Jocko Podcast - 423: Your Personality May Keep You From Surviving. "Psychological Aspects of Survival"

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

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This is Janko podcast number 423 with Echo Charles and me Janko Wilink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. I was at an event, and people give me a lot of stuff at events, or they mail it to me. This particular one was given to me by somebody at an event. It's an old Air Force manual from 1954. It's called Psychological Aspects of Survival. And people give me a lot of books, like I said.

And I like to look through them, see what I can learn, see what I can learn, to what I can share. This manual, there's a couple very positive things about this manual. Number one, it was published, like I said, in 1954. So keep that in mind a little bit

when it comes to being politically correct. I understand. Some aspects of it, maybe not quite dialed into today's standards. It also doesn't pull any punches. It's written in a real direct way. Since it's written, so it's published in 1954, so it's probably written like 1952, 1953,

and it's based on interviews with soldiers, airmen, sailors, Marines that were evaders, in other words, running from the enemy, prisoners of war that were captured by the enemy, and also escapees. So people had escaped. And it's obviously from World War II in Korea when both of those had just kind of ended. And it quotes them. It's interesting. It quotes them like anonymously through the whole book.

It's just filled with all these quotes from people that were interviewed. A lot of value in each one of the different chapters. But I just want to focus tonight on one section in particular. It's called personality requirements for survival. And this is what's interesting. I think you'll see that these personality requirements that are requirements for survival, I think you're going to see that they're kind of requirements. for success in any realm of life not just evading and escaping and surviving in a

prisoner of war scenario so here we go this thing kicks off this is this is the thing that I read was like I kind of got to share this with some people so it says personality requirements of survival your survival may depend more upon your personality than upon danger the enemy the weather the terrain the nature of the in-flight emergency. So did you hear what I just said? Yes, sir. Doesn't matter like, oh, yeah, the weather might be bad, the enemy might be bad, what the terrain

might be bad, all those things. Survival depends more on your personality. Whether you will panic from fear or use it as a spur to greater sharpness, whether you will be overcome by fatigue, echo Charles, or be able to take the necessary action to survive. Whether you will be able to evade an escape or will be captured by the enemy, even whether or not you will have frostbitten feet. All are more dependent upon you than upon the situation. So this is just coming out of the gate with the extreme ownership of extreme ownership, right? Listen, frostbite?

Sure, it might be cold. The cold doesn't matter as much as you matter. You ever heard someone say, my feet got frostbitten? No never heard even say that well I suppose you're not allowed in Hawaii there's not a lot of people whose feet are getting frostbitten So when someone says oh my feet got frostbitten or my hand got cut never had anything to do with them Oh right right it's like their feet Detached from them their feet were over there getting frostbitten Yeah I mean I that makes sense. I don't know it's in a way it does okay but in a way if you if you just

Explore that a little bit. It's like well I my feet are attached to me and what was I doing so it goes into it here a little bit This fact has been demonstrated in several important scientific studies for example an army medical research team found that men who were treated for Frostfice in Korean combat tended to be Passive negativeistic hypercondrical Individuals Right that's kind of rough yeah, that's a rough one. That's why I said this thing might might not be the most politically correct because it's just calling fool's out. It seems like, oh, you got frostbitt, passive, negativistic, and hypercundrical.

What is that? Some victim blaming right there? What? I see where you're going. I see where your mind's at. That's what it feels like. Look, frost bit. It's not like you can just resist the frost.

Hold on. Unless you can. I don't know. Okay. Well, let's think about it here. This is, this actually just replies specifically to you. It says this is not hard to understand. The passive individual lacks aggressiveness, takes things as they are without trying to do anything

about them and is lacking in drive and ambition. Now you see where I'm going with us, don't you? See, this is, you're right. This is victim blaming. The victim is freaking to blame here. Such a man will engage in less muscular activity, won't pay much attention to carrying extra footwear and won't do much to prevent cold injury. The negativistic individual will either ignore or do just the opposite of what others suggest.

If his personal equipment officer suggests that he wear woolen socks and carry a few extra pair, he's likely to wear silk socks and take no extra socks on his missions. If his aircraft commander suggests that he massage his feet or jump up and down to keep the blood flowing, he will probably ignore him. The hyperchondriac personality enjoys sympathy from others, injury. has always gotten sympathy for him before. He wants sympathy from others so badly that he consciously or unconsciously permits himself to become frostbitten. Boom. Echo Charles. You're correct. Yeah, what I see why you like that. I mean, you can see why this book was yeah,

went straight to the top of the queue. I can see why you were all over this book. But it actually now that you just said that and even the look you gave, I'm like, okay, I know that there's a big picture you know, answer to this. And yeah, that's what, that's really what it is. There's a bigger picture going on, right? It's not like his cells were a passive hypochondriac cells or skin. You know, his skin was being a hypochondriac

and, oh, this is, you know, and then allowed themselves to get frostbitt when they easily could have prevented it. It's not that. It's not that there's a bigger picture going on. And listen, the thing that always, are there things that are truly beyond your control? Yes, there are. I guarantee that the most aggressive, positive,

minded, happy, conscientious person has gotten frostbitten before. I mean, it happens. But to say that when you look at, let's say, a hundred people in the Korean War, that got frostbitten,

and you start interviewing them, and you start, look, some of them, like I said, some of them were probably great dudes, but some of them, or there's probably a majority, you start seeing a pattern, you start seeing 70%

that were like, they've been a sick call a lot. Yeah. They, you see what I'm saying? Fully, man. And you get around people like this.

This is what you got to watch out for is you can be around people like this. Yeah, fully. Yeah. And so, yeah, like how you sort out the numbers. So really, it's a generalization,

right, where it's like, okay, let's go into the numbers now. And, you know, so you get 100 people and you see, I don't know,

whatever the numbers are. Let's say 30 or let's say half of them got frostbitt and half didn't. You'd be like, wait a second. what's up with this 50% who straight up didn't? What's up with them? Not only what's up with like, hey, okay, you guys got frostbill. We're in the snow.

I understand. Like, Godfrey's cold and, you know, whatever. We all have equipment and all this stuff. So why did you get frostbite? And then, but what's up with the guys who didn't? Yeah. So it's like, okay, let's make this really like in-depth comparison. Let's go.

Let's go deep. Yeah, that's the big thing. When you start running the numbers. Yeah. Because look, there's some people that, let's say, let's say this dude sweats a lot. And so when he gets in, he's going on his rock, into position on an ambush his feet are like sweaty yeah he and now they don't have time to change because they're trying to lay up and he that guy might get frostbent he

might be the toughest bastard in the world but he gets frostbid where some other guy that doesn't sweat a lot genetically his feet didn't get wet on the way in so you see what I'm saying so there's gonna be the but when you start taking a hundred a hundred guys or even better yet a thousand guys and you start looking at beyond the outliers you start seeing a little pattern here yeah like little commonalities and a little commonality you know it's the same thing with seal training. There's a there's a small number of people like they had bad luck and they broke their leg or whatever.

But if you start reviewing all those personalities at some point, they go, this isn't worth it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Jason Gardner, right, was the one who said, said it where we're kind of hashing out like, oh, what makes a guy like make it through and maybe quit and, you know, like what's the difference? What makes it? And then I think, if I'm remembering correctly, where it's like, hey, if you're a stud, if you've been a stud athletically your whole life and then you all of a sudden just start losing, like sharp drop off, just start losing stuff.

Bro, that can take a bigger toll on you than if you've been kind of losing here and there all your light. And then Jason Gardner was like, yeah, I've been losing since day one or whatever you say. There's no factor. There's no factor. I was like, but it kind of starts to answer the question in that same way where it's like, hey, this guy's literally is physically more capable. Even like endurance wise it's physically more capable than all these guys and why is he like literally like quitting Even his failed runtime or whatever is way better than a lot of these other guys fails run time They didn't quit like what's up with this guy then you kind of go deeper and you're like oh that's why and just so you know that's not a guarantee like

Right right you guys that are double studs that crushed it and they're like oh well no problem and they push on but yeah But occasion you get a guy that's a super stud Dude I mean I had a guy that was freaking Olympic Gymnastics alternate. How much more of a stud can you get? He freaking quit. I had D1 wrestlers like, it happens. Yeah.

But, yeah, those cases are cases of people that have been winning and all of a sudden they get forced to lose and they freak out. This is more like habitual. This line right here of the passive individual lax aggressiveness takes things as they are without trying to do anything about them. That's a whole personality trait accepting things the way they are in the world. You can't. You can't do that.

Now listen, if you get some situation where you have to accept the reality of the situation, and they're going to talk about that as well. But accepting things as they are without trying to do anything about them, that's a personality trait that'll get you frostbitten and worse. All right, going on here. This discussion has two purposes. The first is to list and describe the qualities in a man which help or hurt his chances of survival. The second purpose is to help you size up yourself.

If you know what you can expect from yourself under tough conditions, you can do a better job of handling yourself. You can be on the alert for trouble and you can come to rely on your strengths. Survival depends a great deal on your knowing and facing the situation. This is such a good line. But you are part of the situation. Take a tea party, for instance. Your mother or sister would have a fine time. You would be miserable.

The party is the same. What makes the difference? You. You can make the situation better or worse by the way you manage yourself. Therefore, know yourself. Dude, I've been in so many situations in my life where I got to see other people being miserable. and me being like, oh, that's got to suck. Hey, you're in a bad situation.

A classic example is just, I mean, look, we can talk about the cold. You can talk about hell weak. You can talk about all those things. But just being on a ship in 110 degree heat. And I mean, this isn't during an operation. This is just like normal living on a ship. Dude, it sucks. But you can either be miserable about that or you can just like rock and roll.

That's what we're doing. Okay. Now he starts getting into these qualities in a man important to survival one He can make up his mind Making up your mind doesn't mean jumping without looking But it does mean that you make it up decide on a plan then act on it This is where if you can take this from 1954 and then add in a little leadership strategy and tactics get to the iterative decision making process Where you make small decisions very rapidly and then make a justice

That is such a great tool for people for humans if you look it's hard to tell someone Hey, you need to make a decision right now either go left or go right and you don't know You're looking at which way should I go left? Should I go right is that where's the terrain to me like all those things but if you say Hey listen you got at least start walking one direction there you got to do it now to figure out to learn more. Okay. Well go start walking left. I guess I can't really see much further but once I start walking left. I'll be able to see more and maybe I can figure out that That's pretty good or it's really bad in which case I can go back the other way So make being able to make up your mind to utilizing the iterative decision-making process from leadership strategy and tactics field manual

Such a powerful tool for human beings especially if you're a person that's a little bit indecisive Because people get Pete there are people that are I don't want to say naturally indecisive because it may have been the way that they're raised But between nature and nurture their personality has developed into an indecisive person personality so they read that and say I can't make up my mind learn to use the iterative decision making process will you make a small decision the smallest decision you can possibly make in the situation and then start moving and then assess and see what if it's a good decision or not and then make adjustments as

needed no factor but being able to make up your mind the number one quality that they list here and like I said then they got all these these anonymous quotes in here from probably a bunch of damn war heroes quote the trouble was that I had no real plan it was a hit or miss approach I took a sudden direction and hoped I got out I was inadequate to survive and had no preparation whatsoever no plan whatsoever my advice for anyone to survive is to make a long-range plan another guy this man couldn't make up his mind I had a good chance to look at the entire I had a good chance to look the entire area over and I became quite confused as to where I wanted to land this is you can imagine

this guy in a parachute I changed my mind several times and only succeeded in making my dissent all the faster by attempting to change direction several times and Then they've got this this man made up his mind and acted I decided it was time for drastic action as I didn't want that chopper to leave without me so I gave up trying to remain under cover and made my way to a nearby clearing I gathered some twigs and dry grass and made a small fire when it was burning good I put some wet grass on it to make it smoke So there you go. Being decisive, making a decision, you got to do that. Another quality, he can improvise. Ingenuity, or the kind of resourcefulness which enables one to improvise and do the best he can with whatever's available occurs quite often in survival stories.

This man didn't have a smoke flare, but he figured out something just as good with what he had. I spread out my parachute, burned a hole in the middle, and used it to send up a smoke signal. This man also had to use what was available to improvise a signal. I discovered a large stack of old rice and straw on the side of a large green field. The construction of an air signal came to my mind. That night, when I went to relieve myself, I made my way to the area and devised a signal out of the straw. It read 6pW in letters about 14 feet high. The success of this attempt raised all of our hopes.

We figured at least it might protect us from a fighter. attack. So these are people that's taking action. The other thing about taking action is it it reduces your fear. It reduces your fear. There's nothing that makes fear worse than hesitation and waiting and pondering the what you're about to go through. You can't do that. Like you're sitting there looking at the squat rack. Yeah. Yes, sir. And you know you got to do 20 reps. All the time you wait just gets worse. It doesn't get better. Another quality. He can live with himself. We all know people who, like children, can't stand being alone, have to be entertained, always

want something new. Other people can take care of themselves, make a good thing out of a bad one, keep their own and others' spirits up. One of the guys says, speaking of taking action, not knowing what to do, I decided to kill all the bugs. There were a lot of spiders, the big ones that do not hurt a human. So I killed the flies and gave them to the spiders to eat. I never killed the spiders and kept busy just keeping busy Here's another valuable quality. He can rock with the punch

We all know people who can't change themselves no matter how much their stubbornness costs Others can change themselves to fit the situation Here are some men who showed flexibility So in survival and in life What have we hit so far? You got to be able to live by yourself, live with yourself. You definitely have to be able to improvise. You got to be able to make up your mind.

And then you got to be able to have flexibility. You can't be. And it's weird how it points out here. People's stubbornness, they'll stay with the same plan no matter what it costs them. People make that mistake all the time. They'd rather lose than change their mind. One guy says I noticed that my left ankle was set at an unnatural angle and I realized that it was broken I decided I would have to attempt a landing on my knees well little thing

Another quality he can keep cool calm and collected This doesn't even they don't even have an exclamation here It just says he can keep cool calm and collected the old joke I was calm but he was collected applies here Anybody can panic but some people go to pieces more easily than others. If these men had remembered the signs of panic, they might have remained calm. And he's got some quotes here. A co-pilot, seeing his pilot killed, put his arms over his eyes and paid no attention to the controls.

What a freaking nightmare that is. You see your pilot get killed? So you just cover your face up? That's disturbing. a navigator sat staring blankly at his logbook throughout a violent flak barrage and retained no memory of the event you ever seen anyone get that freaked out before

no not that I can remember yeah I've seen people like freeze up we gotta kind of shake them and be like hey hey like hey we need to go that type of thing I've seen that before I did see it but obviously not on that level I'm remembering something what was it when I was a little kid one of my friends were bombing

this hill on our bikes and my kind of bike did you have oh was it a BMX type bike okay it was a freestyle bike you know like they're like all one color yeah like a color color not black or silver it's like a color with the wheels are white yeah um did it have pegs and everything yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah did you have the handlebars that could continuously spin around no okay that's like a little one level up yeah yeah all right but we're in the game freestyle yeah yeah so we'd bomb this hill and one of my friends wasn't very good on a bike he was just like I don't know white belt bike rider I guess so he bombed the hill and I don't know you know I never felt this actually I felt this

on a skateboard but when you go down the hill and you hit a certain speed like it just you just lose faculty like it's get scary I never had this on a bike but I totally have where you just like panic but so he that happened to him but I didn't realize it was happening because we were bombing the hill all day like all day, every, like, we always go to this hill. So he was mom and nail, and we're watching them. And I remember thinking, oh, he's not very strong on a bike. So this will be funny.

At the bottom of the hill was just, it goes into like a field with no grass. So it's just a field with dirt, right? But it's a good place to run it out. Like coming down the hill, you could run it out or no? Yeah, you could run it out. Yes, fully. And you'd get hurt, but not injured. It's like that kind.

It's not like a brick wall or like more cement. You know, it's like dirt. So I guess given the circumstance, it's pretty solid, solid little backdrop there. So he's going and I'm like, oh, wow, he's just, he's not even slowing down. Like that's pretty, because it's like a, it's essentially a long, long, long, long hill with a cul-de-sac at the end. It was pre like constructed, like they're going to build houses there.

So a lot of like dirt and whatever. So this guy's flying down the hill and I'm thinking, oh, he's, how old are you guys? Like seven, eight? Yeah, yeah. Yep. Exactly. And he's going and then, you know, you hit the cul-de-sac. You got to slow down a little bit at a certain time and it comes natural.

if you're used to doing it. So, yeah, I'm not even thinking this. And you hit the, you hit the brakes a little bit, but you can't just slam on the brakes because you're going so fast. So you've got to hit the brakes good. You got to lean one side and you've got to hit the cul-de-sac. You've got to go around the cul-de-sac, like a perfect kind of timing thing. Now they're thinking back on it.

Anyway, this guy's going, he's not hitting the brakes at all. I'm like, bro, this guy's bombing still. I was like, he's not even slowing down, which is crazy because, you know, I've never seen him come down this hill before. Instead of hitting the brakes, I just see him throw his arms up in the air and start doing this. And he just bombs like right into that dirt place and crashes real bad. Yeah, you got hurt.

But that was what it was. He hit that velocity and just completely panicked. He took his, actually, he took his hands off the handlebars, everything, just in the air flailing his hands. Like all crazy. I was like, it looked, it looked really, really funny for sure. Like it was a real funny. How bad did you get hurt?

He hurt, not injured. Yeah, yeah, little kids. you know, in the dirt. But it was more interesting. I'll never forget it, too. It was real interesting how that was the decision. Well, that's what it seemed like. It seemed like he made the decision to just flail his hands up in the air.

But he didn't, did he? No, dude. He lost his mind. He's the same as the navigator staring blankly at his logbook. Or the other co-pilot just covering up his eyes and not looking at the controls. Yeah. Like that's crazy way to behave. Yeah.

It was crazy. Yeah, that's a crazy way to behave. I'm trying to think if I've ever done anything like that where I just was like, just lost my mind. But I can't think of any time. Oh, check. It says this, other men actually think better under rough conditions. The trick here may be that these men keep their minds on the job to be done and off themselves.

It's a real good thing to think about. You got a job to do, do it. Yeah. Don't think about yourself and you're going to die and all that stuff. You don't think about that. Otherwise, you'd be throwing your hands up in the air, just flailing them. A good example here. These two men were in the same spot.

The first man got rattled. I tried to use the canopy released to get rid of the canopy, but it did not work. I then opened my chest strap and pushed the harness off my shoulders so I could get at the May West toggles. My shoot had started sinking and I needed support. The shoot began. to pull me under now even with the vest inflated and I had to kick my feet to remain afloat my left leg became entangled in the shroud line I don't believe I could have stayed afloat more than another minute or so this is a guy coming down into the water under a parachute canopy and freaking out and then it says this man kept calm and could remember his survival training while floating down

I remembered hearing about some people having trouble getting out of the harness in the water So I opened up my leg strap while at about 1,500 feet up. And about 500 feet up, I opened the chest strap. Then as my feet hit the water, I raised my arms and slid out of the harness. So I'm assuming these guys are pilots. Like in the SEAL teams, we get taught to do that. And I guess anyone that's airborne is going to get taught, hey, if you're approaching water, you kind of loosen these straps, you undo this strap.

So that way, when you hit the water, you don't have to be in this big tangled mess a parachute. But imagine you're a pilot. You probably had three briefings, you know, and he just heard one of his buddies or something like, dude, I almost drowned when hit the water. So this guy,

just being calm, cool and collected, was this rolling down like, oh, you know what? I remember some guys had trouble in the water. I'm just going to loosen my leg straps, loosen my chest strap,

get ready to take this thing off and just slides out of the harness when he gets down. Yeah. Totally different attitudes. Yeah, it seems like that'd be hard to do if you don't have that,

like, in your personality kind of a thing because, like, how do you remember that under a, like, situation where you're up like could die kind of a thing or when you're at you know what you want to do is you want to be able to detach that's what you want to be able to do we want to go did I tell you about that whole escalator thing I was with Jamie Cochran yeah yeah it was funny because it was kind of like one of those scenarios woman falls down on the escalator the escalator the escalator the escalator's like bringing her up the thing people are yelling and like what do we uh you know it's like panic and no one knows what to do to stop the escalator or they don't know what to do

That's not even a thought that they're having Because I'm thinking like, oh, how can we stop this thing? I literally had the conversation on that stuff like, you know what? There's got to be a way to stop an escalator because this seems a little bit dangerous I looked around a little bit and said, oh, there's a button over there.

It says emergency stop on it. And I walked over pressed it and then things stopped. Brother, that was, and when you told me that, that was such a good like just real world example. It was and I was with Jamie and we got, you know, we walk up and I was like, hey, you know how I talk about detachment a lot? She goes, yeah, and it's, you know, that's it. You know, because there's 15 people around the bottom,

like we're a bunch of people. There's 15 people waiting to go up the escalator. Yeah. This woman falls. Now there's two, three people on the escalator that are panicking. And that's my instinct because, and it's important to remember that, that's because you said it's natural. Some of it's natural, yes, but that is the way that I have trained myself and have been,

trained is that when something's going down take a step back even like back in the day like there's a fight yeah right a lot of people's instinct you me and and carry we're in a bar and like someone someone's gets in your face and starts talking shit to you some people's instinct is like i'm gonna get right up next to you and i'm gonna get hey who the hell you talk to right that's a lot of people's instinct my instinct is like take a step back wait how many friends do they have where's the exits what are the bouncers like it's not to get into it It's actually to step out of it because I'm going to have a much better advantage when that happens. Yeah.

Yeah. That escalator story, it's like if you have it, if you have it like a tree, like if this whole issue, this whole scenario unfolding is a tree. When you look at a tree, what do you see? You see first the leaves probably, then you kind of look down some stems and branches, the trunk. And you kind of don't really see the roots, even though you kind of know they're there, right? where you, if you see the person going on the escalator, right, an old lady, cool, she falls. Uh-oh, now we have a problem.

What's the attached, not detached, the attached problem is the lady who fell. That's the problem. We got to get her up, right? That's the attached. Like, that's the obvious problem. Go right to her. Go right to her. Run up there and help her, stand her up?

Stand her up. Because think about it. Logically on a certain level, the escalator moving, that's not a problem. I mean, it's a problem now, but that's not the, the, how should I say it, that surface level problem, because that escalator has been working for decades probably. So that's no issue. That's not the issue here.

Today, the issue is the lady who fell down in your brain. But you have to, if you look at the whole problem, it's a combo of things. Just like the escalator has been going up, in this case, for like decades. Ladies have been falling down for decades too. So like, but when you put them together, see what I'm saying? We got a situation.

So yeah, if you can detach and then recognize the hierarchy of, okay, this is going to be the simplest solution that will solve the most problems. Boom, you can see it more. So it's like you're looking at the tree and being like, hey, this tree, like the leaves are brown. Like that's an issue.

Don't paint the leaves green. You'd think, oh yeah, just paint the leaves. They're not brown anymore, right? No, I don't know, water the tree or something. Go for the roots. See what I'm saying? It solves all the problems. Yeah, yeah.

It's like when there's a leak in the house, right? Yeah. And people are grabbing it, trying to stop the leak, putting a rag around the, leak it's like no shut off the water yeah usually there's a water that you can shut off almost immediately but you can even run out to the street and shut the water off yeah but people don't think that way they start grabbing rags and they start holding the pipe and they start trying to get that thing shut down and you do that because you're not

detached if you take a step back and like oh there's water coming I'm not going to stop the water coming out of this pipe with a rag it's not happening but I can easily go to this follow this valve and just shut it off and now we're good yeah but you have to be able to detach to do that and you can't get panicked and to counter what you said about the natural ability. Yes, there is some natural ability, but I know for a fact that you can train people to do it because I have trained hundreds of people,

young seals, young seal leaders to like take a step back. Dude, hey dude, the problem, you're not gonna solve the problem going in there. You need to take a step back. Yeah, and it's a real thing. Oh, yes, sir. So I actually agree with you probably more than you realize because when I, I mean, I was talking about that one pilot,

Right. So, or the parachute guy, sorry. I was talking about the parloric, when you, when you're not like naturally like that as far as your personality. Yeah. So when you're trained like that, it seems like when you compare someone who's untrained and trained, it seems so impressive. But when you're trained, it's kind of like, no, no, no, that's just how. So a big part. So, you know how nature versus nurture and like all this stuff or whatever. So from what I understand, like the nature part of it is like such a massive thing and it's overwhelmingly like powerful, the nature part of it.

Right. But I've always thought like, hmm, or maybe that's just because most people are not trained in everything. So every time they point out how nature is revealing itself in all these different situations, it's like, well, how much training does a normal person have? How much training do we all have? And in how many things? Like even like you, who's probably highly trained in probably more things than I know of any other person, but what? Five things in life? Like five things, you know?

So it's like, all right. Most people are trained in almost zero things, almost. As far as actually trained. So I'm saying if you went by the belt level, how many people are purple belts in more than one thing in life? Actually, even one thing in life. You probably have a lot of people who aren't even purple belts in one thing in life. Well, no, I think a lot of people are purple belts in one thing in life.

It's usually their job. Right. You're an accountant. Like there's people that are black belts in Excel spreadsheets. There's people that are you. You're a black belt in what video editing, program thing, right? Like legit. Like you spent more than 10,000 hours doing that, right? And so everyone have, I would say most people have some skill, whether they're a plumber, an electrician,

a lawyer, like you, you have a skill that you developed. So almost, I would actually counter that and say most people have at least one thing. Okay. Yeah. That they're an expert in. Okay, perfect. Unfortunately, in many cases, it's a random thing. Like, let's face it, what good is video in the natural world video editing has no value whatsoever. Well, you know, in our world today, in our life today has value, but yeah, yeah, you're right. But I mean, literally, unless there's a computer there, every other scenario doesn't matter.

It's very specific for sure. But yes, okay, cool. Let's say everyone has one purple belt skill or whatever. So, but that's still the point, though. Sure, cool, they got one. Even if they got two, even you with 10. Right. You know how many skills they?

there are to have, there's a lot. So if you compare, okay, let's take a random skill. Let's say, okay, let's say weight training, right, for let's say muscle development. If you get a person who's trained, same exact genetics, trained and untrained, it's like night and day. They're completely different people.

Same genetics, trained, untrained, right? So you can take a guy with good genetics, don't untrained, not one single lifting session ever. Then you take a guy's kind of junk genetics, right? Just his personality's not. Like that all stuff and you train him bro. He's gonna look way bigger and stronger than the guy with the genetics Hold on hold on hold on bro Hold on hold on hold on

Are you sure about that? I well you know this is my bro science hypothesis at this time I'm pretty sure here you know listen you take a there's there's people that have Freaking insane genetics for the way they aesthetically look and the with the strength that they have There's people that are so strong and they barely ever train and you're just telling me right now you take a person that has junk genetics and they can a look better and be be stronger than someone that has awesome genetics okay so you're sure about that that i'm gonna give you opportunity to revoke your statement all right so let me refine this statement

then how about that so i'm saying okay you take the extremes the massive massive extremes okay okay i get it and yeah man of course and and that's probably lends to why really like the facts how they shake out is like hey nature is such a big part it's true But in the real in the general way of looking at thing in the masses, you know, we are untrained. That's what, that's my point. So you get a guy who's like, you know, slightly, I don't know, by however a factor of however many, like genetically gifted versus a guy who's not. And you just train the hell out of one guy, just pursuing ultimate result in training, but he's going to outperform that guy, is what I'm saying. So you can have a personality that lends to this untrained versus a guy who doesn't, you know, and then train them.

he'll do better you seem saying there's a lot of it takes a lot even even like you take like jiu jitsu right you know there's some people that are naturally good at jiu jitsu yeah and they you take that person i guess jiu jitsu a bad example because if you don't know anything about jih Tzu you're getting beat and and that's the point right there and now take anything you're gonna be hard pressed to find a skill unless you go way at the extreme okay so yes okay if you want talk about skill yes but genetic like strength or flexibility right there's people that are naturally flexible dude we could Franklin remember I for remember his name dude that dude was naturally flexible to the insane level yeah insane level like he he

he wasn't a guy that grew up doing jiu jit-sue he wasn't a guy that grew up doing gymnastics or yoga or anything like that he was just born as flexible as a human could be and if he would have started doing like he could be any yoga person at freaking downward dog or whatever he would just he was just perfect at it like everything he would do just so flexible so you take a guy like that

or you take let's see who's one of our really super strong natural freaking dudes naturally strong yeah just a naturally strong like black belt guy or just dude in general one of our one of our guys we train with this naturally Sloan see okay

I mean he's trained though but yeah yeah he's trained he's naturally strong he's strong as hell you know he's natural well then again he's trained to is Tim to run Tim Ford like he had a weird oddball natural strength yeah like you couldn't yeah but I don't I don't know yeah I don't know Sloan is the strongest guy that I could remember right now damn check that out yeah so you have that As strong as he is naturally and you take someone that's like we're not going to call names here, but there's people that are naturally weak Right and you could probably train that person honestly forever and they won't be able to deadlift as much as like Sloan Yeah and I don't even know Sloan deadlifts well I'm sure he does right but Sloan trains any

He probably like even if he doesn't deadlift he still can deadlift yeah so more than a someone that's weak So I agree with so it's a bad thing to talk it's a bad thing to talk it's a bad thing to talk it's a bad thing to talk about strength and flexibility those are there's a huge genetic component to those things yeah now listen can a person that's not very flexible get more flexible absolutely can a person that's not very strong get very strong yes absolutely but it doesn't compare with things that are skills pure skills jiu jit too is a pretty fairly pure skill uh playing guitar is a pretty fairly pure skill shooting basketball is a pretty it's a skill that you can learn a lot of and again some people will have know some people play guitar they have a natural ability to hear tones they can move their

fingers maybe a little bit more that uh they have a little more dexterity in their fingers so so they're they have like a 10% chance uh head start yeah and i i'm like some people that get a negative 10% head start fully and yeah and even more than that thing is what we're totally agreeing the only the caveat that i'm making when you go to the extreme so genetically like physically like genetically or whatever it's easy to go to the extremes because you take like franklin for example franklin's Probably, I don't know, I don't know everyone in the world or who's ever lived. But I would estimate of all the people I've ever seen, including on video, by the way, he's probably top 1% of flexible people. And by the way, he doesn't even care about it.

It's not like he, if he wanted to, he could be making videos himself of like, here I am. Just how flexible. Yeah, yeah. I'm pulling my leg over behind my left ear and now itching my, you know, neck or whatever. Exactly right. So as far as what I'm saying, if I'm trying to do some tricky hypothesis or, right now, I'm excluding him. And then I'm excluding the guy who can't even scratch his, but I'm excluding them.

I'm talking about people. And then on top of it, I'm saying someone who is trained, trained, like that's what they do, they're trained, purple belt or higher level versus someone literally zero hours training, literally zero. And I'm comparing them too. So you can sure, one guy can have a head start or whatever, but the guy trained is going to usually generally speaking, the more extreme you go, the more of a discrepancy for sure.

But what I'm saying is that the ultimate. point is that when you when you take nature versus nurture sure I get it but I think it's slightly important to take take into account that people we we are untrained in most things so now we're left with mostly nature that's why they discount nurture as much it could be and a good thing to remember about what you're saying that's very positive is we are mostly untrained you're right so most people are gonna have whatever reaction nature gave them to stressful situations which very well could be throw up your hands cover your eyes freaking flail around to do

nothing you can train out of that yes I have trained many many many many people out of that behavior yeah I've had people come back we've gotten so many like after actions reports of people being in extremely stressful situations and they're able to relax look around make a call they're able to detach like this is a thing that is real and look probably this written this man was written in 1952 I doubt they had any inkling to train people to detach they naturally train people because you're gonna get put your if you're a pilot there you're getting in stressful situation just as a pilot trying to land this thing and try to take off and try to do this stuff whatever the

instruments and they're probably blindfolding you sometimes like go go through the protocol again so you're you're getting some level of it and you're learning it but it's hard when you don't really identify what you're doing that you're like oh what I need to take a breath, take a step back, let me relax. Like that, you can train. And if you train it, you'll get better at it. And it will help you. Okay.

Continuing on, it says, The man who stays calm helps his whole crew stay calm. A quote, Joe was the only one of us that was really calm, I think. He spoke slowly, carefully, repeating the latitude and longitude. I forced myself to concentrate on those all-important numbers. I repeated them back to him. That's right Tom, he said and there was no excitement in his voice whatsoever. I think it was his calmness that gave me the courage to go back into the radio room. Maybe not, but it damn well helped. Calm is contagious. Panic and freaking out will spread to the rest of your team. A lot of men report that when they recognize the signs of panic, they could stop it. Calm themselves. It can be done if you catch it soon enough. This man was skisks.

So this is exactly what we're talking about. And this is what, again, I've been lucky enough to be able to train people to do. Like, oh, you're starting to panic. I call this red flags, right? I call this red flags. I wrote about it in the freaking kids books, write about in leadership strategy and tactics. You got to recognize when things are going sideways. In warrior kid, I wrote about you're losing your temper.

You got to recognize what are these red flags that are stepping up and popping up in your head. Here's a quote, I was scared and realized it. So I tried to calm myself down and think. it out think things out my thoughts however all came to the same conclusion no one would track me down to help me with this in mind I decided it would only be a few minutes before I was cited so hoping I could still avoid capture I selected a hiding place and some brush with my gun drawn and ready I waited so this guy was starting to panic like all right calm down think through it yep I'm probably

not gonna get I'm probably not gonna get rescued anytime soon I need to make a move this man stopped and thought things out my first instinct upon landing was to get out of my shoot and run for cover. I did not think of the shoot, just left it and took off running toward the first trees I saw that were about 70 yards to my right. Arriving there, I hid in a ditch to get my bearings and think things out. So, detaching, taking a step back, relax, look around. These things are infinitely beneficial. For survival, yes, but for life in general. Another quality.

He hopes for the best but prepares for the worst. We all know people who could go, who go right along as though nothing bad could ever happen. And they're flattened when something bad does happen. And there's another type who goes around wearing an iron kettle on his head for fear of a meteor will fall on him. The first type doesn't face the facts. The second lives in constant and parallel.

Fear of the facts. Neither one is smart. So you don't want to be hyper. You don't want to be hyper vigilant where you're freaked out all the time, but you do need to prepare. Fast forward a little bit. The man who keeps his hope and confidence up will see escape chances that the hopeless man would miss. I grew more confident because the sun was going down and it was growing dark. I had not heard any rifle fire for about 20 minutes.

and I knew the enemy realized I had a machine gun and would use it. I didn't believe they would risk moving fast enough to give their positions away to me and this would make it easier for me to outdistance them. Little confidence goes a long way. Faith in yourself and hope for escape will lead you to make preparations.

This man evaded successfully for five months. I had prepared my own escape kit in addition to the one issued. I sewed straps on my GI shoes and placed them on a small, cable and fasten them to my shoot none of the other crew members survived lack of faith prevents you from making preparation is an interesting one lack of faith prevents you from making prep preparations god can only help those who try to help themselves so if you don't think oh i'm going to die

anyways and it kind of it gets some examples of that attitude like i'm going to die anyways next thing you know you survive and you didn't prepare for it freaking bad move another quality he can hold his horses we all know men who are like children they have to do it right now others can wait a bit until they have a sure chance they can put first things first business before pleasure they can wait their turn or even give up the turn altogether we call a man like this grown up he's not only patient he weighs what he'll get now against what he'll get by waiting being able to wait having patience here are some men who had control of themselves patience that is the prime factor you can get in a hurry if you do you are

lost I would sit for two or three days watching some patrols another quote as the boats came closer I quit swimming and just let my head remain above the water in order to attract no attention The boats were about 2,000 feet for me when it grew so dark I lost sight of them These are people out hunting for him at night I awoke from a sound sleep and looked into the eyes of a man about six feet away I kept still finally the man looked off and walked away That's a cool calm dude right there and then it gives some example of some people who couldn't Keep their patience I tried patiently to operate the radio in every way I'd been shown

Growing more angry and disappointed at its failure I tore the aerial off through the cord away beat the battery on the rocks then through the pieces all over the hillside I was sure disappointed that's just insanity right You wouldn't think that that could actually happen but here's a war veteran admitting like there's no reason to tell this story Not like it makes you look cool You say oh I got so freaking mad I've destroyed my radio which is my only chance of salvation Another guy I became very impatient. I had planned to wait until night to travel but I just couldn't wait I left the ditch about noon and walked for about two

hours until I was caught. Damn. How's your patience level? Mine. Yeah. Good. Very good, yeah. Mm-hmm.

I have a lot of patience. Jiu-jitsu taught me a lot of patience. Yeah. I think patience is kind of like temper where even before I was enlightened about anger issues in that thing, I told you I read the book, mind games, blah blah, blah, blah. So even before that, I thought temper, I like, I for real thought it was like that powerful. it was like that powerful thing that I think most like primitive thoughts like I thought it was that because I couldn't step back and understand oh wait a second you know and then it was explained

to me and it just clicked really quick like to have seen your lose your temper I'd very rarely and in fact sometimes I would like fake it just to be like yeah you know how old were you when you last like fake losing your temper or actually lost your time probably in college or something you know drinking and who act like I'm like I'll kick your ass yeah yeah but I'm like I don't really feel like this, you know, I could easily just go back to my room. But it was like that. So I never had a thing. But patience to me is kind of the same thing where like, what does it look like to lose

your patience? Very similar to losing your temper. It's a little just a different flavor. So I've always, a long way of saying I've always been pretty patient. And now that I understand it more and have for a while, I believe I'm very patient. Now, that doesn't mean I want you testing it all the time and like all this stuff the way you do. But, nonetheless, generally speaking, I'm a check.

All right. Next quality. He can take it and dish it out. Few of us know how much we can really take, but expecting things to be tough or unpleasant helps any of us to be prepared to meet the worst when that can happen. When the dentist says, now this is going to hurt a little bit, he is using sound psychology because he is preparing you so that you will brace yourself for the pain. Here are some men who could take it. Quote an important thing in survival is to accept expect and accept unpleasant things This was true of the food we had to eat in prison camp

Lambs eyes floating in soup hair in food Another quote I took off again most of my travel was done by crawling because my ankle began to swell where I hit it on the tail during bailout It quickly grew worse until I could not stand on it So I crawled Another quote We moved into the middle of the forest Approximately three miles from the barn There we dug in

We remain there for four days without moving Without food or water Gotta be ready to take some pain And you got to be prepared to take pain Another quality He can quote Figure out the other man Some men step on everybody's toes

while others manage to keep practically everybody happy. The principal reason that this second group of men is so successful is that they are always aware of the feelings and moods of other people. This ability to feel with and size up other people and predict what they are going to do is important in survival. Isn't that an interesting thing to bring up? Actually understanding other human beings will help you in a survival situation and it will damn sure help you in life.

That is an interesting thing to, you know, when you're talking to people about survival, like how does that subject come up? You know, I wonder for some, you know, Fred just had, he just knew how to talk to everybody. You know what I mean? Like that came up.

It's such an important thing that it bubbled to the surface because you wouldn't think, hey, when you were surviving, what were you thinking about the understanding and empathy for other people and other people's perspectives? That's not a question that you'd be asking.

I can understand you're asking about food. I can understand, you're asking about being tough. You don't understand that. This is a very interesting subject to have come up and have it play such an important role. Here's a man who figured out what those who were looking for him

would probably do. Thinking there would be a good hiding place, I crawled into a haystack, but after due consideration, figured each haystack would be searched in this area, so crawled out and continued traveling. That's just like a little thing. Yeah.

It's just a little thing. Yeah, so they're essentially analyzing like all these guys actions right so it's like okay well you did this like what were you thinking there you know and then you're like okay that makes sense and then what quality drove you to do that right yeah yeah the deeper you look the more yeah the more you discover these qualities and all this stuff or whatever just by the way they were thinking you know like all right why were you thinking that well i've always been i used to i used to hike in the mountains i used to thought oh yeah yeah even like um for some reason that remember you're asking i think it was

Herbie, Heral? The ball peen hammer guy was that? So even that, you know, you paint this picture of like, yeah, what would I do kind of real vaguely, you know, whatever? And you're like, how did you knock the guys out? And I'm thinking, yeah, how would I knock the guy out? But I'm exploring all my knockout methods, you know? I've never once for one second thought knock somebody out with a ballpene hammer.

So that came as a surprise. But for him, it was like, yeah, that's how. Yeah. You know, that's how we're rolling. Ballpane hammer. Yeah. Did you ever see the movie? No country for old men.

Yeah, yeah. In that scene when he finds the site of like the drug bus gone bad, bad, and he's looking around to, he's like, oh, where would I go if I had this money? And he sees that tree off of these things like, yep, I'd be looking for shade. That's the kind of thing that they're talking about right now. You're going to figure out what are people going to do? And if you can figure out kind of what they're going to do, you can make a better prediction, have a much better chance of survival.

The other thing that's because you know, survivor's bias, right? Yeah. But in this case, it works. Because if you survived, then you're like, hey, here's what I did. Here's why I did it. And it actually makes sense. You're talking to the people that were able to get through whatever they went through. Yeah.

And then you get to also talk to people that got captured and they can tell you why they got captured. Yeah. Another quality. He knows when it pays to be a gentleman and when it doesn't. At some time or other, all of us have wanted to beat somebody up. I like stuff from 1954. At some time or another, all of us have wanted to beat somebody up.

But since we were children, we've been taught that this is not the nice thing to do. It isn't nice under ordinary circumstances, but the survival situation is definitely not ordinary. To survive, you may have to turn loose all the meanness and fight you have in you and then add some to that. Here's a man who knew how to let it go. Quote,

Captain W whipped out his little carbine bayonet and attaching it to his carbine yelled that he was going after the bastard before we knew what was happening the captain jumped out from behind his rock and began screaming in Korean and Russian he was saying that he was a tiger or bear he was letting out growls and roars like one the mixture of Chinese and Korean soldiers began firing at him but he kept going growling and yelling like a maniac the soldier was so scared and surprised that he just stood there with amazement and disbelief written all over his face i saw the captain disembowl him with his bayonet and keep going enemy soldiers all over the area took to their heels sometimes you got to go

get some captain w bringing it on the other hand this man froze quote a Chinese soldier in a tan and green uniform was about 10 to 12 feet from me, crawling on his hands and feet, carrying a machine gun. It scared me so badly that I emptied the balance of the clip into him, killing him instantly. I just froze and kept pumping bullets into him until my gun was empty. Here's another one. Of course, you have to remember who your friends are and not turn on them, as this man almost did. Quote, I was sure a copter would be back to get us within an hour, so I sat back and waited. Joe wanted to go on and a heated argument ensued.

By now our nerves and tempers were really shot. So it was very easy to have violent disputes over practically nothing. Over this air rescue deal, I came within an inch of pulling out my old 357 and shooting Joe. I was on the verge of complete collapse. That right there, isn't it when things go sideways, dude, people start. people can fall apart. It's funny. Even on deployment, like, look,

we weren't getting captured and running from the enemy. But even on deployment, just like, even my first deployment to Iraq, my first deployment to Iraq was pretty chill, right? And there was people that kind of like lost their minds.

And you'd think, man, like the stress level isn't that bad right now. It's kind of fun. We're having a good time. We're doing what we train to do. So seeing, I mean, when people get into these kind of stressful situations, start threatening to kill your friend, your teammate. Not good. Fast forward a little bit.

And as usual, behind it all, there must be the will to survive. Quote, five of us did not survive. The main reason they did not survive was because they had no. will to survive they didn't swim they didn't make any movement they just lay there died check he can be is another quality he can be the little man who wasn't there this is an interesting one some men stick out like a sore thumb no matter where they are while others if they want to will simply not be noticed it would be a good idea to study some of the ways of these men to kept kept from attracting attention

And here's the one. I made progress, quote, I made progress traveling merely by carrying a hoe or rake or another farm implement and walking along the main roads. I looked around and saw what people were doing and then I did what they were doing. This was how I got the idea of using a farm tool. This is why I kept clean shaven. I'm imagining that's World War II, like in France, shot down in France or something, just act like you're a French partisan. another one quote i finally decided it was clear enough to cross and made my way across the tracks and into a corn patch on the far side i moved fast but i did not run as that would call attention

to me as if i if i was seen for a distance pretty good self-awareness that's a good one though man like knowing when not to run when there's shit going sideways and you can just like just kind of walk that's a real good quality especially if you're going to get in trouble for something running's like the worst thing you could do yeah yeah like draws attention like you know ever I don't know maybe when you're little

we used to do this where someone quite is everyone has dogs right and they're varying levels of behavior with these dogs so your neighbor's dog like sometimes they're kind of rowdy dogs you know so they'll kind of come up to you or whatever but if you like start running away from the dog by the thing will chase you you know

but if you just just act normal whatever he'll sniff he'll like try to it seemed like he was trying to intimidate you oh for sure all the time but if you like do a big commotion or whatever it'll like bark at you and chase you and stuff well what's crazy is like bears yeah there you you there's different ways to act with different bears but if you stand up to him like it it can make them back away and run away like a bear will murder you yeah but and it depends on the the type of bear but but so yeah with humans it's gonna be the same thing like depending on how you act depending on if you start to run people immediately

notice that like oh this guy's done something wrong yeah something's uh with it was if you just walk out of there yeah like uh the movie heat yeah just walking out of that bank robbery if they were running they'd get noticed they barely got noticed yeah in the big robbery they barely got noticed but if they're just walking out walk out normal yeah goes a long way Oh, yeah. This is the last quality that they cover. He knows where his special fears and worries come from.

All of us have had accidents, scares, and worries when we were children that still bother us. Under dangerous survival conditions, these may cause trouble. But if a man knows where they came from, he can do something to control them. A man who as a child was bitten by a dog may still feel fear when a strange dog comes running from behind. But if he knows where his fear came from, he knows enough not to start running or start kicking the dog. He knows that his fear makes no sense and he controls it. However, some things learned in childhood can prove useful to survival, as in this case, quote, remembering an old cops and robbers trick I stuck my P1 helmet on the end of my dagger

and eased it up over the edge of the foxhole at arm's length from my head he fired another burst and put a hole through the top of that helmet so you got to know where your fears come from and what's causing them and then be able to control them and then it kind of wraps with this what this means to you you may now be thinking I am stuck with the personality I have and there isn't much that I survival training or anything else can do to change it. You are right, but this is the same problem faced in any kind of training. Training always has to start from where you are.

This is exactly what we were just talking about. Training always has to start from where you are. This is basic in any training program. This way, this was the way it was when you started. learning to be a pilot, a navigator, a gunner, a radio operator, or a flight engineer. The simulated survival situation will give you a chance to really size yourself up. You can take stock of yourself, find out what you have. Then you can find out how to use what you have to meet the emergency situations of survival.

So this is where I think they take a little bit of a different view. And we'll get into it. But take for instance the indecisive individual, the fellow who can't make up his mind. He can place himself in situations where he must make up his mind about choosing roots, making camp, getting food and water. Further, he can learn some methods and techniques

for arriving at decisions. So they are saying it, good. Like, if you're an indecisive person, you can learn to make decisions. You can get better at it. You must realize that in a survival situation, you may be completely on your own. You will have to decide for yourself.

taking responsibility for expressing an opinion even in a group you can develop confidence in your ability to make decisions if you lack ingenuity and resourcefulness and can't improvise you can watch how your survival instructor and other members of your crew go about inventing useful articles and equipment from whatever they find at first you may have to imitate the things they improvise but in this way you will begin to get the idea in this way you'll become you will come to see that it is possible to live off the land to be comfortable and expect yourself to be able to do it in a real emergency i like the fact that he talks about just imitation as a way of learning like you just start imitating the way your instructors

are acting yeah even if you're literally like they're taking a stick and turning it into a shelter right you watch them do it and you do exactly what they did your mind opens up a little bit it's going to be beneficial for you. If you are a person with little personal resourcefulness who can't live with himself, you may moan and groan throughout your survival training about the lack of movies, baseball and football games, nightclubs and parties, radio and newspapers, but you too will learn that you can exist without these things. Watch how your instructor and other members of your crew go about enjoying themselves under the condition. As you gain a little skill and confidence, you may actually take satisfaction

and being able to live with yourself. It's a weird expression. We don't say that expression really. Basically, we would say being alone. Yeah. Have you ever watched the show alone? Alone. There's a show alone.

And you get dropped off in the woods with... You have clothes, you have some basic survival gear. Like 10 items. Like you can have a bow and arrow. You can have a fire starter. You can have a tarp. So you get a selection of items. Yeah.

And then you go out and you get. And once you're out there, you just buy yourself in, in the woods. And they're usually up north, like Canada or something like this. There's been some other, but the good ones are up north. Yeah. So you got to go hunt. You got to gather berries. You got to build a shelter.

You got to do all the stuff. But a lot of the people go home because you quit. And basically the person that stays out there the longest wins. Oh, yeah. Okay. A lot of people. I don't want to throw a percentage on it, but a decent amount of people,

they quit, not because they're out of food, not because they're out of shelter, not because they can't build a fire. They quit because they get lonely. They basically miss their family. Now listen, is there some rationalization going on?

Yes, because they're also starving. It's basically the show, instead of being called alone, it could easily be called starving. Yeah. Because everybody starves. Yeah.

Like, they're starving. There's no, very few people are able to get, a surplus of food and calories. It's just not gonna happen that quick. There's a guy Jordan that killed a moose. Freaking Bowen arrow, that was legit.

But then he built like a place to store the moose, meat, and Wolverines came in and took like the fat away, which is the part that you really need. Oh yeah, like calories. Yeah, because you can get rabbit starvation. You ever heard of that? Where you're getting meat, you're getting protein, but no fat and you can still starve.

Yeah. Yeah. So he was entering that mode. Luckily he won. Yeah. But there was a show naked and afraid. You ever heard of that? I remember.

Yeah. Just like you were going naked into the, but you had someone with you, right? So some of them. There's a bunch of them now. But if I'm not mistaken, you there's two people, yes, and then you end up meeting up after a few days or something like that. Yeah.

So maybe the prime is slightly different because of the alone. Actually, if they're calling it alone, that's the main thing. But yeah, no one, I don't remember anyone quitting because they were lonely. Yeah. Well, if you have one other person, you're not alone. No. But, and I, you look, some of it is definitely rationalization. Yeah, fully.

Where people are like, well, I just miss my family. And I shouldn't say it. So some people are like, hey, I really miss my family. I just want to go home. Meanwhile, I haven't eaten in nine days type thing. And it sucks and I'm freezing. Yeah, it kind of exacerbates the loneliness, right? Where it's like, it's just more misery overall.

And then the missing people, the homesickness or whatever, it's just elevated because of all the other discomfort. And all that being said, there's people that are like, oh, I just love it here so much. There's people that have been. Extracted because they do a medical check on you once a week and if you've lost too much weight your organs are shutting down They just you lose bad yeah, but there's been people that have gone through that where they're they're saying you know I just love it out here and I got my friend the The tree bark this is my friend the tree bark and they're talking to the tree bark

Yeah a little bit wild but they're not lonely so this idea that there's some people that don't like being alone Is true because you can see it on that show for sure some people they do not like being alone Yeah, so I think that's a natural thing, right? Because in prison they put you in, like, solitary. I'm making sure there's more to it than that. Yeah, but there's definitely some people that don't mind being alone. Oh, yeah, big time. Like, you ever been to the movies by yourself?

Like even as a kid or anything like this? We'd have to go back in the day because, like, you don't go to movies anymore. Right, right. Yeah, it would have to be back. But I don't think I've ever gone to a movie alone. I don't know Yeah, so I have But kind of later in my movie watching

In theaters career But before that It was like it seemed weird It seemed awkward like what But then I'm thinking logically Wait I don't talk during the movie I hope not anyway Some people do whatever

But I don't or I don't like to So like what's the big deal? It just seems weird Isn't it weird now too Because you have your phone with you So you're actually never Technically alone in a way Now it's way

Because if you were waiting in line at the DMV, you're basically not alone because you got your phone. You're texting people. You used to be like you're straight up alone. You just sit there and think. Yeah. And if you try that now, it's like, I don't know. I'm sure. But if you try that now, like if you turn off your phone or let's say you forgot your phone or whatever, it's kind of refreshing on a conscious, like conscious level.

At first you're like, oh, my gosh, you feel kind of weird. Like, oh, I don't know my phone. But then after like maybe even like three minutes, it's like kind of nice. I like to do that when I'm in some, let's say I'm waiting for someone somewhere. I just, well, I'll just stand there. Because if you let's sit down? Yeah, no, because so many, I'll sit down, but I'll sit down and just like, look. Because so many people now, if instead of waiting, they almost feel uncomfortable standing around.

So you just, hey, I'll just pull up my phone and just look at my phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fully. So instead of doing that, it's just stand there. Yeah. Just stand there and think about it. So like as opposed to pull out your phone as opposed to pull out your Yes. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. In fact to make it a hat like I would I would not advise but I would recommend just as a thing to to do that Because I do do that too one the thing that sparked it was kind of is kind of ego in a way where I was at the dentist and you know you wait you're in the waiting room

Right all the same everyone's looking at your phone. Yeah and I looked up in everyone's doing the exact same exact position to that's the thing and they all had the same look on their You thought to yourself on better than that. Yeah, you know, it was kind of like, I didn't think that consciously. So what did you do instead? You sat. Yeah, so I was like, hey, let me, because I found myself, I was in the same situation. I was looking at my phone too. But, you know, it was one of those moments of clarity where I look up and be like,

wait a second. We're all like kind of doing the, it kind of felt like something was controlling us, you know, kind of a thing. You know, felt that way. No, like something on purpose, you know, on that day. Bro. Hello. Bro, I felt it.

So it's like, you know what? Let me do this. And it hit me so, like, significantly. where I put it away and probably just started noticing all kinds of things. You know, just like even the picture on the wall. I was like, wait, bro, why they, you know, like this doesn't mean. All this stuff I was noticing. So I was like, okay, cool.

So kind of after that, every time I have to wait, I do. I mean, of course, I'll get on my phone sometimes when it's like, okay, it's not, it's not that serious today kind of a thing. But it will be on my mind. I'll be like, okay, now, am I getting on my phone right now or am I doing the whole like observing thing, you know? There's just so much that we miss, I think. It's crazy that you have an.

unlimited supply of entertainment in your pocket like an unlimited supply of brain Stimulation in your pocket you can do everything from watch a jiu jitsu video to watch a movie to scroll through Freaking Instagram and look at whatever your algorithms putting in front of you Yeah, God bro it goes so deep that right there goes so deep because it's good and bad Because you can like read a book you can like look up like in from like critical information or you can look at dumb information by you're still looking something up or you can just sit there and just mindlessly be entertained

like you can do anything on there so it's kind of like hey you don't have to be bored or alone ever. Yeah. Like literally ever. Yeah, I bet the next generation of prisoners of war that get captured and don't they're going to have a little wake-up call.

Even going to boot camp. Like if you're going to boot camp right now imagine you're a 18-year-old kid you've had a phone in your pocket since you were 13 years old you've had been addicted to this thing and then it's gone yeah yeah I like that man when I go to places where there's no reception you know be out in the bush and it's just like so nice you can shut that terrible thing down being alone without like people around or whatever I mean obviously you know everyone's different and I'm sure there's a balance to it but I feel like there's something like regenerative about that. About being around with no people. No people. Yeah.

And if you're like that show alone, being in nature and like that kind of stuff where it's like there's still stuff going into your brain. Like in solitary, for example, like if you're in prison, just in a room, there's like nothing. That's nothing. That's for real aloneness.

You know, you're not alone with the world. You're like alone in a box, you know, kind of a thing that's a way different. But if you're like always with someone, you've got to be really comfortable with that person. If you're with someone, just them being there already has some of your attention.

Just a human being there. Like the example, you know, you ever had someone stay? I mean, I know you're a little bit different, but there has to be, this has to register at least a little bit. You know when someone like wants to come over to your house or sleep over or freaking stay over, oh, I'm just going to be a few days, you know, can I stay at your house or whatever? Like that thing. Oh, I'll stay out of your hair, you know, like, oh, just act like I'm not even here, right? Kind of a thing. If you can't.

Well, they're impossible. They're borderline impossible. Like, how can I pretend you're not there? You're a human being. I can't pretend like, okay, I'm gonna pretend you're not here. Like, if you're the only one here, everyone, all of my family is gone. I'm gonna walk by you like, or walk by this area like you're not here, impossible. It's not possible.

You know, so your presence, a human being's presence is always noticeable. Always. See what I'm saying? So it takes some of your attention, no matter what. So the absence of the human being is like it's essentially night and day as far as the mindset, a state of mind. So you're saying? Yeah. My wife had a woman come by to like help pick out some furniture or something.

Yeah. Hell yeah. And I happen to be there. And she's like, oh, well, she's like trying to make conversation. Who the furniture lady? Yeah. She's trying to talk to me too. Like I get dragged into it a little bit.

And she goes, she goes, do you guys like it? She goes like, do you guys like entertaining? Cause and, because this would be really nice. And I go, no, I wish no one would ever come over to my house ever. And she looked at me like I was the biggest psycho ever, you know? I think I can just, the funny part of that is not that you said it,

but just the experience that she probably had with you being the one saying that. Yes, that is very fun. But I think that's pretty common. I think especially for guys where it's like, bro, I don't know. Then again, I don't know. I can't speak for everybody, but bro, I'm with you, man.

It's like, if you're, look, if you're in the mood to have a little get together, that's one thing. But if you're not in that mood, bro, don't even, bro, leave it at the door. Freaking, don't come in. Don't come over. You want to come to stay?

You know, like how friends come in? This has changed. I was not like this when I was young, whatever. You know what? Friends come into town. Hey, I'm coming into town. You know, I'd be like, bro, don't even ask. Don't, bro, stay.

There's a hotel and, you know, two miles away at the very fucking closest, you know. But I don't, what's with staying? Don't stay at the house. Please, please, please. It's funny, too, because in the military, I mean, you're living in barracks. You're living with roommates. You're living with freaking bunkmates. Like, it's compressed.

But then your house is a different thing. Yeah. And well, frick, my whole life, I've literally had a roommate since before I was born, by the way. Oh, yeah. You had a roommate in the womb. In the womb, the whole deal. So, yeah, and then growing up, we always shared room. Dorms, same thing.

Boom. And then all the way really until about, what, 2003, four, five. No, I've always, like, lived with somebody. I mean, I lived alone for probably like a year and a half, two years in my whole life. When was that? Like before I got before I was with my current wife. You seem like you were really stoked living alone. Oh yeah, big time.

Yeah, big time. Because yeah, Jay's got married. That's why I and did all this stuff. So I was like, all right, well, we can't live with him, them anymore. Because I was living with them, you know, so I'm down for it. Or it was anyway, down for whatever, but that's different than visitors. You know, like visitors, bro. You got to have a designated time where I'm in the mood for that.

Otherwise, bro, don't. But I mean, that's an extreme way of putting it. You know, obviously I have a lot of flexibility for sure. So I'd say you're okay being alone. Yes, sir. Oh, yeah, big time. Yeah, me too. Big too.

Check. All right, going back to the book here. If you lack flexibility, you'll make many mistakes in your survival training because of this lack. But from these very mistakes, you can learn. Don't expect all the answers from your instructor. Re-examine the problem, try and figure out what you did wrong and why. Then revise your thinking in the light of this.

reexamination you will find that there's more than one solution to most problems in survival. Again, it's what they're saying. What they're saying is what we're saying is a flexibility. Some people are naturally inflexible. You're going to get, you can get better at it. You're not going to be as good as this guy over here who just has like a totally open mind, but you can definitely get better at it. If you make mistakes because of panic or overexcitement, you can learn to recognize the signs of

approaching panic and overexcitement. If you can do this, you will discover. oftentimes that easy does it or techniques for calming down can also be developed. If you're a naturally pessimistic person, you'll probably be heard loud and long during the trek or you will be a gloomy gus. Either of these reactions will make it rough on you as well as the rest of your crew. They will start steering away from you. If this starts happening, try to figure out a reason for it. A pessimistic attitude is usually based on a feeling that everything is all bad, if you take an objective look, you'll find that no particular

time is either all bad or all good. These two allnesses, allness attitudes are childish and really the basis for pessimism and unrealistic optimism, both perhaps equally dangerous to survival. And what's cool is this, obviously this book is about a survival course. And this is the way you get better in the world. You have to go out there and you have to experience. the world and I've been talking about this a lot lately everything is training everything that you do in life is training taking your kids at school is training

it's training for you it's training for them going to work today the project that you're running everything that you're doing is training if you frame it in your mind that hey how efficient was I when my when the teacher started talking about my kid and was saying they did something bad and I started getting Matt it's training you're being trained everything that you're doing is training if you frame it the right way and you pay attention to it. Patience and tolerance for discomfort are essential parts of preparation for survival. If you know how to wait, you may learn in the intelligence phases of the training,

what your impatience can cost you. When you have to wait, you will be miserable and will want to turn your feelings against the training program, the instructor, or the Air Force. At this point, it would be a good time for you to start learning how to occupy yourself by learning new skills, gaining new knowledge, or just making. living conditions more comfortable and pleasant. If you look carefully, you can find a hundred ways patience pays off. If you're habitually impatient, you can learn to be more patient in survival situation.

A navigator who has a long history of being very, very impatient individual, found himself in a situation which required extreme patients. He realized that the situation required patients and that he tended to be very impatient. Thus, he was able to meet the demands to survive. It didn't really go into the discomfort part. Oh, here it is. As for learning to put up with discomfort, You can learn many ways of making things easier

and more comfortable for yourself. You also find that is much easier to put up with a little discomfort temporarily than to experience the suffering and greater discomfort from a failure to endure temporary discomfort. You should learn to recognize the signs of the approach of your breaking point and develop skills for dealing with yourself in the situation.

And doing things that make you uncomfortable, you'll get more used to it. I'm in the middle of death reset right now and I'm doing 100 burpees a day. yeah like regardless of what else i'm doing and uh yeah it's just like the first kind of few days i was kind of like excited well me and then i got into the like dude this just sucks and what's cool now is i'm just like yep no i mean it's almost like yep just doing it i can i've i've improved i'm pretty good at discomfort yeah and just doing 100 burpees a day i'm i've gotten better i've

noticed in 20 days of just being like up just shutting off my brain and just doing the burpees almost like I'm always doing the burpees as if it's an out of body experience my body's doing the burpees in my mind isn't yeah yeah right now yeah that's good man yeah but I will say when I do that like it's more comfortable mentally but I'm not in the game so I'm not pushing myself as hard I'm kind of just going through the motions which is not a bad thing yeah sometimes to be able to just shut off your mind when I'm like oh dude I want to see how fast I get him today or whatever. Then it's, I got to think about it. I got to get into it. Right. But just to be able to shut off your mind and just suffer through. Yeah.

Freaking, it's a good thing. It's a good thing to have. You will get better at it. When do, I mean, so generally speaking, and I'm sure there's a threshold here where, you know, you're good at enduring discomfort and stuff like that. Do you, is it, is your mind the kind where you recognize the discomfort and you ignore it or you choose to like make,

like don't give it a vote kind of a thing or or are you for real like oh discomfort doesn't exist to a certain degree it might be a little bit of everything yeah so okay so let's go with the reason I ask this for this because okay 100 burpees right that's a journey like that's not like I mean you know it takes a certain kind of like physical conditioning to be like 100 burpees is literally easy for me you know so that's a journey 10 burpees I think for most of us like on a certain that are used to a certain level of fitness, 10 burpees is a no factor. Like, you can literally do that when you're, like, injured, like that, you know, depends on the injury.

Obviously, but 10 burpees is what I'm saying. 100 burpees is a journey. At what number-ish does it become uncomfortable for you where you're like, this is the discomfort part? It really does depend on how hard you're going. Yeah. So let's say a general run-of-the-mill burpees. You're not testing yourself, but.

you're not slacking, like actively slacking. 30. After about 30, huh? Yeah, after 30, you start, you know, now you're breathing hard. Your legs are feeling it a little bit. And again, it depends on like, well, how high are you really jumping and how fast are you going? But yeah, 30. Yeah.

And so let's say, and especially when you're used to, if you've done as many burpees as you or even half the amount that you've, you know the protocol. You know the journey, right? So like when you say, how high are you jumping? You know when you're like really getting after and jumping out. And you know when you're like basically taking the boxes where it's like, hey, I got off the ground. Period. You know. And then you also know when, hey, this is my normal burpee.

This is my normal burpee, you know, right at the level of acceptability, whatever. You kind of know that. Right. So that being said, generally speaking, I'm just trying to extract info here for my purse, for our personal. So after about 30 and what's your protocol? You do for the 100. you do 40, 30, 20, 10. Okay.

And I kind of like get a little breath in between. Yeah, yeah, fully. So the, so at about what the first, that first go at 30, you're like, here's where the discomfort starts on this journey. Yeah. Yeah. And then you only have 10 more and you get a little breather. And then you do. What's interesting is the second, like, because not like you're taking a long rest, but you're resting for like 20, 30 seconds or 15 seconds, something like that.

Wait, wait. So you do 40. So when you're saying the discomfort comes, it's during that first 40 at number 30. Okay. But then you only have 10 more to do, like for that. Right, for that. But then the next one, it's like the discomfort's going to come at 20 and then you only have 10 more. And then you do 10 and you only have 10 more and then you do 10.

That's weird. It's a good little way to break it up. Mine is different than yours. What do you do? Where I do, I'll just, I'll go 20, 2020, and then I just break it up as is, however I feel at that point. But the weird thing is my discomfort doesn't cut. Like I get fatigued. feel the fatigue, but the discomfort where it's like, oh, here's where the pain starts is at about

60 of the total. Yeah, but you're taking a break after 20. Yeah. Yeah. So if I did 20, 2020, 20, I might not ever feel any discomfort. Yeah, that's why. That's why it's so funny. That's why it's interesting where it's like, we call that the comfort zone, my friend.

And that's exactly where you're at. Whatever. No, doesn't it only matter the at the end time? Right? How if you break it up. You want to get to feel uncomfortable so you can be more accustomed to it, which is what this entire book is about you're not sitting there inside the cup why don't you just do one every half an hour well you got to get within 10 minutes right I mean that's kind of the paper or the penciled in goal there

you don't have to do it but so if you so then again I guess if there's that little other goal and this is just methods of kind of approaching this burpees scenario where you want to get them under 10 minutes essentially right it's either 100 burpees or 10 minutes of burpees whichever gross you want to get under 10 minutes but if you know you can get it under 10 minutes now comes the secondary goal where it's like okay, how much under 10 minutes, right? Doesn't matter as much, but it's a little something, right? That's when the protocol comes in. So it's like, all right, what's the best method to get under 10 minutes?

Yeah, there's also a chance that just doing them slower could be faster. Yeah, you know what I think, though? Because I did that thing with Pete and Jason Kalippa, where whoever could get 100 reps of bench the fastest. and Pete did the all-out deal where as many as you can every set rest as much as you need to no I thought that was a bad move

because when Jason did something along those lines he failed once you go to failure it puts your energy like at this weird level so I'm thinking no I'm gonna get the perfect fucking split you know for perfect thing and I lost like I didn't do well at all Pete beat us by a lot with his protocol just all out sprint

yeah so I think if you're going for time I think that's my freaking hypothesis right now burpees, you just do the same thing, go all out, because you get so many of them done, like all at once. That's true. Yeah, and then if you're gassing, then you can do the twos and threes and fives and, you know, and freaking just kind of scrape up the last few. And by that time, that time is just like freaking hasn't gone nowhere.

It's eight minutes, six minutes. And you'll be training your discomfort, which is a good thing, which I recommend. Next one. If you're insensitive to the point of view of others, you will quickly learn in a crew survival situation that other people have feelings and ideas of their own. You also need to learn the value of sizing up and predicting what the enemy is apt to do. So, man, human nature got to know it. If the going gets rough during training, this is a good time to practice some aggressive action in meeting and overcoming obstacles. Whether it's heat or cold thirst or hungry to loneliness or confusion, do something about it.

As for unobtrusiveness, even the bull in the china shop can learn specific ways for keeping from being noticed. The important thing is to recognize the importance of being able to keep from being noticed. Some childhood fears, such as those of steep places, the dark, strange foods, water may return during survival training. Now that you are more mature and more adequate, you can now deal with these fears. better once there was a reason for these fears now there isn't you can take care of yourself your chance of overcoming these fears is good if you try and then it closes out saying or close out this section which will close out the book for us today use your survival training to size yourself up under stress man that's a good

one it's a good one to kind of check and see where you're at learn the need for changing behavior to meet the emergency situations of survival and learn how to use your strengths and control your weaknesses to meet the various emergencies of survival. And I think that's a good plan, not just for survival, but for life. Because we all have strength and weaknesses, right? We've all got them. And we can utilize our strengths, and we should. And we can improve our weaknesses, our weaknesses, and we should.

You can only improve your weaknesses if you're humble enough to admit them. So be humble. Take ownership. Do something about what's happening around you. And be the type of person that survives in a survival environment, but also be the type of person that wins in life. That's what we got for today from the U.S. Air Force, 1954. Check.

Speaking of survival. Wait, what did you think off the top of your head that was like inappropriate given he was old school? there's other parts which we didn't get to today that nothing nothing it's not so much inappropriate but I guess the way that the whole thing that we kicked off yeah when you said it was like would you say it was a victim blaming yeah that right that's like politically incorrect right to say hey the reason that you lost like if you if you son lost a wrestling tournament yeah instead of being like hey you did your best right and you just you just didn't have it today

Yeah. Or the other, you know, that coach really trained his kids better than your coach did. Like, make, make a, make a, if you're like, hey, you lost because you need to train harder. Yeah. Or you broke. You know what I mean? Yeah. Actually, they went a little bit harder.

Now they, I'm thinking about it because they were talking about freaking frostbite. Yeah. Where that's like, come on, let's face it, that's not obvious. Like, if you lost a wrestling tournament, that's easy to be like, well, I didn't train hard enough where it's like, okay, now it's like, okay, how reasonable, you know, are you going to be about this whole wrestling kind of a thing. But so it's easy to connect the dots between your lack of preparation and your lack of, you know, outcome or whatever. But frostbite. That's a good example that they picked. They chose that for a reason.

That makes sense. At least I'm assuming they did. Because everyone, a lot of people would kind of shrug their shoulders and go, well, you know, it's frostbite. And you know, this, this, the same things come up when it comes to extreme ownership. I would say, on average, people think that they actually have ownership of like 60% of what's going on in their world. And they probably have control of 96% of what's going on in their world. And there's 4% of stuff that just is totally jacked up. It's freaking diseases.

It's car accidents. It's like there's absolutely things that you don't have control over. And when that happens, you take ownership of how you respond to it. But we have so much more control than we think we do. And if your mindset is non-aggressive. lackadaisical, victim mentality. They didn't use the term

victim mentality, which you hear that a lot these days. But they're saying the same thing. I'm a victim, like, what's that line? There's a line in here that they use that it's the passive individual lax aggressiveness takes things

as they are without trying to do anything about them. That's like I'm a victim to the world. The world is happening to me. I'm not happening to the world. That's not, I guess that's where I was talking about when I talked about this thing being not quite politically,

correct. Yeah. It's speaking the truth. And look, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, try and die into the whole like, like, what political correctness is and all that stuff. Yeah. To me, those things wouldn't be politically correct. According to right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and they actually did say that that, that, that part of, um, what do you call it all this? You know, nothing's all good or bad, right? that in, but that concept of, like, like, like, and, and, and, and, but that concept of, Like it's a little of both. So even like most situations where we might,

where we might obviously see ourselves as the victim of a certain like event, right? When you're the just like how you're saying, hey, we have way more control over these things than you think. There's a lot of things you could point out right off the bat that could have either been done or just a mindset or something. Something could have been done to reduce that, to reduce the victimization, you know? And even if you go as a whole, like even like when you say car accidents, Yes, there is a certain percent of car accidents. Like, I was literally doing all the right things, all of them.

Yeah. But if you took all the car accidents that happened in a given year and you analyzed each, all of the events, you'd be like, oh, that guy was racing, that guy was drunk. That guy, you just, and you eliminated all that, yeah, it could very well be like 90%. It could be, I don't know, I don't know. But it would stand to reason that it would be a significant amount of reduction. And let's say you get T-boned, right? is it not a good idea as you're approaching an intersection with a green light to like at least cover the brakes a little bit and not go through and maybe even like look both directions as you're approaching it you know what I mean

look look I'm not saying that this couldn't happen to me today on my drive home where I'm going through green light of course like green light I'm going boom get T-boned but to just say well there's nothing you can do about that right as opposed to teaching your kids hey when you're going is green light yeah but you still check both Wouldn't that be a good thing to teach your kids? Yeah. Right? Hey, look both ways. Wouldn't it be a good thing to teach your kids? Oh, yeah, you know, you're responsible for your feet.

And you need to carry extra socks. Teach your soldiers that. Like, hey, this is on you as opposed to, well, my boss didn't tell me exactly what gear to bring. It's like, no. Yeah. So again, what's the percentage? What I say?

96%. Yeah. Man, you have so much control of your life. So much more than you think you do. That's like when people have, you know, the boss made me do this. Really? What kind of relationship do you have you're the boss? Yeah. Because my boss has always listened to what I had to say, like in a big way.

Yeah. To the point where I kind of always got what I wanted. Yeah. When it mattered. You know, it was something stupid. I don't care. Oh, yes, sir. We'll fill out that paperwork.

I got it. Like, who cares? Did I want to fill out paperwork? No, but did I get it done? Yep. No problem. Yeah. But don't, but to just surrender ownership, this is the wrong answer.

And it is true. And you start looking at these scenarios. And like we said, take. a thousand people and you you look at who ended up getting captured who who ended up getting captured it was the people that were laxicadaisical that didn't have the aggressiveness that were hypochondrical that's oh you always think you're sick that's just like it's an attitude and look I'm not saying don't go to the doctor if you don't feel good but just check yourself yeah it it provides

True, man. And that's actually very good manual. Because it's like when you're in a junk situation, this is super broad term, obviously. But when you're in a shitty situation, there's a massive difference. Almost night and day. It's pretty much black and noise.

Night and day versus the person who looked for every single opportunity to pursue to get out of that situation, every single one. Always 100% of the time on the lookout for an opportunity to get out of the bad situation versus the guy who, what, accepted it you know their failure or whatever the the term is versus the person who did it yeah night and day yeah do you know how much it relieves stress in life if like like I'll take me for example something bad happens to me I I'm like okay well

here's I'm getting out of it here's what I'm gonna do here's an room move from that's like that's and some people don't have that attitude something bad happens and it's a beat down and there's no escaping it I I hardly ever feel that way about anything. You know, this is coming. I think if my freaking airplane has an engine failure at altitude, I'm going to figure out a way to like free fall and hit a pool with a cover on it. Whatever, you know what I mean?

Yeah, we're going to figure this out. I understand. So, but if you have that attitude, it's like, oh, well, you know, bad stuff will happen, but it's not going to be that bad. And we'll figure out a way out of it. Yeah. And Let's go.

Yeah. Whereas if your attitude is like, oh, the whole world is conspiring against me, that's a rough way to go through life. Yeah. It's a rough way as opposed to like, yeah, you know what? That's going to be bad and we'll sort it out. There's very little. It's such a much better attitude to have and it makes you so much more open-minded about what's going on and life becomes so much easier and and better when you're not,

when you look at things with a positive outlook of like, okay, we've got an opportunity here. And the way they put it in the book is, what makes the difference in the situation that you're facing is that you're in it. Yeah. You're in it. You can make the situation better

or you can make the situation worse by the way you manage yourself, period. Yeah. It's so weird though because you can't convince, it's very difficult to convince people of that. It's very difficult for people to see, in this other perspective. You know,

it's very difficult for people to see that. When you have someone that's going through a tough relationship, you have someone that's having a problem with business, you have somebody, whatever they're going through, it's very hard to

bring them around and be like, okay, look, the reason you're breaking up with this person is because you don't belong together. You're going to go meet someone else. Go meet someone else.

Go. Oh, the reason this business is failing is because it doesn't work. So you're getting out of it right now. Let's go. Figure out of it. Oh, just gives you not.

opportunity go get a different job go find another business it's hard when people are in those tough situations for them to hear and listen yeah and actually in a way it goes back to that untrained and trained thing you know it's like tell someone to do if they've never done squats before tell them go do a 20 rep squat day they'd be like why are you guys even doing this like I would never select to do this ever it makes no sense I just had an additional realization about you which I'm going to incorporate into my whole thing so So you know how I told you this before where I kind of nerd out on the way things like work, you know, like, oh, this is the way. But you kind of like, you need like basically the minimum or appropriate amount of information.

All, that's it. Only the minimum amount enough for you to take action. Like that's what you need. Anything beyond that, you're like boring me kind of a thing. You start yawning and like tapping your whatever you tap. So I'm like, okay, you just need enough information to know what action to take. And it's usually like a small action. and just take some action, right?

That's what it seems like. So it's like, oh, yeah, so this falls in line and given even what you just said there. Like you're always looking for, okay, so now what's the move then? It's like, cool, that's what happened? That's how it works. Cool. So what's the move then?

Good and bad. So in this case, you know, in regards to like this manual and stuff, it's like when you consider when bad things happen, if you're just that kind of thinker where it's like, okay, what's the move now? You're going to get yourself out. At some point, you're out of that situation. And when you know that, you're like,

okay, cool, bad things. Not that big deal because I'm looking for that move or that collection of moves and we're out of here. See what I'm saying? We're done. We're successful kind of a thing. Versus like if you're not trained like that.

You're like, oh my gosh, you can't believe this happened. I can't believe this happened. Oh my gosh, why didn't I do that? You're all nerding out about the way it works or how you feel or all this other stuff and then making some inaccurate evaluation about your doomed life. What your move going to be?

Jeff Glover. Yes. She doesn't care where he's. gets put in Jiu-jitsu he literally does not care like you can he you can say I'll start he'll be like start on my back with a rear naked choke on yeah and he's like oh then he'll and you know what he might tap but he doesn't really care because he's gonna also might good chance getting out and if he taps he just tries again yeah not that big of a deal and you watch him rolling he just doesn't care and so think of how

you ever been to a mat where you're like oh my gosh there's certain guys there and I've never tapped to him before I don't want to tap to him you ever had that happen Yeah, yeah. Where you're like, oh, I got, I don't, I don't, oh, there's Bill and Bill like he has a bad attitude, you don't like him, but he's getting really good and I don't want to tap to him. Right. Well, thankfully, I've, I felt something similar, but it's more that like, man, I don't want this beef today.

Like, I don't want to be on bottom side control of chocolate today. Like, it's just not in me. That beef is not with me right now. Now it seems like Jeff Glover just doesn't care about that. Yeah. Because his attitude is like, hey, he just been in these situations before. He knows how to get out. knows that not big of a deal so that's like a way to go through life it's like

oh yeah some bad stuff might happen you know it also allows you to take a little bit more risk like oh i can invest in this we'll see what happens oh i've lost a little bit of money but it's okay i can recover but work through it just having that attitude of of understanding how much influence and ownership you have in a scenario to move forward it's a game changer but you have to It's not always easy to see. It's not always easy to see. In fact, it's hard to see. And one of the hardest things to see about is what we're saying is it's on you.

And when that relationship doesn't work, it's on you to figure it out. When that business doesn't work, it's on you. There's no one going to show up and be like, oh, I've actually decided I want to give your company a bunch of money. That doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. You got to figure out what you're going to shut the doors, reestablish another product. You've got to figure it out. You've got to make something happen.

That's what you need to do. So that's how you survive and that's how you win. All right. Speaking of survival, when I was at survival evasion resistance and escape school. Searschool. You don't give you any food. What you do? You kill a rabbit.

You eat the rabbit. I also ate like some disgusting bugs. I ate crickets and they're like, you ever picked up a cricket and they got like a barbs, like little tiny, tiny barbs on their legs? Yeah. So kind of they feel sticky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ate one of the few of those things.

I did. And they felt sticky going down the hatch. And then I ate, I ate like disgusting. Grasping for his life down your throat. Yeah, yeah. I ate disgusting, like larvae. Yeah, yeah. Like bug.

Grubs. Yeah, grubs. Okay, pulled up like a bark. Yeah. And there was larvae in there and I just ate it. Yeah. And part of it was just me just like just doing it to, pushed through it.

Yeah. But boy, I would have really liked to have a mulk out there. Yeah. Well, I hate to... I really wish joccofield.com was around at that time. Yeah, for immediately...

To do a little delivery to the house. Yeah, no, that's impossible. But the... I hate to break this to you. You know, yeah, you're a hard guy. I understand that. I've known that for a long time. Crickets are not that bad.

Crickets are actually kind of good. I didn't say it was bad. I'm saying there was barbs on the legs that were kind of sticky... down the hatch that part was kind of off I get it the larvae though like you know when you see people eat those big ass maggots like the big ones like oh okay I can I can see that's that's that's that's an endeavor for sure probably the size of like a

like a pen cap type scenario yeah you know something like that maybe a little half of a pen cap I think right now though if I mean granted you probably didn't where were you in the in the in the oily crunch then juice were you in the woods yeah okay so if for some reason and if we're by the beach, you put some salt on it and you're hungry, Brad, no problem. No problem. But it'd be like some sashimi kind of.

We didn't have any salt out there. No, yeah, then no salt. But being hungry, that helps a lot. Crickets, no problem. No factor. Yeah, in fact, my kids have, it wasn't not the ones you find on the street or nothing like that. I forget where they went somewhere recently

and they're like, fuck yeah, I'm down for crickets. You ever, you know, you ever heard of my son. My son used to just eat ants like it was. Yeah, ants are problems. It was crunchy. It's like no factor, just like crunch, picking up answers he was a little kid too yeah I was kind of like well we you ever ate an earthworm yeah for yeah like when we were little kids it was like you do it off a dare

or something like that it's like oh this isn't actually that bad so when you're used to it even the idea of sea urchin right if you go to sushi eat sea urchin it's like it's kind of the same thing granted it's kind of more salty and delicious but here's the facts bro you don't need to be eating this stuff yeah well get yourself up some joccal get yourself some greens get yourself some Hi, J. Get yourself some join warfare, super krill. You guys know the deal. We got, listen, you don't have to be eating grubs, larvae, crickets. Don't have to.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, the workout, for sure. Do you wear them when you do squats? Yes. Do you get too hot? Well, now it is, yeah, because I work out outside,

my home gym outside. So, yeah, joggers all day. All day. What about that gym project you were doing? Weren't you going to do a gym project? Yeah. Is that on hold? Yeah.

Okay. It was a big project like for a bunch of stuff. Jim was part of it. And then it's it's a long story. Okay. Yeah. You ever worked with like a, what do you call like an interior designer?

Well, I told you about that person that came over my house that wanted to just to want to know if I like to entertain. Yeah. No, I don't want it. Was that for like construction? Like was there construction involved or just like decorative?

It was like, patio like outdoor furniture type stuff okay you know so ours was like a whole thing like furniture yes but it was like construction additions taken off this and opening this you know it was like a project or whatever is it a bit much for you at the time like seemed like a lot we'll just say and look I know everyone has their thing you know but that's like a um that's like there can be some creative differences I think and there was just a lot and so let's let's say something. Sometimes a lot of us don't see eye to eye on certain things. And sometimes you get to.

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You can have an impact on your world. Surviving and winning depends a great deal on knowing and facing the situation that you are in. But remember that you're a part of that situation. You can make the situation better or worse based on how you manage yourself. It is on you. So take action and go, survive, and win. And until next time, this is Echo and Jocko. Out.