Jocko Podcast - Jocko Underground: SANITY CHECK. You Can't Accurately See The Mob if You are Part Of The Mob | How to Overcome Fear

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

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This is the Janko Underground Podcast, number 89 sitting here with Echo Charles. I was talking to one of my seal buddies a few weeks ago. And he was running through some quotes from me. But it was from years ago. We were in trade at together. And he was saying, he just rattled off a few of them. And one of them was like, oh, that's a pretty good one. He said, I said, you can't sanity check things you are a part of.

You can't sanity check things that you are a part of This is an early manifestation of detachment Which I also talk about a lot back then But it's similar to also what I've been talking about I've been talking about this a bit on on the Academy The Extreme Ownership Academy And I've talked about it at Gettysburg anyways It's a topic that comes up a lot

I talk about when you're in a leadership position, you're in charge of a mob. And the mob is going to act like a mob, which means they have a mob mentality, which means they're going to have group think, which means they're all going to get in the same. The emotions are going to spread throughout that mob. And if they do something good and they start feeling good about it,

they're all going to feel good about it and they're going to become arrogant, if they're not careful, the leader is the one that has to put the stop to that. It can also go in the other direction. if they do something bad or they lose a game or they do a bad mission or you fail at a project or you don't get the client that you wanted to get. And all of a sudden the negativity starts to spread and morale starts to decline and it becomes a crisis of confidence.

That's also something that the leader has to put a stop to. But the leader can only do that. They can only see the direction of the mob and understand if the direction of the mob is correct if they're not in the mob. The leader has to be outside. the mob if they're going to see if something is right or wrong or see if the mob is heading in the right or wrong directions directions so this is critical to think about that's why when you watch a mob on TV it's like you understand that what they're doing is bad but they don't they

kind of do but why why are they doing it if they know it's bad if they know they could get arrested if they know they could they could they could they could they're damaging property that has nothing to do with whatever they're pissed about. You know all those things. But when you're in that mob, you're still just picking up a chair and throwing it through a window. Like that's what they're doing. Yeah.

Mob mentality. So you can't be in the mob. You have to be very careful as a leader of being in the mob. Now, this term, this thing that I said clearly was about planning because that's a common term that we used to use in the SEAL teams with sanity check. I think it's a common term anywhere.

But we definitely would do. Yes, Tom intern? Sanity check. Hey, give this thing a sanity check. Yeah. Like, am I crazy? Is this a crazy idea? It made sense, but I never heard.

I don't know if I heard. Well, we use it a lot. You know, hey, chief, can you check out? Can you just sanity check this for me? Or maybe the chief would come to the lieutenant. Hey, lieutenant, can you sanity check this to me? Like, it was a common term to say. But that part of the idea is that if you're part of what's happening, you can't sanity check it.

You can't, you're not capable of doing it. It's not possible. Unless you're really good at detachment then it becomes a little bit possible but but here's so so here's the takeaways from this Number one when you're in a leadership position if you can avoid it don't be a part of the granular planning Don't get into it because once you're into it you can't see a bunch of it you're part of the mob now Then you can't see what's happening so delegate the planning to the troops Delegate the planning to the team delegate to your subordinate planning to your subordinate leaders So they can they can come up with a plan and

And then you get to look at it. And I wrote about this in the book, Extreme Ownership. Then you get to stand back and be the tactical genius. Then you get to stand back and they present the plan to you and you go, hey, that's pretty good. Here's two things that you missed. And those are really important things. And you know, this is what, I think actually that's Leif's chapter in extreme ownership.

He's talking about me and how I would sit there and look at his plan. And I'd be like, hey, Leif, it's a really good plan, but you miss this piece of high ground over here. You know, what is Chachua tactical genius? How does you know this? It's because I wasn't all caught up in it. So, delegate the planning to the truth. Stand back and be the tactical genius.

That's number one. Number two, equally important, but it's the opposite. If you are part of that mob, you have to reach out and get an outside opinion, right? You have to make the effort to say, hey, can you come take a look at this and tell me if this makes sense or not? Because I'm part of this mob over here and my thinking might be corrupted by the mob, which is entirely possible. So you've got to ask for that input and then you actually have to listen to it Because a lot of times people don't like to listen to anybody else Especially when you've got a mob of seven people on your team that are all like oh this is gonna be the best thing ever

And then one outside opinion says well that's not gonna work too well because of this and you go you don't know who you're talking about So you got to just be careful that when you're part of the mob You listen to the mob you're part of the mob So be careful about that you're a little bit crazy when you're in a leadership position, don't be part of the mob. Yeah. That's what I got for today. Yeah, that mob thing is real.

And I've told you this before where when I was a bouncer and this is what they kind of teach you in. Bouncer academy? Bouncer academy. Yeah. Actually, it's like you get it's a security like certification course. Professor Dalton comes in. You should. Maybe.

For your guard card. You get your guard card. Okay. So it's a legit course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who teaches it? Is it a university or is it like a state run or what is it? Yeah, like probably I think county maybe.

I don't know. I don't know who runs it, but you know, yeah, yeah. You got it kind of a fish. You need this certification card to work. Oh, Echrotrol certified bouncer. All right. Literally, yeah. Anyway, it's what they teach you with, how long is the course?

Uh, something tells me three hours. Half hour. It's a crash course. Is it more than one day? Uh, I think it's, it's, One day? I don't know. I forget so it's like the because I've taken it multiple times so I forget if it was concealed carry class Which is like yeah, yeah, yeah, I would I would I would compare it to that. Okay, so so you're in this doctorate what they teach Of course course. One of the many things they teach you is actually the stuff in there is I still remember it pretty much like as a citizen. It helps you a lot even as a normal person. All right. Um, so anyway

In a case of emergency right like a fire scenario. He's like hey they need you. It's actually kind of it's leadership in a way. We're where not in a way it straight up is, because they say, hey, in a fire, people's automatic instinct is to go out where they came in. Like there can be an exit, fire exit right here. And I worked in this club where there's three levels or whatever. And if they came in the, it was called the Bitter End. Now it's called the TIP Secret.

I remember the Bitter End. Right across the street from Maloney's. But so he said, hey, they need you. Otherwise, it's going to be like panic. And people are all going to rush for that main exit. because most of them came in that way. So you have to essentially be the brain of the whole group, the group think, and direct them towards the exit.

And you better be loud because it's like they have a mind of their own, you know, kind of a thing. And I was like, huh, that makes sense. Because even like imagining myself in the situation, I would go through the main exit too. I wouldn't like look for the escape. No, I would. But the same thing. We should cover the course at some point, what you learned from them.

The card card card. But they tell you how to do a citizen's arrest. They do like all this stuff like it's there's a lot of like legal stuff where it's like a lot of technical stuff so you can like maneuver your way through it's actually pretty clever. I thought it's like a warning though right like when you get your CCW and everything's a warning. Yeah. Well like if you do this you're going to go to you're going to get find this. You're going to go to jail for that. Yeah. Basically if you if you are CCW meaning you have a concealed carry license, which you and I both have and you shoot someone. They're like. Get ready. Oh, yeah. Get ready. You're getting arrested. That's essentially it's, it's, what did they say?

I think you might have said this or maybe the instructor did where they said, if you fire your, like if you're, if you fire your weapon, just pretend that it has your name, address, social security number, and bank account on that bullet. Just imagine like that. All right. Yeah, they don't play around. So buckle up, man. And yeah, they offer all kinds of legal stuff or whatever.

It's so They're so sketch about it Is this guard card or CCW? CCW Where they're like Hey if anyone sees that on you Get ready The cops are gonna come

Because they don't know You know like Just because you have that license You can't just be like No I have a license Like people are gonna see you with a gun And they're gonna get scared Oh yeah

And they're gonna panic Yeah well there's huge de-confliction To be done too Because think about it You're in a shooting A shooting situation And you're in civilian clothes And you just pull out your gun

And start shooting people even if it's a bad guy and a cop comes up what is he thinking he you're getting shot oh yeah so it's a real you got to really think about what you're doing so a lot of the advice that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the jaco underground podcast so if you want to continue to listen go to jaco underground dot com and subscribe and we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the Jocko podcast, which will remain as is free for all, as long as we can keep it that way.

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