Jocko Podcast - 68: Inauthentic Extreme Ownership, Excessive Self-Blaming, The Grammar Nazi, Loyalty in Marriage and Service, Jiu Jitsu VS Boxing for 7 y/o, Artificial Intelligence Soldiers.

Episode Date: March 26, 2017

0:00:00 - Opening 0:04:56 - Working out EVERY DAY? 0:27:31 - What's better for a 7 y/o boy?  Boxing, or Jiu Jitsu?  And Why? 0:37:12 - How to prepare for Podcasts.  Focus for Max Benefit.  0:46:30 - Inauthentic Extreme Ownership and Excessive Self-Blaming. 0:54:04 - Why Literature is good degree to pursue, and the importance of Language.  1:07:00 - Future Robots Soldiers in the Future.  The Threat Artificial Intelligence.   1:12:56 - Effectiveness of Jocko's Favorite Submission Holds (Jiu Jitsu). 1:15:04 - Dealing with Push-Back from your team early in the plan. 1:22:28 - Opinions on leadership training West Point and other service Academies. 1:27:39 - Advantages and disadvantages of body types in Special Operations Forces. 1:30:26 - Dealing with emotions and being "hangry" when fasting. 1:44:16 - Difficulty learning Jiu Jitsu VS learning Wrestling. 2:05:42 - Loyalty in marriage to another Service Member.  Loyalty to service vs. loyalty at home. 2:15:43 - Specific places and times to reflect on fallen comrades.  2:22:17 - Support, Cool Onnit, Amazon, JockoStore stuff, with Jocko White Tea and Psychological Warfare (on iTunes). Extreme Ownership (book), (Jocko's Kids' Book) Way of the Warrior Kid, and The Muster002  2:44:45 - Closing Gratitude. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 68 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink Good evening echo good evening So we've been doing some Facebook lives lately Facebook live and they've been pretty cool interacting getting a lot of questions, but here's the deal on the Facebook live I think the first one I did I got three thousand comments or questions in one hour and it's something like 40 or 50 Questions a minute which is one a second which means you can't answer all of them and I started looking at some of the questions and there were some really good Questions on there and there's also a lot of common questions that pop up

That maybe I don't address or haven't addressed and I said you know what if a lot of people are asking the same question There must be a need to know or people are interested in what the answer is so I kind of threw together some of those questions from Facebook live primarily. There's a couple other ones that I got from Twitter and or Facebook message. Is that what it's called Facebook message? Messenger. Yeah. Like when somebody direct messages.

Right. And, you know, with that, if there's people that are sending me messages and stuff through social media and even through email, I, I, can't answer all of them right now I just can't and I apologize and I appreciate what you're sending me but I can't always get to them all there's a lot of them coming in it's it's not it is I don't have enough time to answer them all I look at them and you know I'll try and throw back and answer real quick sometimes but um a lot of times I just don't have time to answer them all sometimes I read them all I do read

them all but you know when I'm looking at a limited amount of time and I have a ton of Facebook questions coming in it can be hard hey if you do want an answer let me give you a something that is helpful if you want an answer ask like a really simple question yes or no or should I do this or that you know should I go to college or join the military based on the situation I'm in right now that I don't have any money and I'd have to borrow money to go to college. What do you think I should do? There's a couple options there for me to answer. You know what I mean? It's going to be pretty straightforward. On that one, I'm going to say, join the military. You want to join the military anyways? Go get after it. Boom, done. So,

but if you give these long questions that then you're looking for an open-ended kind of answer, it's hard for me to get around to them. Now, those are also questions that I normally might Pull into the podcast because they do require more of response. So if that's what you're looking for Yes, that's a good way to send it on Facebook or on Twitter. Hey, if you need to if it's an open-ended answer that I'm gonna have to think about or I don't have to discuss with you. That's cool But if you just need an answer about something Just answer answer ask a direct question. I'll get around to it But during the Facebook live there was a ton of questions. It was really cool. I'd never done Facebook live before and

and got a lot of good questions so with that let's go to this a some Q&A from the Facebook people yeah and Twitter I'm imagine and Twitter yeah these primarily came from Facebook live oh dang I I went through every comment yeah so it took some time yeah but especially since my computer started lagging which and And I know I talk about being mad at computers or at printers and copy machines, but when my computer's lagging, that also can get me angry. Yeah, the computer's pushing it on. Yeah. I just want the thing to work quickly.

Yeah, that's the whole thing, though. That's the whole thing with computers. It's like, of course you want to work more quickly. Like, if you get a cheap computer, chances of the main thing. Oh, yeah, so you have expectations. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense.

I want the thing to work quickly. Yeah. I almost got a T1 line You know what that is internet wise? I thought that that was like old school No, it's the T1 line is is when you're You're getting it And they guarantee 99.9%

You know up and going and never break Never have any issues I almost got a T1 line For my house I think I didn't do it Yeah Hey that's up to you obviously And

With that, I think let's go to the question. The first question. Okay, Jocco. First question. Do you work out every day? Okay, yeah, this is a question that a bunch of people were asking me. And I thought it was pretty evident that I do work out every day, which I do. And then I also thought that there was a little misleading statement in the Success Magazine article.

And again, I don't know what I said on some of these questions or how I answered it at the time or what I explained or how well I explained it but there was a misleading statement that that on this particular day I had already lifted in the morning at zero four 30 and now I was lifting again at nine or whatever time it was and then I was gonna lift again it was like made it seem like I was lifting just over and over again throughout the day which generally I don't do generally when I wake up in the morning I lift and by lift I mean workout by workout that That might mean lift.

It might mean do calisthenics. It might mean sometimes it just means stretching, right? But rarely do I do like stretch. But like yesterday, I was feeling under the weather for two days. Wasn't full on sick. Some of my family members got sick. They were really sick. And when it hit me, it didn't hit me as hard.

Because I, you know, fought against the illness. So I was a little bit sick. But one day I just went like, I was like, okay, I'm just going to go in and stretch. The next day I it was like leg day. I was gonna go do squats and I did squats, but If anybody was to come and witness that workout, I would have to be ashamed of myself because all I did was basically go in there go through the motion Put a little weight on the bar move But yes, I do I'll work out every so so even when I'm sick I'm gonna work out right gonna work out and I'm gonna do something because I think it's healthy to do something

Now another question that people say is like do you lift and do you jujitsu in the same day yes absolutely all the time almost daily another branch question of that one is do you lift before jiu jitsu or after jiu jitsu I like to lift before jiu jih Tzu I want to go into jiu jit to a little bit tired as a matter of fact some of the young guns at the gym they'll they'll say oh you know like I'll go in to roll with him at night and the young guns will say oh I already worked out we already worked out today I'm not all fresh and I always say we think I'm fresh we think I've been doing all day so so yeah I like to work out before I do

jiu jitzu and I like to surf if there's good waves or even marginal waves get a little surf session in and if I can get I don't like to use the word cardio but I'll use it it's nice to go for a little run a little jog so that's sort of like my Grand Slam of a day. Oh, the three that no four four yeah sure if I Work out you know lift car calisthenics or whatever then do some kind of a Again, I'll use the word cardio go for a run go for a jog go for a swim surf That's awesome and then you throw the jiu-jitsu on top of it that's a grand slam for me I love those days and those are days you go to sleep at night, you know those are the days you you you go to bed and you feel tired

Yeah, you know, that's one of the things in in the book that's coming out the field manual Discipline equals freedom field manual I talk about sleep and one of the things I talk about Is you know as people are saying how how do you fall asleep at night? Because a lot of people You know we all everyone has trouble getting up in the morning, but then when you start saying okay. Well, I'm gonna go to bed earlier People have trouble falling asleep too. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people even me Mm-hmm, so what do you do to fall sleep earlier? I got a couple steps in the field manual one One of the steps in the field manual is be more tired. How do you be more tired?

You work out harder during the day. You drain yourself physically and mentally during the day. That way when you go to bed at night, you will fall asleep. Yeah. And I got the whole thing laid out in there, but that's one of them. One other note. So that's it. You know, do I work out every day?

Yes. Do something every day. Do something. Yeah. Do something. Even if you, even if all you have is 10 minutes, do 100 burpees. You know, just do 100 burpees. Just at a minimum.

Make that happen but also sick if you're sick do what you can get a little sweat going if you're injured do what you can if you're sick Caviot that doesn't mean go train jiu jitsu because if you're sick you make everybody else sick yeah at Jiu Jitsu and that's not cool So if you're that kind of sick don't do it Yeah, but other than that yes I work out every day. I try and train every day I would stay active yeah bottom line it It's gonna be hard though to try to mask your routine onto someone else. You know, like you, you can't just go into, let's say I'm a guy I work out once a day, and it's like just a, let's say it's a strenuous workout.

Not super strenuous, not like hard. I can't just be like, hey, Jocko works out four times a day on his good day. So let me start doing that. Like you can not only get hurt, but it won't work for you. Yeah, and that's another misconception, is that. that every single day that I go that I work out, I'm going level 29 to self-destruction. Yeah. You can't do that.

You can't do that. It doesn't, you can't do it. You just can't do it. I mean, it's not like you can't do it because it'll hurt you. You just can't do it. Right. You know, you do squats heavy one day or you go through three or four days of going really hard. The fifth, six day, one of those days, you're going to be like, okay, I need to back off

today. Whatever day it is So I'll do some kind of workout I'll still go I'll still get it on But I'm not gonna go level 29 You know self-destruction When I was going to boot camp There was a they would say

There was a room attached to the main hall The main barracks where everyone was This open bay barracks And if you got in trouble for something They'd send you to the side room And they'd say go in there and self-destruct Which meant you You did, and they had a list of exercises.

And it was, you know, jumping jacks, pushups, you know, sit up, just a bunch of random calisthenics. What, when they'd send you and they'd give you that? It was already in there. I think it was posted. Yeah, yeah. And then you went in there and you did one of every exercise, then two of every exercises, then three and then four, and then five and then six. And one of my buddies who ended up being a seal, who's a great dude, who I went to boot camp with. He is the only guy I went to Navy boot camp with,

and we both ended up in the SEAL teams. But the chief that was running, it was like, you know, whatever is, Seaman apprentice, he goes, get in there and self-destruct. And this guy was a wrestler, a college wrestler, legit college wrestler, great dude. And he went in there, and, you know, normally people are done by whatever, you know, five or six repetitions or maybe eight repetitions.

He was in there for like an hour. He came out just dripping with sweat. I knew I knew he was in there Getting happen for sure. Yeah, the wrestler version of self-destruct is different. Yeah, it's different than some you know guy from wherever that's, you know a non-restler a non-restler Yes, so put quite simply yes thanks. So they just kind of leave it to you yeah self-destructed. Yeah, thanks. Oh, and that's right he was the that's what it was he was the master at arms in my boot camp which I don't even remember who the wrestler guy the wrestler guy he was he was the master arms we went we were both from New England too and so we had had driven the the flown down there to Florida on the same plane and of course we were both kind of you know what are you going in the Navy for I want to be a seal what are you going

for I want to be a seal too so we kind of had a little bit of okay well at least this guy's kind of getting after it in some way and honestly he was a college wrestler I was probably like a little punk to him because he's thinking what is this I was just a high school kid go non-r wrestler going uh I want to be a Navy SEAL and yeah so anyways he was the master arms that's what he's like master's arms get in that room and self-destruct so that was a good time so no I do not self-destruct on a daily basis yeah but I do get it on every day and definitely push myself on a regular basis yeah and that's obviously gonna depend on what you Like what is the results because you're not at a point where you're like hey I need to really

Get in shape. I need to lose Yes, I am 25 pounds or something I'm not saying that you know what is interesting though is The days where I'm getting the the the grand slam going when I get to Jiu Jitsu I feel good Yeah the I train way better when I'm in the zone when I've been working out when I've had a good workout of surfed I show up the Jitsu I feel great I don't feel I'll feel tired, but I feel better right, right? I'll feel tired, but I feel better right, right? I Yeah, it's kind of like your second round of rolling. If for whatever reason I don't get a workout in the morning or I only get a really short workout in the morning and then I go train Jiu-Jitsu, I never feel optimal. And as a matter of fact, I have a personal superstition slash curse in my own head that if I don't work out in the morning, I am going to get injured.

So that forces me to work out even when I don't want to. Yeah. Because I say, well, I'm going to train tonight. I don't want to get injured because there's been. I think two injuries that I've gotten from Jiu-Jitsu both of them happened when I didn't work out in the morning I'm not kidding one of them yeah I didn't work out in the morning and I showed up and went to train and one of them hurt my ankle really bad like a high ankle sprain and that was bad but I didn't work out in the morning that must have been it and I think the yeah well apparently had to be it

I think the other one was I think the other one was a knee injury no it wasn't a knee injury right I think it was a shoulder injury. Anyways, whatever it was, also that day, didn't work out in the morning. For some pathetic reason, you know, didn't work out. So, for me, work out. It's mental prep. It's physical prep. Get you ready for the evening.

The Jujits. I think that's called availability bias. When you kind of, you draw that conclusion, you know, in your specific case. It stands out in your mind on this emotional level. So it's like, you know, you accept it. It really happened, though. So never mind your cognitive biases. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm telling you what happened. I understand what happened. But you have to consider all the times in your whole jihitsu career that you didn't work out. That's what I'm saying. That was the only two. It's such a small number. It's such a small number. I bet you it is, I bet you there's 10 times in the past 10 years that I didn't work out in the morning.

And I trained jiu-jitsu that night. Yeah, 2 out of 10. That's bad odds. Yeah. You can't consider you can't conclude that and that's probably pretty generous. It might be like five because sometimes I'm on the road and then I didn't work out, but I didn't train Jiu Jitsu. But for me to be here in my hometown with access to my garage gym and the Jiu Jitsu for me to just say oh, I'm just not gonna work out today. I don't say that right. It's not very common. No. Yeah, I would say if it was a muscle strain or or tear or something like this, I would say that would maybe make it a little different because you're stiffer, you know?

Yeah. But then again, ankle too. If you're super like warm, you can stretch your ankles and shoulders a lot. So I don't know. Hey, maybe you might be right. I could have it completely. Certainly sounds like I'm right.

But statistically. I think I win statistically too. No, statistically, let's say it's inconclusive. Okay, so 20% is not conclusive to you? Okay. No. It's not it. You know what I'll do? I'll keep working out given the quantity like you'd have to do it over time and then if there's like a discernible 20% then you could

Start to conclude okay I'm 20 years I'm talking about that's over time Okay, well that's fair that's we can make that a statement right now. Oh yeah more You're 20% more likely get hurt if you don't which is pretty big work out. Yes, yeah Those aren't good odds at all I know I'm working out every day now that's what I'm talking about Yeah, I used to do that um like but I would go hard workout then go jiu-jitsu but same thing though I think it's mental unless you're doing it like seven days a week for you know a few weeks then you can start to feel like hey or your nutrition is bad or I don't know something it's to go but you feel

better you feel better sometimes sometimes not all the time though I know sometimes I'll feel better if I don't work out but so I wouldn't say that necessarily in my case but I think it is more mental you know in jiu jiu jitsu like I think it's natural to put pressure on yourself to perform in jujitsu training you know because I think it's part of it like when I go in I'm going to roll against you I'm going to try to do good against you I'm not going to every single time I'm not going to go in and be like let's just see what I learned today let me work on my weaknesses and try to learn and yeah you're going to try to win I'm try to win and there's that element I think

most of the time for most people right so mentally we'll play these games or we'll kind of psych yourself out like shit I'm not at my best because I'm kind of tired for working out so I won't be able to perform now the pressure's on maybe I'm gonna roll with the guy who's my level maybe my instructor is gonna see me roll with him I'm not gonna do as good as I normally do he won't he'll think I'm not as good as I really am you know it's like so you're saying there's mental pressure when you're at the jiu-jit that's why I think that's why people will say oh I worked out today I don't want you to judge my performance it's an excuse it's a pre-roll

excuse in a way yes yeah I don't give that excuse yeah no you can't because it would be a lie too yeah because I would actually go and say hey I didn't work out today therefore my game is gonna be weak that's what I would have to say but I wouldn't say that's not the case for you most of the time yeah and it's pretty rare I think I mean in my experience I can it's pretty rare that all work out even a hard workout in the morning and then go roll at night and then it affects me like yeah I feel too it's pretty rare no now I will get so sore sometimes you know if you do squats yeah or you a hardcore like a hardcore kettlebell workout I'll be

sore and it takes a few minutes to get that soreness out of the body once you're on the mats and sometimes somebody will be doing some movement that's grinding on the quads and it hurts it makes you zicky a little bit sure so I was jumping I was parachuting I had like hardly this is like when I was when I was in the SEAL teams oh okay not like this one I was was parachuting and I didn't have that many jumps right I wasn't an experienced free fall parachuters parachutist at this time and the guy we were going jumping with was an extremely experienced highly experienced thousands and thousands of parachute jumps and he took a crew of us and we were all pretty much new jumpers we didn't know what the hell

we were doing and so so we go up and there's a ceiling meaning that the clouds are low and so we can't get to full altitude and so he goes hey guys we can't get up to altitude we're in the aircraft this is almost you know this is one of those cheesy like a movie type scene where we're in the aircraft and he's kind of yelling like what's going on to us yeah yeah like I'm playing great new guys and this guy was a master chief and he's like he's like hey guys we can't get up to altitude we're gonna just do a hop and pop at three grand or something like that meaning we're just gonna go at a very low altitude just gonna jump out and and pop our parachutes and I'm sitting there I've never even done a hop and pop before I barely knew how to get stable coming out of an aircraft the way you get you get you get you go through we used to go through free fall school it was like a rapid rapid evolution where if you did correct on one jump they moved to the next one and I did my jumps correctly so I didn't have a lot of jumps so then we get this guy saying and I only jumped at 13,000 feet before this so you have all kinds of time if you if you mess up on your exit which if you don't know when you jump

out of an aircraft when you're inexperienced you can get spun around as a matter fact Andy Stumpf talked about how he started spinning out of control and it happens Well, when you're at 13,000 feet, you start spinning. It's okay. You find your body position. You get stable. We called it flat, dumb, and happy, meaning you're falling flat and everything is stable and good. And then you can pull your parachute.

It's fine. Well, at 3,000 feet, you don't have time to do any of that. So when you come out, you basically have to come out and immediately adapt to the airstream of the aircraft and you have to get yourself stable and then you need to pull really quickly. And so I'm kind of thinking to myself, I have kind of thinking of myself, I have no idea how to do this. And I've known that I've messed up a bunch of exits, and I knew that I had gotten unstable a bunch of times jumping out. And you know, it'd just find my time and get stable and it'd be cool.

So anyways, this Master Chief's like, hey, guys, we can't get to altitude. We're just going to do a hop and pop at 3,000 feet. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, there's a limited chance that I'm going to make this exit properly. And I think I said something along the lines of like, hey, hey, Master Chief, I've never done a hop and pop before. You know because we're yelling an aircraft you can't hear anything I'm like I have never done a hop and pop before Look what's anything any pointers and it was me and all my buddies none of us had done it before And he goes yeah, it's no big deal you just go out just count to three and pull and I go Roger that and then he goes just don't Ziggy the exit

That's what he says just don't ziggie the exit meaning don't don't have a bad exit which like at this point like I said I was probably Batting 50% bad exits because I just didn't know what I was doing So of course what did I do? Okay fine. I'll just jump if I Ziggy the accent and die cool So be it but at least I tried to to hit it So don't ziggy the exit So what what else? Oh, so I went out. I didn't Ziggy the exit actually you know that's when the when the pressure's on You rise you know some you rise you hope to rise I always feel better. You know it's like surfing without a leash You know what a leash is right do you know I mean you're from

Hawaii you know yes I know it at least thank you some people wear a leash some people don't when you wear when I wear a leash which I don't like to you feel you can make mistakes and there's no there's no there's no there's no price to be paid because all you do is you fall on your board's right there with you when you don't have a rope on or a leash on when you fall your board is gone you have to swim for it it's a pain yeah it can hit people it's hazardous it's dangerous all these things yeah when I surf with a leash on I surf like crap when I surf with no rope which I prefer.

I surf better because if you don't make, if you ziggy that drop in, your board's gone, you're going to hurt somebody, it's a nightmare. Yeah. So, yeah.

And I'll tell you, my son the other day, there was big waves. And I mean, not big waves from a Hawaiian standpoint, but San Diego big waves. And he's just on a long board, no rope,

just dropping it on bombs. I was, I was pretty impressed. And actually, Especially because I have a little bit of a tweak shoulder right now. So I was wearing a leash because I can't quite grip my board as much as I need to. And so I was I'm sitting out there wearing a leash and he's out there and no rope getting after it. I was like okay. That's cool. Impressive yeah, not everyone's like that though. Not everyone's oh that they rise the pressure. Yeah like the or even in your case seems like you prefer the pressure I prefer the pressure it feels better like when you drop in on a wave. I'm like that they rise to the pressure. Yeah like the more. I prefer the pressure. It feels better like when you drop in on a wave. I. I'm like when you drop in on a way. I. I. I. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. And there's no there's no penalty for for making a mistake There's just less reward right you want more reward. Yeah, I did it's like rolling with people that you're better that you know you don't want to roll with people that you're just way better than there's no reward to it You want to you want to you want to feel a challenge right you know yeah, just I do yeah and that makes sense but I guess it's like that the the standard is different with use because like let's fit I was a sponger back in the day for those of you the

No, back in the day, Echo is riding a boogie board. We call it bodyboarding. Yeah. Anyway, same thing. Leash, no leash. But if you're shredding big waves, right, you want that leash. Because some people, I was one of those people where if you don't have a leash, it's like, okay, now I'm thinking about that a little bit now. It's on my mind.

Rather than you don't have to think about that, I can just think about, you know, this wave. Shredding. I can just think about shredding. Yeah. So you have that situation. But yours is a perfect analogy with the Jiu Jiu Jitsu guys like let's say you know you're a black belt and You know whatever you get matched up with a white belt boom timer goes off and then let's say it's a white belt that you've rolled with before So you not only do you expect to be better than him than him

You actually know it actually you know it yeah and there's no payoff so yeah your body is straight up has no Essentially no motivation or no incentive to quote unquote perform same thing yeah but I think but I think think with these types of things like surf it's just a different standard though some people in your case apparently you feel that in surfing with the leash but i think some people that at the same time it's like wearing a mouthpiece too you know yeah they'll be like oh yeah you know but that's not smart what not wearing sparring without a mouthpiece but no i mean not not jihitsu but if you start stand up yeah it's like boxing or kickboxing without a mouthpiece in that's not smart yeah but which I've done a ton of stupidly yeah but think of that that mindset

there where it's like yeah I won't wear a mouthpiece that way when someone hits me it's it it the cost is greater you know so it yeah it'll add some pressure we're talking about dental damage yeah yeah yeah it's opposed to the face losing your boogie board in the yeah to the shore where you got to swim a little bit more yeah man same deal jack all right next question Boxing or jujitsu for a seven-year-old boy Jiu-jitsu all day on that one it's a couple reasons it's fun It's active so you can actually fight the other person and it's real fighting and it's what they're used to and so many often when when parents come in and they bring their kid in for the first time or now it's week to

And the parents just love it so much. And I said yeah, they're doing what they want to do what they're what they instinctually want to do go look at dogs go look at cats go look at any animal out there in the animal kingdom you know what they do they grapple with each other and they and they actually do submissions right they they they if you watch like a wolf pack when that dominating wolf gets the throat of the weaker wolf the submissive wolf he doesn't rip his throat out the guy taps out game over you know he knows that he's the alpha now but it's the same thing so you know you watch little Or tigers they wrestle with each other. They don't kill each other. They top out. They get submissive. They say oh yeah, you won. So it's very natural and very instinctive to do. So yeah, Jiu-Jitsu all day long now

It's important to develop your striking and you can do that You know training boxing one two times a week. You know just get in there learn how to throw it. I mean it's really it's really pretty sad when you when you meet a grown man That doesn't know to throw a punch right? That's just not good. You should know how to throw a punch because if you get in a fight, the fight's going to start standing. And if all you know how to do is try and double leg someone, you don't always want to do that. In fact, you prefer to knock a person out in many cases. So learn how to throw strikes.

But I will say as far as seven-year-olds getting in there and sparring, too young, too young, all kinds of brain development still going on. Head trauma is head trauma. you're not going to get better at it as you get older. Well, I shouldn't say that. You're not going to get better at it by taking more punches. The more you get punched in the head, the worst you're going to be at it. Period. End of story.

I shouldn't say period. End story. When you turn 18 or when you turn 17 and you're going to start sparring, you're going to get better at it for a little bit because you're going to get used to it. You're going to understand how the reaction. You're going to know how to deal with the little white flash that hits you. You're going to become comfortable. in that uncomfortable scenario. But that uptick of increased improvement is very short.

And very quickly you reach the other side of that, which is every time you get punched in the head, you're taking your brain resilience backwards. So do boxing, learn it, throw punches, hit pads, make sure you know how to throw a punch. And you take a kid that's 10 years old, that knows how to throw a one, two, three combo, and he gets in a street fight,

he knows Jiu-Jitsu and boxing. He's not even going to get to the jiu-jitsu part because he throws a one, two, three, combo, and he's knocking out just about every other kid, or at least he's putting them down. Or at least he's shown that that kid is going to go, wait, this person knows how to fight, and I don't. Because it is hard to knock people out.

I don't care, you know, even a skilled boxer will have a hard time knocking out a random person in the street, because it's hard to knock someone out. harder. So, yes, Jiu-Jitsu all day long for the seven-year-old and do a little bit of striking to get them familiar with it.

Yeah, Jiu-Jitsu is way fun or two. And of course, it sounds like a matter of opinion, but just how you said, like grappling stuff is natural. Like even if you get two brothers who don't take Jiu-Jitsu at all, no wrestling, no nothing, and you say, hey, go play outside. They're going to start, and no ball, no nothing. They're going to mess around, and chances are they're going to start,

you know, one guy's going to be pinning the other guy on the ground, pinning his hands or whatever. And that's kind of part of it. So, Jiu Jitsu, it's like, it's basically Jiu-Jitsu. It's just that. It's literally just that except for there's actual skills in there so they can get good at that thing that they were doing. And that's one of the reasons that boxing or striking kick,

because I should say boxing, kickboxing, boy, whatever. There's a reason why it's a little bit boring if you're not sparring because now you're not sparring. You're hitting pads. It's just not as fun. Yeah. It is cool. And it's good.

And I'll tell you what, I've been to Thailand and it's awesome seeing the young kids. that are training like that all the time. You drive down the streets in Thailand. Just like in America, you'd see guys shooting hoops, or you see kids shooting hoops, you see kids playing catch the baseball. The kids there are doing Muay Thai. That's what they're doing.

And it's badass. That is badass, but that's a traditional thing. Yeah, yeah. When that's all around you, that's what we do, that's what us kids. Just like soccer, like certain places you're going to see more people playing soccer. You never see them playing basketball.

Oh, yeah, of course it's a traditional thing. But I'm saying, even at that young age, they do find it entertaining. And they and there also are ways to Spar if you can do it correctly That is like light sparring. It's almost like you're playing tag I call it playing tag and you can kind of play tag with a person You are improving your skills but you're not

Getting head brain trauma Yeah and that and that's actually a good point So playing tag because you do that even if you're not trained in boxing You'll do that anyway You know with your brothers like slap boxing We used to go before I actually took Jiu Jitsu when we just watched UFC or the hoist crazy videos we'd um we'd play slap

MMA basically So it's slap boxing You can kick them in the legs or whatever And even if you get them on the ground Your ground upon is just slapping them in the face Like we do that And that's fun even if you don't know Jiu-Jitsu or boxing or anything

So that's right I think that you're right about that In that case where you just have to be careful Of kids getting hit Kids and adults getting hit repeatedly in the head With legit strikes It's just not good for you period Yeah and that's kind of a slippery slope too when you're like oh oh seven year old boy I want to get them into boxing

you know so obviously there's a spectrum there it's a it's you know on one side you're like okay just get them learn learn how to throw one to learn yeah you know what else is important to say to you know I just thought of this is you said did you say there's a spectrum yeah yeah so there's a spectrum there's a spectrum of natural ability to take punches too right so some people can get punched their whole lives and they're fine you know in the head and And you look at some pro boxers that come out of their boxing career after having wars and they're they're they're they're cognitively fine and there's other guys that go through their careers and they're they're they're in rough shape when they get done they have a pugilistic brain syndrome I forget the actual name of it but they have you know the the boxers brain damage and so you don't know who's going to have that you don't know if your kid's going to have that or not. So if the only way to find out is to test them. by giving it to them, that's not a good way to find out. It's not worth it.

Even if they wanted to be a pro boxer. Yeah. It's not a good way to find out. Because you're going to find out when they're doing their first amateur bout and they get, if they get knocked out or, you know, they get bad headaches, it's a bad situation. Yeah. So I think that's one of the reasons why I think jiu-jitsu and wrestling is going to get even more popular because as you look at the UFC evolve, the people are now saying, you know, all kinds of

UFC fighters are saying, hey, I'm not sparring. You know, I'm barely sparring anymore. I don't spar before my fight or I spar a very limited amount and so as people are saying that well, what are you going to do if you're not sparring? Well, you're hitting pads. That's cool, but how are you going to train? You're going to do jihits. You're going to do wrestling. You're going to do grappling. That's where you're going to win the fight. So I think that as the UFC gets more and more popular and as more information comes out about traumatic brain injuries that come from repetitive hits to the head, I think that the popularity of boxing and striking training is going to go down. And the, the, the, that will force or cause the popularity of wrestling and jihitsa to go up. Yeah, potentially, yeah. It's true. But these, oh, what I said about the spectrum, I mean, everything's really a spectrum, but the approach to it, right? So let's talk about boxing, seven-year-old boy boxing.

There's a spectrum. One side of the spectrum is, yeah, let's have them learn the one too, have them learn a jab, hook across all this. And that's cool, hit some mitts. We'll do a workout, do some jump rope and do this. On the other side, the extreme side, kid, discipline, seven days a week, he's going to be the next, you know, Roy Jones Jr., or something like that.

And we're going to start them right now, kind of thing. So in that case, most of the time I would predict is that on the extreme case, the boy's not going to take to it as naturally, you know, unless it is part of the tradition or something like that that. But jiu-jitsu, like I said, it's just so, unless you're being that guy, that parent, you know, the one who's like, you're going, no matter what, you know? But I think so. I think you're right.

I think naturally they're going to take to something like jiu-jitsu. It's just way more fun. And even just the traditional atmosphere of jiu-jitsu is more fun. You're just, especially in the kids, all those kids have so much fun in there. They don't barely know that they're doing something instructional in a lot of cases. They're just, hey, you hold this person here with your knees on each side. Well, that's the mount. And the person on the kid on the bottom is learning the mount escape.

They don't even know it, but they're learning it. Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. Good stuff. My daughter doesn't even want to leave the gym now. That's so legit. You can just run around and think about it too. You're in a padded room.

Here's a padded room. Do whatever you want. Yeah. Go. Yeah, man, it's the best. Next question. Joccoe. How do you read books to prepare for podcasts?

How do you read a book to extract maximum benefit? Any advice on keeping yourself focused and being patient while reading books? So this was a series of reoccurring questions that were about kind of how I read. and I grabbed three of them that were in there. So how do I prepare for a podcast? It's actually a pretty in-depth situation. So first thing I do is read the book. As I'm reading the book,

I highlight anything that I find to be interesting or informative to me or reinforce an idea that I know or bring a new idea to bear. So as I'm going through, I'm just highlighting everything. And when I get done with... Now, just to say,

when we're talking Max Benefit, when I was in college and I would do that, that I would once I got done with highlighting the areas that I found informative or important then I would make flashcards of the highlighted areas so I was like double locking the information because when you as soon as I make a flash card I've already got it 50% in my memory I read it I highlighted it it was like 25% make a flash card that's another 45 or 50% and so boom now I got to do study the flash card for that last 25% to lock in the knowledge

Where when I go in to take the test, I know 100%. I know, I'm going to know every answer on the question. When you recall like a thing, you actually recall what the flashcards look like. Yes, exactly. You know how you wrote the A, you know? Yes. So that's what I would do. This is kind of a sidetrack when I was in college, highlight and then make flashcards of what I highlighted.

Now for the podcast, what I do is once I read it and highlight it, now I go back through and I look at the highlights. and now I start being selective of what is going to be in the podcast. And I actually circle the actual words I'm going to read with a red pen that I'm holding right here. And that's what I do. I circle. And then I have little notes that say next, like when I circle a section and then I'll even have an arrow that goes to another point. Or I'll have a little note that says go to page 49. And then there'll be a tab, one of those little yellow sticky tabs on page 49.

Boom. There it is. I can flip right there real quick so we don't have to edit we don't have to there's a flow I can keep rolling and then on top of those When I get to when I read something and I want to say something about it I have little sticky notes that I put in there either sticky notes. I have the sticky tape stuff which is pretty legit And I just rolled I roll that out I stick it on there and I say hey mention you know experience I had here or what happened when I was doing this and so I kind of make those notes and that way I can't Get it done and while I'm doing that is when I have to figure out the chronology that I'm gonna read it because I don't always read the notes from the book on the podcast in the same order

That they are in the book because sometimes it just doesn't make sense Sometimes there's some so at the same time I'm doing that I'm going back and figuring out what Direction I'm actually gonna read them all right so sometimes my conclusion of the book is different than the author's conclusion of the book I got a book and Yeah. So I got to go back and say, I got to go back pages or forward or whatever. So that's what I'm figuring out there as well. So that's kind of what the podcast prep looks like. Now, how to stay focused and patient while reading books.

This is really difficult. I don't have a long attention span. When I have a long attention span, it's only because I absolutely force myself to do it. So what I would prefer to do is to read in small chunks. I want to do work for like an hour at a time right when I'm writing I want to work for about an hour when I'm reading I want to read for about an hour after that I want to get up and break something or throw something or lift something or run somewhere you know what I mean it's I have an hour of patience with me Of course unfortunately that's not enough time you know especially when you're doing a podcast a week and you got to read a whole book well guess what you got to you got to read for longer you got to read for two three hours at a pop I'll try and make it that I do an hour early in the morning Sometimes when I'm behind the curve I will read first thing in the morning before I work out because I just want to get an hour done then I get to go and release

Right then I get done with the workout take a shower now I'm gonna read for another 45 minutes Okay good now I'll do something else little pre-lunch reading so and then before I go to bed I'm doing another hour so there I just got four five hours in a day without having to sit down and do something for four or five straight hours which bothers the hell out of me the other thing you can do and I do this is I'll read multiple books at the same time which is which is an interesting task a tactic I don't know if everybody should do that or could do that or would want to do that but sometimes one book gets boring but I know I got to read so I just have two books three books all sitting there and I'm reading them all at the same time and that makes them a little bit more interesting

And the last thing I would say about trying to be focused on inpatient when you're reading books is to try to really understand what it is that is happening in the book, not just from a plot perspective, but from a human perspective. What is that person going through? What is that like for that person? What are they thinking? And I get to a point where I'm so engaged I feel like I'm becoming the author. I feel like I'm in the book sometimes when I'm reading it.

So that is another good way to keep it engaging. Because if you're seeing it from the outside and you're not really in it, well then it's just not as engaging, simply put. If you get into it and you start thinking about that person, you go back, you do a little Wikipedia search on the author and see who they are.

That gives you like a little insight. Yeah, yeah. And that helps me now I connect with them I know that they're from New Jersey I know that they went to this college I know that they played soccer so now when I'm reading about them I'm going oh yeah that must oh you know so I try and get a little background on that person gives me a little bit more engagement. That's that that's my reading habits It's kind of advanced that and it makes more sense I think that like how you say you want to put yourself in the guy's head You know yeah actively I'm gonna consciously put myself in the in the in the

guys said sometimes people are so good at writing where you that just happens naturally but when you do when you do that it's like you can kind of get you get the story of course but most of the time you when you do the all the time it's lessons learn like what do you learn it's almost like when you're in your head is in it like that all the lessons are just flying into your brain you know yeah because it's almost like you're doing like you're you're going through that war that particular ambush or something like that and then you know they talk about the mistakes and all that but you feel the mistake yeah and also I have some experience with what they're talking about oh yeah so it's like and so and I'm not saying I mean I'm telling you right now I don't have

even close to the experience of the books that I'm reading on this podcast these guys that were in the battle of Iwo Jima and the battle the bulge no nothing I did compared to anything that they do but do I know what it's like to be waiting to go into a bad situation do I know what it's like to be shot at do I know what it's like to you know to have guys getting wounded yeah I know what that's like so that's a little connection to but I think you know everybody that's been in stressful situations of any kind you can say oh what must that feel like hey I know what it's like when I was waiting to you know going for a job interview and I was completely stressed out and that's what this guy must be feeling right here

only even worse so then you make that little mental connection a little mental leap and you can look like you said you can then learn more from it yeah yeah which is important yeah so if I'm going into this particular situation you know in a book I'm reading it and I'm not as engaged as maybe I could be this guy goes through XYZ experience I'm looking at it from my opinion like well I can handle that you know kind of thing but this guy is the type of guy who that's maybe part of his weakness or something like that and vice versa where you know like I don't know something about claustrophobia I might be like dang but that Class or feel be a part of it part of the story isn't necessarily a huge part of the lesson that you're trying to get from it you know so you might miss there might be some disconnects there if you don't because they have a certain intention yeah and you have a certain intention so if you're the lesson lessons learned you might miss some of those lessons just the feeling for sure missing for sure I'm not going to get everything out of a book that's why when you that's why when you get a really good book you read it multiple times and you get more out of it

every single time that you read it no doubt about that one yes true next question is it okay if extreme ownership sometimes feels inauthentic example taking ownership of something not really your responsibility when does extreme ownership become excessive self-blaming okay so again this was two questions there was multiple questions like this on the interwebs if Stream ownership feels inauthentic or if you're taking ownership of something that's not really your responsibility So yes, there is a chance that you're going too far However, the chances are is that there really is something that you can do about it and too often

People say we know it's just it's just something I couldn't control for example, right? There's things that you have zero control over right? And you could easily just say Hey, that we I couldn't control that and therefore I can't take ownership of it for like for instance If we were planning an operation and the weather went bad and so now our vehicles got stuck So we we could say hey, you know weather got bad. There's nothing I could do about it And that's people say well yeah, you can't control the weather no human being can control the weather Well guess what you could make that excuse and be okay with it guess what else you could do? Hey, I didn't have a good contingency plan for bad weather, for rain. We should have brought toe ropes with us.

We should have brought a winch with us so we could get out. That's what I should have done. I should do. So yes, even though it's really easy and it's like a 90% to just say, hey, it was bad weather, nothing I could do about it. You could do something about it. And that's when you start making those excuses, they're going to hurt you. Same thing in the business world, right?

Oh, well, you know, the market. I can't control the market, right? The market went down. We weren't expecting it to go down. And now, you know, there's nothing we could do about it. It wasn't my fault. Oh, really? Because what you could have done was diversify your income streams, right?

You could have diversified your income streams so you weren't lying 100% on this one segment of the market. And now you're suffering. But all you do is say, well, you know, not my fault. You know, we can't control the market. The market went down. Well, actually, you can control your position. Right. You control how you were set up strategically.

You didn't do that. So when you do those things, it's generally there is something you could have done about it. There's generally something you could have done about it. And so if it feels inauthentic, sure, question yourself, but then say, okay, what could I have done about this? And I would say this, even when you're with your troops and you say, look, I didn't have full control. of the market we I should have done this a little bit better we should have planned to diversify our income streams better I didn't do that here's where we're at here's we're going to move forward the guys aren't going to say like hang you out to dry

right because you took ownership of that thing they're going to realize look a jock was taking ownership of that that's cool we did get shafted by the market and oh well lesson learned we're going to move forward but when you just come in and say hey market went down not my fault do you lose respect to your guys So don't do that now all that being said is there situations where or are there situations where Extreme ownership actually does become excessive self-blaming and the answer is yes because there are certain situations where there actually is nothing that you could do So for example and this is a great example speaking of lessons learned from the book company commander that we just went over on the podcast Captain McDonald they got assaulted by like basically the entire German army and they were left to try and hold the

line with pistols and rifles against tiger tanks right and 88 millimeter guns and thousands and thousands of troops attacking them he could not have stopped them you cannot stop a a division of soldiers with a company of soldiers you can't do it especially when they have Artillery and they have tanks and you don't have any tank support it's it's it's an unwinnable situation So for him to continually blame himself and say I should have planned better Could he could he say that sure? He did what he did with the information that he knew at the time if he would have known it was a division attack They would have set up differently he thought he was just setting up a typical defensive perimeter right so can you get to a point where you're blaming yourself excessively yes you can and you you do need to be

somewhat cognizant of that I'm gonna tell you those cases are extremely rare extremely rare most of the time you have a lot more control over your own destiny than you think you do and the worst thing you can do is continually say you know what this is one of those rare instances where I had no control it's probably not probably an instance where you did it have control. So keep it in the back of your mind, but keep in the front of your mind, ownership. Yeah. Seems like excessive self-blaming. That sounds like, you know, maybe someone who's fully blaming themselves and then like instead of taking action to, you know, implement corrective measures, something like this, they're like, I suck and maybe they go into

a depression or something like this. Or yeah. Or they're gotten shy now. Yeah, what you're getting, yeah, absolutely. They dwell on it. Yeah, right? They dwell on the mistake. They dwell on the fact that things didn't go their way. They dwell on the fact that it's their fault and now they're like you said gun shy. That's great Indecisive. Yeah, people get indecisive. So no, yeah, those are great points. You definitely don't want to do that excessive ownership where it gets to a point where it turns you into a an indecisive person that's not going to make decisions because you're scared you're going to fail. You don't trust yourself anymore. Yeah, that's a great point. That is excessive. What you need to do is say, okay, this was the problem. This was my my fault here's what we're doing to fix it I'm gonna move on we can't dwell on the stuff that happened in the past can't do it good point that um how you you know how you kind of started this where if you if you let's say okay the opposite let's say you're a

blamer right you're like something goes wrong and you blame someone if someone's blaming me for something for everything you know all the time of course you know the defense comes up and all this stuff that always sounds but after a while they build that rep as being a blamer you know for so now just it starts to become automatic that you're defensive against this guy you don't trust them all this stuff but the same kind of goes opposite you know how like you know if someone's always taking responsibility for the whole deal they're not blaming you at all they're like no it's my fault no it's my fault they're correcting it

there you almost you have a bunch of stories like this where guys are like no it's my fault no it's my fault and they all want to jump in you know and so the point there is like after while you build that rep where it's all Automatic people will automatically not have any kind of defense or whatever they're automatically want to solve problems. Yeah, that's that's true too that rap man Building trust is how you put it it is building trust. It is indeed Interesting next question. What made you choose literature for your degree? You know, again, I think I've answered this before probably a few times. So I'll keep it brief, but people a bunch of people did ask along those lines along a question of along those lines the reason I wanted to become better at English and the reason I studied

English in college is because I had seen the importance of language in the military written and spoken so written you're doing evaluations your writing and reading and receiving orders your writing and receiving rules of engagement concept of operations awards field manual all these things that you do in the military are written either you're writing them or you're reading them so to be able to write well and to be able to read and understand well is very important on top of that the spoken word you're doing briefings you're giving op orders you're doing interviews or you're getting interviewed you're do even doing like interrogations all these things are spoken word

so the better command you have of the english language the better you're going to be a those and furthermore in that book that we read the armed forces officer 1995 edition I think it is they they I don't have the quote on me but leadership is is communicating with other people what the idea is what the goal is so communication is the use of words so the better you can use words the better job You're gonna do as a leader and that's what I realized when I was had the opportunity to go to college and got to pick my degree. That's why I picked it Pretty simple. Yeah, also it seems like when these when somebody's your boss or your leader in whatever capacity

You know like when someone misuses a word like or they'll say the right like they'll say irregardless you know you know it's something like you totally said that wrong after all you kind of like That feeling like I don't know disrespect this person or the guy he goes on a Facebook rant even if he's not your boss or something he's on a Facebook or whatever Twitter yeah goes on this rant but then he's like misusing you or in your you know or or failing to put a period so you know it's like you almost it's almost like you have that feeling like you can't take them seriously you you want them to take you language is important yeah yeah it is definitely important I mean not because technically I mean really how much bearing does that really have if it

It doesn't. If the idea is sound, but it just seems that way. At the same time, it does. And I'll tell you, like, one thing, I'm not a good speller. If it wasn't for spell check, I'd spell all kinds of stuff wrong. Yeah, but see. I never studied spelling because when I was a kid, I wasn't, because that's when you learned a spell, I think, was when you're a kid.

I didn't pay much attention to spelling. I never have. So just the fact that you care, though, that's, like, the major part of it. Yeah. You know, you're like, okay, there's spell check. Yeah. And one thing that's cool is, by the way, you don't need to major in English to get good at writing and good at communicating.

You could major in anything. As long as you, it'd be nice to take a couple courses, though. Because when you do start diving in, and I'll tell you, Shakespeare's a big one. When you start diving into understanding Shakespeare for real, you really learn how to read well. You really learn how to read well.

And when you submit papers that are being graded by somebody that is a master with grammar, And they're picking you apart you learn how to write better. There's no doubt about it and so that's why I I enjoyed both those both those aspects both reading and truly understanding stuff and writing and being graded in such a way that someone saying hey, you didn't need to use this word. You could have shortened this sentence and basically everyone's goal is to make things cleaner and shorter most of the time clarity though is to me the most important factor I want to make sure that what I'm saying is very clear so yeah English I took a class called advanced grammar and syntax

dig it and I just I just I would have I would I would have taken you know multiple classes if they had they only had one yeah yeah that was one of the best things I I did was when because My guys had to write evaluations. The guys, my subordinate leadership would have to write evaluations when I was at the, it happens my whole career, but once I became an officer. But when I was at the training command,

I had a hundred guys or so, probably more than that. But everyone had to have an evaluation written. And so it was the senior guys, the senior leader, my subordinate leadership, my direct subordinate leadership, that would write their evaluations.

And so if you didn't police these guys up in the get-go, There'd be issues. So I brought them in and I said, hey, bring me your best evaluation of your best guy. And so they brought them in. We put them up on the screen and I'd murder them. I murdered them all. And it was so good because they all got so much out of it.

You probably need to go through that drill like one time, maybe two times of someone murdering your writing. Because all you do is you start off, you just read their sentence to them. That's all you do. You just read their sentence. Just what they have written. You just read it. And they go, and you say, is that what you're trying to say?

And they go, no, no, I just stop, stop, you know, I'll go back. Because a lot of times when you read something aloud to yourself, you recognize how jacked up you wrote it. So that's like lesson number one in writing with more clarity. Just read your sentences and see what they sound like. So. Well, you can't really read your own though, right? Because when you read your own, you know exactly what you were saying. You know you can read your own.

But, and that will be helpful. but yeah sometimes you'll already have an idea in your head so you won't get the full benefit of having someone else read it aloud to you and laugh at you so yeah English is definitely important and and it's fun too I enjoy one of the odd things like for Twitter I have fun fitting something into 140 characters oh yeah that's enjoyable to me I know that's like a twisted thing it's a little puzzle yeah it's a little puzzle and now what could I use and maybe I could But get it in there. That's kind of fun for me.

I had that kind of fun in some of the English classes that I took where I was trying to just get the perfect words. And so there's a little puzzle too. It's a lot of fun. It can be fun. It can be fun if you have that type of personality. Yeah. Interestingly, you're not, I don't find you to be a grammar Nazi. No, I wouldn't say I'm a grammar Nazi much because I just don't think I'm an overt grammar.

Grammar Nazi. Oh, intro. I think, I think I find it, I think I kind of just say, oh yeah, that's,

that's poorly written. Yeah, to yourself, kind of, covert, covert, I mean, unless it's someone

that is going to turn something in and I just have to say, hey, man, this is not good. Yeah, which technically that's not being a grammar Nazi. Grammar Nazi is like me and you,

I'm telling you about, you know, jihitsu something. Yeah. Or beat the beach, and you're like, you know, hey.

I correct you. Yeah. I don't, yeah, I don't do that a lot. Partially, not only is it not cool, but it's a conversation, right? Yeah. And I was going to say something about like being from the streets, which is a major exaggeration because I'm not from the streets, although I spent some time in the streets.

But, you know, I enjoy language, right? I enjoy language. And so when somebody speaks improperly, I actually like it. It's a different thing. I mean, even Cormac McCarthy, probably my favorite. writer. He doesn't He does all kinds of crazy things. He doesn't use a lot of punctuation. He doesn't

use quotes. So you're dealing with a whole other ballgame. I'm not slamming him. Yeah. And honestly, it makes it harder, in many cases, it makes it harder to read what he's written. Yeah. And you know, people say, well, he says, you know, that it should, you shouldn't need quotations.

Well, sometimes you need him. Yeah. But I'm not going to sit here and criticize Cormack. Yeah. Bro, that makes so much time. I never thought about that how you how so two things actually where yeah you like it like there's these memes and they're the they're so funny where it'll just have a picture maybe familiar maybe not and then it'll have like some you know a little saying on top of it you know like oh how how it's when she goes through your phone i don't know something like that and a lot of those memes are just no grammar no it's almost like

just an ignorant person wrote it you know and it makes it way more funny so overall the point there is like people talk talking pigeon or something like that or with a It's a crazy accent, their English, not the, it can be more enjoyable experience. It's a more in-depth experience for sure. So there's that. But at the same time, there are a few, there's certain situations where if you misuse a comma or misuse or don't put quotes or something like that, you can literally say something different. For sure. Then their, you know, misunderstandings can kind of creep in.

Yeah. And people ask me about, I hate to bring this up right now, because this is just like a bloodbath argument. Bring it up. The Oxford comma, which you can look at in the interwebs, but it's basically when you say a list of things, the last thing that you're going to say, which normally you say and this, the Oxford commas, you put a comma before that and.

And for me, it makes things very, very clear. And the reason some people don't use it, it came from the new, I think, it came from newspaper where they're trying to, you know, fit stuff in the column and they can fit stuff in the newspaper so they hey we can get rid of that comment it's not needed that's kind of where it started but it's not proper and hey sometimes it makes sense but a lot of times it doesn't so anyways that's one small example and the other funny things I was talking about Coromack McCarthy I'm going to say this

little thing too because it reminded me of it another thing in the success magazine interview or article wasn't an interview as an article he said the writer who's a good dude he said Jocco rarely does interviews, right? And that's when Tim Ferriss said that two years ago, Tim Ferriss was 100% correct because I had done zero interviews. So he could have said, and he's never done an interview before. Tim Ferriss would have been speaking the truth,

and he was at the time. Since then, I don't know how many freaking interviews I have done. I have done interview upon interview upon interview upon interview. It's ridiculous. And I put in my little Facebook rebuttal to the argument or to or my, my comments about the, or corrections to the article, I said, I actually do interviews all the time.

If you want someone that rarely does interviews, that's Cormac McCarthy. Because Cormac McCarthy, he doesn't do interviews. He does. He's got what, I think he's done one interview in the past 20 years with Oprah Winfrey. That's it. 20 years one of the most You know one of the best writers of our of our time living today You know is he gonna come on the podcast?

Nope, he's not he should he rarely comes on podcast He should he should come on this podcast I agree But yeah also if you if you see a lot of misused grammar and you let it go and you see a lot of it You get better at understanding it you know you know how like you know how certain people they're like oh this guy's accent is too thick You know I can't understand them Meanwhile, the guy next to you was like, oh, I heard that accent before plenty times. Right.

You know, my neighbor is Jamaican or whatever. So they understand. It's kind of like that idea, you know. People misusing words, grammar all messed up. But if you're used to that, you're like, oh, I see what they're saying. It has a lot to do with the context as well. But I'm just saying if you're familiar with that situation. So it kind of expands your mind to allow people to use bad grammar.

Yeah. That's not to say you should use bad grammar. I'm just saying from a standpoint of understanding. I could see where you're coming from. I'm not sure that I would, like, completely buy in. to that but we'll go with it for this can get down it all good well you're right in the fact that some people can understand accents really well yeah and for me it depends on the accent some accents I can't yeah it has to do with what what you're familiar

with yes yes you are correct next quest Jocco what do you think about mechanical warrior robots in the seal teams again this is this is a question where people ask me this because there's weird hype and what's the word conspiracy type attitude about you know artificial intelligence and robots and all that and so my thoughts are robots like war fighting robots awesome let's build the most awesome destruction robots and let's build an army of them and let's let them get after it I think it's awesome you look at what's happening right now with drones and and unmanned air vehicles that's where we're going in another i forget the name i mean i forget the specific time frame but in 10 20 30 years there's not going to

be anymore manned fighter jets military fighter jets so why would you do that you can put a a computer in there and you can fly it from the ground or you can you don't need to fly it it'll do your mission that you want it to do. So when we can come up with a robot, a terminate a robot that can go and attack and take care of the problem, yeah, let's do that. I support it.

And the whole idea that robots will turn against us, we'll build better robots that will kill those robots. I'm not worried about that. Or we'll fight the robots. Yeah, I don't care. I say bring it on, bring on the robots. Yeah. I'll crush you.

Yes, tip. I know, like Joe Rogan, he'd be freaking out about some robots. You know and I think you know pretty much everybody I'm probably the ignorant person here right because the smart people like Elon Musk and Sam Harris They're all you know you got to watch out because this artificial intelligence is going to become smarter than us and then what are you going to do? It's going to attack us and control us Yeah their thing is if if if it winds up that they they ultimately figure out and they won't be wrong is that's the that's the view if they figure out that they don't need us then the logical thing would be to eliminate us. Like everybody and everything does ever, you know?

Yeah. And I got to admit, like, that sounds pretty cool to me. I say bring it. I want that robot war. Let's get it on. Well, typically robots, I mean, we say unmanned. Hey, I got a question for you. How about we unplug them, right?

Cut their power source. Yeah, but typically, I mean, even that when you, you know, I don't think it, I think there's you, I think that's a simple. thing for a robot if they're smart to understand oh they might very well cut our power source so they're gonna figure that out pretty quick I would imagine if they're turning but I like the way Sam Harris described artificial intelligence one time though he said Imagine that you that I ask you a question and then you have a year to go and research and come up with the perfect answer and then you come back and you answer that question but it happens in a millisecond that's what a computer is gonna be able to do yeah and And that's pretty awesome. Yeah. And do they end up then, and I don't, you know, I'm not a, I don't even know what you'd call a person that theorizes about this kind of thing. I'm not one of them. But that's pretty unbelievable. And it'll only get faster and better from there. I just think that, I don't think it's too hard to control, to put controls in there that prevent the turning of the robots.

Like preventative mechanisms. Yeah. I was like, well, you talk about unmanned stuff. And you know what? I'm about to make a movie reference. Hit it. Robocop. Hit it. Robocop.

Old school. Because I think the story of that had some kind of a mechanism in there. The directives. The directive. Prime directive wasn't allowed to kill. Wait, is it prime directive? What's that from? Is that from Robocop?

I think so. I know they're uphold the law, protect the innocent. I'm not doing it in an order. Something about trust see if you were AI you'd be able to come back with a perfect answer I know But you program in that you can't hurt humans or whatever right whatever like this You know what? Let's let's this is another situation. Let's see where it goes I'm good Rock and roll but the unmanned thing I mean it's based on like patterns you know so the unmanned thing

Usually you're not gonna find something that's really technically unmanned even a drone is not unmanned It's just less man they can be unmaned it's just less You know, well, yeah, somebody programmed at where to go, but you can put a drone in the sky that's going to go. Yeah, but see what you say, you can put, someone's got to put them in the sky, someone's got to launch somebody. So it's going to be manned, like the intentions of something, like that first intention of something, it's going to be manned. For sure. Once you give that up, then you're like, okay, now you got some problems. Yeah.

You know? Yeah, again, I'm just not sitting around worried about this kind of thing. So I'll let Joe Rogan and Sam Harris and Elon Musk worry. worry about keeping the robots in line You know what I'll be ready to? I'll be ready to fight them If they need me

Bring it Yeah Sure Next question Unless you want to talk about robots Some more No, that's cool Okay

Or Robocop No Yeah see even Robocop was man He was a man part man Part man part machine No but that the big machine That the initial one That caused the problems

Who Ed 209 The thing that Looks Like a had big legs. Yeah, yeah, Ed 209 man. Yeah, malfunctioning and murdered that guy in front of everybody Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have four seconds to comply. Yeah, you have three seconds to comply You have two seconds to comply hey, shut it off bro, the first time you watched that bro, that was that was tenseful That was a harsh scene. Oh, you loved it though. Yeah, savage I guess so

Ed two one knife Jocco What's your favorite submission? Real quick again, I Trying to do a little rapid fire here because people ask me this all the time Favorite submissions because I got to go plural on that one. Come here on guillotine. Those are my two favorite submissions, I think. The reason why is because they're both really effective ghee and no ghee. They're both really effective from the bottom, right?

You can do them from the top. You can do them from half guard. You can do them from mount. You can do them from a lot of different positions. you can do them in the street you can do them in MMA and you can do them in Jiu-Jitsu so I just like the fact that they're kind of

universal positions and very effective in every aspect of Jiu-Jitsu yeah those are good I'd go for the Kiyerah Rear Naked Choke for sure yeah those are ones that you don't

like they're big they're like granddad there's a few of them they're the Granddaddy submissions you know yeah and you could say arm lock is one of the granddaddies I just find the Camura to be a higher percentage move right right now lately my last several years I've been using more straight arm locks again but like arm bar or that there's a straight arm both yeah both because all my training partners are so good at defending my Cameras yes that I have to go to alternate

moves actually I surprised you the other day with a you were kind of let you were kind depressed too you remember what I'm talking about because you like I was a few weeks you was it was probably more than that but I remember your reaction your reaction was sort of yeah like I can't believe he got me with the arm lock and I even like made it like a comment yeah you're in the role like when you were going for I'm like like yeah yeah and it's it kind of seemed like turn up turned up the heat when I said oh yeah yeah I don't like when people challenge Challenge.

All right. Yeah, those are good. I agree. Next question. Jocco. You discuss making sure your teams have the freedom to make strategic changes to the plan if needed.

What if you're developing a system with your team and you begin to get pushback from them before you feel the core values are established? So, this is a really good question once again. you start coming up with your plan and you're already starting to get some pushback from the boys on what it is well what do you do listen to them listen to them why are they pushing back you know what I mean why are they pushing back maybe they have some good points is that possible maybe you're a little bit off base on the plan that you're coming up with or the strategy that

you're coming up with maybe you're not of course that's always possible too maybe they're wrong and you're right but hear them out you know know if I say hey we're gonna hit the target from this direction here and my team disagrees with what I'm saying why are they disagreeing what's what's the reason for that you know how do they think we should do it they should think we should come in from the from the south and I think we should come from the north why do they think that now if I know something is right and I am right then guess what I can explain it to them and they'll say oh jaco we didn't know that

We didn't know that there was defenses that we hadn't been told about to the south and why that's why we should come into the north or we didn't know that the sun would be at our back from the north and that's why we didn't know that at the time So you're right now if I can't explain it to them if I can't give them a reason why my strategy or my plan is better then there's something wrong with my plan or there's something wrong with my ability to explain it to them right So if you're doing the right things for the right reasons, you'll be able to convince your team of the strategy or of the plan and if you can't It's a hint that maybe you need to adapt your strategy or maybe you need to adapt your plan now be advised This is not easy This is not easy to do First of all you have to get your ego in check right because you think you've come up with the plan and you think it's the master plan So you you you have to put your your e-go in check right? You you you have to put your ego in check. I'm right? You you think you've come up with the plan and you you you have to put your e-you

Ego and check. Secondly, you might actually have the best plan, but maybe you don't have the ability to articulate the nuances of the plan. And so you get a guy that's a really articulate guy that's arguing with you on his plan, and he's actually winning the argument, even though your plan might be better. That's a tough situation to be in. So that means you've got to really get in the weeds. Now one thing that you could do in that situation is say hey I'm in charge shut up listen to me

And again this might be a situation where you're right and they're wrong, but if you can't articulate that properly and now you only way to do it is to pull rank on them Hey, you're gonna go backwards, right? You're gonna go backwards. So you have to be very careful of that again. This is why it's important to To have good command of the English language. That's why it's important to listen and That's why it's important to take people's ideas. And that's the thing with being a leader, okay? Have an open mind. Have open ears, listen, communicate, and lead your team not by rank, right? But by being able to discern and uncover and mold and shape the best possible plan

and the best possible strategy by and through understanding everyone's perspectives and ideas and then taking all those perspectives and all those ideas and coordinating them into a unified thought that leads the team to victory that is hard that is hard to do yeah but the minute again the minute that I'm telling somebody hey no just do it my way I know I know know that there's there's something wrong here either I'm not articulating right Which means I should take the time because if I'm right and you're wrong We should be able to get there to where you see that yeah we should be able to get there We could also get to a point where it's six and one half dozen the other

Yeah, yeah right we could get to that point too and at that point you know what I'm gonna do you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna use your plan if it's six one half does the other I'm gonna use your plan Yeah echo says come in from the north I say come in from the way West, we look at the pros and cons of each. I'm going to go with your plan. Would you want to come in from the West? Yeah, okay. If it's 50-50, I'm going to go with your plan.

I'm going to give it to you. I'm going to give you the ownership. That's what I'm going to do. Even, I'll tell you, even 60-40, I'm probably going to give it to you. We get to, you know, 70-30. Now you're going to see it. You're going to see the light. Yeah.

If you have any brain. Now, you could also be an egomani. Right who's like my way my way my way now we've got to break through that how do we do that? It's not by attacking your plan Which you're gonna defend because you're an egomaniac Instead I'm gonna say well tell me the benefits of your plan let's weigh it out between your plan and my plan Maybe we adapt your plan a little bit oh I like what you did here. I see where you're coming from that's a really good point I didn't think of that But also we need to consider this that I didn't you know we didn't know before so now we got to adjust so those are the things that are hard

Those are things that are hard about being a leader but the best thing you can do Open your mind open your ears listen to what people are saying take it on board if their plan is better than yours Great use it if it's not better than yours Okay articulate the reasons why have the conversations with them don't be scared It's a slick move. I I didn't think of that Oh well Got to build up their ego if they got the big ego. We gotta flank them Yeah, that's good

Get other people's perspectives Because it can seem like a 50-50 Or it can seem like 60-40 You know But It can also seem like a 64 Or 70-30

Your plan is better But to them 70-30 Their plan is better Because of their perspective Let's say they There's rats Dron down this trail Yeah

I don't like rats But if you didn't know that You know You're like for rats Who cares kind of thing You know Dang Bro you're advanced

Dogs would be a better thing To say rats aren't gonna interfere with your mission Dogs start barking and maybe they had They had somebody they read an intel report that said there was a bunch of dogs up in this This you know residents to the north so we want to come in from the west I didn't know that I didn't do good enough so now it's easy easy thing to convince me of Right? Yeah, but all we have to do is have the conversation Yeah understand the perspective talk and communicate those dogs with three

It's put your egos in check yeah or snakes by the way If you're Indiana Jones or something like this. Next question. Jocco. Have you encountered any gaps in the leadership capabilities of officers from West Point or the other academy? Okay, so for those of you don't know what the service academies are, there's West Point. There's the Naval Academy, which gives you Navy and Marine Corps officers. West Point gives you Army officers.

The Air Force Academy gives you Air Force Officers and the Coast Guard Academy gives you Coast Guard officers. there are four years They're military school They're really hard to get into They're extremely competitive They have massive amount of tradition At all of them And they are highly disciplined

And hard to get through So you would think Right That what I just said Would produce a A standard A very high standard Of an outstanding officer

The fact that matter is In my career It really makes no difference Because there's other ways that you can have officers other avenues that officers come from they can come from ROTC which is when you know you go to a regular college and you basically take classes about being an officer and you get shown how to wear a uniform and all that you can go to OCS which is when you graduate from college you go to a program for 13 weeks or however long each service has a

little bit different in the in the Navy for me I went to OCS it was 13 weeks that was after being enlisted for eight years you know you can be a prior enlisted guy like me which is you get your commission after you've been in the military and so all those I've I had outstanding officers or I worked with outstanding officers from each one of those commissioning sources I had outstanding naval academy guys outstanding West Point guys outstanding ROTC guys outstanding OCS guys just outstanding guys great leaders and guess what I also had crap leaders that were from the academy crap leaders that were from West Point crap leaders that were from OCS crap leaders that from RTC so and crap and by the way probably the the biggest

Example of the disparity of good and bad is prior enlisted so prior enlisted means that you were an enlisted grunt You were a frontline trooper in the seal teams or in in the military and then you get your commission. That's what I did And I had great officers that were like that and I also knew horrible officers that were like that. So for me, it doesn't really matter what your commissioning source is. It matters

who you are as a person and who you are as a leader. And if you have those characteristics that make you a good leader, if you're humble, if you listen, if you're dynamic, if you're articulate,

all those things that make a good leader. If you have them, it doesn't really matter your commissioning source. And if you don't have them, doesn't really matter your commissioning source.

that's what I've experienced in my time so it is interesting I thought when I first joined the military I thought these guys that came from the Naval Academy that I'm going to work with in the SEAL teams they're going to be really awesome because they went to four years of leadership training and learning how to lead and I mean Brian Stan's a great example right you could hear he got a lot out of them out of the Naval Academy a ton just the way he talked about it I bet That Brian Stan would be an outstanding officer if he went to the Naval Academy if he went to OCS or if he went to ROTC It's just he's got a great you did he learn lessons there? Yes, but he had an open mind to learn those things And so yeah, you know the the the service academies are are definitely awesome and

Really great tradition in all those but you know I don't think you need to go to a service academy to be a good officer and I don't think it really matters what matters is what kind of leader in person you are is that the kind of deal where you just never know who you're gonna get at the end because some people they're really good at you know these people they'll get really good grades but out in the field they do substandard performance wise because because they're good at getting good grades or they're good at taking classes kind of thing good at memorizing or whatever yeah

Yeah, and then yeah interesting But you don't know what you get as a person How were they brought up right? You know Brian Stan story cool about how he got brought up you know he just Very you could see that he he he wasn't taught his leadership ability in my opinion at the Naval Academy Did he learn there? Yes, did he take away a lot from it? Yes Anybody that heard him would probably think I definitely would would love to go to the Naval Academy But you know you listen to his story of his life He learned a lot

Prior to he learned a lot at when he was at At the TBS the basic school He just learned a lot and he had an open mind He was a humble guy and a hard worker That's what makes you a great officer You know that type of thing Yeah next question Do smaller built dudes have a niche for SOF world

For the SOF world? Soft world Yeah Special operations forces Yeah Do you say soft You don't say SLF Okay, smaller built dudes have a niche for the soft world?

Any advantages, disadvantages with physical size or of operators? Well, special ops guys come in all shapes and sizes, for sure. They are, can be big giant monster guys, and they can be little tiny, skinny, wiry guys, and that's the way it is. And they're all needed in the special operations community. You know, if you look at your average point man, your average. your average point man is a wiry light guy that's quick and nimble and you look at your average machine gunner he's a big hoss of a dude that can tow it around a bunch of weight but also there's a bunch of skinny little guys that are carrying machine gun there's some big guys that walk point and that's the way it is so

is there is there a niche for certain body types yeah i mean there is if you're a big guy you should carry something big like a like a machine gun if you're a small guy you should try and be in a situation where you're carrying a little bit of a lighter load like a point man or a rear security dude but both do both and there's a bunch of other I mean you know you look at a radio men radio man's got to carry a ton of weight too so yeah there's no real there's no real advantage or disadvantage I would say you'd Don't want to be that big and you don't want to be that small but if you are Get some you know get some there's just the way it is there's gonna be things there's gonna be things that are way harder for a bigger guy

In the seal teams and in special operations and there's gonna be things that are harder for a smaller guy and that's the way it is So You know if you've got to do submarine lockouts and you're a big guy you're gonna be in a little escape trunk a little six foot sphere with a bunch of gear in there. It's not fun to be a big giant guy at that point. No. And when you get to the beach after you lock out of the submarine and you got to carry a 55 horsepower motor across the beach into a cash site and you weigh 143 pounds, that's not

going to be fun for you. You want that big 260 pounder to come over and throw that motor on his shoulder and carry it into position. So that's why you have everything at a seal platoon. That's why diversity is good. in terms of body styles. X-Wish. Good morning.

Do you ever get edgy? Perhaps hangary? Near the end of a fast. If so, how do you deal with it? I tend to have more difficulty controlling my emotions during the last few hours. Thank you. Anyone that listens to me very often

will probably know what I'm going to say here. If you think you're going to get edgy or you think you're going to get hangary, just be of aware of it. it and don't get angry next question you know what I mean like yeah if you're hungry and you're frustrated because you haven't eaten and now it's starting to get to you just don't do that yeah I actually it's kind of like we were talking earlier about surfing without a leash or about you know parachuting under a pressure situation where I don't know what the

hell I'm doing but I'm gonna do it anyways and I get focused on it it's the same thing for me when I'm doing a fast I don't I I actually enjoy the fact that I'm under some excessive stressful situation. In fact, I like it better, you know, I want to feel that and then I want to be like, I want to say to myself, hey, you might get frustrated right now because you haven't eaten and your blood sugar's low. But I'm going to be, I'm going to use the echo Charles approach of, hey, that's weakness, right? It's weakness for me to be getting angry. It's weak for me to be complaining because I'm on a tail end of a 72 hour fast That's just weakness not gonna complain. What are you talking about? You don't need to eat for 30 days People can go 30 days without eating my daughter when she was cutting weight for wrestling this past season

She she would say that she'd say you know I'd be getting she'd say you know dad I would get really hungry And then I just think people can live for 30 days without eating I think I can make it through the next eight hours Come on yeah, yeah It's not that big of a deal. There's no reason to get hangary that's just an excuse don't do it carry on with your airborne self also you know how I said this before there's a difference between how you feel and then how you behave you know true you can get angry on the inside but once you start be behaving like jiu-jitsu man get angry on the inside yeah

yeah trading places that was pretty good like that yeah very good you know actually now to think about it when I was doing deployments back in the day in the day in the 90s we watched we there was nothing to do on a ship we didn't have the internet no one wrote us letters no one cared about us there was no so all we did was play spades and watch movies and with movies we watched run videotape because this is back of the day before CDs before Netflix you had videotape and we had a crate full of videos and so we were watching the same you know cheesy movies over and over again probably trading places was one of them so if you go back if you were to go

back further in the movies you're not because because what am I five years older than you yeah five or six years yeah so I'm just five or six years ahead of you on movies so there's a whole bunch of cheesy movies that I actually know about oh yeah that you might not know about yeah and occasionally we're getting an overlap trading places traded places iconic movie Eddie Murphy the man. Oh, yeah, but hangary, right? Karate man bleed on the inside. Hang.

I like that word hangary, by the way. That's fun, funny. But that implies that you're kind of like, oh, I'm hangary, you know? Like you're expressing yourself. Yeah. You know? Don't express yourself. Yeah.

Keep your emotions in. Keep it on the end and act like a winner. You can feel like a loser on the inside. Yeah. You can feel hangary, but act like, don't act like that. Never let other people see you be all pathetic like that. It's be like, oh, yeah, I haven't eaten in four days. Whatever.

You know what? Do you hear this joke? You know what I mean? Just, hey, I haven't eaten in six days. No big deal. I'm going to go train jihitsu. What are you doing? Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. Oh, what are you doing? Sitting around being weak. Don't do that. I'll be over here doing something else. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, separate your feeling and your behavior. And typically when it's the thing. And you know. No, you even have a word for it. Yeah, it's not like it crept up on you and I had no control over it. No, you identified it, gave it a name, everything and if, I mean, if my experience serves me, a lot of times when people say like, oh, I have, I get hangary or I'm PMSing or I'm whatever it's to explain their common behavior, meaning they just let it go. They embrace. That's how.

That's how it is for them kind of thing. Please forgive me. I'm hangary. Yeah, yeah, I get like that sometimes. What are you talking about and you just let it go, you know? Be like that on the inside. Be good on the outside. Separate the feelings versus behavior.

Next question. Stifle your emotions inside. You know, they say like if you get like emotions, you got to like let it out, a bunch of pill or whatever. Yeah. I guess as it turns out that's not true. No. Because if you internally, you know how you say stifle them.

Well, the reason I kind of say that with sarcasm is because I think that the, the for instance yeah you like you're saying people these days they say oh you know you got to let your emotions out you got to let your emotions out you got if you got to cry cry if you and I understand where that's coming from and you can get to a point as a person if there's something that's really traumatic that's happening and all you do is hold it in and I've seen guys get destroyed over that because they're not expressing the emotions that they have but But that's at a big level, right? At a daily level, no.

You don't express those things. You keep them in charge. That's why I say it like that. Like, I'm being kind of sarcastic. But the same time, I'm being serious. Yeah. You know, it's just don't let your emotions out and into the world. Keep them for yourself.

Own them. Yeah. Keep them for yourself. Don't share them with other people if you don't have to. Yeah. Now, again, people are going to freak out that I'm saying this because bury your emotions. Because that what happens when you bury your when you've got something really traumatic that you bury then it eats you apart and I've talked about that I mean talking about Things that you go through in life and and expressing those feelings that you have about them. That's good

But what we're talking about is not that what we're talking about is daily Emotions little ups and downs little tick marks on your Richter scale We're not talking about it an 8.8 on the Richter scale right? We're talking about just like little two Yeah and when you express those twos and threes on the Richter scale out to people Yeah, you just look unstable hangary. That's a two yeah that's a two yeah overall and and I'm not to split hairs or nothing but overall it's it's more about dealing with your emotions quote unquote So yeah if you if you if a good conducive way to deal with your emotions is to let them out and there's all different kinds of emotions like if you're sad

If something's eating you up on the inside because of sadness or whatever and it's conducive to your recovery to whatever to express yeah those emotions then yes but if you're hangary and you lose your temper on your kid that's not gonna you're not dealing with your emotions correctly so in stifle your emotions but it's not really it is stifling them but before you stifle them you're identifying them you're like oh hey I'm hangary okay I identified that I'm gonna separate feelings from behavior that's dealing with your emotions right there that's dealing with it's a great point that oftentimes

expressing your emotions to the world doesn't improve your situation or your position at all. Correct. In fact, I would say that most of the time expressing your emotions

to the world sets you back. And that is why I vote in many cases to stifle your emotions. Keep them in. Don't let other people see. You put your cards on the table,

right? You put your emotional cards on the table. Now, you can't gamble anymore. You're not in the game anymore. The person knows what's going on. That you're giving it to them. You're not going to know what I'm thinking.

You're going to think I'm just, everything's cool with me. We're training jiu-jitsu, right? If I'm getting frustrated and I show that to you, what does that do? You're getting, all of a sudden, you just go level up. You're thinking, oh, I got him.

He's frustrated right now. He can't. Oh, I'm working. This is working against him. If I'm just saying the same face all the time, which is what I do primarily, hey, same face all the time, just moving the same way.

When you do get me, I forget what you say, when you get me to react to something good, recognize the urgency. Yeah, you say, you say, oh, I recognize a little urgency there. And I always go, damn, I don't want him to recognize. I'd rather just have you just pass my guard and you're just there and me just sit there like it's no big deal. Yeah, and not. You meant. Then me get all panicky.

Yeah. Where then you level up a little bit. And that's the same thing with life, right? Every time you express these big emotions to your boss or to your team. You express these big emotions to your team. They see all your cards. Don't let them see all your cards. Is this manipulating?

Kind of, right? This is one of those things where people think, oh, transparency. We hear that all the time these days. Transparency. You got to be transparent. No, actually, you don't. Yeah, not with that. You don't have to be transparent all the time.

Yeah. You have to win the game. You know what? Does the football coach go out and hand his playbook to the other football team? No. He's got to win the game. And that's not how you win the game. So are we, you know what we're doing?

We're playing chess. It's emotional chess. You're playing with other human beings. You want to win. Now, if you're winning so I can take advantage of you so I can manipulate you and get something from you that you don't want to give me, that's bad. And I'm not talking about doing that. But if what I'm doing is keeping my calm so that instead of escalating an argument

with you, I'm getting you to see it from my perspective just by remaining calm, that's what we're talking about. You know Leif told that story the other day where it he tells the story a lot because it was a hilarious story where I came in We we didn't have a chance to talk to each other as he was planning this big operation And I come in 10 minutes before the operation I said hey let me let me see what you're doing and he kind of shows me on a map hey we're gonna go here here and here and it's like hey You should do this instead and he was like do we're leaving in 10 minutes and I said man but just think about it He goes you know what just cancel the op and he was all mad right

And, you know, he's like, and Jocko kind of like laughed at me. I didn't laugh at him like a, like a jerk, you know. Right. No, but I was like, hey, man, listen, just think about what I'm saying right now. But that's the, that's an example. Right. I didn't show my emotions, which was, which would be more like, dude, are you serious right now? You're going to cancel an op because we have a difference of opinion.

Think about what you're, I didn't do that. I was like, hey, man, I get it. Everyone's stressed out right now. We got to leave on this thing correctly. Think about what I'm saying, though. Look at this is all I'm saying we could execute this in a better way. So that's what I'm talking about. Does that make me manipulative?

No, it doesn't make me manipulative. It makes us as a team do a better job. And as soon as Leif saw that, he was like de-escalated himself. He was good to go. We move on. So that's what I'm talking about. Stifle your emotions at all times. But, you know, and just to address that, though, for real,

when you do see the big emotional impact, things in someone's life and they don't express them that absolutely is bad and I'll tell you where you see this a lot is with kids you know kids teens where they they're something bothering them and they don't they hold it in hold it in because they don't have anybody to talk to they can't talk to mom and dad because mom and dad don't get it their friends are the people that they're pissed off and the for pissed off at anyway so they can't tell them what's going on so they sit there and they harbor a lot of that anger and that can be that can be very

problematic and it goes through all through you know adults as well and in you know at work sometimes people well they got problems at home so they can't talk to their wife because that's what the problem was they can't talk to her husband because that's the source of the problem but then they get to work and they don't want to look like the person that's got problems at home so they're not gonna say anything there either and the next thing you do what are they doing they're trying to escape those problems how are they doing it instead of instead of letting those problems out and talking to somebody about them they're having a you know having a drink in the afternoon

Getting on the alcohol whatever they're doing something that's negative and they're not moving forward at all So those are not the kind of feelings that and emotions that you want to Subdu or stifle but these little ones and twos and threes on the Richter scale being angry get get get control those things It's stifling certain emotions ones and twos is a good way to deal with them because one these because they're usually real spontaneous emotions Yeah, and they'll and they'll and they'll and they'll and they'll they don't have the power to sustain. They're just going to,

they're there and then they just fade away. And that's cool. That's why, yes, correct. And then over time, now you're good at dealing with them in that way.

When you get hangary and you've been, for one year, you've been dealing with it by just ignoring it, you know, in regards to behavior, just not acting on it.

Now you're good at doing that. Now it's automatic. Now you don't get, you don't act hangary anymore. Next question. Okay, this is part question, part opinion. in podcast 13 you stated effectively not explicitly that jujitsu is the martial art that takes the most time to become proficient i disagree

here's why as a wrestler i've been able to pick up jujitsu in a matter of about two months to the point where i can submit a blue belt here and there and mostly control purple belt possibly there is white skill range long belt switch i only roll with lower level players i might just be a bad teacher but I've not had as much success teaching jiu-jitsu guys to wrestle. After the same amount of time, there may be a low high school wrestling level. I found it extremely difficult to teach jiu-jitsu players to shoot, penetrate with their hips, or effectively use their hips to defend us or scramble. Possibly my sample size is too small to form an accurate opinion,

but I'm curious of your thoughts on the topic. Thanks, love listening and learning. So yeah, I guess when I said that I should have said grappling in general, which is definitely harder to achieve a basic level of competence in Rather than striking now don't get me wrong You take a skilled boxer. They will destroy an unskilled boxer You take a skilled moitai guy They will destroy an unskilled moitai guy do you you've trained with good moitai people before Yes, right? The first person that I ever did that with that was that was

was a skilled moitai legit skilled moitai it was like black belt versus white belt right yeah I would think about throwing a kick at him and he would check it right and then he would throw a kick at me before I even knew what was happening right they're that much better they can see your hips they move it's the same same thing with boxing if you go against a good boxer they'll jack you up in that sport right in that sport you will get worked so now That being said, a good wrestler is a good grappler. You are a good grappler and that's why you're able to pick up Jiu-Jitsu very quickly

because wrestling is grappling, which is Jiu-Jitsu. There are there differences. Yes, there absolutely are differences. But it's like long board surfing and shortboard surfing. If you're or or baseball and softball, if you played baseball in college, When you get out on the the office softball team, you're a killer. That's the way it is. It's because you played soft, you played baseball.

You didn't play technically softball. It's the same thing with wrestling. And as far as the fact that it doesn't take long to learn, if you're a high-level wrestler, to learn jiu-jitsu, yes, absolutely. You'll learn it very quickly. Look at the history of the UFC. Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Randy Cochert. Tito all those high-level wrestlers and that's the history because guess what high-level wrestlers are there right now too

John Jones DC It's it's wrestlers it's wrestlers and wrestlers now are there other guys that come in and and fill it the the the I would say the majority base is wrestling So now You also have to look speaking of history you have to look at the early UFC's or or you go to any gym and the fact is the fact is a jiu jitsu only guy beats a wrestling only guy in a fight nine times out of ten that's the way it is that now if the wrestler can learn very quickly but if the wrestler only knows wrestling and the jihitsu guy only knows jiu jih Tzu the jih Tzu

guy is going to win simply because the wrestler though doesn't know how to finish the fight he doesn't know how to finish it he doesn't have any submission holds to finish a fight so can they occasionally nine times you know one time out of 10 or whatever get something and and yes that can happen but and and also I'm not talking about if you take a NCAA wrestler right and you put him against the white belt or or maybe even a blue belt there's a chance that the blue belt can't submit him the guy's just too strong that's if he has some awareness. If he has no awareness whatsoever,

he's going to get tapped out. And if you watch the early UFC's, that's exactly what happened. You know, the wrestlers, they might get positioned, but they were getting choked, they were getting tapped. And you go to any gym right now,

you have a tough wrestler walk in that doesn't know any jiu-jitsu. He's going to get tapped out. I mean, for instance, right now at our gym, we got a really good wrestler named Taylor Johnson, and I'll bring his name up

because It's I can remember it all because it's all been recent He's been training now for less than a year When he first came in he was getting tapped out You know that's the way it is he's a phenomenal wrestler Two months later he wasn't getting tapped out six months later. He's tapping people out So that's what happens But if you take physically kind of close people and you put pure wrestling against pure jiu jiu jitsu

Is gonna win now there's also another thing that you're probably noticing in this situation And that is that wrestling Wrestling Selects for athleticism Right wrestling selects for athleticism and for you to be competitive in wrestling You need to be strong quick athletic Agile all those things are important And I've seen that you know with the the school where my kids wrestle and you see it what it's like when you get a strong athletic kid and

and how they're able to execute moves better than someone that's not that good of an athlete and so Wrestling does that Wrestling is selective so if you wrestled guess what you're a really good athlete You and if you did well wrestling or you wrestled for a long time You developed that athleticism because you had to be explosive you had to train hard So that's that also Blue belts you look at a blue belt a blue belt a blue belt is basically a person that's been doing jiu jitsu for a year maybe two years right so that's the same thing as a lower

level high school wrestler right a low level high school wrestler is a guy that didn't start wrestling until he was a freshman year started wrestling well that's a low level high school wrestler and guess what he's getting beat so you should be if you're a good wrestler you should be able to once you understand the basic principles of jiu jih Tzu you should be able to beat Blue belts because they're a year into the game. That's the way it is. You know, you take a competitive wrestler and you go against somebody that's, you know, seven years in and now they're a brown belt.

Well, that's, that's a competitive high school wrestler. That's a senior. And he started training in sixth grade. That's seven, eight years. Go against a seven or eight year jihitsu guy. You've got, now you've got a good match. And likely the jih Tijuana is going to win. Now, again, if you take no.

If you take a pure wrestler versus pure jih Tijuana the jih Tzzi guy's gonna win all day all day So You know there's no denying and like I just said there's a reason that wrestling is the The premier skill set in the UFC that predicts champions no doubt about it it is a great and incredible martial art I I wish that that wrestling had kept its roots as catch wrestling and still had submission holds and all that because it would just completely change the game But it doesn't so you have to add them later

There's also something else too where I think that I think that people in general Wrestling's not for everybody Right? It's a very hard sport and I think that people avoid that grind of As far as as okay, you're gonna get good at wrestling now I'm a jiu jihitsu guy now I'm gonna make you good at wrestling Jiu Jitsu guys avoid the grind I shouldn't say all of them but some Often Jiu-jitsu guys avoid the grind of the takedowns and the intensity of wrestling.

They're not looking for that. That's one of the things that makes Jiu-Jitsu appealing to a very broad range of people is that you can train it at a mellower pace, right? And that's also why if you go to jiu-jitsu tournaments, wrestlers do really well in Jiu-Jitsu tournaments because they understand the intensity of rounds, of limited time of smashing someone, of going all out. Jiu-jitsu guy that's been trained in the gym,

they ain't ready for that first tournament. There's no jiu-jitsu guy in the gym that goes to their first tournament and says, yeah, that was just like what I thought was going to be like, no, they're not used to that intensity. They're not ready for it. So, I mean, and of course, not taking away from jiu-tzu guys that train like Mad Men with total intensity

and get after it super hard too, because those guys exist as well. And also, last little thing on this. there are also some wrestlers that don't adapt to the slower pace of Jiu-Jitsu. They can adapt to that, and they don't adapt to the slower pace of MMA, and so their whole career, they gas out. And there's plenty of pro-MMA fighters, UFC, that have come in high-level wrestlers that they couldn't ever quite make the transition to MMA.

So you know bottom line these are these are points that I pretty much agree with that the that this this guy made and wrestling's awesome I think it's a great base I think it's it's a form of grappling and it complements Jiu Jiu Jitsu and Jiu Jitsu complements it and I wish that it was one sport Yeah, but it's not so you have to do both yeah and it seems like Like to because he was a Originally, not complaining, wasn't complaining, but his premise was that, you know, Jiu-Jitsu is not, in fact, the hardest one to master, you know, wrestling. He's implying that wrestling is harder to master, you know, because he taught Jiu-Jitsu guys wrestling, and they didn't pick it up.

Right. It was kind of, in Jiu-Jitsu, you can break all kinds of wrestling rules in Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. And, but wrestling guys, when they'll come. in if they they have to learn to break some wrestling rules otherwise it's going to be their detriment sure a lot of them a lot of them carry over a lot of you know a lot of the strength and explosives sit-outs and stuff but man if a wrestler can't break the rule to to go to his back you know he's going to get choked the wrestlers will give up their back all day because they don't want to go on their back you know and that's why they're going to get choked all the time but if like taylor you that's a good example bro he'll flop to he broke that rule quick and that's why he said good because he can expand his mind and break that rule so but consider the jiu jitsu guy right now he has to learn all these so he has to essentially and not so much break the rule he has to probably break some rules you know but not going his back whatever but a jiu jizu guy doesn't have to break any jiu jih Tzu rules necessarily so it's like wait why am i going to do this case and point case and point how much time and effort am i going to put into learning a takedown correctly when it barely decides the match exactly right And you don't have to.

There's a mental, there's a mental gap into the desire for knowledge. Because if I, if you take me down, cool, I'm going to guillotine you. I'm going to, you're not going to pass my guard. Whereas when a wrestler shows up, he has to learn this stuff. Otherwise, he's losing. He's getting tapped out. He's getting choked. Yep.

So that's a great, great point there. Yeah. Very true. So, yeah. You don't have to, you know, and even when you say, okay, Jiu Jitza should focus more on takedowns and it's really cool and you should definitely focus on takedowns You got to learn them and it's very important But at the back of your mind

As a jiu jitza guy I might just bull guard Yeah I don't really care if you take me down. It's okay or and then now we're talking about in this case I'm not saying that me personally because I don't like right right I'm just saying potentially But and here's a thing to even add to that even If you're considering the comparison of wrestling and jiu jitza take the takedown situation Take not all takedowns are quote unquote wrestling takedowns. I can be like, okay, I can not learn wrestling at all and still be good at

takedowns. If I learn judo or if I, you know, if I learned something else. So again, so it goes, it's basically you're taking something really vast with a lot of easy ways to maneuver around certain techniques and still be vastly successful. And then you're basically saying, okay, let's take that, a person who has that approach and narrow it down to this much more difficult approach and way less effective approach essentially is the vastness of grappling I can still be successful in grappling without learning XYZ wrestling moves and then you want to teach them these XYZ wrestling moves probably some that can go against you especially when it comes to energy conservation and all this other stuff that's why a guy maybe yeah it might be difficult to learn that but how

you said there's a gap in the motivation to learn so it's difficult to want to learn or care or care about learning this thing when it's gonna serve me less in my grappling. No doubt. You can just look at the human facts of Jiu-Jitsu. There's a reason why takedowns are not emphasized very much in Jiu-J-T-T-T, at a normal academy. Right. A normal academy, they do not have the focus on takedowns like wrestling.

Wrestling, yeah. Wrestling, the takedown wins you. It doesn't win you the match automatically, but that's a huge part of wrestling. is getting the takedowns. Jiu-jitsu, it's a little tiny percentage of the match. Does it give you two points? Yeah, but it doesn't mean anything to me because I'm going to submit you.

Yeah, and just the nature of the game, you know, wrestling is take-down pin. There's more to it, I understand. But jiu-jitsu is just submit the guy, you know? So, jiu-jitsu, in a way, it's like, just get it to the ground. You can win off your back, you can win from the top,

you can wear wrestling. I like that. Yeah, I mean, people literally, Pull guard and then win from their back Oh, design. It's zero seconds on top, zero. Yeah, win the match. And so the fact that you can pull guard

Gives you this entire out Right. To get away from doing takedowns and you can still be victorious Yeah, very, very often. Yeah, and that goes along with these even these techniques that he mentioned like you know You know You know through see hit the basically that there's there's a lot of moves in there. They're big moves big moves big moves and they do help you but like I said, they're just, they're simply not necessary, you know? I mean, any physical move is helpful to know and ought to defend, whether it be from offensive, you know, or defense

position. But again, if you're trying to narrow it down and teach these guys who, their approach and their knowledge comes from the vastness of grappling. Yeah. And you want to narrow it down to this thing, it may or may not work, you know, and it may or may not serve you. It could work against you but here let's try to learn this real hard yeah you can have that gap in motivation those guys actually don't care about the takedowns yeah and i'm going to go on record now as saying this just because jiu jihs doesn't focus on takedowns doesn't mean that you shouldn't focus you should learn takedowns you need to know takedowns from a self-defense perspective from an m m ms perspective take downs wrestling you have to do it i mean that's why my kids wrestle you know

It's because I didn't wrestle, and I hate that fact, because I go against a, like he's saying, you know, I go against a good high school wrestler. It's hard for me to take them to the ground, you know? You get somebody that wrestled in college, I know what's, I know I'm not going to. Now I have developed good takedown defense over the years, and it's actually takedown offense because I have offensive ways of defending the takedown. You know, I'm going to throw submissions and stuff. But I can't go back in time and go through the training that you get when you're a high school wrestler and college wrestler. I can't do that. I can't do it.

I mean, I just don't have the time and the motivation to do it because I'm in the same boat as the guy that you're just talking about. How much time am I going to focus on takedowns? I know I go against a college wrestler. he's taking me down. I go against a good high school wrestler. There's a good chance he's taking me down. So how much time and effort? I mean, I could spend the next five years.

I could go through a competitive circuit. I could join the wrestling club. But am I going to do that right now? Is that time effective? Or do I just want to get better at Jiu-Jitsu? And then have access to the rest of the grappling spectrum that you just talked about. Well, it's an obvious choice. I'm going to focus on the spectrum that has the most application

in every situation I'm going to be in. Yeah. So if you get the chance, wrestle as much as you can. Learn your takedowns, drill your takedowns, put your kids into wrestling. Jiu-Jitsu for sure. Put your kids into wrestling.

They don't have to worry about it then. The fact remains, some people, they don't want that beef, you know, where you got to go and wrestle, man, that's hard, you know? And even like a wrestling, you can have a wrestling style to your jiu-jitsu, you know?

But again, if you if you don't want that you know who didn't wrestle Craig Craig Baker yeah didn't wrestle yeah you were you like you were you trade with him you'd be like oh where did you wrestle in college is what you think he's pure jiu jit-to yeah didn't wrestle in college yeah didn't wrestle in high school didn't even wrestle in high school he feels like a total wrestler when you're with him and his takedowns are great yeah and there's some Brazilian guys that have come up that you know Brazilian UFC fighters that are very good wrestles that never wrestled before they have really good

takedowns yeah and But you know you're gonna you're gonna have to work for that and these kids that come out of high school Yeah that wrestled in high school. They got it. Yeah It's a little gift that work has been put in yes Yeah, yeah, but for these guys and back to the question for these guys that he's trying to teach and he totally says like it could be my sample size I understand and that's a good point actually but Because the sample size be big you can get guys like Craig they'll pick that stuff real quick But at the end of the day when it comes to as he put it

when it comes time to shoot, penetrate with their hips, or effectively use their hips to defend or scramble, you can omit all of those things from a jiu-jitsu guy, and he can still win. Yeah. And be vastly successful, you know, so. Scramble? You got to, you got to.

Scrambles, a questionable one. Yeah. You have to be able to scramble. Yeah, but again, I mean. Let me, let me, let me, you, scrambling is a very good, valuable thing to have in Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. Much more valuable than, you know, you know,

You know, being able to penetrate it on the shop. Yeah. Yeah, agree. But, yeah, wrestlers, right? That's a weird, that's such an interesting one. Bro, I roll with this. I feel bad that I forget his name, but I roll with him every time I see him. And he's swallowing me.

I give him maybe 165, maybe, but an awesome wrestler. New guy, too, under one year. And his game is wrestling, but he's, like, high-level wrestler, you know? So if I play the wrestling game, and I know wrestling, like, I'm solid, I can wrestle against good wrestlers, maybe not Taylor, but good. wrestlers so I can play and I'm bigger than him you know so if I go and wrestle to wrestle this guy bro he like he runs game on him yeah he'll run his game course but if I if I just slow down in my mind be like okay he's a wrestler

dude just yeah let's work around the wrestling oh no problem yeah you know but once once he if he can give up the wrestling rules you know you know you know he he because he has that athleticism he can switch his hips like all quick base just like like he's built into the ground. That's how good his base is. You know, it's, you know,

but yeah, wrestling. Yeah. And I guess from a human nature perspective here, if you were to apply this to other situations in life, think about when you're trying to get people to do things, think about the motivation that they have in their head. Not motivation of like,

hey, let's go. But the actual, the actual mental motivation of what they're going to gain from what you're trying to give them. And do they see the reason of why it's important? Yeah, very good point. Got a pilot across the board.

Jiu-Jitsu's life. Wrestling is life. Wrestling is life. Grappling is life. Next question. Hello, do you happen to have a podcast discussing loyalty to marriage that involves marriage to a service member? I see many marriages, military spouse, where the service member has a great background in the military, but lacks marriage at home. You know, I actually have answered this question.

before and maybe not this specific but I'm gonna go over it quickly just because this isn't just about military you know relationships it's about any relationship but you know from a military perspective absolutely military relationships are very hard you've got time away you've got classified work there's a lack of understanding of what's going on at work and you've got lives at stake right And with that the job has to come first and that's a very hard thing for people to understand that the job has to come first Why does it have to come first for survival? Because the harder you train the better you know your teammates the better shot you are The better your chance for actual survival in a combat situation

So a spouse has got to understand that right that in order for the service member to take care of the family family the service member has to do his utmost to prepare himself and his team for war the number one priority now what the spouse has to understand is that this doesn't mean that he wants to spend time away from his family he doesn't want to his team over his family he doesn't want to miss the recital doesn't want to miss the ball game doesn't want to miss the teachers conference But he has to he has to So spouse

Don't be mad when he makes that priority Except and understand that the family is the number one priority it is the number one priority. It is the number one priority, but in order to be there for the family he's got to prepare for war so that he can come home to his family after deployment now this this obviously also applies to police this applies to firefighters and I'll tell you what it applies really to the breadwinner man or wife husband or wife in any walk of life right if you're the breadwinner for the family you've that that's what you're doing you the way that you're taking care of the family is by bringing home money so that there is food and housing and clothing and a secure future

that's what you're doing and so the the spouse in these situations has to understand that the hard work the hard work and the hours and the days and the weeks that are taken away from the family is actually done to provide for the family right so that's the the key piece that that that the the spouse has to understand now the service member and again I've talked about this before the service member or the firefighter or the police officer or the breadwinner what they have to do is they have to make sure that they don't go overboard that they draw the line somewhere that they don't destroy what it is that you're trying to protect.

Don't destroy what it is you're trying to take care of. Don't give the plant so much water that you drown it. Don't cook the steak so long that you burn it. Don't work so hard for your family that you don't have a family anymore. You've got to have the balance. One of the things that you've got to do is you've got to explain that to the family. And you've got to tell them what's up and you've got to tell them. that they are the most important thing and that all this work that you're doing that's taking you away from them is actually being done for them and you've got to communicate that to them

They got to understand it's hard for them. It's hard for a eight-year-old kid to understand why you're missing the The baseball game or what the the six-year-old girl while you're missing the the jihitsu tournament or whatever It's hard to explain that But you've got to at least try you've got to make it evident them and you also have to make sure you don't have you abuse it right because work work can be fun and hanging out with our teammates for an extra day of shooting or an extra day of jumping or having a beer at the pub on the way home that can all sometimes be more appealing than the recital then the ball game so don't abuse it you you have to take care of your family and

You have to talk to each other and understand this balance together. Understand the sacrifices that are being made on both sides so that you can work it out and maintain the strength of that entity, the family that you're trying to take care of. Yeah. And I mean, I walk the line on this one. I work hard and I worked hard for my whole life. Yeah, and it's going to depend too, right?

I mean like how you say don't work so hard that you don't have a family it depends how rigid or resilient like the family is and that has to do with like you know you ex explaining and it's kind of like lifting and over training you know I'm lifting so I can get these results when I rest or all this stuff right but if I'm just living lift lifting no rest and but it's going to depend on how strong I am to begin with kind of thing so I mean yeah man it makes sense you know it's helpful I think if you explain it though like how you say with everything yeah just Keep explaining for my daughter yesterday last night asked me why she wasn't sad or nothing like that But she's like why do you work so much things I mean this face I don't work so much but as far as she's concerned if I'm not playing with her at that moment or you work too much I can work one minute I work too much but I was like oh dang I had to think of it from her perspective yeah you know and I explained it I explained it all and she had fun me explaining it you know Yeah, and now she understands I had uh you know I was like sitting having a dinner with my with my family you know And we don't eat together every single night because we're all busy doing a bunch of different things So we were having dinner and for some reason I had something going on it's business where I was pulled out my phone and I was Texting someone going back and forth and you know

One of my kids was you know why you on your phone right now And then you know my like wife chimed in. Yeah, I can't you just put that down and I said hey just so everybody knows did you get defensive? I did get a little bit defensive on I said, just so everybody knows, if I could, I would take this phone and throw it in the ocean and never look at it again. But I have work to do. And sometimes my work involves working at night. And most of the time, if I'm working at night, it's on this little gadget right here that I have to look at. So that's why I'm doing this.

Not because I don't want to listen to you. Not because I don't want to sit here and just focus on the family right now. But guess what? I got work to do. And the work that I'm doing is not for me. It's for this family. So we can have a house. So we can have food on the table.

So back off. But they got the point. You know what I mean? I didn't really yell the back off point. But they understand. They realize, you know, and for, you know, for my, for my young daughter that was, you know, five years old at the time, I said, this is how we get food. And this is how you get toys.

I have to work to buy you toys. Yeah. You know, do you not want any more toys? She was like, no, go ahead and answer the phone. Yeah. Did you work to do? Yeah, the toy, that's why you have toys. That was part of my speech, too.

There you go. That wasn't all nuts, though. Didn't get nuts like I did. It wasn't very confrontational. She was like smiling. She doesn't get confrontational. Keep in mind when I'm working, she has the option to jump on my lap. Right.

Keep that in mind. So it's this isn't a troublesome situation for me and I understand that but the point still is there though You explain it like you explained it or like how I explained it and if they know and they understand then it's like it's clear you know But not that's not to say that they don't have a point though because sometimes especially if you don't explain or you're not engaged at all these people who You know they're in the phone that's why you need to check yourself that's why you need to check yourself and make sure that you're not going overboard that you're not abusing it because you know what as as you're not engaged at all these people who you know what as you're you know what as you're you're Does that client really need to hear from me at this moment? Yes, the answer is, and this is, you know, I figured out years later. It's like, no, actually, they don't need to hear from you right now.

Yeah. Not all the time. Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes, but they can hear from me a little bit later. Yeah, yeah. After dinner. Yeah. When I text you right back, you have to respond right back.

Yeah. No, you have to respond right back. Sometimes I'm busy cruising. We got a time for one more you think? No, we don't, but we're going to do that anyway. Jocko, do you have a specific place or time you spend thinking specifically about your fallen comrades? Yeah. Any time that things are going good in my life, any moment of happiness, any time I'm enjoying my life or I'm thinking about what the future holds, that's,

when I think about my friends that died. So surfing after a good wave and waiting for the next one, after some good jiu-suituit, training, after a good workout, or a good meal, or maybe a smile, or a laugh with a laugh, friend or having an ice cream cone with my with my daughter or playing guitar with my son or catching a catching a little smile from my wife those moments at those moments without a doubt

that's when I think of Mark and that's when I think of Mikey and that's when I think of Ryan and that's when I think of all those those brave souls and That have fallen and I always will. I always will But you know it's not It's not a bad thing and and I don't want you to think that it that it ruins the moment because it doesn't It doesn't at all It doesn't fill me with sadness or with sorrow or with pain It doesn't make me angry or frustrated and it doesn't make me angry or frustrated and

or depressed or dark and it doesn't make me focus on on death do that at all it makes it makes me want to live makes me want to live more and do more it makes me want to be more to know at those moments those precious moments this this life life is a gift from those men And they gave this to me. They gave me that moment. They gave it to me. They don't have it anymore. They gave us everything they had.

Everything they had. They gave to us. So grateful, grateful to them. And when I think of them, B, I knew them. I'm happy I served with such heroes and I'm happy gave me the chance to be happy of death drag me down and for them for tonight so Echo you take a quick minute or 47 minutes and explain how someone can support

this podcast if they want to yeah so I'm gonna go right into it if you're into supplements or actually even if you're not into supplements on it supplements it's actually not just supplements though it's like all kinds of stuff to improve your whole life game physical so yeah supplements whatever so mental mental yeah mental physical emotional even new mood Hmm. It's called new I haven't tried that

Yeah I don't want a new mood I like my current mood Yeah Somebody told me I should smoke Pot Sure Like hey you should

Yeah you should just try it You know you're out of the military Now you should just You know Should try some pot And I was like Oh Interesting

But like why do you think You know I should do that And they said well You know You won't be so angry All the time then And I said I like being angry

I don't think I'll try Your potion Yeah, which is also kind of strange, even that, I mean, I know you don't actually like being angry. You're also not angry all the time. That's true. I don't think I've seen you angry, but maybe three times ever. What did I get angry at? You're angry at Dean for something.

Okay, well, yeah. And then... Something else. Actually, so one time. That was it. That was the only time. Like actually it was at Dean twice. Yeah.

That's, yeah. Dean can be frustrating. Hey man. And if you're angry all the time, there's this thing called new mood. By on it. I took it once, but I didn't feel like I was in a new mood. But from the people that other people that take it.

Because, you know, like, okay, so supplements like anything else, it's like you're, you're probably going to take the ones that you feel like you need or you want help with. You know, like if you're like, okay, I got to recover better from my, because I work out so much. you're going to take some kind of recovery thing, you know. My joints are, you know, whatever, you're going to take krill oil or something for your joints or whatever. So new mood is one of those ones where I was like, okay, I'm sleeping fine. I don't have necessarily like hangover situations or depression or anything where I need some enhancement. Not to say that I couldn't benefit.

I'm not saying that. But I'm saying I'm not gravitating towards. Do why do you order it? I hear good things, man. I hear a good thing. Because I'm thinking probably in the back of your mind, you're like, you know, I'm cruising right now, but I could probably cruise. harder if I had new mood actually know about it for my wife because she you know how like she's the kind where she like if there's a task like let's do the task real task you know oh yeah someone that

likes to get stuff done yeah yeah yeah yeah type of person echo yeah you can see why she didn't like making videos we're being a whole new scenario right now anyway I want it for her so you know so she wouldn't be so productive No, because she said that. She stresses from it. Yeah, especially with the new day. I mean, kind of new six, seven months, whatever. But, you know, like, when it's time to go sleep,

you know the kind where, and I don't know if you're like this, but you know the kind of where me, if I'm like, hey, I'm going to go take a nap from three to four. When I go in at 259 to go take a nap, in the event of me doing that, I go into 259 at 301, I'm probably either sleeping or close to sleep. You know, not everyone's like that where they'll be like, all this stuff was on my mind.

Because I go in to take a nap and I'm like, BTF BTF BTF BTF BTF BTF can't sleep car I get up and do more stuff Yes exactly so this new mood I took a nap the other day though I took a like serious nap yeah I was just tired Slacker yeah tired on the couch that's kind of Yeah no couch naps are are sort of I don't like the couch naps too bad yeah pretty dope because I think you gotta go all right I'm gonna nap boom gonna feed up elevate set the alarm clock couch nap is just like what happened Right, right. Yeah, you know what's weird in a way? And I'm just, apparently, I guess, I'm just speaking from experience, I don't have any, like, technical reason.

But it seems like the couch nap, you're in this mental state that is kind of like you have low expectations of comfort. You know, so your body's like, you know what? You might not be the most comfortable, but, hey, you're not moving. So boom, you just fall asleep. But when I, when you can go, like, in your room and you. and you lay down and you're like, wait, wait, wait, the temperature is just a little bit not cool.

And then you're like, okay, let me adjust the temperature. Oh, wait, wait, wait. I hear something outside. Let me close the door. You know, so it's almost like you can't sleep because the conditions are perfect when you have that expectation of perfect conditions.

But on the couch, you don't have that expectation. You're just like, it's like if you're napping outside on the grass. Hey, I don't have a blanket. I'll just pull this pillow over my left arm. And I'll be good to go. Exactly right. So, yes, I'm not expecting.

I mean that just has to do with naps, but This is the new mood one. That's for like if you have like stress, you know, don't talk about it. If we don't know Then talk about another thing. Yeah, boy I think we do know I think it the conversation went in that direction of its own like momentum. Okay, well next thing you know we're talking about naps. Yeah, I know I know that's so on it. Yeah, okay on it's the best supplements. Let's get that out of the way like straight up factually. I know. I know. I know that's that's so on it. Yeah. Okay. On it's the best supplements. Let's get that out of the way like straight up factually. Yeah. But also they have like, you know, Warrior Barraud the other day. So I got some Warrior bars.

I already had them. Whatever. Did a workout and I like to eat after work. I got to get a certain amount of protein in there. And not necessarily, oh, I'm going for counting my macros, nothing like that.

But if you only have like one small piece of half piece of chicken left over from a lot, you kind of need more, my opinion. I needed more. So I was like, but I made cool. Like it was like this brown rice.

It was good. But I only had like this half piece of chicken. So I was like, shoot, I need more meat in there. Look in the fridge like nothing. So I got a warrior bar, two worry bars, and chopped them up and, like, put it in there and, like, heat it up in the microwave. It was actually good.

So it was like a buffalo meat, chicken, rice, um, concoction. Concoction. It was good, though. Even you're used to worry bars kind of like beef jerky or like a, was it like soft and moist? It was, no, it wasn't solid. It was still the warrior bar. It was just a warm warrior bar. But it was good.

It worked. It worked. the flavor profile worked I like it majestically I'll have to give that one a run

anyway worry bars if you don't know what that is there look on on it dot com it's buffalo meat and it's dope gluten free by the way anyway so the main ones is what

krill oil for your joints you'd be surprised how much joint degeneration we all have that's what I think okay get the krill oil

also you're trying to entice me in the longer conversations I'm not taking the bait I don't want to know about your joint degeneration Yes, you do.

Of course you do. You keep that in your mind. No, bro, of course you're the one who turned me onto it. So you care. Joint degeneration. Joint maintenance. Crill oil for joint maintenance. This is, okay.

This is where cruel oil. Okay, so this, Greg, Greg Train, McIntyre asked me not yesterday, not the last time I saw him Sunday. I hear fish oil like what, no, it was one. Who asked it. Greg was just there. One each. Yeah. he said

oh what's the difference between fish oil and krill oil because I take fish oil whatever what's the difference okay here's the difference my wife's dad would say that

this dude if the krill oil is better this is why because krill oil the omega-3s that's what you're going for so they both fish oil and krill and omega-3s

so fish oil attaches to your triglycerides krill oil omega-3 is attached here phospholipids so what does that mean

who cares right Who cares about it? I just want it, you know, in my joints. So let's say your joints are a nightclub, okay? Follow me. This is a perfect analogy. Okay. Your joints are in a long analogy?

I'm going to make you sure. Joints are a nightclub. That's your joints, right? And you want the omega-3s to get in there. Right. Right. So omega-3s are your crew. Jocco is triglycerides.

Echo is phospholipids. Okay. Hey, Jocco's cool. His crew, the Omega 3s, we both have Omega 3s with us. They're attached to me. We're, me and you are on the guest list. Hey, who am I going to let in? Jaco and his rowdy crew of Omega 3s?

Navy SEALs. They do burpees at random times. They want, you know, or Echo because they're just cruising. They both spend money. They both, all the Omega 3s spend money. They got to be in the nightclub. But which Omega-3s is the bouncer going to let in? Your omega-3s?

The omega-3 is attached to you, the triglyceride, or to the phospholipids. Who's me? Who? Probably me. Yeah, okay. So, anyway, boom, that's why the krill oil gets let in better. Can't say, boom, after a 14-minute story.

That's not 14 minutes. It doesn't work. But you see what I'm saying? That's basically how your body is. I think everyone understands. It's better absorption. Crile oil in that, you know, creel oil format.

Okay. For black of better. term it just gets better absorption there's other stuff to some antioxidants stuff that you know what you know anyway get the cruel oil take care of your joints you'd be surprised the role they play and everything that's my opinion if you're not on that get on that also good way to support amazon click through what you do is you go before you do your amazon shopping if you don't know already before you do your amazon shopping go through the website jococcal podcast or joccal store whichever click on the amazon link

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And, you know, these are good because you can share them with your friend, you know? If so, okay, so I have some technical knowledge of you. So I know how to share the link and then in the link that I share, I can manipulate the little URL or whatever. So when they click on the link, it'll start at a certain moment in the video. Right? It's not hard to do.

You just, there's a little setting. But anyway, I can do that. So if I'm like, hey, let me share Jocko's take on this with my friend Joe or whatever. And he,

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You know, they're just more shareable so they don't have to listen to the whole podcast to get the, you know, the specific lesson. That's really cool. You'd think that there would be a lot of those from your excitement about them. Yeah, it depends on what you mean by a lot, but I think, yeah, there's some significant, you know?

Okay. We're putting more on there. You'll be the judge of that. Over here on this end. Also, Jocko has a store. If you don't know, it's called jocco store.com. If you,

you know, if you like these shirts that we make and we put effort into the shirts, they're not like the cheap, make a stencil, spray paint, cheap, Haynes,

not that Haynes is cheap, but cheap shirt here. Can you give away for it? It's not that kind and they're good, like, quality. I'm saying. I say the spray paint thing because I've made shirt.

like that before when I was a kid yeah so they're not that kind they're good they got some you know cool these if you like them so check out those go there jocco store.com if you want to support in that way get a shirt and represent in the wild boom women stuff whatever shirts patches rash guards 19% performance increase proven 147% proven 19% improvement hoodies as well it's getting warmer I understand but still it's cold some places Michigan still cold the the the hoodies are probably good for this time of year right now yeah because they aren't the heaviest of weight next winter we're gonna go

jaco style on the on the hoodies they're gonna be heavy weight this year we would echo style yeah lightweight koai koai they're they're still hoodies but they're not as heavy yeah duty they're like medium heavy they're they're medium I think technically they're I think they are medium heavily yeah Next year we're going heavy heavy heavy going heavy heavy yeah Um or we could go light for the spring summer as well. Oh let's not just do that the whole fashion thing We're only to make one kind for now one heavy Anyway go there Jocl store.com

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feeling moments of weakness in regards to your workout or waking up early or slipping on the on the whole diet program and i don't mean diet like i'm just saying eating correctly and not incorrectly If you're about to slip on that, you get enticed. Like my sister explained she did with her son, brings home some brownies. She couldn't help but eat the brownies. Now she's paying for it on the treadmill, according to her words, not my.

At the moment of the introduction of the brownies or donuts, as the case may be, you put on one of these tracks. It's called sugar-coated lies. Snack time. Sugar-coated lies. Listen to Jocco. He'll explain to you.

some stuff that will cause you to not slip on that plan. And this goes for, like I said, waking up, doing the workout, pushing yourself during the workout, all this stuff, getting your work to all this stuff. So if you need a spot in those areas, look into that. It's called Psychological Warfare. Jocko Willink. It's on iTunes. Good way to support yourself.

And by happenstance, it supports the podcast as well. Double whammy. Double gravitational thing. also while you're clicking through Amazon you can order jocco white tea you can get on amazon.com do the click through try it be careful be careful when you use it but give it a try see what happens and I got a couple more just reviews from amazon.com since taking it with me to the gym over ice I not only get to enjoy the semi-sweet flavor of the tea,

but I have also noticed increases in strength. On squats, I've noticed a 15 to 20% increase in strength while using it, and my deadlift has gone from 475 to 805. And by the way, it says semi-sweet. There's no sweetener in the tea. It just is what it is. There's no sugar in there. That would be just hypocritical,

and I would have to close down my life. Yeah, that'd be wack for sure another one No big deal I'm not a tea drinker But needed a sound substitute to kick the diet soda Jock white tea is what the reviews say I drink it iced and I love the taste since drinking jocco white tea My total and free tea levels

Have increased I don't have the labs to back up my claim But my voice is deeper, my muscles are leaner, energy increased, and my wife's favorite result is increased stamina. I feel 21 again. Enjoy the tea and support the podcast. Dang. Again, science. These are from Amazon, right?

These are peer-reviewed reviews. Reputable. So these are reputable. And jocco-white tea, you can get it. And you can write a funny review. like everybody else is doing a little book coming out called way the warrior kid by the way it's coming out soon it's coming out may second it's gonna sell out and Once people read the initial ones that sell out the people that got it they're gonna order more It's gonna be back ordered and you're not gonna be able to get one so order it now real easy

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It isn't a seminar about finding yourself. It's not going to help you channel your internal chi towards eternal bliss. It's not going to do that. It's not what the muster is about. The muster is about leadership. Pragmatic leadership skills for you to use in your business and your life. You work with people You lead people or you aspire to lead people

Who's gonna teach you how to do that? Where are you gonna learn that from? Actual question where do you learn that from? Who's gonna teach it to you? That's the question the answer is the muster Learn to lead your people learn to lead yourself May 4th and 5th New York City Marriott Grand Marquis Are we playing around?

No We are not The first muster was awesome Why are we having a second muster? Because the first muster was awesome That's why we're having a second muster So come to it And

Until We see you at the muster Because by the way I'm going to be there Laif's going to be there J.P. is going to be there Dave Burke can to be there That's not enough for you

And you need something to kind of close the deal Don't worry Because Echo Charles is gonna be there probably giving a four-hour speech to the public Until the muster You can also find us more on the interwebs Cruising and in Echo's case cruising hard We're on Twitter Instagram Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink and lastly

Thanks for listening and giving us feedback and inspiring us to do this inspiring us to do better and to be better knowing that we aren't alone on this mission knowing that you all are with us in the game standing watch not backing down not settling for average not just going through the motions but living living life living life hard and fast and aggressively and taking every opportunity to step up step forward step on fear and step on failure and step toward a better you and step out into the unknown to get after it so until next time This is Echo and Jocko.

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