Jocko Podcast - 378: If You Want to Be a Champion, You Can't Just Lie Around Sleeping Like Everybody Else. "Kimura".

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

Masahiko Kimura (木村 政彦, Kimura Masahiko, September 10, 1917 – April 18, 1993) was a Japanese judoka and professional wrestler who is widely considered one of the greatest judoka of all time.[1][2][3] He won the All-Japan Judo Championships three times in a row for the first time in history and had never lost a judo match from 1936 to 1950. An author said," In the history of judo, no one is the strongest before Kimura and no one is the strongest after Kimura."[4] He has often been described as the strongest judoka in history.[5] In submission grappling, the reverse ude-garami arm lock is often called the "Kimura",[6] due to his famous victory over Gracie jiu-jitsu founder Hélio Gracie. In the Japanese professional wrestling world, he is known for the controversial match he had with Rikidōzan.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocco podcast number 378 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. I was in his control as soon as we stood close to each other. I had no time to even hold or grapple him. I was taken into the ground and I got choked at first. It was difficult to breathe. I felt it working.

Enough so I was wondering if I should tap as I promised Carlos. Well, this is what I've never told anybody before. It seems I went unconscious while I was thinking about what to do, to give up or not. If Camura had continued to choke me, I would have died for sure. But since I didn't give up, Kimura let go of the choke and went into the next technique. Being released from the choke and the pain from the next technique revived me. and I continued to fight. Kimura went to his grave without ever knowing the fact that I was finished.

If possible, I wish I could have talked about the fight with him and let him know about it. Kimura was strong, strong and a gentleman. He spoke in my ear in Japanese, good, good, while catching me with an arm lock. I don't understand Japanese at all, but strangely, I was encouraged by his voice. It gave me power I was anxious about it So I asked him later He said I was admiring your heart

Same to him I think I got the authentic samurai spirit from him I might have been Japanese in my previous life And that right there is a little quote from the great Aleo Gracie founder of Gracie Jiu Jitsu Which in my opinion, what do they say? In my humble opinion, in my humble opinion,

kind of makes him the founder of modern martial arts. You agree, disagree? Modern, yep. At least you have to, that's a consideration. What are they saying when they say? In the conversation, right? In the conversation for the founding of modern mixed martial arts, Aalio Gracie has to be in the conversation, 100%.

And it's a quote from an interview that is quoted in a book, and the book is called Kimura, the triumphs and tragedy of Japan's greatest and most controversial judo champion. This book was originally given to me, recently by my friend and training partner, Mija. You know Mija? Of course.

You know Maha. He trained with Maha. Yes, sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes. You arrive at the training zone. Yeah, it goes down for sure. So Mija, we went on a little trip lately,

and he gave me this book to check out, and I thought, hmm. Let's check it out and Miha he's it you know obviously he's a jitzo black belt. He's also a judo black belt But he thought I would like the book so read the book and this is a book obviously about Kimura this is a There's a submission hold also called Kimura It's one of my favorites I understand The it's named that the submission hold has other names people called other things but by now pretty much everyone calls it a Kimura and

And is named after him. That's the move that he put on Aalio Gracie. And we'll get into that Aalio Gracie match that they had. You know, Aalio Gracie was a lot smaller and they had a good scrap, but he eventually had the towel thrown in so he didn't get his arm removed from his body by Kimura. But interesting life, incredible fighter. And I just wanted to jump into this book. Got any background on Camero over there?

Just the same as you. Just that right there. Yeah. He was already a super well-known guy in the martial arts world back in those days. Oh, yeah. But yeah, he was one of the, he's kind of the main catalyst for Elio Gracie from what I understand. From what, like, yeah, and going, and you said, you actually meant, you said the one of the main, what do you say, Eleo Gracie being the founder of modern martial arts, mixed martial arts, I think so.

Although they were doing valetudo and stuff in other ways. whatever, but yeah, how it kind of came to America and now what it is right now, MMA, I would say. Like if it wasn't, if it wasn't for, if it wasn't for Aalio Gracie, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, you wouldn't quite have what we have. No. And the evolution of martial arts in the last, I mean, we could say in the last six months, but you take the last 10 years, it's crazy. But since 1993, since that first UFC, the. evolution has been incredible the entire world of martial arts has changed I mean it used to be a totally different thing oh yeah in 1979 what martial arts were was a totally different thing

than what it is now yeah the main one so back in so Gracie jujitsu technically on record is was found in 1925 myeda came over and taught the Gracie family what he called jujitsu which was very close to judo yes so yeah And then you see and so he became sort of this source because it kind of changed it. The source. And then the main vein was actually Horan Gracie, who he was the oldest son where he brought it to American was like, hey, we need to like show everybody. So he's the one who made the first UFC put hoists in there.

But they were all training. They're all doing it. But it wasn't revealed to the world because of not or it was later because of media, UFC, this big spectacle or whatever. And then slowly it's slowly started to spread through that main vein. And then in 2005, when Ultimate Fighter came out, that was when media really took it, turning into a little reality show

because that's when reality shows started getting their legs, you know? So boom, they mix that up, boom. From there was just this massive, massive explosion. But it's crazy to think about, like, these guys back in the day, they knew something that people just didn't know. They knew something that people did not know. And nowadays, look, you get into a street fight, There's a chance people know what the guard is.

They might know how to slap a guillotine on. They might know, you know, what the mount is. Like, they're going to know this stuff. Yeah. And if you go into any jih Tzu school, like, they're going to know a lot of it. Man, back in the day, like when I got, when I trained Jiu Jitsu for the first time with Master Chief Steve Bailey, where there was no comprehension of what was happening. There was no comprehension at all.

This did not, this was not a thing at all. There was no there was not even like a thought of what was happening. It wasn't like the idea that someone would take your arm and put it in a position where you would have to say uncle. Yeah. It didn't make sense. It wasn't a thing. Yeah. Especially if the guy wasn't bigger than you.

So it went from not being a thing at all to being the thing. Yeah. Think about that transition. So these guys and judo, you know, we've done some podcasts on judo. We've done some podcasts on Kano to talk about where that developed from, but judo very powerful, very powerful martial art. And it is, you know, the roots of jiu-jitsu. See, it's interesting because judo is rooted in jiu-jitsu, but modern jiu-jitsu is rooted in judo again. Back at it.

So anyways, this guy, one of the greatest judokas ever. We're going to roll into it. We're going to look at his book here. And here we go. Camira Masahiko. was born on the southern island of Kyushu and I apologize for the Japanese speakers out there. I don't speak Japanese at all and I mangle all words. So born September 19th, 17, little is known about his family background, although the family was said to be poor.

According to one biography of Kimira, at the age of around 10, he began to help his father collect river gravel and stones to sell. They had to dig the gravel from the river bottom and deliver it to a nearby truck. On Sundays and holidays, when Kimiro was out of school, he would work from 4 a.m. to 6 p.m. hauling gravel. An experience later credited with helping him build a strong body. You've got to have a little bit of mythology going on here. When you picture this 10-year-old kid hauling gravel out of the river, cold river, having to go out. I mean, how deep is he going to get it? Is it knee-deep or is he having to get a little breath-hold activity going on?

And he's doing that from 4 a.m. to 6 p.m., that's what's happening? his uncle also encouraged the youngster to drink carp's blood which is said to be good for the heart so there you go he's just ripping the heads off of fish drinking their blood while carrying rocks out of the river for 14 hours a day you know like you're going to be ready for some jiu jitsu or some judo competitions japanese children were generally protected and not disciplined until they were about five at that age they began to face strict discipline of especially from their fathers. This often led young boys to act out with a rebellious streak. And based on his later actions, Camura almost certainly developed into a mischievous child when he entered school at the age of about six. By the time he was around nine or ten,

Camero was relatively large for his age and appears to have become something of a ringleader among the mischief makers in the school. During his fourth grade year, isn't it crazy? I mean, we're talking about a guy's fourth grade year. We got some deets, right? some details on this guy the students were mustered to engage in Osogi a thorough

mass cleaning of the school with his teacher mr. Tagawa absent Kimura snuck away dashing to a nearby snack shop and gobbling down five or six man to two or steamed stuffed buns returning to his class he saw several students moving mr. Tagawa's desk he ran toward the desk and jumped onto it causing the desk to noisily collapse Camira jumped up and down with joy screaming bonsai, bonsai. And then he, there's quotes in here, and I looked for this book, that he has an autobiography out there somewhere. Or it's taken from interviews.

I couldn't find either one of them. Miha looked for him as well. I couldn't find it. He says this. This is now Kimura talking. Suddenly, someone grabbed me firmly in the rear lapel and pulled me backward. When I turned my head, I found Mr. Tagawa, who I thought was absent, glaring at me with a very scary look. He yelled idiot face and slapped me in the face. He then

threw me to the floor. He pulled me up, slapped me, and threw me to the floor again. After this, I was scolded in the teacher's room and stood in the corridor. After this incident, I decided to get even with Mr. Tagawa. I thought about how to get revenge on him for about a week and investigated his background I then found out that he was a first Don in judo I thought is judo such a formidable art then I would be able to throw him if I became a second Don soon after this I entered into the show Shodokon dojo nearby by elementary school so he's got a little bit of a streak right imagine me in 10 years old or whatever he is fourth grade what do you in for yeah fourth grade

you're 10 years old so he's a 10 years old this teacher he's actually being a jackass and the teacher slaps him around a little bit and he starts plotting revenge researches does background check. Figure out what's this new deal? Where is weaknesses finds out he's only a first Don and judo. Once I become a second

Don, I'll be able to take him. All right. It goes on to say Mr. Tagawa's corporal punishment and humiliation of the young Kimura was exactly what he needed. He began to practice judo and after only about a year he entered his first competition

Which they call Shi'i, I think. A match with the Nakayama Dojo, which was located about three miles away. He faced a much bigger eighth grader. Kimura attempted a body drop throw and a major outer reaping throw to no effect. Then attacked with the major inner reaping throw. But his opponent reversed the technique on him and pinned him to the ground with the top four corners hold for the win. Kimura continued to practice hard, driven on by the memory of his defeat. In eighth grade, he entered a prefectural sumo tournament and placed second.

He narrowly missed the first place when he threw his opponent by a Soto Gari. But the referee declared that his foot had been out of bounds. This success, and probably a growing reputation in judo circles, raised Camero's visibility. A recruiter for Chinsei Junior High School visited his home and invited. Camura to attend the school and play either for the sumo or judo team in 1932 Camura entered chinsay and became a fantastic of a training fanatic in addition to practicing at school he trained at the Kawakita dojo three times a week at the Bhutto Kuddin and the Imperial fifth high school altogether he he later remembered

He practiced judo five hours a day and did 300 pushups daily. So we're getting into it. That that idea of when people get introduced into being dominated, physically dominated, can have, I guess it can have a bunch of outcomes, but the outcomes that we remember are it either makes you say, whatever this is, I'm going to learn it so that I can never make sure this never happens to me. or you can say whatever this is, I hate it and I'm going to avoid it at all costs so this never happens to me. And I'm sure there's some gray area, but especially I think 10 years ago

when people didn't really understand what was happening, they didn't understand that it was a technique. Yeah. And if they figured out that it was a technique, they say, cool, I'm going to learn these techniques. If they didn't understand it was a technique, they just ran away from it. Sorcery.

Who's the first person that put you to tell? Probably my friend Jeremy, Jeremy Triskin. Oh, Jack. But keep in mind, this is, you know, back so 1993, UFC 1 and 2, this is 94-ish. When you, we bought the videotapes, the Gracie in action. No, no, they weren't Gracie in action. They were the instructional. Yeah, the VHS one.

Do you remember Gracie in action? Yes, I do. Yeah, I still visit those very often. Because those are, those I've kind of. look, they age well because you still get to see it. But that's when you get to see what I was talking about earlier, just zero

knowledge. Like people that literally had no idea that the concept of a fight was to get the position and get someone to... Think about that. That's a totally different concept. Yes. That's a totally different concept. It's like a foreign concept

that you might not understand at all. Yeah. And to prove that's actually probably more true than that even sounds as far as you saying it. So, and this is why I know this. So the reason that I watch them a lot now is because I watch him with my son, because he don't know that. His idea of like, oh, let's play fight, right? And he always wants to play fight. So what is it? He's kicking me. He's punching me and stuff like that. And he's like, no, no, no, so all like grab him and block his punches, whatever, and I'll put him in like a choke or whatever.

Or put him in Mountain. He'll be like, can't fight from here? He's like, no, no, no. We're not doing Jiu-Jitsu. We're fighting. That's what he'd say. He thinks jujitsu is just fun, like a game. And then he'll think the real fighting is just a punching and kicking part. So I was like, hey, what you don't understand is jujitsu is both the punching, kicking, and the jujitsu. And I'm saying the jiu-jitsu, when faced with just the punching and kicking, if you don't put them together, like, you'll lose to the jiu-jitsu. He's like, ooh, what are you talking? So I show him the Gracie in action when I was like, look, this is all fight. Watch this guy.

He doesn't punch a kick or nothing. He just used jiu-jitsu. And these guys are really fighting. Look, they're really, really fighting. And he'd watch him and watch him and watch him and now he slowly understands all and he sees and he understands now. But it's true. Because, yeah, when you see, oh, yeah, two people got in a fight. Oh, it's always who knocked this guy out or kicked this guy's head or into state.

Even when we watch on the movies, when they get in a fight, it's all punching and kicking, you know? So, like, our idea is a little bit skewed in that way, or it was anyway. You remember we talked on a couple podcasts ago about the Faw, I think it's the Fosberry flop, the guy that jumped over the, was the high jump jumped over it backwards and totally changed the game someone that was look they've been they've been training that way

for however many decades of jump over a split jump whatever they were doing to get over it this was a brand new thing that people looked at and go wait a second what is this that's how different it was to say oh we're going to get

a hold of this opponent and we're going to get a hold of their arm We're gonna get a hold of their neck or we're gonna get a hold of their leg and we're gonna force them to tap out or we're gonna break it People just didn't understand this. Yeah, all right 1932 at the age of 15. He entered his first promotional Shiye testing for show Don that's for the first Don that's the first degree in tournaments at that time a candidate often stayed on the mat until he was defeated Camura beat five other high school students and earned his show don's so we gotta

his first degree the next year his run-in with his elementary school teacher and his vow to achieve nai-dan apparently forgotten he entered the promotional contest again defeating all four members the opposing team all by ipan and was promoted to nidown which is the second degree so interesting in judo if you don't know this ipon is a way that you can immediately win a judo match by throwing your opponent where their feet leave the ground and any part of their body touches the the ground before their feet. If you do that, you instantly win. We could discuss the, what that really means.

Because unfortunately, okay, if you're on concrete and you throw someone on concrete, it's definitely going to hurt them. It's going to hurt them. So you could understand why people would say, well, you know, if I threw you like this, I would win. So therefore, if I throw you like this in a tournament, I will win. That being said, you can get thrown even on concrete and not be knocked out and not be injured badly and that's where Jiu Jitsu comes into play because in Jiu Jitsu you throw someone the fights far from over doesn't matter how you throw them

You have to submit them you have to get body control you have to really Really dominate and submit them in order to win so the hip-ball again There are certain ip-on throws that have happened on concrete like you're you're not getting up for sure but there's also if on throws that wouldn't knock you out wouldn't wouldn't knock you out wouldn't disable you from continuing to fight but those are the rules that's one of the problems with the rules in fighting as soon as you put rules in fighting things change any rule things change sometimes they don't really matter

sometimes they do really sometimes they do matter you know one is uh like for instance in m m m m may and in jujitsu, there's a rule that says no small joint manipulation. All that means is I'm not allowed to grab one of your fingers and bend it and break it. So let's say I'm trying to choke you and you're not allowed in a jiu jitsu tournament to grab my finger and break it. You're not allowed to do that. Here's why I actually think this is a legit rule. Because if you and I were in a real fight and I had your back and I was trying to choke you and you grabbed my finger to try and break it, guess what I would do?

Get angry, probably. I would just let you break my finger as I choke you and then I'd kill you. Yeah. So it's not a game changer, but it prevents injuries. So rules like that usually make sense. Now, look, there's going to be someone that says, yeah, but if I broke your finger, you might freak out. It's true. True.

Life or death battle, though? No. Not happening. I you know even happens if if you know if you and I are training and I get a heel hook on you and since we're just training I don't really crank it and so then you get out and I might say well you know I didn't go hard because we weren't competition well guess what you also if we were in competition you might not top to that you might just let the sprain happen so it's actually it kind of cancels itself out a little bit I'm not cranking as hard as I could you're also

not avoiding tapping at all or, you know, just not going to tap, which is a different thing. So, yeah. They're all totally useful, though, in my opinion. I think that all, you know, there's a sportsmanship element to all sports, obviously. And jiu-jitsu is that those are just some of them where, look, because in a jihitsu tournament, if there was small joint manipulation, you get guys who aren't, right, Jiu-Jitsu tournament, and it's not life and death. So technically that finger breaking that finger or whatever might work.

Because it's not life or death is this guy broke my finger. I'm not going to compete with a broken finger. You know, it's not that serious to me. Yeah. Now I can't, you know, do my job for the next four weeks while I let my finger heal up. Like this is stupid. Yeah, or nothing in real life or whatever. So it's kind of like, all right, let's make that a rule because it's going to vary from person to person, you know.

And meanwhile, hey, if you get a hold of a finger and it's not that serious of somebody, it's like kind of effective, you know, it's like, because it hurts. And you get someone who's not thinking life or death, boom, they're going to be. to stop maybe like hey my fingers walking whatever so let's make that a rule let's keep it sportsman like you know the hill hook thing is kind of the same thing just to like one level lower like in practice right where and this goes for any submission really except for chokes because jokes you can just choke the guy out it's no harm no foul but like if you get a Kimura or something like that something where like the more flexible the guy is the more he'll probably be able to resist it kind of a thing and you're bending this guy's thing or heel hook or whatever if this guy you're training with thinks it's like life or death he's gonna kind of jam himself

up. Yeah. But it's up to him. He can either tap or whatever or he can be like, yeah, and get out or whatever. It's still just training. It's not that serious, you know? So it doesn't necessarily have to be a rule. So you kind of got that going on. I think that kind of goes for most sports to, you know. But you do have to be careful

because there are rules of like, for instance, in MMA, you're not allowed to kick a downed opponent in the head. Yeah. Right? So that means some of these positions are changed. Like back in the day in pride, you could kick in the head and you could knee in the head. I remember I used to spar with Dean

when he's getting ready for pride. And like if I shot on him and sprawled, he'd knee me in the head 17 times. Like legit. Teach you a mess. Yeah. And it's not a good thing. Whereas in the UFC, you're not allowed to do that.

So that means you can shoot, you can get sprawled on and the person has to adjust their attack. And it makes you, it makes shooting a much more comfortable thing because you think, oh, I'll just, you know, whatever, I'll get back to the top or I'll get back up to my feet. If you know that every time you shoot and get sprawled on,

you're going to get knead in the head nine times, that's a problem. They have the thing with, quote, downed opponents. So if you and I are fighting and you're in a position where you could knee me, but I put my hand on the ground, like up against the cage, it happens a lot I put my hand on the ground. Now I'm a quote, downed opponent. Now you're not allowed to kick or knee me in the head.

Well, that's kind of, right? The rules are starting to up. effect of the the way a fight would go. Yeah, what do they call it game in it? Yeah, you start gaming the system. That's part of it. And that's one of the things that happens with judo. Another thing in judo is you can pin someone. You know, so you if you hold someone down, you can win the match that way. In Jiu-Jitza, you can't win by pinning. Look, it sucks being on the bottom when someone's holding you down, but you don't, that that person on top either has to hold you there until it's over and hopefully they're up on points or they have to try and submit you. But, They can't finish the fight just by holding someone. So there are rules that affect and remove some of the realism from some martial arts. You know, some of the point fighting striking arts where you're, you're throwing strikes, but you're actually not allowed to, there's some where you're not allowed to strike in the head.

So you see guys come out and they have their hands down because they're just trying to deal with body blows, which totally messes up their fighting for real. So they have to be careful with rules. Nonetheless, a Nippon, in judo, you win. All right, going back to the book, the following year, May of 1934, he traveled to Kyoto for the first time in his life to test for his third degree.

He was required to take a written exam and skill test as well as compete. After passing the same, skill test he admits in his autobiography, which again, I tried to find to being clueless about the written exam, so he turned around and snatched the finish exam from the boy behind him and turned it in. Obviously, the increasingly serious Kimura still had some mischievous boy inside in the contest. At only age 16, he was awarded the rank of third degree. he'd moved up one degree for each of his three consecutive years.

Next year, he was a 10th grader about age 15 to 16. Camero fought in the saga prefectural Budokuden, red-white team match. Amazingly, with only about a year's time and grade, he threw four of the other third degrees and other opponents, including the captain of the opposing team, 10 for 10 he was awarded the rank of Yodon which is fourth degree at the age of 16 after only six years of training He was named captain of the Chinse high school team as a junior an honor usually reserved for senior now

He's a bad ass and also mentioned he's training five hours a day I mean you're training five hours a day You're not doing anything in school but just training You're now look there is a distinction between people that train hard people that are not Naturally gifted and then there's a third group which is people that are naturally gifted and they train hard If you're in that third group you're rare you're rare human because a lot of times people that are naturally gifted They get away they don't even learn how to train hard they don't even know how to train hard because they're just so naturally gifted You get other people that are that that they don't have the gift so they have to train hard so they learn to train hard and both those groups actually can become champions

But if you want to become a goat Yeah, yeah, the goat. If you want to be a goat, you've got to be in that third. You got to be George St. Pierre, naturally gifted and trained like a freaking maniac. Yeah. Right? That's what you become in those situations. So my suspicion is that Kimura had natural talent and trained like crazy.

This is what you end up with, a guy that's just murdering people when he's 16 years old. man uh a fourth don high school student was extremely rare and camira began to attract national attention in his senior year camyura competed in the national junior high school tournament in kiyoto his team advanced to the finals and he had and he had to face a very tough team from kiotto first commercial junior high school a team known for its strong groundwork noasa that's the other thing you got to remember is I mean this stuff that's going on in in high school you know judo is the sport in Japan especially in this time it's kind of you know when I talk to people from around the country and people will ask me well people used to say like oh

your sons in high school or your daughters or your what sports do they play and you always say wrestling and then for my son I'd be like oh my he's on the surf team and people are like you know what he's talking about like oh no they have a yeah he's on the surf team at his high school What do you mean? They have a surf team. They compete against other high schools. They have a California state champion like that's the way it goes Judo is like that in Japan, especially at this time This was the sport. This is what they're doing You know what's another cool thing have you have you been to Thailand? No

Never in Thailand Mui Thai. It's like the national sport and if you go to America and you flew around us town in a helicopter All the tennis courts all the basketball courts all the basketball courts, all the baseball diamonds, all the soccer fields, all those things, all those different sports in Thailand, the way I remember it, there's only one thing. There's just moitai. So you'd be walking on the street, you see like little kids just throwing moitai kicks at each other. You'd see kids kicking bags, like hanging in, instead of having, you know, if you drive that through a neighborhood in San Diego, how many basketball hoops do you see in the neighborhood? Yeah. Yeah, you see, you know, you see 25 houses. You see seven or eight basketball hoops.

in the driveway in Thailand, there's just heavy bag. Yeah. There's that many heavy bags. There's no, nothing else. That's pretty legit. Yeah, it's legit. Yeah, so, and I see, you can see videos online of, you know, this guy where I remember Stuart Cooper, Stuart Cooper films, right?

He lived in Thailand for a while and, you know, you can watch cool videos or whatever. And yeah, when you see the, yeah, they're out on the streets the same way. And that's such a good comparison where if you take football, basketball, baseball, and actually soccer and you put those all together. other in the US it's just yeah because like it's like the old thing where you know you know you see kids just playing basketball with a basket you know pinned up or you know guys just randomly playing soccer in a place where you don't really play soccer in the driveway and the cul-de-sac or something like that in fact go down neighborhoods

you'll see the basketball thing basketball basket yeah in the cul-de-sac yeah yeah for everyone kind of a thing it's like just kind of we can pick up here and pick up there whatever whatever it's the same exact thing but it's like kids random hanging out at the park two guys doing what tie over here you know just two guys do more time over there is kicking a freaking palm tree over there yeah you know and and that's what judo was at this time for Japan yeah it was like that's what we're doing yeah we're doing judo so him being a champion it's kind of like being a surfing champion in high school in California you're you're compete did they have

surf teams in Hawaii yeah were you on it no not not for high school no no no No, not in high school. In fact, now I'm thinking of it. They're like clubs. They're not for like high school, what you're talking about. No. Yeah. They have a scholastic surf program and you compete.

Yeah. Well, if they do have it in Hawaii, I don't know about it. It's like in the mountains, they have ski teams at high schools. You know, like that's just what they're doing. What about snowboarding? Probably. Probably. But, you know, I can't speak for this snowboarding.

I don't know it as well. But in New England growing up, like some kids that went to school in Vermont or New Hampshire, they had little ski teams. That's dope. So that's really, really good, for lack of a better word, indoctrination. But the judo, the whole, that's why we've covered the judo books on here. I forget the number of the podcast, but, you know, there's a whole, judo is just not a sport.

It's a whole way of being. It's a whole way of acting. And that's what they were trying to inculcate the people with was sort of a warrior spirit that was centered around this martial art judo. So this guy, Kimura, just being. As good as he is, that's saying a lot. Fast forward. He does another contest.

There's a bunch of results of contests in here. One time he had a triple victory. And his school, for the first time, became the national champions. He talks about some of those fights here, which is interesting to hear. He says, I had two big fights during my Chinse junior high days. In those days, Budo was widely and feverishly practiced. Given this background, it was a natural consequence that a young man who rapidly became famous

became a target of challenge. The first fight occurred when I was in the second year. One member of Chinse Junior High Judo Club, whose name was Aida, who competed for the position of second year student captain with me and lost, developed a hatred toward me. On a Saturday of June on my way to the school dojo, He walked up to me and said, I have a little business with you.

So come with me. In a case like this, the meaning of business is tactically understood. He uttered, you are impudent. I am going to get you today. And took out a jackknife from his pocket and suddenly thrust it at my abdominal area. I thought I evaded it successfully, but the knife got into my buttock. He got on a bicycle and started to run away. I also ran after him while bleeding from the buttock.

and finally got to his house. He stayed inside the house and did not come out. Instead, his parents came out and apologized to me thoroughly and sincerely. They said our son cut his own hand when he stabbed you. He is in his bed now at doctors on the way. It turned out that Ida's injury was more serious than mine, but I had to stay away from practice for about 20 days. So he got cut up.

Dude back in the day. Just like that. Did you know players when I'm playing? No, they're not. In my third year at school, I was challenged by K. The name of this student is kept secret in the book who is then considered to be the number one street fighter among all the junior high school students in the area He was a student of Kumamoto Commerce junior high he was small in stature but was known to pull out a knife in every street fight

It was known that when he loses his parents and relatives all join him and ambush for revenge On my way back I was about to cross the bridge. He found me and said hold it right to there come with me we walked to a park near sunset he said you are camura aren't you this was the first time that we saw each other face to face we glared each other over a distance of about one meter then suddenly he pulled out a tonto which is a freaking short sword and thrust it forward at me i evaded it grabbed him and threw him hard onto the ground now in this state he is no match to me i am k i surrender you are strong he honestly revealed his identity

and apologized. After this, none of his parents came to see me. Moreover, no junior high school student challenged me for a street fight. Yeah, dude, when you get a sword pulled on you

and you just jack the dude, you're not worried about getting picked on anymore. In the fall of 1934, he's now going to university. Taku Shoko. Taku Shoku. Taku Shoku. Again, I apologize to my Japanese people.

there from mutilating your language he's going to college now Camira defeated eight consecutive opponents lost his ninth match although Kimura smoked as did many Japanese men he reported he was an excellent long distance runner during his college years Camira said in a nineteen eighty seven interview he trained ten and a half hours a day he would begin by striking the Macchi Warra which is like a striking post the thing that you punch you seen those things the rope right I think he's the one with the rope around it One thousand times with each fist a training method he had learned from studying karate

Then he would head off to the police department dojo where he would work out with other tough judoka for about an hour a three-hour training session At Takudai followed then from 630 to about 7 30 p.m. He would train at the Kota Khan followed by a three-hour session at a local judo dojo near the campus But that was not the end of his day after I went home and eight I would I would take a bath and then do solo training first a thousand pushups then bodybuilding 600 bench presses with 80k G it's 175 pounds roughly barbells just that would take about an hour so he's going that's a savage workout I I'm thinking about doing that okay I'm thinking about getting into like dude 600 reps that's crazy that actually kind of sounds like your kind of workout you know how like you're you I don't know you told me this couple times

few times where you I was like oh what was the workout you'd be like oh yeah pull-ups today you know so bro what does that mean like mine is like four sets of five or five sets of 12 you're like yeah pull-ups today how many doing like I don't know thousands of pull-ups but it's like over time right like you just see how and that's what that sounds like where it's like yeah 80-80 kilograms I'm do 600 I mean I'll be honestly I don't like benching because because it I don't like the way it feels on my shoulder so may I have to figure out maybe there's Dumbbell equivalent or something.

Hell, yeah, dumbbells all day. So benching. Bench is a good one. I feel like, I don't know for sure, but I feel like Arnold kind of was like one of the main like proponents of bench. So it kind of got like a thing. But then again, I know there was like bench before.

There was a guy when I got to the team. And he was an older dude, you know, which means he was probably a little bit younger than me right now, but he seemed a little old at the time. But he was, he worked in the para loft, which is where they did pack parachutes and stuff. Yeah, and I think he was kind of, you know, finishing up his, uh, finishing up his career, but he would, allegedly, he would just, like, pack a parachute, like, do, do, like, let's say it takes 20 minutes to pack a parachute.

He'd pack a parachute for five minutes, get, like, to a certain step, and then just go Jack Steele for 15 minutes or 10 minutes and come back and do a little bit more. And he would just basically lift all day long. Yeah. That's the kind of thing where I think that'd be real good for you. Yeah, I mean, all this. So I learned this phrase when I was kind of getting certified to be a personal trainer back in the day. Dude, I kind of forgot about that. Yeah.

Time under tension? No. Because you've quoted that one to be before. Yeah, and that one goes deep, by the way. Some people, they think like, oh, let's just put a lot of tension on there. Or, sorry, a lot of time under tension. But that's pretty low tension if the time is going to be. Anyway, no, it's not that.

It was in regards. to you know in the there's a I don't know you don't go to public gym so in public gyms this is the thing I've been to public gyms yeah so well okay I believe it or not there you go but you'll be less familiar with this um this event this occurrence where someone will see someone doing something quote unquote wrong right and then they'll go in they'll correct them correct them or give them tips or whatever unwanted advice advice exactly right solicited advice unsolicited so you know some guys they do it to girls to maybe just get an end to talk and whatever. There's many different reasons for it. But the main, one of the main, like,

problems that would come from that sometimes is like, when you ask someone like, hey, or when you tell someone, hey, no, you're doing it wrong, here's the right way to do it. No matter how nice you say it, the thing you're missing is what are they training for? So really one of the things you have to understand is you have to know what the person is training for to be able to determine if they're doing it right or wrong. For the most part, there are exceptions, but are you training to blow out your back? Hey man. Like I said, like there are so many times where even as a professional trainer for decades or whatever,

you find out what they're training for and you're like, oh, wait a minute, that makes a lot more sense. I don't know about that kind of training. That's like some fitness routine or competition or whatever you're doing that I'm unfamiliar with and you have to admit that, obviously. So you can be surprised with that stuff where you're thinking that violates every rule that I've ever learned ever in a certification course or outside of certification course that violates it.

You go find out what they're training for you. Like, I never heard of that. So I have nothing to input on your training, you know? Anyway, so you got to, like I said, back to the point, you got to find out what they're training for. So you know how you said you just said that sounds like it'd be good for you? Yeah. Maybe.

Yeah. I mean, if you're going to be getting in 40-minute judo matches and you can bench press, that takes you an hour. I mean, if he said that took about an hour, dude, that's a lot. That's 10 reps. a minute for an hour. Yeah, so there's, um, that's a freaking

tough workout, man. So the, because there's certain physiological and biological like things that go on in your body if you train certain ways, you know, so, um, and the Bulgarian, if you look into the Bulgarian freaking training. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. So they, they do stuff

like, um, they just max out. It'd be like an eight hour training session all max out, but they'd max out like at a certain time, you know. So the reps, the volume would, be like kind of small, but the intensity would be just the highest high doubles and singles. Oh yeah. And there's all kinds of ways to do that. So it depends. Like I said, depends on what you're training for depends on the approach. Because

there are many ways to get that to that goal. Depends on the person, depends on like what kind of training. Regardless of everything that you're saying right now. Sure. Yeah. Let's face it. If you can bench press 185 pounds 600 times. Yeah. In an hour. Let's face it. Regardless of whatever you're saying, you're in good shape. That's a good training session. Good training session. So and then, but then, but think about this and you know, and I'm not just being a contrarian at all, but it's something to think about where bench, dumbbell press, whatever, that's usually for like power lifting or bodybuilding. Right. So if you're

training for like to be able to endure some punishment and still have your muscles and joints function, so that's why you're doing that training, I could see it for sure. But it goes about it goes beyond like bodybuilding because he said bodybuilding for sure it goes me it's not the best way maybe he means bodybuilding not in the way that you're thinking yeah he doesn't mean body building like I'm gonna be on the cover of a magazine he means I'm building my body for war yeah I think you're correct about that he then goes going back to the book this is his him talking about his training routine then Uchikomi which is practicing throwing without a partner

Against a maple tree a thousand times. I would wrap a judo belt around a very thick maple tree But doing that a thousand times a day the trees would snap rather quickly. It was really expensive Then I would take out a rope and do the Osotogari training So this guy is training like a madman. Camira told the same interview that he slept only about two hours a night Feeling that sleep was a waste of time No wonder he trained and no wonder he gained reputation as the training ogre or training demon. So, I ended up having some losses.

One time a guy named Osawa Kenichiro threw Camero head first onto the mat, game of concussion. Despite his concussion, he fought another match this time against Abe Kenchiro. Abe was another judo prodigy. youngest ever and some of his advancements and he lost

or he also beat Camira had another loss by Yamamoto Hideo so he had some losses and of course it says this in the book Camira was extremely upset

by the unusual experience of losing and reportedly considered quitting judo for a time Oh, that's that day when you go to the Jiu-Jitsu mats and you think, man, this isn't for me. That's actually, that's actually a overused joke of mine. You know, like if I have a rough day on the mat, I'm like, man, I walked out of here yesterday. I was thinking maybe I just need to give up Jiu-Jitsu.

You know, that's forever. Yeah, but that's how though, right? Remember, like how you, did you have a word for? I think you might be talking about something else, but got the guys in the teams who are there like so good at stump something and they've never lost it. They don't really lose. So when they lose, it devastates them way worse than the average guys.

This isn't the SEAL team. This is going through buds. Yeah, like a guy going through buds who's a gazelle. Gazzal, meaning they always win. They won everything their whole life.

They never lost anything. And then they just, yeah, they lose. It's devastating. Yeah, they can't handle it. Can't handle the press.

Uh-oh. So is that you feel like there was some gazelle-like qualities in that scenario for, for Kimara? Nope, I don't think so.

I think that he had won a bunch. Yeah. Okay, a little bit. That was like a jaco kind of tendency. That was like a little like, what were you're saying about squat.

where you're like I think it's what the 20 reps squads? Yeah, 20 ready. I don't even want to be strong. I don't know if I want to be strong. It's not even worth it. I'd rather just be weak. Just get me out of here. Just because like the 20 reps scops are so daunting.

You're like questioning your whole strength existence. Those those those squats when you do those 20 reps squats for real, when you do them for real, they're, they're a journey, a mental journey. You know how we've had people on the podcast talking about their psychedelic journeys with like Iowa. And all this stuff and they're screaming and crying and like their insides are burning and all this stuff if you do 20 reps squats correctly Yeah same thing bro do you just do one giant set or or one like hard set or is it like Like two three set how many sets do you do with 20 when I was really into that Yeah I I have this where it's actually the book discipline equals freedom Field manual I I haven't done this in a long time and I would need to like change my lifestyle a little bit

it again and get back in the game on that particular game. So I used to do warm up and then I would do 20 rep squat, 20 minute break, 20 minute squat, or 20 rep squat, 20 minute break, 20 rep squat. So we'd take one hour. And it would be 20 minutes of recovery. It was horrible. It was so I would, by the time I got done, like I would take, you know, get done, go for a jog to and move some of the lactic acid.

And by the time I got done, I would be thinking, like I have to do this again in whatever it is, five days. And I'd be like upset about it and not one. I'd be thinking maybe I should get into crochet. Maybe I should get into like some other thing. What's funny about that, I can relate 100% by the way. But what's funny about that, especially when you're like, freaking like, you're so mad that you have to do it.

You know, it's your workout. You made it up. You don't have to do anything, you know, but it's like you're so like connected to the workout. It's like 20 reps squats. If you only got 19 reps, like you'll probably be mentally kind of jammed up for a little bit. Oh, yeah. But I have that too. That's weird.

The, and this is fresh in my mind about the 20 rep squat. So I've never done the 20 reps squats. Like that I've done 20 reps of squat before, of course. You haven't done it with a weight that you can only do 10. Yeah, like as the workout, I've done 15 and actually did 15 today. But here's the thing. It's not. It's different.

So I did my regular squat routine. And then I just put a light weight on there and I did 15. But this is at the end. And I try to keep my rest to kind of a minimum. So I'm like kind of like jammed up. So like let me bust out 15 real quick. My legs are burning right now. They're weaker. You know, you're like weaker. And I went and my usual higher rep is 12. That's my usual higher rep day. So once I hit the 12, I could just feel my body like strength just drop off at 13. Yeah. Like almost like physiologically, it thought it was done. Like for real. So at 13 it was like almost like the thing got so heavy all of a sudden. Then I did. 14 and then like the 15th it was kind of that like how you said that almost like an outer body experience kind of like hey your legs kind of don't really work anymore look it was lighter weight so I get it but I could feel the little hints of this where like your legs don't work anymore

like hey like your legs are saying hey we're not supposed to be doing this and they check out so you're just like using your whole brain to get like the rep or whatever I'm like dang what if I had to do 20 of those things even with that weight right there but I think I think that might take me off to a distant land. You gotta get used to that. You do. You do. I saw freaking Josh Hanger, right?

You know that is, right? Josh Hanger. He trains at autos. He was Keenan's guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he, it was like just a video clip that he posted or whatever. He was like, oh yeah, finishing out my leg workout

with a set of 20, and it was two wheels, 225. And he did all 20. And he's smaller than me. I was like, bro, you got me beat by a lot, Hawaiian. That is some shit. So that being said, we're talking about this quitter's mindset that can come in.

And it came to Kimura. And he lost a few times, lost four times. And he says, maybe I should just quit. But then going back to the book, his competitive personality and the encouragement of several friends led him to rededicate himself. He's to train even harder. At the university, he trained to increase his strength by carrying around. 132 pound bag of sand he said I thought practicing twice as much as others would be sufficient since I heard others were practicing about three hours a day in reality however they had been

practicing about four hours a day which I found out later he gets revenge there's a section called revenge Osawa Kenjiniro Okanishiro one of those who had defeated Kimura in competition regularly trained at the Kaysu police dojo and camura exacted his revenge on osawa there throwing him for ipon abe kenshiro was more difficult to catch up with because their paths seldom crossed but kimura caught wind of the fact that abe was going to be training at the kodokon on a certain day and showed up to challenge him the 500 mat dojo was silent except for the two judoka during the 20 minute practice abe was thrown many times Kimura threw Abe to the hardwood floor,

presumably off the edge of the mat, 11 times and six times to the tatami. Disgusted, Abe eventually quit. At the time, Kimura was still a college student while Abe had graduated and was a professional instructor. So he got his little vengeance. Those were in the training hall, but it sounds like if you're in the training hall

and everyone stops and watches you, you know what I mean? Like it's one thing like, oh, let's say you and I had, you know, you'd beat me in a tournament. And then I went to your academy and I beat you or you came to my or whatever. We met at a neutral academy just in a training session like an open map. And then I beat you. I wouldn't feel like I really got my vengeance. Yeah.

But if everybody stopped and they were watching and then I threw you 11 times onto the hardwood. Yeah. I'd be like, yeah, you know what's up now. Yeah. There's a little bit of revenge. Oh, yeah. And especially, and that's a good point too when everyone stops in. watches, right? Where I mean, there's a few subtle elements that are sometimes, most of the time,

like they're intangible, only the two people that are competing or practicing feel it, where, you know, like, when things escalate and you feel the sense of training start to diminish and the sense of competition really take over, you know? Like, we all had that before. Come on. So with a scenario like this where it's like, hey, he beat me in the tournament and then you start feeling that bubble up and then people start watching, that's when you know. That's like 100%. Like, hey, this is no longer training this it's on this is the rematch going on right now I feel like that's the case okay you don't feel that no I think you're right I think when you have a bunch of when you have a 500 mat that's a huge dojo it's a Kodakom and that's a massive place and everyone's

watching you feel that escalation you're getting smashed like however many times in a row breath imagine being that much of a champion like Abe was and somebody comes and just beat you whatever 17 times that's humiliation yeah that's rough in the fall of 1937 Kimura repeated his victory as all Japan collegiate champion in the bi-annual tournament winning six matches three with a Sotogari one with it paul one with his increasingly famous arm lock and won by pin as a result of this win Kimura became the first student permitted to enter the all Japan judo championship held October 23rd and 24th 1937 in the final

he goes against a guy Nakajima, Mazayuki, who's a fifth Don. He's got these, there's a really good, and hey, I'm just reading little excerpts of this book. Obviously, get the book. Get the book, Christopher M. Clark. I don't think I mentioned his name yet, but that's the book.

It's Christopher M. Clark who wrote the book. Get the book. It's on Amazon. I'm only reading some highlights from it. So if you want the details, get it. But he goes into a pretty good description of how he, of this competition but uh let me let me take you through what he says he says after after the 30 minute battle both my skin and ghee were soaked with sweat sweat was dripping in so much quantity

that i could hardly open my eyes i had to open my eyes alternately to see before the next overtime I and Nakajima sat to bring our ghee to the proper position. I tried to untie the belt, but I could not generate enough force in my hands to do so. The knot felt as hard as a stone. My fingers were almost completely powerless so that it took me a long time to fix the ghee. Then I saw Nakajima extend his legs alternately rub his calves with his hands. I thought those legs are the key for my victory. I retightened my black belt and watched his motion carefully.

As soon as the judge announced start, I tackled at his legs. He fell on his buttocks. I then caught him thinking I could never win if I lost this chance and frantically held him pinned. The intense battle, which lasted 40 minutes, finally ended. So that's kind of crazy. There's another, in preparing for that match, and I read an interview with him as well, but he has like a, basically, it's a near-death experience that he has.

It says this in the book, Camero constantly pushed himself to find his limits. In 1936, while training for the national championships, he had what he called a mysterious experience in which I truly discarded my life. So he goes to this other dojo. And they actually had an actually, Miha and I were talking about this.

Miha pointed out that they have something called Dekego, which is practice outside one's regular dojo, which is really smart. It's really smart, not just to only, look, it's great to have a great school that you train at, but it's also good to go and try other, go to other gyms. And this is for anything.

You know, in the SEAL teams, like when I ran training, we had Rangers that came and worked with us. We had special forces guys that came. Hey, how do you guys? We would send guys to their schools. Why? Because we want to practice outside of our own dojo. We want to get the other look. You know, that's kind of a term that gets used these days.

Get another look. So that's actually how I met Meeha, because Meeha was coming. You know, some of the guys from Legion come down here. You know, like let's mix it up. You know, on an open mat day at victory, there's people from every, basically every academy in Southern California, really. So that's a good plan. So that's what Kimura does in this particular instance. And he says, I went to train and there were about 82 students there, all of whom who were under, who had been undergoing strenuous training.

They were strong back then. We were talking about an instructor's college. I said And he asked a polite way of asking the trainees to engage in practice I'm not going to try and use the Japanese because they have it in here And stepped down to the dojo So he basically says hey who wants to train and he says it in a friendly way And he stepped in for a type of training that's called continuous attack practice

Which to me kind of sounds like what we might call a shark tank son He says I had won the student championship So when I threw one of them, the necks would charge at me, and I'd try to hang on and go all out to throw him. I thought that even if I went to my knees, I would get the ip on. I'd do about five minutes with one person for around 70 people. At some point, I began to feel faint. And when I braced myself against it, I lost consciousness and fell forward. However, my body was moving.

Even though I lost consciousness, the offense and defensive techniques kept on fighting for me. I don't know where I went then. When I looked, about 15 students of the instructors college were gathered together looking at something in one corner of the dojo. I wondered what they were doing while I was training. And when I glanced over, I saw somebody stretched out on the floor. When I looked down from above, I said, hey, isn't that me? When I looked at my face stretched out on the floor, it looked calm and peaceful. I was smiling as I slept. I was smiling as I slept. I felt that this was a really good way to sleep. So strenuous was the practice that even Kimura felt he was dying.

Heart beating so fast he thought his heart was going to explode. However, he held on and gradually regained his strength and mental power back. Through this experience, he realized that no matter how exhausted he would eventually regain his power back, this belief was one of the reasons for Kimura's unbelievable victories. Taking it to the limit, as we like to say. crazy have an out-of-body experience he's on the ayahuasca

dm-t kameira jiu-jitsu man it feels so good when that happens look I haven't I don't other than being knocked out or choked out unconscious in both those categories where you have an out-of-body

experience which I've definitely had both those but to push yourself in that hard in training Like I've never done that but every time you go hard in training man you feel good when you're done and there's something there's something about Jiu jitsu I must say That's better than normal like let's say you and I were like hey let's go do a sprint workout. Let's go do a Metcon like let's do something that's so super hardcore That doesn't feel the same there's not the same goodness Yeah, am I wrong you're you're really right next to so in a in all

oddly and coincidentally recently this was part of my like rabbit hole thought process as well like why is that right where it's like okay you could say in which i think i would agree with where it's like when you're kind of especially as a male human being you you battling against like another male is like kind of like there's a payoff on top of the payoff with that kind of exercise or whatever sure i think that's true but after a while i was thinking like hey i think i think i think it's this. I think like you know how like you when you're really good friends with someone and it's kind of like, oh, I could be doing this thing. But if my friend was here with me, we could do it together and we could like share in the fun times and whatever. And then when you think of that long term, when you have like a really good friend, you share in the fun times and the junk times, then you come back to normal and you can go, you can, hey, remember that time where this thing and it really sucked and we, but you guys went through it together. Shared suffering. This shared suffering. Exactly right. So now you have a combination of it. And I think sometimes, someone, someone's

in some weird way, I feel like this is kind of part of the purpose of life, I think, where you have that shared suffering and it's concentrated. It's really concentrated. Shared suffering, shared joy, exercise and everything that that comes with. Because it's not like normal exercise. Think about like how hard 10 rounds is because we did 10 rounds earlier. I only did 8. But unless eight is still, you know, something.

Think how hard that is as far as output goes. It's like if you had one of those monitors or whatever. Like think about it, like to replicate a workout like that within that amount of time, which is like, you know, you figure there five minute rounds, what 45? I don't know how long in between, but consider the whole time frame. Yeah. And then the output. That is a hard workout.

Then you know what else is cool is you get done with a jihitsu workout. You know that no matter what level you're at, even if you're a white belt and you're on your third month and you train hard. you know you know that you can now be basically anyone that wasn't in there with you that day you know what I mean

excluding other jih Tjitsu people obviously because you're only a white belt you only been training for three months but that's a small number when you talk about the population of earth so you get that thing where you're like even the other day okay we did a bunch of rounds

with a bunch of really good people just being there on that map means that there most people on planet Earth you can actually take. Right? They were not on that map. They were not on that mat. Yeah.

And yeah, and that goes with like kind of what I was saying earlier where like you know like that just what that entails and what that kind of delivers to you. That's part of like the whole joy of like especially afterwards when everything is settled. Right. That's one of the things that got delivered to you. But the part where you kind of connect with another guy in that in that way where like me and you were straight up going to battle. it's a proxy for a battle, but we did. Like as far as our brains are concerned, we kind of did. So we had the shared suffering, we had all that stuff.

And then we opposed each other. And at the end, we sort of made up, right? We're no longer enemies anymore. And let's face it, when you battle with a guy super hard, like in real life, like you hate each other or whatever as a kid and you hate each other. And then at the end of the day, you're kind of like, wait a second, we're kind of the same. And then you become friends with them. I feel like that's kind of a natural part of existence as well.

So I think you get some kind of a payoff. deep down. I think you get some sort of a payoff. Generally speaking with that rule, right? So I feel like all of those elements all mixed together in one experience, the Jiu Jitsu experience. I think that's why it feels so good. There's a weird dichotomy. So in Ramadi, we worked with this battalion of soldiers called the first of the 506, Red Curahee. I hear good. Band of brothers. Best, you know, awesome guys. And they had a little saying, that was we stand alone together.

So that's kind of what happens when you're juitsu. Like you're alone together. Yeah. So kind of a cool thing. And you think about when you roll with a guy who you've never met before and you roll with him and you guys have a solid sick room.

No matter who gets who or who doesn't retire. It doesn't matter the outcome, but you have a sick role with them. You kind of feel connected to him. Oh, for sure. You see that guy the next week like at the store Yeah, bro, you're way better friends than if he was in your class in college or something like that You didn't get the groceries out to the car and whatnot

Well, freaking, you guys are kind of friends like you jump levels in the relationship with one role Um, so he wins this national championship, right? He's the all Japan national champion He says he couldn't sleep for excitement Despite exhausting two days of competition. He did 500 push-ups and a kilometer of bunny hops but Camura still didn't sleep well. As he laid down in bed, he said to himself, today's victory was a fluke.

I had more stamina than Nakajima simply because I'm younger than he is. Could I beat him again? Probably not. I would lose next time. Before the tournament, Camer's goal had been merely to win the national championship.

Now, however, he decided he wanted to remain undefeated champion for 10 years. He realized that to call him His goal he would have to redouble his efforts and train harder than anyone else possibly could Mulling over his goal he finally came up with what he called triple effort training regimes As he later told it I am the champion others would start to train six hours a day to beat me I could not beat them as long as I trained as hard as others

If my opponents trained twice as hard as others then I will train three times as hard as others I e nine hours a day This way I would gain an extra three hours a day and I will do this every day. The accumulation of these extra hours will become my flesh and blood. That is my skills and my mental power. That's what he's doing. When's the national championship and realize he's going to train three times harder than anybody else? All this physical activity gave Kimura a monstrous appetite.

The 91, the 1937 championships, he reportedly celebrated by eating 13 bowls of rice during his prime 8, 78 bowls of rice in the morning, 12 bowls of rice in the evening plus some fish, such as Red Snapper and Iwashi, which is sardines. This dude's grubbing down. Fish and rice. Kimura's principal coach during his prime competing years was Ushijima,

Tatsukuma. Ushijima's teaching was as ferocious as his own training, according to Hirano training under Ushiima, Ushi Jima was hell training. A class consisted of five minutes of warmups, followed by three to four hours of nothing but continuous Nuwaza, which is interesting to here. Nawazas is what we do in Jiu-Jitsu, which is rolling, basically.

It was considered disgraceful to tap out and surrender when being choked. So at any time, four or five students were likely to be lying unconscious on the tatami as others continue to practice around that. Yeah, Mihai and I were laughing about that one. Like there's just bodies, dude. There's just bodies on the mat, you know. And hey, five minute warm up, then four hours of Nawaza, four hours of training.

I like that. Ushijima's teaching was tough, was as tough psychologically as it was physically. His model reportedly was, attack till your heart stops beating. He had no patience for self-congratulations or excuses after Kimura won eight matches in a row and received his Godon at the 1934 Kodakon competition. He went back to Ushijima to proudly show his accomplishments rather than praise him for his victories. However, Ushijima slapped his face repeatedly telling him that competition is equivalent to a real sword. kill or get killed duel between bushi warriors to throw an opponent means to kill him being thrown

means being killed you killed eight men you got killed by the ninth man remember if you devote your life to judo you can only survive by throwing your opponents or fighting to a draw no matter how many tough opponents you face so ferocious was ushi jima's desire to win that in one famous match he won a tournament because he will because in the end he was able to secure his opponent while controlling him using his jaws and teeth to hold him by the belt that was the true spirit of buditsu judo that ushi jima and kimura lived by as historian john stevens recounts the style ushiima had trained in was quote extreme there was no such thing as a draw the match went on until one of the competitors gave up or died some matches Matches were fought with a wooden dagger kept in one's belt if you pinned your opponent you could mimic cutting off his head with the dagger Ushijima's judah was the same attack attack attack Ushiima visited every dojo he could find to engage anyone who is willing to rent in Willing in Randori and spent much of his nights

lifting heavy boulders and striking trees with his hands to bear to build strength The night before match he drank turtles blood on the morning of the match he ate powder made from the body of a poison adder. He would seclude himself in a cave for a week, doing Zazen and reading Musashi's book of five rings. He nearly trained himself to death, developing a life-threatening viral infection that ended his career. Ushijima retired from competition in 1934,

thereafter devoting himself to making Kimura's, the world's top fighter. So there you go. I mean, no slack. No slack. Having overcome his four losses and adopting a ferocious training program, Kimura went on to win tournament after tournament. He's the champion from 1938 to 1941. Talking about that triple effort training.

Soon after Kimura started his triple effort training, rumors began to circulate about how his rivals were stepping up in their training. And this is what Kimura has to say. Initially, I listened to this information with confidence thinking, I will never lose since I've been training more than nine hours a day. However, after a while, I started to doubt my self-confidence. In those days, I was interested in Zen. I wanted to reach the state of no ego, discover secret judo techniques, and throw around tough opponents using the techniques. But in reality, I missed a chance to go to a Zen temple one after another.

That is because it was evident that I would lose my precious time for training by doing so. After all, humans are weak. When they get sick or get into trouble, they depend on God. I was no exception. I meditated trying to reach the state of no ego. I first struggled to reach the state of no ego, but I soon lost the force for struggling and forgot about tomorrow's bout and the fact that I was sitting.

Soon after reaching the state, the character, Wynn, appeared in my mind. Actually, it says appeared on my mind. But the character soon got superimposed on the character of loss. However, my mind was already empty. I did not make any effort to get the character of Wynn. I don't know how much time has elapsed since I started to sit. Suddenly my whole body became hot as if somebody poured boiling water over me from the top of my head and my body started to tremble. Then I noticed the character of Wynn was shining at the center of my forehead as if it had been waiting for me to notice its appearance.

I will win tomorrow's bouts. I was convinced of my victory with pleasure. I believe that it was a message from God. that can only be given to those who push to the maximum limit of mental and physical strength and get to the border, get to the border between life and death. If I had pursued only pleasure, I would have seen the character of loss. God sides with only those who challenge a difficult task despite the possibility of death. Even though I had wished, even though I, even though I had no special belief in any religion,

It was my interpretation of the existence of God. I then calmed down for my joyful feeling of victory, turned on the light of the room, and prayed for the protection from various gods. I also prayed to the ancestors of the Kimura family. Centuries ago it is said that Musashi Miyamoto, who was called the greatest sword master in history, visited a shrine before his battle with the Yoshika family and tried to be. to pull a bell uttering God, please protect me, but remained, but regained his calmness and did not ring the bell. I do not count on gods.

It was his motto. I thought, if I had lived the same era of Musashi, pursued the way of the sword, and even fought Musashi, I would never lose. At worst, the fight would go even. So there you go. Some meditation going on, digging deep.

Here's a little section I had to talk about because echo Charles. It's called Kimura weightlifter ahead of his time Few Japanese martial artists in the first half the 20th century engaged in systematic Strength or weightlifting training some utilized old school methods such as Kimura's carrying around a bag of heavy sand. It was not until the late 1950s and early 1960s When American martial artist Don Drager began to introduce Western weightlifting and strength training methods to that such exercise became became became commonplace among Judoka. Kimura was decades ahead of this time however as early as his college years in the mid-1930s Kimura had became a devoted weightlifter a method that contributed significantly to his ability to overpower his opponents albeit with excellent technique in his prime Kimura did

hundreds of push-ups and other strength exercises but he supplemented them with bench presses overhead presses and other weight training exercises although the photo on the next page shows him benching a substantial amount apparently more than 300 pounds he mostly focused on high repetitions with moderate weight according to his own account he would perform 500 to 600 repetitions a bench with 175 pounds an astonishing feat of endurance and strength so this is like you know kind of his gig yeah amazingly chimera had camira made all the foregoing accomplishments before graduating from college. That's incredible. But while he was attending Takudai and tearing and tearing up the judo to Tommy, the broader world was closing in. Since 1937, Japan had been

engaged in a near full-scale war with China and many of Japan's young men were being drafted in the service. After Kimura's graduation in March, 1941, he was kept on as an assistant martial arts department of Takudai as a judo teacher. He worked in that capacity until November when he resigned and took two months to go home before his military induction in January in 1942 entering the Amkai air defense unit on January 1st, 1942, Camira apparently was involved in defending Japan's southern sector. He recounts a fascinating story, incident that may have indirectly saved his life. And he says this. One day there was an announcement that a master of Jukendo was to come to our unit. His name was why. Note the name is kept anonymous.

who is regarded as the number one in Japan and was 8th Don. All the members in the unit got together in the field at 1 p.m. to receive instruction from Mr. Y. He explained the basics of thrust and defense. He then looked around us and said, any volunteer for practice with me, come forward without any reservation. But nobody came forward. If I engaged in a match with such a master, I would get humiliated or could get killed. men around me whispered suddenly the captain called my name now i cannot retreat i walked up to the master slowly as slowly as possible to buy time and come up with a workable strategy if i engage in

a bayonet combat there is no way i can win if i would it would be like a fight between an adult and a child since i had never held a wooden gun in my life we bowed to each other and held the wooden gun toward each other i tense up. The instructor said, thrust, thrust, come on, what's the matter? I knew I would lose as soon as I thrust the gun at him. So, I waited for the right moment for attack. I fainted a thrust, then threw the wooden gun in his face with full force. At the moment he deflected the wooden gun. I attacked at his knees. He fell to the ground. I mounted the chest, removed his face guard despite his shouting, wait, wait, and tried to deliver finishing blow to his face. Stop, stop. It's over. The captain stepped in and

separated us, but it was clear that I had won the fight. The master looked as if he had not understand what had happened to him, dropped his head and left the scene. There's a classic. Just left. Damn. Just left the scene. And that's a classic.

You ever done that before? What? Like, you know, somebody's got a stick. Somebody's got a, you know, someone's got something. They're going to, they're going to fight you. And you just close the distance? No. I don't think of, no.

Yeah. It's one of those things where. You're like, you know, I'm too dead. It's one of those. You know the dog brothers, right? Yeah. Yeah, so the dog brothers, the dog brothers, nothing but awesomeness.

Like these guys were up in the L.A. area. I don't know what they're doing right now. I have to look into it. But the dog brothers would do weapons fighting. Like, go check out their YouTube videos of dog brothers. The dog brothers would fight with weapons. They'd fight with sticks. Primely it started with sticks,

but then you'd see people in there with chains and with all kinds of crazy stuff. And they'd wear like a Kempo helmet. usually and maybe they'd wear lacrosse gloves so you wouldn't get like broken fingers which we talked about but other than that it was on so you'd have you'd have two guys with sticks or staffs or nun chucks like legit and they would fight each other man chains like it's mayhem well there's some videos where people are jih Tzu guys and what the jiu jih Tzu guys would do is kind of what this says just

you know, throw a stick at him and then just bum rush them and close the distance. Because once you're on somebody, they're striking isn't going to work anymore. Yeah. So that's, this is a good plan. If you're, if you're a grappler, you don't want to, you don't want to fight someone, you know, with a bayonet that's trained with bayonet. You don't want to fight a boxer that's trained in boxing. You don't want to train a Muay guy that's trained in Muay Thai. You want to close the distance.

You want to get it close to them so their striking doesn't work or run away. Keep your dead. Needless to say Kimura was sure he was going to catch hell from the captain This is after the guy ran away but the effect was quite the opposite not long afterward an announcement was made that those who wish to be sent to combat should see the captain Kimura volunteered and was given a five-day leave to visit his parents When he returned he reported to the captain who said I have known about your achievements in judo I like judo too and often practiced in Kodakon Compared with you I must be like a kid

but I still got the fourth Don. He poured whiskey into a glass and continued. The match you did with the Jukendo master was very interesting. First, nobody stepped forward. I knew nobody had a chance against him since he was the best master in the country. But if nobody volunteered, the dignity of our unit would be tarnished. So even though I thought I would be discourteous to you, I picked you. But once the match started, I got badly shaken when I saw your posture

since you looked like a complete novice. Yes, that is right. I had never grabbed the wooden gun before. I thought so. But I did not even imagine the tactics you used. I felt like bowing to you, thinking, after all, a man who excels in one art is different from others. After the match, Mr. Y came to me and asked,

who in the world is he? I then told him about your achievements. He was deeply impressed saying, no wonder he's the number one judo master in the world. The captain then paused and turned his eyes downward. engaging in thought he continued this is super top secret so do not tell us to anyone he lowered his voice tone and said do you really want to go to the battlefield yes absolutely really but that's a problem i had no idea what the problem was you will be sent to the Solomon islands he said

it is certain that b 29s will be 29s will be 20s will be waiting for our unit our plan is absolutely reckless all the members on board will perish in the ocean don't you think it's better to use your talent in judo and work for the benefit of the country instead of wasting your life on the battlefield i think that is the right thing for you do you still want to go to the battlefield i replied yes i do suddenly his tone of voice changed my order is the emperor's order you are not allowed to go after all it became an order i had to follow his order I said I will withdraw my volunteer application he then murmured very good very good later on I heard that the transportation ship unit I was going to get on board was

discovered by B-29s immediately before reaching the Solomon Islands had oil scattered over the entire deck received numerous bombs and was engulfed in flames of over 500 and several tens of members only one of them survived and managed to swim to a nearby island despite a severe burn in retrospect I owe my life to the captain judo moved him and saved my life Kimura stayed for the rest of his tour on the mainland Japan apparently transferred to a post near asakura his home island in southern Japan although he was in the army he reported he was allowed to teach judo once a week at the high school camero is known as a heavy drinker as well as smoker and according to one account showed up at the school one day after drinking

excessive amount of sake he was holding a class on the waza after demonstrating the choke holds he called on the students to try them out on him although Camero was extremely strong and had a neck like a bull he was choked into unconsciousness by one of the students as a result of his intoxication there's no evidence that this experience reformed his drinking habits but it must have been at least mildly embarrassing for the national judo champion to have been choked out by a mere high cool kid he's on that sauce it's very strange I you know you just the alcohol is so strong you know this guy's got to know that it's not helping his judo career remember we're

talking about addictive personalities yeah sounds like he's in the game he's in his own I mean nine hours of training a day that sounds like it might be addictive personality alcohol is just one of the many he's smoking cigarettes smoking cigarettes Kimura got married on July First, 1945, even as Japan was preparing to face invasion by the increasingly victorious Allied armies and navies. Fast forward here, the war is over. The occupation authorities closed down the Boutokutai, the headquarters for all martial arts, and banned the practice of judo, Kendo, and other militaristic endeavors. Shut it down.

He says here, fast forward a little bit. I was standing at the end of a line of 60 or 70 people waiting for a train and was reading a paper. Suddenly for MP this is military police is the occupation forces men passed through the line nearby me forcibly when I turned my eyes to them I found them shouting Jap Jap repeatedly One of them grabbed the Japanese man and at the front of the line by the collar pulled the man toward him And made made a ring with the pointing finger and thumb and stuck the nose the Japanese man with the flipped pointing finger with full force the man covered his nose with his hip hands and stooped down from the pain the MP did this to the MP men did this to everyone in the

line one by one including women when someone did not stoop low they delivered another strike my turn was approaching while I was wondering about what to do my turn came one of the MP men extended his arm trying to grab my lapel I struck his hand with full force the facial expression changed suddenly the four MP men surrounded me and took me to the middle of a bridge nearby the station. This was not an ordinary fight to me. I had to win this fight to defend the honor of judo. One of them came suddenly and threw a right straight at my face. I blocked the punch with my left arm and kicked him in the groin with full force. He crumpled on the spot. When I turned back my head, another huge MP extended his arms and attacked me trying to grab me from behind.

I then hit his right arm with a hard knife hand and threw him into the river. There were two, the other two were watching the scene in amazement but charged at me, only one by one. I delivered a head butt into the face of the third man. He was knocked out. I disposed to the last man by squeezing his balls with full force. Ever since I was in junior high, I have been called master groin squeezer and had an absolute confidence in this technique.

I had asked all the audience to keep it quiet since I would be in big trouble if the news got to the MP supervisors. But somebody must have leaked the news. I started to regret what I had done, but my concern turned out to be unnecessary. When I got to the MP headquarters, Captain Shepard said, thank you for punishing the rogue MPs. They are the worst ones in our unit. They have sexually assaulted women, ate and drank without paying, threatened people with a pistol. We were about to be forced to punish them.

They are also depressed after you beat them up. I'm truly thankful to you. I heard that you are the greatest judo master in Japan. I have a request to you. Could you teach us judo once or twice a week? Of course, I will pay you. I myself. Anxious to learn judo.

So that's how he kind of starts bringing it back. That's a scene out of a movie though, huh? Just kicking four guys his ass. But you can see how it's happening. Again, this isn't a time where like, you know, these guys, what, a couple MPs, four MPs, did one of those guys wrestle? Apparently not. Did one of those guys box? Apparently not.

If they're just random dudes. And you're talking about. Yeah. A dude that's bench pressing, uh, 175 pounds, 600 times an hour. And he trains judo nine hours a day. Yeah. This is a skilled dude. World champion.

World champion. Borderline unbeatable human being. Yeah. That's, when you see a movie and a guy takes on four people, you're kind of like, you know, but if you put in the light of this actual human,

yeah. We're nodding in agreement. And you're talking about like a judo guy, right? Where it's not like a, like a, you know, I mean, no disrespect to the Aikido, but like, you know, let's say if his Aikido guy,

it's like it's different, you know. Judo guy training that hard for real judo for that long, that effective, that successful against an untrained guy. Just one on one, this guy literally is like one of the easiest things to defeat as a person. It's like super easy, right? They got four of them. It's actually not that much of a factor. I mean, sure, you're going to take some, this, a hit here and there or whatever, but his

training is harder than probably anything they could do to him as far as like hitting them or whatever. Just one training session is way harder, way more. And they're used to beating people up. Oh, yeah. You know, they're not used to any aggression whatsoever. So they don't even have the idea to like gang tackle this guy. They can't even get their mind right.

They're just, even two of them are watching this happen. You know what I mean? Yeah. That to me is very, very, very believable. And they're surprised. As they're watching, you see a guy's getting their asses kick. See a guy get thrown into the river. Yeah.

You're like, what the hell just happened? Imagine if you haven't really seen all that, you know, and you see two, three of your friends just get handled like super easily, almost like this guy's been training for this exact moment, and then now you're next. And you have no training. Or maybe some street training because that's their jam, right? You just have no idea what you're doing.

You go to grab the guy and you're literally getting thrown. Like a judo player, it's hard for you and me to imagine because we've been training for so long. It's hard to imagine what it's like to not have any training. You know, I don't remember what it's like to not know Jiu-Jitsu anymore. I mean, when I talk about like Master Chief Bailey, like, I just remember that instance of like, well, this is confusing. But I don't remember what was actually what it was like the day before that. And like if I would have looked, and I'd been in a lot of fights actually growing up. I've been in a lot of fights. But what my thought process was was just ignorant. In ignorance is the wrong word. It's just like a hollow emptiness. Yeah, like a big blindness. You don't see anything. You see one or two things and you think that's the whole story.

It's not even part of the story. You just have no idea. Check. Talks a little bit more about the ban on martial arts. The ban of martial arts. The ban on teaching martial arts extended to all levels of schools. The banning of judo schools, one of the pre-war strongholds of judo training, seriously impacted the ability of pre-war judoka to practice and eliminated hundreds of teaching jobs for top judoka.

As late as 1947, there were. still great confusion about the legal status of teaching and practicing traditional martial arts, especially in schools at all levels. It was not till between 1947 and 1950 that controls on the martial arts were loosened and judo and other martial arts were again permitted to be taught in schools. Even if such, and I'm just skimming some of these highlights of what, you know, what he's going through. Even if such restrictions had not been imposed on the teaching and practice of judo, many judoka were in no economic position to spend their time training.

This was true of Kimura as well. From the end of the war, Kimura was unable to practice at all. He was trying to support his family with unstable jobs, such as broker for coal sales, bodyguard, etc. Nonetheless, Kimura entered one of the first judo tournaments held after the war, 1947 West Japan Judo Championship. Kimura's pride, he won that. Camura's prize for defeating both opponents was the equivalent of $10,000. Damn, that's pretty good in 1947.

Oh, yeah. Much needed windfall that helped to support his family during the difficult early post-war years. Following the tournament, Kimura was promoted to 7th. Don, the first All-Japan championship held since 1940 was contested on May 2nd, 1948. Kimura likely would have been a favorite, but he's denied entry because of his refusal to return the championship flag, which he had kept after winning four consecutive all-Japan championship tournaments before the war. So this is something that came up and they basically was given a flag and he didn't return it to like the judo people and they were mad at him and they were really mad at him.

And so they didn't even let him in the tournament. Kimura did participate in the 1949 All Japan Championship at age 32. He remembered his match against Ishikawa, one of the toughest and most consistent opponents. after a second overtime, and again, I'm fast-forwarding, but there's really cool details about these matches. After a second overtime, the judge's decision had to be rendered. All three judges raised both red and white flags. It was a draw.

The 1949 championships was the highlight of Kimura's judo career. It was the last time Kimura would compete in the All-Japan Championship, leaving him with four wins and a co-championship. So that last time that he competed, he actually had a draw, and there was dual champions there. Shortly after 1949, after winning 1949, all Japan championship, Kimura was offered the highly prestigious position of judo instructor of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police. He began working there in April of 1950, but the salary was insufficient to support his family now consisting of a wife, son, and daughter, especially since his wife had contracted tuberculosis. Medicine was extremely rare and expensive in post-war Japan.

Kimuro could simply not afford treatment on the police department's salary. And the reason that this is important to bring up is because he had to figure out what to do to get money. Luckily, there's a new startup. New startup. I don't know if they used that term back in the day, but there's a professional judo came out. In pro judo's first tournament, Kimura worked his way through various opponents to reach the finals where he faced six Don. Yamaguchi, Toshio. Kimura beat Yamaguchi by a Soto-Gari, followed by a pin, becoming the first professional judo champion.

Then this guy that he fought, Yamaguchi, started getting the pro wrestling scene. And there's a whole story that we need to get Josh Barnett on here to get that we can get down and get the whole history of Japanese professional wrestling and where it came from and how it went. And we got the Americans that came over. The Americans that were catch wrestlers that went over to Japan and taught these guys how to do this stuff. but Kimura got involved in that and you know went to Hawaii given a three-month contract to demonstrate judo on the Hawaiian islands pro wrestling fast forward a little bit pro wrestling promoter gave him a offer to take part in weekly pro wrestling bouts money was great he was able to get the medicine able to buy the medicine for his wife she was able to recover from her disease Now, meanwhile in Brazil, there was another judo guy named Cato.

Cato weighed about 154 pounds. Aeio Gracie weighed 139. Gracie faced Cato twice. In the first match on September 6, 1951, Cato and Gracie met at the Maracana Stadium in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil for a three-round draw. So the first time we had judo versus judo. Jiu-jitsu it was a draw guys that were roughly equal I mean 15 pounds is no joke honestly but they're more equal than some of these other matches that are going on at

the time then they had a second bout a second bout September 29th 1951 it's only 23 days later going to a quote or a story told by Kimura about the second match, the rules of the bout were different from that of judo or pro wrestling. The winner was decided by submission only. Yeah. No matter how cleanly a throw was executed or how long someone was pinned, it does not count. He issued the challenge to Cato 5th Don first. The gong rang.

Cato was in good condition and threw ALEO a number of times. However, past the 15 minute mark, I started to see, again, this is, this is Kimura watching this. I started to see frustration in Cato's face. The throws had no damage on ALEO since the mat was soft. At the 30-minute mark, it was evident that Cato was tired. What's the matter, Cato? Go Noaza. Don't stand up.

The Japanese in the audience yelled. Cato then threw Aalio down by Osotogari, mounted on Aalio and started a cross-hand choke. The audience roared with excitement. But as I watched carefully, Aalio was also applying a choke from below. They were trying to choke out each other. This lasted about three or four minutes. Cato's face started to turn pale. I shouted, stopped to the referee and jumped into the ring.

When Aalio released his hands, Cato collapsed on the mat face first. By beating Cato, Gracie became instant national hero. Unfortunately, his supporters went overboard in celebrating his victory, as Kimura remembered it. Two days after his bout, I saw Aalio students marching down a city street carrying a coffin. They were shouting dead Japanese judoka Kato is in this coffin. He got killed by Aalio. We asked your support for Judo master Aalio Gracie. Gracie's going hard to paint even back in the day, dude.

Just bringing out a coffin. There's actually a picture of young Aalio Gracie in here. And you know Aalio Gracie in most pictures, he looks kind of frail and weak? Like look at that picture right there. Oh, damn. He looks legit. It's like the only picture I've seen him where you're going. Oh yeah, you could tell this dude's training all the time.

Yeah, take a look at that. Some traps. Yeah, so he's kind of jacked. He's wearing a singlet. He's wearing a wrestling singlet. Doing it. So what happens after this? Cato gets beat.

It's a shame for judo. Kimura now accepts the match. And so now we have a match of Kimura versus Aalio Gracie. One of the most significant matches in the history of, martial arts. Am I wrong? You're not wrong. I don't think. I mean, it's one of the most significant matches in the history of martial arts. And that's what I opened with is how Aeio Gracie remembered it,

what he thought of it. That was what we covered in the opening of this. Let's hear, let's hear how Kimura describes this match. He says 20,000 people came to see the bout, including the president of Brazil. Aalio Gracie was 180 centimeters and 80 kilograms. When I, which I think is, you know, I think Aalio would say he was lighter than that. But because 80 kilograms is 1065 pounds. More than that. Yeah.

And yet, they usually say Aalya was like 145 pounds or something like that. Anyways, when I entered the stadium, I found a coffin. I asked what it was. I was told this is for Kimura. Alio brought this in. It was so funny that I almost burst into laughter. As I approached the ring, raw eggs were thrown at me. The gong ring.

Elio grabbed me in both lapels and attacked me with Asotagari, but they did not move me at all. Now it's my turn. I blew him up in the air with a bunch of different throws. I'm not going to read them all. At about the 10 minute mark, I threw him by Osotogari. I intended to cause a concussion. But since the mat was so soft, it did not have much impact on him. While continuing to throw him, I was thinking of a finishing method.

I threw him by Osotogari again. As soon as Elio fell, I pinned him. I held still for two or three minutes, then tried to smother him with my belly. Elio shook his head trying to breathe. He could not take it any longer and tried to push my body up extending his left arm. That moment, I grabbed his left wrist with my right hand and twisted his arm. I applied the entangled arm lock or the Kimura. I thought he would surrender immediately, but Aalio would not tap the mat.

I had no choice but to keep twisting on his arm. The stadium became quiet. The bone of his arm was coming close to breaking point. Finally, the sound of bone breaking echoed throughout the stadium. Aalio still did not surrender. His left arm was already powered. Under this rule I had no choice but to twist the arm again. There was plenty of time left. I twisted the arm again. Another bone was broken.

Elio still did not tap. When I tried to twist the arm once more a white towel was thrown in I won by TKO My hand was raised Japanese Brazilians rushed into the ring and tossed me up in the air on the other hand Elio left let his arm hang and looked very sad and withstanding the pain. So there's a video of this, by the way. You can go watch this match. Pretty awesome. The headline of the newspaper says moral victory of Helio Gracie.

But the funny thing is the moral victory, the moral part is really tiny. And so it just basically says, victory for Helio Gracie. And look, in their minds, it was a victory because they thought, hey, here's a guy that's a lot lighter, a lot smaller, a lot less athletic,

and he was able to go a long time against this champion. So it was a moral victory for, look at that title. So there was definitely some bias in the media, we'll say back then. With that,

you know, that's like I said, one of the most significant matches in the history of martial arts. Going back to the book here a little bit and fast forward, Camero decided to join the growing and increasingly popular word of Japanese professional wrestling in November 1951. And then there's this whole story about this up-and-coming pro wrestling star who had fought under the stage name of Riki Dozon. He established his own wrestling federation called the Japan Pro Wrestling.

Alliance, Rika Dozon is often called the father of Japanese pro wrestling and has even said without him, there likely would be no such thing as pro wrestling in Japan. Riki Dozon had trained in karate and in sumo and reached the third highest rank. Before long, Rikidozon and Kimura decided to pair up in an effort to put together a winning playbill and hike their income. Now he goes into this thing about these guys named the Sharp brothers, Ben and Iron Mike, both 6'5 and over 250 pounds. So I'm sure these are Americans that rolled over there and they were going to do a they did a series of tag team matches against Rika Dazon and Kimura against these two guys the Sharp brothers and this is this is

pro wrestling these are kind of worked matches we're getting into where we know what's going to happen right and this they're trying to let's literally like pro wrestling today but again this Japanese pro wrestling there's some things that are real that happen there's things that aren't we again we got to get Josh Barnett down here with his knowledge exceptional knowledge of all this stuff to talk us through it so then this happens their growing popularity led the media and the public to push for a bout between Kimura and Ricky Dozon build as the duel of the century the match was to last 60 minutes Kimura remembers what happens what happened next I met with Ricka

He said that is a good idea. We will be able to build a fortune. Let's do it The first bout was going to be a draw. The winner of the second bout would be determined by paper, scissors, stone. After the second match, we will repeat this process. We came to an agreement on this condition. So this is all just fake. It's fake pro wrestling. As for the content of the match, Rickey does on will let me throw him and I will let him strike me with the chop and we rehearsed the karate chops and the throws so this is just a big you know big pro wrestling show however once the bout started riki dozon became taken by greed for big money and fame he lost his mind and became a madman when i saw him raise his hand i opened my arms to invite the chop he delivered the chop not to my chest but to my neck with full force i fell to the mat then he kicked me neck arteries are so

vulnerable that it did not need to be Ricky Dauzan to cause a knockdown a A junior high school kid could inflict a knockdown this way I could not forgive his treachery That night I received a phone call informing me that several tens of Yakuza are on their way to Tokyo to kill Ricky Dazahn Yeah, it's a mayhem and he goes on it goes on eventually Ricka does on he didn't get killed that night but he died of he died later from other issues stabbed with a short story I mean it's that was like 10 10 years later or something like that

But uh Kind of terrible You've seen some of those matches gone wrong Oh no wait The Japan pro wrestling No I didn't I'm not I wasn't You seen occasionally someone get caught in a Kimura

Actually yeah yeah you see remnants of that stuff Like like people get pissed Well I always thought it was part of the show Sometimes there's one famous one where I think Kurt Angle gets caught in the Kimura by like a young upcoming wrestler of that new Jiu-Jitsu and like puts it on him for real Yeah, it's kind of messed up. Yeah, I went in I don't know the deal But I wonder how choreographed or how Like intro do they is every detail kind of sorted out beforehand or is it just sort of like hey here's the gig You go you get ahead and you come back then you get ahead and then you come back and win or or

or like, well, I don't know what the deal is. I think they actually know what's up. Yeah, it's like almost like you have to go to practice with them. I mean, I bet, let's say you and I, we're going to do an exhibition match. Yeah. Probably be the same thing that we do. I'd be like, hey, man, you know, I'll come out and like, kind of, let me get a good throw on you. And then I'll get you in a good position.

You can escape. Yeah. And you can start putting the heat on me and whatever. We just figured on. We could, we could act that out pretty easily. Yeah. Just with our knowledge. There's a difference between that, us getting together beforehand.

like the day of and like weeks of like kind of practicing it together you know I wonder how in depth it goes because some of them I was well actually coincidentally like within the past week or so I saw it was um it was the female one and I was like brother they didn't really practice this because there was a lot of dead time and kind of confusion you know was it like a professional like on TV yeah the one with the lights and the video they have like they have local pro wrestling you know oh for you can go check that out I think I might there's some there's some wildness I went to it One of those things. It was freaking awesome. Guys were going crazy. Like, you're looking at them impressed. Like, this is dangerous. Like, whatever they're doing, I seen a guy jump off of a building. I saw a guy jump off of a building in Ocean Beach, California in a wrestling match.

Jump off of the building and land in a ring on somebody. Oh, damn. Like, yeah. If I did that or if you did that, we would be hurt 100%. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I don't know what kind of drugs these dudes are on or what they're taking, you know, whether they're on. Whatever, but hey man, there you go.

Definitely some pain reliever scenarios going on. I do know that there's technique though to the safety of the moves. Oh, for sure. So like the, there actually used to be this reality show on like wrestling school or whatever. So I think that's my initial knowledge from like the little techniques. But you know how you know the one, I don't know the names of the moves. Well, when the guy's laying on his back and you do like a drop with the back of your leg, you jump up and you land on with the back of your leg, jump up and you land on the back of your leg on.

his face yeah you like you know you'd like your heels gonna hit first yeah yeah like your knees kind of bent or whatever there's like all these techniques and even funny that jiu jitsu is the complete opposite of that you're just trying to hurt the other person yeah everything's you know what I mean yeah take away that space yeah make it more effective but yeah I do wonder how that is I think um oh freaking Sakaraba was in that for a bit yes the pro wrestling definitely was definitely was and See, that's the thing in Japan and in MMA and pro wrestling and shoot wrestling and Pank.

There was all kinds of crossover. There were work fights. There were not work fights. There's a, there's a lot of stuff going on there. A lot of stuff that it's hard to follow. That's funny how like the guy deviated from the script and then the Yakuzo was immediately on his trail. That is not funny, but that's interesting right there.

Yeah. And then you wonder, did they have bets on it? I mean, were they betting on this even though everyone knew it was fake? Like, what's going on? Or he's not allowed to do that kind of violence? I know right ruining the show for us maybe that I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff that's kind of dependent you know writing on on that show it's weird you can always hear like when Rogan's talking to somebody that they're into pro wrestling He doesn't get like I'm that way too like I can't I can't I can't buy into it you know I can't be like oh that's cool

Like Rick Rubin the other day Rick Rubin's a huge fan of pro wrestling He's like talking about how it's more like life than you see like I know Yeah, I mean, I'm sure at some point we'll talk through it, but him and Tony Hinchcliffe, he's totally into it. And I've heard, you know, him and it seems like Joe has a hard time with, like, figuring out why it's cool. And I'm, I agree with Joe. Like, it's hard. When you can watch two humans fight in a cage for real, why would you possibly want to watch two people act it out? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure there's something we're missing. as far as the pro wrestling in life parallel, but you never know, right? I mean, how much pro wrestling do you watch? Yeah, I don't watch enough, man. You know, I don't watch enough. It's hard for me to watch it

because it takes a long time too. Yeah. You know what I will give up? I will concede. You know, when you see a clip, you know, a clip of some pro wrestling. Yeah. That might be pretty cool.

Hell yeah. You know, like back in the day when all of a sudden the gong would go because the Undertaker's like showing up. Sure. Sure. Or like Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yeah.

Like whatever intrigue, wild entry he has. Yeah. You know. So you're right about that. There's some dramatic elements that we give credit to. They are really fun. So can, and when you consider that part of it and I'm remembering back to my childhood days where I didn't really watch the whole thing.

But, you know, like they'd have the commercials for it. I'd be like, bro, that event, whatever they're doing in there. I don't care about they're doing. Whatever they're doing that, that looks fun. So and then you get all these crazy characters. Like when the rock was in his heyday and when do you smell. what the rock is good because we were waiting for that we're waiting for him to say that and then you know like and you know what he's about to do because he has the whole ritual you know the people's

eyebrow and all this stuff so um so when they came out with like the real characters like and the earliest i remember is the there was like two twin brothers and they had a movie or whatever but it was like that era it's like 80s and then um who was it the freaking ultimate warrior yeah whole kogan like all those guys when they were like these these these characters are really my opinion. Hulkomania running wild. Yeah, I know. So that event just started getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

Yeah, and then these stunts are all crazy or whatever. So yeah, you individualize like a certain sequence or a certain like action or whatever. Oh, yeah, I see it. I see it. But at the end of the day, I think what you're talking about or what we're talking about is when you watch two guys like in UFC, we'll say, and they're really fighting. You don't know who's going to win. You don't know how.

This is going to be hard. There's going to be a tough fight. It's real fight. If he gets elbowed or knee in the face, bro, it's like there's some real consequences and then you're like okay this one's obviously like choreographed like obviously that part of it is hard I guess what we're missing is you know to give credit to Rick Rubin and Tony Hinchcliff is like if they're tracking that whole story it's like have you ever watched Breaking Bad some or some series on TV where there's a bunch of characters and there's stuff

happening and so you go oh this is a cool story and we're going to follow it yeah yeah I've never participated enough in that thing to really like understand all the stuff that's going on so that is probably why those guys are into it and super hype about it yeah and I doubt that Joe has ever participated in enough or paid enough attention to be like wait a second who's gonna win tonight yeah yeah because it's really easy just to be like who's gonna win tonight it's no winning yeah yeah so I'm not gonna watch it even if there was not real yeah exactly but that but that's a good point though and because yeah like I gotta make an

investment in it yes like and I'm not really really I'm really honestly not willing to invest in something when I could I would much rather watch two people fight for real so do you mentioned breaking bad so did you watch breaking bad is that one where you kind of know oh remember when that happened do you know kind of the storyline give or take breaking bad yeah yeah it's it's a story it's one big story right so are you familiar with that particular story though fairly yeah I mean I am now that I watched it yes I can't recall it all right off the top of my head yeah so perfect so if you if you get into a show like that and you know you got Netflix is really good at that right now like the format is like oh you

You can't wait for the next one kind of thing, see what happens, all the stuff, all these turns. So it's essentially that, but in the wrestling combat sports format. And honestly, I don't even know if there is a sustaining plot through the professional wrestling. I don't even know. There might be. I don't either. I don't know. And actually, you're right.

So here's my statement. If there is, I can see it now. Yeah, yeah. Before, it's like all this other stuff. Sure, we know, just like we know breaking bad is not real. You know, if you're there to really see a real meth lab be operated, then, you're, you're not going to like Breaking Bad because you can be like this is just not real, you know. But if you like the story, it grabbed you or whatever, I think, pro wrestling.

And I can see how they could do a good job too with these characters. I totally see it. Yeah. Now, John Sina. So, you know the idea of when, not the idea, but they take John Sia. There's a clip. I don't know if it's just one clip or they always say it or what. And he says, and his name is John Sina.

You ever heard that? Nope. What? Okay. This is. I know a little bit about maybe the 80s wrestlers and then maybe some of the 90s wrestlers, like we're talking Hulk Hogan,

Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, Stone Cold Steve Austin, maybe even a little bit further back like Andre the Giant and the Iron Sheik. But again, at never in any moment of my life, were they anything more than like highlight reel? Yeah, yeah. At the same boat for sure.

But these clips are so like used. for a bunch of other stuff now. So it's like, his name is John Cena. Oh, yeah. I just thought of him because he has DDP yoga. He's out there getting after it.

Oh, yeah. Seems to help people out. Good for DDP. Oh, yeah. But it's so like hype, you know, where it's like, and his name is John Cena. I'm sure they say it at a very specific time.

I actually don't think I recall them actually using that clip in real life. I've never heard it or seen it be done. But now they'll do it on videos where like, you know, like if, you ever seen that? video Hensel always posted or he's always posted where it's like two guys are fighting right and then somebody comes like out of no and comes with like a huge jump kick and

it's you whatever so this is for example how they would use that clip it's just the audio clip his name is John Cena then it plays this music so it'll have like a unrelated video right of two people really fighting in real life like a street fight or something like a crowd bar fight or something and then someone come flying out of nowhere and then they'd say they'd play the clip audio and his name is John Cena right when they land the kick and it goes and it's this big thing so that hype that they have isolated and individualized

when I understand and feel that hype when they play it on all kinds of different clips by the way that feeling that I get if even a fraction of that is involved in pro wrestling I get it yeah there you go all right Tony Hinchcliff and Rick Rubin carry on and yeah

guys we're down we're our minds are open to your things things here. Fast forward a little bit in March 195, Camero went to Mexico to do pro wrestling matches in November. He traveled to French to teach Jodo during judo during the daytime and do pro wrestling matches at night. He did the same for London, spending a year in Paris in London. From there, Camer traveled to Spain for four months to teach judo and pro wrestling. We can kind of see where his life is heading to. Back to Brazil in 1959, returned to Brazil. What was to be his last pro wrestling and judo tour? He was challenged by...

Waldemar Santana, 27-year-old champion of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Capuetta, and boxing, Kimura, claimed that Santana had a fourth Don in judo, though this may have been his rank in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. At 6-foot, 205 pounds, he was taller, heavier, and much younger than Kimura, now 42. The year before, Santana had knocked out Aalio Gracie in a fight lasting three hours and 45 minutes. That's no, no time limit activity right there. So these two guys fight

Camira through Santana Applied his Camira lock Then they did a rematch This rematch was Valley Tudo Kimura hurt his left knee The promoter insisted that they fight anyway He says if you refuse to fight today

The angry audience will set fire to the arena If this arena got burnt to ash I would make you accountable for the damage So he gets pressured into this fight with little choice Kimura went ahead with the fight I'm gonna give us a pretty good detail around the fight he says I traded kicks with him the entire audience was standing with excitement even in this situation I was able to think clearly I was thinking he's one level higher than I both in kicks and open hand strikes in order to when I must take the fight to the ground fast forward a little bit all of a sudden I received a head cracking impact I experienced a tremendous ear ringing got momentarily unconscious I had received a head butt on my left temple it was a head butt from the side I had thought that all the head butts would come from the front I never move a side headbutt then he says I cannot lose here I must win even if I may die I thought driven by this willpower I tried to find a way to

fight back the referee came between us to separate us we were already covered in blood the fight was brought back to the center of the ring again he threw an open right hand strike I caught the arm and attempted a throw it seemed like it would score I would score a clean throw however it was a miscalculation we were both heavily covered with sweat as if a large amount of water had been poured onto our heads. Moreover, he had no jacket on. There was no way such a technique could have worked under these conditions. His arms slipped through and my body rotated in air once forward and I landed on my back.

So this is classic, right? He tries a judo throw, but they're all sweaty. I mean, it's kind of crazy. When we're doing jiu-jitsu, it's like, oh, yeah, this sweat here. Oh, yeah, you can't do that when it's sweaty. We literally say that now. Even about, you know, heel hooks. Like someone's super sweaty with the heel hook, it's hard to get a heel hook, harder.

Arm lock. Someone gets super sweaty, it's harder to get it. Throws, judo throws real hard. I screwed up, I shouted in my mind, but it was too late. He immediately jumped at me. If he got on my chest, he could freely strike my eyes, nose chest with his elbows. I caught him in a body scissors. I squeezed his body with full force hoping to sever his intestine.

He crumbled momentarily but did not surrender. Since the body scissors did not finish him, I realized that I was in a disadvantageous position. When I lifted my head, I saw, when I lifted my head, hundreds of stars flew out of my eyes. I took a straight punch in the nose and my eyes. It was an accurate, intense punch. The back of my head got slammed onto the mat. Moreover, an intense headbutt attacked my abdomen. I felt like my organs would be torn into pieces.

Once, twice, I hardened my abdominal muscles to withstand the impact and waited for a third. third attack at the moment the third headbutt came my right fist accurately caught his face by counter it landed between his nose and eyes blood spattered I had also been heavily covered in blood the blood interfered with my vision kill him kill him the devil in my mind screamed he wobbled and stepped back and tried to run with the ropes on his back I chased him throwing kicks and open hand strikes he returned head butts and elbow strikes but neither of us was able to deliver a decisive strike maybe we were both exhausted or maybe the blood and her eyes prevented us from aiming clearly at the target after all the 40 minutes ran out and the match ended in a draw

I don't know I didn't look for that one on YouTube to see if it's on there getting into the final years Kimura returned to Japan retired from competition 1960 took up a position of judo instructor at his alma mater university he was highly successful coach she trained a bunch of champions his final years however were marred by the petty vindictiveness of the coda con authorities who froze his rank at seventh dawn because he had refused to return the championship flag he believed he had earned in 1939 and because he had promoted a number of people in brazil to black belt ranks in judo without authorization from the coda con his professional wrestling experience also upset powerful figures who controlled judo rank and who

thought he had to mean the art by engaging in this form of entertainment. He remained a seventh dawn from the age of 30 until his death at 75. I'll close this out here. He says, Kimura never lost his spirit. However, he continued to teach and train even while many of those he had defeated were promoted to 8th, 9th, and even 10th dawn. In the early 1990s, Kimura, a lifelong smoker was diagnosed with lung cancer,

hospitalized after surgery and in his 70s Kimura started doing push-ups in his room. He died on April 18th, 1993 at the age of 75, arguably the best judo competitor ever and one of the most important judo figures ever to be mistreated by the leaders of his art.

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It's there. It's there. It's literally artificial intelligence that's meant. to make you watch it more. That's its whole purpose. People are like, oh, AI is not going to be evil. Some people are like, oh, AI is evil. I'm going to tell you, that AI is evil.

It's a little dopamine dealer. And it's in there going, spreading it around, got you. Isn't it embarrassing that it gets you? Yeah. Kind of embarrassing. It feels embarrassing, yeah. What do you mean?

It feels what it's not? I put it this way. I don't discount what I'm up against. So, in hindsight. sight you seem saying because the thing is made specifically just like how you said you made specifically it for you for you like in a way it probably is not doesn't think it's evil it probably thinks it's good it's probably like hey you know what it's doing its job yeah yeah doing his job it cares about you it cares the internet knows what you like because you told it what it like

smothering mother that thinks she's doing a good thing by like smothering the kid with you know all this love and joy and toys and cookies and crackers and that kid ends up weak it's true that's a perfect analogy like oh I saw his his his beautiful smile after I gave him that cupcake so what am I do another one give him another one maybe another flavor dopamine dopamine dopamine all right so watch out for that algorithm watch out for that dopamine dealer that's locked inside your phone waiting to get out he doesn't even he's working 24 hours a day by the way he's a freaking robot he doesn't get he's not getting paid he's just in there just just an inanimate thing is taking your time stealing

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Yeah. That's how he trained three times harder than his opponents. That's how he was lifting. That's how he was training. That's how he was conditioning. That's what he did. That's how he became champion by getting up every day and getting after it. and I actually recommend that you do the same and until next time this is Echo and Jocko out