Jocko Podcast - 52: How to Overcome Fear. How to Combat Burnout. Violating Values to Achieve Goals. How to Follow Through w/ Ideas.

Episode Date: December 7, 2016

0:00:00 - Opening 0:04:35 - Finding time to train in BJJ while deployed. 0:12:07 - Choosing your battles at work. 0:24:28 - Recommendations for careers in Leadership 0:31:33 - How to combat burnout. 0:50:50 - Dealing with labeling at work as former Special Forces 0:55:09 - Is it ever Okay to violate core values to achieve a goal? 1:07:41 - How to Recalibrate the Fight or Flight response. 1:18:46 - How to follow through with ideas. 1:28:28 - When to start a child in Jiu Jitsu. 1:40:18 - How to overcome fear and be brave. 1:43:24 - Support Stuff.  Cool internet, Onnit, Jocko Store, Jocko Tea stuff. 2:05:57 - ClosingSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 52 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So, today is the 52nd episode of the Jocko podcast, which means that it's been one year since we put out one every week. And people have been asking me, you know, hey, You're going to do anything special for the one year anniversary, a special guest or a special book is, you know, what are you going to do special on this day? And my answer is, yes, we are going to do something special because today is special.

But today isn't special because it's the 50 second podcast. See, just like I don't go overboard with special holidays, like birthdays or Christmas or Valentine's Day or Veterans Day or even Memorial Day. Today isn't special because it's the 52nd podcast. Today is special because it's today. Because it's today. Today is special because we are alive because we're breathing. and when you're here and you're alive and you recognize that recognize that that you're alive today that makes every day special makes every day a miracle makes every day a gift and that might seem like a trite platitude but it isn't and if you've seen brave young men who give their lives on the battlefield for their brothers or you've seen stoic young children facing some

kind of terminal disease or you have had death attack your life with its multitude of heartless weapons cancer and disease and suicide and accidents and addiction and murder and war And if you've seen those things, then you know it isn't a platitude and it isn't cliche. You know it's true. Every day is a special day. Every day is a gift. Every day is awesome. And so what are we going to do special for this podcast right here?

The same thing that we always do. I'm going to give it everything we've got. We're going to leave it all on the mat. We prepared. We invested. We studied. We thought. And we're going to get after it.

Why? Why? Not because this is number 52, not because it's been one year, not because we made it this far, but because this is the one. It's the one, the one life we have. This is the one shot we get at today, this day, now. And so we're going to get after it like we always do and we're going to make it count. So, Echo, let's do this. I did go a little bit long with the last podcast, you know. We were introducing the Korean War, the coldest war on that last episode. So I went a little crazy on that one.

We all need to hear about that. We're going to hear some more. But today, we're going to straight to Q&A from the interwebs. So Echo Charles. What do you got? Question number one. go all right okay first question jaco how did you have time to train in martial arts while deployed

I figure that you were too busy with combat to even think about training while deployed thank you for any information okay so um a couple things I always brought mats with me when we deployed and it was really good, you know, because once I was in a leadership position, I could kind of make that happen pretty easily. Wait, how does that happen? Do you just say, hey, bring some math? Do you tell somebody? I had mats. No, I had mats. And I actually got mats from the team. And then we would just put them on a big pallet when you deploy you, you go on, you put all your gear on these big pallets. So some of those pallets would have mats on. And then when we would go on deployment,

now pre-war, it was, you know, we'd go on deployment. We'd just bring mats and train wherever we could train. And then once the war started, and I still brought mats. I was like, hey, war, there's not like they're going to have us working 24 hours a day. So, and if they did, we just wouldn't be able to train, but I was prepared for training. And what I did, both from my deployments to Iraq is I had a, what's called a GP medium tent, which is basically a really, really big tent. And they have air conditioning and they have dual walls, so it stays kind of cool. And I just made that into a little mini fight room, put mats out, and then I would just train when there was downtime. And there is downtime when you're on deployment. I mean, there is definitely downtime when you're

on deployment. And like, what are you going to do with your downtime is the question. Now, some guys with their downtime, they decide to do something that's maybe not super productive. I'll give you an example that. There was some guys on my first deployment to Iraq. And they played Halo. It's a video game. Have you heard of it? Yes. Okay, it's a first person shooter video game. Yeah. And so my guys were so, they just played, anytime we weren't working,

which, you know, our missions at that point, we're doing a little direct action missions. They only take a few hours, you know, the planning and, you know, every two or three days. So you had time, right? And so all the time, and they had the, they had wires set up so they could play different, um, each other in different tents.

Yeah. Yeah, it was really ridiculous. And meanwhile, the guys that were a little more hard, court we were training the jiu jits but but but these guys and actually these guys were good mugs too but what's funny is so I kind of thought like what is wrong with these guys why are they doing us but you know whatever and then all of a sudden they had a the group above us the group that was in charge of the seals that were there it's called the siege of soda the combined joint special operations task force that group they hosted a halo

tournament. Like, and all the different special operations groups went and did this Halo tournament. And I don't know if I'm proud of this or not proud of this. But two of my guys that entered the tournament, they won. But not only did they win, I guess the way you play Halo, you get, you can die multiple times. And so after a certain number of times, like you play to a certain number of deaths, I guess. But anyways, in the finals, these two guys beat the other guys that were from some Army group or something.

They beat them 50 deaths to two. So I was just saying to myself, really? So anyways, the next deployment guys were playing some other. I don't play video games, but the other guys played in, when we were Ramadi, guys were playing, I want to say John Madden football. That's a good answer? Yeah. See, I don't know. because I don't play video games.

Check you. Echo Charles. But what I was doing during those times, during those down times is yes, bring, math and train jiu-jitsu. And there's always guys, even though there'd be plenty of guys playing video games, and we'd train jiu-jitsu for sure. And you should make time for it because you know what? You think about being under a stressful situation?

Well, what's going to help you with a stressful situation? A physical outlet, a little mental break. And guess what? Guess what gives you a physical outlet and gives you mental break? doing some jiu-jitsu. So, you know, of course, there's times where we'd go and we'd go in the field or we'd have multiple back-to-back-to-back-to-back operations and we wouldn't build a train. No big deal.

Of course, the job takes the total priority over it. But, yeah, so I would always train. And I'll tell you one more thing. When I would go on to playment, like let's say you're a guy that trains and you go into playment, well, there's going to be somebody that will train with you. Even if there are never trained before, somebody's going to go, yeah, I'll train with you. And those guys, that happened to me, you know, where I went on deployment with a bunch of guys that didn't know anything. And I just was teaching them.

And when I came back from a six-month deployment, this is before the war, I was definitely way better than I was before I left. So even though I was only training with guys that were not even close to as good as me, just training all the time and just going with guys, you know, strong, tough team guys made me better. And when I got back, I had improved a lot in comparison with the guys that I was training with. with before I left that we're training all the time while I was gone. So you can make improvement even if you just have bodies to move around and you can focus on your offense, you can put yourself in bad positions. So there's a bunch of ways to get better while you're doing it. So yeah, man, you can train on deployment for sure.

We just had a couple guys come back from deployment from the Marine Corps and, you know, they were on a shipboard deployment. They trained all the time. You know, they just came back to Victory, MMA and they've been training the whole time. They got good too. They improved their game a lot. Yeah, I seen guys train. I think it was Army guys.

They were training and they trained with the jacket on and they used the jacket. Yeah, for sure. I mean, different, but kind of the same. Oh, yeah, it's the same. You know, and I've done that too. In fact, the early days of jujitsu for me, I spent, that's why when No Gee started getting popular, I kind of knew No Gee because we used to train in BDU pants, so like camouflage pants and a T-shirt. That sort of seemed like a good compromise.

And then, and plus Dean and I trained No-Gie a lot, even though Dean was, Dean was trained in No-Gee because he wrestled and then wasn't he doing m-m-a and stuff too right what he did he did no-gee way before he did before he did M-M-A I mean we were trading no-gee I don't even know what I've to ask Dean where the idea came because

even in Samba you wear a jacket right right yeah on the top and he was a Samba guy too do you guys go like all when you train like hey I'm you know I'm just one of the team guys I don't train Jiu-Jitsu and you're like hey let's go train what do you do full-on training like for six you know

eight minute rounds or yeah yeah it's the same thing I mean I've talked about before like I would get guys that were training even if they're a lower level and I would just train with all of them and just line them up and go and then they'd be training with each other too

you know and I would teach little classes and say hey this is how you do this and you know me I kind of like to roll more but so I would always end up rolling a lot but you know you get good tough team guys that wrestled or their high school wrestler

or they did judo so there's guys and they they always bring it it's always good training with them yeah and they're moving Yeah, you know, they're not like, and they got great cardio and they're strong. And then, you know, anytime there was Marines around or soldiers around, there were some Rangers down the street for me, I trained with a few of those guys a couple times.

So yeah, man, getting after it. You can definitely, you've got to find a way to do it, and then you make time to do it. Next question. My boss instituted mandatory, uncompensated monthly meetings with the added warning that if we miss them, there'd be repercussions. While this is an unjust move on his part, I'm choosing to remain silent and not complain.

I decided that this is not enough of a pressing issue for me to speak out against. That way, the next time I decide to actually raise an issue over something, it'll have more of an impact. This was influenced by your decision to only ask for your leadership for help only when absolutely necessary. Because of this, when you did ask for something, your request was taking much more seriously. do you think this was the right way to lead up the chain of command in this scenario? Yeah, I think that's a very good way to lead up the chain of command in that scenario. And you've got to choose your battles because it is possible in any job to cry wolf, right? It's possible to say, oh, this is way we can't do this.

And it's possible if you complain about everything. Eventually you're not getting listened to anymore. So what I would do here, definitely attend the meetings, right? You show up for the meetings, you attend the meetings, you see what they're about. and see what the deal is. What is he trying to accomplish? Maybe he has some really good thing that he's trying to accomplish. He's got to put out word or we don't know yet.

Maybe his vision is that this only, he's only going to hold these mandatory meetings until he gets a flow and he gets everybody on board and then he can go, cool, we don't have to do this anymore. You guys got it. I don't know what his vision is. You know, what's he trying to make happen? Let's give him that credit as the leader to say,

hey, you know, you're calling this meeting. We're going to show up there. We're going to do our best to participate and get the most out of the meeting. find out what it's all about. So go to the meetings. And then now you got your guys. So you might be a little bit worried about your guys, right? Saying, hey, why are you making us attend this meeting that the boss said we got to go to?

And on that one, what I would likely do is make everyone attend a few of them. And I would do it. Say, hey, guys, the boss is having a meeting. No, we're not going to get paid. But look, we're going to get word. We're to find out what's going on. So I want everyone's got to be there. Right.

So you don't pass the buck. You maintain the responsibility. of what's happening. You own it. And then maybe after a little while, though, you look at the boss and you say, hey boss, you know what? These meetings are good to go.

I'm getting a lot out of them. But I'm not going to make my, I don't want to make my guys go. I want to pass the word to them. So is that all right? If I have them skip the meetings, but I'll be there and then I'll put out the information. And, you know, most likely you'll get a,

hey, that sounds good, especially if you've been attending the meetings and you've been participating, you've been raising your hand and saying, taking notes and saying, yeah, we got that boss. We can make that happen. If you've been, is that kissing ass? No, no, no. It's building a relationship, right?

Now, there is a distinction, right, between kissing ass and building a relationship. And don't kiss ass because you're not building a relationship when you kiss ass. As a matter of fact, people are turned off by it. So you don't want to be that guy. Hey boss, what a wonderful meeting. I got so much out of it.

No, no, no, no. Participate and get in the game. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying kiss ass because kiss ass isn't gonna get you, it's gonna look bad. I mean, are there some bosses that feed off of that? Yes, there are. And we might have to play that game a little bit.

You might have to play that game a little. Not going to feel good. That's why we have to put our ego in check. And then, yeah, that's what I would do. So I think you made the right call. Let's get in, go to a bunch of these meetings, see what they're all about. And maybe, you know, eventually you're saying, hey, boss, you know, these are uncompensated. We could probably utilize these hours better if we did some this or we did that.

So this is a good, good. straightforward method. I think you made the right call and let us know how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, that kissing ass thing. Everyone knows you're kissing ass. Everyone does. Even if the boss, I mean, really what you're doing is you're trading your long-term respect. You're training that in for that short-term popularity. You know, with just the boss, by the way. Like all your people. Because your popularity is going down. Everyone else looking at you like, look at that guy. Kissing ass. Look at him. Even the boss, even if he likes it. There's a big part of his brain. It's like, all.

I know. So that's what I'm saying that you don't have to kiss ass. Right. You don't have to kiss ass. But you know what you, what does the boss want? Someone that's kissing their ass and saying, wow, what a wonderful idea. Or someone that's actively participating like a professional. That's what they want.

That's what they want. So to do that. Gotta be down for the cause. Exactly. You're like, dang, I'm down for the cause. I'll tell you when I have a problem with something. I'll tell you why. You know, that kind of thing.

But ultimately, if you're down for the cause, your boss's cause or the whole cause or whatever. That's. And so much of it changes with your attitude. If your attitude is like, oh, man, this is, well, we got to go to this meeting, we're not. But if you're actually like, hey, this is really cool that the boss is stepping up. He's trying to get us engaged in this. I'm going to go in there and get after it. That just totally changed your attitude right there.

I've done that a million times, played that little game in my head, said, all right, my boss is an idiot. You know what? I'm an idiot. Let's go. Let's make this happen. I'm going to get after it. What is, what stupid thing is he going to tell me? You know what I'm going to do with that stupid thing he tells me to do?

I'm going to crush you. I did that at when I was going to officer candidate school. and there's this thing at officer candid school where you have to yell everything that you say. They call it being ballistic. They say you've got to be ballistic at all times. And it's pretty cool why they do it actually. They do it because you get some people that are coming into the military because when you go to OCS, most of the people that are going through OCS with have never been in the military before.

They're coming from college and they graduated college and now they're going to OCS. So they got 13 weeks to get turned into an officer. So what they do is they make you yell everything. Why do they do that? The reason they make you yell everything is because there's some people that aren't confident when they speak. And so everything that they're going to say, they're kind of be shy about saying it. Well, at OCS, you've actually got to yell everything that you say because you can't go on the bridge of a ship and say, can we turn the ship 90 degrees to the port? No, no, no, no.

You have to speak up. You have to say, hey, we're turning 90 degrees port. I don't actually know what the command is because I wasn't a surface warfare officer. But, you know, you say, hey, we're going to turn 90 degrees port. You can't say it in a timid way. And so the way they beat that out of you is by making you yell every single thing that you do when you're an officer candidate school. So what we did was the upperclassmen that control you when you're going through. There's like a class that's getting ready to graduate and they kind of control you when the drill instructors aren't there.

And so they also make little money for their fund. And the way they make money for the fund is selling soda and candy in this little, this little closet, right? I mean, it's authorized. So my class I said hey guys When you go into I was the class president I said when you go I said when you go into

The office to buy candy Or soda which I don't recommend But if you do If you do do it go in there and be ballistic And they were like why I go do it Because those are the rules And so everyone lined up And they went in this little closet

And they're yelling at the I would like one coke Cola and want sticker bar, sir. And after 10 people, the person that's in there, the upper classman comes out and goes, you guys are no longer allowed to be ballistic. And that was the way that we won by means, you know, just kidding. And I actually did that in Buds, too, where I do stuff to the extreme. You know, like you've got to get wet and sandy in buds. And which means you got to jump in the ocean and then roll around in the sand.

Well, I would jump in the ocean. I would roll around the sand. And then when you get back to the instructor that told you to go get wet and sandy, you'd have to go back to them and say, Huya instructor Charles, to make sure that they knew that you got wet in sandy. So what I would do is I'd go, it didn't do it immediately,

but when I figured it out that I could do this, I did it. I would go, I would get wet, I would get sandy, I would completely, I would completely cover my, every square inch of my body with sand.

And then I would put sand into my mouth. I would fill my mouth in sand. And when I'd run up to say huya to the instructor, when I'd say huya, dry sand would come out of my mouth. It was pretty fun. So I like to have that attitude. Like, oh, you want to make me do something? Great. I'll do it.

And I'm going to do it with vigor and enthusiasm. And then we literally, in my Bud's class, when at a certain point, they told us we weren't allowed to get wet in sand anymore. They literally told us that. And they said, no, you guys are you weren't allowed to get wet anymore. Yeah. And we were saying, what's wrong? No, you're not allowed. So it actually, yeah, okay, well, I did it anyways. It's kind of like they're kind of pushing you down this hill with this expectation that you're going to be putting on the brakes or something.

Run to the fire. Yeah. So like the more they push you down the hill, the more your natural tendency, hopefully is going to be to put on the brakes. That's why all that works. You know, like, oh, go get wet and say, oh, that sucks. But if you're like, when's any time, let's do this kind of thing. Then it's like, ah. And then, in a way, you can put on the brakes when they say stop.

Okay, I'm going to get Wednesday anymore. One of my buddies, so there's something called flights where you run up this hill and you carry pallets. You know what a pallet is, right? I don't know. They're made a wood or steel. We had both there. They call them flights. And they actually have a little flight tower.

Just a little tiny. A little tiny. A little tight. It's called flights. And you put this thing on your back so you look like an airplane and you run up. this hill and come back down. Right, right. And you do it as a squad.

And when you get back to the bottom, they'd say, okay, who came in last place? Wait, how many people, one guy, one pallet? Yeah, one guy per palette. They'd be like, okay, who came in last place? And I'd say, I came in last place. Then you got to do it again. But the funniest was, when you came back down, if you were slow or they just wanted to hammer you more, they'd say, hey, you're on fire.

Go put it out, which means you've got to run then your palate down to the ocean. Oh, God. And so one time I came back down and, well, one time I came back down and I said, they said, you have to request permission to land. And one time I came back down and said, I can't land. I'm on fire. And they go, okay, go take it to surf. But what was even better than that was a couple days later, I came back down and I said, request permission to touch and go, which in pilots is, you know, you land and you take right back off. So I just, they go, permission granted.

I turned right around and went back up there. That's pretty funny. Isn't it, doesn't that like just, because basically that starts with just embracing the attitude. That's what it starts with. Have a good time with it. Yeah, doesn't it result in all this crap? Let's face it, man. That's that go get wet and sandy.

I mean, from a normal standpoint. Is, like, is allegedly not fun. Yeah. So fun. Neither is the flights. Bro, you explain that. The flights is not cool. But doing it that way, it's just as hard kind of physically, but the experience.

It's a little bit harder. But the experience. is way better though. And then, yeah, we always had a good time when we were doing, like we used to go on, we were on a ship, then you'd go and the ship do something called an unwrap where you, they load gear, they load food and supplies and fuel from another ship. And we would go help, but we would turn it into like a sport where we're trying to move as much boxes as we can and guys, we're all sweating and just getting after it.

And instead of being, instead of being, because it's, it's, it's, whatever, it sucks, right? You got to go up there and move a bunch of boxes, like a moving party, basically. Yeah. But we actually turn it into a moving party. Yeah. Emphasis on party. We would go out and have fun, be laughing, throwing stuff. And just basically getting after it, even though it was just labor.

But why not have a good time? Bro, that's a good idea. You got to really man up with it for sure. But once you, if you can kind of split that switch, that's good. Yeah, it changes everything. When you get that good attitude going. Yeah. Make it fun.

It's good, man. Those pallets. Yeah, flights. We used to, or we do on Kauai, Polly Holly, huge beach, huge sand, you know, to get to the beach. Seven-mile beach, by the way. Nice. Make bonfires with those pallets. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You didn't carry them up your back on the hill. No, no, no, no. Use the truck, for sure. Next question. Let's do it. Do you have any recommendations for careers that are similar to the military and or careers that are based on leadership context. She's a context.

I applied to the Canadian Armed Forces to be a signals officer and I failed my medical signals officer. Yeah, it's basically a communications officer. Right, right. Okay, so yeah, currently looking for alternatives. Well, I'm not sure what the physical shortfall is. I'm going to assume that the physical shortfall

was something that was disqualified you from any type of military. So maybe you have really bad vision. Maybe you have really bad hearing it in here. Maybe you have some irregular heart thing. Maybe there's just some blood type, you know, something. There's a bunch of things that can do that to people. And so I'm going to assume that it was bad enough that you can't join the military at all.

Okay. The next thing is can you get into some kind of police or law enforcement? That's the next question because maybe there's something that disqualifies you from the military, but you could still get into police and law enforcement. And by the way, you know, if you can't get into that, what kind of maybe some kind of an anti-terror agency that you could possibly go into? And I would say the next step from there is, you know, what kind of an intelligence agency could go work for?

You know, what kind of a person, you know, could you be a person that learns a language that learns, you know, some technical skills that allows you to pursue people through the interwebs? you know, there's a lot of terror happening on the interwebs and it needs to be stopped. So who's doing that? Cyber war. Cyber war is real? I mean, it's real. So is there something that you could pursue in there? And guess what? You're doing it, you're doing it virtually, right? But you're still hunting down terrorists and catching bad guys and preventing terror attacks. So even though it's not, you know, shooting a machine gun, it still has a huge impact. And I'll tell you what, in the future, in the future, it might even have a bigger impact than the guys that are shooters.

So there's that, there's that avenue to look at. And same thing in, in law enforcement. There's certain professions that you can get where you're not actually a police officer, but you're a, you know, a forensic scientist that goes and looks at crime scenes and tries to figure out what happens. So there's definitely some, some roads to go down there. Then there's firefighting, of course. There's being a paramedic.

That's another good one. Those are all service-based. And so that's like a whole group, right? That's a whole thing. Yeah. And then let's say you can't do any of those things. Well, then what? Well, for me, it's really easy.

Construction. Software engineering, being a salesperson, going into technology, being a plumber, being an electrician, going into automotive or prayer, automotive repair what like what all those jobs if you are getting after in those jobs they're all you can you can excel you can own your own company you can get after it you can lead you can make a ton of money any one of those jobs you can make a ton of money any of them if you are a professional and you take pride in your work and you make I saw something the other

day I wish I could find it I'd try and post it it was just a plumber had obviously done this massive job where all these pipes were all coming and going into one thing and there was you know probably 20 or 30 little pieces of pipe but they were all perfectly aligned perfectly exact and it was in some you know storage you know mechanical room but it just looked like so professional and that's the kind of thing that you know no matter what your job is what are you going to do? All you need to do is step up and get after it and all those jobs, any job that you're doing, that your work, that you enjoy, you know, do something that you enjoy. And what makes you enjoy things, to me, what makes you enjoy, enjoy things is doing them well and practicing and getting good

at them and having pride in your work. That's awesome. So I would say, you know, you got to go. you got to find something that you like doing and get after it. A lot of times, just in general, as far as finding what you want to do. You know, sometimes people are like, hey, I like to, I don't know, surf. So I'm going to go be a surf instructor or something like that. Usually how to find what you want to do doesn't have to do directly. It's like what are the things that stimulate you or motivate you or motivate,

motivate you or whatever that make you like surfing or make you like whatever it's like so a lot of it it's real like basics like I like problem solving this way or something like that so tip there is look at what you like to do or like what you like to watch on TV or whatever I like to work with my hands okay good then you need to be a carpenter you need to be a plumber you need to be an electrician oh I like to work with my brain okay you like to solve problems okay become a software engineer where you're trying to figure out how to map all those things together or a statistician. I like the numbers. I'm going to be a stat.

So, yes, absolutely. What are you interested in? And then what job requires that type of mindset and skill? It's always fun because I work with so many different companies in every different industry. And whenever I meet, you know, there's always a group of people that are just into their job, right? They're into it. And they want to be the best. And it doesn't matter what it is.

And I've had, you know, I work with companies every different industry. And sometimes I think to myself, well, this is a weird industry. I kind of, you know, just think, you know, it's weird that I'm going to work with this particular company because this is a weird industry. And then I meet the person that's bringing me in. And they're talking to me about their business like they're going into combat. Yeah. And I mean that in the most positive way. They're like, hey, this is what we want to do.

This is our vision right here. And they're talking about, you know, selling shampoo. I mean, you know what I mean? like just something that that they're into and they just want to do the best that they can at it. And that becomes a passion and a fuel. So it's it's fun to watch. It's fun to watch. And it doesn't, and it translates, you know, the attitude that they bring to it and the leadership that they bring to it translates into their whole life.

That's how, well, that's what makes people successful in business and life is when they're, they bring that attitude if I'm going to, I'm going to do this the best of my ability. And I'm going to grow. and I'm going to get better and I'm going to find my weaknesses and I'm going to work on those. And next thing you know, these people are owning their own businesses. And it's awesome. Next question. Let's do that.

Why do you never or rarely swear or use profanity? Yeah, bro. Why do you never spend it? Anyway, that's part A of the question. Why do you never swear or use profanity? B, part B, the question is, what do you do to combat burnout? out. My schedule isn't helping. I'm a prosecutor, constantly overrun with violence and despair,

up at 5 a.m. to play music or read. A Jiu-Jitsu Purple Belt trying to keep up with the young monsters on the mat, but never seem to have enough time because life is always making huge demands and trying to get better at gymnastics strength training without neglecting my wife and my dog. Thanks for encouraging us regular folks to dig a little deeper and try a little harder. Well,

the swearing question, we actually talked about that already on one of the earlier podcasts. I don't know which number, but it's covered in great detail. I think it's an 18-minute conversation. Let's not rehash that one. And just to clarify that,

more appropriate, we'll just say a question would be to modify this. Why do you never or rarely swear on while are you recording? That is true. Because you get your swear on from time to time. I have used, I give myself six foul language usages per month.

Outside, you know. Outside recording. I'm just kidding. Yes, I do swear. I think it's, it is. You think that's cool, huh? I don't know if it's cool or not, but I do do it. But I don't swear here, and I don't swear when I'm presenting,

and I don't swear in front of my wife and kids. And I really not in front of your wife Not really Not to say that's bad enough But that's interesting for sure I mean I try and give her some respect And treat

You know speak In fact when I do swear in front of her I do it knowingly That I'm trying to make some kind of a A statement about something Yeah like emphasizing Yeah really emphasize something Dang okay

Cool man that's good Hey okay now let's get to the Combating Burnout First of all it sounds like this guy right here has a lot going on, which is awesome. Good for you. That's killer. Welcome to life, right?

Now, a couple things, right? And I guess this might be a little bit of a theme tonight, but you got to make it fun, right? Instead of viewing these things like an oppressive grind, I mean, just the way that, you know, the mats, I go on the mats, I don't have time and life is making huge demands. And I'm trying to do just gymnastics strength training, but without an, no. collecting my wife and it's like everything is a grind no it's not you have the opportunity to do gym that you got a wife and you got a dog that's that's that's awesome as echo would say that's dope right there so what you know instead of looking at him like that let's look at them at what we can do to get more done okay first of all what kind of time constraints can you put on things right force yourself

to do some things faster okay um for instance reading first thing in the morning. I don't know. I don't agree with that. Like, why would you get up in the morning and read? Reading? No, end of the day. Okay, playing music first thing in the morning, playing music should be fun and enjoyable, as should be. So getting up and going, okay, I'm to go play music. You're turning it into a labor, right? You're turning it into a labor. It should be something that's down, winding you down at the end of the night. So when you wake up in the morning do something that requires some discipline and has you get after it a little bit and wakes you up a little bit more right you know another thing is you know jiu jitsu how this is a weird question

how fast can you train jiu jitsu because i can tell you for many many years and also what part of jiu jitsu is important to you and what part of you're getting the most out of because for many many years, especially once the war started, when I would show up to train basically at the end of class. And I still do this sometimes. I show up when Dean is done teaching, when Jeff is done teaching. Believe me, if I had unlimited hours, I would sit there and absorb everything that they have to say. I learned something from Dean the other day. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I learned from Dean the other day. I couldn't believe that I didn't know it. I couldn't believe that I didn't know it. I couldn't believe how well it worked and I couldn't believe that

that bastard never taught it to me, which made me really angry. But that's the way it is. I've been training for 20 years and he taught me a basic fundamental thing that I did not know. So if I could, of course, I'd be in there all time, you know, learning, absorbing Glover's the same way. Glover teaches you little things and he goes, oh, you should do this right here. Oh, man, how did I not know that? So I would learn all I could, but I don't know what's time for that. So what do I do? Show up when that stuff's over and I go when I train. get it on and and how fast is that's what I'm saying is how fast can you what what gets you the most impact in the shortest amount of time so for me it's all I always feel if I don't

have time to take an hour and a half class that's you know a 10 minute warm up 30 minutes or 40 minutes of instruction 10 minutes 20 minutes of drilling and then half an hour of rolling or however long that all put together is. But I'm going to show up for me, the most important part at this juncture in my jiu-jitsu career is the rolling. So I'm going to show up for that last, you know, 40 minutes, 45 minutes,

I'm going to get my rounds in. Maybe that's what you need to do because you can't, you don't have time to take an hour and a half class with all that other stuff. So see if you can do that. The other thing you might have to do is prioritize and execute the,

the extracurricular activities. Right? You got gymnastics going on, you got BJJ going on, you got reading, you got music going on. How do you bring those things together? Or how do you prioritize them so that you focus on? Which one's going to be the most important? That's the bottom line, right? Because you might not have time to do everything.

And so you might be just dabbling in all of them and not making any progress in any of them. So that's not good. Another thing, how can you manipulate your work schedule? What can you do at your work schedule that you could squeeze something in? For instance, do people take a lunch break? Do people take a lunch break? I haven't taken lunch in the seal teams. I didn't take lunch.

Why would you take lunch? Like, oh, I'm going to go for an hour of time and go to a place and sit down and eat. No, I'm going to eat at my desk while I'm working. So I'm never going to take lunch. So maybe during your work, people are. People are, hey, we're going to go down and have some lunch. Cool, that's when I'm going to go do, you know, 500 burpees or whatever. We go run to the gym real quick and get a workout and I'm going to do my sprints or whatever.

So see, what can you do there? Maybe you could get more work done in this time when you're waking up early because you want to get after it. Maybe that's the time when you should go to the job because no one's going to bother you. You can get a bunch of work done and then you can take a break from seven until nine when the rest of everyone's coming in with their coffee and want to talk to you. No, that's when you're working out. or that's when you're doing something else. So how can you maximize it?

I used to do this when we used to have to write evaluations for all of our guys. And it's a big pain in the Navy and they have to be perfect and they're getting recording guys record. So you want to be perfect. You want to take the effort because this is how the guys get evaluated so they can get advanced. So you want to take your time with it. But during we get, you know, I was in charge so I get these big stacks of evils that have to go through and it's correct.

It's basically doing corrections of papers over and over and over again until they're perfect. And it's meticulous work. And so what I would do is during that time period, it would take like a month to get it done. I wouldn't work out first thing in the morning. I would go to work immediately in the morning. And while everyone else was either not there or I would work.

I would work. And then when everyone showed up, you know, at 11, I'd go work out during lunch and just, you know, if you want to come talk to me, because everyone always wants to talk to you, right? So I'm going to say to you, you can't just leave me alone because I'm trying to work. but maybe you, so how can you manipulate your work to maximize what you're getting out of it?

Another thing is maybe take a little break from some of the activities. Maybe take a break from music. Maybe take a break from, or maybe you say, oh, you know what? I've been doing an hour of music a day. You know, I'm going to change that. I'm going to do for the next month, I'm only going to do 15 minutes just to keep my skills maintained, but I'm not going to progress and I understand that. or maybe you take a break from the mats for two weeks.

I can tell you if you're training every day, a two week break from the mat, in many cases, myself, definitely, I take a jump up. I get better if I take a break. That's why I travel for me.

I don't like it when it goes on all the time, but I go away for six days and don't train. I come back and I feel a little bit better. I have some stuff gels in the brain. So, yeah, I have no problem. That used to make Dean,

one time I came home, one time I came home from deployment. and Dean and I were training and I was just so fired up and I was kind of smashing him and I'm yelling at him I've been on deployment I've been overseas

what are you been doing back here how come I'm crushing you blah blah blah I'm just crushing him that day and so he went home that night and he made us this is when you had to burn CDs he made a he made a CD that was called

Killed Jock that was all of his favorite whatever metal songs and he came back and the next day he came back and destroyed me killed Jock yeah he did kill Jock

talk with that next day. But, yeah, so taking a break some time just to just to focus on some of the other stuff. The other thing, okay, you got your wife and your dog, spend time with them while you're doing these activities, right? Your dog can go running with you, right? That's awesome. Your dog can come to the park, watch you do pull-ups, right? Your dog can chase the kettlebell that you're throwing or whatever, the shot put or

the medicine ball. You can have, be careful if you're throwing your kettle by the dog. That might have been bad. bad advice. You know, you throw kettlebells. I was with my buddy. We were in New Jersey one time

and we went through kettlebells. It was wintertime. And we were throwing kettlebells and the kettlebells would get, it was part of the workout was you had to dig the kettlebell back up out of the mud. Oh, right, right.

It was pretty funny. Anyways, so my point would say that if you threw your kettlebell and it hit a dog, it would not be good. So don't do that one. But take your dog with you to the park, go have fun, hang out.

And same thing with your wife. What your wife does? doesn't want to do some jiu-jitsu. My wife did jiu-jitsu before she was pregnant, so much she was coming to the gym with me all the time. She was training, and then you're just, let's bring it into the family a little bit. Get her in, she, gymnastics.

Get your Tim Ferriss acro yoga on with your girl, right? That's the same thing. Get her in the game. Have her lay down some vocal tracks, right? Got maybe little backing vocals from mama. Let's hear what that sounds like. and that way you're doing the stuff that you want to do but you're bringing your family into the game a little bit

and like I said man have fun because all these things that you're talking about even being a prosecutor which I'm sure like you said embeds you and just violence and disturbing things all the time and it's a challenging job but but enjoy that challenge and how can you do it better and how can you win you know I'm gonna have fun with it I had fun all the time.

I had fun overseas. I had fun in Iraq. I had fun in the bowels of a ship where I was deployed on for six months. I'm going to have fun and laugh hysterically at things. And it's the same thing with music and with working out and Jiu-Jitsu. And you've got to enjoy them all. And just like when you're on the mat,

you're competing against these young monsters. Just try and compete with everybody. Just try and get better. Because that is winning. And that's what's going to make you better in the long run. Because that'll make you stick with things. Make you stick with them. Because if you don't enjoy jiu-jitsu, why would you do it for 25 years?

If you don't enjoy music, why would you keep practicing it? So my final thought on this man, my brother, have some fun with this stuff. Yeah, that dang him being a prosecutor, that's the kind of job where even when you go home, bro, it's still in your mind, you know? so as far as the whole experience it's like dang this is my job is taking up so much time it's true so yeah i would imagine that would make it more of an like a difficult thing to balance you got to figure out that way to leave your job at leave your job at work yeah right we want to excel at it i just had this conversation with the guy today just because if you're looking at your you can't the way you're going to do your job better as a prosecutor is not by just being 100% focused on that 100% of the time.

You will not do a better job. If you do a good job, if you focus on that a lot and you still do jit-sue and you still train and you still get after it and you still, how many good ideas? I have so many good ideas that come to me when I'm working out when I'm doing yard work because you've got to get, you've got to give your brain a little space to think. Right. It's just like planning a seal operation. If you're sitting there looking at the map from two inches away the whole day trying to get this plan perfect You're not going to see everything and it's the same thing with any job that you have if you get yourself Totally wrapped around that job. You're not going to have the the proper detachment from the job to see the bigger picture

So you must get some space between you and your job so you can think properly Yeah and just like and that other element like everything you do Studying working out is like this where you you you work You get your reps and then you get your rest. You can't be doing pushups all day every single day. You won't get stronger actually. Yeah. So when, you know, just like studying where they say like, I guess when you study or memorize

or both, whatever. And then you go to sleep, that's when they get your neural connections. Get solidified? Yeah, when you sleep. That's not when you're studying. So if you're cramming for a test for two days straight, no sleeping, you know. That won't help you as much as studying for four hours properly, getting some good sleep. Get your rest, yeah.

So that's the same thing with the job, you know, get grind on the job. And then, man, forget about it for a little bit. When you come back, it's going to be. It'll make you better. The same, it's weird. Coincidentally, that's what I just said happens at Jiu. Exactly right. Just said that.

You know, exactly right. And a little tip in, I don't know if this would, I know this because I know how that feels when you're like, dang, I work so much and I don't have time to go workout or whatever. Or I'm always pressed for time or whatever. You can kind of overlap the two. So what I did, okay, I'd go to work. And then right after work, I'd go home, I'd change, and then I'd go to the gym. And then I'd be like, man, I don't have time for anything.

If I expect to work out as much as I need to in my mind or as much as I want, I don't have time for anything else because you think you kind of do have time when you start to overlap. So, and this is sound real obvious and simple, but sometimes you kind of, you miss these little things. So what I ended up doing, which a lot of people do is they'll just, you just bring your workout clothes and your pre-workout to work and then go straight to the gym. You saved yourself all kinds of time. Yeah. You actually got your workout. You saved 40 minutes just by doing that.

That was your workout. And that's not to mention you, when you go home, a lot of time you have this, a lot of time it's subconscious too. So you start to just mellow out. Oh, I'm home home. So the chance of you skipping a workout become sorry. That's a different thing for sure. But that seems like an obvious thing. You know, like yeah, bring your, if you're going to work out afterward, it seems obvious, I know.

But there's other things just like that. in life or let me just overlap them just like eating lunch at your desk. Yeah, same exact thing. It's just straight up efficiency. Yeah, yeah. We'll have to do a whole podcast on just how to be more efficient. Yeah, so if you're keeping your eyes open

for okay, how can I overlap here, overlap there and you'll be like, oh dang, I got two hours at the end of the day right now. Or just more time to do more stuff, you know? Yeah. So just keep your eyes open, man. And the jiu-jitsu thing too, back to the jihsuzee real quick. The, you said, try to focus on like the parts that.

that help you the most. Like come in, you know, don't quote unquote, for lack of a term, waste your time on like the warm up and, you know, if that's not where you get the most learning. Before you do that, clear it with the instructor. Oh, yeah, that's right. I don't dig it when you just skip the warm up, roll in when it's time to roll. In fact, that's like a thing.

So you got to say. Like I'll do that too. Talk to your instructor and say, hey, I'm working a bunch right now. I got this case going on and I got to get through it. And so I'm only to come three times a week. and all I have time for is just to come in and roll. Is that cool with you? What are they going to say no?

Yeah. Or just say at this time. Because if you say, I can only have time to roll, they're like, oh, you want to skip my lesson then? That's the part you chose to skip. So you say, I can only come in at this time. Well, I've been in that situation where, you know, I've been working on this thing and also other schedules.

I had my new baby and all this stuff. So it's like, dang, the only time I can come in realistically was that to get there at like 1235. Just to get you rolling. Yeah. When, you know, the instruction starts at noon. And then I know Jeff was like, yeah, cool, food, these, you know, higher belt thinks he can just roll.

I don't know if he thought this or not. It's probably me being, I felt it. But it could have been me being paranoid. Greg encourages that, by the way, Greg Train. He encourages if you get more out of just rolling than you do the lesson, like when you get to a certain belt and you're, you know how your learning starts to take shape, like what you learn better? He encourages it, but...

The only thing is that, like, I just saying what I just learned from Dean the other day, and how, what other things have I missed? Yeah, but that's an opportunity cost situation, you know? Yeah, but dang, that's important stuff. Maybe I missed it. But that could be every day. I always, like, even if I'm, if I get there a little late, I'll be like, I'll look and see what moves they showed.

And I'll figure out if there's anything I didn't know. Yeah, but how can you figure out if there's something you didn't know? No, because I say, hey, what did you teach today? Or I'll watch guys like, what did you guys learn? What did you guys go over today? And I saw this and I'll go, hey, Jeff, how does that work? Or I'll say, hey, Dean, what's this thing here? So I'll just ask them, you know.

Basically reteach the whole class. No, not reached because like you just said, my learning is developed. So all they need to say is, hey, we went over this escape right here. We went over this finish and here's how you do it or this transition. Right, right. So. With that one, yeah, you got to kind of communicate. Respect your instruct.

Yeah, you totally go. I don't know. Next question. I've encountered an issue in the workplace. I've never dealt with before. I'm a former Air Force STO. STO. Yeah, it's like a combat controller.

They call in aircraft. They set up, they call for fire. They set up, they set up air strips in the field. Really cool job. Okay. Okay, as it says here, or as you may affectionately know us as combat control. Okay.

I'm not a civilian, mechanical engineer in the oil and gas industry through attrition the people i work closely with have learned a little about what it is i used to do i'm treated noticeably different as a result for example some refer to me as mr s f now my current approach is just to laugh it off and ignore it but how can i respectfully indicate that when i'm in the office i'm not that anymore and no different than anyone else. Well, I think you're taking the right approach, and that is to ignore it.

I think there's probably something about your history, right, that people get a little bit either intimidated or are comfortable with in some way because they think all of a sudden, you know, you're this different type of thing. But I think it is definitely something where, well, in the SEAL teams, the minute you say, hey, don't call me that.

Like people, that's your nickname for life. if you say that. So, you know, I think, you know, for one thing, it sounds like you're not referring back to your time and the service a lot. But another thing is don't, a subtle thing is don't answer to, you know, Mr. S.F, just don't answer to it.

And they're not saying you have to be a jerk about it. But if someone says, Mr. S.F, hey, Mr. S.F, you just like keep doing what you're doing. And so don't reinforce that that's what they should call you, right? That's just like a basic, a basic thing. But I think you're doing the right thing. And, I mean, if you ever wanted to say something about it, again, the minute you say something about it, now all of a sudden it turns into a big deal. Now people are whispering like, hey, he doesn't like to talk about it.

Right, right. So now we're in that situation. He doesn't like to talk about it. So, man, just ignore it. Keep working. And, I mean, carry on with your mission with these guys in the gas oil. And there's a bunch of veterans in the gasoline industry. I don't know why they're, you know, um,

When we work with gas owners, you know, a bunch of vets. Maybe that's more on the front line troopers. But, man, I met a bunch of, no, a bunch of veterans. So, I don't know. Maybe they, maybe they saw a little reaction they got from you. Yeah, yeah. So let's make sure we're not doing that. Just ignore it and carry on.

The best thing you can do, right? You know, in the SEAL teams, if somebody does something that annoys you, do not show it. Same thing in like my family with my kids. Man, when my kids figure out that something, annoys one of my other kids they just relentless annihilation with that whatever that thing is

and I did that when I was a kid I was you know my sisters and I we were so mean to each other on whatever and that's sort of I don't know I guess that's sort of a tradition in my family is you know it's sort of a tradition of no emotional mercy right if you find something

you're just going to grind on it and that's the way that's the way it works and also no credit no credit will be given there's no credit we'll be given you know it's like oh oh yeah whatever so uh but yeah man ignore it they'll get over it kind of like on lion heart remember the lionheart when he's like he goes it's a van damn movie man anyway he goes into the final thing against a big guy you should do another podcast without me where you talk about cheesy movies bro i'm telling you it's to say it doesn't

matter the movie cheesy or not it's the exact same concept you can't show it so he goes in broken rib all the money's on you know the table whatever broken rib he's like he gets hit in the rib oh no he doesn't get hit in the rib he like he goes to hit him in the rear and he flinches like all quick and the guy the big guy he's fighting goes he boom he flinches all quick and he goes see what I'm saying can't show that no good is it ever okay this is next question by the yeah next question yeah sure all right this isn't just my question I'm busting out in the middle of that last one. Okay, yeah. Is it ever okay to violate core values to achieve a goal? Okay. So first of all, really obvious your values and your goals should be aligned. They should not be adversarial.

They shouldn't be countered to each other. And if you think about what your goals are, your goals should be set up in a way that they support your values and vice versa. That's just the way it is. So I'm not sure where this is going to be an issue. If you're setting up goals that are contrary to your values, you've got some issues. Now, I guess if you had the goal of winning the Blue Belt Jiu-Jitsu championships and in order to win, you cheated, like you claimed someone was reaping your leg and you said, oh, you tap and you get the guy to qualify it and you win, that could be an example, right? Now, do I support that? No, you know, that's wrong. You go win against the values of, actually the values of martial arts

to do that. So you didn't win anything and you didn't achieve your goal because you weren't actually the best. Right. So I say no on that one. Another one, let's say you wanted to make a certain level of profit at your company. So you cheated a little bit on the quality of the manufacturing and you sold items that weren't quite reliable. Do I support that? No, right?

And why? Let me tell you why. Because your goal is not even aligned with your goal itself. Because when you start making substandard manufactured items, what's going to happen in the long run? People are going to say, we don't like these. We're not going to buy them anymore. So you didn't win.

You might have won in the short term, but you didn't win. And again, you're going against your value. You should have values that you don't want to take profit over making good product. And again, in the long run, that value is going to. going to cost you, right? People aren't going to want to buy your product anymore. Okay, another one I could think of, like, let's say your goal was to lose weight or to gain weight or whatever, some kind of positive physical change. And so you're working hard, but then you decide you're going to jump on steroids, right? You're going to jump on steroids.

And you get that goal, right? Because steroids are a huge advantage. But again, I say no, because if you think about what your goal is. Like, why are you trying to gain weight or lose weight? your goal is to be is to be healthy right that's your value is you value your health and so when the minute you start doing something that's counter to your health well that's not that's not helping your long term it's your value is not aligned with your goal and your goal is not aligned with your value so get them lined up so now might we at some point compromise our values compromise our values to reach a goal I think that changes the answer a little bit right We might compromise.

Remember that question that we had about the people that are snakes and how do you work with them? You know, should you work with someone that's dishonest or backstabbing, but they're a cog in the machine of your team? And your values, right? They might be to call the person out and say, hey, you're a backstabber and I don't want to work with you. That might be what your values tell you to do. But your goal, and if you do that, first of all, you don't. progress. You don't,

your team doesn't work better together. They work worse together. And so in the long run, you don't win because you stuck hardcore with your values. And by the way, if you bend your values, you compromise your values a little bit to get through this transitional period, now you get promoted.

Now you get in a situation where you can fire that person. That's a backstabber. So you have to compromise your values as a person a little bit. And you know, there's the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So you might compromise your value short term working somebody that you're not totally aligned with value-wise. And again, if you're going to get the long-term strategic goal, well, then maybe it's worth it because it's going to put you in a position where you can then hold your values better from a senior position or from a more powerful position.

So you might compromise them a little bit. Again, these are small compromises. And you should have things. Of course, we got things that values that you're never going to compromise on. Right. Hitting a girl. Yeah. Right.

You should never hit a girl, right? Never hit a woman. Now, with that being said, if there's a woman that's about to do something truly evil, you know, kill a child. or some kind of a terrorist act, and the only thing you have that you can stop it is to hit her, well, guess what she's getting hit? You know what I mean?

So even then, your value of never hitting a girl can be compromised momentarily while you stop a child from being murdered or whatever. Yeah. You know, we hold a value if we always want to tell the truth. But if you had an extreme example, if you had some kind of a state secret and and you got captured.

Of course, you might lie about that. And there's little, I mean, we could get into a whole, like, white lie discussion on stuff. Like when your wife asks you, how's the chicken? And you want to tell her it's the most dry and charcoal tasting item that you've ever put in your mouth? That's not going to help you long term. No.

So I might compromise my values of being truthful. And tell her, it's pretty good. Can I have some more ketchup over here? Can I get some more barbecue sauce on this? Catch up on chicken. And I'm going to go grab some more water. Would you like so? So I might compromise my values a little bit there.

So I guess what I'm saying is, and people, this is the thing. People probably what they think of my persona. Because people will think, oh, I'm chocolate going to be this. uncompromising, never settle, allow no slack kind of person, right? That's what people want it, want, you know, want, I guess want to see me as, but the reality is reason, right, reason and thought can override values for the right reasons. And that's why we can think.

That's why we can think. And there's actually times, there's, there's actually times, there's, actually times when holding your values goes against your values. So if you always back up your friends, right? You always back up your friends. But then your friend does something that's totally immoral and is against your values. Well, then you can't back up, you can't hold the value of backing up your friends because guess what? They did something immoral. They did something that was wrong. And so if you held your values, you'd be not holding your values. That's the dichotomy there, right? That's the dichotomy. And the additional dichotomy is,

You hold your values, right? You hold to those basic principles that you believe in. But at the same time, you've got to apply logic and reason to them to make sure that they are supporting your long-term goal and your long-term values. Because you don't want to make a hard stand on something that costs you everything where now and the future you can no longer manipulate any more situations. That's one of the things that makes leadership and life hard is that it is. black and white. It isn't black and white. It's gray. And so our decisions on these very things, these are the challenges of leadership. And there's no right or wrong answer of saying if it's right or wrong to violate your values to achieve a goal. That initial question, there's too many

variables in that. There's too many variables. But start with this part that I started the whole answer with. Align your values with your goal. That's where you start. and then you use reason and logic and thought to determine your actions based on the situation weighed against your values. You have to think. Yeah. So given what you're saying. Yes. So it's less like just values like you have a dinner plate with here's my values kind of thing.

It's more of a hierarchy of values. So you will violate your values if it's on, you know, level two for a level four. You know what I mean? Like, I'll hit, I'll knock a girl right out if it's in the way of my higher value, which is protect your family. Protect my family, kids, you know, all this stuff. Same thing with girls, don't mess. Ladies out there, don't mess with that goes family.

Please don't. Coming at you. You know, obviously same thing with, you know, the, you know, it's riding on your, or backing up your friend. Yeah. You know, my value is backing up. My friend, that's level two. You know, the whole immoral thing, assaulting a girl, I don't know, whatever that, you know.

Yeah. That's level four. So, sorry, number two. You know, I'm going for number four kind of. So it's like a hierarchy. Yeah, you got a little hierarchy values. Of values. There's some, you know, obviously there's some that I can't, you know, you could give any of one of your highest values that you could come up with.

And you could sit here and theoretically come up with a situation where you would sacrifice that value. Yeah. And that's the hierarchy. That's just the way it is. Yeah. So that's why we're humans. We have the ability to think. We have the ability to reason.

And sometimes you might have to compromise your values a little bit to survive. Right. Yeah. To survive and get so that you can long term carry out your values to a higher degree. Yeah. Yeah. And back to the people want to lose weight, you know. Yeah.

if usually people who I don't know I guess I would imagine that usually people who take steroids their value isn't the health it's like because people typically unless it's a medical thing you know that's a good point you know the steroids ain't for it's for to win or to be cool yeah which is kind of strange but you know it's usually to win a competition or something like this but but nonetheless I think that holds

true given what you said and I think it's kind of kind of coming together there I think that it is like a hierarchy of value. Yeah, yeah. And if someone's going to use steroids to cheat, that's, I mean, even that, it's a whole another discussion. Yeah. But what are they really proving? What are they really winning?

Right. Yeah. And that goes back to remember, I forget what we were talking about. Like, some people, like, they want to, they want to appear to win, you know, especially now you can see it on, like, online. You don't spend that much time at, like, just cruising Facebook. But you see, you can see someone that you. No. I don't know. They're about to murder each other, husband and wife. They hate each other.

They don't even sleep in the same room, but they went on vacation with their kids or whatever. And they're like, oh, so in love in front of the Ferris wheel or the waterfall or whatever. And you're like, bro, you just want people to think you win. You just want up here that you won, you know. But it's not real. That's why people cheat. Yeah. That's why I like the guy, the Jiu-Jitsu thing, when they're like, okay, I'm going to say this guy, my leg, I'm going to tap. Oh, he's D-Q, you can't do that. But you know, you cheated kind of thing. His goal wasn't to win.

It was just to get the medal. So it's, you know, getting the medal is to appear. But he's just, he doesn't have the proper values, actually. Or be the winner. He needs to check his values. He needs to check his hierarchy of values. That's what he needs to do. Yeah, so he didn't want to actually win.

He wanted the medal to appear. that he want kind of thing. Next question. Is there any way to recalibrate the flight or fight response? I get that excess in adrenaline.

Oh, I get that excess in adrenaline that gives me the wobbly legs and the flight response. How do I go about remapping my reaction? Well, absolutely. And I'm not 100% sure what situations you're talking about, but any type of danger, right, gives you this flight

or fight response. So train. It starts with training. Jiu-Jitsu, boxing, moitai, wrestling, shooting, competing, right? You get used to those butterflies when you compete, you get those butterflies and you get used to them. And so train and get used to seeing how that reaction, what's that adrenaline feels like and also get used to understanding what the superior action is, right? Fight or flight. Because sometimes flight is the correct response. Sometimes fight is the correct response. But what you want to do is you want to be able to assess and dictate which response you're

going to give and not just do whatever your instinct tells you because sometimes your instinct might be wrong. And so again, I don't know what you're actually the situation where you're going into, but whatever it is. because people get the fight or flight response to, to everyday things, too, like public speaking, right? Oh, yeah. Rock climbing.

And that's why I say, you know, do these things, training them. So public speaking, rock climbing. You know, if you want to get good at rock climbing, you want to get over that fight or flight response when you get out, go rock climbing. You'll get used to it. You scared of heights, go start parachuting,

you know, you'll get used to it. You're scared of the water, get worked up and go through. swimming and then come scuba certified just the things that you're not comfortable with get comfortable with being uncomfortable and i while you're doing them too while you're doing them pay attention you got to detach a little bit when these things are when you're training detach a little bit and see what is going on your mindset see what red flags that you can see what things will make you aware of the fact that your nerves or your adrenaline and your

You're feeling yourself clenching your fist. You know, okay, Sam, crunching my fist. Be aware of it so that you can change it. So you can adjust it. And put yourself, again, put yourself into these scenarios and escalate them so they get harder and harder and harder and worse and worse until you're, until you start to get control of these things. Bray, I hear something weird.

It's not weird. You're not going to think this is weird. But what I used to get super nervous about, fight or flight response. Public speaking, right? Yeah, but that's not. That's not the story. Not not worse necessarily, but just a different thing is like confrontation. You know, like, hey, whether someone's confronting me or someone or I got to confront someone, you know, it's like this barrier.

You know, you know, some people, they'll just step back and forth that barrier. They'll confront you and then go back to just be like, all right, I'm going to go back to work kind of thing or school, whatever. But, man, I've always seen it when I was younger, whatever. as this barrier that it's like you don't cross until it's 100% go time so anytime i'm close to the barrier it's like you get super nervous because like dang is it go time is this confrontation mean physical fighting or just in general physical in general anything like if something happened with somebody you were working with and they lost something and you had to go confront them on it you that would make you get fight or fight anything you know how we're just cruising you know fully

And let's say me and you're cruising and say, oh, talk about him. And I'm teasing you about something. And then you like didn't like something. And then it got, it went from like this to like, you know what I mean? Like you didn't like what I said or something. You're like, hey, I didn't like that. And it became this thing like, okay. Oh, all of a sudden, we're like that.

Yeah, yeah, for whatever he's in. It's that. It's the, it can be cruising. I can be on good terms with someone. Once it goes bad, it's like to me, I just looked at it as this. just this huge barrier. So I actually, I actually get something like that.

And for me, what it is, same thing, but when as soon as I feel it, you know what I do? I go. Like I go. If I have a default address. I just default because,

and sometimes what bothers me, sometimes you know, you don't always have the opportunity. Like, let's say I get an email. Someone says, hey, I really didn't like the way this happened and blah, blah, blah. It'll bother me.

And especially it'll bother me if someone will say, hey, for instance, this is the kind of thing that would bother me is someone says, hey, you did this. It seemed like, you know, you were putting me down in front of all these people. I would feel bad about it, right? And I'd be like, it would drive. And so the only way for me to get over it is I want to talk to him and say, hey, man, this is what I did.

I'm going to send out an email to everyone to make sure that they know that that was, you know, what wasn't my, you know, say that you did a great job or whatever. Just try and make it. Right. But the only, otherwise, it just turns, it burns me up and I have to confront it. The thing that bothers me. And I used to, like, I recognize this now. When I was younger, I might not recognize it.

I would just sit there and I wouldn't know what to do. But now I know the solution. The solution is when something's bothering you, you go and you address the problem. You know, like my kids will do something and I'll be all angry about it. And I just go, oh, what do you do? You know, what are you doing? Why did you do this? Here's the impact it has on the family.

here's the impact it has on your life. Here's some other opportunities that you might miss out now. Here's some things that you could do better. You know, here's some corrective actions. We could take whatever. The worst thing I can do is just sit there and hold it inside. Not a good thing to do. Yeah.

And I knew that fully. I mean, that it's not a good thing to do. But it was just one of those things that that really induced that fight or flight. Like response and the strange thing, you know, it helped a lot. Even just in regular confrontation, it's a specific type of confrontation. It's not the kind of. where you know how like you say something then you leave and then you think back and wait did I insult him yeah yeah that bothers me but that to me I'll call you right now like hey I said that's

no problem the kind of it's the only kind of stuff the or the only stuff that did it was stuff that to cross this line puts us on bad terms temporarily or permanently it puts us on like not good terms anyway it was that kind of thing but unless you know what totally helped was Jiu-Jitsu. Totally helped it. In what way? Where I still don't want to, but if I think that the competition has to go down for whatever reason, it's just way easier to do.

Yeah. Just slap, bump, roll, let's do it. Yeah, kind of a thing, you know, but I mean, you got to do it crack. You don't lose your temper or go in, I'm going to go in mad. You just, you can address the problem, but the key isn't about like, okay, I'm good it, you know, bringing up and going through barriers in regards to confrontation. It's not that. It's that barrier no longer produces that response.

So I can dance up to the barrier. If it gets crossed, it gets crossed, you know? And it's like, whatever. Not nervous about it. Not nervous about it. Which makes you more comfortable crossing the barrier. If need be, whatever. And Jiu-Jitzy helped you get there.

Yes. Ideally, I'm not going to try to cross the barrier as far as being good terms, bad terms. I'm not going to try to go to bad terms anytime, you know, or be impolite or something. I don't think it's not. But, I mean, that's more depends on what kind of person you're, I think. I think. But like I said, the key for me or the element, the critical element there was that barrier, how I felt about being near it or crossing it or not crossing it, whatever.

Didn't cure it, but it helps so much. Okay. I won't make the story long, but. We are all hoping that you do not. Actually, this is actually after I started to do this, but just an example. So I was doing video work for this guy. I'm not going to say who it doesn't matter. and he had found out that I was doing other video work.

I don't know, maybe he had a sense of like owner. I don't know. He knew that or he found out or knew that I was doing video for it. Not a competitive thing or nothing like that, but just other video work kind of like, hey, wait, you're not spending all your time on my stuff kind of thing. That's what I got the sense of, but nonetheless. And it had to do with travel. You know, so I was traveling here and I'm like, hey, I got to go because I have to travel now to this other place.

And it's kind of like, that's where I felt it. nonetheless. So the video wasn't due till like this certain date and then I was like yeah my prediction I should have it by this date which was way ahead of the date by the way

and then that day I didn't have it and I was like oh you know I didn't think it was going to be a big deal because it just didn't seem like a big deal your predicted date didn't get there it wasn't the due date right right not even make okay yeah and then so I was like oh I don't have it you know

I've been working on it but you know know I don't have it maybe tomorrow like something like that like maybe it's like one hour I'll have it free it wasn't an hour but it was like I'll have it to you soon and and he was like I thought given kind of our history or whatever I thought he's been like okay well cool tomorrow let's we'll see it tomorrow I'm excited to see it kind of a thing that's what I was expecting um but he was like he was like oh okay tomorrow um you know I'm I'm really disappointed that you don't have it for me right now and I was really expecting to have that to see something and I'm really disappointed that you don't have anything for me right now. And I was like, boom, heart just beating this on the phone too, by the way.

It's not like, oh, I was confronted and, you know, anything. It was just that. And brought to the point where I didn't even know what to say. So what did you say? I was like, I don't even know what I said. I think it was just kind of like I didn't say anything. And it was like. So is that maybe one of the things that's caused you to really hold back?

on making a bunch of videos for a job podcast because there's a bunch of us that want to make that phone call to you well if that were disappointed just so you know we that listen to this podcast we're disappointed if that were the case wouldn't i be making wouldn't i be making videos every single day if that were the case well i wish well what can we do differently over here on our end anyway that was an that's an example just like how because really when i think about it back like that's not a big confrontation probably had a lot to do with expert too anyway Anyway, but yeah, for some reason though, generally speaking, the Jiu-Jitsu helped. As long as you have genuine intentions, I think.

Hey, that confrontation is going to come. Cool. Next question. The serious question is about indirect approach. I have a history of starting things and then giving up on them when I get bored. I'm the same way, by the way. Or anyway. A friend of mine is the same.

I'm working on it by sticking with one thing, making a website, which will be done in two weeks. I call my friend once a month, and he always tells me about some new hair-brained idea that he never acts on. I've tried suggesting that he pick one thing and stick with it, but he immediately shuts down. How can I take the indirect approach

and get him to actually follow through on things. Okay, so you're trying to help your friend prioritize and execute, which is really good to go. Your friend sounds like he needs to prioritize and execute and get some follow through going on with that as well. I would say this, you want to do a little indirect there? What I might do with him is get involved in a project with him. Like, pick one of those, when he calls up with those only's hairbrained ideas and you think

it's a decent one, say, okay, cool, let's rock and roll with that. I want to get in the game. And then lay out some deadlines. Like, hey, this is what we need to get done by here. This is what we need to be done by this point. I'll do these four items. You do these four items. And that's what we'll get going.

Here's the due date that we'll get him done by so we can make this launch. Boom, right? And then you deliver your end. You deliver your end. And then when he doesn't, now you can have a better discussion that's not so aggressive. You have a reason for it, you know? And then, you know, maybe even subtly tell him that you're, hey, can I, to go ahead and go proceed further with your idea.

Like, you're not going to do it. It's my idea now. It just became my idea, right? Because you're not going to execute because he needs to understand that idea people. That's great. I'm glad you have a lot of great ideas, but it doesn't help. It doesn't get anything done. And ideas without executions, ideas without execution, the ideas themselves literally do not

exist. Your idea is worthless. It's totally worthless. if you don't execute on it. So you have to execute in the execution of ideas into life, right? That's what it is. When you execute an idea, it's creation. It's not dreaming.

It's not thinking. It's doing. You are creating something. And that's awesome. Like just creation is an awesome thing to be a part of. and it's an awesome thing to lead and to take an idea and turn it into something that's real and create and deliver it, that's just a hugely rewarding thing in life. And he obviously probably hasn't experienced that many times.

And so how can you let him know that? Let him know that, you know, ideas mean nothing without execution and our goal is to create something. And again, I think the best way to do is to join forces with him and drag him along. so he can get that feeling of the satisfaction of how good it feels to make something happen. Now, the bad news is if he doesn't, like if he doesn't do his things, he doesn't do his part, you can coach him, you can prod him along, you can do what you can to help him. But eventually you got to go out and make things happen on your own.

I mean, that's just what you got to do. And you can't, it's very hard. I can't say you can't, but it's very, very difficult to help people. that don't want to be helped, that don't recognize their errors that have their egos too. Because a lot of people that are idea people, they'll literally tell you that.

You know, like, well, I'm an idea guy. I'm an idea guy. That's what I do over here. And, you know, you say, okay, cool, I'm going to go over here and actually make things happen. So bye-bye, your ideas. So if it's someone that's arrogant like that,

because that's a level of arrogance, right? Hey, look, I don't do this little labor stuff. I'm not a guy about execution. What I do is I have ideas. A brilliant. that's what I do over here. Those people are not going to help you. So eventually you do what you can to help them out.

You try and get him involved in some of your projects. Hopefully you can get him all the way through a project where he can see and feel the gratification of success and execution and creation. But if he never tastes that blood, he's going to be a vegetarian. That's the way it's going to go down. He's going to be a salad eater.

And that's not good. Nothing with eating salads, by the way. No, I eat salads. I eat salads with steak on them. Brow, that's so true. So my brother, we know, Jade, he does apps. Like, obviously, you know, his company, they do apps. So apps, let's say, I'm just saying in general now, apps, websites, video in my case.

So these are things, there's other industries and skills or whatever, but these are the things that attract the idea of people. Hey, I got an idea for a video. I got an idea for an app. I got an idea for a website. I got an idea. So me and my brother, we attract these people. Right. So it's like when you encounter that, it's kind of like me saying, I have an idea for the cure for cancer.

So what it does is it goes in and it targets just the cancer cells and it leaves all the other cells alone. All of them just leaves them alone, just kills the cancer cells. So let's say in like, I don't know, 100 years, that happens, right? I'm like, that was my idea. Yeah, bro, no, it wasn't. It wasn't your idea. Ideas mean that just like I said, it gets, and to say it gets annoying, I mean, that's kind of maybe not the most accurate way. For lack of better term, it's real interesting that it's not that clear to people, you know, when if you're, because execution is everything.

The idea, I think it might have been Tim Ferriss. Some, some were saying, idea is worth like super, like the super small amount. I'll even go further and say it's literally worth nothing, just like you. Just like how you said. I guess there's some granularity of, of, you know what's weird? It's a dichotomy because the idea is worthless and at the same time it's the most valuable thing, but it only gets value if it gets executed on. Otherwise, it has zero value.

Yeah. And to the execution part, execution, because here's what you get too. And I actually, in a way, was kind of one of these people where I'd be like, oh, I have all these cool ideas. So the first thing I'm going to do when I get this idea, I'm going to, go buy the domain name, right? I'm going to, you know, sell this, you know, whatever. And buy the domain name

because I'm doing it. I'm executing. Boom, step one. So that's what this guy's doing right now. You know, this guy who has these ideas and stuff, or some form of this. He's a domain. He's a habitual domain name. He's going to buy the domain name. He might, you know, he might see if the trademark or the whatever is, you know,

taken and all this stuff, he'll register. And, you know, once the, once the work starts, you're like, oh, well, I'm kind of bored. Right? That's the thing bored of that. And meanwhile, like, that's usually the fun part. You know, the excitement. Ooh, I see all the potential and all this stuff.

But when the reality starts hitting and, you know, the hills get steeper and stuff like that. Oh, the hard work. Yeah, yeah. The actual part of any idea of being materialized. Yeah. When that comes to view or comes into, you know, into play, that's when they, quote, unquote, get bored. Yeah. And when you take one, maybe two steps back, this, it's really clear because.

because you consider the percentage of people just in life who are successful in like their dream thing. I'm a computer programmer and now I own a computer programming business. I don't know. That's my example. The amount of people who have that actually happening are really few. And furthermore, you ask any one of those people, it was never like I had the idea about the domain name three weeks later. we were moving it's never that it's like oh my gosh flop on my face fail years decades a lot of the time you know it's a grind yeah and that and that's all that execution right there executing is hard

one time i sold contact lenses you know the colored contact lenses so it's totally illegal i shouldn't have done it i imported them from i don't know not to import them but i bought them from a website we going back to the values conversation kind of putting people's eyesight at risk so you can make a dollar well they weren't prescription they're all good you can buy them it was just like but nonetheless i bought them and they'd only take like five days to get here so i i knew how to make websites i knew how to do all that stuff so i just made a website color contact lenses you know and i knew about SEO and stuff like so i just made the website you know eight bucks a month or something or a year for the domain website was free because jade had the

platform where you can make websites so i sold a bunch of contacts um Halloween time Comes around. Perfect. I got a CEL. Call it contact, San Diego. Buy them from me. People would buy them. I'd be like, oh, you bought one? Let me buy it.

Just buy it from the website. It comes in. I just send them to that. Execution. Oh, so you're proud of this. I'm not proud of selling contact. I'm proud of the execution part. Good job.

And then it started got bored with it. All right. Next question. Yeah, let's go to the next question. Or this one time. Jocko, I was wondering what your opinion was on when to start a child in Jiu Jitsu. My daughter was in the game at age seven and I'm on the mats as well. My son is three and a half and it has expressed that he's very ready to start as well.

My concern is starting him too young. Him getting crushed and falling out of love with Jiu Jitsu before he has a chance to fall in love with it. This is the romance story of BJJ. Okay, so completely dependent on the maturity of the kid. Yeah. And how old was your daughter when she started training? Two. Two, I'll tell you about the circumstances.

No. Two. Two, straight up two. Less than two and a half. She's really mature, really smart and athletic and durable. So that's like as young as you're going to get. Yeah. And what

How many times a week would you go? And was there other small children in the class? Yes. You had some kind of a rate. You knew somebody that was also bringing their kidded or something like that. They had a good playmate in there. Well, you kind of need to make it happen.

It's kind of a long, I'll tell you about it for sure. Basically, you know, Matt Becker and them. It's Gracie certified training center up in Lowe. Yeah, yeah. It's a smaller gym. gym but so you know they have programs for younger kids or whatever and it's essentially like

you modify the young kids pro which is like four four makes it playing it's playing that's what it is but here's the thing you learn jiu jitsu moves and in there you'll say you'll teach them that this is jiu jitsu they don't know that you're they're they're going to tap someone out they just they're going to hold the person down they don't know that it's a mount it's a they're thinking they're trying to get out of the mount yeah they just think they're just trying to get off the bottom. Yeah. And they they have games where you balance on stuff and it works on their balance. You know, the mitts that you hit, you know, moitam. They line them up and you get to, it's like, oh, walking on the pot. So they play all these games, but it's crazy how like, it's like karate kid, man. You know, on karate kid. It's like sand, wax on wax on wax off and there. And they're, and they get good at the wax on wax on wax off. Because it's kind of fun. Well, wax on wax on. Not fun. But the stuff you do in there is fun. And then when they're like, okay, who. And it's really, you got to find the right person, man, the right teacher. Because Ben, mad. He was like, he's so gentle.

Kids are, because there's other young kids. And they're running around. You know, they're not, he knows. He knows. Not everyone's going to be paying attention. You know, you got to. And so they got to know how to deal with kids. But yeah, man, she took it and it was good.

Yeah. And there's some kids that are 11 and 12 years old that aren't ready for jiu-jitsu. Yeah. They're just not there yet. And I would also say less is more for a young kid. You know, you don't want to just. burn them out don't smoke them on that every day make them look forward pull them off the mat they want to say a little bit longer hey we got to go I mean you let them have some fun but um I burned my

kids out yeah um and I backed off in time for my son because he was younger and they didn't you know because my my daughters I was like compete train compete train compete oh I'm gonna put you in the heavier weight class the older kids bracket I mean I just did it wrong right just did it wrong and and And I didn't back off in time. And so now they train, you know, I mean, not as much as they should, right? My son trains all the time.

But I did a bad job of making Jiu-Jitsu fun, right? Because that's, and that's what, you know, that's why I like you the fact that this question, he's saying, am I starting me too young or he's gonna get crushed? Hey, you shouldn't, you know gym that you take your three and a half year old child to should be allowing him to get crushed. That shouldn't be happening.

So if you have a good gym, We got the right instructor that then go and let them have fun and make sure it just stays fun. And if they don't love it, you can't make them love it. It's not going to happen. Now, this is a good story. One of my son's friends who I always want everyone to train jih Tjitsu, obviously, but this guy is a friend of mine known for a long time. And has a son that's my son's age, and so they've kind of grown up together.

And, you know, my son's always training jiu-jitsu. And I would say, hey, you know, when they were six years old, hey, have your son. come in and try it came in and tried it one day hated it hmm year later now you know a year something like that 13 months 18 months or something comes in a year later tries it again he's like now seven years old hates it just just doesn't like it can't stand it then comes in at you know nine years old comes in loves it he trains every day now you know him he trains all the time and and and you know now he's my and and and and i'll tell you what this is what's cool is that he's,

it's not like he's a million years. It's not, so my son trained three years more, or maybe even four years more than this other kid. My son is that kid caught up, right? I mean, my son's still a little bit, a little bit better, but they're in the same game, right? It's not like, it's not like that my son has this massive lead. No, the kid loves it.

And you can learn, you can learn and get better, you know, at any age. But my point in saying that is forcing him to be in it for those three years would not have helped. He would have, he would have quit Jiu-Jitsu completely. But just having and showing it to him and saying, hey, this is what you do. And, you know, he didn't like getting choked, right? And maybe that's me, it's my buddy's son. So, hey, let's get after it a little bit. And we weren't letting him get choked.

But he just didn't like the claustrophobia of it, right? And there is claustrophobia. You're going to feel that. Even in a gentle situation with a six-year-old, if you're held down, you don't like it. Yeah. He didn't like it. Yeah.

Now he's holding people down himself. So you, you, you, basically what I'm saying is forcing someone, a kid, to do something for two years. You think you're getting this value, two years worth of value? You're not getting two years worth of value. You're actually going the other direction.

So you might as well just let them try it occasionally. And I say that sometimes kids will, at my gym, they'll, hey, you know, my son just doesn't want to do it right now. And I go, no problem. Hey, you know what? They say, I do want to make him come. I go, don't make him come. I go, don't make him come.

Let him come when he wants to. You know, you're going to stop your membership. That's cool. If he wants to come in on Saturdays, bring him in. You know, he wants to come in once a, you know, once a month to just keep him familiar. Do that. Just do that. You don't grind their brains out when they're, whatever, little kids.

Even big kids. kids, I think. You know how you say like jiu-jitsu should be fun. So if, okay, so like, okay, you ever watch a Bronx tale? You ever watch that? Okay. So there's a part on that where, you know, these biker guys, they're in the bar, you know, causing trouble. Now you just can't get out.

Exactly right. So that's what it is. And this is what this guy got to be careful. Okay, so those have never seen Bronx tale. These biker guys are in the bar and they're like causing trouble and all this stuff. And then the people there, hey, you guys. The mobsters. The mobsters say, hey, guys, please leave.

You need to get out of here. They're like, hey, we'll do whatever we want. He's like, no, no, go ahead. Hey, okay, we'll leave. Let me get one beer. And then I said, all more beer. They grab the beer and they shake the beer all over and all this stuff. So anyway, they locked the doors.

They say, hey, we ask you to leave. Now you can't leave, right? Bad situation for the biker guys. So this is what, in my opinion, this guy has to avoid. Like, if his son, three and a half is like, dang, I'm showing interest. I'm going to kind of get on the mats. I'm going to jump in here. I see what's going on.

it looks like fun, I'm going to jump in. Don't be like, hey, you want to get in. Now you can't leave. Don't do that kind of stuff. Don't do that. Leave the door open. Right. Yes, exactly.

So, as you know, presses three and a half now where she went to Matt Becker's for a while and learned it and it was cool. And now I'd just bring her with me. Just once a week when I go on Fridays or whatever. I'd bring her with me. I don't tell her jump in the class and just come. Be familiar with the mats. You see Dad rolling. You see Jocko rolling.

You see Andy. you know, and she has fun. Everyone talks to, you know, she's pretty outgoing. She has fun. Now, now she just likes them. The mess is fun. You know, everyone talks to her. She hangs with, um, she coaches you.

Crystal's son is there. Yeah, she cheers for me. Yeah. But, you know, Crystal's son is there. Aren't I her favorite J-Jitsu guy though? I know, I think it was Andy. Yeah, sorry, well. So, you know, so she likes it.

She's familiar. I'm not going to say, hey, we're here. So we got to get our reps today. No. You know, it's not that. When she wants to come like, and she will, she'd be like, hey, oh, let me show this guy. There's, I forget his name, but it's like, hey, let me show him mount.

And there's this whole series that she learned from, you know, like fighting the arms and keeping the balance, all this stuff. And she likes to do it, you know. So now she always wants to go. There you go. And at home or whatever, when, you know, my mom comes and visits, she's like, hey, let me show grandma mount. And she wants to do it, you know. Beautiful. And yeah, so that'll keep her in the game.

And when she starts getting a lot more ability, you know, age like three and a half. And also like, let's take four, five, six, seven. And she's going to start to realize, oh, shoot, I can do this stuff now, you know, because all these little things that I learned just by playing around, really. And that's kind of what you want with that. But if they look at it, this thing that my dad forced me to do it. It's so hard and claustrophobic and guys sweating on me and I'm losing the whole time because they just started and I'm rolling with Thor the whole time.

And he's, you know, killing me or whatever. And that's my experience. My whole regard for the jihitsu is going to be like, this isn't fun. There's also a little bit of rebellion in most children. In like one of my daughters, she doesn't want to train jih Tzu, but she wrestles in high school. So that's awesome.

I think that's an example. But she almost does that just to be, you know, no, I wrestle. Little does she know. She got flanked. She got flanked. So. But I don't.

But yeah, man, I think so. I mean, back to the question, I think that they're given a certain type of teacher, which I mean, the demands on a teacher for, you know, a young, even three years. Yeah, it's so hard. So you got to, it's rare to find a teacher, especially if you have a teacher who doesn't, like, do that. You know, if it's like, okay, I'm going to make an exception for this. Because I've seen guys, they're comfortable, they're friends of the gym kind of thing. And they're like, yeah, my kids too.

But, hey, we all like each other, right? Hey, jump in the kids class. He's two. He's running around. He's interrupting the class. Like, yeah, it's not good. If the kid's not ready and the teacher, that's not a compatible situation. If the kid's not ready, we'll say, hey, your kid's not ready.

Yeah. You can't be in here. Yeah. Come back in six months. You want to bring him in to watch on Saturdays. Cool. Getting familiar with that. That's what you do.

You bring him in to watch. It's the time we're going, you know, hopefully he's not disrupted. Hopefully. Well, they can't be disruptive or they can't stay. Right, right. Hey, he can't do that. Yeah. go.

Yeah. Well, yeah. So in that case, you know, it's not going to work. But yeah, that's it.

Just like how you said, just open the door. I'm cruising in here. You're looking to see the doors open. I'm cruising here. I'm doing fun stuff. Come on in. I'm not going to close the door.

I'm not going to go a Bronx tail on you, you know. That's how you do it. My opinion. Check. All right. We got time for one more. Yeah.

Okay. Jocco. Have you most? Okay. Jock. I have mostly lived a life dominated by doubt and fear. What are your thoughts on how I can step into bravery? You know, I actually took this question from Twitter

and I answered the question in one word. You've lived a life dominated by doubt and fear. How do you step into bravery? Step. That's how you step into bravery. Step. take the step, step aggressively towards your fear. And that step towards your fear is the step into bravery.

Because we're scared of what we don't know. And there is only one way to learn and to know. and that is to confront that fear. You have to step. You have to go. And this simple action, this simple attitude, it answers so many questions. So many questions.

How do you get to the gym every day? You step. You go. How do you change your diet? You step. You go. How do you overcome fear of failure or fear of success or fear of fear itself? You step.

And how do you face the fear of the unknown? You step. Don't wait anymore. Don't think anymore. Don't plan anymore. Don't contemplate anymore. Don't make any more excuses or justifications. Don't rationalize anything else.

No. No. And no. Instead, be aggressive. Take action now. And what is the first action that you need to take? What's the first step you need to take? The first step you need to take is just that.

And I think that's all I've got for tonight. So speaking of stepping, echo Charles. If somebody wanted to step up and support this podcast, what would be a good step in making that happen? Before I go into that, good day today, Warrior bars came in. I mentioned I tried the jalapeno one anyway, came in today.

Outstanding. I've been, you know this, I've been kind of off, had the stomach flu, two MRIs on my knee to see what up, two knees. So I kind of been out of the game, two weeks out of the game. Today was my first day back in the game. First day back in the game, did a Metcon, lifted some weights. Didn't do the Jujits yet.

But, yeah, fully functional, all good. Life that's meaning again. Then the warrior bars come in. Good day for Echo Charles. Great day. Warrior bars on it, Warrior bars. We talked about this before. So, all right.

Back to the supporting the podcast thing. I know you're like, what does that I have to do with supporting the podcast? So on it, worry bars. On it is supplements. I remember back in the day, back in the day. When I first, not first, but made a few years into lifting, you know how people, they'll just get supplements. Yeah.

Right. Joe Weider's super weight gain 2000. Exactly. Weight game 2000, you know, all the beta gin, phosphagen, yeah. creatine, you know, even though apparently creatine is good thing. Anyway, I, for real, I found that like supplements, no supplements, no factor. It doesn't even make a difference. Like when I was on supplements, like weight gainer, I didn't gain a bunch of weight, no more than I would without the supplements. Anyway, the point there is supplements are whack, in my opinion. And

what I found out, that you focus on the wrong thing on as far as supplementation goes, it's going to be whack. So on it.com. Slash jaco. Slash jaco. That's for the 10% off, but I'm going to get to that. Don't worry.

This has to do with supporting the podcast. So on it, they have the correct supplements. And not only the correct supplements, the good quality, because supplements don't have to be anything. They don't have to be. You have chalk pills.

And be like, increase your mood. I don't know, whatever. Increase your weight gain, whatever. But these are like legit. One of the few.

And, okay, so if you want to supplement something, don't get like weight gainers, you know. If you want to gain weight, you can do that in the correct way without supplements. This is what you supplement. You know, as you wear and tear your joints, your joints don't get much blood flow, like compared to muscles. So they tend to get more wear and tear with less, like, as far as speedy recovery goes. Your muscles recover quicker than your joints. That's what I'm saying. You know, supplement something.

Supplement that. That needs supplementation if you're getting after it. Krill oil. That was a big lead in Bro, I'm Look, I could say Take krill oil It'll help your joints

You're like, okay You know, because every commercial Or every whatever They'll be like, hey, take this It'll help this You need like some context And Like the information

That kind of backs it up You know, got to be real And this is real Nonetheless, Crill oil is one of the supplements that I recommend for your joints. I told the story about how when I'd get out of bed and I'd be like all jacked up

because my daughter would jump on my back right out of bed. You're like, you gotta warm up for that kind of stuff typically, but not anymore because I've been on the krill oil. Strong bone, by the way, for your joints as well. It's not strong bone. No strong bone.

Yeah. I don't know the reason you know that. It's just dope like that. If you're looking for it, no, gee, that's strong. That's for joints and stuff. What else do you take? Oh, Alpha Brain,

of course. So the point behind all this. Shroom tech. Shroom tech. Here's what Shroom tech does. I think everybody knows what it does. Here's the thing. I don't think so.

I'd be like, hey, it makes you get after it for longer. Whatever. But if people listen to the podcast, every time we say what Shroom Tech does. I'm going to clarify. I'm going to clarify. Okay.

You know what? Go for it. You know what? I'm going to sit back. Okay. I'm going to clarify it to you. Do it. Just agree or disagree.

agree if this is correct. Okay, so I don't even have to use scientific terms. I'm just put it into perspective. So if I'm going to... Let's not. No, no, no, no. I don't want you to use. You haven't had enough alpha brain to use scientific terms right now.

So just use whatever terms. Okay. I'm going to do a Metcon. I'm going to do a Metcon. I'm going to do like 10 rounds of Jiu-Jitsu, five rounds of J-Distu, whatever. If I'm not on Shroom Tech sport, by the way, this is Shroom Tech immune as well. But Shum-Tex sport. So it helps you like utilize oxygen.

So what that means is when you hit the, you know when you, when you're like in a car where it goes to the, when you're red lining that needle's hitting the red. Bro, you can't, you can't pull ahead when you're in the red. Can't pull ahead when you're in the red. Know that. So if you're not on the shroom tech and you hit the red and don't be halfway through your workout when you're the needle is hitting the red. You're red lining already. You can't go past. You can't push through what the shroom tech does.

If you have that in you, that needle won't go towards the red. It'll go up there. It'll go the green, maybe even in the yellow, and it'll hang in the yellow. And you'd be pushing hard halfway, three quarters, last, you know, minute, two minutes of the round. You won't even be by the red. You'll still be in the yellow. That's what the Shroom Tech does. Agree?

Agree. Boom, there you go. So take the Shroom Tech. Shroom Tech Sport, by the way. Okay, so now the slash jaco, what that signifies is you get the. 10% off. Good deal. I would say retail price is for suckers.

I would say that, but it's not true. Pay retail if you want. Or save 10%. Just go to Onet.com and just get it. Don't get the 10% off. Pay 100%. Up to you. Nonetheless, you got the Shroom Tech.

You got the Warrior Barz. It's like this dope thing as well. Look into that. Cruel oil for your joints. You get all that stuff. In my opinion, it helps. That's why. It's not like the bait.

in power gain 5,000 where it doesn't help. This is the furrow kind that helps. Understood. There you go. We're good with you. I'm telling everyone. No, I'm telling everybody else. You're over here like, I already know this.

I know you already know this, but you know, you got to put it into perspective sometimes. You just certainly did. Onet.com slash jaco. There's other things on there. And it's, you can just kind of know, you know, when you get there. You're going crazy for all. on it right now. No,

here's the thing. I like on it. I'm going crazy. You like it a lot more apparently tonight. Yeah, because I do, I do feel like,

if I would have known this, like what I'm saying now. Oh. Like before, because I'm slowly getting new stuff. Of course, I got the worry bar and I took stream tech before.

I know that. But I'm like looking, they got a new like recovery pre-workout and recovery drink. It's all in one. And I'm like, pro, if I would have known all this, I would have gotten and been in the game

with this stuff a long time ago. So you're, you're providing. a public service. I'm taking a stand right now. I'm letting it be known. We're good. Anyway. I'm just going to sit over here. I'll tell you another one that I got off the, well, I guess it's on the record,

but it's like, it's not peanut butter. You know how they have almond butter. Yeah. But it's like an almond cashew. It's like a mixed nut butter. It's pretty dope. From on it. On it. On it. I might have to try that. Yeah. No, no, most. One of the major keys is that it's like legit

quality. Get tempers. off if you go on it.com slash jaco or just go to on it.com and get zero percent off whatever you like. Anyway, another way to support is the Amazon click through. That's like what is if you don't know. You go to our websites, jaco podcast.com. Over on the side to the right, you'll see just a basic Amazon banner. You click through there before you do shopping, your Christmas shopping or your everyday shopping. and that kind of supports the podcast.

It makes Amazon or Amazon gives us like a little kickback. That's a good way to support. I made the comparison to a little piece of sodium. It's like seems like this teeny tiny thing because just clicking through Amazon and shopping. That's a teeny tiny three second effort. But it does a big deal, you know, as far as supporting. It means we don't have to run advertisements on the podcast. Yeah.

Which I don't believe it. Probably going to do it. Not going to do it. Aside from on it, but technically that's, well, yeah, that's,

you know. But I was taking on it before this. I'm telling you. Anyway. But you know what? Hold on a second while we go to a commercial break. Yeah. No.

Don't want to do that. Yeah. This isn't even a commercial break. This is a part of this is the deal. We're doing it altogether. I'm going to, if I remember to do this, I'm going to do like fake commercials during the next podcast or,

Like in a podcast in the future, I'm going to do fake commercials. And I'll make everyone just suffer through fake commercials just to see how much it's horrible. And then say, if you never want to hear that again, click through Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way, though. Speaking of fake commercials, so I did these two fake commercials, made them videos. I've seen them.

BARTIS beer. And then there's Bartis Prime, which is like a 40 ounce. It's a lot of racial stereotypes. No, but nonetheless. Back to the Amazon, click through thing. That's a good way to support. So be the sodium. If you understand.

And of course, subscribe to the podcast on iTunes. That's a big deal. And leave a review, man, if you're in the mood. Do you read the reviews, Jop? I do read the reviews. And what I noticed, I was looking at some other reviews today because I was reading. I read our reviews today. to see if there's any good input.

There was good stuff. I look at other, what this kind of got me motivated to see is that the people that write our reviews, they're getting in the game. They're writing full paragraphs with detailed likes and pros and cons and all that. You go to some other people's that have feedback on theirs,

and it's just two words. Good podcast. Or I love it. Yeah. I love it, five stars. That's, I love it, five stars, is a lot different than someone saying, And what I really like about the Jocko podcast is that they go into detail on these leadership elements that have helped me in the following ways.

And they go through the whole thing. Yeah. That's really good to support the podcast. I'll tell you this about that. Because really when you think about it, if you're just like... And some of them are funny, by the way. Yeah. And the ones for Jocko Teeth are on Amazon.

I'm going to have to figure out a way to publish those or do something with them because some of them are awesome. Eric's. Erics was insane. but there's been a few of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, those are good. I retweeted a bunch of them. Yeah.

So it's a little hard to retweet them, so I have to figure out a way to retweet them better, but capture screenshot or something. But they're so good. They're so funny. Some of them are pretty wordsmith-esque. Oh, some of them are long. Some of them it takes me, you know, six minutes to read it.

And I want to actually highlight stuff and take notes. Yeah, yeah, Adam, do the deal. But, yeah, yeah, that's a good in there. Well, When you think about it, even if someone's in the mood to write a review and they're just like, heck yeah, great podcast five stars, I say, do that. That's true too. It doesn't have to be long.

But what that is when people are like, this is what I like about it, whatever, that's just all that is is the result of someone being in the mood to write a review and genuinely writing it. Freaking awesome. Beyond writing it, I'd say that qualifies as getting after it. Getting after it. Yeah. So, you know how you say unmitigating. discipline in all things or is it getting after it in all things daily you're missing the word daily daily yeah yeah yeah just unmitigated daily discipline in all things

yep and getting after it in all things is all I know that's new but still we're going with it so so again man write a review subscribe to YouTube we're doing some more videos on top of the podcast videos excerpts some excerpts tell echo on Twitter what excerpts you So he doesn't have to figure out what you want. Just tell him what you want. Give him the podcast and the times time hack. He'll pull it out. I'll put it on there.

Yeah, I will. Yeah, that's, I think, the challenge, I think, is going back and finding them. But you know what? That's not a challenge. That's not a challenge. Well, it is a little bit because you might not, and something might not have struck you the way it struck someone else. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

That's true. And so if it's striking one person out there, it's probably striking at least four or five more people that want to hear that excerpt. So let's give it to them. So tell Echo, podcast number, timestamp. That would be easy for you, right? Yes. Because we don't want to stress you out.

No, don't stress the delicate. We know that you're sensitive to that. We don't want to be disappointed in you. Except if you're Brady, Lisa, Debbie, Andy, anyone that we taught, don't be like, hey, I like this timestamp because like we said your name on the podcast, make an excerpt. Don't say that. So those people kind of can't do that. not. All right.

I guess we're doing it. They should be. They're listening. Yeah, yeah. They probably have good input. Andy's one is going to be like 20 seconds song. Hey, that part where you mentioned this. Good.

20 seconds is fine. This is what you need to understand. Echo. People want to watch stuff that's 20 seconds long. They don't want to watch 29 minutes. That's why it's called an excerpt. Jocko. We got a store.

We do have a store. It's called Jocco store. Well, yeah, I know. We already knew this. But no real new developments there, really. But if you didn't know, that is, a good way to support and you get some stuff in return. So boom, buy a shirt. If you're

down, if you like them. This one with Jacco's face on it, it says good. Backwards. Backwards. So if you look in the mirror, it's for you. That message is for you. Layers. Anyway, yeah, look at, there's rash guards

there. Rashguards are good for, you know, the Jujits, for any physical activity where you need range of motion. Rashguards are good. They look good, too, according to people. Here's a tip for the rash guards. think for the shirts as well. If you're one of those in-betweeners, like that means your side, like, hey, I wear a large, but if it fits slim, I need an extra large, like that kind people. It fits like this much slimmer. Know that. So if you're in-betweener, everything,

rash guard and the shirt. Go big. Go to the bigger size if you're an in-betweener. Yeah, for sure. That's just a tip. Good advice. And that's good news for you, though. You know what? Out of the past 39 minutes you've been talking about this way to support the podcast, that was the most important. thing that you've said that was the valuable piece of information arguably yeah just saying over here I respect your opinion on the matter there's some women stuff too don't neglect the ladies this is in my opinion something that I overlooked if you want to support the podcast you know you know how it's like oh my girl's birthday's coming up in this case Christmas coming up I only bought my wife one thing and it was it wasn't that good because I don't have that

creative thing. If you're thinking that, get them a discipline equals freedom. Women's T-shirt, V-neck. Pink or black or whatever the color you like. But there is pink if you want get them one of that. Against my. That's it. That'll have a two-pronged effect. Boom, you get a solid shirt that you didn't, you know, get at the swap meet. They're quality stuff. They're good shirts. You know, we made it a point to get the good ones. You got a good quality shirt and she became instantly in the game. Two-pronged effect. So get that for your wife.

If you want, that's a suggestion. And three-pronged effects. Support the podcast. Boom, there it is. Some hoodie's in there as well for the cold weather. And, yeah, some patches. The official, like two-by-three, tan, F-D, flat, dark earth color. Official wear with your uniform, boom.

Available now, as they say. Anyway, jocco store.com. Also, So we got jaco white tea. Now, jocco white tea is in apparently extremely high demand. Why?

Because it tastes awesome and it also makes you feel good and it's got antioxidants which makes you healthier. Yes. And I'm not going to use any scientific terms. I'm just going to tell you. So it's been in high demand.

We have logistical issues, right? Straight up. So it's showing up at Amazon. It's getting, going through their system, just keep checking. And we've got, I told, I told everyone that we would never run out of white tea again. This was a mistake. Promptly.

I did not understand the logistic challenges that we would be facing. Now, I have not even doubled down, not even tripled down. I have quadrupled down to make the future bright. We will get to a point in the future where we will literally never run out of jocco white tea. But for now, we, but for now, keep checking back on Amazon. Sign up for the little notification thing because when they clear it through their little system, it shows up and everyone that has the notification is buying it immediately. So it's running out the other day it was up for 18 minutes or something.

It was gone. Wait, what notification? The Amazon. On Amazon. Yeah, okay. You can sign up for notify me when this is back in stock. Gotcha. So when that happens, boom, you can order it immediately.

The mugs. The mugs that say get after it on them and that have a little approved symbol with someone's head that looks a lot like me on it. You can get those on Amazon as well. And they're big. They're bigger than normal. Because bigger. That way you can fit more white tea in it and be more better. And you can get those.

Those are also, same thing on Amazon. Again, I apologize. But the way the system works, they're coming in, they show up, and then they take a certain amount of them and put them into the system. But then they don't realize yet. Amazon, Amazon doesn't, they're not in the game yet, to be quite honest with you. They're not in the game. They don't understand what's happening.

We're trying to explain it to them that people want mugs. They want, when they want mugs, they also want tea to put into the mugs. we're getting there same thing logistically we'll get to a point where we will not run out of mugs now i don't know the mugs will keep making forever i don't know because once everyone has one then they'll say okay i got mine so then we'll stop making them but you can get them on amazon you can get the t on amazon you can get the reload which is a hundred bags you can get the tin which is quality container that you can then reload with the reload so do that that's on amazon dot Also, extreme ownership muster number two in where? New York City. It's going to be May 4th and May 5th.

www.w.w.com. Go get registered. Do it fast. The price does go up the closer we get to the date. So A, I don't want you to pay more. B, it's going to sell out. So the faster you do it, the better chance you have of going and of paying a lower price. When we get there, if you're thinking that I'm not going to sit there and talk to you and I'm not going to sign your book and Laf's not going to sit there and talk to you and Laf's not going to sign your book, you're wrong. We're going to sit there. We're going to sign your book.

We're going to talk to you. We're going to address your problems. We're going to hang out. We didn't go behind the curtain at all. Zero times. Actually, we did one. When the thing was over, We walked back off stage off the stage and behind the curtain for about three minutes

because we were a little bit fired up at that point. We just walked back there and decompressed. Then came out and started signing books. That was one time. But the rest of the time, oh, we'd say, okay, everyone take a 10-minute break. We'd go to the front and sign books, right? Boom. Or talk to people or address something or whatever.

So this isn't a thing where you go and we're going to be behind the curtain and come out like I'm a rock star and I'm not a rock star. I'm not nothing. And my purpose of being here is to hang out. So that's why we're going to the muster. That's why we're having the muster. So come to the muster, New York City. Come and hang out.

You're going to learn something. I'm going to learn something. We're all going to learn something. And you're going to meet a bunch of people that are, I hate using this term, a bunch of people that are like-minded, right? Because really can two minds be alike? No, they can't be. But can two people, three people, 300,

450 people that are going to be in New York City that all want to get after it. Can they be there? Yes, they can. And they will enforce. Until we get to the muster, in the meantime, if you want to talk to us, it just so happens that we're all up in the interwebs on Twitter, on Instagram. And as you might have sent, we also on that Facebook-y boha. Echo. Echo is at Echo Charles, and I am at Jocko Willink.

And to wrap this up, thank you for listening. Thank you for listening for the past year. 52 straight weeks, no breaks. But I want to say this, I want to tell you something else. And I want to make this clear. don't just listen don't just listen do i'm i'm not just talking so you know i'm not just talking i'm doing and i don't want you to just listen put this information to work make today every day go forward get aggressive and attack whether it's on the battlefield or on the beat or in the factory

or on the farm or on the construction site or on the website in the garage or in the firehouse don't hesitate step step forward and get after it so until next time time this is echo and jocco out