Joe and Jada - Clipse on "Let God Sort Em Out,” Pharrell, Jay-Z & Def Jam | Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Pusha T & Malice

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Pusha T and Malice, a.k.a. Clipse, to dive into their rap careers and their new album ‘Let God Sort Em Out.’ They discuss how they originally linked up with super producer Pharrell Williams and how he has been a huge part of their sound from the very beginning. Next, Pusha and Malice break down why they left Def Jam over the Kendrick Lamar track on their new album, explaining that in no way is it a beef record, but that politics and optics were the real reason Def Jam had a problem with it. They also thank Jay-Z and Roc Nation for stepping up to do the distribution and explain why they decided that the first track be "The Birds Don't Sing,” a tribute to their late mother and father, featuring John Legend. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian. a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast from IHeart Media to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The volume. And you get the Kedric Lamar, right? That's something. That didn't sound like a beef record to me.

It sounded like. It wasn't. It just sounds like a beautiful shit. Like, don't shit. So you just feel like sometimes... Well, he just said the politics of it. They ain't even... They probably didn't even listen to it,

just hearing the idea of the clips in them. The optics. The optics of it all. Yo, this is Joe Crack. Your boy, Jada. It's the Joe and Jada show. It's heavy cocaine talk today. We got the clips in the building.

This is Titanic glazes of ice cocaine talk up in this joint. One thing I didn't dare do is when we were talking today. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my brothers to the Joe and Jake the shoulders correct way. Make some noise for the clips. My brother, push and my brother Malice. What's up? Joe's ready to go.

He's hitting the ground running today, ladies and gentlemen. No, I'm just hype. When it comes to these guys, I get hype. You know what I'm saying? They're like superheroes. Respectfully. You know, yesterday, me and you got to sample just one song. Yeah, that shit was insanely insane.

It was crazy. We were talking about that shit all the way outside. Did he left? Thank you. How many years it been since y'all put out a project together? 15 years. 15 years. Wow?

Yeah. Still sounding like that. It's crazy. They got a bunch of generic shit over here on the iPad. We're going to turn that over and not even use that. But just for the namesake. How did y'all link up with Farrell? For the people that don't know.

Man, we had a mutual friend, like one of my best friends, Cam, he would always tell me about this dude that make crazy beats or whatever. And Cam would tell Farrell about, you know, me rapping or whatever. So one day we was like at the ocean front and we were just out there freestyling or whatever. And, you know, Farrell came up to me. He was like, yo, Cam told me about you. I was like, yeah, he told me about you too. And from there, we just linked and was tight ever since. That's right.

Let's talk VA, right? So you got linked up with him in VA. Yeah, right. V.A. Teddy Riley was out there. Yes. Right? So he had Devante swinging all them out there. Yeah.

See the Timberland. Yes. Ferell. Yeah. I had Mike Vic. Of course. Of course. You know, I got beat up with AI.

He never claims that one. No, no. You know, you know, you heard about it. No, no, no, no. You heard about it. I didn't, I didn't hear about it. You didn't hear about it. to hear about this.

You never heard about this. The only thing we were is you got the best stories. That's what we've been here. Oh, the best stories? No, you never heard about bad news, VA. Of course.

Where we fought the whole club, it was A.I.'s birthday. You know, in Newport News? Yeah. Bro, Newport News. It gets crazy in New York. No, that's what they're from. Now, you're not understanding

what I'm trying to say. We're over there for A.I.'s birthday. Right. So he's in the hotel, gambling all day, right? Yep. Then we go. We got the

convertible. It's AI. He's the biggest thing out there. So we go to his birthday party. And so we pull up with his crew, and this shit is ram, pat, everybody's hype. Next thing I know one of AI's man's,

get into some shit with somebody. Next thing I know the whole club started throwing glasses at us, like fucking vodka's and sodas. And we ducking. And there's so many glasses. is there. Every time I get up, the shit just hit,

like, it was no way to miss. Like, they was hitting. I always tell AI that story. He don't recall the story. I'd be like, remember you got us fucked up

in bad news VA because they did, his man jumped off and it was fighting the whole club. So VA, right? Special place. Lyrically,

I think y'all put it on your back. How did y'all move? Because we got to say they from the Bronx originally. So how do you move? We were born. We were born in the Bronx. They were born in the Bronx.

They got a note that been there. Tilden Tilden Tower. You know as soon as we claim the Bronx, you know they're going to kill us. They're going to shoot us. That is the Bronx. So please. He just told you to deal. No.

I was born in the Bronx. I left at two. He left at five. No. I left at eight. You left at four. Oh, man. See?

But you were in the BX? He's still with it. Heavy beef bag. They was doing the old McDonald out of farm. Don't need to fight. You know, listen, Gunniz or heavy beef patty. Right? But let's say you go to VA.

Yeah. Right? And so that was a very magical place at that time. It was. Yeah. One of these hits, everything coming busy? Yeah. I mean, this shit was dumb out there.

You know what people don't know is, you know, musically, people don't know how close in proximity we all were. Like, you know, Malice went to school with Timberlin. Right. You know, we used to. We used to ride our bike to Timlin's house. This is middle school, the junior high school. No, that's called it.

Junior high school and high school. Pharrell ended up moving, you know, next to my elementary school. Like, all of this music that y'all are hearing and all of these people is like in a... Chad, less than a mile from our house. Chad is less than a mile. I'm overstanding. I just want the people to understand. Yeah, just so the people know.

That shit was greatness over there on every level, from R&B to hip hop to everything. That was, that was legendary. You guys, so you guys are definitely the cheat code. I'm not trying to say you guys don't deserve everything you got, but you guys are the cheat code. You got Farrell doing every beat on this. Like, we can't afford that. Like, who can't afford Farrell to do every beat on their album? Like, it's not even about being able to afford P is about being able to get next to him with and get his time and get, but they, they're his brother.

So that's the, it's definitely a cheap old there you go. You know what it's like having Farrell, one of the geniuses of this area. He's a genius. Absolutely. Not even just beats. Everything. Everything. He's a great month.

Yeah. He's one of them. Yeah. It's going to be studied a hundred years from now. But that's your guy. Yeah. You know, dealing with Farrell, man, I think that collectively we got like a synergy that like takes us back to our fan of hip hop moment.

You know what I'm saying? So like musically, there's only certain things that we want. There's only certain things that we're going to resonate with. There's only certain. We don't chase sounds. We chase the feeling. we chase we chase time

you know what I'm saying we chase we chase locks restiles you know what I'm saying and what that meant like you know what that meant to us at that particular time like this is like

you know we just chasing that energy we chasing that energy so when we get together that's what that's what the that's what the studio session is like it's not about like you know this sound

or trying to you know compete with what's going on. It's like, no, if it don't make us feel like, you know, this time. This, then we're just not doing it. And it's tough because you know, Farrell's a future thinker. He's a future thinker. He's a future

futuristic type of person. So if you say something that harkens back too much to nostalgia, it ruins the whole session. He don't, you know what I'm saying? He doesn't, he doesn't like that type of certain buzzwords it kind of ruins it so it's like um you know you you you you work around it but the one thing that we all have in common is that we really remember the time where like hip hop

was stabbing us like just stabbing us every you know what I'm saying like we just remember that time and some of the artists that blew your mind when um pause or whatever they want to say but when when we don't have to say I'm just saying Now we've got to pause this shit The death It's like pause for it like You know But the thing is

Who some of the artists That blew your mind coming up When when you heard them You just knew You felt like the world change Prodigy ruined my life Dress and peace The Pete

Prodigy Prodigy ruin my whole life I think I would have to blame Prodigy For like Violence Yeah man

It was you know prodigy was it for me man I remember I remember being in school and like arguing like you know what was better mob or boot camping I'm a mob to the death

but I just thought that Prodigy was um it was something very poetic about what he did yeah for me it was definitely I take it back to the juice crew rock him Big Daddy King just the real lyricist you know

the ones that gave you that feeling, the ones that you look forward to coming out, you know, when they were dropping. And that's why I patterned my whole rap style after. It was about being a lyricist, about having something to say, making some kind of sense

and the style and all of that. So, yeah. You know, I caught goosebumps. Yeah. I caught goosebumps. As far as music is concerned, push. Push has been consistent with dropping music

and going on to our, And, you know what I mean, just being relevant in the culture and fashion and lifestyle. Yeah. Some of the meanest jury. We know you went on a hiatus for a while. You know, just did you fear anything? Wasn't doing no music. Right.

Now, you know, after 15 years or what have you, let God sort them out. What sparked it? What sparked? I cannot discount during my hiatus. I did two solo projects. myself hear ye him and let the dead bury the dead so i was always still active yeah still sharpening my skills um i think when we went out to wyoming you know we yay um you know and we did we worked on the jesus king album and we uh did use this gospel and that that kind of like

pushed my brother and myself into like making music again and putting us in that atmosphere and then we also performed, you know, at, what was it, um, Sunday service? Sunday service. Yeah, so album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, uh, the Nigo album. Um, uh, these were the things that I was like using to be able to approach him about and say, let's get his. Yeah, you know what I'm that?

Like, you know, we, we had a, I pray for you. Yeah, it was just certain songs. I mean, certain projects that it was like, man, you know. We made sense to me at the time. Yeah, yeah, because I had asked before, and it was like, nah. So you went heavy church? Heavy Jesus. I'm heavy Jesus, too.

But how, how is it doing the album now as the clips talking that street? It's perfect. It's perfect. It's the right time. It's perfect. But some of your, like, you know, like, we was talking amongst each other about stick wit. Stick with every ending had like a positive ending every song. So how are you coming, heavy church coming in?

Because this definitely got to be a gangster rap album. Heavy Jesus, he just told you. Heavy Jesus. Is what? It's what? Right? No, no, I'm saying. No, no, I'm saying.

No, he keeps saying heavy church and you just told me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. How are you able to make a gangster rap album, you know, coming from, like, the church? I don't think, I wouldn't call it gangster rap. Yeah. But, you know, I think when people look at the clips, apart from the creativity. I think what you should see is businessmen, family men. I think you should see some level of integrity and being about your business, you know, over the years. The way my brother

has navigated this thing solo, it like, it invigorates me, man. You know what I'm saying? It inspires me. And it's not too much rap-wise that inspires me except for the locks. You what I'm saying. Appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, so just his enthusiasm about the game

keeps me, you know, in their headspace. That's dope because yesterday he played us one song and we know what push going to do. But when you're about to rap,

I see everybody's ear open. Everybody's room just, you know, when you got to, fucking German Shephyr, the dopamine, everybody's ear opened in the room and was like, see what mal is coming with

right now, you know what I'm saying? For the one joint they played yesterday, you know, these are my brothers. They both go crazy. But this song, the beat was insane. They switched up the flow. They both, they had the brotherly flow where they was doing the same flow,

but the shit they were saying was great I want to speak to that too man like I think that's where you know the production and being produced as an artist comes into play and that's how you know that's how

I feel like that's how we evolve in this joint too you know I personally I'm you know I want to I just want to rap you know what I just want to rap you mentioned the flow and the patterns and the stencil Stupid.

The hook was insane, too. The thing about it, the thing about that is that, like, you know, that was one of the boxes that we had to check off. Like, it had to be sticky. And when, you know, when Pee be like, yo, it got to be sticky, though. Like, I just don't, you know, he says things like, man, I don't want mixtape verses. No, I want, like, you know, something crafted.

And once, you know, once you go through that process of finding what that melody is or finding what that stencil is, then you inject the steroids in that. You know what I'm saying? That's how, that's the only way to be satisfied for me, to be satisfied doing something in a stencil. You got to be saying something bar for bar.

You know what I'm saying? That's the only time it comes together like a crossword puzzle for me. Y'all nailed it. You nailed it. Thank you. Thank you. I can't make sure.

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but like I say about me, I always get, I'm always proud of you. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, y'all represent that real hip hop, that core, that street. Thank you. You know, and when I see you walking on runways and fucking friends and all that, no, I'm proud of you. Yeah, thank you. So we went for hip-hop.

Like one of us. That's a win for us. It's so hard for one of us. Yeah. For real, we understand. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But when we see you guys walking through that shit, we're like, yo, they let the guys in.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, what that feel like to you when you out in France about to get ready to walk the runway, then you drop the record, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We see Jay going crazy on the side. Jay was going crazy on the side. Like, what that feel like? Man, these are the boxes we trying to check off.

I feel like, I feel like our era is the era that shows that you don't have to age out in hip hop. You know what I'm saying? We don't have, we don't got age out. Like, niggas is nice right now. Facts. And it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like we, and we actually all live it. You know what I'm saying?

like we live it like hip hop ain't just raps to us it's raps as being fly it's like i'm still taking codes from cane you know what i'm saying i'm still taking codes from that era you know what i'm saying so it's like that's what it is to us so it's like you know when you get the opportunity to walk a runway or or get that endorsement deal for me i'm like man i remember when this shit won't even supposed to be here i'm in my dad telling me rap won't gonna be here like i remember Like, man, that it ain't going to be nothing. It's noise. Yeah, all the noise, you know.

In the room. So it's like... It was worse for me. I had a Cuban father. Oh, he doesn't understand you at all. He definitely looked at it. Now, he was telling me the plain truth. He was like, you're not going to make it.

Have you seen any Spanish guys make it in this shit? You're done. And, you know, I'm from the, you know, I'm from the saw you to Bronx. So my father actually saw hip-hop born. He was like, there's no other Spanish people doing this, probably. Like, you have no chance. And I'm on the kitchen, writing on the table. Yeah.

But then they become my biggest fans. Yeah. Oh, what? Yeah. You know. I'll never forget, man. My dad recited Biggs, Flavor in Your Ear verse to me. And I was like, Flavor in Your Ear remix verse.

And I couldn't, I was, I was floored. Floored. I'm like, how? Wait, wait, when did you even come into this? Oh, that's fine. Like, you know, and I was like, man, like this, I mean, that was, that was a time and a point where I was like, oh, no, this, damn, did he even hit you? He even got you recite. Right.

I was fine. I was, you know, I knew big was, I knew big was big then. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I hear a lot of biggie smalls in your flows. Yes. In your cadence. Yes.

Yes. For years. Yes. He was special. You know, that's funny because Drey from Cool and Dre. Shout out my brothers. He said he was a big, like, R&B, Jodacy and all that. He always sent me this story.

His father's Jamaica came in with the Flojo. Finals, you need to be listening to this. Fuck that smooth shit. You need to listen to Fat Joe Flojo. Dre told me that all the time. That's fine. How long it took you out to make this out? Two years.

Two years. Yeah, but to speak to what you were just saying. saying, do you know what clips come from, the name? That's true. That was my next question. Oh, I mean to step. Oh, you guys, go ahead. You got.

I know, I want to. It actually, it was, it was actually, um, fully clips. Fully clips. But we knew you had the full eclipse crew. Yeah. So we chopped it to. Yeah. We had to chop it down.

We were on no smoke. We weren't fucking let you like that. Don't worry. We ain't know. We ain't on no smoke. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No. I want to detail of the business, but right before you, I was about to release the album, something happened with Dev Jam, and I got up out of it. Yeah.

Yeah. How serious it is to be able to do what you want to do and ownership and the bullshit and the politics of the business that after being in something so long, you still have to go through the bullshit. The politics and the business never stops.

Never. I think that's the rule. I think that's the biggest takeaway from us. You know what I'm saying? We ain't been out in 15 years. And it's still the same thing. Yeah, still the same thing. For anybody with some type of business mind,

you can love, you can love rap. Like, we love it, be passionate about it, but it's something with the business side that always discourages you and make you just want to do other things sometimes. Basically, we had the album, had the album, put the album together, so on and so forth. And, you know, they got, we turned it in and we turned it in with the Kendrick verse.

And they didn't want to put it out. They didn't want to put it out. Basically, they didn't, what I feel like, they didn't like the optics while they were going through their lawsuit of, you know, clips, Kendrick together on a song, you know, coming out under UMG with the lawsuit they got going on, so on and so forth. So ended up having a... Basically, y'all got caught in the 211 triple crossed that had nothing to do.

Basically, yeah. You know, it wasn't even on that type of time. No, it happens all the time. It happens to me. Let me finish. I'm finished, man. So, you know, just, you know, so we ended up having to borrow a way out of the situation.

It gets a little tricky because we had a one album deal. Clips did. And then, you know, I would sign there as well. So you can't just, you know The clips couldn't just leave Without me, you know what I'm saying? And so we had to figure it out And here we are.

Rock nation. You were in the position to buy yourself Shout out the hole, man. Yeah, definitely shout out the hole, man. Rock nation. Rock nation, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, man, you know, just whatever, man.

You know, we roll with the punches, bro. Like, man, we hear. That's what we do. That's what we do. Yeah. And always got the faith in the music, man. The faith is always in the music. Like, we always know that shit gonna be right.

So that's, you know what I'm saying? That's what we believe in. Right. Definitely. I've got a tour coming up, a thing I've seen. August 3rd. August, 3rd, and September 10th. 25 dates of just back to back, man.

They sent me a tour bus the other day. I'm like, whoa. Who's like, what? When the last time you seen one that else? the shit's so good to live life when you don't need the bus. I'm like, man, yo. Yo, we used to live on a bus.

Now it's like a bus. The butt, they sent me the bus. They sent there's two buses. You got a sweet, you got a sweet. And around with all these people. I'm like, how do you know I wouldn't want to be around all these people? Yeah, I turn down towards, man. My knees ain't the same than my ankles.

I mean, like, what? Two months? Keep that. Like, you know, I don't think I could do it. Like, I'm going to be fair with you. You know, I do, I work on the week. Right now, I'm gone. Like, I go every weekend, but to do the tour thing every day,

bringing the noise every day, every city. Yeah. I haven't done that in a long time, B. I don't know if I want that opportunity. I'm keeping it real. Amen. Well, for us, you know, I guess with us just being away for so long, it's like, it's the highlight to get back in front of the fans.

You know what I'm saying? So we'll sacrifice that. No, no, they're waiting for you, too. You know, now, too. I love it. Yeah. I'm opposed to the way. He's, I love it.

I love it. I love to get tired of it. Listen, I go see kids every time he in awful, man. You also do pull-ups with one finger, bro. I ain't that. You're not built like. I'm just trying to live, man. In this time and there is a lot of young dudes that look older than everybody on

his couch. Yeah. From the never they put in their body. We also got to understand whether we, we all don't want to take the role model stance, but we are. So, you know, guys prior to us, you know, they fucked up with drugs and all type of shit like that. And it was really hard. We've always loved them for the integrity of the music and what they played for the game.

But these young kids, they're looking at us. There's a young kid right now popping 25 or something who's probably looking at this shit. Like, yo, my OGs look good, bro. I mean, I could look right, I could be right in the future, I could do right. And that's, that's a moral obligation that we don't accept, but we really do accept. Yeah, right. And I can see that and don't. We do.

We're pushing forward the right way so the young brothers and sisters see us and, and, and, no, they can get to the promise land. I got a five-year-old, too, man. So I got to be. You got to be in shape to chase him. He gets loose from you in the park. Yeah. And you can't breathe. You can get out of there on you.

Gotta chase him. Yeah, man. How are you feeling about that album? What's the, I see you had an event. You had to play for the DJs, play a couple sessions. I was the reception. Like Prussia said, man, the faith is in the music. You know what I'm saying?

It's what we believe in. Once we deliver exactly what it is we want to do when it's, sounds the way exactly the way we want it to sound, you know, we don't think about nothing else. We delivered our part and release it and just you know, see the acceptance. However it comes, yeah.

I think the biggest part of a fan, like with me, a biggest part of a fan is like, yo, what the clips are thinking in 2025, like what they're talking about 2025, you know, something, well,

I don't know if you know, but something you get criticized for is talking that heavy weight. Yeah. 20-25, right? Yeah. I got guys to be like, your man, be talking. I'd be like, yo, I love this shit.

Let me chime in on that. The beautiful thing of coming from where we come from and talking to talk we talk is, the challenge is how could he say what he want to say now after having success, having money, be, you know, getting married. I being a family man, still active, still doing this thing. And when you're nice, that's the only challenge. Everybody that keeps saying

he's saying the same thing, they're even fucking listening, right. And they just need something to say because they got the keyboard and not only that, what is everybody else saying? Yeah. What is everybody else saying? I agree with you 1 million percent. I just came off a vacation saying that you'll pay.

I was writing on the plane and it just immediately speaks violence. I just don't know. I'm in the nicest place, Cobbles. Shit is beautiful. I jump on the plane. I got eight out.

And I'm like, when I blow the head off, when I hit, I'm just, it's like, I don't know what people understand. Maybe it's my therapy. Maybe that's what I do.

What is it for you? You know what I liken it to? I liken it to, you know, just having, having a, you know first of all rap has always come

from a very real place you know what I'm saying so it's like for real rap for rap for people that can rap and yeah it comes from a very real place so um you know with that being said and you know being in it

you know 23 years um I feel like at this point I liken it to uh you know only like you know somebody who loves mob movies or a person You know what I'm saying? A person, that's what they choose to.

Like, you know, I don't, I don't watch, I don't watch horror. I watch A&E. You know, it's scarier. I believe it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I liken, I liking my music to that as well. I don't know, man. Listen, you can't please everybody.

But listen, 23 years in this, I'm not trying to please nobody. But myself. That's what I, that's what I care. about like you know i know that that my taste my ear and what it is that i want to hear that resonates with a certain type of person that's the type of person i want to talk to that's the person i like person you know i'm saying that i know the person who says that who said who says like oh you know yeah he talked that heaviness and now that i like man i'm sure i don't even jail with you anyway we don't even like you know that i know that

I know I don't like you. I'm father. I don't like you. But you're not even my type of doing. You're not, man. So I just, you know, I take it with a grain of salt. But, you know, more importantly, I know, I know who my fan is. I don't even call them fans.

I call them family. I know who my family is. Like, I know who I'm talking to. Y'all recorded this album, that Louis? Yeah. Yeah. Just like this, actually. Yeah.

Yeah, like, no, no, it's no booth. I'm just sitting down. Did you mean Louis Vuitton? The headquarter. That's what they recorded. It's respect. Yeah. Yeah.

It's got to stop. It's no boof is just free lines. Yeah. Stop, man. Today, let me say, so we shoot two episodes. I do, I pulled out a little boat tagger because it's rainy outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I got the Louie off.

I said, I better not wear this Louie off because they might come with the shit and and fucking lime green. They got everything, Louie. These guys. I got holl out for real, too, man. I said, don't pay yourself. I didn't get a nice. I haven't seen you in a while for real.

I'm looking for some love, man. He didn't see you those? No. Really? No, no, we didn't get money. He sent me anything. He used to love me. I don't know.

Listen, I definitely thought he sent you those real. He said, man. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're only looking at Jada. I needed to. He didn't. No, I really thought that he did.

Because he would. For real. It's not. No, he will. As I get in contact with him, it's going to be like. Listen, Ferrell has not sent me a quassant. For Louis Vuitton. All, it's put a cueing and a croissant.

A quassant from Louis Vuitton. And, man, I love Farrell. You, I'll tell you something without telling you. I'll tell you in Morris Cole. Somebody was playing with me. And I, somebody was playing. Throw the hoodie on.

was playing with me. And the only person I could think of was Farrell, right? Not him playing with me. But I asked him, I said, yo, I'm having the situation. It's not nothing too crazy. I get a phone call one day like two in the

morning, Farrell. Such and such hangs up the phone. I said, damn, he keeps it 100. He keeps it 10,000 percent. You know, we got to the sauce. We worked everything out. But I mean, like the man Will he

y'all Ferell a real one let me tell you something he'll make the call you won't you won't believe it two in the morning call yo

I'm like okay now I know what we're dealing with you know what I'm saying you gotta know you gotta know you gotta know the hitting hand a certain

situation your Farrell stop man come on hit me give me a headband or something from fucking

Dewey Vitton or something Not because he's showing us I'm just waiting to catch up with him I already know I ain't I ain't stressing because when I see him he's going He's going to show something He's going to show him

Rest and piece to ice pick man Yeah Of course man Definitely Shout out to the whole family Old school family film Right And not everybody

That I was introduced to Oh You got that song That's it Let's not even play. No further. Let's get into this. You came with results.

We walked right in with results. Put it up, though. Yeah, come on. Man. I'm right. Woo. Yeah. American history is full of wise people.

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It's a movement for fans who live Musica Mexicana every single day. Listen to Augusto Papa as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. let me tell you something, man, you guys, man, it's a certain quality in your music, you know, it's just, it's a certain quality because you never missed that, you know what I mean? For real, obviously, that's two for two.

He's going crazy on this album right here, you know what I'm saying? But I also hear, like, when you work with Kanye, when you work with, it's always a certain quality to the music. Like, you know what I'm saying? Tell me, Farrell, it's got something that he can't buy. There's something there. They got some.

Yeah. It's just a different kind of camaraderie and chemistry and energy. Definitely. And synergy. Definitely. And all that shit is just different when they connect is just. And you get the Kedric Lamar, right?

That's not, that didn't sound like a beef record to me. It sounded like. It wasn't. It just sounds like some beautiful shit. Like, don't shit, right? So you just feel. Well, he just said, he said the politics of it. They ain't even, they probably didn't even listen to it,

just hearing the idea of the clips in them. The optics. The optics of it all. They viewed it before viewing it. My thing is, right, when you get into, like, highly publicized battles and shit, everybody think the next 20 records you're rapping about somebody.

You ain't been thinking about that shit. Exactly. Right? Because, I mean, is that the case? Because I think so. I think so. I think that happens a lot. You know, I mean, you know, listen, man, like I said,

we've been in this so long that, like, a surface-level listener is just not my type of person. That's a fact. Like, surface-level listeners ain't for me. Like, man, we're not. I might take that sound bite and use it as a clip on my new album. Yeah. Don't listen to our shit.

Listen to the other shit. It's fine. You didn't make it for it. of you. No, I love that, man. That song right there was crazy, too. Thank you. And Kendra going crazy on that thing.

Black and out. You're going crazy. Like, you know what I'm saying? I've seen it again. I've seen one of his verse about to come on. I see the ears open. Everybody like, yo, what are you got to say? But that's the fun of it.

You know what I'm saying? That's the fun of it. I feel like we miss you guys, man. We're just so happy you guys all back. Thank you. Thank you. Right. So you say somebody like you, right?

We just, you know, we look at you as greatness. Oh, man. You and your brother. No, we do. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, back. Super facts.

Same here. Same here. Yeah. Absolutely. Right? Like, I be thinking like, I had an argument with somebody. We were talking about top female rappers. Who was it?

You, Chris? Somebody told me, yo, Lauren Hill don't rap. I said Lauren Hill don't rap. Right. Right, but no, no, I'm just saying, hold up, right? Okay. I think she's the greatest female rapper, right? But my thing is, she walked away from the game, right?

And then we're like, yo, whiz Lauren, like what, like I feel like I got cheated out of a fan. I could have caught some more albums, right? Like, what is that like when you just, and as a rapper, how do you pay the bills if you just walk away? Yo, let me tell you, man. when I walked away, that was for me. That was for me. That was for my soul. That was for my peace of mind.

That was just for my integrity. You know what I'm saying? If I didn't walk away, ain't no telling what I would be doing, how I would be or whatever. So it was, you know, just take an inventory of my life. I'm much better for it.

I wouldn't trade it for anything. You know what I'm saying? Me being back here now is a it's a passion you know it is it's a luxury and the fact that i get to be with my brother i'm just cool with with with all of that um and you got to understand it's like rap ain't never been the reason i eat steak ever you know what i'm saying so you know i appreciate it i'm very grateful for this opportunity glad to be able to uh be put back in this position and um my god provides man All the time.

And when I left, I didn't leave knowing how the bill was going to get paid. I had no idea. And he showed himself faithful all the way through. I don't even know how the wall stood up, but they did in every car and everything else, too. So I thank them for it. Yeah. Very important. It's funny you say that you felt cheated.

I'll be going through Twitter. And when we dropped Ace Trump, it's one of the biggest tweets was like, They was mad at you. They was like, oh, we've been missing out on this for this long. How dare he do this stuff? No, no, I feel like that. My artist, like him, Lauren, there's a couple of artists that I was like, yo, I wanted more.

I see that tweet. Had a lot of activity. You have to do for yourself. And I'm very, very in tune with God, too. I know that. I know that. I peeve you. I see you.

So I'm always, he always shows himself. Yeah, he does. You know what I'm saying? At moments, I try to tell my brother, you know, brother, he just lost his moms and lost his daughter got hit and run. Sorry to hear that.

And he just was like, he was in front of a church by mistake and the bell started ringing and he was like, yo, Joe, I see what you're saying. Like, she was God. You know, people think they don't see God, but he come. Yeah.

He'll come and let you know. Yeah. Yo, I'm here. For sure. And I got you. For sure. And so I overstand. What you're saying, someplace where me and you can relate

when I hear to this thing, because we're doing this podcast. Okay. So when your new job is talking shit, you're bound to step in shit. And I step in shit all the time. Say it again. Kiss is an innocent bystand.

He'd be on the couch like, oh, my God, not again. That's good, though. But one of the most comments that I get, right, is people saying, And so say I said, I pray for first-class seats. I didn't say I pray for private. I said I pray for first-class seats because the one or two times I went in coach, I sat next to the Beverly Hillbillies, and little kids was throwing packs of potato chips

smacking me in the face and climbing over my shoulder. And I was like, Jesus, please get me back up there. And I pray all the time for first-class seats. Now, I get back-classed. Yo, we both land in at the same time. Joe, you change. You was broke from the hood. Now you want to sit first class.

I get a lot of people. So I would like to believe that, yeah, I grew up poor, but my audience grew up with me. They're not 18 years old no more. Maybe they aspire to want better shit in life. So when I'm up here talking about, it used to be inspirational. Like when you went into the older version. Asperational is where people would be like, yo, I want that.

Yo, I could get that. Now it seems like a backlight. And this hook, what the hook said on the hook right there? Uncle said, nigga, you must be sick. All you talk about is just getting rich. Choke my neck and, Ike my bitch. Beat the system with chains. and whips.

Hello. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about in the nutshell, right? Yeah. So once again, you ain't rapping for them guys. They're not for us.

That's where I got to put it at. They're not on the surface. They're not on the level of fan because I look at the shit and I'm dumbfounded some of this shit. Like, oh, man, you think you rich. You think you live in a life. You think, I'm like, bro, what do you want me

want to be? Exactly. You want me to tell you how broke I am or some shit I got to heat up the house with the stove and shit like that? I think if I could add scripture says seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.

He wants you to have all the desires of your heart just put him first. You're not supposed to be walking around here dusty and destitute. You know, you look at Job. You know what I'm saying? He was, you know, one of the richest people in the Bible. Like God wants you to have. The only thing is we put so much before him, that's when it all goes.

It's always got to be him. Yeah, it's got to be him. That's how I feel like. I spoke at my mother's funeral, and I was just talking about, you know, all the great things and all the sacrifices I seen my mother do. But at the same time, I got to praise him, even when I'm feeling sad or when I'm feeling happy, I got to let them know this was all due to him. Amen. And it's crazy because when you serve God and you're faithful and you put him first, I'm telling you, I keep telling y'all, I think I'm crazy.

Everything you ever want it, it may not come in the time you want it, anything you ever ask for. Amen. You will reveal it one day to me. I swear to God. It's a fact. It's just the way it is. It's a fact. And I tell them.

You can say it until you blew in the face. Yeah, but I tell them all the time. I try sticking people up I try selling drugs I try doing this I try doing that once I try God you ever heard that story

I said about the so I'm in my couch right I'm in Miami I'm by myself no this is a good one Jada you ain't got to hide under the hoodie

this is a godly this is a confession right right right right right right right right you ain't got to hide the testimony

right This is a testament. I'm in my couch. I'm all alone. I'm in my couch all alone. Right? So you think about... Why you got to be so vivid like that?

What do you want me to do? That's what storytelling. I'm talking to you the truth. I'm in my couch all alone. And I'm thinking about why life ain't going so good for me. Why I ain't where I want to be. Why, you know, friends ain't really checking up on me. Why? I'm on one of the

moments I'm sitting down and I live five minutes from my best friend, Calais. Right? So he's up the block. So I'm just sitting there and I'm going through it and it just it hit me. I say,

God. We got to put God first. God is the answer. If we stick with God, it's going to be the truth is this and this and that. So So it hit me. Amen. I finally soaked in it.

Stuff I'm talking now. That was the moment. Amen. I rushed to Callet's house right now. Caled's my little brother I put in the game. You got the $100 million house. He's beyond happy. His own planes.

He's living a life five minutes away. Right? So I got you. Right? So I pull up. Calut usually got security. Guys with A.Ks in front of his house. no security.

I walk in, he got a staff, 15 people. Nobody working. He usually have his wife and kids there. Nobody's in there. I walk all the way in his house. When I walk in, Calla's in the jacuzzi by himself looking the other way. So I said, yo Callet.

Yo, Callet, he doesn't turn around. I said, I've been speaking to God. He turns around and jumps up and goes, God is the greatest, God is the greatest, God is the greatest, God is the greatest. God, it's the greatest, God, it's the greatest, God, it's the greatest. He wouldn't stop. God is the great. So I said,

I said this guy knew all alone, all alone this guy knew and never told me. He never sat me down. You said, yo, Joe, look, I know you want to be tough. I know you want to, but this is it. You know what I said,

that's why when I found out, I started screaming it to everybody. You can't help it. You can't help it. Killers, hustlers, everybody. This is the way. You want to be successful. You want to come up.

Be loyal to God. But I got upset at Calais because he knew when I all I had to say was Yo, Calid, he knows my voice. I've been talking to God. He turned around so fast. God is the greatest. God is the greatest.

God is the greatest. God is the greatest. God is. And I said, yo. Amen. This guy knew the secret. All the God. So that's why we got to. You didn't got to use the hoodie right now. It's a positive.

This is a family show, Jaded Kiss. This is a family show. I'm very rooted in the high sphere myself. You know, if you do my background history. I pray for good health, though. You know what I mean? I think money and luxury and watches and all that stuff will come. I pray that and be healthy and be here.

Right. Have the remaining years with my mom and dad. Amen. Kids. Yeah. And I think everything else will fall in line. Love that. You know, after that.

That's right. What are some of the things you pray for? Oh, man. I pray for that he draws me closer to him and that I seek him diligently. The scripture says he is a rewarder of those who seek him diligently. I'm up three in the morning, like every morning praying because I get woken up up at that time and I get on my face and I pray. I cover all of my family.

I cover all of my nieces and nephews. You know, I mean, this is daily. My wife sees me get up at this time every morning. She know I'm going. I'm going in the closet, close the door behind me. This is every morning. And I think you can't, I think you can pray for whatever you want. There's nothing wrong with praying for things.

So that's fine. I just, I like to wake up. I'm thankful for things like being in my right mind and having my sanity. I pray for friends and family that I know that are going through things, people that are sick or whatever. You know what I'm saying? What you pray for? Man, just my family.

Honestly, just my family. And I just got a whole new outlook with, like I said, with a five-year-old. I got a five-year-old son. Yeah. So it's, man, I just pray to be here for him the whole time. Yeah. I had to watch this whole ride.

With this being, since we took a low, we went to the pulpit for a minute. Let's get back to the album. There's a track on the album. That's how you say way. No, that's how birds don't sing. I want to hear, I want to, you know, I'm just playing. I just playing.

Yeah, I just playing. Yeah, my parents, man. For sure. Yeah. Our parents, um, passed away four months apart. Wow. Yeah.

So, uh, November 21 and March 22. Yeah. November 21, my mom, uh, March, March 22, um, our father. And, um, so birds don't sing is featured. and John Legend and Stevie Wonder on the Keys and the song

is basically my last conversation with my mom speaking to it and his last conversation with our dad and tough, tough record, man super tough record to write

to do... Yeah, yeah. I mean, gut-wrenching the whole time. That's the kind of pain that I need. I can't wait the head. You need to hear that?

And just, it had, it actually starts the album. Everybody puts that, you know, puts a record like that at the, at the bottom of the last joint. Nah, this joint actually starts the album just to set the tone to show you the depth. And just where we are, you know, how we're feeling, honestly, before we get into all the chaos. You know, we don't know that. We got a lot of friends that, you know, I lost my brother, my mom. my father, then my mother, all in like a four-month fragrance, too. Wow.

You know, and all my friends, you know, not to say his business in May, it would have been right here, you know, his mom just got sick last night. I think I'm hitting the age where my brother, Serge, his mother just passed away two days ago. I'm hitting the age where a lot of my friends are starting to lose their parents and they can really, really use that and relate to that because this is the type of thing. I've seen people lose their mind, right? So my biggest fear in life was always,

if I lose my mother, am I going to go crazy? Literally, schizophrenia or some shit. Right, right. I had that fear my whole life. And so with friends of mine's lost parents, I would really check in on them because I'd be like, yo, there's the type of shit that, you know,

it takes a lot to stop me. It takes a lot. You know, my mom's died the next day we were shooting Joe and Jeter. It takes a lot. So if I know I'm scared that that shit might stop me, I check on my friends. Right. Because that's, that is, you know, that's it to me. You know, thank God, God.

That's right. Give me the strength and I'm still here and we're still working and we still doing what we got to do. And I'm not going to lie to you. I'm happy. I'm not depressed. You know, I'd rather my parents not suffer than suffer. Right. You know, it might be a cliche.

but, you know, if your parents is there suffering, you know what I'm saying? You rather them not suffer, but that's beautiful that you, that's hard. Because I wrote a record to my mom's, she was fully alive and I was crying the whole time. Yeah, man. You know what I'm saying?

Because you think about how your mom sacrificed for you. Yeah. But, you know, I know it was Father's Day. I know me and you, we got some brown socks and some turkey bacon. Father's never get nothing for Father's Day. But there's nothing like a mother, right? At all.

Wait, I don't know about you. I don't know. I didn't think I could carry a baby for nine months. Like, carry a baby for nine months. Give a baby organs. Like, you know how hard that, have you ever, like, I don't think us men have really, you know, I see some of my friends, they run it through nine kids in a row.

Like, they got home working. Like, and I'm just like, this shit is crazy out here. Like, you cannot compare a mother to a father, just my opinion. And I have a great father. Rest of peace. I had a great father, right? He was with us. Never abandoned us.

My mom's caught cancer. He never left my mom's. He raised my son, Joey. You know, I got too much to be grateful for. But, you know, the mom dudes is it so I get it. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I'm with you.

Yeah. The train is. baby the train is coming now yeah make sure y'all download stream however you get the album and your albums let god sort them out this is real music arguably the album of the year and i only heard two songs easily you know what i mean he's my brothers right here they stand for what i stand for we represent the same thing and we appreciate them on the joe and jay the show make some noise for the clips malice. Thanks for having it.

Thanks for having it. Loyalty on the couch. And let me tell you something. Y'all are our first rap guests. Oh, man. You set the ball. We're honored. You set the ball off.

You're on Duxley. You, they don't disrespected nobody else, but. Let me tell you something. They keep coming. I'm not going to say your name. You can't have Joe Smow at it. Hold up. Hold on you.

You don't say that. No, they keep coming. Like, yo, such and such when it be on the show, such and sets wouldn't be on the show, such and such as a... We had to have some

Cornyn's like, if they're not... He's like, if they're not, they're not, they're sitting on this couch. I only want dudes like y'all

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