Jocko Podcast - 81: Great Leadership Advice From The British. An Anthology On Leadership for Battle and Life. "Serve To Lead"

Episode Date: June 28, 2017

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This is Jocko podcast number 81 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink Good evening, Echo. Good evening. November 29th, 1915. It has teamed. The trenches are ankle deep, some places calf deep in mud, and the communications trenches are rushing streams of brown water. The men are wet, through but stick the job like Britons and I hope for their sake that the weather lifts with the

morning the guns have been strafing today though up till now we have dodged the show it may be ours again tomorrow though one never knows this is from the diary of captain charlie may the British Army officer commander of B Company 22nd Manchester Pals Battalion of the Manchester Regiment who served in World War I he was married to Bessie Mae and they had one daughter who was born July 20th 1914 so she was a little over a year old when this journal was being written from the trenches it continues December 1st 1915 it is exciting work sniping in fact one must curb

the tendency lest it should become a fascination the second in command of the e lance the east lancester regiment and myself put in a couple hours this morning and had quite a bit of fun worrying the botches in their trenches one fellow was walking across the open two thousand yards off when I spotted him and let go you never saw a chap move quicker in your life he ran for a tree and jump behind it and I let him have four more there whether I got him or not I don't know but he didn't move for the next half hour I know because I waited so anxiously for him last night or rather 1.30 this morning I got outside the barbed wire and got lost Three times I had to fling myself down in the wet grass bury my nose in it and grovel while the machine guns went chattering over me. It is remarkable with what speed one learns to adopt the prone position.

January 13th, 1916, I long and long to see you to clasp you in my arms and I long with all my heart to see my baby. How I love her. What hopes I have for her. What a sweet girl she will make. February 25, 1916, woke up this morning to find the snow pelting down and covering the ground fully five inches deep. Also, it was freezing hard. Cotton, a fellow officer, came into breakfast with us. He brought the little Bible, which another soldier, had taken from the body.

of a dead German on the fly leaf in a child's handwriting the word dada war is very sad perhaps the man may have done and been something to loathe and detest i do not know i am conscious of is that somewhere in his fatherland there is a little child who called him dada april 6th 1916 fritz strafed our new trenches with heavy and searched round the support with H.E. shrapnel and other such obnoxious stuff. One shell claimed three NCOs and wounded three men. We all feel wild to get at the beast, and I hope we may string him up on the wire. I saw the killed go down the line. It was a pitiful sight.

Poor boys, shell fire is a horrid thing. Gresty, a lad who is a sergeant of mine, was the worst, his body full of gaping hole. It was very very sad do those at home realize how their boys go out for them never can they do enough for their soldiers never can they repay the debt they owe Not that the men ask any reward but one day We'll get at him with the bayonet We'll take our price then for Gretzi and all the other hundreds thousands Gretzi slain as they or standing at their posts. June 17th, 1916,

I do not want to die. The thought that I may never see you or our darling baby again turns my bowels to water. My conscience is clear that I have always tried to make life a joy for you. But it is the thought that our babe may grow up without my knowing her

and without her knowing me. I pray God I may do my due to for I know whatever that may entail you would not have it otherwise in 23rd 1916 everything is speeding up to no end ammunition by the hundred wagon load is pouring up it should certainly not be for lack of ammunition if we do not make a huge success of the venture yet one cannot help feeling a little anxious and worried so much depends on this great throw and what he's talking about there in this part of the journal it reflects the build-up for the battle of the psalm and although charlie doesn't know exactly when

the battle is going to commence they're obviously only distributing that information with people that have the need to know they know that a major attack is forthcoming and that's why they've got all that ammunition piled up more than they could ever think they could possibly need. Back to the journal, June 28th, 1916. The moment seems very auspicious for us to strike. Perhaps we will on Friday. July 1st, 1916. We marched up to the assembly trench last night.

The most exciting march imaginable. Guns all around crashed and roared till some times it was, quite impossible to hear oneself speak it was however a fine sight and one realized from it what gunpower really means fritz of course strafed back in reply causing us some uneasiness and a few casualties before we even reached the line the night passed noisily and with a few more casualties the hun puts a barrage on us every now and then and generally claims one or two victims it is a glorious morning we go over in two hours time it seems a long time to wait and I think whatever happens we shall all

feel relieved once the line is launched no man's land is a tangled desert unless one could see it one cannot imagine what a terrible state of disorder it is in do not yet seemed to have stopped the machine guns these are popping off all along our parapet as I write I trust they will not claim too many of our lads before the day is over now I close this old diary down for the next few days since I may not take it into the line I will keep a record of how things go and enter it up later never took place and Charlie May was wrong about how many British soldiers would be claimed before the day was over. He didn't think it would claim too many, but as you know, the first day of the Battle of the Somme, July 1st turned out to be the worst day in history

for the British Army. And they suffered almost 60,000 casualties. 60,000 casualties in one day. And like I said, those casualties included Charlie May, who went over the top on July 1st under the cover of allied artillery he was leading B company and he and his men fought their way across no man's land and just as they reached German lines Charlie was hit by shell fire then killed and his diary was found by the man that eventually dragged him back to the trenches private Arthur Bunting who mailed the diary to Charlie's wife

Maude. The British have a steeped military history. And obviously this is the kingdom that we Americans rebelled against in the Revolutionary War and we fought them again in the War of 1812. And we actually had a bunch of other little various disputes with them until the late 1800s when during something called the Great Reproachment through various forces in the world are political objectives were aligned and we became the staunchest of allies with Great Britain through World War I and World War II and Korea and Vietnam and even up till now in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I've been lucky enough to work alongside Brits on just a couple occasions while I was in the military and there's no doubt that they are just out.

standing troops professional in everything that they do and they leave that impression on you you can actually feel the pride of their military tradition and tonight I wanted to take a at a look at a book that is part of that military tradition and the book is called serve to lead. And I'm going to start with some statements from the introduction to this version of the book. And the version of the book that I'm reading is the old version. I think it's from 1954 or 57, originally written right after World War II. And these comments here are from a guy named Robin Matthews, a former British Army officer, graduate of the Royal Military Academy Academy.

of Sandhurst that's like the British West Point he went on to command his regiment the light dragoons which included a tour of duty in Iraq in 2005 he also served with 16 air assault brigade in Helmand Province in Afghanistan and here's what he has to say about this book served to lead is a remarkable book produced by the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst after the second world war It is as clear and concise a treatise on leadership as you will find. It also provides a fascinating glimpse into what sets the profession of arms apart from any other. Serve to lead is synonymous with Sandhurst, placed on the bed of every officer cadet at the beginning of their military training.

Somewhere between prayer book, which is what I thought it was initially, and Bible, as it has often been referred, It lays out what is expected and what to expect. Unequivocally, it establishes selflessness, self-discipline, integrity, and duty as the bedrock of leadership. Excitingly, it speaks of courage and boldness as the essential differentiators upon which events turn and to which soldiers and leaders are instinctively drawn. There is so much to enjoy and consider on every page, but the most beguiling message of the book concerns humility leadership must be confident but unless it is matched in equal measure by humility it jars at which point the lead simply fall away if I am to lead you first and foremost I must be your servant like any good

book the clue is in the title in this case simple seemingly contradictory, but ultimately profound, serve to lead. And that's the intro to this book. And obviously there's a dichotomy of leadership. He's already talking about things that we talk about all the time. And yes, you've got to be confident, but you've got to be humble. And the title of the book is a contradictory, he's a dichotomy in its own sense, right? Serve to lead.

And like I said, this book, they actually have a new one. And I have the new one. I went with the old one and the reason I went with the old one is a couple things that we're gonna I'm gonna point out that clearly they've changed their thoughts on and Maybe we'll end up doing a compare and contrast with the new one there aren't that many differences, but there certainly are some very significant different differences and we'll get to those And this is going to kick off with a piece from the Lord Bishop of Durham It is the fact that some men possess an inbred superiority which gives them a dominating influence over their contemporaries and marks them out unmistakably for leadership. This phenomenon is as certain as it is mysterious. It is apparent in every association of human beings in every variety of circumstances and on every plane of culture. In a school among boys, in a college among the students, in a factory, shipyard or mine among the world.

as certainly as in the church and in the nation there are those who with an assured and unquestioned title take the leading place and shape the general conduct So there's an opinion and people ask all the time our leaders born are made that one right there is hey leaders are born And that's I I always say both I always say there's there's certain leadership qualities that people are born with and some people are born with and some people are born with a lot of them some people are born with a lot of those qualities some people are born with a lot less some people aren't born with any they're not gonna be much of a leader he doesn't matter how much you train them you can get them better but they're not gonna be a great leader and obviously some some leaders don't need much training there's very few of those leaders that just don't they just get

it out of the gate as just born that way I think it's a mixture of both and I think you're born with some leadership capabilities and the more you hone it, the more you work on it, the better you're going to be. Why would you think, or why do you think that is, is it? Because to be a leader, like the good, strong qualities that you got to have are so contradictory or counterintuitive? They're not even counterintuitive, but you can get better at all of them. You know, a couple, the one that's, for instance, some people are naturally talented,

or some people are naturally articulate people. so they're able to get their message across in simple, clear, concise language. That's very important. Now, if you're born with that, you're lucky, right? Good job. You were born with that. You were born an articulate person. If you weren't, guess what?

You're going to have to work at it. You're going to have to read. You're going to write. You're going to listen. You're going to practice speaking to people. And you will get better at it. So that's your example. Some people just have it naturally.

But even people that have it naturally will get better. at it over time I was always pretty comfortable speaking to people but obviously when I was in the military I spoke to people all the time and when I was in a training training situation as a young enlisted seal I was put up in front of the classroom to speak to people and I got better at it and then when I became an officer and a leader now I was briefing people and So I'm doing it even more and then I took over the training For the West Coast Seals and now I was briefing people all the time and and when I was overseas. I was briefing you know colonels and generals and okay you're gonna brief a bunch of of times you're gonna get better at it yeah I was already okay at it just naturally but I got better at it and I'm still getting better at it today so that's the

same with any of these particular talents you know being able to simplify things being able to detach those are all important leadership qualities you can have a certain level that you're capable at but the more you practice them the better off you're gonna be yeah yes so it's a combination yeah so how you say like Like there's it's pretty rare that you get somebody who's, you know, just has all the qualities right out the gate. Yeah, not, not, I can't, I've never met anybody that just just dominates in every category across the gate. Like detaching, for example, that's not, that's kind of counter to your natural way of being. Yeah, that's true.

Most people are going to want to get in there. Yeah. For sure. Now, I, I just thought of this example. I've talked about him a little bit on the, on the podcast when we had Tim Ferriss on Alton Lee Grizzard. He was my assistant platoon commander when I was at SEAL Team 1 and he got murdered. It was horrible, tragic situation. He was involved in a murder suicide.

But he had a lot of those capabilities. He had a lot like he was very articulate. He was the quarterback at the Navy football team. So we had like a real good presence to him. He spoke clearly. He was down to earth and yet, you know, very, he could elevate himself very quickly when He was talking to the certain you know if he needed to elevate himself. You just had a lot of those qualities very naturally and and

Guess what he was at the Naval Academy he played football he was constantly getting in front of you know getting in the huddle and telling guys what was gonna happen and You get good at that over time and part of that is so I don't know how much of it you know I didn't know him when he was a football player when he was in Eighth grade Maybe he was stammering and trying to put his thoughts together, but then he trained it over and over and over again and he got better at it And maybe by the time he got to me as a 23 year old lieutenant J G he was like oh we're gonna get in a huddle I'll tell you guys what's going on Yeah, yeah, and so you know even though it appeared to me like it was natural It probably wasn't it was probably trained you know he had some natural capability

But he played football his whole life and that was that Yeah, so in in a way you can kind of and this may be kind of interchangeable as far as the expression But you know you say natural capability It could be that they gain it through learning or whatever just through their environment you know like as as a kid you know yeah yeah so playing football and then they'll bring it to the training situation and they'll yeah but I think it's got to be a little bit of both right yeah yeah and you will get better at it but the more you focus on that particular skill like some people aren't very comfortable talking in you know even they're not even comfortable talking in a conversation right oh yeah yeah and so

if you end up with a kid like that well you got to get them out and socialize them and get him in get him in front of people talking all the time and that will be good for them yeah If you have someone that's if you got a kid or yeah if you got a kid or a young leader that doesn't know when to shut up right how are you going to because sometimes leaders are like that too. They want to hear themselves talk and they just keep talking all the time and guess what the more you talk the less people listen. So if I'm giving orders on every little thing that we've gotten to do in front of us eventually you're not listening to me anymore. And when something critical comes up, you're still not listening to me because I've been talking for the past six straight months won't shut my pie hole. so that's a bad situation so how do we get that person to quiet down it's both yeah so now we're going to hear from a guy named field marshal william slim i think bill slim is what they ended up calling him he was in world war one and world war two wounded multiple times i think three times led the 14th army in burma world war two and he also fought with the and So the the Australian New Zealand Army Corps at Gallipoli so you could say he's got a pretty good

View of things so he's this the believe it or not the first this this book kicks off with talking about morale And the morale of the troops so here we go back to the book morale is a state of mind It is that intangible force which will move a whole group of men to give their last ounce to achieve something without counting the cost to themselves that makes them feel that they are part of something greater than themselves now this is interesting so so he's talking about the importance of morale now going back to the subject we were just talking about back to the book I learned two that one did not need to be an orator to be effective two things only were necessary first to know what you were talking about and second and most important to believe it yourself so there you go

you don't need to be a great orator but you got to know what you're talking about and you got to believe it yeah those are two really good places to start he continues on talking about morale he says up a most potent factor in spreading this belief in the efficiency of an organization is a sense of discipline we tried to make our discipline intelligent but we were old-fashioned army and we insisted on outward signs we expected soldiers to salute and officers to salute in return both in mutual confidence and respect I encouraged all officers to insist whenever possible and there were few places where it was not possible on good turnout and personal cleanliness it takes courage

especially for a young officer to check a man met on the road for not properly saluting or for slovenly appearance but every time he does it adds to his stock of moral courage and whatever the soldier may say he has respect for the officer who does pull him up Now this is an interesting point right because what we're talking about here is oh I see Echoes you know not wearing his uniform correctly so I'm gonna go over and tighten you up That is you can see where you can see where people are probably thinking yeah joc will be all over that guy Right? No, actually wrong. That's that's actually wrong and what we're gonna talk about here is I'm gonna talk about what I call leadership capital You only have so much leadership capital in your bank

And you've got to decide what as a leader you're gonna spend that capital on And if I see you out a uniform or you're looking sloppy I've got to decide if it's worth me investing my leadership capital and going over and telling you that you need to tighten it up hey echo you need to get that hey sergeant Charles you need to get your uniform scored away you look like crap you're setting a bad example is that what I want to invest my leadership capital on now can it be sometimes yes absolutely and we've talked about the many cases where that occurs you know when you look at at Hackworth when Hackworth showed up to Vietnam as a battalion commander he tightened up their uniform standards immediately he tightened him up immediately he knew he needed to

invest that leadership capital he needed to start with the small things but If you're in a garrison situation and you see somebody that maybe isn't doing their, isn't wearing their uniform properly and you decide you're going to go tighten them up, I'm not, I'm not saying it's the wrong answer. And as Laif Babin will tell you, it's not what you preach is what you tolerate. And so if you tolerate the guys looking like crap,

they're just going to continue going down that hill of looking like crap. Now, to me, there's a certain point, right, that I won't let you go past. If you're a little out of the standard, maybe I'm going to let that one slide a little bit, right? But once you get to a point where you're looking like crap, well, guess what? I am absolutely going to tighten you up. And I'm going to explain to you why it's important. I'm not just going to go and yell at you.

No, not happening. So you've got to be careful how you ration your discipline and your leadership capital, right? If you just run around yelling at everyone or getting in everyone's face for every little thing that they're doing, Pretty soon you could look at that like well pretty soon They'll be scared of making a mistake, but that's that's the point now you got people that are scared of making a mistake Yeah now you're cutting off their ability and their desire to think freely So the bottom line with this balance you got to stay balanced in these things and don't waste your leadership capital I was talking to a guy the other day he was running a

off-site for his executive team and I talked to him and and he said man you know he was just junk and I said well what happened and he had showed up to the executive offsite and he's in the company and he's the guy that's running the off site and he gets there and he says all right guys no while we're here no cell phones so everyone put your cell phones away we need to focus this is a strategic meeting we need to we need to get this done so the guys put their cell phones away and they start the meeting he's he He says five minutes into the meeting, the CEO breaks out his cell phone, starts looking at it. A minute after everyone sees that, you got half the room looking at their cell phones.

And he went like, got kind of nuts on him. You know, this is, man, what's going on? And people aren't even paying attention. You know, after the first hour, he's this, you know, what's going on? And I said to him, I said, bro, let's look at what you just. So then he said, then he lost him. Like the meeting just went downhill. And I said to him, let's talk.

about what you did because you invested your leadership capital for this important meeting on telling people to not use their cell phones. Did you tell them why? He's like not really. Did you explain to them when they would be able to use their cell phones? No, I didn't. So you just went now this company is a financial company. They've got a lot of things going on. You can imagine the CEO of a big financial company's got a lot of important calls and emails to check and all that and all of a sudden he gets told no cell phone when is that going to end what what important thing is happening at my company today where I'm not allowed to talk on my cell phone and answer emails or look at look at my emails and I'm the guy yeah so

so when am I supposed to when would I be able to look at you didn't tell me that so he invested all of his leadership capital to get people to do no cell phones and he spent it and there wasn't any left and and the you know so you have to be careful now you have to approach it the right way right First of all, you could say, hey, listen, guys, we're going to power through a solid hour right now. I'm going to ask you, unless it's just critical, keep your cell phones put away, and let's power through this. Let's get some good conversation going, right? And in an hour, we're going to take a 20-minute break where you can catch up when you've got to catch up on, and then we'll do another hour after that.

So now people understand what's happening, and they understand why. And by the way, if everyone's on their cell phones, we're not going to get what we need out of this meeting. So you've got to explain, and you don't want to invest your leadership capital on things that don't matter. So if you're the senior guy in a leadership position and you're focused on some little Person that's out of uniform and that's what your focus is That's that's not a good focus to have right? You should set the standard and your subordinate leadership All the way down to the front where you've got like you and me are peers and I don't let you I'm the one not I'm not waiting for the boss to come by and tighten up a uniform I won't let you tighten up you I will I won't let you wear a crappy looking uniform

That's what I want. I want to have a gang mentality where we're self-policing because the minute I'm from the top doing that again, does this happen sometimes? Yes. I'm not setting out a black and white rule here. I'm giving the broad guidance that if you're Hackworth and you're taking over a battalion where people's lives are at risks and you know that there's slack everywhere and they're not doing a good job, you've got to go in there and tighten them up. And one of the best ways to do that is to go in there and start on the small things. but if you've got a functioning unit that there's nothing critical happening

and you're trying to build that team into something that's a winning team and the first thing you could do is go in and focus on some of these small things when you haven't really established yourself that could be problematic so think about those things when you're in those positions all right going back to the book

I do not say that the men of the four Army welcomed difficulties but they grew to take fierce pride in overcoming them by determination and ingenuity from start to finish they had only two items of equipment that were never in short supply their brains and their courage they lived up to the unofficial motto I gave them God helps those who help themselves and once again that's a same thing that Colonel Bill Reader said got to help yourself all right now we're going to move on to still still talking about morale we're going to talk to we're going to hear from field marshal bernard montgomery if you

don't know who that is monte world war one the anglo-irish war the palestine conflicts that disbar uprisings and world war two he You know, obviously ran the British 8th Army World War II. So we've once again, we've got a person with some very solid perspective on leadership and combat leadership. The quality of morale. Back to the book. In war, the moral stature of some men increases and their characters grow stronger and more closely knit in proportion to the discomforts and dangers they are called upon to face. Boom.

So some guys get better. Some guys rise to the occasion back to the book such men will occasionally perform in battle Remarkable acts of selfless courage and daring and will endure with Extraordinary fortitude and patience the burdens thrust upon them Other men however will under the stress of hardships or dangers surrender to fear or fatigue and allow their characters to disintegrate This disintegration will usually take the form of of a loosening of the moral fiber which results in timidity of action and slackness and appearance while those who have gone to seed will be dirty and their appearance will be sluggish and will be slovenly in these later cases there has been a general loosening of character due to partial surrender to fear so I totally agree with this you see in combat

situations people either get better or they get worse some people just kind of cruise right stay in that same zone but but some people they get better or they get worse they rise the occasion or they fall back to the book the good soldier the man with high morale has not surrendered to fear and has maintained his personal standards the bad soldier the man with low morale has become incapable of independent action and has to some extent shed a part of his human individuality. That's an interesting, that's an interesting statement, that the person that's incapable of independent action,

he's saying he shed some of his human individuality. Back to the book, basic factors of morale, we now must consider the factors, what factors constitute morale of the soldier in the heat of battle? Certain factors may be described as essential conditions, without which high morale cannot exist. These four basic factors are, one, leadership. Two, discipline.

Three, comradeship, and four, self-respect. A fifth factor, devotion to cause, must exist, but need not necessarily influence all the soldiers. Finally, there are numerous contributory factors, which are of great importance but are not essential conditions starting with this first one leadership morale is in the first place based on leadership good morale is impossible without good leaders human beings are fundamentally alike in that certain common characteristics apply to all men in varying degrees in battle the most important of these characteristics is fear all men are afraid at one time or another to a greater or lesser extent in moments of

fear they band together and look for guidance they seek for a person to give decisions they look for a leader the leader's power of decision results from his ability to remain calm in the crisis his greatest asset is the ability to act normally in abnormal conditions to continue to think rationally when his men have ceased to think to be decisive in action when they are periodized by fear a little bit of normal face from Monty act normally in abnormal conditions remain calm back to the book the object of training must be first to select those who possess them within them the potentialities of

leadership and secondly to develop these potentialities this is accomplished by giving the leader responsibility the leader's character will develop in proportion to the responsibility with which He has been entrusted. So there you go. He's saying the same thing that we were talking about earlier. You have certain potentials and you got to develop those and how do you develop them with people?

You want to develop leaders. You give them responsibility. You don't give them responsibility that's going to kill them, but you give them responsibility that's going to definitely test them and they're going to have to step up to be able to perform. Back to the book, the two vital attributes of a leader are. decision in action and be calmness in crisis given these two attributes he will succeed without them he will fail our great problem in peace is to select leaders

it's as leaders men whose brain will remain clear when intensely frightened so from Monty you got to remain calm now he's gonna talk about discipline the object of discipline is the conquest of fear There are two aspects of fear. Fear can suddenly attack a man through his imagination. A corpse in a ditch or a grave by the far side of the road will remind him of his position. He will suddenly realize that he himself is liable to be killed. It is a function of discipline to fortify the minds that it becomes reconciled to unpleasant sights

and accepts them as normal everyday occurrences. Fear can also creep upon a man during periods of monotony. the line at such time he will have the opportunity to appreciate the dangers which beset his life fear acting through his thoughts can so reduce the man's hardcore of courage that he will become nervous and fearful discipline strengthens the minds that it becomes impervious to the corroding influence of fear it teaches men to confine their thought within certain definite limits it instills the habit of self-control

That's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing assessment to think that one of the best premier tools to overcome fear is discipline. Back to the book, discipline implies a conception of duty. Nothing will be accomplished in the crisis by the man without a sense of duty. Makes sense. Now he's going to talk about comradeship. Back to the book, morale can not be good unless men come to have affection for each other. A fellow feeling must grow up, which will result in a spirit of comradeship.

An army is made of human beings. So that, however much a leader may inspire as men, however perfect the discipline, the morale will be hard and unsympathetic if the warmth of comradeship has not been added. Yeah, you've got to be the hardcore disciplinarian, but you need the warmth of comradeship. Back to the book, war, though a hard business is not necessarily a grim one. Men must laugh and joke together, must enjoy each other's company, and must get fun out of even life. It must get fun out of life even in times of danger. So do you want to have a good time?

Yes, you do. and the thing that makes these dangerous times more bearable is when you're having fun during them. And that's one of the things, you know, I don't talk a whole lot about seal training in here on the podcast, but one of the things that you do in seal training is you're doing miserable things, cold, wet, tired, and you're having fun the whole time. You're learning that, hey, guess what? I can sit here and be cold and it's miserable or I can be cold and I can laugh about it. And I can make fun of my friend the way he's shivering.

You know, that's what makes it bearable and the same thing happens when you get overseas and you joke about really dark things you know dark sense of humor that comes out real strong when you're overseas and One of my one of my buddies who was super paranoid I've talked about him on here before the guys The guys found a tube That had shipped like maps or something and if you pulled the tube apart real fast it sounded like a mortar a lot A mortar launch. Right. And so they'd get outside his tent and he was super paranoid. We spent a little bit of time getting mortared and so he was a little on edge from that.

Yeah. So they'd go outside of his tent, you know, and you can hear through the tent. It's just a little piece of fabric. They'd go outside of his tent and they'd pull that thing and it would sound like a mortar tube. And you'd hear him. He'd freak out, what the hell are you guys doing? Or, you know, at first you'd hear him like fall and like hit the ground and then you'd hear the giggling of the guys outside. And then you'd hear him cussing everyone out.

But yeah, but it was fun. It was funny. Too far, though. A little too far, maybe. But everyone's having a good time. And even him, you know, we'd get done and he would be come outside. You guys are bastards. And we'd laugh about it.

That's the kind of thing where you're, you've got to have fun in these tough situations. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. That's probably why, you know, like nowadays, like contemporary companies, they in court, like, you know, Jade's company, Frack mom, they got. Foozeball. Yeah, ping pong. I heard massive noises the other day.

Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. And I was kind of sounded like a mortar fire. It wasn't quite mortar fire, but there was something I didn't know what it was. And they were in a in a Nerf gun firefight. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, it was sloppy. Like no one knew what they were doing. No technique.

Yeah, there was no cover move happening. It was just all, every man for himself. I was pretty disappointed. Yeah. But that's the, but that seems like the reason, right? Yeah. It's, it's, I mean, these are, I mean, these are, I mean, I mean, I mean, conceptually, it's the same thing.

Obviously, you know, it's way different. No, actually, it's way different, but it's not actually not. Right. When you're going through tough things in a business, in a company, have fun with it. And when I work with companies that are good, good companies, and they're going through something tough, the ones that have good morale, the ones that are laughing, they're the ones that do better. Yeah. Who wants to go to work? Yeah.

If you don't enjoy the people you're working with. You know? Like, why would you want to do that? You know, one of the, one of the, I hate even call it the worst job. but I was the Admiral's age, right? So every day I'm wearing a uniform. I'm sitting at a desk all day. I did it for 13 months.

It was just that part of it. It's just a miserable job, right? Luckily, first of all, the Admiral's a great guy, and I joked around all the time with him, and his executive assistant is a guy that I would literally not, I would go two or three weeks at a time, and we wouldn't say one serious thing to each other. Just everything would be some joke about every all the misery that we were going through.

And by misery, I just mean, you know, hours worth of meetings and traveling all the time and being on the road and staying in crappy hotels and flights getting, you know, bumped and canceled and being held over. And the admiral's suitcase not showing up somewhere and he's supposed to go on stage. He doesn't have a uniform with them. And like that's, you know, not fun. But guess what? I had fun the whole time. And we'd be joking about, you know, I'd say, well, I guess I'm going to get, take, take one again for the team. And we'd be just laughing.

Yeah. So, yeah, even in these situations that aren't fun, have, you got to have fun with them. And that definitely will help out your morale. And if you're in a leadership position and all you do is just, you don't get, drown in the misery that you're going through. Every single person that's with you is going to be going through the same thing. And so as a leader, you got to, once again, going back to the dichotomy of leadership, you got to, you got to know when, okay, they're Guys aren't too much stress. They're not having fun.

I need to have fun. I need to start a Nerf war in the office here. So guys loosen up. And then there's times where, hey, guys are having too much fun. We got to tighten them up. Yeah, yeah. Like, hey, guys, we got this to do. And so you got to ride that line and balance it out correctly.

Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. Like, newer companies there are companies nowadays are incorporating that element into the actual. You know, you're talking about. Yes, you're right. And there's companies nowadays that do it too much and all of a sudden they can't get anything done. Yeah, they're messing around because everyone's playing ping pong, right? Everyone's in the Lego room.

Yeah. Because they got rooms now where it's like, oh, you go in there and think and play with Legos because that relaxes your mind, I guess. Not me. When I'm around Legos, I think I'm going to step on them. It's all right. Because I got kids. It's a ride deal. It's a nightmare.

So I don't like being around Legos. I got the PTSD from Lego stepping when I was, my kids were younger. Lego PTSD. You know, because you can't ever get your son enough. Legos apparently because they just need everything and when I was a kid there was not that many different types of Legos you had blocks Right long ones and shorter ones right now. Nowadays you get Legos but they have hands and arms and machine guns and they got cool stuff But they ain't Legos anymore. They're little toys

Right, right, right. They still come with the little Legos and they still hurt the bottom of your feet and step on They are surprisingly sharp for kids Major sharp you know major sharp. Yeah major sharp all right going back to the book he's the other thing he talked about self-respect no man can be said to possess high morale if the quality of self-respect is lacking and this is something that dick winters talked about to that self-respect and in how that drove him soldiers must be encouraged to respect themselves at all times and under all condition self-respect implies a determination to maintain personal standards of behavior a man who respects himself will allow neither himself to be come slovenly nor his quarters dirty even in action he will take care to see that his personal appearance suffers as little as possible it is the job of the non-commissioned officer to maintain this aspect of discipline it is the function of the officer to encourage and this instill self-respect so interesting he breaks that down a little bit

like I was talking about if I'm the senior guy and I'm around yelling at people about how they're looking that's not good that should be my subordinate leadership should be tightening that stuff up okay here's his conclusion again this is Monty talking in brief high morale has been defined as the quality which makes men endure and show courage in times of fatigue and danger the cultivation of morale depends on the training of leaders and inculcation of discipline the encouragement of comradeship and the infusing of self-respect the leaders must have a belief in their cause and they must pay attention to numerous contributory factors of

considerable but secondary importance we live today in a scientific age but we soldiers have to remember that the raw material in which we have to deal is men Man is still the first weapon of war. His training is the most important consideration in fashioning of a fighting army. All modern science is directed towards his assistance, but on his efforts depends the outcome of the battle. The morale of the soldier is the most important single factor in war. So there's Monty. and that's that can be said for just about any organization what your organization is made up

is people and you know you hear that with businesses all the time our people are most important assets that's generally going to be the case here's some now we get into the leadership the actual leadership section interesting again they start off with morale that's the first chapter now they move into leadership and you know clearly from what he just said morale is the most important thing in winning battle I don't know agree I think leadership is the most important thing now his number one is number one factor in good morale is leadership so I guess you know you could see where we're coming from a different angle but my my thought is a little bit different my

thought is the most important thing is leadership and I think that leadership covers other things just be besides the morale of the men because now we're talking about the strategy that you're using the tactics they're using everything is covered by leadership including morale yeah so you guys are looking at it from not opposite but just varying perspectives yeah he thinks leadership is part of morale you think yeah I think morale is part of leadership yes I think you have identified the situation correctly all right here's some more from Monty on leadership I would define

leadership as the will to dominate together with the character which inspires confidence a leader has got to learn to dominate the events What's surround him. He must never allow these events to get the better of him. He must allow nothing to divert him from his aim He must always be on top of his job and be prepared to accept responsibility So Monty's talking about ownership now what I have to caveat this with is You get these people that are single-minded right and that they're gonna dominate everything that's going on around them and they do that from a tactical perspective and not from a strategic perspective.

So, for instance, if you say, I must never, or I must dominate the events which surround me and must allow nothing to divert me from my aim, that can actually be problematic if it doesn't make strategic sense, right? So if I'm always worried about dominating everything that's going on around me

and the thing that's going on around me isn't really that important, I'm wasting my time on it. Yeah. So this has to, This has to be sort of offset a little bit by that economy of leadership, which is, yes, you want to dominate what's going on. But if what's going on isn't important, you need to let it go. You need to just let it go a little bit. All right.

So now we're going to hear from. And by the way, this book, this book served to lead, it's basically a bunch. I should have said this in the beginning, but it's a bunch of small excerpts. Bigger than quotes. Some of them are just quotes, which I don't. don't do a bunch of like hey just reading quotes I do a couple I'm gonna do a couple today but some of them are like you know two three four pages of people's views on leadership of which I'm pulling out some of the highlights and interestingly for the first time I was

going through some of this and I was like you know what I'm actually it was something that I've it's something that I've said a million times and so I said you know what I'm not actually going to highlight this again because I've said it over and over again again now clearly with discipline I just talked about it for 47 minutes and I probably always will when I get the opportunity but there's a lot more about discipline there's a whole section on discipline we'll get to all right now we're gonna talk we're gonna hear from a general John Hackett again World War II Afghan campaign as part of Market Garden which is the big airborne operation

the World War II then here's what he says I am a soldier in speaking of leadership I do so as a soldier and when I think about it as any soldier often must I do so in the context of battle pressures in battle are high and in battle as a consequence the problems of leadership stand out in bold relief and that's something very similar to what what I say which is combat is like life amplified and intensified wrote that in extreme ownership and that's What's what I'm talking about and because it's that way it's very easy to identify what's going on with the leadership it's a very the the the problems of leadership stand out in bold relief he said it better than me back to the book but

while battle may be unique the problems that it exposes are not right yes leadership problems and have been working for seven years with other companies and people that are not going to battle and guess what the problems that battle exposes are not unique to battle for leadership is concerned with getting people to do things and is most keenly needed when difficulties doubts and dangers are at their greatest in whatever sphere this is attempted the problems are essentially similar so anytime you've got a team you got trying to make them do something the problems are pretty much going to be similar back to the book i said that leadership was concerned with getting people to do things what i meant was

getting them to do things willingly so we don't want to just bark orders of people that doesn't work doesn't work in business doesn't work on the battlefield will it work for five minutes yes it will well I can I yell at you and get you to do something yep sure you're at on monster dot com looking for a new job and you get home back to the book a man really only gets a full response from the men he leads by something approaching complete fusion of his own identity with the whole that And they together form. So think about that if you're in charge of something and you're a leader You need to become that thing you need to become that team you need to become that goal

I like that one and you can see when people get possessed like you look at the modern business leaders today Those are people that you know Steve Jobs. He was like obsessed with the product He was Apple and that's one of those things that was so beneficial Elon Musk just like he is what he's trying to do Yeah back to the book successful military leadership is impossible without the leader's total Engagement in the task in hand and to the group committed to his care for its discharge and what's interesting about that was talking your brother Jade Charles not too long ago actually it was pretty long ago and he and he said something to me and it was like a big revelation to him and he was very is a very he had a good way of saying with what I'm just

reading about right now we were talking about something he was going to a meeting and he was going to be you know talking about something there was some controversy about where they were gonna go and and he said that the person that cares the most wins and that's a great statement it's very true is not a hundred percent true put the the percentage is very high up there because if I just care about something so much and I'm gonna drive with it further than you if I care about this decision more than you do I got a really good chance of winning yeah really good chance of winning yeah kind of seems like that translates into any goal yeah any go more you care about it the

the more probability yeah I guess the only the only place where it becomes problematic is if I I care about something you know at 97 level 97 and you care about with a opposite decision you're also at level 97 oh dang yeah now we got an issue yeah now we got a problem because we're both going to think we're going to win and we both believe that we need to win so now it's going to now we got an ego scenario going on and things become problematic and you know the where this just becomes stupid is in the when you hear people having political I would use an air quotes on that one, political debates around something.

Yeah. You know, and this person totally believes 100%, and this person totally cares 100% and they're going to go nuts on each other. And they don't listen to anything that the other person says and you end up with a big disaster on your hands of nonsense. Yeah,

a lot of those, what would be, political diet, that's another one. Yeah. You know, I was listening, I was listening to our podcast.

Sure. And what were we talking about? We were talking about, oh, it was talking about watching people in the news. And that's a classic situation where you got somebody on a three-minute segment. Oh, yeah, yeah. And one person is, you know, the hardcore in this direction. The other person is the hardcore in the other direction. They both care.

They both care a lot. Neither one of them is going to win. They actually, that goes the next, that's the next realization, is that if you're going up against person that cares as much as you do, you actually have to take a backstep and find another way. You have to flank them because you're not going to be able to win them by going head-to-head they care as equal to you. Yeah. So you've got to find a new solution. Yeah.

Otherwise, you know what you'll do? Expend all your ammunition, charging machine gun nests and you will die. Yeah, yeah. That you don't want to do that. If you care as much as me and I don't have the same opinion, I've got to flank you. Yeah, a lot of these. Probably going to let you think you just won the argument in order to flank you, too, by the way. Yeah.

Yeah. the um again political religion diet how to raise kids you know all these are all yeah what you call it things that you're not supposed to talk to or talk about around the thanksgiving dinner day yeah they get heated real quick and you and a lot of times we're talking about you know people or not people but we talk about how much someone cares about it right a lot of times the things they get mixed up is how much you care about it versus how much you care about your stance on it yeah so they're subtly different but it but it's And wrap, then you've got to put your ego into both those.

Right. Because my ego, I don't want to admit that I'm wrong. Right. Don't want to do that. That means you care about your stance. So when you make it about yourself, but if you care about the issue, like if I say, if me and you were having a debate about kettlebell workouts or something, and I like dumbbells, you like kettlebell, but I really care about the issue and the issue is what's the best

exercises. Right. If I truly care about what the best exercise is and not about my stance on what the back, I'm going to care about the real answer, whether it's my answer or not. So that's why I think, like political, all these other things, they have that. And it is. It's just like how you said, it's the ego, natural thing. But they wind up caring more about their stance on it than they do the actual issue.

You know? For sure. Don't let that happen. I don't watch out for that one. So, yeah, the 90s set, not 97, but the person who cares the most wins doesn't apply to someone's individual stance on something. It applies to Subjects. And it also doesn't apply to, you know, a jih Tzu match

Because I might really care about winning You know, I was thinking about this the other day Because that's another thing, people say mental, oh, it's all mental And here's an example, Alex Honnold, who's a rock climber Who just climbed El Capitan in Yosemite, which is 3,000 feet tall And people say, oh, it's all mental And people say things, you know, if you want something bad enough, you can do it. You put me on that rock

there's some crux move like 2,000 feet up 2,000 feet up that's really hard and you're smearing, which is this technique and rock climbing where you don't, and I've done it before and I'm like the lowest white belt. I'm not even a white belt. I'm like someone gave me my white belt and rock climbing. I'm not like a legit, but I know I've tried things. I go to Yosemite and I'll play around on the rocks and everything. But I've tried this thing. It's called smearing and you're basically just using the tread or just the bottom of your rock climbing shoes on flat granite and you can create enough friction that you can you can move up it and some people are really good at it i suck and you know you got you got your hand holds you're working too but you're using your feet and it's this really weird

balance that you have to do because if you push too hard into the rocks they i mean your feet slip off and if you don't push hard enough you don't get any lift so it's this really really fine like balance you've got to have and apparently there's one move or this one series of moves on this climb that he did that is some you have to smear and of course this is very natural for him but apparently he climbed that section with a rope like six or seven times just to make sure it felt good and all that stuff here's my point even if it wasn't smearing part even if it was just holding on to rocks right at 2,000 feet I would absolutely want Really really badly to hold on to the rocks. I don't have the muscular strength to do it. I mean the things that he's holding on to

Are smaller than with the first pad of your fingers. That's what he's holding on to Tiny and we were doing this the other day at my house remember yep that little thing you actually had had better had stronger grip than me on the on the on the climbing board that I have at my house Yeah, but I could I could couldn't even hold on or I could hold on for five seconds and you like had no it did you? Did you? hold on to the really small one yeah yeah that's legit I can't even hold on to that thing so if I was 2,000 feet up and I really really really really really really wanted to do it and I was all mentally in the game guess what I'm falling to my death right because I don't have the strength to do it yeah I don't have the physical strength and I need to build it and okay you could say and that that's

might be an acceptable answer okay if you really have the mental strength and will to do it then you'll train train super hard right but at that moment not not going to help me I'm falling to my death right yeah I think that's not a metaphor but like a it's a it's like a romantic thing yeah yeah yeah yeah you want it bad enough you can do it no actually not true I want to I want to take the extreme version I want to stay alive I'm 2,000 feet up I want really badly to stay alive doesn't matter I can't get across that section I can't don't have the hand strength to do it not happening yeah but they're making a movie about that I can't to see it about Alex Honnold climbing that rock.

Jimmy Chin is the famous kind of photographer guy that they went and documented the whole thing and apparently one of the articles said that during that crux moments Alex Honnold was like hey when we get to here just like back off with the cameras He apparently was like you know just back off the cameras when I go through you know section 94 alpha Cause why I think he thought he didn't need any cameras around real close when he might fall to was death it's that heavy yeah like well or is it because it might break his concentration or both I don't know I don't know but that's crazy yeah have you ever been you know somebody no it's it's El Capitan is 3,000 feet straight up of granite it takes people three four five days to climb up it he climbed it in

three hours and 45 minutes with a chalk bag and a pair of shoes three It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous 3,000 feet. That's very tall echo you're trying to imagine it. Let me help you know taller than anything you've ever seen. It's taller than a than a skyscraper in San Diego. It's huge and he climbed it with no ropes. That means there's no rest. That means there's no break. Yeah, and it means there's no mistakes. You can't make a mistake if you make a mistake you die. Yeah Crazy very impressive I don't even know why we're talking about Alex Arnold right now. Oh, because we're talking about the mental will Yeah, yeah whoever believes it the most

Yeah Whence whoever believes the most wins. Oh, cares about it. Sorry, not believes it. Yeah, and as much as I care about staying alive I wouldn't be able to pull it off. Yeah, I think in Jade's situation that it did make sense though, you know, because you're you know No, I'm actually saying it does make sense. Yeah, it does make sense and that's why I was able to do a lot of stuff that I've been able to do in my career When I was in the military a lot of the stuff that I was able to get done I was able to get done because I cared about it more than anybody else Okay, yeah, I remember like you think you're gonna You know you think you're gonna outperform my task unit I care about this so much I don't care

I I care about this so much you're not gonna be able to compete with me Yeah because you might think all get there at five o'clock in the morning I've been there for an hour You might think I'm gonna have my guys drill this ten times I'm gonna have my guys drill at 20 times I can't I don't care about this too much for you to win. You can't beat me. You can't beat me. It's not gonna happen. I care about this too much.

Not in a bad way, not a selfish way. I care about this is I love this. This is everything to me. You know how you have other things going on and you got your wife and you got your family and you got this other thing going on in your life and you got goals that you want. I don't care about any of those things.

This is all I care about. So therefore you can't compete with me. And that's pretty cool. It's a cool place to be. Right. And get overseas. People are thinking about all these other things. You don't care about anything.

I don't care about anything else. This is the only thing I care about. So it ends up getting boiled down to just not stopping, right? Not quitting, not giving up. Yeah, that definitely plays a role. That definitely plays a role. And, of course, there's got to be balance. Because if, let's say I don't care about, let's say, you know, my focus is 100%

my SEAL task unit. But then I forget about the fact that we're working with other army units. And the only thing I care about is my unit. Well, no, actually, I need. to care about the mission more right I need to care about our strategic where we're going strategically because otherwise I'm thinking I just want to get my guys taking care of I just want to get my guys more work I just want to get no actually I do what care what trumps my care for the task unit was care for the mission of what we're trying

to accomplish now luckily those two things are completely aligned so there was never any time where I was thinking oh should I do this to benefit the task unit or benefit the mission no no if it benefited the mission it benefited the task unit It benefited the mission period So I care about those things You can have a hard time compete with me And luckily in Ramadi there wasn't any competition We were all working together

That's what was so amazing about it Yeah was army Marine Corps Us everyone was just working together To accomplish missions Because that's what you get When you get a nasty battlefield You get people working together All right

Another piece This is a guy named General Moncel. War is preeminently the art of the man who dares to take the risk, of the man who thinks deeply and clearly, of the man who, when accident intervenes, is not thereby cast down, but changes his plans and disposition with the readiness of a resolute and reflective mind, which so far as is possible, has foreseen and provided against difficulties.

that's what we're talking about oh accident intervenes cool good I'm not cast down change plans adapt back to book no now no man can inspire confidence in others who is not confident in himself and self-confidence comes from knowledge a thorough understanding of modern weapons and organization tactics and the details of administration affecting all those under his command must therefore be a by every leader he must show his troops that he can plan soundly lead resolutely and deal promptly and effectively with the unexpected in addition to gain full confidence of his troops a leader must have their personal friendship and trust I like that again I've there was a there was a seal officer that once was briefing guys and said if if your guys if you if your people like you they then they they uh You're not doing a good job. Yeah.

And not true. He's actually saying they need your trust and personal friendship and trust. Yeah. Weren't you saying something like that, that even that, you can't push that too far? Well, of course. Yeah, you gotta have balance. The dichotomy of leadership. You can't be such close friends that you're choosing, that you're putting one person

as more important than the mission or the team. Yeah. That's the dichotomy of leadership. Okay. Now he puts together this. list, which, yeah, we're feeling pretty good about this one. A short list to leadership given as follows. Perfect your military knowledge, study the use of weapons, their tactical handing, the enemy's character and methods, and way to make use of ground. So I don't care what job you're in. Apply those,

right? Know your tools. Know the enemy. Know your competitor. Next, study the men under your command know them well and be known to them gain their confidence by your knowledge energy and skill and by your interest in their welfare always be cheerful with them however you may feel teach yourself to think out reasoned appreciations leading to clever but uncomplicated plans quickly and unhurriedly so there you go keep things simple know your people get the I like says know your people get them to know you too you yeah that's important next study methods of deception and make full use of them always aim at misleading the enemy always seek surprise keep your object

clearly before you concentrate your efforts and resources at the decisive point always think well ahead prioritize and execute work out the best methods of control in different tactical situations practice them constantly Study the situation carefully. Don't waste any time. Make up your mind and stick to it. Get out your orders quickly. Make certain that everyone clearly knows what you intend to be done.

Commander's intent. Maintain the initiative. Make opportunities and seize them at once. I like that. Make opportunities. Boy, do I like that. Don't wait for them to come. Be prepared to take risks, but don't be foolhardy.

Know your commander's intention and act in accordance with it. Don't wait for orders. Inaction is always wrong. So there you go. This is just reiterating things that I talk about all the time. Never take counsel of your fears. Think of the enemy's difficulties and how you can take advantage of them. Remember that it is willpower that wins.

Oh, he's going off. He's not talking about caring. He's talking about will. Which will goes a long way. Never relax your efforts until victory is won. Attend to the comfort of the troops before you think of your own. This is all just phenomenal stuff. Be loyal to your superiors and your subordinates.

Express your views clearly and frankly, but when a decision has been reached, fully support it. And stop all criticism. Never take shelter behind others. when things for which you are responsible have gone wrong. Take some ownership. Oh, I like this one. Refrain from jealousy, resentment, and self-seeking. Be tactful.

Never make friction. Be thoughtful and considerate, but maintain firm discipline. Think about how bad. Just think about the dichotomy of that. Be thoughtful and considerate, but maintain firm discipline. Never order troops to do what you are not prepared to do yourself Never give an unnecessary order That's a good one think about that one never give an unnecessary order and I'll tell you why I like that one

Is because if you're doing a good job as a leader orders should barely even be necessary Yeah, they should barely even be necessary I talked about this with Laif the other day I I mean I'm sure we could go back through you know the history of tasking a bruiser but as we were having a conversation we were working with a company I don't think I ever gave an order to either one of my two platoon commanders either Leif or the Delta platoon commander I don't think I ever said This is what you're gonna do that's an order like you see in the movies. That's what I was gonna ask do they say that? Do they ever say that? Does anyone ever say that? I It's an order if you yes it can be said yeah I'm trying to think I'm sure it's been I

I think it's been said to me before no more like an admit like not administrative situation actually I don't know if anyone's ever said it to me before like that's an order I don't know if I'm trying to think of there's been some situation where someone said to me like hey basically like you've pushed far enough jaco you stand down like I've gotten one of those before like hey we get it jaco you care about this a lot it's not happening stand down I'm Got some I especially got those when I was a little younger Like when I was a young enlisted guy I'd be driving with an idea. I'd just be wanting to crush it and and people would be kind of saying hey

Well, no, we can't ball and be like no, why can't why can't we? Why won't we do this? Why want? Why won't we do this? This is the smart thing to do you know it's the right thing to do and I would just eventually get like the little hey stand down. We're not doing it Okay, you know what I'm gonna do become an officer. I want to have to listen to you anymore So yeah, I think I've got a couple stand downs in my time Stand down, that's an order. Because yeah, that's an order that when you think about or anyway, when I think about it, it really does seem like a movie line. Yeah, and the thing is, that means that you have not done a good job as a leader.

If I have to say that's an order, that means I haven't done as good job as a leader. That means you don't understand the mission, you don't understand the intent, you don't understand, I haven't conveyed it to you properly. And the only way I can get you to listen is by saying that's an order. Yeah, pulling rank. Yeah, pulling rank on you. That's not a good, not a good situation.

Back to the book, never overlook failure to carry one out. So it's never given unnecessary order. Never overlook failure to carry one out. Some people will have to chime in with their opinions on that one. Never overlook failure to carry one out. I'm not sure on that one out. What does that mean to carry one out? That's what I'm saying.

I don't know. It says, it says never order troops to do it. You're not prepared to do yourself never give an unnecessary order never overlook failure to carry one out to carry out in order Yeah to carry one out never overlook failure to carry one out I'm not sure what he means by that Well I'm sure some people will give us some opinions on that one Yeah on the Facebook you want I release Keep fit yourself and make certain that your men do to keep your own nerves under control or

and study your men's good for like when you want to comment if you're listening and you want to comment you have an opinion on that one Put it on the Facebook post so it can follow the conversation as opposed to Twitter which is 140 characters You know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah It's easier to see it on Facebook when there's a legit question or someone has some legit big feedback If you put it on the thread for podcast number 81 when I post it That's the place to put in there in the repos Yeah, when I can like converse back on that subject Without having to go through 17,000 tweets

Yeah, yeah, I mean you go back and forth And this guy replied to him, but not him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's all laid out on Facebook So it's a good place to have those little conversations Twitter, we have different kinds of conversations. Sure Last of all, remember that success in war depends more than anything else on the will to win Cool again now we got Monty saying Morale is the most important. We got Jocko saying

leadership is the most important, and you got Brigadier General Moncelle saying that the will to win is the most important. I'm not going to actually argue with either one of these guys. These guys are all, got all kinds of experience

but much more intense than mine. Speaking of intense experience more than mine, there's a guy, a pseudonym meaning a fake name basilisk and the guy wrote something called talks on leadership and the guy's actual name was Alfred Byrne and he was a World War I and World War II veteran and he was a military historian and he's got a little section in here it's called being straight there is one trait in the character of a leader

that above all things really counts, and it perhaps counts in war even more than in peace, being straight. No amount of ability, knowledge, or cunning can ever make up for not being straight. Once those under him find out that a commander is absolutely straight in all his dealings with them and free from the slightest trait of self-interest other than the self-interest of which we are all guilty

when striving for victory of causes we believe to be right they will love him as their leader trust him work for him follow him and should the occasion arise die for him with the fundamental ability of the British soldier which comes to the surface when things are at their worst so being straight with your people very important very important in fact perhaps his most important above all so now we got another factor that's the most important thing

now I'm going to hear a little on leadership from field martial lord herring once again World War I and World War II veteran he also fought in the second battle of

alamine he was wounded lost some fingers recovered Got back to the fight. So he says about leadership here, there are some people who believe that leadership is something which is inborn or which you acquire automatically at a public school. But neither of those things are true. There are certain fundamental qualities which affect leadership and which depend to a very large extent on upbringing and the moral and spiritual values which you can learn, which you learn in your family and in your environment as a young man.

But there is no special way, nor is there any special cast. or class, which has the prerogative of leadership. There are many forms of leadership. Political parties have their leaders. Every big organization in industry or commerce all have their leaders. And at the other end of the scale, so do dance bands, and so do gangs of thieves and smugglers. There are many qualities that apply equally to every type of leader, but you and I are concerned with one particular type of leadership, to my mind, the highest type of all and that is leadership on the battlefield.

And I believe it to be the highest type because it has to be exercised under conditions of great difficulty and considerable danger. I would like to be quite, I would like you to be quite clear about the conditions under which you will have to exercise leadership. You will frequently be tired. You may also be cold and wet and hungry and thirsty. You may be dripping with sweat or you be freezing with cold you won't know precisely what is going on you won't know exactly where the enemy is you certainly won't know what he is going to do or what his capabilities are of doing anything you may not know where your own people are or what they are going to do to put it briefly you've got to be able to

exercise leadership and conditions of fatigue and fear uncertainty and ignorance and often in isolation that is what makes it extremely difficult and that is why leadership on the battlefield calls in my view for the highest qualities many qualities are required in leader different people have different views about which are more important in my opinion there are five outstanding mental and physical moral and spiritual qualities without which you cannot hope to be successful and a good leader on the battlefield the first

of those qualities is a mental and physical one and that is fitness. Absolute fitness of mind and body. So make sure you're getting your morning physical training in. Physical fitness, mental fitness. Next, then I would say you've got to have complete integrity. You've got to be honest not only with yourselves, but with the men you lead and the people with whom you work. And honesty and integrity are things that you cannot compromise with. You cannot alter. If you do, you will lose confidence and you will not be able to lead. You must have complete integrity.

So that's the same thing as being straight. Not after that. Not in any next after that, not in any order of priority. But this is how I have put them down deep in my mind. There is an enduring courage pretty well everyone can be brave for a few minutes most of us can if we steal ourselves to it take one pledge or make one decision or incur one risk But the sort of courage you must have to lead on the battlefield is an enduring courage and one that you will go that will go on when other people falter one that will enable you to do what you know to be right irrespective of the danger or the difficulty contrary off contrary to the advice of well-meaning friends. So, got to have courage.

Next, then you must have daring initiative. Initiative means doing right away what you might. If you had time, think of doing a few minutes later. I like this. If you wait for things to happen to you, they will happen, all right? and here I am quoting the words of my predecessor also spoken here they will happen to you but they won't be what you like and they certainly won't bring you success initiative means seeing at once and very quickly what needs to be done making up your mind to do it

and then seeing it through to the bitter end so I love that one if you wait for things to happen to you they certainly will A little bit more on willpower here. Then you must have undaunted willpower. The willpower is the motive power. It is what enables you to make yourself fit in mind and body to produce in you in your heart, the courage, the enduring courage that I spoke of, to give you the courage to do your duty and to make the sacrifice that may be called from you. It is the willpower that forces you to take the initiative, to make the plan, to do what is required,

to see it through and that willpower must be undaunted. It must never allow itself to be overcome or subdued. Perhaps the finest example living today of the power and influence for good of man with undaunted willpower is our prime minister. In one of the critical periods of the last war, he spoke certain words, I am going to quote you now. He said, all the great struggles in history have been won by superior willpower. resting victory in the teeth of odds or upon the narrowest of margins. It is the willpower that is superior that can rest victory in the teeth of odds. That is the type of willpower that has got to be developed in a leader on the battlefield.

mobilize your will. Now he talks about some other qualities. He talks about knowledge. He talks about judgment. He talks about team spirit saying because you cannot get success on the battlefield by yourself You've got to work with other people so obviously as a leader You have to have that spirit of teamwork and Closing out he says there's one other thing I would like to say to you as British officers. You will never have all you want all you need

You'll be short of this or that or the other sometimes you will be short of men or Other times your equipment or weapons may not be as good as you think they ought to be, nor will you have as many as you would like. You may be short of ammunition. You may also be short of food and water or other necessary things. When these circumstances arise, as they do often throughout your service, both in peace and war, there is only one motto, and that is to make certain that you do the very best you can with what you've got.

Don't bellyache about what you have not got, but get on and make certain you do your utmost with what you have got. Now, to sum up what I've tried to say this afternoon, I would like to put it like this. First, keep fit, absolutely fit, then be honest, honest with yourselves and honest with those with whom you work. Then have courage and make it an enduring courage. Next, be bold, be daring. and when there is a choice, take the bold and daring course. Make the very most of what you have got, and never, never, never, give in.

Yes, do what you can with what you've got. Until you really liked that one night. Sometimes it starts hitting me. Next, there's a chapter in this book, which is called Discipline, which makes me very happy. And again, I tried to censor myself from not just doing the entire chapter. Obviously, you can buy this book if you want to see the whole thing. There's some great points.

This first one is from Field Marshal Earl Weavell, who was in the Boer Wars, and he was in World War I and in World War II. lost his left eye in the battle of Ibrose so we're talking a warrior here that was went back for service here's what he said about discipline discipline is teaching which makes a man do something which he would not unless he had learnt that it was the right the proper and the expedient thing to do at its best it is instilled and maintained by pride in one's self in one's unit in one's profession only at its worst by fear of punishment so he's talking we want self-discipline we don't want imposed discipline that's what he's saying you don't want you doing this because you're scared of me if you don't do what I tell you I'm going to

beat you that's not what I want I want you saying I'm going to do this because I want to do it here's a little something from Monty here and we're going to get some disagreements going to disagree with Monty sorry Monty Wish you were here to defend yourself. Okay, on discipline, Monty. The basis of training must be self-discipline. Cool. A man must learn to be the master of himself

and to keep in subjection the bad qualities in his makeup. Self-discipline can be developed by training in such things as conception of duty, self-control, self-respect, endurance, and so on. We then have collective discipline, and there's no doubt that the initial training in this subject is best carried out by drill men must be taught instinctively to obey orders

whatever they are I do not believe men will fight voluntarily for a cause without the iron bonds of discipline the best form of discipline is subordination of self for the benefit of the community so I'm going to make some comments on those number one when you're saying that you should obey orders regardless of what they are don't agree I don't agree with that I want my men to question my orders I want them to if I'm telling them to do something that they don't think is smart I want them to question me I want them to come up with them a better solution that's how we're going to win even the the moral thing to right like to obey orders regardless oh yeah if they're immoral oh for sure for sure I want my whole team to behave this is the wrong thing to do we shouldn't be doing it yeah next the

other one he says here is he says that people won't fight for a cause without the iron bonds of discipline I don't believe that that's true either and I think if you look at American history guys the we didn't have this strict level of course there's there's discipline of course in the military there's imposed discipline in the military but the things that people and all all Soldiers have accomplished without strict imposed discipline is they've given their lives over and over and over thousands and thousands and thousands And hundreds of thousands of cases where men have given their lives not because Not because I said or because the leader said go and charge this machine gun nest that's that's that's not why they did it

They did it because they believed in the cause So I don't agree with that one I think that men will fight voluntarily for a car Because without the iron bonds of discipline and you know when I think they do it? I think they do it when that cause is freedom So when the cause is freedom. I believe men will fight without the bonds of discipline over them And this idea that the best form of discipline is the subordination of self for the benefit of the community I don't actually agree with that one either I think the best form of discipline is when there is when there is alignment in the discipline the discipline for the team and the individual bring success and survival and freedom and when those things are aligned that's when I

think you get the finest form of discipline now he recovers a little bit from my criticism here and of course to everyone that is wondering why I'm sort of of making fun of myself it's pretty embarrassing to be sitting here and disagreeing with a guy like Monty so please don't take me the wrong way just giving my opinion here and I'm in no way comparing my military knowledge with General Montgomery and he does say this the basis of all discipline is self-discipline which this is beautiful and I agree with that a hundred percent This self-discipline may come from within a person or may be imposed upon him from without

Don't agree that'll only last a little while whatever its source it involves the idea of Self-control and self-restraint that is true but there is I think it's called Situational discipline I think or what is that I could I could have the expression wrong but I think it is Situational just meaning like if you're in a certain situation, you'll have, you'll be really self-disciplined. But once you get out, you're not.

You know, like, I don't know, you ever, you ever watched? No. You've watched the big thing. There's a show called The Biggest Loser. No. So, yeah, it's a bunch of overweight people. It's people that are having weight problems. They go on a show.

They get fed certain things made to work out. Yeah. And they lose a bunch of weight. Yeah. And then they win the program. And then when they go back home and they're not around that, impose discipline right they lose it right that's my point yeah my point is that that imposed discipline it works yeah while you have the imposer yeah they're watching you yeah what I would

prefer is to have someone that makes a change in their mindset and develops self-discipline right now sometimes you can get that from imposed discipline and you realize like you get shown the freedom that it discipline gives you and then you carry on with it like a lot of people that listen to the podcast and they've done incredible things with their lives because we weren't there to impose discipline on them but they recognize themselves maybe they said okay you know what i'm gonna get up for the next two weeks i'm gonna get up early i'm gonna work out and i'm gonna eat healthy two weeks go by they've lost a little bit of body fat they've gained a little bit of muscle and they feel good right and all of a sudden they realize the benefits of discipline and so they change their

mindset they become more disciplined human beings yeah that's what i like yeah what i don't like is it I'll run a boot camp on you and yell at you and screaming but this is another thing people want me to yell and scream I get that I think once or twice a day someone will say you need to make an alarm clock where you'd yell and tell us to tell me to get out of bed Yeah, and I say get psychological warfare, but I'm not going to yell in psychological warfare because yelling isn't an effective tool Compared to actually speaking to someone and letting them understand why it's important. Yeah, that's the preferred tool Occasionally do you got to yell at people? occasionally yes you do occasionally not very often though yes pretty rare huh but yeah that yeah you're right now with that situational discipline because even

think about what's worse somebody yelling at you or someone whispering at you it's actually worse isn't it someone yeah in a lot of ways yeah to me it's worse sure yelling and screaming it just doesn't no and it really doesn't really matter what they're saying either if you choose with yelling or whisper because like you know even if they're telling you normal thing like hey um here this is what I want from the store I want avocados tomatoes and you know some wine but what if I whisper it to you that might freak me out actually give me give me some yeah yeah so you're not sure about that example exactly no no you get

that that's the point doesn't really matter what they're saying whispering versus you know yeah definitely has a different psychological effect for sure because that definitely freaks me out you being hey jaku you pick up a bottle of wine for us no actually I can I'm leaving Yeah, the wine kind of makes it extra awkward for sure. All right. So now we get into another part on discipline right here, and this is Sir John Fortescue. I want you to pay attention to this one, because then we start going sideways. I have in my mind rather those excellent but generally unthinking persons who shrink with horror from the idea of a man's abdicating his civil rights.

What they say. a man must obey even an unjust command under pain it may be of death it is monstrous for purposes of civil life it might be monstrous but not for the purposes in of implicit obedience which is the thing that matters in the army let there be justice as far as possible by all means but as a general principle it is better for an army that an injustice should be done, then that an order should be disobeyed. This, however, is an argument that cannot appeal to our imaginary objector because he has read no military history.

So that's just very disturbing this whole thing, and it really doesn't comply with anything that I say, which is, I want you to question orders. And if they're not good orders, you shouldn't obey them. And he's saying, no, no, no, it's better to do something unjust as long as you're obeying orders and I did a little bit of research about John Fortescue and you know obviously I don't agree with this and actually in the new version of the book he the the guy that writes the forward to the new version of this specifically calls out John Fortiskew and says we removed him the him he's gone from the book and what I

found out about him was yes he was in the army he was Major in the army, but I don't think he was in any combat and what I do know is that he was the Royal Librarian from 1905 Until 1926 and he died in 1923 so he didn't go to World War I really all these other guys are world war one World War I World War II veterans He was the like the royal librarian and it's interesting when he says because he has read no military He doesn't said because he's never been in combat before He says he's read

The person that would object to this has never read military history. Well, actually, yeah, he's going with the theory. Yeah, he's going with the theory. Yeah. And if you want to take this and stretch it out more broadly, this attitude, you know, I hate World War I. I hate World War I because it was so based on obedience. And you are going to charge, we are going to charge this trench, all 7,000 of us are going to charge tomorrow morning. at zero six thirty we're gonna go over the top we're gonna get mowed down my machine guns

and then then people are gonna fall us and do the same thing and they guys were so obedient and brave and just selfless to do that but this attitude is what made that war so devastating because no one said hey wait a second this doesn't seem smart to me I just watched you know a two three four Italians are two, three, four regiments get mowed down. And now you're telling me I'm going to do the same thing tomorrow with my men. No, I want you to question my orders. I want you to say no.

If I'm making you do something that doesn't make sense, I want you to say no. And if I can't explain it to you in a logical way, then I should rethink what I'm saying to you. So, Mr. John, Forduskew. We're gonna have to say that we've kind of changed our opinion on on obedience and there are more important things than obedience in a team in a military team and in the business world Here's another piece from this is going back to general Williams Slim any army without discipline is no more than a mob Alternating between frightened sheep and beasts of prey Discipline as the British soldiers demonstrated in peace and war is the old Christian virtue of unselfishness of standing by your neighbor your comrade it is the sacrifice of a man's comfort inclination

safety even life for others for something greater than himself it is the refusal to be the weak link in the chain that snaps under under strain and this is a great little story here one paragraph back to the book once from the safety of a well-dug command post I looked down on a battery of all artillery in action in the African bush. It was firing at five rounds per gun per minute. And idly, I timed the nearest gun. In that area, the enemy, unfortunately, had complete local air supremacy and guns unless engaged in some vital tasks were ordered to remain silent whenever hostile aircraft appeared. Gradually, dominating,

all other sounds came the dull drone of bombers flying low but the guns went on firing five rounds per gun per minute for they were supporting an infantry attack move by the way the first stick of bombs fell around the gun I was watching some of its crew were hit the dry brush roared into flame which spread instantly to the camouflage nets over the gun It vanished from my sight in smoke and flame. Yet from the very midst of that inferno, at the exact intervals came the flash and thud of the firing gun.

Five rounds per minute per gun. Never a falter, never a second out. No weak link there. The discipline held. That's pretty awesome. Sections here talking about duty and service, and we're going to first start with Colonel George Henderson, a British officer who fought in Egypt and Cassassan.

And he fought in the Boer Wars as well. Then he talks about Waterloo. Here we go. Back to the book. No incident is more familiar in our military history than the stubborn resistance of the British line at Waterloo. Through the long hours of the midsummer day, silent and immovable squares and squadrons stood in the trampled corn,

harassed by an almost incessant fire of cannon and musketry, to which they were forbidden to make reply. Not a moment, but heard some cry of agony. Not a moment, but some comrade fell. headlong into the furrows. Yet as bullets of the skirmishers hailed around them and the great shot tore

through the tight-packed ranks the word was passed quietly. Close in on the center men and as the sun neared its setting the regiments still shoulder to shoulder stood fast upon the ground

they had held at noon. The spectacle is characteristic in good fortune and in ill it is rare indeed that a British regiment does not hold together and this indestructible cohesion best of all qualities that an armed body can possess is based not merely on hereditary resolution but on mutual confidence and mutual respect the man and the ranks has in placid faith in his officer the officer and almost unbounded belief in the valor and discipline of his men and that I've talked about this and people want to know what makes the SEAL teams do well the thing that

makes the SEAL teams do well is the bond that holds them together and that bond is so strong that it's unbreakable and that's why SEALs do well in combat because we have a bond that is unbreakable stronger than anything that's going to get thrown at us the brotherhood is going to stand close this book out with two more quotes and speaking of Waterloo this one is from Wellington and this is a very simple quote he said my rule was always to do the business of the day in the day and I was reading this book the other day and I was reading this book the other day and I posted something about it but I I was I didn't realize I was thinking about this

but we have a saying in the seal teams plan your dive and dive your plan is the saying so when you're when you're doing a combat swimmer attack which is when you're on a rebreather and you're diving underwater and what if you've never dove before if you don't understand this it's very hard to comprehend what combat swimmers like but I'll give you a real quick brief when you're doing a combat dive on a rebreather You basically can't see anything. It's nighttime. You're down at 10, 12, 15 feet underwater. It's black. You can't see anything. There's no like fish swimming around. There's no sea life to look at. There's no core reef. It's black. You can't see anything. The only thing you can actually see is something called an attack board, which an attack board sounds really cool, but let me tell you what it is. It's a piece of plastic.

It used to be wood that has on it a depth gauge, a compass, and a watch to time. And so you put little tiny chemlights, little glowing chemlights, and you actually tape them up so that they're barely emitting any light at all. And you put one by the stopwatch, one by the compass, and one by the depth gauge. And when you're underwater, so you have those things, they're basically. strapped on to this board that you hold I don't know it's like like about the size of a piece of paper right of eight and a half by 11 piece of paper that's about how big this board is and on it you've got your depth gauge your compass and your stopwatch and you can barely see

them they're glowing very faintly and when you're underwater that's all you can see it's just that you can't see anything else occasionally you'll get like some weird abstract light from the moon or something but even that's rare because you're down underwater and if you ever been in water with low visibility sometimes that sometimes it's actually hard to see the attack board that's two feet in front of your face So then what you're doing is you're looking at that compass you're looking at that depth gauge and you're looking at the stopwatch and you have pre-planned Legs that you're going on you're gonna go this long this this this bearing this long this depth for this time And when I say so you're kicking looking at this board

for an hour and 17 minutes then you're gonna make a 90 degree turn and you're gonna go for another 48 minutes and then you're gonna make a right turn for 12 minutes and you're gonna hit your target then you're gonna turn around do some other route back out As long as you can stay underwater to stand water then eventually you run out of oxygen you come to the surface and you swim the rest of the way to your extract any visions of the glory and the the fun of being a seal this is it's not It's work and it's hard work and you have to concentrate the whole time and you got to make sure you don't go too Shallow or too deep if you go too shallow you'll be seen if you go too deep your go off the the dive tables that you're allowed to be on oxygen for so you got to focus the whole time and by the way You're in a pair and your buddy that's with you he's even more miserable than you are because he has no idea what's going on

He's just trying to keep up with you because for some reason the way you dive the way you put your body when you have the attack board you can swim a little bit faster than the guy that's looking around and making sure that you're not going to hit anything and make sure you're not so there's only one tack board per there's a one attack board for prepare sometimes we would make two we'd make a smaller attack board just because it was so much more efficient to fly with them but you can't fly you if you're the buddy you're you can't be just looking at the attack board you have to look around attack board the attack board that's what we call the attack board so with all that the reason I'm telling you all this is that when you're underwater it's really easy to get confused and turned around and sometimes you go over big pieces of metal that are in the water and your compass starts to like wander around and you you can't communicate with your buddy move that's what it sounds like you've got so we know we have squeeze signals and sometimes we'd carry

grease pens to write but it's never there's no real effective way to communicate underwater so you're just in this dark just cold Blind situation for three two three four hours at a time And the saying is that we had is Plan your dive and dive your plan because if you and I go underwater and then we start trying to adjust things while we're under water And we just we think we're gonna do something different once we go first of all you and I are gonna be thinking two different things and it's gonna be a disaster So we we plan our dive and dive our plan And that's reminded me of this statement do the business of the day in the day

Right get done what you say you're gonna get done do it And how simple is that and it's like dive your plan and what I said the other day I said Plan what you're gonna do and then do what you planned that's real simple And and I said think of how far you're gonna think of where you will be in two weeks If every day you plan what you're gonna do it and then you do what you plan. Yeah. It's amazing.

Yeah, it seems so sad. That was what we were talking about a few weeks ago, where it's like distractions. That's the thing. You know, I was seeing there's like just industries of distractions. Yeah,

for sure. You never wake up. I was explaining to my eight-year-old daughter the other day that they designed, because she was playing a game on iPad. Oh, yeah. I said, oh, what are you learning from that? And she said,

what do you mean? I said, oh, are you learning? anything from that? She said, well, I, you have to get these rings. And I said, oh, so you're not learning anything from that. Yeah. And she said, I don't, I don't, I said, you know what they do? They make that game to make you want to play it more. There's no, there's no end to the game. There's no end. They just want you to play that game. Keep clicking on that. That's, yeah, there, you know, and of course, I'm just being a total jerk. I'm like, yeah, look at how, look at how well it works. Look at you. You can't put it down. Look at you, you, you, you look at you

holding on to this thing and she doesn't fall for this anymore when she was younger i used to go up and and press her head as if her head was getting softer and i'd look at her like oh man how long have you been on this for and she'd say i don't know when it's say i think if you stop now your brain might harden back up eventually it's probably do the same thing with with her uh her muscles like if she's eating like chips or something too many chips it's like oh your muscle are getting like all soft right now hurry yeah she's young she's four so it works yeah it still works but They do they plan these things so that they addicted Yeah, dick those iPad ones they there's no end well everything is designed that right right now you talk about the Facebook app that shows the little thing that shows

Oh yeah yeah like yeah yeah you got a message alert and this might be the message that I've been waiting for right variable reward it might not be so that's the thing that's the if you know guaranteed It's gonna be consistently it's less addictive. It's called variable reward. Yeah, that's what I'm saying but you everyone in their mind is thinking this might be yeah this might be this might be be the big one exactly I'm getting contacted by by tenacious D they saw my tweet they're getting back at me they're gonna come on the podcast we're gonna tenacious D is Jack Black and Kyle Gass oh right well is that a movie it's a band okay from a movie they have been in a movie yes and they have a TV show Jack Black he's an actor no that's a seconder he's a musician okay got you school of rock that's a A movie.

That's a great movie. Shallow how that's not a movie. That's Jack Black. No, no, no. He is an actor, like I said, in addition to being a rock and roll. Okay. Gotcha. Hey, man.

Cool. Why do we just talk about that? Oh, yeah, because I'm thinking, oh, this might be the tweet that I was waiting for from Tenacious D. Sure. So I got to check my Twitter 47 times a minute. Yeah. No, not happening. No, yeah.

You can't, you don't have a tweet from Tenacious D that's not there. Yeah. They didn't tweet you. Yeah. So don't check your Twitter go and do something productive. Yeah, but so and that's when you're already distracted So basically the point was you know do your plan or plan your day or do you know and and do the plan right so because no one plan your day And do what you plan yeah that's it so you know one plans to what's really jacked up is if you actually took what you did in a day and you wrote it down and planned it I bet you could get it done in so much less time like right now

I've got a lot of stuff going on right now and I'm doing things that normally take me two hours I'm doing in 46 minutes same quality by the way just getting after it right but you got to put a little suspense date on something and say it's due here you got to get it done and then you just sit down and make it happen yeah that's what you need to do oh it it it's one of those simple but I need these easy things, but this is why. So you put in a way, you put these kind of parameters on what you're going to do.

And if, like I, okay, I'm making a plan and I'm sticking to the plan, right? That's what I'm doing. So I plan to do X, Y,

Z, X, you know, all these things. Yep. And if, so basically right when you say, okay, here's the plan,

you outline it, if it's not in the plan, you just don't do it. It's, so, so distractions, no one plans to, like,

hey, tomorrow, I'm going to just, eat like crap tomorrow that's the plan that's never the plan you know but if you don't have any plan or nothing sure you allow those things to come in so if you're like okay tomorrow and you're not gonna plan the whole day you're not gonna find every meal you're not gonna if you did yeah you'd be real effective yeah you'd stay you'd stay on locked right gosh so much did the meal prep the night

before exactly when you go through those phases where you're cooking seven chicken breasts and you're just read you got everything laid out Monday Tuesday yeah there you go yeah really and people do that yeah people do that And it works. Yes, sir. Yeah, exactly right. So, and is it realistic? And really, when you think about it, kind of is if you're committed to it.

Well, what's crazy is, is it takes more work up front. How long does it take to prepare all your meals for the week? And by the way, I don't do this. Yeah. But how long, I've done it before. How long does it take to prepare meals? It takes you two hours, two hours and 20 minutes, let's say. Same amount of time, by the way.

You get done preparing those. And you save time in the week, right? Because now you're not sitting around, Re-deploying your pots and pans re-deploying your stove setting that all that other stuff You actually are gonna save time you know if you plan your day yeah and then you do your plan Yeah, and think about just if you use a meal prep example where okay you don't typically we don't plan our Every meal for a week typically we just don't do that but when you do the meal prep planning situation You're saying we meaning human beings in general you everybody yeah yeah yeah okay

that typical person so that's a good example so when you do that now boom that your meals of an element of your life that typically isn't quote unquote planned is now planned so now there those parameters are set so anything outside of those parameters you just don't really think about as much you know and when they kind of enter you it's real obvious like hey that's not part of this plan what the hell you know it's like it's like it's more of a red flag but if you don't plan it they come in it's kind like whatever there's no parameters there anyway in my head so that goes for everything you do. So just like how you're saying, yeah, I have a lot of stuff. So you plan,

okay, I'm going to do this here, do this now, do this at this time, finish it by this time, all this stuff. Those parameters are set. So the distractions have way harder time to get in. So in everyday life, you can make some ambiguous goal. Hey, I want to eat better. No plan, by the way. Just it's an ambiguous goal. There's no parameters on there. So you take one misstep. You know, you were at the stop light for longer than you expected. Now you're late for this. Now I'm pressed for a time. There's the McDonald's right there. And it'll just sneak right in.

But if you got those parameters in, you'd be at McDonald's, nope, not part of my plan right now. Yep. My plan I got to, you know, I got to execute. Yeah. And another thing, if you're going to plan your day, you should actually plan to have time in there that has nothing in it, right? So you should, you should plan to have a half an hour where you're going to address problems, right? Okay. So that way of problems because they're going to come up.

Yeah. You got to have your free time. And by free, I mean free to go make other things happen and adjust and make things good. But what you shouldn't do is say, because I'll tell you, there's some things that I have a really hard time. Like with the podcast, I'll keep preparing the podcast. I'll just keep preparing it. Like I'll just keep. No, I go beyond that because there's another story and that ties into something else.

And I'm going to go out another book. And by the way, I got to run the, I have time to get it from Amazon. So I'm going to go to the library. You know what I mean? You go down where I could prepare for a podcast forever and not be ready for it. And so I have to put my own self and check and say, okay, draw the line on this level of depth on this thing. Now, I might make a footnote and I've got a cool category now on my computer that's, you know, tangents where I opened a tangent and I didn't close it on the podcast. So now we're going to be able to enter them at a different time when when time allows because I can get focused on that.

one subject. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. But it takes discipline to do that because otherwise I would just go down every rabbit hole. Yeah. Yeah. And you take a book like this and there's so many rabbit holes in there, it's almost impossible to stay out of them. Yeah.

It gets kind of ridiculous. Yeah. In a way. So my point is plan your day and then execute your plan. If you do that, it's going to make a huge difference in your life. And what's cool is you look up, you look up in a month, two months, three months, the amount of stuff that you've gotten done is ridiculous. And I'll tell you, one of the ways that I do do that myself is I just task myself with, I'd say I'm going to do things and then I'd have to do them. Yeah, they are.

If, let's say with this podcast, a good example, we do this podcast once a week. We've held the line really well on that. if we didn't if we said you know what let's just put the podcast out when we put it out yeah if that was the mindset we had from the beginning we would probably I'm gonna guess that we would have less than half of the podcasts would have been put out that's my guess because we would have said you know what hey I got a train this week and I'm gonna miss that and I haven't read the book that I was going to read so because right now bro oh I've got 15 minutes That little half hour of my schedule where I have nothing guess what I'm doing in that half an hour? I'm doing

I'm doing 22 minutes worth of a reading of a book that's coming up. Yeah, that's what I'm doing if we didn't have the discipline structure in place That probably wouldn't be happening. Yeah, that probably wouldn't be happening. We'd be going, oh, you know what? The little time went by. Hey, bro. Yeah, let's let's let's let's let's let's give this week a miss. It's so much easier. Yeah, yeah, you know what I was gonna go go go hang out today. I don't really want to do this today. No, we're doing it. Yeah, we signed up for it. I Yep, totally. Now, could it get to a point where you say, you know what? Every two weeks, we've mentioned that before. People didn't like that idea. Yeah, you know who else didn't like that idea? I didn't like that idea either.

You know why? Because I like that discipline. Yeah. Why would, you know why? Because I'm basically confining myself to doing something productive as opposed to watching YouTube videos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About cats, because there's some good YouTube videos, right?

There's some good YouTube videos. videos but there's also a lot of them are not good and you're not getting anything out of them yeah and man the ones that they rack up for you when you've just got done watching one yeah the ones that they rack up for you all every single one of them what do they rack up I think they rack up four on top and four on bottom on your little screen yeah and every one of them is is like a click bait right every one of them is a click base it's crazy yeah it's They do that obvious they're brilliant Yeah because it has a lot to do with everything that you've you've watched

So yeah it's gonna be it's the next video is always just like it's a must-90% relevant to what you specifically want right there and that is why that is why you got to get angry at though you know you know you have that You know how you have that that that way that you overcame your anger management right by but you read that it was like you you you had low self-level Steam that's why you're getting mad well when you get that when you get that next rack of YouTube videos staring at you yes you should be getting pissed because you know what they're trying to do yeah they're trying to get you to click trying to take your time away from you yeah and by the way they're making money from you yeah like that next thing you're making they're making they're making money from what you're doing and so they've they've set this system up to make you click that thing yeah so you're a mark you're a sucker look at you falling for it every single time every single time every Yeah, that's how I quit drinking too by the way that is legit like oh, I'm falling for a trick that my brain is playing on me I ain't falling for that trick I'm falling for that trick that and like I said it's hard too because It's mixed in with positive stuff on YouTube. There's some really good quality stuff on YouTube There's some great knowledge you can gain from YouTube for sure and if you're good at justifying things Yeah, yeah that's true too. It's a really scary but my point is

I don't want to sit here and bag on you YouTube because it's an incredible source of information if you keep it informational But it's real easy to get sideways on that. Yeah, and they somehow know They can attach like watching a street fight to because I watch street fights or I watch a You know a UFC fight or I'll watch a clip or watch a submission They know how to drag you in you know to like those click bait titles Yeah, yeah, of the guy fighting the kangaroo. Yeah, man versus can Angeroo unbelievable

Right and of course you're thinking yourself okay well what would I do if I did fight a kangaroo? Yeah, I live in America man I'm not fighting any kangaroos, but somehow I got to click on that video see what up. Yeah, such garbage. So good job YouTube Yeah, and I'm not gonna be a sucker over here. Nope, not every time Give yourself a limit Yeah, see and that goes back to what you're saying. Give yourself like a click limit on those things Yeah, or just set your plan right give yourself those parameters, right? You're gonna be you won't you It's it even me thinking about it right now it really after you can explain it there it really puts it into perspective

And all the things you ever I mean you're different than I think I think a lot of people where Sometimes people only make plans if like they have important stuff something that's important I got work stuff or I got it I got this to do list There's like 10 things on the list which actually seems like a pretty big to do list if you think 10's a big one yeah in one day You know how many things you do in a day that you can get distracted from. A lot of them. Yeah, more than 10. It's like a lot.

And everything, everything from like the day you wake up, or not the day, but the time you wake up, what you eat every single time, by the way. The TV you watch or don't watch. Every second of the day, if it had a parameter on it, oh man, you'd be just laser-focused on all your goals instead of these ambiguous lose weight. Or I want to, I need to, I don't know, X, Y, Z more.

Yeah, and I'll tell you another thing. The plan doesn't take that much time to put together. Yeah. And how you said, it'll end up saving you time. Oh, for sure. It'll end up in one way or another. The 10 minutes that you spend planning the next day will save you four hours. Yeah.

You can usually get done everything you have to get done in like half the time. Yeah. Half the time. It's crazy. And it's weird too because, I mean, there's some busy people out there. I don't want to make it sound like there's some. some people that are really busy. Yeah, but I, get the single mom.

She's got two, three kids. She's got two, three jobs. Yeah. She doesn't, you know what? She's listening to this conversation going, yeah, no kidding. Yeah, no kid. She ain't watching YouTube. Yeah, she's in the game 24-7.

Yeah. Well, not, she's in the game 20 because she's sleeping four hours. 20. Yeah, she's keeping it together. Yeah, and when you say there's busy, yeah, there are two things to that. Yeah, there are busy people who, you know what, Those people get those like the single moms or the single dads they get kind of like what I just said They are in a situation. They have no choice and they get after it. Yeah, that's right. They have no choice and they get after it

They're like oh, I'm gonna get this done they got their family. They're looking at their kid. They're looking at their three-year-old kid that that three-year-old kid has nothing without that mom getting on the grind and going to the the the restaurant yep and working as a waitress or whatever or she's working her job, whatever she's doing. She's putting it together. Knows exactly Tuesday, three weeks from now, at 4.46, she knows where she's going to be. She knows exactly where. Me, I mean, I don't, come on, you know, compared to the average person, we don't know. And then.

Compared to the average person, you definitely don't know. But you're not even like 100% sure what you should be doing in an hour. Because, you know, cruising could interlude at any time and you might just be. Cruising is a very ambiguous Activity But then go to the other side of the spectrum Of busy people, I mean They're busy because they don't plan enough

That's definitely true And yeah, I'm so busy all the time Meanwhile, no productivity You know? Or very little Limited, limited Yeah, limited. True Plan your day?

Execute your plan All right, last Little quote from this This is Frederick the Great the Battle of Colin in 1757 and there were some troops that were I read a couple different versions again speaking of rabbit holes you start going down these rabbit holes I read two different versions of this there was either troops that were hesitating to attack or there were troops that were actually retreating and to these troops Frederick the Great said dogs would you live forever And another way that was translated was you cursed rascals would you live forever and Who's he saying this dude he's saying that to his own troops right right okay that are Leaving either either hesitating to attack right or they're or they're retreating and he's saying dogs right right

Yeah cut out of the barbarians said yeah no Would you live forever? No, is that what you're looking for to live forever? Yeah, no you shouldn't be and You know, I think that's a good way to wrap up that book. Because like we said, those two quotes, always do the business of the day in the day. Plan what you do and do what you plan. And dogs, you cursed rascals, would you live forever? Let me answer that for you. No, you won't.

And we're here talking about a book. We talk about a book today and we talk about leadership and that's awesome. but you got to start by leading yourself, by doing what you say you will do. That's integrity, personal integrity. When you say that you're going to do something, that they talked about being straight today. They talked about personal integrity.

That starts with yourself by doing what you actually say you are going to do by not hesitating and waiting. You're going to lead yourself. so get moving don't wait do what you plan and do it today because you don't get to live forever and the clock think that's all I've got for tonight and echo since we are not hesitating right now if you could without hesitation please explain to people how they might be able to support

this podcast if they want to sure of course because we don't want to live forever I guess that doesn't make actually Conan the Barbarian didn't say that he didn't say he doesn't say much

in Conan the Barbarian there's a few lines but not that much his girlfriend girl that ends up being his girlfriend then she dies later but whatever she says tell me the whole one She says when they hesitate or when they're about to do something nuts, she says, do you want to live forever? Then they just charge.

Oh, okay. Well, there you go. She gets it. Yeah, that's the exact usage. Anyway, speaking of not hesitating. So kettle bells. I'm talking about on it, but this is kind of, this is relevant reminded me. I kind of mentioned it earlier before we started recording.

So I hear good things, right? Kettle bells. And I'm a little familiar. I'll incorporate them here and there. But, you know, I'm just here more and more. So I'm like, hey, I'm going to make this a big part of the, you know, the routine, the program. Yeah. You do kettle bells, obviously.

Yes. How much dumbbell stuff do you do? Like dumbbells. I actually don't use a lot of dumbbells. I know you're a big dumbbell guy. Yeah. Like, even like bench, right? Yeah, yeah.

I don't. Man, when was the last on my bench? Like, people will say, hey, how much can you? bench. Yeah, I don't know. Man. Not enough. That's my answer. It's a long time ago. Anyway, back to the kettlebell. So, starting kettlebells.

But I got, and, you know, you'd learn the tent. Be careful with kettlebells if you're doing the kettlebells. Yeah. You know how they say, yeah, start off light. I'd say with kettlebells more so than it. Because when you throw a kettle, that thing, it's not like a dumbbell is like, you grab a dumbbell. It has a perfect handle. Each side of the dumbbell is perfectly balanced.

Yeah. Same exactly. Brat kettlebell, it has a handle, then it's on the thing, it'll flip around, it'll break your hand. You can break your hand. Or when you're swinging them,

you know the one that you go, I don't know all the terms, sorry, but the one you grab it with the two hands. Yeah, kettlebell's the basic one. Yeah, kettlebell swing. Between your legs. Yep.

Bro, I'm like swinging it. And I'm like, bro, what if this, what if my balance was off or, I don't know, whatever, and the kettlebell hit my shin. You'd be a lot of pain. Bro, it can break your shin if you have, you know, even if you had like a 62,

pound kettlebell you break your shit be careful with that anyway so to make things actually technically they're not more I got the the on it ones the the the werewolf you know and the chimp and all that and you think when you compare them to the regular kettlebells they're the kettlebells around right the regular ones so you think oh you know the designer ones with the werewolf they might be kind of awkward because they're not like perfectly uniform but guess what they're balanced when they make them. Yeah.

So they're just as safe. But. So where are you going with all this? I'm, I'm explaining the new, uh, emergence of kettlebells in my workout. Yeah.

And you like them. I like them a lot. And the point is don't hesitate, right? Because you know how, you know how you're like, yeah, I need to do more kettlebells. Ambiguous.

Ambiguous goal. That's what it is. No parameters. But I was like, you know what? Today's the day. I'm going to do. I'm going to,

this is going to be the workout. So my workout was you know you want numbers. I'll give you numbers. So what I did. Metcon Kettlebell's the werewolf. So those are 62 pounds each head to the double. Boom. So it's like a D I don't know if this is an actual kettlebell official movement. I think it is you go it's like a kettlebell swing two of them outside of the hips narrow stance Up to clean. Okay, you clean it right and then press and then press it right and then back down Squat, boom, point. Clean and press. Yeah, so I do five reps and then five burpees.

Walk in a circle, 35 seconds. Yeah. All right. Five reps. Again, so I do that six times. It took like, I don't know, eight minutes, eight and a half minutes. That was a mess. So same as my other Macombote with the kettlebells and this kind of the squat.

Probably it's weird. I used to do that with a bar. It's, there's a lot. of little muscles in there that you use that's what makes kettlebells good is that they're unstable they're less stable than a barbell yeah and they move awkwardly yeah so you have to use more energy and more strength to keep them under control yeah so it's working some muscles that you're not used to most likely yeah and you're it's it's interesting because you're using like you can get into this kind of it's not weird but this flow of like you know like when it swings down it's not like

Oh, it doesn't jerk you down. It will if you're not ready for it. But if you kind of know, after you get used to it, it just flows. It's like this almost no impact. Yep, kettlebells are good. Yeah. So do that.

Anyway. Where would you get your kettlebells from? I get my kettlebells from on it. I only get the cool ones. Actually, afterwards, and I had a picture. I was going to post it online too, but I was like, yeah. You are feeling it.

It was less about that at that point, you know? But the one, I, again, The werewolf ones. So and Joe Rogan's on one of the videos on there. Yeah. He kind of mentions this. He's like, I like this one because it's like, I think it's like the gorilla or something like that. He's like, it looks at you and it's like it wants to, he says, you know, he says that the gorilla looks like he wants to bite your dick off.

That's what he says. Something along this line. But he has a good point. Like those kettle bells when you're like, man, I really don't want to do this. And then they're just looking at you, you know? And you're like, dang, you walk away, you come back and you look at it. And it's still looking at you with the same expression because it's a, you know, kettlebell. Because it's an inanimate object.

I'm saying it helps. Yeah. You know, because you get into the workout, you know? Yeah. You know, especially like how you're like, it's a challenge every time. Anyway, do that. All right. Onit, support, right?

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That's not good. Yeah. Then it got to reincorporate into it. Yeah. I think it takes about six days. Yeah. In my case, it took, it took, I think, five. When I start to be like, oh, there's difference.

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also you know what man I have this other idea you know what I'm going to do I'm going to make little we'll just say other little videos to let's what I'm gonna do bad add value so to speak I like that well the video is a very compelling form of Interaction with people yeah, that's why that's why YouTube I think YouTube is like the most searched to website Bigger than it's more searched than Google maybe I'm wrong, but it's up there it's yeah, if it's not number one. It's number two

So if you want to learn something people immediately Yes search YouTube. Yeah, that's what and guess what you remember the other day we talked about YouTube? I'm wrong Red. Yeah. I got YouTube red. Why? Because the ads? The ads is one thing, but also Because you can listen to music Without It being on the screen. It plays in the background like iTunes.

Is that the main reason? Yeah. Because now I can use any album that I've Because a lot of music, a lot of music that I listen to Isn't on iTunes because it's old school. It's hardcore. It's Underground, like literally not on there. Yeah. But the YouTube videos up there. It's a YouTube video will be on there from some random hardcore band

from New York Upstate New York And they're they're One album that they made There one EP Five songs long That came out in 1987 It'll be on YouTube

It's not anywhere near iTunes It's on it And you can play it Which is awesome Yeah makes sense I guess They YouTube read Sometimes they'll put

Or not sometimes All the time. Do you have YouTube red now? No. Because the main selling point. The problem is albums without tracks. Just FYI. Yeah.

I know you like albums with tracks. These are albums without tracks. Well, typically I don't listen to YouTube for the music situation. That's not where I go to. If you have read, you'll change that. Yeah, maybe. I mean, red, they push it with, hey, no ads. And then I'm like, cool, no ads.

But, man, I'm not that quick to jump on the no ads thing. There have been plenty times, a lot of times with movies. but the ads that play I'll like it'll be for me directed for me like dang this ad is helping me in a way sometimes God you're like the ultimate YouTube person

not only going to click the next video I'm going to enjoy the advertisement I get the Tai Lopez ads a lot you know that is right Ty Lopez he's a super smart guy he's actually one of the reasons why like I started reading a lot like one of the reasons

and so he's smart guy but his ads are all over YouTube but I know it's my fault because it's relevant to what I watch apparently. You know how they do that? So it's my fault. But those ads I get type of piss. Should you go to college? Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, yeah, so yeah, subscribe to our YouTube. You know, got some subscribers on there, some good feedback. You know, I'm going to keep posting videos. It does help that people will say, echo post videos. In addition to just use it. He's requesting peer pressure. I like that. That's good.

Yeah. So yeah, subscribe to YouTube. That's a good one. Also, Jocko has a store. It's called Jocko Store.com. On there, we have t-shirts. If you wear T-shirts, you know, check them out. If you're interested in anything on there, get something.

I'm not saying to buy some. I'm not saying, hey, guys, go to jocco store.com and buy a t-shirt. I'm not saying that. I'm saying go to jocco store.com. There's some shirts on there. There's some hoodies on there, rash guards, patches, some women's stuff, some tank tops and whatnot. Travel mugs.

Hats coming soon. Anyway, check them out. You said hats coming soon before. Yeah. So far, I've been impressed by your turn times on that. It just depends on what you think soon. Well, when you say soon to me, that to me means three days. Okay, so I grew up in Kauai.

For hats. I don't care where you're from. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying it's Hawaiian time. I'm not saying that. It is, but that's not what I'm saying right now. Okay, so quiet. in Omaha on Kauai in Hawaii.

So on the end of Omaha Road is a, I don't know what it is, a church or a religious center or something. And it says, on the top, it says Jesus coming soon. And that went up when I was, I think, seven years old. So soon is a relative term. Very relative. Relative, yes. It's a sliding scale for sure.

Well, let me tell you what. Hats, I hope, get here before the return of Jesus. Yes, that's the goal for sure. We can make that happen to be awfully nice. All right. Because it's summertime. Now, right now, it's summertime. So we need hats to wear in the sun.

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That shit's not up. It's being printed, but, you know, we went with it. And 100% Jocko's design, 100% not really approved by me. I mean, it's approved, but like I tried to like make my little considerations, my little alterations and altered aehanes you know what I'm saying I was watching out for them alteredations I was worried about my creative input we overcame them bro totally overcame him you got trumped I said we're making this shirt and that's a direct order that's basically what happened yeah now you're you finessed it for sure but at the

end of the day I looked up and I was like dang my input on you know the store that you know I think I feel like I'm the manager of the store. Apparently I'm wrong, but that's cool. So anyway, new shirt as a result. Do you sign by Jocko. Jocco store.com. That's a good one. Also, psychological warfare. If you don't know what that is, it's an album

with tracks of Jocko's voice, saying and telling, helping. That's what it's doing. It's helping. I hope so. People, myself included, by the way, through moments of weakness if they arrive, arise.

Arrive and arise. Yeah. So yeah, if you're having trouble one day if you want an alarm clock of me Which people ask me for yeah just get psychological warfare and set it as your alarm. Yeah, that's it. That's why we made it because everyone was asking for that So there you have it you don't need to you don't need it we're not gonna make a ring tone. I don't think Yeah, well technically you just said it as it as a ringtone and you're good Yeah, it's yeah and it works really good especially that well it depends on your weakness right or what kind of person you are so you You know, me, if you say A, ECHO, wake up at 4.30 for one year every morning, one year. There's going to be a day or two where it's going to be harder than, you know, than another day. So you put it on the track.

What time do you wake up? That's classified. So, if you have problems. That sounds like 830 to me. If you have problems. I woke up at noon on Saturday. Oh, because you're still on Hawaiian time. How could you wake up at noon?

How could you even do that? I didn't mean to. It was, it's a long story, but yes. My wife was like, hey, it was good for you to join us or nice of you to join us. Even your wife is ragging on you for sleeping until noon. Bro, credit to her. She was just like, yeah, she got two kids to take care of. You're up there sprawled out.

Straight up sleeping. The queen size bed. She's getting after that. I know, bro. I know it's bad. Not going to make a change. Nonetheless, back to psychological warfare. If you have, you know, if you're on a cool diet, you're eating is clean, boom, you get that temptation one day at work with the donuts.

You know, they bring the donuts, right? We talk about this all the time. Yeah, people just do that too. Okay, he don't Gracie. He run R. Wyatt, R. W. N. He talks about, like, how you go to a restaurant and they're like, oh, so cute. The kids, here's some, you know, here's a cupcake for the kids. So cute, right?

And people, like, overlook how rude and it's like, it's, how much. much of a violation that is you got any rat poison you can feed him while you're out of yeah hey look look how cute your kids are kids let me give them something super unhealthy violation anyway that's what happens when people bring donuts for work and think I'm gonna do this for the office not that I frown upon that I'm just saying put it into perspective nonetheless if someone does that while you're at work boom you got a track for that too put it on real quick put on your buds you know so it's for you sugar coated lies sugar coated lies directly

to you're anyway it's called psychological warfare look at it on or look for it on iTunes jocco will and Google play Google play Amazon music all that stuff yeah wherever the mp3s are being distributed all right also on Amazon you can get jocco white tea and here's a little verified purchase review again this means that the person this is verified yeah it's a hundred percent so here's the review as a tea guy I am somewhat picky so I ordered some jocco white tea I'm pretty sure the box was growling when I opened it that's a verified review I brewed up some tea and poured it over ice after which I went on my bike for a training ride I was pulled over twice I explained that I

consumed some jocco white tea before I left and the officer just nodded and said get after it The next officer was not so forgiving and gave me a ticket for speed limit So in summary this tea can get pretty pricey if you don't mind speeding tickets while you're riding a bike So it's just another thing to be careful of if you drink jocco white tea and then you get on a bike you got to watch out that you don't get speeding tickets because you're going a little faster than the speed limit That's the jocco white tea also on Amazon you can get way the warrior kid And this this review here of way of the warrior kid also verified purchase review from Amazon This is the book I wish I'd read when I was a kid and that's the same thing I say all the time I work in schools and I've already bought a spare copy to lend out to my students

I've also read it twice myself though I'm 39 year old man Side note my pull-ups have also improved so I'm telling you it's a kid's book sure that's what everyone says That's you know what it's set up kind of looks like sure there's some lessons in there from uncle Jake that we all need So way the warrior kid you can pick that one up also Discipline equals freedom field manual Do you know what this book is about It's about getting after it mentally and physically simple straightforward So if you want to get after it Get the discipline equals freedom field manual

Not a lot of fluff in there I'm gonna tell you that right now not a lot of fluff Straightforward of course we got the book Extreme Ownership This is the book we refer back to a bunch on here combat leadership for your life for your business, for your school, for your family, for you, own it. And for your business or your team, you can get us, echelon front, leadership management consulting

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echelon front so that's what we do we go into companies and we help you with your leadership info at echelon dot com if you're interested also the muster in Austin Texas July 13th and 14th I'm the Barton Creek resort I think this might be sold out by the time this airs it's a venue that's only 300 seats we've sold most of them if you don't get a ticket in time for that check extreme ownership dot com see if you can still get a ticket for that one and if you don't get a ticket in time for that one that's okay come to San Diego September 14th and 15th for muster zero zero four that one is also at the Omni Hotel but the one in San Diego lots of

folks are coming back to that one lots of people that went to the first muster in San Diego are coming back for another go it's gonna be awesome we will see you there and in the meantime if you want to talk to us we are actually upon the interwebs on Twitter on Instagram and we gonna see that one on the Facebook echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocka Willink and thanks to everyone for listening to the podcast but don't just listen go out wake up earlier work out harder read more make yourself better a better soldier a better sailor better airman or a better marine a better police officer

a better firefighter a better paramedic make yourself a better engineer or janitor or waitress or waiter or lawyer or doctor or car mechanic or builder make yourself a better person a better leader every day and as charlie may said on july first 1916 before he went over the top into the raging hell that was the battle of the Psalm he said it is a glorious morning and it certainly is every morning is glorious so get out there and get after it until next time this is echo and jaco out out