Jocko Podcast - 376: Exploring Murphy's Laws of Combat with JP Dinnell

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

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This is Jocko podcast number 3.76 with Echo Charles and me Joccoe Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Also joining us tonight, J.P. to know. Good evening, JP. What's going on? If you don't know who J.P is, JP was the lead sniper and point man in Delta platoon with me in Task Unit Bruiser.

He was a CQC instructor. He was an urban warfare instructor when we worked together at the training command for the West Coast SEAL teams and now we work together at our leadership consulting company, which is called Ashlawn Front. He's a leadership instructor. He's the director of our experiential training. That includes our battlefield reviews. That includes our council offsite and our field training exercises.

Anything? Did I miss anything, JP? Chief training officer. Did I say, what did I say? Call me the director. That's Cody's Tyler now. Oh, damn. Already got promoted above what I knew.

Yes. Chief Training Officer. Which is funny because nobody cares about the title. I mean, we care about the titles. Apparently, I don't care. But nobody really is like wrapped up around the titles at Eschon. It's like, hey, I'm the janitor. I'm the chief janitorial officer.

I'm happy to have a seat of the table. You call him whatever you want. JP has been on this podcast before number 46, number 246 and number 309. If you want to hear about his background, about our background together, go check those out. In order. You know, the first one talks about, you know, our experience is his experience in buds and in the teams and all that. And then 246 and 309 also.

So, thanks for stopping by, JP. So while we were in the teams, as I just mentioned, we taught the laws of combat leadership to seals that we're getting ready to deploy during our time frame. It was mostly Iraq and Afghanistan. As it turned out, those leadership principles are also applicable in all. leadership situations and now at echelon front we teach those principles that we learned from combat we teach them to leaders and at every level in every size business in literally every industry there is but those principles that we teach are not the only lessons lessons that transfer from combat to life because on this podcast we've covered I want to say hundreds but we've covered

I would say in the neighborhood of 100 books about war, maybe 200, something like that, where we take those lessons, those principles, and explain and explore how they apply to business, how they apply to life, how they apply to leadership in any situation. There's one set of principles, though, that I have not covered yet. One kind of a mythological document, and it's a document that spells out yet. another series of laws of combat. And I think that this series of laws of combat is perhaps the most popular laws of combat

amongst the troops. And these are known as Murphy's laws of combat. So if you're in the military, you've definitely heard of these before. You may not know that Murphy was a real person. Murphy was an actual human being. He was a captain in the, Army, actually in the Army in the U.S. Army Air Corps, and he served, he graduated from West Point,

1940, was in World War II, but he was in the Army Air Corps during World War II. He fought in the Pacific Theater. He fought in India, China, Burma. After the war, he attended the Air Force Institute of Technology, eventually ended up as a test engineer at Murrock Army Airfield, which became Edwards Air Force Base. That's a lot of famous things happened at Edwards Air Force Base. But while he was there, they were doing, this is now in like the early 19, or sorry, late 1940s, early 1950s. They're working on all kinds of stuff.

One of the things they were working on was measuring G forces applied to pilots. And so they start with crash test dummies and then they move to chimpanzees and then they move to humans and they put them under these various G forces. And you had to measure these G forces. So they were, they were wiring these suits or wiring. Yeah, wiring the chimpanzee or wiring the human or wiring the crash test dummy to measure these G-force that was getting put onto the pilots. And in one of these test cases, the sensors, they look at the sensors and they all say zero. And it's expensive.

You know, you got to run these tests and put everything in there and get everything set up. And then you run the test. And then, hey, what do the sensors say? Oh, they just say zero. So they're in the wrong. and the story goes that Murphy blamed it on one of his assistants. And this is another engineer gave the quote that he said, if that guy has any way of making a mistake, he will.

He's talking about his assistant. So he placed blame. And the other engineers decided that that attitude of if it can go wrong, if it can happen, it will happen, it should be called Murphy's Law. So they actually named this thing after this guy, this this this young lieutenant Murphy and I don't have his full name in here Anyways, so this guy sorry Captain Murphy that's where that's where it sort of started by and it grew from there So

So 1955 there's an issue of aviation mechanics and bulletin and it said Murphy's law if an aircraft part can be installed incorrectly Someone will install it that way Oh my goodness And eventually it included everything that can possibly go wrong will go wrong and it took on a life of its own and what's funny is when I started doing research They have different different industries have their own set of Murphy's law You're you're not in your head have you seen this before no, but that makes sense to me I mean I found it for coding You know there's you pick an industry and they have their Murphy's law but it all stems from this guy Who didn't take ownership and blame someone else which is you know we we don't support that

But it certainly took on a life inside the military and over the years Soldiers sailors airmen and Marines have added their own laws and there's a bunch of different versions of this and I kind of compiled what I thought were the most pertinent and so without further ado further delay We'll get into Murphy's laws of combat So here we go the first one and look these are a when you go and pick pick pick pick a list because there's all kinds of lists different different things are law number one I like this one for the first one if the enemy is in range so are you and and that's that's that obviously you know that's one of those things you go oh man you kind of shake your head and also you remember that for instance I remember the first Gulf War I wasn't in it but and I forget the numbers

but the old Soviet tanks that the that the Iraq were using had like a max effective range of whatever it was 3,000 meters and the American tanks was like twice that. That's beautiful. So you literally do not stand a chance. So that's actually wrong. Now, that being said, as we know, if you're exposed, you know, when you get yourself into a position and you can see the enemy, there's a decent chance that the enemy can see

you and generally speaking it's good to think that if you can shoot the enemy the enemy can shoot you so what that also means from my perspective is when you engage with someone else when you engage with someone else you throw a shot out at somebody you just you just offered up that that's what we're doing yeah right so when you want to start whatever kind of game you want to play when you start it you can expect reciprocation so if I have a professional relationship with JP the minute I say something you know let's say let's say it's a professional relationship but but I'm your boss and I decided I'm gonna make a little you know a little sarcastic comment hypothetically

right hypothetically please do not report me to HR hypothetically if you make that sarcastic comment to someone on your team when they make it back to you can't be mad no you cannot be mad so when you are in range, when they're in range and you take shots, that means you're in range too and you're open season. So I would say this, especially from a leadership perspective, you don't come out of the gate with sarcasm. You don't come out of the gate cracking a bunch of jokes.

You know, this goes back to Hackworth saying, hey, I wouldn't smile on anybody for four weeks because I wanted them to know I was business. I put this in that same category that what you give, in a relationship and your behavior is what you're going to get back. So pay attention to it. It also can be in a positive way too. When you behave with nothing but professionalism, most likely that's what you're going to get back.

So pay attention to that. What you dish out is what you're going to get back. I wrote down capabilities in the situation because as soon as you're like, hey, if they're in range, you're in range. I'm immediately thinking as a sniper, I'm like, not necessarily. Like if I'm behind my 300 wind mag in a building two rooms deep, like you have zero clue where I'm at. And if you're walking out around the streets with an AK or like, but that's the situation that you're in. So you have to be aware of the situation that you're in, what your capabilities are before you start engaging with people. And then I wrote down recon by fire because like when you're saying like, hey, you got to be careful saying stuff to people.

A lot of times people will do that just to try to get a receipts. They want to like they want to test the environment. They want to see what's going on and if you can stay detached from your emotions and have some tactical patients like we would teach our guys like, hey, just because they're shooting in your direction. Yeah. Doesn't mean you need to shoot back because now they know exactly where you're at. They might have they have zero clue where we are at in an urban environment. Take us random pop shots. Doesn't mean we have to shoot back. Now, could we?

Yeah. But we also pose a threat of completely. giving up our location which now we don't have that advantage anymore so 100% so what's great about that is you know now I'm the boss you're you're one of my employees you make a sarcastic remark to me now you're in range and I'm allowed to but guess what as soon as I make something back now we're now it's open season boom recon by fire is complete by you now we're in a different situation I've I've entered the game a game that really a game of sarcasm If I don't know you very well and we got a bunch of people around, I shouldn't be entering that game in a leadership position shouldn't be

Can't afford to right now now as we get to know each other better of course We'll will loosen up over time But that's a great point that recon by fire You know if you were to say something sarcastic to me and I either just let it die or maybe I gave you a serious answer You know if you like who thought of this plan and I said actually know the plan is coming down from we we talked to the you know the headquarters and actually here's what we're doing and I just gave you a dead pan answer I would actually just put you in check a little bit yes you know not a jerk about it just answer it seriously that's the plan so there you go if the enemy is in range so are you next one nothing is ever as easy as it looks obviously this

is true and I'll just throw the number three behind that which is everything takes longer than you think and this is something that that that BTF Tony would say he'd say everything takes half an hour you know doesn't matter what you're doing it's going to take a half an hour like yeah oh that's going to take a half an hour everything's going to we're just loading the vehicles yep it's going to take a half an hour to what you'd say if you have kids you know that to be true also yes it might be 45 minutes yeah but you know I've I'll tell you where I fall into this trap is your brother echo Charles yes sir back in the day we'd be talking about something and and I would you know I'd say well just make that you know just make an

app that does that. You know, because he's a, because he's a, I like to call him what he doesn't like to be called. He's a computer programmer. He doesn't like to be called that. He likes to be called a software engineer. Am I right? If I remember correctly, yes. So I'd be like, well, you're a computer program or just program. First of all, he'd say I'm not a computer program, a software engineer, which, you know, I know we don't care about titles, you know, but, but we do care about Sometimes we're getting to hit with that. So I would always just think, we'll just do it, you know, just make it happen, whatever, and it's not as easy it looks.

And especially when you're in a leadership position and you make a little adjustment to how something's going to be done. Just a little adjustment. This is a little adjustment. And I tell this story about I was on an ARG platoon, so we're on a ship and we get tasked with some mission, a training mission. We're like off the coast of California. We got to do some training mission. We got to go do a recon or something. And the first tasking was like, hey, you guys are going to launch your boats and, you know, drive your boats into the beach.

Go over the beach. And we're like, okay, cool. So we start prepping the boats. Now on a ship, that means you got to go get gas and you got to bring that gas down from the wherever. And it's a big, everything's a gut check. So it takes us four and a half hours to get the boats ready to launch. And then, you know, we get a call on the radio. Actually, you guys are going to take Helos.

actually you're going to do a helo cast. So now you've got to get the boats ready to put in the back of a, of a CH 46. Okay, so now we got to bring all the boats from the bottom well deck up to the top. I can't even begin to explain what a pain in the ass this is. It's little stairwells. You're bringing the stuff up.

We couldn't get the elevator. Like there's all these things. Murphy's Law, that big elevator is broken. So you're doing all. So we get, so finally it takes us another four hours to get everything up. there and get these things rigged with chemolites to be launched out of the but you've got to

deflate them a little bit you got to put the air the air canisters in there so you can inflate it with I mean it's a total gut check guess what soon as we're just as we're putting the finishing touches on those limp ducks no hey actually it looks like you guys in the launch by C so the decision that our leader was making which was oh oh you guys want to you guys want them to use the helicopters cool there use the helicopters five hours of intense hard work not one by the way we're not planning We're not doing mission gear prep. We're not studying the area that we're going into.

We're just getting the gear ready. So I call this thing the whip because it just moves a little bit at one end and it cracks everybody at the end. But especially from a leadership perspective to remember that nothing is ever as easy as it looks and everything takes longer than you will think. And that's magnified. I would say fivefold. When you're a leader, there's five times the amount of things, five times the amount of time that it's going to take for these things to happen. What do you got, J.P., you're taking, you're writing something down.

What do you got? Well, I'm writing down my random thoughts and then also my own selfish takeaways. As I just, I've heard you tell that story, and I think we were at an FTX, one of the individual FTX is that we were running, and you were telling that story. And Cody and I, we have used it throughout the years as well, just like, it's a great example. of like not understanding just what doesn't seem like a big deal to you as a leader. It has a massive effect on your team. And the thing that you don't understand, I mean, yeah, you have a good relationship.

You're in the SEAL teams. You're like, hey, this is part of it. But how much of a leadership withdrawal are you making every time you ask the guys, hey, we got to go do this. We got to go do this. I mean, there's part of it where the guys are just going to be like, hey, man, this is part of it. Like, I get it. And we're so lucky and blessed to have guys like,

that in the field teams that are just like, hey man, cool. It's a withdrawal, but not a massive withdrawal. But to some people, that whole thing back and forth is a massive withdrawal to the point where you and I both know, guys, I got out of the military. Oh, yeah. Because of stuff like this that we're talking about. The third time, look, one time, we get it.

Cool. Two times I have. Two times we're like, bro, what is wrong with these people? Three were fighting. The third time is a strike, you know? We're pissed. And you start to think, like, are they messing with me? Like, is this a test?

Like, you know, I just. So now from the subordinate position, so when you're a front line trooper, you've got to make sure that you're actually conveying what's going on up the chain of command. When you say, hey, boss, I just want to make sure you understand something real quick. When you tell us to move the stuff, we have to actually break down the boats that takes us at least one hour. We have to call the ship's crew to set up a chain of people to move gasoline. They have to shut down certain compartments. it's a fire hazard, that takes probably at least an hour and a half.

Well, then we have to go and build these other things. So we just spent 10 hours between these two switches that you just made. We haven't actually started planning yet. I want you to know what's going on because this is not as easy as it might seem. So for number one, like you said, if you have a good relationship up the chain of command, you say, hey boss, hold on a second. I just want to make sure you know how this is impacting us down here. Because a lot of times, they just don't know. They just don't know.

I know it's funny, like sometimes I'll be like, hey, JP, let's do this. And I can tell within one second of looking at your face that whatever I just said is not a good idea. You know, if I'm like, hey, JP, why don't we go ahead and let's do this next run over on that other training site. And I can see that for me, I'm just like, oh, let's go to the other training site. And you're like, okay, okay, just real quick, I've got a bunch of pyrotechnics that are all rigged and ready to go on the first training site. I've got all my role players on there. They've been briefed. It took us 20 minutes to brief them.

And it took them 40 minutes to get in position. The pyrotechnics took about an hour to get ready. And you just want to switch training sites? Are you sure about that? I'm like, dude, I'm sorry. Never mind. Do what you got to do. So that's a good relationship.

It's also making sure that you're paying attention. Like I can tell when I, because I also know that if I was like, hey, here's why. You know, here's what's going on. The leader of this group, they already hit that training site three times before we dropped them from his last platoon. And he knows that little trick. So he's waiting for it. He's ready. we need to do something different.

Like you'd be like, all right, well, no fact. We can make it happen. And then I can relay that to the guys that I'd really be pissed off. You're like, hey, here's a deal. You bring them in. Like they're, it's, there's so much power when you just bring your people in. Hey, bring it in real quick. And you're just sharing information with them.

Like you're not sharing like any, any like insider information, but you're just sharing it from people want to know what's going on. That's where leaders fail all across the world by not actually talking to their people. and you look at this from a like a relationship standpoint with your spouse. I mean, that's what causes a lot of friction at home for a lot of people. I know that's what's caused friction for me in the past of just forgetting like, oh, I need to be very mindful of communicating all these things with my wife. All these things with my kids. And it's the same thing with the FTX team.

And I've done this a few times with the FTX team because I'm, you know, Cody's running all the field training exercises now. And I'll come in and I'll just be completely detached and I'll ask something or, hey, what if we were to do this? And it's funny what you were saying. I've seen that with Cody a few times. And he's so squared away. And he's like the programs are absolutely incredible. And he'll be like, I mean, yeah, we could do it.

And then he'll explain it to me. I'm like, hey, never mind. Like, never mind. Like, we're good. Keep doing what you're doing, buddy. So it's, but the other thing is, yeah, leaders need to be aware of that. But man, there's so much power in leading up the chain of command.

100%. If your people, if you are down in the chain of command and you're feeling this whip effect, your leadership does not want to be doing this to you. That is not their goal. Your bosses are not coming and saying, man, you know what? I'm going to make Echo's life miserable today. I'm going to change stuff. No, that's like that's not what they're doing because they know that's counterproductive to your organization growing and expanding and being able to actually go out there and dominate.

So you actually have to learn how to lead up the chain of command, which is very difficult to do. This is one of the key components of what. why people say don't forget where you came from. Because when you forget where you came from, you're like, hey, just move the boats down to the well deck. And look, let's face it, sometimes there's people that have never moved a boat from the well deck to the flight deck.

They don't even know what that's like. So you can't expect them to know it if they haven't done it, which means, as you said, you've got to lead up the chain of command. Boom. All right, number four, this is kind of one of the famous ones. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. And then I'll just throw in number five, which is there's no such thing as a perfect plan.

So anything that can go wrong will go wrong. This is what will happen. And it's going to happen. This is the definition of Murphy's Law. When we think of Murphy's Law, anything that can't go wrong will go wrong, which means that you have to plan accordingly. And that's why I included the second one here,

number five, there is no such thing as a perfect plan. Now, the perfect plan will crush people, attempting to get a perfect plan will crush so many people it will crush so many people's efforts I'm much more concerned about making a flexible plan than a perfect plan why because things are going to go wrong and we are going to have to be flexible so don't get wrapped around the axle of a perfect plan because a perfect plan is going to come into contact with the enemy which I'll get to number six now no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy, which Mike Tyson said, no fight survived.

No fight plan survives the first punch. Same thing. So we got, we got three, three items right here. Anything that can go wrong, we'll go wrong. There's no such thing as a perfect plan and no plan survives first contact with the enemy. All these to me support the idea that having flexibility is the most positive thing you can do in your planning process. I mean, you were saying the very first one and I literally was writing down perfect plan. And then you said, I'll go on the next one, perfect plan.

That's the thing like really smart people get wrapped up in having to have the perfect plan. And people with really big egos get wrapped up in their plan being the perfect plan. You're like, hey, there is no perfect plan. They're legitimate. And I always ask people, I'm like, all right, cool. Hey, how many people want their plan to be the perfect plan? And everybody raised their hand because, yes, we all want that. And then I ask people, how many of you have ever seen a perfect plan executed?

nothing needed to be modified, changed. Everything from your timeline to the consumption and all these things was perfect. I mean, you guys brought me on board as a first instructor over six years ago. I've been asking this question for six years. Guess how many hands have been raised? None. Because there isn't the perfect plan out there. And people get so wrapped up into it because of their egos.

And that's what destroys people. And then you talk about the morale that you ruin with the relationships with your people. like pushing them to see that perfect plan. And it's hard because we want to find that balance though because now people will get into the whole, you know, people will try to play the flip side of it and be like, oh, so you don't want your people to pursue perfection? No, that's not true. I do want my people to pursue perfection, but they need to understand that like it's the pursuit

of perfection that we're looking for. I want my people to pursue it, to be thriving for it, to try to get better, try to get better, to try to give that. We always want to have that constant improvement of what we're doing, but let's not get wrapped up to the point where we can't execute. Yeah. With a flexible plan comes a flexible mindset. And what made me think of that was when you just said if someone's ego, they're going to stick with their plan. And we've seen that countless times. We've seen it in business. We see it in the military that people have a plan and they roll in there and they don't want to change it. And they just drive that bad plan.

into the dirt. As a matter of fact, I was talking to a military group today. And I got asked if you, when you went into, when you took your task unit to Ramadi, is there anything that you would have done differently from a mindset perspective if you were going into a different theater of operations right now? For instance, European theater of operations, Eastern European Theater of Operation. Is there anything that you would do different from a mindset perspective than you did when you went in your task unit showed up in Ramadi? And I thought about it for a second. And I thought about it a little bit more.

And then I said, actually, no. And I said, let me tell you why. When we went into Ramadi, I didn't go in there. I went in there with an open mind. I wasn't quite sure how things were going to go. I wasn't sure what type of specific operation. Out of all the capabilities we had, I didn't know which one we were going to get focused on.

I wasn't sure how we were going to task organized. And my mind was open and say, oh, this looks like a thing going on over here. And there's something we could add to here and we could help this situation over there. That was my mindset. It was just open. It was the same thing for every deployment that I've ever gone.

Oh, here's the situation on the ground. I don't go into a situation on the ground thinking, Oh, I'm going to impose my thoughts and my ideas on the situation. No, I'm going to say, what is happening. I'm going to ask people. I'm going to listen to what they're saying. I'm going to read about what's happening. And I'm going to go into situations with an open mind.

So when we talk about the fact that anything that can go wrong, we'll go wrong. Well, that means if you have a closed mind, as soon as something goes wrong, you're lost. There's no such thing as a perfect plan. So don't waste a bunch of time trying to come up with a perfect plan. Instead, come up with a flexible plan. And then it's not going to survive first contact anyways. So you have to have an open mind so you can adjust. If you don't have that, that's when things fall apart.

I would say that's the main component of starting something is having an open mind and listening to the feedback. All right. Number seven, incoming fire has the right of way. And what I like about that one is the recognition that this. There are things that supersede other things. And there are things that happen in life, that happen in business, that when they happen, that's the most important thing.

And if you don't pay attention to those things, if you don't understand what incoming fire is, and actually if you don't talk to your people and explain to them what things represent incoming fire inside your organization, you're gonna have problems. So look, it might be safety, it might be customer service,

it might be client-related, There are things that take precedent over other things. I mean how many times at Eschlam front like everybody knows that the the Relationships with the client is incoming fire. It has the priority over everything else if I'm about to miss a flight and J.P.'s about to go to his To a birthday party with his daughter and they're going to a beautiful restaurant and he gets the call that says hey JP you got to get on plane in 48 minutes to cover for Jocco? JP goes, Roger that. Cool. Yep, that's what's happening.

We all know that that incoming fire is the most important thing. So think about that in your business. What represents incoming fire in your family? What represents incoming fire in your family? Is it finances? Is it the relationship that you have with your kids? Because, you know, JP might say, actually, I cannot go. I missed my last two events, three events with my daughter.

I promised her. If JP said to me, I promised my daughter I would be there. Guess what? J.P. would be going with his daughter. That would supersede the situation. And by the way, that kind of stuff has happened. You know, we've had some, you know, things happen where family took precedent over what's

happening with business. We have times where the business takes precedent over family. because those things get prioritized. But everybody understands what the incoming fire is. What is the priority for this situation that we're in right now? So think about that. Sure, on the battlefield, incoming fire has the right away. What does that mean in your business and life?

So it's awesome. You know, before we started the podcast, we were talking about different stuff. And I didn't say incoming fire, but I had a very similar conversation about this with my buddy Josh, in a company in a business that we're starting and then also with my other buddy stephen and Tyler another business like like hey we got we there's some stuff we need to line up and dial in

as as we're getting ready to launch these companies um I didn't say incoming fire but it's like the exact same thing is like hey man we we have to get these things and it actually was prompted just from some of the stuff that we're doing at echelon front and it I'm sitting here laughing and a smile and because I was on vacation when Jamie called me one time on vacation literally driving we're in the Florida yes we're head and I did two Florida. We weren't there yet. Who were you covering for? Was it me? It was going to be for you. What happened to me?

It was the one where you had to charter the private plane to get there in time. You got there 45 minutes prior. Oh, that one, yeah. Yeah, that was a, but I mean, I was. The client never knew. Yeah, they never did. You rolled in there like 45 minutes prior. I went, I went to wash your face, wash my face. Walk back down. Good morning. Good morning. They didn't know I was off. Zero sleep for 36 hours. No, but we were halfway on our family vacation. First one, we had taken. taking a long time and Jamie called me and I'm like cool and it was cool about Amanda and the kids

like it was it was no factor for them either they they understood like that's the priority guess guess what we're able to take these vacations because of Eschleon front but recently I had to and this is like I am like uncomfortable even saying this like you know I'll be 40 in in three weeks that's not what I'm uncomfortable I don't care I think that's awesome I'm you and I're happy I'm like, the fact that I'm seeing 40 is legit. I made it. Chocco didn't think I was going to see 24. Anyways, but I'm stoked.

I'm super excited to be 40. But that whole week, I'm literally, I have gigs that whole week. I'm speaking on my birthday. Like, you know, it's like, cool, whatever. I don't get back until like almost midnight on my 40th. And like, for me and my family, it's not a big deal. But then I got a last minute thing. It was like, hey, need you.

You to help cover down on this gig on the 18th. It's local. And I'm like, cool, no factor. Like, we talked through it. And then when I was talking with the man of the kids, nothing was said, but I could tell. I was like, you know what? I've never done this in six years. Never.

And I called Jamie. And I was like, hey, I'll obviously be there on the 18th to help this other instructor. But if there's another instructor that could do it, like, I would rather them have the money. And for me to say, like, I'm giving up money. You know what I mean? Like, but I don't care about that. But for me, it was like, I haven't to understand like, hey, I needed to actually do that. And now, we're not doing anything big for my birthday, but it's for me to be there.

Like, we're going, we're going to get a cabin, you know, somewhere for a couple days. And it's literally just going to be Amanda. You mean you're going to take care of your family? Yes, I am. And spend time with them. Yeah. I know. And it was, you know, and I called Jamie.

And this is what's so cool about the dynamic that we have at Eschalon Front. I'm, like, super nervous, like, sick to my stomach that I have. to have this conversation. I hate to with Jamie. And she's like, is everything all right? And I'm like, um,

and she could tell something it was wrong. And I'm like, you know, so she probably thinks it's like actually something big. And I'm like, so I tell her and she's like, JP,

she's like, you know what? And then she takes ownership of this. She goes, no, you know what? When you and I first talked, I actually knew I should have somebody else take this.

You didn't need to be doing this gig, but you were, you wanted to and you're all about it. She's like, but I should have known. I should have handled this without you. And then it's, So we're both doing like trying to take ownership over.

I'm like, no, it's actually my fault, blah, blah. But it's funny. Like I actually had to do that. And it was like no big deal. Amanda and the kids wouldn't have cared. But when I told Amanda, hey, you know what? I'm not doing that thing on the 18th anymore. I'll get home around midnight on the 17th.

We can cut out early on the 18th. And we don't have to be back until Monday or Tuesday. Boom. We're fine. And to see the change in her face and her posture and her tone and the kids, The kids are all fired up right now. So it's hyped. It was cool.

So there you go. Think about what that incoming fire is and make adjustments as needed. And the next one is related to that one. Don't look conspicuous. It draws fire. This is an important one. And it's important because think about this when you open your mouth. Right.

When you open your mouth, you're drawing attention to yourself. And that's when you have a decent chance of drawing fire. So make sure when you open your mouth, you're ready for that. And sometimes you open your mouth to draw fire. But if you're going to open your mouth, if you're going to make that statement, then just make sure you think about it and you're ready for it. Don't be an idiot. We had an awesome, awesome stud instructor at Tradeet that came over.

from the East Coast to work with us. And I remember we were teaching guys, CQC and the urban warfare training. We were just sitting there talking. And he just made a comment of the guys because, I mean, you know, it's funny. Like the tactical timies will come out when they're like patrolling up to a target. And all of a sudden now they need to be like hunched over and crunch. And he was like, just walk like a normal human. And he was telling stories of like what they're doing overseas.

And because like other guys were like, well, how did you get from this point of the bank? And he's like, I just walked up to the front door. And guys are like, what do you mean? He's like, I walked normal to the front door. It drew no attention. And then we do what we had to do. I'm like, that is awesome. And that's something Cody and I will teach at the FTX's.

And that's the point that we're getting to is like, don't draw attention to yourself. We'll tell them like, hey, when you're patrolling, just walk like a human. Just walk like a human. And it doesn't draw attention to you. And it's when you said that, I laughed because I'm thinking about this guy. Yeah. So don't look conspicuous. It draws fire.

The next one is never draw fire. It irritates everyone around you. Which is definitely a true statement. And this is followed closely by you are not Superman. Yeah, which is an important thing to try and remember. The younger you are, the harder it is to remember that. J.P. most 100% certain was Superman when we were on deployment.

And there you go. It's important to remember that. So that's followed by if it is stupid but it works, it isn't stupid. Right? If it is stupid but it works, it isn't stupid. So you have those things that you do. You have those lessons that you learn. You have those procedures that work.

Use them. You have a piece of equipment that is functional. Utilize it. So there you go. people get a a lot of times and we saw this in the seal teams for sure there'd be a some some new tactics some fresh tactics some new piece of gear or whatever that everyone's all excited about and before it's even been used people are like oh this is definitely what we got to do and it's like let's just make sure that it makes sense and then the counter to that is the way we've been doing

things sometimes it's it's it's that way for a reason so don't throw the baby out with the bath water number 12 there is always a way and then they have there's two variants of this one one is there's there is always a way and there's another one that says there is always a way and it usually doesn't work so I'm throwing that one out there this one number 13 this is a an interesting one to think about. If only one solution can be found for a problem, then it is usually a stupid solution. That's an interesting,

it's an interesting mindset to have. And what I like about this one is a little while ago, Echo Charles, you and I did a podcast where I talked about the contrarian mindset and utilizing the contrarian mindset to help you see that, there might be counterintuitive ways of doing things. If I look at a problem and I go, hold on,

what if I just pick the opposite of what we're thinking and what is that due to my mindset and maybe I'll see some solutions that I wouldn't have seen otherwise? So I think this to me is like a little bit of a red flag. If my whole team is like, oh, here's what we should do. At a minimum, I go hold on a second.

If that's the only possibility, let me think about it a little bit deeper. Let me and what I would do is use a contrarian mindset to say hold on a second Do wait? What is this really the only way to do it if it's the only way to do it? Why are we doing it? Maybe there's a way to totally bypass this thing. So I think that's just a good red flag cautionary thing if there's only one way only one solution At least take a look at it at least at least try and take a look at it from a from a counterintuitive perspective. Yeah and if you're doing that, I mean, in any position of the organization, if you're doing it as a leader,

if you're doing it as just whatever, it doesn't matter where you're in the organization, you're challenging people to think. You're really challenging the thing. And I remember that's one of the things, you know, when I was at, I've talked about this before when I was in the teams and then we were at Trayda, you know, one of my chiefs said, hey, JPR, our goal is to teach these guys how to think, not what to think. Because combat is dynamic, close quarters, combat is dynamic, urban all the stuff that we're teaching like the combatus program the marksmanship cell that we developed it's all very dynamic we have to make sure we're teaching these guys how to think not what to think and when you're saying that that's exactly what came to my mind was like

no you're challenging people like hey how to think like and you're also you're putting a little bit of a pause in that herd mentality of just everybody jumping on the bandwagon like no this is the way to do like hey we've always done it this way this is the way it works blah blah blah and it's like man that's a it's a dangerous it's a dangerous it's a dangerous just mindset to have and thing to fall into of just like nope i mean look at what you guys are doing at origin i mean everybody everybody was saying like it it just it has to be done overseas because why that's what people had been told so they're just regurgitating what they've been told by their parents their grandparents their aunts and uncles whoever whatever society yeah yes

the whole industry everyone's been told like it can only be done overseas and people buy into that BS because they've heard it enough and they're not willing to think and challenge it and just be like, well, why? Why not? And tell that's what Pete Roberts said. It was like, no, actually, this is what we can do and this is what I'm going to do. And then obviously when you guys partner together, your mindset and mentality is just completely supportive of that. Like, no, like there absolutely is a way to get this done. Oh, there isn't a current way. We'll make a way. We'll find a way. And that's exactly what you guys have done, which is awesome. And it's what we also teach people to do at Echon Front is to think and to solve problems. Hey, things are going to happen in your life that you can't

control. You can't control, but you can always control how you react to the things. You can always control your work ethic, your integrity and your discipline. Those things you can control. And I don't know, sorry, I'm going down another rabbit hole. I just, I like that one a lot because you're really challenging people to actually think for themselves and not fall into the just complacent BS lies that we tell ourselves. Yep. That's all great examples. All great examples.

Next one, number 14, never share a foxhole with someone braver than you. And, you know, this actually when you truly think about this from a tactical perspective, it doesn't make as much sense as it does on the surface. But the basic concept is like, hey, if you're hanging around with someone that's braver than you, then that means you're going to be probably put. yourself in some pretty risky situations. So for me, from a business perspective,

what this is telling you is, you know, do you want to be in partnership with people that have the same level of risk taking that you do? Because if I'm working with JP and JP has, you know, is willing to take massive risk with his finances and everything, he's just willing to put it all out there. And I'm not, we're going to have a problem. So we want to be relatively close when it comes to risk.

We want to make sure that we both have the same risk assessment and the same appetite. That's the word I'm looking. We want to have the same appetite for risk. If you've got a ton of appetite for risk and I don't, we're actually, interestingly, we're actually not aligned, you know, where if you are willing to take a massive amount of risk and I'm not and maybe it's like, you know, you're younger than me and you're like, hey dude, I can fall in my face right now financially and I'll put it back together. And I'm like, bro, if I'm following my face financially right now, I'm screwed.

I don't have another app bat. You know what I mean? Whereas, you know, or it might be the opposite. I might be like, oh, we can, maybe I got more money. I'm like, oh, we can take risk. And you're like, hey, bro, you don't need to mortgage your house. I'm going to have to mortgage my house. And all of a sudden, we're not aligned.

So we want to find people that have the same appetite for risk. And then we can move forward. Because you don't want to be in a foxhole with someone that's like, come on, we're going. Might not be the best call. be careful if you're in there with JP. We're going. Because you're going.

That's awesome. This one, definitely a mantra in the SEAL teams and a strange one, funny one. Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lay down, never lay down when you can sleep. It's one of those things.

And here's the thing. Obviously, if you take the extremes of this, it's like negative, but if you look at it from a pragmatic way, Hey man, if you get a chance to get your head down, get your head down. Yes. Saying that, if you get a chance to take a knee, take a rest, yeah, take it. Leif and I always joke about the fact that by the time we'd go in the field, I would be so happy to go in the field because I know I would be able to get some sleep.

Because prior to go in the field would just be like that planning cycle and briefing and all that stuff. So you spend, you know, all that time. By the time you go on the field, you're like, cool, man. I'm going to get in this building and watch is going to get set up. And I'm going to put my helmet up against this wall. And I'm going to sleep for at least an hour and a half. Yeah. And it feel great.

Yeah. I was laughing because I have programmed my body over the last. I did this quickly working with you guys at Echon Front. So I don't, my first night in a new place, I don't sleep well often. Well, what do we do? We go from city to city to city. So what does that mean my sleep is? It's crap.

It's literally crap. There's been a few times where I'm, like zero sleep before a gig because I just can't fall asleep. I hear just all the different hotel, whatever. And so that's not good. Obviously, you need sleep and you need that rest for recovery. Well,

I program myself to where when I get on an airplane, I can sleep. I can catch a little bit of sleep. I don't sleep the whole flight, but I can catch enough sleep to like, okay, I'm good. It doesn't matter if I'm full of energy.

It makes zero difference. I get on an airplane, doing my thing. When they start getting away from the gate, I literally go. Like I start, it doesn't matter. And when we were flying here last night,

I mean, it's early in the evening. I'm not tired at all. I drink a go on the way to the airport. Like everything's good. We start backing up from the gate. And my wife, Amanda,

is laughing her butt off because I'm sitting there like, just like a little toddler. Just like, yeah, my heavy eyes. I'm like, my head nodding. And so I'm like, screw it. I just put my seat back out cold. Get up to elevation. Ding, whatever. And then I'm like, okay, I'm good. Get the computer out. Start working, reading, whatever, talking with her. Oh, you only sleep during like the takeoff? So as soon as we start backing up from the gate, I put

my seat back. I'm out by time we're going down the runway. I get up to elevation. It's like a good 20, 30 minute power nap. I'll sleep. And then I'm up there. But here's the other thing. When we start the descent, my body starts doing the same thing. So I sleep again. There's been a few. where I woke up as we were touching back down and I'm like, oh, my body obviously needed that sleep but it's when you're reading that, I'm like, that's why I was laughing because I've just, it doesn't matter.

I will sleep on a plane because I know I'm not going to get it the first night in a hotel. Like last night in the hotel, like, no. Yeah, I sleep on a plane. I sleep on planes all the time. Yeah. I get the window seat. I put my head up against the window.

Boom. I'm out. What? Oh, now we're landed? Cool. Let's rock and roll. The only time it kind of sucks is when I do the, when I fly east from the west coast to east coast

because I'll fall asleep and I'll try not to but I'll be like nope I'm falling asleep and then then if I have a nap like that yeah you can't sleep really hard for me to fall asleep yeah Cody does the same thing Cody will be out the whole time coming from Sacramento when we go out to Michigan for our FTXs or any on the East Coast I'd be like so do you fall asleep like yep and so he'll be up

all night and it's just that yeah cycle but That's why I like when I have work to do because then I get, I'll just do the work. Then you power through the work. Yes. Same thing. What's like what we tell like I'm sure you or your wife did. I know Amanda and I when we tell new parents like everyone's heard this.

Hey, when your kids are napping, you should nap to. Like if you have new kids for the first time. If your baby sleeping, go to sleep. Yep. Because when you're trying to sleep later, it's going to go, like, oh, just feed me. Nightmare. That's that. That's literally it.

If you got newborn. Kids never sit when you can sit never sit never sit when you can lay it out and never lay down when you can sleep Like that's that's the that's a newborn kid Tactic and it also is important for a you know when you're when you're working When you're deployed when you got stuff going on man you get five minutes eight minutes Take a quick power now you can go the distance I also look at this also from the person of just seizing the opportunities that you have in front of you like you know We're gone a lot a lot we're talking about this before we started recording and

I love it. I love the opt tempo. I don't want it to ever change. But when I'm home, I also know that I'm not as home as I should be with my, with my wife and kids. And I've been trying to be more mindful of like just being 100% present. Now, there's work I have to do. And they get that.

Like, hey, I also have a lot of work to do from home. But like the other day, I was doing something. And it was something that I could do later. It didn't need to be done right there. And Corr was like, hey, dad, can we go for a bike ride? I'm like, no, I got to get this done. And she goes, okay. And she, you know, she didn't.

And I was like, Hey, go get your helmet on. We're going for a bike ride. I will stay up late tonight and get whatever done done. Yeah, because when you're asleep, I can do this stuff. When you're asleep, I can't go for a bike ride with you. And so her and Nola were just so, wait, what? We're going to go for a bike ride with you, Dad?

I'm like, yep, go get all your stuff on. And so they're getting all their stuff prepped. And it was cool. You know, we did a little three-mile bike ride and they were just so happy about it. And that stuff that I did and that I could have been doing. No, I can go do that later. 100% 100% Next one

If your attack is going well You are walking into an ambush Very Complacency Very good mindset to have With anything When things are going well You should be looking around

And say okay What's happening The would go quiet and you'd see depending on the attitude of this platoon the opt for go quiet you'd see the platoon like oh they'd relax then i'd walk over to like the platoon commander the platoon chief and i'd go hey man where's the enemy right now and they'd be like i don't know they they they broke contact and i go yeah they're maneuvering and you could see the look on their face they're like oh damn like of course so i always think when there's a lull in fire the enemy's maneuvering that's what's happening

you're going in on attack you're walking and there's nothing going bad you're walking into an ambush, pay attention, complacency kills. And this is a similar one. The problem with taking the easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it. You know, that easy path, there's a decent chance. It's easy for a reason, you know, the high ground that looks all ripe.

You want to get up there? Yep, there's a reason. The enemy probably is thinking the exact same thing and they're going to be ready for you. And then this is another similar one. Actually, all four of these. There's like a group of four. The other two are the enemy diversion you have been ignoring is their main attack.

So when you're looking at your competitor and you're like, oh, they're just doing that to try and throw us off. No, actually, that's their main attack, or at least it could be. And the last one is the enemy only attacks on two occasions when they are ready and when you're not. And I guess actually this one goes into it as well. When you have secured an area, make sure the enemy knows too. Because when you're like, oh, yeah, we're good. We've got this area secured. The enemy doesn't necessarily agree with you.

So all of these are kind of wrapped around the theory of or the idea of complacency. You know, if you are thinking things are going well, what can you do to improve your position? I had that guy that Etsil Team 1, we used to do this run back in the day we called it, Coronado run. It was like that's maybe a six mile or seven mile or but all those streets that we'd be running on are 90 degree angles. And so one of my buddies who was a really good runner and he would like be competing to see who he could beat. And when he would turn that 90 degree corner and he'd be out of your sight for a second, he would run as hard as he could to increase the distance.

you'd turn the corner and see how far he was like you break your morale so that's a good thing to do that is incredible yeah i used said this that story before and i love it like i just love hearing that when he told me that i was like oh it's such a good idea just like turn the corner and break their freaking morale but all of those things of of keeping moving forward improving your position not thinking that everything's going to be okay when you're not ready to attack when you're not ready for their attack that's probably when they're going to attack that's probably when they're going to These are all just keeping a proactive default aggressive mindset at all times. I used so you shared that story with us

October of 2020 when we were doing our all hands thing down in dripping springs and I've always known that mindset and had that mindset but then when you told the story it was very like for me and I've been doing that in jiu jitsu since You know, I don't get to train very often. Like if I train four to five times in a month, like that's a good month. Just because I'm busy and the priorities. And it goes back to that priority thing. Like, hey, I could go train every day I'm home or I could spend some time with my wife and

kids and try to work on the marriage and family and then also find training when it's there. It's just when it's just not that top level priority for me right now. So but with that being said, so I'll go train and the, you know, the gym I train at and in Dollars Fort Worth a double five is, I mean, it's, it's awesome. I mean, a slow Wednesday noon class, there's 13 black belts there with 40 people on the mats. I mean, we've had up 17, 18, 19 black belts, a high level black belts at a noon class on a Monday, Wednesday, or Friday.

It's, it's amazing. It's amazing. That's like, uh, I, we had a crew in there the other day and I posted a picture of everyone. I just wrote no easy rounds. No easy rounds. No easy rounds. No easy rounds in there. There was no resting.

I wanted. And that was the day. We were leaving. I know. And you're like, hey, you want to train? I'm like, looking at everybody. I'm like, yes, because everybody in here will murder me. And I wanted that.

Anyway, so the mindset where I'll do for Jiu-Jitsu is like, I'll be getting trashed. Like, these guys trash me. But you know who's the first one to stand up after that hard round? Me, every single time. Yeah. Like, yeah, you just completely trashed me, but I'm going to stand up. And just for that mental mind. And I actually, one of the black thoughts is like, bro, you know what really messes with me?

He goes, I can beat you. But you make it really hard. He goes, and then you just stand up like it's no big deal. And he goes, aesthetically, I look better than you, but you get up like it was no factor. I'm like, I'm just playing mind games with you. And he goes, I knew it. I used to when I was training a lot of MMA fighters and we'd be putting them in the shark tank, like multiple fresh guys and all that. They'd get done with a round.

And I don't stand up. Stand up hands up. Yep. Stand up hands up. Like stand up. Put your hands up. Like you won that round. Like you won that fight every single time.

As soon as that bell goes, stand up hands up. And you'd be surprised how hard that can be for people. There's a lot of times they don't want. I mean, you see it in the UFC. You'll see a UFC fight. You should absolutely 100% when that bell goes, especially that last one, that last bell, the fifth round or the third round. When that bell sounds and the ref steps in, you should stand up, hands up 100%.

Because those judges are watching you. And you got to show them, I'm not tired. I could go more rounds, whatever. Yeah. And it doesn't. Everybody knows that they should do that. But you see it only has it doesn't always happen. Yeah, I'll walk around and be like get up grabbing guys like pulling them up pulling them up One of my one of the black belts I train with Weston

He's just a stud I love watching him compete He's very high level and he's always like we'll be walking around and he'll see me doing it He'll be like he'll get up real quick. He's like I don't want you to grab me and Just you know and let me do your clear Weston Trashes me like like there's literally nothing I can do them But it's that mental game that we play with he's like I don't want you you to get to me when I'm sitting down, which, you know, and he's competing and doing very well. And now it's the point we're like, even if guys can't stand up, I don't let them lay on their back. That's a complete sign of defeat, like submission. When you lay on your back, you are literally accepting complete domination and defeat. If you can't stand up, at least roll over me

on your hands and knees. Like at least get to that position. And I was telling him when my buddy's out. I'm like, he was laying down. We got done doing a workout. I'm like, get up. He's like, I can't. I'm like, roll over here. Okay, he rolls over and I explained to him why he goes that actually makes a lot of sense and I actually feel better now But it's just when you're like laying on your back, come on man. But think about that. I can't. Of course you can get up. Yes, you can. Of course you can. If you can talk, you can get up. Stand up hands up. Yes. That's what we're doing after the rounds. Stand up hands up. There you go Uh, next one here. Number 21 left to themselves. Things will go from bad to worse. Yep. That means that the chaotic situation is going to get worse.

The bad relationship you have with one of your coworkers or with your boss, it's going to get worse. It's not going to get better. The firefight that's going on is going to get worse. The disruption in the manufacturing line that just happened, it's going to get worse. This is why what we teach is being default aggressive. You've got to go in there and solve these problems. They're not going to solve themselves. So the hardest one I think people have is the hard,

And if they learn how to frame hard conversations in a positive way, they're actually not that hard. So the classic example, J.P's late instead of me saying, hey, JP, you were late, I'm going to write you up. No, I say, hey, JP, I noticed you were late. Is everything okay? And all of a sudden, it's not a hard conversation at all. And yet J.P. knows that, hey, I can't be late. Cool, done. So we got a whole bunch of that stuff. But that is what we're talking about. The earlier you have a hard conversation, the easier it is. And then we can actually take ownership and have a positive. mindset and learn to speak things in a positive way, you will be able to have, you'll to make even really hard conversations easy. Yeah, I wrote down default aggressive. Yep. You know, just getting in there, handle that problem, having that hard conversation. And we all know that nothing gets better if you just let any problems that you ignore, they don't go away.

They don't get better. Like, they get worse. And by the way, for that one person that's listening right now that's like, you know, actually there's sometimes there's a time to take a tackle pause. Yes. You're right. Cool. But that's an actual decision that you're making.

And sometimes it's like, oh, you know, two of my employees are getting angry at each other, but they're only discussing it. I'm going to let to see if they can resolve it. Okay. But you pay attention. That's a conscious decision that you're making. We get it. We understand that there's a time for a tackle ball.

I usually say seven out of ten times action. Action beats inaction. Three times. It's better just to hold on a second. Let me see what's going on here. Let me watch. Let me. In fact, in the SEAL teams, we teach.

you've got to let the situation develop. We actually teach this. Sometimes you've got to let the situation develop. The better you are, the less you have to wait for that situation to develop because you can already identify what to do. But sometimes you've got to let it develop and see where it's going. Because you don't recognize the Oudal loop that you're in.

Now the more experience that you have, you see things formulating. You're a lot faster because you're detached. It's like having a high ground. If I have the high ground, guess what I can see? Everything. If I'm on the top of it, of a building with my sniper rifle, I can see everything that's going on around me.

If I'm not at the top, if I'm not detached with that higher perspective, I don't see what's developing. So that comes from experience and time and training and all that stuff. And yeah, you got to get out there and solve those problems. I mean, I was what we were talking about earlier, both of those two separate businesses I'm helping start up. Both of the guys that I'm working with are being super default aggressive right now. Josh, printing company, he's being super default aggressive to get all the,

this stuff set up like hey because we were just talking like hey what if we can't get this what if we can't get this what do we need to do and he goes yep yep yep yep step step step step with little cattle coat with the beef thing he like not getting responses drives to the processing place and they're like nobody's nobody's done that before he drove there to have a face-to-face conversation to build a relationship to shake hands with these guys and guess what we now have we have what you need we have exactly what we need because that was a problem not getting responses like hey man if we're getting ready to process this beef we need the ability to actually do it and instead of just being like well no one's responding he drove hours in Texas

to go in hopes that you know and because he was able to do that be defile aggressive it's because that problem is not going to go away by itself ever so there you go go. Number 22, if you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed toward you. So if you're not familiar, that's a Claymore is a Claymore mine. It literally says on it front towards enemy and you're supposed to point that thing where the bad guys are. If for whatever reason you go out and you set up your Claymore and you don't remember if you did it right, you did it wrong? And that's one of those things where, you know, did you leave the oven on?

Yep. When you're driving down, you know, and you think, did I leave the oven? on you left it on did I leave the iron on you know on my shirt yep you left it on so assume that you screwed up because you probably did it's weird how you do things without and the first time I noticed I remember I was a new guy and we're like doing CQC what we used to call CQB close quarter yeah then it got turned to close quarters combat but back in the day when it was CQB we actually had We had a new guy who's a great dude and everyone had to write their own bullets for their evaluation.

And he wrote, you know, went through C cubed B, like C to the third power B. And it's the funny thing is, it's just because he just didn't know. He just heard us talk about CQB. You thought it was CQB. So we like, you know, of course got him T shirts that said CQB and whatever else. That's amazing. But what I remember is going into a room when I was. a new guy and like going through the you know the room or whatever and then going oh my god i

didn't put my weapon back on safe i hope no notices and then i realize oh my weapon is on safe oh i did it without thinking about it you're like oh there's going to be some muscle memory happening here and that's a positive thing but it's also a little bit it's a little bit strange to get used to you know unless you have that those mechanics down that then you can make mistakes and it's good to be able to detach enough to check yourself to check that muscle memory that's happening and be like Cool, yep, I'm unsafe. Yep, here's what I'm doing next. But you will definitely train,

you can train some things to a point where you do without thinking. And that's why you leave the house and you don't remember if you turn the oven off. To go against Murphy's Long, you probably did shut it off. You just don't remember it because it's instinctive. I mean, how many times you do that with your weapon?

You do a press check, press check. Put in your holster, grab, retain, retain, okay, yeah, it's retained. You know, it's just habitual. As Pat Macs says, make it habitual. Rock and roll. And then like it late at night before you go to bed

you check all the doors Yeah, same deal, right? It's like, oh man, you just checked the one But you kind of forgot that you did it You go back checking it okay, I did Yeah, same deal. There you go. It happens, man.

The perimeter of your property, you're like, well, no one was there, but we're just somebody's there now. Here's one. No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection. No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat. And look, you know, obviously you've got to have discipline.

You got to make sure things are squared away. Here's what here's the here's the takeaway from that one. And like like all these things are written to be funny and they're funny because they have an element of truth. I probably should have pointed that out of the gate. What makes them funny, what makes them catchy, what makes them fun to read is that they have an element of truth in them. So obviously if there's a combat unit that is all dressed.

up in their starched camis and they're polished boots they're not ready for combat and they're not going to they might pass an inspection but they won't pass combat vice versa you take a unit that's just been in combat in the field there's no way they pass the inspection because they all are you know all jacked up so to me the the important thing to think about here is what are you focused on what are you focused on what is your business focused on what are your what is your team focused on from a leadership perspective Are you focused on the right thing? Because if you're focused, if you're getting ready to go into combat and you're focused on inspecting people's boots and inspecting their haircuts, you're focused on the wrong thing. If you're in business and you're in manufacturing and what you're focused on is how you set up your shipping with products that you're not ready to make yet, you're focused on the wrong thing.

So make sure that you are focused on things that are pertinent to what's actually happening. No one cares about being ready to ship things that haven't been made yet. Especially when we're not even able to ship things that have been made. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. Make sure you are focused on the right thing. Number 24. And by the way, these numbers, you're going to look at these. These are my numbers.

I organize these things and you can tell I kind of put them in. groups. I think I got most of them in the right groups, but these are, if you're like following along with some other Murphy's law, you're not going to be matched with mine. So before you go to 24, on that last one, I'm just thinking, how many times, I know I've done this a lot as a parent, like how many times do you think parents are out there violating that one, like just making things a bigger issue than they are with their kids? Oh yeah. And that's a great point. So how does a parent remind themselves of that? Yeah, I'll tell you how you read Murphy's laws and you go, hey, like, No kid that ever did perfect in this arena ever was successful.

You know what I mean? Like, what are you going to make your kid good at? You're going to make your kid good at studying for a spelling bee? Or you're going to make them good at interacting with other human beings? Yes. Look, the spelling bee is cool. But if you're like, no, I don't want you hanging around with other kids because you've got stuff to study. Okay.

You're going to have a kid that knows how to spell. I'd rather have someone that knows how to interact. I'd rather know someone that have a kid that knows how to learn. I'd rather have a kid that knows how to defend himself. Like, so great point. What are you focused on? You should make sure that your kid is ready for life. Life.

To be competent in life and not to be competent in, look, spelling, look, I'm not trying to bag on spelling these. I get it. It's hard. Them kids can spell. And I'm a terrible speller, by the way. English major. Thank God it was English. I had to read and not like spell.

I'm not a good speller. And I don't care. I don't care. I got spell check, homie. I was just to say we have technology on our side now. But, you know, whatever thing you think might be the most important thing for your kid and you if you're gaffing off a bunch of other important things. And even like school, school in general, if your kid sits around and studies all day

and they don't, they're not involved in athletics, they're not interacting with other people, they're not getting social interaction, they're not learning about, you know, how to support themselves financially, all those things. So be well-rounded. Make sure you're not focused on stupid things Like passing an inspection. Do you want your team to be able to pass an inspection? Yep.

Yeah. Is that going to be the main focus? Shouldn't be. Yeah. I'm on performance. I want my kids to go out there and dominate in life. And look, you kids that are into spelling bees, cool, good. That takes a lot of, you've seen how much those kids study?

No. It's like I watched a documentary on it on spelling bee kids. I mean, it's impressive. It's very impressive. It's very impressive that they do that. And there's obviously life lessons that come from the spelling bee about perseverance, about discipline, about trying to achieve excellence, trying to achieve perfection, as you mentioned earlier.

And if your kid has a gift for it and they're into it, okay, let them go. Yes. If they're not into it and you're fulfilling your spelling bee dreams, thank you. Please don't do it. And by the way, if you're fulfilling your jihitsu dreams or you're fulfilling your football dreams, or you're fulfilling your Ivy League college dreams through your child, just check yourself. Just check yourself.

Actually, check them and make sure that they're aligned with your goals. Yeah. Because if they're not aligned with your goals, then you're not doing them any favors. I'm thankful my dad was that type of dad because my dad was really good, really good football player. Like really good football player. and I had some of his same teachers when I went to the same high school and I remember they're like,

you don't play ball like your old man? I'm like, probably not. And that actually like bothered some of the teachers. Yeah. So one of the teachers, it kind of bothers me right now. Did not like me because of that. And I finally played football my junior year

because you know what? You know, it was cool. The idea of it was cool, but I also wanted to do it because I really know that my dad wanted me to do it. I did it, cool, whatever, did that one year. Just wasn't my jam.

Like I wasn't like very good at it. I didn't really like it. You played one year. Yeah, but I wasn't like passionate about it. You know, I really enjoyed, I was doing adventure races. I really like doing kickboxing and wrestling and that type of stuff. And then I told my dad, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to play again. He goes, cool.

Like, it didn't bother him. And he's like, well, what do you want to do next year? I'm like, I don't know, water polo. And I played water polo. And I wish I would have started that my freshman year because I did it one year. and did very well in it. It's like, dude, you're in the pool and you can fight.

This is awesome. But my dad was super cool. And I'm thankful because like not a lot of parents are like that. It's like, no, you're going to do this. And then they create the animosity. You got that fast twitch genetics too, man.

Like, played running back one year. Yeah. Like you and your dad. We were talking earlier. I was talking to Jason. Yeah. Jason Kleeful. Yeah.

When I think, so your dad must have been 50 at the time. And he was training a little bit of jih Tzu and like we rolled. And you know, I'm thinking like, of course, I'm probably like 35 at the time or whatever. And I'm kind of like, yeah, I got to go easy on the old man. You know, I don't want to hurt him. This dude grabs a hold of like my head. No, he was 45. 45.

Yeah. Yeah. He grabs all. And I'm looking at him like, hey, this guy's an ancient, you know, old man. Yeah. He thought you're so old. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, I better just, you know.

But he grabs my head and like tries to rip it off. And I was like, this guy is 100%. fast twitch muscle that's what and that's what he's made up construction his whole life for sure at that time he's doing a lot of brick and block work you know yeah and so he's just I remember he would grab two center blocks like with a pinching method not like grip but where they're side by side and lift them up by pinching them and would sit there and he's doing that all day all day but he would sit there and talk with you all he's doing that and you're like how are you doing that so he starts

doing jihitsu but yeah so so there you go don't impose your dreams on your kids I'm guilty. I imposed a lot of Jiu Jetsu dreams on my kids when they were young. And I should have been a little bit more, I should have been a little bit more open to let them find their own path. And eventually they did find their own path. To back to Jiu Jitsu, praise God. They found that path back to Jiu Jitsu.

Yeah, all of our kids love it. Aidan's really enjoying wrestling. And as a parent, like I was trying to figure out that for, like he'll be 17 in a few weeks. And he's a Jewish. And next year he's senior year and he's gone. Like I don't know what he's going to go do. I mean, we do know.

Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, J-Jitsu. And he's going to keep wrestling. But, uh, and he'll keep doing J-Jitsu. But like for the career path, you know, like as a parent, you're like, man, I want my kids to be successful. I want them to win, but I want them to be happy. And, you know, it's like as a parent, like I couldn't be more proud of him right now

because what he's pursuing what he wants to do is he wants to go in the ministry. Our church has a college program where he can go through this college program through our church, get it together. and like go into the ministry and our church has a mentorship program for it. It's just like the FTXs that we do in regards. They put people in different positions of leadership and they rotate them through and they debrief and they talk and they do all. It's a really cool program that they have and he's, that's all he wants to do.

He wants to keep wrestling, do jujitsu and then when he graduates, go into the ministry. And this is a cool thing. I want if this is what he wants to do, I want to do it. But I think he wants to do it because of what I used to do and what. we do an echelon front. He asked me, he's like, hey, this is so awesome. He goes, do you know in the military, can chaplains carry a machine gun? Because he said he wants to get his degree ministry, work at our church,

and then he wants to go to the military to be a chaplain, but he wants to carry a machine gun. And I'm like, well, you know, by that point, who knows? I don't know, bud, but let's just, you know, focus. He's going to be a chaplain that identifies as a machine gun. What's cool about that is at a young age, when you have a program, that's what, you know, for you, for me, guys that went into the military to young age is like, it takes all your random energy that you have and testosterone that you have and just focuses

it. Here's what you do. Did you know, I found this out the other day. I was talking to one of my buddies and he said the below age of 20 making it through Bud's basic seal training. is 5%. Sweet. Yep. So like you and me, Jason Gardner, like, yeah.

We were young. You know, we were, I think, cowie. Cowie, yep. So it's a, it's a low number. And it's just a matter of maturity, you know? Like you don't, and there's a physical aspect too. There is. You know, like when you're 18 or 19 years old,

you're not fully developed yet at all. Like you give yourself four or five more years, years guys that are 24 23 24 years old going through basic children they they have much more of their man strength at that point for sure now you might not be healing up as quick as you freaking young jaco young jackey just like whatever legs broke compound fracture it'll be okay it'll be all right monday uh check sorry i derailed that one no it's what i was gonna say about your son is like oh here's a path that you can get on you follow this path and And life is good.

Life is good. You follow this path, life is good. You go in the military, you follow this path, life is good. I think in the old days, too. Old days, I don't mean that old, but even nowadays, you might know more about this,

Echo Charles, but the number, the average career path now is like, you change jobs every two, three years. A normal person right now changes job every two, three years.

Like a, that's like a normal kid. Graduates college three years ago has probably already had two different jobs. Yeah, it's crazy to me. Back in the day, it was like, oh, you're going,

to work for Ford and you're going to be there for 35 years period in a store. You're going to work for IBM. You're going to be there for you're going to work down at this, you know, at the water treatment plant and you're going to be doing like I have that friends that went into that. I think I'm a little bit more of the generation that was like, oh, you get done. You get a job at that company in that factory, in that power company, you know, whatever that job that you go into, that's what you're going to do. Most likely at that company, most likely for your whole life. Yeah. And I've thought about that a few times because, I mean, you know, I did just under 12 years in the Navy. You know, we've talked about why I've got out and, you know, the decision I made was the right decision for that time of my life.

Even though I loved it, I still wish I was in, you know. But I remember when I was working at that financial company, you know, I was like, cool, I'm going to do this until I'm done. Because I just like, I thought, like, cool. And then, you know, a few years into it, things are shifting and changing. And I'm like, yeah, maybe I'm going to do my own thing. and then and I felt really weird like leaving that because I felt like I was like I shouldn't be doing that and then coming on with Eschlein front I'm like cool I'm literally good until the day I die you know until you getting lay for like hey no more homie like I'm like here

and we talked earlier like I have other business that I'm starting and investing into for the purpose of like I want my kids to have something to earn to be a part of there is nothing else I'm going to do other than Eschelon front in regards to a career like this is my life yeah we just had that this is everything for me we just got to ask that question on the underground podcast like hey you know jocco what do you think you're going to be doing you're 60 or 70 years old and i was like oh doing jih jit surfing speaking writing doing the podcast uh talking to companies about leadership like that's what i'll be doing yeah um i won't be traveling as much eventually that'll throttle back for me yeah uh

but that's what i'll be doing not any time soon jack keep booking it keep booking the gigs All right. Number 24, the tough part about being an officer is that the troops don't know what they want, but they know for certain what they don't want. That's a very interesting commentary about human nature. And it's true about people. Like you try and impose something on something that people don't want, they're going to tell you. They might not know what to ask for, but they're going to know, hey, here's a conversation.

My wife will have with me. This is me, too. my wife will be like what do you want for dinner i don't care what about this place no no right that's like i do that all day long with my wife you just raised the blood pressure of how many million men across the world that are listening right now and how many million women are just laughing right now so that is true it's going to be it's always going to be harder that what that does is it makes it the job for you harder when you're in a leadership position because you're making they can't sometimes they can't quite tell you what it is that they want to do or how they want to do something

But when you tell them when you make it a suggestion they don't like your suggestion So trying to find that balance is an important thing and Leading them down the path by asking them earnest questions instead of imposing it's gonna be a better better option You know if my wife was to say well what kind of mood? What kind of food are you in the mood for now? She's leading me to say Well, I'm looking for something different tonight like a rib eye. I'm supposed to her prime rib.

Yeah, as opposed to her prime rib. Next one. Number 25 here. Every command that can be misunderstood will be. Yep. That's why we do readback. That's why when I texted JP, hey, this is what time we're doing the podcast tomorrow. This is what we're going to be talking about.

JP texted. Roger, I copy. We will be meeting at this time at this location. And the topic will be this. And I text it back affirmative. There's no misunderstanding there. No. That's why we have the read back.

And when you think you, man, when you think people understand things, they just don't. They just don't. Listen, there's things that would, when, when I walk into the room, I think JP understands something. He 100% doesn't. Now when I tell him, now I think, well, since I told him, you understand it. He 70% doesn't. When I explain it to him pretty detailed and I think he's got 100%. He doesn't.

He's got it now. There's still 30% he doesn't understand. I've got to sit down, make sure he fully understands it and then have him say it back to me in his own words, and then we're good. That's the way it works. The minute you assume that people know something or understand something or understand how you want something done,

there's going to be some, there's going to be some delta in that understanding. Radios will fail as soon as you need them. Yeah. That is a bizarre one. That is a bizarre It's like a UFO What's it? Unidentified flying object

What's that a phenomenon? Sure. Right? This happens so much That it seems like it's a phenomenon of life Like the minute you need Really need something to happen Through radios, they're not going to work

The minute you really need to get a text out For some reason your phone's not working. Oh, I have went from being connected to Wi-Fi and five bars to his SOS on. my phone. I'm like, what is going on right now? I'm in my own house and I'm on SOS. I'm like, what is what's going on? Dude, I know where your mind goes. That's happened to me a few times recently. We're all of a sudden I'm like, EMP just happened. Activate the plan. Hopefully, man and the kids done to make the way back to the house and we're going to roll.

Move to rally point seven. Yeah, rally point seven at this point. That means you got to come up with plans for no-coms. In the SEAL teams, we have something called a no-coms plan. That means if I haven't heard from JP by this time. I'm going to move to this position. I'm going to look for a visual signal. If I don't get a visual signal, I'm going to move closer and look for another visual signal. If I don't see it, I'm going in and I'm going to make contact at a certain position. So we have what we call loss of comms plans or no comms plans. You should have that for everything that's going on. Everything with your family. I mean, and this is not like to scare your family or scare your kids, but this should actually provide comfort to your family and your kids.

Amanda knows, hey, if something happens and I'm on the road, if something happens crazy and I'm on the road, you stay at the house and give me two to three days. There's zero chance. I do not make it back to my family within two to three days anywhere in the United States unless I'm dead. And she knows that. I'm like, if I'm not there within three to four, five days, I'm dead. This is what you need to execute. Yeah.

And this is what you need to do. And this is not like a fear mongering thing. It's like, hey, we're going to be prepared just in case. And we've talked about it with our kids. Hey, if this happens and, you know, like, and obviously the tone tact and delivery when you're talking with your kids about this needs to be completely different than with your buddies and your, you know, your friends and your and your wife. But like our kids know, like, hey, if this happens, like, okay, like this is what we're going to do as a family. This is the other families that we're going to go link up with and, you know, and this is, this is going to be fun. It's going to be a little adventure.

Yeah. It sure is. It's gonna be fun for us. He knows a deal. He's like, dude, that boy just wants to be a part of something. He's six foot two hundred and 183 pounds right now. How old is he? He's 17 and two weeks.

And he's six foot what? Six foot two, 183 pounds. We're in size 15 shoe. It's a man child. It's not a child. 15 shoe? Size 15 shoe. That's fun to try to find.

One of, yeah, that's always, he's wearing like the dorkeiest shoes anyone can because he's got like the last. No, there's good ones now. Oh, really? There's good brands out there now. You know James Nielsen? Of course. James Nielsen, he's one of our black belts, old school black belt, but he had like real big feet. Like every time you show up, you'd be like, bro, somebody has kicks, so we're like,

no, there's like, there's like, there's good brands now. Like Brooks running and I think there's a new balance also, like it goes up to 15. So he's good. I mean, they still look funny out because they're such big shoes. So the thing is, is he going to grow more? What are they saying? Yeah, it'll be six four to six five. Dude, yeah, because one of my old teammates,

who was my roommate for a long time, but he was 5-11 when he went to college, and he got like D2 scholarship offers for basketball, and he didn't take him because he was like, I'm just gonna go get my education, whatever. I'm obviously not gonna be able to play pro. He grew five inches in college, graduated six, four, came in the dames.

Dang, that's awesome. That guy could do any athletic pursuit, like a, like a beast. So there you go. That's going to be interesting. Six, five. Yeah, six. Size 15s is no joke.

Yeah, his hands are huge too. I mean, he's lifting at school because it's part of the wrestling program. I mean, we have a full, you've seen an art setup at the house. It's awesome. He's starting to get a little more intrigued in it at the house as well. And, you know, man, I'll be like, hey, man, you know, how many times, you know, you've heard Jock would talk about, man, if I had this setup when I was a kid, you know, and so he's now starting to, dude, man, if he starts, like, lifting. Oh, yeah. It's because he's on testosterone because he's a 17 year old kid.

Like the people go on testosterone so that they can have the testosterone that your 17 year old son has. I'm on testosterone for the rest of my life because my body doesn't produce it so that I can be able to maintain that gap as long as I can't. I know it's going to have it. It's fine. Whatever. He's going to be jacked. I got the old man's strength though. I will say, you know, never read the comments.

You heard this? Yes, I have. I read comments. I like it. But I had to read the comments about there was a, Jock Fuel put up a video of my gym, my home gym. And so people were commenting in one of the comments, you know, people are like,

oh my God, I can't believe that's a home gym. Because my gym is pretty legit. It's amazing. But someone wrote, your home gym is better than my gym gym gym. That's amazing. So I like that comment. Pretty good, good one.

Number 27, anything can get you killed, including nothing. Again, I talked with a military unit today, and I was talking about how you be worried about things that you can control. And you said this earlier today. Like, don't worry about things you can't control. Concern yourself with things that you can't control. Because anything gets you killed, including nothing. So get over that, the element of chance that happens in life, that happens in business.

You know what? You could have a fire in your factory tomorrow. And if you focus all of your effort worrying about something that could low, low, positive. Possibility happen, but it could happen, you're wasting your time and effort. So don't let that happen. Number 28, if you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will get more than your fair share of objectives to take. This is known. The harder you work and the better you perform, the more responsibility you're going to get, the more in my mind opportunity you're going to get.

you know I'm gonna do a squared away thing when I was a young there's another thing I was talking about today with this military unit I was the youngest and most junior guy in my first two seal platoons what did I do everything that I could take

charge of I took charge of you know I was a radio man so that meant I was taking charge of all those radios if there was a communication plan to come up I was gonna make it's gonna do take charge of as much as you can and you're gonna get more to take charge of which is good

so you know, this is a Murphy's law thing and this has said sort of you know, tongue in cheek like, oh, if you work hard, you're going to get more work. They're looking at it negative. I look at it positive. Obviously.

Yeah, I used to get so mad. I never expressed it on the outside. Never let a client know. But at the beginning, working with the echelon front, I would always ask like, hey, what's the worst thing that can happen if you're the only person that takes ownership?

Because I just want people to think, Like, okay, like, what's the worst thing that's going to happen? And there's always be like this one person, like, you're going to get more work. And I'm like, yeah, that's a good thing. Because guess what? You get to solve the problems. You have control over the thing that you're complaining about that nobody else is fixing. Like, that's a good thing.

And guys and gals would push back. But yeah, but you have more work on your plate. And on the inside, I would want to like, I was like, I'd get combative because I hate that mindset of just like, just I'm going to do the bare minimum. I'm going to be super lazy. And so I would realize like, oh, I'm not framing this question the right way. Or I'm not given enough like enough information so that they can see like, hey, this is actually a good thing. But, you know, as we have the conversation, you pull the thread,

all those people eventually would be like, all right, yeah, you're right. Like there's nothing bad that's going to come from me taking ownership. I'm like, hey, if you don't do the work, does a work eventually need to be get, does it need to be done? And everyone always like, well, yeah. I'm like, so is there the possibility? that the work could be put on your plate because it needs to be done? Yeah.

Okay. And since you've waited so long to do the work, is it in a better situation than if you would have just taken ownership, been default aggressive, and started solving that problem sooner? And they're like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I want to do work on my terms. Yes. Not on anybody else's terms.

So I'm not going to wait for someone to tell me what to do. I'm going to make it happen. And by the way, when I take ownership of this project, that no one wanted to do and I get it done and then I get tasked another project and I go okay hey boss I'll definitely get this thing done by the way I need two people here to support me I need those two people

from another other team that isn't doing anything I need them with me okay cool yep you got them why because you're performing all of a sudden I've got a team and we're doing work together my life is actually getting easier I'm having more influence over my world more influence over accomplishing the mission why because I took ownership so yeah there you go

number 29 if everything seems to be going well, you have overlooked something. I suppose I should have put that one up with a complacency department. But again, really smart to not get swept up by the mob. The mob's all high-fiving each other, all congratulating each other and what a great job you did and what a great job the team did. You should be the one as a leader. And by the way, you could be anywhere in the chain of command looking around going, okay, what do we miss? How can we improve our position right now? Where can we move? How can we get better? The easy way is. are always mined we already covered that wait the easy way is always mind is that kind of the

same as yeah if it sounds too good to be true it usually is kind of a thing yes yes for sure very similar um that's where i there were some repeats in here as i pulled from different lists i can see i put that one in twice pretty much and this is another similar one try to look unimportant they may be low on ammo and again this is this is one of those like tongue-in-cheek ones you know the military is filled with people and with a whole genre of humor of avoiding work, you know, skating as much as you can. As a matter of fact, there's a, I found some acronym for skate. And it's like, you know, S-K-A-T-E. And it had all these things, you know, sneak away when you can. And Kay was like, keep your name off of volunteer list. It had like a whole thing. One of them was like, don't

take responsibility. Anyways, there's a whole genre of military responsibility. Yeah, avoid, I think that actually was it. Like it's like a void responsibility. It's funny I was going to cover it on the academy because each one of them is like the counter to the principles that we teach. So, but there's a whole genre of humor in the military and it probably, you know, was, it existed in World War II.

It probably found its home during Vietnam where you had a bunch of draftees that were like didn't want to be there. So there's a whole genre of military in there, of military humor that's, avoid work, skate as much as you can, and this is one of those. Try to look important.

Try to look unimportant. They may be low on ammo. This is an important one. Professionals are predictable. It's the amateurs that are dangerous. We know this from fighting, right? Jiu-Jitsu white belts. They're never going to beat you.

They could definitely hurt you by doing something stupid. And after they hurt you with your hurt ankle or knee, you submit them, put them to sleep, and then you got to go get freaking, you know, ice pack because this idiot threw an elbow into your eye socket because they were spasened out and doing something that was totally unpredictable. So, yes, professionals are predictable. It's amateurs that are dangerous. This includes, like, people that you're working with, people that don't understand the,

if you bring in people from other industries, which I totally support, They might do things that you don't predict. So pay attention to that. If you have competitors that are new in the industry and you're calling their shots, maneuvering to keep them in check, they might do things you didn't expect because professionals are predictable, but amateurs can be dangerous. Number 34, a sucking chest wound is nature's way of telling you to slow down. Now, what I like about that one is...

The humor. Well, yeah. The dark humor. Obviously the dark humor. But this is also JP getting a call, getting a mission tasking the day after his 40th birthday where he's been on the road for a week. And looking at his wife and saying, yep, hey, that weekend we had planned, we're going to cancel it because I got to go do a gig. The look on her face is the sucking chest wound. Okay.

Maybe she didn't give you that look. Go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say, in her defense, there was no look, but I knew. Yeah. I just knew. So you felt the sucking chest wound yourself. I felt it.

Right. She was detached. She was normal face. I just want to be this very, very clear. My wife has been amazing since day one. Like, cool, you're going to miss our anniversary again?

Whatever. Awesome. Oh, you're missing me having surgery. Sure. Can you just fly my mom in to help take care of me while you're gone for two weeks to an FTA? Like,

she's never once complained about anything. And all those things I said are factual things. I know. I felt it. She was normal face because she was like, oh, I think he'll heal. Yep. So I just want to be on my wife's defense. There you go.

But yes, you're right. That is 100%. It was like, hey, you know what? You need to slow down right now. You need to slow down. So pay attention to that. The sucking chest wound, when you're working yourself to a point where you hear your freaking lungs going, you see frothy blood.

coming out of your wound. That means you need to take a little breather. Yeah. So take a step back, take a little bit of downtime, slow down. Next one, tracers work both ways. And that's a good one,

because it's very similar to that, when we saw, what was that first one that we went over? You know, where it was like, you're going to get, oh, if they're in range,

oh, This is a similar one. Tracers work both ways. Also, this means when you, to me this is talking about, and I talk about this in leadership strategy and tactics, giving away your position. Yeah, we're on the fire, giving away your position. Yeah.

Silhouetting yourself in a window. Yep. When you decide during the meeting to stand up and say, this is what I think, all of a sudden, everyone knows where you stand. And now they're formulating arguments against you. And by the way, they don't think you're on, you know, if JP is saying we should go north

and I'm saying we should go south, and instead of me listening to JP and saying, hey, well, why do you think we should go from the north? And he says, well, he got this, this and this. Instead of, if you say, I think we should go from the north. And I say, well, I actually think we should go from the south. All of a sudden, we're arguing with each other. All of a sudden, you're not listening to me.

So what am I going to do? I'm not going to use my tracers where you can see exactly where I am. And I'm not trying to be manipulative. What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to keep my mind open and I'm trying to keep your mind open. That's what I'm trying to do. The minute I let loose with some tracers and you, you can see exactly where I am, all of a sudden you're going to aim your tracers right back.

I mean, we're in a gunfight now. But if I don't shoot and I just say, hey, JP, why do you think it would be better to attack from that position? Your mind is not shut down. My mind is not shut down. We can have a conversation. We can actually come to the best solution.

So try not to give away your position, people. Number 40. If at first you don't succeed, calling an airstrike. And here's what I like about this one. Again, these are great because they have these little tongue and cheek kind of humorous and there's some element of truth in it. But if you're trying to do something and it is not worth working, try a different approach.

This is something that, this is a scenario that you and I ran so many times we're running urban training. So we got our seal platoons out running around in an urban environment. and we would set up a building that was going to be impossible for the seals to be able to take down this building. It was going to be impossible. Seals can do anything. No, they can't. No, you put five barricaded shooters in a building with booby traps.

They're not going to be able to take it down. The more they stay there, the more people are going to die. And eventually, if they stay there and continue to try and take the building, everyone will be dead. And we would see whole platoons get wiped out by two. or three barricaded shooters. Why? Because if at first you don't succeed and you run into some real resistance,

maybe you should try something else like backing out of the building and calling it an airstrike. So check your perspective. If you're trying something and it's not working, what are some other options? You know, you weren't at this FTX.

Dave and I were doing it with one of our clients and we ran a scenario similar to this. You know, we call it the murder bridge, very similar to a barricaded shooter scenario. And we get done with it and we debrief, we stop the run out in the field, we debrief it right there so they can see it. We try to do that as much as we can on these field training exercises.

And like, hey, if we can stop while we're out there to talk through so you can see the environment, you can feel it, they really tie it in. And this point, when you mandate that they stop and they are forced to take their head off of their gun and look around and detach and see what happened, It's a very good learning moment. So powerful.

It is so powerful because we stopped. I mean, they were in it. They're shooting their laser taggers. They're just in it. They're in it. They're in it. We stop it. They pull back.

And we hadn't even started the debrief from this one guy goes, son of a bitch. He goes, that's a channelized area. I'm like, yeah. I was like, are you in the military? He goes, no, but I know enough to know. That's a bad situation. So we're kind of laughing.

We're going through some like different stuff. and then like I'm like sitting there like listening to all the people's going oh I can hear that I can see that like they're they're literally seeing everything and we're not even giving them anything and then we explained to them like the situation like hey this is what we have here this is what's going on and this one girl goes I have an example from from work that this is exactly what we're doing David and I were like okay what's up and she's like we're coding something We were working on this code problem. We couldn't figure it out.

And we kept working on it. And she goes, you know, we just kept working on it. We kept throwing more people, more resources. We kept working on it. They were working on this one coding problem for seven months straight until somebody finally came in and said, hey, we don't need to be working on that anymore. It was just absolutely bizarre. We're sitting there like, dang, she goes, this is exactly what we're.

She's like, we're in murder bridges every single day. Horrible. Yeah. So get a different perspective. Don't code. Don't try and fix one small problem coding for seven months. I might push that up the chain of command and say you've hit a roadblock that you can't get around. What are some other options here? Number 41.

Make it tough enough for the enemy to get out to get in and you won't be able to get out. I'll say it again. Make it tough enough for the enemy to get in and you won't be able to get out. The reason this is in this little grouping is because when you dig in and you make your, you get defensive in your position, you're not going to be able to move anymore. The minute I say, it's JP, you don't know why. You don't understand my plan's better than yours. Your plan's stupid.

The minute I say that, I just put myself in a position where I can't change my mind. Well, I can if I can go from that extreme ego issue to being like, hold on, JP, you know what? This is my ego talking right now. I actually am an idiot. Explain your plan to me. I think it's better. But most people don't get to do that. Most people,

they dig in to a point where they can't move anymore. Don't paint yourself into a corner. And don't paint your team into a corner, right? Don't put so many parameters on them that they can't make adjustments. Doesn't make sense. So be careful that. If you are short of everything, but the enemy, you are in a combat zone.

Again, a little dark humor with that one. Here's one. Never forget that your weapon is made by the lowest bidder. And again, that, of course, is like classic tongue and cheek situation. But here's the thing. No matter what you're doing, you're not, your equipment, your resources are going to be wanting. No matter where you are.

You're going to want better resources. You're going to want more people. You're going to want more money. You're going to want better gadgets. You're going to want better advertising supplies. You're going to want better marketing materials. No matter what you're doing, you're going to have to work with what you got, even when it's made by the lowest bidder. And the number of times that J.P. to Nell turned to me and said, hey, Janko, I'm doing the best I can.

but this weapon system is made by the lowest bidder is zero, right? You don't blame your weapon. And this is set up to be an excuse. And what I'm telling you is that's everyone. That's every company. It doesn't matter. You go to any company in the world. And there's like someone in one department who's going, hey, I need more budget here.

I need to hire more people. I need more resources for this. Every company, Apple, Google, Facebook, doesn't matter. Tesla, space. There's someone in a department going, I need more resources. Yep. So your weapon is made by the lowest bidder. We get it.

And guess what JP did with that weapon? Dialed that thing in and made it work a lot. Wish it would have been more. That's like the, we've talked about this multiple times. I mean, you can make excuses or you can make things happen. You cannot do both. So I mean, and you look at that also. Like, again, like the whole tongue and cheek thing.

But even the lowest bidders, they're still damn good. Like the stuff that we had access, not some of the stuff I get it, but the principle of what you're saying is like, hey, work with what you have. Stop making excuses. Go out there. Like, if you go out there and actually work and take action, then you're actually going to get some stuff taken care of. 100%. That's it. I hate the victim mentality because I played that.

I played that victim mentality. I mean, we've talked about on the other podcast when I got out. And I sabotaged everything in my life. And I just because I did it and I saw what happened and I'm so thankful from the grace of God that I was able to actually read extreme ownership, take ownership of my life, get my marriage back, get my family back. Like it could have been a completely different picture. I don't think I'd be sitting here or I would be one of those numbers in your phone where you wouldn't be able to call if I wouldn't have taken control over my life again. And I hate the victim mentality because it ruins everything. And that's from the double man.

He wants to destroy everything in our lives. Yeah. If we had the opportunity to have like the alternate universe, and we got to like snap our fingers and see, you know, you snapped yourself out and got control and took ownership of your life. Like 100%. it's really sad. I mean, if you play out the,

hey, I'm going to keep blaming other people, I'm not going to take ownership, I'm going to continue to be a victim of what's going on. That's a, that's a, and what sucks is you and I know people like this. Yeah. I mean, it's terrible.

And that's what's, that's a problem that's plaguing, well, it's plaguing the veteran community in many ways. Yeah. You know, because people just, oh, you know, it's this, it's that instead of saying,

okay, it's me. here's what I need to do to fix it. So that alternate universe, we should actually do a drill of that. Like at some point we should sit down and be like, all right, let's see where you are at and let's paint the picture of where you end up. Well, the scary thing is like how many years down the road

are we planning my funeral? Because that's what it would have been. Yep. No, I know. We take it to the end. Yeah. We take it to the end. We take it to the,

you know, drunk driving vehicle wrapped around a car or the, you know, drink yourself to death or whatever, whatever it's going to be. Yeah. But, you know, obviously for me, I think alcohol is a huge one. That's why I immediately went to like alcohol related deaths. Yeah. But we know that it's a that once you go on that downward spiral, that that road is not long. Yeah.

I mean, and I know a handful of people and we know that have, you know, taking ownership and gotten themselves into rehab, man. And people that go to rehab for drinking, I have so much respect for them. Because, dude, alcohol is as bad of as drug as all the other ones out there. I mean, if not worse than some of them. Yeah. Actually, alcohol is worse than a lot of them. Alcohol is one of the few drugs.

I think it's only one other drug that you can't quit cold turkey without medical supervision. So when you, when someone's a true alcoholic, if they stop drinking cold turkey, they can die. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, alcohol is very, very destructive. And that's one component of, it's probably the most exacerbating component. Like, you know, Echo, one of the earliest podcasts we did, you said, hey, working out an exercise is something that will truly help every single aspect of your life. It's one of the most beneficial things you can do as a human.

It'll help your mindset. It'll help your mind, actually. It'll help your health and fitness. It'll help your outlook. It'll help your energy levels. It literally helped. And by the way, when you have higher energy levels, it'll help you. You do better at work.

You're cooler to be around. Oh, you have a little pent up aggression. Oh, but you work out now when your wife does something that frustrates you, you're like, oh, I already worked out. I'm too tired to cause an argument. So I'm just going to like, it literally helps everything. You look at alcohol. It's like the opposite.

It's like just exacerbating problems, making things worse. You're not sleeping as well. Your mind's not functioning as well. You're irritated because you don't feel right. This is just bad. So there you go. But it's legal, so it can't be that bad for you. I'm sorry.

I'm just, yeah, that shit makes me mad. And I'm not acting like I'm this saint that doesn't drink. I don't drink as much as I used to. I actually haven't drink for a while. I just stopped again. I was like, nope, not going to, you know, because I saw like what it could open up again. And I'm like, no, not going to happen, you know. And, you know, I had some people close to me that I love that decided like, hey, you know what, I'm done.

You know, like, I need to go to rehab. And, like, that was. impressive, like to completely take ownership and recognize, hey, you know what? Like, if I keep doing this, like, everything's going to fall apart. Like, I can't make, you can't make these decisions if you're not of a sober mind. And that's biblical. You know, I mean, that's not where we're going. But like, how, you know, you have to have that, you know, just that clarification, that clarity.

And if you're drinking, you're not going to have that. You're not going to have it. And it's just, it's cool when you see people that actually decide, hey, you know, I'm not going to drink anymore. Like how much better the lives get? Like, it's, that alone should like, be enough for people to be like, you know, I don't want to drink anymore. You know, I get, you know, so for me, the slippery slope was like, oh, you know, I'll have some wine with my wife once in a while. And that's the only drinking I was doing. And then it became, oh, you know, we'll do this and this.

And then, you know, I was at a common mutual friends of ours, like, was retiring. and man, you were there and I was just, I got hammered because I was with a bunch of team guys. No, I, you know what I mean? I did. Actually, it was something I didn't want to talk about because it's embarrassing, but we're there. So I opened up the door.

Oh, wow, J.P's showing way too much, maybe. But, man, I got hammered that night. Yeah, you did. And you were there. And I was literally, and then it turned into like a bunch of drunk team guys and we started fighting each other. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't like of any ill will.

Well, but we were literally fighting in a bar at a nice hotel making a lot of people nervous around us because now it's a drunk team guys literally fighting each other. And you didn't care because if you would have, you would have said something. Well, I was doing a little, I was doing a little big John McCarthy. I was doing a little refereeing. You know, like making sure things. You know, like look at the bouncers or whatever. Like, are we good? Are we okay?

You okay with this? I got it. You know, just making sure you're okay. Give me another get this round's almost over let them finish this round And it was like after that I was like man and I think it was the fact that you didn't say anything to me that bothered me the most Oh really? Yes, why is that? Because I knew I did there I wouldn't have been that drunk Oh, okay. Why why should I be so hammered in front of you my wife friends like is there ever an act actual need for me to be that hammered.

If there is, it's your friend's retirement. I'll give you that. I'm, you know, I support your, I support your statements. Okay. Yes. Probably, and let me, let me, let me, let me say this. Probably the reason I didn't even think to say anything is I'm like, hey man, one of our friends just did whatever it was 24 years or whatever in the teams.

They're retiring. You flew out. This is one of our brothers from task unit bruiser. Yeah. A like, this is a monumental, a monumental, moment in time. And I was like, dude, by all means, I didn't even think twice about it. So yes. And I agree with you. The opposite spectrum of that is you are also there and you're not drinking. You didn't need to be getting drunk. You weren't getting hammered. And you had

as much fun. I'm not had a little more fun. I don't know. You might have woken up with more of a bruise on your elbow or whatever it was. Yeah, there's a lot of bruises on all of us. The next day, group text between us and they're like the three guys that someone smacked their head like hard no he did like the kind of thing that you're like oh yeah i was like hospital which the closest hospital smack on the head yeah he talked about that the next day okay sure the other dude is like bro my whole back's bruised up you mother like it was just i mean it was funny i love that stuff but here's a deal the drinking wasn't necessary to have that fun it wasn't necessary and you know i just i i even know what started us down this rabbit hole of drinking. But, you know, for me, it was something

like recently where I was just like, you know, I saw enough people in my life that I really cared about that I loved that I look up to that were like, I don't drink anymore. I don't drink anymore. I don't drink anymore. And I'm like, I don't need to drink anymore. So I haven't. It's been a while. And my birthday is on St. Patrick's Day. Yes. And your name is Jeremiah Dinell. Yeah, Jeremy of Patrick. Patrick Dinell. That's right. Yeah.

And guess who will not be drinking on St. Patrick's day this year? I won't. There's no, why? Because you know what? The next morning, you know what's more important than me drinking a bunch of Jameson and Gingerales? Or, well, first of all, I'm not even getting home until close to midnight. So what am I going to get hammered on the airplane by myself? That's, you got a problem.

That's what you're doing. You know? So I'm not going to drink because, one, we don't drink on the road. We don't drink when we're traveling on the road. When I get home, it's going to be close to midnight. You know what's more important than me drinking some Irish whiskey on my birthday is waking up early to take my kids on that trip for sure You know and that's yeah and being engaged with your kids instead of being freaking hung over and Catching a you know when you're in the car or in the plane like oh, I'm just gonna go to sleep instead of being like hey, let's whatever

Let's play some game. Yeah, road trip game. Yeah, whatever there you go cool The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire Is incoming friendly fire really scary thing on the battlefield really scary thing you know definitely Anyone in task unit bruiser would have rather been lit up by the enemy than lit up by friendly and and just about everyone did get lit up by friendly at some point Obviously these stories are in extreme ownership But what what's interesting about this one and the reason I thought about it from like a business perspective and a and a person perspective is the outsiders aren't going to hurt you as bad as the insiders can. The people around you that if they decide they're going to throw shots or they're going to do

something nefarious to you, they can hurt you worse than the enemy can than someone that's outside the, you know, someone inside your company can hurt you worse than somebody outside your company. Someone inside your family can hurt you. worse than someone outside your family. So friendly fire is more accurate and more devastating than unfriendly fire. And this is why we talk about relationships. Because when you have relationships with people, then your chances of having friendly fire is going to go down.

Can it happen? Yes, it can happen. You can have people that you have good relationships with that choose to do things that are going to be, that are going to hurt. It can happen. You can actually, there's some people that just, that's what their nature is.

That's what their nature is. And you do your best, and they're still gonna, they're still gonna take their shots. And I mean, obviously once somebody has, you know, done the friendly fire thing and they've tried to harm you

from inside the inner circle, you know, they're obviously not gonna be in there anymore. And that's the way it goes. But, That's why the relationship thing is so important. That's why, you know, making sure you're keeping those lines of communications open is important to make sure if someone's starting to feel frustrated

and you start, they think they're starting to head towards a friendly fire situation. You understand where they're coming from. Because there's nothing worse than your friends, your family, your coworkers attacking you. Nothing worse than that. Yeah. I'm in a group text with three other of my buddies.

We started the Jesus. and jiu-jitsu thing. Not thing. It's a ministry, but we started that group. And so the three of us are in a group text, and we were just talking about a bunch of different random stuff. And I had sent, like, I saw some side of the screen captured it, and I sent it to the guys, and I was like, hey, this is not to you.

This is for me. And it was like accountability. And my buddy, Stephen comes back, and he's just like, he's like this, Cliff knows version of what he was saying. He was like, man, he goes, think about what we do. to our kids when we don't show them how to love their mom as the way Christ wants us to. And it was just this like gut punch. It's like, man, when your kids are in the room or even in the house, they may not fully hear what's going on, but they know what's going on.

And if you're not showing your significant other, like, if you're not loving them the way like Christ tells us and commands us to love our spouses in front of your kids, you're showing them what. they should do and what they can do and what's okay to happen to them. Right. And so me with my twin daughters like, hey, like I'm showing them how to be treated and I'm showing Aiden how to treat a woman. And it's just something that I fail daily. And trust me, I'm not trying to be up here. Like, hey, man, we got this work. I fail at this. But it was just this reminder of like, gosh, man. Like, it's so easy for me to have friendly fire with my wife, with Aiden, with the kids, with my friends, because it's just, it's easy and it's so dangerous because you're actually causing a lot more damage

to the people that are closer to you. It's just, man, it's a, it's kind of a sickening thing when you really think about that. You know what's crazy is like, you talk about having friendly fire with your wife, like, or treating your wife in a way that you know your kids would, would see in a negative life. Imagine someone else treating your wife,

that yes I know it's like like you know the time that you snap at your son and you're like and and all of a sudden you're like if I if another adult like it to my kid yeah I would be so that's a good thing to think about now listen you do you you have certain privilege as a as a parent that's on that you got to tighten some shit up but yeah so that's that's that's that's another way of thinking about it as well yeah I knew I messed up one time when Amanda goes hey if someone talked to me the way that you just talked to me. You would beat the shit out of her.

She goes, pre-echelon front JP, what would happen? She'd be in jail for murder. She goes, you would murder? Like, no question.

I'm like, and I'm sitting there, and I'm trying not to laugh like you're laughing because I'm like, I'm noticing, I'm like, you're right. And she goes,

why? I'm like, I don't, I'm sorry. I had literally nothing to say the other son. I'm sorry. And she,

goes, you're so good with your words that it can also be a really bad thing as well. And she goes, I know this is something we need to work through. And, you know, again, and she was like, hey, I also know I provoke it in you sometimes. And she goes, and I know what I'm doing. She goes, if you can work on it, I can work on it? Like, can we please work on it? And it was like one of those things. But it was the way she said that, she goes, if someone talked to me like you just did.

And this was pre-eschelon front JP. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, well, that's, that happened to me with my wife where I went. when I went to college. And so I'd been in the SEAL teams my whole adult life. And then I finally go to college and now I'm not around any SEALs. And so what do you do when you're in a platoon?

I was in a platoon my whole life. So now all of a sudden, when you're in a platoon, you're just every weakness you see, you're gonna attack, you're gonna make fun of everyone. You know, you're taking digs at everything, anything mistake of someone made, you're gonna hammer them. And so, you know, that since I didn't have that outlet anymore, and I thought that's just the way,

that was just the way you did things, you know, I'd come home and be like, you know, hey darling, can you give me two gallons of water to drink as I eat this dry chicken that you made me? So this went on for a little while, I didn't even notice it. And then finally one day she goes, she goes, hey, I'm not a team guy.

And I immediately, I was like, oh damn. I was like, your, I was like, hey, got it. And I was like, check. And that was it. I realized she's not a team guy. She doesn't you don't you don't sit there and you know throw jabs at your wife She doesn't think it's funny she doesn't think it's funny and you can't let that happen so there you go Friendly this is connected one friendly fire ain't you nothing friendly about friendly fire and here's the last one

Important one Cavalry does not always come to the rescue Which is very true You can't be really on the cavalry to show up and save you. You can't be relying on next quarter. That next quarter, you're going to get the funding that you need at your company.

You can't rely on your wife adapting her personality to be able to take jabs better, verbal jabs better. You can't count on that. It's not going to happen. Would it be nice? Sure, it'd be nice, but you can't count on it. you're the one that has to make adjustments the cavalry's not coming you got to make things happen

you got to own it no one is coming it's all on you so there you go those are some uh lessons from murphy's law and you know i think i think what these really boil down to is no matter what you're doing no matter what arena you're in no matter what you're trying to plan or what you're trying to execute, make sure you always account for old Captain Murphy and Murphy's laws because they're there. That's where I'm at. Speaking of which, speaking of worst case scenarios, speaking of doing battle, speaking of trying to execute, we got to be ready. Yeah. Echo Charles. I'm going to rewind a little bit, but oh, we got questions, comments from the Echo Charlie, Boha. The friendly fire one, more accurate, is the most accurate.

That one's actually like a big thing, obviously. It's a big thing. I'm going to introduce you to my world yet again. So you've watched Commando? Yes, with Arnold. Yes, sir. So that's it. I know it's crazy.

That movie seems so dumb to me that I've never watched it. That's why it's so good. Yeah, one of the many reasons. Yeah, exactly right. I'm not one of those people. Well, actually, you kind of are, Because here, let me tell you this. So I watched Commando and I think, I'm not one of those people that finds real dumb things real funny.

Okay. Or whatever. Or real interesting. It's the now when we look at the quality of movies. But back when it came out, it was awesome. With all due respect to both of you. What year did it come out? 84.

Oh, damn. Actually, that's my guess. I'm surprised. I was born in 83. Yeah. I wonder if it came out while I was already in the Navy. It might have. Well, you figure Rambo was 85 in part two.

So Commando was about the same thing. This was in the 90s, man. No, no, no, no. Commando was not 90s somewhere. I think it was 80, like either way. Here's why you're wrong. I watch it with my son twice, by the way. And both times, he was like, oh, that's Jock.

So you are that guy, by the way. That's A. B, it's, I think these things are like a sensationalized ideal. Same thing as Rambo, right? Where it's like, oh, yeah, like this guy's unbeatable. all that stuff. Okay, so we've come to accept that. That's why we like it.

I think even if you watched it, if you could suspend some of the, what do you call it, disbelief and accuracy, all this stuff. Let me ask you this question. Again, I was just diving in stuff.

Predator. Yes, sir. Is a known movie to me, and it's a good movie, right? Yeah. Great. Are those on the same level? No, no, no.

They're a different kind of movie. Okay. Different types. So I'm just making sure that I wasn't, like, Predator is kind of seen as like, okay, this is kind of a classic sort of, you know, that's a Rambo type movie like Predator Rambo those are those are a level of acceptable cool

I'm agreeing with you. Predator is like like okay Red Dawn is over here with Predator like these are all time kind of classics I think so yeah not called it ain't no Apocalypse now it's not full metal jet those are the next level yeah right okay that was like tier one right then you got like the tier two is maybe these are even like tier three but these movies that you're talking about over here, Commando. Yes, sir. That's not one of my movies.

I need to watch it again. Maybe it's just because I, dude, with my dad allowed my brother Corey and I had to watch Commando with them. We used to play Navy SEALs. And now like Army Commandos and Army Raim, like we used to play all these things. So maybe that's like the big thing that I remember.

I mean, I would think you did command. I mean, he did something that you think that you can actually do as if an airplane is going down, you can like guide yourself to a certain area. I mean, bro, on takeout. On like takeoff, like he finds his way Kind of make that happen. Makes his way down to the bottom of the airplane

And as the landing gear is coming up, He's there and he jumps off into water And makes it happen. He starts his start watch and knows that he has a certain number of times. So there's viable realism in the movie. Yeah, absolutely. Jumping out of an airplane into a water field landing While doing your stopwatch,

knowing that you have a countdown Before they find the guy that he killed on the airplane. I mean, it's a good plot. Yeah, very. All right. We ruined some of it just now. Yeah, spoiler, a little bit. Okay.

Yeah. So. No worries. You're watching Commando with your boy. Yeah, from many times. Okay, many times. But I'm saying the friendly fire is the most, what do you call accurate? Yeah, because that's really what that movie was about.

There's friendly fire in there? So Bennett, right? Bennett, the main bad guy. Is Arnold Schwarzenegger? No, that's John Matrix. Okay. Yeah, you see this relation, right? John Boy.

So I think he's familiarly and started with a G2, by the way. On the side note. But either way, Bennett, the main bad guy, was a former. team member of John Matrix. See what I'm saying? And at one point he said, yep, when he kind of thought he had the,

had the advantage, he was like, your training, my tricks. See what I'm saying? Yeah. There you go. It's a thing.

It's a thing. What do you call it a phenomenon? Yeah. So the way your son thought that I was commando? Yes. John Matrix? John Matrix, yeah.

I got to tell a funny story about his son. So his son, you guys were over at my house, and my wife was there. and my wife has a broom at her house that looks like a witch's broom. But it's the one that she actually uses

to like sweep up. And this is maybe like a year and a half ago. So your son was a little bit younger. But I looked at him just deadpan. I was like, she's a witch. And he, like I saw immediately, like his eyes got a little bit big. First of all, because he doesn't know me.

So when I'm just being serious, I'm like, she's a witch. This is like her brum. He won, tell me he, did he 100% believe? Yes, he did. He 100% believe that she was a witch. And she was like, no, she's like, oh, I'm not a witch. And I was like, they always say that.

They never tell you. And he 100% believe that she was a witch and that was her witch's broom. So talk her down a little bit. Yeah, that was the kind of like, my wife has gotten better about taking jokes as, you know, we've been married for longer. But it was funny because I see what I saw what you were doing. And that's how this motherfucker is. So the more that his wife would say like, no, I'm not, he would just use that to prove his point more. You know he'll do that to you?

So even, which actually brings me to my second point where you know how you were like about drinking and getting hammered or whatever? And you're like, oh, he didn't say anything. That that kind of bothered me more. Yeah. Because John, I don't know if he did it at that time, but he'll do that shit on purpose. He wants to like haunt you. That's why. He's like haunting you.

So he said he did do it on purpose. He says he didn't care. But me knowing that I shouldn't have done it was what bothered me. And there's just times like, I've told this to Jocco-Lay. before I'm like, hey, I would, I just want, sometimes I didn't need you guys be really direct with me. Like, I'm good with that. I like that.

But I don't even say that because he knows that. I know that he knows that. And that's why I'm saying that. I'm good with that. Oh, yeah. I already know what he could use against me. And I'm fine with that. Just haunting, man.

You got to watch out. But yeah. So these are, these are notes, you know, in the spirit of me understanding all these things, you know, things you got to look out for, obviously. I've wanted to do Murphy's Law for so long. I've been wanted to do these for so long. I was stoked when you told me we were doing it. like oh god now I can finally do it you know I was like man me and J.P.

are always talking about the heaviest I went I was like going through our podcasts and I was like dude we've done like the heaviest this topics so I was like man we get to get in there and like talk about some stuff that's a little bit more educational yeah than diving into the darkness so does this mean I get to change my muster talk yeah you can yeah you can talk about whatever we want at the monster round I can talk about whatever I want you you guys would be I'm just kidding I'll change it up and then right before you're like hey actually I think you need to actually just do this other actually you're gonna do this

okay cool Roger that what did you have more spirit of knowledge that you wanted yeah okay so drinking is kind of like bragging remember we're talking about bragging right the other day yeah it's like hey we're not drinking how about that we're not drinking just to clue jp and we were on a podcast the other day and we were talking and talking about bragging and he's like is there ever a time when it's kind of okay to brag or even good to brag. And I'm like, listen, I'm not gonna speak in absolutes here, but off the top of my head in the next 30 seconds,

or in the last 30 seconds, I have not been able to think of a moment where it's like, yep, the right thing to do right now is to brag. That's gonna make things better. So maybe you can think of one. And I even went to the point, I stretched and so like, well, there's times where it's good to brag about your team, but you're still not bragging about yourself.

You're bragging about your team. There's times where yes, that's gonna happen, that's gonna be good. You know, the boss doesn't quite see, the work that they've done. It's like, hey, boss, I want to let you know that. So bragging about your team, yep. Trying to find a time where it's like, hey, the move, the good move to make is to brag about yourself.

I couldn't think of any situations. Yeah, that was essentially it. And really, man, I thought about a little bit more later where I'm like, hey, wait, under these and then, but even no matter of the circumstances, if you introduce the two options of brag, no brag, no brag all day, pretty much, pretty much across the board. Would be telling somebody that you quit. drinking do you think that's bragging though well it depends on your intention so i agree yeah so if you're just like stating the fact because of you know and it's relevant then yeah a lot most of the time but yeah it's going to depend on the intention well i i'm i figured that's what we go with that

i was curious because my uh my buddy stephen his church just did this fast he did 40 day fast of no he didn't eat any food like where he had to chew so he could do liquid so no training of food for 40 days that's pretty crazy was he allowed to have more okay yes oh he's not He went through a lot. No, no, no, no. He went through a lot of points of moxed. But that was saying. But, you know, we said that, yeah, for sure.

Not being able to chew on a stake in 40 days dropped out. Like not being able to do any. So he did that. Yeah. But his thing was he also didn't tell people. Okay. Because what you don't want to be doing, it's like, like, like flexing. Yeah, flexing.

And that was like, you know, like, like, oh, look at me. I'm, I'm fasting. I like that. I'm fasting. I'm holier than now. That's what the Pharisees did back. the day like hey let it be known we are fasting for spirit you know it's like you're taken away from the purpose of that fast and that was stevens though i thought was cool it was like he would

he wasn't telling people it was just like he's doing his own thing and we went to a group dinner and you know it was just like he's like you got any molka but he like he told like uh the guys yeah we were there because they didn't know he was fasting he's like hey i just man i don't i don't want to bring it up but i also don't want to be weird letting be the only person that doesn't eat. He goes, hey, I'm, you know, I'm on a fast with my church. It's a 40 day fast. I appreciate being here at dinner, but, you know, I'm just liquid only. And both the guys were like, man, that's really cool. That's awesome. So it was his intent. He was making sure. And I was just curious though the whole, like, I think it's, I think it's powerful. It can be powerful. Like,

when my brother decided to quit drinking. That's, you know, when he was, you know, it can be powerful to tell people that you're not drinking anymore because now it might trigger for somebody else. with like, you know what? I don't want to drink anymore. I don't need to drink you more. But if you're just like, hey, oh, you're getting hammered. Yeah, I quit drinking. I'm better than you.

Yeah, yeah. You know what this all boils down to? Echo Charles? Yeah. This all boils down to another topic we just talked about, what is the intent of you saying this? Yeah. If the intent of you saying this is truly like,

hey, I think it really might help JP if I'm like, hey, listen, man, you know what? I quit drinking. And my true intent is like, that's another person in JP's life that he looks said and goes, damn, you know, now Jocco's not drinking. That makes sense. There's a lot of people.

Maybe this is something I should do. If my intent is to go, hey, JP, I actually quit drinking and I'm better than you. You know what I mean? If that's where you're at, then you're kind of bragging and you're kind of a loser. I made a comment to a buddy in my tent was like, he was like sending me these videos on Instagram. And I was like, hey, just be careful watching those videos because it opens up doors to stuff that you're desensitizing yourself.

I'm like, it's like porn, man. I'm like, I stopped watching porn. And it wasn't for me like, because it's literally, oh, like, it's been a year, February, right? I haven't looked at porn, have had zero desires. Like, you know, because I went to a men's retreat and I realized like, I talked you about this. And I was just like, I don't, that's toxic.

It's, it's literally killing your brain watching porn. Like it's, it's horrible for you. And, you know, it's been a year. I've had zero desires, you know, which is cool. And I was explaining it to this guy. I'm like, yeah, hey, man, I stopped watching porn because, you know, and I explain the reasons why. And he's like, you know what? You're the third person that has said recently that they stop watching porn.

He goes, you're one of the guys I look up to. He goes, I don't need to be doing that anymore. And it wasn't, I wasn't doing it to brag, but it was like, hey, man, you should be careful what you're watching, man, because you're just desensitizing your brain. And, I mean, there's a reason why, like, things like, that you look at. at like it should bother you but if you keep looking at them eventually they won't bother you and that's a that's not a good place to be at so sure so so yes that does determine whether you're bragging or not your intentions but so bragging is kind of like drinking in a way so it's like hey look we're not bragging straight up we're not bragging but you get caught slipping bragging

at least do it about something good which we said because what I brought up was like what if you donate like to a school or something like that so it's like hey if you get caught up slipping and you start bragging, at least make it a good cause. You see what I'm saying? Like one of your friends retired after 24 years in the days. Exactly right. I mean, okay.

So you're giving him some slack. If you're going to brag, if you're going to drink and it's for a good cause, hey, we'll cut you some slack. So you're saying? No good cause of drink, bro. Like I said. Oh, don't get it wrong.

Hey, hey, look, drink, no drink. No drink all day. I get it. I get it. Yeah. But I'm saying, I'm drawing the parallels between bragging and drinking. Yeah. I say you do right here's the thing man and I actually had a couple people at some point

somebody asked me something about alcohol I forget it was who it was underground no oh yeah maybe it was the underground but basically I said hey man there's just like I just can't get behind it at all I'm just I'm just not it just not happening it's just not good there's nothing good that comes out of it and I had so many people say thank you for saying that and it's a mindset shift because it's so easy to go well you know you know Jocko said there is a time in a place for it and guess when that time and place is well it's you know Friday night you know for sure actually Saturday night's kind of slipped in there too and by the way Sunday can be pretty cool you know you got the ball game on and then you know Monday after work you kind of want to decompress

and next thing you know it's Tuesday and Tuesday is leading into hump day Wednesday and so you kind of got to get over the hump to the hump so that's Tuesday Wednesday next thing you know you're just drinking and you're not getting anything beneficial out of it it's just not helping you and there's a billion and other things that you can do that are gonna that are gonna move you in a positive direction so I can't even uh you can't even get behind it at all don't get behind it I'm just not behind it don't do it don't do it agree uh okay so what you can't get behind is exercising so let me tell you something you know what I'm drinking milk I'm drinking a milk wait so yeah true I'm drinking a go but you mentioned the exercise right where it improves every

every part of your life so we listen to Peter Atia you're familiar yeah we are So there's a one, a popular one where actually I'd want, even when he's when I see it again, I'll just watch it again just for the message where he was saying about like even if you smoke and do all this other stuff, it like reduces your, what he called mortality, right? Like by a lot. But if you exercise and get to this certain level of fitness, it reduces mortality like by a certain like exponentially. Then the detriment would be for the drinking and the smoking. What's even more important? He's like exercise is hands down. the best medication for all cause mortality.

Like the way he says it in his, you know, in his Peter Tia way, you know, when you get done with that, you're like, if I don't exercise, I'm an actual idiot. Choosing to me. I'm choosing to be an actual freaking idiot. If I don't exercise,

I'm choosing to be an actual freaking idiot. All cause mortality. Like, that's a good one, man. Bring that, put that into the mix, right? We'll get to Peter Atia. We'll talk all cause mortality. He's got a new book coming out I have it by the way

What Peter T's new one? Yeah, yeah And he's gonna be coming back on the podcast To go through it's It's 700 pages It's some crazy amount of pages Yeah I was like

It took you like two and a half days Because you know I haven't read it yet I don't read books until they're gonna come on the podcast Because otherwise I gotta reread him anyways Yeah Makes sense So all cause mortality Exercise is the best thing you can get

Next thing? Diet So we got to be good fuel into our system. That means we're on jocco fuel by the way. It's true joccofuel.com go there get some get yourself some those mok RTDs. Yeah, that's going to save you on all liquid fast by the way. He was a lot of that and a lot of the greens. Dude, he must have crushing that stuff. Yeah, the greens would be a huge one for that for sure if you're not eating any food and the greens. What's crazy about the drink greens is that taste good. That tastes good with that monk fruit. in there and you don't have to you don't have to drink dirt no you can I mean it's an option you know like in buds you put sand in your mouth sand and seaweed chunks in your mouth cool if you go to the store and buy the other brand of greens you are also doing sand or dirt in your mouth no need though yeah you can put something

that tastes good in your mouth you can have the after-dinner port the port yeah look we're not drinking alcohol no we can't have port guess what we can have Greens it's the same thickness like it's the same consistency yeah as the port and it's better taste better and it's good for you there's no hangover no it's actually good for you it's giving you 7758 different types of vegetables or whatever like it has got it all right your greens in the morning or in the evening I drink them in the evening in the evening I sleep a lot better it makes you sleep better and it's like for me look no matter what I kind of want something sweet sweet tooth weakness maybe maybe but the greens are that thing where you're like cool just gonna have just gonna have

a nice little sweet something cleanse the palate for the evening and sleep better aden asked amanda he's like hey you think jp will let me start taking the the creatine from jocco fuel go ahead affirmative oh yes okay okay i didn't want i didn't you know that's that's your territory but i'm like we're gonna have a conversation after because i think it's time you don't think you You don't have influence over that boy's life. Come on that sea train. I mean, yeah, he's about to be 17 and his size and everything. I mean, it's, you know, and he's lifting.

Yeah, I mean, next year, what do he wrestle at this year? 182? No, he, no, so he's 183 right now. He was wrestling at 175. Oh, yeah, next year he's going to be a whole different two weight classes up. If he's on the C train and he's jacking steel. And, yeah, I mean, he's going to be jacked jacked. I'm actually excited.

Like, I told him, I'm like, bro, if you just am. your aggression up because he's not an aggressive kid you you met him just like literally the nicest kid alive yeah I'm like hey wrestling up how's you to be aggressive you can go out there and be as violent and mean as you want and you're not going to get in trouble yeah and get rewarded yeah you're actually you're rewarded and you'll get rewarded so I'm trying to like flip that switch and he's getting it but anyways so he was asking I'm mad about the creatine you're like I think so he's like cool he's like I'm gonna start putting in with the greens yeah that's exactly what I do yeah that's awesome well yeah once he listens this and here's that like a hundred I can

I'm gonna be like, yeah, okay, cool. And Jogger's like, hey, I mix creatine with my greens and drinking before sleep. Guess what that kid and every other 18 year old, 17 year old in the United States could be doing. Dude, hell yeah. Good. When you're that age, you can change a trajectory of your life so much

when you're 15, 16, 17, 18 years old. So much you can aim it and it's like the trajectory. What, the trajectory that you get on when you're 17 years old, Is so impactful, man. Yes. Go, Aiden, C-Train, Greens, Mulk, Jack, deadlift, squats, pull-ups. That's what we're doing.

Aggression, it's going to come. I'm going to think through that one. I'm going to think what we're going to do. I'm thinking about that. But here's the flip side. I say that. And like, you know what's amazing? He'll be 17 in two weeks.

He's never been in trouble. The only time he's been in trouble is he got. nervous and he lied to Amanda. Like I have a 16 year old almost 17 year old. I'm sorry we and I haven't ever like you he's never come home late he's never been in a fight. Now there's times he should have defended himself and I'm like hey if they do that to you again you are cleared hot. Like we call that double leg ground and pound that's what we call it. It's no big deal yeah you know people should know your other nickname at school should be oh that's double leg ground and pound you But you know, like, you know what I mean?

Like I look at his phone. Like there's nothing inappropriate. Like nothing, nothing, nothing. So you know what? I'm good with that, man. Yeah. Like amazing. Amazing.

Yeah. Now the aggression will come. Yeah. And that's cool. Yeah. And it will. He'll learn a channel. Yeah.

There's a, there's a channel that hasn't been exposed yet. There's a, there's a, there's a path, a little neuron that hasn't connected yet. Yeah. That's the switch. And once that connects. Unlocked. Cora and all that. Cora's had that for, I mean, good Lord.

I mean, we went to some like medieval times. And I have a video. I'll show you guys later. I posted the picture of it. She was so into it. She's like, rip his head off. Like, what is that? But, you know.

There you go. So we're on JoccoFuel. Joccofuel.com, Wawa, vitamin shop. By the way, GNC, did you know that?

We're live. I know that. Oh, yeah. We're live at GNC. And we talked about G&C. You know,

that's kind of, to me, that's like one of those iconic. Oh, yeah. It's a thing. Yes, it is.

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Actually, yeah. It's pretty cool when you say, oh, this is the best stuff you can get. Yep. It's the best stuff you can get. So there you go. Also, origin. Origin USA, best stuff you can get.

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uniquely priced manufacturing cost oh slave we call that slave labor they call it uniquely priced manufacturing so just terrible And by the way, go look at the, you know, people talk about the environment. I'm obviously, I surf, I spend a lot of time in the outdoors, I love being outdoors, I hunt, I go to the mountains, I value the environment in a way that's profound. Go see what a factory oversees does the environment.

They literally do not give a shit about the environment. They literally do not care at all. Whatever comes whatever chemicals are left over it goes right in the river river goes right to the ocean they do not care There's no EPA in China doesn't exist So just think about what you're doing and get some origin USA.com get your jeans there don't get jeans from a sweat shop Made by slaves don't do that support America support American workers get jeans get boots get hunt gear get your jiu jih Tzu ghee Greg Train's brother. Which one?

Brandon. Yeah, Brandon. I just gave him one of the new geese. And he was like, he was holding it. I put it in his hands and he was holding it like in wonder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, no, because the thing is he had an origin guy, one of the old ones, and it got a rip in it. And I was like, he was, hey, is this normal?

I was like, oh my God. And I had like video date. And I was like, hey, Pete, Amanda, check this out. Like, would you have only send this back to the factory? You guys can frame it. There's been like three is a jacket failure. It's a real anomaly. So anyways, they sent him out two more of the new ones.

But he, I gave it to him. He was like, he's like looking at it as if it was a foreign substance. What's crazy is what you just said. That is like, oh my gosh, let's frame it. Because it doesn't happen for origin geese. Yeah. Almost every other ghee company out there, they tear up, they rip up,

I was rolling with one of my black belts and I grabbed the back of his ghee and went to pull and literally I heard it start to rip. I don't know what my testosterone shot up to because I knew that I was ripping his ghee and I literally ripped open his ghee and he was like, bro, what the? And I'm like, that's what you get

for having shit not made in America. And I ordered him a ghee from origin and now he wears obviously our geese. But it was funny just like, Like what you just said like it's so rare for anything to not be of the best quality from origin that you're like you want to frame this because it started to wreck it probably because the dude's like training like like a madman. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Origin USA.com. Yeah. Also check that out. Yep. It's true. What? Also, Jocco's a store called Jocco store. All right. So where you can represent while we're on this path. It's a big deal. The path. If you're on the path, be proud of yourself. Represent. I think it's a good call yeah just when equals freedom good also we have a thing called the shirt locker which is a membership scenario subscription if you will some good designs on there yes I see you representing from time to time JP makes me happy but anyway yeah go on there jocco story.com that's where you can check out all that stuff if you like something hey man get you know who's fired up for the short locker Jamie Cochran's dad yes sir yeah direct reports from we appreciate the support across the board uh yeah subscribe to the

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but the specific situation you're in doesn't apply to everyone, so let's go to like the idea behind the situation. For sure. And then there's a few questions you gotta sort out behind there, behind that wall or whatever, and then you can understand the whole thing a little bit more clearly.

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What does that do to your brain? Matt, it just heals everything, which is incredible. You know, COVID hit, and I know I briefly talked about this before, but for those that maybe didn't listen to those episodes or listen now, COVID hit. And I was actually able to reach out to Mama Lee and say, hey, I know you've been trying to get me to go do these treatments. I think I have a gap. Remember when we're like, hey, maybe two weeks.

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I mean, I was getting blurred vision. I'd have to pull over while driving. I'd just be throwing up on. the side of the road. It was, it was bad. I hit a lot of that from a lot of people because I just didn't have the time to slow down. COVID hit. I was able to get in those treatments. 180. Like, just crazy what it was able to do. And we have other guys like Cowie, who's gone to the treatments and he's now going to these advanced treatments that their foundation is helping getting guys into. And it's incredible what is doing from just healing the brain and the body and just

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Yeah, it was a mountain lion. Okay, mountain lion? Yeah, and they had something to do with. Grappling? Yeah. It was a front headlock specifically. Okay, so right now, apparently, I don't know how it happened.

Micah Fink has a mountain lion in a front headlock. And, you know, he's handling things. Yeah. And he's also taking a bunch of veterans up into the mountains to help them find themselves again. JP, if you want to connect with JP, he's on Twitter and he's on Instagram. And he also has what, Jesus and Jiu-Jitsu? Yes. Or is it Jiu-Jitsu and J-Jitsu?

Jesus comes first. Yep. That's like on the rash guard. Jesus is big and bold on the top and then underneath the jihitsu is below it. It's the ministry that my buddies and I started and I say my buddies first because we all had this idea at the same time. We came back from this men's retreat that we were leading at. We'd gone to it before.

We came back to lead and support. I guess I should say serve. And God put it on all of our hearts at separate, separate times. And we were all talking about it, like the same Monday leading the event. We're like, all right, there's something here. And Stephen and Isaac have just ran with it. They have just completely ran with it, Josh as well. And so Josh, Stephen, Isaac and I, you know, are, I guess you say the board members of, you know,

Jesus and J-J triple J-J. And, you know, it's awesome. So we try to do an event once a month at different gyms in the area. We're going to start traveling to different areas as well as we build the ministry. And it's cool. So we start off and we have somebody teach some jiu-jitsu. And then a different person shares their testimony of just like their story of their relationship with God and, you know, how they found Jesus and salvation and what it means to them. And then we offer up opportunity for people to like prayer, like it's.

someone wants to dedicate their life to Jesus that we do a group prayer for everybody. And we don't ask anybody like, oh, hey, if you did that, let us know. Because we don't want to embarrass anybody. But we also provide Bibles to people that don't have Bibles or have never had a Bible or need a new one. And it's really cool to see the doors that it's opening, you know, like my professor, Formiga, Raphael Barbosa, who owns Double Five. He's let us do it at his gym multiple times.

And he's like, wait, it's Jesus and Jiu-Jitsu, whatever you guys need for me. I'm here to support you, which has been cool. And it was the third one that we did. He was out of town, but his wife, Lisa, was there. And afterwards, she's like, hey, can I have one of those Bibles? And we're like, yes, of course. Like, yeah, you know, they didn't have a Bible. And then that next Sunday, they came to church with us.

And it was an amazing service. And he goes, JP, I think he was talking to me the whole time. I'm like, he was talking to me also. Like, I was like, because there's levels to these. He's like, man, this is just, it was so powerful. And like I asked him, I'm like, well, did you pray the prayer of salvation afterwards? He's like, yes. Yeah.

So from that, like we've had doors open to where guys are like, hey, I want to go to church. I want to try it out. And now there's people that are like dedicating their life to Jesus, you know, growing the kingdom, which is, which is pretty awesome to be able to do. So doing that, which the purpose also is to bring people to go to pursuit, which is that men's event that I went to. to actually to the year today was last February I went to pursuit, which is through our buddies ministry, walking in truth. And the goal is just to obviously expose people to Jesus in an environment that probably most people would never go to church.

And we have people that have come to our events that are atheists, that we have agnostic people who have, you know, people of all walks that literally come because they're like, hey, it's jiu-jitsu, we want to support. And now it's somebody that would literally never walk into a church are now hearing about Jesus. And they're hearing them from like guys that we share our testimony. It's like, hey, man, I am a jacked up individual.

I am a flawed individual. It wasn't for the grace of God. Like, I wouldn't be standing here. And able to share our different stories and testimonies. It's been really cool to see the doors that it's opened up. And, you know, and the last, they just had a pursuit recently. And because of the Jesus and jihis, we did last month, I think three or four people went to pursuit.

So now they went to go to this event. They get this freedom. It's a freedom-based ministry for men and women. So it's really cool to see what those doors have opened up, the relationships from that. And it's cool that I'm doing that with three of my closest friends. And then the two other businesses that we were talking about before, it's like, one is with Josh on the path printing, printing apparel and the other one. On the path printing, is that the website?

So, yeah. So mostly it's on Instagram. And we don't have a big website. And the reason why it's we are very selective with who we want to work with. You know, Nick Leverry, who is on here, we're going to be printing for him. Once we have it fully up and running. And like Josh has been super default aggressive, like to do all these things. But he's also the alignment that we have in regards to you,

he says, hey, ma'am, if we're not able to deliver the best product, like I don't want us doing this until we can. He goes, I know it can't be perfect. And he helps out at the musters and FTXs because I know it can't be perfect. But it's got to be the best product to these people. He's like, I want us, you know, and that's our goal is to serve patriots, to serve ministries, jujitsu gyms, first responders. Like, we're going to pick who we want to work with. PJ, who helps out at all of our events, we're going to be printing for his fire department.

Nice. And we're going to be printing for our jihitsu gym. So it gives us the ability to choose who we want to work with. So it's just through Instagram on the path printing. So that's where we're out right there. And then on the other side, Steve. even is with his cattle company. You know, he has a beef company he's had for a couple years,

a little cattle co and being able to help, you know, it's really cool. The doors have opened up and just seeing the opportunities, trying to be obedient to the opportunities that God's giving me and understanding like, hey, if I have an opportunity, like not seizing that opportunity is just as bad as doing the wrong thing, in my mind, you know, because if God's giving me an opportunity,

And he's blessing me with the abilities to go out there and do something with other people and help people. Yeah. I should absolutely be doing that. Yeah. And they're the printing company. We're going to be helping out a lot of ministries and churches and foundations. And for us, that's a way to give back and to bless people like, Mama Lee. She's like, wait, when can you print?

I'm like, as soon as we can, I promise you. You're the first on the list. You're the first one on the list. And then, you know, Stevens had the beef company for a couple of years. And I always told him, like, hey, man, if there's anything I can help you, to take this to the next level. Cool. I'm not trying to get in on.

I'm not trying to like take advantage or capitalize. But if I can help you like let me know. So how do people find that? Same thing. Instagram right now is Little Cattle Co. Like as in company, Little Cattle Co. Stephen Little is his name, you know. And having the website built up as well.

And it would be like so someone wants to get online and, you know, order some sirloins and some tomahawks and some fillets and some ground beef, like they can, it'll be direct to consumer beef sales. And we know the quality, we know the source. His, his uncle has been, this is awesome. Like, this is something that I'm excited that Aden's going to be able to experience. And me selfishly, like, I get to go do some cowboying, you know, because I've always been infatuated with that because my grandfather did this.

His uncle, Uncle Rocky has been cowboying all over Texas for over 30 years. Every major ranch, he's been a cowboy. And he knows the business and that's who's like allowing us to to grow the business. We have access to as many steers as we want and it's all high quality just knowing what we're getting. It's a big thing right now. So it's cool. It's I'm excited and you know somebody I stole your your line.

You said multiple times like I had a another buddy who was like man how are you doing all these things like you're crazy busy with Eschlele on front. I'm like well realize that I'm not as hands-on-lawed. on on all these other things as you think. So if I gave you that perception, I'm sorry, but I use the laws of combat. I can do multiple things because of the laws of combat. I can help build little cattle co on the path printing. Like my professor for me goes like, hey, do you want to partner with me to help open up a bigger gym in this area? And I'm like, yes. Yep. Like no brainer, right? You're one of the best in jih Tichitsu and an amazing instructor. So we're having those discussions

right now as well and it's just like because of what we do at Ashla Fragmaegas Academy is Double five yeah what's the how do people find that just Instagram double five jujitsu or double five HV for Highlands Village that's the area that we're in um great school for mega's great like nine nine time world champ 11 time Pan An champ very very uh detailed instructor too just squared away he's from the deck right yes he from the deck yeah so he's and that's what's cool because Now I'm part of De Deco's lineage and Pete Roberts lineage under De De Deco. You guys are brothers now. I know.

Yeah. Check that out. Yeah. It's kind of like me and Echo Charles. Yes. Kind of right. You know, a little bit. Pretty much.

Yeah. The lineage. That's awesome, man. All kinds of good stuff going on, which is as it should be, yo. One thing I wrote down and I have to say because it'll bother me. Earlier when you were doing the intro and I, you know, I said titles don't matter. But I correct you. you on my title and that bothers me. It bothers me. It was a test, dude. I don't care what I was.

But here's a deal. If titles don't matter, I shouldn't have said anything. But I really believe at Ashlawn Front, we've known since day one. I mean, you straight up told us, I remember at one of the early meetings, like, hey man, the titles don't matter, but I know to other people, titles are important. So we want to make sure we give you guys the right proper titles as we're growing this business. You and Leif gave me an opportunity that is unlike anything else. I don't need a title to be here. You know what I mean? Like I will be here until the day I die. Like I said, but I'm also proud of the fact of like where I was at six years ago and what you and Lafe were like, hey man, here's an opportunity. And Jamie as well. You know what I mean? Like you and Laf opened up

the door and Jamie helped facilitate it. Dave Burke. I tell us to everybody, Dave Burke is. He's a guy I've always looked up to. He's my best friend. He's my mentor. He's somebody that I, he's helped me here at Eschleon Front, even though technically I came in before him. He's a guy I've always looked up to. And just the opportunity to do what we do at Eschleon Front, like I want to make sure it is always very apparent and clear that. It is something I am forever indebted to you guys for.

But I am proud of that title because I know what it represents in regards to what you and Leif want to build. not because of what I've done. I'm not proud of it in regards to like, oh, I'm the chief training officer. Six years ago, there was no titles. There was no departments. And now, like, the fact of what you and Laif have helped facilitate for us to be able to be a part of and build,

that means a lot to me. And to see what Cody's done, like I, here's a deal. If Cody wasn't the stud that he is, I wouldn't be able to move up in the organization. And I know that. And I try to reiterate that to Cody and Cody's annoyingly humble because he's like, no, bro, you know, everything. And I'm like, dude, I did not give you anything other than here's an opportunity.

Cody's ran with it. He's made that department better than it was when I was running it. And it's cool to be able to sit back and see what he's doing and everything. So I just wanted to correct that because it's bothered me the whole time that I made that correction. Yeah. Well, you're not the jackass. That's allegedly the chief. executive officer that jacked up the title when he said it so there you go uh and you know i always

you know when you say to me like oh you're indebted to me and you know what i'm going to say i didn't know you you did more for me than i could have ever asked someone to do so we're good cool we're square check uh there you go that's how you can get in touch with jp of course if you want to You know, get in touch with or connect with Echo Charles and I. We're also on social media. Echo's at Echo Charles. I'm at Jocco Willink. Of course, just watch out for the algorithm because it's strong.

It's chat GPT strong. I'm gonna grab you, grab you by the vocal cords and drag you into the screen. So watch out. I was texting with Jason Gardner the other day. He's like, well, you know, I was like, tell, he hasn't been on chat GPT yet. And he was like asking me some. He's like, well, what about this? What about this?

And he said, well, what exactly does, data does it go off of and I was like go ask chat GPT and we'll tell you what that's going off of he was laughing but anyways there you go that's you can get in touch with us and thanks for joining us JP always good to have the opportunity to to enable the opportunity for you to share your lessons with the world and obviously thanks like I said for everything you did for me for the teams and of course for our country and um yeah thanks all the servicemen and women that are out there right now on the front lines defending freedom it is a sketchy world out there it's a sketchy world out there

and you all are stepping up into that zone of the unknown to protect us and our way of life and our freedom so thank you and thanks also to our police and law enforcement firefighters paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, Border Patrol Secret Service, and all first responders. You defend us here at home, and we are definitely grateful. And to everyone else out there, just remember this, remember this, as bad as things can get, and believe me, they can get bad, they can get really bad.

But as bad as they can get, remember this, they can always get worse. They can always get worse. So please do me a favor and keep old Mr. Murphy at bay. Be ready for the worst case scenario. And you do that by going out there every day and getting after it. And until next time, this is J.P. And Echo and Jocco out.