Joe and Jada - Fat Joe & Jadakiss' BEST DEBUT RAP ALBUMS: Biggie, Nas, Jay-Z, DMX, 50 Cent, N.W.A., OutKast & MORE

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are BACK and they're digging in the crates to break down the best debut rap albums in hip hop history. They talk about the legacies of albums like 'Illmatic' by Nas, 'Ready To Die...' by The Notorious B.I.G., 'Get Rich Or Die Tryin'' by 50 Cent, 'It's Dark And Hell Is Hot' by DMX, 'Straight Outta Compton' by N.W.A., 'Reasonable Doubt' by Jay-Z, 'Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik' by OutKast, 'The Chronic' by Dr. Dre, and many more. Take a walk down hip hop's memory lane as Joe and Jada swap stories about Big Pun, Grand Puba from Brand Nubian, The Game, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, and a whole list other rap legends. 5:15 - 'Illmatic' the BEST album EVER? 7:15 - 'King Of Rock' by Run-DMC 10:25 - 'Criminal Minded' by Boogie Down Productions 12:30 - 'Yo! Bum Rush The Show' by Public Enemy 15:00 - 'Paid In Full' by Eric B & Rakim 17:45 - 'Straight Outta Compton' by N.W.A. 20:30 - 'Three Feet High And Rising' by De La Soul 28:00 - 'People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths of Rhythm' by A Tribe Called Quest 29:15 - 'Making Trouble' by Geto Boys 31:15 - 'Mr. Scarface Is Back' by Scarface 33:15 - '2Pacalypse Now' by Tupac 36:00 - 'Too Hard To Swallow' by UGK & 'The Great Adventures Of Slick Rick' by Slick Rick 40:15 - OutKast & Juvenile 41:15 - 'Juvenile Hell' by Mobb Deep 42:30 - 'It's Dark And Hell Is Hot' by DMX 44:15 - 'Capital Punishment' by Big Pun 48:30 - 'Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)' by Wu-Tang Clan 51:00 - 'One For All' by Brand Nubian 58:30 - 'Get Rich Or Die Tryin'' by 50 Cent 1:01:30 - 'Reasonable Doubt' by Jay-Z 1:03:15 - 'Bacdafucup' by Onyx 1:05:00 - 'The Documentary' by The Game 1:06:30 - 'Ready To Die' by The Notorious B.I.G. 1:08:00 - 'Faces Of Death' by Bone Thugs-N-Harmony 1:11:45 - 'The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill' by Lauryn Hill 1:13:30 - 'Hard Core' by Lil' Kim [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] Joe and Jada now on Patreon All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:30 In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you're doing it. Five, six white people. Pushed me in the car. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denials is easier. Complex problem solving takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer, chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City.
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Starting point is 00:02:38 Let me tell you something. We're the biggest in the motherfucking globe. Don't let nobody fucking tell you anything else. We got everybody back paddling, everybody changing up, how they doing? You know, these podcasts, they're changing up, telling stories now about the time. Like they're changing the whole Swagger they shit But they still got dingy black t-shirts on
Starting point is 00:03:00 They ain't got the fly shit on They ain't that shit on And Jayda, I ran I ran into you on Fifth Avenue The other day the cars just passed You know He was doing a little browsing Spitting a couple thousand
Starting point is 00:03:16 I love that shit You love it, huh? I love it too Every time I got a little extra dollar I just want to go You know what I'm saying Get fly, get fresh, you know what I'm saying? That's my shit right there.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Joe and Jada, we're dictating the whole podcast game. If we listen to your record, it's your new single. If we talk that shit, it is what it is. Viral man, man. I mean, it's what it is. I just like to be relevant, talk about shit that means something to somebody. When you got top dead or alive, top five. dead or alive and you got Joe Crack here.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Oh, you fucking can't lose. Can't lose. And so today we want to do an evergreen meaning, you know, we don't need a guess. We don't need none of that. Tell you the truth, some of our, well, we love all our guests, but some of our greatest shows have been just me and you discussing hip hop. Because we've been around since day one. You know, I was, you know.
Starting point is 00:04:21 You've been around since day one. No, no, I've been around... I've been around since day three or four. You've been around since... I've been around since day two, you think? Ah, day two. Right? I get you day two.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Day one, I was just a kid. A baby watching them do it, but I watched them do it. Ruby Dee grew up around the corner, first Latino MC. He was in a furious live. No, no, he was in fantastic romantic five. Shot Rock, the first female emcee was not a block.
Starting point is 00:04:48 What's the name of the legendary movie, man? Wild style. Wild style. Ruby Dee is in that. And they're battling with Charlie Chase and Cold Crush, Grandmaster Kaz and them. Yeah, Ruby D's in there. But what I'm trying to say, my neighborhood, Melly Mell, Grandmaster Flash, all of them. You know, I felt like guys wasn't doing this right.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Like, you know, it's the reason why when we watch T&T, you see Charles Barkley, you see Shaquille O'Neill, you see Kenny Smith. These are all legendary figures that have been through everything in the basketball game. So I said, yo, me and Jada got to get into this. The subject we came up with today, it's a legendary subject, is artists. Another religious argument. Another religious, hey, that's what it's about. You know, me growing up, even more than growing up,
Starting point is 00:05:39 even when I was in the streets, we were break nights just arguing about who's the greatest rapper, who got the best bars, who got shout out my boy shot. We used to go to 148, used to like Dane to Dane. I used to like Slick Rick. That's your normal shit in the hood. So today, I don't think it's a debate or nothing like that,
Starting point is 00:05:59 but we're thinking about the best debut albums from our artists. Who? Best debut albums. From our artists. Not groups. Artists. No, artists. It could be whatever, but it's really, yeah, it could be groups.
Starting point is 00:06:17 It's going to be here forever. You could be here for, for it. We can be here forever because Illmatic might be the best piece of art ever made in hip-hop records. Nas Illmatic, pure hip-hop, that changed my life. What was it like for you? Like it was written better. You know, I got, Richard Barber says the same thing. Which the barber says the same thing.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Well, Il-Matic did something to my soul, but it was written did something. to my bloodstream. Yeah, that's the second album. It feels like it was written. It was like it should be in the Google. To me, Illmatic just changed the whole game, changed how everybody was rapping. You know, now it's coming from a legendary project
Starting point is 00:07:09 like Queensbridge under MC Shan and Molly Mall and all these guys. And then it gave you a modern-day glimpse at the time of what Queensbridge was about. And so to me, you know, well,
Starting point is 00:07:25 that's crazy because, you know, I got some friends who say the same thing you say. You see, man. Well, I ain't seen. King of rap, the king of rock.
Starting point is 00:07:32 debut album? 1984. King of rock. Run DMC taught us how to dress with the blazes with the Adidas. They had the first endorsement
Starting point is 00:07:44 ever. Level. Deid suits. You know what? Doors that come back. You know what's crazy. as I remember when we did the 50th anniversary in Yankee Stadium.
Starting point is 00:07:55 I felt like they did them wrong because they made them close even though it was run DMC because it was like late they started like two, three in the morning. That showed out the two days and one day should have been and one day should have been
Starting point is 00:08:10 none of anybody happened. I agree. I got to wait until all this. You know what I mean? Man, when run these... I was on the sprinting watching it. when Rundee MC came out and it was like
Starting point is 00:08:22 the kings of rock you knew that this was like you two Rolling Stones the legends of all legends the blueprint that this I was watching it like a little kid I performed already
Starting point is 00:08:37 I went upstairs with my family I was like yo this is I can't believe they made music like this and I could tell you I was in junior high school and at the time the treacherous three they had that lights
Starting point is 00:08:53 camera asked me Kumu di action come on come on and everybody was rocking the dad at a talent show I was at a talent show you know I sung
Starting point is 00:09:00 John Hall and um what is it John Hall and now notes I sung on stage she only come out
Starting point is 00:09:07 and not the meaning and the only I nothing could do I seen this here before meanwhile everybody's dancing in hip hop
Starting point is 00:09:17 And three girls. All in crack. All and crack. No, junior high, junior high. I think you almost had to join the talent show. I did a talent show. Yeah? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I think it was part of the curriculum. And man, these three girls came on and they told the DJ to play, and they played that. It's like that. And that's the way. I watched hundreds of kids in the Bronx. created hip hop. I don't know any other way to explain it to you. They was not ready to give it to any other borough or whatever.
Starting point is 00:09:56 When that shit came on, I watched all the kids in the whole junior high look at each other like. It was like an alien. It was like AI with some new shit. Everybody looked at each other like, oh, it's over. These are the new kings of hip-hop. It was one play. The whole auditorium was like, oh, my God, what's this?
Starting point is 00:10:17 So Run DMC, definitely, they cracked in the whole, the whole, I don't think me and you have a TV. We don't have a podcast right now if it ain't for Run DMC. I don't think we got nothing. They took this game to the next level. If it ain't for Run DMC. Who else you're thinking about? Boogie down productions, man, criminal-minded came 1980s. What da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Starting point is 00:10:47 When I, you talk it. I wasn't even going there like that. To teach it. Man. Stay in the Bronx, no way. Run DMC made it on a higher level when you talk about street. 1987 was a fucking crazy year, dog. It was crazy, right?
Starting point is 00:11:05 Holy know. Criminal-minded, criminal-minded, you know, K-R-S-1 sucked us in. Oh, man. Oh, shit. Aye, aye, y'allie. he got us on the cover looking like Malcolm X with a machine gun but at the same time he was kicking consciousness in the music the first time I ever heard consciousness in music
Starting point is 00:11:34 was criminal-minded you know and him Scott LaRott you know the story behind him he was homeless and then they became the biggest and they represented my borough For me, I was willing to die for CARES 1 and didn't even know him. Just felt like he was my idol. He was the icon. He was the Hercules at the Bronx.
Starting point is 00:11:57 And South Bronx, I remember I was in Cortland Avenue and the DJ came and said, we got a new artist. It was CareRs 1. He was this skinny. He had a Bob Marley T-shirt on and a roster hat.
Starting point is 00:12:13 He did the South Bronx. By the time he did the South Bronx. He did it twice. By the times he did it again, the whole block party was going, South Bronx, South, South Brawn. It was like a one listen. And the next thing you know, that shit was crazy. Criminal-minded, to me, one of the greatest albums ever made the hip-hop records. But of course, one billion percent. I'm biased. Shout up. Take it to Long Island.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Okay. Joe Bumrush the show. Public enemy. Man. Public enemy Chalk Flavve the S1W Terminator X Terminator X. He should have the first
Starting point is 00:12:54 sunglasses deal. You're wearing those glasses right now because it's Terminator X, nigga. You ain't bullshit. Terminator X should have had the first glass deal. Well, I'll tell you were at the first of everything, Flav or Flav. The first reality show to me.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Flav and Flav was just it's so weird, Because Chuck Chalkin all this black militant, all this and Flavor Flavers, 911's a joke. Like, he's just, Flav was like the funny guy from the block. And the two,
Starting point is 00:13:27 it's almost like Fat Joe and Jada. Like, nobody thought. I ain't Flav, though. No, I'm not saying that. I'll talk to you Flake. I'll be Flav. I don't got a problem. I love Flavis.
Starting point is 00:13:39 The point I'm saying to you is our dynamic, Somebody could have looked at this podcast to begin with it said, oh, no. It's not going to work. No way Jay did Joe going to work, but somehow the chemistry is perfect. You got Chuck D. Talking that shit.
Starting point is 00:13:55 And then you got Flav of Flav, who's really a bug out. But we love him. He got his own dance, his own shit. And so they just kicked in the door for Black Consciousness. And they birthed, I think, I want to say they birthed everybody like the poor righteous teachers.
Starting point is 00:14:17 There are all the groups that came out after them preaching the message, consciousness. But their beats was ridiculous. The beats, who did the beats again for... Hank Shockley and the bomb squad did Ice Cube's album two after he had. When he came over here, he came over here to Long Island. Going too much. You're going too fast, man. I'm going too fast.
Starting point is 00:14:45 I don't know what the fucking list is. Right now, we skipped it, and we just doing, like, tutorials of, we got away from what we was talking about. You know what I think? I think you have a timeline, and I'm fried, like, I'm fried. No, look, 1927. My shit, 1927, my shit, 97, my shit all.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Eric, me and Rock Kim, 1987, man, paid it full. We can stop right here. paid in full. Do you know how credible that? There's some pull-ups in that fucking jail, huh? Them pull-ups.
Starting point is 00:15:23 This thing is laughing. In that jail? Full-ups. Boy, they torch you, huh? You try to fuck with them jail niggas in the gym. The nigger got you tortured right now. You got about a weak fracture. You'll be good
Starting point is 00:15:36 in a week, though. I just need a small Asian lady, oh, my. Okay. Oh, you hot rocks. Sound like the good shit. I need shit like that. I'd all you, hot rocks. Rescue.
Starting point is 00:15:48 I need rescue. Hate it full. Change the game. Tap of Dan Jackets, big drunk, crazy shit that can lock the store up with ropes. Rose Royce. Deadly. Rose Royces, yeah, early.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Rose Royce. Old-fashioned things. Eric B had that Rose Royces early. Had a time. They was doing shit. They had the whole Brooklyn with him. Killer Ben for Fort Green. The Supreme Magnetics, the real 50.
Starting point is 00:16:18 The 50 cent, the original stick-up kid. I mean, they came with- Crazy. Our fifth end of that. Yo, they came with the whole package and the music. Some people do rock him the best of all time. They don't know that it was Eric B's record deal, and they put him with Rock him.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Eric B had the deal. I've never understood that. It's not Rock Kim and Eric B. Yeah, well, the DJ was always jaddy drafting Fresh Prince back at that time. It was Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five. You saying Eric B had the deal. I'm telling you what I heard from them is Eric B had the record deal and they went and put him with Rock.
Starting point is 00:16:58 You know what I'm saying? Man, they put him with the best. Hell yeah. That's another one of them, Joe and Jay, they put, make this work, and it worked fucking tremendous. You know, I think I got my whole ice grill from Eric B. When Eric B used to be like,
Starting point is 00:17:12 no, I'm telling you. Eric B is the first nigga that was dead serious in hip hop. It's the ice grill. When I never forget, I shot his expression. I shot pun's first video,
Starting point is 00:17:25 right? It's Rayquam, me, Nory, and I threw on the sky blue shoot and I stepped behind pun. Pum was rapping. You're my darling, darling, and I got this ice grill. And the whole time I'm telling them,
Starting point is 00:17:37 I'm like, yo, this is the Eric B. So remember I got to be Eric B You used to stand with Ray Raq Kim I had to be Fat Joe the rapper When pun rap I could be Eric B So I'm standing back there
Starting point is 00:17:51 With the ice grill like Darling darling baby Changed our lives Who else you got on the list 1888 Straight out of coffee Whoo Oh, wait.
Starting point is 00:18:08 Those boys came fucking express yourself. They came talking that crazy shit, man. You want to know where I was at when I first heard NW.A? Compton. I was in 125th in Dapper Dan. And that shit came up on there on video music box. And when I tell you, it was noisy. Everybody was doing anything.
Starting point is 00:18:31 The whole fucking place stopped in silence and looked up at the screen. was like an easy year and the miggas had the flame throwers and they wanted for the cops this
Starting point is 00:18:43 anybody who was there and changed their life right then and there me as a rapper around that time I was thinking about getting into rap
Starting point is 00:18:54 they let me know you can rap about anything fuck the police don't matter just don't bite it there's the world like they was doing
Starting point is 00:19:03 shit that nobody else was doing So they, like, transformed me as a... I never forget. After I discovered NWA, I was in my aunts, not my aunt's, my grandmother's house at Washington. I wrote a rhyme,
Starting point is 00:19:19 and the rhyme completely turned into, fuck you, suck my dick, your mother, this, that, this, this, this, like the influence. Man. Because we had never seen nobody running from the cops. We had never seen nobody saying, fuck the police.
Starting point is 00:19:33 We heard stories like the message. Grandmaster Flash and Furious Five. We heard songs like that, but we never seen somebody dedicate a whole classic album to that. And you see the careers that spawned off. You got Dr. Drake. Some say the greatest producer of all time. You got MC Rent.
Starting point is 00:19:56 You got Ice Cube. You got EZE. All these guys. DJ Yellow, all these guys, they had D.O.C. around that time. Boy, D.O.C. was one of my favorites, man. Oh, my God, the formula.
Starting point is 00:20:11 But, you know, we got Dre beats because of that shit. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, the legs and the people they put in the game, you know, no Dr. Dre, no M&M, no Dr. Dre, no 50 cent. No game. Like, that whole album just like, Snoop, Dog, Pam.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Snoop Doggown. Like, Doggy style. Doggy style got to be on list. I'm jumping ahead of time. Here, you got to, you're in the time caps. I do not know your list. You know this years ahead of with me. I'm going off the top. This is a freestyle. Straight out of Compton.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Can't be next to doggy style. No, no, it's way earlier. They lost soul, man, 1989. Pot holes in my life. Refeating rise. Pot holes in my lawn. One of these is before. I'm a little bit younger. or, you know what I'm going to get any guard in something.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Okay, so De La Soo had gangster guys like me that was running blocks and was doing all type of wild shit playing boom, boom, boom. Answering service, I'll say this, sorositive. And then, man, and, like,
Starting point is 00:21:23 I knew I was an asshole. I remember driving in the bends looking at those ice grilling them and playing, dung, doom. Answering service like a state of, Purologger, they have to be, yo, these guys is all the way loose. These guys is crazy.
Starting point is 00:21:40 De LaSoul started that whole preppy college, Daisy Age. I believe they started all that Queen Latif, Moni Love, Chutiff, the native tongue thing. I want to say, could be, it could be a tribe court quest. Well, I want to say that all brought all that shit together. But the first time I seen kids being in classrooms and videos and being nice guys, and it wasn't just I got it made. It was de la so.
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Starting point is 00:27:48 1990. Drive called Quest. There you go. People's instinctive travels in the paths of rhythm. Now that right there was totally different. The production on that album,
Starting point is 00:28:04 they probably had the best quality that we heard till that moment. They had the first like audio, like the drums and snares was hitting. That shit was crazy. Y'all, I might have played that album
Starting point is 00:28:16 1000 times, bro. When Biggie says, my tape pop, till I tape pop. That shit, that album was such a work of art. Q-Tip. Fife Dogg.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Fife Dogg was one of my favorite rappers, although he was simple. He was one of my favorite rappers ever in the history. And what they started, Tribe Corps Quest. To this day, musically, I believe we should ask him producers that. To this day, I think producers study that first album and how they put that shit there. They were so futuristic. They had guys doing the robot voices back then, okay, this and this and that.
Starting point is 00:28:58 They, they, they was far ahead of their time. Salute Q-Til. The 1991, man. Ali Shahee. Scarface, Mr. Scarface. I guarantee you. Who the fucking Fred? So Scarface is before the ghetto boys
Starting point is 00:29:16 because I got their album as the classic. Oh, shit. I missed it. Ghetto Boys is 1989. Okay. Rip it on that other level. Go on that other than. Goong,
Starting point is 00:29:27 Get a voice with tribe in there. Bing, tic-a-tick-a-tiket to come-pang, boom-pang. That ain't mind playing trick. Liza can't sleep. No, that's on that album. That first album. That song alone changed my life. And let us know that there was guys in the South kicking gangsters shit.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Everything cinematically from the videos to the music, It was crazy. I remember, what's the video with Scarface's, the girl's counting money? And he goes in her bra and pulls out the money like she stole the money. You know what I'm saying? In the video, I mean, Scarface is every rapper's favorite rapper. He's Jay-Z's favorite and we asked him. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:30:15 Besides B-I-G. Scarface, him in the ghetto boys, Willie D, Bushwick Bill. I used to hang out with Bushwick Bill. Yes. man I've been around a long time maybe the fever it might have been the fever I'm the first guy I took Scarface in the Bronx I took her to the projects he was like
Starting point is 00:30:37 you guys live like this because you know Texas even to this day is all spread out he couldn't believe that we had 20 floors of dudes living in the Jex I took him to the wedge the wedge in Hunts Point I mean I'm a ghetto at that time I was straight
Starting point is 00:30:54 ghetto so you wasn't going to get nothing but ghetto for me. I never forget, he asked me, a biggie song came on. One of the first biggie soul's. He was like, yo, who's that guy? Man, I like Biggie Swans. He's like, yo, he's fire. He was like, yeah, that guy is dope.
Starting point is 00:31:10 You know what I'm saying? So the ghetto boys, you know, shout out Jay Prince. You know, we always try to shout out Texas and rap a lot. Definitely. Shout out. It's an independent game. Houston, Dallas. Houston, Dallas. I just came from Dallas. Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin.
Starting point is 00:31:26 1991, then now is Mr. Scarface. 1991, Scarface is back. That's when that came. Scarface is back. What kind of impact Scarface had to you? Would you too young or it was around you? No, I mean, heard of the ghetto boys first, then face. And it seemed like he just gravitated to what I was doing
Starting point is 00:31:50 and what I wanted to do. I mean, he's some of the, besides the ghetto boys, some of the first shits we've seen from Houston for me was Scarface video. He's legend of Mr. Mr. Scarface, huh? You know what happened
Starting point is 00:32:04 with that album right there? I think it was the first time I went down to the ATL. And you remember what is it? New Jack City? Remember the brown-skinned
Starting point is 00:32:18 girl dancing to I want to sex you up? That shit never like a man, I fell in love with that song from that girl dancing. She was like Keisha from Belly. The girl, remember they was fighting over her? Yeah, the red satin.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Man, you remember that. I went in the ATL strip club for the first time, and there was some girl up there dancing to that Mr. Mr. Scarface. I drove back to New York. I played that song 10,000 times, just thinking about that girl dancing to that shit. And that's how influential we watch, like, videos and shit like that. You might love a visual, and then you start to gravitate and love that song.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Shout out to Scarface. Another one in 1991, Tupac, Tupacalypse. Now, I don't really know too much about that one. Yeah. It was very early. You know, we talk about the greatest debut albums. You know what I'm saying? So, Tupac, you know, All Lives on Me, all that other work was more,
Starting point is 00:33:26 prolific than the first album. Not can tell you much. What was on the first album? Brenda's got a baby. Two Pogolubes now is the first album. Brenda got a baby. You know, that was legendary. I think I could have did that.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Stop. You know, Brenda's Got a Baby was like very, it resonated. You know, in my protests, I've seen a lot of shit, man. I've seen... Oh, tell me you've seen a baby in the golf. What I'm going to tell you, He's dead.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I watched dudes jump off the roof on Angel Dust. Oh, yeah. I see that over there. No. Other day, somebody was on dust and jumped off the roof. Yeah. Damn. He's still doing that.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Y.O. How about this? Somebody in Y.O. What kind of day is this? Somebody went outside to smoke a cigarette. Somebody jumped off the roof and landed on. Joe. Come on.
Starting point is 00:34:25 What kind of? Not a comment. Yo, yo, yo. That's no, yo, yo. That's no cat. That happened is wild. So, yo, let me go tell. Let me go blow a bogey with a person.
Starting point is 00:34:38 So he's done too, right? Double dead. Double dead. No way. Holy shit. I heard everything. You ever think about when they say the plane crash? That shit really fall down on somebody's house.
Starting point is 00:34:51 And motherfucker, imagine you in your house. And the plane fall in, you're gone. That's it. I play. What kind of fucking luck is that? Double dad? Uzi your Hearst. Uzi your Hearst leave you double dad.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Huh? I'm a bubble head. I never listened to nothing. My mama said. Yo. 1992. But what I was going to tell you is that that was happening in the hood. That girls couldn't come home,
Starting point is 00:35:20 unfortunately, until their parents, they were pregnant. They would do abortions. Disposed of the baby. It's leaving at the Chinese spot. We're not telling them to do that. We never said that was right, but they was doing that. That's what Brenda got a baby was about. Poor Brenda.
Starting point is 00:35:38 1992, man, UGK. Too hard to swallow. Rest in peace. PimC. Shout out to my brother Bunn, man. On B. You got any UGK stories? Yeah, I was there when Pips C got locked up in the ATI.T.
Starting point is 00:35:53 He pulled the choppers out to Toronto. He was about to shoot. the place and I was there at a boxing match, yes sir. Pimsy was different. He was one of them guys just don't give a fuck. And if he felt the way
Starting point is 00:36:10 about you, he'd tell you right to your face right there and now he really, I used to really see him walking around with white furs and shit like that, like the video. He was like a pimp. He was Pimp C. And he was, and he's fall from pussy. And if you
Starting point is 00:36:25 fucked with him. He was going to do what he had to do. What you got next, brother? 1922. Why are we going through the years, man? Just call out the most incredible. First of all, you get a light flag and you get too black.
Starting point is 00:36:41 What do I do now? Oh, my God. He should be fucking punished the guy who sent it this stupid ass op-ed. He only put his greatest debuts on there. That's why everything
Starting point is 00:36:57 had fucked up. Those are the songs that he believed is his greatest debut. Yeah, why were y'all touching that, man? Like, I'm touching that. Don't, don't.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Slick's great adventures. Slick Rick is definitely the Great Adventures is Slick Rick is by far one of the greatest debut albums of all fucking times. I don't give up in any genre of music.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Not even just rap. And music in general. My little fuck is? I was living in Crackhead Hotel. Oh, shit. I came out. True story.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Left my mother's house and I was like 14. Hustle the same day. So most disrespectful shit you can think of in the world. Imagine your kid leaves your house at 14. You look out the window. He's selling crack.
Starting point is 00:37:46 Dead ass an hour later. He's outside. Like little Joey is outside. And although I used to act tough, For my age group, I had to actually sleep in a crackhead hotel was like $35 for the night. When I tell you, they was busing dudes heads open with 40 ounces all night. All you heard was the cops, whee, we're busting dudes' heads open. I opened my hotel door and women were shooting heroin in the AIDS epidemic.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Open the door, they shooting dope in my face. Meanwhile, I'm staying here by myself And all I'm playing is Slick Rick music In my headphones to get me through the night So he gave me the courage To even just make it to the next day And get back on my shit So even though I was living that type of life
Starting point is 00:38:43 I was terrified Slick Rick's music is what got me through that time What else you got for me, brother? You don't even want to add nothing for me, huh? So I did Nass Helmatic way too early on. F shit's out. I mean, it ain't e-minute of the time. There ain't no timeline, reasonable doubt.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Okay, I want to say... Fuck shot shorty. Fucking Black Moon. Into the stage is fucking crazy what it did for me. The flows. The beats. The flows. Anything.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Into the stage is one of the greatest debuts. Is his debut? Yeah, that's his first album. If we go on there, we got to go to the original. We got to go to Gangstar. Hey, Starr. What's their first album? Shit.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Jesus Christ. Gangstar, yo, Primo. One of the greatest producers of all time. Him, Guru, to me, was like a professor. He was like a Michael Maxa hip-hip. He was talking that shit, that consciousness. but in a slick tone, way ahead of his time. Let me tell you, I'm going to go back to the South.
Starting point is 00:40:02 I'm going to say Outcast, Southern Player, Listick. This is what we hear about Outcast and Southern Player, this is the first time I ever saw them videos in the backwoods and all that. We had some brothers in the ATL putting it down who love hip-hop. That was like real pure hip-hop too as well. And that started, if we think about all the shit ATL brought after that, they kicked that bitch off.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Then we get the goodie mob and everything else for Southern Planned Listic. I want to go to Juvenile's 400 degrees. You heard they mention the versus cash money and no limit. Juvenile, 400 degrees. That album's crazy. That whole movement when they came out
Starting point is 00:40:47 just took the world by storm. The pronunciation of words, there's everything. They shift this shit. He's shifted shit. Shout out to Jut. Jewel. Jury's still active. I know I'm all over the place, but we got to go, uh,
Starting point is 00:41:05 Mobb Deep, first album. Your first album is not the infamous if you're a real mobbed deep thing. It's not the first, the first Mardibe. Ha, ha. Ha, ha. That ain't the first album. What was their first album? Juvenile Hell is their first album.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Hell is hot. Little kids. Juvenile hell. They was little, they was young. Well, they don't make the list then. Because they're the first two. I'm just going off quarter of a long. Yeah, they debut album was Juvenile.
Starting point is 00:41:39 The debut to the world on a bigger. So they can't make that. But the infamous still, the infamous is like, holy grail. To the world, they thought that was the first. Holy grail of hip-hop. Infamous is holy good Some people say the best album Ever made
Starting point is 00:41:53 Some people say that I drove around Like a couple of months ago With Rich the barber He knew every word And we just drove around We ice grill people We just on our shit
Starting point is 00:42:04 We felt tough Ice grill people It's crazy Yo, we felt tough But that ain't their debut So That's not what we're talking about We're talking about the debut
Starting point is 00:42:13 We're talking about your man DMX It's dark The hell is hot Shit shit Oh crazy and a lot of that shit's all old how about that
Starting point is 00:42:27 he came out so five million with old rhymes that's crazy because I get bad at people who want to bring back old shit like I'm like yo getting the studio work right now he took records and rhymes that I heard we heard them before years before the world heard
Starting point is 00:42:44 and it still went five wasn't the same beats wasn't the same rhymes though Not all of them Just a nice percentage of that first album We heard it before in YO It was still powerful What was that like to see him
Starting point is 00:42:59 I mean you know you're around Pige He was already a star for us Like in the hood Y'all in the hood X was already like He was already a star in YO In every hood When he come through it was
Starting point is 00:43:10 He was he can put on Yeah he used to do shows In school 12 And he had big battle He had an infamous battle He had two battles, but one of them is more better than all With another with another iconic dude rapper from WIO Bill Blast, Mega Blast.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Him and X had a big battle. It was crazy. That shit was over like five in the morning. Everybody spent the night at my house, I almost got my ass killed because my mouths came in rooming everybody. You was out there at the battle. You was watching. Yeah, I couldn't miss that.
Starting point is 00:43:44 That was part of, I'd rather did anything than I missed that shit. I don't care what the consequences was. You couldn't miss that if you were from YO action to get Painestaff versus DMX. You know what I'm saying? She was dope. Man. She was history in YO.
Starting point is 00:44:02 You know, Big Pung Capital Pun, punishment, my executive producer debut, I feel like Pum was ahead of his time. A lot of those guys that we got featured on his album and all that was like, they came on the strength of me. even know who Pum was, but I also knew that the minute I pressed play and they started hearing the music that they were going to want to get on the album. So everybody you hear on that capital punishment album, they came, most of them even thought they was doing songs with me. I was already
Starting point is 00:44:36 had two albums out. And when they came, I was like, nah, you got to hear my man. And man, that album was speaking for itself. Since the first day we went in there, it just kept getting getting better and better and better. And then the song of the Dream Shatterer had an ill-a-beat before. It was like a victory, like a biggie victory. It was like the beat was too fucking, you know, a lot of minds are known to stay. And it's, it was crazy, but it was just a beautiful joy effort.
Starting point is 00:45:10 And, you know, first soloist, Latino artists to sell two million records, changed the game I think we had 10,000 platinum parties everywhere we went there was a platinum part they used to bring it
Starting point is 00:45:25 I think Punter had the same people bringing the same plat would be in the tunnel anywhere yo it's platinum start reincarnating the fucking platinum shit
Starting point is 00:45:35 you know he was he was witty he was incredible lyrically phenomenal and he put some hits out the park man that capital
Starting point is 00:45:43 punishment when it sets off with that, I gave you fair warning, beware. And man, and you know what's craziest being that I'm part of this album, you know, it's hard for me to be from the outside in. I always wondered what rappers felt like when they heard Punt's first album and you hear, Beware. And what that felt like when you press play on that thing?
Starting point is 00:46:10 No, I really knew what was going on with Punt. Me and Pund was on the first, me and Pund. albums came out together my first album in Capital Punishment we was on a lot of promo together back then they would you know the labels would we was on planes they got with
Starting point is 00:46:26 that's the first time I seen somebody with an extra buckle an extra seatbelt pun was the first person that he'd get on they give him a stendo and he said out me oh pun what's there no Jada they got to give me the thing me
Starting point is 00:46:41 that's some that's that's hell he get on they hand them an extra stendo seat buckle. But, yeah, I knew punn was my nigger, you know what I mean? We had pun was that nigger, man. I used to be that, he used to be snapping on you, snapping on DJ, I rock. Pun was crazy, though.
Starting point is 00:47:00 I rock was the best. He was up, upstate. Your man, pun, we did the Apollo around this time, and we went and got, we went 5,001. We got the match in furs. We had, like, the gray furze. I said big pun, inside it said fadjo. I'm sure somebody got that somewhere. And I ain't going to lie to Apollo gave us like $20,000.
Starting point is 00:47:24 That was a big deal. When I was doing Flojo, we was getting $500 a show. Your man pun. That's the first money we ever got like that, $20,000. Brand pack, I never forget, Evo was there. Your man pun dig in his pockets and throw the whole $20,000 in the crowd. No. I wanted my
Starting point is 00:47:48 2000. I wanted my 10%. I almost jumped in the crowd after the money. I was standing next to him. He's like, fuck, Dad, he threw the money. We just spent 10,000 on furs. I'm like, yo, I try to jump back in there grab the buddy. It was over. He was a true rock star.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Like, we've seen a guy at the game yesterday. He was a Rottie Rottie Piper. He was a Rick Flair. He was a rottie, righty pipe, but real flag. He was an artist, artist. You know, he would pull up the DMX album signing in a limo and start throwing $100 bills at DMX's fans and his crowd. Like, he was just different. I'm going to go, you know, I'm always all over the player.
Starting point is 00:48:31 I'm going to say Wu Tank 36 Chambers. Yeah, that was, that's another world shifter. Nine dudes from Shaolin. Damn, if you're only nine, I thought it was like 30. 13. 13 of them, right? It's nine originals. It might be 100 add-on dockets.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Bro, I almost smacked my son one time. He did get back, but this back in the days, he's a grown man now. But I asked him when he was like 14 to 15, yo, give me all the members of Wu-Tang. He couldn't say that man. Yo. I was about to smack. I was like, yo, my man, I smacked this shit out of you.
Starting point is 00:49:08 You don't know to all the members of Wu-Tay? No, that was very. They shifted the world. You got off or something like, you know, I was dumb tight. Nine members, Shaolin, different slang, adding other karate flicks. They just took over the world. The Rizzo production,
Starting point is 00:49:27 that shit was like a breath of freshy had to the hip-hop culture that, I mean, and then they just planted mad seeds with meth, ghost, Ray, dirty jizzar risa respect the deck that would probably nothing like that would ever be done ever again
Starting point is 00:49:48 how hard it is to make nine seven and a half eight stars solo but nine stars together the new edition of hip hop facts they all went on to sell
Starting point is 00:50:05 millions of records solo you know to this day I got people who argue about ghost things you know he might be the greatest his first album might be the greatest i mean you got the you got the purple tape you got ray kwan you got anything with anything met the man let me tell you something i honestly used to think that the greatest record ever made was a his sin in morning blue it took me about a good 15 years to get up off that huh you're all i need it took me 15
Starting point is 00:50:39 years to figure out like, all right, you know, this might not be the greatest song ever made. Like, I thought it was great. Yo, they playing that shit. Anywhere that shit came on, it was like the tension, like, this shit's number one.
Starting point is 00:50:54 What about the first brand newbie and debut? That was not. The brand newbie. Shit was crazy. No, no, no. Grand Pubarb was the best. Beats was crazy. The beats was the best.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Grand Pubab was the best. Grand Pubab was the best. Grand Poubaugh is the only rapper I ever watch a whole entire club that's dancing doing the real shit it was that dance era that the DJ said brand new grand Puba I watched everybody go to the speaker
Starting point is 00:51:25 stop dancing just to hear what the fuck he was going to say He had that mean bars with the voice with the cadence and he was talking slipper one time he tell you, oh let me let me get that let me tell you story So my wife got two brothers from my father.
Starting point is 00:51:45 They older and they had kids and they move around and live. Well, one day, one of the nieces came with us. They came to our crib for the weekend. Had a nice time. Now it was time to bring her back on Sunday. So it was like Sunday evening. We get the new row. I'm like, no, I walk her in.
Starting point is 00:52:05 It's dark. You know what I mean? I'll take it in. Ask her what door it is They bring me to the door Hey, ping, don't Open the door It's Puba
Starting point is 00:52:14 Hey, it's the wrong door You know, Puba, what's having the kiss? What's up, man? She lived with them, I got back in the car Like, you didn't fucking tell me She lived with Grand Puba When was you gonna tell me she? That was his wife
Starting point is 00:52:31 He was the girl. I guess his girl was Raising Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Oh, the Guardian. Well, they should at least told me, Pooh would my hands in the door when you go there. I took it?
Starting point is 00:52:44 I'm like this. Yo, what? Grandfather. Like, no, she lived here. Me, Poole? Yo, what's up? He's like, what's up, my name? That shit was there with him.
Starting point is 00:52:53 You know, Grand Poobaugh took a chance with me. You know, my first album. Shout out to the Danesia. Before that, and the man, he showed up, Jazzy J. Studio 8. He kicked the verse with me in Diamond. I don't know how. I met Puba, but
Starting point is 00:53:09 ever since we kicked it off, we was family, we was friends. He shot the video. He's in the Flojo video, Grand Puba. He's one of them niggas, especially from West Chesson. Puba.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Puba's that nigger. All right. Once again, you're not, you're not really trying to hear me because I've been saying, I said it like two, three times, and you really, like, almost ignoring.
Starting point is 00:53:32 I'm hearing you. You say he was in the flowjo video. Know the best You know there's some guys out there That'll argue with everybody Talking about Jay the kid's top five dead or alive He's somebody's top five dead or alive
Starting point is 00:53:49 As he should be He was the best Grand Puba Sadat X My nigger Brought that shit to the table Wild Cowboys Wild Cowboys
Starting point is 00:54:00 You're big Sadat X He's one of my favorite rappers I remember when Pubbaugh Who was that? Dante Ross, somebody signed them over there at a lecture. It's the biggest talk in the world. You know, the brand new...
Starting point is 00:54:13 Your man, sort. Don't mean jack to me. You're wrong. That's what it's supposed to be. Check it out now. Check it out now. Shut out the Lord Jamal. Yeah, okay.
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Starting point is 00:58:17 We're turning it up real quick. Gee, unit, boom! We could get the drama poppin' Nick. Bo, boom, boom! That probably might be arguably one of the best debut. That's like up there with Snoop. 50 shit is up there with doggy style if you asked me for the East Coast
Starting point is 00:58:36 for the World Coast it had the same kind of effect as doggy style man that shit was everywhere when it came out so I'm thinking shit is semi everywhere both of them shit was everywhere everywhere you could think of white people everywhere every commercial every spring break every
Starting point is 00:58:57 you open your door your window you saw that shit get Richard D'Roy and doggy style. Imagine you got beef with them shortly after that. And they're playing that shit. We was beating up every DJ allegedly did not play the shit. The beef wasn't, the beef. When the niggies had beef with 50, he was out to get Richard D'Ritchie D'Roy.
Starting point is 00:59:20 Oh, it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work bad. No, no. It was really bad. It was still the residue. It was the other album, man, Biggie Bank. Yeah, it was down there. Cool Dauphal look.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Not a lot, but a little. Enough to be a high. Yeah, that was a different kind of fourth field. We don't play that. We don't play that, G-U-Nit, we don't have it out. That shit was crazy. And when you create music, 50 Cent was giving you like three songs in one song. Three different hit flows and hooks.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Yeah, it's just crazy. Bro, that album could have really been three albums, four albums. The way he was doing all that shit, oh, Gune, we don't play all right? he was like, yo, it was too easy for, I don't know what kind of zone he was in, but everything was too easy for me. He had the bars. He had the beats.
Starting point is 01:00:12 He felt like my back right now. It was killing shit. It's a difference. There's a difference between street park bars at your leisure. You can have a nice pop. You come down. When we see him in the videos in the street bar, he can jump out
Starting point is 01:00:31 or have a coconut. It's different when you in jail doing bars in the bars. I didn't know. Because that's what they did to him. He was trying to like compete with them.
Starting point is 01:00:43 And then we ain't doing like Kim. Don't do that two times. Two times fell in. You ain't doing bars like Jay to kiss. Get out of here, man. The d'nick is doing where he's going up like this shit. Doing all the type of shit.
Starting point is 01:00:55 You ain't doing all that. Don't stop. Please. Just because you're, you did jail time don't mean you know how to do that. They don't know how you pedal the bite. I'm not. Don't do that.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Jay Z, reasonable doubt. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. He taught me. Right?
Starting point is 01:01:15 Because I was a street dude. What he told you? Man, I was a street dude. But I didn't really so much really get into like the business darn drug dealer shit. to like my second album. The first album was I stick you up, I smack you up, you know, all that type of shit. But that reasonable doubt showed me
Starting point is 01:01:38 you could talk like, like I could live my real life and music. I'm listening to shit. And I felt like it was my life. I felt like, yo, you can rap about your life and music. So in videos, I'm wearing the army fatigues, but I'm going to my man's party with the sky blue suit on with the gaiters, with the this, this, this.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Now we can rap about it and put it in the video and do that. I felt like reasonable doubt did that for me. And I remember driving back and forth from New York to Miami just playing that one album. Back to back to back to back. That's another one right after Illmatic that kind of changed my life to where it's like, all right, if you're going to rap, this is where you need to be. You need to talk more about your life. you need to talk that shit.
Starting point is 01:02:30 You need to that. That pushed me more towards me being the Dawn Carter, Gina, like, publicly. I was already the Dawn Carter, Gina, behind the scene. But publicly, it said, you can do this. And I don't know what the fuck, Onyx's first album was, but them, too. They changed Fat Joe's whole life. Slim. Because I just, pick him up, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:53 One shot. I was like, oh. Back the fuck up. Onyx Unsung Heroes Some of the greatest music I ever heard was Onix Sticky just sent me some
Starting point is 01:03:06 Still not Right now 2025 he sent me song I'm not saying all that Are you listening to me Sticky just sent me a song That's crazy last week Crazy
Starting point is 01:03:20 You know how to pick beats No the beat is crazy They knew how to pick beats They had some meat. One of them, I think it's the second one. The beats on the second Onyx album is proud of it being
Starting point is 01:03:35 some of the best beats. I'd be trying to revisit. Those shit's great. Yo, huh? Fray Joe, nobody write fat Joe Robbs. I've seen you, my brother, I love you. I'll see you on a video.
Starting point is 01:03:49 They're on the... He said this? Yeah, he said, you know, Joe got ghost writers, this and Yo, you're delusional. Nobody can write my life, write my rhymes, nothing like that. And I love you, Frayjo.
Starting point is 01:04:02 Fradio's a good guy. I've just bigged you up on another level, but I've seen you the only person in history on a video talking about, yeah, Joe, we know. Joe got, please, brother, you got me fucked up. 37 years of doing this shit.
Starting point is 01:04:17 I do this in my sleep, God. God. Boy, Fradio produced all that. Let me tell you something. He's a genius. Carolina Herrera. Them guys was different
Starting point is 01:04:28 and they changed my life. So Frayjo, when you look at my interviews about you, they always say you changed my life. Do. Documentary the game. Crazy. Is that an album? Game is the first rapper
Starting point is 01:04:42 that if you didn't tell me what he says it a million times. But if you didn't tell me, he's from Compton, I would think he's from New York. He was the first. You know, the West Coast, they got their own sound. Heard he said he was a first yonk-noggin' with a yonkish flow.
Starting point is 01:05:02 On the Bronx, a yonkish flow. Look it up. Compton niggins with a yonkish flow. I repeat. Still New York. Yonkish, damn, I'm still in New York. No, listen. I agree with him.
Starting point is 01:05:20 Get out of it. Yo, what do you want me to go? Yonkers. fucking locks to some of the greatest rappers ever live. I'm not disrespecting that.
Starting point is 01:05:30 Who said that? No, he said that. He got a yonker's flow. Okay, I'll give me that. What I'm trying to say is Martin Luther had a dream. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:42 Dream. Hate it or love it. Crazy. He had nuclear missiles on both of all in the documentary. To this day. The first one,
Starting point is 01:05:51 the debut, though, is a smoker. Nobody can front. There's the numbers. The numbers prove it. Four or five million, right? I'm going to say. Well, I didn't know why nobody's saying ready to die.
Starting point is 01:06:05 That niggas is over here playing around like ready to die. I was just floating all over. He's floating over. Stop floating for a minute. Ready to die. He came in and switched the old way niggas was rapping back then. Who? Bia.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Biggie sports changed the whole entire rap. rap game. His flow is cadence. His flow is cadence to this day don't make sense. He died when he was like 26, 27.
Starting point is 01:06:36 He only did two years of damage. And it's fucking phenomenal. There's not a day. Not a day in my blessed life that God has given me that I do not hear Biggie Small song.
Starting point is 01:06:50 What he was able to do to take rap underground music and commercialize it changed my life in every other rapper's life. He was 24 years old when he died. A fucking baby. 25 or 26 or 27?
Starting point is 01:07:09 24. Park was 26? Oh, it was Pac. Park was young, too. 26. But. Man, 25 and 24 is crazy, man. Fast and peace.
Starting point is 01:07:20 You can barely get in the club. Think that's some bullshit. Boy, Biggie Smalls to this day, his flows, his cadence. You know I help get the song together with him and Bone Thugs and Harmony. That's another album. Look up the first, Bone Thugs and Harmony first album sold 30 million records. He's 1999. For the love of money, got to get that money, baby, money, baby.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Got to get that money, baby. Let me tell you some, boy, I miss my uncle, Georgia. Call them George. Miss my uncle George. It's Uncle Charles. It's Uncle Charles. He called him Uncle George. I miss my Uncle George.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Right. At least. Yo. George. How old. Uncle George. You know, you know, you know how you go to the AA meeting and be like, hi, I'm Joe. I'm an alcoholic.
Starting point is 01:08:31 He's like, hi, I'm fat Joe. I'm a fuck up. I'm a bug out. I change all the words. That's why we're going to have a problem, Rich. We put it back. Rich do it back to it. I can't even memorize my own rhymes.
Starting point is 01:08:46 So imagine memorizing your rhymes to somebody else's wrong. I fuck everybody's shit up. But I got that bone and biggie done. Biggie hit me up. Said, Joe, I want to rock with your men's. I know they're your man's. We're on the same label. I'm hanging out with them every day.
Starting point is 01:09:02 Then he had a relationship with Bob. I had to really, really convinced them. And I know to this day they're happy. I convinced them. Steve Lobel brought them to the studio. The rest is history. But that boning, Biggie, Biggie. And nobody in New York was thinking about
Starting point is 01:09:20 Armand Dangerous Ain't too many can bang with us Sing up we know angeled us notorious So called beef with you know who this Nobody was thinking about that flow
Starting point is 01:09:31 at that time When he did it It was like You know big With somebody that It's like you I mean damn man We got a big this thing
Starting point is 01:09:41 I'm right over here Man I'm asking me salute them man Biggie was like you In the very way of You never said a whack verse So every time Biggie could rhyme on 1112, he could rhyme on fucking a girl's TLC shit, whatever.
Starting point is 01:09:58 So ain't I had to commercial. It ain't not anything that we would listen to him. We would listen to the new verse and be like, damn, Biggie did it again. He was super nice. He did this and this and that. It was crazy. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:10:12 B-I-G that ready to die, that shit to this day is one of my favorite, you know what I mean? From the slave shit's for the same. in the two vault. Yo, Biggie, I had my homie's total busher shit. Every record.
Starting point is 01:10:27 It wasn't just total. I don't know if it was a fan, but as a rapper, every verse, similar to you, every verse Biggie ever spit. We were analyzed it immediately and be like,
Starting point is 01:10:42 yo, he did a song with Total. You know, everything, you'd be like, damn, you body that shit again. it's not easy to body every single verse you know Jady Kiss you know he's really good at that
Starting point is 01:10:56 you know what I'm saying we're listening for every verse like oh shit Jena gonna spit that shit right now who else you put in that in that category of every verse they ever spit you would listen to it like
Starting point is 01:11:13 oh shit he about to spit that shit like thought huh black thought I thought it's superially nice. We all agree. Laura's debut. Tell me about Lorraine Hill, brother.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Because I always... The miseducation. She's tired of me big in the aisle. Like, you got... Liss education. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, she's ignoring him. I got me and Lauren.
Starting point is 01:11:38 I got the same birthday. It's big up. That's it. We won. We A-al-lides. Education is one of the most classic albums. They gave her the best album. I got the same.
Starting point is 01:11:48 The same birthday is Lauren Hill, three stacks. Somebody called it. Lauren Hill and three stacks. Me and we all share the same birthday. Need I say more? We air-like. Miss Edutainment of Lauren Hill. Groundbreaking album, phenomenal because she could sing incredible,
Starting point is 01:12:09 and she got the bars. I felt cheated as a hip-hop fan, that she retired so quick. Like, I think we would have had multiple albums of greatness. You know, I think we got Rob from Lauren Hill, you know, walking off the game because she would have had four or five classic albums. I can't see her making whack shit. And definitely where she left the game at that time,
Starting point is 01:12:41 I, I could, she was, she just still, to this day. All these girls are great. I love them all. You know, Remy gets a little upset because she wants me to cheat and say Remy's the greatest. Can't nobody fuck with Lornail. Lauren Hill's in the fucking lane of her home.
Starting point is 01:12:59 I don't know. Nobody. That's a fact. And so, what, Little Kim's first album were talking about females? Hardcore, crazy. Little Kim, first album was crazy. Hardcore.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Everybody, that shifted. Cessimilia. That shifted the way females wanted to present themselves after Little Kim Foxy first album Il Nana, crazy Yassie Elliott
Starting point is 01:13:27 The Raid I can't stand the rain The Brat shit If our numbers than everybody Funk the fat Yes The fucking brat Was the first to crack open that gate
Starting point is 01:13:40 Hushed she had real fans Mine of shit Platinum But uh Foxy and Kim, man. That's like Brandy, Monica. That was a time. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:13:54 I think, you know, it's very hard for a man to really be bumping the girls' album like that, driving in your car, like the whole album, but riding around like you think you're playing the shit and you got Foxy, you got Kim. Recently, I listened to that Cardi B album about 10, 20 times. Cardi B she got some balls in there
Starting point is 01:14:18 better than dudes it's really incredible the way they put that album together recently Cardi B's album is Phenon and the girls is eating it up
Starting point is 01:14:28 and hello they're going crazy to that shit on Instagram I'm not comparing the album to Lauren Hill or Foxy
Starting point is 01:14:38 or Kevin's Day's dude I ain't say anyone but I'm just saying you got that you got that Uncle Grady eyes you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:14:45 You're giving me the eyes like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're giving me that. No, I'm telling you, our album right now, it's better than most guys in 2025. Cardi B got that shit right now. Listen, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, you bastards. Bitch!
Starting point is 01:15:07 Bitch! on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast, Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19-year-old Lichet Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to hunting for answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it.
Starting point is 01:15:58 Five, six white people. Pushed me in the car. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take it. his hand and I saw the flash of light.
Starting point is 01:16:15 Listen to the Chinatown Sting on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer, chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you. A hundred percent of women go through menopause, even if it's a lot of women.
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