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Episode Date: October 30, 2023

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This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 108, sitting here with EC, Echo Charlie. That me, Jocco Willink. Have you heard Embrace the Process? Yeah. You heard that, right? Kind of a, and there's a bunch of variations of it, right? A bunch of variations that you've got some goal,

you've got some objective that you're trying to achieve. And I think the underlying thing is, look, you've got to enjoy, like embrace trying to get there and there's also an underlying maybe theme that you might not actually get there right or that it might take a lot longer than you think right so the idea of embracing the process it's like you're going to win regardless which is kind of a good thing I like it so I get it I'm down I understand I understand the intent behind telling somebody let's see you meet some young wrestler and he's like I want to be a state championship I want to I want to be the state champ and you could say okay that's

awesome you probably would be smart to tell him you hey embrace the process too man you got to you got to embrace the grind it's gonna be hard work and you're kind of saying look you may may not be champ I mean if you're in California and you're gonna be state champ you got that's a rare person rare human to be a state champion in a state. So you might not become champion. But if you embrace the process, the training, the wrestling, the travel, the competition,

it still is a win, right? I mean, I think so. Or you have someone that wants to be, you know, everybody wants to be successful in their business world. So they're trying to build their business. And you could tell someone, hey, great, that'll be awesome when you make it, right?

But that's, it might be smarter to tell them, Hey, that's awesome that you have those lofty goals. Embrace the process. So I get it. But I also think it's important to remember something. And that is to evaluate your process. Is it working? Is it working?

Because if you're embracing the process, but you're not winning and you're not progressing, then that's a problem because you can spin your wheels right you can spin your wheels you can rev the engine put the foot you can put your

the pedal to the floor and you're expending fuel and making a lot of noise but guess what you're not going anywhere so I just wanted to bring up the fact that it's great to embrace the process and I hopefully hopefully whatever you are doing out there

you enjoy doing it I know I enjoy what I do I've always enjoyed what I've done. I've always had a good time doing it. I've always embraced the process. But there's definitely times in my life where I was like, hey, I need to adjust my process because it's not working. So just be careful of that.

At work, at home, in sports, whatever is that you're doing. Music, whatever is you're doing, as you go down the path, as you follow the process, make sure that you're actually making headway. Because if you aren't making actual progress and headway, then you need to adjust the process so that you get better results. That's it. That's my PSA for the day. Yeah, yeah, fully.

Yeah, like, what do you go? And you said this, be sure you're building towards something. We're like, yeah, you're not just freaking lane bricks for the sake of lane bricks. be sure that those bricks are adding up to be some kind of wall. Yeah, and there's some kind of structure to it. And you have a plan and you know what is you're trying to build. Just don't be going to pick up bricks and putting them in a pile. Yeah.

Yeah. That's not what you're looking to do. And you know what? You can enjoy the process of moving bricks. Yeah. Hell yeah. I started. I got hired out of a Wendy's to go work construction.

Hell yeah. And the guy's like, what are you doing here? I'm like getting money. He said, do you want to do something else? I'm like, yes. Yeah. He didn't tell me what it was. Yeah.

I told him yes. And so cool. The next day he goes, come here, come to this job site tomorrow. So I show up there. The very first thing he said to me was like, okay, you see a big dump truck had come and dumped off a bunch of concrete blocks. They were sitting, you know, just on the edge of the job site. They needed to be into this where the foundation had been dug, but now block was going to be put in. And he's like, yep, take all those blocks, move over there.

We're going to, like, get some other equipment or whatever. I ran I ran I ran and started moving blocks like running I enjoyed the process I enjoyed the process

I enjoyed the process like it was good work like you're moving you're balancing because it was a little I had a little you know like a two by eight across a little span

of so I had a little balancing act but I'm running he came back they were back in like 15 or 20 minutes I already had it done I think he thought it was gonna take an hour and a half

yeah Maybe he probably no, maybe he thought it was going to take an hour. I was running. My point is I enjoyed that process, but I knew the objective was to get the blocks into this position so they could be. But what if I'd just been running around putting the blocks in random places? It wouldn't make much sense. No.

Doesn't help. So embrace the process. Yes, everybody. But make sure that your process is giving you progress as well. That's what I go. Well, what do they say? The man who loves the destination won't go as far as the man who loves walking. That's like a thing.

Same thing. Yeah, yeah. That's, you know. Same thing. And I get it. I get it. Enjoy, and everybody, that's it. Enjoy the journey.

The journey is what? The journey is half of getting there? What's that one? I don't know. Half the fun is just getting there. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. It's the journey, not the destination.

Yes, I heard that one. But I'm saying with all these, there has to be a balance. You have to, yes, know what your destination is. You have to want to get there. But then you should also enjoy the process. And if you're looking at your process and it's not getting you towards the destination that you want to go, just check it.

Make some adjustments. That's it. Yeah, even if you have a destination, right? Because look, I can play video games and really enjoy that process, you know, of saving the princess. Super Mario brother. But, you know, if video games don't have,

I don't have a goal in mind, like I said, just spinning your wheels on that one. It's true. At the muster, this last one. You know how the PT, yeah, I'm going to say it. So, you know, the PT is up on the top floor of the parking structure. Yep. And you got to walk from the hotel exit to the parking structure, no elevator, stairs, right?

And what is that, five floors? Yep. Parking structure floors is a little bit higher than a normal house or something. So I walk up there and I remember thinking, hey, wait, on that last, flight, I was a little bit more tired than I expected to be, just from walking up. I even asked Megan at the time, I was like, hey, you're an athlete. Like, were those stairs like, I mean, I'm not gas, but I'm just saying, you know, when I look at stairs and I'm going to walk up on, I have a subconscious expectation of how tired I'm

going to be at the end. You know, it's just the way it works. And I went up there and I was more tired than I expected. Like, I was surprisingly tired. It wasn't super tired, but surprisingly tired. And she was like, no, no, no, that's about right. Like, you know, they do creep up on you, especially at the end there. So I'm like, okay, cool.

Next day, I'm like, okay, I remember that. So now when I walk up the stairs, I'm going to be like, hey, this is like a little micro workout. So I did that and walking up the stairs, nothing crept up on me as far as like stress goes, you know, on my legs. What I'm saying? So because I don't mind working out. Like working out is like kind of cool.

Even the process of working out is cool, you know, you know, kind of a thing. But if you're just trying to get somewhere. And now you're feeling the pain of working out all of a sudden kind of sucks. You're not embracing the process in that way. See what I'm saying? Okay. But you embrace the process. Hey, there's like a little micro workout.

It makes it way better. It does make it better. Yeah. Caring those blocks, a little micro workout. It's true. See, and you and I think you've had this your whole life. This is my conclusion, my current working conclusion. You just want to be hardcore.

Like you, to you, if it's, if the way you do something is like the more hardcore, that's better to you in your mind. Not so everyone else can see. that just for your own hardcoreness. Like if you can suffer and just freaking battle through it, that's hard. And that's any within the realm of being hardcore in your opinion for yourself personally, you like that. That's what I've concluded.

And I think as a kid, these bricks construction, it was like freaking, this is kind of hardcore in the sun and freaking doing it. I was just super happy to not be at Wendy's on a grill, bro. I'm sure that helped. I was like, whatever you need me to do, bro. Yeah, there's not much. There's not much wiggle room to be hardcore cooking at Wendy's as much. You know, you've got to get pretty creative in that environment.

All right. Let's get some questions. Some questions. First question. Okay, I've been working on my anger for years. I'm 31. My frustrations mainly come during disagreements with people. I don't scream or rage anymore, but I do show other signs of deep frustration and can get

off track from calm logic if the person I'm talking to pushes into my frustration. Sometimes I see that I can bounce back I still want to stand my ground on the disagreement But also I'm ashamed of my anger Shown through like squinted eyes And maybe flared nostrils That's a sign of anger I'm conflicted because I don't I didn't do anything evil

And I don't think I need to apologize for it But I do show weakness And don't know how to recover socially from it I need to apply deep breath I need to apply the deep breath more often but I'm looking for advice on a viewpoint on when you should feel ashamed and when you when you just need to adjust. After I recover from being angry even a little, I just feel ashamed. Maybe you don't feel that ashamed because if you did, you'd stop doing it.

You pointed out, I think that that anger is a weakness. Losing your temper is definitely a weakness. It's embarrassing. There's no reason for you to do it. do that. So, so what do we do here? We have to detach, right? First of all, you got to recognize what the signs are that you're about to lose your mind. So in your case, it sounds like squinting your eyes and flaring your nostrils. You got to pay attention and actually catch that as it's happening because once it's happening, you've already lost your temper. The freaking trains left the station

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