. And you don't have time to get hung up on failures. You don't have time to dwell in the past and you can't preserve the memories perfectly. So make sure you get out there every day and you make sure you get out there every day and you

make new memories by moving forward and getting after it and until next time this is echo and jocco out