Jocko Podcast - 355: Jeff Glover and Pete The Greek Letsos. Keep Training, Keep Learning, Keep Living.

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

Jeff Glover and Pete The Greek Letsos talk Jiu Jitsu and Life.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 355 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So it was about 2009 or 2010, I think. And I'm in San Diego. And that year in San Diego, whatever year this was, the ADCC trials were in San Diego. So this is the championship of jiu-jitsu, of submission grappling. and you have to do, you have to get qualified to go there

and they have a bunch of competitions all over the world and the North American qualifier happen to be in San Diego. So I went, of course, and I brought my son with me. So I got my son with me and he's like seven or eight years old, but you know he trains all the time so he knows what's up. And they announce, you know, who's next up in this one mat. And they go, oh, next up is going to. to be some guy blah blah some guy versus Jeff Glover and I was like I told my son I looked at

him I go hey I go this guy we're going about that mat to watch this guy Jeff Glover I said he's crazy and so we run over to that mat we start watching and sure enough this guy Jeff Glover and I knew Jeff Glover because I we started competing in Jiu-Jitsu around the same time as a matter of fact I have a I have a Sheet of paper that has the champions of like a Grappling games or one of these old school Joe Morier or one of these old school jiu jitzu tournaments and The first place winner of the white belts is Jeff Glover the first place winner of the blue belts I or sec is me and then Dean Lister's like the purple belt or something along those lines, but it's pretty cool, right? So anyways Jeff Glover comes out and what does he do? He like

Does donkey guard which means he basically turns his back on his opponent, goes on all fours, runs at the dude backwards, and engages him and then 14 seconds later he's got the guy, and he'll hook and the guy taps. And my son, who again, he's like seven or eight years old, he looks at me and he goes, when you said he was crazy, I thought you meant crazy. I didn't know you meant crazy. So that was it. That was, uh, That was kind of a moment that I really remember about Jeff Glover. And then luckily for me, and luckily for everyone in San Diego, Jeff Glover came down and actually taught jujitsu at Victory MMA for five years.

For five years, we had Jeff Glover here teaching. Jeff Glover, he ended up, you know, he's done all kinds of stuff. He was the Pan Am champ 2005, the Pan Am champ 2006, 2007, Nogi World Champion. 2008, no-gee, silver medalist. 27-time champion of Grappler's Quest. Maybe it's more. It's, but a lot. 27 times champion of Grappler's Quest.

And we are super stoked to have Jeff Glover here on the podcast to talk to us tonight. Jeff, what's happening? Thank you, Jago. That was nice. Also with him is Pete Letzos, which who you probably don't know. You probably don't know who Pete Letzos is, but that's okay. You might know who Pete the Greek is. Pete the Greek, another jiu-jitsu legend.

1999 and 2000, Pan Am, third place as a blue belt. 2001, Gracie Invitational Champion. 2002, South Paulo State Champion. 2003 Pan Am champion, Purple Belt. Got his black belt in 2006 under the Carlson Gris. Gracie side of the family. And you know what that means? Carlson Gracie Jr., 2006, Pete the Greek, opened his academy up in Chicago.

He's famous in the jiu-jitsu world, featured in the book The Gracie Way. He's, without a doubt, the best wrist locker in the world, making sure that the world is not ignoring that 5% of the body. Pete the Greek. Thanks for coming down, man. Hey, thank you, sir. Thanks, I go. Thanks, Jeff. So here we are. Two Jiu-Jitsu legends in the house. Nice for me. You know, I love Jiu-Jitsu. I love Jiu-Jitsu. And so it's nice for me to come in here and just be able to talk about J-J-J-J-2. But let's talk about you guys and how you guys got started in the game.

Jeff, so tell us a little bit like, where'd you grow up? What'd your parents? What'd your parents do? My mom was a nurse and my dad had all kinds of different jobs and they ended up in Santa Barbara. which is where I found Jiu-Situ. Like 16, I started. You were 16 when you started. And everyone thought I was like 12. Yeah, because you still look like you're 16 now. Very beautiful face.

Thank you. What, how'd you get to the gym? What happened? Well, Frangia actually moved next door to my mom's house. Him and his whole Brazilian family. There was like 12 of them. They all moved into a house together. Like next door, neighbors?

Yeah, like right there. there the same block that Bill Cooper lived on and uh bill wasn't even in the scene yet but he lived in that neighborhood and was one of the kids but yeah friends you so then what he came over and was like you needed to learn how to fight boy I went over there to make friends you know knocked on their door that's kind of how it was in that neighborhood you know like it was a nice spot it was a nice place to live and uh yeah I knocked on the door he opened the door and like he He had a TV playing UFC in the background. What year is this?

I mean, this was like 1998. Okay. Yeah, 1998 or nine. And, yeah, it was just super crazy. Like, he had, you know, the cauliflower, the shaved head. It's intimidating. You know, you remember the first time you saw a really good grappler and the way the way their head just kind of looks different, you know, in the ears.

You know, like, how did that happen? So did he say, like, I teach jujitsu? You're like, what is that karate? Like I don't want to do karate that looks you know I mean I didn't understand a word he said for the first six months All I know is he was just very persuasive and was pulling and pushing me places and I found myself on a mat with people trying to choke me And it was awesome and then how long was it before you were like in the academy taking classes Like the first week that first week after that first week I like told him I was like dude I want to do what you do How long did it did you realize the power of jihitsu immediately?

Were you just like, why is this happening? It didn't really, it didn't like dawn on me. None of that, none of that profound stuff was dawning on me. It was just so cool to have this like mentor guy telling me what to do that was like telling me to do. That was like telling me to do pushups and yelling at me like, you know, he would kick me if I didn't do the calisthenics work he wanted me to do. You know, like I'd never had that in my life. And I was like, I didn't care what it was doing. If that, if that dude was jumping off bridges, I would have jumped off bridges.

But that dude did jujitsu tournaments on the weekend and pushups during the week. So that's, you know, it was just really nice, yeah. Did he open that academy immediately? This is, by the way, if anybody wants to know, this is Paragon Jiu-Jitsu. This is Ricardo Frangia Miller, like epic instructor. And, you know, obviously he has Jeff Glover under him, has Bill Cooper under him, has the other Glover under him. Tyrone Glover. So he's made a bunch of just incredible Jiu-Jitsu people.

He's still up there at Paragon. Yeah, he has a big empire that he runs and operates out of Ventura and all over. My middle daughter is now part of the Paragon Empire because she goes to slow. Chris Levato. He was one of the first guys that came into Franjia's Jiu-Jitsu world with like really good wrestling. And I used to fight Chris Levato. So when I was like 17, 16, 17, 18, I would, that was like one of the first, like, men, friend G would let me, like, fight.

You know what I'm saying? And I got some good work out of that, dude. Is that where you started developing good wrestling? Yeah, him and Tyrone, you know, Tyrone came in was like, all right, all these Brazilian names, all these judo names that you have for these takedons, there's wrestling names for those two, you know, like a double leg son. That's not called Biana, right? Isn't that what they called it?

That's not called Bionna. That's called double leg, you know? And he's like and you change levels when you do it too. You don't just like bend over and grab it like there's, you know. Yeah. And yeah, that was it. I started wrestling early, early, early. Yeah.

Yeah, your wrestling is like underrated, right? Because people, you're so fluid on the mat that people might not recognize that. And your freaking creativity on the mat is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And we'll get into like where that came from. But before Pete. Yes, sir. How did it go down?

Well, first of all. You're from Shytown, right? Yes. So tell us a little bit about that. What's going on? Where are you from? My dad owned hot dog places. My dad was the first one to have a euros in Chicago, so we'd put it on the spit.

And we basically would flip restaurants. We'd flip hot dog places. Well, they're not a little standards. It was a little, like, across the street at the malt shop. So it's basically like those type of place, a little bit smaller. Yep. And so my dad would, we'd go and find a place. You know, we're Greek.

We'd find someone struggling that could. They'd open them, not know how to do it, and we'd just take it over and flip it. You could either flip it in a few months, maybe a few years, but one that we kept was called Kings and Queens, and that was in Berwyn, which is right next to Chicago. It's right on the border, and there was a karate place next to it. So my dad, my dad's tough. He's from Greece. His parents left him at 13 years old.

He took care of himself since 13. They brought him to the United States at World War II. He was born in that. in that time, so he's like, born in 1942. They brought him over, and his dad's like, you know what, I'm out, and he left and he left him. And so then he made it to Chicago, and he's a tough guy, so he always wanted, like, but he work hard, so he never really worked out. He's like, I never worked out.

He just worked. And the karate plays next to the place, and my dad got his black belt, and he would just do private lessons with, like, the master and all that. And so my dad would train me when I was born. He had me at 40 years old. he'd be on his knees and fight me all the time and make me tough. And I don't know where he learned that, but it was like war training. So I started doing that.

And then I went to the karate place, but I didn't like it. I would just show up for the belt promotion. I was like, oh, these kids are getting promoted, I'll fight them. And then they'd get promoted, but they have to fight me. And the guy's like, look, man, you can't come back. You know, you have to come to class. And I was good at floor. hockey and baseball and stuff.

And I found out that my cousin was like the best ice hockey player. His name's Chris Chelyos. He's one of the best ones. He's in the NHL. He lived in San Diego. And one of the kids was getting bullied so that dad's like, no, no, we're going to teach you. And so they brought me on the ice hockey team, and I beat up the bully day one.

I was never that big, but I was ready to fight people for my friends. And so bam. He's still ready to fight people from his friends. No, but it's not like, Glover likes me. I really don't have to fight anyone, but it's just, it's fun. It keeps you strong, and so next thing, what happened next? So where did you do some? They brought me to ice hockey.

So then ice hockey was cool, but I never really wanted to play ice hockey. They just want me there to beat up the bullies. So then bam, I saw UFC. It was like 1993 at my mom. I live with my mom, growing up, my dad, went back to Greece, and I'm like, I want to do that. I looked at my mom. I said, that's what I want to do. And she looked at me, he's like, that's what you should do.

That's the only mom in history. I was like, this is perfect. So we just watch it. And we moved around, so I went to a few high schools. The last high school I went to, because we was called Montini, and they were really strong wrestling programs. So you see, like, John Jones' wrestling coaches from there. They have, like, Izzy wrestling. All these kids are top-notch wrestlers.

And so I would go to a wrestling room and fight them pretty much. I was like 14, 15. And I was able to do well against all of them, but I would never wrestle because it was ice hockey season. So then finally, one of the Gracies moved in town, and I couldn't drive yet. So then my mom's like, yeah, my mom had a heart attack. He still can't drive.

My mom had a heart attack at 14. So I just took the car, went to the Gracies, and I met Carlson Gracie Jr. I'm like, whoa, I'm like, this guy is like, he's one of them. And then he didn't like to drive. So I became his personal driver. And then when I would drive him, people want to kick my butt because I show up with the coach.

I'm always with them. And then that's when I met Carlson. Carlson would bring V-Tor and everyone. I was so happy. I didn't even know there were jit-suit tournaments. I just thought there was pride fighting and UFC. And then should I join? I became one of them.

I came their driver. Just drove them everywhere. And then eventually... Eventually you went to Brazil, right? How far along was that? So then there's a tournament going on. I lived in Ohio. So Carlson Gracie Jr., he was my best friend.

He lived with me and my mom in Chicago. He lived alone, but you can't move from Rio de Janeiro to Chicago. It gets depressing. So I'm knocking on his door because my job was to pick him up and take him to class. Like people still have that. Like a lot of jitsu coaches, they love to have their students come, pick them up, hang out, and take him to class. So I'm knocking on the door and he's not an answer.

I kicked the door down. I'm like, look, come live with me and my mom. And then he lived with me, and I started getting really serious about jih Tzu. I was about 16 at that point. What year was that? Around 96, somewhere around there, 96, 97. So now you're training freaking hard. Hard.

So I'm his driver. I show up to every single class. It's Carlson Gracie team. So we always have people from Brazil. Carlson Gracie always come visit us because O'Hare, airport's international. So before things were different, they could stop. I think they can still do that.

But whenever they would go to Brazil, wherever, they'd always bring their team and stop in Chicago and visit his son and how to fight them. I didn't even know there were tournaments existed. I'm like, whoa, these guys make a lot of money. No one on my team was broke. You just seen Vitor come and eating metrics packages. He didn't even eat food.

I was like, Mom, I want to be like this guy. My dad looked at him. He's like, oh, my dad didn't understand. much because I didn't live with him but my mom understood that's what I wanted to do and so 110% behind me and I never really had to pay for training because when you train like the way Jeff and I do I first we start off cleaning them first we start off usually is like training dummies we help with privates we help with everything so you know God bless all that and I start training shoot I end up in Brazil next thing you know I tell I'm at the tournament in oh

Ohio. So it's my first day of a purple belt. I should go as a blue belt and Carlson Rays Jr. says, look, you're going as a purple belt around. I'm like, oh yeah. I show up there and I smash everyone. I do a couple over-under moves and like I smash a lot of pressure. I beat everyone and then a guy comes out of the crowd. His name Henry Metamoros, he's back in the day he fought Raphael Cudorio and the old Vallitudo things and he comes out. And he's like, I want to go against you because I beat a Pedro Sauer guy. He's from Pedro Sauer. And then bam, bam.

This is how I used to be, homie? And then I beat him, boom. And then on the whole. How many hours a day were you training? No, all day. I would just pick them up. I was just there. Jeff.

It's a lifer. Jeff, how many hours a day were you training once you started training? There's no hours. Not as much as Pete. Yeah, right. No way. He came after. Jeff came after because I met on the mat people in Brazil.

and Scotty and them. And then so I had to train that hard because I wasn't accepted. My team destroyed it fell apart. And so then I met Scotty and Scotty had all the information. He had the digital cameras. Okay, so hold on. You got Carlson Gracie team because a bunch of people left to make Brazilian top team, right? So I'm in this tournament in Ohio and the coaches, the referees, Christiano Marcello.

He had, he's like the guy from Gracieu Maita, and he goes, and he was coaching shoebox, and he tells the Carl Sr. Jr., this guy, if he moves to Brazil, no one would be able to beat him. They said that about you. Yeah, he was the ref when I won that. And so then, bam, I say to, I say to junior, I said, I need to go to Brazil, dude. And he's like, sure, he's like, perfect. He calls his mom, and I show up there in my backpack. What did you tell your mom?

I said, I'm going, my mom was happy. How old are you? I'm about 20. Okay. My mom was happy. And what year is this? It's around 2000. Jack.

Okay. I go up to show up there and I'm in junior. Junior's like my brother, Carlson Grazie Jr. He lived with me and stuff. We're like close, like real close. Like me and Jeff. The mom never met me. She just gave me, I said, beach.

Because my name in Portuguese is like a dog. Like pit bull peat. Beach. She gives me a hug. I give her a hug. We didn't know any. I couldn't understand anything. I knew some swear words.

but um so I show up she works at the gym Carlson's wife work at the gym 45 this is jiu jitzu crazy so I walk over it they take me everywhere this is peach you know don't mess of them and we meet all the bikers they have all types of you know mutual friends that they know I say don't you know this is Pete and shoot I was like it was great and and then yeah but I showed up to the gym and like the third day they asked me to teach class because the team fell apart and I was like whoa like I didn't come here for this so then I tell Carlson

I'm like look I want to train hard because they only had a few guys left most of the guys that stay left some are like the loyal guys but some are the guys that no one wanted it's like they didn't go with them because no one wanted them so I was like whoa

I'm like I can't stay here so did you feel like it was like a political scenario it was like a war it was like show up to a war after your team just got massacred and they're just like they're like whoa so you what was it that made you not want there there was a few left like that was it that all the good guys left they all left they all left there was like two or three of us left one of them was so tough he was a biker a biker a biker guy I think he was like in a hell's a danger or something he um yeah for sure he was he went

back to brazilian top team to beat all them up and take them back he was he was hectic and he was doing a great job of doing that way he got in trouble and I don't know what happened to him but he was actually doing it had one guy at the end willing to go there and beat them all up and take them back and he was doing a good job of that but didn't work out things like that dude out of context that whole the whole idea of like one guy going to another place beating people up and taking the back I didn't know that hell yeah because Carlson best trouble named Street rules, son. His name is Pocatee.

Well, actually, I went through with Scotty. Scotty's like the American guy over there that films everything. Everyone loves him. But Scotty always has money around. So I show up to the Brazilian top team at Scotty one day. And it was like an enemy territory. I was like, whoa. I'm like, I saw all these guys.

It was in the Bank of Brazil. Liborio was also worked for Bank of Brazil. So he hooked them up with, they had a country club where they trained. It was badass. I walked in there. I was like, whoa. There was like 80, 100 people. You seem like, I was like, whoa.

And then the guy Navaliyata, he was the guy with the tattoos, my best friend there. Well, because he was the last one left. He comes up, and right away, I'm in there. He stops the whole train. Because these guys are trying to sell the stuff. I'm with a bunch of American dudes, and the little guys, like, from top teams, like, oh, buy this, buy that.

I'm like, what? I'm not buying no top team, nothing. And then now they ask you to me, Pete's here. He's the only brother in the room that'll fight with me against all you guys. Soon everyone will come back to the Carlson Racing team. He got hectic in there.

I was like, yeah. And then he's like, don't worry, Pete. I'm like, all right. And we just stood there. And that was when I went to the top team. And then it was never the same after that. I could never join them. So I went to all the other schools.

Carlson said, look, I know you went there. He said, you can't go there again. You can go anywhere else. So then I went to every other team. I showed up Gracie Bahes, trained. I lived in Oswaldo Owls. I trained at TED today. I went to every other gym.

Normally liked me, but they respected Carlson. Like, you hear, like, Gringo. I was like, you go. I'm trying to hear Gringo. I'm like, all right. Carlson Gracie. I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't know any porchies, but I knew that.

That's how I mean. It's about to get heated. And so Scotty, like. Where's people was every school he went to, everyone tried to murder you. Yeah, and so Scotty Scottie took all the videos of everything And then like that's when Glover is being built at that point

This is when Scottie's making videos like ringworm and all their videos All the stuff, yeah, dang fever Oh, that's right, dang fever Yeah Because of me because Carlson best friend was Pucketat He was the guy that filmed Like Carlson best friend, he's like, hey, what should you do? You should film so Pockta filmed everything

So then they showed up to the house They're like, we don't like your friend Scott. He films everything. He's making all. You can't just show up to Brazil and film everyone. Like, we don't like him. They don't like when you do that here, let alone there. Yeah, so Scottie's blood hair,

but. Oh, come on the day. It wasn't like now, you know, you can go on BJJ Fanatics and just get like the best moves of anyone because they're, you know, you can go buy him. But back in the day, you couldn't buy the best moves from anyone because it was a secret inside that academy. No, because it was hectic,

because Scotty was from Health Gracie. Health made them nervous. Health still makes people a little nervous. But they didn't really care. They're like, you know, Scotty, the Scotty guy got to go. And I'm like, they're like, what do you think of him? In Brazil, they talk like that. They talk like family.

What do you think of Scotty? I'm like, Scotty's like my brother. And then I look at Pacatau. What do you think of Scotty? He's like, Scotty's like my son. So bam, Scotty got to film everything at that point in time. Dude, I remember those movies back in the day. So Scotti had everything.

They were like gold. At a point in time, they're like, they're telling me about this Glover guy. I'm hearing about these guys back in United States. I didn't give a shit. I was like, no way. I'm in Brazil. I'm here.

I don't care about anyone over there. I'm like, I was there on one thing. It was just a smash and like, and do whatever I needed to do. Just to, uh, it was the only one left on my team. And so, uh, Glover, Glover was able to like, Scotty had a big part in Glover, I'll guarantee you.

Like, he's not going to tell you that. Well, he will tell you that. Like, Fran Jr. for sure, but Scotty, give you access to things that like... Not just me, though. So the Scotty that we're tough, for people that have no idea that we're talking about. Chipsaw.

Hospital. Yeah. Scotty, but back in the, yeah, now he has a hospital. What's the name of the hospital in Mexico? Chipsa. Chipsa. Chipsa.

So he's doing a bunch of great work, helping people with stem cells. If you're interested in that, you can fly into San Diego and you'll down across the border to you want to this is way before this is dude this is I mean when I met those guys yeah when I met those guys they were living in like a like a broken down loft up in San Francisco me and Dean list go up there for you know to go out hang out train and what I was the coolest person at that point and when you

want the coolest people in America as far as bringing people together and showing him a good time like because not too many people were able to do that how is he gonna bring all these people right whatever way thing from all shapes of life. You're crushing it, Pete. Keep going. So when did you meet Scotty then, Jeffie? I mean, early. He was already sponsoring Tyrone. And Tyrone was like, you should look at my little white brother. And Scottie was like, yeah, he's awesome. And then as a blue belt, I had an OTM patch on my ghee and, you know. So you started competing as a white belt. You just started getting in there. And you were, you were, so you must have been like 16, 17 years old.

When you started competing? Yeah, I think the first one I did was 17. There's something about you, though. Like, the whole time that you've been doing Jiu-Jitsu, you've been doing things that other people weren't doing. You've been doing things that, at least as far as I know, it's similar to Dean Lister, like my brother, Dean, you know, he was doing things that literally people were not doing.

And you're the same way as a white belt. I don't know that early on I was like that I think I was doing good I think I was doing jujitsu right and just with really good motor skills and amazing balance and it was just normal jujitsu but done in a way that looks different

you know it's like dean was actually doing different things Dean was doing things that were like illegal you know what I'm saying I was taking the back in triangles doing bone arrow chokes you know I was I was doing an attack on the guard. I guess you're right, because now that I think about a little bit more, you were doing normal stuff, but damn, you're doing it in an abnormal way. Because even today, you can go watch your videos from when you were a white belt or a blue belt,

and you're like, that does not look like normal jiu-jitsu, the fluidity of your movement. And you know, you were teaching class yesterday, and you were going through this thing where you're like, hey, just sit here and bounce back and forth. And now, and you're just talking about shadow wrestling. And so I'm sitting there, like, just doing what I'm told, like, okay, we're bouncing back and forth. And then you're saying like hit a single, hit a double. And then you're like, all right, stay in your square.

Stay in your square. But now get it down in half guard. Get that deep heart guard. And you're doing this shadow. Like there's no other people. And I'm watching you do it. And I was like, damn, I'm a loser. I am such a loser because I can see that you're getting better with no partner.

Just doing the moves, doing the movements. Your brain is just tapped into going through and making it happen. And I was like, God, I'm such a loser. And you're literally saying like, this is how you can get better. This is how you get, I'm thinking, God, I'm an idiot. How did I not be doing this for all these years? Going back to the story, though, you started competing. You started kicking ass really early.

I mean, you were freaking, you came onto the scene in a fury. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, against my peers, I always did really well. Hey, how many hours a day? You're like, oh, Pete, Traymore, you must have been training freaking. I mean training like I think when people say training they mean like rolling oh I mean on the mats I mean I was assisting in every class all of Frangie is private classes has women self-defense classes his little kids classes how long a day how many hours a day were you at the academy I mean it was like if I missed more than two classes the whole like free jiu-jitsu thing was over so you're you're doing five classes a day four classes a day yeah every day yeah But I didn't roll.

No, you're not going to roll every single class. But that's the thing. And I noticed this is another thing about you. You have a way of rolling that is, it's not rolling fully, but it's rolling. It's like a playful role where you're going through wild positions and crazy things are happening. And that's another thing. And, you know, I used to watch you do this when you taught here. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah. And I kind of thought of it as like a cool thing. And then I just realized when you were here and I was watching, actually I was watching you and Pete. rolling. I was like, oh, this is how this bastard's getting so good because he's trying all this wild stuff against a partner that he's kind of playing with. They're playing together. Yeah. And that's a different thing. And I remember that actually. Dean and I used to do that. Dean and I would do that where we're sort of going, but we're also kind of just playing. But if it's going to work, you can kind of tell it's going to work. And if it's not going to work,

you can tell it's not going to work, but you don't get all locked up in one position and sit there crossed the side for 48 minutes, which there's not much progress. You have to play before you can fight. It's like in boxing. A boxing coach won't hold pads for you unless you're good at shadow boxing and bag work first because you're going to fucking hit him. You know, you're going to hurt him. As a jiu-suitzoo coach, I don't want to work with a jihitsu student that doesn't have a good stance. I'm like, let me see your stance and they're like, I don't know what to do on my hands. I'm like, whoa, you're not, I'm not rolling with that dude. He's going to hurt me. And if I roll with him I'm going to only, only win.

There's no like letting this dude get anything because he's going to do it wrong and hurt me. You know what I'm saying? And then I start feeling bad because I'm just breaking some dude off like as hard as I can and he's all brand new. And he doesn't understand. I'm just trying not to get hurt. Yeah.

Well, that was another interesting thing. You told me one time you said, hey, for me, the easiest people for me, Jeff Glover to go against is like big muscle guys. And I witnessed that countless times where like some big jacked guy would come in here and you could see you know whatever he's thinking he's hanging on to is not there anymore like a half a second later it's gone you're all of a sudden slipping over there slipping over there um how about your flexibility bro you got some wild flexibility how much of that is natural and how much of it is work i mean it's all natural i don't stretch never stretched no god that's

crazy you ever see me stretch pete no he just like does like freak show stretches just to show people like he'll twist his ankles around but as far as like going out there and doing yoga we went to like meet some chicks one time or something how do that was it no he was more flexible in everyone like we're not falling for that again no so you know Glover is one of those people you know if you tell someone you know not to use your strength but then I tell them not to use your flexibility so then You know, we all have talents that we should. But yeah, the way Glover and I play is,

we're warming each other up. We warm each other up in case we really have to do something. Most people, see, we're expecting to be rolling, and then some dude wants to challenge us, so we're warming ourselves up at all times, as opposed to hurting each other, and then someone walks in the room, and then what? Then we're already hurt.

Like the way we play, he's getting sharper, I'm getting sharper. And then if we really got to do it, then we do it. We're sharpening these things pretty much. We're not putting in battle because we already know what it could do. But we'll keep it sharp.

This thing's pretty sharp. No, that one's not sharp at all. Yeah. So, Jeff, you're saying, you know, white belt, blue belt, you're kind of doing normal jihitsu moves. You're just doing them super fluid. And again, anybody go watch YouTube or whatever.

and check out some of the stuff. Well, what's the first thing you remember kind of, kind of thinking, hey, I'm making this up. This is new. Like, I'm creating this thing right now. I don't know that I did it intentionally. It would be somebody else pointing it out to me and be like, hey, did you notice you did this when you rolled? And I'd be like, no, I have no idea what just happened. I was just, you know, responding to all the training that Fringia put me through.

And it would just work, you know. You're a deep half guard is that I mean you're definitely known for the deep half card especially back in the day Do you was that something that you were like all of a sudden you realized you had this position? I remember you teaching me Deep half guard and the coolest thing was you do deep half card to me and you just like sort of pose the question like what are you gonna do jaco? Because you're 225 pounds and Where are you gonna go and you? and you have you have control of my leg it's like your whole body is on my leg but then I can't do anything Yeah was a deep half guard is that was that the first thing that you started getting recognized for

As like your own thing it was our teams thing Frangia used it just as much as I did so did Bill so did Tyrone Anybody who was winning tournaments from Paragon team was using that fucking sweet But I think I think what I did was I recognized that all the sweeps are not just randomly used. It works best when you have an initial off balancing movement. And I realized at that point that I was doing that. I was going into deep half guard and just trying random moves and hoping they would work.

And often they would. They would oftentimes work. I would be like, let me try this random move. And boom, the guy would get swept. I'm like, oh, cool. And then would you load that into your repertoire? Yeah. I mean, okay, now I got another sweep.

Well, I, dude, it's, I had the light bulb when I realized it was only three sweeps. I thought that it was like 15, 20 different things I had to learn. When I found out like, oh my God, I keep repeating these three things over and over again. And it took me so long. I used to do like three months. I would focus on three months on one move. Every time I rolled with somebody, I was only doing Amma Plata for three months. And at the end of three months, I was, I was freaking, I hated that move.

I felt like a cheater if I was, I was so good at it. that it wasn't fun anymore. You know what I'm saying? When you got a move that it just works for you so well, you feel like you're cheating. You know, doing it to white belts. You're like, how good do I really feel about that? You know what I'm saying?

I'm setting the bar higher for myself. So it didn't get like that with Deep Halfguard. It got to like year three and four, and I was still like excited to use it every time I rolled and it was making life so easy. And you started seeing the clarity and the simplicity actually get narrowed down over time because you fought Deep Halfguard with so many different moves,

but really you can sweep them to the left, you can sweep them to the right, or you can come out the back. That's kind of what it is, right? Basically, yeah. It's always going to be a variation of one of three moves, yeah. And they all set each other up. They're all, yeah.

There's a whole thing that's really easy to learn. You know, if I can grab your leg, I can show it to you and explain it to you in like five minutes. And most guard systems do not take five minutes to explain. Most guard systems, you need like two hours. And I can honestly give you the gist of this system in like under 10.

No, it's... Pete explains it better than I do, to be honest with you. Yeah, it's one of those things that when you were teaching here and I was like, this stuff is, it's crazy how it is pretty simple. I mean, when you were already to the point when you came here, I mean, you were a freaking champion and everything else. So you were not only highly proficient at the move, you're also highly proficient at teaching it.

And all the little drills. It's another thing that Jeff Glover has. Drills, little physical drills, that make you better at the movement that make you better at jujitsu motor skills somebody said that to me the other day they're like Glover you got motor skills

I was like hmm yeah what does that mean I said that to you the other day when you were teaching no what I said was I feel like if Jeff Glover's watching me try to do one of his moves he just thinks this guy's an idiot like this guy doesn't

doesn't have any motor skills so you're in this competition mode so now we're talking like what is it now night the year 2000 2001 now you're competing all the time 2002 2003 you're mopping up competitions the other thing that's rad about Jeff Glover is what's Jeff Glover's weight class whatever dude all those old like grappling quest videos where you're going in against guys that are 300 pounds literally 300 pounds 240 pounds jacked big giant dudes what was the story behind that you just didn't give a

shit deep half garden deep half guard bigger they get the more I use the deep half guard yeah come out the back door yeah no on a single up on any of them they'll work really well see if not when you're caught that quarter guard position when someone's trying to mount you you if you look at the last 80cc with the super fight of Gordon versus Galvan Gordon had him trapped and the quarter guard. So Gala had two options or three. He could either accept the mount, turn his stomach down, give the choke,

or he could have went and did Jeff Glover right there and dive under the leg and went deep half guard. That's something you've got to be kind of crazy to do. It's the deep half, the way I teach the deep half guard, you'll never get mounted again. You don't get mounted and you don't get your back taken. It's the anti-mount pretty much. It's anti-this. Here's how jiu-jitsu used to be when we all first started, okay? It used to be you go from close guard to mount

There's none of this like knee slide to side control shit first It was go from close guard to mount And when dudes are good at that it fucking sucks Right Roger Gracie does And that's what Gordon's so good at that now He's so good at just going straight to mount dude You know what I'm saying And that's what I used to have to defend with Frengea all the time

And Frengea gave up on trying to tell students to do that shit Because everybody on the grappling scene They were all like oh knee slide to side mount Frenge was like that's whack go to mount and people are like that but that's harder and he's like yeah at first it's harder but the end results dog you get a mount where the submission is just right there now

it's like a checkmate type mount and he was like whatever nobody wants to listen to me and we are the whole community we were all like knee slice knee slice and now Gordon's showing you guys fucking he slice mount right so constant pressure so this deep half guard is designed to deal with that shit to get under that mount to deal with that

shit right there that's how Glover is able to beat these big guys because he can either stay there and get trapped and mounted, or he can dive under. And diving under is scary because they're right above you. And if you don't know what you're doing right there,

most people try it and then they kind of get, was it, cluster phobic, right? Yeah. They get claustrophobic and bail on it. And they panic and they're like, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Yeah.

Well, that's another thing you and I were talking about the other day, Jeff, is when you first try a move in Jiu-Jitsu, it's not going to work. I mean, it may work like 10% of the time. But it's the same thing with anything in life when you incorporate something new into your life if you're working at a At a business and you incorporate some new process at first it's going to be less efficient that's the way it works So you're gonna no one knows exactly how to do the process so everyone's kind of messing it up and they're taking a little longer and so you're gonna get less efficient when you first start trying a new process and a business Same thing in jih Tijitsu you bring some new move into jih Tutsu

It's gonna make you worse for a while And I said for a while you were like three months because you were teaching a whole other series the other day. And I said to you, I'm like, bro, I'm going to get my back taken a lot when I start doing this. And you go, yeah, you are. And I was like, yeah, cool. That's the way it is. And I got done.

I was rolling. And I was like, hey, I got my back taken. And you were like, yeah, you're going to keep getting your back taken for a while. And I remember there was a position I used to teach. And I would teach it to people. For me, it was like my main go-to position of how to pass guard. It was like kind of unstoppable. And I would teach it to people.

And then I'd see them try and do it. They'd be all awkward and all off balance and stuff. And I would say to them, they'd be like, I feel like I'm going to get swept. And they would get swept. And I'd say, hey, man, you got to get comfortable in this position first. Like, it's going to take you a while to get to where you can just be here and just be like, no, nothing's going to happen. You can't triangle me.

You can't armlock me. You can't sweep me. I'm totally comfortable here. And I'm going to pass your guard. But it takes a while to get used to that stuff. In order to do that, you got to put your ego in check. I remember watching you, Jeff, where you're like, people are just getting, you're just giving up a rear naked choke.

80% of the time you get out, 20% of the time you tap. And you're like, cool, let's roll again. Yeah, well, I was getting paid in those classes, you know. But that, if you're not doing that, you're not going to improve. Yeah, I don't, you know, I like, you know, I like, I like making the students truly believe they got coach. You know? Like, like, they go home.

They're like, tonight. Fucking. They're like, I swear God, I tapped coach today. No, he legit, like tapped hard and everything. And he was struggling, grunting. And I don't take time to explain to them. Whatever they want to ask, did I really get you? I'll be like, well, you know, explain it to them.

But if they don't ask, I let them go home. I'm not going to be like, I let you, by the way. I let you get that, by the way, just so you know. I'm like, ah, good job today, dude. You try to match their energy almost. Yeah. Match their heartbeat. If they start going harder, we start going harder.

All right, so when did you... So what was like the highlight of your competition career, Pete? Well, then, well, okay, so let's see, besides Rafael Levato and myself, there wasn't too many Americans pretty much going. Rafael would come out and visit all the time. His dad was cool. He wouldn't live in Brazil, but he'd come out. So him and I were able to do well out there.

And so they put us in the great kid polygro. We would usually get ripped off in tournaments. Like I would compete more than him, but the Brazilians liked us because we would get ripped off. There was no internet so much. And, you know, like the last time I competed in Brazil is against Browliol, steam on, it was like at my fifth match of the world and I should have won, but then they gave him a timeout. They called the referee. He brought over an oxygen tank right after a deep half

guard swept him. I dumped them. Then they called a timeout. They brought him all the auction. They put him in his best move. I didn't even know what was going on. I was like, Carlson came out. He made it switch to ref. He threw out one of his cousins with a referee. And then it was a, it was you just realize in these type of games, you could get cheated. They fed him some assa'i. In the tournament, basically, we didn't, in those tournaments back in day,

you'd just stuff someone in a position you were good at, and the time would run out, and you'd win. That's how, I wouldn't have the flashy wins because I would beat people that I wasn't supposed to beat. I would go to Brazil and beat all those guys, and they would never expect that. And I don't even remember most of their names, but there was a lot of good ones. And all the Brazilians knew me.

And then when I came back to Chicago, Carlson had moved to Chicago. But the level was low. In Chicago? Yeah, but it was just like regular people training. And so BJ Penn had called me. He was one of friends at Scotty, and I went over there, and I was living with BJ Penn. And that was a good highlight. In Hawaii or in Hilo.

Oh, okay. So I lived over there for a while. So I'm actually Pete, the Greek, Brazilian, Sicilian, Peruvian, Hawaiian, there's a whole bunch of them. So I lived over there in Hawaiian Hilo. Do you know Jack Daniel? Jack Daniel Hill? He was another guy that lived over there and trained like six hours a day.

Yeah, it was just me and BJ Penn all day, all day. He'd pick me up and, you know, Hilo is one of those towns where it's adrenaline rush all the time. It's raining and stuff, and we're just having fun. cruising and have like Randy Couture come in and teaches how to wrestle and he fought Liotta Machita at that time so how long are you how long are you living in Hawaii for for a while can you put that in some kind of a time perspective I'm still there like if you go there they remember me like look just I'll just be honest with you I went back to Brazil first time in 16 years it was in the middle of COVID everything

was shut down I'm talking about everything no one on the street I brought Grila hands out there. Uh-huh. He's from Brazil, but he never been to Rio, and he went with me. And they just let me and Hanzo out on the street. And we actually bumped into each other, just me, Hanzo and Grilla Hanz. I have pictures, and all of Rio, only people out in the street. No kidding.

And they thought I still live there. They think I'm related to Henssel. Like, they think I'm one of them. That's how it is when I visit here. But you look like Hanzo. Yeah. Or they look like me. I don't know.

Do you still live here? You're moving back. So they have no idea I ever left. You know, wherever I go, they still think I live. there if you go to Hilo, Pete. Even here, I'm kind of still, Jeff and I are still here even though we're not here. And so we leave

that type of presence because we love Jiu-Jitsu. Okay, so for some unquantifiable amount of time, you're living in Hawaii. You're training with BJ Penn, and this is when BJ Penn is like fighting at UFC. Yeah, Matt Hughes. He had just beaten Matt Hughes

licked the blood off his face. Which also, let me just throw this out there, too. You were talking about how sometimes the tournaments in Brazil could be very tough for an American to win. BJ Penn went down there and won. But he's not even on the video. So if you get the video from that year, that match isn't even on the video.

You know what I mean? So it's like they kind of like put that. And he used to train at Gracie Baja. He's from Health Gracie. But the same thing happened. He got there. There was 100 black belts on the mat. The first day everyone trained with him.

The second day, no one wanted to even touch him. And so then he went over to another team to Carlson Gracie Blackbelt, Novug Nile. Petaneras. He goes over there as a purple belt. He tells me, like, Pete, you know, like, I walked up in there.

I was nervous. He walks up the stairs. And Hobson Moore was, like, one of their best black belt. He's like, I triangled him day one. And they're all, like, they were surprised. He was a purple belt. And then they were, like, talking shit. They're like, oh, you know, it was lucky.

He goes back the next day. He's like, I triangle him again. And then they gave him a brown belt, and they're a competition-heavy team. And so they needed someone at black belt in the weight class, they put him, and he won. And then I was there at Purple Belt the next year. I think he won 2000.

So 2001, I was at Purple Belt. They weren't going to let that happen again. They're like, no way, dude. They're like, you're not coming here and doing that again. But, you know, people like you. If you're supposed to lose and you win, it's just like if you're a crowd favorite, people like you, it doesn't matter what the medal says.

And I won a lot. But then in Hawaii, it hurt my neck. How did you hurt your nose? neck. So he went to Sandy's Beach, which is like a notorious beach for hurting people. And BJ Pen and them, you see, he'd leave me in control a lot. When he'd go to Japan and stuff, like he would tell his brother, Pete's in charge. So it left me like, it's hilarious. So, you know, after some time, I ended up at this beach and I hurt my neck. So that took me out of the competition scene. That was around 2000. What happened to your neck? I got slammed on my,

I got body surfing. I had no idea. How about breakneck beach? Breakneck beach. I had no idea that the most dangerous beach in the world. They didn't tell me, they're not gonna tell you, you know what I mean? It's like you're in a room full of staff. No one tells you, mercy, whatever.

It's like, yeah, you know, just lay on that couch. So it's the same thing. That was a jab at me. I don't know if you guys knew. That was a nice jab at me. He thinks all my couches have ringworm and staff on. Fuck you, man. He didn't train on me, but M.M.A. people,

if you go to their house and you sleep on one of their couches, like it's like a joke. They're like, yeah, you can stay here as long as you want. Just stay on that couch. It's like a joke because you know like day four, dude's just going to be itching everyone. Wow. I haven't had ringworm or stuff in the years.

No, I'm not saying it. Jeff doesn't do MMA. It's crazy MMA fighters from back in the day. I'm not telling you. Jeff is clean and he's a great friend. He's a conservative American. Well, I have personally witnessed Jeff kick people off the mat for doing whatever kind of stuff that was non-hygienic.

No, Jeff's great. But hey, so what was the injury to your neck? So I get slammed on my neck. And I was like, fuck, dude. I thought I was paralyzed. And I, man, those little guys, I heard some people left and I started getting pissed. BJ Penn grabbed me out of the ocean because I think it's funny like if you get hurt at first kind of. It's true.

End up being hurt, you know. End up being like injured. There's the entire series of movies called Jackass, which is literally about that right there. And like their main friend came up to me. He's like, you know, anytime you want to come back here, we'll build a house. for you. They're just like, they're happy that I took it like a man because most people are gonna be, and I still stayed there for months

like four or five months after me. Did you get surgery? Did you get a neck brace? What? Yeah, I was just it sucks so bad. I ended up taking the viking. Did you get numbness in your arms? It was fucked up. At first when I got hit, I was completely numb. I thought I was paralyzed. I was like, I hit it and I was like, whoa. And then you shake something off. I was like, whoa.

Like, whoa, I'm paralyzed. This sucks. I'm like, this sucks. kind of like started accepting it. And then I thought about, well, one girl when I was in 18 years old, I traveled to Cancun, one of my best friends, she died in ocean undertone. They call me crying, like, we lost her ocean.

I go out there, I find her. Just when I was 18, we were on the news and everything in Chicago. It came back. Anyways, first thing I thought of when I thought of her when I got paralyzed. I thought her. I was like, whoa, I was like back in the ocean again. I'm like, fuck, I'm paralyzed. It sucks.

And I heard these fuckers last. laughing and then I felt the pain come. It was the best pain in my life. It was like real pain. I was like, ah, and I look at BJ Penn. I'm like,

I'm hurt, my friend, and he's like, he looks at me, he grabs me up, he felt like bad, he felt so fucking bad, and he grabs me out.

And his friends didn't know any about it. I used to smash them all the day. It was like purple bell. It's just random Hawaiians. I'd smash the shit out of them. They were so happy. Random Hawaiians is great. Yeah.

Random Hawaiians. I'm just saying, like, I was there for BJ Penn. I wasn't there, like, these guys, they're just, like, adrenaline dudes. Like, they'll just show up, like, they're the type of guys that show up when you win, and they run when you lose. You know what I mean? And he knows that I'm talking about BJ Penn and my good friends. So it was, like, those type of friends.

They weren't, like, top-notch friends. So now you keep, how long before you could train? I'm like, fuck this shit. I go back to Chicago. I'm pissed. I was Pete the Greek, Brazilian Hawaiian back in Chicago. I was like, fuck. And Carlson has lost his team.

He was like, fuck, we became best friends. We're just like, whoa. We're like, we need to gather ourselves. So, like, he's on the phone calling, like, the shootbox coach, which is the other best team, the hated top team. He's, like, telling him how to dismantle everyone. He's like, yeah, if you're fighting like this guy,

he's like, be nice to Minotaro because he wasn't a bad guy. But he just tell him how to dismantle these people. And, like, call him up. And it was just funny. Carlson was great. And we would study MMA videos every night. And not like, like,

however, how Jeff and I study Jitsu, we study MMA and we watch Fador and everything. Carlson, what do you do here? And you stop it and explain it. And then I start learning. And then we met Stefan Bonner.

Stephen Bonner walks in as a blue belt. And like Carlson, like fuck, let's put this guy to fight, you know? Big guy, strong guy, tough guy. We taught him to Kimora. And UFC,

calls up, we're like, hey, put them in. Because Carlson's, like, that type of person. Like, people who think are really big, Carlson has talked to him, like a kid, like Dana White, you know, put him in. And Stefan changed the whole damn game. Well, of course, Vitor did before,

but UFC got boring until Ultimate Fighter came out. And then that's why Dana White and all them, they love me. And, no, because we help. When Dana White come to Chicago, he's at Gibson's. Every time he shows up,

He gets a wine for my friend from Pete to Greek, like automatic. Like, he's had him like 50 times. So we go in there, Stefan, like, Blue Belt and those one move does, like, the fight of whatever, the sentry against Forrest Griffin. Because when you fight against Carlson guys, like, you have Carlson staring at you. So he's like, he's not a mean guy, but he's a spiritual guy. So it's like, you're just like, fuck, I'm fucked. Like, you're fighting that guy. You're fighting the whole history.

it's everything. And Stefan, he knew enough. He did the golden gloves boxing, knew the Kimora, and he was strong. If he grabbed that damn Kimora, your arms getting ripped off. And he did that. He changed the whole game.

The UFC went from rags of riches. They were dying. Now everyone watching it again. UFC's huge. People are buying pay-per-views. And that's what I did. And I was in Chicago, and Miguel Torres came too.

We helped him out. and then he won the WEC and that's when Dominic Cruz took over his weight class so it's all related and then I became front of Dominic Cruz those are the smaller guys those are the smart guys when did you open your academy so I had surgery Mark Coleman I'm over there at Coburkeye

because for the ultimate fighter I was like their bodyguard it was funny I'm not a big guy but they like me so Stefan invites me and so all the guys Chris Lieb in, they're all there, and I'm in the limo with them, and it was for the ultimate fighter, Caesar won, and we're all, it was like, for the grand finale. So we're all at Lehman's, Cobur Kui, and what's his name tells me? What's that big wrestler? Mark Coleman.

He's like, Pete the Greek, great, right. I just had back surgery at Dr. Joe. It's a guy in Pittsburgh, and I show up there, and the guy fixes my neck. He does like the dysectomy. He's the best, he's like, he's like a sniper. He'll fix you. So I go there, and I'm like, yeah, I'm here from Mark Coleman. fix my neck. But I didn't want to, I didn't want to, I didn't want to compete again. I said,

shoot, I'm like one injury from being away from homeless. I better open a gym. Like, it was like, I'm like looking for shelter. Like, where do I go? Who can I trust? I'm back in Chicago. Like, I was living in Brazil. Shoot, Rio de Janeiro, Hawaii. Now I'm back in Chicago with a broken neck. People are laughing at me. Like I went and worked in the ghetto of Chicago. doing what um so my friends they're getting all happy like ha ha ha we knew you'd end up getting hurt i'm like you fucking assholes and you got hurt and you got hurt you end up getting hurt you know what i mean it doesn't matter the people see you like you got hurt from that jujitsu i'm like oh okay i'm like yeah i'm here to work a job and so i got my real estate license and i was working for

my friends doing section 8 housing so i'd pick up people from the projects they were turning the products and bring them to apartments and I was like fuck dude like I don't want to do this and then it was in bed but I'm a jih Tjitsu guy like I'm having like really like I'm like I don't want to really have to use jit-sue I want to like I don't know what I'm going to do so I opened up this little gym like a real little one Glover came was it me he was in a sketchy neighborhood I remember Glover's first day like the guy comes in Glover's on the door waiting for like you all do tap out because I had a tapout sign y'all do tap out right wait that's what glover said when he walked in the guy that seemed lover outside the thing remember the first day outside my gym he

remember that because I had a big tap out sign so people in chicago thought that I did they thought jitsu is called tap out right it's crazy so then I um I open up this little gym everyone's telling me you know you're gonna get shot you're gonna I'm like yeah right dude I open up the gym and bam I get my best friends best students right from their so cool because right on North Avenue and Western are two biggest streets in Chicago. So it pretty much everyone can get there from the south side to north side, from downtown, from everywhere. There's a little gym like 600 square feet, and man, I made my best friends from there.

They knew I was hurt. I told him straight up, I'm like, look, my neck is hurt. I'm like, you guys just got to get good. I'm going to tell you what to do. I'm not going to fight you. Just learn how to listen. And, man, we got a lot of students in there. It was crazy.

Like cars parked outside. Next thing you know, all my friends are opening up gyms next to me. I'm like, oh, thanks. You guys are great friends. Like, you see business is going great. And shoot, Jim, Jim got big. Kid students. I opened up a giant gym and things are going great.

Glover then came to my giant gym. I always have Glover out for, he's always, I'm like, guys, we're having a seminar. When did you guys meet for the first time? Like with Scotty. That was through Scotty. Everything's Scottie. Everything is like 40. I would have never been.

Scotty taught me how to be a California boy. I was just like Chicago, like cold winter. I didn't know anything. I like, yeah, I just need to smash and win and fight. And then Scotty shows you like surfing. He shows you everything. How to roll a joint, stuff like that. Scotty had one of those scooters like a quick scooter in Brazil.

And we would just go like, he was going like 40 miles an hour on a scooter. He had the first digital camera. Scott, he's like from the future Back then. Now I don't know Because now he's with the hospital stuff I haven't spent too much time with him But back then he was from the future

He teaches us all this stuff And man Hawaii, Brazil Everywhere I go back to Chicago It's kind of like It's like a community service Like I'm really helping out people Chicago's like a barter system

It's like a third world country People don't want to pay you that much They'd rather just barter you And it works out good because everyone there has like connections this and that and this guy owns that place, he owns a restaurant. You know, if you try and charge him,

you end up getting less. So you're like, hey, everyone trains for free. So at my gym, people pretty much pay. It's like here, you don't charge people that much, Jocko. No, we try and keep it as, we try and keep it so people can come in. And I don't have overhead like you. Yeah, I've overhead much lower.

And so it's like, dude, I know if you have money. I know if, you know, like pay what you think you should. You know, if there's food in the kitchen, eat what you deserve. And my guys understand that. And I could make a lot more money being there, but I wouldn't be in jujitsu. Like, I'm doing jihitsu service with the Glover, with the Ritolo's, with B.J. Penn, all these people. I'm doing a higher service. I could be at home teaching white belts, and they might quit in a few months.

They might win a tournament. And I can make a lot more money for sure, 100%. but if I'm looking at it from service, like, we help the whole world. We're all over the place. The weed is better in California. And cheaper. And legal, right? Is it legal in Chicago?

That's a big part of it, yeah. Chicago, you go to the store, it's like 40% taxes, you know? And, yeah, I love Chicago. Hey, I love that place, but with my broken neck, see, I got hit by, okay, so I open up to giant gym. Bam, Glover comes over Like, who we do in a seminar with? Jeff Glover?

I'm like, yeah, again, every seminar is with Glover at my school. Like, it's just the way it is. And so we had a couple other ones. But most of them, like, eight out of ten seminars are with Jeff. The sickest I ever got was one of the seminars I did at your school.

You took me to... The Burger King... He took me to Burger King twice in the same day. That's not... Yeah, he was coming out of both ends. and I was, you know, Pete's like, you all right in there, Glover? I was like, I hate you, man. I'm down in this basement, you know?

Like, I got a great home back in San Diego waiting for me. Like, this place was here. And I'm like in Pete's basement, vomiting. I can just taste the, like, chicken. Remember chicken fries? Oh, God. Oh, damn, I ate that shit. This is gross.

Oh, it was bad. That's, whenever Pete talks about the Chicago, that's all I ever think about. So my back's feeling great. That was the closest I ever felt to death, dude. Let me tell you what happened. And then Jeff comes over, I'm feeling great, and drunk drivers hit me and break my neck again and my back. And then I was just like, I can't live here anymore. It's too cold.

And then I went and live with Glover. Glover, what you used to call him? You were my therapist. Did I? I don't remember that. Yeah, you're my physical therapist. So then I met you guys. So, Jeff, when you started competing for real, like, now.

you're like no when you started doing the worlds and it's like 2007 2008 what's your life like at this point what's your training schedule looking like it's just jujitsu jiu jihitsu right i mean the the jiu jihitsu is the only thing that was not chaotic well what's chaotic i mean just life social life family life finances where do you live where are you living during this time i mean like i lived Joe Stevenson let me live in his place for like two months. I mean, I was living all over. I was living in all these places. And your whole existence is just to train jiu-jitsu.

Yeah, pretty much. Are you still with Frangia this whole time? I went between, I started, this is where I started go realizing that like this one place thing wasn't for me. That just being with Frangia wasn't going to cut it. And Mark Lehman was already a big influence to me making those videos. Mark Lehman was the first YouTube, you know, and... Where's Mark Lehman right now? He was in Vegas.

He went back home to Michigan. Does he have a school out there? Yeah, yeah. He's all low-key, though. No Instagram, nothing. He was a beast. But he was very influential. And it's cool because I get to say now I trained with Mark and Dean.

Yeah. Because Mark and Dean were the too big. It was like, who were the best Americans at the time? It was always Mark Lehman and Dean Lister. Yeah. And they fought. And I got to be, you know, I've spent so much time with both those guys. And, you know, yeah.

Yeah, you know, I started doing the Mark thing, and I told Frengea, Mark offered me a job in Las Vegas, a full-time teaching job. It was my first full-time teaching job. And Frengea's school, it was like, Frengea, can you match what Mark's offering me? And he was like, sorry, boy, I can't, you know, if you want to keep assisting me for free, that's cool. And I was like, well, that ain't. So I went to Mark Lehman, and like, when Fran G gave me my black belt, he tied it around my waist and I had already told him, you know, I was making the move. And he, like, in my ear, he was like, you know, he was like, boy, go show those guys. is how we do the Paragon Jiu-Jitsu in the Las Vegas.

I'm proud of you. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you welcome back anytime, boy. You know what I'm saying? So I started going between those two places. And actually, that's like when I started hanging out with like Rudy. That's when I met Rudy at tournaments. And Rudy would come visit Rudy.

And that's how I started making friends of all you guys. Right. You know? And it was like, yeah. How many hours a day are you training at this time period? I mean I would train in every class I would teach and I would take Mark's classes

Yeah So it was still it was still Until recently it was like You know four times a day every day Mm-hmm Eight to ten hours on the mat We take naps so How many hours a day are the Rottolo's on the mat right now

We gotta take naps once in a while Frequent cat naps yeah And then you gotta be in nature I think nowadays it's different training Now we do more nature training. I'm doing recovery. I'm all about recovery now. Yeah.

It's good to be outside a lot. With surfing, you know what I mean? They taught me out of surf. I got into surfing. The total was taught me out of surf the other day. Nice. So I surf with them. They like, they surf a lot.

When you were training and like, let's say you were getting ready for 80cc or you're getting ready for, you know, the worlds. How much drilling you doing? Nothing changed. I did everything the same. I think there was one tournament that I actually had like a professional coach. But it was just... Like a jihitoo coach?

No, like a fitness nutrition. A guy named Chris Eklund in 2011. And he had me doing all kinds of shit. And how did you feel? I mean, that was the best year in my competitive life, yeah. So you stepped it up and then that made you best. you better. He would he would like frown at me if I was baked.

You know, he'd be like, Jeff, I'd be like, fuck, if I'm bad. You're making me feel bad for all the times that I've smiled at you and you were baked. Yeah. Like, you know, he would be like, what did you eat today? Like stuff like that and make sure I did like real like weightlifting stuff. And that year, that was 2011 and I had the best results that year, like hands down. Did. But other than that, I never trained hard.

I mean, I trained hard, but I didn't work out. There was no weight. There was no, what do you call it, stadiums, there was no stairs. There's no elastic bands. There was no box jumps. Yeah. There was Taco Bell. Video games.

And just dope-ass jujitsu. Yeah, that's a thing. And just the best technique, the most dork about it. I would go down the rabbit hole of what's next, what's next? Move after that. 20, 30 move combinations before the dude would. just give up and I would tap him with his school. Glover trains in his sleep, I think.

That's where the magic happens. Dean does that too. Like, you know, when he would fight and we'd all, like, we were all broke and everything. And so we'd all stay in, like, one hotel room and, like, I'd sleep on the floor, but you'd, like, wake up and Dean would be there, like, asleep, but he would be trying. He'd be, like, not just his legs would be in a triangle and, like, triangling air. And then you'd see him, like, roll over, but when he'd roll over, he would, like, he would, like, adjust his feet and get like a body lock

like shadow wrestling I'm not kidding like that's where he would sleep like he would sleep he'd be doing jiu-jitsu when he was sleeping or like he'd be asleep and his his hands would be like on a rear naked like he'd be asleep like one hand under his head but his hands are in a rear naked choke so he's just like dreaming of of

jiu-jitsu and sleeping sleeping that way I met dean in Brazil when I was out there he'd hang out and my dad and I my dad came and my dad's a big strong guy too like dean like I'm a runt compared my dad and he just loved me hanging out with Dean he's like ha ha ha ha like your friend is a cool guy strong guy Pete you know he's like looking at me like why can't I be like Dean you know I'm just like

whoa so like they'd always hang out it was like for like three weeks and Dean showed up to Scotty's house and that's where I met him because Scotty a little man I lived at Scotty's house on the weekend during the week I lived mostly at Oswaldo Ows which is a little gym where André Galvall lived in and Jacaray. We all lived in there together. Under there was a blue belt. And at that time, that place, they would lock the door on Fridays.

So if they locked us in, we'd have to stay inside. There's no way out. It would be like the door to Victory locks on Friday until Monday. So me and Glover, we got to figure shit out on the weekend if we're living in the little gym, it was a little bit bigger than here. So I would leave and go to Scotty's house in Baja.

It's like 40 minutes away. was like vacation. Scotty had his house set up like a hostel, so all these people would come stay. They have the mats. I think we had the original. Yeah, Dean brought the guys from, I think they're their original friends years.

And he brought them, and Dean wasn't allowed to train. They wouldn't let him train anywhere because he went like the year before and leg locked everyone. So he was banned from every gym and he had ADCC coming up. And I was kind of in a similar situation.

So we just, Scotty had a little thing right in that. in the living room and Dean just trained with me and he went the first day and lost. He was Tony DeSuzza was also staying over there. Tony got disqualified for making the guy too bloody. They disqualify him for being too mean to the opponent. No one even seen that match. But Dean, Dean was kind of bummed out.

We went and hung out and we hung out with some chicks and had fun that night. And he's like, I'm going to do the absolutes. And no expectation. The winning goes there and just crushes it. And then I was like, whoa, dude, like, this is so cool. Like, that's when, yeah, that's when I met Dean. He just became ADCC champ. He was like, he just turned in like national superstar Brazil, like, after that fight.

And he leglocked everyone. And then, like, I kind of felt happy about that. And I was reading, I couldn't go down. I was, I couldn't go down for whatever reason to, because normally I would corner him, right? Yeah. And I couldn't go down. And so I'm reading the updates. on the interwebs.

In the Guard forums? No, it wasn't on in the guard. It was on Submission grappling, I think submission grappling.com. And they're putting, but it's a translation from Portuguese, but it's like some kind of a computer translation that someone's translating it and posting it. And I remember Pade-upano that in Portuguese that translates to cloth foot. And so it's saying like the American, no, cloth foot has a, the American in an arm strangle. Then it says, this American has tubes to his lung.

The cloth foot cannot make him tap. It was, and I'm like, oh, dude, he's waiting. And then it's like, the American got his back. I was like, ah, you know, I'm like reading this. I was in my car. I was in my freaking minivan. Yeah, I was like in my minivan. Like, ah, yeah, you know, totally fired up that he's,

he's doing this and ends up with the. Dean's like a national hero anywhere I go. Like, if we go to Brazil, he's like, We hung out in Chicago. It was great. I just feel like Dean's in there in the bar. He's like, yeah, I'm his friend.

He's a great person. Shoot, you guys really helped out. Glover and I, because my dad, like I said, he's like a strong alpha dude, but I didn't really grow up with him that much.

I worked with him. And I think Glover and the same, we have strong moms and stuff, but like meeting you and seeing how he does do things really helps us. Like, uh, right, Glover? We got pretty serious.

Mostly echoes. arms kind of changed my life in the profound way. We definitely tried to better our lives from meeting you. Like that's the truth. Lover, right? I'm joking, of course. You know that. You guys know that.

Yeah. Jeff, when you, when you always give Dean some credit or a lot of credit, actually, when I watched like interviews, you'd be talking about Dean and you'll be talking about like how he helped out your leg lock game. Did that happen when you were teaching here? You were already leg locking and heel-hooking people, right? Yeah, but I mean, Dean, motivated all of us.

Even those who didn't train with him, we were all like, what is this guy doing? Dean, leg locks are bullshit. Yeah, but Dean, you know? Best comeback ever. Yeah, but Dean.

You know what I'm saying? And Frangia, that was the one, that was when Frangia was like, I heard him admit like leg locks worked. He was like, look, there's this guy, Jeffie. I was like, like, what? There's this American guy. He's Tapsolo.

And I was like, what? He taps all. He's like, I would leg lock, Jeffie. you know he was like you know it was like a sad day dog fuck but uh you know

it's like that the dean made it okay for us you know that when an OG would be like no no no no I'll be like shut up you grumpy old OG this guy's making them they're legit so it is true you know yeah that's uh

what about the game like I'll read about your game like you'll do donkey guard which is for anyone that doesn't do Jiu Jitsu it's gonna be kind of hard to explain But just imagine someone that you're going to fight. And what they do is they turn around, get on their hands and knees and like jump, go attack you with their ass, basically is what it looks like if someone doesn't know.

Yeah. That's freaking mayhem, dude. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, it's based off defense. It's based off self-defense. I'm a master of people grabbing me. So you want them to grab me. You know what I'm saying?

I encourage you to grab me in positions that, you know, they think is good. And my self-defense shit kicks in. And it just does what it does. And I have a heel hook, you know. It's a combination of like the flying leg scissors technique, you know, that and just kind of doing things backwards. The level of confidence that you have, it might be unmatched. I don't know if anyone wants to echo. I would agree.

Unmatched level of confidence. Unmatched. Unmatched. Like, no one's even close. I think it's an unmatched level of confidence to see you compete and see you just offer positions to your opponent that seem insane. I would rather look stupid than look scared. I also don't think that there's been a grappler that is more, I hate to say this word, but like more entertaining to watch. Like watch it like I go watch you

I go watch you all day Roll Jiu Jitsu I go watch you all day Like I told you I have like videos of you and my son Like like one one year One like the next year like eight minute videos You guys are just rolling And I just I'll just watch them Because it's just even though you're going against a kid

I'm like God what is he doing right? Look at what he's doing right there But then when you watch you compete the same thing It's freaking amazing to watch Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I've worked very hard to be as good at Jiu-Jitsu as I am. That level of confidence, though, kind of unmatched.

I mean, even like you've been teaching a series this week, it's like stuff I've never even, well, it's weird because you started teaching this series. And, you know, I watched you here for five years. I watched you give your back to people. I watched you like, do these weird positions. I'm like, wow, man, that's just like a Jeff Glover thing. And then you were explaining it the other day. I was like, oh, this is not just a Jeff Glover thing. It's just that Jeff Glover's doing something that I didn't understand.

Yeah. I trust my jujitsu. Don't you trust your jiu-jitsu? Sometimes not as much as you do, bro, at all. I trust in it, dude. My coach used to tell me believe, and I believe, dude. Yeah. Jeff doesn't reference other people when he does things.

He'll just think of it and do it way cooler. No, that's like, that's why I say, dude, I feel like an idiot. Like, you're like, oh, don't you trust your jihitsu? I'm like, I'm like, I'm not as much as you. do bro apparently because you're just in there just not caring what happens and still you know Jeff moves well I'm the worst actually I think I'm the worst people ask me about you every every way I go do my seminars they're like what's it like to row with Jocko and I was telling like you were always so nice to me you and Dean and Echo you guys are always you know so gentle with me

I'm so little and I go all hard and you guys are like cry little Jeff and one one time you actually like turned it on and put me in a Kimora you know and people love when I tell him that. Like there's no point to that besides people being like, whoa. You know, Chaco? I'm like, yeah, he's really good. No, that's, well, I was, you know, would feel like I wanted to learn how to kind of roll that, that way where you learn more, you know.

You guys are all nice to me. I'm not a good roller and learner. You're, that's what you do. And I tried to like get that from you to be a good roller and learner. Yeah. Which is, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah.

It's more fun that way. No, I can see that's something that lasts longer. To this day, for sure. Yeah, I mean, I got like neck surgery. Why did I get neck surgery? Fucking Dean Lister trying to choke me and I'm not tapping. Yeah, I was going to say, Dean wasn't as nice to me as you guys were. Dean would hold me in my growl in my ear and shit.

Look at Glover. He can't get up. Look at. By the way, everybody. Everybody, come here, look at. Come here. By the way, you ever seen a man get out of this? Watch, Glover.

Try to get out. Watch. Look. Look, he can't. Look how weak he is. He can't get out. That's like being nice compared to what Dean has done to me. Oh, my God.

I've seen you. I know. I saw that shit. It's humiliation, right? Yeah. I gained a lot of respect for you. How can I do jiu-jitsu? I have 225 pounds.

I lift weights every day. I'm freaking training jiu-jitsu every day. And I'm a grown man. And Dean would put me in positions where I could not move or he, you know, could not look, could not move my body in any way. How's that happening? No, I remember you'd say that.

And he's like holding me with one. And he doesn't lift weights. No. You're like, Dean never lifts weights. And he would say stuff like that. He'd be like, you need more crossfit jungle right now. Where's your crossfit? I thought you could squat a lot.

What are you doing? How's that squat working out right now? Oh, that's perfect, bro. That's so good. Yeah. We all say that stuff. Yeah, he did that shit to me too. It's good, but it's not good.

But so speaking of like the Dean Lestowness Jocko thing because I will say thankfully I got to be Dean Lister's guy you know in those years when he was becoming a champion I was the guy I would I would train with him every day we train two hours three hours four hours a day you need to have someone like that in your life you had Bill the grill yeah right that's your guy so anybody that's doing jiu jitza you need to find that that guy and the only like we talk about the play for rolling and look I just talked about Dean like humiliate and believe me he'd humiliate me any day I'd get a position on him bro I would go twice as hard humiliating him and having fun with it payback's a bitch though but

for jiu jitsu you got to find somebody or like it's probably going to be one person it's hard to even find more than one person like this but someone that's going to be your like true brother teammate that you're going to roll with, you're going to learn with, you're going to work on stuff, you're going to stay after, you're going to drill stuff, you're going to get tapped out by each other, you don't care. It's just like that. You had Bill the Grill. How'd he come into the scene? He just

did, you know? He just started showing up. How far behind he? He's five years younger. He was 13. He was 13 when he started. But we had him in the adult class. By the time he was 15, he was the Purple Belt National Champion. Breaking off adults. Him and Crone Gracie made it to the finals

of a tournament. They were both 15 years old. God. Tapped eight dudes in the way to meet each other in the finals. And it was like,

you know, like dude, kids can be really tough. Oh, dude, I had that conversation with Levato, Jr. We were at ADCCC

because he was like 17. He was actually, I know he was 17. I don't know how old I was, but I was like 20. I was maybe even, I was a grown,

definitely a grown man. And I was like, dude, you beat me. I said, dude, you beat me. I said, we were purple belts,

you beat me. And he goes, I beat you twice. He beat me in the weight class and he beat me in the absolute, bro. And I was like, hell yeah, that's a 17 year old. I don't remember how he beat me in open, but he swept me. Like I, you know, sometimes you get swept and you're just like,

man, I hope no one got that on video because you feel real ignorant. Thunk, you like landed hard. Yeah, he just did like one of those sweeps to me that I was all just dumb and, you know, it was just awesome. But yeah, a guy that's young, you know, I don't care. Like a 17 year old can work out a lot, but he's not going to be, he's not going to have man strength yet, you know.

And that was badass. Lovato just, just retired. But man, we made it two rounds at ADCC against the best in the world. It's hard for me to talk about Lovato because he's a good dude. He's just, he just came to my gym. It's just so much to say. We met him from Scotty too. Yeah, yeah, good friends.

There's another one, OTM. I would see him at every tournament. Yeah, we were bros. Yeah. Those got, well, him, you. You guys were just competitors. He would go to, he would go train with Lehman a lot. A lot of people would make their way to Vegas to spend time with Lehman.

And I would run into them there because Lehman hired me as his jiu-jitsu teacher for two and a half years. How many classes of the day were you teaching there? Like, you know, a full-ton thing. Like I was doing here like four a day. I almost had that job too. It was a good job. A layman job. A layman job, but I went to, I went to Hilo instead.

Because what I used to do is this. I used to stay in Vegas. Monday through Thursday and then drive over to Los Angeles. This is after I got back from Brazil. I would drive over to Los Angeles and train at Eddie Bravo's school. And that's how I met them. Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo, Tate Fletcher. Oh, yeah.

It was in the Palm Squad. I had my friend Rob Kamen. He's the Dutch kickboxer. And they're over there. Because in Vegas, the hotel's like $40 a night. I'd stay in Harrah's. And the weekend, like, 300. I'm like, oh, I'm going to L.A.

I would stay at Scotty's brother's house, sometimes Cade, which was... I also used to live there. So when Scottie left Brazil, he became like the Los Angeles guy. So anytime we go to L.A., we hit up Scotty. And Scotty knew everyone and everything, and shoot, and Glover, that's when I got hurt. You know, I wanted to be an M.MA fighter. So I was more interested in, like, I'm like, you know, I'll put the medals aside. What was your weight?

B.J. Penn. I was a lightweight, light in the middle. When did you guys See the no-ghi Versus the Ghee? Like at what point did you see that as sort of What you were going to do? ADCC

That would be like when Well if my coach Carlson He didn't like the Ghee Like Ilya Gracie put him to fight his first MMA fight with the Ghee And he told I'll never do that again You're crazy You know what I mean?

You took that down And that was that And then the Carlson Grays team Never really used the Ghee They used it for the kids kids. They use it to warm up. But the best guy is like Carlson would just grab something by the neck like this. It doesn't mean if they're a kid or not. And if they'd flinch like this, he's like, no, no, you're just jujitsu. And if you go like this and the kid is like, he's like, okay, you're fighting. Even if they're adult, it's just he's not even at, he was already older, but he was like this. And the kid's like a man you grab Nick Diaz like that. He's going to be happy. Yeah. Oh, you're about to fight. You go here. And so that's how our team was. And Carl, and Carl, He was nicer to the bigger guys. So I feel like a rona size, he'd be real nice to you.

If you're like my size, it's kind of like, you know what, Pete? Like, Jeff gets the same way you do. And Jeff gets around the big, big guys. He gets mean to me a little bit. Carlson the same way. No, but I'm just saying, like, big people, they give a good presentation as far. Like, Dean, he's an example. You.

I respect bigger, I respect size. I'm a little dude. Big dude scare me. He likes it. Whether they know Jiu-Jitsu or not. Glover always has big friends, dude. Some strong, tough guys, dude, I come around. Like, fuck, Glover.

The weird thing about Dean's, he's a mutant because he's still so flexible. He is. It's a weird flexibility. Dean's special. He's like the Rotoa brothers, like Glover, like BJ Penn. He's all special. Like, what do you think, Glover? Special people, right?

We're all pretty special, jovial. Jiu-Jitsu people are some of the coolest people in the world today. We have the DNA. Like, it says it has to be in her DNA to be a superhero, at least knows something. of jujitsu yeah well there's there's definitely a threat of like it's you know they say martial arts right like it's an art like in an art form and then you think a stereotypical artist you think like somebody a rock and roll artist like he's a little bit crazy like a painter's a little bit crazy a poet's a little bit crazy let's face it the jihitsu player he's going to be good he's

going to be a little bit he's going to have a little bit there's a decent chance i should say he's a little bit crazy. Especially like a deep half guarder to go under someone like that. Yeah. You have to be. But you got to be, you know, when you talk to Dean,

you start talking to him about Jiu-Jitsu. He knows weird things about Jiu-Jitsu. It's like you were saying about Glover the other day. Like you asked Glover some questions, some detailed question about some weird section of J-Jitsu, and all of a sudden he's talking about something, and you're like, how do you know that? How is it possible to let you know that?

That's the way. That's the way Dean is. Have you ever asked Dean like, if you say Dean like, Hey Dean I'm having trouble with this triangle and he'll say what kind of triangle and you say what do you mean and he'll say well there's nine types of triangles and you know then he'll tell you what they all are and tell you all the specifics about he needs a book like that he's I think like he knows a lot of history cool story about Dean we're we're at a an event and we were doing some jiu jihitsu like presenting basic jiu jiu jitsu kind of self-defense to a few hundred people yeah and he should showing a way to escape someone's like bear hug right basic jiu-jitsu or basic self-defense so you grab a bear hug and he's showing oh you put the one hand in front of the face then you put the other hand underneath that one and you can make space and you push the person away and so he shows it a couple

times this hand goes here this hand goes here you push him away make space boom and he goes any questions and a guy in the audience says uh hey i have a question dean says yeah what's the question the guy says I only have one hand and he holds up like he's only got one hand. What should I do? And Dean, without missing a beat, like just instantaneously goes, oh, if you only have one hand, you put this hand here, you use your shoulder and he like had the ultimate solution for a person that only has one hand that's doing Jiu-Jitsu self-defense. Like that's some next level knowledge.

You know what I'm saying? He can improvise because of the amount of knowledge he has. when he improvises, it's not bullshit. Yeah, that's the weird thing. It didn't even, he answered it so quickly. He didn't even need to, you know, I would need to be like, well, come out out here. Let's look at it. Let me look.

Let's go through it. Dean, like, knew what to say. No, he's good. He doesn't know how to not say anything else. It was freaking crazy. Jeff, what injuries have you gotten from Jiu-Jitsu? All of them, you know. What's the worst ones?

I mean, I had a back surgery. but I can't even say that that happened from Jiu-Jitsu, the injury itself. I don't know where that happened. I don't know how that happened, but I had like, what did you have? My discop of me is what I had, you know. So they pulled some discs out where in your back, lower back? Yeah, my lower back. And that was the most miserable long chronic pain I've ever had.

And was it like the pain that people get down their legs and all that stuff? Yeah, pretty typical. And Jeff was crawling around his house. I was crawling. It was to the point where I would wake up. cry for like an hour, you know, crawl into the shower, and then crawl back to bed, call some one of my friends to come feed me. I mean, it was just horrible, you know. That must be you texted me one time.

I was like, I remember dude? I was like, Jocko, help me. Somebody helped me do in my back hurts. I don't know how to. I know when Jack Lever texted me, I know shit's getting sued. It's probably. I was like, somebody else. It was bad, dude. I was eating Advils and shit because I don't want to take like, I don't know, I don't want to take like pills. I was like, I'll take the Tylenol's or whatever.

How long ago did you get that back surgery? That was in April. And how's the recovery? It's good. I'm back to me, I mean, Jocko, I wasn't even teaching classes. I couldn't, you know, I couldn't do anything. Like, I'm back to, like, I didn't want to be able to roll again and I'm rolling again. I was like, I was like, listen, Doc, I'm not trying to get you to fix me to the point where I win world titles, dog.

I just want to be able to, like, be on the mat and show a move to somebody without crying, you know. And now I'm at the point where I'm like, shit, dude, should I take matches again? Like, nothing hurts anymore, man. My surgeon is a jiu-jitsu guy. He's one of fringies students. And what did you do, a discotomy? Microdiscotomy. So he pulls some little disc out, get it away from your nerves.

Yeah, rupture disc, yeah, something like that. Jeff took pictures of it. Yeah, no, they recorded it. They took a whole, they recorded it. Just breaking up the iPhone. Looks like a little teeth. The doctor was just so kind to me, man. He, you know, he was like,

you know, see you tomorrow at 6 a.m. for surgery. He's like, what? Doesn't take a week or nothing? He's like, no, tomorrow. See you there. Got it. And just got it done. Boom. And how long did it, did the relief was like instant? As soon as I woke up from anesthesia, I was like, so happy.

Were you scared about getting back surgery? Not at all. Or you were just like, hey, I've had enough. That was done. Because I know a lot of people, you know, they go through that time period with like, I don't want to get surgery, which I get. Because. Oh, yeah.

Well, I did that. I went through that like, oh, I'm going to have foundational training it away. There's like a stance that I'm going to hold for three minutes. And it's like, none of that shit was working. Yep. So you tried all that stuff and it's not working. And eventually the pain gets to a point. I know people that have had surgeries and they haven't gone great.

And it sucks. So I generally tell people like, hey, if you can put it off, put it off. And then at a certain point, you got to go, okay, look, I tried and this isn't working. And I know a lot of people that have gone, just like you, they went and got surgery. and they wake up and they're like, oh, I'm healed. I mean, imagine that. Go from debilitating pain, which is what you had. You wake up and you're healed.

I did that. What surgery was that? Well, I had five. So the first one, it's just, the first one in Hawaii, they cleaned it out that was fixed. And then later on, like, I had the Glover one in my lower back, but it went bad. Sometimes with those things, like, when you get it cut, the disc, the disc comes back. Like your Pete's scar, your scar is so big. Like my scar that I have from the thing, you can't even see it, dude.

But when I had my car accident with the drunk drivers, I also, it made my neck numb again, my arm and my leg. So I had both. I was like, whoa. No, there are these ones. There's one here, too. I don't know. There's some. I don't know.

But I have artificial discs in there. And so when they put that in there, it took away that numbness. I was just like, oh. But it still gets sore. Of course, it's not perfect. But it took away that. You're just like, oh. And I thought I was getting a dysectomy in there, whatever they call it.

I went into surgery thinking they were going to clean it out. And I'm reading anything and it says disc replacements too. I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like. Disc replacements are only like 10 years old, 12 years old in the neck. Yeah. And so it's awesome. So he says, well, I did it in, I met these people.

I was, I can't tell you everywhere I've been. I've been everywhere. But I'm also friends with Higin Machado, and I was helping him. He was helping me. I guess we'd help each other. We're friends in Beverly Hills at his school. I was teaching Ashton Coutcher and all the John Wick guys,

and they had recommended Daniel Bernhardt. So he's the director. He's the guy that took over, it's either Michael or Daniel. He took over after Van Dam. Remember like in Kickbox? He was like Van Dam. Then it became like some other guy.

That became him. And then he is the director. of all the Matrix stuff. And so his kids like me a lot. I was teaching them private lessons. And who else is it? Oh, they got Joey Diaz. I got Joey Diaz in the Jiu-Jitsu, actually.

He did a comedy show in Chicago, and he calls me, it was in Indiana, and he calls me up, he said, Oh, Pete the Greek, I haven't met you, but they tell me you're the guy. If I'm in Chicago, so I went out there to his comedy show and after his show.

I'm like, he was talking about martial arts with passion. I'm like, dude, you need to join Jiu-Jitsu. And he's like, serious? I'm like, and he got like a tear in his eyes. And he went back, when he went back home, he actually joined. And when I show up to Higgins, I saw him there, and I did a video and everything. Hegan just a cool dude.

I don't know why I even brought him up, but I just think of him. He's like a dean. He's one of those big dudes that, like, that people just feel inspired around. and she got the, shoot, if those guys met Glover, they would have went nuts. And they like me.

They're freaking. No, Higgan used to make a point to come to me at every tournament and say the nicest stuff to me, Doug. No kidding. This boy is genius, is genius. You're just like stuff like that back, Doug. You were so cool and nice to me. Thank you.

And we used to hang out, Dean and Higin and I am in Brazil, my dad and stuff. They was like our little crew. That's what Higin did. He went to everybody. Like, everybody that was coming up and was cool, he would go up to them and just encourage the shit. out of them. That's pretty cool. You know, there's like zero player

hater in that dude's body. And yeah like I have a rule with him like we're not allowed to talk about jiu-jitsu. He's like he likes me because I remember him of Carlson Gracie. Carlson was his favorite uncle. He's like if the Machado brothers could have trained with anyone they wished they would have trained with Carlson because that was this part that they didn't get into the mixed martial arts part because they didn't have him as the coach. Like if Carlson was our coach, we would have fought. And so I remind Hegan of Carlson a lot. He loves having me around and and I met all those

high-level people and Joey Diaz and I just want to say, man, thanks because that was part of my rehab too was I lived at Higgins' house for a while. Or rehab for your neck? Yeah, just like... Or for your back.

Let me think which one it was. The car accident got both of them because you got... I was on the news in Chicago. It was a big thing. It took me and all that stuff. And it's... The gangmangers tried to run off.

So they hit me and they ran off. It was funny. I'm like, these fuckers are running and they're running away. They're running out of the minivan that hit me.

And then they just start dropping because they were injured too. And then like, they take me to the hospital and they thought I was part of them. They're like, no, just listen to here, buddy. I'm like, look,

I'm the guy they got hit. They're like, we don't want to hear that. I'm like, get me out of here and I just left. And that was like the same hospital when you see the Joker and Batman like he's blowing it up. It's called St. Elizabeth.

It's right over there in Chicago. I live right in the, Chicago's cool I mean I come from a pizza family A hot dog family I'm Sicilian and Greek So my grandma's side is

The Ritolo's It's funny They're Italian They're dad He's actually like I think we're cousins We figured it out last year Because their restaurant

They're related to It's called La Villa That's the last restaurant I ate at with my mom Before she passed away It's right by our house It's one of the old Old school restaurants

Shoot It's like this guy was from Chicago. It's Shaitown. It's a little town. We all know each other and shoot Glover over here. I'll tell you one thing. I've met a lot of creative people. Scotty was creative like Glover in his own way as far as putting everyone together.

So Scott, I know I keep bringing up Scotty, but man, I wouldn't have met any of these people without him. He like propelled Jiu-Jitsu through, provided a lot of fuel for Jiu-Jitsu when there wasn't much fuel for Jiu-Jitsu. In Brazil, he thought he was pocketed on. He thought I was Carlson. Glover's like Holes Gracie. Like maybe like different spirits find, I don't know, thinking like that, maybe we find them, but Holes and Carlson

were business partners. Holes was the best blackout from the other side of the family. And when he became blackpout, he would come to Carlson's and train, and sometimes these guys would beat him. There was like two guys that could beat Holes at Carlson's in. And Holes says, you know, I want to train them.

with you guys. And so Holes came over and Carlson said, wait a minute, you're not going to teach at my class. You can have your own class. So at Carlson's school, they had two rooms. So Carlson would teach in like room A, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then Holes would take that room Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, they'd switch and go to the other room the other days.

And then they would have a friendly competition between their students. And that's how they kept the level so high. So when Holes got, was black belt his his best black belts were Carl carlino's Gracie you know he had he had he had he had Carlos Gracie Jr but most of the guys went to Carlinios when Holes died because they want to stick with the Gracie family but the best one of those guys not the competitor but the most technical was Jacaray Cavacante it would be like where Frangina comes from so that was the most technical of Holes the old the white one

yeah yeah so he I went to his school so that's our I'm more like Carlson side like you know like no it's not gonna work fuck and Glover's like no no no just grab me here grab me there so that's why we're probably friends because we kind of we're kind of like opposites Jeff what was the discussion you had with Hennar Gracie the other day uh sport jiu jitsu self-defense what was that what was that discussion about um yeah it was like a meme that I saw and it was like self-de, it was talking about how how people in like self-defense jiu-jitsu will say something like, oh, they have problems with tournaments.

Sport jiu-jitsu. I don't do that sport jiu-jitsu shit. I do that self-defense style. And it was like, imagine a boxer telling you that. I've been like, I don't do that sport boxing shit. I just do that self-defense boxing. It's like how crazy would they sound saying that, right? So this is someone that might think, well, you know,

oh, you do that, you know, you train on a mat with a Gion. That's not realistic, so you'd get your ass kicked in a real fight. I mean, listen, whatever it was, it was a funny-ass meme. And I posted it. And then one of his students, some dude wrote just some pretty hostile, like, you don't know what you're talking about, shit Glover. So I went to his page. And I saw that he was like this scrawny, 35-year-old dude, like my size.

You know, and I'm like, I'm fuck this dude, you know? So I like to go. I took a screenshot of his belt that he had because he had a belt that I had never seen. and I'm like, what is this, some karate belt, you know? And I was like, look, this is the kind of guy who, like, argues with me about anything in Jiu-Jitsu. It's some dude who doesn't even do Jiu-Jitsu. And Hanner was like, hey, what up, Jeff?

Send me a message. Da-da-da. And I found out that Hanner has his own belting system. I didn't know that, dog. I didn't know I was personally. He was like, oh, that was a personal attack, bro. And I was like, hey, first of all, as your friend, because I've known him for a long time since we were both, like, you know, 17.

I was like, as your friend, if you feel like I personally attacked you, honestly, whatever it was, I apologize. I was like, I don't want to personally attack you. You're the man, dude. But like on a professional level, I didn't know you had your own belting system. And that I was like making fun of one of your dudes. Whoa. You know, you know what I'm saying?

And he's like, yeah, dog, we have this whole system. And he explained it to me for like an hour. And you know, I have ADD, dude. I can't be listening to shit. I can imagine you having it had one hour. Dude, I was like. I'm pretty surprised we're holding out right now, dude. Well, that's how I ended the conversation.

I was like, the weed is wearing off. You made your point. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. I hurt your feelings. Yeah, we all do basic jiu-jitsu, but I don't think like people who only do self-defense will ever be able to beat somebody who does sport jujitsu. And that's the end of my point. I had a guy on social media over the last couple days.

He posted something. I wish I could get the exact quote for you. But it was something like this. And I get the spirit of what he was saying. He said, you know, I know this guy, he was something along the lines like, this guy wants me to train jiu-jitsu. but I told him, listen, there's a difference between jujitsu and crazy old Marine. And you're not going to be arm barring me when I'm gouging eyes, right? And so that was the comment.

And he kind of like thought, he probably thought like I'd be like, hell yeah, because I love the Marines and I love the military. But I haven't responded to him yet, but I'm going to respond to him. And I'm going to say, hey, bro, like actually you're not going to be gouging anybody's eyes when you're getting choked and arm locked because that's what's really going to happen and you know Dean always has a good explanation of like oh you know hey someone guy I'll say to Dean like well yeah I would just like bite your face and Dean's like yeah cool then I'll be mad yeah nice you know because then you make Dean mad well you make a jihitsu guy mad so now when they're mounted on you like I'm also going to bite your face yeah we had a friend here uh that was a seal the jituituit guy and he got into a street

fight and he like was a cross side on the dude you might remember he got his ear bitten off like kind of not bitten off but like if you took if you took a piece of pizza and like turned it to the side and took a bite not out of like this truck the tip of the triangle but like out of the side it looked like that like just a bite was gone you know what I'm saying like a bite was gone of this dude of this seal's ear but now what happened in the fight now he was pissed oh he's a Oh yeah, I mean he just like annihilate this guy could have killed him or whatever But yeah, so that self-defense stuff of like well, I'll kick you in the nuts or all You know I gouge you or all fish hook you know you actually or you may maybe you will but it's not gonna help

It's not gonna help and the other thing is like oh well oh Jiu Jitsu Why would you want to go to the ground in Self-defense don't want to go to the ground self-defense? Hopefully you don't have to Yeah hopefully just knock a dude out you know Hopefully just you know give him a nice one, two, three, and the dude's knocked out and you move on. Carry on with your day. Yeah, but we landed there and now we're here.

Yeah, but all of a sudden I got, you know, gang tackled or tackled by somebody or a trip and fell. And now the only way I can handle this situation is if I know how to get back all my feet and do jihitsu, arm lock somebody or whatever. And I'm a purple belt Pan Am champ, so guess what's going to happen? Yeah. I'm going to do all that shit you just said. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be not good.

So, yeah, that's definitely something to think about. Have you ever had, how has Jiu-Jitsu performed for you in the streets? I mean, I've never lost a street fight. I'm a witness. What is your go-to move in a street fight? No, you're not.

You've never seen me fight anybody. I'm a witness. I'm not a witness. That's right. Riven statement. Dude, you know what? You're just imagining how kick-ass it would be. That's right.

happens that when Glover tells him about a fight that he had, it's like, I'm there. Like, I already imagine it because I know his moves. He's like, yeah, I double-legged the guy. I ran around him. I left at him. God. He tried to chase me. That must be so confusing.

That's what I was trying to say with Hinner is that Hinner is like he fails to mention that he's a badass wrestler dog. He's a dope-ass boxer. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like, how did you win streets fights? I'm like, I never really used Jiu-Jitsu. I always like faked double-legs and then punched the shit out of dudes when they fell to the,

oh, I'm going to get double-legged. And I punched them. And I was like, well, didn't even use any jiu-jitsu there. Yeah. But my coach was with Ilio, he was, that was his best, he was his best student. Look, on this subject, it's like I started off with, many truths exist at the same time with this subject. They're both true and they're both exist at the same time. And it's almost pointless to talk about this shit.

What do you call it, a paradox? What do you call that? They're like loaded questions as far as like jih Tijuana. Yeah. I do a lot of times when people have a strong argument. for or against their, they look at it, what my brother would call it in a vacuum. So they'll take a very individual thing, unchallenged in the real world kind of a thing. And then a concept.

No, I'm not saying jujitsu as a whole thing. Just like how you said, brother, there's so many truths going on in that. But I'm saying a concept. And then they'll challenge it against sometimes a straw man, but sometimes not another in the vacuum concept. And then they'll go to battle. But a lot of times, especially kind of what you were saying in that debate. Do you know what straw man is Pete? No.

Like the worst example. I'll let Echo explain it. In a nutshell, it's like the worst example of someone's side. It's usually like inaccurate. Oh, I got it. Now I understand. But either way, like when you talk about a competitor in jujitsu, and then the other side would be like,

oh, you would never pull guard on the street, which is true. But then they're representing that as like their position. I wouldn't say never. I wouldn't never say never. It's safer to pull donkey guard than, full guard in the street. Yeah, and then even that, that's not necessarily true. Maybe for Jeff, and that's all.

No, because if you jump Fulgard, you're going to land straight on the pavement. And to Tanner's credit, he did say some things that, you know, I think the jiu-jitsu community wanted to hear him say. I asked him if he thought John Dannerer was the number one dude in the world right now. What do you say? I'm like, because we all agree on that. Do you agree with that? Or are you going to say your grandpa?

You know what I'm saying? He was like, yeah, John Danner is number one. I can't deny that. You know, and I was like, okay, do you think Jujitsu guys? who do tournaments can win street fights and he was like yes I agree with that well you know I was like cool that's what that's all I was saying I was like I don't disagree with anything he says yeah and see and then that so the conflict really comes when the the interchangeability of generalities versus specifics kind of

goes on and that's how it's going deeper I mean yeah well generally look if someone could always say generally speaking if someone always could say that and then when they go specific they say well specific that's great A lot of specifics have no place in a general argument. That's great. So people don't understand that. It's pretty deep. That's fine jiu-jitsu coming out of freaking.

It's pretty deep. It's the way it works. See it happening all the time. Write that down, Pete. Jeff, generalities are different in specifics. Yeah. I always say I'm one of the worst people to introduce people to jujitsu

because I'm like big and strong. And so if I, when I would like introduce someone to jiu-suitzzi, they'd be like, well, that's just because you're big and strong. Matter of fact, to this day, someone will be like, well, yeah, good role. You're really strong. You're big and strong or whatever. And I'm always like, yeah, thanks, man. That's why I lift.

Hell. Yeah. But, Jeff, I think you're like, I think you're the ultimate. I live too, but yeah. I think you're the ultimate person to introduce Jiu-Jitsu to other people because you're, you are unassuming. And what made me think of that is, dude, I can't imagine the fool and how, how, how crappy it is when when someone sees you.

and they're like, I'm going to talk some shit to this little skinny white kid right now. Oh, it happens. Yeah. I've been a witness. Wait. Wait, wait a second. Hold on.

You gotta watch that. I know nothing. Aren't you Mexican though? My dad is half Mexican, yeah, pretty much. So you are Mexican, is it? Yeah. Well, my dad, my dad's... Boy, you look like a white boy, man.

He speaks Spanish. He's like half white, half Cherokee Indian. So, but they would just say Mexican. Wait, your dad is half white and half white. And half white. half Cherokee Indian. Yeah. Is your mom like

my mom's the whitest person ever? She is, yeah. Because damn. Yeah, I'm white. You were white. Dude, it would look crazy when I'd be with my grandma. People would think she'd like kidnapped me.

All right. ADCC. So speaking of which I saw you up there this year, what did you think of everything? What was your impression? Number one, let me start off by saying this. Yeah, that's great. Bro, when I went and saw you,

when I was talking about going to see you at the ADCC trials, like that was literally in like a, what was it in like a hotel back room or something? Yeah, like a hotel ballroom. Yeah, like a hotel ballroom. Not a nice hotel either, but just like some shitty hotel and they put some mats on the floor.

I thought it was nice. There's like 200 people watching, right? Less than that. Less than that. Just the people there, there was no one to be watching. Yeah, yeah, actually, just people competing and then there's people competing and then watching others compete.

Yeah. Yeah. This one was crazy. It was epic. There was 15,000 people in a big damn stadium. Nice. And the Jiu-Jitsu was just freaking nuts to watch. It was nuts to watch.

What are you seeing in the evolution of Jiu-Jitsu right now? Yeah, it's interesting, right? I have a very interesting perspective. I wish I could explain it. I wish I had the vocabulary to explain that. But like, it's, it's, remember when you first saw those first ADCC matches with the Sheik? and they're like, dung, to dook, to do do do do in the boot. The drums and the Arab dudes playing drums in the background.

And it's just so, it was something so magical, you know, it was like being a kid again. It was like, it was like all of a sudden, remember when you found out pro wrestling was fake? You know what I'm saying? You were so heartbroken. I was. And then I found Abu Dhabi and I was like, oh my God, it's not like pro wrestling's real again. It's real. You know, like these dudes are real real real.

Like Dean's a real fucking pro. Like, like, macho man is like, you know, that wanted, that was like Dean Lister. Dean's Lister's like a real-life macho man, you know? So, yeah, it's just every year it's always so special. You know, you could go back and watch ADCCC-1996, an untrained eye and watch that shit and be like, wow, that's fucking amazing. You know, I can't imagine somebody who just started you did two last year watching ADCC and being like, oh, what am I getting myself into?

That was crazy. You know, am I going to be doing that? Like, whoa, it's just, yeah, it's, I don't know how people, don't want to do it. What did you think about the evolution of the game? Like what it looks like now? It's a tough question. People ask that one.

That's a tough one. I don't know. Has it really evolved? We're all just going for neck, arms, and legs. Yeah, that's true. I was pleasantly surprised the last couple matches

in big tournaments I've been watching because, like, I'll be here and training. And, like, this is an example. I'm freaking trying to pass Dean's guard trying to pass Wes's guard, whatever

like Echo's guard like we're They spend a lot of time trying to pass guard And man Sometimes I think dude I just suck at Jiu-Jitsu Now I need to freaking you know like Just find a new sport to go start playing croquet Or some shit you know like why is you bored or No because I suck

And I'm like dude I suck And then we'll go and watch like at ECC I was watching I was like That's right and I'd realize this Six months ago I was like Oh, this is what Jiu-Jitsu looks like more now. People are better. Their guard is better.

Their leg attacks are better. You can't dive into stuff the way you could. Everyone's just better. So it takes more skill and more time to pass the guard. And as I watched all these matches, I'm like, yeah, this is, it's just a different game. Now, now there are evolutions that are happening right now that I'm seeing. Like, Pete, you were talking about them, some of the other night of the map. We're trying to do, like, okay, so with the IBGF tournaments that were before, well, they still have them now, it's, you don't have to be specifically too good at that many skills.

You could be good at two or three positions and hold the person and win. But now at these tournaments, are submission only, or Glover has a tenor-tap system, there's 80-CC systems. You're getting penalized for just holding a guy in one position. So with no ghee, you're not going to be able to hold. anyone down when they're sweaty. So what people are doing now is leaning on the person and making them carry the weight. And then

on the bottom, you're pretty much... That's not changed. It's always been like that. I'm finding where the evolution's coming in. Okay, pretty much... I'm failing to find that. Yeah, there's... Yeah, it's just like... It's just different styles.

It's always going to... That's what's so cool about this. What's new is old, like, look at these old Greek guys that got Achilles and Zeus and... Like, those dudes knew how to grapple. I guarantee you, like, who are you kidding? Didn't he come up with it? the Achilles lock?

Yeah, all that stuff. That makes sense. They had the wrist lock guy. They had all that stuff. When did you get all freaking focused on wrist locks while we're going down this rabbit hole? Okay, so when I lived in Brazil, I lost it in the world. It was like my fifth match and then Oswaldo Alveser.

He's an old guy with Andre Galvan. Just tell the story kind of faster. The weed is wearing off. Come on, Peter. So they're like, come live with us. This old guy is the wristlock master. Can I tell your story for you? Stop.

And then he taught me a couple wrist locks. And then when I hurt my back, I couldn't do arm bars anymore. So if you grab the arm, you got to spin all the way around. Like Glover, you see when he grabs his arm, he's jumping around. I just, I focus on the wrist and elbow and I snap it. And if it works, it works. If it doesn't work, I use it to pass the guard. You could see like Cade Retolo, he used a wrist lock and it's Mika Galvan.

He starts snapping his wrist. You highlighted that. Yeah, Mika pulls out. And then he starts coming around, circling, goes back to the center, goes again, Mika hides his wrist, gives him the pass, and he takes the leg. And then he stuck his leg in, exactly. And I only had these videos out for a couple years. Now, mind you, I came about wrist lock the world when I was living with Glover.

We're sitting over there in National City over here working with you guys. And I was so pissed. I was like, fuck the world. I'm like, no. Ristocked the world. Like Whistlock, Wu-Tang, like, yeah. Glover's like, fuck you, Pete. Like, I need something like that.

Come up with something like that for me. And then like, it just took off. I, you know, I started WTW. Stands for a lot of things. PTG stands for past the guard, past the guac, you know, past the guard. Pressure the guard. Pressure the guard.

Mm-hmm. Pray to whomever you choose. there's a lot of things. And, man, doing Jitsu a Glover is fun. And I can honestly say, like, I don't have, like, you had Bill or you had Dean. I had Carlson, he passed away. So it's like, my guy is gone. So thank God I end up in the best rooms with the best people that love Jiu-Jitsu.

And lately I've been somehow ended up with the Ritolo brothers. I'm with them every day. We do this foundations training. And we do like spears like this. and all this stuff is fixing them, but I get to be around them, so it's fixing me, and the guys are, like, living in Hawaii

where I got hurt initially. And so it's just, it's all coming full circle, and that's what's so cool about martial arts is, it comes around full circle. Last time we were here, I don't even, was there a Jocko podcast when we were here years ago? No, I don't even know.

This has only been around for about six years, seven years? Seven years, yeah. So, it just, it's all coming full circle, and I think the more you love Jiu-Jitsu, the more to love you. And Jeff and I have made how many videos? I made, like, I showed up to BJJ Fanatics. I made Wrist Lock the World.

Dan O'Hur is the one that actually got me that job. Like, I don't know him so well, but he gets a kick out of me. And they call me up. Bernardo calls me up, and I show up there, and I seen they had a Jeff Gloverer DVD in their own collection. It was with, like, another company.

I forgot their name. I thought Pete was full of shit. I was like, dude, Pete's full of shit. I'm like, Glover, what am I supposed to do here? I've been here.

Like, full of shit about what? Just everything he said. I was like, this dude just, he lies about all kinds of shit. He always thinks I'm a scammer because he hasn't met like, I'm sustaining Greek.

He's used to like, Mexican and then I met the owner of the company. He never met me before. He thinks I'm a scammer. Wait, this is BJJ Fanatics. Yeah. Yeah.

And when the guy, he was like, oh yeah, just passively. He's like, yeah, Dean gets these blah blah, he's like,

I was like, I'm like, Glover, get your ass over. For doing nothing. He's like, fuck you, Pete. I'm not leaving San Diego. Yeah, I was like, I don't want to go out there. Stupid Boston.

He's cold out there. He's cold out. I'm like, all right, Glover. And then I get on there and shit. And then Glover always, we always try to top each other. That's what's really cool. Like, so, like, what we do is we hang out extremely a lot. And then we disband.

And we try to, like, come up. Who can come up more stuff? But I got hurt before him. So, like, the people that, like, they got a really be. into it to know me. They got to pretty much be into it to know him. They don't even got to be into it to know Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan, like, he's the one that probably, like, he's like the Scotty now. He's like, he's like, you know what I mean? Scotty was like that, like for this us as kids. But now you got like Joe Rogan and we're all friends, Eddie Bravo. Eddie's our good friend.

Like, shoot, like he does the other half guard, you know. What do they call him? The lockdown. So like Nemesis, lover and Eddie, they're kind of like, they're from the same planet or something. I don't know, but he's my other good buddy. Yeah. Shoot, he gets a kick out of it. And we're all connected. And Joe Rogan, hey, thanks a lot because every jitzy school in the world

should thank that guy. For sure. Period. Right? Yeah, for sure. Spreading the word. Joey Diaz, I gave him that class. Changed his life.

He put the video out. And shout out to his. him too because he's a man he knows everything about martial arts believe or not he did kung fu and all that stuff and I looked at him I said you know what you need to get on the match brother and I talked to him at least once a week like when my mom was on hospice we call up Joey he thinks he's really he's like yeah it's your uncle from your mom said it's weird it's like we're really related and cool dude he loves Glover I know everyone is a yes or no I

Dude, these guys called me. Spit that shit, Pete. When my mom's sick, my mom just passed away a few weeks ago. Eddie Bravo calls up every night, plays music for crazy. That's crazy. I mean, he calls me up. Do you guys remember the Eddie Bravo video that was Cribs? Oh, yeah.

I'm in that video. I try to find it on, it's not on YouTube. But we got to get the access to that. I got it at home. It's called the Twister. I'm on the Easter egg. So if you like go up down, left, right, up down, left, right. I show up.

Yeah, so it was on that DVD. So that's why I have it. So I must have it, but I don't even have a DVD player anymore. Yeah, there's a way, you press like up, down, left, right. They were called Easter eggs. Scotty's brother, Cade, who's like a computer genius. This guy put it in there. So when you put the little code in, then I pop up, and Eddie Bravo, yeah, he's, shoot, just a regular dude like us.

And then next thing you know, he's another one. Like, shoot, 10 planet, they're everywhere. They're nice to Glover and I. Like we've been to how many 10 planet schools teaching seminars? There's a, it's one thing that's cool. Like, you know, back in the day, it seemed like there was more animosity. And maybe there still is, but between Jiu-Jitsu schools and all that stuff, it seems like that's not so, definitely what, let me say, it doesn't even seem.

They're definitely not that as much of animosity as there used to be between, or maybe it's just between all the people we know. We're in their systems, you know. They have moves named after Glover. They have wrist socks after me. I'm sure they have moves. When you're part of someone's system, there's no denying it, you know. Glover's got, like, they have, like, moves, they have a system of moves.

Like, they have, like, how can you not be friends with you? You're in their system. Yeah. Geez. Well, right on. So what, so if guys are looking to follow you guys now, want to do a sem? How do they get to do a Jeff Glover seminar in their academy? I have the same booking agent that Dean has.

It's a guy named Dave Herbert. So where do they go? Like, is it a website? It's a, it's a, you know, booking agency where he does seminars for striking people. And whatever, Dean came to my tournament, introduced me to the guy, bada bing, bada boom. He's booking all of our seminars for us and making it easy. So strikers international on Instagram is the guy's page. And or you could just contact me on Instagram.

And we can book seminars and flat rate and all that stuff. And your Instagram is at Jeff, Jeff Glover, BJ. That's right. You guys are both, you already mentioned this, BJJ Fanatics, which is a compilation website of all the best guys in the world, making videos, instructional videos, both you guys are on there. We have a lot of content. Most of the people have a couple of videos.

Jeff and I are there a lot. Like, we have between the both of us who made probably 40 videos in the past a year and a half. And I just started working with Strykers International too. So you could contact them or you could find us. Dude, remind me after this, let's talk to the boys at BJJ Fanatics and put like a special on when this comes out. You know what I'm saying?

So maybe people could buy like 10 of your videos or something in a package or something like. There's always like even if you buy one video, every little bit helps. You know, Jeff and I actually taught, we taught a lot of class. I remember we taught the Marines together and stuff. Yeah, Joel Hoffman, remember Colonel Joel, you turned here. Yeah, yeah. So there's no discrimination. We're here to teach, you know.

And if you're watching this year. from now on Instagram maybe doesn't even exist who knows you can always find us Pete the Greek you know what I mean jujitsu and Jeff Glover Jitsu and Jocco you could find us if you want us echo too don't leave Beck oh he's a black belt he's a black belt all these guys you're at Pete the Greek wrist lock the world is that one big thing on Instagram is it that whole thing or is just that whole thing Pete the there's some other Pete the Greek guy that's kind of kind of fake you're your your BJJ school is called Rio BJJ.com

Let's see, what's the... And that's also where you can get t-shirts or whatever. Just go to wristlock the world.com. I bought that one. It brings you to everything. On my Instagram... Risslock the world.com. I put a link tree so you can set up all your links.

And like I said, if Instagram's not around in the future, you can always find us. You know, we do jiu-jitsu. Wherever there's jiu-jitsu, you'll find Glover in the Greek. Right on. And the Ritolo brothers, I want to give a shout out to them. because my mom just passed away. I was feeling down Jeff all the way in Santa Barbara and these kids, like, I don't know,

I have a good connection with them. And they're about the only ones as cool as watching Glover as far as I'm concerned because most of the matches, I fall asleep. And these guys, I get the, they're the only ones that remind me of Glover. They just go, man. I just want to add, when his mom died, I showed up.

No, Glover's great. It sounds like I wasn't there, motherfucker. I was there for that, okay. Was it Glover was in Santa Barbara? No, I came to be with you. Well, no, my mom looked at me. She goes, I'm tired of, see, I'm tired. She's anyone's listening.

Thinks I'm a bad friend. My mom's Big Mo. She's from Chicago. And my grandma's Leon, these are all like pizza people. My grandma was the first woman in Chicago to have a restaurant, a business. So, hey, shout out to Shaitown, dude. Shatown.

You know what I mean? Right on. Awesome. Echo, you got anything else? Oh, yeah, a couple things. Sandy Beach. That's real. Sandy Beach.

is on Oahu though, by the way. It's not in Hilo. No, they took me there. They're going somewhere. Hey, we're going to go. Hey, we're going to go to training. Oh, yeah, so it's very notorious for the shore break. You Google break back beach.

Short pound, sure, if you will. I'm saying in this scenario, it's probably appropriate. Yeah. Short pound. Oh, yeah. And it's super common for guys to get injured there. And so, you know, they post signs and all that stuff. But, you know.

Pete, the Greek ain't reading those signs. No way. When you're going with the boys. Yeah, the local guys, they don't. Yeah. So you got to watch. out though for that. It's notorious for that kind of stuff or the short break. Yes. So, watch out for Sandy Beach.

Spirit. Secondly, I think I figured out maybe 5, 10% of your whole thing. Who Jeff Clever would point out. Jeff, Jeff Clever. Please inform us. You like, you took the original structure, if you will, of jiu-jitsu and you were like, oh, wait, there's more stuff underneath the hood here. So you just like, you know how you ever buy like a remote control car? and be like, okay, cool, and you take it apart, and you see the motor and you see how everything works. You're like, okay, you take the original structure of Jiu-Jitsu, and then when you roll, you sort of take it apart.

Like, you do stuff that you're not supposed to do. You let them out. Just see what happens. See, let me take off this wheel over here. Is that reverse engineering? In a way, in a way, but more and more, it's like a, it's a form of experimentation. So it's like when you do that, you start to see little connections. Like, oh, this piece doesn't have to fit here.

I dig it. It can fit, like, over here. I dig that. And the reason. where one of the days that you were teaching and I figured that out is you did this drill that I never been a part of before. You were like, okay, get into whatever position,

mount, right? And then you'll just call out another position or submission. And you'll be like, get there as quick as you can. And some people would be like, oh, I got to go here. Some people, they don't even know how to get there. They'll just sort of climb over and for, which won't really work, but it's part of the drill, you know. It's like find the shortest path there.

I was just going to say you on. Exactly right. Find the shortest path. But there's a test. There's a test to see who stumbles through that one and it can just, you know, yeah. Makes 15 moves that could have been two. But I felt it though because when you were like, oh yeah, Mount, we're in Mount

and you said, go to the knee bar. And I was like, I know the drill. So I'm not just going to just go to the knee bar like the way you kind of can't really do it. I got to go to another step first. It's like, okay, I go half guard, then the knee bar from, you know, Dean's knee bar or whatever. And I remember you watching and being like kind of looking. As if just like a little bit disgusted. No, no, no.

The opposite, it was kind of approved. And not to say that that was such a great performance of the drill. It was more like, this is how I felt. I don't know. I couldn't read his mind. I just read his look where it was like the way I felt at that time was like, this is the purpose of this drill is to like, don't think of it in terms of like, oh, I know what an arm bar is.

Let me just go there. It's more like figure out the quickest way. And you'll probably figure out that there's quicker ways than how you do it when you really roll. or there's actually ways to get there even though it doesn't seem right there available at the time. So I started thinking back, and not to say I did this all in one day or nothing like that, but then if you think back to a lot of your stuff,

you'll do a darts choke when they're passing your guard. And I'm like, that's not usually where they teach the darts choke, is it? It's usually from a very specific number of positions. And then if you look like his match against him, this was in 2009, It was you went against Joel first and then Bill the Girl Cooper. I forget who you went with first. Tino Martinez.

I think that was the day too. I think that was the day too. You know him? He's a good dude. But it was a random tournament in Delmar. And that was the first time I think I seen you in real life. And I was watching you do stuff. I was like, wait, he's like doing a lot of creative stuff.

Yeah, it's creative. But it's like you're violating a bunch of rules just so you can implement something that works, by the way. And then it's a good, the best demonstration of that that I remember is you against Bill the Grill when you guys were both doing it. God. Yeah. We closed out several pro events where we were like in the finals against each other.

Yeah. And he's like, this is my little brother, you know. Yeah. We would just like, let's put on a dope show. Yes, it's going to be a fixed match. But it's going to be so cool that people don't mind watching a fixed match. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was crazy.

Yeah, it was really interesting. Yeah, just like it's like why I talk about like, musicians and how a musician that's really like Jimmy page you know he played like as a studio musician for for decades like as a as like a teenager he was playing as a studio musician like play these exact notes at this exact time and he so got so disciplined and so good that when he got to Led Zeppelin he's like oh watch this I'm gonna play a note here with a freaking violin thing whatever that thing is called and I'm gonna start playing the guitar in a totally different way and it's gonna work and it's gonna sound awesome that's to me that's like Jeff

on the mats of justice. Damn, I got compared to Led Zeppelin. Hell, yeah, you did. Right on, fellas. Appreciate you guys coming down. I'm looking forward to taking classes afternoon. Yeah, that's all I got. Yeah.

Thanks, fellas. Thank you, boys. Thank you. We out. And with that, Jeff Glover and Pete, the Greek have left the building. Yeah. Little jiu-jitsu talk today.

Yeah. You know, for me, from my perspective, It was kind of interesting to be like last night thinking I was going to do this podcast talking about Jiu-Jitsu with Jeffrey and Pete and it was kind of It's kind of it's kind of it's a lot different right a lot of times I'm reading from a book Yeah, or I'm you know we're talking to someone that's been through some horrific things and it's usually pretty heavy Emotionally heavy yeah so it was kind of I must say it was kind of really really Yeah, my light-hearted to come in and just be like, oh, we're going to talk about Jiu-Jitsu with with Jeff and Pete who are both, you know, like nice and chill.

Yep. So there you go. Jiu-Jitsu. It was fun. So my, I came in the J-Jiu-Jitsu scene in 2005 and which was in kind of the beginning of the height of Jeff Glover. So I saw Bill the Grill, Jeff Glover, like these guys or whatever. So it is interesting to hear like his version of that timeline.

And so I was like, oh, that's when that's when I came on the scene. Grappler's Quest, best of the West. Freaking the world submission grappling championships. It was like, Grappler's Quest. You were a little behind when there used to be, God, there used to be some really interesting tournaments, good tournaments. But yeah, sounds like there's a series of tournaments that the tournaments you're talking came after. there was like what was that one like the Olympics of grappling or something like this

grappling games so I think that one faded by the time new there was a place in LA called neutral grounds that was old school back in the day I mean we're talking like there'd be 50 people there yeah in a cage yeah like with a grappling matches we're in a cage dean lister had a tournament or a match against a guy there and dean got him in some kind of hole So I got a chokehold, but like a, oh no, Rico Rodriguez got this guy, but the guy didn't tap. And he like, when the ref stopped it or whatever, the dude like didn't get up for a while. Like they were thinking this guy might not be alive. Yeah, there were some crazy stuff, but.

A little bit rogue back in those days. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy how different it is now. It is. The popularity of J-J-2 is awesome to see. And jujitsu is fun. Yes, sir. And the way that Jeff Glover rolls makes it even more fun.

Watching him roll. Yeah, he's like the ideal of like exploratory jujitsu. And then what you gain like when you, or I mean him as the example, like what he is gained from exploring jiu jitsu in that way so much is that's what makes it so like, you're not used to that kind of stuff. And so it comes off as so amazing. And it's available to most people like that, but it's hard to like get in that mindset because he does it straight up during competitions. Yeah. Like watch like Metamorris, I think it was like four.

Yeah. A secret match. Oh, yeah. So he's the announcer, by the way. And they're like a secret match. And it's Barry Yoshida, who just was in the Hall of Fame of ADCC by the way. Barry Yoshida versus somebody. It's a secret, right?

It's like a surprise. And they're like, Jeff Glopper, the announcer gets off, takes off his suit and goes rolls. And boom, exploratory jiu-jitsu donkey guard, all this unorthodox stuff, but it's like, it's by design, you know? Man, it's interesting too because they're like, they live kind of, for lack of better term, like a jujitsu nomad style. Yeah, right? Where they go around, everyone knows them. He's a king of kung fu walking to earth. Yeah, bro.

It's crazy that for like five years at victory MMA and fitness. Look, we have Dean Lister teaching, which is insane just to think you can learn all this stuff from Dean Lisch. But for five years, we had Dean Lisch, which is as good as it's going to get. And Jeff Glover, they're both here. It was crazy. Yeah.

It was like every day was just, it was crazy. It was epic. One time I rolled with Jeff and I rolled in many, many times. And so the thing I remember about, or the thing that makes this very memorable is, This was the whole day I rolled with him, I got a bunch of times, where we're rolling, he's being all, he's keeping it play for or whatever,

and then he switched and kept it real, because if you didn't know, there's two modes keeping it playful and keeping it real. That's Hannah and Gracey made up those terms, by the way, but he switches over to keeping it real and bust out some wrestling on me. And I don't mean on me, because I'm so good and so that's why I'm not saying that,

I'm saying because I outweighed him by a lot and he just put it on me. Another notable thing is, earlier. Okay, so I like Kimura, especially on smaller guys. He saw the Kimura coming. He gave me the Kimura and he reached behind his back and just held his arms as if to be like, I'm giving you this Kimura, but it's your job to finish it.

Couldn't finish it. I was like, bro, see, that's the, and it's not like I'm smaller than him where it's like I'm bigger. Like the chance of me finishing it is going to be higher than, you know, maybe a smaller guy, still does it. But that's that exploratory process that's going to allow him to understand all his available maneuver maneuvers when your hand is already behind your back he has that we talked about it but that level of confidence like an insane level of confidence in you too you know when

you watch dean lister with footlocks he has that specifically with full locks like he'll there's been tournaments where dean would like stick his feet out like go ahead please try and footlock me but man to glover has that from a positional attitude like he doesn't care what position someone gets he's gonna so awesome stuff thanks for those guys for coming on support the podcast you want to support the podcast you got to support yourself hopefully you're gonna start training jihitsu we can't even start to you can't even start to explain how much jitsu is going to help you in your life it's true you got to you got to say listen I you got to have faith in what we're saying right because I can't explain it echo can't explain it you got to

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So Twitter The gram Facebook We're on there Echoes at Echo Charles I'm at Jocco Willink Of course you got to watch out for that algorithm

Because it will catch you And the reason I know it'll catch you Is because I cheat When I go in my ice bath I kind of cheat When I go in my ice bath I will Look at the Instagram

Or some social media When I'm in there And time just goes by You're like Oh it's been six minutes How did that happen Oh, because my brain was captured. Yeah, yeah.

Sedated. So that's a good rule of thumb. You can only look at social media when you're in some uncomfortable scenario, like get into a wall squat. And as long as you can hold it, you can scroll. Yeah. You know, you get seven minutes. Cool. You know, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Go. Could you hang off a pull-up bar? No, because you need your hand to scroll. Maybe you could. What other's another crappy position to get an ice bath for sure? Talking to you Ice bath

Yeah you could sit there and have to talk to me You're a little frustrated today What was the frustration about? I wasn't frustrated today No no It was yesterday No you were roydraging I wasn't worried raging today

That was yesterday Hawaiian Because you took it upon yourself To interrupt me in the morning By the way In the middle of my workout With some nonsense Do you respond?

But you responded during a workout Is that a good move you think? No no I know now yeah no bad move terrible what was it what was the trigger statement that I made I'd have to go through the thread but through because there was a few multiple yeah it's true true story then you have to come here and sit here and talk to me for a long period of time yeah it's so I should have been scrolling social media during that set time it's mental anguish yeah check all right well

watch out for that algorithm Unless I'm you know verbally abusing you then it could be a nice little escape see that's what you need you need a little escape from my From my abusive personality, you know, apparently the world makes sense You're going to train after this? Well, I don't know 50 50. I have another engagement that I'm okay You knew we were doing this today. Yeah, I have my clothes everything. Okay, all right. Okay, well, hey, that's on you know That's all in the world, you know? I guess it's not your fault see your whole tone right now. Yeah, see That's part of what I'm talking about. It's part of it.

It's part of it. It's part of it. Yeah, it is. Yes. Check. All right. Well, once again, thanks to Jeff and Pete for coming down. Thanks for what you guys have done for Jiu-Jitsu.

Always stoked to have you all around. And thanks for helping so many people out by giving them the gift. And it is a gift of J-Jitsu. So thanks, fellas. And I also want to thank our service members from the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard. we get to train Jiu Jitsu because you all protect us

and by the way all of you in the service if you get a chance and actually you should make a chance go find a way to train Jiu Jitsu it's going to help you in everything that you do same goes for the rest of our police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics, EMTs dispatchers,

correctional officers border patrol secret service all first responders thanks for protecting us us and keeping us safe so that we can live our lives. And same thing. Guess what? Please, please go out and start training in jiu-jitsu. If you don't already, it can save your life.

And everyone else out there, guess what I'm going to say? The same thing. If you're training jiu-jitsu right now, cool, keep training. And if you're not, go find a jiu-jitsu academy and go train jiu-jitsu. And until next time, this is Echo and Jocko. Out.