Joe and Jada - 2 Chainz talks NEW BOOK, Atlanta's hip hop legacy & WILD Jay-Z story

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss chop it up with Atlanta legend 2 Chainz, who pulls up to the show fresh off his book tour for The Voice in My Head is God. 2 Chainz breaks down the philosophy behind the title and how trusting his inner voice has been the throughline of his entire career. The three legends talk his collaborations with Kanye West, the phone call with Jay-Z early in his career that didn’t go as planned, and Atlanta's legacy in the hip hop game. 2 Chainz’s mother pulls up and the conversation shifts to family, bloodlines, and what happens when one generation decides to break the mold. Plus, G-Dep makes a surprise appearance, Joe credits his influence on ‘Lean Back,’ and they celebrate his freedom after a 13-year prison term. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet 03:45 Atlanta's Legacy / Unity, Collaboration and Adapting to Survive 09:00 New book The Voice in My Head is God 15:00 NBA All-Star stories 19:00 Jada calls CAP on Joe's "no light bulbs" story 30:30 2 Chainz's mother joins 41:30 Jay-Z phone call story 45:30 Collaborating with Kanye 49:00 G-Dep makes a surprise appearanceSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Something told me. Something told me to come to the Joe and say, when I come to New York, I got to figure out a way to come. Rock with Joe and Jada Cadiz, my guys. Yo, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack the Dawn. This is your boy Jada.

You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. And you see, my man got the links on. We crush you. Damn you, love her. I got my love her.

My brother, Nadine, in the... I'm gonna bring Nadine in like two minutes... Listen, today's guests. Today's guests. When you think of today's guests, you got to think of the South. You know what I mean? You got to think of Atlanta. You've got to think of bars.

You got to think of swag. You got to think of basketball. You got to think of very family-oriented. Even got Mama Love in the building. You got to think of... great businessmen. Gotta think of somebody that does stuff for the community. Annually, yearly, dearly, dearly.

You got to think of someone who was able to overcome adversity. Came in as a member of group, bought himself out of his contract, came back solo, duct taped itself to a rocky ship, and took over the world. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for my brother.

Two chas. Two chas! What's up, Playa? What's up, my brother. How y'all, man? What's good. I'm happy to be on here. You're from the land of the A.

That's right, man. Man, that shit is so prestigious to me. I tell them every time. Every time I go to Atlanta, I feel like home. You know. Restaurants. And you were a legend, huh? I thought you was going to say the restaurants.

I love everything about the A. I love everything about the A. And the fact that... You didn't buy a house dead. Back in the day when I was supposed to buy a house. I was like Miami and Atlanta. I'm saying? I owed to Miami.

23. I ain't have it. Like, maybe I didn't... I wasn't... Listen, I'm a ghetto dude with some money. You know what I'm saying? I'll take baby steps. You know what I'm saying?

Sometimes I was pulling the trigger. Sometimes I wasn't. But I love Atlanta. You're a major... fixture in Atlanta. What's it like coming from Atlanta from day one? How many years you've been rapping now and in your career, you've seen so many people blow up from Atlanta or before you?

What's that like being from that? Just being from the city, I was able to see it evolve, go through many errors, go through heavy bass-driven, heavy maybe dance-driven to the tree. crap to, you know, all the different errors, but they all still very much remain in today's music, parts of it, like DNA from it. And just having Atlanta as your landscape coming up, I think builds resilience and also gives you discipline and you got to be able to adapt. You know what I'm saying?

Coming from Atlanta, like it's just in the given day these situations are changed. So I think adapt, build it. What am I trying to say? Being able to adapt is like an advantage coming from Atlanta. You know, once you lead a city, you're able to take those the skillsets that you learned in the city and just apply to every room. I know I have.

So every room I'm in, it's still like Atlanta's there with me. That's the energy that I'm always holding on to. We're not from there. So we always, I've always seen unity in Atlanta. That's how I've always felt. I always felt like these guys stick together. They push each other. They work with each other.

They support each other. Tell me about the unity coming up in Atlanta. You know, what's that about? Collaborating is always like a good idea in the city, not just in music, but in business too. I think we're all open to. to working together in some sort of way. And that removes a lot of the pocket watching

and the jealousy that you would see in other areas because of the fact that we are open to share LLCs or share a mic booth. So, you know, music is just an extension of the energy that the city has as far as working together and being, you know, being collaborative. How do you feel after duffel bag boys? For those that don't know how long you've been on the grizzly

doing your one, too, it seemed like right after that, the elevator was stuck on the up-out roofly. Yeah, man. Just, man, my commitment and my resilience, man, I'm self-motivated, you know. Like, you can't, you can't buy the motivation. You can't buy ambition, you know what I'm saying?

So through my self-evaluation, man, I get up and I just got that energy like I'm him and I can just reach heights. And early on, I was one of those that was arrogant before I got in the game. I just looked at everybody in the game, look at all my peers and be like, I can get with this person. I can get with this person. As soon as I got in the game, I started to, I became more humble because I saw like the arrogant people, how their, how their...

How it kind of played out over time. Like, the arrogant on the way up, they rub people the wrong way and then on the way down. People don't care much about them because they remember how you made them feel. And so I kind of dimmed my arrogance once I got in the game, but it's still very much internal. You know what I mean?

And when I got in, I just had some. so much to prove to not just everybody else but to myself. You know what I mean? I just I ask people all the time like, you knew you was going to be this? Like, people that said I asked you, like, when did you know you was going to be a rap? Because I felt like I was going to be

something. I always knew I was going to be something, you know what I mean? And I always know I was going to be successful. And that's kind of like what some of my book is indicating like, I got this like inner monologue. I got this divine guidance that like, navigate.

It's like my navigation, it just leads me to success, man. Speaking on the book, The voice in my head is God. Yeah. What a title. The title was amazing. I ain't talking about it. It's captivating.

Could you hear God? Well, that's what I'm trying to tell you. If you ever said something told me, you know, something told me to call my man's up here to get this, Whatever. Something told me to... This guy wasn't good.

Something told me or something... Something told me a million times. That's it. He's dumb. That's something that's it. I did it. I'm the guinea pig for this. I don't listen to this book. When I ain't listened, I don't have different outcomes.

When I've listened, I just been, you know what I'm saying? It's just been like... And it's, the thing is, it's not like a loud. voice, but it's clear. It's telling you, man, Joe, stay your ass in the house. It's saying, hey, kids, man,

don't even answer the phone, or make sure you answer the phone. You know what I'm saying? You miss that call. Your homie text you from prison. Man, this is such a stuff, man, something told me, I don't answer calls, I don't know, man, something told me I should answer the call, you know, I don't miss my, whatever that is.

So I'm in the book, just using examples of how that that is God. The title, the voice is my conscience, intuition, think intuition, gut feeling. You know what I'm saying? Good feeling. Some told me to get out of the air.

Something is time to go. I'm one of those people that just lead places. I'm really one of those people. I'm rolling for guns time to go. Just something just tell me it's just time to go. Like, it don't mean somebody's been to shoot up the place. It just be like, but it just mean like. Give a fuck.

Yeah. So when I'm putting something out to the world, this is like something from my community to try to tell a player, like, it's okay to like hush down the noise and listen to that voice and actually believe it. The voice is like, it warns you before it. I mean, it comes before trauma, ego, fear, any of that stuff, right? But you can't see what it's trying to. So you got to kind of have faith on like whatever it's trying to tell you, right? Because it's like, hey, I'm telling you. keep straight.

But you don't know why it's telling you to keep straight instead of turning left, you know what I mean? And I'm really, I tell you, I have this voice and this, I almost feel like, like, man, people ask me,

but are you always coming up with something? How are you coming up with this stuff? Like, now I'm just going to tell people in the book, like this is really how I've been operating so long. It's almost like a secret. It's not a secret, but this is how I've been moving, whether you believe it,

operating those terms or not. But I have this, this compass, this internal comfort that helps me make decisions daily from business decisions to what I'm aware, everything, bro.

You know when it happens to me, well, for years, I didn't know God was sending me messages and stuff like that. And then once I noticed that whenever I can't sleep at, because I can sleep anywhere, shit will be you.

I'm sleeping. When I can't sleep, now I know. I've been through it enough that now I be like, all right, God, what you're trying to tell me? Yeah. So I start thinking that everything, and then that's how I come up with like a plan,

whether it's business, life, family, whatever. When I can't sleep, now I'll be like, all right, what you're trying to say? Because, you know, I know I can't sleep because you try and let me know something. And then you're going over with yourself internally. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's just the message.

I'm trying to put out. You have to have experience. You have to go through life to know, like, this means something. You have to not sleep for so many nights before you realize, like, this is God trying to speak to me. So that's what this book, you have to, I couldn't have to wrote this book when I was 20, 30. You have to live long enough. Yeah, yeah. Let me ask one more question.

People so selfish, right? what made you share this in your book with the world and let people know what you know what's your secret to success your drive to success what made you share it with the world

because a lot of people I'll tell you my story about it kids heard it a hundred times but I'll tell you my flip side of the story but what made you say you all I'm going to share this with the world and think legacy

leaving something behind, some type of literature that's not just an autobiography or anything like that, like something real that has substance, something that shows growth and evolution, you know, something that speaks to an audience outside of hip hop as well. When you speak about intuition, they're saying just about no bars

or about what after party to show up to. This is bigger than that. So when I talk about intuition, I talk about it like it's like a sixth sense. That's a real superpower for me. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going back and forth with something that's inside of me. They're telling you this whole time.

Boy, God is in you. God is the blessing from within. You don't got all these hints. That's sort of a manornear. What I'm hearing here is, it's the God and me. And I brought it to God. It's the God and me. I said, I keep hearing.

Mary, Mary, yeah. It's crazy. I was reading some excerpt from the book And I seen you saying 2012 All-Star, you already felt like him before you got in the gym. But once you got in there, you got, the love was in abundance. And you went to your seat,

which was a little couple 20 rolls up. And like, screw that, man, I'm going to work my way down on course side. And it's got more love for Mary and people like that. So I understand that intuition, that confidence. When you said one day I'm going to get there Or you just went down You had tickets

He was up with it But you wasn't I sat next to you You know Before three or four Me and you I don't squeeze between I done all type of stuff

Before this is really what happened You're your son mama It's a funny dude I went I went to All-Star It's a funny dude I did something I hung out with him at All-Star

There's things he be saying in there Listen I went to the All-Star one year And one of my homies disrespecting a young lady that worked for the I saw you need. Yes, you know what I mean? So, you know, that trinkled down to me. So what connection I used to have was almost like

I had to start figuring things out of my own, but I really love the game. I really love basketball so much that I go and just figure it out. So this is one time I went. I'm up. And you know, you just know you only even post a bill of hell. Like, it ain't like I'm being ambitious. I'm either done sold some weed to some of these rappers.

I actually done verses and songs. Boy, I don't just got up. There's no security to be. Let me get you. Let me get you. I tell everybody, if you act like he's supposed to be there. Them folks, yeah, man. You get to looking at them, like, they're trying you,

they disrespecting you asking for something, you know. And the credential or lambing. Boy, I get the walking, and do what you do. You don't be looking them all in the eyes and you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Because, see, this is my other take. Anytime you're riding and you see Twill, you look twir right in the eyes. You're finished.

You've got to get whipped over, man. Well, if you don't look at them, they'll pull you over too. No, no, no, no. If you don't, when you're not a criminal, you don't care about the police, bro. You don't care. Only people that's criminal, we're the only one do all kind of old little shit that they're trying. I'm telling you, right up on. I'm telling you, man.

Fuckers look in the mirror and all that. That's why you're on poster. Listen, man, you pose are not even stun them, man. So that's how I am with knowing I'm supposed to be somewhere. I ain't even. I'm just, so I'm just turning business. But, yeah, those. You got Nadine in the building the Daniel's level.

Come in, Nadine, man. The man, the man of him is the store? No, no, no, we got it. But, I mean, I see the face. He got to go to that store. He got a pluror. He got a plug. He got the plug.

The infamous Daniels level. But your ass coming out here, if I said, I'm going to need something. He wouldn't live. Go over there. Oh, that's for a long time For the week They all need us Crossing all

Crossed all Crossed all My path Yeah I made that for in 2020 Two See as a God Hey man

I'm gonna need that In a Tony size You did what I'm saying Get him a life long I already worked with him before But uh I'm coming on And you keep talking about

Before past 10 This ain't about ED You're talking about Hey listen With his height She's going to be player She's going to be flared

You know I don't have to do much But with that height He over here Yeah I'm sitting with him all start And he's talking shit About the basketball plays

Yeah you asked Some of Mvassati shit Only Kanye wore some shit You was like You see this Versace shit Joe The motherfucker 7 foot They wish they had this

Versace shit Yeah No no No no I'm gonna tell you Let me let me come clean I feel like I'm the reason where brands start making shit for hoop.

Higgas used to see me and be like, hey, shard what size? Shoo you will? Because I'm having on something just, you know what I'm saying? I'm having on. And they see me. I'm a real true six-five.

I'm an NBA point guard size. You get what I'm saying. So when they see me having it on, I believe it is my belief that early on when they started caring about dressing, they didn't used to care about dressing, bruh. Basketball player didn't used to care about dressing.

But, like, you see somebody tall, like, can put it on, you know what I mean? Then I think it's... You know, you were super tall guys. You all talk the same shit, right? Like, because Drey from Cool and Dre, he'd be like, you know, six, seven, I jump out to Rose Royce. They think, you know, they automatically, you know, I'm a ball player. I'm like, yo, Jay.

They always got that same monologue, man. Let me tell you something, yo, two chains, you bug out. But I thought I was the only one that thought shit like that in my head. Like, when I wear that shit, you. I'd be like, yo, I got them. But you were speaking it out loud. The voice in you was out loud. Well, sometimes that's when they get the same, man.

You must be. You got imaginary friends. You're talking to yourself. So that's when they get like that. But for the most part, most part, Joe, you care too much, not to talk to yourself. You know, you really give a fuck about your appearance. So I know in your head, you like, oh, yeah.

I'm going to go pink on me. Yeah, I'm the witness on that. I'm going, I'm still laying out of six out two weeks before. Absolutely right for him. Every little detail. Yeah. Even the coat that he's wearing, he chose the zipper. We had to find this zipper and this slider.

He was so specific about how it's. Time out, what's the first thing I say when I sent the coat? What's the first thing I said about the coat? Zipper. I know you talked about the zip. Yeah. That's his, yeah. He's funding the zippers.

Can't buy a super expensive coat and have a cheap zipper on. your shit got to be quality. No, no, no, no. You know what? You can't wear fucking links in the simple hall. We had a whole team running trying to find this. I ain't got to be like this and all that shit. You know, people try to cut corners, man,

and do like cheap shit. I'm not, listen, I ain't into the cheap shit, man. You ain't in the current corners. You know, I ain't has shit. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to curse too much in front of your mom's is off the camera, but I didn't have nothing. So I tell these guys.

all the time. I had nothing. I was a bum. I had nothing. What's wrong, kids? You're tired of here. When I was a little kid running around in elementary,

the teachers was looking at me like, yo, this nigga going to jail. He's dying. Because what's my mom? You heard this one before? No. You heard this one? It's a rerun?

Heavy show. It's a rerun? It's a re-roof. That you never forget when you can't. You never forget. I don't. I don't, I don't, I wake up. You can buy your projects now.

I walk around my house. And I look at the light bulb. Mama, I look at the light bulb and be like, yo, we got these light bulbs. This shit crazy. You believe we got this light bulb? Like, yo, we ain't had nothing. You know, he's trying to gas, man. He didn't have a light bulb?

No, I think I'm going to do Ancestry.com just to really, really bring out the proof of how we ain't have shit for like three. 400 years. I'm gonna bust out the whole generation. By the way, by the way, Jay. Yo, Cousin Tito wasn't shit. Cousin Pablo wasn't shit. Yo, listen, listen, listen. Auntie Miriam.

Listen, listen, listen. Listen, this why I ain't do no book. Cousin, Miriam, I love you. This is why my book, not an autobiography because rap was going, going to go 300 years to let you know how bad it was for him. I ain't want to compete. with the struggle, like how bad it was.

I ain't want to compete with another. You read another, man, you had a bad, you read, you read Brush, yeah. He slept in a, you know, on a light ball. Yeah, he didn't even have lightball. Like, who's going to beat that? Like, I tell you my struggle. And then Joe saying, we got the, we got the light switch.

We got the crib. With no light. But we, we ain't got no light. But all, if we had the light ball, we'd have light. We'll be good. You know, I went to my apartment in the projects, and I'm going to be honest with you rest of, and peace my dad, I cannot believe

that he stood for that shit. I just, and my father's always been a hard worker. He probably was just too scared to buy a house or some shit like that. When he died, left me a couple of dollars. My father's not no bum. But I just couldn't believe

when I went there. You know, how he went for this shit? How he had his kids in here? How he had his fucking wife in here? This was some bullshit. Even if I was fucked up and I was a baker, a mechanic. I'd have got my ass out of that shit. If you don't know nothing.

Like as a grown man, as a kid, I ain't know no better. I'm looking at the shit. You don't know. You only at what you saying? When I got grown and saw that shit, I said, no. Man, you don't want it to your pops to have your frame of mind now back then with the money that was, you got to think about it. Yeah, it's like that, bro. He was the way that he can do.

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My mama told me all the time, like, she don't know where I got this thinking from, like, why I won a big house. She said, like, when she was young, like, people around her, like having won a trailer was, like, Like, I think your own trailer was a big thing. So for some- Mama, I'm not going to lie. I need you here, Mama.

Come here for a sec. Please. Please. Or sit right there. Give her this. Mama, they won't shy here. Closer to me, she'll be better, right? Here's the only second mother we got.

Alan Arison's mother who's the first one to change marks the second one. Come on, baby. Come on here, baby. Mama got that shit on, too. Let me tell you. Mama got the full link. Hey, hey, my daughter, Nadie. You see how come in with the full link?

meat, motherfucker now. You're going to need a, we're going to need a different color, the same length for her. Yes. Your son is, sir. No problem. You heard him now. You don't lie to women. You like a good stand-up.

No, he don't. He's an honorable man. Mama, mommy, he's the biggest in the game. Mama, you go back how many years of your family? How many years can you go back in your family? Like, can you think as far as your grandfell? Can you go to your great-grandfather? Granddad.

I can go to my grandmother and grandfather. So you go back to your grandfather? Yeah, my grandparent. Anybody thought like your son? No. No, he was different then. He's smart. He's caring.

He's compassionate. And he's been the only child. And I really didn't want any children, to be honest. And then I thought, well, I wouldn't see what my offspring would be like. So I did conceive and had him and didn't want anymore. And he's kind of been self-sufficient. Even at birth, you know, he was no problems. He was the first kid to go to the all-white private school in McGrane

at the age of four on account of his birthday came in September. And back then we went to school in August, but your birthday came after registration. So it would kind of leave you behind if we had left you there. So we had to move you to the private school so you could stay ahead. And he's been like as long as he had the good old boy guitar and the gangs, Pac-Man gangs that he had. his tricycle that he didn't want to give up

for a bicycle. He didn't want that. And he had a father. His father was very nurturing and trainable. He, you know, taught him a lot at the early age, like trying to have him drive at, how are you driving over the projects, driving the car?

And he's just been, he's smart. I love him. Okay, Mom, we did. You did. You did. You did. A lot, right? Because I like, you know, when I look at guys like

Two Chains and Kiss and Lee and stuff like that, yeah, we might have had great families, great upbringings or whatever the case, but there's something in the mentality of entrepreneurs, you know, go-getters, won't stop at nothing, you know. And we're talking about this family lineage, and you was right there. So I said, yo,

let me ask it if, because, you know, they think I'm bugging out when I'd be like, yo, I could think back into my family

as far as I could go. Wasn't nobody really thinking like me, you know? So it was like, I'm trying to figure this out, like the DNA of an artist or something,

right? Or, or, it's evolution, man. It's evolution and it's inevitable for hopefully your bloodline

to grow, into something, you know what I mean? And it takes your ancestors to build you up to that. But I think eventually you give birth to something that breaks whatever curse that came before that. You know what I'm saying? That becomes the first entrepreneur, well, I'm not the first entrepreneur, but the first millionaire or whatever that is, you know? I think that's in everybody family, man. Everybody, it was only a small amount of people that never struggled. Like, I just, I just know we all, were a part of the struggle. Like, I just know

we all were, you know what I mean? But we're doing a great job of not letting not letting it happen again. Like, moving forward, I know we all have kids that we just pour so much into,

you know what I mean? Like, for a fact, everybody on here, you know what I'm saying? We just, everybody know we care about our kids, brother. It's just like, so. Mama, what are you most? proud of your son. The family man that he is.

Good, awesome. Congratulations to your daughter, too. She just got accepted right, too. Yeah, my daughter's headed to college. Yep. She on a senior trip right now, man. And I'm just need you to come home because she went, they went to Mexico. And I did not want her to go to Mexico. I didn't want her to go to Mexico. But

you know, sometimes the media will be because she having fun she ain't thinking about what's going on over you know what I mean but I'm just like I'm just being that parent it's like man all right you straight everything

cool but they're having a good time and then I got I have a middle I have three kids my middle child is 13 she about to be in high school

and then like a lot of people know my son Halo because we have a podcast together and he's 10 years old and that's one that's it man this is like my little

my little Brady bunch for real. The little tribe. I'm the same way with my daughter. You know what I'm saying? Product. I ain't plug in. She got a podcast called as if

y'all want to check her out on YouTube. But I'm the same way. And I've been like looking at the house. I've been thinking like the head. I've been like, you know, one day this girl going to get married. Like she's not going to be here forever. You know what I'm saying?

That's crazy when you think about that. You know what I'm saying? Because you're like, yo, she's going to leave one day. Like, that's a great. Like, house won't be the same without. I also want to be the same without the kids. But, you know, the thing we all, you know, you've heard that there's no manual to teach you how to be a parent, but I think we all did the best we could, what we had. And, you know, I know my mom did an amazing job with me, being a single mother coming from that household.

You know what I'm saying? Being joined by the health. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Just staying down. She just knows that I'm an ambitious person and I got that hustle. I got that grit.

And it's just really unexplainable. It's like, for real, like being like, it's like being raised by wolves. Just know how to, I keep saying. It's just got to know how to adapt, man. And I think that's one of my super problems. You doing a book tour for the book? Yeah, I'm doing a book tour.

I've been in New York a couple of days running around. dropping some gems about why now, you know what I'm saying, and what's the book about, you know what I mean? And even this right here, it's just like, it's just another way for me to be creative, man. It almost feels like I'm dropping a project. Right. But, like, even this cover,

it's pastel art done by an artist I found. His name is Dorese Walker. He's an artist. He's like an independent artist, not a part of a gallery, but I'm going to plug him because he'll brother. And he got, so this is a drawing of me. This is not a real picture.

This is a drawing. Yeah, I'm just, everything I do, fire, Joe. Let me tell you what else is fire. I about this book. Let me tell you what else, but. Let me tell you what else is fire. Let me tell you what else is fire. If you're not a reader, I understand.

That's a lot going on. Father of rappers can't read. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. No, I was on this one I'm getting into. I did my audio book. In my words, it's fire. Let me tell you why it's fine. I'm fin to kill you.

The audio book, I got production. It's scoring. So when I'm reading certain parts of the book, you get to hear the scene in the background of the audio. I'm just over at the other station. I had to do Miss, I had to do Gayle King this morning. Y'all, you know, I'm on platform.

You know, I'm Tony, right? I had to do stuff like that. Look, little, little, look. Old white ladies say, I just listened to the audio. She said, it's amazing. She said, it's amazing Joe. She said, she said it had noise and stuff going on.

That's just the mind. I have layers, I think in layers. And so this book, the voice in my head is God, is just me. My interpretation of you, of someone saying, something told me. It's right here. Something told me. Something told me to come to the Joe. When I come to New York, I got to figure out a way to come.

Rock with Joe and Jada, Cadees, my guys. I'd be honest with you. None of the mother, Gail King's and all of them don't matter. It's once you come on this couch that matter. These other guys, playing yourself. Why would you waste of a saliva? Like, these people getting got shit movement like us.

We got the motion. You're like I didn't come here. You're like, I didn't tell you. You're like, I didn't tell you. You're like you said and I ain't here. I told you why I was that. You know, that's why I'm here to talk to you. Irritate the competition.

Oh, you doing that. You're doing that. Y'all, New York, niggas, man. Yeah, we all that bullshit, man. Let me tell you something. We got to do it. I do it all the time to you guys. Joe and Jada show.com.

We got new merch. Fresh off the presses. Go get it. Bang. Out of big. Bomb. Going Jada. The Jadishow.com, you can get these little cold for a t-shirt with a hood of these out.

It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large. Show of Jatishow.com. Go there and get it. I was, I'm going to. I bought that number one, dad. From the book, he turned down hold.

He wouldn't get his man. His DJ, a extra flight. He turned to home meeting that. That's not. That's not. That might have not been the right thing, man. Turn it down a hole?

That's not true, man. It's not real. Everything happens for a reason. No, this is, I hate to quit bringing a man name up because I have other contexts and other things to talk about. But let me just talk about, let me just tell you about this. There's a chapter in here called J.D. and J.Z on three ways. So I got a call one day.

Sort of. I read that. Yeah, so I got a call one day with J.D. on the phone. And I guess him and Hoh, we're about to do a partnership, right? All right. My man that I went right now in the corner right now, his name is Tech. His name used to be DJ Techniques, right? So when I first started piping up in the streets, Tech came to me and said, Hey, man, I think you're a star.

I said, nigger me too. You know what I'm saying? And he said, I feel like I can do whoop-de-whoop-de-woo with my resources and blah, blah, blah. And I said, man, if you can run that, if you can help me get that right there, then I'm locked in with you, and we shook hands. Fast forward, like eight, nine months later, I'm piped up. I'm moving around. Yeah.

Okay. He's really not a DJ anymore because he's taking more of a management role, right? He's not a DJ. And so when I get this call during the phone conversation, I'm just trying to, and I don't know why I can't even articulate this, that I wanted to bring him with me. They's thinking it's a DJ because I'm trying to say his name, but JD really don't even know who this is

because it wasn't like he just tapped into Atlanta like that at the particular time. You know what I'm saying? It's like an Atlanta DJ, you know what I mean? And so, like, bro, what do you? It probably, in retrospect, I probably sound crazy. I probably sound stupid saying, I'm going to bring my DJ to him.

Like, bro, you don't have no show, but I wasn't trying to do that. I was trying to bring my man. Who has said, man, I see something in you. I had already seen some in me, but I just told you how arrogant I was. I used to be frustrated because I'm like, why this ain't happening for me? You know what I mean? And it's really about you getting your internal team. Once you get a team together, things can flourish.

So once I got my team, I started getting on everybody's radar. So when that call happened and whatever happened throughout the call, and I didn't go, I talk about it in the book because people ask me like, what the head was the voice telling you to do then when big homie called. You know what I'm saying? With big homie call. And the thing I tell somebody like,

at that particular time, my moral conference just saying, I ain't want to lead dog and say, I'm going to tell you about the meeting. I can't sit here and tell you I ain't want to fuck with dog or don't want to do business with dogs. I've seen the track record. I'm not ignorant.

I'm highly intellectual, actually. But during that particular time, my compass is saying and so that's another reason why I tell DJs like Caled or a drama or him you need to take the DJ shit off your name. Niggas think that's your first name. So take that off your name.

I got a boy named Rich the Barber. He used to be a barber. He's rich as fuck right now. And we still call him Rich the Barber, but he'd be like, yo, I'm not barbbing them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, so that's the story. It was no, it was not like... It's a miscommunication. A mis... They received it. Yeah, because I was excited. I was definitely excited about the car, and I was excited to, you know,

but this is before, you know, the album, this is before all the stuff. You know, I can't say everything that I've done this right or wrong. This is just like part of it. It's just a part of my life, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so I'm, you know, yeah. Obstacles to go through. And to me, even when you fall, it's just a lesson.

You got to look at the lesson. everything don't go your way. You've got to look at the lesson. These lawyers right now, they're killing me, B. These prices is all the way up. Yesterday price, and I'm just like, yo, Joe, it's temporary. Temporary.

Keep your head up and keep it moving because certain things happen to you where you be like at that moment you could be frustrated, but then you just got to look at it and be like, yo, it's a lesson. Everything's a lesson. So it's like,

it is what it is. I wish you would have went. But, you know... You never know, Don't. How did the Kanye, the Kanye, because to me, that was some of your worst, not worse, your best work with that whole good family.

That's what happened. He'd be unking sometime. No, no, I'm bugged out. I'm fried. But what I mean is, I love how you was going crazy on that Kanye work when y'all put that album out together.

You was going, nuts on them on that joint right there. How did that whole thing come about with you, like, y'all had like a superpower team, push your, all of y'all, what, meet Sean? No, you know, you called me. I'm telling you, I'm so piped up, these folks calling me. You know what I'm saying?

You call you, said, y'all, I want you to be a member. I'm calling you. I want you to, you know what I mean? I went through, like, a little, I wouldn't even call the boot camp. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't want somebody to record something. Now, and I'm fire like that. I call it Benny Hunters.

I call it like cooking in front of a nigga the little shoot, chew, chew, throwing stripping niggas with my house and shit. I do all that. No fire. Yeah, I do the whole heartbeat shit. I do. I love, you know what I mean?

So you want to tell me, you want to tell me like, let's do a song in front of these people. That's right. Yeah, that's one of my things. I'm prepared. I'm bootstrapping ready. So after I did that a few times,

and the stuff I'm doing, halel. It's not like, you know what I'm saying? No bouffa. free or high level, you know what I mean? No cut on it. So after you do that a few times, man, you might get a few phone calls, Joe.

That's all I can tell you, Joe. Hey, your phone might start bunthered, Joe. I sit here with this guy all the time. He top five, dead or alive. What you mean? Nasty man. These guys, they be like, yo, can I get your number kiss?

I need you on a song. No, nobody asks me to be on a song. I'm just saying it be rich as fuck. No, no, that's my language, mom. That's all I'm going to do. Every time they come to him, yo kiss. I want to do a song with you. I'll be like, you're the job.

Did you see the links? What you want me to do? No, no, no, no, no. Joe, Joe, you, Joe, let me tell you something, man. You're, you're, I'm going to tell you this right here, man. You need a wonderful song, man. You make wonderful song, man. You're a great songmaker, bro.

I'm going to come to my top to the bottom like a song for a song. You do that shit. That's like, that's what you, like, you fire, bro. You change. Nobody gives me. Yeah, yeah, no, you're a good song, man. You ain't going to play. You know, Joseph drops every show.

Man. You don't get him in the nick game with him. Every rapping, yo, son. I need you on. No, but he liked that, though. I mean like I'm chopped living. No, no, no, no. Kid who's going to ask him?

Because he rags his mouth. It's out the park. And he'll get. That's a, that's a boozy. You don't want to miss him out. Like, we're going to go. No, no, no, no, man. You don't got boojie.

You don't got boojie. You don't got boojie. Bring one more surprise guest. Got nothing to do with you, but I was coming up and I seen him and I said, your brother come through. My brother, G. Dap. Come here for a second.

G. The deputy. Paulin's on. G. Let's get mom. All right. Thank you, Mom.

Thank you, Mom. Thank you, Mom. Thank you, Mom. You look, Mom. My mom says, my mom be 76 this year. My mom will be 76. She'll be 76 this year. Let me give you another surprise.

You go to Daniel lover that fur on me. You pick out whatever you want. Get some shit. I like that. Make it touch the ground. Mama, make sure the fur drag on the floor. It's on me. Oh, man.

They caff in New York. That's no cat. Who that right out there is, mama? Snowcast. I don't play those games. I don't play those. Yo, G. Dad. Hold on.

I made the... I introduced them. When he came in, I introduced them. Yeah, I changed the death. Hey, I'm telling me. It's real. What's five shit? right there.

Nigel. Dill, brun. Dill shit hard. I told them a little while ago. There's no lean back if it's no G. Def.

Okay. When I was writing that verse, I was thinking G. Dept the whole time. He had to take that from his flow keep going like, I don't know how to explain it to you, but it kept coming like.

Which flow? Oh, he got rain. Which flow? He got different ones. He had, at the time was so on fire. that he was just, he had like a continued, like, I don't give four bucks before some mishabits.

We from the Bronx, New Yorkshire. Kiss clapping. Spocked. You see? That was that G. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm just saying that G.

That was that G. That was that G. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought I was rapping like G. Me too. We were off Bad Boy already. And I was on the C's album. And he got a song with emcease and Buster. He was, I'm like, who the hell? They're like, that's Chief Depp, man.

Wow. That's crazy, man. The Rush, right? What's his name of that song? The, um, something with, no danger. More dangerous. Yeah. Yeah.

Crazy. Depp, you've been home close to, what, a year now? Almost two years. No, that'll make some noise for that. Thank you, man. It's beautiful on this side, man. No doubt that's right. Yeah, man.

I seen you on a freestyle and YouTube. You was killing it up on that joint. You still got it, man. Thank you, brother. He just told me he got a project with him and Black Rob that's coming out. Oh, that's good. You should work. Black Rob with you.

Everybody's going to be. Nobody wants me up and I'd be. You don't want one in the missing tonight. Trichet, I'm not allowed to you. You don't front on Fat Joe. You tell the truth. It's okay. I'm trying to them over here.

Man, Fat Joe, man. Fat Joe, man. He's scared to action. Joe Buzi, man. Bougy, man. Out of this range. You caught side everywhere you go. You're on risk.

You enrich the bar. Yeah. You go. That's it, yo, man. Yeah, let me tell you something. Yo, but Gap, man, we're proud of you being home for two years. Definitely. Of the world, I think.

Because you, you and it, so you got cell phones in there when you was locked up, or you wasn't crazy when you came home? Because I knew when you first came home, I could tell what was most. moving out here or the way this shit was looking was like weird to you. Like you, you was in jail. How many years? Thirteen. You came out.

It was modern technology. I could tell by watching you on the gram. I was like, oh, man, this guy, he got to adjust. I said, he's going to get to. There's usually anybody who comes off the street foot. But it was, it was, you know, they had, we had the tablets in there. So we kind of, you know what I mean? We had to a little extremilated to like the, you know, the little icon movement and all of that.

But it was definitely, definitely a coach's shot when I came home. Things were different, right? Yeah. Everything was just so instant, you know what I mean? I tell everybody, you know, before I left, you couldn't order for McDonald's and all that. Like, just, you know, somebody. You know, that's shit crazy. Now you watch TV.

Ring your bell and pass you there. So I was like, what? You watch TV and the thing just says, if you want to order this right now, you can be a big, this guy's wearing. the shirt on City Live. You don't want to order. I swear the guy. It's like that on the TV.

You're only on the video game. 2K. Yeah, you go on the sneakers. You can order. You can get to sneakers. Yeah. They got everything. You know, two chains.

Two chains. Let me tell you something. The guard in my head is an ill title. The voice in my head is God, man. You've been doing some arms. You're doing some real upsets. I got to throw. Man, that's in the same tight.

Yeah. You got flagged out. Oh, he's new voice. Man, this is a little, man. Hey, the wrong title. Man, your ass burnt, man. Hey, man. Hey, you're a burnt type, bro.

Hey, I ain't gonna lie. This, like, this is Ben and Hunter show. I'm, like, seeing you through the screen different. Like, this, man, you burnt out for real. Boy, like, when I see it, I'm like, man. I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking. I ain't know. Oh, you thought I was.

No, right. This close to you, no, something wrong. I'm looking at you, bro. You tripping something. Where are you in doing? My head is God. The voice in my head is God. If you can read, it's a great read. If you get audio five. My audio is happy. My audio is going to get a Emmy or something. A Grammy.

Oh, they do Grammys for the audio? Yes. Oh, God. I'm going to get it, bro. They do Grammys for the audio Audio in Who got the last one, who got the last one?

Look, I see he googling that shit. Dalai Lama won the last The Dalai Lama, that's you. Don't worry about it. Yeah, you got that. The Dalai Lama won it last. Real? Man, let me tell you something.

The name of this book is The voice in my head is God. Thank God I ain't get a flag don't on me. Yo, listen, thank you. Thank Mama for coming through. You know, that's the big. You know what I'm saying?

Thank Nadine. Thank the deputy. Then we had a whole list of them of us. Crazy shit. We're crazy. I get the book. Get the book. You know, I'm a big two chains fan regardless.

You know what I'm saying? So all your albums, I get them. You know what I mean? I like a two chains album on a fucking airplane where I ain't got no distraction. I'm going to L.A. I play that shit. And then, you know, Natina's your number one fan.

She was talking big shit. Like, y'all, two things are drop. You got to get this. I'm like, you're on the Tina. I'm going to, nah, you got to feel like that. Yeah, she's all right, Natina for sure. So she, so she, and then what was the shit today? We were singing up.

There comes the time. Where you need an open it. Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this. That ain't this. make some noise for two chains and our guest today. Thank you. Help, help.

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