Joe and Jada - Angie Martinez IRL - Jill Scott On First Album In A Decade, Being Feminine Force In Music & Acting

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

Singer and actress Jill Scott joins Angie Martinez to discuss her latest album, To Whom This May Concern– the first time she’s dropped an album in a decade. From motherhood to mentorship, Jill Scott discusses the new era of work in her life all the while creating music. Jill Scott reflects on her moment singing with Erykah Badu at the Dave Chappelle event, and calls D’Angelo “The Wizard Of Oz.” From friendship red flags to keeping her future relationships private, Jill Scott unpacks how to be a strong, feminine force in life. Plus, Angie asks some In Real Life questions, and Jill answers a fan’s question on the show. Finally, Jill Scott discusses her famous character Sheila from the movie ‘Why Did I Get Married?’ and its upcoming installment.Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuiltanetwork/ytb/All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet#VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York,

since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. It started really early with my mom pissing me off about something, and she didn't give me 50 cents to go to the store or whatever. And then what would you do? Just give me the, let me understand the process. I would be in my room like, hi, Mom is so mean. She wouldn't get me 50 cents. And I really wanted to watch my calling.

You didn't think this was a talent? No. I didn't think it was talent. I didn't think about it at all. It was just something that made me feel better. That's what music does for me, and it still does all this time later. Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you by Boost Mobile.

She stands as one of the most vital and essential voices of our time. A poet, a singer, a storyteller, a word. Smith. I just added that. I love it because we were talking about words. Her work continues to shape the sonic and spiritual landscape of R&B, soul, and hip-hop. And she prepares to release her first album in nearly a decade, the amazing and magical Jill Scott is our guest today on IRL. We're going to have good words today. We might have a little sip on something today. As we should. As we should. As we should. As we should. Hi, beautiful.

Hi, beautiful. It's so good to see you. Where are you been? Where you been? Where you been? Where have I been? Where have I been? I've literally around the world a lot.

I've traveled so much in this last 10 years and really focused on, I don't know, raising this boy. You know, it's really important time between nine, I would say, and 13, that time right there. That was a chunk. Why that time specifically? Because they are growing into this puberty thing. So before all the hormones take over, I wanted to make sure that I got in there well, into his heart and to his mind and find out who I'm dealing with. Because, you know, I have this one kid. So I just wanted to do it right.

I wanted to do it right. Yeah. I wanted to do it right. I worked a lot during that time. But, you know, I also was home. also got a chance to be present in his everyday thoughts. Wow. Yeah.

That was good for us. So this is a conscious decision, right? For you? Yeah. I mean, you still worked, but just to not, to slow down. It was definitely a slowdown for you. It's important. Yeah.

And no music? Well, I needed to live some. Mm-hmm. You know, I'd always make music. Always. That's so interesting because somebody like you who's so, I just imagine that you have stuff, like bursting out. out of you creative things all the time.

It must be challenging to not react to it right away or to, I don't know, you have an idea. Don't you want to go shoot the out of the world? Not really? I wanted to do what I wanted to do. That was the goal, like the whole goal from the very beginning. I want to live the kind of life I want to live. I want to take naps during the day if I want to. I want to make a garden if I want to.

I want to redecorate my house if I want to do a little demolishing and starting over renovations. I want to be there for my person, you know, this kid that God gifted me with. I want to make sure he's straight and that he's solid, you know, emotionally and mentally as much as I can. I want to make sure my mother was straight, you know. And I wanted to really want to be outside. I've really needed to want that. And I'll do. It's a choice now, right?

It is a choice. So the plan is, well, it was and still is, that you work hard in your 20s, you work smart in your 30s, you work how you want to in your 40s, you work when you want to in your 50s, and you work if you want in your 60s. That came really early, and that's the way that I'm planning my life. Wow. Yeah. So far so good. Is that funny somebody told you? No.

You taught you? You came to you in your brain? It came to me. And I was like, yeah, that's how I want it, just like that. So this is what it is. I'm working when I want to, and it feels really good to be able to do it. That's amazing. My fan base is incredibly.

Oh, they're waiting for you. Everybody's like, it's okay. Like, take as much time as you need because when you come back, we are here, we are ready, we are excited. I'm so happy to hear that. Yeah. How does he receive the fact that you have taken this role so seriously? Not that all mothers don't, but there is a seriousness to how. how you took this.

Yeah. Yeah. And not everybody else is blessed enough to be able to make that decision. I'm very grateful for that time. Very grateful. And all the other time

that I have with him to help guide him. I love him. I love him and I like him. He's a good dude. He's funny. He's charismatic. He's cool. He's thoughtful.

He's very talented. And I'm just grateful to watch this whole process. Is he making music and... He's doing a lot of things that I won't really... You'll let him grow up. Yeah.

Whenever you're ready, kid, you know, whenever you want to, I probably won't find out, you know, what he's doing until he's ready to show me. So he did a couple of things at school, and I was like, what? I had no idea. So proud. Just tickled. Tickled. That must be hard when you're the mom.

Yeah. The level of creative. Like if you're a creative, if he's a creator, and he's, if it's music or whatever, arts. Yeah. And he's got to bring the arts to you. Well, he does it in his own time because it's his. Like for me, I kept my voice to myself because it was mine.

And I needed my voice. It calmed me when I was stressed out. It encouraged me when I felt like I couldn't, you know, do something. What do you mean you kept your voice to? yourself? I really didn't I didn't really sing in public. For a long time? For a long time. I did it once

and it was great. I got a standing ovation. Is this the showcase? You had done a showcase? I was 14. And it was a freshman day at my high school and I sang a song. And nobody knew that you had these pipes, right? No. But you knew. You've been in the shower singing. I didn't judge it. I just knew it made me feel good. That it just calmed me and it, you know.

Like it started really early with my mom pissing me off about something And she didn't give me 50 cents to go to the store or whatever And then what would you do? Just give me the let me understand the process I would be in my room like My mom is so mean She wouldn't give me 50 cents And I really wanted to watch my calling

My mom You didn't think this was a talent? No. I didn't think it was talent. I didn't think about it at all. It was just something that made me feel better. That's what music does for me. And it still does all this time later.

It's the same. So because your instrument is just, I mean, what is your relationship with your instrument? I know internally it soothes you and does all those things. But you must have a very high regard for it, right? Like, no? I'm not going to say, I don't. I mean, it is a gift, right? Yes.

Yeah, yeah. So do you protect it? Do you, does it define you? It's a part of my life. And that's the way I look at it. It's not you? No. I'm a lot of things.

I'm not one thing. I've never, I don't ever recall being one thing. You know, I think I'm sweet, but I also think I'm spicy. I think that I'm intelligent, but I could do dumb shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're jelly from Philly, though. I'm a scratch from.

Yeah, yeah. And my voice is one portion of my existence. And I love it. The best thing I can do for it sometimes is to just be quiet. That helps. But it's the writer in me comes before the singer in me. Wow. Because I have to have something to say.

If I don't have anything to say, what am I singing for? What's this about? What's this all about? Because the writing tells me the emotion. And I'm like a big advocate for like Anamonapia. You remember that from elementary school? I kind of do. Yeah.

Until just now I had forgotten about it forever. It's like zap how the word should sound like, it should sound like what you're saying. Yeah. So joy has a little extra in it. Love? Love. It's soft. It floats.

You know, and that's the way I look at the writing. So the words tell me how to sing the song. Wow. So I have to have the words first for me anyway. Yeah. I wonder how, is that common amongst peers? I do know. I don't know.

The words are everything. Like even with acting, what is this script doing? You know, what does the script say? You know, luckily I've been able to maneuver at times with some of the words and it depends on the director. So even with your acting, the sound of the words

informs you. The words inform the sound. Yes, got it. And the words inform the emotion. Wow. If I don't have anything to say, then I'm just, my soul just be humming.

That's so funny because when we started this talk today, we were saying the words. Yes. Isn't that, how did we get to that? My brain. We're defining journalism. Oh, yes. Yes.

I said, I said, I'm so proud of you. watching you, you know, be this journalist. They're like, I don't think I'm a journalist. And I'm like, I think you are. You ask important questions or heartfelt questions to people that are in this industry. Yeah. And they talk to you honestly and openly. That's interesting.

We set the tone of this conversation about words. Oh, let's get it. Yay. We're going to take a quick little break. If I had your voice, I would sing all the time, Jill. Like, this is why God didn't give me your gift or a gift similar to yours because I would be so annoying with it. Like, I would. I probably have been annoying to a bunch of people at some point.

I remember friends telling me to shut the fuck up. No, it's possible. Now let's 3 o'clock in a bar. Shut the fuck up. And you're like, because I had a whole bunch on my mind. And that's kind of how it works. Oh my God, that's yummy. You like it.

I do. Okay. Okay. What do we toasting to? Longivity. Yeah. Passion. Fun.

And palabras. And palabras. Nice. Mmm. That's good, Jill. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. That's going to be good. All right.

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I don't necessarily know. Really? I will say that I've been waiting for this my whole life. I've been waiting for, to be this age and to have this. level of, I'm going to call it wisdom to experience all the things that I have. I've been waiting to speak from this position where I've had a life, okay, a whole life filled with definitely some disruption, some disappointment, some passion, thank you. So where'd you go? You just went somewhere right now.

Of course. Good for you. Thank you kindly. Some wealth, some lack, you know. And I really like to dig into those things. You know, like when I'm, I have to say that when I'm sad, I really allow it. I don't fight it. I'm going to go ahead and just feel the feelings.

I want to cry again. I'm going to do it. And when I'm finished, I'm finished. I feel like that's the only way to, now I know that that's the only way to move through life. Other than that, you know, it's just covering it up and pretending that everything is okay. It's so good. It's like when you fall down, when you try to break your fall, it takes so much longer, it's so much sloppier. You could actually hurt yourself more.

More. Whereas if you just kind of just... You've seen people on ice like, we're going to go out. You've seen it. Maybe if you just slide with that thing, you know, you'll probably have a booze. How about just laid out on the ice? Maybe you should. Yeah.

I saw my grandmother do it. And my grandfather had passed away. And we came into the house and she was on the floor. And she was crying. Oh, God. That sound. That sound. Because he was wonderful.

I have had some beautiful men in my life. I'm very, very, very grateful. for that. My grandmother laid on that floor and she cried and I don't know, maybe all day. It was terrible sounds coming from there in her room. And then the next morning, I guess that's what it took her. She cried all night, sobbed and moaned and yelled sometimes. It was scary. My mother and I kind of slept on the floor outside of her room just in case. And she got up. Fried some fish, made some grits, and we had her biscuits. And it was as if not that nothing had happened, but she was done.

She let it go. She did what she had to do. We knew he wasn't well. We knew it was a matter of time. Was this recent? No. No, I was a child. Those things have really big impact on your life.

What did for me? just watching her go through that process. I was like, that's how you deal with it. That's a woman. Oh, so you were young and were taught how to grieve. I was taught how to do a lot of things. I wanted to watch my women, my aunts and my mom and my grandma, you know, be adults. I thought it was fantastic.

I couldn't wait to wear big rings, big rings and big bracelets and big glasses. Oh, I couldn't wait. that couldn't wait. And I feel like this is that error for me. You know, now I'm here. That's interesting. Yeah, this is good. I'm grogong, grong. I see that. Yep. I'm grown grown too, but I got to tell you, sometimes I feel like I'm in my grown grown bag and I'm and I got this. I know this. I've done this. I've felt this. But even in this big grown age, sometimes shit surprises you. Sometimes just when you think you have it all figured out. Shock and all.

Shock and motherfucking all. I just had a moment like that recently. People should just know that. Yeah. We do got a lot of shit figured out at a big age, right? Yes. But life will keep teaching you. Absolutely.

Yeah. But as you grow and as you age, you learn how to handle the twist and turns. You might, for me, I sometimes have to just get still. Like, okay, that was a lot. Let me just sit down. Okay, I'll make a good cup of coffee. You know, I'll call one of my incredible friends and be expressively honest. And I have, oh, even the weeding of friends.

Oh, it's delightful. Talk to me about that. Oh, that part. I have friends. Okay, my best friend in the world, the only person I had ever called best friend. Yeah. Has been my best friend since I was two years old. Mm-hmm.

Two. I'm 53. We've been friends for 51. We've never had an argument in our lives. I have one since eight. See? Blessed. So I know exactly what that is.

That is one of the greatest blessings in life. It is one of the greatest blessings. And then the rest of my beautiful friends, we're 20-some-odd years in, 30 years in, of great friendship. Yeah. And some people, they fall off. They just have to go for multiple reasons. Sometimes people are toxic.

And I know that's a word that people use, but I mean bad energy. I mean. Or toxic for you. Toxic just for me. Like some things I can't do with you. Like, oh, that just doesn't sit good. My mother told me a long time ago when it came to like drug dealers and people in the neighborhood, I'm like, but he's so nice, Mom.

He's such a great guy. He lets me read him at Gerell and Poe. You know, he wants me to read. him, he rooms me to read him stories. And she was like, bullets don't have names. So your energy that you're carrying and the way that you move with the things that you do,

the bullet doesn't have a name. I might get caught in the crossfire of your foolishness. I'm going to let you go. I'm going to let you go. And at this age, baby, my sword is hot. It's sharp. It's black. it's black so you can't see it in the dark

and it will cauterize before you know you're dead and I have no negative feelings about it I just feel like a ninja out of my life that is fantastic I love it I love it what is usually the cause of that I know toxic energy but like for you

one of the reasons that I'm cut somebody out is if they like their bullshit too much. You know? A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer,

the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Some folks, if you cannot afford the thing, don't buy the thing, and then come to me to help you out with major life things. My major life bills. You know, you're going on a holiday. Okay, a vacation. No, a trip is a week. A vacation is two weeks

And a holiday is a month and over You've gone on a holiday But you don't have your mortgage Okay, maybe you needed that I understand But the next time Oh and a time after that Here comes that sword

Here we come Yeah Because that's enough It's enough You're not responsible with your life And your finance So why on earth should I Help you be irresponsible

Why should I put myself, $700 is the same to you as it is the me, babe. I could fill my house with groceries with $700. I could buy myself a nice little pair of shoes. I could help a friend who needs it. It could be $700 or $7,000 or $70,000. Whatever the case may be, I can't play with you when you're playing with your finance. I won't do it. So a lot of family members got cut off.

Because I won't, I won't do it with you. You do it too often. And old Jill won't come and save the day. No, she's not. That blade is brutal. It's over. And sometimes, you know, I just give somebody to money and let them go where they got to go. My mother always says, don't, never lend anybody money.

If you're willing to give somebody money to help them, then that's cool. And if you get it back, it's like a bonus. It's amazing. But if you give somebody money, give it with the intention of you're probably never going to see it again. Right. So that you don't get disappointed. And if also you don't have it to give away, don't lend it. If you ask me for a loan, I'm going to give you a loan.

You are? You expect it back. Because we're adult here, yeah? So it's an agreement. Yes, an agreement. And I'm not going to break you. So obviously you need a help. So if you've got to pay me back, $25 a month should not break you.

But if you don't keep up with that $25 or $50 or $100, however much we agreed on, and I think I'm being kind, this is a no-interest loan, okay? So I'm going to need you to respect our agreement. So the next time, if you need me, I'm there for you because you have respect for my work. This is my work. And my mother, you know, my mother lives on a cruise ship. my son goes to an amazing school you know these things

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How do you handle that? How do you handle, like, grief or sadness of those moments? It's a lot of baths. Baths? Because you said you give it a time and then there's a cut off. I give myself as long as it takes. Okay. But I have it.

I don't half have it. You know, it might be some yelling and some screaming. You know, it's long walks, literally. They're still good to me. It's long baths. It's conversations with friends at three or four o'clock in the morning. It's maybe a little trip. I might have to do that.

I've had to do that before. Let me get away from everybody because I'm no good, you know, those things. That's how I pretty much deal with it. And I might buy myself something that I really want. You know, like life is still good. You know, like, look at my new whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

Or I'll make a donation to something that matters to me. That makes up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's nice. I use money. I use it for my betterment. And I think that's the way, for me now, I understand that it's a tool. Yeah.

And I should use it and enjoy and see the world as much as possible. And give back to my community, too. It makes me happy. You can't tell me nothing about that. You're a happy person overall, though, no? Most of the time. Yeah. Most of the time I live in joy.

Good for you. My mentor talks about it all the time. Who's your mentor? Pamela Macklin. She is incredible, full of life, very funny, very open and raw and honest with me, has been a support system, whether it's with my kid or in my relationship. or in my career, in my fashion, you know, she's just, she's a grand dom and I'm watching her and loving her.

What is the relationship like of a mentor to you? Like what is that? Is that a daily thing? Is that a weekly thing? Is that just you watching and being inspired? Is that what is that? It's when a need. Or when it comes up, I can just think of her and she'll call me.

You know, I could think of her and she'll be. call my kid. You know, I can think of her and she'll call my partner. Like, she's, she's very present in my existence. Um, so that's pretty much how it works. Um, for my, my, I have mentees. Sometimes I don't talk to them, you know, for a year or two, but then I'll know, or they'll know and, or need me for something and call and then now we're seeing each other, like, two or three, four times a month, which is crazy because we haven't seen each other, you know, that much. But now we're, we're right back connected. Friendships like that, mentorship like that, you don't need to call somebody every day. No, it's natural. It's the universe is.

It's real. Yeah, yeah. No, I get that. Yeah. I totally get that. You have a mentor? You know, I don't really have a mentor. That's why Ash is so interesting to me. I never, I have people that influence me or I have resources. My mother's always been my kind of mentor in a way. Yeah. You know, but no, I've always kind of like, that's why I asked that. I'm so interested in me when some, I think there's so much value. I do have mentees, people that I kind of coach along the way.

But no. Is it too late? No. I can go get me one now. No. I can go get me one now. I think about it this way. like, oh my God, I'm

almost 26 years into this industry, which is very cool to me because a lot of people don't last that long. But then I'm looking at my beloved Gladys Knight, who's 50 plus years and Patty LaBelle 50 plus years

and the fantastic Chaka Khan, 50 plus years. Like Dionne Warwick, like 60 plus years. Smokey Robinson. What is that? How much time is that? Like, God, darn.

And to remain sane, you know, to remain loving, to, like, enjoy the fruits of their labor. Like, it's beautiful. I just love to see it, and that's what I want for myself. Let's talk about now where you're at, because music's coming, which is very exciting. The world is very different, by the way. Yes. The world in the music business and just, I don't know, the whole space is so much different. then the last time you put music out.

How does that feel for you? Is that exciting? Is that weird? I don't know. Urge you. You don't think about that? I don't. I don't think about it.

I think about can I get butts in seats? Because publishing is messed up. You know, getting a percentage of a penny for a song that you worked. Could be a month. Could be three months. Could be all night. Could have been an hour. But nonetheless, you worked on it.

And you hired musicians and you're in a studio and, you know, all of those things. Like to get a percentage of a penny is so disrespectful. I can't. Yeah. Oh, it hurts my feelings so much. And I think about it in this state, the way the world is and the way the industry is, like, if you can't perform live, then you're not going to make it. How they survive, yeah. I don't know how anybody survives without live performance.

And it also just so happens to be my favorite thing. Yeah. You know, now I get to. You're so phenomenal at it. Thank you. I get to convey these words. Yeah. I get to take my time.

I get to languish in the language with musicians that I respect and that have multiple vocabulary. All that thing is exciting to me. That's exciting for us. I'm so glad. I'm excited for it too. Because I love it. I don't know why you were talking just now and I'm thinking about like the level of artists and talent

and how in the past 20 years and DiAngelo just came up for me. And I wonder for you, because you also named Patty and all these like legends. And there's legends that we've lost. I feel like, I don't know, it's just been a lot of loss in the past few years. I just wonder how that affects you as an artist.

I know you and Dee were friends too, right? We were not. Really? No. Why did I assume that? Just musically? I think everybody assumed that we, would know each other.

Did you not know each other at all? I never met him. And it goes back and forth. People are calling me like, you remember when you met DiAngelo? Like, have you never met DeAngelo? I never met DeAngelo. Why didn't I think you were like best friends and went on tour? Everybody thinks these things.

You guys were at the Dave Chappelle event together. Was he not there? In my mind, he was at the Dave Chappelle event? If he was there, I didn't meet him. You know how many people were at the Dave Chappelle? It was so many people. I've been at essence while he was on stage. I got to see the performance, but I didn't meet him.

It's not that I didn't want to meet him. I have a girlfriend who tells me you met him at a studio in New York. And I'm like, if I met the Wizard of Voss, I would remember. Is that how you think of him as the Wizard of Voss? Absolutely. Absolutely. What is that? Why that?

Because he's a gift. He's magical. That kind of, that level of soul. and passion and musicianship and sexy. You know, his timing alone. I would have remembered. Like, come on, who doesn't remember meeting the wizard devise? And that's how I feel like I would have remembered that.

Show me pictures. And then put me in the hospital. Give me a little time away because clearly something's going on. That time at that Chappelle event, How do you reflect on that era in that time? It was such a magical, I don't know, moment. Just seeing all of you guys together in that epic, legendary you and Erica moment. It was like a rap battle on stage with voices.

I don't know. How do you reflect on that time in that moment? Oh, man. It definitely wasn't a rap battle. It felt like a rap battle. You think for me watching it, yes. Oh, no. Because it was respectful, but it felt like, I know,

I think I've heard you say that that it wasn't in that way. Not for me. I don't think it was that way for Erica, but she is kind of like, you know, she's a thugger. So, but that wasn't, that wasn't where I was coming from. I didn't even know she was there. And then I heard her voice. And then I heard, like when I watch it now, I hear where we clicked. And we started this, this swim together. And I said, oh man what is happening sonically here you know all of a sudden we were we were magical

we were uh eurasia we were we were women women of African descent in this space even now when I watch it I think it's powerful like I left myself

and I loved it anytime I can leave myself I think it's just fantastic. That was a busy day. It was a lot of people. It was a lot of questions. It was a lot of traffic. I tend to get still before I perform anywhere for anything.

And it just, there was nowhere to go. I had no, like, peace of mind. So I was working hard on just trying to be still in this moment. Because there's Talib Qa Ali, and there's freaking, Yassine Bay and there's James Poyser and there's Lauren Hill and there's like there's Kanye I was there's there's John Legend like this is amazing and then of course there's this audience that are just waiting mouths open eyes open waiting for whatever we're going to give them and it was divine it was divine I was a little hurt that Dave didn't invite me to Radio City Music Hall the nerve I was

I was like, I was there too, Dave. But I guess I missed that one. Have you spoken since? I never told him that. Oh, come on, Dave. So he's, I didn't tell him. But, you know, that's my dude. Something will happen.

I forgave him a long time. It's so interesting. You talk about being such fans of everybody that you have such a confidence. Even in that moment, I would never think that you were looking around at everybody else. Like, oh my God, there's, there's, there's. What? Because you show up with such a confidence. So where does that come from?

And is that all the time? Do you carry confidence all the time? Or do you have to summon it? I would say no. I would love to carry confidence all the time. I would say no. Because I know it's a gift, not a given. So I'm waiting for the gift to move me.

And that's my whole energy that I'm just, okay, here I am. You know, I'm in this space with these amazing people and I respect them all. It's so cool. Okay. What are you going to do with me? What are you going to do with me? And then I tend to only really speak to the people that it has to be a little. And then I'm like, you know, hey.

I see you. I see you. You see me? Now we can have a conversation. And I make my way over to them. And sometimes it's reciprocated. Sometimes I feel real stupid. But I'm honoring myself.

You know, and I'm okay with that. I've been, you know, dismissed by a couple of people that I thought would embrace me. And I was like, maybe next time. Right. And maybe that is confidence. Yeah. The, you know, the confidence to be all of my. myself, whether it's scared or nervous.

Vulnerable. Vulnerable. That's, it is what it is. Has anything in that moment surprised you? Because to me, that sounds like you submit almost. Yep. Right? You're just like submitting to it.

I'm a dominant submissive in the majority of my life. I'm strong-willed, but if I see the need to be quiet and listen, will shut up. If I feel the need to follow the path, I will follow the path. But if I don't, you know, feel moved by something, I will make my own way. I will follow my own path. I have to be moved. And that's with everything. Has it, have you ever waited for that to happen and it didn't? Yep. Tell me that. Tell me what. We woke up. What do you mean? We broke up. You know, if I'm not inspired, if I'm not motivated or moved, then I can't stay. I can't.

How do you deal with breakups? By the time I break up with somebody, you know, it's pretty clear that that's what's going to happen. I start to get more and more quiet. And I have less offerings. And that's kind of how it works. So you slowly fade out. I fade out. Yeah.

I know some women stay too long. Some women take heartbreak really bad, where it takes them down and they don't get back up. Yeah. You know, I think, I don't know, I think maybe we were not always prepared women in life for how. I feel like your grandmother maybe prepared you in that moment for some sort of. She prepared me for a lot of things. She did. Yeah.

she said, no man is above you and no man is beneath you. And I, you know, I took that as people. You know, so if you treat people that way, then you'll be just fine in this life. Yeah. I know as someone who's built sets and hung lights and mop floors and clean toilets that if this person is not here to participate, your show is not happening. Your shit ain't running. You need everybody and you need the energy to be good. You need to be graceful towards people, you know, and be grateful for their interaction and for their skill set. Because other than that, it's not going to happen. I didn't put this makeup on. My friend did it.

No, you got a squad here, I see. A beautiful squad of people. Great energy and skill set. It matters, you know, from the person who's making the food for all of us, you know, catering to the lovely person that ran out and got our beverage. Sarah, thank you, Sarah. Thank you, Sarah. Good looking out. Because this is nice.

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he's been studying and trying to be in flow state you know like that is his his thing right and that that's when the ideas and the things come like you have to make space for that and i don't know when i watch you perform and you're on stage you always seem like you are locked into another level of something thank you. Is that what it feels like inside? What is that? How do you get there? I'm a ball of nerves before I pass the stage.

There's an invisible line on the floor that takes you to this stage. I'm a ball of nerves. I'm terrified. I don't know if they're going to like me. I don't know if I were the right thing. I don't know. I do all these things. That surprises me so much, but okay.

I mean, what? What good is it for me to pretend with you? Yeah. You know I'm saying? Like this is who I am. So I feel all these things. And then I cross that line and then she shows up. And I allow her to take over.

And I don't want you to get, you know, anybody to get confused and think something negative or, y'all, I don't know about these people in the devil. I don't know anything about it. I don't know about selling souls. I don't know anything about it. It doesn't interest me. It's not my thing. I couldn't imagine selling something that doesn't even belong to me in this way.

You know, like, what do you mean? My soul is in partnership with the creator, period. What are you talking about? I don't know, but maybe people know it. Okay, stay over there. But for me, I align myself with a positive force. a good energy and I allow that to come through. I align myself with fearlessness because I want to say the thing that's going to touch that person in the seventh row and the fifth seat. I want to touch

their lives in some way, shape, or form. And that person is all the way up there. I want them to hear what I'm saying to them and it's more than just me saying it. You need to hear this for you. And in this state, at 53, with this life experience that I've been having and these failures and these successes and love lost and losing people and getting rid of people and all the things, I just, I just, that's my job. My job is to communicate to your spirit via sound, via words, words and sounds. How do you get there? Is there a way? Is there a trick? Or you just, you have a direct line.

I have a direct line. I just allow it. I just allow it. Because I think sometimes even with this show a lot in real life, my hope is that to my version of the person in the fifth row or the 13th is somebody who's sitting home right now who is disconnected. Yeah. And then how do we speak to them in a way that they learn from your story, how to get connected? Because do you think that everybody has a line? Yep.

You do. Yep, born with it. It's up to you to do the math and go search them for it. You know, that's up to you. Did you always have it? Yes. From as soon as I can remember. Because I didn't make, I didn't say words like mama or dada.

I just grunted. What is? age is this? As soon as I can make sounds. I'm an interesting story from the very beginning. And my first words were a sentence. And it just is what it is. I have allowed myself to be friends with the creator.

That's my best. Like, it's my best friend. And then it's my best friend. You know what I mean? Like when I talk about my relationship, my best friend, the bestest friend I've ever had. is Jehovah God, period. Sees me through, tells me quietly,

don't go that direction, go this one. And sometimes I go the wrong direction and now I've got to learn. And it is what it is. Thank you for the lesson. It didn't kill me, bent me, didn't break me. Thank you for the lesson. And that's how I exist.

Now, when it comes to other people finding their connection or their direct line, I think it's a lot of ways. hug a tree, walk barefoot in the grass, talk to an animal, be still, meditate, listen to music, dance, make love. Sometimes people find it in a facility, you know, in a building, do that, you know, go to church or something. It's that's your thing, do it.

Maybe some people find it in travel, you know, but go looking for it. That's your math to do. You know, but I sincerely hope I inspire other people to find theirs because it's good. It's really, really good. I say this all the time that this is the best life I have ever had. I don't know about the other ones, but this one. Pretty good. This one is great.

And like you said, you've been to some things. Was there any time? Because it's easy on the other side to be like, yeah, I've been through some things and I learned and I was fine. But were there times where you were not, whether there were times where you're like, oh, oh, I'm in trouble. There were some things I didn't like. You know, definitely didn't like, I didn't like getting a divorce. They say divorce is like, what is it, death? Yeah, divorce.

Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. The divorce is a very traumatic experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The first one was traumatic.

The second one wasn't. How so? Because I didn't care. Well, that makes me easier. The first one, you know, we were really great friends. We're like the best of friends. So it sat different. He's still a really good human being.

The second one, I... you're okay cutting you brought the sword out you took the sword out yeah yeah I'm fine I'm fine but you made it to the side of both yeah yeah and you still believe in love yep whole wholeheartedly would you do it again yep maybe maybe yep maybe yep but I what I would I felt like yes is I heard was yes I would keep it to myself I'll tell you that yeah yep so it could be mine. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Something has to just be mine for private. I get that. Yeah. What do you say about being open to transitioning things? I think about your career. It's not just music. I mean, you had a lovely acting career.

Thank you. So far so good. Right? So far, so good. But you kind of just jumped in and did it well. But theater started before that. I knew that. I knew that about you.

I did. I don't know why I'm thinking of films. I'm thinking of specifically why did I get married in that role. Just because I was reading that it's coming back, right? It is coming back. It is. How do you feel about how that role just set in people's lives and hearts and there's memes? I don't know.

Something about that character. Something about Sheila is like, what is that? Did it surprise you? And do you feel what I'm talking? You know what I'm talking about. I know what you're talking about. There is a deep connection to this woman. Yes, somebody mentions her to me pretty much every day of my life.

Every day of your life. Pretty much. If I'm outside. Why do you, I think I know why I think, but why do you think? No, tell me why you think. Why I think is because, you know, there's certain people that, that same role, they could have played that same role and you could have been like, oh, why doesn't she, why would she let that, she could almost seem naive or it could be annoying to watch a woman make a bad

decision with a partner or let somebody treat her that way, right? But something about the way you portrayed her and this character, you kind of, I don't know, you rooted for her. You saw her soul and sympathized with her. And then also we saw her kind of

raise up and find her way. But I don't know, that was beautiful, the way, I don't know, it was like a fine line of like, you could tell there's a toughness under there. And she chose to be so soft to this man who didn't deserve her. By the way, he probably lives his life every day hearing.

Richard T. Jones is literally one of the nicest people on the planet. That poor man. And so funny and so cool. Because he was abusive. He was brutal. He was horrible. Horrible human being. He was horrible.

So mean. I would roll my eyes of him today if I saw him in the street. Oh, I bite him. I bite him and hug him. You do? He does. He's the sweetest. But that's acting.

Yeah. That's acting. Yeah. Of course it is. It's course it is. Yeah, the people will still, you know, like, oh, Jill, you let that guy treat you like that. No, no, no. No.

That was acting. That was acting. And it was written, you know, and I just wanted to give her grace. I just wanted to give her grace. I've got a bad reputation, I think, at this point where people say that my characters tend to be weaker. And I think that there are times when every. Everybody is a little weaker. Yes.

I think there are times. And I know there's a lot of hard folk, you know, that, oh, I don't get fucked. You know what I'm doing. I don't get. I would never. You would never, never, never. Those be the ones that get got.

We had the feelings hurt because you don't have any vulnerability in you. And I think that that lives as well. You know, I think that sometimes women are soft. maybe a little too soft. I think that women are sometimes strong, sometimes too strong. You know what I mean? Like we're really out here just being people.

Yeah. And living within the circumstances sometimes that our life presents. We can break out of those circumstances, but sometimes you're in them and you have to figure out how to move forward. And it's not, every path is not the same. You know, we're really humans out here. It's like trying to figure it out.

And that's the gist of it. If you don't get that, I don't know what to tell you. So I play characters sometimes that are a little... Have you ever been a Sheila in a relationship? Never. Really? Never ever. Never. Nobody has ever made you do some out of character or out of pocket or...

It wasn't that. It was probably the sex. That made me a little less powerful. in the moment. Somebody took you down. Yeah. Oh, thank goodness for that. Like I said, I am a dominant submissive.

So I appreciate the time when I actually can submit. Now I've learned with grace and age that I cannot submit until I can see that I can submit. It can't just be words. It can't be an action. Is this a real thing? In relationship? This is how you guide your relationship? It has to be consparen.

firm and consistent. I need, I need some. Off charge. It's got to be bare, firm, and consistent. That's what you need from your man. That's what I need. If your man is fair, firm, consistent, you will submit.

Yep. And what is submissive, Jill? What does that mean? To anything, to whatever? No, no, no, no. I'm still here. You're still here. I'm still here.

You're not going to disappear. No, and I'm here to help. a partnership. But you trust to... Yes. I want to be able to close my eyes while you drive. You know, I want to be able to sleep while you maneuver. You know, I want to be at peace.

That's important to me. You know, all this whole life has been about me finding and maintaining a certain level of peace. So I need to know that you are who you say you are, even when nobody's looking. You know, I need that. And that takes time. It's, it's, I call it like molasses ass slow. You know. Have you ever had that? Yes. So you believe in it still? Yes, I do. Yeah. Yes, I do. What do you think the signs of that? So those women's watching now and they're like, yes, I want that too. How do you identify that?

Hmm. Like, how do you identify? Like, how do you identify it? Let me think about that. That's a good question. Simple things. When there is, okay, I'm getting something to eat or I'm making something to eat and I made you some too. Whether I asked you if you wanted it or not. I'm just considering you. A cycle of consideration is a very, very good thing to pay attention to. That's nice. That's a friend. Ooh, a friend. Okay. The deep desire to share your dreams with me, to share your accomplishments and your failures with me, that means, oh, wow, we are friends. Okay, that's good. your willingness to ride with me, which whatever I'm doing,

where we're going to the beach. Cool, we're going skiing. Okay, you know what I mean? I don't, maybe someone that like the beach or like skiing, but I'm going to participate with you because you're my friend. Friends are a lot harder. Like genuine friendship is a lot harder to betray than something where we're just attracted. attracted to each other.

Attraction fades, attraction shifts. This is my thinking about that. I think creating a friendship, a real friendship, is better than anything else you could possibly do. Then you can choose if you want to move forward with that. Do you have red flags? A red flag is if you can't afford it, don't spend it. I'm not going to judge you for being.

smart. You know, a red flag is when you're not a participant in your child's life. Like, how do you do that? How you do that? You know, I've seen, like I said, I have really good men in my life, friends that have going through the fire to spend time with their children. And I respect that. You know, the mom and they don't get along and it's constant beef,

but listen, keep persevering for the sake of your child because they need you. And anybody tells you different, you know, it's not telling you to truth. Red flag. Yeah, that's a red flag. Get out of here. Yeah, the spending, the participation with your family, your children, particularly with your children. excuse me, a red flag.

I can do a whole relationship show in jail. This is good. Listen, it's not just the stuff that I've experienced. It's also the stuff that I've paid attention to. Like, I have really good friends that let me in their life, male and female that let me into their lives. So I get a chance to learn some things without actually having to go through it myself. You know, that's, thanks y'all. Appreciate it.

Yeah. Those are the red flags I would think of. Oh, I think a red flag is. Oh, this one is annoying. Okay, come on. When someone only gives you enough loving to pacify but not fully please. How dare they? Do you mean physically?

Do you mean, oh, yes. How dare you? You mean, don't take it all, they don't take it all the way. Yeah. Uh-uh. Yeah, just enough. I'm giving you just enough. You mean to tell me that you flew all the way here,

we're going to get this one time, one time, and then you're going to go sleep, and then stay sleep until you leave. Are you crazy? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think I find that as a red flag. Like, you're saving it for somebody else. You're sharing that thing with somebody else.

I think you are. because who wouldn't want to serve my purpose? All the time. Serve my purpose. How dare you? Maybe the man's tired. Maybe the man to work all day. You better say that before you get here.

And we've been bouncing around the world and now we're finally in the same spot. Don't do that. We exhaust yourself. Wait, I just feel like we were bouncing all over the place. Did I get an answer on when this movie was coming out? No. I don't know. All right.

So it doesn't matter. All right. So then it doesn't matter. No, I don't know. But it's coming. Did you get what I was saying about Sheila, though? Like, I just feel like, I don't know. It's like you gave her a license to be vulnerable.

And for some reason, we didn't get annoyed by that. Normally, like. I'm so glad. I'm so glad that people didn't. I think it was because it's you. But it's not. So then I know it's not. But you carry a certain strengthness automatically.

Thank you. So even if you play super vulnerable, I don't know, there's like an air of, we know it's in there. Like, we know there's some strength in there. Come on, Sheila. Come on, Sheila. You know what I'm saying? There's room for Sheila. And that's all right.

I just thought it there, boo, come on. And that's all right. Yeah. I didn't like how much people will make fun of her. No. I didn't. I didn't like that. I remember the scene on the plane.

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Listen for free on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. The scene on the plane, Tyler had extras. Make fun of me when I got on the plane. They were just going back and forth making jokes about Sheila's weight. And obviously, you know, I had on a whole fat suit. And it was cumbersome. You know, so the walk was, was just. genuine and the sitting down was genuine and all the things. And then I practiced in it quite a bit

so that it felt genuine to the character. But the folks on the flight really went in on fat jokes. And it, like, it sucked. Did you know they were going to do this? No, I did not. That's like abusive a little bit like. I felt like it was. Sorry, Tyler, I hated that shit. But I'd, since Hesely hated it. They were just going at me. Does he know that? After you say, yo. I think I told him once or twice, you know, that I remember that, you know.

And that's when I decided, too, that I, as a woman who comes from a family of Amazon's, my mother is 6'1. You know, I'm the runt of my family, okay? Everybody is tall. I decided that I am not fat, but I. I have some, and it made me feel better. And that's how I, that's how I moved through my life. Like, you're not going to define me as a thing. I'm multi-colored.

I'm multi-dimensional. I'm, you know, I'm soft. Like I said, I'm soft and I'm strong. You know, I'm a whole human being out here, you know, who comes from some pretty dark places like in North Philadelphia and some pretty beautiful places like North Philadelphia. You know, it's a, it's a stool, you know, to make the, to make a person. And I feel the same way about acting. Like, it's a stew.

There's other parts of Sheila that luckily Sheriff Troy saw, you know, and then they began their life together. And even Mike, you know, in the second one, he saw her too and needed her assistance, because they always need you. And she was sheriff or Mike in the new one? Oh, sorry. I couldn't help that. You just took me to a place I needed to know right away.

I'm going to say sheriff. And no Mike could have been saved. He could come back. Like, who knows, right? Last we saw him, he had cancer. Yeah, I remember that. I mean, cancer takes a lot out of a person. Mm-hmm.

Maybe some of the evil, too. Mm-hmm. Do you believe? Do you believe in people that deep, like a person like Mike? Like in real life. Could you, can people be redeemed to that level? Not with me. No.

Not with me. No. In life, overall, perhaps. Not with me. Right. But not with you. Listen, I can forgive you from afar, but I'm more likely to. forget you, then forgive you. No, you did that shit. You really, really tried to harm me.

And that's terrible. Who wants to hurt me? Word. Oh, you deserve every bit that's coming your way. And it is. It is. It's not a threat. It's a fact. I come here to do no harm. I know that for sure. So if you attempt to harm me, oh, oh. And I've seen it time after time, after time, after time, after time. And that's all I really can say at this point. Like if someone is attempting to harm me, I'm just, I just feel pity. So where does forgiveness sit in that? Now, are you a forgiving person?

Can you be a forgiving person? I probably could. It's not what I'm working on right now. Got it. It's not the season you're in right now. It's not the season I'm in. But let's say somebody who's unconditioned, like your child or your mother or a sibling. Like, you have to have forgiveness, right? Like, forgiveness has to be part of the program, no?

For someone like a child, like my child. You still have to think about it I do I do I don't know where that is where you've got to forgive people I don't know like if that's how you feel then that's what you should do

but if that's not how you feel like hold on a minute you probably feel some other feelings let them happen you know give us the space so you get to forgiveness and it's genuine I don't want to just say it

and then it not be true I'd rather just wait you think people sometimes maybe rush to forgiveness Sure. Yeah. We have a little segment on our show today. Okay.

It's a voice note, usually a fan of yours, fan of the pod, knew you were coming. So it's a question or a comment. It's presented by Boost Mobile. It is our voice note. This is for Jill Scott. Hey, Jilly from Philly. You are probably one of the most confident women I know within their sexuality. And I really appreciate you for that.

So I have a new man. and I can get like a little shy in the bedroom sometimes. So do you have any advice, like any one-liners or anything I could do to just like spice things up a little bit? She wants to go to a new level of her sexuality. I don't, okay, this is a tough one because I don't know her and I don't know what she wants. Does she want to be aggressive? Because if she wants to be aggressive, then it's a mindset. It's not asking for it's taking and being confident in that.

Confidence is the problem, though. If she is internally aggressive, she has to figure out if she is dominant, submissive or submissive-dominant, or is she a submissive-submissive-submissive, or is she a dominant? She has to know herself first. herself in order to get what she wants out of this thing. Is she doing this just because she thinks he'll like it? Or is she doing this because she'll like it? That is like the most important part of it all. Like some people know this about me. I know DJ Premier knows this about me because we've had extensive conversations about it. But I am a huge fan of Vanessa Del Rio, the porn star.

I love how confident she was in her film. Now, I didn't expect to be looking at Vanessa Del Rio, but I found my uncle stash, right? I think I interviewed Vanessa Del Rio back in the day on Ladies' Night. I used to have a show called Ladies' Night, and she came once or twice on to the show. I've been trying to have lunch or dinner with her for like 10, 15 years. Does she know you love her? I send her messages, but I don't get anything back. I remember she was, it was years ago, but I remember met her and she was lovely.

and super warm and like, I don't know. I have her book. I have the sign lithograph. Like, I love her. It's real. Because she's the first person that I saw. And in comparison to anything else that I've ever seen that absolutely, absolutely wanted what she was given and absolutely took what she wanted.

And I said, that's it right there. That's the level of confidence that I want to have in my sexuality. But she knew what she wanted. if you read her book, she tells you all about what she wants and she got what she wanted. How do you find that in the tapes, though? So you find the sex tape? I watched.

And you picked her out at the bunch and you were like, she's different? Yeah, because she liked it, liked it. She didn't kind of like it. It wasn't about getting a paycheck. I could tell in her eyes. She's the only one dissecting the four tapes. What else is it?

For research. Right. It's research. Yes. To find the bits and pieces that you like for yourself and then emulate them later in your, you know, in your sex life. I think that's what it's all about. I think a lot of the, like, the porn now is kind of performative.

There's no soul in it? Yeah. Vanessa Del Rio has soul in everything that she did. And that's what I loved about her. I was like, that's, that's it right there. You know, she's not being taken advantage of. She is enjoying herself. That's what it looked like to me.

Now, she might tell me differently. She might just be a great actress. But I also read her book. And it still didn't read to me that she was being taken advantage of. She said she knew what she wanted very early in her life. And I'm like, how are you going to front on that? You know, I, I, I, you are moved and you're operating. connects to knowing yourself being present and ownership of whatever your shit is.

And whatever your shit is. So that's really the answer to the question. If she wants to be more confident, she has to figure out how she wants to be more confident as a submissive because, you know, I could give tips here as a submissive. Do you want to give one just for shits and giggles? Let's assume. First of all, I hope that this is a really, really great boyfriend. And that he deserves this.

And that he deserves it. Not everybody deserves your A game. Sometimes it's B or C. You know, and if it's B or C, you might not want to involve yourself at all. You know, save it for the good stuff. Save it for the great. You know, that's a life lesson. I'm crying.

If he's worth her submissiveness, then I would say, hands behind back, eyes close, mouth open. And be still, just wait, see what happens. If she wants to be aggressive, I would say attack. attack like a wild animal attack bite no boundaries no boundaries bite grab scratch whatever you need to

listen if that's what you like we should be doing what we like what we enjoy rather than you know what somebody else place you to be you know I think that I really do I think a lot of people would be a more happy in their, you know, personal relationship if they would really figure out what they actually like instead of trying to be what the other person likes. Word. Yeah. That's what I think. Great bar,

Jill. That's what I think. That's a great bar, Jill. That's what I think. The girls, the young girls over there, they're giving you all this. That's what I think. With the, with the bars from Jill today. Come on now. But they have to deserve it. Yes. You have to deserve you. Were you always Is this confident about who you are sexually and all of that? Well, did that come as this grown version of, I mean, I feel like it's in the music, but like... I always knew what I liked. I always knew what I wanted. I wanted to be like Vanessa Del Rio. I wanted to feel like that lady looked in her eyes.

It wasn't a masquerade. It wasn't a, I'm a damsel, you know, she got what... It seemed like she was giving what she wanted. And I'm not believing. that. Like, why shouldn't I get what I want? I'm here too. You know? Yes. And I do feel that way. But I also read books. And I also... You can watch porn, but you also read books. I read books. And I, and I do like the risque books. And I also like books like women who run with the wolves. I love that book very much. I've never read that book. It's so good. It's about all the folklore that involves

women and how I hate to, it's, if I say it this way, you might not read it and I don't want you to do that. No, no, tell me. I believe you're a good storyteller. I'll try my best. Okay. But it's how the Grim brothers who wrote like Hansel and Gretel or I think they wrote that, but along those lines, those kinds of stories where the woman is subjugated.

Or she is a witch when in actuality, she is an intuition. Her mother taught her about herbs. Her aunt taught her about giving birth and how to do that. She's someone of substance and power, but the patriarchy is afraid of women such as that. So they painted her different. They made her a monster. They made her evil when she's just knowledgeable. And that is like opened my mind so much about who I am, who my mother is, who my grandmother is.

You know, my grandmother could tell you who was calling before the phone rang. And that's just facts. My aunt Shirley could make you a meal that would make you feel so much better about everything. My mother's never been wrong about the sex of a child. You know, she makes the pregnant woman stand up and walk and she's, oh, that's a boy. She's never been wrong in the course of my life. What is that then? Intuition?

Woman. That's woman. It's a power to this thing. That's locked into your DNA. Yeah. It is. Do you think every woman is capable of that? Yep.

Where do you think they miss? I think probably society, you know, will tell you something is wrong. Maybe your religion. will tell you that something is wrong with you for having abilities and gifts, maybe even your own family. You know, when I think of women,

I always see them on like a whale or a horse, a stallion, or a unicorn. Warriors. Just warriors. Warriors, we bleed every month and don't die. Why? When the time comes, our whole universe moves to open to allow someone to come through.

Like, yo, you cannot front on that. There's power in this thing. I would love for more people to see, you know. To tap into that too. To tap into it. All of this stuff is a cultural mall. You're making me feel very like, I don't know, like I need to do more. I need to do more. I don't know, more womanly, woman warrior shit. Go outside and growl.

Yes. Growl at somebody. Brittany, don't be alarmed today later, the fact of the show. Roar. I need to roar. Yeah. You deserve to roar. Right?

Yeah. I'm going to do it today. Why not? It would be weird in Manhattan in the middle of Manhattan. So what? You got a point. So what? I'm going to judge you now.

Right. after you've accomplished all of this in your lifetime. So what? Angel Martinez out there roaring in the middle of the street, like a crazy lady. I mean, you know when to do it. Yeah. You know, you do it. It probably sounds beautiful.

That's the thing. I sound like a, I growl at my son. You know, when he does really well, when he does, he gave a speech at his school. And he said, how'd I do? I was like, ah. And he was like, yeah, he felt that shit. Yeah, he felt that because I did.

And so did the audience. Like, we're not in tiny boxes. We are a whole spectrum of things. I believe it 100%. And I hope to inspire people to find their own personal revolution. because the trip is worth the juice is worth to squeeze. Real shit. Real shit.

Real shit. I feel like you always had yours. When did your revolution come, though? Were you bored with this? Because I feel like, I don't know talking today, did you never not have that? You say you always had it. I can't imagine. I don't know.

If it's so long ago, Maybe I chose to forget. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Like, I think I've always made decisions and did stuff and then lived with the consequences and changed and moved differently. Is there a moment in your mind? If you're telling the Jill Scott story of how she's this growling warrior woman.

Yeah. What is the vision of that? Is there a moment in your life and your career that reflects that where you have? being that or doing that at the highest level. I just wonder how you see her. Like how you say how you see women on whales and unicorns. I guess I'm asking you about that, about yourself. How do you see you in that moment?

There has been a moment in my career where I brought a dildo to work. I was working in with musicians, producers rather, a gang of them. And I didn't feel like I was being heard. And I brought a dildo and I banged it on the table. Sorry. Sound man. Sorry, friend.

I banged it on a table. I'm like, can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Because clearly there's something missing that you're not hearing what I'm saying to you. So if I had a penis. Right. You would take it more serious. Maybe you can hear what I'm saying.

Maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. Everybody laughed. We had a good Kiki. And then they started listening a little bit better. I think that might have been a moment, you know, where I felt like, that is for sure, moment for somebody.

Yeah. I mean, it worked. It worked. That's amazing. Get in my bowl. This is my Edge Martinez, IRL bowl. Let's see what question the universe gives you. We might take a couple.

We might take a couple. Okay. Our bowl of Iowa. What's your guilty pleasure? Oh, gosh. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight.

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What's my guilty pleasure? I happen to love, I'm not proud. I happen to love the drama between, Blueface and Christian Rock. I love it. I know. I know.

I know. Now, what is it about this said situation? I know. That does it for you. What does it bring up for you? I think that that that's a pimp.

And I think I think that's a pimp. And I think that she got caught him. with her bimp. But she has an interesting side too. Listen.

Because just when you think she's a little, please don't take this the wrong way, but she got a little Sheila in her. She'll say some shit. That'd be so real. And she fights. And she fights. Yep.

And so that's probably what keeps you in. It's a guilty pleasure. I just find it fascinating. But I am such. I am that way. Like I like the study people I don't know. I don't know anybody like this and I don't know anybody like her even. And I'm cool with that. But I find it fascinating that this could even be. And then there's so

much to it. And there's so much added to it. It's a lot. The tooth. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. There's so much. Okay. It's not what I expected from your bowl question. It's not what I expect either. Would you say guilty pleasure? I feel like. I feel. I I feel like I would like you to hit a couple more bold questions if you don't mind. For real? Just because you're so good at it. Oh, my God. I feel like maybe we'll do just a round, like a quick two or three round, if you don't mind.

Because here I am out here being honest. We love this. We love an honest, Jill. This is in real life. But they're not crazy questions. They're not. What is one regret you have? I regret.

Some things are personal, but this one. I regret not taking the Chicago gig. I got off for Chicago. The movie? Yes. I got offered Chicago, the movie. And I was on tour. Is this Queen Lativa's role?

And she did so great. She did. She got an Oscar, didn't she? She fucking did. Now, here you are. And I said, I said no, because I thought it was the play. and I didn't have the time. I was doing so many things.

I was on tour. I was in this country, in this place, and this city. And I, like the first two years of my career, then I had Demonia like three times. And I was like, I'm not doing a play. And I didn't read. And I didn't know. So I passed.

And I would have, I regret that. I do regret that, even though, you know, I love Dana hardcore. And she killed it. Yeah, she did it. She did the damn thing. But I would have liked to have tried to do the damn thing. That's a regret.

There's so many questions in here I want to ask for you now. Oh, you're looking. I know. I'm sorry. You're cheating. I just was looking for my favorite one. Angie Martinez is cheating. They're my questions.

I could cheat. It's my bowl. Well, it is your bowl. It's my bowl, Jenny. It is. And your show. bags. I love this. I would ask you this even if it wasn't in the bowl. These are my two questions for you. Okay. I picked these out of the bowl for you. Okay. When you leave a room, Jill, what do you hope you leave behind?

What do I hope I leave behind? Yeah. A vibe. A vibe. A strong feminine force would be nice. I would also have to care. I'm not in a position to care as much. But that's what I would hope if I did care, you know, respectfully, honestly. I get it. I'm 53. I got stuff going on. You know, love me or not.

Love me or hate me. You know, I've earned this, this position in life. I've earned this to feel this way. you know, to not really give it to him, but so much, you know. So, but if I had to care, I would hope that I leave a strong feminine energy in the room that would make other women proud to be women and other men admire women. That would be nice. As we've had wrapping up this conversation soon, but as I'm thinking about you getting ready to put new music out in the past 10 years

and having this conversation with you today. Yeah. like what is going to happen? Like, what are we going to experience now? Because I feel like you're in like an almost explosive kind of confidence. I mean, you've always been very confident, but I don't know. I just feel like you're in a very, it is what it is amazing place. I am.

Yeah. So I don't know. What do we experience as fans as receivers of the art? Like, what is going to come from this season for you? You shall see. You shall see I am very excited about whatever is going on in here I don't you know

I can't tame it and I don't want to I just want to have the ability to implement it in full vision that's what I want you know I'm out here

and I haven't been and there's all kinds of new toys there's all kinds of stuff to play with don't play with it And then some old things to play with as well, you know, like theater. I want to enjoy myself. Oh, I love that for you. Me too.

Are you in love right now, Ms. Jill? Okay, next question then. You're giving me in love vibes. That's all I'm saying. I don't know if you are now. I'm just saying you're giving me in love vibes. I already told you anything that's happening. I'm going to keep it to myself.

Okay. And enjoy my life, my private existence. And if you decide to. get married, that would be private too? You would, really? You do like a whole private safer that way, right? I think it's

worth taking the effort to make it private. Yeah. You know, I know a lot of things are going on and speaking as a two-time divorcee. I still think that marriage is sacred. You know, so I'm learning now

that it must be kept in a protected place if you're going to do it at all. It's for me anyway. Other people, that's your business, do as you will. Yeah. But for me, I think it should be safe for sure as much as possible. So wait, what can you tell us about said project, even though you're being very mysterious about the content of it? Said project is called to whom this may concern. I love this already. Yeah, me too. Me too. I recognize that who is for is who it's really, really, really for.

And I'm excited for those people that it's really, really, really for. But what do you mean? What does that mean? Who is for? Meaning that the intention is to start a personal revolution or to allow a personal revolution. for whomever is listening. So sexually, physically, mentally, spiritually, yeah. Relationships, thoughts.

Yep. Yep. So this first round of to whom this may concern is for those people that it will absolutely affect. I cannot. I'm very excited to see who will be affected. I put a lot of time, a lot of time and energy. When I say energy, I mean that I hoped and asked for certain musicianship and they showed up in the most wonderful ways. Oh, what is that? I wanted horns. So I'm talking. to David Banner and David Banner says, call trombone Shorty. And I was like, Trombone Shorty.

Like, this is an artist. We have his book in our house. I read it to my kid as he was growing up. So I end up calling Trombone Shorty and talking to him. The man did 480 tracks for one song. That level of, I'm going to give you everything I got. Woman was beautiful for me. Oh, I appreciate it so much. And that's kind of the way that the album worked. I did my part. And then I was like, show me what's next. And people showed up. And they did their part. And I was like, that's what I did it? You know what I mean? Like it was, it's spirit based project. And I think that's what I know that's what makes me so excited about it. Not to even put a lot on. I'm not trying to do that. It's to who this may concern.

If it don't concern you, if it doesn't concern you, if it's not your thing, then okay. But for who is for is absolutely who is for. It will be released February 13th. Yeah. Geeks. Wow, that's soon. Yes, it is. And does this mean like, just going to be touring and shows?

It has to be you're a touring artist. Yeah, yeah. Definitely touring, definitely videos and visualizers and performances and all the things that go into letting people know that the album to whom this may concern is available. I feel like the world needs a project like that right now. I certainly believe so. Me too. You must be very proud of yourself. I feel proud. You should. I feel proud. in real life what are you most proud of

about yourself? These are good questions, Angie Martinez. Well, thank you, Jill Scott. Journalist asked. I think, today I'll just say as of today, I'm most proud that whatever

lemons life gave me I have managed to enjoy a lemonade smoothie with a sourdough toasted bread, Gouda cheese, Wagyu burger with pomfries in the south of Spain, that I have managed to make whatever has come my way so beautiful to me that I wouldn't change it. Whatever. I'm very proud of that. I thought you were just going to say lemonade. Oh, it's a whole meal.

She said a little smoothie. And you know I love the food's references because I do. Food is delicious. I do love the Palabras. You're going to give, one thing about you, you're going to give us some poulavas now. I will do my best to give you some psalabas. Oh, the vocabulary in this album is amazing. I already know.

What's your favorite word you're using the album? Oh, gosh. Too hard? Mm. I did so many. Somebody helped me. Like, favorite word in the album. What, Shana?

You look like you were going to say something. I, I feel like it's going to be like a sexual. reference or a or like a I don't know some it could be a sexual or some kind of roar some kind of roar like I'm telling you I'm more than one a one trick I know you know I was just because the conversation I just happen to love my sexuality I happen to love great sex for people I believe you should have it you want great sex for everyone I really do because it it fortifies you it it smooths out it gives you another level of strength it helps you your sleep. It's good for the people. It's good. And you deserve it. Wrote a song about that too.

I did. I bet you did. I did. Yes, I did. A vocabulary word. If you don't have it, it's okay. I mean, there's so many. There's so many. Just give us one. It doesn't have to be your favorite. A word that stands out, the first one that comes. I mean, honestly, there's so many. And I mean, honestly, there's so many. I've been listening so much. I have to literally go down each song to find out the one or the two or the five. What is in real life, what is one thing you are no longer apologizing for? Myself. Did you ever?

Oh, I felt like I needed to. I mean, people, ooh, I felt like I needed to. I refuse. I'm not doing that anymore. What am I doing that for? You know, even internally, I didn't, I don't think I necessarily did it publicly, but even internally, like, fuck that shit. I am all of this woman. I am every bit of it. I am a mother. I am a daughter. I am vulnerable. I am, I am aggressive. I am submissive. I am a learner. I am dumb. I am figuring it out as I go. I'm enjoying my ride.

I say wee, often. I sleep when I can. You know, I put my feet in grass. Like, I hang with really amazing people that love me for real, for real. I pay my bills. I go on dope vacations. I do a lot of dope shit on a regular because I think that's what's supposed to happen. And I enjoy it.

I am a woman enjoying my life. And I don't know what else to tell you. Jill Scott has figured out real life, ladies and gentlemen. Jill Scott in real life. Doing the best I can, baby, doing the best I can. She has figured it the fuck out. Here's to figuring it the fuck out. Here's to figuring the fuck out.

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