Jocko Podcast - 555: The Nature Of Man Is War

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

>Join Jocko Underground Full Episodes< René Quinton’s extreme ideas about war, human nature, struggle, and heroism. They examine why humans are drawn to conflict and why a life of comfort may be something worth fighting against.0:00 – René Quinton & Maxims on War 4:21 – Does Human Nature Love War? 13:22 – Competition vs. Collaboration 16:10 – The Male Psyche: Friend or Foe 24:05 – Why Men Seek Risk, Combat & Danger 31:00 – Tribalism, Fighting & Understanding Jiu-Jitsu 37:04 – Service, Sacrifice & the Nature of Heroes 49:44 – Success, Wealth & Why the Process Matters 58:57 – What Makes a Hero? 1:07:02 – War, Hardship & Why We Reject the Easy LifeSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 555 with Echo Charles and me. Joccoe Willink. Good evening. Good evening. The worn body of the brave always finds a reserve. The rapture of service is too strong for the body, however spent to refuse its duty. And that right there is a quote from a book called Maxim's On War. It's written by a guy named Renee Quinton.

And you're going to find, and we were discussing before he hit record, that some of his Opinions on war and human nature are extreme. Some of them are some of them are very extreme. We may even go so far as to say they're too extreme. But as I read through this book, there's a lot of elemental truth that these statements are rooted in. This guy, he was a Frenchman. He was born in 1866. and his father was a doctor and like a local mayor

and he's pretty wealthy. And his mom was, you know, a homemaker. And he grew up, he was very into writing. He's who he wrote poems and books and stuff like this. And he tried to pursue writing. I think he was kind of, quite frankly, I think he was what in modern day, we would call him a trust fund baby.

You familiar with this term? Of course, yes, sir. So he was like a trust fund kid and he tried to pursue writing for like a decade. And then he realized and I don't think he he never finished a project. He would just like write and start and whatever and then he decided, okay, I'm gonna pursue something else and he became a biologist. He went in a biology and he studied, you know, marine life and he made this this

potion and it's you can still get it by the way. It's called serum to Quentin like means like Quentin's serum and it's some kind of saline saluting solution. He made it from seawater initially and it's supposed to help with the whole plethora of diseases and ailments and whatnot eventually he became interested in aviation as well He was in which meant interestingly like around the turn of the century that meant he meant he was into like ballooning You know like hot air? Yeah like balloons that was aviation back in the day Okay, so he did some of that but he was pro kind of real planes too once those things started rolling out And then the war broke out, the First World War.

And despite not being required to serve because of his age, which was 48 years old, in 1914, he joined. He joined up. So he's 48 years old. He's had this kind of strange life. And he joins up. And he just goes to war, World War I, fought in just battle after battle after battle. all over France. He fought at the Somme, Champagne, Trigny,

the list of battles that he was in is ridiculous. He's wounded seven times. He, and on top of that, he suffered severe frostbite to his feet. He was highly decorated. He was highly decorated by France, his native country. He was also, you know, he also received a Distinguished Service Cross from both America and the United Kingdom. and he was highly decorated by Belgium as well. So the guy definitely got after it.

And after the war, he finally sat down and started writing what he had learned at war. And that project, which he came close to finishing, remember I said he never finished a project as a, when he was a writer. And unfortunately, he didn't finish this project either. He was editing it and he was writing it, in drafting it and whatever, and he died.

But before that, he's like the first part of this book is the most heavily edited, so the furthest along the process. And this book here, which is released by Perth Imperium Press, that's the name of it. So that's who made it. It's edited. And they did a good job putting together. And we're going to look at the, we'll look at some of them today. I think this might take us a little bit of time.

So very interesting in some cases like I said very extreme maxims, but again, I think a lot of them are rooted in some level of truth. So let's get into it. Starts off. Men may dream that they do not love war, but nature loves struggle and death. That's what we're going out of the gate. Now, again, as you and I talked about a little bit before, the we hit record and you pushed back a little bit against this concept and I just threw at you like why are there so many movies about war books about war movies about war videos about war videos about war

it's war all over the place so why is that you know it's it's if people don't I hate to use the word love but if there's not some deep part of a person's brain that doesn't want to watch war why do we why do why do why does 20 war movies come out a year and by the way the way It's not just historical war. It's aliens war. It's all kinds of war. Mafia war, gang war. It's just war.

Infinity war. What's that? I think it's one of the Avengers. Oh, the Avengers. Check. So it's a good point. That's the opening, by the way. Men may dream that they do not love war, but nature loves struggle and death.

Next, it is in the, it is in the bloom and fullness of their age. Nature dedicates males to death. Yeah, which is why you get, why is the insurance rates for an 18-year-old boy very high for a vehicle? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He is dedicated to death. Like, that's what he's doing. He's pushing the envelope.

Nature creates species. It does not create beings. The species is the end. The being is only the servant of that end. It is the nature of the individual to be deluded about his destiny and to believe he was born for himself So he's saying your whole purpose is not for you. It's for the species He says man places this is like he's got a bunch of footnotes the footnote for this one is man places value on us on his existence nature does not Yeah facts

Yeah nature doesn't care you You got all this big life, got all these things and all this stuff. You just get eaten by a bear. The bear literally does not care at all about you. He's just like food. Do you think when you eat a chicken nugget, you know, you're a chicken nugget to a bear? You are. You don't think about the impact of the soul when you're eating a chicken nugget.

A bear is just crunching your head doesn't care. No thought whatsoever about anything that your wife, your kids, your future. your mortgage your house the little dreams you had of videos you were gonna make like what you did your memories it's all just chicken nugget boom gone i understand yeah only heroes suspect they were not born for themselves key critical fact war does not transform men it returns them to their native purpose war is the natural state of males. Now you seem to have a little bit of pushback before we hit record on this idea.

I still do and I don't because I don't want to interrupt like this. Interrupt, you know? Interrupt the titan of facts over here. All right. It was what? The titan of talking. Eight minutes of this. So I can't be like,

whirr, that's not, well, there's more to it than that, you know, kind of a thing. So yeah, I get it. And keep in mind, too, I suspect. I just suspect. I'm not saying, I'm not proclaiming this,

but I suspect. that his whole experience caused this little bit of bias for the outcome of this book. Yeah, you're right. So he put himself in a very specific environment. And that environment's like very intense, very exclusive too, by the way. So he's coming up with all these, you know, conclusions and stuff based on this very exclusive environment over time. True. So I'm not saying or disagreeing with that, that there's a lot of truth to that.

I think that there's like, you know how you, you know your little terrarium speech. that you give me and others from time to time. I feel like it's one of those situations where he's in this terrarium. Yeah, terrarium. Aquarium. Terrarium. Fish tank, whatever.

And he's like, bro, this is it. This is what's going on in here. Meanwhile, there's like one, two, three more terrariums next to him, by the way. But he's just not looking because he's not in that terrarium. You see what I'm saying? So he drew all these, this is what it sounds like so far. Okay. He drew all these conclusions in his very specific one.

Meanwhile, there's these other ones driving the whole bigger picture. You see what I'm saying? That kind of compliment. meant it and stuff like that. That's what it feels like. I thought where you were going to go with this idea was that this dude had kind of tried some other stuff, tried to be a writer, tried to make this serum, you know, kind of tried to get to the peak of these other things and it didn't really happen.

So then at 48, it's like war happens. And now all of a sudden, and he's going to talk about this stuff, all now this is like, nothing else matters because we're out here. Yeah. And so this seems like the peak thing. Now let's say he'd have been a Nobel Prize. scientist who had discovered in this serum that he made was, you know, world renowned and saved all these people. Maybe he wouldn't feel the same way. Yeah. But I kind of think he's saying,

yes, I would. Yeah. And I understand. And then, but and keep in mind to like when I talk about this bias, like he's going to he's going to go in this war environment. We'll say. And not only is he going to think that's the whole world, he's going to draw like analogies to everything mapping back to So he's going to call everything war when you could do that with construction as well like building something No good yet there's a lot of things you could be like well isn't that just another way of saying building you see You got to throw away the scraps when you're building otherwise you can't build it you seem saying you can you can make a metaphor But it's that's what I'm saying it's not going to be a one-to-one metaphor yeah yeah and that's that's kind of my point where if you're in a wartime environment you can make metaphors war can be metaphors for like a lot of stuff metaphor for a war for a war is the metaphor for everything ever Everyone's comparing everything to war all the time.

Yeah, yeah. But they have to compare it to war, but it's not war. Right. We all know that. That's what I'm saying. That's what he's saying. Okay. Not war.

Okay. Like all the other stuff, the building, the whatever, doesn't matter. Yeah. All right. Next, as much as man dreads death in the calm hours of life, so too does he naturally accept it in the midst of struggle. Being all afraid of dying and then you get in war, you're like, well, going to happen, could happen. I'm down with it.

Ready in the universe the service of the species imposes on females the burdens of risk The burdens and risks of maternity it imposes on males of the same blood Fratricidal struggle combat amongst themselves death if need be What instinct commands the animal accepts by nature males are made to die or at least to accept the risks of death in battle As I said this guy goes hard this guy goes hard and when I say there's some

you know a morsel of truth in there I can see this morsel of truth yeah and again I do too but even that what he just said there it's kind of he's like men are made to die or at least willing to accept the wrist those are two completely different things

so yeah I don't know like I said this is just the beginning so I don't know I'll give you time process it um nature does not will fertilization it wills essential fertilization the primary mission of males is not to reproduce but to kill one another across the living world their slaughters precede love the female propagates the species the male through his death selects it nature which reaps the benefits creates males to destroy one another she grants them both the taste for it and the strength to risk it and by she he's talking about nature

So that's what we're doing and isn't it crazy? You know that we're supposed to be this enlightened, you know, educated species now with with thought and logic and right now as we're talking, there's people just slaughtering each other out in the battlefield. Yeah. So it's kind of well, you know, maybe in your coffee shop or whatever you're sitting there going, oh, this war is doesn't make sense. And meanwhile, some dude over in Ukraine is just like getting ready to freaking charge a trench for the 14th time in two weeks. Yeah. Again, and not to, I don't want to keep us here on the first chapter, whatever. First page.

Page. Let's go. But I think where maybe we might fundamentally disagree at this time, me and Renee here. Okay. Is he's focusing on the war part of it and saying that's everything. And I said, and I actually told you this before where I think, if you want to break it down, down to the fundamental building blocks. At the very least, there's two.

There's like a balance between collaboration and competition. So he's talking about just the competition part. You have all competition. Everybody kills each other and everybody dies. You got to collaborate if you want to, you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. But in most cases, you're just collaborating so you can kill other dudes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ultimately. But still, that collaboration exists along the science, is what I'm saying. But only to further your war efforts. Or you further your war efforts just for a greater. collaboration. No. I think yes. Of course, you're going to say no.

I understand. That's what I'm saying. I don't want to keep us in the first page. But you see what I'm saying? This is where we get, you know, we start getting more extreme. The male who dies serves the species by leaving to others the task of propagating it. Nature denies males the right to reproduce. Races the right to endure. This right, males and races must win it through struggle.

The first duty nature lays upon them is not to live, but to triumph or die. Going hard in the paint. Yeah, I agree with that. The burden of dying is as natural to the male as the burden of bearing is to the female. The destiny of males is to stake their lives in the service of the species. Every male carries within him the calling to die. And his footnote here is nature does not love males. Within every species, males are tasked with destroy.

destroying one another for the salvation of the species. Like that's what you're going to do. And, you know, when you take, I think a lot of the stuff that you're, you're seeing, you're picturing with like the veneer of society on it. I think, meaning, oh, we're going to collaborate because we're trying to build something. No, no, no. And when that veneer goes away, it's like, yeah, I'm going to beat you to death with a club.

I mean, yeah, half the time. Half the time, that's true. The other half is like, no, no, no, let me team up with this. Because like, even if you're fighting, you're fighting, you're fighting force. something. You know what I'm saying? So it's not like, oh yeah, we're just going to fight for no reason because we're meant to fight and die.

No, that starts to be. That is what he's saying. I know. That's what you're saying. That's why. Exactly right. So like even, and again, I don't know, that could be wrong at this time. But think about even just the male psyche.

Let's say you come across another man. And actually you too, the more, you know, leader of men, Jocco, hell yeah, freaking war all day, you know, if required, kind of a thing. When you see another person, you see another person. that's within the realm of yourself, even a little bit, age, physicality, you know, whatever. An evaluation goes on in your mind. Just maybe even subconsciously,

but I would imagine conscience. Oh, it's consciously, right? And it's either like, is this a friend or a foe? So. By the way, that stuff is all primal. Yeah, okay. It's part of your limbic system. Perfect.

When you look at someone, you're judging, you look at the narrowness of their eyes, you look at the broadness of their jaws, you look at their weight, their height, You assess all that stuff in your Olympic system. Is this other human a threat or not? So this is going on. This is so deep in your being.

You sometimes don't even recognize it. Yeah. Now, what happens is if you're a fighter, it bubbles to the surface more. Because you spend so much time in combat, in hand-to-hand combat with your teammates and your friends that when you see an outsider, which by the way is also another part

of your limbic system judges. Like, is this person part of my crew or not? Yeah. If they're not part of my crew, I know it. I know it by looking at someone. This person's not like us. They're outsider. That stuff is all happening.

Whether you want it to happen or not, it's happening. Yeah, that's my point. Now, hopefully, logically, you can go, look, I meet this guy. I think I can take him or I think he can take me. But instead of like aggressively trying to confront him to your point, let's see, maybe we can collaborate. But that's all an override of logic. And there's a decent chance that logic does not.

override and I'm just fighting you. Yeah. So and I get that, but I think as far as the initial evaluation, it's a friend or foe evaluation. And the friend part of it is part of it too. And that's what I'm saying. I'm not denying any of this stuff. I think, I just think there's another side that comes with it. That's all I'm saying. Yes. So when he's like, you're meant to die. I was like, you know, maybe. That's why I would lean more towards the risk thing. Again, you put the veneer. Well, he said or he said meant to die or the risk. But also when you put the veneer of society. Yeah.

And like, you know, when you have a car and you have a wife and you've got kids and you got a house, like, and you got a job, like all this stuff is just, each one of those little layers just, just buries it a little bit deeper. But if we're going to say, we have to recognize that it's there. Yeah. It is there. Okay. Yes.

And that is what I'm saying. I do recognize that it's there. Okay. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, but there's that other part. Otherwise, this society wouldn't even exist as a whole. It's basically society is one of the many symptoms of this other. side that exists, which is the collaboration side.

So if you're saying, and not you, but if he's saying war is fundamentally it, that would be the front running result. You see what I'm saying? Just freaking destruction. Like man would not, would build less than he destroys. You see what I'm saying? And if the societal part had even the slightest bit of power over this animalistic instinct, we wouldn't just be in constant state of war for the past 30,000.

Like I said they go hand in hand. I'm telling you like again I'm not denying that I think this is it. Hell yeah all day But I'm saying there's another side to it that comes with it is what I'm saying Yeah, and I think the fundamental point that you're making is that there's there is a surface of a near over painted all over this stuff Which I totally agree with you there is that's what we live in we live in the veneer right? We live in the nice stuff right Yeah, but beneath it all is just like I'm getting ready to beat you to death with a club. Yeah, that's half of it It's not even half It might be like, yeah, it's like 0.02%. Depending on who I am, because if I, you know, I'm probably,

I'm closer to beating you to death with a club than some guy that works, you know, in finance who, you know what I mean? Like, he just doesn't, he hasn't had the opportunity to express and he has buried those instincts deeper. Yeah. With more, with more fluff, right? Whereas like, and then you go to someone that's a, uh, You know, someone that's an active duty Marine, but he's a little bit closer.

And then you go to somebody that's like in combat, well, he's there. And then you go to somebody that's, you go right on down the line. So we have people that are various depths and this animalistic nature is being brought to the surface more. Yeah. Depending on who you are and what you're doing.

Yeah. But you better keep that in mind. Yes, sir, I agree. Yes, keep it in mind. Continuing on, death is well born in war. In the hour of combat, natural man scorns life. He is no longer his end. Or sorry, it is no longer his end.

He ceases to be its champion and becomes the champion of the species. This is like you're sacrificing yourself for the species. War is no defiance of nature. It is not against nature for the male to kill his fellow. It is not against nature for the male to be killed by his fellow. The law that governs relations between males. within a single species is a law of murder and risk. War is a chapter of love.

Males of the same species are intoxicated by tearing each other apart. The intoxication of war is an intoxication of love. Again, why are we watching UFC? Why can you go on and doom scroll? Just people getting in fights and war scenes and people killing each other. Why is that? I wonder why that is. That's very strange, isn't it?

Well, I don't think it's strange, but I think that that's part of, that's one of the elements that people doomscroll. There's other things that people dooms scroll and love, by the way. And so if I, how about this? Zoom out a little bit. So yes, I agree with you that, hell yeah, like two guys fight, everyone's going to pause and watch for sure, you know, in the more freaking active. But we jump up and down and cheer.

Oh, hell yeah. But here, zoom out to a bigger picture too. Here's what we like, just a little bit, one click. We'll zoom out. We like when two people have like beef and issues, right? They hate each other. And we're like, ooh, this is brewing up. We feel it.

The entertainment starts right then. See what I'm saying? They didn't fight yet. They got beef for this reason or that reason. Some people identify with this guy because of this and the other guy because he's from here or whatever. You know, they're beefing. They hate each other. And it's just bubbling up until the climax of the fight, right?

Boom, boom. They fight. Boom, it's a hard fight. That's what we like, the hard fight. We don't need the anticlimactic freaking short fight. We want the hard fight, right? They fight, they fight, they fight, one winner emerges, right? You got to have the winner, see what I'm saying.

And then after the fight, they make up. Yeah. And they say, man, I respect you. And boom, we love that, that makeup collaboration part. You see what I'm saying? We just love war. No, no, no. But if you add the other elements alongside it, it's a greater satisfaction is what I'm saying.

It's a greater thing. Like, we like that more, I think collectively. I think. Yeah, we like war. Yeah, but what I'm saying is, yeah, I agree with that. But you add on those other parts of it, we like it. better. You know what I'm saying?

Check. So if war was the only thing, that other part would be, yeah, neither here nor there. No, it wouldn't be near here nor there. Maybe not quite as gratifying, but it would still be. No, I'm saying if we didn't love the other part of it. Yeah. When it came, if two guys, you know, like I said, that whole scenario, whatever, that happens, by the way.

If that happened versus another scenario, you know, the next week or the next year or whatever and they didn't make up and be friends or whatever afterwards, we'd still, if that was less significant, we wouldn't care about that second one. It'd be like, yeah, that's neither here nor there, that, that, that, that, that, that collaboration part at the end. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. But it's not like that.

We tend to like the whole story. Yeah, we tend to. Yeah, yeah. We tend to, but it's not a critical, not a critical, uh, component. It's not the roots. Yep. Egoism is the false reckoning. War suddenly reminds men that they were not born for themselves.

Ain't that the truth. Pacifism is an assault on. honor man has but one man has but one majesty the knowledge of how to die pacifism denies him this The force that drives men into the line of fire is one of the most powerful in the world it surpasses even the force that drives them to love There are a few loves on earth for which one is willing to die love of country is one of them He who is he who has never wished to die has never truly loved Again, we're sometimes we're getting kind of extreme here. It is not to reach summit that men climb mountains.

The nearness of death is so sweet that in absence of war, man invents games occasions to die. I do agree with that, yes, sir. Yep. And you think about it, you know, when people like climb up Everest, if you're, or whatever mountain, like if you're doing that for the view, right? Right.

Well, just send a drone up there with a GoPro attached to it. Yeah. If you're doing it for the physical exertion, we'll just go and jump on a treadmill and, you know, go up the, whatever, stair climber and climb up however far it is. Yeah. But you're only doing it, what makes it kind of what you want to do is, let's face it, you might die. So you have to replace war. And look, there's levels to that too, right? because we do, you know, we want to go to war.

Well, we can't do. There's no war going on. So we're climbing mountains. We're fighting. We're playing football. We're playing basketball. Like we're competing. We want to get in combat.

And, you know, I always say, like, if we're in a basketball game and you, like, foul me a little bit much, we might fight. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. That's actually very, that's correct. to that when there's no war like we look for he says death but I'm like I'm like bro he's probably more right than he knows because we look for other wars too like if and if there's no other wars over

here we're going to look for him over here if they're not over there it's like bro let me make one up real quick let's see how else I differ from this other person or group you know doesn't matter it can be the most peaceful freaking time don't matter and you're just looking for that stuff I get it no species brings more frenzy to death than man none purifies itself more nor kills its own more readily among animals only instincts clash among men it is ideas a differing belief carries within it a summons to death every ideal is a pretext for killing i mean you got to just admit that's spot on like we're the only we're the only group we're the only animal that's like wait i don't like what you're what you're thinking i'm going to murder everyone

Every one of your group. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Yeah, but I mean, I think, I think it's kind of like a more sophisticated version of the animal stuff. You know, like most animals, they'll kill another animal of any kind of like either to eat them, take their stuff or defend their people or territory. But within their own species, most of the time, it's, it's more of a fake fight.

It's more of just a, they don't kill each other. Like they sometimes accidentally kill each other. sometimes kill each other because it gets it gets heated or whatever. But a lot of times, you know, if you're a freaking elk and the, you know, if I'm the smaller elk or the weaker elk and this other elk starts beating my ass, I just leave. He doesn't, he doesn't like chase me down and just kill me. Occasionally they get killed because they got freaking giant knives on their head that they're stabbing into each other.

So occasionally, but like that's not their purpose. But, but humans be like, no, no, no, wait, you think different. I will chase you down and kill you. Like we have to make special laws. You know what I mean? They're like, hey, if the guy comes into your house, you can kill him. If they start running away, you can't kill him anymore. Because a man will be like, oh, you came into my house.

And now you're trying to get away from me. Cool. I'm going to walk down the street, find you and kill you. And now we've got to say that's a more extreme law. We got to put like, that's you murdered. It's not manslaughter, you know? And like we got to put special laws like crimes of passion. Like, you know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. That's a lesser. If you, you know, if a guy catches his wife in bed with a guy. and he kills them both on the spot, he will get less sentence than if he leaves and he comes back a one hour later and kills them both. He's going like that.

The first one is going to be, I think it's there's some, there's, it's not going to be first degree murder. You might even get, you can even get away with a damn manslaughter charge. Little aggravated. That aggregate of manslaughter or something like that's,

I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. But I know it's a lesser charge. Like, Everybody knows that you just might lose your mind. Right. You know? And they kind of make some wiggle room for that. Right.

But we have to have a law that says, oh, you might calculate to go and just hunt a motherfucker down and get you know what I mean? Like, we have to have to have to say that. Like, hey, listen, if you go to that extreme, you can't do that. Whereas like an elk, like the other elk runs away. He's just like, cool. Like, cool. I won the little scrap.

No. A human? Oh, yeah. I'm going to hunt you down. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to come into your house at night and slit your throat. That's what I'm doing. Pleasures may fill the world, but it is ideas that govern it.

Cool. Nature commands being to live, beings to live only in order to serve. Service is the end. Living is merely the means. The instinct of self-preservation in the mail is like caution in a troop advancing towards the enemy. It delivers him alive, on foot, and in position for combat, his final purpose, as a being created to struggle and die.

Again, extreme. The face of the male in combat is hideous. It breathes vice and commands the blow. The male is horrific to the male. He is that which must be exterminated. Take your own forced enemy. You, you, your other species. This is where people, you know, pacifists are like, what are we doing?

Like, wait, that's, this is another human being and you're going to kill them. Like, what is happening right now? Isn't it funny how you, not funny, but when you start to pare down, like, how groups will turn against the, I remember we were off the coast of Somalia in the 90s. And, you know, there's all a bunch of shit going on in Somalia at the time. And the Somalis have the, you know, they would try to give us the call. cultural brief on the Somalis. And one of the cultural briefs was they have this saying. And it was like, me against my brother,

my brother and I against my family, my family against my tribe, my tribe against Somalia, a Somali against the world. So that's how they just break shit down. Yeah. And, but it's weird for like a pacifist is like,

wait a second. No, no, no. Your brother is also, your tribe is also your Somali is also the world. So why are you trying to make war? with you know these other people that are basically they you know all humans are brothers so what's happening is what a pacifist just can't even can't even relate you know they just can't even relate you know some people just don't when when

people like culturally are different it's very difficult for them to even understand what's happening it's like when you when I think I was having a talk with my daughter about fighting and when someone doesn't know about like grappling they just don't even understand. Like you could say someone boxed, let's say we went back 30 years right now, or 40 years, right?

Go back pre-UFC and someone was a boxer and you knew Jiu-Jitsu. Like trying to explain to them that they should learn how to grapple would be, it would be like, you know, it would make no sense whatsoever, just make no sense, just, it would be incomprehensible. You'd have to, you'd have to like fight them

and choke them, you couldn't verbally explain it to them. You'd have to show them, and it would even take them a long time to even realize then, that grappling is good. I used to think the number was about four, maybe three to four submissions before someone even realizes,

even believes that what you're doing is real. Yeah, like back in the day before people knew Jiu-Jitsu, I would grapple with someone, and I'd submit them, right? And people didn't really know Jiu-Jitsu, so you know, catch them in an arm bar and they'd be like, you know, the look of discipline, oh, let's go again.

Yeah. you go okay cool guillotine and they still are just like wait you know this doesn't make you know whatever lucky thing just happened it was not going to happen again and the even and then and usually by the third by the fourth time they're like okay but the first two times it there's no belief whatsoever yeah so thinking that you're going to convey to somebody how radically different the world is is very very difficult yeah yeah you're still right about that it if you're if you let's say the grappling scenario, if you walk them through what you're doing to them in real time,

then they'll start to grasp it. But it's kind of like... I never tried that. Yeah. Well, that's why I thought that the first three UFCs, actually was one, two, and four were the kind of the ones that I would watch all the time. Is the announcer, one of the announcers was like new grappling. I think he trained with like, we're in them.

So he would kind of walk you through. He's like, okay, he's going to put him, you know, between his guard. He'd say that. Between his guard or now he got him down now he's gonna mount him and you know this and that and it's like bro this guy even though I don't Know what he's gonna do next this guy does and he's walking us through it so it doesn't look like just one big shuffle of Anarchy and he winds up in this magical position that I happen to have my arm like bent or to happen to be you know choked or because that's what it feels like in real life It is so it is so weird to think of what grab what jiu jih Tzu is from a place without knowledge. Yeah, it just must look like. Yeah, it feels like, oh, they lucked out. And even if you, if you remember, like,

um, you know, when we're kids in high school, I remember, uh, like when you get on Mount, right, and it's really hard for someone to, because they don't even know what Mount is. They just feel like you're on top of them, you know? And then so you feel like, oh, shoot, I just wound up in this bad spot out of bad luck. Yeah, but no problem. Flurry. Yeah, yeah, let's do it again. Yeah, yeah, let's do it again. And then boom, you're in Mountain again. And it's like, okay, no, maybe luck, you know, you know how it takes a little. You know how it takes a lot. You know, a few times to understand all of these you're doing this on purpose. So you're saying and that's so common like if you I'm trying to remember who it

might have been hands over I don't know somebody where they're like okay they got in a fight and they said the guy who he fought was like let's go again you know I'm gonna show you what I'm gonna do with that sneak attack stuff right yeah called it sneak attack even though it's very calculated stuff it's not just some you know so yeah you're right if you don't know the fundamental stuff it just looks like one big kind of Podgepodge of nothingness and you wound up in this unfortunate bad luck situation. You know what I'm saying? But meanwhile, it's like, no, no, no.

This is a calculated. And I'll tell you what's interesting from a leadership perspective, that's leadership too. And when people aren't thinking with the leadership principles, they're just, they're just ending up. They're like, oh, you know, and hopefully if you're leading correctly, you know, you're obviously trying to teach people leadership. You're trying to bring them up. But when they're they're stumbling around and all of a sudden they're doing the thing that they should be doing. It's so true. They're kind of like, oh, you know, this is, this makes sense, you know, or whatever.

It's so true because even when you say, oh, yeah, they had good leader, you know, this real successful, I don't know, like even a football team, right? Oh, yeah, they had really good leadership. The head coach is so good, you know. And you're like, bro, what the hell is the head coach doing? What, telling him a good job? Like, I don't get it. Like how his leadership affected, how fast this guy runs, how good this guy can catch, how good this guy can throw, how good this guy can tackle and all this stuff. How does the head coach do that?

He doesn't teach him that. But that's how, you know, they're the ones doing this amazing stuff on the field and have that keep. The coach is old guy. Yeah. Just because what? He was on a team deal? Like, I don't get it, you know? But when you know how leadership works, you're like, oh, man, this is this mystery just revealed, you know, kind of a thing.

Because, yeah, we don't see leadership like that kind of intuitively, right? We just see a guy walking and everyone just sort of following him. It looks like jiu-trained eye. So true. Check. Pleasures of the body, resentment, remorse. The being knows it betrays. There is no bliss but of the soul and no laurels, but of the species.

And it says here, as a footnote, every being possesses two souls, the soul of the body and the soul of the species. The soul of the body seeks only pleasure. The soul of the species issues the command to serve. He who does not serve knows he betrays. The body craves comfort, rest, delight. the species demands effort, hardness, sacrifice.

Come on, bro. It's all worthwhile. You know what I'm saying? Like, think of that, that right there is just, it makes so much sense. You know, when, when you're looking out for yourself, people look out for themselves,

and they bury that, that instinct to serve. And it's rough. It comes out. other ways sometimes it comes out in good ways they become very charitable whatever you know when you see these uh billionaires give a bunch of money at you know before they die they want to donate all their money to all these causes and everything they're trying to become saviors they're trying to become they're trying to make up for the fact that they were just you know doing stuff for themselves

yeah yeah yeah and then they go on and give all this money away and yeah well guess what the pursuit of happiness is impious pleasures are lures they are not in So he's saying, you know, impious is like without God, you know? So like pursuit of happiness is just not good. Pleasures are lures. They're just lures. Yeah.

Not ends. The people who love war are the male peoples. Yep. The male peoples. The male peoples, end quote. It's them. It's them. Maternity is the natural state of woman war is the natural state of males

Guys going hard in the paint the male who kills saves the world and he says nature in This is the footnote nature imposes guarantees upon duration races and males purchase the right to endure with their blood the male who kills save the world saves the world. Philosophers may offer people the ideal of tranquil happiness, but tranquil happiness is not the only thing men desire. Yeah. Do you think this has anything to do with,

you ever heard of a midlife crisis? Yeah, yes and yes. I heard of midlife crisis. Have you seen people like, they pay to go to like a boot camp scenario? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The recreational boot camp scenario? Yeah, like a recreational boot camp scenario.

Yeah. They're like, pay for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, it was like, oh, what are they missing? Yeah. Are they missing because they were not, they didn't, they buried their warlike instinct for their life. And then they get to be like 35 years old and they're like,

they feel they want to gratify that thing. They're too old to just freaking straight up join the army and go get some. Yeah. Yes. Could be, right? Yeah. And it feels like, I don't know, all the ones I've seen. Because you don't see dudes that were in the Army or in the Marine Corps,

signing up to go to one of those things. Right. That's not happening. Yeah. At least I don't think it's happening. Yeah. I don't think so either. It wouldn't make much sense to me as of right now.

But I don't know. I've never been to one. So I don't know what it entails fully. But it feels like the attraction is not just the war part of it. It's just, you know how like there are many. benefits to the military than just being able to fight, you know, according to this person. In fact, a lot of people join the military like with no intention of fighting, you know, like there's benefits.

College. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but I'm saying personal benefit. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm saying like you get college paid for, you get, oh, you're talking about structured discipline. Structure discipline. You challenge yourself. You come out more resilient in a lot of ways, stronger, mentally, physically, like all this stuff or whatever, all like legitimate, legitimate benefits.

And then when you kind of put them together, you could, you know how. like the sum of this is worth more than it's part or whatever. It's like you have that element as well as far as like just personal development through life as a usually, usually men go through these things, right? So think about this. I think they're trying to get that part of it out of these recreational, we'll say, boot camps. Yes, the whole like, oh, I'm going to challenge myself and all. Everything that you just listed is all is all under the umbrella of being ready to freaking,

Serve. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's all like, that's what we respect about those things. Right, right. We don't watch, when we drive by like a,

you're driving down the road and you see in someone's window and you see a guy like, just like eating a bag of Doritos and watching Netflix. Yeah, you know, you just,

you don't, you don't respect that person. You have no, you're not like, damn, I wish I was doing that. Right. And then you go by a guy's open garage.

Yeah. And he's freaking in there swinging a kettlebell. And he's playing freaking, And let's see, what was you, mastodon. And you go, okay. Like, dude, like, you kind of want, you're, but you think like that guy's getting ready for war. Your animal instinct goes, that guy's getting ready for.

The guy that's on the couch is not getting ready for war. No. And that's what I think is, so when you go, I want that. And so when you see those, like, adult boot camp things, you're like, oh, that guy thinks that that's going to get him ready for war. He's going to scratch that itch that he has because he didn't. And just at freaking 17 years old, just sign the dotted line. Let's go.

Yes, I do agree with that. I think in a more zoomed out perspective, war is one of them. But I think it has to do with overall just capability. You know, so like if you're resilient, you're strong. All these capabilities are the only reason we all. Not the only, not the only. The main underlying reason that you can admit to or not that you respect these things is war. I think I would say more.

specifically one of them yes I don't know if I don't know that I would say the main one I would the underlying one might not be the main one that you sense yeah because you layer a bunch of frosting on top of it I'm not but if you get rid of the frosting you'll be like war war is the root I don't know if it'd be the root I'd say it's one of the root tentacles oh yeah for sure put it this way look anytime I'm contesting this whole book or whatever or anytime it appears I'm contesting the I just know that I'm not. I'm saying there's more to it.

It's kind of like, hey, freaking the tires are the most important part of the car. With no tires, your car ain't going nowhere. So that's the roots. But I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But no, no, you have a tire in concert with the engine. Because if you don't got an engine, your car ain't moving either. See what I'm saying?

That's what I'm saying. Well, we got you covered in this next one here. It says philosophers may strive to tarnest discredit and bind war. but the stags will go on bellowing in the woods and all males will go on offering themselves to slaughter and to death for the salvation of the species so you can be over there like well you know there's this that and the other thing but it's like cool as i just said the stags are in the woods getting after it and the the troops are on the battlefield right now by the way it's 2026 we're all enlightened we have education we have the internet we can we we have philosophy we have psychology

We understand the way the human mind works. We have medicine. We can save lives and we got dudes right now just unloading Beltfed machine content to transpositions. That's what's happening. I'm with you Nature which has bound Bound pleasures to to the acts of love has not forgotten the pleasures of combat the pleasures of combat are the thrill of risk the thrill of killing the thrill of being alive Yeah? Confirmed death in battle is the natural end of males check you know we now what do we what do we do we like you get old you can't walk anymore you're you're losing your mind you're uh you have mental decay and all this stuff is going on or just death in battle wars will cease on earth when love is

extinguished. The hero is a man of destiny. He obeys a mission. Dude, this guy's going hard of the thing, 100%. But I do agree with that part of it. Yeah. The whole mission thing. Yeah. Yeah. There is no such thing as a pessimistic hero. He would undertake nothing. Confirmed. The full array of military virtue does not yet make a hero. What sets him apart is the pleasure he takes in difficult situations. The hero acts not out of duty. He acts out of love. What the brave man may do is give their life.

The heroes offer it. This guy's rolling out of World War I, too. You know, go back and listen to Dick Hoffman and what was like trench warfare. And this guy got wounded eight times. And by the way, he's there for the whole war. So this isn't some guy, which he later in the, in the book talks about these other guys. The people that are in the rear.

He talks about them. He's got a whole thing. The whole thing. But I just want to remind everybody here. This is not some, you ever heard the term pavement princess? No. So you ever seen a big jacked up truck?

Yeah. But it just drives around like the mall. Yeah, you know why we have an expression, all go, no show, no, all show, no go. Yeah. Yeah. But this is, He's not a pavement princess.

Yeah. He was in the shit, as they say. He's all go. He's all go. The hero is the one who forgets himself and gives himself. Self-love guides men, but love for others guides heroes. Nature does not create heroes to live, but to serve. Heroism is to serve.

Heroism is nothing but love. It is not effort. Where there is no longer joy, there is no longer joy, there is no longer heroism what does he say about that I'm going to read the footnote where there is no more joy honor may still remain but heroism no longer does heroism is the joy of effort for the struggle for the love of struggle men may men enjoy the universe only through the senses of their bodies heroes through the faculties of their souls men are fulfilled by possessing heroes by giving And this whole section, you know, obviously he's talking about heroes, but it's almost as if he talks about heroes as their borderline in another species.

You know, like they just have to have a philosophically different existence in the world. Like men are fulfilled by possessing heroes by giving. Men are servants of their bodies. Heroes are servants of men. Like this is a different, these people are thinking differently. Heroes beg for hard commands. tragic days are wedding days for the brave nature and trust heroes with the deeds too heavy for other men yeah he he's he definitely views heroes which i'm sure he saw plenty experience does not

cure bravery the builders of great fortunes never enjoy them they go on pushing the boulder that crushes them you definitely see that right people people just there what you can't get enough. That's a saying, right? Oh, right, right. You know, can you get enough? And like, why is Elon Musk still working 18 hour days? Yeah. Like, bro, he has a trillion dollars. If I gave you a trillion dollars today, how many hours a week would you work one month from now? Yeah, probably not many, but that's two different things. Like, you giving me a trillion dollars is different than me, you know, dedicating my life to something that. that ends up, ends me up with a trillion dollars, you know.

How much of the thing, you know, you always hear people that win the lottery. Yeah. That they, like the urban legend is, you know, they have all kinds of problems, right? Yeah, yeah. You think, what do you think? Do you think that's just urban legend? You think it's facts? I put it this way.

It makes sense to me, yes. From the stories that I've heard, you know, you can watch little documentaries on this kind of stuff. I'm sure you can look up the statistics at some point to really get the facts. But it makes sense to me, yes, because. And I vote. It kind of makes sense to me that a person who winds up with X, Y, Z, you know, whether it be riches or be in great shape or basically the coveted things that people like have. For the most part, it's they have that for a reason and put very simply.

It's because they're the type of person that lives the kind of life and takes the kind of actions that end up with this thing. Right. You just don't turn it off. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's who you are. That's just in the money or whatever you want to point out.

That's just the result, the eventuality, a symptom of what kind of person you are and what kind of actions you take over time. So Elon Musk or whoever you want to say or even a guy in great shape will say. He's in great shape because he did a bunch of stuff and lived his life a certain way. He's the type of person who ends up in good shape. That's the way it works. Now, anytime you sidestep that process, you end up with some weirdo problems. Like, you know, like we have these GLP. P1 peptides, which that's kind of an example of that.

People will sidestep this process and take a drug for it. And then it'll wind up with all these effects that are outside of that process that are undesired. So you know what I'm saying? So and that goes for any kind of sidestepping that process. You know what I'm saying? So winning the lottery is another example of that where a person with let's say, $500 million isn't, when you win, Most of the time when you win it through the lottery,

you're not the type of person who gets $500 million in this principle, you see what I'm saying? So you end up with the $5 million and you're like, you kind of don't know what to do with it, is you know what to do with it? Is you're saying? Well, you go to Vegas and you figure it out real quick, a lot of these people, right? Exactly, right.

Or you buy a bunch of stuff that a person without $500 million would want to buy. You see what I'm saying? This happens to athletes too. Like athletes that sign big contracts. Right, right. And all of a sudden, they just have. all this money, a lot of them end up with nothing.

Yeah. They just blow it. Right. I remember an interview with Mike Tyson's accountant, and they were like, the questionnaire or the interviewer said, you know, Mike Tyson made $117 million last year. How is it that he's broke? And the accountant said he spent $118 million. It's like, there you go.

Like, it's just numbers. Oh, yeah. You've watched the show or you heard of the show called The Biggest Loser? Yeah, it's a weight loss, right? Yeah, exactly right. So you get these people who are not into working out, not into, you know, being dietarily conscious and, you know, all this stuff, right? And they put them in this very strict and regimented program that has very few, like, not very much wiggle room. So it's kind of like they have kind of no choice.

So they go through this process and they're very successful at losing weight and getting into, we'll say, getting into shape, we'll say. But that's a very, that's not really the real world process. You know, the real world process that people will have their struggles with is like all it's a world without those boundaries that are kind of artificially placed for this show, you know. So they get this crazy success. It's crazy success. Very fast, too. Faster than the normal process. And they don't have to contend with the, we'll say the obstacles that the real world process will provide.

Right. There's no crispy cream sitting in the office in the office at the corner in the grocery store when you're shopping, you know, all this stuff or whatever. Parties, you know, get together, all this stuff. Freakia nachos. So they go through this process, right? This is a manufactured process or whatever. They get the success and they go out in the real world and they immediately gain it all back.

So you know what percentage? I don't know. It's a high percentage though, isn't it? Put it this way. I would not be surprised if it's literally all of them. 100%. I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know, though.

I've got to be fair on it. You know, what's kind of cool is like at Victory MMA? Sure. We've had people that have long. hundreds of pounds but but the big difference that I think I see is like they they have a full lifestyle change you know what I'm saying the person that had that was overweight they're not that person anymore yeah and so what you're saying is which I agree with when you go to a the biggest loser you lose weight but you're

still the same person that you were before and there's a reason that you were in that position because you followed habits and you did you know the way you lived your life you're not a different person so interesting uh like mothers heroes place their purpose outside themselves so he's calling for the the females that are listening that are very angry at some of the sentences that he said he's saying you know uh mothers are heroes which i agree with they're the mom the children come first it is the privilege of motherhood and heroism to find rapture where there is only pain and effort Props the love of danger the thrill of risk the need to affirm one's worth the joy of

exercising initiative the pleasure of outwitting the enemy the delight of harming him the intoxication of combat the certainty of survival the pride of carrying through a difficult task the ecstasy of performing extraordinary deeds the honor of service a healthy the exaltation of every faculty these are what make men brave heroes hear voices other than those of their own commanders even in obedience they dictate their own mission that's legit and the little footnote here says one can obey heroically but even in obedience the hero assigns himself his mission obedience is not always easy for the hero he hears other voices than those of his superiors.

Men conquer only to enjoy. Heroes conquer only to give. Heroes are servants of men before they are servants of their leaders. The hero knows his own cowardice. The hero too has days when he is tempted to only live. That's a rough one.

That kind of lands. How many days are you tempted to only live? you know what I'm saying? I mean let's face it only living is sort of the default modern mode like well get up brush your teeth scroll your phone

eat a donut climbing your mechanical transit machine put a radiation thing in your ear get to the secure compound enter it leave your machine go into your cubicle look at the numbers on the screen radiation into your face

you see what I'm saying like that's us living right so just got to be careful we're tempted to only live heroes have their temptations but they are heroic temptations men must be pushed forward heroes must be held back Neither fatigue nor hunger hold sway over heroes men take turns on duty heroes do not neither mothers nor heroes are ever relieved of their watch the hero wants to suffer he takes pride in it heroes love defeat for it presents with them great duties and opens the realm of initiative good one of must be gentle with heroes even when they are mistaken outside of combat they are defenseless that's interesting that's sort of the uh you know the stereotypical war movie will have like the guy that's kind of shy or he's kind of whatever and then he'll just do like insane heroic stuff when a man has given his all in a critical moment he is beyond reproach even if he was wrong

Yeah You know you got Good initiative Strong or good initiative Bad judgment You ever heard that? No That's a very common saying

In the military It's like hey the way you flanked And ran over there And like good job But But you know Good initiative Judgment was a little bit off

Yeah it's like the old school A for effort right I'll give them an A for effort Yeah That's kind of the same Try it hard yeah Yeah Yeah

Didn't work out the way we wanted it too. The hero takes his impulses only from himself. He may be disciplined, but he cannot be governed. It's a very interesting portrait that he paints of a heroic person. It is a great disappointment for a brave man to be poorly received by his superiors or peers on the evening of battle where he gave everything of himself. Boldness is madness to those who fear To those who see clearly, it is reason.

To deny the enemy, this is the brave man's first reflex. The love of difficult situations come from the certainty of overcoming them. The hero feels no passion for victory. Victory ends his mission. There you go. Someday this war is going to end. Colonel Kilgore. You know what I'm saying?

Apocalypse now. You know that scene I'm talking about? It's one of the most famous scenes in cinema, my little Broginio. Okay. How can you not know this scene? I, you know, I see some movies. I don't, you know. Yeah.

Well, Colonel Kilgore, this battle has taken place. And, you know, he says to the captain from Special Forces, do you smell that? You smell that? Napeam. So nothing else in the world smells like that. One time we had an air bomb for 12 hours and it was all over. I walked up and we didn't see one of them. Not one stinking dink body, but that smell, that gasoline smell, the whole hill,

smelled like victory. And after that speech, he goes, someday this war is going to end in the most despondent little undertone, right? Because he knows he's where he's supposed to be. This is good it's going to get. This is it. Someday this war is going to end. I felt like that. You know, like, on my first.

deployment to Iraq I definitely was like hey this war is gonna be over quick like it's 2004 things you know we were doing it seemed like things were going well yeah right until the end but yeah only a long triumph crowned by death truly makes the hero the hero who falls in his first battle or survives his last seems not quite a hero the days that end wars are days of mourning for the hero straight up those who have not endured those who have not endured them cannot fathom the depths of deprivation in war so there you go so here's this guy that's talking about war love war all this great stuff war war war everyone's bent to go in war and he's like hey if you haven't been a war you can't understand the deprivation of war and by the way he's talking about world war one he's talking about world war one that's what he's talking about trenches he's talking about maggots he's talking about entire battalions being wiped out He's talking about mustard gas. That's what he's talking about.

Yeah, a lot of deprivation. Yeah, deprivation to the nth degree. At times, the fatigue of war is so immense that one longs for death simply to be done with it. Hunger, battle, sleeplessness. These drive a soldier's spirit to its highest pitch. Divine souls inhabit broken bodies. Souls are refined as bodies are drained.

the most exalted hearts in battle are the most exhausted ones. It's like a purification ritual in his mind. Fatigue invites scorn. He's like, do not get tired. You will be scorned for fatigue. He's also saying like you're going to be exhausted. It's so horrible. But like, don't show it.

Don't show it. Exhaustion is never confessed, not in love nor in war. Pride lies in seeming. beyond human limits. The brave hide their weariness as lovers do. Don't show it. Fatigue does not exist in war.

Man's resources there are infinite. Fatigue is weakness in the soul. Meanwhile, I got a picture of me and Dave Burke on a cop falcon right after we took it down. We're asleep. The rest between sets. You definitely got a rest between sets. In war, no man who kills has need of rest.

War is a passion of the soul. The more the body is consumed, the more the soul is purified. Nature endowed men with virtues, but they reveal them only in war. He who is not known war does not know man. Mediocre and ordinary life, man is radiant in war. Because his virtues are martial. Because nature made him for struggle, because war is the natural state of males. Yeah, when you were describing like what you would want to get out of one of these boot camp scenarios

You want to get one of get these various virtues And what he's saying is like the virtues that we're talking about they're martial virtues Yeah, yeah They're just for war. That's what they are Healthy, smart, sharp, disciplined like hey those are cool for business. They're cool for being a dad They're cool for your health, but like core they're just good for combat war is to men what still water is to swans the place of their beauty to say to a man you will die there and for him to die there this is one of war's grandeurs it is war's harshness that grants its sanctity

and by the sanctity he's got a little footnote here hardship fatigue which he just said you don't get tired but he knows you get tired Hardship fatigue deprivation days without fire nights without shelter water snow Danger wounds death these are the sources of war's grandeur It's almost like a lot of this is kind of saying the quiet part out loud you ever heard that expression? Like the quiet part out loud These things a lot of these things are sort of saying the quiet part out loud like what why is it we want to watch a war movie? Oh because death wounds freezing like cold suffering you know like how was that movie oh dude it was

dude they they really showed what it's up yeah yeah you know what I mean yeah this too humility poverty chastity faith hope charity charity mortification the Christian virtues why can so few attain them in ordinary life while in war All rise them effortly. All rise to them effortlessly and with bliss. Yeah. Unfortunately, he doesn't mention the other side of that coin, which is like you also get total depravity sometimes in war.

You get the Milai Massacre. Yeah. You get Sand Creek. Like you get some very gnarly shit that goes down in war. Not everyone rises to the, uh, rises to the Christian virtues in war. No. War is the noble form of human activity.

Poverty there brings no shame. Vanity finds no place in it. Duty fulfilled fills the soul. Men are brothers in war. War is the golden age. Yeah. You know, again, it's just interesting that you get just wars just happen. you remember remember the the term spontaneous combustion like there was some weird thing in the

70s and 80s like and it happens human beings catch on fire sometimes right spontaneous it's called spontaneous combustion yeah I guess there's spontaneous but then there's also just spontaneous combustion with like some you know fuel source that's been in a closet and it's reached a certain timber and just spontaneously combusts it's like war just spontaneously combusts it just pops off but it's because because these underlying like thing. This underlying thing. You know, I'm talking to the last council

and I had this whole thing about humans acting like humans. Like you can't be surprised when, you know, somebody on your team does some like little thing to look out for themselves or tries to, you know, get this little maneuver in so they can get, they can get promoted instead of that guy. Like you can't be surprised by that. Yeah. It's humans acting like humans.

You have to expect that a human's going to act like a human. Yeah. Well, you got whatever 9. billion people on the planet humans are going to act like humans they're going to go to war yeah and believe me i'm not pro war obviously oh you're not i'm just trying to say that it's when it pops off you can't be like oh i'm so surprised i'm so surprised that it popped off yeah yeah fully i'm trying to figure out where this kind of lands um overall because there are certain things about what he's saying um and of course he's being extreme but at the same time it kind of feels undeniable a lot of

these things where in and of itself it's hard to refute but at the same time it's almost like hey wait a second is that the only thing though because he's like saying this is it for life you see what I get it I get it I think what he's saying is these he doesn't necessarily say this but I think well the way his belief would fall out is the this is the underlying spirit yeah of humans yeah of male humans. Yeah, yeah. It's like the underlying spirit is, you know,

I was talking like, uh, some new recruits, we'll say. Yeah. And you know, you, what,

20 guys? Who wants to go to war? Like all of them. These, look, these kids, their brain's not developed. I get it.

But okay, their brain's not developed, right? Because when your, your, your male brain doesn't develop until it's, what, 25? Like the frontal lobe isn't fully developed.

So you take a 19 year old. What do you, you want to go to war? Yeah Er. Like that's what they're saying. A little bit of a selection bias there. It's a total selection bias.

But I'm still saying that like you take a group of 20 males. Yeah, that have volunteered. And look, can you go to a college campus somewhere to somebody that's taking classes on whatever freaking stupid class he's taken and be like, do you want to go to war?

And you'd be like, no, hell no. You know what I mean? Of course. Of course. You know, so yes,

it's a total bias surveyed that I did. But actually I do agree with you though. Even even like this college, very specific example that you said to on the other side, which I actually for the point or for the sake of this point, I feel like we can dismiss. But if you just grab any typical, let's say, group of a hundred male humans, ages 18 to, I don't know, 30, we'll say.

And you, you know, put them in some thing where outside interests are kind of like nulled a little bit. I feel like the thing that's going to start bubbling up is the war, the martial virtues, we'll say. I do, I believe that. Generally speaking. And listen, are there nine people in that group of 100 that are, they don't want to go to war? They like legitimately, they don't. Yeah. But the other, and there's some that are like they will go to war, like regardless.

Like if you don't, if you don't send them to war for the country, they're going to go to war for a gang. They're going to go to war for something. They're going to figure something. They're going to figure out a way to go to war. Yeah. And then there's a bunch of people that are like, hey, if that opportunity comes up. Yeah. You know, like, I'm kind of down.

Right. And they're watching war movies. What, what I totally forgot about. What about war video games? Have you seen a war video game? Yeah. Have you seen Call of Duty or whatever? Like, those things are just war in a video game.

Why are those things so popular? They make way more money than a movie. Yeah. And to do you one even better, you're more right than you know as far as the video game things. even like if it's not an actual like military war game it's always some fight against the enemy game yeah yeah and then and you can say well what else kind of game well you could have all kinds of different skill games yeah there's like like there's a game um about building but you can fight other people in a way no but there's games where there's like you can make a game where

there's literally no fighting or combat of any kind you're trying to the sims it's just you just build I don't know I've never played it but I seen people play it well I remember there's a game with a bird trying to fly through like some areas. I mean, maybe. I don't know what. We tried to make it through like different pipes. Oh. It was really popular.

A bird. I don't know. Anyways, it was a bird, but it wasn't fighting anyone. Oh, okay. He was trying to make it. You know what I mean? He was trying to make it through the scenario. Yeah.

But the scenario was not combat. It was just flying. Right. So you can make, you don't necessarily need to have a combat and war in a video game. And yet there's a lot of combat war in video games. Yeah, fully. And that's not to say they're all, you know, there's racing games. There's, you know, whatever.

But let's say old school, Super Mario Brothers. Brought, you're fighting these. Brat's a war game. You're literally fighting them. Yeah, yeah. Who are you fighting against in Super Mario Bros? Freaking mushroom beings, turtles with wings. And they're half turtle half duck or something like this.

Are there modern versions of Super Mario Brother? Or is it all just like old school 80s? Well, Super or Mario Bros has a whole thing. What's Mario Kart? Mario Kart is the go-kart racing with all the characters from the Mario Universe. So Mario, yeah, all the people. And you can select your cart and select your character. What's the backstory?

Like, where did Luigi come from? I don't know. You'd have to. It's actually pretty good fun when you look into it. I mean, a lot of it had to do because we played Super Mario Brothers when I was young. but it's like they go pretty deep in the storyline. So stuff starts to make sense. Are they plumbers?

Yeah, they're plumbers. Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's a whole thing. So yeah, you're just fighting against them. Yeah. Against the freaking goombas and the freaking whatever. Is it what I'm saying?

And then so, and I was thinking to when like in life, you know, when you get stuff right, without the work, we'll say. That's one thing. Like what are people trying to achieve in life? I'm saying in civilized. life we'll say even in like less than civilized life there has to be something you're fighting for something right it's not like hey let's just fight to fight that's why i'm like trying and still struggling to land this whole book on the whole of life the entirety of life like i don't know i

think that's this is a very specific context which is war which you i don't think you can really deny these they're extreme for sure but it's hard to deny but it's like okay we're we're fighting we're waring we're boring tribes or people people or whatever, but like for what? There's always something. It seems like anyway, you're fighting for. So it feels like that's going to kind of give rise to understanding like, okay, where does war and all this that he's talking about,

where does it fit in, you know, kind of a thing. So you're like, okay, let me say I'm going to go save a princess, right? Because she's in danger somewhere. Let's say I go through my little journey, right, in life. And I go and I, and I, oh, shoot, I find her. I found her. She's in the woods. She just tripped and sprang her ankle.

She was stuck there and I found her whatever Bring her home or whatever and it's all peace Part of you I think for most people would be like I'm glad I found her but it would have been way more fulfilling If there was some bad guy who kidnapped her and I killed the bad guy If there was some battle that ensued you know Human nature right there yeah so it is undeniable that this is it I mean this is a fundamental critical part of it

There's something there bro you can't deny it you know birth, wealth, vanities lose all value in war. Man is adorned only with his virtues. In war, the ranks collapse beneath the weight of virtue. Isn't that interesting? Eventually you're getting judged

not on your rank, but on your virtues, who you are as a person. It is good to toil when one serves. That's what you just said. You know, we don't want to just rescue the princess. That's serving, but we want to toil some. The pleasure seekers of this world are wrong to think themselves happy. Their delights seem pitiful on the front line.

The man who sleeps on the ground would not trade his bed for any other. Bodily softness is the soul's mourning. Nature grants her blessings only to those who serve her through effort. Check. Pleasure seekers are beggars living day by day on the alms of their own flesh. Just as covenants weep for the worldly soldiers, for the worldly soldiers prefer their hardship to the soft and hollow ease of the so-called fortunate. This is why when that first Rocky movie came out.

Yeah. And like when he starts going hard, everyone gets fired up. Yeah. like he's gonna wake up at four he's gonna drink eggs he's gonna run in the cold and every no one goes I'm gonna turn this off now yeah that I don't really

no one does that you know it's like a massive movie yeah it's just martial activities it's asceticism asceticism this is a word this is a word it's like giving

it's a hard living it's giving things up living lean yeah yeah just fences walls locks these are insults to liberty social life is nothing but prohibition man suffocates within it war permits everything the soldier is poor yet the world belongs to him and we'll close it out with this little section here and we'll pick it up in the next podcast and give quentin ren some more time in social life man is torn by conflicting duties life is light in war because duty is simple and the path is clear you hear so many veterans talk about that yeah they're like oh you know deployment nothing else matters just get to do what you get to do you got this is what you're

focused on and here it is wars restore the religious feeling in those who have lost it in ordinary life men believe themselves masters of their fate they look only to themselves for their fortune But when life and death depend on forces beyond them, they awaken to their weakness. They invent a God, Lord of Fate, and place all themselves in his hands. It is easy living that kills the gods. So, there you go. Like I said, we'll finish these maxims on the next podcast, but that's a good one.

I think a good one to finish with tonight. Easy living that kills the gods. So let's avoid the easy living, which is, look, easy living is all around us right now in the modern world. It's all around us, but you cannot just go gentle into the easy living. You've got to fight it.

And one good way to fight that is getting after it. Physical exertion, running, sprinting, Jiu-jitsu, I highly recommend. Highly recommend the jiu-jitsu. Swimming, lifting, throwing. There's been a lot of throwing going on in the Willink family right now. I've heard things. Yep.

So shout out to, what do we shout out to? The throwers of the world. Ricky Bruch, right? Hell yeah. Krauser out there just getting after it. Who else we got? Well, hell. You know, we might as well throw Bert Soren in there.

Hell, yeah. He's out there. Bert, he was at my house, and I was like, I surprisingly, you know, I have like seal maces at my house. Yeah. And he, surprisingly, he was like,

I had never worked with him too much. And I kind of like showed him something. And, you know, he was a hammer thrower. No for whatever in college. Yeah, yeah, hell, yeah. And he just picked this thing up and look like you just like, just, no problem.

Like a fish to water, just doing it. Yeah. So that's what we're doing, man. That's what we're doing. We're out there getting out. after it. That means you need fuel. We recommend jocco fuel.

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Should we make, you know, a form of protein that tastes bad so that you have to impose your discipline just to choke it down? I guess we could do that. I don't recommend. it maybe if you want to do that personally you can mix it with something that you don't like you know what I mean yeah sure do it you know what I mean like it makes it with something you don't like yeah cool otherwise you're in for a treat you're in for some dessert

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Maybe just reset your perspective reset your attitude because it's very tempting To think that just living on its own is enough Just just going through the motions just living through another day just surviving another day surviving another day surviving another week, surviving another month by simply living. Let's not do that. Let's not just live. Instead, let's go out there every day and freaking get after it. That's all we've got for tonight.

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