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Episode Date: June 5, 2026

Comedian and Emmy award–winning actor, Wanda Sykes joins Angie Martinez to talk how she found out she was funny, working the comedy circuit in Washington D.C. on her way to the big screen in movies such as ‘Monster In Law’ and ‘Down To Earth,’ what she thought of ‘The Roast of Kevin Hart,’ and how she keeps her private life out of the public eye. Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuilt...All lines provided by ‪Hard Rock Bet#VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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my hand, Cheong. Thank you for this. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I went down to Wanda Sykes Rabbit Hole the other day. Okay. And I want to thank you. All right. Because I had a really good time. It's funny because I know you for so many years, watching your work for so many years, you just seem like this staple in our lives. But then I realized, I don't really know, like, but you're also private in a weird way.

Yeah. You walk this fine line of like, y'all know me. You know, you know, you. exactly who I am. Right. But also, y'all don't know shit. At the same time, I feel like you walk that line. I'm somewhat introverted also. Are you? Really?

How does that happen as a comedian? We are. We can, yeah. I think it's because we're always observing, you know? So we kind of like sit back and just watch instead of, you know, you know, running the room or whatever. So yeah, and I can get a little awkward too, I guess. It's social settings.

Really? Yeah, I do not like the schmooze and mingle and all that. I enjoy comedians so much on the pod because of that reason, exactly, because you are observers. And so you sit. Do you judge us? A little bit. You do.

I'm getting better with it. I'm trying not to, but. Yeah. The habit of that your job as a great comedian is to look around, point out the shit that we see, but we can't really wrap our minds around. But you're doing that all day every day, right? Somewhat. I mean, I can turn it off.

You can. Yeah, I can turn it off. But- Can you? I can. And I think that's why I like doing things like jigsaw puzzles. I have to have something else going on. To keep your mind.

Yeah, to keep my mind from, you know, looking around and- Because I would imagine living life like that all the time. It's good because you're like self-aware, you think things through, but also it keeps you in your brain all the time, right? Like your mind is like always working. Animal Pisces. What does that mean? Oh, Pisces were in our heads a lot.

All the time. All the time. Yeah. So when did this happen to you? Like, what age do you, like, at what point in your life as a child or a young person, do you think, does it come clear to you that this, that you're good at this? Yeah, I've been like this a long time. Yeah.

Your whole life. As a kid. I would get in trouble because of my mom said that I would talk too much, you know, and I think what she meant like as a kid, I would say things maybe out of turn. You had an opinion? I had opinions and also I was very observant. I would say things that would embarrass them. Like, you know, her friend would come over and I would, you know, tell her like her wig was crooked, you know, and stuff like that. And you're a kid?

Yeah, yeah. And they weren't going, your wig is crooked. Yeah, like, why is your part over here? You know, stuff like that. And it was embarrassing. So they would, whenever they had company over, they would send me over to my grandmother's. They didn't even want me in the house when they had company because they thought I was going to.

But yeah, that was like a little, you know, like a little time bomb. So they would send me away. But what is that? Is that natural or is that like environment or is that, I don't know, is that a God-given gift? Like I didn't have, I guess I didn't have a filter, you know, I was too young to know, oh, you're not supposed to say these things, you know. But people would laugh, I'm sure. Yeah, like to me, I had to set up with no punch lines. You know what I would just, give it to them straight. So after, you know, several spankings and all,

I had to, you know, then it got better. I guess I became more entertaining because they would pay me to go to my grandmother's instead of just, you know, punishment. Yeah. I was going to say, when did somebody say, you know what? Maybe there's some use for that. I guess like in high school, you know, I wasn't disruptive. in class, but they definitely would, you know, say like I was the class clown and, you know, and they would, you know, say, you should be on stage and things like that, but I didn't, I never thought of it like that. Because you know, did you probably didn't know anybody.

I didn't know anybody on stage, you know, some uncles, whatever, were preachers, you know, that's, you know, that was, that's about close to show business. Yeah. Yes. And then in college, the same thing. Wow. They, you know, people told me I was funny. But it wasn't until like I got-

But when inside did you say to yourself, like, hmm, maybe? I think when I was, I had a real job, I was working at NSA. And I just said, this is not what I'm supposed to be doing. I just felt it in my gut, like, I don't belong here. And I've heard about a talent show on the radio, right? Yeah. How scary. Yeah, and I said, comedy, you know, comedians.

And I said, you know what, I'm an amateur thing. I'm going to try it. And I wrote jokes, audition. They put me on the show and, uh. Killed it. Yeah, I didn't win. I had a great set. Yeah, I had a great set.

Tony Woods actually won. He would, you know. And, uh, wow. Yeah. And the host, Andy Evans, he, he was like, who are you? And I've never seen you at the comedy club or anything. What, you know. You were like, I work.

I was like, first time, yeah, I was like, yeah, I got a job, you know. And he said, well, no, you got to come out to the clubs. And that's when I started working on it. Amazing. Wait, so what were you doing at NSA? I was a contracting specialist. Basically, I was a shop. I bought stuff.

Yeah. And you were like, this sucks. Yeah. Or you liked it. Um, if for a job in the government at NSA, I did enjoy that job. But then, but after a while, I was like, this is not, this is not what I'm supposed to be doing. So you see this thing for this amateur comedy night. Uh-huh.

And nothing you, and you are scared about that or nervous? I didn't know any better. You know, I'd never been to a comedy club. But you, are you like, because you said you're like reserved, like a little, sometimes a little. Right. So to go out, like there's no fear, there's no like. Because I didn't know any better. You know, I didn't have, I didn't have all the information. I watched comedians on TV and, you know, they go on stage and they tell jokes and people laugh. That's all that I, that's the information I had. So I was like, okay, I'm going to go out here, tell jokes and people laugh.

And it happened. So I was like, okay, cool. It wasn't until I started going to the clubs and watching people bomb. And, you know, that's the fear kicked in like, ooh, this could be go horribly wrong here. Like, what am I subjected myself to? This is, I am nuts. Yeah. Nuts.

Yeah. And that's when, yeah, that's when the fear kicked in. And that's when I started having, you know, bombs, you know, doing bad shows. Isn't that funny how we do that? Like, the mind is so wild. Yeah. When you're, like, dumb and fearless. Yeah.

You're capable of greatness, like, anything because you're not scared. Right. Because to me, the idea of, like, getting on a stage and telling jokes and then all these eyeballs looking at you waiting for you to be funny is terrifying. Like to me, that would be so, I would be so scared out of the gate. But the fact that you were like, the book, who knows? I'll go try this out. Right. And the audience feels that. So the audience saw me on stage, like, oh, she's comfortable. She don't care. She don't care. So I can laugh. But when you're on stage and you're you know you're little little timid and they they sense that and they're like ah

it's nah okay so you're on the stage the first time and you're kind of killing it clearly yeah because everybody's right and who is she are you feet what's happening to you and that more are you feeling it or you like yeah the light bulb went on it's like oh this is what i'm supposed to be doing you knew i knew right away right wow that's a great people search their whole life they don't know what to do Right. You get that work homemade. And there it is. Yep.

And it all made sense. That must have felt amazing. It did. Until, you know, I go back to the club and bomb, then you're like, oh, maybe this is not, you know, but I stayed with it. So I said, no, this is, yeah. It didn't discourage you enough to stop. Right.

Mm-hmm. Right. So it all made sense. What were you joking about then? Oh, God. It was, you know, it was like Seinfeld type jokes. It was, you know, a lot of observations and, you know, Wow.

I remember the first joke was about the, remember that cardboard, the sunglasses, the auto shades, the thing you put it in your window. Yeah, yeah, it's a block the sun. Well, there's instructions on the side of it. So I'm like, who needs these instructions? You know, like, you can't figure out how this works? You know, like it tells you to remove it before starting your car. Like, really?

That's good. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Look at you writing jokes. Jokes. Jokes. Jokes. Leave the NSA job writing some jokes.

And that was how many years ago? Jesus. Oh, wow. That was what 90? No. God, that was 80. 80s? Yeah, I started my first time was like 87, 88.

87. Okay, so then they say, oh, she's good and you're going out, you're doing the shrews. That moment's a real moment in people's lives. People miss that moment too because the fear will kick in or the expectation will kick in and think about nowadays right you didn't have social media right you didn't have the fear of like i'm gonna go on that stage and people on my job are gonna see me on instagram ah yeah right and um i don't know i just think sometimes people don't even get the engine going because um fear they're crippled by fear yeah crippled by fear yeah and it's also the the um fear of like i said everyone the fear of failure

but sometimes it's just like they don't want to put the work in because i think But now things come so quickly, right? So, but back then, like I said, we didn't have all that. We had to go city to city and build the audience. Brick by brick. Yeah, break by brick. Wow. Yeah, and the part about that and taking that time is that you're honing your craft.

Right. You're learning how to do it. You're learning how to flop, what a flop feels like. Yeah. Yeah. What does that feel like though when you go out and it's not Oh, it's horrible, horrible feeling. You can't sleep.

You just, you think everybody knows, you know, you're like, yeah, I know, you saw that. People look like, what are you talking about? It's just horrible. Your food doesn't even taste right. You're like, it doesn't go away until you have a good show. And then you're back. So it's like an addiction in a way, you know? Yeah.

Do you feel like that becomes an addiction? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you got to have it. It's like, I got to get to the stage. It was nothing worse than bombing on like a Friday or Thursday. Because back then, you know, we only had open mics on, it was like Wednesdays and Thursday, sometimes Friday.

So if you bomb Friday, you couldn't get back on stage until Wednesday. So your weekend and everything was a shot, you can't, yeah. You probably have a bad move, whatever. Bad mood, everybody nasty. Yep. That's terrible. That is terrible. It's been a long time since you had one of those, right?

Well, yeah, it has been a lot. Or does that show up in different ways for you? Like now as a season comedian, you don't bomb, but just things maybe not work out the way you like. How do you handle if something doesn't? Ooh, like ticket sales. Yeah, like if that doesn't. Yeah, if you look out and it's like, man, they had to close the balcony.

It's like, oh, shucks, you know, it's kind of that same type of feeling. Yeah, that, that or sometimes, yeah, or if you like, I have a new bit and I'm like, oh, this is going to, this is really going to work. And it doesn't, you're like, oh, man. But I, it doesn't bother me as much because I, you know, I know I'm trying something new and I know how to fix it. And I know, you know, and so it's, to me, it's, it's, it's gross. So I kind of enjoy that. But yeah, right ticket sales are the things. Yeah, I'd imagine for everybody.

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I love her. But she talks about early in her career knowing that moment, same moment you're talking about. She had a moment like that. She did somewhere over the rainbow. And she put it out and everybody responded in this crazy way. And she was like, oh, man, this is, I think I'm actually good at this, like, whatever. But she said she went out and she got a standing ovation. And she says she's been chasing standing ovation since that time.

Like, she works for the standing ovation. standing ovation. Wow. So is that why the shoes started coming out? Yeah, maybe, probably. And she's 82 and I feel like she's still working for the standing ovation. And so part of that makes me feel like, oh, that's exhausting. But then also like, maybe that has something to do with why she's 82 and has so much life and so much joy and exuberance and passion still all that.

Because it's that thing, yeah, whatever the thing is that fuel, that fuel and that. Yeah, so I guess for you, it's the, is it the laughter? Is it the connection? Is it, I don't know, people feeling seen? You feeling like you did well? Like, what is the thing that you feel like? With the, definitely the laughter, but it's a, I can almost like, I can hear,

when I can hear like the relief or the release in the laughter. you know, like when you like they're laughing, but it's like, oh, I so needed this. I feel seed. Yeah, yeah. When I get that type of laugh, it's, yeah, that feels great. Yeah. Because it's, you know, it feels like I'm giving them medicine, you know. Oh, that's good.

And they really release. It's like, all right, cool. This is. You're welcome. Yeah. You're welcome. Especially now under the way, and you have always like politics and the state of the world has always been part of your conversation. And I think that is one of the, it's just one of the hardest things for people to deal with right now.

Everybody's confused. What kind of world is this? Right. What is happening to our country? There's so much fear, frustration. It's depression. Yeah. There's people, all that shit is, and you don't even know how to talk to people anymore.

Right. It's like scary. It's scary to have conversations. And I feel like you go out there on that front line and you, you, crack a joke about it. Yeah. Which people, I mean, they want it. And I had a hard time with that as far as like how much of it to, you know, for it to be in the show.

You know, I did have to have to like really like think about that because at one point it was like, is this too much? You know, because we're just bombarded with this crap all day. Do they want to just laugh about, you know, silly stuff or do they want to actually handle this real truth, you know, what's going on? And I noticed that when I would just go, you know, hey, you know, we know everything sucks. So let's just, you know, let's just have some fun that I would see in their faces. It's like, no, that's not, this isn't what you do, Wanda. This is, no, we want, we want what you do. Talk about, let's talk about it.

And then I would, some shows I would really just go off. And then I can see their face like, okay, now let's move on. You're doing too much now, let's move on. Right. You know, so I had to find that balance. Yeah. But people really do appreciate it. that you know yeah because it's like like you said it's like a release of like oh god I've

been holding all that stuff inside yeah and then how do you release then is it part of release for you it is it is and but I have to find that that space of okay is this funny you know because that you could go easily go on a rant and there's no joke so it's like okay unless you find a joke you know you you You can't talk about it. You got to, it has to be a joke. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sure everybody's asking you about the Kevin Harvost. That's been the topic of conversation. Right. Is when, like, when is it okay to say certain things? Right. Uh. In the frame of a joke, right?

And so. It's got to be funny. Is that the rule for you? It's got to be funny. Mm-hmm. It's got to be funny. Yeah. was not funny.

Not funny. It was such a stretch, such a reach. But I'm going to be honest, I don't think a lot of that shit was funny. A lot of it was not funny. I didn't think that's a fat bitch was funny. I didn't think you're a whole was funny. It's not even jokes. I didn't think any of that shit was funny.

A lot of it was not, I'm like, that's not a joke. And I thought a little bit of a dark sense of humor. Like, I could go dark. Me too, yeah. You know what I said? You can say some low shit, but it's funny. Right. But I think everybody has their own.

lines of like what's okay for you or not. It was just a lot of lazy, you know, just about being black and just racist and just a lot of lazy shit. It's like, come on, it's a rose. Be funny. Do better. Do better. Yeah. Do better.

It's tricky because, you know, we want Kevin to do well. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Make, come on, there's so much you can joke on Kevin, you know. Right. You would have some good Kevin jokes.

Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, come on. Kevin is, he just needs attention. He wants attention. He's, he would do an ad for the hunter virus. He would. There's plenty of places to go, guys.

I mean, come on. Would you let somebody roast you? No. Right? I don't need it. I don't care. You know? No, but it's just so brutal.

Even the one, even the Justin Bieber one I saw and the Tom Brady one. Right. And I think, why do people, why would you sit in that chair? Right. And here's the thing, I have friends for that. That they do that to you? Yeah, I have good friends that roasts. That roasts.

Keith Robinson, I mean, 15 minutes with him. I'm like, okay, all right, that's enough, you know. It's, yeah, but it's, they can roast me. They love me. Yeah. So my friend, they know things about me. They can roast me. That's good. But a bunch of strangers and some just average white boys come up and say shit to me. Oh, we was, they would still be pulling me off of Tony Hitchcliff right now. You know what I'm saying? I wear that ass out. I'm not, no, you're just not going to call me out my name for no. Has that ever

happened to you? Has any, have you ever had to like check somebody at a show or, because comedians sometimes they could cross a line. You know what? I don't even, I don't even like do the back and forth. Because people, you know, and I tell them, look, people ain't paid their money to come in here to hear you, heckle-in- me. This bullshit you're doing, you know. So I shut them down real quick and then they, you know, want to keep going, then I just get them out of there.

Yeah, smart. Yeah. Yeah. But even like in their crew, like you say you have friends that are roast you. Right. Or backstage, you have the community. all the comedians is talking shit. Like you've never had to like, I don't know, like check somebody like or.

But it's comedy, you know. Yes. Oh, so you could take it. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. You're not like, see, I don't know if I'm built for that. You know what I say? Right. I could take a joke. Yeah.

But I have a little line in the sand. Okay. And so I, even in my career, because you know, up and be around guys all the time, right? And so, and I could talk shit with guys, I could gamble, you know. But every now and then, a couple of times I've had to be like, hey, don't do that. Right. Is that? Oh, yeah. You know, like, oh, yeah.

Yeah. And then they're like, wow, I thought it was, uh, uh, right, you know, but every now and then, people will cross the line. Oh, yeah. And I could only imagine in your world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, put them in their place. You've had that happen. Yeah. You've got to let them know. It's so funny, like, especially in, um, in, in the, you know, in the queer community, like, I had to check, check some, some gay guys.

What do you mean? Because they just, they just, a little bit too, you know, a little bit too loose with the bitch, you know. Oh, they're going bitch. Yeah. Bitch. You're like, I'm like, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not, I'm only going to be like two bitches.

You get two bitches. And then we're going to have a problem. I'm a 62-year-old black woman. I ain't going to be your little bitch. Don't, mm-mm. You got like two at all? Yeah, I got two in me. I got two, I got two bitches and that's about it.

Really? Uh-huh. I say, so use them wisely. You better make them count. That's really funny. I was like, mm-mm. Even if it's with love. Even with it's with love, I'll imagine.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You got two. And you get two. That's really funny. Oh, Wanda. That's really good.

You're very open to in your specials about your life, your marriage, your children, you being the only black woman in your household. The challenges that that presents for you. That's right. But there was something positive too that you said, oh, was it? about playing about yeah you know growing up was always you know stop playing stop playing yeah but you play too much you play too much but would you learn from your white family they play all the time playing is okay yeah sometimes white people play all the time i'm like damn y'all play a lot they just make up shit just playing i'm like and it would annoy me like what hey hey hey come on

I'm just, can't y'all just sit still? You know, at the dinner table, they just playing. Ding, ding, and ding. I'm like, hey. We just eat our meal. It bothers you. It bothers me. And they're like, oh, come on, what?

I'm like, okay, that's right. There's nothing, no one's getting hurt. We're having a good time. So we, yeah, we play. You've learned that from your family. From my family. How's it going, though? Are you like, have you made progress?

Yes. Can you play? I can play. I can play. when it gets too much, then I leave the room and they crack up. You know, they just start laughing. She can't play it. It's like, look, I knew she wouldn't take it.

I knew she couldn't take it. But yeah, it's, it's interesting because they don't have to think about things, you know? Like we were going to walk and I'm staying on the path, you know, and they just can just wander off. And I'm like, you're not supposed to be a walk. over there. People were on the path. That's why they made the path. And they just wandering off, you know.

Free. Free. But they just have that freedom. It's like a whole life that you've created for yourself where you can constantly learn, analyze, see the differences and experiences. Yeah. You're right, because it was so funny. I was at my son plays tennis.

And he had a match and the courts, they didn't have any bleachers or whatever. So like most tennis, and I noticed, like he was on this side of the court. So I wanted to watch him, you know, from behind so I can watch his see what his swing is doing. And but no one was over there. So I was like, oh, I guess, you know, maybe you're not supposed to sit on that side. you know, where the grass is. So I'd just stand on the other side. So after he said, did you get any video of me from the back?

I said, no, I said, I wanted to go over there, but I didn't see anybody, you know, over there. So I didn't think you were allowed. He was like, what? Like, it was like I wasn't even speaking English. He was like, what? Allowed. He said, what do you mean?

I said, what it wasn't, so I didn't see anybody over there. So I didn't think, he was like, but why would you think? And he was like, I don't understand. I was like, I forgot. You are a way. You're a white man. You don't understand. I said, I got a whole thing in my head. You know, everyone go over there and somebody say, hey, you know, I never want somebody to tell me, you're not supposed to be a piece from it. Yeah. So, and he just, he just was like,

doesn't understand. Like, his head was going to explode. Like, what the, what? It's amazing. It's weird. It's weird that I think that about things like that, but yet, I'll go on stage and say whatever the fuck I want to say. I don't, like, make it. that's why I enjoy it because you people can't tell me what you know I'm not allowed to do yeah that's freedom yeah how does the family manage you going on stage and sharing so much of this how does that what the dynamic of that my kids are now at the age where they would rather not be in the show my wife uh Alex she loves being in the show she loves it as long as I'm nice to her or on the show

You preserve her smoking cigarettes, but she doesn't smoke. She doesn't smoke. It's just how I see her. Just, yeah. That's really funny. Yeah. But, you know, as long as I'm not dissing her or anything, she loves being in the show. She's a good sport.

She's a great sport. And you've been married, how many years? Oh, wow. A lot. Well, we met in 2006, so we've been together for like 20 years. Wow. Married, it'll be 18. Yeah.

Were you married before? You were married before? Yeah. Two marriages. No. One. I was married. Yeah. Right. If you were married before and you're married now. Oh, I thought you said, did I have two marriages before this one? No, you've had two marriages. Two marriages. Yes. Yes. You had a husband. I had a whole husband. And now you have a whole wife. A whole wife. And I mean, obviously the wife is better. Yeah. This, that works. I was trying something with the husband. I was trying to make it work. I was trying. You're like, let me see some.

I'm sorry, let me try this. And that didn't work. How fast did you know though? Like, no. What were you trying to try? Like, what were you trying to prove something to you? No, I mean, I mean, um, I, you know, I had always dated guys. Yeah.

And so I guess, yeah, it was just, you know, it wasn't in my mind like, ooh, I shouldn't be doing this. You know, it was, I didn't, yeah. I said, okay, I can make this work. It was just, it was just a bad relationship. Well, then that doesn't work. Yeah. Exactly. It doesn't matter.

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't, yeah. Bad relationship is not going to work. It didn't scare you enough to not want to try that again. Because sometimes divorced people just stay divorced. They're like, marriage is not for me. Yeah. Whatever.

It's just, it's hard to get up for some people. Yeah, but you know, you fall in love and it just makes sense. I didn't think I wanted kids, you know, but it just got amazing. She wanted kids. Yeah. And you made the decision to like, yes. Yeah. a family with this person. Yeah.

What is it then? What is the thing that you got right this time, that you got wrong last time in terms of being a wife and, I don't know, making a marriage work. Like, I'm sure you've had to learn. I guess, yeah, just growth and it just made sense. She was just, you know, your person. Your person? Yeah. Yeah, it just made sense. And you were younger the first time, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was in my 20s, so. I mean, does anybody know how to be? Yeah, I don't know, yeah, you know anything. Do 20-year-olds know how to be married? No.

I don't know. Maybe, you know. Maybe somebody does. I for sure wouldn't have known how to be married in my 20s. God, no. I barely knew how to be myself in my twice. Right. Yeah.

You're still trying to figure it out. Mm-hmm. You just had a number two. You just had a, you're 602? 62. How's 60s? How do you feel about that? Gassy.

Gassy. Gassy. Gassy. That is the headline? That's what I'm getting out of 60s. I'm 55 a lot of gas. This is not, I need. I'm just letting you know.

I need more. I need a little positive. No, 60s, it's. Come on, give me the good stuff. The good stuff is, if you're doing it right, you know more about yourself. You know what's your, you know, what you can take and, you know, what you'll put up with. You don't, you don't settle. Yeah.

You've, you know, you've done this long enough. You know. Yeah. It's like now when I say I don't want to do something, I'm I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it and I feel okay about that. That's great. Yeah. I think I'm there. I'm almost there. You almost there? I'm like a close. I'm there. Right. Because somebody I care about feelings hurt. I still have a little like oh, right, right. But you because I think we understand how how precious time is. That part, right? Yeah, for sure. And especially like I see like my my, my, my, my, friends and you know and I'm going through it also with like older parents and you have to you know be available for for for them and I'll see your time is precious they don't prepare they don't prepare us for that in life and not at all yeah having to take care of our parents yeah are you taking care of both right now um well I mean my my my dad you know he's physically you know everything's there but just mentally you know

Short-term memories is gone. But my mom, she's his, his main caretaker. But they also, you know, live with my brother and his wife. So they, you know, they're, they have people. But I, you know, have to make sure I can also be involved and get down there and spend time with them. Because I also enjoy, you know, enjoy spending time with them. I take my mom out to the casinos, give her a little break and all. So, yeah, yeah, that's fun.

Yeah, yeah, that's fun. That's fun. So, yeah. No, but it's real. It's a, it's a thing that they don't prepare us for. No. Because financially it's a thing, just their well-being, caring for an adult. It's like, you don't think about the fact that we have to do that in all that.

It's tricky. Yeah. But God bless that they're still here and you can do that. And gambling sounds like a great time. That's like, what a blessing to be able to do that. All right. I'm going to go to the cards, Wanda. Okay.

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Shepardshire? Hey, Ms. Wanda. My name is Brittany Jay and I'm a comedy writer who's just starting out in stand-up. I recently had the opportunity to open up for my boss. The first night went really well. I had them cackling, honey. But the second night, there were people like walk into their seats during the whole set. And I couldn't tell if people just weren't rocking with me or if they were just too many distractions. So I'm not a shy, like I'm not shying from the people, but with stand up, I feel like they're just staring at you like make me laugh right now. So it's kind of stressful to me. And it's a practice set, right? So I'm not really sure how to finagle. So my question is when you were starting out, if a room wasn't really responding, did you pivot in real time to

try to win them back or did you stick to the set and just rework it later? And how do you know when the set is actually ready to perform? Huh. Okay. There's a long as a long, yes. That's a long, yes, tired. I lost she lost me like three. I know. Okay. So what is the gist of the question? I was going to say that's the the gist of the question is. You pivot midway through when they're not rocking with it or just keep going with this right. Do you stay in a set?

Right. Well, I think she, I mean, she answered her question in that long-ass question. You know what I'm saying? She's too, she's distracted. She's talking about the audience. You gotta get to the point faster. I don't get to the point faster. That's number one.

It's edit. You have to edit. And that's what I can tell by her question. Get to the point. Get to the point. So, yeah, if there's, if the room, there's a lot of distractions, you have to let the room settle. So instead of going right to material, have some things to warm up.

Everybody okay? You know, you got to get their attention, get their attention before. Be present. Yeah. Yeah. And I would imagine pivoting is... It's part... Yeah, that's part of it.

If something's not working... You pivot. Yeah. You don't... It's not working. You're going to dig deep. No, no, no, no, no, down this hill. Yeah, I'm going in.

No, no, you got to pivot. You got to pivot. Yeah. You can work the room. Right. It's like a good DJ. The song doesn't work. You got to go to the song.

Exactly. Get to the hook and go to the next song. That's right. Yeah, no, we got three more minutes on this. Let me up. Is that your number one, like when young aspiring comedians, what is your go-to advice for somebody who's starting in this space? Everybody's a comedian.

The social media, you have an Instagram page and you can be a... I always tell them to write. It's about the, you know, you have to have the material. You could be naturally funny. What are you saying? And also, the comics that I love, you learn something about them, you know, or when you walk away, you feel like, I kind of like know how this person operates. And you can remember something about them. You can go someplace and a person is hilarious.

And then you walk out and go, I have no idea what they said, but it was hilarious. You know, it's making me laugh, but, you know, it's no takeaway. You want people to leave with it. A piece of you almost, right? Right. Or feel like they know you. And be able to tell someone one of the jokes. That's really good.

Something they can remember. How do you do that? Like what is that process, even this legacy special, like, when you're about to start writing, do you start with like what's on your heart, what's in the world, what's that even, what's that process like? It's usually what's in the world. I start there. And then it's, you know, what's going on with me. But I, you know, I tour for like at least two years before.

Working it out. Yeah. Before it becomes a special. Do people always expect you to be funny? Yes. Is that annoying? Yes. Yeah.

Because you're not like a yuck, yuck, a comedian. I am not. And it's the thing that really got to me was the whole Larry David thing, because now people think I'm this, you know, crazy woman who just yells at you. So I would get that a lot. I would get that a lot in airports. People coming up to me, want to cuss me out. Why?

What? Really? Come on. My mom's on the phone. Tell her go fuck herself. What is wrong with you? Fuck is wrong with you. And I end up yelling at them anyway because they, you know,

because they annoyed me. Like, why? That's not who I am. What's wrong with you? What should people know about who you are versus the difference of like the comedian, Wanda Sykes and the in real life, Wanda Sykes? Is there a separation? Yeah, Wanda Sykes on stage really, you know, gives no fucks. Me, yeah.

I think a lot of empathy. I do care. I care. You care? Yeah. Aw. Yeah. You're sensitive.

You're sensitive in there. I'm a Pisces, I told you. I love that. All right, let's do some in real life questions. In real life, what are you most proud of about your career? What you've been able to accomplish? I'm, my career, um, longevity, and I like how it's the climb.

It's not, you know, it's no, it didn't shoot up to the top or anything. It's just steady work and growth and I still challenge myself, you know, still push. Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. And I still love it.

You do still love it? Yeah. As much? Yep. Wow. Yeah. Is there any dark sides to it or anything that's not fun for you that you have to push through?

I think now it's a reflection of where we are in the country, I think. That's the part. Yeah. Yeah. Because before, you know, we could laugh at each other. I could do a joke about, you know, George Bush or whatever. And even Republicans or whatever, they would find it funny. You know, it was like, like, okay, that's funny.

But, you know, I don't agree. I don't agree with it. But it's funny. Yeah, that doesn't even exist. That doesn't exist anymore. We're just so just, just utterly, just divided and it's ugly and a lot of racism. It's just rampant. It takes some of the fun out of it too?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because there's no like, I don't know, there's just one side can't see the other side at all. It's not even like, I don't even see the humor in your side. Right. That makes it less fun, I'm sure, for somebody like you. make poke fun at things and you can't even laugh at it.

Mm-hmm. Come on, guys. What about the difference between acting and doing stand-up? Because you've done so many movies. Right. And even in your movies, there's always, I don't know, I feel like you come into the movie with the way you, your style, and it's so unique to you that it always adds. Like even in, I saw recently Monster Law, and you're so Wanda Sykes in it.

And it works so good and it's so different than how anybody else would have played that character. Like you really bring a uniqueness to when you step into a film. I just wonder if that's just natural or... It's, well, it's, I think, why I get the part, you know. Yeah. It's what they want. They want the Wanda Sykes type. I was like, well, I guess that's, you know, let's just get Wanda Sykes, you know.

I should get in there. I should get in there for that. Right. Do you like that as much? Is it still, standup is still your baby, right? Stand up is still, that's still my baby. That's where it all started, you know. It's still the most challenging.

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There's a bowl here. Okay. Okay, go. Sorry, in real life bowl. All right. What's one item on your bucket list that you want to check off next? Do you have a bucket list? I have a little bucket list.

Okay. I want to go to China. Oh. Yeah. Why there? I've been to Japan. I love Japan. I'm obsessed.

I love Japan. I just came back, actually. a month ago, it's the best. The food, everything, the culture, everything. I always say about Japan, it's like, um, it's like if New York cared about it itself. You know what I'm saying? Like, if we-

That is perfect. Right? That's how it feels like, you know, people leave, if it's raining, you could just take an umbrella. People are clean up the, they clean up after themselves. There's no trash, they're polite. Yes. And the subway, you get somebody just want to rush, so you just, everybody just steps to the right.

Come on. You can just, you know. I went on the subway, the, the seat is like material. I was like, if this was in New York, there'd be holes, it'd be stains. Yeah. Because we don't care. Right. Those beautiful toilets they have, I mean, lovely.

Lovely. So why can't we be better? Better, better. Why can we do that? I could live there. I could live in Japan. Easy. Yeah, I could too.

Easy. Easy. Well, my, who told me? George Wallace, we were talking about Japan. He said, no, go to China. He said, if you go to China, he said, it would make Japan look like New York. He told me that.

He said, go to China. He said, go to China. So why can't you go? I will. You do well for yourself. I can do okay. Plan a trip to China. I will.

I'm someone playing a trip to China. That's what I'm going to do next. Okay, in real life, what? How often do you think about your legacy? How often do I think about my legacy? Yeah. You know what? Only time I think about it is when a project is presented to me and I'm on the fence if I want to do it or not.

You know, I go, do I need this? I need this in my life? What is this going to do? Am I kids going to see this eventually? You know, so that's when I think about it. What you're leaving behind? Yeah. Yeah.

What are your real life? pet peeves. My real life pet peeves. Or triggers. Could be a trigger too. Lopster mac and cheese. Whenever I see lobster mac and cheese on a menu, I'm like, I don't want to eat here. Why? Because it shouldn't exist. It's not a thing. Lopster mac and cheese is not a thing. When I see lobster mac and cheese, it makes me think, one, you don't know how to make mac and cheese. Then you need to put a lobster in it. And you're ruining lobster. Mm-hmm. Putting all that cheese on it. Yeah, that annoys me.

You know how many places have lobster mac and cheese? I know. And it's trash. Lopster mac and cheese is trash. Okay. In real life, what is something that you are still chasing, something that you still must accomplish while you're here? Wow. Is there something still? I've done so much. I don't think there's anything I'm like chasing.

Yeah. Yeah. Nothing. Is that peace? Is that what peace looks like? I think that's, I think it's maybe, I don't know about peace. Gratitude and I just, and it's just the belief of I know what, what's for me, I will get it. So, yeah.

I just let it just let it come to me. What do you pray for most? When I pray for most, I guess health and protection of my kids. Yeah, I mean, like health in general for everyone. I would imagine that you have great pride. You mentioned that you saw my Queen Latifah interview recently. And just how out loud you've lived your life and, I mean, as a Black woman, as a woman, as a woman in comedy, as a, as a, as a, like, I don't feel like you represent

so many things and you've done it so kind of matter-of-factly. No, really. Just like, not a lot of hoopla, not a lot of, you just, I don't know, you just walk around kind of comfortable in your skin and I just wonder how much of that is like a sense of pride for you and who you've been able to represent for and put on for. I mean, yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I am. I think about it. And yeah, I just like to just be, just, you know. Yeah, because it wasn't, but things weren't like this. No, before. No. But I mean, also that's growth when you, when you are comfortable in your own skin.

And I just find that being authentic, it's just, it's just, It's so much easier. I don't need that stress trying to be someone else or, you know, worrying about what other people have and what I don't have. No, it's, you know, it's like this is the way it's supposed to be. Was that always the case, or did you have to find that? I think I had to find that. Yeah. And that comes, I think that comes with faith also.

You know, my faith in God. I think that's that definitely grounds me. And it's an easier way to live, right? So much easier. You know, we get that wrong though, until we don't. Right. That's why when I see somebody living just, you live your life, like it's, you know, it's good to see. You know what I mean?

I think a lot of people, they struggle, you know, people struggle with that, especially now where their opinions on every turn. Living in your truth, it's not always an easy thing or taken for granted, you know, I mean, take it for granted that people can do that. So yeah, so you represent well, Wanda. Oh, thank you. All right, let's just go to the last question. It's my favorite in the ball. If God were to text you right now,

well, I'm excited about what you're saying for this. If God were to send you a text right now to your phone, Wanda, what would it say? I think it would say, oh, you know, it would say, you might want to, read your Bible a little bit more. I think that's what he would say. Like, hey, put that wordle down.

How about turn to Romans? How about read a little bit in Romans? And put that wordle down, you know. That's a good message. Yeah. It's a very specific and good message. Yeah. Wanda Sykes in Real Life, everybody.

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