Jocko Podcast - 80: How The Way of The Samurai Translates to Life Today. Musashi, "The Book of Five Rings"

Episode Date: June 21, 2017

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This is Jocko podcast number 80 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Takizzo lay among the corpses. There were thousands of them. The whole world's gone crazy, he thought dimly. A man might as well be a dead leaf floating in the autumn breeze. He himself looked like one of the lifeless bodies.

surrounding him he tried to raise his head but could only lift it a few inches from the ground he couldn't remember ever feeling so weak how long have I been here he wondered flies came buzzing about his head he wanted to brush them away but he couldn't even muster the energy to raise his arm it was stiff almost brittle like the rest of his body I must have been out here for quite a while he thought wiggling one finger at a time little did he know he was wounded with two bullets lodged firmly in his thigh clouds shifted ominously across the sky the night before sometime between midnight and dawn a blinding rain had drenched the plane of Segikahara it was now past noon on the 15th of the ninth month of 1600

Though the typhoon had passed, now and then fresh torrents of rain would fall on the corpses and on Tekezo's upturned face. Each time it came, he'd open and close his mouth like a fish trying to drink in the droplets. It's like the water they wipe a dying man's lips with, he reflected, savoring each bit of moisture. His head was numb, his thoughts, the fleeting sheet. shadows of delirium. His side had lost. He knew that much. Kobayawaka, Hadiki, supposedly an ally, had been secretly in league with the Eastern Army, and when he turned on Ishida Mitsusari's troops at twilight, the tide of the battle turn two. He then attacked the armies of other commanders, Yukida Shimizu and Konishi and the collapse of the Western army was complete in only half a day's fighting the question of who would henceforth rule the country was settled

it was Tokugawa Yasu the powerful Ido Daimo images of his sister and the old villagers floated before his eyes I'm dying He thought without a tinge of sadness. Is this what it's really like? He felt drawn to the piece of death, like a child mesmerized by a flame. And that right there is the opening of the novel called Musashi by Iji Yokishawa. And it's a giant novel.

And it's about the life of Miyamoto Musashi. the Japanese swordsman from the late 1500s and early 1600s and he's probably the most famous swordsman from Japan and I apologize for my pronunciation of Japanese names I'll have to work on that But Musashi which is a book we are going to cover we're not covering it today We're gonna cover it in podcast 100 that was decided upon when Tim Ferriss came on the podcast podcast we're gonna cover the the novel Musashi and again Musashi was a swordsman probably the most famous Japanese swordsman he was born into a samurai family around 1584 and there's a lot of questions around his upbringing but the reports are that his father was a very

tough and demanding samurai and then at some point around age 10 his father was either killed or something else happened and he's basically disappeared now Musashi fought his first duel at age 13 against a grown man who he killed by throwing him to the ground and then beating him with a bachin which is basically a wooden sword and He fought multiple battles defending the Toyotomi clan, which is who he was aligned with. And he continued to fight these duels, amassing more than 60 wins. Now, some of these duels are to the death.

Some of them are. They actually agree upon what they're going to do before they fight. And he won all the ones that he participated in. and his most famous duel was against a guy named Kojiro, also known as Gan Yu. And he was the biggest rival of Musashi. And they were both at the time when they fought, like the most famous and feared swordsmen in Japan. And then after that, he went back. He was a warrior.

So he went back. He continued in combat. He had a few more duels after that. and most of that his life and and how that went up until that final duel is portrayed in this book and it's historical fiction right there's not that much truly known about his life and so this book that's written by Iji yokeishawa yoshikawa sorry it's it's a huge book and like I said we're going to cover it on podcast 100 and when we cover it by the way spoiler alert I'm That's why we've been telling people since podcast number 50 because the book has one of the most astounding endings of any book and this thousand page book It all builds towards this final ending which is literally on the last two pages it like the ending happens and it's over And it's awesome and it's worth it but before we cover that book

I thought it would be smart to cover two things that mousson actually wrote himself so after that duel that famous duel with Kojiro he became a retainer for some royals and he was you know basically a warrior on staff and as he got older he ended up writing the first thing he wrote was a book called the book of five rings which is really famous everybody knows it it's correctly translated or alternative translation is the book of five spheres And another thing that he wrote was the Dakota, which one of the translations is the way of walking alone. And we'll get to that.

But first, we're going to talk about the book that this famous swordsman actually wrote, which is pretty cool when you think about it. So let's dive in to the Book of Five Rings, going to the book. I've set my mind on the science of martial arts since my youth long ago I was 13 years old when I had my first duel on that occasion I won over my opponent a martial artist named Arima Kihi of the new school of accuracy you like that you like that that's the name of the school the new school of accuracy at age at 16 years of age I beat a powerful martial artist called Akiyama of the the Tejima province when I was 21 I went to the capital city and met martial

artists from all over the country although I engaged in numerous duels never did I fail to attain victory after that I traveled from province to province meeting martial artists of the various schools although I doled more than 60 times never once did I lose that all took place between the time I was 13 years old and the time I was 29 when I I had passed the age of 30 and reflected on my experiences, I realized that I had not been victorious because of consummate attainment of martial arts. Interesting statement. He's like, I wasn't victorious because of my supreme martial arts. Perhaps it was because I had an inherent skill for the

science and had not deviated from natural principles. It may also been due to the shortcomings in the martial arts of other schools. In any case, I subsequently practiced day and night in order to attain an even deeper principle and spontaneously came upon the science of martial arts. I was about 50 years old at that time. So looking back, and I feel the same way, when I look back at my military career, I think of all the things that I could do so much better now. If I would have had to write extreme ownership when I was a task unit commander,

I wouldn't have been able to put together because I didn't have all that knowledge. I couldn't see it and so I had to actually go through it and then look back and reflect on it and then I understand my My own lessons better and they actually become more clear to me You know with every day that goes by I understand A deeper principle of what I originally thought worked and I understand them more clearly Since then I have passed the time with no science into which to inquire Trusting in the advantage of military science as I turned it into the sciences of all arts and skills.

I have no teacher or anything. So he's taken what he learned from the military and from martial sciences, and he just applies it to everything. He doesn't have any other sciences. Don't need them. Yeah. Now, in composing this book,

I have not borrowed the old sayings of Buddhism or Confucianism, nor do I make use of old stories from military records or books on military science. Again, I love that. this he doesn't quote other things he doesn't he's not pulling quotes and using them he's just he's using his own words mm with heaven and and and canine for mirrors I take up the brush and begin to write at 4 a.m. on the night of the 10th of the 10th month 1643 I had to include that because clearly he's he's he's up before the enemy even though he's a retired soldier 50 years

old he's actually he's old in that 1643 he's quite on a bit he's up early and he's writing this stuff now and again it's amazing you can sit here and read what he wrote in 1643 back to the book martial arts are the warriors way of life commanders in particular should practice these arts and soldiers must know this way of life in the present day there are no warriors with certain knowledge of the way of martial arts you imagine he's saying that when the there's literally samurai in existence in Japan and he's like these guys don't get it imagine what he'd be saying right now today first let us illustrate the idea of a way of life for the physician healing is a way

of life a poet teaches the art of poetry others pursue fortune-telling archery or various other arts and crafts people practice the way To which they are inclined develop individual preferences few people are fond of the martial way of life First of all the way of the warriors the way of warriors means familiarity with both cultural and martial arts Even if they are clumsy at this individual warriors should strengthen their own martial arts as much as is practical in their circumstances So he does say that a bunch you've got to be familiar with all you know obviously he's focused on martial arts but you've got to be familiar with the cultural arts as well people usually think that all warriors

think about is being ready to die as far as the way of death is concerned it is not limited to warriors medicants women farmers and even those below them know their duty are ashamed to neglect it and resign themselves to death there is no distinction in this respect the martial way of life practiced by warriors is based on excelling others in anything and everything I like that and that is actually what uncle Jake in the book way the warrior kid tells young mark what's a warrior a warrior a warrior's the one that's doing his best in everything that he does so I'm down with mosa on that one whether by victory and an individual

duel or by winning a battle with several people, one thinks of serving the interests of one's employers, of serving one's own interests, of becoming well-known and socially established. This is all possible by the power of martial arts. Yet, there will be people in the world who think that even if you learn martial arts, this will not prove useful when a real need arises. Regarding that concern, the true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time and teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things clearly I subscribe to this and that's why extreme

ownership of the book we say all the time it's applications to the battlefield to business and to life all all all the same it's all the same back to the book the field of martial arts is particularly rife with flamboyant showmanship with commercial popularization and profiteering on part of both those who teach the science and those who study it the result of this must be as someone said that amateuristic martial arts are a source of serious wounds so do we see this today yes we do we see it across the board we see it with actual martial arts schools in the modern sense of a martial art school

and we it's that's being beat down a little bit right now right because because we have MMA we have Jiu Jitsu we can actually test and you can't just run around doing acrobatic kicks that aren't actually functional yeah or that magic one that they do

yeah or the the DEMOC where you're gonna like I'm gonna touch your neck and you're gonna fall to the ground yeah so that stuff has been pretty pretty crushed by not only by MMA but also by the interwebs as a whole has fought against that remember that website I think it's a lot boo boo boshito oh bull's yeah yeah legit because they could go through show everyone that's full crap yeah yeah the bullshito guys they've been

around for a long time too that website's been around for a long time bullshit I think it's bullshito dot com yeah and they show everyone that's that's full of crap right yeah hey if I I settle my chi and aim my chi at you I can knock you out right and people actually paid money for that stuff yeah and it's crazy how the guys who go to debunk it those like I've you see actually more than one where the guys will go to the dojo and be like hey I'm a skeptic you know do your thing to me and knock me and the guy will be like okay and then they'll they'll follow through with it let them film and everything

Joe Rogan and I were talking about that that situation that just happened in China where the Tai Chi guy went against an MMA guy and got obviously got destroyed yeah because it doesn't work yeah and that's nothing new there's no it's nothing And you know what I said on that I mean that kind of stuff is I think those kind of martial arts are supposed to be more like yoga You know it's about stretching it's about movement. It's about proprioception it's it's fine to do that's cool But it's not going to stop somebody from doing a double leg on you It's not going to step somebody from throwing a four punch combination at your head Yeah, yeah, yeah trained guy who holds one arm and just beats you down with you

Yeah, and then and then the other part of this is you get the guys that are out there you know talking about the mental mindset of the special ops and all that and it's like they're trying to sell magic Yeah, yeah same thing same thing the flamboyant this is what you need to do it's like be tougher how's that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, how about you give that one a crack? But they want to sell the the flamboyant what does you say here? Flamboyant showmanship and and you know you can sell the the the the the people's weaknesses right? Oh yeah, like the missusinesses Yeah, the mystique. You can sell the mystique. You can sell the people's weaknesses You know if you owe remember the old he might not be old enough did did you ever read soldier of fortune magazine when you were a kid? No, I know what that is. Yeah, but but when I was a kid you know I was interested in war yeah Yeah, so soldier of fortune if I can get my hands on a copy I read it and there would be things in there you know devastating 14 moves that you learn yeah and you will never lose a street fight

Yeah and people would say yeah you know that's cool. I'm gonna order this this the VHS tape sure it'll have the solutions and you just you know it's not applicable yes generally not applicable now of course if you teach someone some aggressive movements that they're gonna do and they're gonna memorize those movements and then they good do it to a person that doesn't know how to fight yeah and actually they will those movements can be effective I'm gonna punch you in the head 17 times you know you come up to me and say hey you got a problem and then I I punch you in the head 17 times.

Yeah, yeah. With no warning. Like that actually, okay, yeah, it worked. I put the person down and then I ran away. That's great. It works. But it didn't, you know, when somebody came up and squared off to me or we had a real legitimate situation, it's not going to work.

Yeah. Your false sense of security is, isn't going to help you out anymore. I can carry you through. No. So I think it's very interesting that in 1450, you know, yeah, we're dealing with this. No, no, sorry, not 1453. It's 1643.

We're dealing with the same stuff. Human nature doesn't change. That's true. All right. Going back to the book. In regard to the warrior night, that path involves constructing all sorts of weapons and understanding the various properties of weapons. This is imperative for warriors.

Failure to master weaponry and comprehend the specific advantages of each weapon would seem to indicate a lack of cultivation in a member of a warrior house. I will illustrate the science of martial arts by likening it to the way of a carpenter. Now, I think this is important because it's telling you that no matter what your business is, you got to get in the game. You've got to know the various tools of the trade, whether that's the business world, whether that's construction, whether that's no matter what you do. You need to open your mind up.

Don't be scared and study what it is in your craft. And you know, I'd get these guys, these young seal office. officers and they'd be embarrassed that they didn't know something about a radio or they'd be embarrassed that they didn't know something about a sniper weapon And I would just say look When you don't know something you go up to the sniper and you say hey man can you get can you give me a familiarization on that weapon or you go up the radio man and say hey can you teach me how to program this radio? Because I don't know how to do it That's what we're talking about here instead of just ignoring it or pretending or trying to hide from it get out there and ask them and believe me the sniper and the radio men they don't look down on you because you said to them Can you show me how to do this? They look at you and say, oh, cool, he's humble and he wants to learn.

I'm here. Let's make it happen. So now going back to this idea of the carpenter as an example, back to the book, when sorting out timber for building a house, that which is straight, free from knots, and of good appearance can be used for front pillars. That which has some knots but is straight and strong can be used for rear pillars. That which is somewhat weak, it has no knots and looks good, is variously used for door sales, lintels, doors, and screens.

That which is knotted and crooked, but nevertheless strong, is used thoughtfully in consideration of the strength of the various members of the house. Then the house will last a long time. Even knotted, crooked, and weak timber can be made into scaffolding and later used for firewood. Now, what I like about that is, from a leadership perspective, guess what that means? That means you look at your team and you're going to have some strong, squared away looking individuals and squared away acting individuals. They're going to be part of your team. And you're going to have some members of your team that are not so squared away.

They've got some knots in them and they're a little bit crooked. And what you have to do is you have to learn how are you going to use them? Where are you going to put them? They can still, you might have someone that's strong, a little rough around the edges. They're going to be a supporting pillar, not the pillar that you're going to put out front, which is the nice clean cut looking individual who's also sharp. So as a leader, you have to do that. have to get what you can out of all your out of all your pieces of wood I love the idea from a leadership perspective the idea of looking at it as a as being a carpenter

because there's a couple different things not only do you have to learn how to use these different tools of leadership so there's all these different tools that you use in leadership there's all these different ways of communicating with people and and how you interact with people and you have to learn all those different tools but then that you have to learn that you need to use the tools differently on different human beings because they're going to take a different reaction to them and then the different types of human beings actually have individual personalities so it's exactly like woodworking in the fact that

you've got knowledge do you have different types of wood but you also have different types of wood that has individual issues like a piece of birch is a lot different than a piece of Ipe Ipe is hard hard wood I pepe I think it has a burn rating that is higher or the same as concrete think about that I'm not getting you throw I pei in the water it sinks I got a deck made out of I pei it's awesome just it's it's a very hard wood but you can't use you have to use a different tool you have to use the tool differently than you would with a piece of pine which is

very soft and that's the way people are too that's the way human beings are you have to know how to use the tools and then you have to learn how to modulate the tools correctly with each individual piece of lumber. Yeah, you see that all out in like team sports. Like in football, for example, you get a guy he's, he doesn't know how to do anything. You can't teach him. He's, I don't know, whatever, but he has a hard head, you know, and he's just down for the cause. That's it.

It's like, dang, seemingly useless. You put him on special teams. You put him on the kickoff. There you go. And you make him a wedge breaker. There you are. Boom. Best wedge breaker in the game.

Yeah. Get some. Exactly. Back to the book. Speaking in terms of Carbara. Soldiers sharpen their own tools make various useful implements and keep them in their utility boxes Obviously same correlations there back to the book I've written this book in five scrolls entitled earth water fire wind and emptiness And this is the true science cannot be attained just by mastery of swordsmanship alone

So you got to get more And I think it was on the first Tim Ferriss podcast I was on I think he asked me what was the most complicated mission that you did? And I was like hey the missions aren't complicated What's complicated is dealing with human beings That's the hard part of leadership Yeah dealing with shooting a machine gun

I mean there's some skill to it But it's infinitely easier than trying to lead men in combat Yeah Back to the book The way to do battle is the same whether it is a battle between one individual and another or a battle between one army and another You should observe reflectively with overall awareness of the large picture as well as precise attention to small details The large scale is easy to see the small scale is hard to see to be specific it is impossible to reverse the direction of a large group of people all at once

While the small scale is hard to know because in the case of an individual there's just one will involved and changes can be made quickly this should be given careful consideration so you can see a big group when they're trying to turn you can you can you can know and but with this one individual you're not really 100% sure what they're thinking then he talks a lot about this he talks about a lot about the elevation and how you have to step back and look at things from different perspectives and also I'm gonna make this note right now he's got these little lines at the end of so many of his paragraphs like this

This one this should be given careful consideration. He says those kind of things a lot and I'm not gonna do all of them, but I'm definitely gonna give enough to Give the feeling of the book which is very It's very instructional in the way it's talking to you which I dig back to the book on this is interesting back to the book Unless you really understand others you can hardly attain your own self-understanding that's that's the opposite of what we normally think we know I got to know myself myself first and then I can understand other people he's in you got to understand other people and then you then you get to understand yourself and I think that's very useful because we should see ourselves in other people we should look at the people and say I know what they're doing I I do that too yeah back to the book

in the practice of every way of life and every kind of work there's a state of mind called that of the deviant even if you strive diligently on your chosen path day after day if you're heart is not in accord with it then even if you think you're on a good path from the point of view of the straight and true this is not a genuine path if you do not pursue a genuine path to its consummation then a little bit of crookedness in the mind will later turn into a major warp reflect on this right and that's great advice and you know what you know what that makes me think of is when

people ask me which they ask me a lot about joining the military they know I want to I want to join the military I want to go on the seal teams I want to support the country that's awesome but you better make sure that you're doing it because it's a true path to your heart if you're doing it for some other alternative reason it's not it's gonna be a warp that'll show up later now doing four years a four-year hitch in the Marine Corps the army in the Navy in the Air Force it's gonna be good for you and it's not like it's a like permanent lifetime thing and it'll probably teach you

lot but if you're gonna do something you got to remember that you sign that dotted line and you might be going a war yeah and if you have that if you're not doing it for the right reasons you're gonna be you're not gonna be a happy person when you're over in in in the combat zone it's not gonna happen so stay true to your path and make sure that the path that you're on is is something that you really want to do something really want to believe in or something that you really believe in now musashi fought with two swords a longer sword and a short sword that was kind of his trademark and and it's he's I think he's credited with creating that form of fighting and both some other samurai

carried two swords like a primary and a secondary but he used two swords simultaneously which is pretty legit so Back to the book, the real thing is to practice the science wielding both swords, the long sword in one hand, and the short sword in the other. When your life is on the line, you want to make use of all your tools. No warrior should be willing to die with his swords at his side without having made use of his tools. However, when you hold something with both hands, you cannot wield it freely, both right

and left. My purpose is to get you used to wielding the long sword with one hand. So know your tools practice with them here we go the long sword seems heavy and unwieldy to everyone at first But everything is like that when you first take it up a bow is hard to draw a halberd is hard to swing in any case when you become accustomed to each weapon You become stronger at the bow and you acquire the ability to wield the long sword So when you attain the power of the way it becomes easy to handle What's that saying it's saying practice? And it's also saying the same thing that one Uncle Jake told young Mark, hey, you're not going to be good at this at first.

Of course you can't do Pulps. You haven't practiced them. Of course you don't know your time tables. You haven't practiced them. And it's the same thing in any job that you're in. You have to practice it. You're not just born. You're not just born programmed.

You have to program your own mind. Work you have to do. back to the book in my individual school one can win with the long sword and one can win with the short sword as well for this reason the precise size of the long sword is not fixed the way of my school is the spirit of gaining victory by any means and when i like about this he talks about this more and i don't know how much of i hit but he's got an open mind even though he's very direct about what he knows works he's also saying hey look the sword not worried about the length the sword I'm worried about what works and winning and achieving victory by any means necessary That's an open mind in the martial arts of my individual school It is the same for one man as it is for 10,000 as far as paths are concerned and well before I go on past that This is why for me It's very easy to make these correlations because I talk about all the time the the the similarities between Jiu Jitsu which is a one-on-one match against another human being and being on the battlefield and being on the battlefields. I'm

And the things that you're doing are the same. Yeah. The combat principles don't change. You're trying to flank people. You're not trying to attack the hardened targets. You've got to know when to back off. You've got to know when to attack. You've got to seize the moments.

All those things are the same. So Musashi realized this. Obviously. Back to the book. As far as paths are concerned, there are Confucians, Buddhists, T-conosaurs, teachers of etiquette, dancers and so on these things do not exist in the way of warriors but even if they are not your path if you have wide knowledge of the ways you encounter them in everything in any case as human beings it is essential for each of us to cultivate and polish our own

individual and again I get questions about life people want to make decisions about their life and the answer is look go out research but you need to cultivate your own path you need to figure out and you can do that you need to learn and educate and I certainly answer all kinds of questions about that but at the end of the day the person that's signing the dotted line the person that's going to you know drop out of college they can join the military or drop out of their sometimes I'll get hey

you know I want to start I want to leave this job to start my own business right those are the kind of things they're big decisions and you got to you got to make that I can't be responsible for that decision yeah that I can give you some perspective and my perspective is you know for those you got to know if you're going to join the military you better know that that's truly what you want to do

for leaving your job that you don't like anymore because you want to start Something new set things up set up an exit strategy plan for it suck up the job that you don't like while you're saving money while you're getting a a landing place ready and then slowly you know make your transition when it when the time is right Don't just get frustrated one day quit yeah and then you're sitting there with no income no way to get anything started Then you're desperate yeah and when you're desperate things aren't gonna go well it's not good to be desperate yeah and you hear that that romantic story where you know this guy did that you know he was tired of his job so he just up and quit and then he got desperate and he bounced back and all this stuff yeah and what's that

bias that you get where the only people that you hear about are the ones that actually pulled it off availability yeah availability bias so that's what happens we only hear about this guy right that quit his job and started this thing in his garage and now he's a billionaire yeah yeah Cool, but there's a lot of people that never made it out the garage Still there. They ended up at you know a job they didn't want even worse Yeah or went back the next week begging for their job back and they got a small demotion and you know Whatever the book in distinguishing the advantages of the tools of warriors We find that whatever the weapon

There is a time and a situation in which is it is appropriate Absolutely listen to this you should not have any special fondness for a particular weapon or anything else for that matter too much is the same as not enough to entertain likes and dislikes is bad for both commanders and soldiers pragmatic thinking is essential i mean just just insert that open your brain and put that in there so often we get the little likes and dislikes you know what we're you know what a pet peeve of mine is what the word pet peeve that that bothers yeah and there's nothing you know I I saw Charlie Plum last this past week yeah yeah and I was telling him about that one of the biggest things that I took away from

sitting and talking to him was that whole idea that if you do something that annoys me it's my fault yeah it's my fault for being annoyed no it's my fault for being annoyed and I need to get fixed yeah so if I have a pet peeve that echo flittles his pen around that's not your fault that's my fault I need to get over it yeah as long as the pen's not clicking it's clicking then it's our problem right that's but but that's so important and and to to think about this we do we have and we have we we we like things and you know what we generally like what we're good at yeah right think about jihitsu yeah what do I what am I'm so guilty of this I'm like um I submitted 14 people

Today come here come here come here come here all of them yeah right or guitin gie t right I don't open my brain up enough yeah guard past one side only yeah guard pass one side only yeah that's that we I got to break that yeah I got to get more I got to get less fondness for particular weapons that's such good it's because almost because it's so hard that's such good advice you know I mean think about everything even like you know you probably have your favorite gun you have your favorite everything really I prefer the I prefer ghi I refer gie I for no key I prefer this gun I prefer that you know yeah hang got to be careful of that

yeah pragmatic thinking is essential now here we go back to the book rhythm is something that exists in everything but the rhythms of martial arts in particular are difficult to master without practice harmony and disharmony and rhythm occur in every walk of life it is imperative to distinguish carefully between the rhythms of Flourishing and the rhythms of decline in every single thing the way to win in a battle according to military science is to know the rhythms of specific Of the specific opponents and use rhythms that your opponents do not expect producing formless rhythms From rhythms of wisdom And this is just so classic and you think about on the battlefield

This is what maneuver warfare is right this is tempo they talk about it in terms of tempo when Brian Stan was on he's talking about maintaining that tempo and then what you need to do is you need to maintain the faster tempo then your enemy can maintain and when you can maintain that tempo or you disrupt the tempo or you disrupt their tempo that's how you're gonna achieve victory obviously it's the same thing in Jiu-jitsu I'm keeping you know I'm pressing one side pressing one side boom I disrupt I go the other side but I just passed your guard yeah I break your tempo and even in basketball or Soco that

soccer that change your pace you know you come down the field going at a certain speed then you speed up slow down and you change that tempo that's how you that's how you pass you know boxing to you know the whole whole idea of a counterpunch is that yeah what it's hollow solo Rebaro has this really famous saying he said it's about being late you know so like if someone basically out tempos you are out or disrupts your pattern and then now you have to catch up right when you're late He says when you're late you muscle when you muscle you're you tire and when you tire You die I might have missed one but I think that's it those those are those are pretty straightforward

Yeah, I don't know what you would have missed because that's true when you when you get someone off tempo It's when someone has me off tempo Because you know you're chasing them yeah trying to hang on and things are happening and you don't know it Yeah, and if he did any if he does that thing where he keeps the pace and you and you man he just it's like he's pulling ahead pulling the head pulling the head until you're like until you die yeah here we go just straight breaking it down right here back to the book for people who want to learn my military science there are rules for learning the art one think of what is right and true to practice and cultivate the science three become acquainted with the arts four know the principles of

the crafts five understand the harm and benefit in everything six learn to see everything accurately seven become aware of what is not obvious eight be careful even in small matters nine do not do anything useless if we could if everyone could just do nine not do anything useless yeah think about that about how powerful that is what I think How much useless stuff that we do and it's useless. It's not helping us. Yeah, that's what we were talking about I don't know, maybe last time in time a few weeks ago about distraction. That's really what it is Distraction. Just useless. But stop those. The other the other a couple of these

Understand the harm and benefit of everything learned to see everything accurately become aware of not What is not obvious those to me are all about detachment You've got to be old to detach from what's going on to be able to see things accurately You've got to be able to detach to be able to be able to detach to be able to be able to see the harm and benefit in things you've got to be able to detach to be able to see what's not obvious and the more caught up you are in your head or in the chaos in the situation the more you're gonna miss those important factors right there back to the book first of all keep martial arts on your mind and work diligently

in a straightforward manner then you can win with your hands and you can defeat people by seeing with your eyes furthermore when you refine your practice to the point where you can attain freedom of the whole body, then you can overcome people by means of your body. And since your mind is trained in this science, you can also overcome people by means of mind. When you reach this point, how could you be defeated by others? So he's talking about you need to refine your practice to the point where you get freedom. I think I might have said something along those lines, right? Discipline Freedom all day long all day long refine your practice until you attain freedom think

about that practice until you get free yeah you don't just expect freedom you you don't get freedom by acting free no you get freedom by discipline yeah so like jujitsu for example right you know how when you're a white belt brand new they teach you the move here's the move here's step one step two step three you practice that enough times along with all the other moves now you're just jumping in there and flying the moves are flying You know just going on almost automatically You know you're just free to do whatever move at whatever time you want It's the exact same thing on the battlefield

Yeah, you drill drills and you become your team your platoon your squad become so fluid with them That they can adapt and they can change them because that's what we're really talking about They have the freedom to move they have the free they know the rules so Intuitively that they become just part of the way they act as humans It's like when you have you ever been showing a move in jiu jiu jitza or someone's been showing a move on you right like let's say you're gonna you're gonna show the the the the guillotine on me and so you you pull me over and you you you shuck me down and as you shuck me down I counter it like not in not it not on purpose because I know just trying to show the move yeah I like

automatically like turn my head grab your arm and I'm just like oh I can't do that right now I can't counter the move but that that's not my that's not my brain doing that yeah that's pure instinct right pure instinct it's almost like you have to consciously not do it you have to consciously not do it and then after you constantly not do it five times the example you got to like drill it three more times just to make sure you're good to go here we go back to the book it is by no means possible for me to write down this science precisely as I understand it in my heart so what that means to me is what I talk about a lot is

that we look at different sources for the same information we want to know about human nature we want to know about leadership we want to know about war no one has the ability to just get it right. So that's why we come at it from different angles. That's what we do. Just like in Jiu-Jitsu, when you learn an arm lock from Jeff Glover and you learn an arm-lock from Dean Lister, they're going to get, you know,

Jeff Glover will give you 82 points of performance. Dean Lister will give you 82 points of performance. 73 of them are overlapping. But there's some nine that are a little bit different. And that's the that's where you make up and someone's gonna work you know some of Glover's stuff gonna work a little bit better for me than it is for you but then some of Dean's Stuff's gonna work better for you and than me but then some of those we're actually gonna combine what both of them say and we're gonna end up instead of 82 points performance We're gonna end up with a hundred and sixteen and now our arm locks a little bit better

Yeah, this is deep yeah so here we go pay attention the science of martial arts is not just a matter of reading these or writings taking what is written here personally do not think you are reading or learning and do not make up an imitation taking the principles as if they were discovered from your own mind identify with them constantly and work on them carefully this is so critical and it's like I say on the podcast for a while at the end of the podcast I was saying don't just listen Yeah, do because just listening doesn't help you Mm-hmm you have to go more than listen he's saying you have to do more than just read and it's interesting

You know we get people that are Really into either podcast that read the book and I talked to him you know we have clients that brought us on To help their company and they love Extreme ownership and they are they feel like their first fully on board and understand the principles and all that and then you get in there and you start talking to them about what they're doing and they're missing them yeah and it's because they don't detach they look they're looking out at everyone else they're not they're not looking at themselves and and it's it's hard because they read them right they listen yeah they know what to do they know

what they got to do it yeah so that's hard that's detachment comes becomes important there to detach from yourself and actually think about what you're doing is very hard and without doing just that you'll be successful and I like how he says you take these ideas and make them like as if they were discovered in your own brain how do you apply them to your life that's one of the things that's so good about the muster is because with the interaction it's it can be hard for people to birth these ideas from their own mind like to take the seed that comes from extreme ownership or from the podcast to take that seed and and and plant it and have it grow it can be hard to do that

They they look at the seed they hold the seed as sacred Yeah, right but they're not putting it in there and letting it grow and watering it when you come to the muster What's cool about it is you're you get you get to ask the question and say hey what's going on with this explain this to me And then we get to give our perspective and now we make a connection now that seed gets a little little water on it little fertilizer and starts to grow and and and and Also, you get pulled out of your own head because when you hear three other people's questions That are similar to what you're doing and then but again you can't just listen to someone else's question You go oh, I see the answer to that you have to say wait a second

What how does that answer apply to me? It's a big deal Yep Back to the book in the science of martial arts the state of oh man this is Here we go in the science of martial arts the state of mind should remain the same as normal in ordinary circumstances as well as when practicing martial arts let there be no change at all with the mind open and direct neither tense nor lacks centering the mind so that there is no imbalance calmly relax your mind and savor this moment of ease

thoroughly so that the relaxation does not stop its relaxation even for an instant. So you want to remain calm. So I used to, I'm going to put myself on report here. So I used to play this game with my kids. Sure. I would take the inside of wrapping paper. You get that sword. It's like a cardboard sword.

It's like a cardboard tube. It's like a giant toilet tissue tube, right? And I used to play this game with my kids. It was called normal face and I would line them up and you had to keep your face totally normal no expression Not a smile not a laugh if you weren't didn't have a normal face you'll get cracked with the tube And so my kids would line up and they would just get the most blank expression on their face And I would you know I'd do something to try and make them laugh or try and make them Startle get scared what's that what's that word when you flinch? I try and make them flinch like I might swing out of me and they flinch

And now you just aren't even if you flinched even if you flage Like I was gonna crack you right and now you flinched now you get a crack you get it You get it was it was a lot of fun because the kids because once you crack you know one kid then the other two kids laugh crack Right we would line them up yeah yeah it's good but my goal in that besides have fun with the family you know because head trauma and all that can be very fun for the family just kidding There's no head trauma happening but it was fun to play and the kids would laugh but also get them to control their emotions right and you get them to not be so readable to everyone Get them to control their emotions get them to relax So you got to play normal face with your kids sometimes It's good Jocco's version

It's good holiday fun When you when you see a kid in a frustrating situation and they've got normal face You know you're impressed right? Yeah, yeah, it's good Even when you see an adult in that situation You see some pressure going on and they got the normal face Just looking at them. Yeah, like okay Oh, you're you're screaming and yelling cool normal face over here. Yeah, who do you guys want to follow? Normal face?

guy or freak out guy over there no no not freak out guy so yeah child services you know you can come and get me but that's what those two things are kind of for yeah in a way of course they're made to crack your kids in the head with them and have fun some kind of cracking device yeah yeah well they're just so perfect yeah no you know what's more perfect than them is you can get the foam you can get the foam that you use them to cover hot pipes in your house yeah and it's just little foam tubes those things are the best because you I could literally hit you as hard as I possibly could and it doesn't even hurt at all but it makes a cool noise I used to make swords with those things I just put a little PVC pipe at the end of it but not the whole thing because that PVC is like yeah yeah

that's that's not kind of painful that's that's injuries yes but you just put enough of that so you have a So just the hand and then you have this little p the that foam and you could my wife the first time she saw us doing it My wife freaked out I'm in there. I'm wailing on my kids because you're doing full Barbarian like overhead smashes with these swords as hard as you possibly can and it doesn't hurt at all At all those are good too because it does make a little crack noise Yeah, yeah they're for the effect. Yeah, kind of flimsy though No, that's the thing. They're surprisingly, they're not flimsy.

They're surprisingly rigid. That's why they're so effective for the normal face game. That's as normal face advanced. You know, because you don't have that many wrapping paper tubes. So I'm like, okay, we need an alternate here. We need an alternative. We need to keep this going. Yeah, go to the basement.

Yeah. Get those pipe covers. Not with the Home Depot and bought them. I was doing a project at my house and then I had that left over. And, of course, I'm looking at it, tube. I'm thinking sword. I'm thinking normal face let's get it on And I've discovered a perfect a perfect play weapon

There you go boom Back to the book once you have sharpened your intellect to the point where you can see whatever in the world is true or not Where you can tell whatever is good or bad and when you are experienced in various fields and are capable of being fooled Are incapable of being fooled at all by people of the world then your mind will be coming imbued with the knowledge and wisdom of the art of war isn't that interesting you hear about how you get infused with the knowledge of the art of war it's by understanding people that's how you get there that's how you get there back to the book there is something special about the knowledge of the art of war it is imperative

to master the principles of the art of war and learn to be unmoved in mind even in the heat of battle. Moufface. Generally speaking, it is essential to make your ordinary bearing the bearing you use in martial arts and make the bearing you use in

martial arts your ordinary bearing. This should be given careful consideration. So, you're normal. You should be normal all the time. That's how you should be. Whether you're fighting, whether you're in combat, or whether you're at dinner.

Keep it. ordinary keep it normal he's talking here about the focus of the eyes a specialty of martial arts is to see that which is far away closely and to see that which is nearby from a distance you got to have that perspective that's why you don't get drawn into like when you're when your platoon's got a mission you don't get in the planning with them because then you you'll be so close that you can't see what it looks like from far away in martial arts it is important to be aware of of opponents swords and yet not look at the opponent's swords at all this takes work

this matter of focusing the eyes is the same in both small and large-scale military science it is essential to see both sides without moving the eyeballs so you got to work that peripheral vision again officer candidate school you can't look at your food we didn't know why they made us do that we thought it was just torture You can't look at your food while you're eating. You've got to look straight ahead. So why would they make you do that? So you improve your peripheral vision.

You cannot look at your food. Try it sometime. Yeah. You have to develop your peripheral vision. And this idea of both large and small scale military science being able to see that which is far away closely and that which is close from a distance. That's detachment. You're embroiled in that thing that's close to you. You've got to detach.

from it so you can see what it looks like and the thing that's far away you got to get into it you ever hear two people debating or something not professional debaters or nothing but they're arguing a point you know one guy's point versus the other guy's point and with debate a lot of time comes interruption you know like you're saying so and I interrupt you right and then every once in a while you'll notice one person say hey can I finish you know you keep interrupting me and then another guy might say well I'm just saying you get and slowly that deep debate of the two important issues escalates put pushed to the side actually and the debate becomes whether or not they

justified or just of justifiably interrupted the other person so it's now about the interruption that's like you know you say don't focus in on these little details that come come about in a in a big situation yeah well what's really crazy is they have news programs I'll see like a clip of a news program and it's basically three or four panelists all talking at the same time yeah it's the most ridiculous thing ever That's another thing. I think it was Joe Rogan was saying you know we were talking about podcasts themselves Yeah, he was saying the news people need to learn from podcasts Yeah, that you don't need to have people on for four minutes three people four people five person panel

They're all talking at the same time. They're all looking to get that big zinger You know point across that they pre-planned and then they try and drop it just garbage It's just garbage Listen to a two and a half hour podcast about a subject so you can hear people's actual knowledgeable and thoughtful comments about it. That to me makes a lot more sense. Yeah. Even on those four minute deals where there's four or five people in there, even if they don't

interrupt each other or talk over each other, like one person can talk for what? A minute about some complex thing. I've done, you know, I've done a decent amount of television interviews. And it's even when you're in it, it's even shorter than it's. seems like when you're watching it because you know you have you just have to say whatever it is you're going to say it's got to say it in one maybe two maybe three sentences yeah yeah and that's how they get you to like if there's let's say if it's like a cited issue you know you say the one and there's so many details and nuance to it you know but man I got to get my my core

point across meanwhile there's all this nuance yeah do you think that the news companies are doing that because people's attention spans have gotten so short that that's They just think that's the best way we can do this is just put on hey we put them on there for four minutes if someone doesn't like this subject I'll got someone else coming on and you know in four minutes later after the commercial break Yeah, maybe I think it a lot of time has to do just the show is just a certain but I think I think that is what they're trying to do I think they know attention spans are short but I also think that attention spans have been so Coddled now that people actually want the long format that's why I think podcasts as in general Yeah, are doing really well because people don't be.

want to get engaged and listen to an actual opinion yeah or or not even an opinion but facts or yeah it's an opinion or facts they want to listen to a full thought right a full a fully encompassed thought about something yeah not one-liner zinger hey I got you yeah boring can't I can't watch it anymore yeah sometimes when you're watching surfing sure you want to see a guy shred You know for a second or two or whatever but sometimes you just want to sit back and watch the waves That's true I guess. Yeah, all day. Well, it is true that you if you watch a surf movie a real of the better surf movies They have you know they show the guys in the morning. They're getting in the car

You're kind of with them right as opposed to just boom it hits you You know hit the lip hit the lip hit the lip hit the left get barrel get barrel get barrel Exactly like those are those are cool you know but but what do you if you want to I and I think a lot of people They want to sit down. They want to see these guys shaping boards. Sure. You know morning of the earth. They're shaping boards. They're You're shaping boards. And then they're going out and surfing the board that they shaped in the morning. They shape it. Glass and go out and surf it. Come back. Adjust the fin. Make a little let's shave the thin down. That's that's pretty cool to watch. Is it cool to watch people do 360s and 540s? Yeah, that's cool. But I want something a little bit more developed. Yep. That's actually the key right there. Something developed.

You know, you can't, just like you can't watch a shape, someone doing the same shape for a long time. You want to see the full developed thoughts? Like how you put it. Yes. You watch North Shore? Ever watched that show? Yeah, you watched that show. Was that a TV show?

No. It was a movie. Okay, it was a movie. Then there was a TV show. This is about the Arizona surfer. Yeah, yeah. He was a surf tank or whatever. Yeah, Arizona wins.

Rickane. Goes to North Shore, Oahu. Hawaii. You know learns to surf all over again technically you know big ways the culture all this stuff You know not as accurate as maybe it could have been but a fun watch nonetheless We'll have to skew that one up I think my son watches that from they get all the funny lines out of it Yeah man turtle dope I'll take your word for it on that one

All right back to the book in wielding the long sword. Oh, this is good in wielding the long sword the thumb and forefinger grip Lightly the middle finger grips neither tightly nor loosely while the fourth and little fingers grip tightly there should be no slackness in the hand the long sword should be taken up with the thought that it is something for killing opponents let there be no change in your grip even when slashing opponents make your grip such that your hand does not flinch when you strike an opponent's sword, block it or pin it down, your thumb and forefinger alone should change somewhat, but in any case, you should grip your sword with the thought of killing. Your grip when cutting something to test your blade, and your grip when slashing in combat

should be no different. Gripping the sword as you would to kill a man. generally speaking fixation and binding are to be avoided in both the sword and the hand fixation is the way to death Fluidity is the way to life This is something that should be well understood So not only you have normal face and normal bearing your grip has got to remain the same no matter what you train how you fight You're just maintaining the same grip and then this idea of fixing and binding and being stationary and stagnant is the way to death And being fluid and open in the mind and in the way you present and the way you fight

that's the way to life. You know, like, Tim Kennedy mentioned dry fire. Yeah. It's kind of the same deal, right? So it's like you're pulling the trigger the same way or whether or not there's going to be, you know, recoil or not.

Yeah. The same way. And actually, when you're shooting, they'll do this when they're training us to shoot, they'll put a dummy round in our magazine. That's not. And so then they can see if you made some reaction predicting or awaiting the kick.

of the gun Yeah, that's what throws your rounds off. So they'll put a dummy round in there and they'll be watching you click, click, click, click, or boom, boom, boom, boom, and then click you jerk your trigger and everyone knows that you just made a mistake and they can see it. Man, that's hard. Yeah, it is. It is.

Get good at that. But you get good at that one. Nope. Now this is interesting. He goes through what he calls the five kinds of guard and I looked at this guard is basically the way you kind of position yourself. And he talks about the. different types of guard that there are the first technique the the second the third the fourth the fifth these are the different techniques and they're all different positions that you hold the sword

and where you prepare for your attack and when he gets to the philosophical part of it though on the teaching of having a position without a position having a position without a position or a guard without a guard means that the long sword is not supposed to be kept in a fixed position Nevertheless, since there are five ways of placing the sword, the guard positions must follow along. Where you hold your sword depends on your relationship to the opponent, depends on the place, and must conform to the situation. Wherever you hold it, the idea is to hold it so that it will be easy to kill the opponent. Sometimes the upper guard position is lowered a bit so that it may becomes the middle position. While the middle guard position may be elevated a bit.

depending on the advantage thereof so that it becomes the upper position at times the lower guard position is also raised a bit to become the middle position the two the two sided guard positions may be moved somewhat toward the center depending on where you are standing vis-a-vis your opponent resulting in either the middle or the lower guard position in this way the principle is to have a guard position without a position. First of all, when you take up the sword, in any case, the idea is to kill the opponent.

Even though you may catch, hit, or block an opponent slashing sword, or tie it up, or obstruct it, all of these moves are opportunities for cutting down the opponent. So he's not trapped in this rigid mindset that this is what I have to do. He's open-minded, he's flexible.

Now here we go. This must be understood If you think of catching Think of hitting think of blocking think of tying think of tying up or think of obstructing You will thereby become unable to make the kill It is crucial to think of everything as an opportunity to kill This should be given careful consideration So he's saying if you're if you're thinking defensively

That's what you're thinking about When you actually need to be thinking about being offensive even when you're defending you need to be thinking about being offensive Back to the book in large-scale military science the array of troops the arraying of troops is also a matter of positioning Every instance thereof is an opportunity to win in war Fixation is bad this should be worked out thoroughly Striking down an opponent in a single beat among the rhythms used to strike an opponent there is what is called a single beat finding a position where you can reach the opponent realizing when the opponent has not yet determined what to do you strike directly as fast as possible

without moving your body or fixing your attention the stroke with which you strike an opponent before he has thought of whether to pull back Perry or strike is called a single beat so that's you you can see that the opponent's not quite prepared they're kind of indecisive you can see it boom be decisive make something happen go for the kill the rhythm of the second spring the rhythm of the second spring is when you're about to strike and the opponent quickly pulls back or parries you faint a blow and then strike the opponent as he relaxes after tensing this is the stroke of the second spring so again we see these all the time and in jiu jitsu

we see it in everything the sticky body means getting inside and sticking fast to an opponent when you get inside the opponent's defenses you stick tight with your head body and legs the average person's the average person gets his head and legs in quickly but the body shrinks back sticking to an opponent means that you stick so close that there are no gaps between your bodies this should be investigated carefully and what's really interesting about this and of course these are both two different languages being translated but when the cheshions fought the russians in cheshenia one of the things that the cheshans did was they called it this This sticky they stuck to the Russians so the Russians had air support the Russians had artillery and

The only way to negate that or mitigate it for the Cheshins was to get so close to the Russians that they couldn't use their own superior air power Yeah, and it's the same thing with Jiu Jitza. I mean obviously our grappler is gonna get close so that they can avoid the strikes of a of a striker Yeah doesn't matter a stand against many opponents discerning the order in which opponents attack deal with those who press forward first First, keeping an eye on the whole picture, determining the stands from which opponents launched their attack, swinging both swords at the same time without mutual interference. It is wrong to wait. Prioritize and execute. You have multiple people coming after you or you're being attacked on multiple fronts.

You need to prioritize and execute. Advantage in dueling means understanding how to win using the long sword according to the laws of martial arts. This cannot be written down in detail one must realize how to win by practice Study carefully So again, you're not gonna get it just by reading you're not gonna get it just by listening you gotta do it you gotta practice it Thinking unhurriedly Understanding that it is the duty of warriors to practice this science determine that today you will overcome yourself

of the day before Tomorrow you will win over those of lesser skill and later you will win over those of greater skill Practice this is something that requires thorough examination With a thousand days of practice for training and 10,000 days of practice for refinement Get it on as far as my military science is concerned. I have discerned the principles of living and dying through numerous duels in which I set my life on the line learning the science of the sword getting to know the strength and weaknesses of opponents sword blows comprehending the uses of blade and ridge of the sword and practicing how to kill opponents in the course of doing this little sissy things never even occurred to me especially when one is in full combat gear one does not think of small things I thought that might be worth noting

Yes, don't be thinking about the little sissy things now he's talking about here the physical situation meaning what's going on in discerning the lay of the physical situation there is what is known as positioning yourself with the sun at your back this also applies indoors so general ideas you want to make sure that you put the sun behind you so that it's hard to see you now what you have to be careful is today live real military scenarios you got to be careful that you're not silhouetted yourself so at night time you get on a ridge line or you get light behind you can be easier to see you unless it's a bright blinding light and then it becomes

efficient so there's a big difference between a bright blinding light and silhouetting yourself so be careful of that back to the book in order to look down on the enemy understand that you should take your stand on the highest ground even if it's only slightly elevated take the high ground or the high ground's gonna take you 1643 same same thing that I was teaching in 2009 take the high ground when you get opponents to an obstacle in order to prevent them from observing the situation press your attack without let up so they cannot look around again you get someone on the ropes got to get them you know what I'm saying when they're on

the ropes when they're starting to fade a little bit you're probably starting to fade a little bit too right think about it if you and I are in a grappling match we're going hard when I see you getting tired I'm probably getting tired too not time for me to rest just a lot of people they see you get a little bit tired I say cool I can take a little breather now yeah really Wrong answer. Less of my effort now. Yeah.

Wrong answer. Yeah. Requires more effort. Yeah. I'm going to finish you off. I'm going to get the kill. Yep. When you want to attack, you remain calm and quiet.

Then get the jump on your opponent by attacking suddenly and quickly. You can preempt by being outwardly powerful and swift while inwardly leaving reserves. You can also get the jump by stealing your mind to the utmost, accelerating your pace a bit, and making a violent attack the instant you get up close to the opponent. In case the opponent attacks swiftly, you attack calmly yet powerfully. When the opponent gets close, tighten your bearing with absolute resolve, and when the opponent shows signs of slacking, overcome him with force immediately. Then again, when an opponent attacks calmly and quietly, accelerate your own attack slightly, with your body lightly buoyant.

When the opponent gets close, clash once, and then adapting to his condition, overcome him forcefully so this is what these are and the what's important about these is that understanding what's happening before you enter the situation so let me give you an example does you hear this all the time in MMA there's certain MMA fighters that come out of the gate blazing and you hear all the time oh this guy he knows he's got to weather the storm yeah so that's exactly what oh you're gonna attack me I'm gonna You're going going all out going crazy getting nuts even yeah and what am I doing I'm just gonna remain calm

Just gonna take the hits I'm gonna defend I'm gonna let you and I'm gonna do it with the resolve just gonna be Calm normal face boom we're good and then you're gonna wear yourself out and then I'm gonna attack Yeah as opposed to if you come out you're all nonchalant I might I might come at you hard to overcome you while you're not Mentally prepared for the chaos I'm up to bring to you yeah and hold that you can't weather the storm right right whenever opponents try and attack you Let them go ahead and do anything that is useless while preventing them from doing anything that is useful This is essential to military science that doesn't even need explanation

Except for the fact that you see people all the time That the enemies do or the competitors doing something that they don't like it bothers them So they make effort to stop it And they're just wasting their effort yeah, you should actually be encouraging people to their resources and time yeah knowing the state of affairs in a large-scale military science knowing the state of affairs means discerning the flourishing and declining of opponents discerning the intentions of adversary troops and perceiving their condition clearly seeing the state of affairs determining how to deploy your own troops

so as to gain certain victory by the principles of military science and doing battle with the knowledge of what lies ahead also in individual martial arts You determine your opponent's traditions Observe the personal character of adversaries Find out people's strengths and weaknesses maneuver in ways contrary to opponents expectations Determine opponents highs and lows Ascertain rhythms in between make the first move

This is essential So that's leadership right there dealing with other people Know their character Back to the book if your own power of insight is strong The state of affairs of everything will be be visible to you once you have attained complete independent mastery of martial arts you'll be able to figure out the minds of opponents and thus find many ways to win this demands work know what's happening you know I like the fact that he's talking

about understanding your opponent's traditions understanding their cultures what he's talking about you've got to understand what your opponent's culture is and an individual level and on a social level all of it. Disintegration is something that happens to everything. When a house crumbles, a person crumbles, or an adversary crumbles, they fall apart by getting out of rhythm with the times. In large-scale military science, it is also essential to find the rhythm of opponents as they come apart and pursue them so as to not let openings slip by. If you miss the timing of vulnerable moments there is a likelihood of counter attack in individual martial arts it also happens

that an adversary will get out of rhythm and combat and start to fall apart if you let such a chance get by you the adversary will recover and thwart you it is essential to follow up firmly on any loss of poise on the part of an opponent to prevent him from recovering again you see this in MMA all the time get that guy on the ropes get that guy dazed you got to get on him finish him and you and you And that's how tired people get in MMA. You'll see somebody really, really rocked and losing their bearings. And the other guy won't even be able to pursue him because he's tired or overly cautious.

And then, you know what else you get? You get the guy that goes nuts and gasses himself out, trying to finish a guy so hard. And the guy just hangs on, ties him up, whatever. And then all of a sudden the table's turn. Yeah. And that, typically what that is when they punch themselves out, is what they call it, when they get too excited. Like they don't maintain the normal face. They don't maintain normal face.

Yeah. And there's, and apparently, you know, I'm listening to this and there is a difference between normal face and then being aggressive, you know, in attacks, you know, like being offensive or whatever. So, and that's a good. Well, you can have normal face while you're being aggressive. Yeah, that's what I mean. Being aggressive doesn't mean you're getting all, you're losing your composure. Right. You're aggressively attacking while maintaining composure.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so a lot of times in MMA where you see a guy, you know, boom, you got the other guy on the ropes and he maintains, you can, you know, a guy getting too excited, you know, he risks punching himself out if he doesn't connect or if he, you know, if the guy just does a good job. Or he can even get, occasionally the guy gets just super sloppy and gets caught. Exactly right, because the guy's out of desperation or, you know, you ever seen that one? It was Scott. I think the guy's name is Scott. No, who was it? Tim Lytle maybe

Anyway Anyway I forget So he gets hit In the liver I think And it buckles him And he's You can tell all the fights over for this guy And the other guy comes running in

Haymaker style You know like sloppy but Super aggressive And he sneaks one in As the guy's got knocks him out And it looked like the fight was over for that guy He lost his composure Yeah

He didn't maintain normal face Nope not at all He was way too excited and he got sloppy. He got excited face. Yes, exactly. Back to the book. Becoming the opponent means you should put yourself in an opponent's place and think from the opponent's point of view. Clearly.

Letting go four hands is when you and an opponent are in a deadlock and no progress is being made in the fight. It means that when you think you are going to get into a deadlock, you stop right away and sees Victor, by taking advantage of a different approach in large-scale military science as well if there is total deadlock and no progress is being made there will be a loss of personnel is essential to stop right away and seize victory by taking advantage of a tactic unsuspected by the enemy in individual martial arts also if you think you are getting into a deadlock then it is essential to immediately change your approach ascertains the opponent's state and determine how to win by

means of a very different tactic This is something you see a lot in you see that in everything in everything you see it in war You see it in jiu-jitsu you see it in fighting you see it in business People they get to a position and there's some comfort There's some level of comfort if you and I lock up and you're my half guard and you're not really going anywhere and I'm and and I'm not going anywhere You're not going anywhere. There's a level of comfort there. Yeah, like why should I take risk doing something else? Right and so we we don't mind being deadlocked now. What's important about this is he's saying as soon as you sense it that's got to be the hard part as soon as you sense there's a deadlock That's when you should make the change because the longer I wait

The longer the more settled it becomes and the harder it is to break out of that deadlock Yeah movement is so critical mental physical movement is so critical that's why when something is going bad Like let's say you're in a public place and something's going bad a A terrorist comes in and starts screaming shooting the you You move immediately. Your instinct has got to be to move immediately. What you don't want to do is freeze, stop, hold, which is a very human instinct. Right?

It's a very human instinct to freeze and just take cover. Now, there's shooting going on, depending on the kind of shooting. If there's heavy machine gun fire, bab, blah, blah, blah, blah, like that, yes, you have to get down because there's bullets flying all over the place. If the bullets are slowly going, bop, bop, bop, that means someone's taking aim and shooting. So if you stay still, you're gonna get shot. If you hear that steady pace, you go. You go, you zigzag, you take cover, then you bound to another position,

you move as fast as you can. That quick movement, before the deadlock settles in, is when you wanna do it. When someone's about to, in a situation, like a physical confrontation, don't let it get there. Make a move before it gets there. Which, you know, hopefully means you leave. Walk away you know before the guy bows up to you and starts getting in your face you're already gone didn't even let it get there

Because now we're going to a situation where it's we're gonna have to make something happen Yeah, and that's not good right? It's not gonna be good sure. Oh yeah, I kicked this I kicked this guy's ass out in the street That's cool and what's the other 14 alternatives? You got stabbed you got arrested You got you broke his neck you're in prison. There's all kinds of bad ones Yeah, there's like one good out of 14 which is hey, I put the guy to sleep and even that one one What are you getting out of that? He bled on you. Yeah.

And we don't know what kind of disease this guy has. Yeah. You know, we've talked about that before. But the bottom line is try and be aware of when things are about to get stagnant. And if you can change them then, do it then. Yeah. It's so ultimately it comes down to being ready. Yeah.

Yeah. And not even necessarily ready for anything specific. It just, you know, when you get caught off guard, it's like, oh, oh, you got to, your mind has to explore all these options. It takes all this time, you know. If you would have just been aware, awareness goes so far. Like I did that video on real martial arts. And, you know, I started off by saying, hey, the best form of self-defense is the gun. Because think about it.

If you have somebody that truly is in a high-threat area, you know, you take a woman or an older person that doesn't have great physical strength and they're in a high-threat area. To tell them that you know learning Jiu-jitsu is going to be the best thing for them Yeah is wrong right the best thing for them is to in high threat area is to have a weapon a a A gun that is the best thing to have that truly will neutralize targets So but that but what I didn't mention in that video which I should have is yes The first thing is mental awareness the first thing is like oh yeah, I'm I'm aware of what's happening I'm aware that I'm going into a high threat area I'm gonna go to another area. I'm gonna drive around that area. That's the oh, I see bad things going on on my side of the street. I'm gonna walk across the street and avoid it Yeah early enough that I don't look like a victim because if you see if if a perpetrator sees you or a predator sees that you're avoiding them

Then they think oh that's the person scared there's a target for me. Yeah, it's weak. Yeah, they're weak But that's why you got to be aware. So yes, you're 100% right and when you walk into a building you walk into a public place You should be looking around where the exits where is their cover how fast? How fast? Can I get out of here? Yeah, that's what you should be doing and and if you have that predetermined that it's not even like it takes that much effort You just have to do it. Yeah, you have to say oh, I'm going into a high school graduation And I'm gonna sit in a spot where I'm close to the exit in case somebody goes crazy Because when is someone gonna go crazy? We don't know Yeah, but they do and so if you're close to the exit you can get out of there quickly

Or you can at least flank the perpetrator yeah and get rounds on them and before anything really bad happens. Yeah. And you just compare that to the alternative of not knowing. Right. Or, you know, you go in and you go, oh, this is a good seat. I'm able to see the graduation from this middle spot that has no covering concealment anywhere around it.

And when something goes sideways, I'm going to be one of the persons trapped in the mob trying to get out of this two doors while someone's shooting a machine gun. Not good. So be aware of your surroundings is number one. And then when you see that thing happening, act quickly. You know, you see something shady going on, move towards that exit.

Movement is so key. And being mentally prepared to make the movement, having that be a quick reaction instead of a delayed reaction, and planning your situation so that you're in a spot where you can move quickly is critical. In large-scale military science, when you cannot discern the enemy state, you pretend to make a powerful attack and see what they do. That's pretty cool, right? If I don't know what the person is not doing anything, I can't tell what they're going to do. Make a little attack on them see how to you have see how they react to it and in Jiu Jitsu by the way It's got to be a real attack yeah you can't fake an attack in Jiu Jitsu unless the person's weak

You have I mean like not trained yeah nervous or so yeah you you need to give them a real attack Yeah if I say oh I'm gonna pretend to sweep echo so I can expose his arm If I pretend to sweep you you won't even defend it you don't have to it's pretend Yeah, you don't have to defend against pretend things I've actually got to try and sweep you that will expose your arm because you have to defend the sweep so your attacks I don't I don't like to use the word pretend there because if you're pretending well even if even on the battlefield I'm not gonna pretend to flank you I'm gonna flank you yeah I'm gonna flank you and if you don't defend it I'm gonna win if you defend it cool now I can hit you

from the other side yeah it's kind of like on the movies and the war movies right they they they was it because ram I don't know but you know how they have the the girl you know walks that's that's the the the the the Decoy so obvious the girl's not gonna be in a war zone for sure right you got to you got to know that Yeah watch out for that really good looking girl in the bad situation the battlefield Yeah yeah back to the book if you demonstrate strongly to opponents oh this is good if you demonstrate Strongly to opponents how you control the advantage they will change their minds Inhibited by this strength so if I'm dominating you on the jih Tzu mat and I'm just holding you cross side holding you across side holding you across side holding you across side

I've given away What I do to control you So now next time you're not gonna let me get a cross side You're gonna panic So or you're gonna not gonna panic But you're gonna really defend that position harder And you're gonna sacrifice a cross side Maybe you give up your back

Because you realize hey my back attacks aren't as good And then now I'm not getting where I wanna be So if you demonstrate So you gotta be careful you can't be so dominant In what you're doing That everyone sees it Or that your opponent sees it Or that your competitor sees what you're doing

And then they can counter it if you if you keep it somewhat Obscured by by you know smoke and mirrors so that they can't tell exactly how you're dominating and that's a positive thing That's a one of the drawbacks of having the same training partner you know because you like I train with Greg so much That we just sit in this weird stale made it's position so much of the time. Yeah, and it's almost like it's and it's subconscious at this point. Yeah, of course. Where you're not worried about certain things now. Well, this goes back. What you need to do with him there is you need to avoid that position before you get to it.

Yeah. Right as you get to, you need to go, no, we're not going there. Yeah. Dang. Back to the book, there is infection in everything. Even sleepiness can be infectious. And yawning can be infectious. There is even infection of a time.

In large-scale military science, when adversaries are excited and evidently are in a hurry to act, You behave as though you are completely unfazed, giving the appearance of being thoroughly relaxed and at ease. Do this, and the adversaries themselves are influenced by this mood, becoming less enthusiastic. When you think your opponents have caught that mood, you empty your own mind and act quickly and firmly, thus gaining the winning advantage. In martial arts as well, it is essential to be relaxed and body and mind, notice the moment an opponent slackens and quickly take the initiative to win. Now the reason I wanted to point that one out is it is for especially for You know people in police officers bouncers That's the de-escalation right someone's getting all excited if you get excited back at them you're just escalating the situation

At calm calm then down don't let them they want you to get riled up like that drunk guy That they that that that domestic violence situations they want you they want to fight they want to lash you out if you give it to them they're going to take it in a large in large scale military science it is essential to cause upset it's critical to attack resolutely where enemies are not expecting it then while their minds are unsettled use this to your advantage to take the initiative and win there is fright in everything this means being frightened by the unexpected in individual martial arts you can threaten by means of your body you can threatened by means of your sword you can threat by means of your voice what is

essential is to suddenly make a move totally unexpected by the opponent pick up on the advantage of the fright and sees victory right then and there this must be worked out thoroughly this is whenever I catch Dean whenever I catch Dean I catch him only by surprise like I if he knows what I'm doing he stops it the only times I catch him is by surprise and any you know he'll say oh man I Did not expect an arm lock there for a while ago, you know, I was Camira, come here, come here, Camero, and he gets so good at defending Camero. I wasn't hitting it and then one day, boom, threw an arm lock. I did that to you a couple of weeks ago, right? You were, you said the exact same thing. Yeah, you know, that's defending the heck out of that Camerra and then boom, yeah, straight arm lock. Yeah, and what got you was just surprise, surprise, because your defense is solid on what you see. It's those things that you don't see. Yeah. That which you're, that which you you cannot defend. And that, yeah, I mean, that could, especially when you get advanced, that is the whole

of jiu-jitsu right there, you know, the setting up that surprise. Although, like, there's times where Dean, I know exactly what he's going to do. And he's doing it with such methodical perfection that I cannot stop it. Yeah. And that is so bothersome. But even that kind of, and this is totally splitting hairs. But even that, in a way, he might have little microschooling. surprises you know to establish the position getting yes getting to the position he

definitely does that yeah but once he's in a position and I know exactly matter fact he'll be telling me he'll be telling me oh you know what's coming jaco I wish you could stop this it's actually sad that you can't he'll be talking so much smack to me which obviously is even more frustrating but that's because he's better than me at jiu jiu jitza right he's he's just got the skills yeah And he knows he does know he knows how to do those movements with such authority and precision that you're just you're just in trouble yeah you know he does this one he calls it like the arresting officer and he'll start talking to me like he's a like

he's a cop and he'll be going he'll be saying sir just calm down just calm down sir and he's got me face down like I'm getting arrested and he does that weird Camero and he's you know he just he says he'll say look at the wall over there and I'm trying not to look where he's like you like force my face it's it's humiliating that's why when either one of us and we're at a point in the jiu jitser now where if either one of us get in our dominant position the other person we we're going to make them suffer immensely and he's got more dominant you know if get a cross-side on him he's in trouble and if I get him on all fours he's in trouble He's I'm gonna make him suffer in both those positions straight up I might not submit him but he's gonna suffer

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he's got those two positions the same thing like if he's a cross-side of me or he's or if I'm all fours He'll make me suffer but also he has the mount if he mounts me I suffer Yeah, but brutally because then I'm looking at him which is even more horrible You know that he will literally drip sweat into my eyes purposefully. Yeah, yeah. You know, if he's in the mount, he'll sit there and aim sweat drop

coming off his nose and hit me in the eye. Yeah, that's advanced. And tell me, you know, Chinese water torture. Like, as soon as he'll mount me, he's like, as soon as he'll mount me, he's like, Chinese water torture. And I'm saying, Dean, I'm going to kill. I'll be saying, I always say,

Dean, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. Enjoy this. And then when I get him or. Oh, that's what makes the Jiu-Jitsu so fun. The game within the game. Yeah.

It's crazy. Back to the book. Flustering opponents means acting in such a way as to prevent them from having a steady mind. In large-scale military science, this means that you assess adversaries' minds on the battlefield and use the power of your knowledge of the art of war to manipulate their attention, making them think confusing thoughts about what you're going to do. It means finding a rhythm. them that will fluster adversaries accurately discerning where you can win. In individual martial arts as well, you try various maneuvers according to the opportunity of the moment, making the opponent think you are now going to do this, now that, now something

else, until you find the opponent starting to get flustered, and thus you win at will. This is the essence of battle. It should be studied carefully. So clearly make flustering your opponent on the battlefield in business wherever you are in conversations. You're trying to get someone. Fluster them. Flustrum, obviously in Jiu-Jitsu. When you start getting flustered, you're doomed.

Yeah. You're doomed. In the context of large-scale combat mixing means that when two groups are facing off and your opponents are strong, you attack one of the opponents' flanks, as if to mix with them. then when you see the opponents crumble you leave off and attack again where they are strong flanking always mountain and sea means that it's bad to do the same thing over and over again you may have to repeat something once but it should not be done a third time when you try something on an opponent if it does not work the first time you will not get any benefit out of

rushing to do it again change your tactics abruptly doing something completely different If that still does not work, then try something else. Thus, the science of martial arts involves the presence of mind to act and see where the enemy is like a mountain and act as a mountain when the enemy is like a sea. This requires careful reflection. So what's interesting about this is you actually, there is a benefit in jiu-jitsu and on the battlefield. If you try something and you see the reaction, now you know the reaction. You try it again if you automatically counter the reaction that's a great setup Dean will do three three times he'll do something three times he'll go once fake once fake

If he doesn't do it the third time he won't do it which is a great rule to have because now that person has thought oh They're setting this up But yeah so sometimes it's good to try something you see the defenses and now you can attack it with those defenses understood is beneficial. Especially with Jiu Jitsu. Well, Jiu Jitza, it's so complex. You can go for a guillotine,

but the way you went for the guillotine can change a lot too. You know, like I won't try it from this very exact position, you know, two, three times. I'll go one, didn't work. Maybe I'll try it again. Oh, obviously didn't work. He's good at defending from there.

Maybe you'll do something else, something else, something else, and then come back to it. You know those guys who are. You got it. You got to, that's a great point. If I try a guillotine on you, and then I try it again,

You already know it's like if I try one on you it's tight close but you get out You're you're defending it like crazy now you're not even let me get it again Yeah I got to attack 14 other I got to attack multiple other things probably like Probably around five or six other things Yeah before I come back to the guillotine and I'm gonna get it deep next time Right because I know you got good defense right I'm gonna go a little extra Yeah, and you're gonna set it up different typically you know the you know those guys are really good at triangles Yeah, they'll just fly them out anywhere yeah

So all that is is it's a same thing where they'll go for a triangle and sure you can even be like yeah I know this guy's good at triangles so I'm going to defend the triangle so you know how to defend the but you're not as good so you're used to defending the triangle from the from the guard and that's it meanwhile this guy's doing some half guard thing to sweep you here when you base to sweep he's going for that triangle you know so he knows it from everywhere so it's the same eventuality but the way he approaches is different so it's like attacking this mountain we're not going to go up this straight in the front of the mountain we're going to try the front okay

defended we're going to try it from the side okay defended we're going to try from the side here then go to the front then go to the other side and then get it on airborne yeah yeah yeah attacking from the air back to the book when fighting with enemies if you get the if you get to feeling snarled up and are making no progress you toss a toss your mood away and think in your heart that you are starting everything anew as you get the rhythm you discern how to win this is becoming a new and you Anytime you feel tension and friction building up between yourself and others, if you change your mind that very moment, you can prevail by the advantage of radical difference. This is becoming new.

So sometimes you just got to put your attitude in check, right? The reason that I thought about that, I thought about that in terms of from leadership perspective, dealing with people. The minute, you know, you and I are in a meeting and all of a sudden I start feeling that friction, I'm, I should need to recognize I'm doing something wrong. I'm creating friction I'm not making progress need to start a new need to take a different approach You need to realize that early when you're dealing with other human beings the more I continue down the bad approach that wasn't working The harder it is to back out of so when you start sensing that bad approach go a different direction Yeah When you are fighting adversaries and get to feeling snarled up in petty maneuvers

Remember this rule of military science while in the midst of the minutia Suddenly you shift to a large perspective changing to great or small is an intentional part of the science of the art of war it is essential for warriors to seek this even in the ordinary consciousness of human life this mentality is critical to military science whether large or small scale this concern should be given careful consideration so this is detachment you have to detach you can't get caught in the minutia and you also can't get caught in the large scale you have to be able to see both of them and when you when you feel like you've spent too much time in one time to back When you start and when you start feeling bogged down step back

Step back take the large perspective let me ask you this like you're obviously well versed in a in a lot of like detachment for example Do you Conduct like your everyday life just that just that just He's on the forefront of your mind. You're just, I mean, I'm not saying you're detached the whole time, but you know, like, you'll detach it just a split second when you have to kind of thing. Is it that available? No, actually, I'm more often, I'm observing myself. The whole time, you know.

Yeah. Now, this is weird because sometimes people say, you don't even enjoy your life. And that's not true. You come to Jiu Jitsu with me. I, I, you know, I'm having fun, right? I'm actually so detached doing Jiu-Jitsu, but I'm in the like the Zen mindset, right? My mind's not even there.

So that's very pleasurable for you. But, you know, I'm not like detached when I'm playing with my eight-year-old daughter. I'm not detached when I'm, you know, hanging out with my family. I'm not in this big detachment mode. But if I'm dealing with one of my kids and one of my kids did something that shouldn't have done or I'm detached then. Yes, absolutely.

Yeah. Absolutely. when I'm dealing with a client and you know they're having issues with something I'm detached you know a client starts getting mad at another client and I'm there I'm detached you know that's one of the benefits of echelon front is echelon front when we come into work with a company we're but we're de facto detached and they're always caught up in these crazy situations these companies well not all of them but even a company that's doing well they've got things that they don't see because they're in the fight they're in the tactical battlefield they're getting after it they got sales they got to do They got numbers. They got a reach. They got all these things going on. They got goals. They got raises that they're doing.

They got all these things happening. And they're in it. So when we come in, we are detached. It's just inherent in what we're doing. And it's very beneficial because we're detached from a leadership perspective. And that's what we're looking at. Right. So some companies might come in and they're detached,

but they're not there to look at the leadership. They're going to look at the finances. Right. They're there to look at the process. You know, a lot of companies need help with their process. And that's cool. There's companies that there's consulting companies that come in and look at process There's consulting companies that come in and look at finance

We're a consulting company that comes in and looks at leadership And what we have is we've been doing it for so long Not just in the military in the business world that when we come in detached We get very obvious for all of them for us to what's happening because we've we've seen it before Yeah, we've seen it before Yeah, and in those cases you know when especially when you're quote unquote at work You know I would imagine it's easy to just you know Yeah, but like what I'm saying is just your everyday life you know you talk about like with your kids or something like that is it is it easy to

To boom detach at a moment's notice or is it the kind of okay I think I got a detached I think I'm conditioned Yeah, yeah that when things start to escalate I automatically detach yeah yeah like when I see something you know if I see let's say A lifeguard situation you know I'm down at the beach I'm down at the ocean and I see a lifeguard situation something happening. I instantly detached and I'm looking around. I'm seeing where the where positions are. I'm seeing what we can do to help. I'm instantly detached. Whereas a lot of people are not detached at all. Oh my God. This is happening. I'm instantly detached completely. Yeah. That's the kind of situation or even you know if if there's an

escalation in the household of some kind raised voices or whatever which there's not honestly there's not a lot in my house. But if there is it it's an instant. Detachment for me. It's an instant when I hear my kid yelling, you know, maybe raising his voice to my wife It's instantly it's not it's not why is that kid doing no it's like okay boom I'm detached from going to find out what's going on Yeah, that's very I think I've conditioned to myself to be like that and I think that's why I always talk about you got to have those red flags You got to identify what it is that you do as a human that make that makes you realize you're escalating too. Yeah, that's what you got to watch out for Yeah, it really seems like that's like the goal, you know, to make it, to have it be just like how you have it. Yeah.

To have it conditioned into your brain that when you, when things are escalating around you, it's a warning that flashes, you just go detached. Automatic. Boom. That's what happens. Like, you know, we'll be walking down the street and there'll be some kind of a situation in the street. It's instant detach. It's instant. All right, what's going on? Where's the cops? Where's the cars? You know, it's, that's all the time. Yeah. Yeah, because really the default, I think, for, you know, your average person is how it's not like, okay, what's the scenario? What's the problem to be solved? How do I solve it? It's more, how do I feel about this? You know, now that we're thinking about it, I bet.

So I was when I was training, I was, I spent time in the training department of SEAL Team 1, training cell when I was part of CADRE. Hell, yeah. And there. And then obviously I ran the training for the West Coast SEALs when I was at Trade Debt. And in both, well, this may have really helped me because in both those situations, I was an instructor. So therefore, while we would throw these hard problems at people, I would be once again, de facto, I am detached because I'm not in the platoon that's going through the training. So I am detached. And so I always got to see how much more you can see when you are detached. So as I learned that over the years and saw over and over again that I could even when I was a young,

seal in in cadre at seal team one we would I'm sitting there as an E5 sealed you know an enlisted seal not in charge of anything but I'm watching the the situation unfold and I can see what the solution is yeah and the and the and the and the platoon chief can't see it and he's more experienced than I am he can't see it because he's in it and so I would always just say well just all I need to do is just step back see what I used to be able to see when I was an instructor easy boom yeah so I probably got to train my detachment by

actually not being in participating but watching be like if you sat around and watched street fights off like as a bouncer as a bouncer you're sober you're seeing it day and day out eventually as the longer that when you first became a bouncer and there was a fight were you detached at all

no you probably weren't you're probably oh there's a fight going on and grab this guy and then the more experienced you got the more level headed you got you can always tell a good bouncer when they Yeah, hey, you know, they can come and they can take control. They're not get, they're not escalating themselves. They're detached.

So you probably achieved some of that as well. Yeah, fully. Yeah. So it's like you, it's almost like you, you recognize just over and over again where the advent or the beneficial position is. And it's outside. Mm-hmm. It's not inside.

As far as mentally. Yeah. It's outside your own head, not inside your own head. Yeah. Yeah. That's good, man. That's the goal right there. It is.

Because, oh, man. Yeah. Back to the book. Military science. involves knowledge of the methods of other schools unless you know the ways of other schools you certainly cannot understand the way of my individual school got to understand your enemy got understand other methods got to understand the way other people are doing things there are some other schools that are fond of extra long swords from the point of the martial art I see them as

weak schools at times when you are engaged with an opponent at close quarters the longer sword the longer your sword is the harder does to strike with it you cannot swing the sword back and forth enough and it becomes a burden then you are in a worse situation in someone wielding a small sidearm sword in the context of large military science the extra long sword is the large contingent a shorter one is a small contingent is a battle between a small contingent and a large contingent impossible there are many examples of a small contingent winning over a a large contingent thus in my individual school there is a virgin there is an

version to narrow biased attitude this calls for careful examination so yes well just like with a longer sword the harder it is to maneuver with a smaller sword it's easier to maneuver if you take a big giant element with you on the battlefield it's harder to maneuver if you take a smaller in the business world you set up your company this is large business it's going to be less maneuverable. If you break it into smaller teams that are more maneuverable, could be very beneficial.

So you should have an aversion towards biased attitudes. Back the book. If you slash with unreasonable force when you are going to kill someone intending to deal a powerful blow of the sword, you will not be successful. Even when you are making a test cut on a dummy or something, it is wrong to try to deliberately slash powerfully.

When facing an enemy in mortal combat, nobody thinks of striking weakly or powerfully. When one thinks of killing each other, when one only thinks of killing the other, there's no sense of strength and, of course, no sense of weakness. One only thinks of the death of the enemy. And I like that because obviously we see this in martial arts when somebody's trying to knock the opponent out with every swing that they take and they miss all of them. They're winding up and they're telegraphing and it just doesn't work the way you knock someone out is by You know keeping your tight combos together and throwing them And in the business world what I see is when people try and lead Again, this is it's so strange, but leader's supposed to be powerful right? Yeah, and sometimes people lead with too much power

Yeah, and and they lead with so much force that they're that they're missing what's happening they're missing the nuances of the people that they're leading and they're taking away the power from the people that they're trying to lead Yeah, is it like how like they might be focusing too much on being powerful? Yeah, they might be focusing too much on being powerful They might be focusing on too much on being the leader right right now we get all into the spectrum here Some people aren't leading enough right that's that's horrible some people are leading too much which means they're turning into a micro manager or they're overbearing and they're not getting feedback from people So with both those if you're trying to lead so hard another thing that happens you see people try and do is They're they're chasing the target which is something we say from shooting where they're basically shooting where their last round went

Well you see people that are in leadership positions They're trying so hard to be the leader they want they they get feedback and they adjust and they get feedback again They adjust again So they're trying so hard to do a good job that they're actually failing They're actually failing because they're trying too hard to make people happy they're trying too hard to adapt to what people are the feedback that they're getting and like what are your principles okay the principles of your leadership shouldn't change and the principles of the goals that you're trying to accomplish they shouldn't be changing day to day

so why would your little tactics be straight changing day to day now you're moving all over the place so sometimes people lead too hard yeah got to be careful about one careful consideration yes this should be examined carefully in the course of struggle for victory by military science you win by disrupting others defenses by making moves opponents do not expect by confusing opponents or irritating them or scaring them sensing the pattern of the rhythm when the opponents get mixed up to seize victory distraction the focus of the eyes depends on the school there are those who fix their eyes on the opponent's

swords and there are those who fix their opponents fix their eyes on the opponent's hands there are those who fix their eyes on the opponent's face and there are those who fix their eyes on the opponent's feet and so on when you try to fix your eyes on some particular point there is a sense of distraction and this becomes what is known as an affliction in martial arts generally speaking the focus of the eyes in martial arts is on the hearts and minds of the people involved we need to understand people we need to understand human nature to lead and to fight and to win in my martial art there's no change in footwork it is just like walking along a road as usual following the rhythm of the

opponent finding the right physical position and conditions of both hurry and calm the stride should be orderly without slack or excess this is when i was a brand new seal and one of my favorite awesome instructors that was putting it was one of the cadre when I was going through but he's the first guy that I said that hurts a running to your death but when he would move he was an extreme he's probably one of the best shooters in the SEAL teams as far as pistol rifle combat shooting he was definitely one of the best and when he would move through a building he would just be moving at the steady pace and it was just the most awesome thing it's

than a walk but it's definitely not a run and it's smooth and he would give us a little examples of how effective it was and how you needed to move that way and that's that's that's that's exactly what this reminded me of it's like good pace solid pace and you just steady yeah back to the book when you master an art or science your performance does not appear to be fast the performance of an expert seems relaxed but does not leave any gaps the actions of trained people Do not seem rushed. It's like Jeff Glover when you're watching him.

The word that always comes to my mind is smooth. And he's going fast, but it looks so smooth. And it is fast, lightning fast, but it's so smooth. My way of teaching martial arts is to have beginners learn and practice those techniques that are easily mastered, first teaching them the principles that they will readily understand. As for those things that their minds have a hard reaching I observe the understanding of the individual subsequently teaching them deeper

principles gradually step by step so you start teaching people things that they understand accordingly in transmitting my science I do not care for written pledges or articles of penalties observing the intellectual power of students teaching them a straight path having them abandon the bad aspects of the five ways or the six ways of martial arts So that they naturally enter in to the real science of warriors causing their minds to be free from doubt This is the way I teach martial arts Thorough training and practice are necessary so this reminds me of all the clickbait Articles that are out there that say in fact we made a funny video that said the one thing you need to do to change and it was

Right it's it's click bait because you see those all time. I was looking at a a website the other day or a social media feed the other day from one of those websites every I count like 14 in a row of the articles that were posted were five things that every CEO does yeah seven steps to you know this and four because those are just click pay people like oh cool that's cool they've broken it down into four things I can easily understand click I'm gonna click on that let's do it and now I can be now I can achieve you know whatever it's all I need to know I don't have to work anymore to work I just you just read the list bro you're

Good. So that's some stuff you kind of watch out for. Click on those things. But you know what? That's what people do. They're interested. Seven ways a Navy SEAL. Blah, blah, blah.

They did that. They've done that with some of mine. They took the dichotomy of leadership. And they made it into an article. It's like 12 things every leader. Navy SEALs, 12 things every leader needs to characteristics or something like that. They broke it down like that. They've done that with actually quite a few things that we've done.

They've they've changed it from you know the dichotomy of leadership which is a concept right It's a concept and there are some examples of the concept right but they that's the one that they turned into like a cartoon Where they got me in all these weird different outfits Have you seen that thing? They got me in like a Salmon colored sports jacket And they got me all one of them is like I'm dressed like Sherlock Holmes. I'm serious this exists Wait is the video? No, no, it's it's a it's a It's a cartoon I guess

What you call but it's an article. I think it's business insider and it's an article and it's got this cartoons of me and it's saying the 12 I think it's the 12 characteristics every leader needs to follow But they took the dichotomy of leadership which is a concept of which I give examples in the book of how this concept applies but they just said no it's not a concept it's these are the 12 things you we don't want a concept that might be too hard to understand No one's gonna click on that yeah gotta click on those things Well in their defense it is a more like what do you call it digestible For sure for sure no I totally understand what they're doing and you know what if it gets someone which is their goal is to get people to read it and if someone reads it and goes okay that's a cool I understand there's a concept beyond it. Yeah credit good job they are but

But what we see is people that are doing it and they're actually their purpose is to get the click and they're not actually trying to introduce people to something more deep than that There's just something deeper than that. They're just trying to get them to click on that and feel good for the next 30 seconds. They go, man, I'm going to definitely do those four steps. Three things to do to incinerate belly fat.

Yeah, there you go. There you go. There's another one. Incineration. I like it. Very powerful. Back to the book. In my individual school,

there is no such thing as a distinction between initiatory and inner lore about the long sword so that is awesome and what he's saying is there's no difference between what you learn in the beginning and what you learn in the end it's the same i was talking about that with laif today the concepts are the concepts the concepts are the concepts and what you learn in the beginning about combat they stay true And that's why we're reading a book from 1643 that's telling you to take the high ground. Yeah.

That's why. Because what you get introduced to, the true concepts, they remain constant. Do the tactics change true? Do we get radios? Do we get night vision? Do we get long range weapons? Yes, of course, we get all those things.

But the principles, the fundamental principles of combat leadership, they don't change. There is, back to the book, there is no such thing as the ultimate guard. It is only a matter of understanding its effective qualities in your heart and mind This is what is essential to martial arts. So I think it's so important and I've always tried to to maintain this Is that there is no perfect thing. There is no perfect thing and I've I've said this about Jiu jitsu I mean I always get pigeon hold as a Jiu Jitsu like oh Jocco thinks Jiu Jitsu is the best thing in the world

Yeah Yeah when I will readily and have all readily admitted the many weaknesses of jiu jitsu I happen to love jiu jit too as a thing to do as a hobby and I also do think it is the best place to start your self-defense journey but then you absolutely have to learn how to wrestle you absolutely have to learn how to box you absolutely have to learn some moitai and beyond that you have to start learning weapons you have to learn how to show all those things are important and with jiu jih Tzu saying

thing even inside of jiu-jitsu I don't look at him say there's a one way to do it the minute you say there's a one way getting flank you're you're getting flanked you're getting flanked the book this is now we're getting the last scroll here the scroll of emptiness warriors learn military science accurately and go on to practice the techniques of martial arts diligently the way that is practiced by warriors is not obscure in the least without any confusion in mind, without slacking off at any time, polishing the mind and attention,

sharpening the eye that observes and the eye that sees, one should know real emptiness as the state where there is no obscurity and the clouds of confusion have cleared away. So you hear talking about the empty mind and all that, really good definition of what that is no obscurity and the clouds of confusion have gone away what they call that the mootian mind musion i don't know they there's a word like that but i know what it is right now i call monkey mind actually is what i've always called it interesting knowing that mentality taking straightforwardness as basic taking the real mind as the way

way practicing martial arts in the broadest sense thinking correctly clearly and comprehensively taking emptiness as the way you see the way as emptiness in emptiness there is good but no evil wisdom exists logic exists the way exists mind is empty 12 May 16 and that's how he wraps it up and about a month later and about a week before he died which is on the 13th of June 1645 he wrote his final piece which is called a Dakota, which translates to the path of aloneness or the way to go forth alone, or the way of walking alone, or the way to be followed alone. I found all those different translations.

And all those titles, one thing that comes through clearly is that this is a piece about asceticism, which is a great word. And you hear a lot in religious, following. philosophies and it means severe self-discipline and avoidance of all forms of indulgence That's that's what a seticism is and so here these he's got these 21 rules These 21 rules to walk this path of aloneness and We're gonna go through one except everything just the way it is That's pretty simple and it's pretty damn powerful

Two, do not seek pleasure for its own sake. Three, do not under any circumstances depend on a partial feeling. Four, think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world. Humility. Five, be detached from desire your whole life long. And that's hard to do. and there's one of my if I had to pick a favorite poet besides Shakespeare but there's another guy named William Blake who is a poet and he was a painter and he printed things and he was a

I studied him in college didn't like a lot of stuff I studied in college but I liked William Blake and one of the things that when I read that line I thought about something that William Blake had said and this is totally contrary to that listen this those who restrain desire do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained I'm not even gonna take a side on that one I'm gonna let musashi and William Blake figure that one out I think you gotta balance those two I guess I just took a side no I didn't know I didn't right in the middle right in the middle the balance I'm about the balance six do not regret what you have done seven

never be jealous eight Never let yourself be saddened by a separation. 9. Resentment and complaint are appropriate neither for oneself or others. We don't like complaints around here. 10. Do not let yourself be guided by the feeling of lust or love. Now, people could obey that one, especially between the ages of 16. in 25 you solve all kinds of problems for self in your life 11 in all things have no preferences think about that think about of everything that you deal with on a day-to-day basis

you you have preferences 12 being different to where you live that's a tough one for me kind of like San Diego yeah do not pursue the taste of good food kind of a challenging ones. Maybe he wasn't around ribbyes. But he was around sushi though, so it's I guess, you know, there's something. My opinion.

I'll tell you what. The fasting thing is I've been like just getting after some fast lately. It feels so good. It feels so good. And somebody asked me on Twitter the other day, do you ever not scratch an itch

just to work on your discipline? And I was like, oh yeah, who doesn't do that? Right, but there is something cool about the fasting, the control, the discipline is pretty cool. Yeah, it's, it's pretty cool to do. And it feels rewarding. Yeah. It feels rewarding. Every time you say, I don't really need to eat that, whatever that thing is.

Yeah. But like I'm not going to die. Yeah. I can make it to, you know, this evening when I'm going to eat a nice big dinner. There's something good about that. There's something rewarding. Yeah. Yeah, in a couple of ways for sure.

That itch thing, I've done that before. Like, actually a lot of times just to see, not because, oh, I'm going to see how tough I can be with not scratching the itch, but just to see, like, what's going to happen to the it? You know, it usually gets scratched, and that's it. Like, what's going to happen, though, if I just let it go? Maybe your arm will grow and get infected.

Yeah, but I've found this two different things. One thing that happens is the it simply goes away. Yeah, it goes away. Then the other one, ultimately they both go away, But the other one is like a it gets crazy to the point where you get, but like a, um, uh, it was a, a, a mosquito bite. Oh, yeah. Well, that's a little different. Yeah, but still it's an itch though.

True. But the it's like deeper and it's crazy, but it goes away. Yeah. Discipline. Discipline. 14. Do not hold on to possessions you no longer need. Again, the original minimalists here.

Yeah. I need to get. almost with some of my old t-shirts make way for the new ones got those old t-shirts I got old jiu-jitsu t-shirts from 1997 competition I don't want to throw that away they got a little sentimental meaning I want that thing yeah I just keep you a new one you know let's not get rid of that one this is an interesting one number 15 do not act following customary beliefs so here's a guy you know from the samurai tradition steeped in tradition he's like don't act but his customary beliefs yeah

have an open mind yeah do not collect weapons or practice weapons beyond what is useful well some of us like weapons yes do not fear death number 17 do not fear death that's affirmative number 18 do not seek to possess either goods or fiefs beyond your old age or four-year-old old age makes sense right 19 respect Buddha and the gods without counting on their help mounting on their help number 20 you may abandon your own body but you must preserve your honor and number 21 never stray from the way that's some incredible guidance and so much of it is so simple and yet so powerful and it's from 1645 and what strike me the most about this

these 21 rules is that he wrote them on his deathbed and the suspicion is he died of some kind of cancer which had rapidly weakened him and this is what he wrote on his deathbed. He wrote about not, he wrote about not letting desires control you, but controlling your desires. You wrote not about gaining more possessions, but ridding yourself of them.

You wrote about not being the center of the world as a warrior, not about fighting things, but accepting. And he wrote about controlling his feelings. And all those rules, what they're about is they're about, discipline discipline and in his final days after this incredible life that he lived

it was discipline that would set him free probably all musashi for tonight until we get to episode 100 where we'll be covering the novel musashi which I was reading it the other night and there's a reason why we're going to cover I think it's the first novel we're gonna cover in fact it is there's no we haven't covered any novels The way of the warrior kids novels yes, but this is the first novel we're coming now everyone Thought myself included that the first novel we would cover would be blood meridian Which is also historically based novel I'm still not ready for blood meridian

I'm still not ready for blood meridian I'm reading it over and over again chunks of it and it's the first novel will be musashi and we're going to learn a lot from that one and I'm going to start with the same opening we started with today sure that opening that opening is just legit isn't it it is when you read that opening the whole world's gone crazy a man one might as well be a dead leaf floating in the autumn breeze He's laying in piles of corpses That's how you kick off a novel

We can learn a lot We can always learn a lot from the past And You know, speaking of learning things Sure Is there anything that you could teach us Quickly about If anyone wants to learn how to support this podcast

Yeah, of course When you say quickly You want me to just talk in a fast page or keep it short or both a little bit of both I'm not trying to truncate right you know your gig you don't want me to rush per se I don't want you to rush but I don't want to be here much longer don't dilly dally yes I got you all right well let's talk about on it I feel that's the best way to start I went to Hawaii yeah story that's right I went to why I went to Hawaii forgot my cruel oil.

Ooh. Rough deal. It's warm over there, so not too bad. And a lot of the workouts I was doing were pretty like light. So it was less of a factor. But when I came home, next day, I walked downstairs strangely because in Hawaii, you do a lot of, you know, walking on the beach, all this stuff. I'm dragging my kids around in this wagon. So it's weird.

Your feet get a workout. So I'm walking down the stairs today. And I'm like, oh, my feet. We're all stiff. Anyway, no krill oil. Boom. Back on the krill oil, back home, all good. So, point there being, don't stop taking your krill oil.

You will feel it. Look, it's not a detrimental thing. Well, for me, it's not. I don't know. I can't speak for everybody. It could be detrimental if you stop. You know, like your joints being stiff. All of a sudden.

I think it's detrimental. Might affect other people more than others. Determinal to your feet, apparently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In my case, for sure. Crill oil is for your joints. I get mine it on it. Jaku gets his it on it.

On it is the most reputable place to get it. Omega-3s for your joints. Also, what else do we need to get after it? If you're going high-intensity, if you're going high-performance, for yourself. I'm not saying Olympic athlete necessarily. I'm not saying not an Olympic athlete necessarily. Shroom tech sport keeps you in the yellow and the green.

It doesn't allow you to go in the red. That's how it feels. That's my best way to sum it up. like if you have another round let's say you're on your last set of like I don't know jujitsu or something hard

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also you know a good way to do that is when you breathe with your diaphragm from what I read you uptake 10% more oxygen. Remember that next time you're breathing. I don't need to breathe. Also, you know, breathing exercise? I thought breathing exercises were like,

all these yogis, they're just doing breathing exercises, you know, like I know how to breathe. I was breathing when I was born. I know how to breathe. 30 something, some odd years of breathing experience, I know. But those. I was an experienced breather. Yeah, very experienced.

And holding my breath. All that stuff. You know? Well, you're from Kauai. Hey man, you know, you gotta jump in the water every once in a while, swim underneath it. Anyway, when you breathe those muscles that, you know what I mean, that help you breathe in your, you know, your ribs and your diaphragm, like, if those are strong, you can breathe better. True. I'm just saying that's, don't neglect that.

So the breathing exercise, people, respect. But chemically, if you want, you know, better oxygen uptake, shroom tech sport, that's the one. Crill oil, alpha brain for your brain. I can't go into the neural science. of it right now, but you can, if you want, just go to the website, onit.com. And if you want 10% off of any of this stuff, go onet.com slash jaco.

Now, don't think that AlphaBrain, Shroom Tech, Sport, and Cruel Oil are the only things on there because there's, I'm tempted to say literally, I don't really overuse the word literally. Do I? No, you don't. Yeah. Approved. Use it approved.

Yeah. So I'm going to say borderline literally, there's stuff for anything on there. Like if you need supplementation for something, there's even workout equipment on there. Like good stuff too. I don't think you'll find like a like dumbbells though. No, there's no dumbbells. Because that's not really, you know.

You can get dumbbells anywhere. Yes. Go to Amazon for dumbbells. And speaking of Amazon. Actually, just so I'm clear though, if you want 10% all this stuff, there is a lot of cool stuff. They even have normal like workout stuff, but the cooler version of it.

Like how I always mention the kettlebells, kettlebells are cool in it of themselves. And beyond the coolness, they're one of the best exercise equipment. Equipments. Pieces of equipment. Pieces of equipment. Exactly right. I'm here for you. Bro, I did, um, what is called? Clean and press, right?

Clean and the kettlebells? Yes. Yes. Unless you use your legs, then it's a jerk. All right. Yeah. They split. Okay, so boom, clean press and then boom right to burpees. So I go six and five six and five

Metcon just go eight minutes boom many as you can I I wasn't focusing on as many as I can I was trying to go for like seven sets. Oh okay I lost count of the sets it was the first time I was doing it My son he's nine months old by the way. He's crawling around I can't be flying the kettlebells and landing on his Anything no no No, you don't want to mean. There's no safe landing on the baby with the kettlebells. Exactly right. So nonetheless, the point is I lost count.

When I was done, eight minutes 30-something. That's what it was. Good work out. Metcon. Boom. Anyway, so if you do kettlebells, go to Onet, look at their kettlebells. Tell me what you think. That's all I'm going to say.

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active training harder at Jiu Jitsu asked about healthier choices for meals and picking up a book instead of playing video games it makes a huge difference when they are the ones making the choice instead of me making that choice for them if your kids read just one book this year this is the one pretty awesome that's makes me a super stoked when I hear that kids are picking up books instead of playing video games so that's way the warrior kid also we're actually getting into the red zone on discipline equals freedom field manual I'm finishing the final edits you know this is sort of like my book of five rings you know what I'm saying like

She wrote that now I'm not on my deathbed yet hopefully But this is what I think this is what I do these are the thoughts actions words of my life What I work out this is how I work out what food I eat recovery martial arts is it Comes out October 17th the cover is done there's a new cover they well they finish the cover and people were worried because the original cover they put up Is it's just a black cover with it says Discipline equals freedom field manual by Jocco Willink that was the original cover sure that I designed and told them to post which they did and then there's been one little addition to that sure check it out because some people they because they had originally they had a sticker on there that said cover not final

meaning that people were thinking oh they're gonna they're gonna make it all stupid all salesy or whatever but there was a little addition made to that cover you can check it out iconic possibly maybe if if you really bend then stretch that word you might be getting there of course extreme ownership that's the other book available right now obviously where it started here combat leadership applied to the battlefield to business and to life boom get it also if you need support training and transforming your leadership team wherever you are at your business your corporation

wherever you are contact us leadership and management consulting info at echelon front dot com also the muster Austin Texas July 13th and 14th Omni Barton Creek resort now what's cool about this is basically an enclosed environment we're in San Diego you know you can go out you can get around the Omni Barton Creek is a little bit outside of town so it's gonna be just a us there it's not that huge so it's gonna be us it's gonna be we're gonna overrun the place with troopers and it'll be great the one thing that's not so great is there's only 300 seats I think we got about 40 or 50 seats left for the Austin muster so register

ASAP there's no room for expansion in New York we sold out 350 we expanded the room to 400 we expanded it to 450 it arranged rearranged chairs there's no room to do that in Austin so I apologize If you want to come to Austin or if you're in Austin or if you're in Texas or wherever you're at, you want to come to that one. Do it quick. www. www.exreme ownership.com. And if it sells out before you get a seat, come to San Diego, September 14th and 15th.

Muster 004 at the Omni Hotel right in downtown San Diego. And in the meantime, if you are looking to connect with us, you can find us straight up cruising hard. Extra hard on the interwebs on Twitter on Instagram and on the Facebook Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocka Willink and thanks to everyone for listening for joining us for supporting us for subscribing and for spreading the word and to the military personnel out there going into harm's way modern day Sam warrior is protecting our modern day kingdom thank you and the police law enforcement firefighters EMTs first responders thanks for being there when we

call you and to the rest of you out there doing what you do but instead of just doing it doing it like Musashi like a warrior excelling in anything and everything you do out there getting after it so until next time this is echo and jocco out