Joe and Jada - AZ talks ‘Doe or Die 3,’ legacy of ‘Illmatic,’ Jay-Z vs. Nas era & shady hip hop industry stories

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by AZ, the Brooklyn MC and hip hop legend, to celebrate the release of his new album ‘Doe or Die III.’ AZ breaks down how the project came together around the 30th anniversary of 'Do or Die,' tells Joe and Jada about his reunion with Nas on Mass Appeal, their iconic collaboration “Life’s a B***” off ‘Illmatic’ (a song that Joe says had him worried for his career), and the “Mo Money Mo Murder (Homicide)” video shoot that had Nas and Jay-Z hanging out before their industry-shaking beef kicked off. The three also drops gems of industry knowledge, breaking down how, as Jada’s “Why?” song starts, the rap labels are designed the keep the artists in debt. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! Merch is here! https://joeandjadashow.com/ All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Basically, you get four bars of life for big. Just four. Just give me four bars. Let me hear, Joe. No, no, I fuck everything up. I'll fuck up my own. You don't want me. Life and actuality.

Fuck who's the baddest, it's person status. Tenderthaltery. And my mentality is money-orientated. What? Let's go, crap. That's the closest he got to them. I'm proud of you.

It's the motherfucking dog on the guard of this shit right here. Bow down, nigga. Joe Crack. You know who it is your boy, Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we got the pressure on. And we're going to continue on stepping on.

Your esophaguses. He said, your man, Bill Barr said nobody wants beef with us. Bill Burke, he said, yo, you beefing with no, you beefing with air, Joe. Yeah, that's you. No, I watched that episode. The niggins said, yo, you beefing with, yo, Joe. He said, Joe, why are you coming to podcast looking for beef with all the podcasts? He said, nobody got beef with you.

I said, yo, man, I just, that's it. I'm about to be eating smoke. Smoke. I need some shit. Check it out. When you think of today's guest, he's another good friend of ours. And don't let that go over your head because I know you want to be a part of in amongst the elite. But you can't.

You think of today's guest, you think what it truly means to be an MC. Don't I mean? Not just someone who wraps, but someone who commands the craft. Think about what I'm telling you, y'all. from being the first voice you heard on one of the greatest albums ever created of all time to carving out a solo legacy

that stands on his own without question if you know you know this man has never had to chase anything because everything came to him through sheer skill and discipline the street certified them hip-hop crowned him he's back with Doa Dodd 3

one of the most underrated one of the most smoothest one who knows how to get low come back get the Dove then get low again he specializes it Talk slow for the niggas in the back Completing the trilogy that only a real one could finish Put some respect on his name

Ladies and gentlemen AZ's and a Beautiful intro, man. Beautiful intro. Appreciate it. Appreciate you for coming to the realness. Yes. So what Kist is alluding to, I'm sorry for cutting.

No, go ahead, brother. You can do a very good job. This platform is tailor-made for guys like you. I was just telling them. That's what it. Yeah, this shit is tailor-made. You know, a lot of others of shock jocks and all that. They with the bullshit.

The real stops here. That's real. It gets respected. So you're looking at, A.Z went to four podcasts. I know your team telling you to promote. They're going to stop at this one. Say, yo, what the fuck Joe Crack and Kiss? Top five got to say about the God A.Z.

This is where hip-hop stops and it's tailor-made for you. I'm going to tell you right now, I love everybody. It's not too many people I'm honored to have on the platform. I'm truly honored to have you on here. When he's explaining, there's just no way to explain it, right? So, same 2,000 years from now, we don't know if the aliens is here or something, but they're going to come down and say there was a genre created by oppressed people. It was called hip-hop music, and they're going to talk about that,

the omatic, and they're going to talk about A-Z. That's how big this is. So I'm overstanding your presence and what you have done for hip hop It's unexplainable with shit Like you know how we go and look at the pyramids and shit like that You in the pyramid of hip hop That's a lot right there, that's a lot I'm telling you the truth

I know what the fuck I'm talking about You know what I'm saying? You're in the fucking pyramid, man You're like You know, it's fucking A-Z you know There's no way to explain there's no way to define you on a rap level

because you was light years ahead of everybody since day one since we heard you and by the way this album this shit phenomenal thank you yeah I peeped it last night and I peeped the first thing this morning this album right

here is done perfect and there's a lot of ways you could take it you know what I mean so you say there's a huge JZ interview where he was saying, you know, older guys need to be talking about older shit, this and this and that, or whatever the case.

I feel like this album, you stood true to who you are. Me, I'm one of the older guys to sell drugs on my music, shoot, your mom's all. I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? I'm not acting my age. I don't. As real. I'm not acting my age, but I understand

what he said, and the thing that's so perfect about this album, you think of rock groups, YouTube, Journey, everybody, when you buy their shit, it sound like you at that same concert in Woodstock

or something like that. When I get your album, this one right here, that's what I want to hear, AZ did. That shit was perfection. Appreciate you. Every joint on there felt like, all right, I'm with AZ, yeah,

that shit crazy right there. Like I told my wife, I said, get ready, we're going to drive in the car to this shit when I get back home because this shit feels too good. I got on the sound system. I want to hear this shit in the car, driving around.

This shit is a vow from A to Z. So salute on that because everybody can't. You know, a lot of our icons and pioneers fell off when they got our age. Let's just keep it a buck. You definitely ain't lose one flow, one bar, no nothing. Your shit is A1.

How do you come together with doing this album like this to perfection. What made you say, y'all, I'm picking these beats. I'm gonna do this. I mean, I didn't think I was gonna get the response like that.

Not from you, per se, or from the peoples, but I was working on the album prior. And then I realized the 30th anniversary was coming out. I was just gonna, you know, put lyrics, the same lyrics with different beats.

I started that. I reached out the kids. Appreciate you. doing a give me yours with Esco. He did that. I did whole happy Jackie. And then it just started growing his own life. You know what I mean?

And I just stepped into that zone right there. Yeah. Man, that Jackie is right. The beats the selection is crazy. Yeah. And niggas gave you one. Oh, yes. Esco, yes.

I needed that. Felt good. It felt great. No. It felt like a reunion right there. Yeah, yeah, but I've been seeing the reunion. I got Instagram. Like, I've been, yeah, right?

Right? It's like, we know that's your man forever, but lately, I don't know if you got a little casino money or something. You're all in the picks. I'm like, yo, what's up? What's going on? The resurgence? I don't know what's going on. I see, I love it.

You're like, you got to get out the house, man. Come on, let's go. Yeah, he's right. Yeah, he was time. He hit me with a text like, now and never. That was last year. And I was like, okay. I didn't know what that meant.

But, you know, he kept me with him on the shows, and he made it happen. How proud are you of nods? I don't know if niggas are asking you that same question everywhere you go. Or me, I follow the money. Joe Crack all about the money. And that money trail right now. Yeah.

Phenomen. So how proud are you when you, you know, Queensbridge projects? I'm inspired. Birth. Niggas is eating four chickens. You can win French fries. Now you're a man building casino. What's that like for you to see with your own eyes and be in the inner circle?

Yeah, I'm inspired because I remember the conversations of, I just want to put an album out, one album. Then from there, like, I'm going to go platinum one time. I just want one man to. Now we're here. I've seen it, you know, and he's moving faster than I'm, you know. I was moving. I'm just peeping the style.

So when I hit a pothole, I set back, he kept going. That's inspiration all day. You know, you're just a fly niggott. You know, we got names for niggas like you. You know what I'm saying? I never seen you without a fresh cut, without a fly fit, driving whatever's new. Mine in your fucking business in the supermarket,

is niggas like you. You know what I'm saying? They're very rare. That's bad. No, it's almost like Method Man and belly. Remember, he comes through with the Averacks I'm flying from state to state. You're one of them niggins in real life.

That's a fact. That's a fact. I appreciate it. No, you one of them, I never got to worry about A-Z. Every time I ever bump in to him, he got the new foreign shit. He fly your crack. What's up, my nigga, y'all? Smooth and moving.

I'm out the way, man. Smooth and move. I'm trying to stay out the way. That's impressive. Yeah. Because we've seen some of the great. of the greats. Some of the niggas we knew,

I was seeing the nigger. I knew beat the feds four times. He was the realest nigga I ever seen in my life get on Instagram. And man, he got caught up in to suck my dick. Fuck you. Like, he was like,

and he's responding to, and I'm like, damn, he lost a little strike from like being the everlasting legend of life. I'm like, damn, man. And he wasn't ready for the young Instagram.

and all. Like, you never got into that shit. I watched it. I'm not going to get that, but I watched from a far. Like you should, right? Yeah, so you know what's going on. You just like...

Yeah, I see it. Yeah, I see the shit. Man, it ain't for everybody. But your shit is like, you know what I'm saying? It's smooth. You mind your business. Right. You out the way. You come out when you want to.

Do you know, right? Because we don't know, right? We all kids. We grew up with nothing. And I don't know about kids. but I still ain't got what I want and I still keep working for it working towards it

you know how legendary does it sink into you when we say shit like y'all legendary there are me nah I don't sink in not at all it don't stay focused

stay away from the conversation I don't talk that much y'all got to talk I don't talk that way I need it He won't stop. Let him. I'll try to let you speak. Niggas just throwing tomatoes at me at the barbershop.

Yo, let the guard speak, nigga. Shut the fuck up, your crap. That's in Memphis, that's in Compton, that's in New York. They ain't already shitting on me already. Yo, Joe won't let the guard speak. What the fuck, my nigga, like, that's what I'm see? You already know when it's a real moment. You need a real bottle.

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It was 30 years later. 9-5, I just got in the game like, what's going on? I didn't know what was going on. It was new to everybody. That life's a bitch first got me into, got me to deal from there. I was new to it, you know what I mean? And I learned from there. We learn from here.

Four bars of life forbid. Just four. Just give me four bars. Let me hear, Joe. No, no, I'll fuck everything up. You're talking to the wrong nigger. I'm going to fuck up my own one. You don't want me.

Life and actuality. Fuck, who's the baddest, person status, tender thalery, and my mentality is money-orientated. What? Let's go, crap. That's the closest he got to them. Just so I'm proud of you. He did it.

Man. That shit. Damn, boy, that's all. Master Pill. You got, this project tied to Massapel? Oh, yeah, Quiet Money Music, Master Pill. I knew, yeah, it was a partnership, but I knew it was, you know, Nye's home. It felt good.

Like I said, like a reunion. It was easy. No doubt. Yeah. I see what's going on over there, MasterPill. Oh, yeah, you're trying to do everything. What the fuck that mean? What are you always trying to say some, and you trying to get in on there?

Are you? Are you? Are you seeing what's going on? That's the, that's the, you know. We can talk. Perhaps they called me already. I don't you know what they call me? That's the perfect fit.

They're doing shit over there. They are. They understand our texture and what kind of music that we do. And they're doing partnership. They ain't signing nobody. It's not like you're getting signed. It's like a distribution. Right, right.

So you own your own. Right. Oh, yeah, 2 and D. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's the best bet right now anyway, you know what I'm saying? It's the only way right now. I feel like when people hold, whole, like, you know, this industry's a terrible industry. So it's like, when you see salt and pepper fighting for their masters, you see this shit, 30-year pushes. De la. De la. Everybody fighting for their shit is like slavery all over again.

So the only way to be is your own boss. Especially somebody like you, we're going on the 30-year-fand anniversary. You don't need no label for nothing. It's kind of all partnerships. But I've been independent like 04, because of it. So wasn't doing that much, but I had to keep it rolling. And he's seen it.

Like, listen, here's the life rest. Come on. No doubt. Well, you deserve that. You deserve everything to be. honest with you. You know, it ain't too many, Nas is lucky, right? Because there ain't too many people you can sit

across the chair from that you started with. You know what I mean? And you can look at them and know their true intentions and know like, yo, we here now, but that's my man, A-1 since day one. And he's loyal, like a motherfucker. That's, in this world, in this life, to have loyalty, is fucking priceless.

And let me tell you something, it don't always work. I got a phone call today driving down here. One of my men's was like one of my brothers, like a nods at you. He was like, yo, something about to come. I need you to stand firm by my... I said, I thought we was over that shit.

Nigger, we 50-something. He's like, nah, I need you staying firm, nigga, in the paint. Remember when you had this beef? Remember when you had that? I said, you ain't even got to... That's where we're going. You want me to be in the paint with you?

I'm going to be in the paint. You don't never got to ask. I've been in the paint with you in physical life. You're thinking, rap life? I ain't going to be in the paint with you. I'm just like, you know. But it's a luxury, you know what I'm saying? To have that loyalty going, man.

Shout out digging in the crates. My nigga Diamond D. Finesse, all of them for, you know, putting me on, putting me in the game and always being the same. that's hard. I know the locks got that. Yeah. You know what I mean? But I got that, too,

with digging in the craze now. Territ's squad, we had a whole bunch of fucking, Benedict Arnold, you know, this shit, nigger, a nigga,

I'm doing a song with a nigga, like, you know, my man, let me holler at you for a second. Like, you see that watch? What kind of watches that? You're my man, like,

terrorist corps scandalous. Digging in the crates, we all been A-O-K. You know? How important is, legacy and longevity. That's everything, man. I mean, the work we put in,

that last lifetime, legacy is everything. That's why I feel everybody keeps going. Some people go for the money, I take legacy. You could pass that down. That's family. That's everything.

You're going on the European tour? Can't wait. You're going to some mean spots. Dublin, Paris, London, Berlin. They love hip-hop. Stockholm. Nice bags over there, too. Nice bags over the water.

You're going to do a U.S. store? Can't wait for that, neither. Let me ask you something. How do you do it, right? So do you make a, you go out, you make a pile of money and you live off this money

until you need some more money? Because, no, no, there's different techniques. It is. It is. That's your game plan. Right, right, right. Some people are...

Rose caught a seizure on the fucking airplane, and I know for a fact that that very next day he was in Paris performing. He go for every bag under the sun. You're different. You like, you get your bag up, cruise

control, need a new bag. You hit the right on the head. That's it. That's it. That way you have some type of normal life. You watch family feud and shit. He's right. He's fucking right. Yeah, you're right. All of that. That's a nice formula, though.

Go load up. getting low. I think, hold on, but I think once you pass a certain number, you can't really stop and do that. You can't pass a 20-30m. You know what I mean? I don't know about 20-30 games. I ain't never had it.

But let me tell you something. You know what happened to me? I used to do it like you. Right. Right? So one of the biggest mistakes and one of the greatest mistakes is, good and bad was I moved to Miami.

So we party seven days a week out there. And so, you know, all you do in Miami is you catch the sun tan in the daytime. At night, what's the popping spot when pulling up? So I would go on top, get a bag. And for like three, four months, I'd just be in Miami, eating dinner. Right. And then when I caught the tax problem, that's when I realized you got to make money when you, at least for me. I got to make money when I don't even need it.

I got to go get money because the money. Some niggas, when I tell you, you got, say Fat Joe was worth $50, but they threw the dice, the IRS, and that shit landed on $49.50, my nigga. I don't know. I didn't came up with the numbers saying, you are officially dead broke, my nigga. Like, you ain't got nothing no more. I'm like, holy shit. So that's why I came out here and I was like, yo, I got to, I got to do the Rick Ross.

I got to go and go and go because I, I never know when he niggas going to throw a curveball on. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that's, that's a, I, I love your philosophy more, but, um, they, they, they stung me. The beastung me. But that made you do that, right? Yes.

Okay. That made me feel like I ain't got enough to you. Right, right, right. Looking at M's in your, at least for me, come from the project, free trees, welfare, face-to-face, everything you can, every bum-nigger shit you could think of, that's me. If I'm looking for like 10 years at M's in the bank, I'm thinking I'm rich.

Like, I'm like, yo, I'm good. I'm straight. Some niggas came and said, yo, you know what? We need. They even told me about money. I ain't know I had. They said, yo, we saw something.

When I first got money back in the day, the accountant I had at the time made me do like a retirement accountant, like, well, fuck, I swear to God I didn't know about this. The niggas came back and said, oh, and we found the retirement for the world former. You might want to give us that, too. I was like, retirement. I looked at $1 a half a million.

We can use that, sir. You won't have to sell the art or your house. We can use that right there. I was like, yo, the mings was violating me. The IRS nigger walked my house. So let me tell you. In America, We got so many, it's like we live in a lot.

The UFOs just came out yesterday. Real UFOs, and I know everybody's scared to death. They now try to talk about it. The real aliens is outside, and the government is saying, congratulations, they outside. Don't be mad if you see a nigga ditty bopping down 125th, because it might happen. They outside.

They can't control the quiet. They can't control that no more. Believe that you read, Paul. No, my nigga, the Pentagon put that out. The United States government. Well, whoopty-do? You believe anything the Pentagon put up? It's okay.

You don't want to believe. I'm just saying, niggas don't want to believe because they're outside. Right? So why did I go there? What was I saying before that? Who's listening? Huh?

Yeah, niggis. You know, you think you own your house? The thing is violating me. Just walking through my house. Yo, this painting's about 20,000. Romeo Brito. Hey, this couch from Chanel. Wow.

You could probably get 15. Niggas was walking through my crick. Christy shit. Fox, nigga, yes. That's crazy. Niggas what happens? I came home up with me a bends of 500. The mrs.

Like, I don't know if the government's going to be happy with you buying the 500 banks. When you own all this money, I was like, yo, that shit is a horrible feeling when you are your own boss or entrepreneur or this, you start feeling like less of a man out that bitch. You know, they definitely walked in my crib

without permission, Diddy bop through my shit was price tagging furs on type of? Might have one big sale, the fat Joe sale. I'm like, yo, this shit. So that taught me to, like, work when I ain't got to work. I just got to keep going because motherfucker could throw you a wild card

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When he came out, it's new. Current. You got new water. In media, you got to say current. What do you like currently? I'm listening to the classics. I listen to the chef, the womb, the locks, regular shit.

No doubt. Same here. Ain't too many young cast that really move me like that. Like that now. Actually, the battle rap castes get busy. I like them. Yeah, they be getting busy.

Yeah, I can't do it, man. Fuck you mother suck my dick. I'll smack this shit out of your bitch right there. Her name's Margaret and Margaret got fucked by three niggas. Yo, I can't do that. What you talking about the battle rap? The shit they be doing. I'm like,

Margaret knows she fuck Johnny Jim and the God Supreme. He hit her with the mathematics. This like, yo, my nigga. That's a for some. And you sitting there like, yeah, God, nice balls, niggas. It's like, hey, and what did we do to

her? Hit her with the mathematics, God. Yeah. This, like, nah, nigger. Like, I ain't doing that shit. The niggas, they get busy. The niggas get busy. The niggas get busy, man. Yeah, they're lyrical, but I can't stand there with them.

Yeah. Mm. Oh, shit. I used to like the nigga head ice. You remember head ice? Right, he got busy. That, he comes out of nowhere and be like. Oh, Mattie.

Ice! That it was like their DMX for the battle rap. That nigga come out of nowhere. Yeah, that, that, that, that. Ice! I'd be like, yo, this man, this nigga right. Here, he's, head ice, man. I wonder if I was still doing it.

I ain't seen him in a while. He used to be crushing shit. Yo, head ice is nice. Uniqueness, the new single with Mike and Keys. How'd you come up with that? Oh, man, that beat. That was it. As soon as you heard it, that was it.

No hook, nothing. That was it. Go. I like when I get to know. That was a band. That was a band. That was a band. You can play uniqueness?

Exactly. Let's crank that joint, man. That's how you give it. Mike and Key's making a lot of noise, huh? In the production game. I've seen static. You know, your album's incredible, bro.

I'm telling you right now. Do a dot three, y'all. Don't waste your time with all this bullshit. Your Billy Dan's not dead. Yeah. What? I'm on there, too. You ain't be Billy Dan's album yet?

Shout out to Billy Dance. I'm on there, too. Fire. Yeah, you're doing shit. I'm going to say you're going to do something for me, motherfucker. You are everybody. shit now. I turn it up.

Y'all kill me with the one more. I said, damn, I can't even get him on a song. The man right next to me. I got an album coming out of her, y'all, you know. That's what I heard. Yeah. Soon soon as the universe

aligns itself. Give the lights a little more, you heard. Drake that shit, say, like some Bobby Wong. Yeah, I like this one. Say, show out. Sneak a hoarder. Relationships sinking in water

Two sons got chip one of the daughter New guns bumping it my knees Dad the Oater You're pulling back You can't add a dreads and not No shit One of the dogs Give me lights a little more

You heard this album is crazy My name Sneaker hoarder I ain't guys come more time This album is crazy Sake a hoard Sneaker hoarder Relationship sinking in water

Two sons got jip one of the daughter New guns bumping it my knees dead the older Bomb culture whole hoa still M-V-O-Tor Who to votes a sipping bomb punch sunk in the sofa One blunt was on a hunt trying to jump with some chochia Young Sosa Soloist seeking assailum hitting sonics on my first album Speaking in Vioces, keep how they whaling

Fashion trends keep me from stalling Handsome thin super slim trying to sleep with the stallions Hennie gallon No Demi's my pennies was palin Far from friendly when you bent Let's get you sent to the Allen Grill salmon to leave alone wings and bones pocket dally with these thrones i'm the king of the tones bring me my throne

the lover i and y guy from sutter and junior high used to lie when i stutter fly with the butters cooosy sweaters cop them in colors i'm not like the others nut bustle cat boxes or rubbers it's over your boy's sober sitting back 30 years older stare closer see the tears in my shoulders distilling lost feelings need there'll be for the healing from what i see i could never be a civilian with touching the millions with us. I have you doing everything but never doing enough. Just slew to the cut. First Ghana, then Basawana. It's a lot to ponder.

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We ain't even mix it. It's got next level shit. A ZX Y. Raise. Poet extraordinaire. Kept in peace since day one. My world always my bomb, regardless to whom or what. Rather unique, I travel through beats.

Correlate with crime. Most my kind is deceased. Vind for the streets. Never those that line up their peeps. It's the ones who will is weak and thirst knowledge and seek. We shibble. Read through vitals. Court cases lead to acquittals.

The tizzled in our presence, they shrible. Wordsless fribble. If action ain't applied to assist, was flied. Nis from the mix I survived the abyss highly equipped the coat my nigg did his bit on a boat out of her wiggas whiz let him some dope he home only wanted fear guard and some foams a load nitty yank fitted and begarvy cologne i hit him when to a stop i spin the block and get him just heard the world that it's ops got with him gave him his wings a few niggers keep it a bean he was one though a die guess we all get him run more money more murder life as we know it now how how it should be, but it's the laws of nature Do or die Three decades and counting

You know what's crazy That's not the best shit on the album You don't know the fucking Oh A little bit You know And I tell you the fucking album It's so

That shit right there It's what the fucking world needs Not that bullshit Sound effect I just don't want to get height What the way The Sonics change I feel like, you know, they're going to embrace it like that.

They got to. They don't embrace it. We embrace it. We're going to make them embrace it. We're going to make them embrace. All these other niggins. We got to make them embrace. You did 10 interviews.

Should have just came in here. You cover everybody. Niggins is trash. They fly me and sick, my nigga. These are you guys. You can't buck with us. Uniqueness. This shit right here.

This album. I'm trying to tell you. I want to hear J to join and hit with them. It's just as close as we're going to get here. We're going to play live. We can shoot. I don't like that even.

You know you can get me for the video. I ain't one of them people that do a song with you and then don't do the video. Or like, get this song for free and I need $2.72 million to do this. That's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You do the song. Hold on, I got to say something.

Because in this game, you got to reinvent you. yourself. But you don't have to, because you never, you don't have to reinvent yourself. Right, right, right. It's like you spoonfeed them a just enough, then you hibernate and come back with, they need that fix again. And you keep

it, you keep the fix, you keep them needing to fix. Is it a secret to your method of madness? You know what? That might be the shit. I mean, I don't do it intentionally. That's how I picked, you know, from the outside looking in, you give them a little bit of that blue magic. Get him third, get him It's just going to disappear and come back

Stop him, it's going to spark a lot Lucky it ain't Thanksgiving Because this spark This is going to spark a lot of arguments Between pops and their sons and all that Nigger gonna come with the flibbitty ribby That's how you're ready to be like Hold on

This is what this shit's supposed to sound like The God came back He loved AJ This is right here I raised them right This is going to be beef This was Thanksgiving my nigga? Like, it'd be a

fantasy. This shit like politics right now. They just throwing shit out of these time. Any nigga that know real hip hop who came up from the cloth who love real hip hop. This album is a fucking gem. Let me get the one with me and A on me.

That's not the best one evil. How about that? It's the whole project. It's beyond serious. That shit right there. You're dealing with so much garbage in the world. That shit is crazy. This shit is crazy. That shit with Nause is crazy.

That Jackie song. Safe to say, it's a crazy project. It's okay. I know it's hard to say it because it's so much garbage. But this is a silent-ass project. Play that shit. Word up, eh. A nigga always got the nerve to ask for some.

I told him, let's reverse the situation this time and do it like this. You know what I'm saying? Give me. Just give me. Great that shit, man. back what's the deal y'all get me let's count this money why don't you give me the world give me what you can't get back you know we're too thorough campaign chairs louie wears over the years in full lymph me ear muffs over my ears knowing it's near near brushes moments of fear for them

jail phones just know you on your own when you're there alone in my squares sift and smiling show on veneers Vimin'ness in the max Fitting at me and bones in the stairs Homie, I'm here escaped it 88 first with them aces From crack hit nigger That was the Matrix It's track sacred rap chains

When I entered the game Half I entertainer Over half I explain It's in my name The beginning that never began Never van rolling dice Got a hell of a hand The melody man

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LLah la la no Oh What you can't get back James James Why don't you give me back We got shoot this shit Uh huh

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Give me Just give me For the NYC Give me what you can't get back What's the deal y'all Give me Why don't you give me the world Give me what you can't get back

You know we're too thorough Yeah, that's nice. Hell out Philly. Which is DCBA. It's like 95 all over again. Let's go. That was nice. Yeah.

You know, y'all keeps speaking, nah, Bob, you know? Well, you ain't know I did that? I know you did that? I listened to the... No, no. Kayne, Kayne. Kay didn't... Okay, he snucked that one in that motherfucker, huh?

That's how you do. The other day I was in the studio and... Diamond D sent me a joint, and I snuck it in before. everybody got in the studio. I was like the first nigga there. I'll see you'll throw this up. Knocked it out.

Yeah. I mean, nobody knows. They know now. But I mean, like, when I threw it up in the studio, nobody was there yet. So I got that one out the way. That's one of those. You did that shit right quick.

It made you feel like, what made you feel like that? I booked that. I booked it. Nobody was there with me and the engineer. But what made you feel like coming up with that hook? No, that's the look. Yeah. I know.

So what made you say? I'm gonna do it over. When royalty calls, you do it. You don't want to act like I don't want to. Yeah, he don't fuck with the guard life. He can't even reach the flag because he's so, he lying so much the flag he can't even reach. You know what I'm saying?

You know, it is crazy. Yo, he's wow. Like, Jada Kiss is wow. Let me show you stuff. Y'all think I'm wild. man. Wow. I'm cool.

But let me tell you something, man. That shit is amazing. This album, I love it. This is going to change. This is going to change your bank account. It's going to change a lot of things because I got my man Colombian jump. He's like a, he drives.

He does anything I need. Somebody in my hood, around my demographic. But I called them. I was done fixing the sneaker room. I had to get rid of the boxes. I usually call him, give him a couple hundred to grab it. As soon as he gets to the crib, though, that agee out.

I said, yeah, Columbia. Usually, you should, and it still works. A lot of you, a lot of OGs put some albums together. And I support one million percent. And I like certain songs from their albums. the last one to do it the best is Billy Dance Billy Dan's y'all better check that fucking album out

right? And then AZ came with this yo here's the pure the cocaine I said god damn this nigga's just like because Billy Dan did some grown-up you on that album too Hello Hello

I heard it was me yeah You got a lot of fluidity out there, dude What I think is missing and we need more of our contemporaries making them kind of songs. You know what I mean? People get caught up with calling

top people on the billboards wherever you're hearing on the top 8 at 8. Those ain't necessarily the people you make good music with. So, long as we stick for. For. Exactly.

So long as we stick to the script and work with our contemporary, I think more beautiful things can come out of that. But, you know, like you said before, people get a couple dollars. You get a new house, a new Ferrari, you start feeling like you gotta make songs.

You know what? A lot of times it'd be like record company niggas want to tell you, yo, do a song with this guy. Yo, this should be fighting. So the record label is still signing up. People still sign the record labels. They rocked niggas all over again. I know that.

Whatever we got robbed for, they got friends. Russ niggas getting robbed. Rapper Pete. He's getting robbed. This is a jet-sight. It's more worse now. He's like the label's just genocidal, my nigga.

They're blowing bonk. The whole gimmick is to sign young black men and Latino men that came from... Put you in debt. Throw them a little carrot. You, nigga ain't never had none.

They gave them 100,000. These niggas are singing their life away. Talented, doing the ill as shit. These niggas is running it up. 20, 30 million, this nigga never,

he's in debt. So if they spend $100,000 on a video, they charge you $2 million on the video. You, not them. Yo, I still have a recouped.

Let me tell you. I have a double platinum album that I still have a recoup from for 20 years. Then I put out an independent album where I sell 100,000 records and make a million dollars. Did you ever listen,

actually listen to the first line of why? I saw why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the ball, but I want you to say I'm gonna fuck it up. Why is the industry

designers in debt? What? That's crazy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, but it's true though. But it's a why. Why?

Why is the industry designed to keep the artist in debt? Yes. Only key word is the artist. He's that. Nobody else being dead. And so that don't never run. They never run.

run out of broke niggas. Yeah, yeah, I see. They never run out of a talented young kid. I figured they learn from my shit and everybody else did this. Why would they still? Some of them have. They're catching them with a longer spoon. Some of them have.

Like when you see like a Travis Scott. You get a movie. When you see a Travis Scott. They get any deal, they're hearing this in the buck. He's chilling, right? Travis is some smart ones out there. Right, right. You see them run it up.

They let a few smart ones slip through, but they make sure it's only a few. we're going to let two You can't beat up the record label no more You go to the feds You can't hear In my day We was beating niggas up With the plaques on the wall

We went out We went now That shit is a Fed case Right now They're letting you know You can't even get out of the building They ain't gonna lock you in the building To the fucking authority

To your nix Atlantic one time I said yo I'm running up in They didn't want to pay for a video Like I wanted to do I said I'm coming in there And anybody, I mean, anybody up in this bitch. That shit I walked in there, Atlantic records.

They had like a thousand workers. That shit was like, whee-re-woo. Niggas in there thought it was a Jewish holiday. They sent everybody home. It was papers blowing in the wind. I walked up and I said, damn, it ain't one nigga stuck behind.

Not a fucking janitor to get smacked up out of this bitch. This shit was like, the whole place. Yo, they didn't take it as a bluff. They didn't think that was cat at that time. They got on it. Everybody. Nice ladies.

Everybody was gone. Niggins was like, oh, no, he's coming up in here. They told me the only guy who stood there, rest of the piece, is my good friend, Ronnie Johnson. And because he knew I loved him so much, he said that he explained it to me. He said, yo, Joe, you're not Beyonce, man, your last single didn't do good.

They're not going to give you the, bag for the next video and this and this and that. So a lot of shit I went through in the industry I learned I had to go independent. Yeah. Because I realized we're in the blind at all time. So we tell in the record label, yo, you're going to push this.

You're going to make this a hit. And then suppose they don't. Suppose they're lying to you. And they're like, yo, kids always sell 250,000 records. That just give out enough. Spend a little. It's like the drug game. Spend a little. And step on this bitch.

We know he's going to sell $250,000. So that's how they make their PC. Meanwhile, Kiss is like, yo, I think I could do a million if y'all blow the bag. They're cool with that $250. They make their money.

Yeah, $250,000. From 50 people, they're good. They're good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's why being independent, I had that one song. I say it all the time. I hate when I repeat stories,

but when I put out that song with Young Jeezy, I got so many, you know. Right? Just like we talk. talking to you, we, you ain't delusioned. Niggas is telling you this album is hot, A-Z. You know when this shit is hot.

I'm speaking to my people, yeah. They've been out for the way. Yeah, yeah, but they're telling you, what they're telling you the shit is hot. That's a fact. Right? So it ain't a lot. So I put that shit out

and the whole world calling me, was like, yo, you got another lead back. This shit is crazy. The whole industry called, yo, welcome back. This, this, this. That shit, it wasn't charting, wasn't moving, wasn't doing none.

I went to the labor. I was like, yo, y'all didn't. Yeah, Joe, this, I said, this shit was ahead. I said, I got to go. I got to put my own money with my wildfiz and go independent and put my own money. And at least I know I spent it, the shit don't blow it is what it is.

I can't go there. And it also feels, you feel smaller, looking at a guy behind the desk begging him to promote your shit or play your music or this or this. I used to feel smaller on the other side of the death saying, yo, you're going to pump my shit, you're going to go. And I was like, you know what, Joe, you always been a hustler,

you always been an entrepreneur, you got to go. And they was calling that. At that time, I had beef and 50 cents, and they was calling that shit the graveyard, you niggas, this crackhead, you just like going independent at that time. Oh, yeah. They really try to discourage niggis from going independent. The graveyard, only bumps go there.

Meanwhile, I made wow more money than I made on a major. You go on a major, you sell two million records. They take your unrecoup. They give you another half a million to make the next album. You sell gold on an independent. At that time, they're giving you $7. You made three and a half Ms. That's a fact.

That's the math. I was figuring it out. So I wasn't trying to hear none of that shit. They was talking graveyard, bums, this. I'm like, nah, blah, blah. You ain't seen it. That shit was that fucking another round with Chris Brown? It's the one time in my life I try to stop the money from coming.

I was kicking that shit back in the safe. Like, please stop. Stop sending another check. Another bonus is coming through this shit. So independent when you hit it out the park, it's sweet. It's the best in the world. And then you build that catalog so that you can benefit off of it if you ever want to make a catalog deal

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You got 10 albums out. That's kind of crazy. All right, we can skip that. Nah, no, no, no, no. What's close to it? What's the verse that you feel, you feel like, yo, that might be my best verse I ever spit.

You've got to have one. You're lying, kiss. I'm not. When you got to lie, any verses, niggins, God, how could you sit there and just didn't break that down? I think to come up. know to come up stack

Everybody put the gun up Laugh get nice Put the blunt up Pray blue and whites don't run up Remain Humble Yeah that one was He got the shit Man that's more money more

Murder All right Yeah See you keep going Yeah It's so many man AZ man AZ man

So AZ I heard on the album Where you said Rock Kimberth the style True indeed the G-wrap fine-tuned it What, did I skip somebody? Skip Cain

I said Cain, Big Daddy Cain That was PUNS. Cool G-Rap and Big Daddy Cain was Punch favorite rappers Yeah I skipped C-Rap So you said

G-rap Rock Kim, bro, Raqam Cain warmed it up G-Rap turned my dad Yeah And then They're my favorites right there

And then the realism Life Act You have a reality Fuck who's the baddest of the purse That's the set off right then. That goes with this one. Which album changed your life more, you think? Illmatic or Do-A-Daw?

Do-A-Daw? Damn, nah. I don't fucking know that. That was crazy. I would say Ill-Matic because it made me open the door. So I had a Bidwark. And I only had three songs or six raps. And every label, you know, they wanted me.

So I had to make... Well, this connection with Nas. Like, who introduced you? Yo, this is Nassia. This is a... I think the homie Yambot. He was on the phone. He's from Brooklyn, but he was in Queens Bridge,

and he knew I rap. He knew Nause rap. He was in the streets, and he got us on the phone, and me and Naz going back and forth. Actually, with other people on the phone. It was like one of them partying-lice type of shit. But it was just a real shit.

We was rapping, but I gravitated towards, So, Nas, he just spent some crazy shit. And I was like, we exchanged numbers and we kind of, we dialogue for like a year before we even bump heads. Like every now and then, like once in my, what up, Nick was going on? Yo, my man just got shot over there.

Oh, my man, you know, so that was like a year. And then he got a deal. And then I think halfway through Gilmatic, he invited me to the studio. I went there just to fly on the wall. And life's a bitch wasn't even premeditated. happened. I wasn't trying to get on an album. I was just there just supporting. Yeah.

It's happened. That's why we get high because you never know. He's getting busy, so I'm wondering why he's even put me on the fucking album. It's done. I don't want to get on that. I can't keep up with you, that's how I thought, right? Let me tell you my perspective. The fly nigger in my hood is showbiz. Right.

Born Lord. Showbiz coming to all that city. Salis. My nigg. Shoebiz. Shut up. Converterville. who bends. And she said, yo, you gotta hear this. You gotta hear this. I was about sound view somewhere.

You were like, you gotta hear this. And that motherfucker pulled that Elmatic out of the tape and threw it in and we sat in the car and listened to the whole Illmatic. And I was like, oh my God. Like, yo, this shit.

I was scared. Right? Because I had one hit out, one album out. I had Flojoin. I was like, bust it, check it. What? Shall I wreck it? Niggas what?

Chabette, and I'm here realizing the realism of life and actuality. I said, oh, my God. It's getting old. It's me. I'm not coming with the fuck. Giggin'-in-pom. This might have been the real as shitty. That's ill.

That's you. That's ill. That one right there hit home diffing because. Nigel, I was shocked. You got to say it again. How did Flojo go? Buss it. I got a line on.

flowed your way, I say, step to me and I'm a masher toes. Yeah, I got to go to the next for you. Yo. Yo. Nigg.

That's a fact. You said that. That's a fact. And I, and that shit, I heard that shit. So I was so, dude, what you call that shit? The endorphins in my brain was like,

yo, this is the illest shit I ever heard. And then the fear sets in and says, nigga, if you don't step... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I studied you guys. Like, yo, I'm telling you I might have listened to Illmatic one million times. Damn.

Before I started my second album. And that's how I stepped my second album. The crazy shit is, um... I put out the second album, like right about now, like you four days in. Right. And I run into Biggie, rest of peace. I see Biggie.

He got 200, 300, 300. people around him and shit. And he was like, yo, crap. Like, well, we've been playing all week. He was, yo, you step your shit up, nigga the second album. I was like, yo! He told little kids, he was like, yo, we've been

playing your album all day. That's real. And it was like, I had to step it up. Well, I was, I was done. A lot of niggas. You know, you know, Elmanic put a lot of niggas out of business. Oh, yes. That's the host thing.

You got to adapt? Yeah. Yeah. And it was a wave after that, you know, with the mall. Niggas out of business. You know, you couldn't come with that whack shit no more. You had the light. Be lyrical.

Yeah. Or come through with some shit. Otherwise, it wasn't going to work. Shout out my man, L-E-S, L-E-S. Yes. Yes. L-E-S. I love you, brother, man.

He was like the first nigger, whoever, you know, because I just want to shoot people and rob people and all my music and all that. He gave you something. Oh, yeah. He gave me like two, three joints. But what he did do was like, let me know, like, I did the, hey, Joey. I ain't even know I could make a song like that. I was so hardcore.

I was like, M-O-P. So when he was like, yo, you can rap. I was like, yo, B, they're going to take a pussy guard if I rap to some shit. He was like, nah, nigger, like, this is the fly shit. And I did it. And thank God it's like one of my classics. And so he was like, you know, with me, I was real just, I was, I was, I was too underground.

You know what I mean? My shit was like, we will not commercialize. So my shit was like so underground that every step of the wait for me, if you were to ask Fat Joe 1992, will he ever have a what's love or some shit like that? He would have never, ever, ever in the history.

I thought I was just going to be making spit raisin music. That's it. But you adjusted with the sound. Yeah, real work. just seemed money. So what happened for me was niggas that was making that kind of

like the man not to tell his business one day Chris Gotti came to get me and this one murder ink was on fire and he showed me and this is Chris Gotti not Irving. Rest of peace Irv man I miss Irv man

he showed me a $20 million check and the nigga came to my crib in the Bronx nigga was like I just got this. He's not, he's number two or number three. He's on the list.

He showed me a $20 million, Chris Gotti. And I said, oh, I got to make records like that. Just shoot him up. Bang, bang, ain't going to work. Then we made the West Love

and dug him from there. Then we started just making hit records. But it was like, you know, I seen it. He showed me the check. And I was like, like nothing. It was a normal day.

He was like, all right, Joe, let's go down like to the city. You know, I was like, Yo, this thing, that's $20 million fucking check. I'm over here still doing $1,500 shows. I was like, and so I realized you got to step it up. You know what I mean? To make music like you, when you did Sugar Hill.

Yeah, I had to do that. I didn't want to do that, but I saw what Biggie did. He just zipped. He still kept it real on the album, but he, and so now I'm hearing everything that's time. I'm hearing Marl. I'm here, and I said, I can compete, but. I want a zip.

That was a good ass. You made some fly shit. Yeah. That was a hell of a zip. Yeah. You could zip. Yeah. Hell of a zip.

You got a zip. That's a fat. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's why. I mean, we all get busy, but it's a business at the same time. When the conversation never comes up in my mind, I always credit Biggie for the whole shit. I credit him because he,

He's the first guy I seen with a backpacker in an Army fatigue jacket. And it started rapping on them R&B beats, making them hits, juicy and all that. And so that inspired me to make songs like that or everybody else. You know, he opened that door. At least for New York niggas, I know he opened that door. Like you just said, if everybody just kept it real and say, who let him know that you could do that? Yeah.

It would be B-I-G. Made it cool to wear a nice shirt to be the one to be going from nasty to class. Man, I was in his house one day the nigga had a hockey jersey on and Levi's and this and they were like, yo, kind of my shit tonight, this, this, that.

I pulled up, nigga had gators on, fucking fur trench this. I was like, what the fuck? Where did this come from? Biggie Smalls was in the overnight success. He was number one, two, and

three. That's a fact. Within months. Just never been seen before before that. His money must have went like that. That's a fact. Like some shit we never seen. Like that shit was one, two, and three. I remember like, yo, this nigg is number one,

two, and three. When somebody I equate that to, I always use Cardi B as the standard now for like Fandemone You know, Cardi B saying anything on Instagram The girls love that shit

Yeah. You know, she just, this, this, like she got that shit where she just That shit you were saying? She just jumped To another level. That's how Biggie did it for me.

You know, but all you guys, man, you shit, the firm shit. Mm-hmm. All that. What was it like working with like a Foxy Brown? You know, we rate Foxy Brown. Foxy Brown. She another.

She gets busy. Yeah, she gets busy. Fox. I was listening to Fox yesterday. I can't wait for you. She's coming back. I don't. I'm waiting for that.

She got to come back. She's coming back. She's coming back. With the back to the ankle. She's saying that. Fox is going to. We got my biggest moat. You see, it happens all the time.

So I think if you're a veteran, Sean C, you've seen this. If you're a veteran exec who's been in the game long enough, you've seen this shit play out with different artists. So say like French, had that shot caller and the next thing you know he did the pop that. With all the miggins that took him another level with me,

I was just getting my credibility with Flojo and all that. L.L. put me on our shot shot. But Fat Joe already had Flojo and already had the second album that Biggie's saying, I stepped my shit up. So I kind of like, I don't know if I deserve that slap right there,

but thank God he gave it to me. And then you got Prodigy on there. You got Keith Murray was on fucking flame. and then you got Foxy Graham. And I remember me doing it. It was a big deal to be on there with L.L. and all them. And I turned around because we all shooting the video to say, and she, come on.

Papa, you know, that. I said, yo, this girl. Yeah, yeah. How about it took two seconds to know she was a superstar? She was in there with the biggest, hottest niggas. From the four platinum niggas to the underground niggas to everything. She came up in there. I think she had like a white silk shirt.

She was like, in Ellen Tracy, this, this. And I was like, oh, my God. There's a girl on this song that she's about to be the fuck out of here. What was that like that, working with her in the studio and shit like that? No, Fox in and out. She's getting right to the business. Soon as the music come on. So I'm trying to get in the studio.

She's getting on the mic. She's doing it and she's gone. She'll write fast right there. Lay half it down, write more. She out. And we used to waste a lot of money, huh, Sean C? We used to, the studio was the hangout. Oh, yeah.

Huh, Sean C? Yo, what was it like working with, rest and peace, half a meal? Oh, man, half was big head scientists. He had a lot of knowledge. He was trying to get that shit out like he knew something. He was before his time. Way before his time. You know, a lot of unsung heroes in the hip-hop game

passed away prematurely. You know what I mean? Rap game turned straight to the streets. Yeah. Was you conscious of that? Yeah, I see what was going on. My style was the same. I'm sitting back.

You got the loud ones and you got the silent assassins. I think I was more like that. Just checking shit out, seeing where to go, where not to go, you know? I always went with a problem. You were saying. You was hearing that shit. You know, that niggum, fat Joe walked up to there with a hundred Puerto Ricans. Word up, son.

What do you do? Yo, that nigger pun, they called him a German. He took the chain off and whipped the shit out of the niggins. Yo, this nigger big pun. Let me tell you some. Yo, listen, listen, you was there for that? Yo, Sean C., let me tell you some niggins say, I'll be watching all these documentaries.

They say the tunnel was the, it was, the worst place to go. The tunnel was just Killerville. Right. Righteous Island with a sprinkle of young ladies. This nigga, big pun. Big pun, we're going there with millions of dollars in jury and a robe on, my nigga with boxes under like this in the middle of a tub. Bottom Mowat with a robe on and Sankletas.

Where every so-called murderer of all murderers of this. What up, God? I'm like, yo, punt, where's your clothes, my nigga? Fuck that. Niggas know what time it is out here. You, big pun. That thing was that big Oh

Oh Oh Oh Oh Whoa Wow Oh Man big fun

Man But you know Yo Joe How you How you made it To that How you did it to that? I'm in that video

Yeah But how do you do that I was in everybody's video I don't know Niggas is like I might have had The video niggas on

On speed down They always shoot The video Fat Joe Like the You used to get the You used to get the Yo, they shooting over there.

Yeah, they're saying our radio. You know who else. I did the incarcerated scar faces. I'm the barber and Ray Kwan's video. Yeah, they shot the shit over there, Bob Lemon's projects by the Taino Towers over there on the east side of the hall. And they had the ice cream truck. I'm the barber in the video, incarcerated scar faces.

That's great. And fucking engine, engine number. And I'm jumping up and down. Oh, wow. Blackseat. Oh shit. Big it up, big it up,

big it up. Back to the stains. Chris Beer. Niggin, you call that joke on a cameo. He was there. But that day, that day,

it's crazy that you, that you bring that up, right? Because sometimes, I'm fried. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm fried. So,

like, like sometimes, you know, niggas don't call me cap so much. Sometimes I think I'm capping. I don't know. This shit is crazy out here, right?

But that video, Right. I remember Jay Z was there. Jay was there, yeah. And Nas and every, you know, we just had Rick Ross here. I really asked him how did it go bad between him and Drake. And I remember everybody was there.

No, no, no, no. This is before Nas and Jay Z beef. Everybody was there in peace. Yeah. No. I was sitting next to these niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like when it really went bad, I never,

I never, you're the one, you probably the only guy who got him to get him together, for all that beef. That's a fact. How did that come about? I knew Jerry from high school. We went, I think,

the ninth grade. He was in a grade. He used to rap in the lunchroom. That's before the Biggie and Bustraim shit. So you was in that city and Whitney? They leave you out of that high school.

I didn't go to that one. That's after. They closed hours. And then from there, we was cool, and I was already doing me, and he reached out. So I'd make it happen.

It didn't happen. But I was at the video at the, the big and all of us sitting at the round table.

Nas Bozak came but he didn't. So it was cool but, you know, shit happens. Yeah. I mean,

you know, it's a part about history, everybody's history and, hip hop. You know what I'm saying? That shit.

I guess sometimes some shit had to happen. No, no, for real. Sometimes the journey is shit got to happen.

Maybe it was about just the business, right? about the music business. It was a power move like that. It's the same game, right? Power move. That's what it is.

Supremacy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's a fact. But we hear the name of the project. Tell them the name of the project. DoorDar 3, man. Telling you right now, anybody.

Uniqueness. Anybody in the fucking planet Earth. If you love real hip-hop, if you love lyrics, you love beats, nothing is fucking with A-Z's album right now. It's untouchable right now. I already set a date with myself. I'm going back home to get in the car and play the album while I drive in the car, preferably around Brooklyn,

Harlem, the South Bronx, a little bit of Queens in there. Yes. Pull up. You want me to touch that y'all. Do I got juice and yonkers by now? Because I'm affiliated with you. You know, your kids, man. The twins, I don't know with the twins at the game. They got some much love for them. I want to know Can I get like a free Master Leo or some shit? You can I get it like a Magic carpet

You're spreading the wealth Yo, Yio! Am I like a You're good in YO? You're good. Don't do that. He's going to let you. You're going to cause you.

Go pump my gas in the gas station. Oh, in it? You know the gas station. Where's that gas station at? 354, man. What? Every year, every time I used to go to Young's, they'd be like,

yo, the locks is in that gas station. You know, my motherfuckers is out there deep So I'm good in WIO Great in YO. Get me a fucking ginger and lemon shot. Go get you a bagalito three, bacalito, bacalaito. I'm good. Yeah, Y'O,

what's up, baby? What's up, baby? I'm in the building. Yo, this ain't that? That ain't this. Make some noise for A.Z, y'all. You know why, A.Z? Let me tell you something before we turn off these cameras. The reason why I give it out there to you like that is because you're not going to do it to yourself.

You quiet, but you need niggins like me, the spokesman, the mouth of the south, to let the niggas know your shit is on fire. So they don't get any mistaken. You're quiet, nigga. I'm saying, nah, nigger. This for the culture, we're going to salute them the right way. And if you got ears, go get that fucking album. Yes.

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