Jocko Podcast - 521: Obey Your Own Orders. Discipline vs. the War in Your Head
Episode Date: December 31, 2025>Join Jocko Underground< Jocko and Echo break down why “discipline wins wars” is not just about D-Day and SEAL teams, but about the quiet war in your own head every day. Using a 1944 Army pa...mphlet, combat lessons, and real-world examples (from donuts to debt to doom-scrolling), they show how tiny daily choices add up to victory or defeat—and how to train yourself to obey your own orders so you can actually reach your long-term goals.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content
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This is Jocko podcast number 521 with Echo Charles and me.
Jocker Willing.
Good evening, Echo.
Good evening.
Discipline wins wars.
Are you aware of this?
I could connect those dots for sure.
I think we've been talking about it for about 10 years here.
I understand.
Discipline wins wars and not just the wars, the actual wars that are fought on the battlefield,
but also the wars that are fought in your head every day.
discipline is required in order to achieve victory discipline is required in order to achieve freedom and there's nothing
new by the way this has been around this is as old as history we know that discipline is what we need
and yet even with that even even though everybody knows discipline is what we need it can still
be difficult for people to process and it certainly can be difficult
for people to implement it in their own lives.
You know that saying,
do what I say, not what I do?
That's a thing where it's like,
it's easy for me to impose discipline on you.
Yeah.
Be like, echo, you need to get up early.
Echo, you need to work out.
Echo, you need to not eat donuts.
It's, but I actually have a saying.
Yeah.
Which is do what I say,
not what I do,
because I'm over here sleeping
and not lifting and eating donuts.
Yeah.
And so they have a saying,
to to remedy that or try and put some pressure on individuals because it's harder for us to impose
discipline on ourselves than it is for us to impose discipline on other people in fact people
kind of enjoy imposing discipline on other people that's like a little a little power trip right
yeah that's but it's kind of embarrassing as well that we can't discipline ourselves yeah part of it
too is a weird thing there's a weird dynamic that you know when you you you you you
used to lift with a lifting buddy.
Yeah.
Hell, yeah.
How often would you just not show up for that lifting butter?
I don't know that that's ever happened.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Now, how often were you planning to work out tomorrow just a load and it didn't go down?
A few more times for sure.
So we would rather, we have no problem, individual human beings, we as human beings,
have no problem just letting ourselves down.
Yeah.
But generally speaking, we don't want to let down our friends, our team, our, our, our,
community, right?
We don't want to be known as a person that didn't show up,
that did, that did,
that didn't make the sacrifice for the team.
So we don't want to be that way.
But it's, it's known.
It's just known that the discipline life will make your life better.
I want to take you back to April 1944,
volume two, issue number 15 of a little pamphlet called Army Talks.
an army talks was a classified official publication of the united states army in the european
theater of operations and they wanted to get soldiers aligned in their minds they wanted their
minds to be aligned as they looked on the horizon they saw on the horizon d day right d day was
eminent you're looking at this war hey we got to go at some point we got to go we got to go
We got to go to France.
We got to go to Germany.
We got to beat the Nazis.
That's what we got to do.
And they all know that.
And they're looking at, you know, the damn fortress Europe and going,
I don't know what it's going to happen.
But in a couple months, two months, five months, six months, one month,
we're going to get into boats and airplanes.
And we're going to fly over there.
We're going to go into attack mode.
So they wanted the Army obviously wants the mindset to be correct.
Because man, you get the collective,
the collective mind is a powerful thing.
When the collective mind is moving in a unified direction,
it's a powerful thing if it's the right direction.
If the collective mind is moving in the wrong direction,
that's also a powerful thing.
And it'll stop you in your tracks.
It'll stop your team and it's right.
It's weird when you watch a game, a sports game,
and you can watch that momentum shift.
And you can feel it.
Oh, yeah.
You can feel the momentum,
or you can feel the momentum pickup.
And we all know that when someone's confidence increases,
they get a little bit more relaxed.
There's less on the line.
So now they're, you know, in basketball,
they get hot streaks.
They start just throwing up Steph Curry
is all over the court, just throwing up threes.
No factor, just hitting them.
People get into that confident mindset,
the momentum's with them, the mob mentality,
the pressure's off a little bit.
that's a huge thing.
That's why you get blowouts.
There's a word for it.
Blowouts, just the momentum is there.
But we've talked about on this podcast where World War I, a runner whose job it is
to run back messages from the front line to the rear echelon would start to run back.
And other people would see him running back and be like, oh, I'm out of here.
They would have panic and collapse based on me just seeing someone else run away.
Yeah.
So the mob mentality is very important.
What they're trying to do here with this Army talks pamphlet is get people aligned making sure that they understand because collectively this is what's important.
Collectively in a unit, every little, every little moment, every little decision, every little movement, it all makes a difference.
And you've heard that story before where they told my task.
unit like we got done with a run at
CQC close quarters of combat
got done with the house run and
the master chief's like
the instructor cadre the master chief in charge
of the instructor cadre he's like god you guys are freaking
kicking ass you guys the best task unit we've ever seen
come through here and the very
next run
collectively the 36 members of task unit
bruiser all took their
foot off the gas a little bit
all just you know just a little
hesitation a little bit laxadaisical
a little bit of this,
little bit, let that slide,
a little bit won't be aggressive there,
let someone else do it.
And the next run completely sucked.
And I told him, Ashley,
I was like, hey, don't ever tell my guys that, that again.
And he's like, yeah, check.
But it's a collective, like, relaxation.
It's a collective slack.
And if one person takes one less bit of initiative,
a half a second of initiative,
a half a second of hesitation,
Maybe I'll let someone else go.
I'm not really sure what to do.
And you just multiply that times how many decisions get made in a killhouse?
There's a thousand decisions that get made in a killhouse.
Probably more than that.
But each one of those decisions is an extra half a second or it's not as aggressive or it could be or it's not as sharp or it's not as poignant or accurate as it should be or the person's not front side focus when they're shooting their shots.
Now they're missing.
Like there's all kinds of little tiny things go wrong.
And now we have a problem.
Well, it's the same thing with us as individuals, too,
because these little decisions that we're making,
little tiny decisions, just little ones.
But, and we, we don't notice them today.
You know, if you have, if you have, let's say,
contraband in the house, right?
I.E.
Frito-lay scoop-sized, fritos.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, yes.
Yeah, so like, let's say my wife is having some kind of,
like, friends over something.
And so she's good, you know, they're gonna live it up, right?
It's gonna get some of these scooper things.
Scoop size.
Now these things are in my cabinet.
So look, I have a couple of those things.
I like, I want something salty.
Boom, there we go, these scoops.
Yeah.
Now look, is that gonna ruin my life in a day?
No, it's not gonna, you're not gonna ruin my life.
I could literally, and you're the testament to this,
you ate what, you eat 12 donuts in one sitting?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it was more.
Something like that.
So you ate 12 to 12 to 16, we'll say.
It was many.
Yeah.
Did you feel sick when you got done?
I did.
You know, I'm remembering,
the short answer is no.
But I didn't feel like a champ.
No.
Wait, you literally ate 16 donuts.
Yeah, I forget.
In one sitting.
Eight or 12.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
Put some chocolate,
some hot chocolate milk on there.
Wait,
you put a hot chocolate milk on the.
No, no.
Like just in the whole scenario.
And clearly, look, now we know that's bad, blah, blah, blah, but it didn't ruin your life.
You probably worked out the next day, no factor.
Yep.
You might have taken a little bit of a freaking food coma that afternoon.
It was that kind of afternoon, yes.
Yeah.
But it didn't ruin your life.
No.
That one decision, no big deal.
But collectively, now if you take that attitude, you make that decision for a month.
I was going to say for a year, but it's not even like in a month, you'd be jacked up.
You'd be, you'd know it.
You would not be as capable as you should be.
So these little decisions that add up over time,
whether it's collectively as a group
or it's individually as a human,
every decision that you make is going to have consequences.
Good consequences, possibly, or bad consequences, possibly.
And so we have to keep that in mind.
And what the Army is trying to do in April of 1944,
is they're trying to get everyone to understand
that when you're in the field,
and you've got a task
to get that wire strong
or to get that vehicle fueled
or to get that ammo loaded
like all these little things
I mean imagine you're going to the front line
and everyone that's supposed to be loading ammo
everyone loads a little bit less
and all of a sudden instead of having
six hours worth of ammunition
you got three maybe you got four
maybe you even got five but you didn't have
six and it was the sixth hour of ammunition that was going to allow you to win this gunfight.
So this everyone has got to be giving everything they've got.
Every decision makes.
They want people to understand.
They want the soldiers to understand what you're doing, whether you're loading ammunition
or you're assaulting a bunker.
What you are doing is going to have an impact.
And then we need to think about that in our individual lives too.
What we are doing, the decisions that we are making are going to, is going to have an
impact in our life.
And we can't set that aside.
We cannot forget that.
So let's get into this issue of Army talks.
It starts off, we are preparing to take part in the biggest tug of war the world has ever seen.
If any should let go of the rope, then we lose the match.
And that's exactly what I was just saying.
It's interesting that they use tug of war.
The reason I'm thinking they're using tug of war, because if you've ever read anything about D-Day,
most of the people that were participating in D-Day did not have combat experience.
So they didn't even use a combat example.
They're using tug-of-war because every one of these kids has played tug-of-war.
And what everybody knows is if you're playing tug-of-war and you don't give full effort, you lose.
So we have every single person is on the rope.
And you've got to be pulling on that rope as hard as you can.
Otherwise, we lose.
talks a little bit about General Montgomery from the Brits and then Eisenhower and goes to General Eisenhower and says General Eisenhower thought it important to issue a letter on February 25th to every American serving under my command calling for cooperation with the British we must earn and keep their respect as a great military machine dedicated to the single task of doing our duty in the winning of this war he called for teamwork
Every single task.
Every single task.
This guy that's in charge of the European theater,
before they go into D-Day,
he talks about earning respect
in every single task that you are going to do.
So how often do we think that something that we're doing
is not that big of a deal?
It is a big deal.
What's that expression,
how you do little things,
is how you do everything?
Yeah.
Or how you do anything is how you do everything.
That's what it is.
How you do anything is how you do everything.
That's what he's saying.
If you're loading ammunition, your job is important.
You're hanging a wire for communications.
Your job is extremely important.
All of you have extremely important jobs.
Every task matters.
It goes on to say, what these two generals we're talking about can be summed up in one word.
Discipline.
Now, discipline is one of those, is one of those, is one of those,
troublesome words in our English language, like bow or lead or row, which have more than one meaning.
Unfortunately, the meaning often associated with discipline is punishment, but that is only
one meaning of the word. The dictionary tells us that discipline also means teaching or instruction,
that discipline means training, which molds, strengthens, or perfects. And finally, the thing we're
talking about in the army. Discipline means controlled, gained as a habit by through,
gained as a habit through training by enforcing obedience or by carrying out orders. That is
orderly conduct. That's discipline. Now what's interesting about this is you think, oh,
Jackar, I thought you were Mr. Decentralized Command over here. Now you want me to obey orders.
Yes, yes and yes. I am Mr. Decentralized Command. And if orders aren't.
Good orders, then you shouldn't obey them.
But also, you should understand what the mission is and go execute the mission regardless
of how you got to get it done.
But what's better or what's more applicable to right now for us as individuals is you train
so that you obey orders.
How often echo Charles do human beings not obey the orders that they were given to by themselves?
We failed to obey the orders that we know we should do.
To give ourselves.
Yeah.
How are we eating donuts?
How's that happening?
And there's not one person that's like, I need to go and eat a dozen donuts today or even one donut.
There's not a person that wakes up in the morning and goes, I'm going to go, I need to make sure I eat donuts today.
Not one person is saying that.
No one's saying that.
No one is saying, hey, I need to make sure I scroll through a bunch of social media today.
That's what my goal is.
No one has that as a goal.
No one says, hey, you know what, tomorrow I want to make sure I procrastinate the tasks that are that are on the table for me.
No one's saying that.
What they're saying is I need to make sure I get this thing done tomorrow.
I need to make sure I get task one, two, and three done tomorrow.
They give themselves that order.
And somehow, somehow the order does not get executed.
So what we have to do is actually train ourselves to achieve.
to achieve blind obedience to ourselves.
That's a difficult task.
You ever heard me talking some like,
oh, you know, what do you think about when,
you know, what do you tell yourself when you got to do something hard?
I'm like, I don't tell myself anything.
I'm not saying anything to myself.
Look, and I'm not against people having little ditties.
We've talked about that too, like having something to say.
But I'm not, there's no negotiation happening.
It's not like, it's just like a soldier in the field gets
told charge, I'm charging.
I'm not like, well, how far do you want me to charge?
And when exactly you want me to charge?
And can you give me the outcome that you're looking for?
No, no, no, no.
I'm not saying anything of that.
Charge.
That's what we're doing.
Let me ask you this.
Go.
On a personal level.
Was there any single or collective incident or, you know, atmosphere or environment for you,
like growing up that was basically made you,
made your endurance for suffering like kind of high because I feel like that's like an element
that is very useful and beneficial in discipline because you can be like okay yeah I'm like suffering
but the suffering isn't enough for me to get you know off track from my my goal um you know I've come
from New England you know it's cold uh surfing in Maine when you're a little kid and it's cold
Yeah, but just just FYI
My lips would turn blue
Like it is it is a hyper
It is a borderline hypothermic scenario
It was pretty common
To have blue lips when you got out of the water
From cold
So maybe that's something
Yeah
But I don't have any like
That I can think of off the top of my head
Yeah
Yeah I do wonder that because
And I'm with you
You know it was cold
And hell yeah
You know, but a lot of places are cold.
A lot of people grew up in New England.
Like, they don't, you know, that's not necessarily to say that everyone from New England is as disciplined as you are close, you know?
But we have talked about this before that people from New England do have a slightly higher chance of making it through basic seal training.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're right.
So there is something there.
Yeah, yeah, that's like a little ingredient.
Yeah, it's a little ingredient.
Yeah.
Remember how we kind of talked about, like, in Hawaii where it's like different.
It's the opposite.
it.
Hawaii is awesome, dude.
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
Like the lifestyle is so laid back because it can be, you know?
You don't have to endure suffering of the cold and the blue lips and hypothermia.
You don't technically even have to build shelter for yourself as a human being.
Exactly right.
Because there's not, no bugs out there.
The temperature is kind of perfect.
Yeah.
It's going to rain for like 15 minutes.
And it won't be cold.
And it's very refreshing and warm.
Whereas in New England,
And if you don't plan, like you are going to die.
There's no doubt about it.
You need to figure some shit out and you need to get up early and you need to build some stuff.
You need to go and cut down trees and pile up rocks and put firewood in stacks to get ready for something called the winter.
So there's got there's, you know, there's got to be something to that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
And that's like, that's just like the exercising of your mind of thinking ahead and sticking with it, you know, kind of a thing, which is, this is literally what discipline is.
Yeah, yeah.
It's all it is really when you really condense it down.
It's like you have a, you have a longer term goal.
Yeah.
And the ability to stay on track for that goal and not to get detracted.
That's essentially it.
And usually there's the short term for, in order to achieve the long term goal, the short term requires a slightly or more, just any, a more.
difficult decision then not staying on the long because sometimes it's a very small decision.
Yeah.
You know, like sometimes a very, the difference between being disciplined and not being disciplined
isn't that big of a deal.
Yeah.
Cause I mean really, you know, really like, oh, I'm not, I, I said no to the freaking
morning Cheetos.
Yeah.
Like is that really a huge?
It's not really, but, you know, it can't be a big thing over time.
If you were to measure the whole thing mathematically, it is a detraction from the goal.
significant one but still is you see what I'm saying so yeah you can still achieve the goal without
level 10 discipline you do level nine discipline still achieve of course but as far as what discipline
is that's what it is man let's face it but and my whole point was with that kind of capability
that discipline capability in there one of the ingredients and a significant one is the ability
to endure some suffering because even like the deprivation of so even like I don't know like
The simplest thing, what's discipline?
Like a dietary discipline.
Right.
I want to make weight.
I want to lose weight or whatever.
You got to say no to stuff.
And you'll be hungry sometimes.
And then the ability to be like, no, I'm not going to get.
Because the hungry you get, the hungrier you get, the more delicious everything seems.
Right.
Like, that's pretty obvious.
Yeah.
The ability to have that not affect you because you can endure that.
And it's a version of suffering.
Let's face it.
I mean, it must be because so many people can't stick with it.
You know what I'm saying?
But the ability to, you know,
to endure that suffering and other types of suffering is going to be like super that's going to be a strong
weapon you know yeah and I guess the more you want that end goal as well yeah that plays into it yeah
because if you don't really want that end goal you know what's and the end goal too here's a thing
that I realized too where it's almost like your brain can't unless you've really had that end goal
it's really rare that your brain can really comprehend the value of the end goal it seems yeah yeah
Like if, like getting in shape, for example, that's almost guaranteed if you just follow the simple rules.
It's pretty much more guaranteed than most things in life, to be honest with you.
And yet people don't do it.
So what I'm saying?
But oddly enough, if someone like knows the really knows and lives the value of being in shape, them slipping out of it, I mean, there's circumstances.
But them slipping out of his way less likely.
Yeah, it's definitely less likely, however.
Yeah, yeah, it happens for sure.
It happens in a big way.
But sometimes I feel like, hey, if people were just, if someone was just really experience the fruits of whatever the goal is, right?
Let's say being in shape.
Yeah, like imagine if you worked out in the morning and then you were in badass shape for the rest of that day.
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
It's like you get the like if you worked out hard, you would be jacked for that day.
And strong and capable and flexible and all the good things.
But if you didn't work out in the morning, then you were like a slob.
It's way different.
Everyone would work out in the morning.
Yeah.
But it doesn't work that way, unfortunately.
But it's almost like they don't, it's almost like you don't believe it, you know?
I don't believe that I'll be in great shape, you know, because I, nothing, it has never been proven to me, you know, kind of a thing.
But even though it's like pretty, like I said, it's a very reliable system.
Yeah.
But it's almost like, yeah, it's like they don't.
we don't believe it or something.
Yeah,
where they don't really want it that bad.
Yeah.
Which,
again,
is like,
it's weird how addicted people can get to whatever habits,
whether it's food habits,
whether it's social media habits,
whether it's,
you know,
lounging around,
whatever those habits are.
Like,
those things are really,
really powerful.
They're so,
there's like a thing you can get for your phone.
And it's like a,
a small, it's called a brick.
And it's like an application.
And you can, you,
you need to have this thing.
It locks up this, like whatever apps you tell it to lock up on your phone,
it locks them up.
And you can't unlock them unless you go through some protocol
with this exterior piece of equipment.
So it's, it just, it creates a, an obstacle.
Yeah, yeah, big obstacle.
Yeah.
And so it's crazy.
It's like that but people go out and buy another piece of technology to prevent them from using the technology that they know is bad enough that they're going and buying another piece of technology to keep them from doing it because they literally can't keep themselves from doing it themselves.
Yeah.
So there's some strong poles out there.
Yeah.
Some strong pulls.
And look, the phones are the apex of human hacking, right?
It's hacking the human mind to just freaking get them in there.
That's what it is.
Infinite scroll, bright colors, you know, the dopamine rewards of the,
what you always bring up that one, different levels of reward.
What is it?
You get different.
Oh, the variable.
Variable rewards, you know?
Like they won't even give you everything you want every time.
They want to give you some other things so that when you get the thing that you really want,
it feels even better.
Yeah, yeah.
which is wild bro.
I saw that happen with my dog.
My dog,
I got like the tastiest treats from my dog
and he loved them
and like first would do anything for them.
But I didn't do variable reward.
And so after 50 of them or 40 of them,
he was just like,
oh,
it's one of those things again.
It's like,
whatever.
So you got to do variable reward
with your dog.
And the technology companies
know that they got to do
variable reward with us.
So they'll give you like an okay meme,
an okay thing.
of blah blah blah but then you get the one you really want you know you get the thing you
really want to see a sick jiu jitsu move oh they feed it to you there you go you know i'll tell you
the powerful when they get you with um after while it gets kind of weak but is the notifications
that's how they get you so if you have a notification that's why they put them in red and like
oh one or two where do they come up where does the notification come up where do you see a notification
When you open the thing, let's say Instagram, for example,
when you open Instagram on the top or whatever,
it'll have like a number or whatever with red.
Of how many messages you know?
Yeah, whether it be a comment on your thing or whatever or whatever.
And I don't know that you can turn them off, but.
Yeah, of course, I think so.
I don't know.
But you, so you don't know what it is.
It's like a little surprise.
Is you what I'm saying?
Are you talking about that little red heart with a circle by it?
Yeah.
Okay.
Wait, let me show it to me.
You're talking about that little thing right there?
Yeah.
Oh wait, yours is kind of like turned off or something.
I don't know.
Yeah, it seems weird to me.
Also on my emails currently I have 64,000 unopened emails.
Yeah.
No factor.
I'm not paying attention to it.
And this is why because the email people.
Uh, 1100 unopened text messages.
Yes.
So those notifications.
They mean nothing to me.
Yeah, exactly.
And I was gonna say once you get an overabundance of them, they mean
way and way less.
When they hear us talking about this, they're going to zero everyone out.
And then like, you know, they'll only notify you on today's messages.
Right.
Because you'll be like, oh, I got a new message today.
You're right.
I think that that's already a strategy or it might be.
I don't know.
That's my theory.
But yeah, I feel like they're going to balance it out a little bit because that's real.
Because let's face it, email, for example, at first when you first got an email back
in the day and you got a new mail, you have mail, you have mail.
And you're like, ooh, who's the mail from and all this stuff?
Yeah.
Once you start getting spam, like,
freaking 10,000 email, right?
You're like, I don't care about any of this, actually.
They totally turn me off to all emails.
I don't care if I got an email from freaking Santa Claus himself.
Don't care.
Don't care.
It's like, whatever.
Oh, what's he trying to say?
What's Santa tried to sell?
And then, but in the email people, it doesn't seem like they're really bent on,
on making you addicted to email.
You know, there's no, you know, that's not really the motive.
It's not the game they're playing, but social media that is the game they're playing.
So it's kind of like, that's why they'll give you, like after, you know,
you have like a bunch of you put it this way with all the followers or whatever that you have
you have the potential to get too many of those too many notifications for you to care anymore
right email scenario so now they're gonna but I just feel bad I'll meet someone like I sent you a
DM and I'm like yeah one time I a guy said he sent me a DM and I like I took out my phone
and I was like where are they and he opened it up and he's like oh my god I'm sorry you see you apologize
back to me oh yeah to the point where they had to now separate when you have you know as me
they separate your followers or the people you follow with general and then there's another one
there's like gen pop there's three yeah there's like three categories of DMs and it's like it's like
a spam folder essentially so if you don't follow but yeah I think I feel like they'll they'll
even that out they'll they'll start sending you only notifications that they believe that you might
actually be interested in you're saying I feel like that's like a thing it's coming so that's
why we'd be on guard.
That's why we have to train ourselves
to just obey orders from you.
I did a whole damn thing.
You are the general, you are the soldier.
It's a rare case.
It's real easy for me like,
Echo Charles, you better be out here
at four o'clock in the morning,
getting your gear ready.
It's real easy to say that.
But when I got to say,
Jocco, Willink, by yourself,
no one's around to watch you,
no one's going to enforce anything,
you got to get up and get your gear ready
at four o'clock in the morning.
It's easy.
to let myself down than it is to let echo Charles down. So we have to be we have to use
unmitigated daily discipline with ourselves to power through these moments of
weakness which are everywhere they're everywhere. I'm another question for you send
it so and this is again back we got to rewind in is there an incident because it
feels like you have a thing that you take pleasure in certain like hardcore
suffering like stuff almost it's like I can't put my finger on it but it's kind of like
if it's extreme it's kind of like you'll take pleasure in it kind of a thing where most people
will just say generally I don't you know like the fact that I don't know you're more about
that cruising yeah well I'll actually say this in honesty like I've found ways to since I was a
little kid to find the immediate payoff in hard stuff or stuff that I know I'm supposed to do
So I always feel like, hey, how can I look like, what about this scenario right here,
no matter if it's boring, suffering, a workout I don't want to do, or whatever,
what about this scenario do I have to look forward to in it?
You know, I just had this experience with my daughter, Rana.
And so she was cutting weight for a jiu-jitsu match.
And she was like, we were, she's like, oh, yeah, she goes, I got this thing staged.
Like she had some of her favorite foods staged for after-weans.
Not foods that were going to be like hyper-beneficial for post-way.
And she had those, well, we had some hydrate.
We had some milk.
Like we had her ready to get back on the critical nutritional path after cutting weight.
But she also had whatever her little personal things were.
And I could, when I was talking to her, like she was excited.
She was like, oh, this is going to taste so good.
Like, oh, I'm going to have this.
And I remembered that when I was go, I,
This is a weird thing for me to remember.
I remember that I was going to Hell Week.
Prior to Hell Week, I was saying to myself,
dude, it's going to feel so good to go to sleep
after I've been awake for five days.
I can't wait for how good that's going to feel.
It's almost like the looking forward to the suffering
so that I could get the relief of the suffering at the end.
So there's got to be some of that as well.
Oh, yeah, perfect example,
because that's the kind of stuff I'll do too,
where because, okay,
so there's certain times where all,
if I don't work out or if I don't work out hard enough, that's a good one.
And let's say I slept kind of later, whatever.
I won't sleep that good that night.
So I remember many times, I'll be like, shoot, I'm like kind of like not really into this workout,
but I'm like, oh, wait, but if I really push it here, I'll sleep good tonight way better.
I'll actually have that thing.
So now every rep, every set I do is now I'm thinking of the payoff later.
So I'm seeing?
And so it's directly affected.
Yeah, that's kind of like a mental thing.
So that is a version of giving yourself.
Something to look forward to in the moment in that suffering you see what I'm saying a big one that I
You know they say which the more I think about it the more I feel like hey this is more real than I think it
In regards to like a you know some things they're just cliches you know you're like you know but the gratitude thing and if you but if you can specify okay so I always
And we talked about this back like from long time ago like my dream was that my own home gym with all the equipment that I want
All my essentials you know like how it
lucky so finally do you have 120s yeah yeah exactly you have some 30s no 130s no 120s kind of capped it
out yeah so but i've you know in now that on the days that i don't feel like working out
we'll say i'll be like wait a second this is literally what i asked for like not only asked for
dreamed fantasized about and i'm like smack dab in the middle of it so so i put my mind back in
there you know in that like i rewind my life mental
and put my mindset back to where it was back then.
And it's kind of like, oh, shit, I'm freaking here, you know?
You know, see what I'm saying?
Little time travel, little gratitude.
And then boom, freaking work out.
Then we're getting it off.
Getting it on.
Exactly.
Check.
We need to train ourselves to be obedient to ourselves.
Going on a little bit, a little bit more.
Fast forward.
Discipline makes a team.
In your soldiers handbook and other writings on Army discipline,
the point is invariably made that discipline is just another word for teamwork.
for the training and spirit that make a football player or a bomber pilot or a machine gunner
subordinate his own individualisms to the best interest of the whole group, which he is a part.
So again, it's cool that they're putting this in the team perspective and calling it teamwork,
but what we're talking about is subordinating your own individualism and as individuals,
subordinating our own comfort so that we can reach our long-term individual goals.
Of course, look, when you're part of a team, you've got to subordinate your individual needs
to the greater needs of the team.
But on an individual discipline level, you have to subordinate your comfort, your comfort
that is going to make you feel good right now in the immediate gratification.
You've got to sacrifice that for the long term for your own personal goals as well.
Continue on.
More than that, it is what makes him responsive to the command.
of his leader automatically and makes him carry on as he thinks his leader would want him to do
if the leader is not there. That's decentralized command. So being able to make sacrifices in the
current time for the good of the team or the good of your long-term goals, that's what discipline is.
Carrying on. Fast forward a little bit. Selfishness costs life. Every soldier has enough intelligence
to understand why discipline is essential in a football game. Why, when the signal is given,
each one of the 11 men must carry out his assignment or the play will fail and the game may be lost.
And every soldier understands why teamwork is even more vitally essential in the army.
Why the latrine orderly must subordinate his own distaste over the job to the comfort and health of his comrades.
Why the machine gunner must carry out his assignment subordinating his own safety to the interests of his squad without even thinking about it.
His failure may cost his life and the lives of his buddies and it may lose the battle.
So again, that immediate discipline that we need to have as part of the team to sacrifice our own well-being right now for the good of the team,
that's also the sacrifice that we have to make as individuals so we can achieve our long-term goals.
Which, by the way, is for us.
Fast forward a little bit.
There is discipline in civilian life too.
Discipline is no new thing to the American soldier.
In civilian life, he was subjected to discipline.
He ran an errand to the grocery store for his mother when he preferred to play baseball.
He ran his lay at the factory or kept his books at the bank, according to the rules laid down by his boss, again, subordinating his own interests to those of his company.
But the nature of an army calls for a subordination more rigid and unquestioned than any civilian institution.
So we have to subordinate our own interests.
And for us talking about self-discipline,
you have to subordinate the immediate gratification
that is presented to you in every donut,
in every Netflix movie,
in every comfortable pillow,
in every snooze button on the alarm clock,
you have to subordinate those temptations
to your long-term goals.
That's what we're doing.
Fast forward, cooperation is also vital to make an invasion force such as ours will be,
Americans and British, along with fighting men from the Nazi-occupied European countries,
all under General Eisenhower's command and effective fighting team.
That is what lay behind the Supreme Allied commanders, quote,
assurance that our success in battle and our chances to return home safely and speedily
are directly affected by our success in establishing here in Britain a reputation as a
first-class disciplined fighting organization.
The general stated that, quote,
only a self-disciplined army can win battles.
And he asked all American forces to be especially careful
concerning improper use of motor transportation,
drinking in public places, excessive drinking,
loud, profane or indecent language,
especially in public,
Slavinlanness in appearance,
and any discurtesy to civilians,
including driving,
courtesy on the road.
So he kind of goes off on this little tangent.
You're like, oh, hold on a second.
These guys are getting ready to go to war.
What are we talking about?
And then they address it.
He says, kid stuff.
Did someone in the last row say that?
To that attitude, Colonel Elliot C. Cutler, chief consultant in the
in surgery in the ETO, that's European theater of operations, gave a good answer in a recent
radio talk when he said, army discipline often upsets.
the civilian largely because he doesn't understand it, but also because it was partly to escape
from authority that caused the ancestors of many of us to go to America. This distaste of discipline
and regimentation is an inherited characteristic of our people. So he's saying, look, if you're
American, you don't want to be told what you don't want no discipline? We freaking rebelled against
England. I myself yield to no one in independence of thought and action. This is what this guy's
I yield to no one.
That's a frigging legit statement.
I yield to no one.
Then he goes on to say, but I am as a profound, a believer in discipline in the army as the
most regular of our regular officers.
I have watched one son go through West Point and another Annapolis and have studied
discipline in the services from its first impact on men.
And with all its mistakes, which sometimes lead to individual unfairness, it is
the soul and very breath of a good army it is what makes for the cohesiveness and unity what gives
force to a mob and victory to the group who submit to it and live for it submit to discipline and live for it
we salute our superiors as a mark of our desire to serve well in our group we dress neatly in
order to prove that we can be subservient to the will of authority knowing that the authority
with proven ability to guide and command obedience
can impose this on the enemy who would destroy us.
Oh, damn.
We got to think about that.
We are up against an enemy
that if given the opportunity,
will impose its discipline on us.
That's why we have to be more disciplined than them.
Otherwise, you're going to get what you're going to get.
You know, it's an old school yard thing.
Look, we don't want to be, we don't want to be, I don't want to fight.
I don't have to fight.
I want everyone to be happy out here on the school yard, right?
Everyone be happy.
I don't need to lift.
I don't need to be strong.
I don't need to train Jiu-Jit, so I don't need to train Jiu-Tai wrestling box.
I don't need to train any of that.
We're going to play hopscotch over here, right?
Well, guess what?
When you just try playing a hopscotch and jacks and handball,
Right?
Remember Jacks?
It's old school, right?
Old school.
That's what we did in recess back in the 30s.
But that's what A, let's do that.
And that's great.
But at some point, a big strong bully is going to come and you're not going to be able to do what you want anymore.
You're going to have to obey them.
And you know what it is in life?
What is that big strong bully in life?
It's getting out of shape.
It's getting sick.
It's getting unhealthy.
It's losing your mobility.
It's not having the ability to get up in the morning like it's all of these things that's the bully that's going to come and bully your ass
Into destruction
So we have to be more disciplined than the enemy
That's what we're doing
Yeah, it's like a
You're always working for this I guess at the end of the day is like this
Autonomy really this independence and autonomy really because like the less capable less discipline less
unless, you know, or in these things,
the more you're depending on someone else to provide it for you.
And it's proud, I was talking to Joel at the muster.
Oh, Joel Canoe, our boy.
And we're, you know, just going back and forth, brainstorming.
Kind of nonsense stuff, non-muster stuff, we'll say that.
But it's kind of like, hey.
A shocker.
Lack of discipline.
Where it's like, and anyway, we kind of touched on the idea where it's like,
the more, the healthier you are, you know, the idea of the more healthier you are, the less
you have to depend on the system, the medical system, right?
Even though the medical system is like one of the biggest industries like in the world,
really.
They want you in there.
Yeah, kind of.
Right.
So like that's just like, that's like a very in your face simple example of the more
discipline you are with your health and capability and like all this stuff.
Like the whole thing, the less you're going to, the less you're going to depend on that.
And yeah, that's the enemy.
The enemy's like, no, no, no, I don't want you to be healthy, strong, or whatever.
I want you to need, I want you in my ecosystem, you know, so I can use, you know, you.
So it's kind of that same thing.
And it goes for kind of everything, you know.
So it's like the more incapable you are, we'll say, the more you need some.
Yeah.
And same thing like financially.
The more you're financially put up against a wall, the more you rely on financial.
The more you rely on credit cards and more you rely on all these things and you're by the way you're going backwards
You're paying interest like all these things are terrible. Oh they and it's it's funny too because they can market to you way easier
Oh yeah so it's like you know even just as simple as the the grocery store
Hey we got this sale going on
If you're like kind of strapped for money you're like oh oh I'm taking action on that sale
But if you're not you're like I don't care I'm freaking busy today
You know playing jacks or hopscotch just seems like but you see these are all teeny tiny examples
sprinkled into one big kind of idea that yeah,
the more independent, the more capable you are,
the last year gonna depend on all this other stuff.
That's what we're doing, man.
You're not gonna be beholden to this stuff.
But you have to sacrifice now.
You have to sacrifice now.
You have to drive a 1997 Dodge Grand Caravan for 13 years.
You have to.
You have to. You have to.
You can't just be getting a new vehicle
just because you want one.
And like if you can avoid it, try not to get a vehicle
that you can't afford.
Like, you know, you have $5,000,
you have $9,000 saved up for a down payment
on a freaking Mercedes, right?
And now you're going to have an $1,100 a month payment
on a Mercedes.
Look, is a Mercedes a nice car?
Sure.
But now you could have taken that $9,000
and bought a cheap car that's four years old,
six years old, actually cars are pretty expensive right now.
But something that's reliable runs,
get one of those for $10,000.
and do that
and then start saving that money again.
Like that is the that is the sacrifice you have to make right now.
And then you're going to look up in 10 years, 15 years.
When you buy it, now when you buy it,
you can buy a Mercedes with cash.
Because you haven't squandered and paid a bunch of interest over time.
So here's another one that sometimes we might overlook.
It's like being on the internet.
You know, there's internet scams.
if you don't have much experience on the internet or you don't really know you don't pay attention
you don't have that capability to exist on the internet probably you're going to get scammed a lot
so you know how like uh oh emails right like if you got an email saying oh uh hey there's like
$39 million in an account and it's freaking whatever your name came up it's yours
you just got to basically claim it and all this stuff you would know that it's a scam
Right?
Because of all your knowledge and training will say.
It's incidental training, but training.
So it's one of those things where if you don't have that training,
you will be beholden to that enemy on the internet.
And they're getting advanced too.
So you're saying spend more time on the internet?
The more capability you have on the internet,
the more independent you can be more safe.
You're going to be.
The cool thing is I'll give you a real good technique.
If you Google something and put scam after it.
Yeah, yeah.
And you'll figure out,
it's a scam or not.
See, even you knowing that.
how like that you're like kind of trained you see what I'm saying and you're kind of but yeah yeah
that's a good tip oh this next headline seems to ring true to me it says personal discipline
pays discipline is imposed upon an army to make it a team because only a team can win soldiers
have had to fight as a team ever since wars began the cavalry of gangis con had to charge as a team
the Roman legions had to hurl their spears as a team,
the English archers to launch their arrows as a team.
And we get into this idea of discipline being sacrifice,
which is something that I really hadn't occurred to me
in this directive a way.
Cooperation is more important than ever.
If teamwork was so essential in earlier wars,
when the weapons were only such as one man could use by himself,
How much more vital is cooperation in this war with its tanks, planes, infantry weapons, and artillery, which a group of men must operate as a coordinated unit?
It is vital not only for what that small proportion of the army does, the actual fighting, but equally vital for that larger proportion of the army concerned with the army's survival and movement.
And it is essential in an allied command, such as the one under which we fight.
so is it is a violation of team spirit and team operation that is the real crime underlying any
infraction of discipline such as those about which general Eisenhower asked special care so again
to me this is a they're trying to connect this for the the soldier of saying look you're not just
letting yourself down you're not just letting yourself down when you don't
behave properly, you're letting your team down. And that's what you're doing in life too,
because it's easy to let yourself down. But imagine if you had to address your wife each time
you wanted to like do make a bad decision. You're like, hey, I'm just going to go ahead and let
you down right now. You're going to get your kids, line them up, you know, stand before your wife
and your children and say, hey, I'm about to make a decision that's going to negatively impact
to my health, my well-being, the capability that I have to provide for the family,
I'm just going to go ahead and I'm just going to throw all that away right now.
You guys okay with that?
You know when someone cuts you in line and they're like, oh, oh, were you here?
And you go, oh, just check with everyone behind me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like that thing.
And most people go, no, it's okay.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like that thing.
Do you really want to make this decision right now?
So I don't think you do.
Continue on for example the disciplined soldier will not go out for a joyride in a Jeep or make a spectacle of himself in a pub the undisciplined soldier may the real crime is that he lets the team down that's the real crime the real crime is that you let the team down
disciplinary training is a two-way street it does not merely lead to military proficiency to the army's own ends
It also leads to self-discipline to the individual soldiers, private benefit wholly apart from its benefit to the Army.
If you learn, for example, to take care of your clothes and equipment to save money and to act in concert with others and many other lessons the Army teaches, you improve yourself not only as a soldier, but as a man.
You become a more efficient fighting man, which is essential, and you become a more substantial
citizen.
The man who has learned self-discipline has become an asset to any organization under any
conditions.
He will be in demand.
Factual.
Factual.
Look at the World War II guys when they came home from World War II.
What they do?
Freaking greatest generation built America.
That's what we're doing.
Training pays in battle.
Fast forward a little bit.
It is such discipline.
General Stewart continues,
which we must have to win battles.
Discipline, which carries with it,
instant obedience,
instant response to the will of the leader.
And again,
I'm going to reinforce this point.
You're the leader.
You are the leader in your world.
You're it.
And you need instant obedience
and instant response to the leader,
which is you.
And you are also the soldier.
There is no time for thought.
There's no time to weigh conclusions.
The order is given.
It flashes to the brain of the soldier.
Brain and muscle act instantly without thought of consequences.
Get in the ice bath.
Lift up the weight.
Get out of bed.
Put down the donut.
How are we to cultivate this discipline,
this spirit that responds unhesitatingly to command
when shells are bursting overhead,
when bullets are whistling about our ears,
when your bunky crumples up beside you,
and when you know that the next moment
bring your death how the answer is by training what kind of training disciplinary training
that's why these little things that you do each and every day that's why they're so important
because you're either learning to push through which i you ask me like where this develop i'll tell you
when you're going through basic steel training one thing you're definitely going to learn is like oh
i'm about to do something that i don't want to do cool and you just turn off your brain you go freaking
do it because there's no getting around it you're going to have to get wet you're going to have to
get sandy you're going to have to do the four mile time run
You're gonna have to do the two mile ocean swim or the five and a half notical mile ocean swim like you're gonna get in the water
You're gonna swim for freaking four five six hours. That's what's happening
Yeah
14 mile rock 20 miles like that's what you're doing okay cool
There's nothing you can do to stop it you're gonna freaking do it and you learn just to shut off your brain
You learn just to obey the internal
Order that you're giving yourself because you know interestingly in basic steel training if you don't want to do the run you don't have to
We don't you don't want to do the run
You don't have to do the run.
You don't want to do the swim.
You don't have to do the swim.
Oh, wait, but don't you get kicked out of it?
You go ring that bell.
It all ends.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
It's true, though.
It's a voluntary organization.
You don't have to do it.
You don't have to do any of it.
And by the way, most people say, I don't want to do it.
80% of the people that want to be seals, 80% of them that show up at that training go, yeah, you know, I actually don't want to do that run.
I actually don't want to get back in the water.
I actually want to get some sleep right now.
I want to go to bed.
I don't want to do eight count.
bodybuilders right now for the rest of the morning.
And that's okay.
So how much of that did you already have, do you think?
I'm trying to remember.
I think, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know if I could measure that.
But I know thinking back, it's like you just go, oh, well, this is what we're doing.
Yeah.
Who ya.
Yeah.
And I understand.
And yeah, to me, that's like kind of dope when you individualize that element of it
where it's like, bro, you're getting trained into having that.
Like, bro, that's some powerful stuff right there.
I don't know.
There's a lot of debate whether you get trained into that or whether you had it and they just got rid of the people that couldn't.
Yeah.
Or maybe everybody has it, but just who really wants to tap into it.
Yeah.
Because that's what I was going to kind of say.
I was like thinking, I'm sure in a group environment like that, it kind of makes it easier to be honest.
For sure.
Like, because you're like, oh, I don't want to.
Because there's all these external things.
Like, I don't want to bring the bell in front of everyone.
Like, there's all this stuff.
But when you're by yourself.
You don't have that.
You don't have that.
People get on that bell.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
80% of them get on that bell.
And I understand that.
But the people who don't, you know, if, but the people who don't ring the bell,
they still have that group environment, those little, that little bit of, I don't know,
I guess you'd call it a version of support, really.
Yeah.
Because like, hey, there's no, there's way more consequences, what I'm saying.
And they're psychological at the end of the day.
Yeah, yeah, beyond psychological.
But you don't have those consequences if you're not in that environment.
You see what I'm saying?
Like I tell you my little story about my squat day that one time I had and it really went deep into it like I warmed up. I was warmed up ready to go for my first set the hardest set by the way actually they're all hard but hard but that first I'm sitting there looking at it. I'm looking at my wife kind of through the window you know kind of far away and she's just doing her thing or whatever you know it's in the afternoon or right before sunset and I'm thinking if I don't do these squats today no one's going to care literally Jocko himself.
will not care.
I won't even know.
Whether I tell him or not.
I know.
I could tell you,
you'd tease me for a little bit
and you'd literally forget about it.
It'd be gone.
I wouldn't think you're a bad person.
No.
No.
Much.
Well, yeah,
yeah, I mean,
for a second,
you will,
but you would literally forget about it.
He has no bearing on anything at all.
Not even a little bit.
I could tell my wife,
the person I care about.
I could tell my kids.
You tell my,
you know,
my family members,
they'd be like,
we don't care at all.
I could not literally.
I would want to tell my family members
that anything.
I mean, shit, we get hostile out real quick.
Yeah, I understand, I understand.
But I could literally not find one single person in the whole world that would care, literally.
Mm-hmm.
If I just skipped them.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, provided myself with this relief of this freaking daunting thing.
I get onto this thing.
Mm-hmm.
It's a high rep day, too.
And so, yeah, you're faced with that.
So there's no guard rails.
There's no support.
There's no.
thing, you know?
It's like literally no consequence if you don't do it.
Like ringing the bell, you're ringing the bell.
Everyone heard.
And then you like how you always say you got to go home.
You got to tell the people that you told you're going to be this and that and now you're
not.
You ring that.
You know, there's none of that.
I can just carry on living my life.
Probably let's face it.
I mean, even my strength probably wouldn't even have went down.
See what I'm saying?
But that's not what it's really about at the end of the day.
So I did it, but it really affected me.
I just concluded that, hey, this is kind of my fight.
You know, this is my thing.
to deal with.
You know, it's not like, who cares
if my wife doesn't care?
That's not her battle, you see what I'm saying?
At all, yeah, exactly.
It's not even Jocko's beef.
So you kind of got to do it yourself,
but I'm just saying that's a way harder thing to do
in the big scheme of things, you know?
So there's also, there's an idea of something
because I just kind of mention the word voluntary.
Yeah.
Right.
There's a difference between what you're willing to do voluntarily
and just what you can get through
because you have to.
You ever heard me say that,
when Alex Honnold climbed L-Cap,
I made a statement a few times
and I still believe it,
but I have to put a caveat on it.
I think that Alex Honnold,
climbing L-Cap,
free solo,
is the greatest physical feat
that a human being has ever done
voluntarily.
Voluntarily, yeah.
Because there's people
that have done way more incredible things,
but they weren't voluntary.
But on death march, right?
Like, just crazy situations
that people get put into in their survival scenarios
and they survive against all odds
for years in some cases.
And that's a physical feat of survival.
And they lose 100 pounds.
They come out, you know, 68 pounds.
Like it's just brutal.
But it's involuntary.
So it's a little bit of a different category.
And so what you're talking about
and what I just said is like,
seal training, you don't have to do it.
You can quit if you want to.
Yeah.
And that squat rack that day, you didn't have to do it.
You know, you can quit if you want to.
Yeah.
But, you know, if you had to do those squats to like get your kid away from a fire,
you wouldn't even be a second thought.
Yeah, exactly.
But when you got to voluntarily, there's like a level of a step up you have to do
because it's involuntary.
Involuntary things, you know, sometimes you've got to do them, you know.
But we got to be careful because sometimes think, well, you'll rise to the occasion.
Well, no, you won't actually.
You don't rise to the occasion.
Like you might rise the occasion a little bit,
but physically you got to freaking train.
Like you go to a rope climb in seal training.
And sometimes people cannot do it anymore.
Or like you're going to like it doesn't matter how bad you want to try and climb the rope.
If you don't have, if you have a train for it, you ain't going to be able to do it.
So you got to train and you got to be ready.
And that takes discipline.
That's what we're talking about.
Fast forward here.
Rules have a purpose.
And that is what the army imposes.
There are many forms of training.
Among them are care of clothing and equipment, inspections of various kinds, saluting,
close order drill, and other routine of army life with which every soldier is familiar.
It is not at all the practice of performing the specific movement of column right to the rear,
March, and other drill movements.
It is practiced instead in teamwork, infusing an individual into a group so that he maintains a keen alert,
and responds automatically and almost without thinking about it to the word of command and acquires the habit of doing so.
See, I think you can get the habit.
Matter of fact, I kind of know you can.
You can get the habit of like, oh, you don't want to do this, this squats or you don't want to get up and you don't get it.
But you can get the habit of just doing things that you don't feel like doing at that moment.
And in the military, you got to train people for that.
But in your personal life, you have to train as well.
You have to get yourself in the habit of.
of obeying your own freaking orders.
That idea that you mentioned long time ago,
what that, how you're gonna feel when you're done.
And it was mostly about workouts,
but it has to do with most things.
Like how are you, focus on how you're gonna feel
when you're done.
And so I started doing that, I was like, man,
once you start doing it, you kind of discover
a little mental things that happen to you.
Yeah, like exactly right,
like a little maze that you're like,
you know,
aware of now.
Yeah, well,
sometimes.
But if you get in that habit
of like, hey,
how many,
this is what I discovered
or this way of thinking
based on that
was that,
let's say your workout
taking one hour.
That one hour is coming 100%.
And Jeremy Traskin told me this
about his mindset in buds
where it's like,
hey, the end of this buds
is coming 100%.
It's up to you
whether or not you want to be there.
at when it comes.
But it's coming regardless, kind of a thing.
So it's kind of the same thing with a workout
where it's like, yeah, the hour is going to be gone.
Like this next hour is coming.
That hour mark is coming.
So you want to be have, do you want to have done this
or you want to have not done this kind of a thing?
It's like, all right, let me just push through
and just focus on that one hour.
That's coming.
You see what I'm saying?
And it's weird how it just kind of,
your body just does it, you know?
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
So, continue on here.
The same end is served by group calisthenics and by such ceremonies as retreat.
Discipline.
Okay, so there you go.
That's why we're doing calisthenics.
We're just getting in the mode of like, this is what we're doing.
Next section is discipline wins wars.
When there is a breach of discipline and the officer punishes the soldier, the good officer will always punish the offense rather than the offender.
The punishment will not be aimed at.
the in aimed at the soldier as an individual the punishment will be impartial administered in such a
way that the soldier will feel that any offender whomever he might be would have been similarly
dealt with too often minor offenses against discipline are overlooked is we got to watch out for
minor offenses and discipline are overlooked every infraction must be promptly dealt with or
disciplinary action taken against the officer who tolerates the offense.
By the way, that's you.
That's you with you.
D-Day stiffens rules with a football team.
We may expect a coach to become stricter.
The discipline more rigid as the day of the big game draws near.
So also with an army.
Baron von Steuben, the German military genius who drilled the Continental Army
and made a winning team out of a mob of individualistic citizens,
commented of Americans, the genius of this people is that one must first explain and then give the
order. The soldier who does his duty will find and ponder the explanation and carry out the orders
all to one end. So that's, again, this is why decentralized command is so important. Like,
we got to explain, hey, this is what we're doing. This is why we're doing it. Here's go execute.
There's a summary here. Discipline can snatch victory from defeat in battle.
Drill, saluting, and inspections are measures for disciplinary training.
Officers as well as enlisted men are subjected to it.
Discipline is inculcated so that soldiers fight as a team.
Fast forward a little bit.
Courage alone is not enough.
A mob may be made up individually of brave men, but it cannot do the work of an army
because it lacks discipline teamwork.
The record clearly proves that green men suffer much heavier,
In battle than well-disciplined troops.
You know this this courage thing this reminded me when when you see fighters MMA fighters and
There's fighters that are freaking like undeniable
Undeniable warriors in the cage like they will not tap out they will get beat like just brutally beaten
They'll get caught in an arm lock. They'll get punched in the head. They will not
The ref has to stop the fight, you know, after just total bloodbath and bludgeoning of someone's head.
They clearly are warriors in the cage, but sometimes they're not really warriors like on the day-to-day basis of the discipline of training, right?
And it's very interesting to think about that because the champions have both.
The champions are going to train every single day.
and when they get in that cage,
they will do whatever it takes to win
and they will not stop until they've achieved victory.
And luckily, they have the discipline.
So they got the technique, they got the skills,
they got the cardio, they got the conditioning,
got the strength, they got the flexibility to make it happen.
But that came from their discipline leading up to the fight.
Now you get somebody that's a total warrior in the cage.
And sometimes they kind of lean on that.
It's a way to not have to train.
It's a way to not have to freaking get.
Get up early.
It's a way to not have to do your freaking road work, son.
So don't be that guy.
And look, we love those guys.
We love them.
It's great to watch them fight.
They're not going to give up.
But sometimes they win just on sheer will.
Just on sheer will.
But you don't want, you don't want to be that guy.
You don't want to have to rely on a will to win.
You want to rely on your skill technique and use your will in the preparation.
This section right here I'm talking about is called preparation.
That's why I thought of it.
So be disciplined during training camp.
Be disciplined.
Like if you're that person that would have to run to save your kid from a fire,
A, you could really, really, really want to do that.
But there's a chance your legs just can't handle that kind of strenuous activity.
And that's it.
That's what you get, man.
So you got to really be careful about that.
And I'll close out with this little.
section from this pamphlet it says soldiers need good discipline off as well as on the
battlefield every man wearing an American uniform in foreign service whether he realizes or not
is serving as a personal representative of the United States General Eisenhower expressed his
desires on this subject in his letter to the Americans of his command on February 25th
1944 it is vital that we work with the people of Great Britain both in the fighting services
and in civil life on the basis of mutual respect,
consideration and cooperation.
This means that we must earn and keep their respect
as a great military machine dedicated to the single task
of doing our duty and winning this war.
The average Englishman is likely to form his opinions
about America and Americans on the impression we make as individuals.
We owe it to our country, our allies and ourselves
to make that impression a good one.
win a good one self-discipline like battle discipline pays dividends so there you go that's the army talks
document from april of 1944 and as stated we owe it to our country we owe it to our allies we
are it to our families we owe it to our friends we over owe it to our teams and we owe it to ourselves
discipline in our lives.
That's what we have to do.
So there you go.
Some different perspectives on that's very familiar topic.
We've got a good opportunity for discipline in our lives.
We're doing the deaf reset January 1st.
Today, matter of fact, because it starts tomorrow.
If you listen to this podcast when it comes out,
December 31st, well, on January 1st, we're doing the deaf reset.
Just come and do it.
It's a way to train yourself to have discipline.
It's a way to learn the lessons that we talked about today,
personally, individually, before the enemy working out,
prioritizing execute, hydration, clean fuel, getting rid of the sugar-coded lies,
reading, writing every single day, remembering every single day.
Those are the things that we're doing.
And we're going to do them every day.
We're doing them every day.
So check out the deafreset.com.
We got a bunch of cool little assets.
You heard that term?
Yeah, sure.
Industry term.
I know assets.
Oh yeah.
We got a bunch of cool assets.
What do we got?
We got like a, we got the app, which was designed by.
My brother J. Charles.
Jay Charles made the app, the Def Reset app.
So you can check that out.
You can go in there and use that for your social media.
Use that for your social media because it's not distracting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a good diet.
It's a good.
The media.
Yes.
Do that instead.
Get away from the immediate gratification of dopamine that just floors your entire brain when you go on to the regular social media applications.
You heard the expression brain rot.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
I got freaking four kids, bro.
Of course, I know what brain rot.
But now it's like an actual thing.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, oh, yeah, no.
This is a brain rot channel.
Brain rot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's how.
Like there's no shame in it anymore or what or something.
It's like a, like a what do you call a genre?
And AI slop, same thing.
Yeah.
No, what do you mean?
Yeah, you're right.
Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, no, you're right.
Like AI slop is right in there.
Yeah.
AISLOP is, I guess, a subgenre of brain rot.
It feels like AI slop has a negative stigma.
Oh, for sure.
Like it's irritating.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, this is just dumb AI, like boom, boom.
But brain rot from these kids now that I see, they're like, no, no, no, no, there's a brain rot channel.
It's cool.
Like, it's funny.
Yeah.
You know, it's fun.
Like, like, what do you call?
mindless entertainment almost in a fun way.
You know, that's like what it is.
Bro, I'm telling you a diet full of brain.
It's like what do you call,
indulgent food, right?
They call it indulgent food, but it's another word for junk food.
Yeah, I was going to say,
just junk food, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But they call it indulgent food
to make that positive spin on it.
But brain rot doesn't even sound positive.
It just got freaking co-opted the positivity.
Yeah.
It just is 100% brain rot.
Oh, yeah.
So we're talking about how, like,
what you consume is another version of diet,
like your dietary consumption of media, you know, is something.
You know, it is like whatever.
What are the dynamics of that?
Yeah.
You jump on this app, you have a strong diet.
Yeah, yeah.
Media consumption.
Yeah.
Let's get your death reset.
We get the habit tracker.
That's on the death reset app.
It's also got a printable version.
It's all kinds of good stuff.
And we got the weekly challenges going down.
We're giving away much prices.
So that's the death reset.
Come and check that out.
We got stuff coming from Ashlandfront.
We got origin stuff, Yeti, Sorenax, Roka, Go Ruck, a bunch of cool stuff.
And someone is going to get a ticket to the muster, all expenses paid, San Diego, and come to the new victory, which is the, it's the old but new.
What's a good way to describe the old but new?
I don't know what to call it anymore.
The reinvented, the re-sombaled, revitalized.
and revitalized.
We'll go with the revitalized
Victory MMA, so
and do a little workout.
We'll do some Jiu-Jitsu or whatever.
We'll hang out and maybe get a stake
or something like that.
That's what we're doing.
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Do you say 10 to 15 grams of creatine right now?
Per day?
Yep, per day.
I am on a solid 20.
I'm just up to 20.
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I do 10 in the morning and 10 at night.
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I'm dry scooping it.
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I mean, chocolate banana back there.
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He grabs the fruity cereal from the front fridge.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's a good one.
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Joint warfare, time war.
People overlooked at, man.
Don't.
I like make sure that my kids do super krill.
joint warfare and time war
because it was freaking good
like you know because all my kids are very
active they're very active
they're training they're getting arms
are getting
shoulders are getting bent up
elbows surfing there's like all kinds of stuff
going on there's lifting there's constant
lifting like just going on
there's jihitsu happening
so I'm like you know this is what you got to do
this is the protocol yeah I caught that video
by the way of uh Rana's pre
fight like thing that was a good fun
would you like about that one just the whole vibe
the whole thing yeah just going through it's kind of like you're there
kind of with you guys and stuff and uh you know ran his
personality's very uh sprightly you know so it was a fun
watch that yeah she she really like just loves it
yeah she did another interview uh after a different
like super fight type match
and she was saying you know when I was little I just wanted to
like sing and be on stage and like perform
And she goes, and this is what I'm doing now.
It's like this is my, this is my talent.
This is what I'm doing.
It's her perform.
Yeah, I get to perform with my art.
Yeah.
And that's pretty cool.
Yeah, she still brings that sunshine though.
Oh yeah, no, for sure.
Like she doesn't have that, you know, like some people that bring that intense darkness.
You know, kind of.
Yeah, yeah, which I dig, man.
It's part of the whole thing.
But hers is just, yeah.
But she's just having so much fun.
Yeah.
Bro, you watch her when she's submitting people.
Like she's got the biggest smile on her face.
Yeah.
You know, it's like joy.
Pure joy.
Pure joy.
Did you hear Freya got her blue belt?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
She got her blue belt.
So, you know, that's good.
Because my wife's been a blue belt since like the 90s.
Sure.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Congratulations is in order for the Willink fam girls.
So we need fuel.
Check out joccofuel.com.
And there's a bunch of stores.
You can get the stuff for that as well.
So check that out.
We got Origin USA.
You're gonna need a ghee to train.
Or you're gonna need a rash guard to train.
Or you're gonna need a pair of jeans, a pair of boots, whatever.
You need some stuff.
So check out the new boots as well, the welted,
fully good year welted boots.
We've gone like to that model, that type.
What is that? Welted.
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There's like this bed of cork.
Yeah, yeah, the cork.
Bro, they're so comfortable.
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that out origin USA.com get some yeah those pants by the way are so I use those to travel
which ones factory jeans okay my son last night again we're together last night um
he said why do you always wear those on the plane
Even like if I go to Kauai, you know wear pants on Kauai really very much.
It's like, why do you wear those?
I said, brother, that's the uniform 100%.
No compromises, as it were.
Speaking to no compromises, Jocko store.
So we have some new stuff on jocco store.com.
Yeah, we're coming out with.
I haven't gotten my package of the new stuff yet in the mail.
Well, you know, it's all one big process.
You know, wait, no, no, no, you did, right?
You got the good.
Oh, yeah.
I like those good shirts.
Yeah.
Those came out for the lack of a better way of saying it.
They came out good.
Pretty good.
The discipline equals freedom.
I'm surprised it took you so long to come up with that design.
Yeah.
And I'm also surprised it's not a more prominent design kind of overall.
In life.
The handwritten OCR alpha with a level like between one to 10, like a level nine,
no, level eight aggressiveness in the writing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fair.
Yeah, good assessment.
Well, yeah, you know, I like how it came out too.
So yeah, maybe we'll implement that and more stuff.
Discipline equals freedom 5.0 is already out.
This is all within the last few months.
Get after it.
2.0.
That's the one that's coming up.
New rash guard.
Disability equals freedom rash guards coming out as well.
So be on the lookout for that.
If you care, if you want to be, you want to get the jump on this new stuff.
The new new, new.
Yeah.
And it is advisable because, you know, sometimes you just never know.
You know, it'll land.
People love it.
And then boom, sold out.
I didn't get enough.
which usually I run.
I don't run into that problem,
but it does happen from time to time.
With those polos,
it happened.
Don't let it happen to you.
Don't let it happen to you.
You want to get the jump,
get that email.
That's when they go on set.
Boom,
you can get yours.
You know what I'm saying?
So anyway,
sign up,
bottom of jocco store.
com on the bottom.
You put your email
and you'll get notified
for the new stuff.
Check.
And then what I say,
get after it.
That's going to be a good one.
Get after the nude get after.
Oh, you've made a new get after it.
Sure.
A new one.
Yeah.
Anyway, yes,
Tall and Jocco store.
Also, the shirt locker is a membership,
the membership scenario.
That's, oh, we're going,
we're rolling with that one.
So check out that one.
It's called the shirt locker.
You can click on there and see what it's all about.
The membership,
you get a new design every month.
How's shirt spelled?
S-H-U-R-T.
Okay.
That's a little play on words.
It's a good to you.
Hurt locker.
Yeah.
Also, get some books.
Dave Burke wrote a book called Need to Lead.
Rob Jones wrote a book called Put Your Legs on.
Ryan Mannion wrote a book
called things my brother used to say.
So we got all kinds of books.
I've written a bunch of books as well.
Check out leadership strategy and tactics,
field manual.
Learn how to lead.
Just be able to refer to that manual
whenever you need it.
We also have a leadership consultancy.
It's called Eschlonfront.
Go to Eshlonfront.com.
If you need help with your leadership,
check out Extreme Ownership.com.
If you want to do some online leadership training,
we've got it for you.
And if you want to help service members
active and retired,
you want to help their families,
you want to help Gold Star Families.
Check out Mark Lee's mom.
Mama Lee.
She's got an amazing charity organization
If you want to donate or you want to get involved go to America's mighty warriors.org also check out heroes and horses.org up in Montana with Micah Fink and finally Jimmy May's organization beyond the brotherhood.
org.
And if you want to connect with us, check out jaco.com.
We're also on social media.
You can go there.
Just be careful.
Make sure you bring discipline when you show up there.
I'm at jaco.
We'll link Echoes at Echo Charles.
And of course, thanks to all of our military personnel,
those currently serving and those who have served in the past,
we live free because of you and we are grateful.
Also thanks to our police law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers,
correctional officers, border patrol, secret service,
as well as all other first responders.
We are safe at home because of you.
And we are grateful for that.
And everyone else out there,
Sun Sue said,
Quote, the consummate leader cultivates the moral law and strictly adheres to method and discipline.
Thus, it is in his power to control success, end quote.
So the power to control what you do in your life and the success that you have in your life, the power lies in discipline.
discipline
equals freedom let's impose
discipline and bring power
and control into our lives
in 2026
stand by to get some
that's all we've got for tonight
until next time
this echo and jaco
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