Jocko Podcast - Jocko Underground: If You Think Tension Is Bad, You Might Be Wrong

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

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This is the Janko Underground Podcast number 104, sitting here with Echo Charles E.C. in the house post-Jiu-Jitsu. Sure, yes. How was it today? It was good today. Good. Good today. A lot of ups, a lot of downs, you know.

But net. Net, good. We're there. It was one of those days where you feel like going when you're going in. Because let's face it, some days you're like, oh, I don't feel like good. But today I felt like good. See, everybody. You know, I haven't seen a lot of the guys for a while.

There's a good rolls. Good, great roles today. Yeah. There's a time, period for me. And it's like two rounds deep. I'm sweating, a warm, feeling the Bajutsu in my body. Slowly. And then maybe seven rounds later, six rounds.

rounds later now it's like now everything's just like sweat everywhere and everything's slippery yeah but that time period those middle rounds it's like probably about six rounds yeah where you feel like you're not thinking about anything and it's just this is this the jiu jitzy you're kind of just in there what is it slap bump roll it's just like who's next yeah I was talking to some bros the other day in training after training you know the post training freaking debrief it of life, you know, kind of thing. And he was talking about work and work, you know,

can be stressful sometimes. He works down at the border. And, you know, it's like stressful sometimes he was like, bro, but I need this jujitsu. Yeah, I was like, bro, I was thinking about that. So then this is why, I know why. There's probably a million more reasons why, but let's say I'm stressed at work at home or whatever, right?

And it's on it's, and so when an incident happens that stresses you out or that makes you mad, we'll say, and or both, and it goes in your brain, you don't remember the incident from, moment to moment to moment to moment. It just leaves you with this thing in your brain that's like stress or piss off. I'm pissed off, whatever. And then you forget about it, but that feeling of piss off or whatever, stress remains there

because it's like association, right? You know why it's there if you have to reference it, but you just hold the feeling. And you're mad at everything now. Right, because that feeling is driving your overall mood, overall state, we'll say. So you got that. So you get one thing happen, two things happen, five things happen at work, one thing happened at home. Two things happen on the street. All this stuff. And now your brain has all these little stress patches on your brain. And you know which each little one, you can reference them,

but they're not constant. It's just a little stress patch on your brain. It's compounding. Compounding anger and frustration. Exactly right. Now you get to Jujits. I roll with Jocco. I roll with West or with whoever. I don't care. I'll roll with a white belt, a lower belt. I don't know, whatever. This guy's trying to choke me. So all that that compounding stress or whatever, you kind of have to push that aside because this is a new stress, a new very acute stress that takes its place. Jocko trying to choke me. Well, I better, I better do something about that and have the opportunity and capability to do something about that most of the time. Right. So I got to do with that stress. Jocco trying to pass my guard. I'm getting tired. Freaking all the stress that comes with the, the jiu-jitsu round,

You get one, you get two rounds, you get three rounds. Meanwhile, all those little stress patches that were, they got to get pushed aside. We don't have time. Your brain doesn't have time for that kind of stuff because Jocco is trying to choke me right now. Or I'm choking Jocko. You see what I'm saying? No. Nonetheless, this is the way it works.

We're trying to choke Jock. We are trying. And that trying creates a certain kind of stress. Good, bad, whatever you want to call it, but it's there. It takes precedent over all these little stress patches that were in your brain because they're slowly getting pushed aside. You can't think about what happened. at home, at work or whatever, while I'm trying to defend this choke.

It's hard to, it's very hard to think about that kind of stuff. And in fact, I can't even feel the feeling that that stuff created. Yeah. Because I'm feeling the feeling of Jocko trying to choke me, me trying to defend me, trying to pass his guard, me trying to do all this other stuff. Me being tired, his sweat dripping in my eye,

me slipping on the mind. Like all this stuff is taking precedent over all of that stuff. Yeah. And after a while, all that stuff is gone. Yeah, I was gonna say that's the big thing. It's gone. It's, it gets removed from the system.

Exactly right. Now, here's another thing. picture this picture this you were gonna you're eating dinner and you had meat you know steak on your plate and then you get done with your steak and now you put salad on on the same plate but there was like juice and blood and like whatever yeah and now your salads got some of that left in it right that's kind of like what's going on day to day so when you do jih Tjitsu that plate's getting clean didn't clean and this and here's the good thing and you're right about it being cleaned because all those will call them stress patches they get pushed aside and

actually at the end of the if you do one two three rounds they get pushed out of your brain yeah they're reset you can choose to remember them later you can if you want but that's later whatever forget about that right now now they got replaced with by the way you have to literally choose because they won't creep back in like they're gone right they it takes effort for them to especially to reengage like the way that they were but anyway forget about that for right now So now because they got replaced with the stress of jocco choked me me for trying to make choke him before the round ends on the street in the street And all this stress of a round of or two three four five six ten rounds of jiu jitsu all that stress replaced

The stress patches right replaced them here's this magic part of jiu jutsu once the 10 rounds are over you're done for the day All that stress disappears too Jocco's no longer trying to pass my guard that's all a memory I'm not tired anymore. I'm recovering Wait have I ever stayed in your head you when you left the map that's a whole difference That's a whole different conversation. What I'm saying, the stress of you trying to pass my guard is not there because you're not trying to pass my guard. That was the round we did. That's not happening anymore.

Me trying to choke you. That's not in my brain anymore because that's done with. It's not currently going on. So it's not leaving me with any feelings. Now, if you want to evaluate your performance and you get, you know, your goals attached to Jiu-Jitsu, that's a whole different thing. But I'm saying that's why Jiu-Jitsu eliminates the stress. Because you sent me a meme. the other day.

And it was a cat. I was driving a vehicle. And there was music playing. And he kind of looked. But the caption was when you leave Jiu-Jitsu after getting tapped out by everybody. By everybody.

And you said it was a deep, like there was meaning. There's layers to that thing. And this is, that is like one of the funnier ones. And I was like, it has a lot to do with how the cat looks and just he's just going about his business, but you can tell he has an internal struggle.

That's like the look on his face, but he's still, it's really funny. It's me leaving the gym after I get tapped out from everybody. It's just like, yeah, it's freaking funny. But yes, hey, that's real too. But that's a different kind of stress. Like, no one's really, I mean, unless you have jujitsu goals that you're very attached to, which is the thing I get it, but unless you're like that, you leave in the gym, I don't care if you get tapped out by everybody.

You don't care. You feel way better. It's way better than the stress of life. I'll tell you that. Jesus is just jitz is just for fun. And you know even when you get tapped up by everyone, which I have before, I've gone to Juzza and got tapped out by everybody before.

When I leave, the feeling of that is way better because there's so many good things that, like, you know, overtly that came from it. So, yeah, it's different. I mean, yeah, it sucks. That freaking, yeah, it sucks even tapped out by you a bunch of times, and then the text message reinforcing you remember when I talked to out today? Oh, freaking all night.

Yeah, that sucks. But, you know, whatever. some fun to it for sure check all right well there's a little jih Tzu unexpected jiu jit intro that's real from your patch stress patch free brain glad glad to hear about that I was thinking also it's a little bit from jiu jitza but tension even what we're talking about is tension and what I want to say I think oftentimes people they don't like tension they think tension is bad and I wanted to say in many cases tension is not bad it's actually in a lot of cases good let me give an example in shooting a pistol one of the ways that they teach out to shoot a

pistol is they call it the push pull method have you ever heard of that so you your dominant hand is pushing and your support hand is pulling so you create this like dynamic tension on your weapon um jiu jitsu which we just talked about you're creating tension, but you have a hook and you have a frame, right? I'm holding your neck, but I also have a crowbar and I also have my forearm in your shoulder.

So there's a dynamic tension. There's a tension there. You can't get away from me, but you can't come closer. I want to keep you there. I want to keep you in the right spot. I do that. If I let go my hook, you walk away.

If I let go my frame, you smash me. I got to have both those forces acting at the same time. People on teams, will have tension as well. You have the person that's a big risk taker versus the person that's conservative, right? Look, we should just go and execute this thing. Well, hold on, we need to consider.

You see what I'm saying? There's a tension there. The micromanager, it's like, we need to make sure that we're tracking everything that they're doing versus the hands offers. They can just kind of do what they want. There's going to be a tension there. The person that's detail oriented,

like we need to make sure we're run the numbers on this versus the person that's like big picture oriented. That's like, well, we'll be good. there's strategic approaches that have tension, right? You got one person saying, look, we need to keep the price down. You got another person saying, we got to keep the quality up.

There's tension between those two. In the SEAL teams, speed versus security. You can either go fast, but we have less security, but sometimes we say our security is our speed. But there's a tension. Someone's like, hey, dude, we should not. We need to set up security over there before we bound across that thing.

Someone else is like, hey, dude, while we're setting up security, we could already be across. So there's a natural tension there. There's a natural tension, high margin versus high volume. Right? We just need to sell as much as we can.

No, we need to sell stuff with a higher margin. High quality, high margin. Or like low quality, high volume. Long term versus short term all day. There's a tension between those two things. In business and life. And then even within a, company, you can have departments and divisions that there's tensions between seal team three task

unit bruiser, tension between Charlie platoon and Delta platoon. There's a tension, a natural tension. In a normal company, you get tension between sales and operations or tension between sales and marketing. There's tension between these things. And this is the thing. These things are okay and these things are normal. And actually, I think they're beneficial because in that tension, you find balance and you find solutions. So that's what we're doing as leaders. We are balancing these opposing forces. Did I say dichotomy? Maybe.

But that's what we are doing. We are balancing the tension between sales and operations, between quality versus cost, between speed versus security. We are balancing these things and I would say as a leader lean a little bit into the underdog You know I mean just to make sure that it's being heard it's being understood lean a little bit like let's support the underdog a little bit Don't go overboard Don't lean too hard But lean a little bit to make sure that you're that there's enough tension on the underdog You know kind of root for the underdog a little bit

You know if if sales has these real dynamic personalities and operations doesn't and they kind of are like winning the argument leave let's figure let's let's support let's balance out that tension a little bit so that's what we're doing we are constantly balancing these tensions and we're utilizing tension unfortunately like I said people often see tension is bad and and that causes problems because what we try so that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko underground podcast so if you want to continue to listen Go to jocco underground.com and subscribe.

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