Joe and Jada - Angie Martinez IRL - Lizzo: Hard Times Don't Have To Make You A Hard Person

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

Grammy award-winning singer, songwriter, and actress Lizzo joins Angie Martinez to discuss spirituality, optimism, and finding your whimsy in life. Lizzo tells Angie what lessons her new children’s book “Lil Lizzo Meets Sasha B. Flootin’” gives kids on inner child celebration. Next, Lizzo opens up on her relationship with religion and therapy. Later, Lizzo and Angie discuss how to balance optimism and realism in life. Finally, Lizzo answers a fan’s voice memo and some “In Real Life” questions.Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuiltanetwork/ytb/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So this is a chapter of your life. The book is not over. And only God has the final say. So if you're still here, that means you're supposed to be here. Hey, guys, thanks for watching. This episode is brought to you by Boost Mobile. Today's guest is a bona fide superstar.

She's a world-class flutist. It's my first flutist on the podcast. And she is a certified hip maker from Truth Hurts to Good As Hell to Juice. She's got four Grammys and an Emmy. She is an actress, television star. And you're the only person that could put out an album called Bitch and then follow it up with a children's book? Oh, my goodness. Huh?

Well, there's a female dog in the book. Well, look at that. You're putting it all together. You know we're so crazy. Everyone always forgets the Emmy. They always say, I said Emmy. No, you don't. Everyone always goes four-time Grammy.

I'm like, what's the Emmy? Emmet's nice. It's not that, and you have both. Yeah. Do you have aspirations for all of them? I have the talent to have the aspirations for all of them. But I'm not. That means you have the aspirations for all of them.

I'm not trying for it. How about that? I feel like everything that's meant for me comes to me. Do you really? I absolutely do. Even the shitty things. I believe. I don't believe that too. I operate under that. But sometimes it's still, and we have vision of things for ourselves. So when vision is, when you want to go over here to the right and it goes to the left or whatever, sometimes it's fucking frustrating. It is. But you know what I've learned how to do? I've learned how to kill my expectations. How do you do this? You're just with nothingness. You know, you walk in with gratitude. I'm grateful that I'm coming into this interview. I don't know how this interview.

going to go. It's going to be great. I don't know. Right. But I'm also in my mind like, I'm good today. I'm going to make Angie cry and it's going to go viral. And it's, no, like that's not, you know what I mean? Like, don't. I thought that that was your goal today. It's not. But I was just making that up. But no, I'm walking in like, I'm just going to have a good ass time and see what comes from it. And be present. Yeah. But I've never made anyone crying a podcast, by the way. So if you did, you'd be the first. That would be like a challenge. What if it happens? What would it take? Do you cry? You don't seem like you cry. You know what?

I do cry. I cry. You know what makes me cry? What? Truth. Ooh. Like real deep truth. Like if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm learning something in real time and it's very truthful.

Yeah. And I've never said it or, or really processed it. Like truth for the first time will make me get choked up in water. When was I said me cry? Oh, God. Oh, wow. You have to think about it. Yesterday for me.

Yesterday? Yesterday. Literally yesterday. Isn't that crazy? No, it's not crazy at all. I could have cried yesterday. I might have cried this morning. I don't know.

You could have. You don't remember when you have salty discharge coming from your eyeball. Why were you crying? Is it going to ask? Yeah, I went to a public school in Brooklyn, and I read my book for 500 students, and I bawled. That would make me cry. That would make me cry? No, it got me.

Well, what were the tears? Was it gratitude? Was it just, like, overwhelming? Yeah, I was overwhelmed with how cute. They were, but also they were just so special to me and so precious. I was like, oh, my God, a child is so precious. There was a little girl who looked like me and she hugged me and I hugged her back. And I was like, I love you.

And she went to her seat and I just saw her doing like, bawling into her hands. And then I started crying. And I went to her, I was like, what's wrong? Why are you crying? She's just so happy. I'm like, well, let's be happy. Let's not cry. You know, but she was just so sweet.

I was just overwhelmed with their purity. They're so pure and deserve. to be protected. Especially when there's such garbage in the world. Yes, that's what I mean. Like, we ought to protect them. My God. I need protection.

And I'm at my big age. You know, imagine how hard it is for the little ones. Yeah. What do you do for that? Like, how do you protect yourself? Oh, my God. That's a great question. Yeah.

Because, you know, I've been learning through therapy. Okay. That I have been leading with my inner child, my whole career, an adult life. And she's been the one, Lilzzo, from this book, It's like, come on, let's go. Let's have fun.

Is everybody happy? Everybody wins. Is everybody okay? This looks fun. And I wasn't protecting her while I was allowing her to lead. And, you know, she got taken advantage of. And now I'm doing these things where I have to stand in front of baby Melissa. Lizzo has to stand in front of baby Melissa with one of them shield, Wakanda shields and swords.

be like, no, don't mess with her. And I'll be like, okay, baby Melissa, do what you want to do, play with the toys, don't mess with her. Well, I love that she's not ruined. No, she's still there. You know what I mean? Because sometimes heartbreak or disappointment, you know, it almost could ruin that little kind of innocence,

bright eye, bushy-tailed kind of vibes. Yeah. I don't know, does that make you sad a little bit, that you can't be that free? It comes with what everything I've said. I mean, I could be Andre 3000 and go off and just play flute in the wilderness. And that would be fabulous, actually. That's freedom to me if you're an artist.

And I'll get there one day. But right now, what I'm choosing to navigate, the path I'm choosing to navigate, is very treacherous and not as free. So I do have to be very careful. I'm a really trusting person. Still? And gullible. No.

No. No. Oh, yes. I still get God. I'd be like, wait, what? Really? I didn't even know. I'm still getting a wool pulled from my eyes about things and situations and relationships.

And I'm like, how is this still happening to me? That's so weird. That's so interesting to me because you do seem bright-eyed and like, you do have that youthfulness about you. But you're not naive all the way. I'm very smart. You're really smart. So it surprises me that you could be.

I don't know, just surprised that much by either people's behavior or how something is, whatever. Yeah. Whatever disappointed you that you would be that surprised. It's called the assumption of good. I think that, yes, I am a very, like, intelligent person and an analytical person, but I also have the assumption of good in all people. And I think that's why I wrote my children's book is to kind of cultivate that. in others and protect that in others. And I believe everyone is a good person

and I think it starts in childhood. You know, the person that you're gonna grow up and become starts there. And if you don't have creative outlets, if you don't have your imagination, then, you know, you might be one of those people that end up hurting people. And I want less of those kinds of people in the world. Yeah, we all do, right?

Yeah. Because they suck. They suck. That should be your next book. They suck. Some of you people really suck. Some of you people really suck. suck. I said sucky people make

sucky people. Sucky people have sucky kids. So that's all be good people. Is that your next children's book? We'll see, honey. Don't be a sucky kid. Right. You're a good kid. Be cool. Play the flute. What is the number, what is the lesson to kids

though? Like, what is the the is true. And I think that that is like one of, you see that music is magic when friendship is true. Music is magic when friendship is true. Your song is your own. That's what makes you, you. And I feel like that's beyond playing the flute.

That's beyond what we know music is. That's imagination. And that's the message I want every young person to take home or every person. Like when I sign books, because I've been signing books for so many people, I say, music is magic and so are you, you know, because I want to keep their imaginations alive. I want them to build confidence in themselves at a young age because we're born so confident and we're born so loving and this world tries to strip it away from you every single day, whether it's from school, whether it's from watching TV, looking at the internet, comment sections,

whatever. It tries to tell you you're not good enough or why you're not, why something's wrong. with you. And it strips your confidence away. And I wanted to put something out in the world that build confidence, you know, and like, your song is your own. Whether it's a good song, whether it's a song that don't sound so good, whether you know, whether you could play the flute or you sing or guitar or you don't play anything at all. What's your song? You know, what makes you you you? That's so good. I almost feel like you did this for them, but also feel like you probably needed this energy in your life in this moment. Perfect time. Right. Like you probably needed.

this energy in your life of like, I don't know, I think creatively things come out that you need. If you're being true to your art or whatever serves your great. You know what's so funny? I've been doing, I'm always intuitively led when I create and it's really funny that I made an album called bitch.

Not only for the obvious reasons, 100% that bitch is like, you know, everybody knows me is that, that's my brand. Yeah. But this, the way I the connotation of this bitch had a little bit of more edge and a lot of the music had a little bit more texture and a little bit more darkness to it than I normally do. And I do feel like that was me kind of expressing my shadow self. I don't know if you heard of like shadow work. Of course. But dealing with the size of yourself that aren't seen, you know, that you might not love the most that that you need to work out and work through and confront. And I think that this album bitch was, me working on my shadow self and doing all of that work, that real necessary work. And now this is like inner child celebration. And I've been working on this book for years. So I didn't plan

for when it, for this timing. God did. God did. So when it came out, it was like the perfect time. The perfect thing to offset. Offset. Sorry, I have a problem. Who are? Do you, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with me. What is it? What is it? I'm so sorry. I have these stems that I have to say. And they just so happen to be back to back. I'm so sorry. But you did that?

Okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. I promise. I'm not crazy. I'm okay. I like it. I want to do one.

I just have one. I want to do one. I know you got one. I know you got one. Okay. I don't know. It's all I had. It wasn't really good.

Okay. It was okay. It wasn't great. It has to be kind of relevant. I also wasn't committed. I wasn't. You got to commit. It was just kind of like the only thing that can.

It feels good to just utter utterance. Just utter something. Explain. I'm going to try. I don't want to do it now on the spot. But if in the interview later. Come on. You got the siren in the background.

Come on. It's whimsical. Come on. I need a little whimsy in my life. You need a lot of whimsy. I do. Yeah. Are you like, is that analyzing or you think we all need a lot of whimsy?

You work really fucking hard. You came from a podcast and an interview and a TV show and a movie. and a radio. Today. Today. So I'm like, where's your whimsy? I know.

Is that what you're here to give me today that message? I feel like that's message. You know what? I did it. I love it. I loved it. Let's want to make me do it as fire. This is all headed because every day something happens that shifts the conversation. A headline changes, new technology takes off.

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Are you a woo-woo girl? Yes, what do you Of course I am I'm woo-woo but not in a traditional sense So how woo-woo do you woo? I woo wherever I stop wooing wherever the truth

stops. Ooh. Because sometimes Wu could be performative. Woo. And sometimes Wu could be like it's not one size for its all, right? So sometimes a book on Woo-Woo is just not what I need. My spirit needs right now. So that's kind of where I stop.

But I'm open to it and I receive it when it's for me. Wow. Is that a long answer? That's a good fucking answer. Yeah. Sometimes Woo-W is performative. It is. I don't want to perform woo.

You know, I just want to be woo. Woo. Woo. That was deep. That was deep, friend. It was a Wu-Tang. I just did the Wu-Tang for motherfucking ever, bitch. You see what I'm saying?

Ah! Okay, sorry. We are the Wu-Tang, Glenn. We are the Wu. Are there sketch shows? Well, me, besides S&L, we need a sketch show because the Wu-Tang click, but it's like a bunch of woo girls, just like sipping tea with their hair, like, wrap, in the, that's fine, listening to Erica Badu?

Yes. Wait, okay, stop. Let's stop. We're going down the road. But wait, take me back for one second. The wooing you. You're really woo, right? Yeah.

I mean, I grew up in the church of God Christ. Yes. So when you grow up in a Codic church, you have a direct line to spirit. Like, when you catch the spirit and you catch the Holy Ghost, I'm like, hello, Jesus. Like that, you know. All day. So I have, I grew up seeing spirit synonymous with life, just life on earth. Like music is spiritual.

Eating food is spiritual. Like eating food on Sunday with my family, eating food on Thanksgiving with my entire family, eating food after church. That's spiritual. Everything is spiritual to me. Sitting down in a pew. You know, banging on something, dancing, shaking, shimmying, hollering, hollering, hooting, hooting. Hootin.

holler it. Sorry, I had to run it back. So yeah, I feel like I came into this world equipped to be woo and I feel like the things that have come to me I've been open to. So like I manifest. I've seen manifestation happen in real time like that. And I'm like, oh wow, okay, let me calm down. Let me watch my mouth. Let me watch my five foot two mouth because anything you say could happen. for better or for worse. You know, little things like that. And I pray every single day, you know. And I light my incense when I pray. And I listen to my gospel musical, you know, on Sunday. Pray Hammond. Okay, Fred Hammond.

Pray Hammond. Kirk Franklin. I was listening this past week. Oh, my God. You know what I... You know Kurt Franklin? Girl, please. I caught...

You said to when I... I caught a tear this past Sunday. Oh. listening to my, I have a church, a church playlist on Sundays. And, oh my God, what is the song? Storm is over? Nope. Melodies from heaven.

Oh, I love melodies. I love melodies from heaven. No, it's, um, Life is in your head. Take me to the king. Ooh, Jesus. Why did I, why did I just surrender right now? Do you feel that, right?

So take me to you. The king, the king. The king. Yes. I don't have much to bring. Ooh. Come on. I'm just saying, I was singing it in the car, like singing.

I was just kind of singing along with it. I love this one. You know, I'm in my playlist. I'm in vibing. I'm in the car. And I caught like a thing that made me get teary. You know, what though? Get teary right now just telling it.

Yeah, that song. A good church songs will get me. That's a good one. We sing that during worship. But also, that is a song saying at Homecomings. You know. know, homegoings, I should say. Like, at funerals and stuff.

Of course. Like that one, so that one has a lot of weight to it. And it can take you, you know, with that song, you can transcend. Yes. That's probably what happened. I don't know what happened. You said, take me a little, like. Take the wheel, Chase us.

Don't take it to the king just yet, God. We have things to do. No. Take me to the king so I can sing my song is really old. It's not, you know. Don't take me up top just yet. Not yonder, Lord. How did we get to that?

I don't know. How did we get to God? We're crazy. Gospel music. By the way, all of that. Stand. Woo-woo. Oh, woo-woo.

So your woo-woo is you connected to God. Yes. See, not everybody does that. Yeah. So that's where sometimes the line of woo gets. Oh, the universe. I'm like, okay. Who made the universe?

Answer quickly. Quickly now. Who made science? Exactly. So yeah, no, I'm I believe in God. I love God. Me too, real big. So if you ask me that in that context,

then yes, I'm very woo-woo. Yay. In that way. It's just that, you know, there's like woo-woo's like a wave now. Oh, baby, let me tell you. And it goes. That wave goes to different parts of the ocean. So I'll be like, no, y'all can go over there.

Tom Hanks and Wilson. Y'all can be right over there, that part of the ocean. I'm going to be over here. In this part of the ocean. Yeah. I'm being in the Caribbean. But you've done work. work that's like woo-will work, right?

Like shadow work and inner child. You had that same therapist that I read that or hear that, that you've had the same, you've had the same therapist for, I don't know, I've had decades. Woo, not there yet. But before you like. Yeah, before fame. Before fame.

Yeah. I've had her since maybe 2017 or so. Best lesson she taught you. Woo. Woo. Okay. the first best, because she's taught me a lot, we love her, Dr. Chante De Loach,

the first best was, I remember in 2019, my song had gone number one, and I was in hustlers with J-Lo. That was a big year. Big fucking year. Big fucking movie. Yeah. Big movie, Meggala and all that stuff.

It was a lot going on. Yeah, I went with Mark Jacobs. And I was like, yay, this is a movie. This is fun. And I remember I was on tour and I wanted to go see my movie in the theaters. And they were like, okay, well, you can rent out the whole theater. I remember I was like, well, I'm a baller. I'm going to run out this whole theater and just have everyone from my tour be able to come and watch this movie.

So we were doing that. And when I left, I remember there were people outside waiting for me. And that had never happened to me before. I was like, first of all, how did you know I was here? And what do y'all want? I was so confused. I was like, do y'all? you just want to see me?

Like, what's happening? And I remember I got in a car and I was like, that was strange. And then from then on, I wasn't able to move the same way I used to move. Like, we would go to different cities and I'd be like, ooh, y'all want to go eat here? And we would just leave the hotel and go eat there. Not anymore. It was like all of these things. Small changes.

Yeah, it was like, okay, well, now I have to call this person and call that person and arrange for this. And they'd be like, y'all just go ahead without me. I'm going to make y'all late. And I started to feel like a burden in people's lives. I started to feel like my fame was burdening the people around me. And I became very depressed about that. I was really sad. And I remember talking about my therapist and crying about being famous.

It was so stupid. But I was like, oh, my friends, I'm a burden to everyone around me. And she said, hold on. She was like, you need, she's like, listen, get real with yourself. There's a part of you that just doesn't exist anymore. That part of you that can go to restaurants, just willy-nilly and move around without security and without coordination is gone. Like that freedom, you have to mourn. And I was like, what you mean mourn? Like, it's dead. And I hated that thought. It made me

very uncomfortable. But I mourned it. I mourned that part of me. And once I was able to do that, now I'm like, yay, I appreciate it. I'm like, this is great. I'll meet y'all later. Y'all go to this restaurant. Y'all do that? Because it's gone now. I've laid it to rest. It's not there nagging the shoulda woulda kudas. And I thought that that was like such a huge lesson for me. And I thought that would be the only thing I had to mourn. And then you keep learning these lessons in this business. And you're like, wow, there's more of me.

I have to mourn. The loss of my freedom as a regular person was difficult for me to mourn. And then it was like the loss of the autonomy of my identity in the public eye. That was her next lesson to me. And she taught me that maybe three years ago. She was like, yeah, you don't have control of that anymore. Put her to rest. Take me to the king.

Baby, I had a home going and get everything. I said, RIP's to the Lizzo I used to know, honey. She's gone. Wow. It's fine. It's out of my control. Wow. So she's good, your therapist.

Yo, you know why she good? Because I talk a lot. And I need people to know that therapy, especially black people, because we have stigmatized therapy in a way where it's like, you know, I don't need that. Why would I tell somebody my business? But I'm like, find someone, they don't have to be a licensed therapist, whatever.

Find someone that you can talk to enough that you can work your shit out with them. And they're passive enough, but they're listening enough and they're intelligent enough to allow you to work your problems out. It's really hard to find people like that that are not a therapist

because you also don't want to wear out people you love. Yes, that's true. If you're going through shit. I mean, I'm not saying you can't rely and lean on friends and family, but like sometimes if you really got to sort through some deep, dark shit, you may need somebody to help who's like, it's their job. Absolutely. But I always say that because I know it's expensive.

Yeah. I know that getting therapy is expensive and all of that. And some people, they need insurance and things like that. But I will agree with you the instinct for anyone who loves me when I tell them, hey, you know, I was pretty sad about this. is, no, what? And I'm like, oh, now, now you upset. Like, you know, I got to worry about how you, yeah.

Now you said, I would tell people I was sad, they would start crying. And I'm like, this is crazy. Like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sad. So, yeah, that's why I had to find a therapist. But you're absolutely right. It's hard to just put that on people. When did you, when did you find one?

It was like 2017. I was having what I know now to be an anxiety attack. which not to be confused with a panic attack, which I hadn't had until years later. It was just an anxiety, not just, God forbid. It was awful. But it kept me from going on stage, which was the one thing that always saved me.

What does that feel like? Because we hear that term a lot. I believe I had one before, but when it happened, even me, just being around people talking people, I wasn't sure because the words sometimes don't match what that actually feels like. You're talking about anxiety versus panic?

Like an anxiety attack. I would love to answer this question. know these things very well. Anxiety attack starts with a thought a lot of the times. It's a thought pattern that spirals you into a kind of physical response. So sometimes one of my worst anxiety attacks I had was I was really nervous about going to this event. It was like this MTV thing and there was someone there that I was just like really

nervous about being around and confronting. And that spiraled into, I don't know. know what to wear. I don't know what I didn't realize it, but I had walked in and out of my closet maybe well over 50 times and tried on something and threw it on the bed, tried on something through it in bed and I was on autopilot. I didn't realize it. And I looked and I had this huge pile of clothes on my bed and I was like anxious. Like I could feel the tingles in my body and I was like, what is happening to me? I can't breathe. This is so weird. And then I like, you breathe and then you calm your thoughts down. You calm the thought spiral and the anxiety attack can be

quickly resolved. Panic attacks are way different. Panic attacks can come out of nowhere. Panic attacks are the physical response. Your body thinks you're in danger before your mind even knows what's going on. And for me, I had dealt with so much trauma. I started having panic attacks back in 2023

after I had that really horrible lawsuit come out about me and everybody believed things about me that weren't true. I started developing panic attacks. And I remember one day I was just driving on a freeway and I was looking at the sunset and I was like, wow, the sunset is so beautiful. And then I could feel like

something coming from the base of my spine like chills or something. And it spread to my hands and I'm on the freeway and my hands started tingling and I couldn't feel them anymore. And I was like, what is happening to me? And I remember like my hands felt so heavy because I didn't have the sensation in them that I couldn't really hold the steering wheel. And I was like, this is an anxiety attack. So I called my brother and he's trying to calm me down

while I'm on the freeway. And I kind of, I swerve in between lanes and I'm in between an 18-wheeler and another truck and my car's in between the lane. And I'm like, this is it. I was like, I don't know what's happening to my body. I've lost control of my body. I didn't have a thought that got me there. It just took over my body. And I somehow veered off at a freeway. Even my brother coming me down, couldn't call my mind down. So I call my doctor and she's like, oh, this is panic. You're having a full on panic attack. So that's the difference between an anxiety attack and a panic attack.

Like, they're both extremely serious. But luckily with like good breathing techniques, you can kind of quail an anxiety attack on your own. Panic, you need to call somebody. You need help. Yeah. Wow. I was at a gas station. I couldn't use my legs.

Wow. Yeah, I literally had to have somebody come to the gas station and help me out of the car and drive me. And then what kind of work do you do to help yourself from ever having that happen to you again? And what is that? Is that it, you say it's not a thought, but is it an accumulation? Like you had just been through that stuff? Yeah, it's trauma. It's trauma trapped in the base of your spine. And that trauma can be triggered by anything.

Because it's down here, it don't need a thought to be triggered. It's just a sensation, a feeling, a familiar thing. And we're not okay. And it will respond and we're, releasing chemicals through your body. You're getting adrenaline shooting through your body for no reason. Because that adrenaline is like your body's way of saying, help, run fast.

Get us up out of here. Like, you're in danger. And I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm cool. But your body's like, no, we're not. But I had so much trauma that I just push down, push down, push down, that my body was just kind of acting out. Out of control.

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because you're not naive, you're smart, but almost being, I don't know, just, like, pure. Like you're, you're, were running through life trying to be this way. And then the lawsuit and people thinking things of you that you weren't, I don't know, it's almost like the rose-colored glasses go away a little bit. I'm just wondering if that was the accumulation of you, like almost losing that kind of innocence of like how you were being perceived. And I wonder, I don't know, or why that moment was so heavy. Why? Because, you know, listen, you're a public eye. We'll, we get a cute.

the things people say shit about you that's false every single bit. I just, in that moment, why was it so heavy on you? I guess is what I'm asking. What do you think? I mean, I think you got to that's a question for the world. Like, it was

it was very intense. I feel like, you know, I feel like I've had some things in the past. So it wasn't even about the lawsuit, it was how it was being received by everyone. I mean, you are a successful person. Like, you know what I mean? Once you become successful, that's kind of what comes, that's a part of being rich.

That's why I wonder why it cuts so deep. Yeah, but I, but this was just a very public attack on like the fiber of my being. Everything that I represent in AM, you know, what I fight for. And I think that I couldn't believe that people would believe I was what those people were saying about me. That was, it was really strange. It was really strange. I was like, wait, well, what would lead anyone to believe those people? Yeah.

You know, it was such the opposite of who I am. And I think that more so than like rose-colored glasses because I like going to the beach and like, you know, chilling. You still like a rose-colored glass? I got my little glasses on. It's St. Laurent. But I'll be like, wow, the world is so beautiful. Like, I think that we live in such a beautiful world. And I think people are so beautiful.

Like, I love looking into people's eyes that I see on the street and just being like, how are you doing? You know, and then looking at their dogs and be like, oh, cute dog. Like, I still have my rose-colored glasses on, but I just think that I can separate the industry. And, you know, this, in social media, I can separate all of that from humanity. Yeah. Humanity and reality. I get that. And I know the difference.

And now I look over there and I'm like, whoof, you can't be trusted. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You can switch up any day. Do you believe that all of our challenges are like that you, that you're, you know, You're supposed to go through something? Like, I don't know. I just wonder what you learned from that or if.

Because any time something's bad habits, I wait for the, I wait for the lesson. I'm like, okay, clearly this is happening to me for some reason. I'm going to wait patiently for the lesson. And it always shows up. Yeah. I wonder for you if any of that landed for you in some way that changed you or shifted you in a positive way. I mean, I think bad things happen to, I mean, who's had just a life with,

No incident, no heartbreak, you know, no trials. We just had Yaya, you know him, Yaya, the actor, Abdul, Monti. Yeah, we had Yaya on. He was saying, trouble's coming for everybody. Oh. There's goodness coming, too. Oh. But like, both are coming.

Mm-hmm. And it's just. That's life. It really is. It's just life. I feel like life, for me, it feels like, when you're in the ocean and there's just waves that come by

and there's waves that come by and then sometimes the ocean is very still and very peaceful and then a wave comes by and sometimes there's a storm and then when the storm passes you like who the hell was terrible but then you appreciate when it's still

and beautiful and calm again and I think that that's just how we all have to continue to ride the wave of life we're all riding the wave of life I think it's a beautiful thing when you can zoom out and look at it like that. But it's awful when you're zoomed in.

You're like, oh, get you off this damn thing. Or when you're in it. Like in the middle of the storm. In the middle of a storm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes you hit that, like you said, you wait for your lesson. You're in the quiet of the storm. And I'm in Houston.

So I'm from Houston. We got the hurricanes. There's an eye of a hurricane. And it's like destruction all around for miles. And then in the middle. there's this calm. And I remember I've been in a hurricane and in that calm and it's eerie, but you're just like, race yourself, you know? I know what's coming. I've been through this and I can survive it. And I think that that mentality I take with me everywhere I go. I've been

through really traumatic things, you know, like I always talk about how I've had to, I lived out of my car for a year and I lost my dad during that time at a young age, unexpected. effectively, I have nowhere to live, no job, eating food from my friends' houses, when they would let me sleeping on the floors of my friends right next to their bed because they had a little room, his bed here, I'm sleeping on the floor. You know, I've been through so much that I know that God is going to continue to bless me. You know, it's not like my life was like sunshine, rainbows, and now I don't know what to do with myself. I'm like, no, I'm a fighter. I'm a very strong person. And I make myself better every single time. I don't allow it to make me worse. I don't

allow hard things to make me a vindictive person or a shitty person. Like, I'm not going to allow them to win. I liked your quote that you said that you prayed for the truth in your post. Is that something you normally pray for or is that just connected to how people perceive you? You know what I mean? Yes. But truth comes out in many, many, many different ways, you know? And I would say that like the truth always comes out in time, no matter what. No matter what the situation is.

And time, people always look back and be like, oh, wait a minute, maybe we were a little hard on so-and-so. Maybe we shouldn't have been, you know, everyone always looks back and truth is in hindsight. And I think for me, I just had to be patient. Because like, what's the point of fighting and flailing and complaining and screaming and making things worse? Just let things work itself out. It's above me, you know? I see you on the other side of this. I see y'all on the other side.

Y'all, y'all will see. Let me shut up. You know, me and my truth, we sit in silence. I love that. You know what I would like to ask you? Because in times like that or whatever, you still have a bright, I don't know, just idea of the world. You know, you're still looking for the good. Yes.

I wonder what is the thing. And then you have a relationship with God and you grew up in a church. I'm not even looking for the good. I see it. You see it. Despite it all, I see the good. I wonder what, because you're also been honest about the dark times. And, you know, I've read and heard you talk about that summer after losing your dad.

Yeah. So when you're in those low parts, like what, because I know there's somebody. My God. If you're in that storm right now and you're in the low part. like what do you say to her or him like what gets you up what get you out I feel like people always want to give advice from the other side of it and that's as someone who's been in it we're not listening to that shit it's like I want to call someone to be miserable with me like relate don't give me don't give me

no tips because it feels inescapable and as someone who's been there and you know it's never over like you think it's over and then it's like damn back in the trenches you know like how did this happen

and it can happen for many reasons I yeah from midlife I was driving on the freeway I was looking at the sunset boom panic attack so I always say this is going to be this is slight

maybe that's too dark now I have to know it's a little dark but I'm like life is it honest it's real yeah life will have the final say you know life is going to take you out

when you're supposed to be taking out until then you're meant to be here so figure out why figure it out and sometimes you're not going to going to figure it out. You're going to look up and it's going to be figured out for you. And you're going to be like, oh, that was why. There's some people who have to go through this depression or go through dark times so that they can help others with it. And their life

is going to be helpful to someone, just living. And I think you have to have that kind of perspective of yourself. Not everybody going to come through day depression and write a hit album about how to get out of depression. I didn't even do it shit. No shame. But, you know, I'm still here. And I think about my life in, like, movements. And I think about this era of my particular life. And I'm like, I needed to do this. You know, I needed to get this off my chest.

I needed to get this out. I want to live my life and look back and have no regrets. I'd rather have flops than regrets. You know, I'd rather have misses than look back and be like, damn, I should have did that. Ooh, I'd hate to do that. So this is a chapter of your life. The book is not over, and only God has the final say.

So if you're still here, that means you're supposed to be here. Sometimes just that little bit of faith, man, just a little bit. A mustard seed. I'm like mustard seed. We'll get you there. Oh, man, I don't know what I do with my mustard seed. The Brat's wife, Judy, she gave me, they came here and she carries them in little their little baby vials, and each one is a mustard seed in it.

And she goes around and she gives you a mustard seed. You know, it's so powerful because it's like, even when you don't got it, this is as much as you need. Mm-hmm. That's all. This much has gotten me through to sitting here with you. Mm-hmm. Just this much. So even as much as you can muster.

Yeah. You know? So, yeah, that's a really powerful reminder. Are you proud of yourself, Lizzo? Oh, my God, overly. Really? Overly proud. What do you most proud of?

I have so many things I'm proud of damn but I think about this a lot you know because I'd be like good job Lizzo you do yeah say that to yourself

yes out loud absolutely if I'm going to go all set I'm going to also thank myself and pat myself on the back I'll say for in the context of this conversation the thing I'm most proud of

is I imagined something and I made it my reality you know I dream this life and I made it so. This was not handed to me. This was not in the cards even. Nobody realizes how different our culture was in 2016, 17. Fat black girls were not pop stars.

Never were. The closest thing we had was our girl, Missy. Oh, yeah. She wasn't even big. You see Missy, she little. You know, so for me to have this reality meant that There was no blueprint laid out for me. There was no road paved for me.

I did this all with the power of my imagination. But I have to bring it back. This is not PR to my book. Lil Lizzo Me, Sasha B. Fluton. There's a war on imagination, I feel like. And when they're killing creativity, it's like they're making these things that create for you. I know.

How can we create if we're prompting everything and everything's creating for us? Our creativity, our imagination is the most powerful tool we have. How do we protect it? Read, make stuff, make music, read about a little girl who made music and goes on an adventure and then make your own adventure. Yeah. And make time for it too, right? Kids got out of time in the world.

Yeah, yeah. Kids do, but I'm talking about us as adults. Like, how do we protect our own imaginations and our own art and creativity and things like that? Because the world doesn't, like you say, doesn't. The algorithm's not really feeding you creative juices. I don't know how to say, because everybody's situation different is hard to get off the phone. It is hard to get off the phones. But I'll say this.

It's hard to say it in my position, too, because right now the state of our economy is so bad that some people are, I need to work. I need to, you know, but I would say this is your human life. This is, as far as we know, your only human life. So have your non-negotiables. I was talking to somebody actually like a week or so ago, and they were like, I just feel so far from creating these days. I have this job and it's taking all of me. You know, I'm working for like three people for one job. I'm doing three people's job.

And I was like, man, find that one time where you doing something else, you know, where it's not work, but you find yourself doing something else to soothe. It's like, oh, sometimes maybe I'll play a game or maybe I'll watch something and use that time to create. Use that time to cultivate your imagination because I found that I thought I was always busy and I thought I was swamped and I thought I didn't have time. But once I actually pull back from the things that I was like taking in, I'm like, oh, I'm sitting and looking at TikTok, I actually could be creating, you know? And when I was like, I don't have the time. Yes, you do. You're sitting there looking at TikTok girl, go play the flute. You know what I'm saying?

Don't do something. Go write something down. Damn, I don't know. Go outside and look at a cloud and be like, what does that look like? You know, meditate or something. You know, that's me talking to me, not talking to anyone else. That's my life.

I love how much you talk to yourself. I'm probably crazy. But you know what? Name one genius that ain't crazy. But they, they, you, I think talking to yourself, but I'm a self-love. I'm the self-love girl, though. It started talking in the mirror.

In the mirror, I don't think I really talk to myself enough. I do say, I do say God loves me all the time out loud. Like if something happens today or if I'm like, oh, God, how is this going to work? And then all of a sudden it works. I'll be like, oh, God loves me so much. And I will say that out loud. Yeah, I love that. But like good job, girl.

I don't know that it's ever come out of my mouth. I know. It's bad. I'm going to do it in honor of you in our conversation today. I'm going to try to do that this week. In the mirror. In the mirror. Confront yourself in the mirror.

I feel like a lot of people don't look. I look at myself so much I didn't realize how much people don't look at themselves. I look at my entire naked body every single day. Really? Yeah. What do you say? I was so stressed that I gave myself shingles, but I knew when I had a single shingle, a single shingle on my back, I said, what's that?

And my doctor came and was like, take this immediately, like, bitch, you got shingles. But that's because I know her shingles is terrible, by the way. And it never happened to me because I saw one on my ass. And you clip my ass. I said, wait, does I have a mole on my ass? But then I seen another mole next to it And I said She knew

One of these things And not like the other So then she sang a song about it She sang a song about the shingles Shingles no more honey They even get a fucking chance They even stand a fucking chance All right so you're in the mirror

You look at yourself Every single day And I'm like wow I look good But it started off with me congratulating myself in advance You gotta congratulate yourself in that vans You got to be like, wow, I'm so proud of you.

You did it. You look amazing. You look amazing, girl. Like, I love this. I love how this looks. I love how your ass looks. I love how your stomach looks like, oh, thank you stomach. Digesting the food, snatching me up, making me look good, keeping me warm.

Like, you can look online. I have videos from back in 2020 and me talking to my stomach, you know? And I would always be like, congratulations, you did it. You did it. And I can go more into deaf off camera about the things that I did. Like, outside of, you know what I'm. trying to say. Yes, no, I understand. Like, you did this, you did that. You did it, girl. I don't want to tell my business, but it's like, and then I look up and be like, wow, I did it. Like a year later,

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This is our voice note segments. brought to us by Boost Mobile. Thank you, Boos Mobile. Thank you. And, yeah, so somebody has a question, comment for Lizzo. Let's have it. Hi, Lizzo. Okay, I have to know what do you do to train to be on stage.

You know how they used to say that Destiny Child and Beyonce, Matthew Knowles, would have them singing and running on the treadmill. What do you do to prepare? Because you're playing the flute, singing, dancing, rapping. Changing outfits, how do you prepare to be on stage? That is a real question because I've seen you too, and I'd be tired. You know what's so crazy? Like, when people used to say, well, I'm just tired looking at you back in a day in my bigger body, who I love so much, thank you, girl.

People used to be like, that's so backhanded. But I'm like, I don't take it as backhanded because I'm actually doing some like Olympian-level shit. Like, it don't matter what size my body was I was doing, or is, I was doing 90-minute arena shows in a sparkly cat suit, rapping, seamlessly rapping into singing, into playing the flute, into doing full-out choreography, twerking, emoting to an audience, screaming, going off the dome, pontificating, and under bright lights every single night. running back and forth. I have unbridled energy naturally. So, okay. Conformation. Yeah.

So for me, I always took it as a compliment because I'm like, yeah, I know it's true. The funny thing about that Beyonce running on a treadmill thing is when I was younger, oh my God. We grew up with the lure of Destiny's Child in Houston, Texas. So we heard all of the stories. And they'd be like, you know, Matthew Knows used to make them running heels on the track and sing.

So I would be with my friends. And we had like little, you know, rap groups and stuff. And I'd be out there and I'm like, y'all, we got to run and sing. We got to run and sing because we're going to be performing on stage and we need the stamina. And I remember I was trying to sing and run. And my friend was like, stop. Stop singing. Ugh.

Like, it's not going to happen. I remember she said that to me. And I was so sad. But, uh-huh. Uh-huh. He was wrong, uh-huh. But yeah, no, I do. I just was born with a lot of natural energy.

Like, when I'm on tour, I honestly have to do real work to calm the fuck down because I could keep going forever. Wow. Like, after a show, I could play another show. And I used to. I used to have to play another show after the show and after the show and the next show and the next show and the next show and next show. So now I do like Ref work and like okay now I have to actively calm down Because I can just

What is that? Metabolism? What is that? Like what is that? I just be excited about life Like I've really been this one My mom was like you've been this way Since you were a little girl

Like in school I was like an overachiever Like I wanted to do everything All the extracurricor skills I wanted to be in band And theater and all the AP classes And I wanted to be class president And I want you know what I'm saying? I wanted to be a baton girl.

I wanted to be a Revelyer. I wanted to be all. That's a little dance. I wanted to be everything, you know. So I have it in me to kind of run myself raggedy. So you got to be careful about what you choose to do. Amen. That's why you got to get a good team.

What is the next wave of Lizzo? Like, what is the next? I mean, I know we're in book, this book now. But like what? I don't know. If, if like, your life was in chapters. Like, what is the next chapter for you? I definitely feel like this is the first page of a new chapter for me, which is really exciting.

I think this is where I finally get all my fucking ideas out. I have a lot of ideas that I've been trying to execute and get off. And I want to help people in more ways than just writing a song that helps them. I know I can do that and I want to continue to do that. I want to actually get back to doing that if I'm being real. I wrote a bunch of songs on this album that helped me. But that's extremely unrelatable. but I needed to.

And now I'm like, I want to get back to writing music that helps people. I want to start extending myself, you know, because I've been blessed so much. So it's like, how can I help? Especially right now when people need help the most. Yeah. I know you have got like, I don't know, your eye on some type of prize or like, you know, working more. I've been doing these little things like, shout out Kai Sanai because he invited me to Streamer. Oh, I love that. You did Streamer, right?

Yeah. And I taught a self-love class. And that just really like, man, some of those kids never got to tell themselves, I'm proud of you. They got chosen for Streamer U and just went into full work hustle mode and was being so hard on themselves. And they were like, I got to get the right clips. I got to go live. I got to stream. I got to talk to my chat.

And they were coming to my classroom and they'd be like, what did you put in this room? Because now I'm calm. What did you put in this room? Because now I'm crying. What's happening? I can't remember the last time I told. myself, I'm proud of you. And that was really, really eye-opening for me and heart opening. And I was like, I need to do this more. So I did my own self-love class on Twitch. And I want to continue to extend

that energy on Twitch on that platform. Yeah, so I've got some ideas. My goal is to have something once a month that kind of serves that. Yeah, serves that purpose. I love that. Yeah. I want to watch. I will watch that show. Hello? I already learned today. I'm going to talk to myself in the mirror. Yes. What else?

There was something not... Positively to yourself. I'm going to be more whimsical. More whimsical. Shout for no reason. I'm going to just shout out song names. Yes. Song names.

Message and dance and dance and... Be free. Whip your ponytail. I whip my hair back and forth. That's all you hear. You don't got no pieces in there? I definitely got pieces in there. You're crazy.

Damn. Okay. Shit thick. My ponytail would be like this. Right. No, same. Two scoops. Why am I in the bowl for her?

This is your bowl. Oh, damn. We got to do an IRL bowl before you go. Pick a couple questions and then... Wait, I want the good ones, though. Go ahead. I'm not reading it, though. Well, I did it see the word God, so I picked it.

Sorry. Okay. I love God. Is this my favorite question? Wait, how many... How many... How many as you want? Let me see that one.

The God one? Yeah. you want to save it? What if God? We're one of us. This is my favorite question in the whole ball, but I'm going to save it for the very end.

Stop that told me to pick that one. That's the one that I kept going back for, the last one I picked. But I want to hold it till the very end. You do like two or three on your own and then we'll do this one. And then we'll be good. Thank you, Jesus.

Oh, that's a good fucking one. Not a good fucking one. What is it? I'll read it. Read it. What was the? the last internet rabbit hole. Oh, God.

Was that good? Damn. What was it? The last internet rabbit hole. Okay, so y'all, in L.A., there's a place called Universal Studios. And in the fall, they do Halloween horror nights. And Halloween horror nights, they have haunted houses. They turn Universal into a spooky, oaky place.

The haunted houses have been themed every year off for the big horror movies that have come out. They've done us, the Jordan Pill. Last year I did de los Mueros,

which was fucking terrifying because a lot of those stories are fucking nightmare fuel. Yeah. This year they're

doing sinners. Sinners. So they got not one, but two Michael B. Jordan's in that bitch

talking about some welcome to the like, and it's not animatronics. It's real men dressed as

Michael B. Jordan that look like Michael B. Jordan. So I've been just researching, just like who these men are. I've been finding them one by one and just learning more about them. I'm just curious. I'm just a curious kitten or rabbit, I should say. I found one.

And I'm looking for the other one. Okay. Was the first one not, he didn't land? Listen, he landed. I found him. Okay. You know, he landed. But, you know, I'm just like, are you in a relationship?

relationship because if you are, no, you're not anymore. Because you mean to tell me you scaring bitches professionally. Like, as Michael B. Jordan, like, stop. The girls are like, they should be scared of me. That's what the girls are saying when they walk into the haunted house. Oh, they think we should be scared of them? No, baby. You think we're locked in with you. You're locked in with me. So anyway, that was the last internet rabbit. Hold on one, went down because it's fucking

hilarious to me. Did you find the second one? Not yet. I haven't found them. We got a fine. I need my, my IRL, my private page, they found the first one, so they need to send me the next one. Y'all will watch this and y'all let me know. Thank you, IRL. When I walk into a room, I want people to feel a high vibration.

I want people to be like, ooh, what the fuck was that? My Shonda. My God, on today this question, if you were the leader of the world, what was the first thing you would do? Okay, the leader of the world is crazy because I know if I were the leader of America I know what I would do. Answer it how you like. It could be America.

This is, I'm going to get canceled again. Who cares? To be honest with you, I would destroy the Constitution. Who said that? I don't know. It wasn't even you. Who said that? It was not you. But hey, but hey.

But you know that the founding fathers, the founding fathers, or whoever these are, men were. They were in their 30s, right? Yeah. And they said that every 25 or so years, there should be a new constitution. And nobody listened to them. And they were like, no, we're going to keep the same constitution because y'all was on to something. They was, it was, it was written in 1787. No. Why the fuck we still living by 1787 rules of 2026? Please tell me quickly. I have no answer. I don't know. And the amendments don't count. The amendments ain't amendeding. No, start over. We need a new constitution because it's a new

country. It's a new America. Who would write said constitution? Here's the, here's some challenge. Here's a challenge. Who? It's a good a ass question. It's a good a, you know, I try to have a follow-up. Have you looked into Benjamin Franklin's lore? Have you looked into what he was like when he was 35? Thomas Jefferson? So you're saying anyone would be better? Not a serial killer. So anyway, Yeah. Look it up. I didn't say it. They found the bodies in his backyard.

I didn't put them there. So we're going to get a new constitution. So you know what? Yeah, for all the people. Because the preamble is we the people in order to form a more perfect union. And mind you, I'm not going to speak on something I don't know. Establish justice and secure domestic tranquility. You tell me if the domestic is tranquil right now.

now. Where's the tranquility? Hmm. Hello. I'm sending you to Washington. Come on. I'm ready. Do ordain and establish this constitution. Okay. Heard you. Okay. You answered the shit out of that question.

All right. So you said this is their favorite question. You're going to ask me or you want me to read it? Hmm. Let me think about this, how this is going to land. I had a couple more, but I know we're out of time, right? We're at a time. Let me read. Okay, no, you do you.

You do you. Let me do a couple of my in real life. Then you'll read this and that'll be it. Okay. I enjoyed you so much today already. I'm having fun. Are you good? Okay.

In real life. What are you no longer available for? My God. Oh, shit. It's like there's a lot of answers just flying at me because I'm really, I'm not available for a lot of. a bullshit. I'm not available

for people who take advantage of me. Like I've allowed people to take advantage of me for a long time. And when I say that, I mean literally, like, take free money from me, you know, because I love you.

Residually, because I love you. So I have to stop doing that because I'm not getting my cup poured back into with just the basic things like of protection, communication, respect. So that's one thing I have to just stop doing.

The tap is off. The tap is off. In real life. What is your most toxic trait? Do you have a one, you have to. You know, people are like, I just love too much. Like, bitch.

But is that yours? No. It's one of them. I'm not going to lie. I love too much and too hard, and I'm blinding it. But I think I'm going to give you a juicy one because damn. Okay. Take your time, by the way. You don't have to rush. Toxic trait. I have a few.

I have a few toxic trades. Like, I can be a little spicy. Hmm. Your delivery is always good. You know what? Is this toxic, though, to be like, moody? Is that toxic? I'm moody.

Is that toxic or is that just human? Human. Damn. I put that in the humans. Oh, I think that I'm a bad texter. I actually do believe I'm learning that I'm a bad texter. I'm like, oh, shit. Maybe just text, I don't, I leave people on red.

and I don't respond to certain things, but I respond in my head. I'm a cliche. I'm like, damn, I'm just like on the path. They would be like, I responded in my head and I'd be like, I don't believe you. And I'm like, actually, yeah. You're them now. I responded to you in my head and I never responded to you in real life. And now you think I'm mad at you, but I didn't even realize.

Yeah, that's just a time management thing, I think. Are you sure? I do think. No, you don't think. Don't justify my toxic. Okay, you're right. My toxicity. That is my toxic trait.

Oh, my God. You're an enabler. You just helped me identify my toxic trait. I am an enabler. Why are you a tourist? Capricorn. Oh, Earth. Okay, baby.

But I make excuses before you can even make your own excuse. I'm rich? Rich with love. With love. Yeah. And my toxic trait is that I am a, what do you call me? An enabler. Enabler.

Yeah, I think my toxic trade is, I don't text back fast. I ignore text. I outright ignore text. If I don't feel like responding or if I feel like I responded in my head, I just won't respond. Terrible. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. Lock me up.

Lock me up. It's been bad. I've been bad. How is love? Where are you at with love these days, Lizzo? I just love. I love love. I'm just an open, loving girl.

I love life. I wake up every day in love with life. I romantic life. I met romantic love. Oh. I am in love. Are you? Yeah.

I love that for you. Yeah. Are you keeping it private? Yes, I am. I know. I don't know why I feel like you're not being truthful. Oh, you are? Because it's complicated.

Okay. I know. I don't know what this means. But just know that I am in love. You are? Yeah. With yourself or with someone else? That's crazy.

That's a really good question. The answer is yes. Okay. Well, good for you either way. Thank you so much. I need that. I need that. All right. So here's my last question. It's my favorite question in the ball. If God were to text you right now, what would it say? Oh. You picked them your phone. You picked up. Why would you? My God on today, you almost got me. The streak was one day since I've cried. Oh. You made me get cried to your eye. I know. God. It would be today.

No, no, don't do this. I don't actually want to give you a real answer because it's going to hurt my heart to say it. Why? God, if he were to text me today, ooh, you know what? It's hard to answer this question in not a real way. I'm going to answer it in a real way.

It's the realest question in the world. Yeah. God would text me, he would say the storm is over. Yeah. Storm is up for now. I love that for you. Thank you. That's Lizzo in real life.

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