Jocko Podcast - 488: If You Leap Into a Well Don't Count Anyone To Pull You Out. The Hunn-Beating Proverbs Pt. 2

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

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This is Jocko podcast number 488 with Echo Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So podcast, 485 was actually Kerry, not you. You were, you know, extremely busy, occupied, doing something. Yeah. Like vacation. Body surfing.

For three weeks. Well, we started covering some quotes from the Hun Beating Proverb book, which was published in 1918 and it was aimed at for the most part it was aimed at Canadian soldiers who were fighting the Germans in World War I and I talked a little bit about about why the Germans were called Huns it was a derogatory name which was based on a speech it was given by Wilhelm I second has the German soldiers left for China years before to stamp out the boxer rebellion and Wilhelm II said that the Germans would take no prisoners, offer no mercy,

and that they would be feared, just like people feared Attila the Hun and his army. And so the Brits and the Canadians, and the Americans eventually started calling the Germans the Huns. And so that was, that's what this book is about. So the subtitle of the book is containing many proverbs that point to the destruction of arrogance, tyranny, villainy, vice, and the monstrous militarism of which Germany has been guilty. And we made it through about half the Proverbs last time. So we're going to get the second half done.

Many lessons. Got a lot of good feedback about that last one. This is ancient wisdom. Yeah. From 1918. Is that ancient? Well, some of us prior to that. So here we go.

Let's get into it. Let's get back to the book, the Hun beating Proverbs. The first one. Out of the gate is a good one. If you leap into a well, Providence is not bound to fetch you out. Hey, you know the bed that you're lying in? Yeah.

You made it. No one's got to come get you out of that bed that you made. Yeah. You have to deal with it yourself. Yeah. The, uh, you know how there's different expressions for that, right? You like, you made your bed.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, I'm remembering this because I just heard it recently. Mm-hmm.

You chose the music. Oh. So you got to dance. Yeah. That's another good one. Yeah. So there you go. Notice that both,

all those different expressions put it on you. Yeah. This is our alternate versions of extreme ownership. Yes. Next one. If you lie upon roses when young, you'll lie upon thorns when old. Yeah.

So you spend a much time partying when you're young. You ain't going to have the time to party when you're old. Yeah. Now, some people, think that's good. Reverse retirement. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can see it, I guess.

Live it up when you're 20 and 22 and you're all healthy. Right. And, you know, basically when you can. Yeah. So, and, bro, all you got to do is kind of think about that for a little bit. Of course, with contingency. Like, you know, like other stuff that you can't just go 10 to zero. You know, maybe like an 80, 20 scenario.

So I'm saying? Because when you're old, you got to have some, you know, something to like sustain, maintain yourself but there's a lot of we'll call it logic to like hey you're capable of living it up when you're 20 30 even 40 for the most part you know i'm generally speaking yeah but if you spend all that time like doing chores the chores of life it's like right you're gonna miss out on some stuff that you simply cannot do when you're older it kind of makes sense Like you can't go I don't know

You know cliff jumping for example Yeah It's hard to do when you're 80 Yeah I'm not saying you can't do it Yeah low cliff Bro I don't know man There's like eight people in the world

Who's gonna cliff jump at 80 you know Yeah true It ain't me But yeah I dig it Yeah There is Something to be said for

You know You know how you feel When you're done With a workout Like a workout that you didn't want to do Like for instance today, I didn't feel like working out. And I had to do squats, which we know is a big step, right? And I didn't feel like doing it.

But I knew that when I was done, I was going to be like stoked that I did it. Yeah. Right? Because now I'm in the present. Yeah. And you kind of have to set yourself up for your future presence. Yeah. So if you're, if you're, and like you said, there's got to be a balance to it.

If you're just getting crazy and you're, and because that's another piece of it, right? if you're getting crazy when you're young, well, you didn't take care of your health. So now you're in bad shape when you're older. Right. If you take care yourself when you're young and you can still be in good shape and maybe you can do a low cliff dive when you're 80. Yeah. Yeah, you're right about that present thing. So that dawned upon me yesterday as well.

Well, that was today in your case, but where yeah, you have almost this kind of like gray area that kind of expands on like what you should be paying attention to. And of course you'd be paying attention to everything, right? learning from your past and then like planning for the future whatever i think that's a responsible way to do it for sure but even when you're preparing for your future present as you put it which is a good way to put it by the way you're still in the present so what past situation did you accommodate your present situation so squats for example if you were drinking the night before you kind of kind of screwed up your present self at the at that moment see i'm So you didn't drink.

So it's like one of those things where you constantly got to be cognizant of your future present. You see what I'm saying? But if you get too cognizant, you screw your present present. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's kind of like, oh yeah. It's almost like, yes, I'm glad that I did this, but I can't really be glad because I'm too busy worrying about my future present. I've definitely ventured into that zone in my life for sure.

Yeah. Where for instance, and one thing that I'm, you know, you know, I'm very paranoid about being late. Yes, sir. Right? So there's times in my life where I could have tried to do something, but there was a risk that I might be late for something else. Just a risk.

Maybe the risk was 10%, 10%. But I'm so paranoid about being late that I wouldn't do this other thing, whatever it might be. And there's times where that was like, oh, a work-related thing. Like, oh, I'm not going to involve with this thing because I got to do this and I don't want to, I don't want to be late for that thing.

So, you know, not going to do it. Hey, there's, oh, there's good waves. Oh, but I got to, I got to be at work at eight. There's a chance, there's a chance when you're surfing that you lose your board and you've got to find it and now you don't get to the beach when you thought you're going to get to the beach and now you're 10 minutes late for work.

So what do I do? Not surf. And that's, I've done that. in my life. I didn't do it a lot and I definitely figured out, hey, okay, that means planning wise instead of getting out of the water, planning to get out of the water at, you know, seven, I'll get out of the water at $6.50. So that gives me the 10 minutes. And I already had Fudge Factor built in because I was so paranoid about being late. But it is definitely something that I could have, there's times in my life where I didn't take advantage of a current thing because I was too

worried about the future. Yeah. And so that's that's cost me. Let me ask you this because I did catch that part. I listened to the last one of these you and Carrie. And you talked about the whole being late thing. And you guys kind of like chopped it up about like, you know, how it's like, I know you over said it to make a point. So how it's just like this massive disrespect to yourself into your life and all this stuff or whatever, which I felt it. I felt it. And actually just listening to you guys say it almost like, I guess, This is from a detached perspective, you know, where a lot of times when I'm involved, I'm thinking of my own philosophy, you know. And I compare it, but I'm kind of in the moment.

But I was listening to you guys and I was like, bro, he kind of has a point, bro. I mean, I know he's like exaggerating. Well, yeah. All right. There's a difference between having a point and being 100% correct. There's a difference there. So when I was listening, I was like, bro, he has more of a, I'm, the point is landing harder and better. than it has in the past.

We'll say that. Not to say it hasn't landed in the past, but it's better. Like, it kind of, like, affected me a little bit more. So it's like, maybe I could benefit if I really took this to heart, like, hey, this is really a character thing, you know, where me not caring about being late as much as I maybe should is a bad thing on my kind of character, you know, because there's more to life than like me freaking, I don't know, sleeping an extra eight minutes or whatever it is I'm doing, you know. I always looked at it like,

I'm not going to take, like, if I'm giving my time to someone else, I'm not going to give them more of my time if they're giving me whatever they're giving me in return for the time, you know? It's like, that's the deal we made. And, hey, maybe I'll give you more. Totally. You said eight o'clock. Yeah.

That's the contract. Hey, look. It's the deal. Maybe I'll get there at 7.15, give you an extra 10 minutes if I feel like it. But I shouldn't be shamed if I don't. You see what I'm saying? And hey, look, nobody's perfect. You know, so I might show up.

freaking 802 or whatever whatever that's my justification but if you make it a point i think that i think there's more benefits to that now where it's like that's who you are and then because you guys talk about being reliable being a reliable person so cool reliable person that sounds good but that doesn't hit you as hard as hey this guy's unreliable see what i'm saying i'm like that is a big difference that's a stark difference yeah so i think so but here's the question for you jock how much of this is you just like saying it to yourself like hey I'm I have this rule and it's based on these reasons but I have this rule and really that's what it's about like I'm just sticking dogmatically just to my rule because it's my rule you know I made this decision for myself

and I can't break it because whatever you know I think I think it's that there's some of that But there's also just the pragmatic knowledge of that. Of just like, oh, yeah, being on time. Like, I don't want to signify when I walk into a room. When I walk into a room, I don't want to signify to the nine people that are in the meeting or the 15 people that are in a meeting or the 20 people that are in the meeting. I don't want to signify to them. I am not reliable and I'm not a good planner.

And I don't really have my life squared away because I couldn't do the, the bare minimum task. The bare, and this is what we talked about with Bobby Holland too. With Bobby Holland, like the master chief told me, the first day I got to the SEAL team,

don't be late. He didn't give me all the other reasons. He didn't say, you know, it's important on time on target. He didn't say in a tactical situation when bombs are dropping, if you're off,

but he didn't say any of that stuff. He said, don't be late. Yeah. That's all he said. And what I realized is that is, is a core competency and it's a you know bobby and i talked a lot about reputation on that podcast as well like what is your reputation is your reputation you're reliable or your reputation that

you're unreliable and if you can't show up on time with the right gear well what is how am i supposed to count on you yeah so i think that landed yeah because i never really even thought about being on time when i was a kid when i was in high school when I wasn't like gotta get to practice on time or don't want to be late for this class. I didn't have one. I probably didn't have, I probably had an actual number zero of times that I was thinking to myself, I don't want to be late because I don't want to damage my reputation to appear to be an unreliable person. I might have been like, oh, I don't want to get a freaking tardy slip or whatever. Yeah. But I wasn't, I didn't put two and two together. So I think

it is a combination of, hey, look, just going to be on time. And then, And then, you know, in a way, your reputation is part of the jam. And I'll tell you another thing that I'm very lucky is my wife is an on-time person. Oh, she is. She's not a lagger. And I know some guys that are married to women that are not. And some men that are married, some men aren't going to be on time and their women is. And they get freaking.

Yeah. They get the hostilities in their different direction. Do you get that a little bit? Yes, they do. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Not all the time. Because your wife is more on the same.

squared away side like if we had to if we had a scale of being squared away and you are on one side and she was on the other she would she would win i would say generally speaking let's say there's a bro if i need something from the charles family yeah if i need a tax document or something i am 100% not talking to you that is a good decision yeah and yeah to talk to her about that will be 100% the correct move it's happening she's writing i don't know if she writes it down but i in my I see her writing it down like putting on her task list that is being executed currently that is correct yeah squared away so the so I guess the next question would be that's good of course but how much are you missing by being super dogmatic with because you mentioned the surfing thing right where you know that idea where you kind of look back and you'd be like man I wish I would have done more of that you know for all these different reasons that are lack a lot of times they're lasting

reasons too, you know. I have some of that. I have some of that, but the fact that matter is I wasn't so dogmatic that I didn't surf. You know what I mean? Like there's some days where I was like, oh, I'm not going to surf today. But there's many more days where I was like, oh, yeah, we're going to squeeze this in. We're going to make this happen. Yeah, yeah.

Like this is what we're doing. So we're paying you're paying attention. Yeah, yeah. So I wasn't, you know, you, you could meet like a career naval officer. and they retire from the Navy and they don't they didn't go surfing you know what I mean that's exemplifying

anything that was fun adventurous like outside the box they were they didn't do any of it and you can see it's not doesn't seem like it was a good call you know it seems like the better call would be to do cool stuff and go yeah you know that's another thing Bobby and I talked about

was just like always go out you know always go out and again you you go on a trip this the military life is like this like this like you go on a trip somewhere here's something i never i didn't do is we go to some city and there's some tourist attraction that's world renown i'm not going you know what i mean i'm probably lifting honestly i'm probably doing some kind of PT and guys like oh do you want to go see this such and such site and i'm like dude don't care yeah and now Part of this because I don't care. And I've never looked at a picture of a site and said, wow, I can't believe I was in wherever.

And I didn't go see the thing. Just to see it. Yeah. I've never felt that one time. I got to say I'm with you 100%. And I would rather go to Paris, France, or these exotic, you know, places that we might think of as exotic and be able to remember in my mind or say, tell to my kids or whatever that, like I worked out in a Paris gym, you know, more so than, oh, I looked at the Eiffel Tower with my eyes or whatever.

is like is different. Of course there's many, many exceptions. Like it depends on who you're going with. So like, I don't know. Yeah, a lot of times like on a work trip or I don't know,

you're going like something where they want to see this. And I'm like, wait, wait, but what do you do there? No, no, no, you just look at it.

Dude, I'll go to an American city and they'll be like, oh, you're going to spend any time. You know, you're going to, you know, they'll be taking me to the hotel.

They'll know what I'm doing. And they'll be like, are you going to get a chance to go to, you know, I'm just no I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to go to the hotel gym and I'm going to lift and then I'm going to talk and then I'm going to get right back on the plane and fly. Yeah.

And I'm not going to be, but part of that is because I've just traveled my whole life. So. Yeah. I can see that. I'm kind of a jaded traveler. So let me ask you this. You personally, I know my answer. Because I think, I feel like we're brought, we're on the same page with that, bro.

But what if, what if you got there and you ran into some other, like, like, like, let's say, retire, like maybe your age, maybe younger, maybe slightly, a military guy, let's say you went to Japan, right? And then there was a Japanese like military dude, strong, like squared away. It was like, hey, I know you, like your jaco, whatever. Hey, I work out, I'm gonna work out at this gym.

Only like fucking us, the big dogs go there, freaking come work out with us. Would that be more compelling? Well, we'd be going to that. Fuck, yeah, see, that's what I'm saying. Where it's like, yeah, you don't, you're not gonna stand in line. to get a picture of the pink flower, you know, or the freaking yellow bush or whatever.

But, bro, if you get an opportunity to really experience, like, the Japanese, in this case, the Japanese version of, like, what you really care about doing and interacting with or whatever, brother, that has massive value, I think. And it depends on who you're with, too. Like, if you're with your family and we're like, hey, we're going to go, I don't know, freaking to the Grand Canyon. And you get to see the kids be happy and you get to freaking, whatever, like, interact with them. Stuff like that, that gets a little bit different for sure.

But yeah, I'm with you, bro. Don't just go just so you can put your eyeballs on it and get served. It was nothing funnier than going to see the great pyramids in Egypt with my seal platoon when I was at Team 2 with Drago. And where they're like, hey, the tour guide or whatever, we pull it, we're pulling up to the great pyramids. And they're like, gents, how long do you think we need here? And I was totally serious.

I'm like 10 minutes. That's how much time I needed. And then Drago's like. Like, I just want to see the rock cat. That's what he said. I thought the sphinx, dude. The rock cat, well, the rock. The rock cat from Drago.

All right. So there we go. Next one. If you save a rogue from the gallows, he will rob you that same night. Yeah. Good one to remember. Like, oh, you want to help this person out. Doesn't, if they're a bad person, they don't care.

that they helped you out. They're gonna screw you over. If you swallow vice, twill rise badly in your stomach. Mm-hmm. Put that alcohol away. Mm-hmm. Put that donut away. It's gonna rise badly in your stomach.

But then, but, you know, obviously it's a metaphor as well, right? Like, what are you doing? If you're doing things that you shouldn't be doing, they're gonna rise badly. Yeah, just to, like, indulge. yourself in the moment kind of. Yeah, but but not even just yeah, just doing things that you know you shouldn't be doing like gambling isn't going to make you sick to your stomach, but boy, it's got to rise. That's what they're saying there. In gratitude is the daughter of pride.

Interesting one, right? Like people that can't say thank you because they think they deserve it. Oh, yeah. Like, of course I got this. You know, you should be thanking me. Uh, next one. It is ill to take an unlawful path, but worse to keep it. Boy, that is the truth right there. Yep. You, um, with Lee Bob, those, these are all cool sayings, right? We're talking about.

And I remember, like, so I learned these things. Kind of like adjusted and came up with, but they're, though, at the end of the day, this is what I tell my kids. so I say do the right thing do your best and treat others like you want to be treated but there's a little bit more to it

so it's do the right thing do your best oh sorry do the right thing even when you're done wrong okay do your best not try your best do your best and then treat others like you want to be treated

so it's it's kind of like this take that it's ill to take the unlawful path, but worse to keep it. So that's like do the right thing even when you're done wrong. Because essentially nobody's perfect, you know? Yeah.

But it's like, hey, if you're done wrong, you still got it. You still are on the hook to do right at that point. It might look different now, but you still got to do the right things. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the big one is with kids especially is like,

don't lie. Yeah. That's all complete. You're going to get in so much more trouble when you lie. And by the way, that carries through. I've talked about this before. there was a case where in Iraq, I want to say it was like 2004, these soldiers shot and killed a guy and they planted a gun on him.

And if you shoot an unarmed person, you have to report, you know, you report what happened. What did you see? What, why did you take that shot? And there's legitimate reasons to take that shot. The person was charged at me. Look like they might have had a weapon. Look like they were maneuvering towards friendly forces.

I thought he had a nest vest, like a suicide fact. Like there's a bunch of legitimate reasons. And if you state those reasons, hey, here's what I saw. I was in this position. I entered this building. The guy was standing there. He started to move towards me. I thought he had a cell phone.

He had a this. It's like there's legitimate reasons where you took a shot at a person that was unarmed. And when you report that up the chain of command, they say, okay, well, you know, what did you learn from it? How do we make sure we can train other people to make sure this doesn't happen again? What is the, you know, what's the reaction that the person had that the person had? that you know how can we train people that that one so there's a bunch of things that will come from you yeah but you're not going to prison yeah when you plant a gun on someone you're going to prison and that's exactly what happened in this case and I

the reason I remember this well is because this is when I was the Admiral's aide in 2004 to 2005 I would see these cases happening and we'd hear about him and so it was like oh yeah like you you you if you take an all unlawful path don't don't stay on it get off of it and that's the right thing to do so do the right thing even when you're done wrong and technically in those situations it's technically not even really wrong you know yeah the old the old what is it good move bad result or whatever good shoot good shoot bad result yeah yeah that's a yeah that that feels slightly you said something and i don't even know if you meant this as like this massive freaking groundbreaking point but it it really landed

on me maybe it was like at the time or something but nonetheless it's freaking stuck as like a thing going forward and you said where do you want to end up and then i was like i remember thinking bro that it's freaking applies to so much long term and short term by the way like so if if you're like i don't know you just have bad habits or you're you're doing something kind of wrong but it's not that wrong but it kind of maybe is kind of wrong you know like that kind of stuff um And then, but you really just ask you like consciously. Okay, like, cool. You're doing this.

You're gambling or you're whatever. And these are obvious things, but it applies to everything. But it's like, where do you want to end up with this course of action? Like, where do you want to end up? With all these courses of action. Yeah. With every decision that you're making. Yeah.

And good or bad, by the way. Yeah. So the end up is like the bad one is the real obvious one, the one that you're like, you're like, ah, yeah, like freaking basically. It's hard to really come up with like a good answer. I mean like a positive like result where you want to end up if you're doing something bad. So it's like even let's say you're drinking, right? Common thing.

Right. We're drinking or whatever and you know, maybe it's not ruining your life, but it's like kind of just getting kinded in the way. Usually that's that gray area that drinking continues usually. So if you really ask yourself, where do I want to end up with this thing? You could justify it and be like, well, I'm going to quit at some point. Okay, cool. There you go. Perfect.

Quit then because the more you don't quit, you haven't quit straight up and you still could ask you Where are you gonna end up and you're gonna end up somewhere bad? There's no good place to end up, you know? So it's like one of those things, when you really ask yourself that, it's like, oh, bro, it's fucking, it's kind of a good little, uh, little, uh, prescriptive scenario. Yeah. Yeah, there's a, there's a book called to what end written by word just about the

Vietnam and it's early in Vietnam, but it was, it's a great question to ask, like, to what end? So what are we, what are we trying to make happen? Yeah. Because that's what, in the, Vietnam War, no one in senior leadership was saying, to what end are we do? Like, what is the end game? When do we, when do we say, okay, yep, victory declared we can leave now.

We didn't have a plan like that. We had all this nebulous stuff. And so we do that in our life where we're just going down the path. But we do to what end are you doing this? Like you're going to, you're going to, okay, you're going to have some, some, uh, drinks tonight, some alcoholic beverage tonight? To what end? Mm.

Like same, same question, right? Yeah. Where do you want to end up? Like, oh, do you want to end up? healthy do you want to end up wealthy do you want to end up wise healthy and wealthy and wise remember those things well tell me in what world alcohol helps with any of those in any way shape or form the answer is doesn't so again we're paying you on alcohol but it applies to everything what do you know what to what end are you know what

to what end you're going out and you're buying a new freaking Cadillac right that you can't really afford well to what end you're trying to look cool well why are you trying to look cool and you can just you ask yourself that question enough times you're gonna realize it's gonna really improve your decision-making process if you try and figure out where you're ultimately trying to go so yes it hit me hard on the this idea of the slippery slope scenario um which what you said right there is even more that's even more like advanced like really i'm i'm uh planning or or should i say like um what do you call constructing my life you know so i can engineer success kind of a thing and it feels like yeah that's

like some some that's advanced tactics right there not necessarily advanced but those are some like higher level tactics just to avoid the pitfalls in life that are normal by the way if you ask yourself that like where do you or where are you going to end up that like in as it applies to like the slippery slope scenario because that's what gets us like the even just something like as seemingly benign as like not working out as much you know when you get family and kids so i don't work out as much all the way down to like I don't work out anymore that's a slippery slope you don't just have a kid to be like oh well I don't have to work out at all anymore ever you know that doesn't usually doesn't usually like okay I'm going to keep working out it's like I don't

have time a little bit tired today because of the kid you know and it slowly slowly happens but if you recognize it you know and ask yourself that like hey where am I going to end up that is something that I think about a lot is like right down to a repetition of exercise yeah of I feel like that repetition counts in the big picture. Yeah. It counts in the big picture. Actually, I heard something.

I was listening to something the other day, and a guy was talking about the number of reps you need to perform to advance in weightlifting. And it's like they have, you know, you watch thousands of weightlifters, you can recognize, okay, this is how many repetitions you need to perform of this exercise to make this amount of improvement. But I think the same thing that you're thinking. And I think like, well, I don't have to do this rep that I'm on right now, which I don't feel like doing. And if I don't feel like doing it, I can probably, like no one's literally no one's in the gym with me.

Yeah. But I feel like that rep counts, man. Yeah. That rep, that rep, that, that rep counts. Yep. So there's an additional thing that hit me hard. And it hit me actually in a positive way. But as you kind of like get impacted and I'm like all impressed with learning this new idea,

I thought you tend to think about it more. And then I'm like, oh, wait, this can happen in the negative as well. Where it sets this precedent, you know, where it had happened because I didn't get much sleep. And I was like, I was always under the impression. Hey, if I didn't get enough sleep, hey, today I'm skipping the workout. And I'm going to be sure I get enough. And then I'm going to work out hard. It's hard.

The next could get back on the horse. And I'm like, no, no, power through it or whatever. Let me just see what I can get. Whatever. It's not that big a deal, whatever. And then I went and I had a good workout. And I powered through it. And I was fine.

I was like, wait a second. We can do this. Like bro, we can still get a good lift on three hours sleep. Damn, I literally didn't know that. And now I do. I've been telling you that for 10 years.

Maybe even 15, man. Some journeys are best, you know. But that's in a positive way. That's a positive precedent that I just set for myself, a new one, but can be negative too.

So you skip that rap or that set. Oh, yeah. That becomes a pattern. Yeah. And then the next sign, it's kind of like what because you know if you're if you have a freaking 100% record of never skipping reps or sets right because something a party is kind of like well that's not what we do like if I do then what like I sock in my workout's not as good and there's all

these things right but when you do it and there's kind of no consequences you know seemingly so the next time you get that kind of compulsion to be like I'm kind of tired or I got to go or like I could be doing something else more fun interesting whatever you're gonna do it again because that precedent always been already been set I'm saying you got to Watch out for that. Rome wasn't built in the day. It also didn't collapse in the day. It collapsed a little bit at a time.

All right. Next one. Kindle not, the fire that you cannot extinguish. That's a good one, man. That's a good one. When you start getting engaged in things,

and I think of drama. When I think of this, when you start getting engaged in drama, something you're not going to be able to get out of it. Like the little thing that you want to bring up to someone. And now all of a sudden, what did you start? What kind of fire did you start?

might not be good. So that's always important to think about. Kindle not the fire you cannot extinguish. Next one. Naves imagine nothing can be done without knavery. Right? So that's the person that's always suspicious because they're freaking acting out of line.

Wait, so what it, I mean, this is, I feel like you know these words and I don't. Okay. But I feel like I've heard you say that you. Yeah, yeah. What's a knave? It's just like a scoundrel, like a person that's plotting behind the scenes, you know, that's like a knave.

Okay, so naves imagine nothing can be done without name. Oh, okay, okay, got you. Yeah, like a scoundrel doesn't think anything can be done without being a scoundrel. Right, right. So because they steal stuff, when you have something, they're like, where'd you get that from? Got you stole it. Yeah, I mean, it feels like the obvious answers, yes. You think that the, you know, people, it's real common to hear people say, oh, yeah, like,

massively successful people, they'll look at them, right? A person will look at a massive, successful person be like well how many people did you screw over to get to that position you know kind of kind of that vice yeah that's the person that's will screw people over to get ahead yeah the nave uh next one leave not the sword in the hand of an idiot okay you know what we so of course not but how often like you got a project you got something going on and you put someone in a position when they shouldn't be in that position and they're an idiot they're not going to do smart things yeah people that are idiots don't become smart miraculously overnight

People that do people have a pattern of doing dumb things are going to continue to do dumb things So one must use caution you're dealing with idiots You ever think about that idea of The saying is something along the lines of don't attribute Malice I think it is malice to incompetence Yeah, yeah yeah so that's kind of the same vibe as well right where it's like you give an idiot a sword he's going to kind of start cutting some people. And it looks like this motherfucker is just kind of cutting people.

But it's like he just doesn't know how to use it, you know? He's just, yeah, dropping it and sleeping with it. Incidentally cutting people, no kind of a thing. And then people think that he's ruining things on purpose. But it's like, well, no, he just doesn't know how to not ruin things. Because he's an idiot. As a case maybe. Next one's a classic we should remember.

Little things affect little minds. And this is when we get all wrapped up about so letting something bother us. It's like, well, this doesn't bother me. It's not gonna let that bother me. Shouldn't bother you. So don't let little things affect little minds. Be a big, be a big minded person.

And then little things don't really bother you. Pretty good advice. I guess the thing to think about though is, you know, the little, is doing the little things, right? You know, it's like being late. Being late could be considered a little thing by some people, right? And I hate to be harping

on this but there's many examples like that make sure you do the little things right you shouldn't it's not that you shouldn't be concerned with little things but little things out in the world little little uh slings and arrows that hits you yeah don't worry about them too much they're not gonna stick sticks and stones yeah they're not they don't let them don't don't get in your head back to the bean lane thing mm-hmm just just to just to say this even though i hassle you about being late. You know, it's a running joke,

let's say. But you actually have probably only actually been late. How many times do you think? I don't know. Five times in 10 years. All with a heads up too,

but that's not a bad record. So, and these are usually by like two minutes and I'm still hassling you. So even though I harassed you a lot of, now listen, if we wanted to talk about jiu-jitsu, which is where you got the reputation

for being laid is a whole different thing. It's a whole different thing. That's where, that's why I originally would hassle you about being late because we would, you know, some people skip the warmups. Yes. Bro, you would not only skip the warmups.

You'd skip a lot of stuff. And then you roll in, bro. I'm on round, I'm on round four of the open mat time. Which is now 20 minutes deep, but the class started an hour ago, now you're rolling into a train. So you think I'm going to hassle you about being late?

You're damn right. So that's where your true reputation of being late. But as far as your work, ethic you've only been late five times in 10 years which is pretty good record so yes I harass you about it but yeah here we go so well with that thank you for that and and if I didn't if I if I wasn't at this current state in regards to my opinion of being late that would have you would have took a step backwards for for my progress by just basically saying hey no no you're not that bad essentially it's what you said

you're not that bad right I don't have been like oh sweet and But I'm, okay, so this is how I would think of it. Actually, I close a lot. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm thread in that needle 100% you're right. And it's because of the philosophy, which I said many, many times. So, and to not to put too fine a point on it,

but I actually, in the spirit of accuracy, I actually developed the reputation being late at work. One I used to work at the club. I'd be one minute, two minutes late. Oh, frick, yeah, all the time. I used to get kind of scolded, and talk to by it, but I knew that it didn't matter. Like me coming in four minutes late, let's say,

like literally doesn't affect nothing. Doesn't make the club less money. Just because the guy before me is, like, annoyed that he can't leave four minutes. Like, to me, that didn't move me either way. I didn't mean to do it, you know, kind of thing. So anyway, whatever. Screw that guy.

Yeah, yeah, fuck that guy. Put it this way. I would never be mad at that. I think that's a weak thing to get mad at. It's like a little thing. Yeah, it's a small thing. Exactly right. Look, if there's a bigger picture, okay.

But I failed to identify any bigger picture. Here's the bigger picture. So I always have looked at it like, hey, is it always that big a deal? Is it? Literally in real life. Because you're in the military, which that's different. That trains you way different. Yeah, being late in real life doesn't matter many times.

Yeah, exactly right. Like if we're going to dinner and we're going to meet at 7 o'clock with our wives and I get there at 658 and you show up at 702 we still have a reservation we're still going to go eat no one's going to say anything much well you might because you're in the military

so okay yeah perfect you uh jaco invites me over for the UFC hey main cart starts at seven and that's when kind of like people are going to be there at seven I come in at 7 15 three minutes into the freaking first fight after all the intros and shit

who cares Really who cares? So there's a lot of circumstances where like being late is not that big a deal, but here's the thing Here's what I failed to really like understand and embrace being on time is never zero percent A big deal as far as being negative being on time is always good There are very few circumstances planning wise anyway that being on time is a bad thing because you're on time But and so I I'm going to go back to one.

This is just a fun little exercise where I would justify being, uh, being okay with being late. You know, like someone says, oh yeah, we're having a party at my house, right?

I'm just a little thing. We'll, uh, you know, whatever. Uh, it's going to start at two in the day. And I'm like,

no, I'm ahead of time, dude, you know, roll up at 1.45, right? 15 minutes, not crazy.

I'm going to come in at 1.45. Meanwhile, you get there and they're not ready to receive guests yet. someone's still cleaning up, you know, they're wiping the counter, they're putting away the trash that they, you know, they're setting up or whatever. You put more stress on that person if you didn't come on time or fashionably late. See what I'm saying? So I used to justify myself like that too a lot of the time, you know, where I'm like, well, no, like maybe, maybe being late kind of can be good sometimes, you see what I'm saying? And then just

incorporated as the philosophy in general, see what I'm saying? Bad philosophy. Bad thing. Being on time is never a bad thing. That's it. At the end of the day, no matter how you slice it being on time, it's not a bad thing. Jack. Next one, little strokes fell great oaks. Those little things take you down, little tiny things, death of a thousand cuts, they say.

Man punishes the action, but God, the intention. Intention is very important in things. Very important in things. Like, why did you actually do this? What was the reason for you doing this? Malice is poised. poisoned by its own venom. True statement.

There's a lot of faith in these, in these proverbs that kind of like you're gonna get what's coming to you. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know? And quite frankly, I agree with that. And I don't agree with it from like a carmic type,

you know, unseen hand. But like, you screw people over. It's gonna come back to you. You treat people badly? it's going to come back with you. You do things that you shouldn't be doing, it's going to come back to you. Like, that's the reality.

It's like that's the mechanics of how the world works. And yeah, man, and that is true, especially like, because the world is full of people, you know? Yes. So, like, you can even know that this is against the rules. The world is still going to behave that way.

Like, for example, you know how, I feel like dads embrace this more than moms, but, you know, like, okay, A kid hits your kid. A lot of the time the dad's going to be like, Brian hit him back. Here's why it's, we're compelled to feel that.

Even if we don't say it, we'll feel that, you know, because that's how the world works. If you go around stepping on people's feet, it's like immediately, if not just a matter of time before someone starts stepping on your feet as well.

So you're saying like, that's literally how they're in it. And it applies to everything. So it's like, yeah, when you say you're going to get what's coming to you, yeah, 100% because that's literally how the world works. Yes, that's the way it works.

Yeah. Uh, many talk like philosophers and live like fools. It's a good one. The, this is a unfortunate reality is, it's some, many of the things that we're talking about even right now are easier said than done. Yes, sir.

And people like to say them, but they don't do them. Uh, much better never catch a goose than let him go again. Much never, much better to never catch a goose than to let him go again. And I kind of, I when I read that one, I was kind of curious because

I didn't as a modern human, I didn't quite fully understand the value of a goose. Right? You'd think it'd be, it'd be, you'd say something like, it's better to never have gold

than to have to give it away. But they say goose. And as I dug down on it, geese are very valuable for a multitude of reasons. They make eggs. They have meat. They have down.

Like, uh, they have fat, which is good for. preserving things and believe it or not they're guards like they'll guard your property and make noise if someone's coming up and get in their face so I know you're rolling your eyes no I'm not wearing my eyes I'm actually laughing because I know that firsthand no I know 100% our neighbor had a goose oh there you go this thing

was freaking hostile it was a hostile goose it's great check and what they're saying here is this is kind of like I guess if we're if I was trying to translate it's better to never have gone in business class on a plane than have Did you go there for a while and then have to go back Wait, say that again, it's better Than not have gone to business class on a plane Yep Like once you once someone's been in business class

Now you gotta get stuffed back in economy People are like, oh my God, this is terrible Bro, until you know about business class You're like whatever This is the way it is we're back there in the in the cheap seats My legs are a little cramped up There's no power outlet Somebody's elbowing you the whole time

Yeah, that's just way the way travelers The way it is So that's kind of a similar thing. Yeah, yeah. They're saying here, you know, it's better just to like, but do I agree with that? I don't think I agree with it because I think you should be, all right, well, I had the goose. I liked it. I'm going to get it back.

Yeah. So I think it's, I think it's all right. But I can understand how I can, I can definitely see that it is much harder to have to give up wealth than it is to not have ever had wealth. Yeah. Right. If you're someone that, you know, if you had your own room in your apartment and you're stoked. Yeah. Hell yeah.

Then you have to get a roommate. Yeah. It's a bummer. But if you always had a roommate, you don't think anything of it. Just like, hey, of course, you've got a roommate. It helps with the rent. All good. Oh, we got to, you know, argue or share the one bathroom.

Yeah, no big deal. You're just used to it. Right. So. Yeah. That's really the whole story, right, is getting used to it. essentially like that's the new standard or whatever um and you said this early on with with it like with dealing with people it's it's easier to give them slack or then take it away or what it is like with

it's easier it's easier to give people slack than it is to take it back yeah so if i go hey echo show up whenever you want and you're like cool and that's how we roll for a while and then all of a sudden one day i'm like hey you got to be here at seven yeah you don't feel comfortable with that at all but if i'm like hey okay you start work tomorrow hey be here at seven you're like okay that's what we're doing. And then after six months, I go, hey, you know what? Whenever you, whenever you, whenever you can come in on Fridays, just show up just as long as you get your work done. You're kind of stoked.

You're happy. Yeah. Yeah. So, yes. So much easier to give Slack. Yeah. Yeah. And that just as an individual concept.

Yeah. That, that, uh, that feels right. 100%. Uh, next one. And that's why when you hear like, Leif talk about meeting me, him and stoner and I'm like not talking to him or not smiling. Not joking around. It's like, dude, I need to get to know you.

Hey, there's a chance when I meet my two platoon commanders, there's a chance one or two of them are getting fired. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know these guys. I don't know what their background is. I mean, I know that they both are relatively new in the teams. They both have one deployment under their belt. They've done an assistant platoon commander.

And now they're showing up to be a platoon commander. You might be getting fired. I don't know that. Hey, chances are only 10% that you're getting fired. but I don't want to bro out with you and then be firing you right yeah so like I'm gonna be measured and I'm gonna give slack over time

I'm not just gonna welcome you aboard with a bunch of freaking slack yeah but you did bring up a good point because under certain types of situations it's actually better because the standard gets raised in a way so if you can kind of like remember that as like what do you call the anchor of the standard now you have like kind of something

in a psychological way pulling you back towards the standard actually in working out it's if you apply that concept where it's like muscle memory right so if you have if your body gets to a point where you can I don't know as far as weightlifting or whatever if you can like squat 400 and then you know you get injured or something like this and you have to and yeah that sucks when you got to get back after rehab and get on you can only do like 185 or whatever that sucks but your body knows but it's better to for your body to be familiar with that 400 and you get there quicker so I'm saying so under those types of circumstance even though that pain I think that's what they're talking about here

that pain of like shoot if I never could squat 400 if I always could score 185 and then I get after rehab I can still do 185 hell yeah I'm good to go you know so you know so you know you are uh you don't have to experience that pain but the bigger picture it kind of can like establish like a standard that you can easily like kind of navigate to you bring you back yeah uh next one of all vices pride calls the loudest this is why we say humility is the most important quality for a leader for a person. It's just the worst advice you can have is that e-errogance. Once a wolf, always a wolf, once a knave, always a knave.

People don't really change too much. Be careful. One danger is seldom overcome without another. Something to keep in mind. Tradeoffs, as Thomas Sowell says, right? Like there's no there's no just winning completely. There's just no there's just tradeoffs. So the danger thing. Mm-hmm.

Is, uh, so sometimes we'll get into our actually not recently. This is probably, it's been decades probably, but they get into these little back and forth with my way about the kids and like, uh, so it's like, okay, I remember when my daughter was young. Mm-hmm. she'd walk we have this pool and there's you know that wall that you can jump off into the pool it's like it's not super high but you know maybe six six feet maybe kind of and she would go up there and she didn't know how to swim yet she's like one one and a half maybe and she'd like want to walk up there she'd see us that she'd want to walk and my wife would flip out of course seemingly of course but i would be like part of me is like kind of like kind of letter because now she's

going to be very familiar with being up there. Look, she falls in, I'm going to jump in on a saver. It's no problem. My eyes are on, you know. But she's familiar with being up there. Now she's comfortable. Her balance is starting to develop more, you know, like all this stuff or whatever. Her developing her balance, developing familiarity with being up on that wall,

keeps her safe. Like her capability that she gains keeps her safer, right? But the tradeoff is, hey, if she's never up there in danger, she's safe. See what I'm saying? So there's that safety tradeoff kind of. of a scenario if she falls off the wall she falls into the water in the water yeah okay this might be the not the best example for you to choose okay because the reason I say that is because if she if for whatever reason you guys aren't around

oh and she ventures up there she knows to venture up the wall or she she's feel safe up there and she falls in the water now you know now we got a now you got a terrible situation yes so that might not be the best example yeah maybe and I could have we could add a bunch of these external scenarios and exceptions to in particular example for sure but generally that's a pretty clear one okay concept I don't think I'm getting crazy on no no I don't think so either let's let's say okay let's say Jiu Jitsu because that was another one or it's like the more you go to Jiu Jitsu the more dangerous it becomes as far as

like probability of injury and like all this stuff just because of the reps yeah more days you're exposed to this or whatever just like anything anything right but the more Jiu Jitsu you know kind of the safer you are outside of Jiu Jitsu so it's like this weird trade-off yep In that way. The other thing that's weird about kids is, man, your kids can get hurt doing anything. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, walking to school, getting in a car with someone, like, there's just, things can happen. And if you bubble wrap them, they're not going to, they're not going to be safe in a bunch of other scenarios. Right. Yeah, same do. One ill weed marrs a whole pot of porridge. Okay. And they all there's a couple here in a row one lie makes many. So those two are in the same thing.

But then they had one that says one mad action is not enough to prove a mad man. So these are kind of contradictory. And I have to say, I'm not sure I 100% agree with any of them. You know, obviously the one, if someone's a liar, if someone lies, chances are they're going to lie. So I think that one we can carve out and be like, yep, one lie, you're suspect. I think that one, you know, if someone does something that's a little bit crazy, there's a lot of things that can cause that. Like, you know, person makes a bad decision, makes a rash decision.

Okay, we're a little bit suspect, but we're not, I don't have to, it's not the same as a lie to me. If you lost your temper, it's not the same as you lying. You loosing your temper is your intention wasn't to lose your temper. You just lost your temper. I'm like, all right, I understand. Okay. Echo's got a bad temper. When you lie, that seems to be a little bit different.

So yes, I think you're right given what I what you're saying. Now, that being said, if you're a person that lost your temper and now you're a guy that loses your temper, probably pretty accurate. It felt like, and it could be wrong, obviously. It felt like they were saying the lie part of it and even the other one. Um, the lie part of it is like, I'm saying in a line of like statements will say. Let's say I'm interrogating you. You know, in that interrogating. aggregation process, then one lie makes a bunch of lies. Subsequently, you see what I'm saying? So if I'm like, hey, Jocko, hey, were you at the, in the parking lot behind the store?

At this time, you say no. And I keep questioning you, bro, everything else is probably going to be a lie because it's based on that no. But I'm like, oh, wait, so wait, this isn't you then? You got to say no. I'm like, okay, then what were you doing? No, there's another. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, you can't tell like that one lie.

was kind of like in a line of like questioning or whatever it's just all lies now yeah just like uh um like crimes right like uh let's say i'm i'm doing i'm driving drunk or or let's say i robbed a bank right robbed a bank i'm in my getaway car man we went from driving drunk to robbing the bank right well i seen this on like cops or back in the day a guy was fleeing the scene of the scene of the crime that he committed. Maybe it's a bank robbery, whatever. We'll say it's a bank robbery. He's fleeing the scene.

Now everything he does is a crime. Everything. It's all his fault. So if someone like rear ends him, let's say he stopped at a cop, like someone re-ends him or whatever, you have a little traffic jam. He shouldn't have commit that crime. So that's a crime as well. It's always going to be his fault. See what I'm saying?

So now he has all these additional crimes that he's committed that wouldn't be crimes if he didn't rob that bank. See what I'm saying? So it's kind of like almost like that format. Yeah. And this leads kind of into the next one, which is passion is the enemy of truth. Yeah, I think, I think what passion does is it warps, it warps what you see as the truth. You see this a lot of when, especially in the, in the, for lack of a better way of saying it, like the political world where people are having political discussions or arguments or debates.

Yeah. And I'm so passionate about something that I can't even, I can't even recognize the truth anymore. That definitely happens. Do you feel like in regards like this way of saying it? Do you feel like passion and conviction or like the same thing? Yeah, they're closely related. Yeah, I always felt like people who are so like convicted, which is I guess there's passion in there.

But I feel like that was like the deal. Like the bad deal. No, no, no, the bad deal. Whereas like the more convict, you know, like how you always say like, you know the thing you always say where you're like, how many times do you think I have to admit when I'm wrong, right? You know that? Yeah.

Spiel. It's the opposite of that, essentially, right? So when you're convicted, you're like, what do you go, bunkered in or, you know, totally bunkered in your position. Yeah. It's, it can be so, it's such a good. Somebody made a clip of me saying this the other day where I said when someone insults you. Yeah.

Just, you know, agree with them. And it's not like just agree with them like, uh, arbitrarily, but actually say, yeah, you know, that's a good point. Yeah. You know, that's a good point. You're making a good point there. I agree. Yeah.

You got to have. And because there's some level of, of, and the more it stings you, the more it's probably right. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you're already good. I mean, whether you worked on this or not, it's just talent. I don't know. But you're better at kind of recognizing this.

Because like, if you were to be like, I am like kind of emotionless for a little bit and someone says, hey, you're, I don't know, whatever. Your haircut is this or you're short or you're fat or whatever. They give you like some insult or whatever. If you're emotionless, you can be like, analyze it like a computer. We'd be like, wait a sec, wait, I kind of am. I didn't think I was fat, but maybe compared to this person I'm fat. So, yeah, it checks out. You see what you're saying?

So you're kind of like, you can do that. Most people, the emotion and the passion is kind of mixed in there so it gets in the way. But to your point, you just said something like, you practice it. It's like, yeah, dude, that stuff used to bother me. Like some little insult, be like, dude, what the hell? Like, I'd like to see you do it. Like that whole thing. Yeah.

Instead of being like, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, it's actually, yeah. I guess I guess I'm not. expert in that area. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. Like, oh, you know,

Jocko thinks he's a military expert. Just because he was in the, just because he, uh, led only, you know, 50 seals. That's a good point. Yeah,

I'd never led a battalion. That's good point. There's, there's definitely some aspects that I don't understand. Yeah. Boom. Easy money. Easy money.

Like, that's way better than, yeah, well, you know what? And it's like, no. Well, that's a good point, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

Well, we're done. Don't see very much of that type of activity. Yeah. Isn't that so crazy how, yeah, this is it, right? Passion is that it's so obvious. And, you know, like how you say in this outfit being detached. It's like you can see things there and all this stuff.

But isn't it so interesting how it's like it's so obviously the correct answer. Yeah. Like there's almost, it's very hard to imagine where it's not the correct answer. in any given circumstance, right? Where it's like, so obvious. Right. Be humble, like, and the outcome of being humble versus not being, like, you know, it's like, it's so obvious, but it's like so hard.

Mm-hmm. Next one. Peace begins where ambition ends. Eh. I can't argue with that, really, honestly. I would say the things that, you know, when you're trying to get to the next level, you're trying to make things happen. And it's like, yep, there's going to be, there's not much peace in your life.

Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes. Ain't that the truth? Punishment comes slowly, but it comes. That's another, you know, again, they're very, this, this, this, this, these proverbs rely on that, that outcome moving, inevitably towards. were you the one that said choose your hard was that your quote no there's someone that someone else is okay so the choose you're hard and this is this applies to everyday life

so and then so it's like let's say health for example choose your hard so the workout's hard like or it can be hard let's just say for lack of it's hard right workouts hard abstaining from junk food when the junk food is delicious and in front of you is hard Yeah. That takes effort. It's hard, right?

Now, the result of that is freaking easy. Bless, you know, all this stuff. Being healthy is easy. Strong. Yeah. I'm not saying the act of like getting healthy like that part. I'm saying being, existing as a healthy person is easy. Well, in fact, what you just said, the act of being healthy is hard.

Yes. But it beats the alternative hard, right? Right. It's being unhealthy, which is very hard. Right. So that's what I mean by choose your hard. So it's like the, The act of maintaining your health and blah, blah, that part exercise,

all what it takes to be healthy is hard. But the state of healthiness, existing as a healthy person, just existing healthy, healthily, whatever, is easy. It's one of the easiest things probably ever. No pain, freaking brain is all clear. No inflammation in your throat from being, you know, strap throat or whatever you got. But then you flip it around, right?

Where it's like, yeah, being the state. of being unhealthy is hard, but you don't got to go through those hard workouts. You don't have to abstain from these delicious food. Like that part is easy. That's the easy part. So it's like, right, you got to choose your hard. Is what I'm saying?

Yeah. One is voluntary. The other one is involuntary, by the way. You know, which I think is very important. Yeah. Yeah. Rashedness is not valor. Okay.

Rashness brings misfortune to many yep rash decisions just take just take a beat reason deceives us often conscious conscience never yeah we can reason anything at least some people can you know i can explain to you i've i've worked with people who one of their biggest faults was how good they were at convincing people Like I can come into this room and convince you of something that's wrong. Yeah. And I'm so persuasive in my language and my voice and my words that even though I'm wrong, you think I'm right.

And we all go and execute my plan, which is stupid. Or people who can do it to themselves. Oh, yeah, for sure. Basically rationality. Yeah. Yeah. They already did that walking in the room. Like they were already, they already, they convinced themselves off.

Selfishness is the greatest curse of the human race. Yeah, and I think not, if you think, if you break that down a little bit, if you're doing stuff for yourself, it doesn't work out well. But it'll be okay for a little while, but eventually if you're doing stuff for yourself, it's not going to be a good long-term plan. Shallow men believe in luck. Shallow brooks are noisy. I like that one.

Oh, right, right. They kind of play off each other. Yeah. Well, what you're saying? Yeah. No, they don't think they play off each other. Shallow men believe in luck. It's like, oh, you just got lucky.

No. Actually, it took a lot of hard work. It took planning and it took premeditation of what I'm going to go and execute. Like that, that was not luck. Shallow men go, you're just lucky. So that's one. Shallow brooks are noisy. Just meaning like the person that doesn't have much depth.

Right. Talking on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Terminology. Yeah. Oh, right. Bringing that from the front lines. to the youth right now. You yapping. Suspicion always haunts the guilty

mind. And not a good one. Yeah. Isn't that a good one? There's a, um, do know, if you heard of Chase Hughes? No. You, I guaranteed you. You, I guaranteed you. But, um, so he's like, uh, terribly, uh, sorry to forget his, like, job, his thing. But he's like, uh, you know, like these,

interrogator type person, people know like about psychology and what people say and body language like the whole deal, right? Okay. So he said something where it's like, which applies to this, where it's like, what is it the guilty?

Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. Yeah, so when you interrogate somebody and they're guilty or innocent, this will kind of show itself and he'll say it's like a tactic. So he says, you don't ask them, did they do it or did they, did they do it? Okay, Jocko, were you in the parking lot,

you know, at this time? because there was a crime, a murder, whatever. You don't say, hey, were you in the parking lot? You say this.

Is there any reason that three people might have said that you were in that parking lot at that time? Is there any reason three people would say that? And if you're guilty, you'd be like,

but, blah, blu, but you'd behave way differently than if you were in this, if you really weren't in the parking lot, I'd be like, no, I don't know, freaking, I don't know,

that's dumb. You know, like you'd behave way different. But if you're guilty, they didn't even, they didn't say, were you there or not. They just plant,

this seed of this. Suspicion. Yeah, suspicion because of like your mind has to kind of like venture off into that, you know,

into that no man's land. Nice. Yeah. The assistance of fools only brings injury. The bow that is always bent slackens or breaks. It's a good one.

Can't be ready all the time. Sometimes you've got to have that rest day as Echo Charles likes to focus on quite a bit. Recovery. part of the gig for sure the bully is always a coward and then right following that one the coward reckons himself cautious just being just trying to try to keep it you know trying to be cautious bro we're we're doing this well actually we you know no coward the devil can cite

scripture for his own purpose oh one did you boy that's an accurate one the devil incite scripture for his own purpose. The fool that eats until he is sick must fast until he is well. Chuck. Where we talk about that idea? I think it might have been with Lee Pop. I think it might be like Harry. That like this idea where like ruining.

No, this was an underground. Sorry. The wicked, do wicked people have redemption or whatever, right? I spent my life being basically a, you know, a bad person. Right. But now I'm literally a good person, right? But everyone seems to think I'm still this bad person like what's the bar. You got to kind of do the same thing.

You seem to yeah, you need to if you spent 25 years being a bad person, right, you've got at least 25 years to build that reputation in the other direction. So it's kind of the same thing. It is the same thing. We called that one on the underground podcast. You know, one all crap. Right. Eliminates 100 attaboys.

Yeah, yeah. So that means when you have done a hundred attaboy's, you got to do 10,000 or sorry, when you've done a hundred. Oh, shucks. Aw shucks. You got to do 10,000 out of boys to do yourself out of all. That's the way it is. The gains of the wicked bring short-lived pleasures.

Yep. This is the one that I, when we started these podcasts when I started with Kerry, I was like, there's one of these things in here that I go, wow, okay. This one is the jerk. the German may be a good fellow, but it is better to hang him. Bro. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

So that's when you realize that we're trying to, they're trying to dehumanize the enemy. Yeah. Might be a good fellow, but it's better to hang him. Yeah. If you saw, I mean, I put it this way. I understand why they chose this at this time for this particular, you know, document. But if you replace the German. with the enemy, it starts to make a little bit more appropriate sense.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That one kind of threw me a little bit. I was like, okay. Yep. Well, these guys are going to war. The Lord shall destroy the house of the proud.

The fool is busy in everyone else's business but his own. Oh, yeah. The greatest barkers are always the least doers. quit run in your mouth um the loquacity which is talking a great deal is a lecture to the wise so if you're talking a bunch it's like maybe be quiet the prince that is feared by many must of necessity fear many yep how did you climb into the top you climbed to the top stepping on a bunch of people's backs and you better watch your back yeah if you climb to the top top through hard work and good partnerships.

You'd be all right. You don't have to look over your shoulders so much. You have to check your sick so often. The prince that is feared by many must of necessity fear many. The wise man knows he knows nothing. The fool thinks he knows it all. They hurt themselves that wrong others. Cool.

Yeah. Hurting other people. Think you can get away with it. Can't. It's coming back. punishment might be slow but it's coming. Thou art as to like, thou art as to like to obtain thy wish

as the wolf to eat the moon. Can't just wish for things. Can't just wish for things. You've got to go out and make them happen. You're not going to obtain your wish. You've got to go do something. Tis a sign of an ill cause to rail at your adversary.

What is rail? It's like being hostile towards attacking verbally type thing. Oh, gotcha. Ranting against them. Oh, right, right, right. I guess would be, I didn't look up the definition of rail

but that's my, that's what I'll give it. Yeah, that's the dude. Because the sign of an ill cause to rail at your after. I think that's when, you know, when Echo says, hey, I think we should

invest money in this marketing campaign. And I say, Dude, you're stupid. You see what I'm saying? It's like an ad hominem attack. Oh, yeah. If I'm attacking you. To pay one in his own coin.

I think that's like giving someone a taste of their own medicine. Gotcha. That's like when someone, you know, like when a footlocker gets footlocked. Yeah. You know, they're getting paid in their own coin. That sucks. The Dean Lester always tries to give me to Camura. It's like his goal.

Just freaking, you know. Embracing this. Yeah, he wants to pay me in my own going. The mean man shall be brought down and the mighty shall be humbled. Fair enough. The selfish man cuts away the sand from under his own feet. Again, that's the important one to remember because when we're being selfish, we think we're doing things ourselves, but we're actually removing the sand from our own feet. You know, when I take a little from you and I take a little bit from her and I take a little bit from him, I feel like I'm taking it from you, but ultimately it's going to be my downfall.

The truth is always the strongest argument. Mm-hmm. Doesn't that work well? The truth, man, just stands on its own. The triumphing of the wicked is short. This one you got to pay attention to. And this is another thing when you can. I talked about this with Jordan Peterson.

yesterday and I was I was saying that listen the tyrannical people can get promoted you know you can rise up through your company when you're backstabbing people it it can happen but to the point here it's it's short like it will run out one of the things he pointed out was these big giant companies they have a life cycle and it's like 30 years like a big giant corporation the life cycle average of a big giant corporation is 30 years because what happens they start focusing just on profit 100% and screwing over people and not taking care of their workers and not taking care of the environment they start making mistakes right and when you do that look you you you win you win you win you win for 10 years 15

years but eventually people go oh i see what you're doing yeah so the the the the triumphing is the way of the wicked it happens you know look in the military it definitely happens And one of the reasons it happens in the military is because people have their job in leadership position for two years. And then you can hang on for those two years. And then you're, boom, you're off. You get the good evaluation because the guys were working hard despite your bad leadership. They were still getting the job done. And so you still look good.

And towards the end, they were ready to mutiny you, but they knew that all they had to do is hold on for three more months and you'll be gone and we'll be on to the next guy. So they don't care. They let you go. It's easier for them just to go, all right, we're going to wait until Echo leaves this command and we'll be fine. Yeah. And so you go, you get a good evaluation, you get promoted. So it happens. But it, but when you'll, you'll continue.

And eventually it's going to catch you. That company corporations thing is a good example. So think of it. What? I will think of it from time to time as like, let's say I'm a company I offer, I don't know, law services. And then I'm like, oh, wait, freaking, I can start just increasing the price, increase in the price. Right. It's like where I got people kind of at their weakest point or whatever. Law service, that's not a good example.

But, you know, so where I'm the only act in town so I can just take advantage, right? It's start freaking gouging people, price, you know, doing all this stuff or whatever. Not customer service sucks or whatever. It doesn't matter because I'm the only guy in town. And people are just going to suck it up. I don't know, 10, 20, 30 years, whatever. But in the meantime, everyone's looking, just praying, just hunger for this like a better solution. And actually, and I don't even care how much better, just better, because this is just like this is, we're hurting here, right?

And it's the only choice we got. So what that does is it opens up just massive, massive opportunity for these little ones or another big one or whatever. All they got to do is improve it just by this much because this guy is so, or this is so selfish. It's so bad. It's so wicked as it were. And then so, yeah. So you get one, like, remember Geico? Yeah.

Remember when they first came out? Yeah. So they were like, oh, yeah, this is like, it's cheaper. And what was the there was like a slogan 15 minutes or less or something like this where it's basically They just took like one or two of the main problems that people have with I think it's car insurance and they were like hey It's cheaper faster what up and I was like freak yeah, guy go go all day No slowly in my experience because I use them slowly they started Increasing their price or very comparable to other insurance or whatever or maybe the other insurance came down but either way

But I'm just saying people are like yearning for this new solution so it brings so much operations for competitors to come and just be successful. And then now you're kind of in the, you know, failure. So do the right thing for the right reasons. The villains obey their passions as slaves do their masters. So yeah, can't just follow your passions. The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor. The wolf changes his hair, but not his nature.

A lot of that. There's definitely a lot that the nature of a person doesn't change. That's very heavy in this. There shall be no reward for the evil man. That which is crooked cannot be made straight. We answered a question on the underground that, and I think the way we answered it disagrees with that. That people can redeem themselves and they can, and I know people that have redeemed themselves. and they've gotten on the correct path,

the righteous path in life. Yeah. So. And I, and of course, like, I think, I think this kind of goes without saying,

but this is like a general, it feels like a general, this is a general thing, you know, generally speaking, but on an individual level, I think you're right, that a person can literally be a bad person and then change and not,

and literally be a good person. Like, that can actually happen. But I think that, there's kind of a, it's kind of a good point to recognize, like, when you do hear about this, right? Where this guy's a bad person, he went to prison, blah, blah, blah. And then now he's like a good person and does this good stuff. It stands out so much.

It makes such an impact on us where I'm like, oh, my guy. I'm so, like, impressed and rightly so. But that just kind of is a testament to how rare it is, you know? Because if that was happening like half the time, people would be like, cool, you're like half of people in the world, you know, kind of a thing. Yeah. Oh, it's rare for sure. there's no contending against destiny it's coming to the wicked misfortune to the wicked misfortune comes triple treason doth never prosper tricky comes back to its master

tyranny is far the worst of treasons unhanging one that is hanged and he will hang thee Unlimited power corrupts the possessor We've heard that type of thing before It is certainly An aspect that everyone needs to watch out for Ulcers cannot be cured That are concealed Gotta bring that problem to light

You're hiding that thing It's not gonna get fixed Take ownership of it Let's bring it out there in the light So it can get cured Vengeance Vengeance is without foresight Vices

are seldom single. I think it was Chad Robes Show that we had on when he was talking about when they were looking for human traffickers and you just like start finding a drug dealer and you just start pulling that thread and eventually you'll get to the damn human trafficker. So it's probably pretty accurate.

Vices are learned without a teacher. It's interesting. That's interesting, but it really does accelerate vice when people are around to introduce it. Yeah. You know, and it's, you know, I see so much these days. You can see how malleable people's minds are. People, and I'm talking about the human race, like people, minds are so malignant.

You can see it happen online, right? You see these people getting turned into extremist ways. They're getting radicalized. from watching videos on their phone. Yeah. Right? I mean, this is a real thing. And if, think about it, if you can change your perception to the point where you go and do something violent that is going to ruin someone else's life and your own life.

And you got that way from watching videos on your, on your, on your eye. phone shows you how malleable people's brains are and and so that's why I think even though it says vices are learned without a teacher like when you have someone to teach you those vices it's going to be much uh rap much more rapid fall down that path of destruction yeah and I think that for um or it feels like what this document meant is you don't need a teacher to fall in to vices kind of a thing you know totally agree where as the opposite if if you want you know if you want to learn something very constructive and beneficial long term it's kind of like well you kind of need a teacher you know you can't just fumble about and wind up in you know successful

skilled that's a very good point because human beings will go with the path of least resistance often and the path of least resistance often is not the right path to take yeah it's like that human nature like uh freaking short short the shortest of terms As far as payoffs go. Vice often borrows the color of a virtuous deed. Violent delights have violent ends. Yeah. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Yeah. Vipers breed vipers. It's weird how that can go. You know, you can have the person who's, you know, dad was an alcoholic. He becomes an alcoholic or dad was an alcoholic doesn't drink. Yeah. There is, there, there, there are, vipers don't necessarily breed vipers.

They might often breed vipers. Yeah. But it's not necessarily breed vipers. Yeah. Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished. What is born of the serpent never loses its poison. What is more cruel than a tyrant's ear. What I like about that one is this is like, um, when some rat, you know, if you're, if,

someone's telling a tyrant something like they they you can get a tyrant so spun up you know I mean like some tyrannical leaders like hey you know echo Charles was really questioning your commands earlier bro nothing more violent than a tyrant's here echo's going down yeah that makes sense to when the root is worthless so is the tree okay when a man is angry his reason rides out Yeah. Anger does not help you make good decisions. Where there is whispering, there is lying. It's a good one.

Isn't it weird? Do you ever see, like, you kids are whispering at the dinner table or whatever? Well. You know what I mean? I could imagine, yeah. Yeah, it's like, oh, you can imagine because that doesn't happen. No, no whispering alone. Okay.

Ever. If there's whispering, there's lying. Yeah, well. Hey, look, a lot of these, there's many, many, many exceptions to a lot of this. But, you know, for you, if you, Jocco sat here in broad daylight, told me, hey, these are just rules of them. I'd agree. Yeah. But, yeah, there's exceptions to that.

I mean, quite frankly, I think some people, in my experience, a lot of people, depends on what you mean by a lot. But people sometimes are not ready for the truth, you know? Yet the truth has to kind of be out to some degree for you know to make things happen a lot of time and press some people just not ready for the truth, you know So hey man, sometimes Whispering is a form of Protection empathy, you know kind of that that can be a part of the gig Let's face it. That's why privacy is important like if me and you are like If we're going through like classified stuff. Okay, like for in real life classified stuff. Okay, like for in real life classified stuff. Why?

Why is it classified? Why shouldn't everyone know if everything's on the up and up, right? It's like, bro, not everyone's ready for like the actual truth, you know? Well, sometimes. Yeah, no. Well, there's a lot of stuff right now that's, uh, that's a big consideration, right? And this is kind of a counterpoint. Bro, like, uh, whether it's the Epstein files, right?

The, the people that paid Epstein or that Epstein was supplying underage girls to, Like, why is that not being made public? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now, now you could say we can't handle the truth, or that's why there's whispering, but it's like, this might be a lying scenario. Yeah. Well, I think more important, it's like the truth has to come out. Yeah.

There's got to be, what the hell's going on? Yeah. Just what the hell is going on? Yep. Why would you not release this information? Yeah. So keep in my eye. I agree.

I'm way more. inquisitive about why they're not relation to the information as to whose the people are. So yeah, I'm with you and I'm with you and as far as this concept goes. I think oh yeah, there's lying going on when there's whispers. I'm not denying that. Hell yeah, all day. But a lot of time there's another explanation as well. So I'm saying a lot of times are you going to all the things you talk about with your wife, especially when you're younger. Are the kids ready to hear all that? yeah no probably not and i'm not saying all people are kids but in a way conceptually they are

you know like if you know if you don't know how a certain thing works and you hear a certain element of that thing some people might be put off by it you're saying it's kind of like uh it's like a version of concealment right like concealment like the so like okay went you went to war jaco military man you've probably done things and the good guys that everyone would agree as good have done things that the public is not ready to see or hear about in detail well I don't really agree with that okay so let's say I think if yeah I think I think if there's a whispering then it's like wait what what the hell's going on okay I guess I guess it I guess it depends What you mean by whispering.

Case and point, it's like in certain, like in Vietnam, there's things that are going on. It's like, wait a second, what, wait, what, wait, what's happening? Mm-hmm. Why is that happening? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's true. Because there's people whispering about it. Wait, they're, we're not, we don't know the truth.

Mm-hmm. Let's go less heavy then. So there's a certain, because there's, there's also a difference between like operational security about an ongoing operation. Of course, like, oh, we don't want to, we don't want to, we don't want to give away our, our element of surprise on the enemy. Right. So there's an understanding why some there's actual classified information.

But it should be classified because it, we don't, because it doesn't want to compromise the operations that are taking place. It shouldn't be classified because we're ashamed of what we did. Yes. That's a totally different thing. I'm with you. And then, and apologies because that's not what I meant. So it depends on what to mean by whispering.

So like whispering is like what, like, what like a metaphor? Like, oh, let's keep this like. Yeah. You know what? Oh yeah. It's a metaphor for like, hey, dude. Yeah. So I was thinking like kind of almost more on the literal side where let's say mean you're at a party

There's kids. There's women and children and all this stuff or whatever and I got to go use the bathroom like kind of bad Yeah, it's a bad sausage or something like this and I got to use a bathroom bad I got some problems But we're all at a dinner table. It's kind of nice or whatever so So you us pretty your wife I go to the bathroom. Yeah or to my friend and be like I Come for me. Yeah, you know kind of a thing out here. Tell a loud story. Okay.

Because I'm gonna be in there blowing up the bathroom. And I might be a while. You see what I'm saying? So I'm gonna whisper this to, everyone don't gotta know that, you know? So I'm gonna whisper that to somebody I trust or you know. Yeah, I think the metaphorical, it works better in this case than the reality.

So, okay, point taken. Who undertakes too much succeeds in little? I understand. It's a little prioritized and execute activity right there. You know, like trying to do too much. Not going to get much done. And then got two more to wrap this thing up for today. Who feints not achieves.

Who faints not achieves. Okay. You just send it every time. Keep going, man. Don't back off. Keep going. And then the last one is you dancing in the net and think nobody sees you. If you don't mind, let's go back to who faints not.

So my dad, you serve this saying. mc bc bc all day wise man two degree he said don't get caught half stepping yeah that's what he said so it's kind of like hey bri if we're doing this we're doing this you know that's the the mccaneh the matthew mconeh thing that his dad told him what you heard this story matthew mconeh was in law school and he wanted to go film school and he called his dad and he was bracing because you know telling your dad when you're in law school you're in law school to be a lawyer a respectable job or you're going to be able to make money and have a good career or respectable career and you're like I'm going to bounce out of that and we'll go to film school

right where there's very low probability of success it's weird there's no guarantee and so Matthew McConaughey calls his dad and he's like hey dad this is what I want to do and his dad said well son don't half ass it half ass it yeah so So your dad, that's a very close proximity statement. No half stepping. And also, for when we're on the path there, Walter White from Breaking Bad, no half measures. No half measures. Yeah.

So this halfway stuff isn't going to get us there. So we ain't half stepping. We ain't half measures and we're going to half ass anything. Nope. We're going. I understand. This last one, once again, you dancing in the. net and thinking nobody sees you.

Why don't they say the net? Because if you're a fish and you're in the net, you think you're not going to get caught. Right? This is like I try to tell people this to me is about lack of self-awareness, right? And there's nothing worse than people that are doing nefarious things. Small, big, large, whatever. And they think nobody sees them. It's like people see.

You're sitting there dancing around in the net and you think no one sees you. They're going to catch you. They see you. It's a bizarre form of ignorance, that lack of self-awareness. It's a very scary thing. It's a very scary thing to not have the self-awareness, to recognize that when you're making this little move, something that you're doing,

you think nobody sees you. Yeah. We see you. We all see you, especially from a leadership position, man. You know, you're getting like special food. or you know you're getting a hot coffee when everyone else is drinking coal coffee like everybody sees that yeah everybody sees it everybody sees what you're doing so people can see more than you think

that's what's happening so even like things that are seen okay so I worked with this I worked with this guy long time ago dude you chatty today a little bit you know I've been out you know actually not now hey bro we you know this is this is this is a coincidence I was thinking about literally like a third of these things within the last like three days dawned upon me, you know, the depths of these things. Because you text me because you were on vacation or didn't text me where you told me that when you listened to this one with me and Kerry, you were kind of hype. Yeah, yeah, kind of sad.

You're glad I saved the second one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fully. Only because. Did you think Carrie didn't bring the game like you did? No, no, Carrie brought it. And as he always does 100%. But I'm listening, you know, when you're listening to it, especially if you're watching it, you feel like you're kind of in the room too, you know?

But I can't say anything. You see what I'm saying? I was like, oh, it's something. So you made up for it today, boy? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But, but there's a lot of depth to a lot of these, you know, there's like, oh, my God. Generally speaking versus, you know, individual on an individual level, it's kind of like,

you know, it gets a little bit more flexible, you know, in what regard, like, in what regards are there exceptions? Or under what circumstances, sorry, are there exceptions to these, right? In real life. And then there's big and small, right? And all this stuff. So, uh,

so dancing in the net. And one sees like even small. Okay. So you can have like two intentions at the same time. Yeah. One good and one like super selfish, right? And people see both. Unfortunately under those circumstances most of the time,

they're going to see the bad one and it kind of just trumps the good one, you know? So it's like, uh, let's say you're donating money. Right to, you know, this freaking awesome cause. And then you get up on stage and you're like, you know, I'm just donating all this, all of my hard earned money to this cause, you know? It kind of, you can, people can kind of, I mean, under certain circumstances, they can see, oh, I see what you're doing. You're making more about you.

You know, they can see what you're doing. Even though you did this good thing, literally like donated, like it was going to help. It's going to save life. The whole deal. There's no better way to ruin the credit you deserve by asking for the credit you deserve. Exactly. You're right. Br,

dancing in that net, bro. And so I had a guy do that to me. I'm not even going to tell the story. It doesn't even matter. But a guy did that to meet a group of us where he was like a leader. And he was like, you know what? And basically we all got a bunch of money as like tips, right?

And he was like, you know what? I'm going to, um, you know, I'm going to give my tips to you guys, right? He said that. And you'd think like, fuck,

that's actually really nice. You know, after a freaking sick weekend and, you know, the tips come in, you know, when you're in a job with tips. And he's like, you know, and then he's like standing there the way he said it in his tone and he's looking at us all in the eyes kind of like expecting almost like this big like, like, I don't know, round of applause.

Like a, he was expecting like a big reaction. And it was really like, and we're just watching them dance in the net. Just just an elaborate dance in the net. Meanwhile, we're getting tips. Bro, that was not the front running sentiment right there. It was like, brother, this guy was just dancing. So I was like, oh man, that's true. And he probably was like, fuck.

I am sick. Everyone loves me now, but I think everyone else is like, this guy's kind of douche. You see what? You know what? There's another proverb that you just kind of danced around a little bit, which is never say never, never, never say always, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? Which is something that I agree with. Almost always. You know what I mean? I don't always agree with it, but because there are some always times and there are some never times. but never say never and never say always is usually pretty accurate because there's always some case that doesn't quite fit and so yeah it's another good proverb even though you there are times when you should say so never say never including never saying never yeah and never say always including never saying always yeah there's sometimes there's some things that are always and some things that are never so so we're being like jocco we're being firm but flexible Yeah, so that's what we're doing under most situations, many situations, the last majority of situations.

All right, so there you have it. And again, you know, these things feel real obvious sometimes, but you're making decisions all day long. It's really good occasionally to think about how well you can be guided through some of these. Keep in front of mind, keep you on the path. And speaking of the path, we talked a little bit about working out today. Did you work out yet today? No. You learn a workout early in the morning thing for a little while, weren't you?

Yeah, I went in it. I've dabbled in that for sure. Do you want to work out this afternoon? Like you're going to work out this afternoon? It's on the books. Do you want to? Are you looking forward to it right now? At this exact moment, no, because I kind of like, you know, chopping it up right now.

But yeah, when I go home, I'm like, yeah, hell yeah. You know, I'm not particularly tired or nothing like that. But there's a good chance when we get home. Maybe I'll sit down for a second. I'll be like, okay, I got to force this work. I mean, for sure. Part of the good. Well, one thing that can help you if you're going to be working out is

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We're making jeans. We're making boots. We're making hoodies. We're making T-shirts. I just donated a pair of boots. Did you, I didn't even, I felt a little bad because I presented them to Kerry. I felt that too, by the way. Yeah.

You hurt? So I thought Carrie, you know, Kerry's, you know, he's a little younger than us. He's got a little bit more necessity for looking sharp, right? Let's face it. You and me. We're you know we're past that phase You know what I'm saying? In other phases for sure look we're looking we're trying to be strong right? We're not slacking on our lifting or our running or our sprinting or our workout

We're slacking there but maybe we're not Dressing up as much as carry has to dress up right he's a thing he's he's in a relationship, but you know you know I'm saying he's looking good so He's in the game 100% your care so I immediately gave a pair of Chelsea boots yeah that had been sent to me I was like look I can wear these sure but Kerry could like use them you know what I mean put him so I gave me he was pumped he took he put him on he left left him on that was what he was wearing today yeah so we got boots we got just everything that you need and it's all a hundred percent made in America from American made materials so

no one's doing that no one's doing that no one's committed to doing that like we are so question about the boots yeah so those are those aren't like some new boots that are not available. No, the Chelsea are available. They're available, right. Yeah.

And the good year welt. Is there, is there different colors? I think so. And if there's not, I think I know someone that might be able to help you out there. See what up with that.

Because I do have a pair of the blacked out mock toe that I, there, look, I got them custom. And they're legit. And you know what? If people, there's a high demand for them,

we can put them into production. You know what I mean? Oh, like different colors. Yeah. a bunch of people no specific we're not gonna you can't run 50 different custom pairs you know you got to make them all right here's an option right blacked out jaco style boots might be a thing oh okay so when you say custom wait what does that mean i mean they've literally made them for me

right right okay so they didn't like freaking put your shoe in a mold no no no no no whatever okay this size these cut all black right right yeah it's not part of the standard offering scenario or whatever but back to the Chelsea ones not the mock mocked great only because those Chelsea was a little bit like more of a light lighter weight kind of a look right yeah they're definitely a little bit sleeker sleeker sleek or exactly right like um I heard Pete describing it's something like a business casual he said it's leaning a little bit toward more towards business yeah I would even say it's not more business I yeah yeah maybe if they were black but then again I'm not the right

person to ask you know what I mean I think that those are like They're leaning towards straight up fashion like those look like if someone's come walking in with those so you're saying they're leaning towards like sharp dress Dress like and I'm saying in a good way you you know me look are you in touch with that whole side of things you know as much as maybe you could be no probably but how about it all yeah or at all you know but I recognized that yes I'm looking at these boots if those were paired with the appropriate appropriate attire, someone who cares about aesthetic, brothers are sliding right in. And they looked good. And, you know, and I said this before, hey, look, I'm looking at Carrie, you know, with a staunch, unblemished record of heterosexuality and recognize that he looked amazing in him.

See what I'm saying? So I'm saying it was an attractive pair of footwear. Okay. So I might want to get some of those. Those are more my style, I think, more so than, because I don't really wear that many boots. Maybe you might have just caught a blemish on your show. Yeah, right little record there. The record just got blemished.

Well, thanks to the boots. Seems saying that's how powerful. Irresistible. Irresistible. Even echo Charles. Even echo Charles. He fell off the path for a minute. Hey, we're out here appreciating stuff.

Right on. Well, if you need any of this stuff, 100% made in America, go to origin, USA.com and get some. That's what we're doing. It's true. Also, Jocco store. Of course, we're still going. Jocco Storl.

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So anyway, this one equals freedom. We got your shirts and hoodies and we've got tank tops on there. We were out of tank tops for a while. Don't ask why. But summer is coming up. So I'm saying, you know, we're going to be wearing things out. Guns out. Gones out.

Boy, look at you over there. You understand. So be on the look up for that. You know, keep in mind, too, we have the socks going. Hats on there. A lot of stuff on there. So check it out. Did you get me some of those shirt locker shirts that I wanted to?

Not yet, but you got to wait like five more days. Okay. Cool. Cool. Make sure. Oh, yeah. So Shirt Locker, if you don't know what that is. It's a subscription scenario, new shirt, different designs, all representing the

past just in different ways, more creative, fun. You know, people have fun with that. Right. Anyway, yeah, subscription scenario, different. design every month it's on jocco store.com just click on the top shirtlock you can kind of check out what the vibe is and yeah if you like that sign up

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companies and of course awesome steak awesome jerky awesome beef sticks awesome Franks off awesome patties beef patties just it's just awesome I got a recipe for you go fuck I might have told you this no I'm saying it again doesn't matter okay call I made this last night so it's fresh on my mind and the night before by the okay we got ground beef one pound depending how big you are if you're concerned with like the macros or whatever you want to line them up look I put ground beef one pound boom I put like a certain seasoning in it

it's called the ducine seasoning yeah yeah but you can put whatever You know, you can do the rib rub. Well, no, you shouldn't say whatever, because that's kind of critical. Yes. You know, to just be like, whatever. Well, I mean whatever, like, whatever seasoning that you like. I particularly like this one. So you can do the rib rub, because I'll do that too.

So anyway, you put your seasoning in there, not too much, but just some. Boom, you saute it up, right? You cook it on a pan or whatever. Boom, when it's done, you put, I put three eggs. You put one egg, zero eggs, whatever you want. But I put, like, right one is done cooking. I cracked three eggs on it, right? Then mix it in.

I don't mix it in before I there you can do like an omelet scenario which I I used to do a lot but I just do three eggs plus all the all the the ground beef okay then I make rice I per prefer rice it's gonna sound weird but bear with me so you go rice boom you put the ground beef on top boom with the eggs on top boom spaghetti sauce I know bear with me spaghetti sauce not too much honey mustard dressing boom a little bit of like low fat or non-fat cheese depends on your macros sprinkle that sounds crazy right no it all sounded semi-normal until you said you put all that shit on there then you go low-fat cheese well here's

why here's why and this is my particular thing and other people might be like this as well when I start putting cheese on stuff but I can go too far for real what cheese what kind of cheese well when I go too far mooticeice or what do we do you know yeah so last night was mozzarella cheese yeah but you put whatever cheese you like But it just adds a little something. Don't put too much because we're going to be tempted to do that. And then sometimes you can throw off all your macros. You can like almost double your calories if you're concerned about that good stuff.

So I'm just saying, watch out for the cheese. That's why I do the low fat. Keep the macros like not quite as high, but you still get the good macros protein, enough carbohydrates for your thing. Unless you're doing keto. That's a whole other thing. But I'm just saying that recipe, you'll be surprised that the seasoning plus the spaghetti sauce, not too much.

Not as much. Like put it half as much spaghetti sauce as you would. put on spaghetti half as much and then honey mustard half as much honey mustard as you put spaghetti sauce there you go that's the ratio bro try it bro you're over here doubting the whole you have a skeptical look in your face i'm telling you 100% with very few exceptions it'll be very good that you'll be like this impressively good check you're a lot of hate for that no i won't no i won't actually a lot of people i won't i won't i won't all right well there you go You're going to need ground beef for part of that recipe.

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Check that one out. Yeah. It's good to review that thing. It's good to review that thing, keep things on your mind. And there's a whole, like, video online activity you can go and do. Oh, like a compliment. Yeah. To the book.

Yeah. Oh, that's legit. Oh, yeah. The whole nine yards. So go check that out. Check out Mijas. I gotta give his website from them. If you Google Meeha, modern submission grappling, you'll get there.

Have you, that's new to me. Okay. That you have a video compliment to the book. Is that new? Have you heard of that before? I'm out of that world. I don't know, but Miha did it. Bro, that's like something that's like...

Because Miha and Keenan had like a little studio for filming Jiu-Jitsu moves and stuff. Yeah, yeah. And they had... And so Miha said to himself, well, we got the studio. We got people that want to learn. They bought the book. Yeah. Let's get him in the game.

So that's like... There you go. That is smart. I mean, sorry if someone else had come up with that as a thing, but that's the first I ever heard of it. But that is something that is massively neat. because when you you know like anything if you just read the book especially something that so heavily requires like physical practice that's like a huge

hole in the learning process now you're covered not anymore so check out meha's gig plus I've written a bunch of books a bunch of books about leadership I've written a bunch of kids books so check those out also we have a leadership consultancy called echelon front where we solve problems through leadership many skills it takes to be a good leader. Look, you're born with some of them. Like, you're born with some potential for some of these skills. But you might not necessarily have honed those skills.

And some of them you might not even know about. Their skill, there's, imagine like jujitsu. There's a move that you didn't know. Same thing can happen with leadership. Same thing can happen with leadership. Even moves within the moves, by the way. Oh, yeah. That's what I keep picking up, like when I keep going to these musters that you guys throw.

The moves within the moose. Yeah, there's a lot to learn. Leadership is a skill. Go to Ashlandfront.com if you want to bring this skill into your organization or you want to come to one of our events where we teach these skills. And also, you can go to a place called

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Echoes at Echo Charles. Just watch out the ancient proverb. If you play with the algorithm, The algorithm will play with you. It's a monster. Watch out for it. Thanks to the men and women in the service around the globe right now, standing on the front lines, the front lines of freedom to protect our way of life.

Thank you for your service. Thanks to police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, Border Patrol, Secret Service, as well as all other first responders, thank you for your service to protect us here at home. And to everyone else out there, I'm going to close with the problem. verb that we opened with, if you leap into a well, Providence is not bound to fetch you out. That's right. You are responsible for your actions.

And I recommend that you don't leap into any wells or you don't make any bad decisions or you don't place yourself into any bad positions or scenarios. But if you do, don't count on anyone or anything, earthly or divine. to come and pull you out. It's all on you. So take ownership and make things right. And that's all we've got for tonight. And until next time,

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