Joe and Jada - Angie Martinez IRL - Steve Madden: Overcoming Addiction & Building An Empire

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Fashion icon Steve Madden sits down with Angie Martinez to talk about growing up with nothing to being the name and face of a shoe empire. Steve explains what it’s like living life as an addict and how coming out of prison reshaped his view on life. Then he explains how different the music industry is compared to the fashion industry, as well as what it’s like to meet hip-hop royalty such as Jay-Z, Beyonce, and T.I. Finally, Steve answers questions from our IRL Bowl of Questions, and reconnects with an old employee (who now works for Angie).Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuiltanetwork/ytb/All lines provided by ‪Hard Rock BetVisit Walden https://waldenu.edu to learn more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of Business Titan with a company currently worth over $3 billion. He is also a devoted family man, a provocative shoe designer. He is nothing but an inspiration. Oh God. You are. You also happen to be Brittany, my executive producer of the podcast. She worked at Steve Maness.

Oh, no way. Yeah. Her boss. You were her boss before I wasn't. All right. Okay. Steve Madden is here. Okay.

Yay. All right. Shoes. The shoe tightens. Okay. Yes. Is that how you think of yourself? No.

How do you think of yourself? When you see your, oh, God, that's such a deep question. How do I think of myself? Oh, you know, no, no, it's okay. It's all good, you know. You know, uh, because your name is beyond. Yes. I know.

Well, sometimes, I mean, at the end, at the end of the day, we're all the same. We're looking in the mirror and we see pimples and, and, you know, we think we're fat and, you know, or whatever it is. And so, yeah, every once in a while, that's cool. I'm Steve Madden. but mostly it's, you know, throw out the garbage, you know, throw out the garbage. That's it. It's mostly that.

You know, it's funny whenever we booked somebody, you know, we had this Barbara Corcoran was on recently. And then I would see this, her buildings. All of a sudden, I noticed every building that she had in New York City. So the same thing with you, I knew you were coming. And it's like, there's a Steve Madden store. Like, I feel like on every corner. I know it's not every corner.

No, but there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. I was just spending some time in Miami. They're all over Florida. They're all over New York. What does that feel like to you when you drive past? Do you even stay? I get a real big kick out of seeing people wear my shoes.

That's fun. More than your name. Well, the stores are good, but then I think about, you know, how are they running and all of that. So not that I don't enjoy all of this. I do. You know, I'm happy. I've been through a lot. But, you know, it's like at last four seconds, that little euphoria.

And then life is. You're on to real life. Yeah, I think so. Kids, you know. My kid goes to school She looks sloppy She looks clean Is she wearing Steve Madden's?

Most of the time Sometimes not Sometimes not It causes me pain Yeah I was gonna say Does it piss you off? It is a sore point How dare she?

And my son Doesn't always wear Steve Madden Which really drives me crazy What does he win? Snickers He wears more jealous sneakers I know It's unbelievable

And he fibs to me And we're in an elevator And so who's shoes are those and he's 18 and he says they're yours see badden and I find out you're Margella oh no the disrespect in your own home I know it's unbelievable

but it's fascinating really I can't imagine for you when you make the design these shoes and you walk around the city because you're still in the city right you live in New York I live in New York yeah so you're walking around New York and every like one out of how many people

have a pair of things Oh I don't know I see the bags around a lot Yeah the bags are everywhere The shoes are everywhere Yes Like you went to the name game last night. Are you sitting at the garden looking at people's feet? I do. Yeah, I always look at people's feet. I've been in the shoe business since I'm 17 years old. Yeah. And that's my life.

And so I often, when I shake someone's hand, I always look down and people, and, you know, I don't know if people notice it. I'm sure it's weird. Yeah. But I do. I can't help it. That's really funny. That's what I do. What is that like? Because, you know, I've interviewed a lot of a lot of artists, music artists. And I always hear stories of people like when they first started rapping, and they would sell their mixtapes out of the backseat of their trunk. Like they would sell mixtapes, they would sell. But I don't know anybody who's done the shoe hustle out of the trunk. I did that.

You did that. You know, what is the shoe hustle? And it's so funny because that's why I did have a few friends in the music business. Yeah. And I sort of connected with that hustling kind of vibe. Mentality, yeah. Yeah. I was good friends with a couple of guys.

With Irv, right, Irv Gotti? Yes, Irv Gotti. I was thinking about him today. I miss him so much. Me too. And I can't believe he's not here anymore. But he has that. They come from that school.

The hustler spirit. The hustler spirit. Yeah. I used to go to games with Irv and Jarl. They were great. We had so much fun. Yeah. Take me to your time, though.

Take me. Who is that guy who's selling shoes out of the trunk or the car? Who are you? What age are you? So I worked for a company when I was in my 20s. And then I went on my own in my 30s. Yeah. You know, and I just started with one shoe.

There was a little factory in East New York in the middle of, you know, a tough neighborhood. And, you know, I would just make, I started with what I could do, you know. What I mean by that is I didn't have a lot of money. So I couldn't, it couldn't be like a startup, you know, like I started with one shoe. I would go to the stores. I would sell the shoe. Being like serious like one shoe. I actually started with one shoe.

It was a little clog. Yes. You know, and I had a bank roll. Yeah. You know? And I carried it in my pocket. And I had a couple of employees and I used to pay them every day at the end of the day. He has 60 bucks.

He has 80 bucks. Every single day. And what were they running around doing for you? No, I'm just saying like I had a driver was my first employee. You got it. Because I had like 22 DWIs. So I had no license. So I had a driver.

a guy worked in my building where I lived in the village. So I had a driver and we'd go and we'd sell the shoes and then, you know, and it just started like that. It really just, you just start, you know, where you can and built up bankroll. There's really something to that. I mean, obviously there was 1,000 steps in between and the ups and downs and all that. But there's really something about that moment for so many people who have an idea, have a dream, have a thing.

It's like, yeah. Do the one start. Get the one shoe. Yes. That is exactly right. Or do the one thing. A lot of people, you know, people have, you know, I just hear like the word startup. So I get this idea of like an office with a lot of like desks.

Right. And it's a startup. I don't actually know what it means. They get some money and they start up. But for me, it was the startup was to take a hot shoe, a shoe and get it into stores. I had connections with the stories from my. previous job, you know, and they, they bought the shoe and they reordered the shoe, and then I had two shoes.

You put a label on it? Steve Madden, yeah. And then it just, it just multiplied. And then from that point to today, that's how many years now? It's 35, 36, this will be the 36 years. It started in 1990. Wow. Yeah, started almost, it's almost, yeah, about 36 years.

Does that even feel like you still, like, or does it feel like, or does it feel like, I don't know. It's like a story at this point, right? It's so long ago. It's a story. It is a story. But it's me and I'm still a hustler and I'm older and wealthier and maybe less insecure. I'm lucky that I could be on a show like yours and these are things that I never really talk about since I don't have a psychiatrist anymore.

But, you know, I feel like for me, like I feel like, okay. I got kids and I'm feeding my kids like a hunter, gatherer, you know, in my mind. And, you know, that's it. I'm getting up. I'm going to take care of my family. I'm going to feed them. And I know that sounds a little primitive. But for me, it helps me.

It keeps me going during the day. It's not about me. I've got to take care of these three kids and ex-wife and ex-girlfriends and all that. You know what I'm saying? You know, but, you know, that's what I do. So that's the motivation now. Because back then, your motivation was what? To make money, to be successful, to beat your demons.

Because I know a lot of your story. I know that you've been through trauma and addictions and loss. Addiction, yes. I mean, addiction itself. Yes. It's not a small thing. It's not a small thing. It's a blurb in your book and the cover of your book and it talks about you,

you're recovering. But addiction is sometimes people's whole story. You know, that's so smart what you're saying. It doesn't have to be your whole story, but it's definitely part of my story. But it doesn't have to be the whole story. It's just so, it's hard to explain it to people. It's considered substance abuse as a disease by the textbooks now. And when you're in it, it's hard to get out of it.

You know, and liken it to, you know, sometimes like diarrhea, let's just say. You can't, I know this is awful, but you can't will yourself to stop. Like, I'm going to just not go to the bathroom, but that's the way it is getting high. Wow. You know, you just, yeah, you know, it's kind of like that. And when you're in it, it's really almost impossible to get out of it. And it's, you know, but. Had you beaten the addiction at the early stages of your, like the trunk out of the trunk

guy? The trunk days. That's when I started getting sober, the trunk days. Yeah. You know, yes, you can get sober. One can get sober. It can happen. What is the, and if I can get sober.

Yeah. Anybody can get sober because I was. What is the thing? What do you attribute that to? How? You know, I go to, I have places that I go where people like me and we, and we, you know, And that's what we do. You know, it's, yeah, you have to surround yourself with healthy people.

And still an ongoing. Absolutely. Yeah. Forever. Yes. Yes. It's ongoing. Wow.

Yes. Does that stick with you through like, I don't know, you've had so many highs, awards, success, money. No, seriously. It's not a small thing. People work. You know, it's a big thing. Money, money, money, money.

People, listen. I know. Well, if you, you know. Money is a real thing. It's a real thing. And money, money cannot make you happy. Yeah. You know.

Can't cure addiction. It can't cure addiction and it cannot make you happy. You can buy. You can buy things and you can be comfortable with money. But money itself will not make you happier. It will not. But of course, because it's sort of an inside job. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And the other thing is it occurs to me that sometimes it can depress people in a way because you think, okay, well, once I get this, I'm going to be good, you know, and then you get it. And then it's like, wait, I still feel like shit. What's going on here? You know? And so then it can be a little bit depressing in a way, like a little post-poral.

Probably could set people back to their addiction. Yeah, well, you know, you could say, like, I thought I was going to be so happy, you know. But I'm thinking about like somebody that's a movie maker or whatever, you know, I mean, and they have, let's say, a lot of money. But I think they want to make money, but they also want to make good movies. You know, so, and I feel that way. I want to make money. But I want to make good shoes and I want to have a great company because I have money now, you know. So now the goal is good shoes.

Yeah, I mean, the goal is to have a great business and live sort of a healthy life, you know. I don't mean eat cal. You know what I mean? That would suck. I mean, like, you know, sort of live, sort of a healthier, make healthier choices. What is that for you? What does that look like for you? Less, no temper tantrums.

Do you know what I mean? I used to lose my temper a lot. And, you know, stuff like that. And also knowing that a lot of things have nothing to do with you. you. So, you know, when you're, when you're not really healthy, every kind of little thing, you get insulted easily, you know, somebody doesn't answer your phone or doesn't text you right back, you know, and a lot of things have nothing to do with you. So if you can live your life like that, that's for me, that's just me. Yeah. You know, you learn that, you know, they're not even thinking

about me. They're just, it's not an insult. You know, this has nothing to do with me, you know. That's the message. That's very important. Yeah. You know, but certain, you know, I've been in that place where everything's about me, you know, everything's about me all the time, you know. And so we talk about, you know, freedom from the bondage of self, you know. And so being healthy is kind of like that.

It's kind of like not everything is about me. And don't get insulted over every little thing that goes on. I mean, you know people like that. Oh, yeah. They get insulted about every little thing. And sometimes you're with them and you go, why are they upset? Did I say something? What did I do?

And I hate that. But I could be that guy, you know what I mean? Yeah, but you're trying to not be. I could be that guy. You're trying to be better. I'm pissed off all day. But you're trying to be better. Well, I'm trying to be happier.

Yeah. I'm trying to be, I don't know better, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to be happier. And I'm trying to, you know, it's good to learn. about stuff too. Yeah. But not everybody needs. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, Florida Sports Book.

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How many people? thousands. Thousands of people's boss. Yes. Well, yes. Yes. People, so people expect you to have the answers to a lot of things. We have a big company today and there's a lot of layers so I don't know everybody like I used to know everybody in the company.

Yeah. But yeah. I just wonder what that feels like to have to be a leader of such a so many people. You know, the funny thing is it's in some ways it's the opposite. Many of the guys and women and men that work for me don't always listen to me. So, and I go, are they listening to me? And so if you had more some people like me in business, you'd find that that's a very common thing. Yeah.

That they don't. Well, that will require you to hire well. I've hired so well. That's really one of the keys to my success. I've been very lucky. I picked a lot of smart people. What is the secret sauce? What is the thing?

Because there's a lot of shoe companies. A lot of like what is the Steve Madden secret sauce that lets you have this much success for so long? There is no secret sauce. We work hard. We move quick. Speed, product. You know, we have a North Star in our company. All the people that I work with have this.

this we know so I always say like take care of the product first and the money will come that's sort of the way I believe you know I don't really get too hung up on that of course making money profits very important but the first thing is make sure you have good shoes that's what we do yeah that's that's what it is and when you go into design even now yeah we're trying to make shoes that people want to buy yeah that's what I want to make that's it yeah I'm not interested in making shoes people don't want to buy. But you serve as a very specific customer too, right? It's like

you chose accessibility, right? You chose like to be able to be affordable and you could have designed, I'm sure. I don't know. You don't think you could have designed the... I'm not sure. A thousand dollar shoe? I've always been in the same thing. I make shoes that are

not too cheap, not too expensive. It's a sweet spot. It really is. It's a nice spot. You know, it's a nice spot. No, you know, I don't know if I could. I don't really know if I could. I'm just You've never thought about that. Come on. It's a different ball game. It's just a different thing. Jay-Z had a famous Steve Madden line. I wonder how you felt about that line. You know, I was in prison when that happened. Oh, my goodness. I was. How did you take that? Well, because you could take it

good or bad. Like, you know, couldn't care less. I'm happy, you know, I, you know, I was just in prison and he mentioned me and, you know, everybody was talking about it. And I actually met him at a party. And I told him about it. And he laughed at my face. No, he did. He did. I don't know if he was hurt me.

We were at a party. He was with Beyonce. She was so nice. She's lovely. She really was so lovely. Yeah. So sweet. Well, how did you handle it?

And he was right much. And I said, I got to tell you his story. And I told him the story. And he just giggled and laughed in my face. That's all he had. That was it. Did you offer any feeling about it? I was trying to, like, talk to him about it, but like, he wasn't.

It wasn't the time, probably. It wasn't the time. But his wife was lovely. Yeah, but so what? So you're in prison? Yeah, it came out. It was a thing. Yeah, it was a thing.

And then how did you feel about that? It was fine. It was good fun. He mentioned, yeah, he mentioned the brand and it was fine. And, you know, it was no big deal. But I wanted to, like, talk to him, like, Jayzie, let me tell him. What would you have said? What would you say?

I don't know. It was like, I was in. You helped me out. Everybody treated me so great. Thanks to you. You wanted to have your moment. Yeah, and he wasn't going for it. He wasn't going for it.

Maybe it wasn't the time. Maybe it wasn't the time, Steve. I'm sure he was busy doing what he does. I feel like there was a whole bunch of other lyrics, too. I feel like that you've been mentioned. Yeah, I met all those guys. Yeah, I met Naz. That was fun.

How was that? He was cool. Yeah. I met Nas. I met T.I. I took a plane ride with T.I. The plane? I liked T.I.'s music, by the way.

Okay. Well, that was big also when I was away. Oh, yes. That sound, you know, you don't know me, all those songs. Yeah. I really, I really liked it. I tried to tell him that, too, but I was, I had him on a plane with me, so he couldn't get away from me. You had his full attention.

Yeah, I had his full attention. What was that time like for you? It was a heartbreaking, heartbreaking moment. And you already, you're already. your shoes are already. I'm already hot. Everybody knows who I am. Not like I am today, but

you know, it was 20 years ago. And it is the doing of the time is not terrible. I mean, it's not like going to St. Regis, fucking hotel. It's terrible.

But actually, you know, you get in a groove. You know, you're surviving. You're doing your thing. You're working out. You're reading. You know, having some laughs with the guys and, you know, you're getting through the day, you know,

but the heartbreaking thing is that all the stuff's going on outside people are falling in love and having children and eating steak and moving on with their lives. And you think, it's like being dead. You know, it's kind of like being dead.

Like, this is what death is like. Only I'm not dead, but, you know, like everybody's out there doing their thing. and you're, you know, and especially after visiting day, you know, people would come to see me and then there would go one way and I would go back to my little cube. Yeah. You know, it's like, and my heart would break as I would walk back, you know, I would have this

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To think about that. So I can only imagine. Can you imagine? No, I can't. What it's like to be the guy going back.

Yeah. So that was very hard. So what is the thing that like drives you through? You've been through so much and then you get out of jail. By the way, then you get out. Yeah. Oh, that was so good. That was so good.

It was so good. But now you're out. Yeah. You probably like on a, it's like right now, what are they calling? This February is the year of the horse? The year of the horse, yeah. You were probably like in that. Yes, I was.

Right? I came out and I had a lot of energy and I was grateful and it was, it was an exciting time to come out. And thankfully, you know, the team was in place and we went and we just exploded. You know, it was great. Wow. Yeah. I was very lucky like that. It's super inspiring.

And it's so much of a testament to like, I don't know, it's just like your story's not always written for you at the beginning. It's like you could have went in a completely different direction. I could have. I could have died too. Yeah. You know, drugs and alcohol kill. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm sure they wait a time. Just don't wake up one day. That's it. Yeah. So what was the thing that woke you up? Well, you know, you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. Yeah. You know, that's what it is.

We have alcoholism in my family. Yeah. Yeah. And my brothers too. And so, you know, I don't know. lucky star you know and uh but you have to surround yourself with a lot of sober people and is there survivor's remorse in that no but there are times when you just you know you feel like you know you feel like i just need to get high or i need to get out you know and and those are the

times you need to reach out i mean now i feel like smoking a mob bar red right now yeah what i miss I miss that. I don't know lately. I've been missing smoking a cigarette. So bad. It's so bad for you. Don't do it. I'm not doing it, but I'm just saying it's so like that's when I, oh God, just want to like light up a cigarette, you know, and just, uh, yeah, I know. But, you know. So bad. It's so bad and it's so good. It's so bad. And it's so bad. And it's so bad.

and so good and so bad and I have shitty lungs to begin with it. Do you have to have different vices now to kind of like replace? You know, well, you know, I work out a lot. You know, I work out and I don't know. You know, it's not that special, you know, just we just. You are special. No, I don't know about all that. Hey, guys, support for this podcast is brought to you by Walden University.

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Today I'm a nine. Today I'm a nine. But every day is different. You know, most of the time I'm happy. Okay. You're a happy guy most of the time? Most of the time. Okay.

Then when I walk in a room, I want people to feel. I want people to feel. What do I want them to feel? What do I want people think about? Respect. You know, maybe respect. What do you respect most about yourself? I respect the ability to do things that are not comfortable, you know, mostly not getting high.

I respect that about myself. Good for you. Yeah. No, really, that's true. It's a real thing. Yes, it sure is. Yeah. But one of the things are off.

Well, going to the bar, people are drinking tequila. You know, everybody drinks tequila now. Yeah. I miss the tequila thing. Like, people are like fans. They buy these, like, 100. dollar bottles or whatever, maybe even more, bottles of tequila. They're experts.

They are. They're tequila. I know people that fancy themselves. Tequila experts and I'm sipping on a Coke. He's to piss you off a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. What should people know?

Because there's so many of us. I have family. Gambling addicts also. Yes. Alcoholics. Sure. Yeah. So what should people know about addicts? Like what should outside people when dealing with family or what should they understand?

Because it's hard sometimes from the outside from family members. You know this. Yeah, that's a big question. What should they understand that it's a disease? It's a disease like diabetes, like cancer. It's a disease. They can't stop. Addics can't stop.

Alcoholics can't stop. But there are places where they can stop. It's arrested. You can arrest it, but you can't cure it. Ever. Ever. Wow. Yeah. But that doesn't mean you can't have a great life.

And you know, you arrested and you go on and you could have a great life. You're like the poster boy for that. Well, today I am. You know what I mean? It's a day at a time. And there's a lot of people out there that are sober and, you know, some doing great things. They don't broadcast it. Yeah.

But. Because it's probably hard to revisit sometimes, right? You know, I didn't want to stay humble about it, too. But Anthony Hopkins just celebrated 50 years of sobriety. You know, the old actor that was in Silence of the Lambs. I saw he went in and spoke about it online. I saw him on TikTok. Had he never talked about it before?

Well, yeah, people knew about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 50 years. 50 years. Yeah. God bless. God bless is right.

That is amazing. That is amazing. What are you like when we talk about business, it's like there's so many people I'm sure you do a lot of mentorships. You have your organizations. You believe in rehabilitation and giving people a sec. I know even in your company you hire. We do.

Formerly incarcerated. Yeah, we have a few people that I was in prison with work with me. Oh, that's the work for company? And then we work with some organizations, the DoFund. And I like to, I like to. I like to reach out to young people, if I can, to not throw in the towel in their 20s, if they get going out and getting fucked up and being foolish. And, you know, it's not too late to turn it around.

Yeah. And it's hard to teach the entrepreneur thing. Yeah. So you're an entrepreneur. And, you know, no, it comes, it could be. anything. You know, it's just someone that makes their own way and does things differently and succeeding. Yeah, you know what's so funny though? I just was saying this to Brittany. I was like, my whole career, I have never focused on money enough. I've always been like, I want to make a cool,

I want to do this great thing, which you probably have some of that, which is sure. But you're, you've also been very diligent about creating a successful financially, you know, successful company. It's different. I do think it's, I think that's a good point you're making. I think you have to make money as an entrepreneur. Yes. I actually think if you're failing as the entrepreneur, if you're not ringing the register. I think you need to ring the register.

Got to ring the register. But of course, you know, if you're, if you have passion, you're an artist, you're trying to design that dress or make that song or, you know, or, you know, and so you say, well, I'm going to do that. But usually if you take care of those things, the money will follow. you have to make sure that it does.

But that's what they've always said to us. And I feel like we've gotten a lot of shit wrong. You're a tough business. Number one, we have to be hustle. You have to hustle, work so hard all the time. I don't know if that was right. At this big age, I'm starting to think, maybe I need a little more balance, right? And maybe I had to work hard for all those years to get the balance now.

Well, working hard is good. Working smart is good. Yeah. And then the other thing is, you know, you create something you love and the money will come. I don't know if that's always right. Sometimes it doesn't. But if you're smart, that's part of the trip. You have to make that happen.

happen. That's part of the entrepreneurial trip. You know, you're balancing like, do I want to enrich myself? Do I want to build my business? Like, there's so many things that go into this ride that you're on. You know, I was just

listening to, I just was an audio book because my eyes are shit. I saw it with the glass. So you tried to go in the bowl. Oh, God. And I was listening to a book. There's Lauren Michaels. He's the Saturday Night Live guy. Yeah, of course. And, you know, it was taken with, he's been there forever and he's built this

huge thing. And he's a great entrepreneur. And he had so many things, you know, on his plate that he was, and I was really taken with the book. Really enjoyed that. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. I met him once. Yeah. And, but it was a long time ago. And he doesn't remember me, I'm sure. But it's Okay. Who cares? You got something out of his book. That's all that matters. There's people watching this podcast that'll never meet you, but we'll get something out of this interview. Yeah, that would be great. What makes a great entrepreneur? You know, there's just, I feel like it's this big boat ride you're on and you got to keep the boat moving. And it's a battle that it's not always so great, you know, the entrepreneur thing. You know, it's very lonely too. Is it? It can be because you're on this

journey and you're trying to survive and flourish and people are attacking you and and and this swamps and and you just kind of keep moving forward and so the great thing for me is that I got a lot of help you know I got a lot of people helping me so even though my name is on the shoe you know I got so many great people that I work with yeah yeah it wasn't always like that Well, you start. You don't have any. No, you're in the boat by yourself at some point. I was in the boat by myself.

And you're not just in the, Steve, you're not just in the boat by yourself. You're like in the boat with like this history and trauma and addiction. Yeah. And you're still in this boat. I'm in the boat. I mean, that's fucking. Still in the boat. You're still in the boat.

I'm still in the boat. But it was a time when you were in that boat by yourself. Still in the boat. Yeah. The boat's bigger now. The boat is bigger. But still. And then, you know,

there's different challenges as you go along. Yeah. You know. And so. What's been some of your biggest ones aside from addiction, obviously? So yeah. Well, you know, letting go and letting smarter people do stuff and, you know, that and not freaking out.

You know, I'm the kind of guy that if we had a big market, a big show and I didn't like, you know, the cookies, I would freak out. I'd call the person, what the fuck is this? This tastes like medicine. You know, I was like that. I was crazy like that. I needed to control everything. You know, but then as you go along, you realize that you can't control everything.

So you learn what you can sort of control. So now if you go in the place and the cookies are bad, what do you do? I don't say anything anymore. But maybe I will. But inside, you die. The cookies. You can't make a bad cookie because it's such a waste of like calories. It's crazy.

when I go to a mall. And the elevators don't work. These guys charge so much money for these stores. They are so successful. And they can't fix the escalator. How dare they? The escalator. And the escalator didn't work at Madison Square Garden last night.

Yesterday. It was an escalator going down to 7th Avenue. And the escalator didn't work. He can't afford to, he pays Brunson 50 million a year. He can't fix the escalator. What is that? Because they don't give a shit about the public. because they got a product

you know, that people love. And they're going to walk up the people walk up the escalator. But on the other hand, they used to stay at the wind hotels in Las Vegas because the room service coffee was so great. And I thought to myself,

this guy, this Steve Wynn, this nut, he's an amazing hotel man. He took care of, like he, took care of that detail. His coffee, I'm telling him a coffee person. His coffee was so fucking great. And I stayed there.

I was loyal to him. You could stay anywhere in the world you want. And his room service coffee was the greatest thing because he cared about his. And that attention to detail, really, I love that. I was going to say, you're a passionate. Shout out to Steve Wynn. You're a passionate.

I always wanted to say that. I just played to win. Shout out, I love what people do that. Shout out to Steve Wynn. White people don't do that. Shout out to Steve Webb. No, I'm serious. But it's really true, you know.

But I do like that because it's like, yes. I don't know where he is. I see him on TikTok. He always wanted to give a shout out. Shout out to Steve Williams. Because he really cared this billionaire dude. I know that he said, I want my coffee to be great. He cares about the detail.

Yes, he did. And I was loyal to the Win Hotel because of it. They have a lovely golf course as well, by the way. They do. I've played it. I'm a golfer. Yes, you are. I didn't know that.

Yes, I've played the one. I just found the game about four years ago, and I'm a full, this is what I'm an addict. I'm an golf addict at this point. Yeah, I will golf. I will golf every day if I can. Yeah. Do you play in Miami? I do.

Anytime you want to go to Lagores, let me know. I want to go. Yeah, hit me up. I'm going to hit you up. And I want to go with Steve Madden. And you should make a Steve Madden golf shoe. Yes. I can play in at Lagos.

You know what I think we did make some golf shoes. Really? Yeah, we did. It was fun, but it was a tough business. I'm going to find it. I'm going to find one. Yeah. I'm going to dig one up and I'm going to show up a little gorse in my Steve Madden. Because people wear, they don't wear when I started to play golf as a child. I really started when I was 14. Yeah.

And golf shoes were really cool. Yeah. They were like tassels and two tones and amazing, mind-blowing golf shoes were mind-blowing. Yeah. If you look in the 50s, you look at the 60s, the old players wore beautiful shoes. And then it kind of like Nike sort of took over the business And it's sort of like sneakers now I try to cutin it up

I do the little flaps on the top of my sneakers I like the flaps I'm all about flaps Those are good Yes Flaps are good I'll put on a good golf You're a little golf shoe for it Yeah

Yeah So you golf I do I do play golf So that's a good meditated That's like meditation to me It's like so frustrating Everything's frustrating

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In my last year of college, I have failed my senior semester class. And I hated being in school. I was like in a bad place. And Steve Man was my first retail job. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to go work and see that. And it was one of the best times that I've ever had. Whoever was my manager at the time. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Life into me. And you also had the best employee perks because it was 50% off. Wow. that's a lot that's a lot he said it

I don't look into that shit what I worked during the busiest times I worked through Christmas right Black Friday yes and you visited

and I was like what the fuck is Steve Badger yeah I do that and I was working cashier and you said something to me

you were like you got the best seat in the house yeah I did say that I got to upgrade my material that was good but I did you I love going to have Ventura during the holidays. I love shopping around and seeing the action.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You like telling himself one of the sales associates sell a shoe that you came really early, like before the big rush. Right. Wow. But that like inspired me to like, and then I started reading up by your story

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They can be rude. Yeah. Yeah. I know. But I always respected that, hey, you're giving us your part of money. Sure. Yes. You want to make sure that you're getting close.

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I loved going to the Aventura Mall and so many different, it's just great customers, all different walks of life, very, very cross-sectiony. Yeah. And it was great. You're like a, you like to, you probably study the customer to some extent. Well, I do. I do. I do. There's all types.

And Aventura is great because we've so many different. We used to get a lot of South Americans, Canadians. And you test shoes there too, right? We do. We test a lot of shoes in Aventura. How do you test a shoe? So what you do is, you know, you make a short run little sample in a sample room. And you, so for instance, an example of that would be you would make a sandal.

And you put it in Aventura because it's freezing in New York and no one's buying a sandal. So you go down there and you get a little feedback on it. So if you, you know, they start picking up the sandel, you know that you might have something. This is a good one here. Yes. Test and react. We still do it. I love that you love this still.

I do. That's my favorite part of the business. I love that. Testing shoes and seeing what they mean. I love it. All these years later. Love it. I still do.

It's such a gas. You know, it's really. I'm sure people come to you for advice all the time about starting businesses. Usually they come to me for money. Really? What is the number one thing people ask for money for? I mean, you know, they come to your startups and things like that.

A lot of stuff. Usually I get 15 or 20 before 1 o'clock. But what about people who are really starting? Do you have advice that you give to people about? Chad yelled at me last time because I always said the same thing. It's okay. Chad, my colleague over there. I believe that you have to learn the business.

You know, a lot of people want to go into business. And I think it's helpful to know the business. For example, I think that if you were, you know, wanted to learn the restaurant business, it would be helpful to maybe work in a restaurant, maybe be a waitress or a waiter, you know. And if your goal, like if you said, I want to open my own joint one day or be a bartender, like I think those are just things that come to mind. Yes, learn your business. I think learning the business.

Yes. And then going into business. Yes. Is now for me, that happened sort of organically. I was just sweeping a basement when I was 16. By 17, I was up on the floor selling shoes. I mean, I learned all these things. It wasn't a plan.

It was just the way it went down But by the time You know, I was ready to go on my own I knew a lot of stuff already Had sort of good Yeah Had sort of good college It was sort of the school of shoes

Yeah, people never want to do that They want to go right to the Yes, they do They seem to right now this this generation Because you know they see They see the You know on social media You see all the success

And you want to do it right away and I certainly don't blame them. Yeah. But I'm telling you my advice. Learn the ropes. Learn the ropes, man, and whatever. Or the other thing is to find a mentor. You know, like if you got lucky to work in a company,

let's say it was a bigger company and you had somebody that you looked up to you that you worked for and you would be willing to do anything as an assistant or whatever the title was, you know, that is like just gold. Gold. That is fucking gold. You get a mentor and you learn and you, you know, and that's, those are the things that I would suggest. And then the other stuff, whether you have talent or not, it's another story. That's story for another day. It is a story for another day.

Anyway, I know we're wrapping up and I probably shouldn't ask, this is more of like a beginner I should have asked at the beginning, but is there something about a shoe? Like, what is the love of a shoe? It is a great question. It is, it's just what I do. Well, where did that come from? You know, I worked in a shoe store as a teenager. I know, but how did you even wind up there?

It was, God, I don't know what it was. There it is, the universe. I walked into a shoe store and got a job. Because you needed money. I needed a job. I was a kid and we went to work. That's what you did. In those days, you know, he said you got a job.

job. What was the shoe store? It was a shoe store in my hometown. Neighborhood shoe store called Toulouse. It was called Toulouse. It was called Toulouse. And the owner of the store was sort of an ex-hippie. He was, again, another lucky break. This guy was this like great artist character. And he owned the store and he was like this like ex-hippie. You know, he looked like that rock star and he had the store. And I wanted to be.

like this guy. And so that was it. So you used to shoes. Shoes. And so that was it. That's the thing you get a mentor. Yeah. So what a break that is.

Yeah. If you can find somebody. Yeah. I'm sure you've done that for a lot of people. I don't know about all that. No, it's true. Look at even Brittany. Young Brittany.

Young Brittany was one. I'm sure there are many, many. All right. And then finally, what is the future look like? What is the next five, ten years? So the future. What does the future look like? What are your goals now?

Like, what do you, do you have any more goals? Are you just trying to like, be a good dad, get a good night's sleep? Get a good night's sleep. Be good dad. Be good guy. No, see. I like to work. Like your legacy.

I like working. Let's talk about your legacy. Come on. I don't know. Here's what I want to do. I want to make great shoes. I still do. I want to make shoes that you guys all buy.

That's what I. We buy them all the time. So you did that already. So, no, no, but the thing is that before this, you know, you have a thing, well, maybe I should like make a movie, you know, or maybe I should make a, you know, like to go into music business, right? Because I like music. Yeah. Right? But just because you like music, it doesn't mean you can go into the fucking music business.

That's dopey. I did that. Yeah. So I think a lot of people that make a lot of money do that stuff. And so you learn that, you know, it's not about staying in your lane. I don't give a shit about that. I mean, there are many people that do a lot of different things. But for me, you know, this is what I do.

Your thing. I do what I do. And, you know, I'm cool with it. And I'm happy to, like, you know, listen to music and not own it. Right. I'm not going to go be a professional golfer anytime soon. Exactly. I wish I was better at golf.

Yeah. But even then, I don't want to be a professional. No. No, but you'll see them down there. Yeah, but then you find that thing, your shoe. The shoe. And then it becomes your thing. Yeah, it's my, it is my thing.

What about in real life, though, as a human being? Like, do you have anything that you're chasing for yourself? God, it's getting late, honey. It's kind of late. I'm getting up there. Yeah. I mean, I'm getting up there. You know, I'm still in good shape.

I'm still, you know, doing my thing. getting late. It's getting late, you know, but I guess the big thing is, you know, being, uh, trying to raise kids, be a good dad. Yeah, good dad. That's a good thing. That's a really good thing. The thing is, though, there is no secret to that. You know, everybody could say whatever. Like, my father, you know, the stuff that I get from my dad, my dad died a long time ago. And, uh, I, I learn it. I get it today. Like, my father. You know, the stuff that I get it from my dad. Like, my dad died from my dad died from my dad died a long time ago. now in my last 20 years, oh, that's what my dad was talking about. So as a kid, I was an idiot.

I didn't know. Yeah, that's probably healing. What's he saying? I don't know what the fuck he's talking. But now I said, oh, shit, that's what my dad meant. Yes. So that's the gift sometimes. What did you think your parents would think if they saw what the world sees now,

those Steve Manon signs everywhere? I don't know. They'd be surprised, maybe. Think so? Yeah, you know, but the things you get don't often happen at that moment. And no one listens to their parents when they're 17 or 22. Yeah. You think you know everything and you just want to have fun and get high and whatever it is, you know.

Yeah. But they'd probably be proud. They would be proud. And I am so grateful for my parents now, the things that I, now that I'm able to use the stuff they gave me. Yeah. I get that. You've done pretty well, Steve. I don't know about all that, but we're trying.

You did. You did. Yeah. And I'm sure you have a lot of people who have a testament to what they've learned from you. And I'm hoping, hopefully today your story inspires. It's good to be on the show. Thank you, man. Thank you for today.

Is there any segment things that we need to do before we go? Thank you so much for your time today. You're a fucking rock star. Do you have a favorite shoe right now? Do you have, yeah, that's a great way. Yes. Do you have a favorite shoe? Do you have an all-time favorite shoe?

I do have, well, I have all, I have. I have a lot of shoes. Yes, I do. I like. Why do you hate those? You know, but I like, I like a lot of some of the boots that I'm making. I'm really into, yeah, that was bad.

Yo, when you show up for work and Steve Madden's your shoes are trash. No, no, but they're cool. They're fine. You know what I like? I love the look. Let me tell you the look I really love. I've been excited about it for a while. And just now it's bearing fruit

Is the look that girls are wearing dresses with boots Or skirts with the tall shaft boot And the leg So they're wearing a short skirt with the boot Or with a western boot. You know, cowboy boot with a short skirt is so funky I just love that look. Yeah.

You know, I do. It's such a great look. You don't have a favorite shoe of all time? Well, I mean, you know, I had so many shoes. You have so many great shoes. That's like an annoying-ass question. No, it's not annoying. People ask me all the time, what's your favorite interview of all time?

I'm like, it's impossible to say that. It's probably the same thing when somebody says, what is your favorite shoe? No, you know, I've had a lot of favorite shoes. I've had so many great shoes. The first time I made a sneaker was so exciting, a platform sneaker. First time I made a slipper. I made this big slipper, changed the slipper business. And everybody went on and made these shoes.

And I never made another slipper again. It was called it the Fuzzy. And it was great. But we made a lot of great boots. and now we're making like these, you know, this look, which is very sort of very sort of collagey kind of these short skirts with the boots. That's what you're into right now. I love that look.

Yeah. I think it's great. It's kind of like almost like they wear it in the spring. Yeah. You know, most, it's very sort of festivaly, I think. Yeah, yeah. They would call it. I love how much you love it.

I do. I've never been to. What's the big festival? Coachella? Coachella. Yeah. My daughter goes to me. I can't go to this.

But the fact that you still love designing that much is really. It's too hot. This festival is too hot. No, they really are. It gets so fucking hot. I went to coach. All right. Here's what we learned from Steve Madden today.

He's a fucking stickler for detail. He will find what the fuck is wrong with something. But he will also find the beauty of something. All right. Steve Madden, everybody. Yes. You're so fun. Yes.

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