Joe and Jada - Angie Martinez IRL - Nikki & Brie Bella on WWE, Divorce, Reinvention & Who They Are Now

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

WWE Superstars, authors, and entrepreneurs, Nikki and Brie Bella join Angie Martinez to talk about the pros and the cons growing up as twins, how they went from working at Hooters to becoming WWE Diva Champions, Nikki's injury during WWE's Smackdown on their road to Wrestlemania, Brie's marriage to AEW Superstar Bryan Danielson, and where they see themselves when they hit the age of 50. Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuilt...All lines provided by ‪Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You need to get in bikinis and this and that I like look during Where did you bring me? Thanks for watching guys Today's episode is brought to you by Boost Mobile Most people spend their whole lives looking for somebody who truly knows them, who truly gets them. These two were born with that. They came up together, trained together, became two of the most recognized women in the history

of professional wrestling, two-time divas champions, WWE, Hall of Famers, Reality TV stars, entrepreneurs, mothers, and now they are back in the ring for what they say. It is the final time. It is the final time. Final run. We're welcome, Nikki and Bree Bella. Yeah, thank you. Hi, guys. Hi. Good to meet you.

You too. You too. You too. You know what? One of the reasons I'm so excited today, I've never had twins on the pod. Oh, really? You're about to get weirded out. No.

I'm so excited. No, I'm excited about that because I have questions. Because I think your life experience is so much different than somebody who can't. Like, I don't know. Just your experience is unique, something that twins probably. only know, right? Oh my goodness, yes. I mean, even something is simple that people don't realize is we never experienced the first day of school alone. So we always had someone to walk in and those scary moments as a child when you're going to walk into a birthday party and you're like,

are my friends here or school or any of that? I always had her. Yeah. So I feel like at a young age, having those awkward, insecure moments, we really didn't have them as much because having each Heather gave us confidence. So just like those things molding us at a young age, I think different, what we call singular's. They're non-duins. She calls singular. I don't call them. I think it's actually a scientific word. We are the singular. Yeah, you're the singular. Oh, got it. I think so. But there has to be another side to that. There's complications that come with. Anything good, right? There's always another side. For sure. Always being compared. Yeah, always being compared. And like, being compared physically, mentally, like how we were in soccer.

being compared on the soccer field. Even in the wrestling ring, anything we do, it's like we get compared. And it's interesting because it's like, we're not clones, we're twin. I just wonder if it's sometimes it's ever in your lives been a problem

or something you had to work out. Yeah. My husband would probably say yes. I know. He probably needs to work it out. I think for Bree and I, not only are we identical twins, but we're best friends.

Yeah. And we also, yeah, and we are also great business. and his partners. So, I mean, we definitely, especially in the past two decades, have had to really learn each other's strengths and weaknesses and like, hey, that crossed a line. And even though I'm your twin, that isn't cool. There's still boundaries. We've had to go to like twin therapy for that. Is there a twin therapy? Well, no, but we made it. Yeah. We with like a life coach. It's just regular therapy. Yeah. Right. Got it. Therapy with a life coach who will help us through business things and we

do our twin sessions. Because we would just need help. with that. Because we humble each other. We do very quickly. And then we'll go get coffee. I'll be like, since I just cut you below the belt, let's go grab the coffee. So I have this one set of friends that I have that are twins. I know one of them a little bit better than the other, but we have a very close mutual friend. So I spend time with them on trips and things like that. You have a very meaningful conversation at dinner. And then I don't see her for six months. And then I think I just ran into her in the airport. And it wasn't her. And so from my experience, from the outside, from the singular person.

I'm like, oh, God, that was awkward. I was talking to her as if it was her and it wasn't. But then I think, what does that feel like from the inside as you're like navigating? Like you have a meaningful moment with somebody. Yeah. But she plays into it. What do you mean? So if someone thinks she's Bree and they'll have like a conversation with her,

she just will go with that where I right in the beginning and I'm like, oh, I'm Brie, not Nikki. But there's nothing internally that happens to you or makes you feel insecure. cure. Well, for me, I feel bad. The only reason sometimes I won't correct people is if either I feel bad or I know like I need to get like out of there quick. So I don't want it to turn into like, oh my gosh, I thought you were Bree. And then that'd be a whole conversation. Oh, you just go with it. One thing I do find interesting and what I love is if she does have her own friends and has like meaningful relationships because we have a couple of our own like we have our core group of best friends. But we have a couple out of that that we're closer with. But I feel like,

like we need that. Yeah, totally. Not always, like, we need to hear a different point of view, someone who isn't experiencing everything that we have, and especially since the womb, it's like we've gone through everything together. Right. And now, you know, like even in life, like with business and wrestling and motherhood. So I think it's really nice for us to kind of have separation like that. I also feel we have such different personalities, but we also love hanging out with each other, which makes it more like best friends. So we've been able to do this life together because it's funny. I look at Bree, I feel like at times more of a bestie than a twin. A twin? Really? Well, I don't know how, I think because I like kicking it with her so much,

just like my best friends. But I think this is why, don't you think this is why we've worked for so long? Because like, for instance, we do have our own, like, best friends where my personality meshes more with some and yours with others. Yeah. But then we're all like get together and we're all like the crew. For sure. Well, we've met twins who don't like each other and I'm like, oh, like I don't get it. I don't understand it. That's weird. Or some who might be so insie. But they're insecure by the comparison is what I feel.

And for us, we're each other's biggest cheerleader. Yeah. Like, if I don't get something, I want her to get something. Right. And vice versa. And I also was. That's really a big key to it, right? A huge, huge.

And I was comfortable knowing that my weaknesses are her strengths. And I'm okay because I had things like she was, when it came to the soccer field, she stood out more. and the skill set. Thank you for a many. That took you 30 years. Just kidding. Yeah, I know you're kidding because I can care less.

But like I also had this like artsy side to me and this expression that like that was your thing. Right. And my mom was good at like noticing that and kind of being like how strong your sister is and these things and like oh my gosh, look at how artsy Bree is in this. So I think some twins can't they get so deep in that comparison. and that they kind of, you know, forget, like, it's not competition with each other. It's like, you know. Right. Well, and I do feel like, though, that's why sports are so great for kids growing up because you get used to, whether it's teamwork or being a team and, like, doing things together.

Or if you play individual sports, like if you're a track runner, you learn competition, but you learn that respect of other people you're competing against if you're at a competitive level. And I feel like that helped us a lot, too. Like, we went through a lot in sports, and I think that's helped us. That's helped us for sure succeed in this industry. We've had our runs as a tag team and individual, for sure, yeah. Well, your parents did a great job. Yes. What do you, like if somebody just has young twins right now.

Yeah. What do you tell them about how to navigate that world and so that they can have this type of connection? I put them in different classes. Really? I don't even think you need that as much as just. I think it helped. Yeah, recognizing the individual parts of them. Yes.

I think sometimes, you know, twins, it's hard not to have fun with them dressing identical. Like my mom didn't wear babies up until I went to her in kindergarten. I was like, I don't want to dress alike anymore. I don't want to be a twin. Wow. My mom was like, oh, okay. And then instantly you saw when my sister and I got to decide what we wanted to wear, she was a straight up tomboy and I was very girly.

So I think you need to have twins express themselves because they are going to express themselves. differently. Right. And so parents need to like, I know it's cute to have twins, but like let that, you know, happen. Right. And I also, though, think being in different classes starting third grade, because then you get used to doing things on your own. That's true. Like, homework was different, walking to a class by yourself without like having your sister always there, your twin. I think that really helped us. Starting third grade, we were never in the same class, not even in, I don't even think in college, we took the same class. No. And then the one time we were in the same class in eighth grade. We got in trouble a lot. Yeah, because we were.

And then they had to separate us. Mess around with each other. We would prank each other and the teacher goes, yeah. Yeah. It's not going to work. Get them split these two left. I think we were so excited to be in a class together. So we just.

Because I was like the first time ever. Every day. Yeah. And we ruined it. It was for the best. So that's great advice then. Yeah. Is to let them have their own identity.

Yes. For sure. And I think as parents, we get really caught up because we become like Uber drivers that we're like, what's just easy? Like, let's just put them all in one. sport or one activity together because it's easy to do the drop off and the pickup. Yeah. But there's always going to be a child that's missing out on something that's actually their

strengths. If you're just going to be following your twin or your sibling. And so I find that it's really important to see what each kid's into. Like my daughter, so artistic. She hates sports. And she's a fashionist. And then my son's all about sports. But I'm not going to, you know, have them all at the same field.

Yeah. Super busy. But it's kind of fun, the different conversations and the different activities. I get to do with each child. Yeah, totally. I get that. What about when she's like, what about when one is hurt? Like your sister has, what is happening with your foot, by the way, right now?

This is not an ideal time for you. No, not at all. I've been super bummed out about it. So as in now, it's a sprained ankle. Uh-huh. We don't know if it's a high sprain or something else. So I got an MRI. I'm waiting for the results.

What happened? In our match on Friday. So we had, it was our second tag match back together. and it happened right in the beginning of the match, and I finished the match. I can't believe I finished the match. And I stressed out my poor sister. I mean, this is my second matchback in eight years. Like, so much anxiety and her first tag.

So she tags me, and as I'm about to come in, she goes, oh, I think I broke my ankle. And we're on live television. I was like, huh? I was like, do we need to call the match? Did you really think it was broken? I thought it possibly could be because I've had a break before and the rush that was, like, going through my calf. And I couldn't put weight on it.

I was like, oh, I think you just broke my ankle and just how it felt. I just knew something was wrong, but I knew this was like starting the story to WrestleMania. So in my head, I knew there were girls in the back waiting to run in. I knew there was just a lot of women a part of this match and I didn't want to let anyone down. But I still had like 10, 12 minutes to go. And I was like, my goodness. So every time. That's so my sister, by the way. Yeah. I'm such a pleaser. So every time I would tag in, I was like, know, it's really broken brain. Like it's broken.

And the girl who were like beating up is like, put me in a hold. Like she's like, wait, is her ankle broken? And yeah. And we're doing like a double suplex. Like we're, I think it's something that's probably the worst pain I've ever felt over a broken neck. Really? Really? With your ankle.

Yeah. Because I have no choice but to put weight on it. Yeah. So you have a very high pain tolerance. Very high pain tolerance. Hey guys. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, Florida. sports book. The biggest weekend in college basketball is almost here. The round of four is set,

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it's not a thing you think women are going to get into? It's like, as your mom when she's first appearing this news. Like now, yes, but not bad. Yeah, for sure. Of course not. No, because this is before. Well, now you've changed the game, but I mean then. Totally.

And this is before social media when we got into it. So the only time you could watch wrestling was on television. Yeah. But, you know, fans. Yes. Well, and Nikki and I, it's funny because it goes back to, yes, we were soccer players, but one thing we loved doing is we love dressing up as the spice girls. And when my parents would have boxing parties, we're like, when it's intermission,

we are going to lip sync for all your friends. Yeah. But we loved performing. And like when it'd be the holidays and we knew. family was coming. We'd spend all day doing it, perform, practicing, and we always perform. So we were Hooter girls right out of high school. And we'd always watch the wrestling, like the pay-per-views. Well, even how we got drawn to Hooters was crazy. We knew we had to pay for a lot of things. Like, college books is ridiculous. We're like, this is like a month of rent. So we needed a waitressing job

and the state of California, if a restaurant has hard alcohol, you have to be 21 or older to be a bartender or server. So Hooters was the only place that didn't have hard alcohol, just beer and wine, so you could be 18 or older to work there. So we were like, when we heard that, we were like, do we do it? Should we go in? Because we had never been into Hooters before. You didn't even know what you were walking into. No, no. No. We got like big padded bras because we were like, oh, you need Hooters to work at Hooters. It was like, why? I look back and I'm like, we're crazy. But so this is where we made our bestest friends. in the whole wide world, and we're all still close.

And when people ask us where we're met, now we're proud. Like, well, I mean, we say Hooters and I say college. Bree and I are always like, no. We always go Hooters University. Yeah, friends get mad. But we all came from the same story of like, shoot, we need to pay for books. But I don't know about this. So, yeah.

But then we'd see wrestling. Well, then we saw a couple years, you know, into that, we saw they were, they were on a search for divas, so female wrestlers. And for a lot of people who maybe watch glow. on Netflix. You kind of can have an idea of what it looked like. You showed up

and you, you actually had no idea what was going to happen, but in our heads were like, okay, I'm breezy for shezy. You're Nicole for show. We're the Garcia twins. And like, we're like, came tough.

We had bandanas on. But are you like physically? Well, we thought we were going to get physical. I told me. I told her. So, you know, we're going to show up or we're going to be fighting today. And I'm like, all right, let's do this.

But it was not yet. Had you ever done that before? We're like wrestled each other our lines. We just thought we just go scrapping us. We just thought, like, I don't know what we were thinking. When we were standing in line, like, I just thought they were going to call us out to fight someone. Like I literally was just prepared, I guess, to do it. You would just down for whatever.

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where did you bring me? No, no. And then it was more about, like, let's see the bodies. They're like, me to get a boob job. And I was like, excuse me? And like, then they're like, cut a promo on your sister.

I'm like, what? It was way different. Way different. I like was Bree and I, oh, I just remember leaving there like, what was that? It was just crazy. But there was someone who, there was this woman there who actually, and I give her a lot of credit because she saw Nicole and I kind of walk out of there demoralized. We were just like, okay, that was weird.

But she like saw a lot of potential. But she also didn't like how she saw us. going with so much confidence and walk out with like none. So she pulled aside and she was like, listen, they can get like that like for television and whatever. And she's like, but I see something really special on you too. She's like, you guys really want to wrestle like fight? And we're like, yeah.

She's like, well, let me talk. And yeah. You know, she's like, we can fight out to one of the developmental programs and give you an actual like week long tryout. And so we went to McDonough in Georgia, which is outside Atlanta. And we were there for a week. And we, it was called the Deep South. And it was so fun.

We were watching everyone train. They were kind of training us. There was this guy who was like a big vampire and we're like, oh my gosh, you guys are going to do a little indie show. Can we like under your cape and come out? And we just realized like we were having playtime. And it was between the athletics and the character work, we're like, this is our calling. We fell in love.

At the same time. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah. It's, you know, we saw from day one, not only like the magic of pro wrestling, but. but also the athleticism and being athletes, like, we're like, this is all, this is the spice girls in the soccer worlds collide. I know, like, everything we ever wanted growing up as kids. We're like, it's here.

Yeah. And it's crazy. We've been hooked ever since. And it's so wild to me when people aren't familiar with W.D. And, you know, wrestling storylines or they'll talk to me about things. And I'm like, no, it's the most magical place ever. There's nothing like it in the world. And even when I'm having my caviar and Dom.

Perry on at the Ritz. I'm like, you guys, no, pro wrestling is it. Like, this is the greatest thing ever. And I just, we were hooked. Like, that was it. And you still love it. I still love it. I still love it. I mean, even last night watching at Madison Square Garden, which is like the most iconic place for wrestling. Yeah. And some of the segments I was watching, I was like laughing out loud. And I'm just like, gosh, this is such a great business. And I just love when we're at stage and seeing that, you know, especially when we have like very colorful. characters and they're just walking around. I'm like, see, this is what I love. This is what I miss. It's like the circus. I love it. So what does this moment feel like that it's coming to an end?

It's like a, it's a big pivot figure. It's a big life change. It is. It's great. It's sweet. One of those, we knew we had one more run in us. And we really wanted our kids to see us too. But you're not 42.

It feels different. And you're, you know, getting in the ring with women in their 20s in their 30s and some in their 40s as well. But, you know, it just, her and I are like, wow, okay, like travel and, you know, taking those bumps. It definitely feels different. But for her and I, we've always wanted to go for the tag titles because they weren't around when we were actually competing. They came after we retired. Yeah.

And so that's always been on our bucket list and the fact that we actually get to do it now. It's incredible. Well, and it hits, like, for me, I was actually telling Bree this where it hits me hard before we did our walkout last night, our, you know, power. walk stretch. Your strep. I looked at her and I go, Bree, we are only going to have so many more of these moments left. I go, is it not crazy how fast life has gone by?

Yeah. When I think of us starting 23, like, it just seems like I never would have thought 20 years would have gone by this fast. Yeah. And I just, it kind of hits me different to think that when this is done, it's not just because like, oh, it's just a career. I'm like, no, it's life. it's age. It's a new era. It's just that time. It's interesting when I'm hearing you tell

this story because I think a lot of women, like, you know, age is a thing for a lot of women, especially when you're in a pivot. It can be scary. Like, what do I do next? Am I going to be okay in this next phase? Are all the things I'm planning going to work out? What is the next phase that my life look like? Or just even struggling with getting, you know, getting older and not being 23 anymore. Like I try not to fall into certain insecurities, but when you're like, like wrestling half naked on TV. It's like you can't help it. And a birth child. And actually birthed a child. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's even like last night, I'm like, are my wrinkles showing? I'm like, do I, am I dressed like a mom before we're like going out? We're always like,

no, we look hot for 42. We need to stop this. But you can't help. You know? That's where age can be like a little difficult. Yeah. But also what's great is what I've realized having you is we get to be so present, which is so important. Especially for us women when we're heading these. these different eras than it's about age. It's so important to stay, like, present. Because then we're going to look at photos of us now in 10 years. I'd be like, oh, I appreciate that more. For sure.

Yeah, why didn't we feel this company? I look at so many photos from my 20s, and I remember being in my 20s. Again, those photos not happy with them. Why do we do that? Oh, my gosh. And I'm like mad at myself. Wanting to be like a size smaller in jeans? Who cares?

Everybody does that. I think everyone does that. And then you see it later and you go, God, I was. I looked good. I was perfect. My skin was tight. I miss out in like no circles under my eyes. I'm like, wow.

Oh my gosh. Yes. Does it feel like the end of an era for you guys? Like, how does? I mean, is there sadness in that too? Oh, big time. Oh, for sure. Because, I mean, the Bella twins raised us.

Like, that's, we became them, which is crazy. But we grew up in this industry. and when that door closes, that's going to be crazy. Because especially the past eight years, it's always been like, when are you making the comeback and one are the bell twins getting back in the ring? And when this door shuts, that will no longer be a question anymore. Right. It'll be behind you.

It'll be behind us. Right. That's kind of wild. Yeah. And I think, too, it just shows you, you know, that life, like, we're just, we're getting to that point of getting older, but in a different way, like, where it's like you can really let go of something and be like, okay, onto the next chapter and you start to realize your book is having a lot of chapters.

You're like, well, just be having a happy hour talking about premenopause. Is that the plan? Yeah, we'll try and to prevent as long as I can. You're going to be young retirees. I'm sure there's a lot still on your list of things to do. That's the one thing with us. Our goal is at 50 to be retired from like social media world. That is our goal.

Wow. By then, we want to be off everything. and strictly be in our entrepreneur era where it doesn't matter about the face of it. We just feel like it's a great place to disconnect. But, I mean, the Nikki and Bree Show, our podcast, like we've been eight years now. Wow. Has it been eight years already? And it's like our bread and butter. And we love it.

And we love the people we get to have conversations with and all the things we get to learn and where we get to take it. We've been taking it to events that will continue on. And that's become really our thing. And we're winemakers and we love winemaking. Like we really, really do. And love wine too. Oh, yeah. We, it was funny because just being on the road, I was like, our wine brands thriving and really busy right now.

But yesterday I'm like in makeup and I'm like, oh gosh, my lawyer's like, can you sign this? We need this license for this state. And I just started to realize I'm like, my emails like keeping up on everything. I was just like, oh. To real thing. So you should probably apologize to me for the past year of all the time. you gave me hardship on like,

oh my gosh, you don't get back to this quick enough and you don't do this. So something, you were gone like, so no, no, no.

It was not as wild as what we've been doing. You heard her. Do you guys really fight or is this your thing? No, we're Lucy and Ethel. No,

but do you like, but is there moments where we physically fought when we were younger but then we stopped. Yeah, we don't. Well,

not physically, but I mean. Oh, like, do like really tell each other off. Like, is your banter like always light like that? Oh, yeah.

Like, if she gets on your nerves, is it a light banter? Or do you ever have? I mean, we've had a few moments already. Which I feel like now it's like text exchange and then we become bigger people. Because I can't imagine you guys really like. Telling each other off. Like if you got, I don't know, if there's ever a separation. If there's ever a distance in between you or do you not let that happen?

No, we do. Because I feel like sometimes I, we both need the break, but sometimes I can get overwhelmed really easy. Her breaks like a day. Well, I know, but still. And, like, she can just keep the chaos going and going. And I'm like, I need to go to my garden. Not true. And I'm just like, I need a time out.

But, like, from each other or just from something going on? Just because I feel like we're so busy all the time. And you work together, too. Yes. So I feel like, we do need our space. And we're good at that, though. Yeah. Or you're laughing at me because I'm not because I'm single.

Only because. You're single, yes? Yeah, I'm single. How's that going? How's that going? Well, I mean, not great. Well, the good thing is, is I love being single. You do?

So that's I love. Tell me why. I just love my space. I love how I do my routines. I love my aesthetic of my home now of just like, it's me and my son. I just live all the things. And I couldn't imagine someone in that space now. And I love like the peacefulness of it.

dating just at times, you know, I think it's because I'm busy and my son's five. So I'm like in it as a mom. It just seems like it's so much like it's added to the list. It's like not a fun thing. It's just like, oh, this is like another thing. But it's also probably because I haven't met the person who's made me like want to make space for that. Yeah. That on the other hand, it just seems like it's slim pickings out there if you want like a man, man.

Have you tried? Have you put any effort into it? It's not a priority for you, I guess, not right now. You haven't really put effort into it. I haven't. I keep my eyes open. This is the best thing. Would you pick for her?

Oh, yeah. I want to. Well, we were at the bar and I saw someone in the shoe into the restroom so she can make like a walk back to like look at him. And she was, oh, yeah, he's cute. I'm like, great. So we made eye contact and then he came over and then he starts talking. And then one of the first things he says, he's like, yeah, I moved from this place. There was all these divorceseys with their own baggage of kids.

or made it like kids like he's like with their kids like I'm going to take on that baggage yeah I was like I literally kicked her on the table I'm like yeah we're like each other I'm like why would he say what a weird thing to say but I was like thank you for not wasting our time yeah honestly I'm like bye and I loved it because as we were walking out his friend who was with him goes oh my gosh the bell twins hey we're like hey and I'm like I can't wait for his friend to fill him in about the divorcee with baggage I felt bad and I'm like you're in here dissing divorcees you're talking about the minors. Like, I'm like, Nicole, no. Oh, no, I knew. Yeah. I wasn't, but that's what I mean. Do you get involved, though, in each other's relationships? It's hard because she's my husband. She's trying to push

me out more just so she could live through me. Yeah, I want to be your wing woman, of course. Yeah. But my husband's really great with her. Like, she's our third wheel. He's amazing. And we're about to go, we're April 11th, we'll be celebrating her 12 years of marriage, which is awesome. Yeah. And so I've been really blessed. Yeah, he's incredible. She's lucky. She has a man-man, but he has empathy and he can be sensitive but not too sensitive. Well, sometimes you guys can be a little sensitive.

Really? But, well, they need to work it out. Because you get so tough and then the poor guy can get super sensitive. But, wow. Are you learning stuff? But I always tell her, I go, girl, you're so lucky. I do. Because what I'm seeing that's out there, which I know there's great.

men out there. I just don't think it's the right time for you. I just want a cow. He doesn't have to look like a cowboy, but I need like a man like a cowboy. You know what I mean? Well, you're a wrestler. Yeah. So you need a guy that's... It makes me feel feminine. Yes. Yeah. So you need to have rugged hands, not a better manicure than me. You need to just, I don't know. Yeah. You know, I know. She knows everything. She knows everything. What is that like when she's going through a hard time or even through like divorce watching your sister go through that what is that like oh that was that that was very hard on me and it's because i become the protector and i can be it's funny you say it was hard on me oh did i see yeah because it was yeah i'm sure and i felt like i could and that we go back to that twin

thing where i felt like i could feel a lot of what she was going through the anxieties the sadness all the stuff so i felt like i it lays on me as well because i can feel that yeah and then i can be like a huge bitch. So like then I become that protector bitch. And then that takes a lot of energy to, you know, have to fight all the fights. I know. She was like in hard, like I felt like she had done up on her therapy because of, yeah. Oh, no, I did. I doubled up on my. Well, and also we're in business together. So it's like I wanted her to step away to concentrate on her. Yeah, she let me disconnect from everything. Just focus on my son and myself. Right. But, you know, then I took on a lot. And I'm still, you know, a mom and a wife.

And like, so, yeah, it was a, it was hard. It was a lot. But it was fine. You know, it was good. We both grew from it. We did. Thank God. That's interesting that you probably both grow from what the other.

Oh, for sure. Like every experience that you have. For sure. You grow from. Oh, yeah. And vice versa, right? For sure. Someone yesterday is like, Bree, you seem like the oldest.

And I go, yeah, because I got so much. wisdom from all her mistakes. Honestly, she's so lucky. I learned from all of us. Do you have a look at her marriage and try to figure out what she's doing right or what she did right or maybe with the choice? She picked right. That's what I didn't say if she picked right. I shouldn't have picked for passion and sexiness.

I have passion and sexiness. I mean, not saying that Brian's not passionate or sexist. That was great. For me, I have it. Meaning you guys connected off of museums. and earthly things at first. Like, you know what it was is we built a friendship first. Yes.

Exactly. Good way to put it. That's a better way to put it. Yes. And I think, too, I mean, I'll say I went through a bad breakup before meeting him. And in that breakup, what I realized were all the things I didn't want in a man. And so I became super picky. And I didn't apologize for being super picky.

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And just really dissect the red flag. Like when if you trust your gut, I think I've learned that more than anything. Like your instinct is always right. You can't fix anyone. I think we go into things and we do that. Right. Yeah. And we just want to fix them and we hear him or he or him or her, whatever it is.

But like we want to fix them and it's like we can't fix them. They have to want to fix themselves. And if you're already like that from the beginning, beginning is just not going to work. And those are the things I think I've learned the most. Took me a few times. But now I've realized, like, whatever it is in the beginning, that is what it is. And that's what it's going to be. And so if you like it, go with it. But don't. Not everyone's perfect in relationship. Like, there's no perfect relationship. So I think, too, looking at people's weaknesses in a relationship and being able to be like, can I marry that? Like, right. Because it's not like

it ever fully goes away. Right. And having no expectations. expectations. I mean, that's just setting yourself up for failure. And that's whether like it's in your dreams and goals or in a relationship. But I just feel expectations really set yourself up for failure. But we should have some expectations, no? Like we should expect what we need. And I don't know. I agree. Right. Like you got to. But then I feel like you have to see that in the beginning. You have to see it at the beginning. You can't fall in love with the potential. That's what. And that's the thing. I'd always fall in. love with the potential. I mean, one was, one of my loves was just, timing and life wasn't right. Yeah. The other ones. Yeah, the potential. Just wasn't right. Yeah. Just wasn't right. Yeah. Was it right. But you seem okay. You don't see. Oh, no. I'm so good. Yeah. You know, I've learned so much in life. And I think I've just accepted that, you know, this is just me. I've been on this roller coaster for so long. But you bounce back well. I bounce back well. And I have to give my sister so much credit that her letting me disconnect for three months and me just taking it straight on mentally and physically. And like when I went through it mentally and I had a great team behind me too that was really protecting me too. And with me every day talking to me, my life coach stepped in even more. So it's like your support group is so important. But I took sugar and alcohol out of my diet. Anything that that changes a mood, I wanted to feel everything for things.

three months and just heal it and go through it. When, what do you mean? Like after? When my divorce was going on, I just wanted to take it all. You cut out sugar? I cut out sugar, alcohol. I was mainly drinking bone broth. I up the nutrients of my body so high.

Wow. Because I... Even like she was picky about the music she was listening to. Yeah. So you were in like self-care mode. Oh, yeah. Like full, deep self. Like, it could only be like full gospel.

Like if I wasn't hearing the word of God, I don't want to hear anything. Wow. Yeah. I went deep in honestly I had hard hard nights and just like this is my life I mean I loved all the way and I lost it looked really good never will get back there ever again I'm like how does that happen yeah but but you didn't sit in that yeah you're not somebody that sits in it no like even for what you're telling me I could hear that you like did you were working through it working through it yeah it's you know life is a constant work and

And I've been working on myself very strong for what the past, I want to say maybe eight years. Yeah. Where really? And I realize that this is why we always have to do the work on ourselves because we get into moments like this and we know how to handle them. It doesn't mean they're not going to be hard, but we're going to know how to get through them. We're not going to be victims. We're going to get there and we're going to cleanse this pain out of us. We're going to get through it.

And we're going to grow stronger and survive. That's interesting, though, because I've never really heard somebody talk about getting through, whether it's divorce or. loss or any type of grief period in their life by actually like detoxing. Yeah. Right. They got to detox it. And it does what to you? What is?

You're just, you know, our soul holds on to things, right? And you're just so clean and pure and you're just taking it in so purely. Well, I think it helps with the energy too. And the energy and, you know, you sit there and you process things different. Things become so clear and feeling. Just for giving up sugar and... Well, just think, too, if you consume too much sugar, too much alcohol, how you feel. And then if you're going through a hard moment in your life, it's just the downward spiral.

And I think that's how people hit rock bottom. It's like there, it's, you know, it's too many bad things going on physically, mentally. And I think, you know, and I think the way Nikki handled the situation and did it, it was actually really inspiring to watch. And I was like, wow. to think like, oh, cleansing your body physically, mentally is going to what's help you heal faster and also her clarity on just the whole situation. And I think that's, you know, sometimes we don't see the real clarity. Like, you know, she's like this happened for reason and let's get to the bottom of it. And taking my own accountability too. Right. It's better to be in high frequency. When you go the other

path, people just get in a darker place. I wasn't going to let myself get in a dark hole. Wow. And I'm a mom and my son, he was first. And because how I was raised and the things I saw, I was like, my son could see what he saw that one day, but never again will he ever see anything like that. And I will never let him even be in a situation like that. Yeah. And so, and I didn't want that these, the moments of divorce to affect the rest of his life. And we co-parent beautifully. And I get so many compliments. on how happy and loving my son is,

you would never think he came from a divorce family at all. And I have to say, I was so happy. And it was crazy the things that I saw. Like, there was this moment where I had my hardest night ever because, you know, divorce. You have to do it publicly, which is hard. Like for us, we don't have,

we don't have to do it privately. People just write headlines and there's no fact checking. Yeah. So it's, you know, you can't like fall into that stuff. But it was like probably like the heaviest time through it all. And I just remember like, falling to my knees and just like praying so hard like God, I just need to know that you're here

with me that no matter what happens, I'll be okay. And the next morning I woke up. I do the same routine, open up the same drapes every day, make my coffee. The brightest double rainbow just facing my home. No rain, no nothing. And it was the most breathtaking double rainbow I've ever seen in my life. And even the sunrise was the brightest we've ever had in Napa Valley. Like, you have to see the video of it. It's incredible when I Googled it, like the meaning double rainbow is always like a sign from God. And it was just crazy that it was literally that next early morning. You asked for it.

You prayed for that. Yeah. And if you do think about nature, they tell us. Like, when there's a storm, a rainbow comes. Like, just you got to push through. It's so true. You know. You push through everything.

Even hearing that because I had a bad car accident maybe like six years ago. And it took me so long just to drive again. Yeah. to think that you broke your neck. I know. And got back in the ring after that? Seven months later. I think I said I set a record.

I mean, crazy. And it probably changed both of you that moment. You do not have, like, does that not? She went on a solo run. She was like, it's my time. No, I'm joking. No. I mean, no, but does it change how you look at, like,

the potential for injury or danger or, you know, PTSD, any of that? I mean, when I saw her taking this double-team move from Naya Jacks and Lash Legend, I was like, like looking, I was freaking out because I was like, when I saw it done and her, all I could think about is her neck. And I was like, oh, no, like, is her neck hurt again? So, yeah, definitely you do, I feel like you're more cautious when you're going through the injuries. But we're also built different. Like her and I, I don't know. Very fearless. Very fearless.

Always have been. You just get back on the horse. Just get back on the horse. We know what it is. We know what recovery is like. So we're like, okay. Like, you're going to hurt. Like, you'll recover.

But it's also weird. Your body, like, your intuition tells you, like, when I broke my neck and they were trying to tell me my career was done, nothing in me felt like my career was done. So I was like, no, it's not. And they're like, no, yeah, you're never wrestling again. I was like, no, yes, I will. It just, nothing in my mind told me like, no, everything was telling me like, no, we're going.

Like, this is yes. So I pushed through. Yeah. And then I had this run. I was doing like the craziest things. And then I did get re-injured, which wasn't great. And I had to step back and then step back for quite, you know, a few years. But then I got pregnant.

And now, I mean, I'll think of things, but I feel like that's mom mode that kicks in. I start to think about my son. But other than that, I listen to my intuition so much. So I know moments, like if it's yelling no at me, I'm not going to do it. But. But no fear. No fear. No fear.

No fear. No fear. When I jumped off a few weeks ago to do a crossbody off the top of the turn buckle, and they're like, girls are like, I don't know. And I'm like, no, I'm fine. I'm good. I'll be fine. Crazy. More warriors.

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but we have a segment, are we doing voice note? Okay, we have a segment called voice note where somebody, a listener, fan of the show knows you're on, has a question or comment. Love it. So let's see what we got. Hi, this is Julie, and this is a question for the both of you. I've been dating someone for two years, and I always feel like I'm competing with his brother. They're not twins, but they're incredibly close, and I always feel like number two. How do you love someone fully when they already have a person who knows. them better than you ever could. Ooh, that gave me goosebumps.

Yeah. That gave me goosebumps. Because this is so what we deal with. Brian would be granted answering this. He would have to answer this. Yes. My husband said what he realized is that he'll always make a joke saying if he and my sister were drowning.

I'd go save my sister first, which I'm like, no, I wouldn't. I just probably let us all drown. But I feel, I know. I don't know. Yeah. She's like, excuse me. We are. We'll find a way for all of us. Like, come on now, Brian.

Yeah. But what my husband said is great and how he looks at it is, one, we become a family. And it's so nice to have your tribe. And also he's like, the things that Nicole gives you, my husband doesn't drink. So he's like, I see how much you love to go wine tasting or go get a fun lunch with an apparel sprit. And he's like, those aren't fun to me. He's like, but you get to enjoy that with your sister. and it's in good company and it's with family.

So he's really looked at a relationship and actually has seen that my sister's such a positive because he doesn't have to force himself to go do these things. It's like you go do that with Nicole and he knows how much I love it. I'm going to have fun. And I don't know. Maybe that's what's made our marriage. Yeah. And I know where I need to have boundaries too and I respect that.

I know when they say they're going to get tacos. I know it consists of a lot of other things. So I make sure not to go over. You stand down. Kids are in school. Yeah. Like, oh, we're going to get tacos today for lunch and Breeze. I'm like, all right.

See you all tomorrow. Because she'll just drop by. Yeah. But I do think it's important, too, to have the conversation. Like, I've definitely had a conversation with my husband. Like, does it bother you how close Nicole and I are or like that sometimes she just stops by? And so I do think it's important to. Of course.

I have to respect him. So for, you know, the listener who called in, I would say, like, Like, you should talk to them. Yeah. And just say, listen, like, I would like our time here and I respect your time there. But it's important to have boundaries and just to have an open conversation about it. And I rarely do it when Brian's there on dropping by. He doesn't care, though.

No, I know he doesn't. Unless we drop the taco comment. Yeah, but I respect it. Is that your cold taco night? Yeah. Because they like to go walking at these tacos, but I know when they're want to walk and go get tacos, I know what they're doing before. No, well, it's sex and tacos. Yeah.

Like having sex and getting tacos. I was like, you guys are so weird, but I guess you have two kids that just walk into your room all the time. Well, we've had to, he and I finally were like, because the kids are both in school, we're like day sex and it's actually the best. And so, because we're always so tired at night. And sometimes we felt like we were forcing it. So now it's sex with tacos. And I don't complain. And I know.

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Like, get to that top turn buckle, do your missile drop kick, but do it crisp and trying new moves. Yeah. And so it's been like really fun to challenge myself and actually do it. And so I'm proud of myself. I challenge myself. And I've been, I was in the gardens for the last couple years where I didn't feel the butterflies. I wasn't nervous. But every time you step behind that curtain before you walk out, I'm like, I want to vomit. But it's good to have that feeling, you know. I'm like, okay. Like we're alive. Yeah. For me, I'm proud of my achievements. But most of all, I'm so proud of the life that I've made and all the things I've overcome. I look at my home and I look at my son and I see the things I get to do for my son, which I'm like, hey, this isn't normal for a kid. You get like, you never wait in line. Like, you need to know that times you're going to have to wait in line. But I look at my life and I'm just like, wow, I did that. And I've overcome so much.

And I just, I think that's why I'm in such a great place and I'm just so happy. Like my son was just with me here for the past few days. And even getting like a VIP tour, the Statue of Liberty, I was like, whoa, it's because, your mom, hey, she took some bumps for 20 years and look at like the VIP treatment we're getting in. I just, those are the moments where I'm like most proud of. Well, you guys should be proud. Oh, thank you. Congratulations.

Thank you. Bell twins in real life. Yeah, baby. Hey, everyone. I'm Bree. I'm Nikki. And we're the Bella twins in real life. Hey, guys, thanks for watching.

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