Jocko Podcast - Jocko Underground: The Way to Turn Your Rival Into Your Ally

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

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This is the Jocco Underground podcast number 179 sitting here with Kerry Hilton. We've got some questions from all of you. And we are going to try and provide some options, some courses of actions, and perhaps some guidance for you to utilize. And that's what we got. How are you doing? So did we pre-read the questions this time? We did a little pre-reading. A scanned.

Early on in the game in the early UG podcast, Echo Charles, would have to pre-read. He'd be like, just give me like 15 minutes. But I harassed him so much about it, telling him that that was weak. You need to get in the game. You need to figure it out.

So in Echo and my defense now, these are literally taken from the people. These are written in the people's words, right? We're not in here freaking, you know, formatting and adding punctual. This is straight up from the people. So we will try. to do their voice justice here.

Did you hear me in the break, read question, sight unseen? Yes. It sounded like I was having issues? No. I did that shit for a reason. I feel like you even like gave it a little character too, you know? Like I felt like I was hearing it from the person. Oh, there's a good times.

But yeah, in the beginning, Echo would. And Echo still can get jammed up, but he also will go heavy editing. Like he is no, he's no stranger to just write a note and really, rereading a whole thing. He has the skills jammed up. He has no shame. He will re-edit the whole question if he messes it up bad enough. I might have to do some editing here.

Let's see. Let's see how it goes. First question. Echo and Jocko. I'm taking on a new mission. Coaching and volunteering for the local water polo program I once played for. But there's a problem. The local swim coach, who I used to swim for.

has strong resentment toward water polo, accusing us of poaching her swimmers and harming their technique. We share the high school pool, and she's made things difficult, canceling our approved times and blocking us from hosting games by leveraging her influence with the pool management. The water polo director has tried to stay patient, but this is becoming disruptive. Ego is clearly in play on both sides, and even if I wanted to step in, I don't want to come off as hostile. How would you approach this kind of situation for the best chance of success? Thanks for all you do. Stay strong.

Brothers from the underground. Check. I'll give you. That's pretty good. We're improving. Yeah. Situation here, you know, it's unfortunate that's happening. It's also unfortunate that it's very common for this type of thing to be happening.

People looking out for themselves and looking out for that little rice bowl. I wonder where that term come from, rice bowl. Like, well, we've got the protecting the rice bowl. You ever heard that before? I haven't. I would imagine the East, though. Well, maybe. I mean, that'd be a good guess.

But you never heard that term before? Negative. Oh, well. It means that I've got my rice bowl and I'm going to look out for my little rice bowl over here. You got yours and you're looking out for yours. And you, and the person that asks the question is correct that making things antagonistic is not going to help the cause very much at all. in fact it'll make it worse so what I would do in this situation is I would as hard as it may seem as difficult as it may be I will do everything that I could to build a relationship with the women

the woman swim coach that's what I would do start to build a relationship listen to what I say to allow her to influence me put some trust in her to allow her to uh Treat her with respect. So she treats me with respect. Like that's what I'll do. Trustless and respect, influence and care. And equally,

I would also build a very strong relationship with the pool management. Right? So we're going to build a good relationship with the pool management. I would make sure that the pool is always clean when we're done and make sure that the, the kickboards were put away, that the stuff was swept up, that there's no garbage, that the schedule is, you know, good. My players were respectful. Like, I would make sure that we became the,

the golden boys of the pool area. So build a relationship up the chain of command with the pool management. I would probably make compromises that favor the swim team, right? Like, oh, you need it on Thursday night? What time? Okay, we'll come in after you. We'll go in before. So I'd make these little compromises to show that I'm here to, you know,

support the overall mission, the pool's mission, right? Not just my mission, though, the pool. And the swim team's part of the pool and the polo team's part of the pool. So we want everybody to have a good, you know, good winning long-term success. So I'm here for everyone. And that's why I'm going to move my practice. You want to put it back an hour? Cool, yep.

Can we get Tuesdays and Thursday at the other time? You know, I would do my best to make compromises that favor the swim team. And look, does that mean I'm going to be a pusover? No, I'm not going to be a pushover, but I'd make it very clear that I'm here to help. And I'm not just taking care of my own little rice bowl over it. And that's what I would do. And I think long term, this is going to be a long term strategy. And, you know, the actual woman coach, you know, she's going to, oh, she might see that

weakness and be like, oh, yes, actually, I need you not to be in here at all on Thursdays, right? So I hear it. And I'm not going to let that happen. But the pool management won't that let that let that. that happen either. So things aren't going to change overnight, build these relationships, and allow her to influence you, make decisions that are supporting of the team, the whole team, both teams, and in a long run, you're going to have the best possible outcome.

And I'm glad that you asked the question, the way you asked it, which is the best chance of success. You didn't say, like, how do I get this woman to back off? because she's not going to back off. She cares about her program, which we want her to. If you got a kid in her program, you want her to be fighting for the pool for that extra half an hour when the water polo kids turn up.

We need another half an hour and you do more laps. Like, that's what you want. She's engaged in her job. I'm happy about that. When I'm mad about that, how do we get her to see your side? You build a relationship with her. How do you get the management to see you build a relationship with the management?

That's what we're doing. If you're in this scenario, Are you involving the water polo team in this effort? Yeah, yeah. When I'd be like, hey, I mean, I might not say, hey, guys, here's what we're trying to do. But hey, when we're done, clean up the pool area. Hey, make sure there's no kickboards lying around. Hey, make sure we got the lanes, lines all put back out the way they're supposed to be.

Like, I would do that for sure. They'd know that we are squared away. Yep. Roger. Next question. Next question. I'm 42, never married. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing.

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