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Episode Date: October 7, 2021

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This is the Janko Underground podcast number 32 sitting here with Echo Charles. Echo Charles, we've got a topic for today to kick things off a little bit, maybe a universal topic. True or false, and we might go deeper than just true or false, because I think this is true and false and false and true. Everyone should know what it feels like to be in a physical altercation. and have their ass kicked. True or false? Where you at? I think I'm with you.

There's no... It depends, and it depends on what you mean by ass kicked. It depends. And at the end of the day, I think there's a lot of benefit to having that happen and a lot of benefit to not having that happen.

So I am going to lean towards the benefits of having it happen. And I think one of the reasons that I'm there is, as you've heard me say many times, the most important quality for a leader or a person. Because I got to add that. This isn't just about leadership. This is a person.

Most in quality, important characteristic or quality for a leader or a person to have is humility. And let's face it, getting your ass kicked is a very humbling thing in most cases. I suppose in some cases where you're, let's say you're way smaller, way weaker, or in a really disadvantageous position and you get your ass kicked, that's sort of like doesn't really count as humbling in a way. In many cases, it doesn't count as humbling because you just didn't stand a chance

and that's the way it is. As a matter of fact, if you're small and you get your ass kicked by some big person, they can look like it can be worse for them. In many cases. This was nice about Jeff Glover going in tournaments, and he'd be all skinny and small and going against just monster dudes and just tapping them out.

Jeff Glovey. Yeah, and you can watch videos of that too, by the way, which is interesting. Yeah, I was never the best person to introduce people to Jiu-Jitsu because I'm too big. And they go, you're just big. I remember, actually, I was rolling with a friend of my name, T.J.

this was in 19 maybe 1998 something like that something like a blue belt but he's 145 pounds right and I had mats at my house this is in Virginia Beach I was like yeah come over you want to and I would try and get everyone to train with me I'd like the mailman would come I'd be like you do jih Tijuana I was just like that with everybody and so you know I said hey you should really do jih Tijitsu you know come on so we go upstairs I got the mats upstairs and we roll and I'm a blue belt so it's not like right now I would be super chill right you know I'd be like oh yeah see this is what's gonna happen but then I kind of had a little bit more aggression you know so I was just tapping him out tapping him out and he immediately he's not

a wrestler or anything he immediately started talking about weight classes like I mean obviously with your weight you know what you're talking about dude I just got you in a chimera by the way I saw a comment on YouTube about my pronunciation of Kimura. What's the proper? Kimura. Kimura. Kimura. So what am I messing up?

The you. You say Kimura. Kimura. Kimura. Kimura. Yeah. Kimura. Man, don't you like my way a little bit better?

Well, better. No, I like that it's uniquely your way. So I say do what you did. I must have gotten it from Dean. Or maybe I got it from Fabio. I almost guarantee you did not get it from DeN. Fabio. Negative. No.

So Camura. That sounds like harder to say. You, I don't think so. I think you added another linguistic element when you add the y, you, you, yeah. Camura. Camura. Yeah. Only you and Leif Babin say it and he got it for me.

Oh, he definitely got it for me. Oh, yeah. I'm spreading bad word across the country. Wrong way. So humbling. It's very humbling. I'm not the best person to introduce it, but if you watch Jeff Glover, he's tapping out monster guys. That's got to be very humbling. So I think it's a good thing in many cases to get your ass kicked. I have, you know, I say this about kids, little kids a lot. I say jih Tzu is really good for little kids, big kids, all kids. But what I say is it is

likely to prevent them from becoming bullied, and it's likely to prevent them from being a bully. It stops both. Because when you get your ass kicked, you learn what that feels like. And most people, most people that aren't sociopaths, go, hey, I don't want to make someone feel like that.

Right? Because you realize how humiliating it is. Because we've talked about this before, too. What's the line between humbling and humiliating? Yeah. Right. I mean, we talked about that because Dean one day. I mean, many days, Dean's like, humiliated me on the mats of justice.

Beyond humbled. Humble is like, oh, man, you know, echo is all over me today, do? Yeah, that's, man, you know, got to train more. Humiliating's like, maybe I don't want to do this sport anymore. I hope nobody saw that. I'm going to get a gun. I'm going to shoot Dean Lister in the knee. Let's see what you got now, homie.

So let's say this. Let's try, let me, if I tried to answer. answer this for real I would say everyone should train everyone should train jiu jitsu everyone should occasionally put on the big gloves and do some kind of m-ma type sparring because otherwise you think your guard is good to go and then someone starts dropping bombs on you yeah and that's not cool yeah and you realize oh jihitsu's not quite what I thought it was because this guy's punched me in the face yeah yeah interestingly when I first started that That was the whole, well, when I started, I did it because I wanted to be an MMA fighter.

So when we started training, all no ghee, it was like, MMA training was essentially, actual MMA train. It was like half of the training. And then it wasn't until I found out there was like tournaments, like Jiu-Jitsu tournaments. Like, oh, shoot, we can do just Jiu-Jitsu or whatever. And then, you know, my attention. But it was, my point is it was so- Were you thinking that you're going to become an MMA fighter? Yeah, that's the whole reason I joined.

Oh, yeah. And I trained for like, probably like three years. I was training all jiu-jitsu and MMA. They was like comprehensive. That's before you met me. That was before we came here, yes. Before we came to. We trained at Citi,

we trained at boxing club what? How many times? Like a small amount of times. I remember training with you at the boxing club one time, my first time. But very quickly thereafter we moved here to Victory MMA. Yeah, that was like 2008, right? Yeah.

2007, we were training. here but it wasn't open yet but we had mats up and we were all training yeah yeah so I did probably I was training with like googarty um remember Tom Watson Kong I would like train with him and he I think I think he fought in the USC right and then um yeah like a lot of guys Joel Tudor was there it was yeah it was like there was a lot Akbar bar it was like I trade with him a lot yeah so he was like sock bar but the point is early like early like Like when we started, there was a lot of that that went on punches. Like you know how to train with punches.

I think Scott Catlin was in there too a lot of time. So, yeah, we knew. What was his fighting name? Scott Catlin or Caitlin. He had some good, I forget what his fighting name was. He had some nickname. Oh, I don't know. I forget.

I forget. It was one that I said, that's pretty good. Remember that fighter whose nickname was, think of this name? It was really long. It was like five different words. Wait, his nickname was? The nickname was. The longest nickname, I don't know.

Black guy. He was on Art. No, he was UFC. He didn't have that many fights either. His nickname didn't really hold up as well as you wanted it to. Right. Got it. No.

Damn. I remember. But as far as training with punches and knowing, you know, where, hey, your guard is not going to be as effective if you're going a little bit more full speed or more full contact or whatever, that came through early development. So I think it's like more, like I take it for granted, I think, a lot of times. That nowadays where jiu-jitsu is so much more expanded. And so some people can go through jiu-jitsu all the way up to, you know,

a high level without that training at all. I could see how they might be vulnerable just from a habitual standpoint, you know. You have the base ingrained concepts. in your brain. Yeah. So when we in, oh, Greg McIntyre punched me

the hardest I've ever been punched in the face too, by the way. What do you mean? Like what, what's going on the heart? What position? I was in,

he was in my guard. What, okay, go ahead. And I separated and I went for double. You know, you separate guard and then flip over and go for a double.

And right when I flipped over, he was like already based. And I remember he had white gloves on and, bro, his, like, he hit me right between, like, you know, right between the eyes, like a cartoon. Like, boom. Was that the end of your MMA career? I was not to ask you, what was the end of the MMA career, but then I was like, oh, he's about to tell me what the end of his memory.

No, no, no, no. It just sort of faded out. Like, I jump in, like, you know how you're actually training for maybe you'll get a pancreation match or something like this, and then you don't, and then you're kind of training just here and there. And then you, I remember the last MMA thing that I remember was less training with Dean to help him for a fight. That's it. So it's like it becomes that, you know? I just remember that guy's nickname Shownuff the master.

You remember that? That was the dude's nickname. It was like Fred Shownuff the Master Smith or something. I thought that was a pretty epic nickname. Well, Shownuff the Master, that's from Bruce Leroy, right? What's that one? The last, or the last dragon?

Yeah. Yeah. It's from phone. Showing up. Yeah, the amount of rounds I have fighting MMA is a lot. Right. It's like habitual, you know.

Because all the sparring that we used to do. Back in the day. So back to this question, trying to bring it back. I think everyone should do it. I guess my answer is true. Now, does this mean you should go out in the street and pick fights with big people that are going to kill you or beat you, you know, unconscious? No. That's why we love jiu-jitsu.

That's why we love MMA. Because these things are humbling. You get these things without having to get in a legal situation without having to get in a medical situation, without having getting a medical scenario, right? So instead of this question being, should everyone know what it feels like to be a physical altercation to have their ass kicked, it just should be, should everyone train Jiu-Jitsu MMA?

And the answer is yes. And I think we can settle it down like that. I think I just kind of solved our problem. Yeah, in a way, and again, that's why I was like, it depends. And then, so the word should, right? Should. It's like, if you don't, you're kind of like not doing the right thing almost kind of thing.

You should do this versus shouldn't do this. maybe yeah if you change that more accurately put it this way is there immense value in getting your ass kicked the answer is yes i would say yes pretty much across the board as long as you're not you know whatever right right right but there's a difference between ah you know i went on the mat with dean he tapped i don't train jihitsu i show up this is the reality i show up to train jihitsu or jeff higg shows up at my house i have a little tiny bit of training and he's been training for the last three years He just got his purple belt and he comes up and kicks my ass with Jiu Jitsu. He didn't hurt me.

He didn't send me the hospital, but he kicked my ass for sure. Yeah. I guess there's a line, right? Yeah. What are we talking about here? Yeah. Because kicking someone's ass could be this person's in the hospital. And it could be, oh, I tap this guy out nine times.

Yeah. Which is what Higgs did to me or nine or 17 or something. Yeah. Jiu-Jitsu is a little bit different in training. even in a competition Jiu Jitza because it's like there's rules and there's a clear, like it's 100% up to you

when the fight can just stop. You can just tap out and be like, hey. And it's not really a real fight. Like you guys are actually, I want to hurt this guy. I want to try to beat this guy up, you know, where if you get enough fight somewhere outside of training or whatever with somebody,

especially somebody you don't know or even if you know him whatever, yeah, he's like kind of trying to hurt you, you know? And that's a different experience. It's a whole different thing, really, because jiu jitza kind of bleeds more into the let you just lost in the competition. Even in training, the element of competition that's in training, you just lost that competition, you know? It's there, I don't think that's what he's talking about at all.

I think there are two different things as far as experience goes. Like, if you experience getting your ass kicked in jih Trey training in tournaments or whatever, that's not the same. Not the same at all as far as what I think, anyway of what I think is that. Yeah. Have you ever gotten your ass kicked in a street fight? Yes, sir. Well, here's the thing. Depends on what you mean my ass kicked, where I lost, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I've been in a street fight as a kid, teen. I didn't lose that one, but the one where I lost the fight, like, dang, I got beat up. And I'm the one who kind of ended. I didn't start the fight, but I initiated the physical part of it. I got beat. But I didn't get, like, hurt or nothing. And he got knocked out. Did that impact your personality, your mentality a little bit?

I got my ass kicked. I think it was in fifth grade. And, you know, fifth grade, how old are you in fifth grade? 10? 10-ish? Really? Yeah. Maybe it was sixth grade.

Maybe it was sixth grade, but I think it was fifth grade. Anyways, I was talking shit. You know what I mean? And I was a shit talker, as you know. Yes, sir, I do also know, and I was explaining to you earlier, I can't do that anymore. Like, I don't, it's not the right thing to do. Right? It's not the right thing to do to ridicule people and make fun of them.

In the SEAL teams, it's the only thing to do. That's what it is all day. long every day but even in the SEAL teams once I became an officer once I was you know when you're a platoon commander you can't just verbally hammer someone because you have too much power and authority because you're the platoon commander as a task you can't you can't do that stuff anymore you can't I'm not saying I never did because sometimes I would be out of line sure but if you compare to that when I was a E5 mafia guy in a SEAL platoon bro I mean the whole it was it's just ruthless savagery all the time 24 seven and especially because then you

When you're an E5 in a seal platoon, you're kind of the, you're the opposite power. It's the, it's a power inversion. So all power is kind of gained through that situation. The only power you have is what you can muster up with your mouth, right? Talking shit to people. So I was a little kid and I was talking shit. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen,

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