Jocko Podcast - 55: Dealing w/ Hostile Drunk Idiots, How to Eliminate Complacency with Age, Vets w/ Bad Behavior

Episode Date: January 6, 2017

0:00:00 - Opening 0:01:00 - How Important is "Purpose", or your "Why"? 0:07:36 -  If you had to choose:  Jiu Jitsu Gym VS Regular Gym. 0:17:45 - Advice for An Encounter with a Hostile Drunk Idiot 0:35:19 - Leading the Command Staff to understand the Ground Troops 0:43:18 - More on How to Emotionally Detach from Heated Situations 0:49:28 - Dealing with Vets who use Vet Status to excuse bad behavior. 0:58:51 - Default Aggressive in Jiu Jitsu.  Streets, Competition, and Training 1:12:31 - Does Complacency come with Age? 1:16:06 - Interesting and Helpful:  Onnit, Jocko Store, Amazon Support, Jocko White Tea, Muster 002Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 55 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Well, our last podcast, which I guess is no surprise at this point, went a little long. We did not have room for Q&A. So because of that, we have, we will dedicate. Podcast number 55 today to Q&A. Questions from the interwebs,

thanks to everyone that has submitted questions through the interwebs so that we can attempt to answer some of them. Yeah. And with that, Echo Charles. Yes. Questions from the interwebs. What do you got?

Well, first question is, how important is purpose, reason, in being successful like the purpose right well clearly purpose and reason and cause are extremely important this is this is the why of of your actions this is knowing why you're doing what you're doing this is the commander's intent and so you you you absolutely absolutely these are important if you don't know why you're doing something well then let me ask you question why are you doing something it's it's very clear it's very simple to understand

so yeah you got to know if you don't know why you're doing something then what are you going to do when you hit an obstacle you're going to stop what do you what adaptations are you going to make when things go wrong to overcome them you're not going to make any because you don't know why you're doing it yeah so if you have no reason if you have no reason for doing something you're not going to do it so you got to have a long-term goal we got to understand the underlying purpose of what you're doing now this doesn't necessarily means that it mean that it has to be rigid because it doesn't have to be rigid you know I'll tell you an interesting case as an example I'll give you is my

own case right so of course you know I'm all about planning and in and always having a long-term plan and all that stuff but to be honest with you the situation that I'm in right now is a human I didn't have a long-term plan for this. You know, the, the, I, you know, Leif and I wrote the book, I had no intention of writing a book. That kind of happened, you know, because people were asking us and as we worked with businesses, they said, you have this stuff written down, so we ended up writing the book. Once we wrote it, we thought maybe we'd be handing it out when we go and work with companies.

Literary agents saw it today. Let me show this to some publishers. Publishers said, let us publish this. Okay, so you figure you're going to publish it. Well, even when you publish a book, you don't expect it. a bunch of people are going to read it. You expect that you're going to have a book published and that's cool. But it ended up doing really well.

So that kind of happened. With that, all of a sudden I was on a couple of podcasts. Well, I didn't have any intention. When I went on Tim Ferriss's podcast, I didn't say to myself, this is going to propel me into my own podcast. Or Joe Rogan's, I didn't say, now, you know, Joe Rogan's going to launch me into the podcast world. No.

I didn't expect that, but it happened. And you know what? It happened. It made sense to me. Okay. These two guys are squared away. they're squared away in this particular genre and they're recommending my mind is open

okay let's try and make a podcast. Did I know that the podcast was going to be super popular? No, I just thought we were making a podcast so that the few people would want to listen to it. Cool. I mean, then look what happens. Next thing, you know, we're making tea. You know, next thing I'm making tea.

I had no idea that that tea would be part of my world. So all this stuff happened, right? But the goal, really, the underlying, the reason for me doing all this is still the same through the whole thing. And that is that I want to help people. I want to help people with something

that, the lessons that I've learned, I want to help them. So how can I do that? Well, you write them down. Okay, you wrote it down so people can read it? Great. How else can you help them? Oh, you can make a podcast so people can access it easily and cheaply.

Cool, here you go. So the underwriting, lying go oh you know I want people to be healthy well what's a good way to be healthy stop drinking monster energy drinks stop drinking Red Bull 12 a day and start drinking something that's healthier okay cool jockey white tea next thing you know that's what we've got going on so it's it's that's been my that's been my goal and I haven't really even though I even though I strayed from what maybe the original path I thought I was gonna take I still stayed my reason is the same

and I think that's what I'm saying when your reason is clear and your purpose is clear that's going to make your drive clear and that's going to make you execute well because you know where you're going you know you where you want to be you understand your purpose and why you're doing something that's what's going to help you be successful in my opinion do you think that like how you know people they'll be like this is my why and it'll be like their kids or something like that do you think that falls within this like you know like reason purpose and all this stuff yeah i think i think that that's the same the same general that guy could have said purpose reason cause why i think that that yeah the question could have said that i think that if your purpose is your

kids really clear example right and a lot of people might say that well that's cool but that's you're going to have to clarify that a little bit more because if your purpose is your kids then quit your job and just spend all day with your kids well then obviously you're not the supporting your kids because now you can't afford to buy them food. Yeah, so it seemed like there's a lot of different. So your goal should be taking good care of and providing for your children's now and in the future. Wow. Okay. Now that makes sense. Now you're looking long term, short term. You got to, you know that you have to work hard now. You don't have to make investments for them. So that's the kind of thing. That's beyond just a simple, I'm doing this for my kids. Because what are you doing for

your kids? What are you trying to achieve for? Yeah. So like for using that example, like this is my why it's my daughter it's less this is why I'm you know writing a book it's more this is why I can endure the hard days or this is why I'm going to continue to work hard kind of thing at whatever it is I'm doing yeah just have an underlying yes an underlying reason that's that's the question and I think that's the answer yes yeah it's pretty actually I should have just answered that in two words I should have said how important is purpose reason cause and being successful answer very important There you go. You can have a lot of different reasons too, you know, or like a few core, more than one.

Yeah, you know what I'd say. If there's anything to be taken away from this question, it is if you don't feel, here's the, here's, I would say the takeaway. If you don't feel some kind of drive in your life. If you don't feel passionate about something, if you feel like you're wandering and meandering through the world, then it's time to assess. Then it's time to say, okay, what is my reason? What am I trying to do?

What would I like to do? in the world. Now we get something valuable here. We all know that you got to have a purpose. You all do get a reason. So if you feel yourself meandering down the path with no reason, no purpose, dig in and find one. Yeah.

Next question. I want to begin training in jujitsu, but financial constraints dictate that I can keep my gym membership to keep getting after it at 4 a.m. Or begin training jiu-jitsu, but not both. Oh, it's a black and white question, is it? One of the other. Okay, first of all, check around your area and see if there's a gym that has both.

Right. I know that's one of the reasons that we created my gym, Victory MMA. There's an and fitness on there too. Because no matter what you want to do, if you're in the game, you can do it there. You can do striking. You can do jiu-jitsu. You can do wrestling. You can do boxing.

You can do weightlifting. You can do cross-fit. You can do Olympic lifting. You can do powerlifting. You can do calisthenics. So you do everything there. That's why we created the gym. And it's not more expensive than a straight Jiu-Jitsu gym,

or it's not more expensive than a straight CrossFit gym. It's actually cheaper than most of both those. So look around, see if you have a gym that has both. And if there's no gym around there that has both, maybe you do what I did. And you started a gym that has both, right? I mean, you could do that. I did it with some of my buddies.

Said, hey, you know what? We want to train all the time in all these different hours. aspects. How can we do that? Can we go to one gym at, you know, four o'clock in the afternoon? We have to go to another gym at five o'clock. Then we have to go to another gym at seven o'clock. Do we want to do that? No. So what do we do? Make our own gym. Make it what we want. And guess what? When you do something like that in the business world, if you, I think, I think Tim Ferriss said scratch your own itch, right? You, you have an itch that you want to scratch. There's other people that are going to have the same it. And that's what happened

with our gym. So everyone goes, yeah, I want to train. Of course I want to train. So maybe you start your own gym And oh, you're not a skilled Brazilian jih Tjitsu practitioner Guess what? For the first time ever in America There's actually a bunch of really good Jiu jitsu practitioners

And maybe you couldn't get a black belt To come to where you live Maybe you could Because there's a good chance you could But a brown belt, a purple belt They can be a great instructor So you might open up a gym And start that

Now that doesn't mean also so that you have to make a huge investment to do that. You could start off with your garage and some mats. So that's an idea. Another thing you could do if you, okay, so that doesn't exist. How about you find, jiu-jitsu is, this is a tough one, right? We want to stay healthy, we want to stay fit.

But jihitsu is kind of the priority. It's kind of the priority. I'll tell you why. It's learning, right? If you take me and you and we go through this situation, and you decide that you're going to do jiu-jitsu, and I decide I'm going to weightlift. In 10 years, who's happy and who's sad?

We know the answer. The answer is clearly, now I start, because now I have enough money, so six years into it, I start training jiu-jitsu, and you're a brown belt or a black belt, and I don't have this knowledge. And it's going to take me six years to get there.

Meanwhile, you, while you were training, guess what else you were doing? You were doing calisthenics, you were sprinting, you were lifting rocks. You were doing cheap stuff for free. and you're still getting massive benefit. So for me, my priority is going to go to the Jiu-Jitsu because you can go and spend $40 on a set of rings

for your garage or your basement or your hallway. And next thing you know, you can do pull-ups, you can do dips, you can do muscle-ups, you can do squats and sprints all day long, you don't need anything for that. So you can get a massive benefit with a set of rings or you can just get a pull-up bar and you can just do pull-ups and you go to Home Depot and buy a pipe and a couple nails and nail it into the wall.

You got to pull a bar? Now you can do pull-ups, push-ups and squats, and you're good to go. You could become a beast with those exercises. So I would prioritize and do that. I would prioritize the jih Tjitsu, and I'd make some kind of a home gym, or I'd go to a YMCA or some cheaper kind of gym. The other thing, you go to your jit-soo school

and become the mop person. Start cleaning up. Start mopping mats. that's another thing you can do to make this happen. Maybe you can get a little deal cut at both places. Most gym places that, you know, if you go in there and say, hey, look, I can't afford this right now. What can you do for me?

Maybe they'll cut you some kind of a deal. Yeah. The other thing that you can likely do. Now, you're saying you don't have the budget for this situation. What is it in your budget right now that you can cut out? Yeah. That's my question. And the funny thing is, what can you cut out?

Coffee. A lot of people drink two or three dollars worth of coffee a day, probably even more than that. I don't know. You're a coffee drinker. You're a coffee drinker. How much is a coffee addict to drink a day from Starbucks? Yeah, that's a spectrum. And, you know, the-

But we're talking- From Starbucks? Yeah, like three or four cups a day? Yeah, if you're going to Starbucks and buying, yeah, I think, I don't know. I don't buy it from, I just, well, I get coffee from on it, to be honest with you. So you can make your own at home and stuff. But if someone who works near a Starbucks, they stop on the way to work in the morning. It's more than a gym membership. It's four bucks a day.

So that's $120 a month. So boom, you cut out coffee or you make your own. Make your own coffee, yeah. And you're good to go. What about the nights that you go out to eat? You're like, oh, you know, I don't feel like cooking. I don't go out to a little restaurant. That costs you $30, $40 a shot.

Yeah. Get rid of that. What about your cable bill? Your cable bill. You're watching TV. Nothing. Zero productive coming out of that. zero you're not doing anything beneficial for yourself get rid of your cable next

thing you know you get rid of your cable and now you got enough money for your gym membership you know sell there's another one cell phone usage right we rack up the big numbers on cell phone what are you doing what are you doing is it to surf the interwebs and get you know lose your mind so what can you cut down on that because I'm thinking now you could scrape away a little bit here and there just lower your plan and use your use your phone less you're watching the UFC Getting the UFC's? I love the UFC.

But instead of watching it at home for 50 bucks or 59 bucks, go to a bar and pay 10 bucks to get in and watch it there for 10 bucks. You just saved 40 bucks or however many bucks that was. Because I forgot what price that year? Yeah, it depends. See, you know, there's all kind movie night. What about to know? You're going to go see the new movie in the theater.

No, don't go see the new movie in the theater. That cost, that's expensive now, isn't it? Yes. Is it more than $10? I don't even remember. I think it's like 10 or 15 dollars. I think it's 11 yeah. Well, I went one time I was 11.

I was just like over a year ago though. Yeah. So cut that out. Bike to work. Do something. You start shaving a little bit of money because in the long run what you're going to get from these two things from fitness and from jihitsu are going to be going to have so much value in your life.

There's going to be worth way more what these little marginal things that you're cutting out are. Yeah. And that way like at the beginning how you said. it like what is it that you can cut out so basically you're you're identifying what is it right now that you're considering more important than jiu jitzu or the gym or whatever which the term the actual answer to that is nothing there's nothing more important than your life than your fitness and really your jih Tzu is part of your fitness and also it's knowledge and it's confidence and it's yeah okay i'm i know that people are going to freak out okay i'm not saying

it's the most important thing in your life yeah in terms of in terms of of purchases that you can make yes these two things are of the highest level now you need a car to get back and forth to work understood you need a house for sleeping understood you need food on the table understood you need to take care of your family understood as soon as you get into the optional things in life these are the top of two yeah these the top two i think so too and tell me i'm wrong i don't i'm not i can't tell you you good good but so but making that as far as making the decision you're essentially identifying what you currently are holding more important than it. Regardless of what you think is more important, you've got to identify it.

Your actions are a statement. Yeah. Yes. Of what you believe. Yeah. And that big one, too, is like drinking. Like, I don't know. Not everyone drinks.

So who knows? I don't know. Some person might not drink at all. But if you buy a six pack of beer, let's say you do that, you know, I don't know, twice a week or something like that. That's like more than a gym members too. Yeah, that's your. Like the coffee thing is big too. But yeah, there is a lot of little ways.

The cable thing, I got to be honest. Only because you're probably not the only one that watches TV. I know the argument is like, hey, TV isn't good, quote unquote, for anybody. So everyone should just be signed on in the household kind of thing. So what's your point? It's not that easy all the time. Just saying, you know, like there is going to be some ripples in the, you know, especially when you first make that transition,

if you choose to take it upon yourself to cut out cable because you want to go to Jiu-Jitsu now. Oh, and you make everyone in your house, you improve everyone in your house mentally. I know, but it's like surgery. You've got to make that initial incision and open up everything and make a mess before you can repair. You know, so that initial part is going to be a rough transition.

You can get ways around that too. You get Netflix or Hulu. Yeah, yeah. One of those things that you get streaming on demand. Right. The witch is kind of where everything's going anyway, really right now. Yeah. But yeah, there's some good stuff too.

Good. So find a way to do both. It can be done. You can do it. Get creative. The home gym is good. That's good. Because that's something you can just start slowly and start adding to slowly.

40 bucks. 40 bucks, you've got to rings. After a while. Yeah, you'll be good to go for sure. Okay. Next question. Jocco. had an incident I wanted your opinion on.

I love your book and podcast. Always listen and apply your lessons to my life, job, and family. I was driving home one night with my wife and four-year-old son in the car when some drunk idiot was walking in the middle of the roadway. He stood in front of my car, refusing to move, running his mouth. My wife begged me not to get out of the car. The guy reached into his front waistband like he had a gun. And although myself being a police officer and having kind of

countless incidents and experience like this, I didn't feel he did. More like drunken bravado or grandstanding. In any case, I was armed and having trained in boxing and a little bit of jujitsu felt I could have handled the situation. This lasted about a minute of him standing there and eventually I just drove around him while he was running his mouth, calling me names and all that stuff. My first priority, obviously, is getting my family home safely and making sure nobody will ever do any harm to them.

but another part of me felt like what am I teaching my son i mean is that okay um you know is that okay to let people disrespect you and act any way they want towards you so i dropped off my so i dropped off my family and went back looking for the guy he was gone i guess lucky for me as well as him i'm questioning my decision not out of ego but only because of the example i want to be to my son that you never go looking for trouble and confrontation but you don't back down from it either ever okay well just first of all you won just so you know you won you got a wife and a kid yeah you won right so options what are the options here well for one if you're a police officer you could call the police.

You could get on your radio and call him to say what's going on and have this guy arrested before he calls on an actual accident being out in the strode like an idiot, being out in the road like an idiot. So that's an option. But the other thing is like, what are you trying to teach your son?

Are you trying to teach your son that he should fight every idiot that offends him? If that's what you teach him, he is not going to have a very productive life or a very nice life. So there's too many negatives, right, that can happen there. This actually happened to something similar to this happened to me a little while ago. I was down by the ocean, down by the pier in the neighborhood where I live.

And there was a like a tweaker, crazy, you know, drunk on drugs and all that. And it wasn't as direct as this. He wasn't saying anything at me, but he's yelling, swear words. and he's in front of my kid. My kid, this is when my son was probably six or seven years old. And he's just alone. He's isolated, but he's swearing him just acting crazy, right? And what I did was I said to my son, okay, you see this guy right here?

Have you heard of what drugs are? This is what drugs do you right here? This guy, this is where it ends up. So this guy's a miscreant. He's a criminal. And the other thing I told him, I said, what if this guy attacks us? What do you think would happen? And my son was kind of, you know, well, you, you,

would choke him because my son trained jitza at that time and he was well you would choke him and I was like that's right I'm not afraid of this guy we're not afraid of this guy this is no factor because we know how to fight we know how to defend ourselves but that being said what we want to do is we want to avoid this situation you know there's all kinds of all kinds of bad things that can happen there you know this I told my son like this guy could have a knife this guy could have a gun this guy could have this guy could just have a blood-borne disease right this guy could have a blood-borne disease now I go get in a fight with him and now I have a blood-borne disease you know what what it what is that's horrible that's a horrible situation so like I said I told them that this is this is why we train this is

why we know how to use firearms because when people are maniacs and and if they're insane and psychopathic and they have weapons you need to have a weapon yourself you need to be able to defend yourself So our pride, this is what I teach my son. My primary objective is to be safe, right? To not get, to avoid these situations. And guess what? If you still feel the need to like be a man in the situation or prove that you're a man or prove to your son that, which is valuable.

I'm not trying to put that down. You want your son to see that, that you should be strong and that you should be able to stand up for yourself and that you will, don't ever have to back. down to anybody but that's why your son comes with you to the gym that's why he trains jiu-jitsu that's why you trained jiu-s that's why he watches you day in day out working out being strong being tough going to the gym training with firearms that's why he sees all that stuff so he knows I mean I'll say right now my kids if you were to ask my kids like against a random person in the street they would they

basically think I could beat up anyone in the world you know that's what they think because they see me training all the time, right? That's all they see me do. So, so that's that. Now, the disrespect part, the disrespected me, right? Disrespected me is one thing, but now you disrespect my wife. Right? Well, again, how can you be disrespected?

And that's why I explained, I would explain to my son. You cannot be disrespect. be disrespected by someone that has no respect for themselves and if you are a drunk idiot in the street you have no respect for yourself you don't you cannot disrespect me it is impossible for you to give me disrespect you don't even respect yourself

as a human so so that's just that's just doesn't even count and I'll tell my son that all day long or any of my kids that all day long you can't be disrespected by someone that doesn't even respect themselves you know what I I am respect.

I'm even respectful to this drunk idiot, giving him the benefit of the doubt. I am respect. So, you know, then the other piece is not backing down from trouble, right? And I'm not going to back down from trouble, but I am going to avoid it. I'm going to avoid it.

And you know what? Trouble avoids me. It avoids me. And if you are working out and you're staying strong and you have the confidence because you know you can handle yourself, trouble is going to avoid you 99% of the time. And the other thing is you've got to tell your kids, I mean, my son is getting older now.

If he gets in a fight with someone, he could kill him. I mean, that's just straight up what could happen. And so now I've got to, and you know, he's a young kid, so he's got to do the things that you're talking about in this question, prove himself and prove that he's not going to, back down. I got to explain to him. Listen, let me tell you what comes with getting in a street fight. A cool rush, because it's fun, right? It's fun. So you get that. Maybe you get a little bit of props, you get a respect from the, from the, you get a cred, right? Some street cred from your people.

Let me tell you what else comes with it. Along with those two things, which are, which are cool, right? Possible jail time. Possible injuries, possible lawsuits, the broken hand. I mean, even if it's just Okay, those are the big ones, right? Jail time, which there's been plenty of cases where there was a case here in San Diego, guy punched another guy fell on the curb dead. Right? Those things really happen. Oh, yeah.

Not to mention you could get, you know, so you get jail time, you get injury. Not to mention you could get killed, right? Because you think you're a tough guy. Guess what? The greatest MMA fighters in the world get caught with a crack in the face and they get knocked out, you fall down and hit a curb, you could die. So there's that aspect, too. but then you get to the injuries, right?

Because you're getting a street fight, you're going to get some kind of an injury. You're going to get some kind of an injury. It's just going to happen. You know, whether it's just a little cut or a little abrasion, you're going to have something. That's a pain. It could be a major injury.

You could break your hand. That happens all the time. Lawsuits, because now you're going to get sued. Now they're coming after you. And even if you know, it's just a stupid thing like a rip jacket or a scuffney, it just isn't worth it. It isn't worth it, especially because we're talking about an individual that you can crush in an instant.

and that has no value as a human and this guy what this person's doing. None. This person is an idiot. Don't go down to their level and play that game. Instead, avoid that and go to the gym

and train more and be ready. Yeah. That's my opinion. Good job on walking away. Going out to find the guy, luckily, you already said luckily you didn't find him. Yeah. Because right now, who knows?

Maybe you'd be the guy that's on, you go into jail. The cop that, oh, you're a cop and you were armed And you went and got in a fight with this guy and you pulled your weapon because you were losing and you shot him and then what do we see? We see somebody that had a cell phone and they recorded the whole thing

and they see you pushing this guy around. Yeah. It's not a good situation. And you've got to be ultra-responsible when you're carrying. Ultra-responsible when you're carrying. You know that. We all know that.

When we carry, we got to avoid. That's what we have to do when we're packing. Well, yeah, and you can kind of tell when someone's scared. You know, when like, If this guy, and a guy in the street and you're in the car, that's, I don't know, that seems real obvious. You drive around and you go home. But, you know, if someone's like, get it, like, if you're walking on the sidewalk and he gets in your way, that's, you know, it's kind of different or whatever.

But avoiding the situation. Yeah. And you're not scared because you're prepared or whatever and you simply walk around or go the other way or something like that. The people with you, they can tell. They can tell you're not scared. They can tell you're making the right. But if you are scared, whether you fight the guy or you run away scared, they can. tell that too yeah so I had another situation the other day I was walking down the street with my whole

well oh yeah with my whole family thing okay going to get some ice cream it was a couple months ago it was in the summertime going to get some ice cream hell yeah had a discipline disciplinary breakdown in my own mentality we're going to get ice cream sure so we're walking down the street and out of nowhere this guy just gets in my like stood up and got in my face look really fast and I I just kind of looked at him and sort of did the, you know, into the semi, not a full-on fight stance, but I turned, you know, like a quarter turn and just looked at him because I thought, okay, we're going to rock and roll. We'll make this happen.

And almost instantly what happened that you just described happened. As soon as the guy got in my face, he like immediately within a half a second, immediately back down and walked away. It was like he was just trying to prove something. and then he realized really quick he was going to get crushed. Yeah. But anyways, that's the same thing. You know, the guy could tell, oh, you want to fight?

You know? You ever tell you that story about Hoyler? Hoyler Gracie? Hoyler told me this story. And I guess, you know, Hoyler's a really good surfer. And Hoyler was out surfing at a spot in San Diego and, you know, San Diego, like all surfing areas is pretty, um, territorial. And there's some, there's some aggression in the surf.

For sure. And anyways, some guy started getting aggressive with Hoyler and Hoyler said to him some classic line it was something along the lines of hey man you surf for a living I fight for a living if you want to go to the beach let me know otherwise be quiet I thought that was a great line nicely done Hoyler. Brother, this time we went on. But it's the same.

You know, Hoyler's small. For those of you don't know who Hoyler Gracie is, Hoyler's a small, small guy. I mean, he's obviously a master of jiu-jitsu, but he's only 150 pounds, 155 pounds, maybe, really small guy. And he's a nice guy. So he's not a guy that's not a guy that's going to be intimidated.

He's not, his looks are not going to intimidate anybody. I don't even think he has cauliflower airs. I mean, it's just, he just looks like a nice guy. And he is a nice guy. And he's got a nice guy. presence about him. Yeah. So what I'm saying is what again to reinforce what you just said when someone is confident to that level, even though they're 145 or 150 pounds and look like a nice guy with a smile on their face, when you confidently say, look, you know what I do for a living,

I fight. If you want to go to the beach and fight, let me know. And the guy says, oh, you know what, I'm good. I'm good. I'll just leave you alone. That sounds like a plan. Yeah. The little detector goes off like danger, you know. Yeah. Danger. I'm going to get me. my ass beat. Yeah. But some guys are, as far as decision making goes, some guys are crazy, you know, where like how you said, like if they're like on drugs or this guy in this case, if he's in the middle of the road acting like, you know, boys in the hood kind, we got a problem here.

That's what he said he was doing. Like he's obviously off, you know, like he's not a decision maker kind of thing. So, you know, if you jump into a situation with him, it's kind of unpredictable in that weird way, you know. Let me tell you something else. let's say the guy has a gun or doesn't have a gun. You had the moment to get away from him. If you thought if you had a gun, you'd get away from him, right?

Let's say you said, oh, you know what? I'm going to confront him right now. So let's say you get a shootout, you kill him. Guess what you got to do now? You got to hire a lawyer. You got to hang up. You got to take a break from war because you're a copy. There's all these things.

It's so not worth it. It's just a pain in the ass is what it is. It's almost like, I mean, maybe I'm wrong here, But it's almost like you can't really like what what's the thing. What's the goal we're going for? Yeah. Back to the first question of the day. Yeah.

What's your reason? What would be your reason for doing this? Yeah. Like I'm going to go out and, um, and I'm look for, I'm going to look for the guy. But then like what's the goal? Like what's the out like what are we going for there when we go look for him to tell him not to do that again or to what to arrest them or or he's going up to kick his ass or believe.

Right. Right. Yeah. And then even that you don't. A lot of times we don't, I know when you're in that moment, you don't think past that. You're just like, I got to get my. whatever, my revenge, really is what it is. He shouldn't have done that to me.

I'm going to go teach him a lesson kind of a thing. I mean, that's the feeling. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, but guys are weird, man. You can't jump into that weirdness. Just go home with your family and watch TV. When the confrontation happens, the best case scenario isn't good.

The best case scenario isn't good. Oh, yeah, if you jump in there. Just the best case scenario that's going to happen, it isn't good. Yeah. Because you got, even if you walk up and knock the guy out with one clean punch, you got a broken finger. You know, you got a broken knuckle. Even if you walk up and choke the guy,

you got his grimy puke all over. You know what I mean? It's just, there's nothing that good is going to come out of it. Yeah. And Oog, other than it feels good to fight. But that can easily be remedied by going to the gym and fighting. All of your buddies. And in this case, I don't know.

You know, this guy, oh, you knocked out a weird homeless guy in the middle of the road in front of your family. Like, I don't see how that's cool. Cool. You know that? I mean, maybe, I don't know if that would feel good. I don't think so. Yeah. But, yeah, it's kind of weird.

This one time we went on this cruise. And it was me, Terry Tim, you know. Like, Terry's huge. Like, I'm kind of big or whatever. Tim and our girlfriends, this guy was behind us in the booth. We were at a restaurant or something. And we were like, whatever. I guess the booths were flimsy.

So we were shaking the booth. He was behind us. He got up all crazy. He's like, hey, he got. he's what did he say he said yeah you guys are big but you guys keep knocking the booth we're gonna like basically called us out to a fight he had like tattoos everywhere on his neck and stuff and at first i was like man is this guy joking like we're like what's going on i was confused and to be honest i was like almost like i didn't this scenario was so foreign to me i was not i didn't even know what to

say i don't even know what everyone else was doing that's how stunned i was but then tim he was kind of he stuck and stuff. So he was like, is this guy serious right now? He just jumps out. He like stands up, goes to fight him. But the guy was a weirdo.

That's the thing. It was like all of us big guys, you know? And Tim was like, he wasn't scared. Oh, he was ready to like fight. So he gets in his face. The face they're about to fight.

We want us cruise, by the way. We're fighting. You can't fight on a cruise. No. So it's this big scene, you know? And the guy like, he was like, I don't know. I guess he was ready to die or something.

Because he was like kind of down the fight. And guys came like, I think broke it up or whatever. We had to make this big report. It was like this big thing. So it was all just a pain in the ass is basically what we're saying. Exactly, you're right. And I'm saying like what if we fought that guy, you know?

Taught him a lesson. Or what if Tim fought him or whatever? Tim's getting arrested and they got a lawsuit against him. We were on a cruise. Yeah. Now we got to go someplace. Exactly. It's all stupid.

Yeah, yeah. Don't do that. Canststuff. Next question. Jaco. Love the podcast. Part of the question. Oh, thank you.

Right on. any suggestions for leading command staff to understanding the ground level troops in a mission okay so for for those that are not in the military command staff that's sort of for the business world that would be like corporate headquarters you know the corporate headquarters you got the command staff and so it happens in both situations where you end up with with the command staff or the corporate headquarters

that kind of loses track of what they're actually there for, the ground level mission, the troops that are on the ground. And this is a tough question, but it's also kind of a simple one. So I go back to trying to constantly remind people

what the mission is. What are they trying to do? And I had the Admiral, when I was the Admiral's aide, I worked for the Admiral, great guy. And one of the things, I've probably talked about this before,

but one of the best things that he did was because he's so detached from the seal platoons. Like there's layer upon layer upon layer in between him and them. And actually, believe it or not, the job of the admiral that's in charge of the seal teams,

this is going to sound strange to everybody. The job of the admiral that's in charge of the seal teams is to get equipment and gear and training for the seal teams now and for like the next 10 years. because that's the way the budgetary process works in the Pentagon and there's so so don't think of when you think I know you

you want to think of the seal admiral as the warfighter that's going forward the guy that's actually in charge the senior seal now there you could be in a special operations because there's other place you could be but the guy that's in charge of the seals of of naval special warfare command that's what it's called naval special warfare command the admiral that's in charge of that which puts him in charge of all the seals that guy his main His job is to train and equip seals, train and equip. Not take them into battle, but train and equip.

And so you end up with this whole organization where the purpose of the organization is to train and equip. But the organization is huge. And even that command organization gets very big. And so what they start doing is they start losing focus that 10 levels below them out somewhere overseas is an eight-man squad and a zone. Zodiac off the coast of some nation doing a reconnaissance.

It's very, they don't even think about it. They haven't thought about that for years. And so they lose track and it happens in the corporate world as well. Where the head shed, they're dealing with stuff too, right? They're dealing with legal problems. They're dealing with compliance problems. They're dealing with financial problems. They lose track of the fact that there's a guy on the front line that's trying to fix a car

or replace an air conditioner. You know, that's the way it is. So you lose the vision of that. You lose track of that. So what was great about this admiral that I work for is in these big meetings where they would be talking about, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars of expenditures over the next 12 years and various training commands and all this stuff. Huge. And he would always, you know, he would always say, how does this impact a seal platoon overseas? How does this, how does this help a seal assaulter go out and shoot a bad guy in the face?

that's what he would ask. And that snaps everybody, snaps everybody back into reality of what they, it connects exactly what this question is. Suggestions for leading command staff to understanding the ground level tools. You've got to ask that question.

In the business side, I've seen the same thing. You know, the guys totally lose track of it. So you end up, you got to ask the question, hey, everything that you're talking about, this compliance thing, and this regulatory thing

and this new software that you're talking about, let me ask you a question. How is this going to help one of our frontline sales people close a deal? That's the question. That's the whole reason that we're here. The whole reason that this big staff is here, the whole reason we have this building, the whole reason we have this base is so that a seal overseas can close with and destroy the enemy.

Or so if we're a big corporation is so that this repair man can make it to a house and fix an electrical problem in a short period of time efficiently and effectively. That's what we're all here for. So I think that's what you have to do. You have to keep reminding them of what's going on down on the front lines, what the mission is, what the men are doing, what issues are out there. Another thing you could take is you want to take these people with you or you want to get anecdotal information. I know it's cheap. It's cheap to do this.

But you go out and you gather anecdotal information that you can bring back to have. headquarters and say, hey, you know what? I know we're all doing a good job here. Let me tell you, the troops on the ground need this cold weather gear. Right now, they don't have it. Here's a message I just got from a guy overseas. They're up in northern Iraq. We thought it was going to be warm.

Guess what? It's 32 degrees. There's snow on the ground. These guys aren't prepared for it. We need to get into this gear. Okay, so you're using anecdotal information to paint the picture of what's going on in the front lines. Same thing with, you know, if you're a corporate guy and you want to make sure people stay

engaged, go out on a call with that electrician that's visiting a house on a, on a, where there's been a breaker of blown and the guys working through the the payment system that you devise that you thought was so smart. It doesn't get connection while you're out in the field and now he can't run a credit card. Yeah. You want to come back and tell them, tell the head shed that. Yeah. So those are some of the things.

Another thing that you can do is, is you ask those questions all the time and maybe you just come up with some kind of a mantra that you repeat all the time and that you sign your emails with that says, you know, we're here to support. We're here to support the frontline guys. We're here for the front line, you know. Or ask yourself the question, does this help the front line? Every decision that we make,

we've got to ask ourselves, does this help our front line? Does this help our frontline personnel? And I think that's what you've got to do. Now, one thing that you've got to be ready for on this, you've got to be ready for someone to say, they don't understand the big picture. This is what you've got to be ready for

because I've heard this. Wait, who's going to say that? The corporate. Okay. You go to the corporate and say, look, we got the guys on the front lines. We need to get them this gear. And they go, look, they don't understand the big picture. We can't afford that right now.

We don't. Okay. I hear what you're saying. But be ready for it. It's an excuse. It's an excuse. And you've got to be ready for it. And I've talked about this a million times.

The way you get ready for is you have ammunition. You have ammunition. You have ammunition. You've got to have your ducks in a row. If you're going to raise your hand and say, hey, here's what's going on the front lines. Here's a problem that they have. You can't just back down when they say, hey, they don't know what's going on. They don't get it.

They don't get the big thing. That's a big thing they say in the military. They don't get the big picture. I would hear that threat and say, you know what? Actually, we do get the big picture. We're living the big picture. You don't get the big picture.

Here's the big picture. I got front line troopers that need cold weather gear or they're going to freeze and not be able to operate. The picture doesn't get any bigger than that. Now, you can't, of course, come across like that. And what you have to do is you have to look at it systematically and over a long term

and say this is about plan, and I've got a plan for the long term of how we're going to get these guys this cold weather gear in the future, but right now we've got a little fix that's going to cover these guys that are in the field right now. You've got to come armed with ammunition

so that you can refute this common call that gets made, which is they don't understand the big picture out in the field, so don't worry about them. No, the only reason we're here is for those guys in the field. So let's remember them.

That's pretty good. Next wish. You talk about stepping back or detaching to better assess situations. Can you expand on how you detach? Okay. So this is again, this is one I've been asked. I probably even, have I answered this before? Yes.

Should we just skip it? No, I think it's worth it, you know. Okay. I'll go over it quickly since people ask me all the time. Okay, first of all, you want to detach, step back, literally step back. If you're online with a bunch of people in a combat situation, literally step back. If you're in a combat situation, hi, point your weapon. Point your weapon at the roof, at the sky, whatever.

You're not going to engage in your target. You're going to step back. If you're in a business environment, step away from the computer. Step away from the terminal. Put down your pen back away. You're in a meeting, heated meeting. You need to attach, stand up, back away from the table. But literally stand back and step away.

once you do that you relax now that that physical part that I just talked about of literally stepping back that's something that it's a physical reminder of what to do you can get to a point in your life

where you don't need to do that or where you usually don't have to do that but things can still escalate quickly to where even the most highly trained detached person still has to step back and take a wrap off and take a look around. So in most of these situations,

especially when you're first starting to try and do it, physically step back, physically do something that indicates to you as a person and it actually indicates to everyone around you that you're doing this. Like when somebody stands up from the table and steps back, it's an indicator, okay, he's taking a wrap off. It's all dramatic.

We get it. Actually, we're trying not to be dramatic, but it's going to be dramatic anyways. Yes, it is. Now, take a breath, take a breath. look around and make a call. That's it. That's how easy it is to detach.

Now, the actual hard part of detachment is being self-aware enough that you know when to detach. That's the, that's the challenging part because they end up in the situation. By the time, by the time they go, man, I should have detached.

Yeah, that's right. You should have detached. You lost your temper. You got involved. You couldn't make a decision. You got dragged into the wheeze like everybody else did. It's,

if somebody, if I would have, and I've done this plenty of times, We're not training in seal platoons. I would just go up to the leader who was getting dragged in a situation. I'd be like, hey, step back with me. I'd take them two steps off the line. I'd be look around.

And then they'd easily be able to make a decision. That's the easy part. The easy part is stepping back. The hard part is knowing that you need to do it. Because it's like, I guess it's to use this stupid analogy of the boiling frog, right, where you put a frog in water, you slowly start to boil it. Next thing you know, it's next thing it knows it's dead. It didn't realize that though if you threw it into hot water it would just try and jump out immediately

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same thing here. You don't get walk into a room and the chaos is going on. No, you walk into the room and everything seems okay. And then it starts to escalate, escalate, and next thing you know, you're in it. And next thing you know, something bad has happened and you didn't detach in time. So you lost the bubble and you lost control and everything went sideways. So you got to know, you got to understand when it is you need to detach.

You've got to have your own personal red flags to tell you that it's time to relax when you feel yourself getting frustrated when you start getting like that. You need to detach when you feel you if you're getting flustered you go back cut that Okay, detach and you start feeling angry or you start feeling the white knuckles Mm-hmm or you start pecking hard at the keyboard right Right when you type an email out and you're hitting the keyboard hard Yeah, it's an indicator for sure you better not hit send because whatever you wrote isn't good It's not gonna solve any problems you're raised voice right you start raising the voice you start getting angry and agro with people

those are the little things those are the little indicators that tell you you need to detach step back take a breath look around walk out of the room put your weapon at high port just relax look around make a call one more thing sometimes sometimes what what the reason you need to detach is just so you can see something from a different angle And you can ask a question. I personally love doing this. I'm in a meeting, right? And I work with a bunch of businesses.

And it actually gets pretty, you know, I'm getting involved in what they're doing. And they'll be all basically staring at a problem. Right? Staring at a problem. And they can't figure out what the solution, whether it's a leadership problem or a process problem. And they're all staring at this problem.

And they can't come to a solution. Well, I come in, first of all, I'm totally detached, right? It's one of the benefits of my job is I'm totally detached. So when I come in, a lot of times what I bring to the situation or what I can see is I can just ask a question that none of them could think to ask because they're all looking in the same direction. As soon as you flank that idea, you see it from a different angle, you come up with a solution. So my point in this is don't only use detachment to prevent your emotion. from driving your decisions,

also use detachment as part of your creative process to detach from your current thought pattern and move to a new thought pattern where you can create new ideas and different plans from different angles that were not seen from your previous vantage point. It's good. So I guess we did get a little bit out of that detachment there.

Revisit. Revisitation. Next question. How to deal with people who use military vet status to excuse bad behavior in civilian world? Yeah. This is an unfortunate one to have to answer. And unfortunately, I have to start it off with the same way I made this point about jujitsu and jujitsu practitioners not necessarily being. good people.

Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, it's the same thing with veterans, just like it's the same thing in every aspect of life. Just because someone is a veteran does not mean that they are a good person. And being at war is certainly not an excuse for bad behavior. And I have a couple examples. A couple examples just to think about. Major Kurt Chu-in-Lee.

You remember this guy? Navy Cross. This is the guy that wore the pink vest at Inchon so his men could identify him. The enemy could identify him clearly too, but he was the leader. He saw hell, right? Wounded. Men died. 27 of his men made it.

I mean, just ridiculous. Guess what he did when he got out of the Marine Corps. Went to work for an insurance company for 20 years. Right? So Joe Owen, Joe Owen, who, you know, same chosen reservoir battle, never regained the use of his arm that was wounded, was medically retired from the Marine Corps. Guess what he did with all that angst and horror? Guess what he did? Yeah, he created and ran his own marketing business until he retired.

Now, you remember John Chafey from that book, The Coldest War? he was the captain that I kind of wanted the reason I did that book was because he was profiled in there and he just was a great leader well I don't even know if I remember if I talked about this but he turned 20 years old at the bottle of Guadalcanal right World War II he fought at Okinawa World War II then he went to went back went to school when I went to either Yale or Harvard or both but then Korea kicked off so then he went to Korea and got after it more so all this War. What did he do with all that? Came home, you know, became the mayor of Providence there in Rhode Island, became the governor of Rhode Island, and then he became Secretary of the Navy. But so my point in saying these things is veterans are not broken humans. They're not deranged people.

They're just people. And they've seen some stuff. And most of them are carry on and do awesome. The greatest generation, think of the greatest generation. All those World War II vets, they saw. Horrors of war guess what they did came home and dominated that's what they did so Men and women can overcome the impact of war or or at least they can learn to work with it Because even if you know it's even if you have those things that stress you out okay but guys learn how to deal with it

Of course that being said war it does leave a mark and obviously sometimes it can have a Extremely negative effect. So if you know someone like that, well, let's get those veterans some help if they need it and get them some support. Also make sure you're not enabling this bad behavior. This is what you don't want to do. You don't want to enable this bad behavior.

The vets that I meet, they're fired up. They're not complaining about anything. They're getting after it. Don't enable the bad behavior. doesn't help anyone and it's one of those things that it it might make you feel better might make me feel better to help someone out and say you know I understand because you know here's let me enable your behavior some more and it might make me feel better because I feel like I've done a good deed but you haven't done a good deed yeah you've actually not helped them

at all that's one thing I think that's good if you find other vets for them to talk to because other vets will say man I understand bro it's okay but let's Let's not dwell on that past stuff. Let's move forward. This guy's offering you a job or this guy has a job for you to do or this guy has a position you can fill, do that. Do that. Don't dwell in the past.

The past is gone. Wars hell. I know. Now let's live in the heaven we got here in the United States of America. Let's take advantage of that and not dwell on the past. You know, and this is another small thing, but I just hear so much about it. from people. If you got somebody,

have them listen to the podcast to this podcast. I hear from a vet every single day. I hear from vets around America that are like, hey man, thanks. Thanks for having the podcast. Thanks for what you talk about. I get it. Appreciate it.

A guy just sent me a message today. He's like, look, man, I didn't have a gun in my mouth. But he goes, I wasn't doing good. I'm on track. I'm training jiu-jit-th literally I'm training jiu-jitsu I'm in the gym I'm I'm busting my ass at my job appreciate it that's all it is that's all it is because I think when people listen when vets listen listen to the podcast they go okay cool there's other people they know where we're in the game together

yeah they feel that they feel that connection and they know that they're not alone yeah that's the thing that's jacked up man veterans that get they go to war and they come back and they go somewhere There's no one there. Yeah. And all this is is a big bullshit session. You know what I mean? Between, you know, a veteran that's in a book and I'm having a bullshit session with Joe Owen. You know, that's what it is.

And so I think guys, veterans, they hear that and they go, yeah, man, I appreciate it. So have them listen to the podcast and that might be helpful to get them feeling like they're not alone out there. Yeah, I would think that that's the main thing. Like, people don't, like, you don't understand me. You know, you don't understand, like, I mean, not to sound too soft, but, like, you don't understand how I feel about, like, this, even day-to-day stuff. Like, the way I'm seeing this right now, you don't understand. Yeah.

So you do, yeah, you end up feeling, I'm assuming. It's what it seems like. Guys end up feeling alone and they're out there and they're like, and the other thing is they feel like people don't understand me. Yeah, like, I'm here saying, you're right. They don't. Yeah. They haven't been to war.

And the experience of war is all over the place. I mean, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even, I would shine, you know, I would shine major Kurt Chu E. Lee's boots every day for the rest of my life if I had the opportunity to. Like that guy's experience. I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not even the same ballpark. You know what I mean? Not even the same close, not close for what those guys went through it that shows Reswar. And it goes all the way down to some.

guy that, you know, was overseas. That was in the military. It didn't even deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan. Not their fault. They might have wanted to, but sometimes it just doesn't happen. Yeah. So the military experience is all those things. And you don't know what you're dealing with. But one thing we do know is that it is a common experience, you know, going to war. It does have some common threads to it.

And I think that it is hard for people that haven't experienced it to understand. And it makes people feel a little bit like alone out there. so when they hear other vets talking about what goes on, they go, yeah, man, all right, cool. These are not abnormal feelings that I'm having. Right. And they can move on. And I don't know if I've really answered the question of how to deal with people who use their status as an excuse to bad behavior. I think just like anyone else, man, you got to do your best to put them in their place.

And I think what makes non-veterans feel intimidated. And when I was a kid, I looked up to all the Vietnam veterans. Yeah. And I just thought, these guys, whatever they could do no wrong in my eyes. You know, when I was a kid, I was like, that guy's awesome. That guy was a knob, you know? That guy could do no wrong. And I think that's a feeling that a lot of civilians have.

Like, they don't want to approach the subject. Right. And if you feel that way, it's understandable. It's hard. But find some vets around that can help you, that can help that person, that can talk to him about what they're doing. I mean, you know, every company that I work with, there's veterans at every company I work with.

usually have multiple veterans. So find some other veterans. The one thing that's another cool thing that companies do is within their company, they'll have like a veteran program or a veteran club basically inside their company. That's another cool thing. Do that.

Get that thing started. Even if you're not a vet, find the senior vet or the vet that's fired up to do it. Bring him in and then those guys can get together talk and talk about doing better and talk about bringing some of their military experience to barren the company. And it just will turn out good. So those little veterans organizations, that's what they call them, veterans organizations inside of companies are pretty cool.

I've spoken to a few of them. It's a pretty cool deal. Next question. How does default aggressive apply to Jiu-Jitsu or does it apply to Jiu-Jitsu? Well, good question. Now, well, first of all, it doesn't apply during training. Okay? But it completely applies during competition and obviously it applies in the streets.

So what I mean by that is in training, it's okay to get in bad positions. It's okay to let things happen. It's okay to let somebody grab that collar or grab that sleeve or get a cross-line. It's okay. I mean, it's okay to put yourself at risk in competitions. That's okay. Matter of fact, it's encouraged in a lot of ways. In training.

Yeah, in training. It's encouraged in training. But in competition, you can't do that. You cannot do that. In the street, you definitely cannot do that. In fact, in the street, you've got to proactively and aggressively, first of all, avoid the bad situation. But if they come, then you've got to handle those situations with aggression and speed and violence of action. That's what you've got to do.

So competition is kind of. Kind of the same way. In competition, if you give a guy an inch, if you give a guy a grip, if you give a guy a position, they will not, they will not let go of it. It's not happening. They will hang on to that thing. Like with the ghee in competition,

somebody gets a grip on some part of your ghee. They white knuckle that thing, especially in the lower belts. But it's the higher belts too, man. It's every belt. Because that Ghee, that grip, can be the difference between winning and losing, period. Yep. So you gotta aggressively avoid that.

You gotta be aggressive with your positions. Now in training, again, you let it happen, but here's something that can happen in training. Sometimes you get guys that get used to training and they go into competition, they get overrun. They get overwhelmed and overrun because they thought, man, I'll just, oh, the guy grabs my collar. They Jocko grabs my collar all every time we roll.

Right. And they don't realize, that when this guy grabs your collar, he's going to attack. Yeah. And so what you have to do, and the other thing is, in a competition, there's a time limit. Because there is kind of a, a, there's such a thing sort of as a counter puncher

in Jiu-Jitsu, right? Someone that, and I'm kind of like that. Yeah. Like I don't, I don't usually force a move to happen. Usually I'm gonna let you make your own mistakes. I'm gonna let my opponent make a bad move. and then I'm going to capitalize on it. Because there's a lot less work for me.

I mean, it's, it's a lot less work when your opponent gives you, gives you the submissioner, gives you the transitioner, gives you the sweep, then trying to make it happen. But again, in competition, it doesn't really work because they're not going to give, they're not going to take any risk. They're not going to take any risk and there's probably not going to be any openings. Now, again, another piece is in a long match. Maybe my, you know, maybe I'm just trying to tire somebody out.

Yeah. Now in the gym, I have an unlimited time to do that. I can tire somebody out for 20 minutes, just trying to let them pass my guard. And they're trying to pass my guard the whole time. I'm getting them tired, getting them tired, getting them tired. And finally they expose himself. Boom, I put the choke on. Good.

I win. That took 20 minutes. This happens on a daily basis. In a competition, I just lost. Because it was a 10-minute match and the other guy was on top for 10 minutes trying to pass. And he got the advantage and he wins. So you can't, that can't be your. strategy if there's no time limit.

It's the same thing in war, right? In war, you can have a strategy of, I'm just going to wear the other person out. I mean, the Vietnamese did it to America, right? They just kind of war us out. Look at what the Russian strategy of, that they used against Napoleon, they used against the Nazis,

oh, you want to come at us? Cool. We're just going to back up a little bit at a time, back up a little bit of time, back up a little bit of time. Here comes the winter. And now you're going to freeze to death and we're going to surround you

and you're going to kill you. But that's the same type. of strategy. It doesn't work if you if you have a limited amount of time to win. You have to have if you if you have a limited amount of time which most cases you do you have to have a default aggressive attitude and make things happen the way you want them to happen not the way your opponent wants to happen. Have them happen not the way your enemy wants them to happen. And it's the same thing obviously in business and in life. The good. things the good positions the good details the good promotions the rewards they're

not going to come and knock on your door you got to go out and you got to take them you got to make them happen on the mat in business and in life so get default aggressive that's my recommendation yeah it's weird and jiu jitsu is so ambiguous as far as like an art and there's like this big spectrum and there's all these exceptions, you know how you say the counterpuncher in Jiu-Jitsu where like some guys even like you can be a counterpuncher in Jiu-Jitsu and still be like aggressive.

So your first move won't be like, okay, if you're going for a sweep, your first move won't be the sweep. You'll go, okay, I'm going to do this other thing. I know his reaction is going to open him up for the sweep. Well, for sure, for sure. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's cover and move, actually. It's covering move.

It's flanking. Yeah, yeah, it's flanking. Yeah, because, you know, I start attacking your neck and you pull your hand up to defend it. Boom, that took your base away. I'm sweeping you. Right. Right. Boom.

That's, that's what it was. It was a cover move. Covering my actual attack with my other move. Yeah. Or you can call it a flank because you think I'm going to come at the front, but then I'm flanking you from the side with the sweep. Yeah. When you put all your tubes on the front, you know, the front. Yeah, it's almost like, that's almost like a philosophical question where you can answer it as it applies to something specific.

So like, for example, like default aggressive in jiu jitsu meaning my default aggressive way of approaching it will give me advantage in this way where I'm going to impose my game, whether that's the counterpunching game, whether it's the wear him out for a while game, whether it's, you know, overrun him out for a while game, whether it's, you know, overrun. run him with my conditioning game. Whatever that game is, I'm going to aggressively put it on him before he puts it on me. Like right from the time the guy says, go or, you know, when it goes down the street, whenever. Even in training, whatever. You're training like that, if you want. So that'll keep him in the defensive where he can't get his game going on you. You know, he's defending your game the whole time.

Yeah. You definitely, definitely want to impose you will. I can say that all the time with UFC fighters. You want the UFC fighter that imposes his will on the other fighters are going to win. Yeah. They're going to win. And it's the same thing with war. You impose your will on the enemy.

That's what you do. You impose your will on the enemy and you'll break them. Yeah, man. That's why you see guys like in UFC, they'll run to the middle of the ring, you know, because they're like controlling the ring or like a BJPen would all be, if he's coaching somebody, he'll be like, be first, be first, you know. It's like you put him so the guy got to defend the whole time. And it's when you're going against a striker that, at half,

has that attitude and is being first it's it's not fun it's not fun they're hitting you and you're not you're just defending the whole time yeah and it's hard to turn it around yeah yeah man you can tell like when you roll against a guy and we talk about this before when you roll against the guy and even if he's not like his game isn't aggressive but right when you lock up with him you can tell he's just like just in the correct position you're like dang I can't get like a good like and when you're like okay, I'm going to get in my position and he just adjust like immediately. You know you're in trouble. Yeah, you're like, oh, dang, that's, that's in a way, even though that might be like

kind of like a passive game sometimes, it's like just his game being put on you, position wise in this case. Yeah. Is that default. As opposed to like, you know, like, you know, sometimes like in training, you're training with me. You'd be like, okay, I'm going to, it's essentially letting someone get into a good position on you. So you're training your defense or whatever.

Yeah. That's different. That's like, that's not default aggressive. No, you're talking about I'm really good from the half guard. Yeah. So I let you get past my full guard to the half guard and now you're in my world. Like something like that. Yeah, that would be, I guess, would that be considered default?

It's like Stilts. Stilts has his weird game because he's tall and lanky and flexible. And so he does things, like he'll stick his foot in a place where any normal situation in Jiu-Jitsu, you'd grab his foot all day long. Yeah. That's what he wants you to do. Yeah. And I was just telling him the other day, I said, all these little things that you want me to do, I'm not doing any of them. Yeah.

And it's weird. And you just stop doing them. And so the way he imposes his will is by giving up these bait. He just throws bait out there all day long. And he wants you to get you into these positions that he's good at. Yeah. And so you can't take the bait. You can't take the bait.

And sometimes the bait is ripe looking. Yeah. It's like ripe for the harvest. Yeah. And it's everywhere. And it's everywhere. Yeah. And so you've got to just say, no, I'm going to stick to the game plan here.

Yeah. I'm going to impose my will, which is I'm not going to grab. the bait. Yeah, and that's so crazy because like I said, kind of philosophically, that is a default aggressive thing when all you're throwing out is bait. So instead of imposing my game, I'm like kind of lured by this bait. Even if you know the bait is there, you're on your heels because you're watching out for the trap. Well, this is just to kind of, I think down the same vein that you're talking about, I talk about safety. Like I'll talk to companies about safety, you know, industrial companies or construction companies or manufacturing companies that can have people get killed

if they're not careful. And so I talk about being aggressive. And you know, it's okay, well, then Jocko, how does default aggressive going to keep us safe? Because if I got guys that are out in a construction site being super aggressive all day, guess what? They're going to take risk that they shouldn't. And I say, absolutely wrong, because guess what you're going to get aggressive with. You're going to aggressively implement your safety procedures. You're going to aggressively like, hey, you know what I see a guy walking around the job site without a helmet we're all over him hey jackass put your helmet on get over here I'm writing you on whatever you're gonna do right right oh I see a guy without a seatbelt hey you're not allowed to be on the site without a without a seatbelt on get over here you got

you know we're docking your pay you're gonna get aggressive in the implementation of your safety procedures and yes that will make you safer yeah so it's yeah I guess when you hear the word aggressive Okay, I'll give you another physical example. Yeah, I'll give you another physical example. Another physical example is, okay, we're in a defensive perimeter. I don't have enough men to move or I've got wounded guys. I am going to aggressively set security, right? I'm going to put a big machine gun over here.

I'm going to get that high ground over there. So you can do things aggressively, even though by their nature, they might not seem aggressive at first. Yeah. I think that's what you're trying to say. Yeah. Yeah, fully. So it's almost like it's deeper. It's deeper than just like physically just jumping in.

Absolutely. It's more like the idea of whatever's going on. Here's another one. I am going to aggressively ignore you. No, I'm going to aggressively counsel you and mentor you. Now, the worst thing I could do is go, echo, you better listen to me. That's the worst thing I could do. But to be aggressive in doing that, what am I going to?

going to do, I'm going to set really good goals. I'm going to flank you. I'm going to get into your mind. I'm being aggressive, but it's not an external aggression. It's an internal aggression that only I know is happening. You're going to know what's happening in a year when you've all of a sudden improved and you've been successful. And you go, dang, man, Jocco's really helped me out with some stuff. I didn't really realize that was going on. But he did. I was aggressively doing it, but you would have never called it aggressive from an external viewpoint. Yeah. So it's as opposed to, let's say, like some sort of a laid back approach. right like if you have a laid back approach to security if you have a laid back approach to mentorship or whatever

or a laid back approach to safety well none of those things are good that's why we have a default aggressive attitude about things there you go clarified get after it I don't know though one could say that back to the question one could say that having a laid back attitude in jujitsu then again on the street that'll be less likely to have a laid back yeah jiu jitsu in the street there's exceptions everywhere I would think but I would say you know if it's going down it's going down default aggressive get aggressive in the street yeah telling you right now yeah once it goes once it happens once the decision has been made yeah get after it's go time it's not go time it's not good avoid it as long as you can avoid as long as you can but when you got to go go hard go

legit thing I think we're at our last question my friend jocco does complacency come with I see a lot of guys that back off as they get older. Do you have the urge to back off? Does complacency come with age and do I have the urge to back off? Negative. Negative. Back off? Not happening.

You know, I hear that I'm over 40. I'm pushing 50. Whatever. Bring it. Back off. negative not happening in fact I'm stepping it up I'm training harder eating cleaner I'm training more I'm learning and reading and studying more now than I ever have in my whole life do I get dinged up of course I do there take some some injuries

yeah you know what no factor no factor no factor deal with them because you know what you know what I hear I hear the clock ticking that's what I hear and the end is nigh and time waits for no man and you young guns out there 18 years old 20 years old 24 years old listen life goes by and it goes by Quick, don't waste those years. Don't waste them. Live them. Now, I know.

I know that you don't think you're going to live to be 30, much less 40, but you are and you will. And the earlier you get in the game and get on track, the better life you're going to have. Healthier, wealthier, stronger, smarter, better. better and if you're an old man like me and you haven't gotten on track yet get on track get on it now everyone everyone listening to this here's the deal no complacency no complacency no backing off no slack whatsoever fight that ticking clock with everything you got so

like the end of a hard day you can put your head down with ease satisfied that you've given your best and I think that's all I've got for tonight now echo is If anyone wants to get in the game as far as this podcast goes, what's the best way for them to do that? Well, it's as far as this podcast goes and as far as they go. Hmm. I don't know if I'd call it help. I'd call it supplemental additions to your life.

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Okay. Because sometimes, I don't know how it is now. I've been out of the supplement game for a while as far as taking protein powders. As far as the bad supplements. Yeah, or we'll just say the general mix of supplements, you know, power gainer 5,000. or whatever. Recovery, you know, XYZ, whatever.

Sometimes it can just be nonsense in there. But on it, you know going in, I think we all know, that it's the legit one. The only legit one that I know of, for sure. The one that I know guaranteed is legit. Put it that way. That I do. Anyway, I would recommend

krill oil 100%. Crill oil is real. Take it. It's for your joints. I take three 500 milligram krill oil in the morning and three in the evening. Oh, dang six. Yes. Dang.

That's what I do. I take three a day. Okay. That's fine. My daughter lifts them up to the sun and she thinks it's like a red jelly bean. It doesn't taste like a red jelly bean. Don't eat it. Don't chew it.

No, don't chew it. Yeah, it's a little thing. Anyway, that's acrylic oil. The warrior bar is. that's a big deal, I think. They're like... They're the opposite of a donut in every way, except for taste. Yeah, they're gluten-free too, by the way.

Yeah, they taste, well, they taste different than a donut, but just as good, if not better, my opinion. Better. I ate three of them all I want. I just called it a meal. It's my meal. Do you stack them together, or individual? No, bra, individually. But anyway, and also Shroom Tech.

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Shroom tech is real. Shroom tech sport. I haven't tried Shroom tech immune. I haven't tried it either. Yeah. Because I'm more in the sport. mode. Right, right. You usually sport, not sick. Oh, but you can just have it because you just want your general immunity to be solid. That's like a good solid thing. Nonetheless, Shrintech sport is real.

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It's so easy. It doesn't cost you nothing. But then the support that it brings is like a lot, you know? Yeah. Bro, I'm telling you. Well, we appreciate that. Yes.

Small gesture of support to the podcast. The small gesture goes a long way. Yeah, especially when you team it up with a bunch of other people. The death of a thousand cuts will kill someone. But the life of a thousand clicks

is what we did. Just the small clicks is Eccl's looking at me like I said something bad. No, no, good. You said it good. The life of a thousand clicks.

The life of a thousand clicks. You click on that thing? Just... Yep. You're going to get some duct tape might not seem like a big deal. But if a bunch of people got duct tape and they all click through,

Maybe it turns into a big deal. Then we don't have to put advertisements on here. Yeah. Which we don't want to do. Yeah, where we could. Maybe we will. Jock would be reading and advertised it. I don't know.

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Yeah, whichever one it's on, man. That seems obvious, but that's a cool way to support. And then the YouTube as well, you know, put some excerpts on there. More excerpts. That's the right word, right, excerpts. Yeah. Little bite-sized nuggets of jaco wisdom. That if you are inclined to share, you can share,

and kind of being sure that the likelihood of them listening to the whole thing is higher than if you just share the episode of the podcast. Yeah. Because if you're like, hey, you know, here's the good way to approach college. And you want to share this with your first. friend because they got a son that's going to college or you're sharing it with a friend because they're going to college. They're going to listen to that way more likely than listening to two hours of that episode. It's a long time. Yeah. Because maybe they're going to college like

that day or something. You know what I mean? Or they can just listen to it while they're in college, whichever. But anyway, they're just more consumable, we'd say. Yes. Yeah. Bite size. Like a McNuggett. Jocko McNugget. It's, yep, exactly. So anyway, the point there is YouTube. That's a cool way to support and whatnot. Anyway, and there's a store. Jocko has a store.

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I thought you gave up on the layers. Now you're back in the game. We're still doing layers. Yeah, we're still doing it. If they resonate with you and you're compelled to get a shirt, support the podcast, represent the layers in your part of the world. If you're a cadet at West Point,

if you're a, guy with a truck with a bumper sticker on it no matter who you are if you choose to want to represent do all that get it get a shirt get a sticker get a patch a hoodie get a hoodie get a hoodie get a rash guard if you're you know if you don't have a rash guard and you're doing jiu jitzu or cycling or running crossfit anything with like a lot of activity get a rash guard if you haven't already if you want anyway there is also cyclical psychological warfare. We went through really the, what, the beginnings or the purpose, not the purpose.

What do you call it? The, the formation. The formation. The story behind that. Last time. Basically, it's Jocko's version of those days where you kind of got to, this is my words, in my own words, Jocko's version of the, you know, those days where you got to talk yourself into doing the workout or not eating, you know, a whole thing,

Oreos or whatever. And you got to talk yourself into. Not even one Oreo. Yeah. Not the whole thing. One. Yeah. The moments of weakness.

Yeah. When you got to talk yourself into it or out of something, you know? Like, hey man. Hey, you have to do this workout. Doesn't sound like that, but that's essentially, you know, what it is. You know, it's Jocko's version. You go on iTunes. You purchase either a track, $0.99.

Or the album, like $9. I think. Something like that. I think it's actually. 99 yeah and there's a wake-up one you can put on your um your alarm clock on your phone to wake you up clear it with your wife or whoever you sleep with go over it go over the whole plan like a drill like kind of like a fire drill really because i'm telling you if if you hear that even if you forgot that you put it on your phone and you hear that bro i'm gonna have some explaining to do the feedback

has been really good yeah people that have had trouble waking up, and they don't have trouble waking up anymore. People that have trouble when it's snack time, people that have trouble with that, they can't, they can't say no to the donut. You get this, get the psychological warfare attack going on against the donuts. The psychological warfare will win every single time. Yep. And if you're having a hard time, if you're having a hard time figuring out which day is workout day and rest day, you know, when you're, I can help you figure that out real quick. Exactly right.

Yes, that's a good point. Rest day, it isn't today. Yeah. If you're switching your workout day to the rest day, like if you're doing those, which I used to do, this will help that for sure. I can all say that right now in public

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Question. Well, is that you're talking about the schedule. Like this one, you'll have like a schedule more of or what? We'll have a little bit more. But just people didn't, people just wondered what we were going to be doing there.

Right. And, you know, we, they kind of just took it in faith that we were going to, that they knew one thing that we were going to do there. And that was get after it. And we did.

And so, you know, we're going to do it again. And like I said, I think I said this last. Echo's making videos and once the videos come out and kind of show what's going on It's gonna sell out because the footage from the first one is awesome and it's gonna sell it quickly so Get in get there now and get your tickets now so that you can come you can hang out with a bunch of

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