Jocko Podcast - 82: Struggles Lift You Up. UFOs, PEDs and HGH. Fitness Advice & Tips. Martial Arts. Motivation to Have Discipline.

Episode Date: July 5, 2017

0:00:00 - Opening 0:08:25 - "And We Go On", by Will R. Bird.  0:22:27 - "A Rumor of War", by Philip Caputo  0:38:07 - "China Marine", by E.B. Sledge  1:0117 - Lessons learned from these books. 1:20:45 - Quick Questions from Interwebs. 1:25:08 - Swimming and/or running for Jiu Jitsu conditioning? 1:33:42 - Advice for shoulder and/or Pec injury recovery regarding bench press. 1:41:16 - Meal Prep?  Or Wing it? 1:42:32 - Best Striking Training? 1:50:36 - Do you take Creatine? 1:52:05 - Have you ever surfed in Europe? 1:52:37 - Getting in Shape with a BAD back.  2:00:34 - Thoughts on PEDs or HGH. 2:02:35 - Thoughts on UFO/Aliens? 2:08:31 - How to encourage a sense of urgency.  2:12:02 - Best Martial Arts training if Jiu Jitsu is not local (70+ miles away) 2:19:01 - How to get "The Desire" to have Discipline. 223:52 - Support, Cool Onnit, JockoStore stuff, with Jocko White Tea and Psychological Warfare (on iTunes). Extreme Ownership (book), The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual.  2:44:24 - Closing Gratitude.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content

This is Jocko podcast number 82 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. I was walking down the street and I was pretty sure I would die and I did not mind. In fact, a large part of me looked forward to it to that release to go to heaven to meet Christ for it all to be over. I courted death like a sailor courts a twirling Spanish barmaid I was not afraid even as we trod across broken streets with asphalt and makeshift concrete piled like sloppy cake icing hiding the surprises below large IEDs and

screams and blood and burning flesh and burning vehicle tires all superficially hidden all obviously present all a joke death had been at the forefront of my mind and part of my decision to become a soldier at all and that's what I considered myself a soldier a grunt an infantryman a ground pounder a soldier what else is there we all turned into soldiers on patrol we competed with each other and the men in other units and other services to see who could patrol in the most disciplined way We would see who we could catch staring at his feet or not watching his field of fire or not scanning for threats or not keeping his shooting hand on his gun And when the shooting did start we would watch to see who would panic and who would cower

These were seemingly fun games and recesses breaking up the fear which was so overpowering it put a deep ache in our stomachs and in our bowels it was chaos that brought me to this point wild music as a young boy slayer metallica in their prime venom motorhead heavy alcohol use by age 10 drug use by age 11 late night punk concerts and mosh pits where I nearly lost my front tooth at age 10 12 as it dug deeply into a punk's shaved head I was tall for my age and people treated me like an adult they tried to bring me into their filth junkies perverts degenerates an evil world burning so much so that war was a dream come true it seemed as if now I could fight back against the depravity and evil that tried to engulf me. I held that quiet hope, that unspoken hope that maybe I could die in war, doing something heroic like they trained us to do.

Maybe this God-forsaken and worthless life could be over this gauntlet. And so the IED-Laden Rhodes attempting to scare me and us were a judge. joke and I did not care about it about the setup about the punchline I just wanted enemy contact and I wanted to smell the blood of particles floating through the afternoon air and the screams of the dying that is what I wanted it seems so beautiful my mind had romanticized it all but what we got wasn't so romantic as and wasn't so beautiful most of the screams I heard with a screams of my countrymen as they bled or the screams of innocence who were in the wrong place at the wrong time I watched the funerals of men we shot going right past us the children crying the wives glaring as they damned us with ancient Babylonian curses that would try to follow me back to my home in satanic nightmares where I could not escape them all those things made death so true and so beautiful and so acceptable those words were written by

Someone that I served with in Ramadi in 2006 and He sent them to me the other day after we talked and I asked him to write down What he thought about and he was walking down the street in Ramadi and obviously we what he wrote about it revealed so much of the the incredible spectrum of emotions and thoughts that run through our heads and and obviously war magnifies those but these are thoughts of a human being and these are the kind of thoughts that people have not just in war but in life the struggles and as I was sitting thinking about you know that word and that the fact that struggle it absolutely shapes us and I was talking about this when I was with Joe Rogan and

Chris Cornell from Soundgarden had just killed himself and we were talking about the struggles and Joe was saying that the you know you you You got to kind of like struggle and you need struggle people need struggle and some of the feedback That I saw on social media was you know there's a difference between struggle and challenge and and and that a challenge is good, but struggle is bad and and you know, I don't know And I'm not wishing struggles upon anyone I'm no guru, but I do know that struggle and strife shapes us it it shapes

There's no doubt and as I was thinking about this I started thinking about a bunch of different books that I've read in the past And one of them is a book called and we go on And it was written by a guy named Will our Bird who's from Nova Scotia Canada and he was a soldier in the Canadian Army in World War War one and he'd enlisted in the army to replace his brother. So his brother had been killed in battle and he said, okay, I need to, I need to enlist now. And at first he couldn't enlist because he had bad teeth. And then as more and more guys got killed, they loosened the standards and they allowed him in, even with his bad teeth.

And the book is very different. And we're not going to go through the whole book today. But what makes the book different is he talks about Like the supernatural And he wrote another book as a matter of fact which is called ghosts have warm hands and so this kind of supernatural World is something that he he spends some pretty decent amount of time on and in the beginning of the book one of the things that he says Is the trench at zero hour was a crucible that dissolved all in sincerity and the superficial and you can clearly imagine that

these guys getting ready to go over the top I mean what else matters at that point everything that's not true is everything that is not sincere just means nothing at that point and I'm gonna go to the book here for for a minute and here's one of the things he said about sort of again I'm I've just started thinking about the psychological side of what people are going through so here we go to the book this story is an effort to reveal a side of war that has not been given much attention the psychic effect it had on its participants there existed before all battles and even in the calms of the

trench routine a condition before which all natural explanations failed and no supernatural explanations were established every human emotion ran its full gamut in that land of topsy-turvy and prolonged intensity of feeling wrought feeling wrought strange psychological changes which warped the soul itself never on earth was there a place where a man's support often his soul support was his faith in some mighty power all intervening thoughts were swept aside unconsciously there were born faiths that men carry through critical moments and tortured minds grasp fantasies that served in place of more solid creeds. I think it's interesting that he says warped the soul. And I don't actually think, and again, I'm no

literary expert, but I don't think he means that with the negative connotation of warped being negative and bad, but I think he means like a departure from the normal, a departure from the straight line moving away from the natural direction and so it leaves it leaves men changed and like I said I'm not gonna cover this this whole book will probably do it at some point in the future but I think when he gets to the end of the book and he makes some statements that are pretty powerful and of course this is now after he's gone through the and he's on a ship sailing back to Canada and then I'm gonna read this section here we go back to the book Darkness the rush of the ship I felt my way again into a stifling dugout into an atmosphere rancid with stale sweat and breathing earth mold and the hot grease of candles

I saw faces cheeks resting on tunics mud streaked unshavened dirty faces with some with teeth clenched in sudden hate some livid with pole-stopping fear i saw men turning on their wire bunks quivering as if some red-hot grill i heard them gasp and sob and cry out in agony and mutter as they tossed again then a machine guns note louder higher sharper crack crack crack crack as it sweeps over you in a shell hole where you hug the earth The growl of guttural voices, heavy steps in an unseen trench, just the other side of the black mass of tangled barbed barricade beside which you cower. The long-drawn whine of a shell, its heart-gripping explosion, the terrible oppressive silence that follows. Then the first low wail of the man who is down with a gaping, blood-spurting wound.

I moved about, shook myself, sniffed the salt air, and tried to rid myself of my dreams. And as I stood there, there came a sudden chill. I grew cold as if I had entered a clammy cavern. I could not understand, but went and got my great coat. A dim figure passed me as I returned to the deck, and a voice said, we're getting nearer home. I can feel the change.

I knew. We had left the warm current and were into the icy waters nearer home. We had left behind the comradeship of long hours on the trench post and patrols, long days under blazing suns and cruel marches on cobbled roads, the brotherhood of the line. And we were entering a cold sea, facing the dark, the unknown we could not escape. figures came and stood beside me I had not thought that anyone save myself would come on deck and here they were ten a dozen still more all hunched in great coats silent staring I looked at my watch there was three o'clock in the morning these men could not sleep

they were come to see the first lights of Halifax I moved quietly among them scanning each blurred face. It was as I thought. They were all old-timers. The men of the trenches. We went on and on and on, and no one spoke, though we touched shoulders. I tried to think of a comparison. We were like prisoners.

I had seen them standing like that without speaking, staring, thinking. Prisoners. We were prisoners, prisoners who could never escape. I had been trying to imagine. How I would express my feelings when I got home. And now I knew I never could. None of us could. We could no more make ourselves articulate

than could those who would not return. We were in a world apart. Prisoners in chains that would never loosen till death freed us. And I knew those at home would never understand. They would be impatient. wondering why we were so dumb, unable to put our experiences into words. And there would be many of the boys who would be surly, taciturn, moody, resenting good intentions,

perhaps taking to hard liquor and aimless drifting. We of the brotherhood could understand the soldier, but never explain him. All of us would remain a separate, definite people as if branded by some monstrous, despotism warmed as I thought of all that the brotherhood had meant the sharing of blankets and bread and hardships the binding of each other's wounds the talks we had had of intimate things of the dogged simple faith that men had showed flashes of their inner selves that strengthened one's own soul perhaps when my bitterness passed when I had got back to normal self to loved ones tried hard by years of waiting I would find that

despite that horror which I could never forget I had equalizing treasure in memories I could use like Jacob's ladder to get high enough to see that even war itself could never be the whole of life a watcher stirred I tingled my throat tightened Waves of emotion seized me held me I grew hot and cold had queer sensations Every man had tensed crined forward yet no one spoke It was the moment for which we had lived which we had dreamed visioned pictured a thousand times It held us now so enthralled so full of feeling that we could not find utterance a million thrills ran through me far ahead faint but growing brighter we had glimpsed the first lights that line when he says perhaps when

my bitterness is past and I could use my memories and he's saying he could use his memories like Jacob's ladder to get high enough to see that even a war itself could never be the whole of life and those of the struggles he's talking about those are the hardships and this this change in his mindset to not let those drag him down but but to use those to climb up and I think I think we we lose track of that sometimes and all we see is the trench and we get stuck in the trench and I think it's interesting that these men literally and metaphorically speaking these men were in trenches but they were able to rise out of these trenches

these trenches of unimaginable suffering I think to myself if they are able to rise out of those hellish trenches it means we can to we can to and again this this thing that my this thing that my buddy had sent me they just got me thinking about that psychological turmoil of war and that sent me into thoughts of another book again another book that I read a while back I didn't remember when I read it but I just sort of thinking about it and this one was about Vietnam and it's it's a classic it's called a rumor of war and and again we'll we'll absolutely cover this book on the in detail at some point but I'm kind of just was on this literary tour mode and

The psyche I think it's just a good view of the psyche that people have in war which again reflects life and there's a section in this book where Phil Caputo is a assigned to a rear echelon unit he's in the rear and you know he's a lieutenant in the Marine Corps he's in the rear and I think he's in a regimental command post or something but he's not fighting and here's what he thinks of that going to the book in the middle of November at my own request I was transferred to a line company in 1st battalion my convictions about the war had eroded almost

to nothing I had no illusions but I had volunteered for a line company anyway there were a number of reasons of which the paramount was boredom there was nothing for me to do but count casualties I felt useless and a little guilty about living in relative safety while other men risked their lives I cannot deny that the front still held fascination for me the rights or wrongs of the war aside there was a magnetism about combat you seem to live more intensely under fire every sense was sharper the mind worked clearer and faster perhaps it was the tension of opposites that made it so an attraction balanced by revulsion hope that ward with dread you

found yourself on a precarious emotional edge experience experiencing a headiness that no drink or drug could match the fear of madness was another motive the hallucination I had had in that day in the mess of seeing mora and Harrison prefigured in death had become a constant waking nightmare I'd begun to see almost everyone as they would look in death including myself shaving in the mirror in the morning I could see myself dead and there were moments when I not only saw my own corpse but other people looking at it I saw life going on without me the sensation of not being anymore came over me at night just before falling asleep sometimes it

made me laugh inside I could not take myself seriously when I could already see my own death nor seeing their deaths as well could I take others seriously we're all the victims of a great practical joke played on us by God or nature maybe that was why corpses always grinned they saw the joke at the last moment sometimes it made me laugh but most of the time it was not at all humorous and I was sure that another few months of identifying bodies would land me in a psychiatric ward on staff there was too much time to brood over those corpses there would be very little time to think in a line company that is the secret to a

emotional survival in war not thinking finally there was hatred a hatred buried so deep that I could not then admit its existence I can now though it is still painful I burned with a hatred for the Viet Cong and with an emotion that dwells in most of us one closer to the surface than we care to admit a desire for retribution I did not hate the enemy for their politics but for murdering Simpson for executing that boy whose body had been found in the river for blasting the life out of Walt Levy. Revenge was one of the reasons I volunteered for a line company. I wanted a chance to kill somebody.

You could see even in that, you know, comparing that with the first piece of things being a joke and how you just hard, you just get to this point where things just become a joke. How can you take anything seriously when you don't even know what's going to happen? and if you're gonna live how much meaning does life have if you're not gonna live it he gets back out to a line company and now he's on patrol Talking about not only what that's like externally, but what it's like Mentally psychologically going back to the book I tightened the shoulder straps of my pack heavily loaded with signal flares smoke smoke grenades dry socks a poncho and three days rations an entrenching tool and machete were lashed to its side in my pockets I carried a map compass hand grenades more flares halazone tablets malaria pills and a spare magazine for my carbine a pistol two clips of ammunition knife first aid kit and two full canteens hung from my belt

my steel helmet and flack jacket added 20 pounds to the load the gear probably weighed over 40 pounds altogether but I felt a wonderful soaring lightness in my limbs I felt good all over better than I had felt in months even Neil who is not inclined to hand out compliments had praised my gung-ho enthusiasm before the platoon left base camp a sudden and mysterious recovery from the virus of fear had caused the change in mood I don't know why I only knew I had ceased to be afraid of dying It was not a feeling of invincibility Indifference rather

I had ceased to fear death because I had ceased to care about it Certainly I had no illusions that my death if it came would be a sacrifice It would merely be a death and not a good one either a good death involved a certain amount of choice Ritual and style there were no good deaths in the war but the manner of of dying no longer mattered. I didn't care how death came so long as it came quickly and painlessly. I would die as casually as a beetle is crushed under a boot heel. And perhaps it was this recognition of my insect-like pettiness that had made me stop caring. I was a beetle. All beetles scratching for survival in the wilderness. Those who had lost the struggle had not changed anything

by dying. The deaths of Levi, Simpson, Sullivan, and the others had not made any difference. Thousands of people died each week in the war, and the sum of all their deaths did not make any difference. It went on without them. And as it went on without them, so would it go on without me. My death would not alter a thing. Walking down the trail, I could not remember having felt an emotion more sublime or liberating than that indifference again a a common thought pattern is this this feeling of hey I'm in hell and one thing that's going to set me free is death and once I overcome that that that just allows me to go and do what I'm supposed to do and I'm just going to fast forward once again kind of like with the Will Bird going to the end where Caputo kind of wraps up his what he's going to bring home from the war and at this point he's you know he's obviously survived the enemy he survived actually at this point he'd survived a court-martial because he'd gotten in some trouble there was some bad things that happened while he was in charge there was you know cases against him and he kind of got out of that situation and now he is heading home going back to the book we stood waiting in the sun at the edge of the runway There were about a hundred and fifty of us and we watched as a replacement draft filed off the big transport plane

They fell into formation and tried to ignore the dusty tanned ragged looking men who jeered them The replacements looked strangely young far younger than we and awkward and bewildered by this scorched land to which an indifferent government had sent them. I did not join in the mockery. I felt sorry for those children, knowing that they would all grow old in this land of endless dying. I pitied them, knowing that out of every ten, one would die. Two more would be maimed for life. Another two would be less seriously wounded and sent out to fight again and all the rest would be wounded in other

More hidden ways the replacements were marched off toward the convoy that awaited to carry them to their assigned units and their assigned fates None of them looked at us They marched away Shouldering our sea bags we climbed up the ramp into the plane the plane the plane we had all dreamed about the grand mythological freedom bird A joyous shout went up as the transport lurched off the runway and climbed into the placid sky Bowley, the rice paddies, and the green folded hills where we had all lost our friends and our youth. The plane banked and headed out over the China Sea towards Okinawa, toward freedom from death's embrace. None of us was a hero.

We would not return to cheering crowds, parades, and the peeling of great cathedral bells. We had done nothing more than endure. We had survived, and that was our only victory. And I think that is important for us to remember that in some cases, some of the things that we go through, some of the things, some of the challenges and tribulations and trials that people get put through, sometimes survival. survival is victory and all you can do is survive and make it through a situation that you're in and I think sometimes when people survive something a horrible instead of being Happy or related that they made it through instead they focus on the fact that they got put through it And again, I don't I'm no professional at all and there was you know there was there was you know even when I was on Joe Rogan's podcast and and and we were

talking about Chris Cornell committing suicide, you know, someone said, you know, because we kind of devolved into a conversation of, hey, you know, get outside and Tim Ferriss, when Tim Ferriss was on this podcast, you know, he was saying, you know, move and get physical. And so, you know, Joe and I were just kind of talking about that. And, and, and someone came on and said, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you're lucky to survive something like this. It's horrible. And, and, you know, I kind of said, man, I, I know. I, I know. I'm not saying that and literally I re-listened to Joe and I talking and both of us what we were saying was Over and over again. I don't understand this. I don't comprehend it, you know, so I don't think that was the Intention was saying oh all you have to do is go get out a kettlebell and you'll be good to go. That's not the intention at all And that's not what either one of us not only was it were not what we were trying to say we didn't actually say that We were saying hey, I don't understand it I haven't been in that position before That's why we brought that's why I brought Tim on here because Tim had lived through that and and knew how bad it was and planned to kill himself and so that to me is Someone that can give their opinion Joe and I were

Literally saying I don't comprehend But I think when you get a guy like the author of this book a rumor for who's who's talking about their their victory or his victory and the people are to play with their victory in Vietnam was survival was just getting through it and I know that's nothing you're gonna be joyous about But I think at least recognizing okay. I made it through now let me move on Yeah is important now Again I I went on this kind of literary tour that I was launched into after reading what what my buddy wrote because it reminded me of so many other things that I've heard and so many other things that I've read and so another great you know viewpoint comes from Eugene Sledge and he wrote the book with the old breed which is a classic and we covered it

podcast number 10 if you want to stop now go back and listen to podcast 10 with Eugene Sled with Eugene Sledge with the old breed it's just incredible account of what he went through in World War II in the in the Pacific theater with the Marine Corps But he wrote another book after that and the next book they wrote was called China Marine And it talks about what they did when the war ended You know and the time he spent sort of pacifying and in-country Spent some time in China and then it talks about what it was like when he got back to America back to Mobile Alabama and it's definitely impactful definitely impactful so here's what he came to came home to and I'm going to

pick up where his dad he's talking to his dad and his dad was a physician during World War I and that's one of the reasons his dad was if you remember Eugene Sledge couldn't get in the Marine Corps at first because he had I think he had a heart murmur or something like that and so they didn't let him in and his dad was kind of okay with that then the reason he was okay with that was because he had seen what the boys from World War I had come home like not only physically but also psychologically guys had guys had the shell shock which is horrible when you see and again I've said this before go on YouTube and look at

videos of World War I's shell shock it's it's horrifying to look at and that's what Eugene Sledge's father had seen and so when his son couldn't go in the Marine Corps. He was kind of like, oh, okay. You know, you can serve in other ways, and Eugene Sledge wanted to serve. And so Eugene Sledge got, he actually got a waiver, and I guess the heart murmur had faded enough or they didn't notice it until he got in the Marine Corps. But when he comes back, his dad, his dad is talking to him, and I think it's a good

place to pick up. His dad called him Fritz. That was Eugene Sledge's nickname at home. So here we go. Eugene Sledge's dad talking to him Fritz he said I know you've been through an awful experience I know that nobody had it worse than the first Marine division except maybe those on baton and those others who were imprisoned

I'm tremendously proud of both you and Edward you did your duty under terrifying conditions but you survived in one piece granted with some terrible memories you'll have to learn to live with but take my advice first never become embittered because many other men had safe comfortable war assignments all too often obtained through political influence that's the way of cowards in this world two never feel sorry for yourself because of what you endured

on the contrary feel fiercely proud that you served with the finest and fought against the fiercest enemy and lived to tell the tale three if you ever drink alcohol do it in moderation Alcohol can be a wonderful escape from bad memories, but it is addictive will make you act the fool and ultimately ruin you To the last remark I replied I know father I've seen that happen to good buddies recalling some of the worst cases in China He replied yes and I've treated some of the nice people who were ruined by the stuff but I can't cure them they must have willpower so really straightforward warning about alcohol check about not feeling bitter towards people that didn't maybe do or go through what he went through and be

proud of what you did now this is again just another piece That they actually in the HBO miniseries, the Pacific, they kind of portray this part of Eugene Sledge coming home. But it's worth reading his account of it. Back to the book. As my life settled down somewhat, I began to think of my future. Rather hastily, I decided to go to Auburn, then called Alabama Polytechnic Institute and major in business. I'll never forget my first day at Auburn. I was in the registrar's office in Sanford Hall.

The big room was crowded with long lines of entering students standing in front of tables behind which clerks were noticing or noting each student's college credits from service schools, determining which might transfer to Auburn. There was a loud hub hub of voices with about 100 people in the room. Some men, mostly air core veterans, had been to various technical schools, and Auburn gave them two years credit. All veterans were excused from ROTC and physical education. When I stepped up to the table at the head of the line, a pretty brunette about my age, probably a student's wife, asked pleasantly what schools I had attended in the Marine Corps.

I recited all the weapons and tactics schools we had in training. She became more and more disconcerted as she looked in vain on her checklist for anything remotely resembling what I was saying. Finally, in desperation, she slammed her pencil on the table and said in a loud, exasperated voice, Didn't the Marine Corps teach you anything? A gasp ran through the crowd, and you could have heard a pin drop. I didn't lose my temper, but I realized that, like most civilians, ward of this lady meant John Wayne or the sweet musical South Pacific. Slowly placing my hands on the table aware that all eyes were upon us. I said in a loud, calm voice, Lady, there was a killing war. The Marine Corps taught me how to kill Japs and try to survive.

Now if that don't fit into any academic course, I'm sorry, but some of us had to do the killing. And most of my buddies got killed or wounded. She was speechless. There were many red faces among the obvious non-combatants present. I doubt if there were half a dozen infantrymen or tankers present. She recovered her composure, looked me in the eye, and said, I'm so sorry, I apologize, I didn't understand. I told her she was very kind and I did not mean to upset her. You didn't, she said.

You made me think. So I got credit for ROTC and P.E. And the room returned to normal. The young lady wished me a long and happy life. I thanked her and left. I felt like some sort of an alien. And I realized that this sort of thing would confront me the rest of my days. The war had been so momentous to me.

I couldn't imagine anyone not sharing that view or appreciating the hell I had suffered in fact I was totally unprepared for how rapidly most Americans who did not experience combat would forget about the war the evils we faced and how incredibly tough it had been for us to defeat the Japanese and the Nazis I didn't realize how swiftly most Americans would once again take their freedom for granted clearly that applies to veterans and people that have been overseas fighting and you come back and it's like no one even knows that you were gone Yeah, it's like another thing you know you get that passage of time when

You go away for two or three months and you go back to where you're from and it seems like oh How long you've been gone for all three months? Oh, it seems like people think you were gone for a couple days or a couple weeks Yeah, it happens at the gym Like I'll go into the gym and and someone oh where you been? You know? I think I haven't seen him in a week And he says, oh, I tore my ACL. I've been gone for eight months. You know, it's one of those moments. And that happens with war, too.

Guys go away. They come back. You know, time just went by. And that can be frustrating because in those eight months or six months or 14 months that someone's deployed overseas fighting for their lives and they come home and that other person didn't even notice they were gone. Yeah. I mean, I feel bad when somebody had an ACL tear and I didn't know it. You know, I feel kind of bad.

Yeah. And I haven't seen you for eight months. You know, I feel like I'd feel bad about it. it and I'm sure that person saying you know jaco gese we used to train all the time and you didn't even realize that I was gone you thought I was gone for a week right mean anything kind of yeah exactly well imagine how that feels to a veteran that's coming back from war and that is this isn't this isn't like some odd case this is the norm that's actually the norm yeah I mean it's different for the direct family that's waiting for the individual to come home then those six month

deployments or 14 months deployment seem like an eternity Yeah But for that casual person or that acquaintance that you don't know that well They're thinking oh oh did you where you been? Yeah, oh yeah I was overseas fighting Yeah, and he's got the way he kind of wraps up This book and his epilogue and again, you know this is another book that we'll probably explore at some point in detail But going to the way the topics that he brings up as he closes out and reflections on how the war impacted he him psychologically here we go back to the book looking back over the momentous events of

50 years ago when I was a Marine evoked strong emotions the years immediately after the war were the hardest as Paul Fussell remarked the combat veteran not only has to survive his experience he has to learn to live with it the rest of his life he was so right for the first 20 odd years after my return nightmares occurred frequently waking me either crying or yelling always sweating and with a pounding heart some nights I delayed going to bed dreading the inevitable nightmares old comrades wrote me that similar troubles drove many of them to drink and to the ensuing misery of alcoholism which they beat with sheer self-discipline

Eventually, the war left me with a deep appreciation for the simple things in life. Putting on a clean pair of dry socks is one of the greatest luxuries I know. A shave, a warm shower, and sleeping in a sheeted bed are too. When it is raining, especially on an autumn day, I look out the window at the falling drops and my thoughts sometimes drift back to those awful days on Okinawa, Snafu and I bailing out a muddy foxhole with an old helmet, shivering in a torrential cold rain. And both of us,

cringing as each Japanese shell came screaming into the corpse-strewn area to explode with a deafening crash. I quickly bring my mind, the focus of my mind, back to the present, and thank God I didn't have to suffer hardship. and misery again and oh what a blessing to be relieved of constant terror my love of the outdoors was strangely affected by the war the way I looked at my surroundings was altered my view of the outdoors had taken a more analytical perspective of its features as military terrain likely areas for the placement of various foxholes the company 60

millimeter mortars to cover defilades the light machine guns so as to achieve crossfires along the company front fields of fire and possible avenues of enemy attack or ambush This change and outlook was intense in the early years home, but I cleared my mind of it by concentrating on plant and animal species Present or probable But the old combat view of things still creeps in sometimes after more than 50 years And that's something that definitely stick every guy I know that's been overseas every guy every guy every day every day every thing we look at we see it as some kind of military terrain in the city for me Especially it's in the city because I did most of my combat was urban combat and that's what I'm looking at all the time not only on the highway

On the buildings when you're sitting around when you're sitting in a hotel room looking out in the street everything that you look at you look at from a combat perspective Now he He was a outdoorsman and He goes back he gets back from the war and he's going hunting and this is the first time that he's gone deer hunting after the war and he's out hunting with a group of people but he gets dropped off in one spot by himself they have a boat by a river they take a boat they drop him off alone and here we go back to the book two beautiful

does appeared walking briskly through the water as they exited the woods and stopped at the far edge of the pond about 30 yards away they kept looking toward the area of the drive and moving their ears to capture every sound possible more loud sloshing of water and two doze and a large buck came up to the first dose and stopped they finally looked in my direction I remained still and since the wind was blowing toward me the deer could not pick up my sent they stood motion motionless staring at me and standing up in the clump of cane they seem more concerned with the bang of the hounds than with me though because the way I held my rifle I could see my wristwatch so I timed the action

or inaction of the deer one of the doze picked up an acorn at the edge of the pond and ate it the buck was large and had a fine set of antlers the eight points gleaming in the light. Slowly I raised my rifle and sighted in on his chest. No. He was too fine a creature to kill. I had murdered one of his kind that morning, so I did not need the venison. Slowly I lowered my rifle.

The buck remained motionless, motionless. His instincts probably told him no shape. such as he saw in the cane was natural. Deer, like most mammals, have very poor sight, except for detecting motion and are primarily colorblind. For 15 minutes we stared at each other. A shot in the air would send them springing away into the woods, but a shot would frighten them, which I had no desire to do.

The deer seemed more curious than afraid. They kept sniffing the air, which apparently bore no scent of danger. I had on waterproof boots but was beginning to get cold finally I needed to move a little I knew that as soon as I did they would bolt so I whistled softly every big ear turned quickly in my direction I whistled softly again all the deer slowly lowered their ears turned went sloshing on the higher ground and ambled into the woods looking back at me once or twice the whole episode is one of my most cherished memories when Jim picked me up in the boat he asked if I had seen a deer I said no not wanting to

tell him I had seen five when we returned to camp several people asked me what I had seen and I reported a few squirrels and some wood ducks if I had told those eager hunters what had really happened they would have elected to throw me in the river Gus didn't allow any drinking during hunting hours so after the guns were all unloaded and put in their cases the bottled spirits were brought forth and the partiers all had a ball each of the weary hounds went to the fenced yard jumped up on the raised platforms and went into the barrel for a nap the platform was raised as protection against high water as well as alligators which have a special appetite for dog flesh we recrossed the river After a while and scattered to our homes. So ended my last deer hunt with the memory of that beautiful buck and his harem down the river. I have wondered how long he survived.

I am not anti-hunting as long as it is managed by wildlife experts. Most game animals outproduced their food supply, and since civilization has destroyed most of the natural predators, starvation results unless populations are controlled. by game management overseeing proper hunting practices but the terrified eyes of that spike buck I shot are something I'd like to forget I have felt the same terror when being shot at so hunting is not for me world war to give me a convenient measuring stick for duty courage terror friendship patience horror

endurance compassion discomfort grief grief and pain that has remained with me daily. The English poet Robert Graves said World War I affected him in much the same way. Anyone who has not suffered the prolonged fear and limitless fatigue that was the combat infantryman's lot might find this difficult to comprehend. Over 50 years later, I look back on the war as though it were some giant killing machine. into which we were thrown to endure fear to the brink of insanity. Some fell over the brink and physical fatigue to near collapse. Those who survived unhurt will never forget and cannot forget the many friends lost in

their prime and the many articles of civilization they ruthlessly destroyed. As I look back, some facts are quite clear. Japan's sneak bombing of Pearl Harbor destroyed many American lives, ships, and planes. We had no choice but to destroy Imperial Japan. The A-bomb ended that war. It saved millions of American lives by preventing a murderous invasion of Japan and the probable destruction of a suicidal Japanese population. The Japanese soldier was a bloodthirsty foe imbued with the coat of Bush. If we had not defeated an army that thought it was unbeatable, who knows how many American

cities might have shared the horrid rape of Nan King. In looking back, I'm still amazed I escaped the killing machine. Why I never fell killed or wounded in that storm of steel thrown at us countless times still astonishes me. I'm proud of the number of the enemy I fired on and hit with my mortar, rifle, or Tommy gun and regret the ones I missed. There is no mellowing for me. That would be to forgive all the atrocities the Japanese committed against millions of Asians and thousands of Americans. To mellow is to forget. Each man who survived, I am certain, was plucked from the mire of death by the Almighty.

And in this, I feel humble and grateful. Socrates said know thyself. I do. That he closes out that book. And the war taught me as well. And the war teaches me. And that's why I read about war and why I talk about war. And that's why so much of this podcast is about war

because war can teach us. But it's not only war that teaches us. Life, life teaches us. But that's only if we are humble and open-minded enough and attentive enough to watch and listen and learn from it. Not only from our own paths and the things we go through, but from what we see other people do. It's a teacher.

Life is a teacher and yet and you see this all the time There are people that do not learn from life and they make the same mistakes over and over and over again just Completely unaware of the lessons that are that are smacking them in the face Smacking them in the face and I think that's where you have to flip the switch in your brain that that hardship that you're facing that trial that tribulation embedded in that misery is a lesson a lesson if you're willing to learn from it and life is a hard teacher and speaking of learning last facebook live got some some good questions and i know this little uh

Rough transition. No, man. But, you know, it's just kind of a, going through all those different, different people's books, and you can see what war did to them, and you can see the similarities with all of them, that human beings put in really stressful situations,

human beings put in life, they have similar outcomes, right? I mean, there's commonalities in it. And I think the more we look for those commonalities, And the more individual you me the more I look for these commonalities and in different people's experiences the better off I'm gonna be right the more I'm gonna be able to understand what's happening to the world around me Yeah or to the people around me Yeah, and that's though one thing that I think is really important as is is seeing you know when you start talking about the the the life lessons hitting you in the face It's always if you're the person that's getting hit

That's the you're the even though you're the person that stands to gain the most from from understanding what's going on around you you're also the person that has the hardest time recognizing it it's just like when you're sitting outside of an MMA match or an MMA fight and you as the coach as the cornerman you can see what's happening and the guy that's getting punched in the face a lot of times they don't see what's hitting them and they don't think of it as a lesson they don't they're not taking anything positive away from it they're getting punched in the face yeah and it's not until someone says hey, the guy's hitting you with a left hook.

You know, or you're dropping your hands or whatever so that the person can make a correction. They're not learning from it. They're getting hit. And that's what happens to a lot of us in life is we're getting punched in the face, punch in the face, punch in the face. And we don't recognize we can't step back. We can't detach from being in that situation where we can actually assess what's going on and say, oh, okay, I see what's going on here. Yeah. I see what changes I got to make.

That's why. And then what happens is, this is what happens. What happens is you say oh Echo I see you're going through some hard times so I go up to you and say hey echo this is what you're doing this is what you should change and what happens Big ego flare up from echo you know how I feel you don't know how I feel you don't know what's going on You don't know what it's like you don't know what it's like you don't know what it's like getting punched in the face Bro I'm just trying to help you you don't get it So what we do our in our instinct is to put up defenses even when somebody's trying to help us out

Right so that means you got to get good to try to help people out too Yeah, because we already know that everyone gets defensive and that it's Everyone's ego flares up and that when you talk to your friend that's either a vet coming home and he's facing problems or someone that's having a hard time at work or someone that's having a hard time relationship or someone that's having a hard time with whatever addiction has gotten a hold of them All those things you got to learn how to how to talk to those people in a way that you're not being offensive to him Which is hard to do because we all take offense whenever somebody tells us that we're doing something wrong. We're all offended by it We're all offended by it Even the most positive helpful person your own your mom Right your mom comes to tell you something you get offended

You're your best friend comes and says hey you know you you you're doing this you're going down the wrong path here You don't know nothing about my path So having that detachment so you can see yourself and then having an open mind when somebody tries to help you and then when you are trying to help someone trying to do it it in a way that you don't attack their ego. Those are some good things to think about as you're going through life, trying to take lessons away from it. Man, so crazy how it applies again applies to everything. You know, it's like when you ever hear people say, if I knew then, what I know what I know

now? That's, of course, right? Of course. The jacked up thing is there's all kinds of people that know now. that tried to tell you then. There's so many places to get this information. You're saying if I knew then what I knew now, well then, guess what?

All kinds of people were trying to help you. We're trying to help me. We're trying to tell me what to do. I wasn't listening to any of them. My ego's too big. I know what I'm doing. I'm the smartest person in the world. You don't understand the situation.

It's going to be different for me. My life is special. My life is different. All those things. All those things that we say. So true. If we just had an open mind to listen to what people were trying to tell us. Yeah.

Or, or at a minimum, have an open mind to listen to what life was trying to tell us. Hard. It's funny because it's so true. Like how you, when you say, if I knew then,

what I know now. And you say, well, back then there was people, yelling at you. Screaming metaphor. Right there, giving you that knowledge

so you could have known then what you know now kind of thing. Then you got to go one step deeper and go, dang, well, I should have known then to listen to you guys. You know, I know to listen to you guys now kind of thing. Man, it's like,

it's almost like this borderline impossible scenario. It is a hard scenario. There's some things in life, and this is so unfortunate, That you have to learn only from life. There's all these stupid things that people go through and you just you just you're watching them go through it. Yeah and and again I talk about this story where you you you get you get someone that's going down a downward spiral. You pick the downward spiral that they're on. Yeah, whether it's their relationship that they're in as a disaster whether they're getting addicted to whatever you want to get addicted to. Yeah. You know whether that's work whether that's whether that's work whether that's That's alcohol, whether that's drugs, whether that's gambling, whatever thing you want to be addicted to.

You pick the downward spiral that you want to jump on. The person that's on that downward spiral, they don't see it. And everybody that's outside of the spiral can absolutely identify it and tell them and they don't want to get off. I mean, I know, hey, addictions are horrible, right? And that's why they're called addictions. And that's why people ride that downward spiral until it destroys them. Like Eugene Sledge's dad talked about. It's like, hey, it'll ruin you.

Yeah. The only way out is willpower. The only way out. And then Eugene says you've got to defeat it with pure self-discipline. Yeah. Yeah, you can have fun little games with your mind and win. It's their little like chess matches, which with your mind with alcohol. I know that from experience.

And when we first started doing the podcast, I didn't realize that you drank as much as you drank at that time. Yeah. I was like because we we were recording. Yeah and you poured one out and I was like what are you doing bro? I'm like in here to You know get after it and you're you're gonna have a drink during this? Yeah. Well in my Slight defense that one drink wouldn't really affect yeah anything and I know this because other people tell me this and I feel this where even if I'll get hammered this was back then You couldn't really tell that people would be like oh you don't even even seem at all meanwhile on the inside I'm like but yeah and here's another thing and this can apply to a lot of people I think not everybody but maybe some people where you know how I was the

kind where I would only drink at home when I did work here's the thing though I work that's the most bizarre thing yeah when I go out to the textbook definition of an alcoholic yeah drinking at home alone while you're working no I'm sure it's one of the same potential symptoms but straight up not potential when I went to like the bar or some like hang out. I didn't really go to the club. I mean, no,

after I stopped working at the club, I hardly went. But, you know, to go hang out and stuff, I'd drink way less. I wouldn't even really want to drink that much. But at home working,

that's when I would drink. But like I said, I work every single night. And for a long time, too. So it was like every night for like years and years and years. But the only problems that it would kind of create were these kind of covert problems. Like the next day I wasn't his driven.

to do much. I'd work out. I'd go train. I'd do all the stuff that I've been doing for whatever years. But you know, like how you've learned something new to bring, you know, X, Y, Z element of your life to the next level kind of thing.

It would really get in the way of that. So you're kind of staying at level like three. Yeah, but here's the thing, though, in certain ways I was learning a lot because you learn a lot when I work and stuff, when I do,

you know, all these programs and do video stuff, you learn a lot while you do it. So, man, I was learning and getting better at my stuff. So in a way, the problems, like I said, weren't real obvious. And then after a while, like, after time, goes, you know what it was?

What really brought the problems to light was fucking hang with you. Because you'd be like, okay, we're here. Now we're going here. To this week, we're on like a whole different thing. And I'm like, man, I can hardly keep up with Jocko. So at night, I'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm keeping up with Jock. But the next day, I'm thinking when you're doing stuff early in the morning, you're doing stuff during the day.

You're letting me know, okay, now we got this. And I'm like, dang, I just basically. you've been recovering all day because I don't feel that good. I did a workout. Oh, yeah, because we used to record the podcast at night to later at night. Yeah. And so we'd get done at one o'clock in the morning.

And yeah, I'd have to get after it in the morning and you'd not have to. Yeah, exactly right. So it's weird. When you do that routine, you get this weird second. I think your body just gets ready to do work and stuff. You know how you do something over and over.

Your body just kind of just accommodates the schedule. So I was like, At night I'd do fine, but during the day, I wouldn't want to do nothing. Meanwhile, you're doing all this stuff. And I was like, man. And not to mention all the things that we talked about. And I was like, oh, I got tricked by my brain. Meanwhile, at the expense of my whole life, aside from those, you know, for hours at night.

The other thing that sucks for you is that because you were kind of, because the problems were covert, there wasn't any, I'm assuming that there wasn't any external people trying to help you and be like, hey, echo, you shouldn't drink at night. Because you were still maintaining unacceptable standard of humanity. Yeah. So, and you, you're taking care of your wife. You're taking care of your young daughter. And so you're doing what you're responsible to do, what your responsibilities are or being handled. They're just being handled at level three. And level three was okay.

Maybe people thought that was where you were at, you know? Actually, and this may sound better, but this is worse. They were being held at level, essentially level 10. Everything like I care, everything I cared about was being handled. Everything like to the really high level like hanging with the kids talking with me so my wife would go to bed earlier than me So then you'd save late working working drinking I could still wake up. I'd be messed you know not not that like happy Mm-hmm to be awake, but I would that would never that would never show dealing with other people and then there'd be times of where I if I was just too and really just I just felt tired. That's what it was. I didn't feel hung over. You know this is actually brings up a Good point is that I think a lot of times people spend

Because they're because they're achieving a minimum standard or maybe even a medium standard Yeah Oh, or a solid standard in your case from your perspective To me was I was working. Yeah, you were working you were getting your job done Yeah, making making making good money and your family and doing workouts like hard good workouts during the day But everything else I was like oh my god I can't do this I But I bet there's always

So basically If you're not looking at yourself with a critical eye You can get by with a lot as a person as a human being You can if you're not looking if you're not looking at yourself with a critical eye You are gonna get you you're not gonna reach your potential because you're not gonna push yourself as hard as you possibly can Which is you know the MMA fighters when I was trained a lot of MMA fighters. I would tell them listen You can train without a coach

and you can train to let's let's say you're super disciplined you can get to like 84%. This is an interesting dichotomy. You can get to 84% of your max output of your pushing yourself. A coach is then going to take you to the next level and he's going to get you to 98%. But this is what's interesting. The last 2% goes back on the individual. So let's say I'm training you for Jiu Jitsu tournament If you just trained yourself for the Jitsu tournament

You get to 82% of your potential If I because that means because you're you know you get to the last round and you look at you go You know what I'm probably I might get hurt this round so I'm gonna take it off Or I might you know you're gonna make all those excuses you're not gonna hold hold a line right Now if I'm training you now I go okay okay echo you got to be here yep echo you're gonna do two more rounds Hey you're done with your rounds can do some burpees you know I'm gonna I'm gonna make you do that stuff so that's what a coach does but then you take that last that's gonna get you to 98% but the last two percent is back to you because I can't make you do the burpees as hard as you can I can make

you do them but I can't make you do them as hard as you can I can't I can make you do another round on the mat but I can't make you do it as hard as you can I can't make you try moves that I that you don't feel like trying yeah so it takes a little teamwork in those situations yeah and that's something I definitely saw with with MMA fighters is yeah without a coach they're not gonna push themselves hard yeah with a coach they'll push themselves harder but if you're gonna be a champion you got to get that last two percent yourself yeah and what's crazy is you can you can kind of make someone your coach even if they don't know it you know how like um

where, I mean, I think you'd kind of know that you're kind of the coach, you know, as far as, because your coach, probably anyone who interacts with you in your regular basis, they're going to kind of, at the very least, look at you and know that you wake up early and get a lot done for a reason, by the way. So they know that. So it's kind of like, okay, I can follow suit. You know, I can take cues from Jocko in this way and I can approve it. It doesn't have to be in the exact things that you're doing, but just in the stuff that they do. So I think if you actively do that where, I mean, I'm speaking from a place of supreme luxury, by the way, in regards to this where, you know, I'm like, you're talking about it directly to me every single week. And I'm like, yes, sir. And I go back and try, you know, try my best supply to my stuff. So, of course. But you can do that even if you watch someone on, I don't know, online or something or you read it. You know how people do like blogs and stuff like that. You know, if you're like a subscriber to a specific blog and you really like, you know, to the way they, they do things or whatever. You can, you can get that same effect in a smaller way, I think, but you can get that

same effect. You can definitely. But you just, you got to be like conscious of it though. And how you say, like, you have to have your own self, like, it's self-discipline for sure, but what did you say? You just said it. Self-awareness. Look at yourself with a critical eye. Yeah. You got to do that. And here's the opposite of that. In my opinion. And, in my opinion. And, from what I've seen, the enemy of looking at yourself with a critical eye is being good at justifying stuff. Yeah. Especially, you know, you know how they say smart people are dangerous in that way? Because they're really good at justifying. Because, yeah, rationalizing something and justifying something is exactly what it is. It is exactly what that says. It's justifying it.

Are you justified in X, Y, Z? And if you are, you are. So if you can justify something to yourself and you're good at it, it's okay. In your mind is literally okay. not a good situation to be in it's very dangerous yes he's very dangerous critical eye careful yeah that's a good one let me write yourself out yeah if you want to reach your maximum potential and move from level three you know to at least level eight yeah man so what I was saying is that got some pretty good little rapid fire questions you know I didn't want to take a bunch of time on them but I just want to at least address some of the questions that came on the Facebooky live.

Sure. I've got a stack of questions that have been coming in on Facebook and Twitter and those two primarily is where the big questions come into. And I got a stack of those that we'll get around to in a Q&A at some point. And also a lot of questions that get asked right now, heard them before. So if you have a question, if you haven't listened to the podcast at this point, you might want to just go back and listen to the other podcast because the question that you have about How many hours I sleep at night? And what time I go to bed and

You know those kind of things they're they're in the podcast and you don't not gonna talk about them too much anymore You could have like a um you're watching Jeopardy there would have been something cool about stopping the podcast At number 25 and said that's it. That's all you get and just because we addressed a bunch of stuff and then just let it marinate for a while like that would be season one you know how they do that and shows a good idea yeah we should have done that we should have done season one and then paused and let people really have marinated that first season and then season two comes and boom see I like that no no you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't never let that happen That's what I think well it depends because it strategically It's a good idea. It's a strategically good idea Yeah, I think it is because also you're gonna let that stuff marinate and then you're gonna get good feedback on a bulk of work That people can then say hey, this was a good area of topics that you discussed

Please readdress and hit the following concerns right, right and so we could attack those those concerns in such a manner. Yeah, I guess that's one way here I think this is I'm speaking selfishly here but I think this is a big deal where even if you repeat yourself even if you answer the same question literally the same question yeah over and over again it's like you know when you go to school or college or whatever yeah and you get a review every week yeah I think that yeah it is and jujitsu is the best example for me is jih Tzu I never I never absorb a move in the first try yeah you got to give you got to teach it to me you 12 different times I learn one 12th of it each time yeah and then 12 times later I know

the whole move perfect analogy if you if you if you Jocco's telling echo yeah hey don't complain like don't complain problem solve don't who cares about how you feel care about the objective kind of thing yeah you told me that one time even two times I and be like cool that sounds dope man I need to do that yeah and then next week next month six months later do you think that's sticking with me maybe it resonated with me Maybe, maybe not. But no. Got to build on it.

Yeah. If you're saying it every week to the point where it's like, I don't even hear your words. I just know it as the concept is just in there. That's when like when I hear people complaining, that's a big red flag violation just sticks out like a sore thumb. Or I see someone blaming someone. That's the reason it sticks out because. So back to this idea of having different seasons. If it was season one, people would, the recommendation would say go back and listen to them all again.

So you'd get reiterated on the exact. Points. It's good in theory, but it doesn't work like that. I think I don't know that's a I don't know Maybe we go to a hundred and then we do that's season one season one is two straight years of podcasts Yeah. Yeah, that could work because you know how Because this is the concepts and then we take one week off and then we start season two Oh week. Dang. I don't know Anyway, I like the way you've been doing it to be honest This is my input, one guy.

This is my input. Well, you do have 50% of the vote here, apparently. All right, well, let's get to these questions. Yeah, like I said, these are quick questions. Yeah, these are like, yeah, I like them, though. Okay, first question. I'm gonna read these just how they're listed and then we'll go through, you know,

swimming and or running for BJJ conditioning. Question mark. Yes, swimming and running are good for condition I would recommend that you use sprints slash interval training for both and I think that's gonna get you where you want to be Also it's good to have that good base cardio yeah, so that's good to But yeah, they're both good the best conditioning for Jiu Jitsu The the the shortfall of that is that You can sometimes push you you never mind sometimes you can push yourself harder in with a

burpees or with some kind of Metcon or swimming or running. You know, if you could do sprints, you should be breathing. You should be able to make yourself breathe harder doing sprints than you can doing rounds of Jiu-Jitsu for conditioning. Yeah. Now, the rounds of conditioning

in Jiu-Jitsu are more important. But if you want to push yourself extra hard, you've got to do something else. So swimming and running for Jiu-Sih Tijuana. Yes, they're good. Yeah. Use sprints. Yeah. And I agree. obviously as far as jujitsu i just learned this and i watched it it was on a marcello garcia

a video randomly i don't know um where he was like okay i don't do any other external exercise for conditioning whatever for jutsu i use jiu-sizs conditioning but i don't just do regular jiu jih Tis this is how i do it and he demonstrated it and he was going against a he's obviously a high high the highest level black belt so he grabs a guy and the guy's a blue belt i think and he's like okay this is how you do it for conditioning he's like go we're going to We're going to roll for whatever, however many minutes. They go, and he's like, boom, boom, boom. He's going one move, next move.

He's just going all. He's not even finishing moves. He's going to the next one. Then he'll finish. Then he'll start again. And he's going, you can tell he's going hard. He's essentially going as hard as he would if he had only 30 seconds, 45 seconds left on a high level compitude. That's how hard and fast he's going.

And he's like, okay. And he explains, you're just, your focus is going from move to move as fast and as hard as you can. and you're breathing and all this stuff. And it goes, that's how you get conditioning with jih Tzu. And I was like, dang, man, that's good because think about it. Just like how you said when you hit, let's say you have six rounds to go in regular jiu-jitsu training. It's so easy.

You're just focusing on doing your jiu-jitsu. And with jiu-jitsu is energy conservation, like all these things that are anti-conditioning. Yes, they are. So you can, you know, get into good spots. Let me take that one step even more granularly. If you take six rounds, the last 30s. seconds of each round it's and I I talked to Taylor and to Andy about this and I I said hey guys when we get to the last 30 seconds there should be no cruising

allowed at all you should be going for the finish and you should be going for the finish like if you got 30 seconds left go for the finish if you got 30 seconds left and you're in a bad position go for the escape as hard as you can burn yourself out that's a huge difference between how you can just go into I'm guilty as charged because like you said part of jiu jitsu is energy conservation so for me I'm really good at conserving energy yeah you can be cross-side mounted on me and you're you're not gonna make and I know I know I'll be arrogant right now if you mounted me or you got across the side on me and you and we had one minute left you cannot

submit me yeah you know what I mean like you cannot submit me I'm really good I've had Dean Lister, you know, mounted in on side control for the last 22 years. Yeah. Right. So I can defend myself well. So if you have one minute. Now, if I gave you five minutes, that story might be, well, you have one minute. That's how much time is left.

So I can completely go into cruise mode. Yeah. And that's the wrong answer. If you're going to try and get, if you're trying to survive for some reason, okay, well, then, yeah, utilize the, the conservation skills. But if you're trying to get some conditioning work and prepare yourself. for aggressive tournament style situations, you best put out. Yeah, and that's why, kind of in a way, going back to what you said about having a coach is where the coach will be like, hey, shark tank, you know, something like this?

Oh, yeah. They kind of avoid your capability, or they, yeah, they avoid your capability to treat Jiu Jitsu as just regular Jiu Jitsu energy conservation, efficiency, all this stuff. You know, that's when a lot of people ask me, what should I do for, my first tournament is in three days. What should I do? What should what should I look out for? And what I tell people is that okay The person that you go against in a jiu jitzy tournament is gonna go harder against you than anyone has gone against you in the gym period in the story It is a whole another level of Competition that you know white belt versus white belt the first time you go in a tournament as a white belt the person you're going on against

is going harder than anyone has gone against you in the gym period Yeah, you can't even when we would have MMA fighters fighting in the UFC It's near impossible to get get to get the training partners to go as hard against that guy as as As as their opponent is gonna go yeah it just it just not there. There's no Legitimate fire now occasionally you know you get guys that are really good training partners and they'll push you but that's why we do shark tank yeah because it's hard for me to get get, you know, four guys lined up to roll with you and everybody's going to go as hard as they possibly can. Yeah.

Everyone's going to match what you match a little bit. They're going to use what they have to use and that's so true, man. One thing you got to watch out for. There's a bunch of those elements in there when, when you're in a training scenario because you don't have the, you don't have that background hum of this means everything like a competition, you know? So, yeah. I mean, actually know who does go super hard is people that have never trained jiu-tis for.

First time in the gym, it's not a competition, but that that's the person that feels like. like a competition to them. It's so true. So true. I mean, I've been on the... Isn't it weird how crazy it is that you just take a guy that completely believes that they can kick everyone's ass and you bring them in the Jiu-Jitsu gym and they just get destroyed? Yeah.

Isn't that crazy? It's a crazy jih Tzu is a crazy thing. Yeah. It's an ego checker. That's kind of what I was thinking. And same thing with kind of MMA. I think Jiu-Jitsu and M.M.A. You know, kind of the same deal where it's kind of real, you know, where, you know, you're

talking about, you know, veterans come home and they come to everyday life and you people have no idea really what extreme stuff is, you know, and these people are, you know, they're walking around, just not knowing. Meanwhile, what they've been, what they've been through is just so extreme and they come back and they know they have that basis for comparison. And, you know, you get this teacher who's like, you know, mouthing off to the guy, I remember. And he goes, didn't war teach you anything, you know, kind of thing. And they don't know.

They don't know nothing, you know. Give them one day, give that teacher one day with, you know, it's just a big eye opener. So that's kind of how I feel with, like, jujitsu and MMA and stuff. And when you go out and when you hear people talking, you know, like, oh, I just, I'd kick that guy's ass, you know, kind of thing. And you're like, oh, my gosh. Give you go to the gym one day with a normal day.

A normal day. Three rounds. Because one round, people think you got lucky. I know, that's the crazy. Two rounds, they go, well, that might have been luck. But and then after you submit someone three times they're like okay that there's something I don't understand here and I want to learn it Give them one 10 minute round Oh God and watch them just be like this I can't do this

I can't like It's to the point especially early on you get a 10 minute round and you know because when you're going against someone There's that you're locked into it. Yeah, you have a straight up A normal person isn't gonna They're gonna be destroyed after because they're gonna be in a competition white belt mode going as hard as they can Again someone that's not using any strength or energy at all Who's destroying them and submitting them every 30 seconds Yeah

Man jih Tzu same deal all right, but yeah the run it what I did like about running like you know three four miles It what I found that that provided was um you know when you know when we'll do take take down battles and no one's getting each other I felt that it really kept me going like just being on your feet doing like low intensity pushing and I really had I felt that that it helped that Yeah, agree Check next quest next question What advice can you give on pushups and bench press for shoulder and peck injuries Slash recovery? Okay, real quick for all for all injuries what I say is do what you can and do what you can without hurting yourself So for instance if you can't do a full push up because it hurts your shoulder guess what?

Do a quarter push up and do a bunch of them and just get that range of motion. You're not going to get a full workout But get that range of motion, get it working, and then maybe in a week you can do a half pushup. And then you do half pushups. And then in another three weeks, you can do a three-quarter push-up. And then eventually you can do a full push-up, and then you start doing your deep push-ups in between rings or whatever. And you get it back. That's what I do. I do that with every body part that I have that might be injured for whatever reason.

I do what I can. Yeah. I do what I can. And specifically, I'll tell you what, bench press, I would use dumbbells. and not barbell because a barbell locks your arm into position and this is very similar to an Americana or a Camura. Both of those submission moves in Jiu-Jitsu are based on the same kind of general range of motion as a bench press. There's definitely something different about it and obviously it's you can do bench press. I mean people bench press, you know, hundreds and hundreds of pounds on a barbell so it can be done.

But essentially it is a similar motion if you're like with an Americana, which is a submission hold in Jiu-Jitsu if you can move where your wrist is You can it doesn't hurt at all you know if you put your wrist up by your head. It doesn't hurt all that can person can do an American all you all day Once you bring it down now it submits you and that's the way I look at a barbell and that's why I haven't done barbell bench pressing I don't even know how long Especially like a going for max I haven't done that I don't even remember the last time I did it but yeah for any of these injuries that you might have do what you can use minimum use the use the use the range of motion as you can don't re-injure yourself you know don't be don't be stupid but if it hurts your knee when you get to a half a squat do a quarter squat or little you know do a a three eighths squat yeah so that's what I recommend to

get through those yeah and it's um that's kind of the thing and I know this from And I had knee surgery and I had a quick recovery, quick recovery. And the reason that was was because, A, you're going to be smart, just like are you saying, you're going to be smart about your don't, I had knee surgery. I'm not going to go max squat, you know, four weeks later, you know, kind of thing. So, yeah, you take it slow. But at the same time, you go, you treat it like a workout. You do serious.

You treat it like a program. Yeah, exactly right. So some people was, I forget when I said, I don't know if I said it on here. but where people would get a shoulder injury, for example. And part of the rehab is like these stabilizations for your core. And they'll be like, I'm going to skip that day because I don't feel anything. That's ab muscles. Why would I do that?

I have a shoulder injury. So I'm going to skip that. And the next day I'll do my little shoulder exercises. I'll go through the motions and that's it. But if you treat it like a for real workout, like where you stretch it, you kind of push yourself, not in weight. But, you know, you do. You do a range of motion, all that stuff. Every element of your rehab has to be real important to you, including the consistency.

And if you do it that way, that'll be how. To me, and I don't know, I don't know the history of this question or nothing, but bench press for shoulder injuries and recovery. Not good. Yeah, that's not a hand-in-hand thing. Like so if you if you're concerned about Whether to you know whether or not to get your bench back up after you have a shoulder injury. Okay, but they still the bench has nothing do with recovery from shoulder injury What you do is all the little stabilization muscles in there like these weird motions and stuff like that Because a lot of times that's where you know another good another good

Compliment this is why I had a shoulder injury and it it hurt really bad to do regular pushups, but I could do ring pushups because it allows you to move away from those range of merchants that hurt you so that's good but yeah bench press for shoulder not good I had a guy a new guy officer in Ramadi who had showed up during deployment and he had a bad shoulder for something he's like hey sir I was I was wondering if you give me any good you know exercises I could do for for my shoulder which I have you know a bad shoulder and I was like yeah do muscle ups and he kind of looked at me a little strange and then later realized that Yeah, you know, I was having fun. That's a joke.

Yeah, that's a joke. Luckily, he didn't, like, heed my advice at the time. Yeah. He just thought, wow, this guy's, uh, insane. Shoulder and just rotators, any rotator stuff like this, like, you know, like a throwing ball motion. Just controlled in it. That's going to get you back. Yeah.

You can recover them. You can recover from it. Yeah. And that's the thing. And again, you have, just treat those rehab because there's nothing glamorous about this, that throwing motion, actually like a rotator cuff exercises. There's nothing alpha, exactly, right? So people would be like, oh, yeah, I'm not doing that.

You know, when I go in the job, I'm benching as, you know, I'm doing some, you know, military press. Yeah, but if you do, but Sarge, like, demonstrating. I had a kind of an injured shoulder like from the day before, and Sarge was like, dang, you know, Sarge demonstrates kind of heavy-handedly, and he rips my shoulder out. And it, I felt it pop out. Man, so now I can't lift anything above my head. So all I did was that rotator cuff. It's like a program.

It's like this way, front. back and then down here this way did that and it was only for like two weeks and it was just back yeah Unfortunately Sarge moved to Connecticut because he's one of my favorite training partners Yeah, so yeah he gives you an accurate look after yeah, yeah, and when he gets When he's like his go-to because he wrestled and he's got a sick double he would just get in this double leg mode He'd get up or something like we'd be scrambling he'd get up and I'd see the look on his face And here it comes here it comes and he'd Blass that double.

I remember. Hit that so hard. Launch me. I remember one time I rolled with him and I think you may have like seen part of it or something and you were like, oh, how was it rolling with Sarge? I was like, yeah, you know how you kind of explain how the roll went or whatever? And I was like, yeah, man. And then he turned on this modi.

You were like, oh, yeah, he sarged out on you. The funniest. Did you ever see him do that slingshot? So he used to have this defense from getting triangled and he would just, I can't really explain it but he would basically launch the other human being okay across the mat and it was awesome whenever he I'd say somebody to lock up a and he didn't care like it's funny put they put a triangle on him and he just he'd go into he'd do the slingshot and you just laugh at it because you know he's getting ready to launch somebody so yeah got a school in Connecticut by the way

if you're in Connecticut you can go train there what is it what's it called I didn't know that It's called Jiu-Jitsu life. That's what it's called. Okay, there you go. Yeah. One of my old teammates and one of my long-time training partners to get some with. Next. Next question.

Do you prep your own food daily or eat on the hoof and grab what you can? I do both. If I, if, you know, I generally don't pack up something and make a little meal because my travel's all weird and ran. them but yeah so when I can and and I'm at home so I make something up yeah yeah but I eat out a decent amount I got my go-toes and I go eat there sometimes they make good food for me yeah if you're on the program like back in the dreams yeah when I was in the teams I'd bring lunch for sure but it was never lunch because I never ate lunch never ate lunch never never was like okay guys I'm gonna go get me leave me alone for next hour

because I'm gonna go eat lunch no never ate lunch never you never see me saying hey guys okay let's call it for now and we'll go eat lunch and we'll meet you back here in an hour no not have you no don't eat lunch so what do you do work through lunch and stay late and then so when do you eat then just eat the one time of day oh yeah yeah kind of like i can eat and be on the phone i can eat and be at the computer i can eat and you know unless we're doing something physical and even then eat while you're doing something physical as long as you're not a metcon You missed this one. What would you recommend for striking training

as an effective real application practice? Boxing, Maitai. Okay. That's real easy. Start with boxing because it's easier to learn. You don't have to throw big kicks, but it's very effective martial art, boxing. And then once you get decent at that,

now you can go into Maitai and learn how to use your legs, your elbows, your knees, your head. So there you go. Yeah. Okay, boxing too, and this is strange, but it's absolutely true, is if you

if you don't have experience throwing punches and landing punches it's surprisingly hard yeah to punch someone's face and landed effectively yeah yeah you know how like like on the movies you know you see

I used to watch Maguire a lot so McGuire used to punch people and then he'd always shake his hand like aw oh really yeah like oh I hurt my hand every that was kind of one of the funny it does hurt your hand when you punch people that's the thing that's why I thought it was funny I'm sure in McGiver they were trying to make like oh my guy such a softie in that way.

Is that what I thought it was hard fighter? He's hardcore, like his brain. Like he's super smart. So, you know, he doesn't carry a gun. You know, he's not that guy. Doesn't need one. Has a paper clip. He has a brain.

Yeah, exactly right. Paperclip. So it's arm, nonetheless. That's kind of what that was indicating. But I thought it taught kind of a good lesson where if you, you know, you watch on TV guys just punching guys in the face and the head. But you can, if especially if you don't have experience punching, you can, you can,

probably will break your hand or hurt your hand at the very least. So if you go train boxing, even just once a week, some boxing or whatever, you really get to learn like, okay, if I start throwing these punches, the difference between,

it's just like jiu-jitsu, like six months of jiu-jitsu destroys someone with no jihitsu, six months of boxing does pretty damn good against someone with no boxing, for sure. Yeah, the only thing with boxing and like striking, you can kind of, not really,

I mean, people are going to get mad at even, Saying this but I don't mean this like straight up literally, but in the streets you can have Kind of some training you know like if you get in a bunch of street fights all the yeah yeah yeah You'll you'll you'll punch people in the face you learn yeah exactly right you learn what what you'll learn actually Mostly from being a legit street fighter is you learn the mindset Yeah, I know as stupid as that sounds but here's what you learn if I punch this guy as fast as I can before he's expecting it I'm a soccer punch him you'll become a good street fighter that's that's what street fighting is Street fighting a lot is done on aggression you know and if if you if you

You get in my face and I punch you in the face, you know, if you look at me and say, what's your problem? Boom, and I hit you. That's what a really like a good experienced street fighter that kicks a lot of people's asses. That's what they do. They are over aggressive. They don't care about getting to fight. They're not thinking about it. They're fighting.

And so when you say, hey, what's your crack? Right, right. Or the guy says, hey, what do you look crack? That's a, that's what a, that's what a street fighter is. They're going to take action very quickly. That's so you can learn a lot from that. So when you take that in someone, you know, when someone shows up at the MMA gym and they says, you know, I got a lot of street fights yeah and if they're that's most of the time that's bullshit but if it's not and

they're actually a guy that's been in a lot of fights and it's only so helpful because now they got someone that they're gonna shake hands with and then engage in combat so they've lost the what and I'm not saying it's a not a real thing you know some of my friends growing up were really good street fighters and this is how I'm saying this with kind of a little bit of knowledge is my friends that were really good street fighters what was made them good street Fighters wasn't that they studied boxing wasn't that they studied jit-to it was because they had a very aggressive mindset And so someone would say hey what's your crack and they were going ballistic right right you know or someone's someone says What do you look at crack? And that's it and it wasn't actually it wasn't crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack crack run away

Or or you know that's so yes that's what a street fighter has they have a mindset of they have been in fights before But they know that the aggression will take them a long way. Yeah it's kind of like a guy in let's say basketball who you know he has a home court or something and he just shoots a lot of shots You know yeah like he knows he knows how to make those shots but then now you put him on the basketball court He has no technical training with dribbling or anything. Yes, yes that is true that is true you you can learn the mechanics Yeah and then you on your own on your own you can learn the mechanics but the mechanics and then you could and the mechanics are going to be almost less helpful Yeah, that's what I mean. Then actually understanding the mindset and you know and then actually understanding the mindset of what's going to happen in a fight now the mechanics will be more helpful in basketball

But it's not once you get in a real game the first basketball game I ever played I I knew the mechanics and I got destroyed Every pass I threw for the first ten passes I threw got picked off and guys going down the other end of the court and scored I'm not even kidding that happened My dad was like a Hoosiers kind of guy. Do you see the movie Hoosiers? It's like hey, you're gonna work the mechanics You're gonna work ball handling you're gonna work passing not shooting no no no sparring or what is it called Scrimaging right you're just gonna learn the mechanics and then That would have been cool if I would have had a coach that had a different mindset

But the coach had the same who's your mindset as my dad Which is mechanics mechanics mechanics so I worked all these mechanics I had really good ball handing a good passing and then I got it was the first game I played in basketball I had never actually was almost I maybe I'd done a couple live games But I'd never played against anyone skilled dribbled down the court I was a point card dribbled down the court held up my fingers about okay we're gonna run play number three Went over the side through the ball and the dude just picked it off and the kid that I was playing against was a really good player the other guy that was guarding me He just destroyed me and the reason was didn't have the experience of live games now I actually brought that mentality when I was running training

I always you know you can sit there and learn mechanics in the kill house you can sit there and learn the mechanics of doing immediate action drills out in the field the mechanics are good you have to know them but you have to also be live and that's why I loved when they when the sealed teams when we went from just having live rounds and paper targets which everyone was that was like the highest form hey we try and we train with live fire that's the best thing and that's what I was raised to believe as soon as I saw we had sim munition and then once I realized how effective sim munition was like you don't even need simunition you can go run around literally saying bang bang at each other but you got people more than you got people more than we're moving and it's gonna help you so that that mindset came from trying to not be just be

Hoosiers you know Hoosiers that the movie Hoosiers is a basketball movie it's an awesome movie But the beginning is all just drilling and and my dad because I didn't play basketball I said dad I want to play basketball he said okay so he's teaching me how to play basketball But he was like a Hoosier guy you're gonna be good defense you're gonna be good at ball handling and and then unfortunately my coach was the same way my first coach was the same way seventh grade or eighth grade just like hey Hoosiers we're gonna have good defense and I dribbled out the court got well I know so be careful with that but someone that played streetball someone that played streetball exactly yeah and and and didn't no one ever taught him

ball handling no one ever taught him the theory behind a zone defense yeah that guy would have done infinitely better than I did in my first basketball game yeah my dad must have been hanging his head in shame You must have been what a loser How did I raise this kid? Yeah, but yeah, that's yeah, true It's the same same kind of thing Yeah, those street fighters

They know how it feels to like land a punch They know they have this kind of intuitive gauge On you know kind of distance in a way You know, just because they've been there Yeah, and so that's why when you train people For anything even in the business world Like don't just train the people The mechanics of a conversation

That they're supposed to have if they're a leader Just don't train them on the mechanics Here's what you say read this script No, put them live fire. I'm in there, yeah. Put them live fire. Roll play with them. Have them sit with you while you're going through something.

Have them go in there and talk to somebody that you told them how to act and act all crazy to do that, do that with them. Yeah, yeah. Check. Do you take creatine? I do not take creatine. I have taken creatine. I believe it is, it is an effective supplement. When, you remember phosphagen?

Yeah, phosphogen. Yeah. When that came out, that was the first creatine supplement. I was drinking so much of that. It was vanilla. It was disgusting. And I was on the I was on a ship at the time with a seal platoon and we were all trying to get as big as possible We were all taking creatine I was drinking so much phosphagane that I had to hold my nose and do it

You know hold my nose and do it like a shot So that's like a weight gainer Yeah, I was in full And then there's phosphagin Yeah Yeah well whichever one I was on phosphagin gain and it was only vanilla flayed which I don't even like vanilla flavor That's there there's your mistake no it was only one The Alfred at the time when it first came out because we were all in the game

But yeah, creatine is it is effective I never really had any of those big Side effects where people say you get dehydrated or whatever it really had that bloated I never really had that bloated I never really felt much of that But I don't take creatine right now. I haven't taken it for a long time Me neither and I don't actually I never did Maybe no I took this thing called beta jen. I think there was creatine in that This is like long time ago

Yeah, and it was good I think I mean I don't know but yeah I don't know much about it as far as what's true and what's not I hear great things and I hear junk things Welcome to the interwebs. Yeah Next do you ever It's a you ever surf in Europe I have not surfed in Europe I would like to surf in Europe I know that you boys up in Ireland got some big slabs So maybe at some point I'll get up and surf up there looks awesome It's very inconsistent though and very crazy with that

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then doctors sometimes are overly cautious so maybe get a second opinion so you can do it with but the bottom line is if you got a hundred pounds to lose here's what you need to do start moving some way somehow whether that starts off is walking where that starts off is walking where that starts off as doing some calisthenics whether it starts off as riding an exercise bike you need to start moving that's what you need to do and then you need to fix the diet because that's where most that weight loss is gonna come from and that's the best ways to kickstart things agree yes and you know how okay the diet thing real quick

that you know how like certain things you go into certain situations and you're hit with feelings or certain things that you weren't experienced I don't get feelings. I didn't I reject feelings. Yeah, but you know, then you'll fall into certain pitfalls because you're like, dang, I didn't really expect it to be like this, you know? And maybe if you went in there expecting certain things or understanding that certain things are going to come about, you have more will. So the diet thing, when you change your diet, if your diet, let's say your typical diet is poor, mean, typically that's going to mean it tastes good in some way.

You know, like, you know, whether it be, you know, fast food or just whatever, just just taste good. Yeah, a lot of sugar. Yeah, exactly right. So it tastes good. And foods that taste good have a certain chemical reaction in your brain and they play, they go hand in hand. Pleasure. We'll call it pleasure.

So when you refine your diet, typically that means it's going to be less sugar, you know, sometimes less fat. It depends on what kind of diet, you know, you go on. But if it's a better diet compared to your diet, you know, you go on. compared to your junk food diet based on taste and pleasure less tasty less tasty exactly right so It's one thing to be like okay. It doesn't taste as good and I can handle that. That's cool But the chemical reaction in your brain is basically going to be telling you like you need pleasure You are being deprived of pleasure and you're gonna be like no they're telling you your brain is telling you it's not just pleasure It's sustenance. It's survival exactly need yes not just you want you need yeah that donut. Yeah that was the standard. Yeah, you need it

That was the standard. So yeah, you got to get rid of that. And people call it cravings. That's your craving. But it's one thing to be like, okay, craving, I can overcome that for a lot of people. But it's a weird feeling. It goes beyond just a, I mean. You want to know a good way to kick things off?

Going on a fast, man. Going a 24-hour fast because I'll tell you what. The best thing about going on a fast, in my opinion, is how it recalibrate your, it recalibrates two things. Your actual feeling of hunger and it recalibrates your taste buds, too. Yeah. Because when you're eating this beautiful stuff all the time Yeah, that tastes so good and you just need more of it Yeah, whereas once you go on a fast when you have a glass of water it tastes good

Yeah, I got this tastes so good when you and then when you break the fast and you have Whatever you're gonna have whatever your first meal is it tastes really good and it's very Satisfying because you haven't eaten anything right. Yeah, your needs have been yeah, you You're neat. So that's one of the best things I found about fasting is that recalibrates those those two things. Hunger and taste and things start to taste better. It's like have you ever? Do you drink Coca-Cola, right?

So you're used to that sweet, sweet thing. Every once in a while. For me, because I don't drink it, if I taste it, it tastes over the top sweet, over the top. And that's because I've fasted from having. Coca-Cola's for so long that it just is a taste that I don't even like anymore. Yeah. But there's a middle ground where, hey, you can have it. You go, wow, this tastes incredibly good, but I don't need a ton of it because I got the satisfaction of the taste. Right. So, yeah, that's another good way to kick things off is go on a fast, go on a 24-hour fast.

You don't need food. Like I told when my daughter was going through her last wrestling season, she was telling me, she says, you know, Dad, I was thinking, because she's fasting, or not fasting, she's cutting weight. Never mind fasting. She's gotten weight. Yeah. Water. And her thing was like, you know, if a person can live for 30 days without food, I can make it till post weigh-ins. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. You're not starving. You're not. You're cutting weight. As big Tony, BTF, Tony used to say, like, you're not going to die. Oh, you're going to die. Oh, no. So dumb. I talked to Tony the other day on the phone. He was all fired. up we were laughing really hard I was telling a I was telling a story and he was laughing so hysterically that it was hard to understand so yeah big Tony yeah that was his thing we're not gonna you're not gonna just die if you don't have anything right now yeah stop see man that's so that says so much about what when you feel like eating just picture Tony yeah just picture BTF Tony

sitting there going you're not gonna die if you don't have that so dumb yeah just just be tougher yeah wrong with you man that's such a good for I mean it's real funny when he says it you know it makes you feel like really a real push but he's he's kind of right you know it's like you're like oh my gosh I'm just having this how how embarrassing is that imagine this imagine if you had to announce your stupid pathetic cravings and needs wants to the world yeah you know I imagine if I had to walk into a room into a group of people and say I cannot live another second longer without a donut like that would be so embarrassing as a human to say that and yet we think that way and we act that way

we do we don't say it right but our actions basically act that way we know that the donut is not needed yeah we know that the donut is not needed yeah if you were if you were starving for for 38 days eat a donut if you're on day 37 hold off you might find a steak in the meantime It's so bad man you said you mentioned that made me think that it's so bad That this is an official Effective way to like improve your diet this right here don't keep junk food in your house Yeah, that's that's one of the number one

Jump food junk food in your house you can't control yourself yeah, yeah and you can't rationalize too you know what's no big deal I'm not gonna start that I'm gonna fast in three weeks anyways so I'm gonna just eat this whatever right now that's how bad we are we can't control herself I like that idea I just thought of of just having to announce your weak thoughts to the whole world yeah and how stupid they would like if you're gonna carry out an action that's weak you should have to verbalize it first yeah I am about to eat this donut because I cannot survive without it announce your rationalization to the world yeah I'm going to skip this workout No, because my left pinky is sore from Jiu-Jitsu three weeks ago.

Yeah. No. Well, that's just that's a better rationalization than a lot of ones that I've dealt with. Straight up, I don't feel like it. Straight up. That's not good. Come on, Bill. Next question.

P-D-D or H-G-H-G-H question mark. That means, do you take these or? Or which one is better? Yeah, well, P-E-D is a general term. Performance enhancing drugs and HGH is a human growth hormones I think he's asking or this person is asking if you take them I do not or your thoughts on them the only performance enhancing drug that I take is Jocka white tea I take jacca white tea now it which being run through the Olympic committee to see it looks like it's going to get banned in the Olympics jacca white tea Yeah yeah because yeah Tony you too many records are being broken no I don't take any

thing never have yeah the HGH and well PEDs perform what's the performance performance Enhancing drugs steroids bro yeah but so let's say technically is caffeine a performance yeah I think it actually I don't know I don't know if I don't know well it is no I do know that it is in a performance enhancing drug it is yeah people take it and when they scientifically measure it is a performance hands and drug But I think for some reason it's legal. Yeah, like even in the Olympics or whatever. I don't think you, I think you do have a maximum that you could take.

I don't think you could just fill your blood with caffeine and go do, you know, your wrestling match. But, but. Might be. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. My, I have this friend called Kikoa, Kikoa, Killcoin is his name.

In college, he was like, I want to say outside linebacker. Maybe inside. I don't know. He's a linebacker. So he'd have a real good workout. And you know when you work out lifting you'd have you'd have a pump right you know you walk around with me so he'd take off his shirt sometimes and he'd be like like guys guys I think I'm on steroids I always thought that was the funniest thing nonetheless uh yeah no no steroids or PED jocco next do you believe in aliens I'm assuming they mean extraterrestrial aliens yeah I assume I assume they do mean that I my opinion on aliens is that I'm sure in this vast unknown world and universe there is likely to be other life forms that have some level of intelligence

Interesting how sure I'm gonna scale from one to ten how sure you are obviously you can't be tan Not very I'm over a five but well actually when you take the entire universe Yeah, which is so massive we can barely even comprehend it the chances are decent that there's some other somehow intelligent life form out there. Yeah. And you almost I mean you kind of have to ask wait like at this very time but then when you think about it there is really no time in a way like that's kind of relative to so in the whole existence would you say what nine are you level nine sure? This is a matter of opinion. Don't know I think nine I think like nine point

oh so you're a believer yeah I'm a believer I would be vast like if said some wizard guy was like okay you get to make a bet do you think there is or isn't I know the answer do you think there is or isn't you know wouldn't the wizard be proof of concept right there well talking to an alien what if he was a guy from the future okay and somehow figured it out I don't know right they they map the whole universe I don't know whatever I would bet yeah oh the cost is your life too by the way like you have to make a bet you have to make a choice and you if you get it right you live You get it wrong.

You die. I would bet yes. I would bet yes. I would bet yes. I would bet yes. Yeah. The thing is, is you would also, it would be interesting to have a scientist or talk to a scientist about the probability of human life. Like how incredibly tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny minuscule, like all the little things that had to happen for us to end up here.

Yeah. And it's a crazy number. Oh, yeah, it happened again. But then again, you, you compare that to the unknown, well, this universe that is so large, it's incomprehensible. The chances are it's happened somewhere. Yeah. Else. And even, I'm just, and that's in a way, a different point where it's like, you know, what would it take to, to make humans and wind up being humans?

If you look at it backwards, it seems really like, oh my gosh, this is this crazy, like, you know, know almost impossible odds yeah miracle kind of thing but you I can say that with everyday thing if you look at it backwards so like let's say I had like legos right okay we had this big bucket of Legos it was more the it was one of those big plastic tubs yeah it was just full of years and years and years of Lego sets and there's all in there if I were to take that tub full Legos and fucking pour it out on the ground on a marble circle So they scatter everywhere and and then it'll you know when they all settle

It'll be a little pattern right? Uh-huh of Legos various colors shape sizes all kinds different places spaces and to take that exact pattern down to the nanometer that exact pattern and be like this is the most special pattern in the entire world ever in existence this one is there is no way anyone ever, ever, ever could recreate this exact pattern down to the nanometer. It's impossible. That's why this pattern is so special. But it's just one of many potential eventualities, probably infinite, you know?

And when you end up at something and then say, okay, that what we happen to end up is special, that's looking at it backwards, like I said. So it's like the lottery winner, you know, the guy who wins the lottery, he's like, oh my gosh, I'm so special. No, if I took a ping pong ball and I saw it and I had a Mosh pit of one million people, one ping pong ball, I throw it in the mosh pit And then somebody catches it oh my gosh, I'm so special breath someone's gonna get it someone's gonna get the ping pong ball That's affirmative yeah, so it doesn't make it necessarily special unless you look at it backwards, you know if that guy's like I'm gonna go into another the other the other alien life form could be something that we could barely even imagine of what it's like, you know? And that probability-wise is what it is. Yeah.

Or it's going to be something like so small. Yeah. And but if it's like more a superior intelligence, it's going to be something we don't recognize. The same way, like if you have a caterpillar on a leaf and I see it from 10 yards away, I see that little caterpillar right right there. Hey, caterpillar are yelling at it. You know, the vibrations from my voice are hitting it. Hey, caterpillar, the caterpillar has no idea that you even exist.

Doesn't even know what a human is. Doesn't know about your problems. Doesn't know about your podcast. You know, meanwhile, you know a lot about your podcast. I don't know he doesn't listen to the podcast. I can say with a fair amount of certainty. Then I don't know, maybe he does. I don't know.

He has big butterfly plans for his future. Jocko. Next question. Next question. How can I encourage, bro. We can't talk more about aliens. I'll be happy to. No, we can't talk about aliens or Legos.

I'm telling you. Lego patterns. You know when people see UFOs, they go straight to, that's an alien. Even though it's unidentified. I can't do that remember what I was telling you with that kids book idea yeah yeah yeah you did tell me about that you don't have to tell me again either goes deep bro I'm telling you I'm telling you actually it's more about the flaws of how people consider or regard aliens potential aliens jaco how can I encourage a sense of urgency this is a hard one and in others yeah well yeah I think I'm assuming that this means with others but for either yourself or others what you have to realize is that time is going by very fast and when you have projects that are due the minute you look at them you got to say this is going to take longer than we think it's going to take let's start moving on it now and then set yourself really tight timelines to make things happen and that what that'll do is it'll make

you realize how far behind the power curve you are that was one of my rules when I was in the seal teams was I was always saying let's be as far ahead of the power curve as power as possible as we possibly can so is that a normal expression power curve like that's the thing that you're trying to stay ahead of because it's going to smash you so I would always you know just we didn't slow down the power curve if we got we thought we were ahead go ahead further but I I always had a really good sense that that power curve was coming to crush us so that's what you have to do get as far ahead of it as you can tell everyone where it is set some small goals say oh you don't think this is going to this project's going to take

long okay cool let's just finish this first 6% which means this this this and this and let's have that done by tomorrow afternoon tomorrow afternoon comes and they're not even close okay guess what we need to do a line we need to get a sense of urgency going so we can get this done that's it I know that to encourage a sense of urgency in yourself what you can do kind of works sometimes is you think about the feeling you're gonna have after it's done and then consider things that you already did get done you're have those things well you're different but sometimes we the people have things that man we need to do and it's just a

small thing you know and I'll do it I'll do it later I'm doing something right now I'll do it you know tomorrow yeah sure that's pretty intuitive to you but you know sometimes you do you just feel like doing it later I'm just gonna do it later because I'm thinking about something right now or I'm doing something right now and then do it now or while you're thinking about doing it just do it I know yes I don't think you're running with your kids all the time hey do the dishes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you'd already be done I know that's the thing that's the whole point right there so when you do it when you do the thing

Let's say you got to I don't know whatever you got to respond to an email. I don't know And after you do it that just that feeling right when it's done like dang that that that a that didn't take much A that's not going to be a case every time but didn't take much and B I'm done my dad My dad used to have this saying is what he'd say do it and it'll be done That's a good saying and as a kid I was like oh dear you're so smart that's like it is what it is. Yeah, I know it is what it is. You said that. You don't have to say that, you know, but... What's your dad's first name? Technically, it's William Charles, Jr. It goes by BC. It goes by BC. We have a new quote from BC. BC, oh, for Bill Charles. Bill Charles, yeah. Yeah, so BC is in the house.

Yeah. Do it and it is done. I like that one. Do it and it'll be done. Do it and it will be done. Yeah. I change it a a little bit. Do it and it's done. Yeah, same thing. Same idea. But his thing was always, yeah, exactly the same thing or the exact words bc do it and it'll be done yeah at me as a grown adult arguably yeah apparently the words didn't impact the way we wanted them now i'm seeing the genius of it you know doing it'll be done like you don't have to so good next question if jiu jitza is not locally available what would be the next best martial arts choice or the next best thing Or is the one-way 70-mile drive worth it? Thank you.

Meaning it's not locally available. It's 70 miles away. That's a long haul. So, yeah, there's a lot of other available martial arts. I would say you got judo and wrestling, and those exist in a lot of places that jujitsu doesn't exist. So wrestling, judo, sombo. Those are all good options, great options.

You can find a catch wrestling school. So there's definitely some options. Find a good grappling, but a real grappling school. What you want to watch out. for is a place that says it has karate kung fu and jujitsu you want to watch out for that place because that means the guy just put that up there because jiu jitsu is getting popular yeah so watch out for that guy and that one's pretty like across the board right there i mean i can't really imagine many exceptions where it's like you know like all the other ones and jiu jitsu and it's a

legitimate jr doesn't happen very often now you might have a place that says boxing wrestling and jiu jiu jitsu Yes, yes, yes. Probably legit, because you've got legit boxing, legit wrestling, legit judo, and legit jiu-jitsu. So you go, okay, that's cool. That's probably true. But when it's non-legit things, and they throw jiu-jitsu on the end of it,

watch out. And whenever I'm talking about jiu-jitsu, I'm talking about Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I've just got to make that clear, talking about Brazilian jihitsu, not other forms of jiu-jitsu. So be careful of that. You know what, though, I can't.

In the spirit of fairness, Yes, they're very well could be like, you know, because a lot of these guys, they'll, they'll have this vast background in like Kempo karate. You got to be careful. You're right. And then they, you know, maybe 15 years ago, they got jujitsu. No, for sure. Meanwhile, they're their traditionalists, but their jiu jihad is legit. That's why I said, just be careful of it.

Yeah, yeah. Just be careful of it. And most people, if 15 years ago, they started taking Brazilian jiu jihitsu and they got their black belt, their, their Tai Chi, Kwan whatever martial art is not on the list of what they teach at their school.

It's gone, actually. If they're a black belt and jih Tijuana, they're teaching Brazilian jiu jitsu. And they don't say Brazilian jiu jitsu plus Bo Khan, Kwan, or whatever. They don't say that. They're going to do that. And if they do it,

I actually am going to question. There are some questions. Yeah, there's questions. Again, can it be, can there be a legit person? Yes, there can. There are some legit dudes that are, you know, black belts in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and they're a black belt in some other traditional martial art that they took before that. That is, that does happen.

Most of the time when they realized that the white belt or blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu destroyed them and their martial art that they studied for 10 years, they don't put that on the list anymore. Right. That's why I, that's what it does to most people. So that's why there's questions. Yeah, questions. There's questions. So, yeah, wrestling, wrestling, well, I know I'm missing, and I apologize,

I apologize folks out there if I'm missing, but wrestling, judo, sombo, catch wrestling, those, now if there's no kind of grappling, then you, boxing, Muay, that's your next best option, so that you're still learning how to fight, you just aren't getting the groundwork, and you definitely want to get the groundwork at some point. So and then the question on the 70 mile drive I get this a lot too some people They have no martial art in their area and they have a martial they have jih Tzu 70 miles away what should I do my vote in that situation is get some mats at your house get two or three of your friends that want to learn how to fight

Start watching YouTube videos and once a week on the Saturday go down to that's jiu jitsu school when we were training it back at Fabio's Puck in there was there was people like that they lived in they lived in they lived somewhere in in the desert of Southern California. There was no jiu-jitsu. They worked nine to five. And then on Saturday, they'd come out and train. And that's what they got. And they go home and work on their drills with their three guys

that they were driving 80 miles to come and train on the weekends. So yeah, that's a method of doing it too. You can train on your own with your buddies on the mats that you get and watching YouTube or whatever online mechanism you want to use. and then once a week you come and you make the track and you learn and you get to train with other people and you see where you're at.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Very good. Yeah, the next best thing is a hard, I guess it's some total matter of opinion. But I feel like wrestling, like if you went, like, well, wrestling is like a really good tool.

It depends on what you're doing. Like why you're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Like for a self-ta, yeah. Wrestling is awesome. Yeah, I know that. Wrestling is awesome.

Wrestling gives you such a massive advantage, not only in jiu-jitsu, but in life. Yeah. It gives you an advantage. So, wrestling is awesome. That being said, judo is awesome too. And if you train,

but there's more of a variation in judo schools, right? And a high-end judo school, those people are awesome. And that's a great, Martial art and you learn groundwork you learn takedowns It's a great martial art don't no question about it There are some weak judo schools though Judo has a little bit of a tendency to

Sometimes judo people can adapt some of the traditional marts Traditional martial arts attitude Including the attitude of of we're not actually training and so that has happened but that that's less that doesn't happen very often so yeah if you can find a good judo the way you find if it's good judo school go and put on a gie and and say let's fight or let me train with you yeah and they're gonna put you just they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna take you down and be able to work you over that's what judo is judo is very similar to jihitsu very similar to jihitsu so judo's a great thing to have wrestling is a great thing to have for sure sombo is awesome sombo is actually like judo and wrestling together

so sombo's great same with catch wrestling again there's catch wrestling is a little less with catch wrestling you're you're you're a little bit more apt to find somebody that doesn't actually know what they're doing and so you have to be careful of that there's some phenomenal catch wrestling schools though for sure yeah so i think we got time for like one more of these yes Jocko, how do I get the desire to have discipline? How do I get the desire to have discipline? I keep getting asked this type of question, how do I get discipline, or how do I want discipline,

or how do I maintain discipline? And the answer, it's a simple answer, but obviously it's not easy and there's all kinds of little tricks and methods that people talk about and you know they have some merit you know maybe they do work these these things you know do the little things people say and wake up early I say that and write things down and take cold showers and tell everyone what you're going to do So broadcast it and make promises or or make bets with with your friends of something that you don't want to lose and And those things those ideas

They're they're cool. I'm sure they're gonna have some impact and if they work for you That's that's awesome But the fact of the matter is that the reason discipline is hard to maintain is because it is hard to maintain That's what makes discipline hard It's hard. And if you hear me claim that Discipline is easy for me Then straight up that's just my ego talking

That's what that is because I'm Unfortunately just as human as everyone else and it is a work to maintain the discipline. That's what it is work. I? I? I'm Work. I? holding the line maintaining the standard giving no slack none that's the discipline that's the discipline and it is hard and if there's one thing I would say that does make it easier it's to envision what it feels like when you're done What it feels like after you've worked out, or you've held the line on your food intake,

or you've pushed through some monotonous project that you have to do, and all those things, when they're done, they feel good. And contrary to that, envision what you will feel like later when you let the discipline slack. you know the feeling weak and defeated and you know that you're falling behind so get to know those two different types of feelings and ask yourself which one you want to feel in 10 minutes or in a half an hour when when the thing is done when the discipline has been implemented Remember what that feels like and then remember that those minutes and those hours they turn into weeks and months and years and holding the line in those critical minutes will put you in an infinitely better place physically and mentally if you maintain the discipline. So work through the weakness.

fight through the temptation hold the line the line maintain the discipline it is not easy but it is worth it because yes because discipline equals all I've got for tonight so echo speaking of discipline perhaps in a discipline manner you could explain to us how we could support this podcast if we wanted to yeah if you wanted to for sure I feel like we should like we always do in a disciplined way talk about on it this by discipline I mean concise by the way oh okay I don't know about we're over two and a half hours or something like that something like this sure okay that doesn't control that doesn't you're not you know that doesn't play in your head does it you're in the game

You're here to get your job done. You care long it takes. Correct. Yeah. Nonetheless, last time I mentioned that I ran out of crude oil, you even said you should go to the store and buy some. Yeah. Did you? No.

The good thing is when I went home from our session, it had come in. Oh. Along with the orangutan. Oh, you got a new kettlebell. Yeah. Nice. Two of them? Or just one?

What's the weight? 54 pounds. You need to be. another one yeah so I want I want the zombie one for whatever the ring tank one's cool but the zombie one was really cool so they're out of them I think they're the same weight 54 so I want two 54s they're out of them so I was like yeah I'll just

get one of these just you know as a one off and then when the zombie ones come in check I'll get the two zombie ones so where is this what is this store that everything is that on it dot com but I'm explaining what it is just because people don't know Or they don't understand the importance. I think it's important. Nonetheless, krill oil came in. This is what you do.

And I mentioned this before. And this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to try to do. I should just do it and it'll be done. Stay on it. You know what that is, right? Stay on it. Oh, the automatic.

Yeah, the re. Oh, yeah. What do you even call it? The re. Automatic, automatic. Autoship. Automated shipment. Yeah, you just pay every month.

automatically comes yeah yeah I think you might even get a deal in now I don't know though but that's what I'm doing a mustache called stay on it yeah you know what man that's and a lot of people or companies do that you know like the you know you can do it on Amazon stuff yeah Amazon like to toilet paper you know things that you just use all duct tape that constantly running out of that that's that's a good deal I mean that's a good thing to do with basically everything By one time when I was drinking. Bark, I'm not drinking anymore. Hardly.

Who was it? It was Rudy. He asked me to do something, a video, or something. I don't know. And he was like, hey, can I pay you in vodka? What the hell is that? I kind of a savage even says that. I know, bro, Rudy.

Anyway, and he goes, can I pay you in vodka? I didn't tell him to get out of here. I was, I was consider it. I was like, wait a second. It kind of is like currency. When you drink every day, you know? This guy like, I'm going to spend that money anyway. So I'm like, hey, you know what I could do?

I'm just thinking it lasted for like five seconds. Maybe 10, maybe 20. But I thought to myself, hmm, think of how much money I would have charged them, like double it or triple it and get that much worth of vodka. Boom, I just saved 75, you know, 66%. You know what I'm saying? Okay, move on. Nonetheless, the point still stands. if you don't have to think about it, it just comes.

You don't have to run into this thing like me where I'm out of krill oil for one week. Actually, it was a little less than a week. It doesn't matter. I won't be out of it at all. So yeah, stay on it. That's the one. Crill oil, strong bone.

Didn't run out of that, by the way. And that's good, man. That stuff is good. It's weird how, I told you, right, how my shoulder was jacked, like the tendon part. A weird spot too. Yeah, healthy. And I didn't even stop lifting.

You know how you get tendonitis. You're like, I got to stop lifting. or lift lighter, you know? Lighter, lighter is for suckers. Strong bone. Stay strong, get rid of the tendinitis and any bone issues. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

I'm not sure. I got to go back on the website. I get addicted to that website. It's like interesting stuff. I think it can delay or stop the onset of osteoporosis. I don't want to make that claim. I'm not making that claim.

I'm not making it. But I'm just saying that's what strontium does. nonetheless, good kettle bells on there, workout stuff. Especially if you like, you know how, if you go and bench, I don't bench, but if you do a, you know,

just repetitious shoulder press, I don't know, it can get boring. But if you're into, like, interesting type workouts, you know how like, you have a mace, right? Yeah, yeah, I do.

Yeah, and you have, like, yeah, I've got an on-it clubs. Yeah, I got all kinds of stuff. See, yeah, see, that's why you work out so much in early in the morning, because you're all looking forward to it. It's all interesting and fun. If you're into those interesting workouts,

and it's cool because you can look up a bunch of workouts just for one kettlebell, you know? So maces and, of course, they got the traditional stuff, jump rope whatnot, but they have these metal things. I don't know what they are, but it's like, you know, these are for working out. So it's like, man, you can't even get bored working out anymore. Really?

When you go on there. Anyway, website's interesting too. Anyway, this stuff, the supplements are outstanding they do have um yeah i'm gonna say it this nut butter blend also i got some mc t oil yeah you want mc t or mc t stands for yes i do medium chain triglycerides it's good for you anyway i cook with that one and i put it in what didn't you make like a dessert with it or something all kinds of stuff put it with something your mc t heavy whipping cream something anyway go on there

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Anymore, given the times we're in to not support your health. There's really no room for not supporting your health right now. All your needs are met. You're not going out and like, you're not hunting for food. Yeah. nonetheless do that on it dot com slash jaco also good way to support your brain is to read these books

Eugene sledge another one from him China Marine also around a war and a rumor of war and we go on I'm reading it upside down so yeah and we go on um those are powerful books on the website jocco podcast dot com there's a page it's called books from the episode top menu click on it boom all the from all the episodes with the link directly to Amazon. You get those books through there. That's a good way to support. Amazon click through. Or if you're doing any other kind of shopping,

just click through our website and get whatever you're going to get, including but not limited to these books. Duck tapes. Duck tapes? Maybe you need multiple roles. Duck tapes. But even if there's multiple rules, I think it's still duct tape.

Oh, yeah. You've got different types of duct tapes. Still, no. Okay. Or paper clips. Singular. Or whichever McGiver stuff that you're into getting. I've been getting more nice.

I'm going to bring them. Bro, you ever go on Amazon and be like, hey, this is cool. And then you know how they show you the little suggestions? And then you buy all the suggestions, too? You ever done that before? I don't actually buy all the suggestions, no, because I have discipline.

I need, so I went on there and I got a flashlight. You know how nowadays, flashlight technology. Yeah, flashlights are awesome. especially nowadays back in the day remember the ones that you had had like a it was like a suitcase flashlight they're not big but they're big so those were dope as a kid like if you had that one you were like the man yeah exactly right so I'm kind of reliving it so I'm like let me get a flashlight then you look at all the new flashlights out oh my gosh these are awesome so I'm like okay I'm gonna buy this one I'm buy a maglight

mag lights are dope because you can hit people with it in the in the event of having to use it for a weapon so I get one and then I click on it and there's very options on the length of it. I'm like, ooh. So I get the regular one, camouflage for my daughter. She's four. She likes flashlights like all kids do. I get two for me. One for Sarah two. It's a long one. It's called like a six cell, meaning it takes six batteries so you can imagine how long netting. It's like a straight of baton with a flashlight on it. So I got, I wind up getting nine flashlights. I don't need nine flashlights. This is an indication of a total last. of discipline while shopping on Amazon yes I hope you did the click through though yeah yes I did and I got a book too by the way so yeah sure I lacked Amazon flashlight shopping discipline but I got some cool flashlights there's this technique here I'll show you it you might even know this but I learned this in bouncer is security training and this was a technique that you're this illegal to use you can't use it as security because it's

offensive it's not Insecurity, you use minimum force necessary to affect a whatever, to diffuse situation, whatever. So this is what it is. Let's say this was a flashlight. And let's say this is the light part, right? Mm-hmm. So usually as a layperson, you hold the flashlight like this, right? Mm-hmm.

And in law enforcement and stuff like that, they hold it like this. Mm-hmm. It's kind of up above like that. So this is how you hold it. So you shan, you grip it right there by the head of it with the light. You shine it in the guy's face. Correct. And be like, calm down, calm down, calm down.

They can't really see you. They're just blinded by the light, kind of. And they're like, oh, and they hear your voice. And calm down, calm down. And men, you can get, and you flip it around and hit them with it. And you get those long mag lights that in the six cell. Full batteries. Boom.

They don't see it coming. They don't flinch. They don't blink. They don't anything. It's just a complete. You see light one moment for a split second. The light kind of goes down. Then you see a flash.

Then you see yeah you wake up that's it And man the video I saw a guy doing it to somebody I was like dang that guy It's like you know those eerie You know like when you see a person die whether it be on video or whatever He gets like shot and his body just goes limp he doesn't know it's coming nothing It looked like that he got hit with it so square and so hard and he didn't even flinch and it's a real effective thing Don't do it to people unless they're in your house or something like that anyway I digress

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some enhanced excerpts that what we're calling them sure the enhanced one what's the music on there right some B roll that's what it's called B roll anything that that's not the actual thing anyway and also what did I say I was gonna put on there last time I was gonna put on something on YouTube yeah some more videos more videos haven't seen him yet so whatever it sounds a big lie it's just it's just a theory at this point but nonetheless subscribe and boom you can you know support that way also jaco has a store it's called jaco store what's the website it's an online store jocco store.com so what this has if you don't know already

is t-shirts hoodies i think i'm going to put some light Hoodies on there summertime. You don't like that idea? No. Heavy or nothing? Yes. Heavy hoodie or no shirt? Yes.

Do you wear tank tops? Not really, you do? Yes. My wife threw a bunch of mine away about five or seven years ago. Because she didn't like you on the tank top. No, they were just all old and ratty and she just threw them away randomly. Yeah. Which was awesome.

Just don't throw away things that belong to me. That's not cool. It's one of those, it's like one of the four things that I, Still bring up to her. No kidding Like oh she'd be like oh I can't believe how hot it is today I'd be comfortable if I had a tank top I don't have any because you threw them away They were all ratty

Yeah, man She doesn't like the way you look in those tank tops It's offensive to her sensibility That's not cool Yeah man I'm just saying you know Stop pointing the finger Start pointing in the thumb right That's the expression right? Yeah

Yeah yeah you gotta watch out for that Strangely I don't watch out for your tank tops apparently in my house. You know the point there is someone did say, actually not many people saying tank tops would be cool. I don't wear tank tops. You do apparently. Yeah.

That's obviously a sore subject. Yeah. Let's make some tank tops. I'll do my whole wardrobe with tank tops. Bring them back in the game. Righty or not. Tank tops, here we come. Nonetheless.

We make them pre-rattied. Yeah. Oh, dang. Yeah. You know those kind? Put them on the sander. Yeah. nonetheless

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the rash cards are cool that's like to me actually there's a lot of good things on there in my opinion but nonetheless shirts on there they're cool if you want to support

do it that way go the website see if you like something get something hats are coming soon whatever that means but they'll be here soon also psychological warfare if you didn't know what that is i know you do but let's say you didn't know

what that was here i'm going to tell you it is an album with tracks jaco tracks jaco saying what hey these are the pragmatic logical reasons why you shouldn't slip on your diet or you're waking up early or this is why you should not skip through the workout this is why you shouldn't slack on the workout like all these little things that you'll the probability of you slacking on certain things in life or they fluctuate really but in the event of you slacking on something and you need a spot verbal verbal and psychological get this check this out search psychological warfare jocco willink on iTunes or amazon music or wherever they sell mp3s get that and get a little Got a little spot for your points of weakness in your

Yeah, journey. I said it and that helps also You can get jocco white tea on Amazon by the way. We talked about a little bit today The person said that they drank a cup of jocco white tea This morning before I left for muster zero zero two and ended up at muster zero one not saying that I've proven jocco white tea allows you travel through time and space, but here we are So again, this is a verified purchase review. So this is a person that actually experienced this. So we need to keep that in mind.

Jaka White Tea, you get on to Amazon.com. Also, Way the Warrior Kid, book for kids and possibly adults. I think we're starting to see that. Here is a review. I wish I had read this book before. It gives you an excellent path to a successful, fulfilled life. It is very easy, but don't be fooled. It's incredibly deep, too.

I think it is great for a 10-year-old or for an 80-year-old as you are never too old or too young to learn the basics of an honorable life worth living. Fantastic. A hundred stars. So that's pretty cool. Pick up the book. It's about how to be better, how to overcome the obstacles that we all face. And it's told through the voice of a 10-year-old boy named Mark. and his uncle

Uncle Jake who comes into his life to help him overcome some of these obstacles so there you go that's where the warrior kid also discipline equals freedom field manual

editing is complete at this time so many of these questions that I get asked about all the time are laid out in this book food workouts martial arts and my

My operating system. What that I've talked about on this podcast is in the book. In a written form, this book is like the podcast that you can read and absorb and refer back to. So the book is like the podcast, but you're going to see it's not a normal book. It's not normal. My publisher says, we've never published anything. Like this I don't think there's anything else published like this ever so it's a little different it's not a regular book just like this isn't a regular podcast Discipline equals freedom field manual You can pre-order it right now and of course extreme ownership leadership book

It based on what I learned during 20 years in the SEAL teams about leadership and especially from the battle of Vermont and How to take those lessons and apply them to the battlefield to business and to life wrote that with my brother Laf Babin who was on the battlefield with me and Ramadi also we have a leadership and management consulting company me Lafabin J.P. Danelle Dave Burke leadership and management alignment for your team if you want that email info at echelonfront.com and finally the muster Austin Texas July 13th and 14th too late sold out we're done with that one Not done with it. It's still going to happen, but you can't come because it's sold out. No more seats. We were able to bump it up a little bit.

I think we got to like 320 or 330. But that's it. We were supposed to only have 300. And then we rearranged some seats or whatever. So we got it to 320, I think. But that's it. We cannot put anyone else in there. Sold out.

So the next shot is back in San Diego, September 14th and 15th, back at the Omni Hotel on the Bay in San Diego. A lot of people from the... first muster in San Diego are coming back and I think that will be awesome to hear from people okay you went you went to the first muster you were you learn some things then you brought them back to apply them real world you hit some obstacles what are the obstacles that you hit let's figure out how to get around them that's muster zero zero four San Diego California after that we're not gonna go again with a muster for a while you know at least until sometime in 2018 probably

once again in the spring time but later in the spring so beware of that if you don't come to September it's gonna be a while and until the muster if you do want to communicate and hang out a little bit you can find us getting aft well you're not really getting after on the internet but you can find us typing letters into a keyboard on the interwebs that's right on Twitter on Instagram and in the Facebook Okay, oh ha, Echo is at Echo Charles, and I am at Jocko Willink. And thanks for listening and subscribing and supporting and spreading the word. But more important, thanks for grabbing a hold of the challenges and the struggles in your life and learning from them.

And then climbing up those challenges like a Jacob's ladder. And using them to elevate yourself instead of letting them drag you down. And when you get to the top, look around and give someone else a hand. Pull them up. Tell them what you learned. Try to do it in a tactful way. Try and teach them. And look around and see who can help you and teach you and what you can learn from other people.

And teach people to overcome challenges the same way that you did, the same way. the same way we all did by learning from our problems and our challenges and our struggles and after we learn from them we grab them by the throat and get after it so until next time this is echo and jaco out