Joe and Jada - French Montana & Max B on 'Coke Wave 3.5: Narcos,' Max's prison stories & "All The Way Up"

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are FINALLY joined by French Montana and the newly-freed Max B, fresh off their new project 'Coke Wave 3.5: Narcos' hitting the streets January 9th. Joe and Jada welcome Max B hom...e after his 16-year prison term, and Max talks about coping behind bars and a hilarious time he had groups of fellow inmates rapping for him. Also discussed: French's recent marriage to Sheikha Mahra, the princess of Dubai; Max walking out of prison and popping up immediately on the sideline of a New York Jets game; the making of Joe and French's smash hit "All The Way Up," as well as French's hits "Unforgettable" featuring Swae Lee and "Figure It Out" featuring Kanye West and Nas; and the stories behind each of Joe, Jada, French, and Max's rap names. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:59 You know what I mean? You think of Morocco. You think of the Bronx. You think of Harlem. Some of the grimy is blocked. Shout to the 140th. You know what I mean? You think.
Starting point is 00:03:11 of influential collaborators that created a wave era. You know what I mean? Something that reflected the hood from fashion to lingo, to melodies, to drama in the street, to plenty of litness.
Starting point is 00:03:35 You know what I mean? The wave. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our guests, French Montana. Match Baker Fad You're Myr
Starting point is 00:03:51 You're friends You don't get high no more But you look like you smoke A little something Right now I'm still high That dude
Starting point is 00:04:00 That's extra high He got that residue That mean you had Shit He's still high You've been clean for years I was still a little When I stopped
Starting point is 00:04:08 Let me tell you Before we start We got to start On a sad note Right But it's really quick Your dog passed away That was my guy
Starting point is 00:04:18 I used to live vicariously On Instagram Watching you with the dog And he's the lion He's the biggest dog Yeah it's a bad And massive But they don't live that long though
Starting point is 00:04:28 Oh I don't mean So yeah that's my dog man My dog champ man I've been through a lot Yeah the dog Yeah But he was like a lion though This guy the biggest dog
Starting point is 00:04:38 Getting the fucking universe Yeah it's a bad master Yeah I ain't seen any of your pets yet Because you ain't go to LA You can't fly yet man. You ain't see the monkey yet.
Starting point is 00:04:46 He'll be having a monkey on the G6. He's got all type of shit. He's Arab. He's the only person that can really verify the little man, right? Yeah. Yo! Yo, French.
Starting point is 00:05:01 You French. You French, I forgot about that shit. Yeah. Yo, French. Oh, God. That's my little guy. That's his name in Morocco. He's in Maccadash.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Yeah, he's like a purse. He's like, I fucking told you. The little man, yo, Max. He's like a little burking bag. You know, let me tell you, if you see that shit. He ain't lying, though. You see that fucking chain? Yeah, he's alive.
Starting point is 00:05:24 He got a lot. The niz could duck me how to chain. It's a little man. I told you he could wear suit. Like some shit. He's making him like the size of the rewind. Okay. He just holds him like a little burking bat.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Yeah, whoever his. A burkin bag. Yeah, whoever his guardian is, just pick him up all the dress and they go outside. What the fucking are. He just pick him up with the dress. Whoever his guardian is, he probably would be waiting for him by the dressing. He picked him up and he'll go outside. You not listen to me.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I got to get over there. He's like the size of that bottle. He ain't lying, though. But he's a full grown man. Yo, Vak, can we go find him? Can we go see? Nah, we're going to find him. He in Morocco.
Starting point is 00:06:02 He in Morocco, Maca Deso. Maracas. He's in Maca-Dazz, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, you know. Nah, they don't believe me neither. That's not what I'm talking about. Is he bigger than this?
Starting point is 00:06:12 A little bit A little bigger Yeah He was high behind the T S fucking monkey man No no No no we're talking to you You Matt
Starting point is 00:06:22 You're talking about a human beings Goan ass man that little This ain't a monkey This ain't a monkey He got the monkey He got a little guy too He didn't see the monkey He got the princess of Dubai
Starting point is 00:06:33 Who the monkeys Your friends Yeah Yeah Your friends got the princess To buy Shout to the princess Yeah
Starting point is 00:06:41 Yo, let me ask you something, right? Because in the hip-hop game and the R&B game, one of the biggest queens at Princesses is, of course, Janet Jackson, Big Punts favorite. And Jermaine DePree came in, and I'm looking at him. And I said, how the fuck he bagged Janet Jackson? And her prime six-packed us. A little bit of the answer.
Starting point is 00:07:05 He, listen. Anyway, yo, it's a question. Yeah, yeah. How do you bag the legitimate Princess of Dubai Coming from the Bronx? No, no, no, you're not asking this. Hold on, hold up.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Hold on, hold up. But it might not be, though, because you ask you, Jermaine is like how you catch lightning in a bottle. It's just like, you know, sometimes somebody could look at it like it's a highlight. Hold on, hold on, French. How do you gag?
Starting point is 00:07:33 Your French, why don't you answer the question? You dancing on the Senate? No, no, I'm not. It was one of my homeboys. He plugged me with a lot. in Dubai. He said you want to meet the princess in Dubai? I just happened to be in Dubai.
Starting point is 00:07:44 And I remember I had seen that she had put up that post where she divorced somebody. I'm like, I like her. Because it takes a lot of, a lot of guts to throw that up. So she threw that up. I'm like, I like her. He was like, man, I know her.
Starting point is 00:07:59 I'm like, I. He said he know him? Yeah, yeah, he said he know. Oh, no. He said he knew a girl that knew her. And I'm like, do what you got to do. So I knew a guy that knew a guy. sniper gang.
Starting point is 00:08:11 No, this is a legendary... You heard the first head, yeah. You know what I'm saying? This is a legendary phone. Hip-hop when you see that. For answer your question, I think it would be... I think it was easier for him
Starting point is 00:08:21 to get the princess than it was easier to J.D. get Jen Jackson. That's the fact. Yeah, because, you know, he must have been ready. That was real shit.
Starting point is 00:08:30 You know, pause. You know, France wanted to answer months. You know, she probably was scheming on you. Oh, I'm pretty. Pause. You hit me with the... You need like a half...
Starting point is 00:08:42 I've been waiting to do that, Graeme, you know. Look. Listen, you more than anybody because you're Muslim, you met so many phony bolognaz. Yeah. So many super rich
Starting point is 00:08:57 Arabs that say they're the prince, they're the king, they're all full of shit. Yeah, everybody's a shit. Everybody's full of shit. Right? They're all raw. You get you.
Starting point is 00:09:06 If you got money, you act like you. Yo, this Prince Jafi, Jaffa's come. What's your name over there? I'm Ali Qashani. He knows I'm... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yo, yeah, your friend.
Starting point is 00:09:16 Yo, Shisham Malikishani. My name is Ali Qashani in the Middle East. Al-A-Nah al-A-Lahmda-Lah. I am Ali Qishan. You know what time is all. I need a name over there, Lord. Shishu-Malik. I'm Ali Kishani.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Yo, Max. I'm Ali Kishani. That's hard. But when I go like this, I say, yo, French, with the Prince of Dubois. I said, all right, hold up. So I had to verify and I said, she the fucking real deal princess Dubai. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:50 She's not the people, humans don't see her like that. Max, she came to your welcome home out of jail. Yeah, she's down to earth. That's shit. Yeah, she's down to her. Right. She was telling the wife. Everybody was getting along.
Starting point is 00:10:00 These people, you know, I know the Royal family too. I know her family. Yeah. Right? You know, Snowcap with Joe Crack. One day they came with me And they hung out with me And the brother you here
Starting point is 00:10:12 I said yeah They came to the mall Mm-hmm Right They hung out with me Three four hours You know Pitching their cheeks
Starting point is 00:10:19 All like Yo fuck out of it You know We family Having the best time In my life I go back to the hotel The promoter
Starting point is 00:10:28 You know He paid me crazy money To go out there I thought He was gonna be pissed Because I was just gone Like I left The man said
Starting point is 00:10:35 You know Tell me You know the mock tunes I said my family what you're talking about he said
Starting point is 00:10:43 we've never seen these people in the mall in our life and I'm walking around with them so I know when he did that
Starting point is 00:10:52 I said they don't even see them the palace is down the block nobody ever see them in human form it's like Obama on 10,000 you don't see them
Starting point is 00:11:03 they're on the money they're on the money they're on everything no no They're on the money. When you go in the hotel, they got the three shakes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:11 That's them. But you can see these people in this business we end. Oh. Anybody can see anybody in this business. A man like this walk in the room, they know he's coming in the country. They know he coming to town.
Starting point is 00:11:25 He go to the club. He got his shit out. Pause. Oh, my God. Not enough, but you know he did a lot of time. Let me grab my flag. He did a lot of time. And I see this going to be.
Starting point is 00:11:37 be going somewhere else. Yo, Max, you did a lot of time. What you mean? No, I mean, like, you know, you... I'm not using that no more. You got a legitimate pause. Like, you got, like... You know, you, you know, you've been gone for a minute.
Starting point is 00:11:52 I mean, I mean, but honestly, though, it's like... I had a cell phone in jazz. When you... When you... Talk slow to him, Max. I had motion. Woo! When you come to the States, you see, like, Trump,
Starting point is 00:12:02 so you see people like being the president for four years and getting out of office. When you go to places like that, you talk about... people that own the place. Ever. You can buy the houses, but the government still own the place. They still own everything.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Everything. So it's like the own son and they only get passed down to your bloodline. It's like there's a whole different type of love out there. But shout to her whole family. And I'd be out with her husband.
Starting point is 00:12:22 I mean, since I knew, I don't think she ever rocked for one piece of jewelry. That's how gangst they keep it. One. Not one. They don't rock like that. I got them a piece one time. Maktunes.
Starting point is 00:12:32 I got them like the Arabic, the Muslim shit for his birthday. He never, I'm sure he never would. I got him, I iced out. They're good people, man. Shot out of the whole much. They're the best in the world.
Starting point is 00:12:42 And so Max B. How many years, Max B? Well, on this one? 18. This one. This one. This one. 17 years and 10 months.
Starting point is 00:12:50 How many total? I did eight New York, so I did 25 years. Well, this was 17. Them being back. All the dudes don't have dissinity. All the things don't know what's going on after doing that much. Last time I've seen you, I was in the club and you had a captain and
Starting point is 00:13:08 Teneo hat on. You had some pilot shit. You remember when he rocked a pilot hat? We're in the club. Next day, you're in jail. I said, what the fuck? I'm looking at you. You a movie. I know your wife is here now, but I'm talking 20 years ago. This is old wife. You had like four white girls with you
Starting point is 00:13:24 and you had a captain into Neil shit on. I'm looking at him in the club and then he got the pilots hat on. I said, yo, this nigger big of that was crazy, but. And so the wave about to take off on a legend It already took off, but it was about to take off on another legendary form. You sitting in jail.
Starting point is 00:13:43 I can't imagine what's that like facing life. You was smelling it when you was about to get the grand prize. How horrible was that? It was something I, it was horrible with it, but it was something I had to get over like that. Had to get adjusted. It was nothing I sat on. It was like next day, it was like, all right, off to the next. How are you going to get the fuck out?
Starting point is 00:14:05 That's it. You walked in there and said, I'm bidding. My second rodeo. So I kind of, I knew the ropes. I had shit going, I mean. I was maneuvering the V. I was behind the scene. I had motherfucket.
Starting point is 00:14:18 You know, I did four months. I was running that shit for four months. I was trying to tell you. I know you was good. I said, don't let nobody lie to you. But the night before I go to jail, I see your pistol, what's it going to be like for me? He said, man, you Joe the Dawn.
Starting point is 00:14:33 Man, it's going to be just like that is there, like it is out here. You don't know no other way to be. He ain't fucking lied. We went in there. We locked that shit down in the kilometer of a second. You know, Hong Kong Mongolian. Hong Kong's, I had a dude in there called Hong Kongs Mongolian.
Starting point is 00:14:50 No, I'm telling you. I'm not even going to throw the flag on that one. No, no, Hong Kong's Montau. Listen, that's crazy. Unfortunately, in jail, Blacks stick with blacks, Latinos, Latinos with white, white, Asian with Asian. This guy was like a, He was a big white boy and the white people ain't want him because he looked a little slow.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Y'all took him in. Snick, him was strong, boy. You hear me? They ain't a close up on the basketball court. Start filing everybody. I was looking at him. And I said, something special about this guy, right? Pause.
Starting point is 00:15:27 That was crazy. Oh. Special about these guys. It's sick. So I say, yo, I put him down with the team. And I say, you know what? You Hong Kong's Mongolian. He said, huh?
Starting point is 00:15:39 I can't let it go, man. I can't let it go, crack. I said, you Hong Kong's Mongolian. Nah, the way you drag it, though. You know, I gave him. You're not listening. Your first time meeting. Dude, used to stand like this.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Don't hurt the leg, don't hurt the. Hong Kong's mom. You stay like, here. I don't want to say the word. He talks about poor. on another level but what I'm trying to tell you is this guy could take 12 guys in a fight
Starting point is 00:16:12 like you could just he had that boot strength so I put him down and he shined the table and shit like that but one day he comes up to me he says he said boss boss I just realized
Starting point is 00:16:23 that Hong Kong and Mongolia's two different places I said man shut the fuck up to Joy you're not man the fuck out of here with that shit Hong Kong go dust the table Yeah. Biggie Vell, was they asking you mad stupid questions? Like, did you have to put a shutdown
Starting point is 00:16:39 and don't ask me? All the time. Open-minded, though. If I fuck what the dude, if it's vibe is all right, you know what I'm saying? He ain't on no corn bullshit. I might entertain a nigga conversation. I might entertain a nigga 16.
Starting point is 00:16:54 You know what I'm saying? It depends. I was there short. I wasn't want to hear nothing. The miggas ran up. I said, yo, stay where you at. It's not hip. pop, nigga.
Starting point is 00:17:05 They don't want to rap. I broke hearts in the first two minutes. They ran up in that bitch. They was like, yo, yeah, yeah. I said, no, no, no. No, this ain't rap. You know, I ain't rapping.
Starting point is 00:17:15 No, I don't know J-Lo. They have 20 of them niggas in there rapping. Yeah, have a little fun. Just when I'm in the mood, I'm on some shit. I smoke a joint and get 20 of them niggies in there. They start battle rap, be acting crazy. You know the saddest thing I think about when
Starting point is 00:17:31 artists go to jail. what was the Christmas like 18, 17 Christmas? Are you in there for Happy New Year? They quit. They quit. That's it. You just got to get old with them shit. That's going to go for them's closer.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Can't sit up in there like, hell, I'm saying what's how I was home for Christmas. I put the Christmas tree up this year, spent Christmas with the family, wore a sweater, drunk, drunk egg dog. I did all that shit this year. It happened. We got another one, me and him going to talk about, I'm going to talk about the dirty section. You know, we just got... You ain't even let me talk, go.
Starting point is 00:18:14 You didn't even let me talk. That's a force. You got to take the flag back in the second, listen. What I'm saying is, that was a crazy answer. You know, nobody, you're not listening. Nobody came in the podcast game like Joe and Jada. It's impossible. Every day the biggest star.
Starting point is 00:18:32 the bigger one, the bigger one, the bigger one, the bigger one. We 70 episodes, we like 68 superstars in, and everybody else is online, ready to come. Crazy. Pause. Super pause. That one was a disrespect. Now, but there's a part of YouTube that we call the Dirty Section, AM Radio.
Starting point is 00:18:57 He's a good morning, Vietnam. I mean, talk about everybody. violating everybody. They don't care. It's the dirty section. They don't make it the Netflix. You know what I'm saying? They ain't getting to the bag like that, right? They're doing it for, you know, 500 a month for some shit, right? Unfortunately, is really crabs in the barrel.
Starting point is 00:19:18 You come out. You did 20 years. I never heard no dirt on your name. I never heard nothing. But here come the dirty section. Trying to throw rumors on your name and all that. And this is the place to address that. And does it even bother you that it's a family member?
Starting point is 00:19:40 God got me right where he won me. After all I've been through that time, and to get back here and doing what I'm doing, do it look like it bothers me? No, not at all. It's just sad. I don't know of any other culture get down like that like this. It ain't just you.
Starting point is 00:19:58 I see it with big meat. Niggas be disgruntled when they don't get their way. With something don't work for them, they get disgruntling. It's always disgrunt to people. They're not here no more. And everybody think they're in the wave. And then the minute you say, you know what, this guy's not good for me.
Starting point is 00:20:16 And it's lights out. Yeah. It's back to the roaches when you put the lights on and shit. Running around the crib. You fucked up. There's no more Dubai. And so that's when they start trying to dirty somebody. name or some reputation because
Starting point is 00:20:31 you know what I think they disgruntle I think salute to you and salute to you and salute to y'all you came out and the rollout was like nobody rollout you couldn't wait you still rolling out
Starting point is 00:20:47 yo that bitch like a genie in a bottle they like you unrolling dudes come home how about this army coach nobody in a ever That shit is old. A Jimbo's... Hold on.
Starting point is 00:21:02 You kept it... You kept the $10,000 with your brother. Yeah. You right there for him. You got a strong brother. Which is 100 million percent. For my whole number solid... That's a whole different thing.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Solid planet. Listen to me. That's a whole different thing. Everybody has like, hold on. We still unrolling. Everybody don't do 17 years. Still rolling, Nick. Everybody don't do 17 years
Starting point is 00:21:24 and your brother waiting for you and he's still up and he putting this shit in play. What kind of? blessing is that? This nigga, though, out of all the motherfuckers on the planet, I got genuine happiness,
Starting point is 00:21:37 pure friendship for this nigga. No money, no nothing. I shit is based on straight, solid, friendship, music creation. That's just my nigga. Anything else happened. So when I'm in jail
Starting point is 00:21:51 seeing this thing on TV, I ain't a nigga on fuck. That should have been me. No. I'm in that motherfucker crying with happiness. That's right. This nigga, yeah, look at my nigga. Ah, fuck y'all.
Starting point is 00:22:06 That's how I was in there. I mean a lot to him. He mean a lot to me. That's my nigga. It's real shit. That's it. Because I felt like when you got with Max, that's when the real French Montana was discovered.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Yeah. That's when you've been doing it, Coke, DVDs, all that. But I never forget. I'm in the studio with Coolid Dre. And Dre is like, yo, your man, French is catching the old. Fade. Yeah. We listen to both of y'all.
Starting point is 00:22:32 He's a big fan of you, Dre. Yeah, fuck with Drake. And Dre. And Dre was like, yo, and this guy, Max B, and we just listening to the show. Yo, we're just like, yo, this shit crazy.
Starting point is 00:22:41 And you never turned back. Yeah. Not for sure. I mean, it was a wild time, man. I think we first started when I met Max. I think I had the whole cocaine city show, you know. You were already killing the street with DVDs. And he already has something going on, too.
Starting point is 00:22:58 So when we got the government. It was just like bringing the movement together. You know what I'm saying? It's almost like bringing kids to styles and the sheet together. It was like that. You and I'm saying? Rest in peace, chinks, we lost chinks.
Starting point is 00:23:10 He was in the mix with us. That's my guy. When he first got to 75, I was rocking out with him for the whole 75. It wasn't even like, oh, no, oh, I know you're going to get 18 and get it back. I was rocking. He didn't find out he was going to get out of 18
Starting point is 00:23:22 until probably after what, like 13 years in? Yeah. You brought me out the box one time, Nick. What you was at? Like Philly or something? Up there. I was in locker. They were like, wait and get busy.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Can't see me. They pulled me out of the box, my man on the window. But he was living spontaneously through me. I would be face-sighted me, you know, calling him with like Vin Diesel, calling him with like, whine him out. He'd be in there, this is Vin Diesel? Yo, what up, Max?
Starting point is 00:23:51 No, we be shade. Yeah, yeah, he was living spontaneously through it, man, you know? It's crazy because we was. He's home now, but we was calling Flores the millionaire. He was out. at the parties. He was like, yo, I'm at the party, nigga. What's going on here? Mary Jay, gonna talk. Yo, what's up,
Starting point is 00:24:05 nigga? It was like, he got he at the party. You got two or three spectators you trust watching the face like, yo, this shit crazy. I mean, yo, it's on. I mean, it's nothing like that in French. First of all, I'm looking at all of them diamonds
Starting point is 00:24:21 and I'm saying to myself. You like it? You like it? No, I'm thinking Save a little beast You know I took the demo For a master flex You never save a little beast for leg You're rich a long time I'm throwing a flag on you
Starting point is 00:24:38 Yo French You're French All type of wealth I know where you live Not a little beast I ain't a lot I ain't a lot Crack a real one
Starting point is 00:24:50 Crack a real one Let's go French That's say I can That's more than diamonds That's more than gold that's more than anything I could give you. It was always like that. Nah, no, I could take a gift.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Fuck that. Fuck that. A little piece for later. I could take a gift. Let me get a little peace for later. I look at it myself, French Montana, Princess Dubai. I'm ready to get a job with this nigga right here. I'm sitting there.
Starting point is 00:25:19 I said, damn, man, save a little beast for later. And for your guys who don't know, French was having a hard time getting his music on the radio on the bops. And I went up there and had a serious, serious conversation with Funk Flex
Starting point is 00:25:35 because y'all was already on fire. Yeah, he had just got, now he had just got locked up. You was already on fire. Blackballed. Yeah, I was Blackball. I was Blackballed even more. Listen, they blackballed me.
Starting point is 00:25:49 Yeah. I had beef with the biggest dudes you ever seen in your life. Yeah. I had beef. And they was like, Yo, he can't get that. Fat Joe made it through the Chitlin circuit with number ones.
Starting point is 00:26:01 Number one in America. They was like, no, you perform in Alabama. You go to PA. You can't get on this tour. Like every tour I was trying to get on, they was like, yo, you can't. What? Lockage. Super facts.
Starting point is 00:26:15 I never cried about it. But I go up there, he was my son's favorite rap. And I say, yo, and he played it in six months later. That shit was pop that. Pop that pussy, pop, pop that man. You took off for six months. Yeah. It went from shot caller to pop that.
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Starting point is 00:32:36 even leave. Yeah. I said, this thing is going to get the shit, this thing is best. You had to sit on your head and all that? No, I just have to sit on the grass. He had the cause on the car. But I'm saying, this nigga's going to get rich. There's no way I would have went to show.
Starting point is 00:32:52 That ain't supposed to time getting shot. That's a little bit from Morocco. What the fuck is that mean, man? Maraco ain't all right? Yeah, but hold up. Let me tell you, I go to Maccadesh. This is the time I met the little man. It's Marrakes, man.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Marrakech, but you know, fat, yo, French. Yo, French, I fuck everything up. I'm fried. But listen, I get in the car. They booked me to do a show. And they drive into the desert for like two hours straight. And they talk in Arabic. And I said, that shit.
Starting point is 00:33:28 The Taliban. I got set up. I thought it was the Tally. I thought it was the Taliban, my nigga. Like, they just talked to this. It wasn't. Two hours French and Machinette into the desert. Like, I'm really seeing fucking camels and all that.
Starting point is 00:33:42 It's nothing. Nothing. Not a gas station. Nothing. I'm driving in for two days. And then you got to know this place. They pull up in this shit like an oasis. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:52 They got villas there. Yeah. And I'm like, thank God. I walk up in that business. Like, you got the biggest fill of fat Joe, this, this. I was like, yo, what the fuck? For sure I was kidnapped. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:06 I'm looking out the window. I'm like, damn, man, he didn't put me on the screen. Fat Joe. I'm done, nigga. They're about to chop my shit off. No, America's got a lot of desert. You've been to that place when I'm talking about. Like, it's like in the middle of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Yeah, it's like a hotel in the middle of the desert. A hotel in the middle of nowhere. The Oasis. It is an Oasis. Yeah, I forgot the name, but I know what you're talking about. How's your brother, man? Oh, he's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Shout to Zach. Shout to Zach. Shout to Zat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could probably get the princess to get him a diplomatic immunity. We're trying. We're trying. Yeah, we're trying every school.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Does Sean just get that all? Man, Sean. He's almost like you. He's almost like you. You came home and you got right to a shot. You know, Sean was a set of Jew. He did it all. He made sure he was getting back in the United States.
Starting point is 00:34:58 That shit was impossible. He came back. He came back. He was like his third time. Oh, Sean? Zat. Oh, yeah. Through my nigga out the country about three times.
Starting point is 00:35:09 I mean, exactly my dick. But he's back. But he good over there. When he wanted to have big fun, he'd go to Dubai then, right? Yeah, yeah. He could still go to Europe, Dubai, shit like that. Hell yeah. You know, you're in Paris fashion week.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Morocco is better than being in jail. So I tell them all the time. Way better than you. Joe, my told Max, right before you got here, you're our first late customer. Oh, how bad. First ever. I really thought you was on rap hours.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I was like, yeah, he just telling me 12 because they're not going to be two hours late. My bad. It's a family show, man. I'm a fan of the show. I know y'all my two favorite people in the world. No, no. I'm not doing good, man.
Starting point is 00:35:48 This thing has been up. We're not in here. But that's what I'm saying, right? I tell you back. Max come out, what they call it, it ain't court side. What's the shit when you're on the field? Sideline. Sideline.
Starting point is 00:36:01 He was on that old field. I don't know football like that. I met Shador. Shardor. Shado! Shado! Shat to Shadole. You come right out of jail when you're on the sidelines. LV.D. Don't forget that. The Instagram going crazy.
Starting point is 00:36:14 The point is you had a hell of two months. The hype around him is almost like when 50 said just had the mixtapes. And it was like, all right, let's hear his single. Because that's what they want, Max. I'm telling you, you're beyond talented. You got it to put it out. Nobody got flows like you. Nobody rap flowed like you.
Starting point is 00:36:36 You crazy. I'm telling you, as a hip-hop fan, I don't heard your music, the flows, the melodies, the disd at that. But if you come with that, go shoddy. It's shiver. When you come with one that does, you'll be walking in the Louis Vuitton Paris runway. That's how big.
Starting point is 00:36:57 You know, right now it was great. Moms and pops, everybody taking care of you. They're getting you to the bag, but you got a silver surfer bag if you put it out the park. And we come with one of them African joints? Yeah. We might have one. We might have one.
Starting point is 00:37:16 We might have one up, but you know what's one. It's a lot in store. Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of musing. My first 30 days out, I gave him a 20 plus 24 song mixtape my first day out. That's crazy. I didn't have no hours in the day. And got my kids with me every day, wife every day, still went there and gave niggins a urge.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And we got another one coming out with 22 joints on it. So slow to me. and bro did, you're going to hear it just and just do this. And y'all going to go back to the first shit I did. and it's going to do that again. I'm not worried about that. There's new shit about the dog the streets. I'm just predicting a dog out.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Straight dog in the fuck out. Top the bottom, dog out, music, singles, videos, the rollout, boom. As soon as I think it's over, I'm going to come smack out with a million-dollar baby. Dog, y'all, y'all needs the fuck out there. Then we got another waveguard album dropping. Then I'm doing another mixtape, darn snow. So it's a lot of store I never stop
Starting point is 00:38:23 I have unlimited classic wave because you know what Max B he had guard in the streets in New York especially Harlem shout out to my nephew Biddy
Starting point is 00:38:38 and all I see y'all playing there in night there's a global interest in Max B and so that's what I'm trying to say is if you put one out the park It's a different bag. I thought I'd be telling them every day.
Starting point is 00:38:52 No, you got that hard drive with them joints. You gotta show me how to do that. I would tell them. Listen, you got that. But listen, when Flojo came out, I was getting $500 a show. It was number one in America. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:39:07 And I was going to Connecticut, Boston, Jersey. The next day is Yonkers. What year was that? In your D.C. That was in 93. It was no money in the rap. game with the number one.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Damn, that's crazy. No money. The money's out there now, big. In another way. They'll paint you in silver and you'll be on a surfboard going through Madison Square Garden on the fucking silver surf on that bitch.
Starting point is 00:39:34 This is a different type of, them reggae tone niggas. They hit one and they get in a half a million in the show. One song. Yeah. You know, and I'm trying to figure out friends. What is it? Velvet, the pants right there?
Starting point is 00:39:46 Lisa, the boy got His own money. Yeah, it's like Newbuck. I don't think Newbuck. They're velvet. Newbock can be too heavy. I'll tell you about the Bronx. Yo, the Bronx.
Starting point is 00:39:57 We don't know how to act, French. You get a bronze purse or someone. You see how Cardi B. Be becoming shitting boat taker trenches to the fucking ankle with the boots to match with the thing. You give a Bronx dude, some money. You know, girl, they don't know how to act. Tell you.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Their boy French coming in here, this shit, looking like fucking. exotic emiruses and shit. They just killed the fur. Fine. We gotta get that hit, Max. We get that hip. Cracking the all about them hits. I told you, I surrender.
Starting point is 00:40:31 It's funny. You know, you told me out there I surrender. And what's crazy is last night, I was sleeping. I sleep with the TV on. Right? And I turn, and I see literally, you know, literally it's got to be
Starting point is 00:40:45 millions. millions of white people jumping up and down singing the words and I look on I don't know who the fuck these guys are it's a rock group
Starting point is 00:40:56 so I look at the shit I say what the fuck he was a million people and they all were singing going crazy and then the hook come and the name of the hook was I surrender
Starting point is 00:41:09 he's the food fighters crazy and it was called I surrender he told me today you I surrender I said yo that might be you Yeah, yeah. You got to tap into that.
Starting point is 00:41:19 However that makes you feel. I just make it one way. I could never go in there. What is the process? That's probably the weakest part of my game to go in there and say, yo, listen to a beat that I don't do. But you're going there and be some produce. They'll be like, you do this record right here. And it'll be a hit record.
Starting point is 00:41:38 I might not like the track, though. If I can't die with the track, I'm not going to do this shit. I did it. I sold out. I know. This is why I'm trying to say. This is why I say I surrender. I made it.
Starting point is 00:41:48 I made a number one that I can't stand. The white people love it. It went number one. That's the decision we got to be. You want to sing that same record over and over or you want to? That's how I was looking at it. I did it. I'm ready to sing the record.
Starting point is 00:42:04 We mechanically sold out. I'm ready to sing a record. And we said, all right, we need a beat that sounds like this. We need to get the homie on this hook. We need to rap like this And the shit really went number one Like we cloned the Like we made a number one
Starting point is 00:42:22 That wasn't from the heart Like lean back Yeah Was a mixtape song Yeah That just went number one Yeah You know I don't give a fuck about your fault
Starting point is 00:42:31 Some this happened That went organic But I made the number one That I'm disgusted And I know what you said Because I just Every time I hear it And they want to hear it
Starting point is 00:42:41 The white You know what you got It shit Went number one I'm not independent when you may lean back? No, I was independent, make your brain. So you know what happened to me is a famous story. So I'm in Atlantic Records, and I'm selling 2 million brackets.
Starting point is 00:42:58 And I'm the big, they had a poster of me, six floors. I had the orange leather shirt. I had the lion medallion, and I walk up in there every day, so cocky, put out an album, and shit flop. They took off that poster so fast. And they threw a TI join up. This is the new guy, TI. I'm like, yo, this major label shit is disgusting, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Right now, at that time, going independent, they were giving you $7 a CD. I sold a half a million. They called me a failure. Still a half a million people went to the store and bought that shit. And I said, you know what? if I get $7 for a half a million, I make $3.5 million,
Starting point is 00:43:47 it's more than the $500,000 or the million dollars they're giving me to do the whole album. So I go back the next day. I say, yo, I don't know if y'all know I started out digging in the crates. I'm going back to my underground. We ain't got to worry about me. You'll never hear from fat.
Starting point is 00:44:03 No again. I'm never making a hit again. I'm done. Make it rain. Four million records on the masses with the fucking. an independent. The money was coming so much, French.
Starting point is 00:44:14 I'm kicking it safe and closed the shit. I'd be like throwing my wife just bundles of money. Like, go spend. Go shop. This shit crazy. I'm like, yo, I can't close the safe. It was ringtones. When the ringtone shit first came out,
Starting point is 00:44:30 that shit went four million on them. That was the next, I know they wanted to commit suicide. When I left it was making, four million sold. That's crazy. Independent. I've been independent ever since. We win every time. You know, these record labels ain't
Starting point is 00:44:44 nothing but a bank. But they make you believe a hit won't go without them, though. It's a lie. Yeah. All the way up went. Yeah. We just got a new commercial ESPN
Starting point is 00:44:53 10 years later, ESPN, ABC. I'm all the way up. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. The story about all the way up is crazy. Oh, I want to hear the story about all the way up. Get that.
Starting point is 00:45:04 Let me hear it. French is on all the way up. Yeah, let me hear. Nah, no, hold on, kiss. Now, kiss coming back, I'm telling the story. So I'm just sitting back in the crib. Crack, him, I don't know it. Like, yo, come by Cool and Dre's Studio.
Starting point is 00:45:18 I got this joint. It's out of here. This is the one. I go to the studio. We knock it out. I'm not thinking none of it. The shit come out. Take all.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Boom. We're doing shows. Even Drake came in my. I was telling you, boy, hit me. Like, yo, I need a verse on that. Yeah, look, I need a verse on that. So it was one of them. One time me and Crack doing a big ass show.
Starting point is 00:45:39 show. That's how I know he was a real one. I'm like, yo, crack, I never really told you, but I checked through my lawyer. He told me I ain't get no publishing on that song. I had zero publishing on the song. I said, yo, crack, I know you're not running business like that.
Starting point is 00:45:55 He was like, French, what should want me to do? I said, when I did the song with you, I was like, my brother got me. I ain't got to worry about nothing. Crack was like, you know what? He called his lawyer right on the spot. And he was like, you know what, French here? I forgot what you gave me.
Starting point is 00:46:07 10%. But the thing is, you. I think it was five. It was five. No, it was 10%. It was five. It was five. That's after the fact, right?
Starting point is 00:46:18 Nah. You fucking got 10%. Well, you didn't, you did not. But you did that, though. Of course. You did that, though. You did that. Happened to me, and that's after.
Starting point is 00:46:31 The paperwork. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went back to change it. When he's moving, this day. He come and sit next to me. We had a ward show. He said next to me. He said, but you forgot how you told me.
Starting point is 00:46:41 How told you? You said, yo, crack. You know what's that million dollar voice that made that shit dope? He said, ah! I look at French. I said, what? He was like, yo, I put that million dollar
Starting point is 00:46:53 gloss on that bitch. I said, all right, let's call a lawyer now. It's unacceptable. You know, with me, I don't feel good if my people don't make money with me. You knew JR, rest of peace. J.R. riders changed my whole life.
Starting point is 00:47:09 It's a billionaire. I was with every day for five years. Yeah. Right? And he taught me everything about business. And the biggest thing he taught me is that everybody got to eat. You go to my stores. The managers.
Starting point is 00:47:22 The seminars you used to do? Yes, the seminars, market America. But J.R.'s a billionaire, a genius. He made sure everybody made money. And then he was good. A record labels that. It's the same thing. with Remy came home, you know, it was a struggle.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Me and her. Me and Rem were struggling, right? So I sit down in the cross and listen, let me tell you something. And I know I'm hallucinating guys. Don't get mad at me in podcast world, but I told her, yo, me and you, we like Dr. Dre and Snoop. If we hit one out the park, we're out of here. Just before lean back? No, there's after lean back.
Starting point is 00:48:01 If lean back was in Instagram era? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, it's a different type of animal. The old ladies would have been doing it. Beyond, we'd have been buying Yankee Stadium. Ooh. Imagine all the girls on Instagram right now if she was a model for a year and a half. And if she got it, that shit would go down to her ass.
Starting point is 00:48:29 Man. TikTok, you're broke. What? Y'all knew them joints was the ones. Every one of them joints. put out, y'all knew it was the ones? I knew everything. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:48:40 For real, though? It wasn't one that you was like, I don't know. The one real thing, the record label ever taught me, Craig Kamen, he said, yo, you're not Beyonce. He said, you can't put out
Starting point is 00:48:53 two, three songs and kids. He says, if it hits, we'll get another video. We'll get another song. We'll put the bag behind it. So he taught me that I got to get a hit every time. So I was thinking like a program director.
Starting point is 00:49:09 I used to go to South Carolina and watch little kids running across the grass and all that and play those songs there and say, if these kids can hear this on a Sunday, this shit out of here. And that's how we'll pick a hit every single time. And so I train myself to pick a hit. That's what you're saying you don't do.
Starting point is 00:49:32 You just go in there naturally do her, do songs, it go and go. You know, I heard a lot of artists say that. I just treat them like I don't try to make a hit. That's not what I'm going. I just go with a good joke. And if it happened, it happened.
Starting point is 00:49:48 And it would take a nigga, like, they come in there, like, oh, he'd come in and go through the dog. That's the one. That's some shit. Or here come play some shit all the time. Like the shit we just did, shot the video for last night. We got death on the bitch coming out.
Starting point is 00:50:04 That's, that's, That's some shit. You know, shout out Boobie the Boxer. That's how I'm that. Yeah, shot the Boobie, yeah. Pund's cousin. Yeah. You and Boobie was super tight.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Crazy. Pund used to come and play as the albums on 183, right about a basketball court. I'm old Pundee used to pull up with his bins. He used to have the custom made seat. He used to come in and they just put that capital punishment on. And it was even before capital punishment when he came out. With the mixtape that y'all dropped before that with the cassette tape. It was like the six joints on it.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Well, you've been around French. You know why I say that is because Pund would drive to Miami. Great. And play DJ Caled his album or his songs. He would go all the way to Miami. He trusted Callard's ear before all of us. Crazy. And I played all the way up for Callet.
Starting point is 00:50:53 And Callet sat in the speaker. And I said, yo, this the one. He was like, I really don't know. I said, motherfucker, get the fuck out the studio, nigga. I'm putting the bag up. I'm independent. This shit. It's don't want.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Just before that, I was fucked up. I did, like, four months of the Fed, they took all my money, millions of dollars. Imagine you looking at your bank for 10, 15 years, and you cake the fuck up. And one day you looked and that shit down like this. They took all my money, penalties, this, this, this, and I already paid the account in the fucking money.
Starting point is 00:51:26 At least you were still in the game. Oh, no. I came home like you in a different way. There wasn't no people there. There wasn't no, football field. No, none of that shit. I went right to Cool and Jay's studio
Starting point is 00:51:38 and Jay told me, yo, we're going to work. And I'm sitting up in there and they got the little niggas with the pink hair and the red, it was that turn. Party like a rock star. And little pumps and all on. And they up in there and they're looking at me like, what the fuck this old nigga doing in this studio?
Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah. It was getting one. And I said, man, like you always do. Get one. I think I was talking about your leg too much. I fucked my leg up. We now have the Euro step. Let me tell you something, man.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And super pause. I'll throw it right now, but I'm a little light on my ass. I'm 2.30 right now. You look good. I'm 2.30. Pause. Let me get 25.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Let me get 25. I feel magnificent. I was just watching the interview with you. Interviewing Big L. I had it. Crazy. Yeah. About two weeks before I came up,
Starting point is 00:52:33 They had the fullback joint show and they played got a flojo you had that big army on that shit he had the big surrey no, my fucking ain't playing with them like that you know, I'm trying to stick around.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Oh, Fritz, what's so with Afcombe? How was that? What was that like? I ain't never, I never do nothing that big in Morocco since I left Morocco when I was 13. So it was kind of like of a moment. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:52:57 I went there, like, two billion people. Shit. Two billion? Yeah, that's like two billion? viewers. Oh, views. Yeah, yeah. And there was like 70,000.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Yeah, like 70,000. That's a billion-wise. You gave me. I could move to Morocco and live forever for free. Or for your strength. I got on the plane to Roy, what's it called? What's the airline? Royal Morocco.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Pilot came out. You switched French Montana. I see, that's how you have. Boy, the motherfuckers flew that bitch so smooth over there. That shit lands so smooth over there, Morocco. Man, and they got the man's I'll let you finish it. The man go like there, huh?
Starting point is 00:53:38 For hours and shit. You eating in the restaurant, he's spending some shit. Right? The guy with the, what is that called? Nah, I never seen that one. You never see that. What is that called?
Starting point is 00:53:50 Dizzy. No, yes. Dizzy, like, there's a guy he got the fucking string on his head with the, like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be playing the shit. No, they go like this for hours.
Starting point is 00:54:00 You be like, oh, is this the dude, dizzy yet? Yeah. You eat. or type of fucking bumble canoosh and all type of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then keep going like this. You got, he got a tough job. Yeah, he got the string.
Starting point is 00:54:11 He keeps saying that junk. Yeah, it's tradition, yeah. Oh. Yeah, about half cut, man. Yeah, so it was the opening game, Morocco. Red One had hit me. He had produced all the music over there. He was like he had DeVito.
Starting point is 00:54:25 One got that. Yeah, yeah. So Red One, he runs, you know, because he's Moroccan. So the king let him run. Who thought he was Jamaican? Nah. He pretty. He produced Jamaican songs.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Yeah, he produced Jamaican. But he's Moroccan. He did all the Lady Gaga music. Yeah, so the king grabbed him to do all the music for the Afghans, for the African Cup. And he just hit me like a week before the joint. He'll like, y'all got the biggest single, come hop on it, come perform.
Starting point is 00:54:48 We want you to perform. So I went there, the king came to watch it. It was like a moment. I took Mom Dukes over there and he was just like, you know, it was a big moment. Never been a more famous Moroccan ever, right? I mean, in a humble way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, now that I think.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I mean, that really, I mean, there is that went Europe, like, different parts of the world. But as far as, like, the mecca of music, that somebody that came here and did not. I got to take an old man piss. Morocco is playing Brazilian, Brazil for the World Cup. Yeah, that's crazy. And Jersey. They probably go for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to go.
Starting point is 00:55:23 That's big. The Morocco was never this big in soccer until, like, the past couple years. Soccer was never this big. Yeah. Like, I think soccer is. always huge. They call it football with it. I think the sports market.
Starting point is 00:55:35 And now it's coming over. In general. Broaded. All of it. Every sport. You got a female basketball. Yeah. All that shit.
Starting point is 00:55:42 All that shit. Yeah. The TV deals, the commercial deals. I think when Morocco made it to the semifinals in the World Cup, I think it was a moment where everybody was like, you know what? Getting on board. Yeah, yeah, we belong here. Even, like, the low market teams got, like,
Starting point is 00:55:58 they stadiums be lit. It is. It is. It ain't even sold out. It ain't like it used to be. Remember, you used to watch certain teams. You watch like a Langer game. You ain't seen nobody either.
Starting point is 00:56:08 That's like there. That shit is lit. It's the market for every. Yeah. You right about that. A lot of arenas that were small markets that used to be, they only show one pack because the people's only, now of them shit is lit.
Starting point is 00:56:20 They sold you right. That was like one of the shit. I used to like see in jail. When I be watching TV and shit, I'm like, yo, the world is evolving. The economy. The money, the market, you know what I'm saying? It's, this whole shit is like an internet.
Starting point is 00:56:37 You really could come out here and do what you want. From the crib. Like, for real, you really just got to put your foot in some shit and go. That's some shit, though. Yeah, but messy, messy coming to Miami. Morocco and see a soccer game. Got to. I call this P.O. for the last game.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I was like, yo, let him come. Like, nah. Yeah, I'm working on that. I'm about to get that passport. I'll try to get you out there. I can't wait to get you out there. Working on some things. Yeah, work up to summer.
Starting point is 00:57:04 You ain't got to go nowhere. Morocco. Morocco playing. I would like to go to Morocco. Yeah, you got to. Whoever the fuck crack called or wherever that city is. What do you say? Bangladesh.
Starting point is 00:57:15 That's the last. Fuck, he starts speaking languages. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer,
Starting point is 00:57:41 the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyanko Wali. And I'm Hurricane de Bolu. It's a new year, and on the podcast's health stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Which means being honest about what we know, what we don't know and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that or am I just depressed? We talk to experts who share real experiences and insight. You just really need to find where it is that you can have an impact in your own life and to start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about. Sleep, stress, mental health, and how the world around us affects our overall health. We talk about all the ways to keep your body in mind, inside and out, healthy. We human beings, all we want is connection.
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Starting point is 00:59:13 This is a podcast for men navigating stress, emotional health, fatherhood, identity, and the unspoken pressures were taught to carry alone. We talk honestly about mental health, about healing generational wounds, and about learning how to show up with more presence and care. If you want a healthier relationship with yourself and the people you love, then Sacred Lessons is the podcast for you. Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike Dolorotcha on America's number one podcast network, IHeart.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight,
Starting point is 01:00:25 and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to you, and to to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy as in compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. Maybe you definitely said before, but something I want our audience, because we suck a free
Starting point is 01:01:00 this audience. We're killing these niggas in the podcast. They all sick. Hey, yo, fuck all these things. I want to smoke with all of you. I can't really respond to the dirty section, the AM radio. Good morning, Vietnam.
Starting point is 01:01:15 We need them niggas over there. The biggest over there in that AM section. Bair from TV. Go dirty yourselves up. Fuck that. But that why you do that? When I heard that why you do that, I said, Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:01:32 This shit incredible. Thank you. And the name, Bigger Valley, could you break down the name? It may be a weird little concept. I love it. So when I first started doing music, and I knew I could write,
Starting point is 01:01:49 I was like, all right, now you need a name. I always thought the name is like very significant when it comes to an artist. Absolutely. You need a name that ring that people are going to love and respect what type of music you're trying to put out there so why not
Starting point is 01:02:07 I said how would I sound if I mix these three niggas together big jigger and magabelli not too pop Magaveli that's the late pop there's a difference
Starting point is 01:02:21 talking about that late pop in seven day theory pop them the three niggas that was it so I came up with Max Biggervelli Biggerbelly It's incredible. What a name.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Jada, how did you came up with Jada kiss? Cracker Jackson. Shhh. It said Jada kiss? Nah. I wanted to ask you that shit. I'm starting to believe you. You got me the turkey.
Starting point is 01:02:51 I started to believe him. He got me the turkey chops. He got me the turkey chops. He brought Johnson's fried chicken in here. I'm starting to believe you. That's got it. No, no. My old, shout out to my man, Rod Lee.
Starting point is 01:03:03 I chilled on the block with older dudes. Yeah. And one day, he just came outside. Somebody must have called them or beeped them or asked him who was on the block. And he starts saying, he started giving everybody names. But he said, and that kid Jada kissed me. I just kept. Oh, he said it like that.
Starting point is 01:03:25 Yeah. And I went out there. Kay, Dade, this, that. They're kissing me. I got a nice, man. We say if I can make it mean. Yeah. They do.
Starting point is 01:03:38 French, and what made you, Tony Montana? Nah, I mean, when I first came from Morocco, I used to speak French, and I moved to the Bronx. And they used to have all these Africans on my block on Elzman. And they always used to be talking to me in French. Every time I come out, they're like, they go bonjour. Yeah. But this is coming bonjourgeal first.
Starting point is 01:03:57 And after that, they start calling me French. then, you know, after I realized I couldn't, you know, go to college or play ball and none of that, I started hustling. Couldn't get no scholarships and then. So that's how I got it. So French was from, that was me in Montana were just hustling. You know, it was crazy because I thought you was nice and ball, right?
Starting point is 01:04:14 At one time. Yeah, yeah, it was playing ball. My knee bad. This shit. That is a fried right now. He don't went to Chuck Takedo's too many time. That nigga to ran in the city. I got the Joe crack legs now.
Starting point is 01:04:28 I can't play ball. no more. I can't play ball no more. Yeah, so I'm sitting in my kneecap. I can't jump like I used to. I'm done. I don't know you're done, but you was dead nice in basketball.
Starting point is 01:04:39 Me, I was always fat Joey. Yeah, I was born. I had a bunch of letters, some colleges and everything. I was trying to figure out, but it was like, nah. You had good qualities. I had good qualities. Yeah, but... Yeah, it was like, yo, that's fat Joey.
Starting point is 01:04:53 I didn't even call myself Fat Joey. The old block called me Fat Joey. You always take the name... Your people give you. Yeah, yeah, you can't. You made your shit, but it's fine. Usually you don't get to make your nickname. No, I don't.
Starting point is 01:05:07 And people give it to you in the stick. Yeah. You can make, you made you shit. You shit is glad legend. Because I was going for something. I said, too, they just pop. I had like four other names before that. They ain't right.
Starting point is 01:05:22 They didn't work. My first shit was Fettuccini. Oh. First, my shit on the hood, Charlie Rambo. No doubt. Charlie Rambo, I heard down. Ali, boom, boom, Charlie Rambo, Fetticini,
Starting point is 01:05:35 Fed Law shit, Fettigran, Mr. Big Yard. Oh, Mr. Big Yard. It's great. Mr. Big Yard, Grand Star, getting a little nice. So now I was listening to your shit, I used to dive in y'all,
Starting point is 01:05:47 niggas shit, Paul. No, no doubt. But I couldn't, y'all was so, I love y'all's niggish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was looking for mine as you beat me to it. My back.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Yo, I was so on. Y'all shit, right? I didn't want it to rub off into my shit. Oh, my God. Whoa. Yeah. Oh. He's guitar.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Nigger fry. He fried. I didn't want to see him. So I had to distinguish my Sam. So as hurtful as it was, I had to stop listening to my locks. So down. That's respect. So I can get better.
Starting point is 01:06:28 Because, you know what I'm saying? as I started getting better, around like 2001, 2000, I came with the name Max, Max B. But guess what? I didn't know what the B. I didn't have no name for the B. When I came out of 03, 05, 04,
Starting point is 01:06:42 I caught the little violation. I went back up for 10 months, and I was writing like a dog, and that's when the shit came to him. Nobody had more than area. Big Al. Big Al, that's Lamar. We went to school.
Starting point is 01:06:54 He was the same class. Lamar, so you knew his brother. Lee. Yeah. You know his brother was not legend to give it up. He was giving it up. Legend out there. Listen, man.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Them 39 boys, they was all terrorizing shit. And I'm going to keep a real. When Elle went with rest of peace, that's bro. When Elle first came through, we didn't appreciate it. We took his joint. He was flinging them off the roof. It didn't take me to like 10 years ago to really understand the significance of Big Al shit and how nice he was.
Starting point is 01:07:29 He was nasty. He was super nasty. But it took me, it took maturity. Flamboying. To go into that. Blamey. I don't master my sound.
Starting point is 01:07:39 Now I can go back and listen to now. I know how nothing never sound like nobody. But now I can listen again. Big old would call me like, you all got beef on the block. And we would go over there in the white van.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Ugly. And we jump out. And he'd be, hold up, He'd be ready to tear that shit up. One-on-one. I'm going to be like, who? It'd be the biggest dude on the block.
Starting point is 01:08:05 He fight him one-on-one. I'd be like, you know, Elle, you want to fight this guy? Like, are you... No, I know him. He wasn't a dirty guy, man. He would fight him one-on-one. And we got the animals in the van. Man, he used to fight my brother.
Starting point is 01:08:16 And my brother was a nut. But Elle wasn't like, you know, he wasn't running around on the way. No, he's fight. You know, he never wanted to set nobody up if he knew you like that. He'd be like, because we're coming. Yeah. In the van. Really fat Joe.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Three fat Joe. We got taco. We got this. He's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's one-on-one. And it always be the biggest guy in the world. I'm not going to say he won. But Elle Fordham, one-on-one. I was out there when he got killed.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Cam and him was out there, too. I seen him on the floor. That was like the saddest shit, man. But Elle, man, he had so much coming, man. His future was really, really, really, really bright. He did whatever, man. Shout out the hall. A lot of love now.
Starting point is 01:08:59 Shout out of Massapil. And his flow never got outdated. Like, the way he rap back then. That's crazy, right? People were just rapping like that now. I'm trying to tell you, I went back and hanged one of his joints like a few months ago. And it just gave me a whole different feel. I was like, damn.
Starting point is 01:09:15 You know, Finesse discovered him. So Finesse was the hottest rapper in New York. And it was different from us. We partying, you're going, Charlie, baby. Finesse, the crowd standing there waiting for the. Oh. Yeah. Crazy.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Ah! Like, this grown man, that's all they wait. And he's going there and freestyle. They're like, Lord, Phinez is the man that you got to hear. Flood. Ooh! The whole crowd. Like, every punchline, no.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Every punchline was dramatic. And when he said, yo, I found this kid from Harvard. I ain't even know that. No, no, yes. That's crazy. He said, that's how he's digging in the crates. Yeah. You know, and man, that man, B.L.
Starting point is 01:09:57 came out in that first song. That first show was up there, like, Broadway and, like, over there by Marble Hill. Big L. spit his fucking ass off. The whole crowd, they was there for the, ooh, ah, ah, ah, imagine. He'd come up in there, the baby finesse at the time. And he tore that shit down.
Starting point is 01:10:16 He's the only artist. I ever did a song with this, that he's gonna rip me down on the song and take all my fans. We had DVD, D&D. Primo due to the beat to the enemy, just went gold for the first time. So he sits me down.
Starting point is 01:10:31 He's my little brother. He says, listen, I'm here to take all your fans. That's some Harlem shit, right? I'm here to take all your fans. I need it. So just know, come with your very best right now because I'm going to go crazy on you on this song.
Starting point is 01:10:48 And that's my favorite rhyme I ever said in my life because I was on a spot. You remember that large in the underground, freestyle dishwrecking that you did? Oh, yeah, you remember that for Finesse. They're good guys now, man. The Lord's of the Underground. Yo, what hell are.
Starting point is 01:11:05 Yo, is well. You is well. Because, you know, they caught beef with Fennest. Because it was Lord Finesse. For some reason, the lords of the underground, they try to go at Foness. And, you know, it's like every, I didn't mind my business. I was a wild thing. They were just coming in.
Starting point is 01:11:21 And, damn, man, I hope they don't resurf. That shit don't resurface. They're good people. It is what it is. Your friends, you had enough battles, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit was like, well, right now we're really not into nothing to the shit we used to be into.
Starting point is 01:11:37 But I think, so y'all was the first one to really actually start drill rap. Who? Because drill rap is basically who's the first emcees to start beefing, right? Because they were telling us, that's Kumo D. Yeah, that's Kumo D. Kamo D started your busy beat.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Busy beat. But they say the first gangster rapper was Ice T. And then KRS was the second one. We Googled that shit, right? I don't know who we is. We Google that shit. Icy was the first gangster rapper, I think. The first rapper with a diss song was Icey?
Starting point is 01:12:13 No. The first thing in terms of all, they were dissing each other. Every battle. Every jam had battles. Cold crush against the romantic. Them niggas, they've been battling forever, but the first big battle was Kumo D and Busy B. Busy B was like a Max B.
Starting point is 01:12:31 Life of the Party ever for an hour. I don't know if you remember the old school movie, he spelt his name with the money. He was Busy B. Busy B was rocked to party. Crazy. And your man, a young Kumo D came up and there was like that barb to the bar,
Starting point is 01:12:45 take that shit on home. His shit was like his hit. His lean back was to the bob to the bob, the bang to bang. He said something in and on. Take that barb to the bar. I always thought it was MC Shaman. K.R.S. That started the first hour.
Starting point is 01:12:58 That was after. That's a little bit. That's a little bit. They put a picture in Instagram yesterday, KERS 1. And they said, what comes to mind? I immediately wrote South Bronx, South, South Bronx. I looked at the comments and they was like, let me begin. They were just over. Then they come and they're like, are you a philosopher?
Starting point is 01:13:18 Yo, there is so many KRS quotes. I don't think nobody repeated the quotes. Every song was you must learn. Yeah. My main man, Rob. Now, what the fuck am I? You remember that love's going to get you. Love's going to get your love's going to get you.
Starting point is 01:13:35 What he said? GiaWi. What he said? J-A-Wi-Wil. Fuck school. Your Love's going to get you. Gea-Wik. It finished you right now.
Starting point is 01:13:44 A G-A-W-E-A-W? Shot the Jamaica. You was chakin up with a G-A-W-W-B. Found that was somebody Jamaican who started hip-hop. That's crazy. Shout to Jamaica. Oh, you didn't know that. No.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Cool hurt. Yeah. But I didn't even know he was Jamaican, though. So shot to Jamaica. He's a big hand. That niggies like a fucking giant. And he's the most solid one of all the founders. Crazy.
Starting point is 01:14:05 You know, he's a real nigga. Cool work. Yo, when the Bronx, when the Bronx looked like Vietnam, where all the buildings was blown out and burned to it. That name got the convertible with the fucking speakers in the back. Driving through the Bronx when the shit looked like Vietnam. The train still has spray paint on. Big time before the spike train or something.
Starting point is 01:14:27 That was before graffiti. That nigga was out there with the convertible shit like a dawn. Crazy. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. You had the caddy, right? He had the caddy, the big shit he was riding around. He was driving through the shit. This is cool, her, the founder of hip.
Starting point is 01:14:43 Yeah. Well, just to know somebody Jamaican created a hip-hop. And in Jamaica, they don't even do hip-hop. It's kind of crazy. Well, I can tell you something that's crazy, right? I don't want nobody to kill me at the deli, but every Sunday I go to the Italian deli go get the olives,
Starting point is 01:15:00 the turkey, the everything. So there's a man there that's like the rain man. He's a customer. He stands there and he just flogers everybody. No, the man starts telling me the rain man. It's a white dude. He's really, really smart. He got like Asperger's or autism on a high level with a smart, smart guy.
Starting point is 01:15:20 And then he asked me, he said, yo man, what instruments you are I played for hip hop and all that. And I was like, you know what? We don't really play the instruments. We sample. He said, what do you mean? Sample?
Starting point is 01:15:31 They got these machines, but they take jazz. They take rock. They take Sousa. They take R&B. And I realized hip hop come from everywhere. Yeah. I never really thought about it until he asked me that question. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:45 It actually is a fucking gumbo. One million percent. You sample all the shit together and that's how hip hop come out. Yeah. The album would be out already Turn to the Coke Wave, man Coke Wave, Narcos 3.5. Let me tell you how we got
Starting point is 01:16:00 a 3.5. Because we were so high that we skipped part of three. But you don't get high no more, they said. That's hard. They were so high, they skipped three. We skipped three. So we went straight from two to four. So he'd come home, I'm like, yo, we got a problem.
Starting point is 01:16:21 We skipped the whole value. You got cut back to 3.5. I got a solution. We're going to call it 3.5. That's both. He said the 3 for the one we missed and a 0.5 for the one that comes after 4. So we got 2 back.
Starting point is 01:16:38 You want to know what's crazy. That's a genius. You want to know what's crazy, I can never get the vision out my face. Pause. Come on, man. Come on. Crack.
Starting point is 01:16:51 You can't get wet. The vision. Vision. I ain't saying nothing, Paul. On my face of this man with a captain's hat with force, white girls, just, it looked like he was, what's my man to die the playboy dude? You? He was after that night in the club.
Starting point is 01:17:12 Yeah. I'm looking at him. I'm like, yo, this thing is. Yeah. Be is out of control, bro. What a life, man. Now you're married. You got your wife everywhere with you.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Yeah, she's in the building. Smart man. Smart man. You're out of a lot of trouble, huh? A nice system implemented. Can't complain. Because you got it. You got your shit together.
Starting point is 01:17:37 And I've watched other interviews. Nah, you got your shit together, bro. You ain't with that shit. You ain't falling for nothing. Yeah, yeah. Doing shit. You got your shit together. And everybody, if everybody's, even the goons,
Starting point is 01:17:49 I know they've been waiting 17 years. for you to come home. Everybody's been waiting for the money to come in, whatever the case may be. Everybody's been on max time. So you got to let them know, we all got to be in harmony. And that's one of the toughest things I had to learn since day one.
Starting point is 01:18:06 I'm coming with the animals. And they beating up my fans. The ugly ones. You got a flow, Joe. Look, they do flow, Joe. It's number one in America. They do a concert, my first show. Lehman College in the Bronx.
Starting point is 01:18:22 I come up with the whole forest projects. Not half, not two-thirds, black, Spanish. This was FJ 560 days? Before that. This is 9-3. Right? You're funny, too. We used in Patterson Project.
Starting point is 01:18:39 And he told me, yo, you safe from right here. I said, nigga, I sold my first bag of dope on this fucking. I swear to God. This is a little bit of insurance. I sold my first bag of dope in that park on that bench right there. No, it was heavy that day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he told me I'm safe.
Starting point is 01:18:57 I said, all right, friends. I'm worried, man, you know. You remember like an elephant. No, I told him. I said, yo, I don't smoke. I don't drink. I'm focused. My sugar right?
Starting point is 01:19:07 I'm good. Yeah, you stopped drinking way before everybody. Man, listen. I couldn't even give crack a bottle of Nuvo while he was making it all the way up. I'm trying him to drink Nuvo. I'm like, oh, it was no licking. his crack. He stopped drinking before. Everybody.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Well, you got me, you got me high. We shot the video to cooking in the desert. And I went in your fucking trailer. I don't know if you remember that. You Zach and y'all was there and you had chocolate chip cookies. Of course, my fat ass going, I start eating the truck and they all laughing. I don't know why. They laughing at me. I'm tearing up the chocolate chips.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Next thing I know, I'm high. I don't smoke nothing. I'm like, yo, what the fuck in the desert? We had tigers. in the desert. I'm so high. I'm banging on Remy's door. She's in the trailer next door.
Starting point is 01:19:54 Now, boom, boom, bam, bam. We got to go. It's turning dark. That shit was like 12 noon, my name. It's turning dark. Video, as soon as the sun goes down, the video's over. I was hot. Then I realized I went back.
Starting point is 01:20:06 I said, she said something wrong with you, Joe. I said, yo, Ram, stop. She's like, you're high. Something. And I went back, I said, yo, they started dying laughing. Yeah. Spike cheek. She changed the old treatment.
Starting point is 01:20:19 Yeah. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now. Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:20:57 Hi, I'm Dr. Priyanko Wali. And I'm Hurricane Dabolu. It's a new year. And on the podcast's Health Stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. Which means being honest about what we know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that or am I just depressed? We talk to experts who share real experiences.
Starting point is 01:21:21 and insight. You just really need to find where it is that you can have an impact in your own life and just start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about. Sleep, stress, mental health and how the world around us affects our overall health. We talk about all the ways to keep your body in mind, inside and out, healthy. We human beings, all we want is connection. We just want to connect with each other. Health stuff is about learning, laughing, and feeling a little less alone. Listen on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A new year doesn't mean erasing who you were. It means honoring what you've survived and choosing how you want to grow. It means giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding
Starting point is 01:22:06 and knowing that it's okay to ask for help. I'm Mike Dolorotcha, host of Sacred Lessons. This podcast is a space for men to talk openly about mental health, grief, relationships and the patterns we inherit, but don't have to repeat. Here, we slow down. We listen. We learn how vulnerability becomes strength and how healing happens in community, not in isolation. If you're ready to let go of what no longer serves you and step into the year with clarity, compassion, and purpose, sacred lessons is your companion on your healing journey.
Starting point is 01:22:44 Listen to Sacred Lessons with Mike DeLerich on America's number one podcast network, IHeart. Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delo Rocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions. Get stronger, work harder, fix, what's broken? But what if the real work isn't physical at all? To kick off the new year, I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught to name.
Starting point is 01:23:22 In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy. and compassion. If you want this to be the year, you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath,
Starting point is 01:23:48 listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. So this shit, what's the African joint where the kids is dancing? Unforgettable. How many diamond is that shit now?
Starting point is 01:24:07 Probably like going on 20, about like 84 around the world. I wish, man, I wish I walked out the label and did make a ring, like how you did it with that record. you would a smith. I wish I'd have to vote that record. Yo, French, I think you went, I think you was off the label, right?
Starting point is 01:24:27 You was leaving the label. And then you hit that one, and they came back and said, hold up. Yeah. Let's work this out. Because I paid for that record. I paid half of that record. Day when I was in the studio,
Starting point is 01:24:37 just working on the album, I remember Travis coming in, we did a joint, a couple people came in. But Jeremiah came in for like two days. we stayed up for like two days cooking. There was a point where Germile was just playing records. And he played this one joint. He was already a hook on there.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Yeah, Germile played it. You gave him that million-dollar voice, huh? I turned around, looked at him, he looked at me. I said, pull that joint up. That was a lay-up. Yeah, he played it. How genius was it your idea? I know you were African,
Starting point is 01:25:07 but it was your idea to go get the kids? Yeah. So the kids, I was watching them kids before I even had the record. Them kids, I was already watching them. Because I'm like, man, these kids, they don't dance like nobody. I'm like, so I started asking doing my homework.
Starting point is 01:25:23 They were like, they don't watch no TV on that. So they had to learn all their moves, like, on some, you know, just as, as they're going. What part of Africa was that? It was Uganda. It was Uganda. So I was- With Kamala. So I was trying to.
Starting point is 01:25:36 Kamala, the wrestler. So I was shy to fly men. They was like, they can't get no visas, no-N-that. You got to go there. It was a 30-hour flight. And mind you, when I got unforgettable, the record leaked. The business wasn't done.
Starting point is 01:25:52 So when Jeremiah gave me the record, I remember I called up Sway. I'm like, yo, bro, I want this record. There was like, they already had the record going on something else. So imagine, like, you had lean back, and somebody called you, say, nah, you can't have that record no more. So I hauled that Sway and I highlight that Mike Wilson. It was kind of back and forth.
Starting point is 01:26:10 But I think my man, Sal came in and shot to Sal. Sal came in here was like, bro, I'm going to tell you how you're going to get this record. Just give him $300,000 for the record. We pay $5,000 for beats. We pay $10,000 for beats. I never paid for a record for $300,000. I was looking at Sal like he was crazy. But the record was already out.
Starting point is 01:26:26 So now the record is already out, and somebody is telling you pay $300,000 for a record. Nobody in the right state of mine going to be like, I'm paying $300,000. Because you still don't know if the record going to go or not. But the record was already leaked out. It was already out. When I went to the label, it said the record is already out.
Starting point is 01:26:41 The label was like, nah, we don't want to invest in this. So I had to go in my pocket. And I was like, look, if y'all match me, I get it. So I put up 150 and shot the Sylvia Rohn. She put up 150. But I went to Africa and I shot the video out of my own pocket too. Crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:57 We shot the video and we had the song and the song was already out. So we just had to gamble. It was like a million dollars of gambling. You know, I caught an L like that one time. I did the song with, I was so honored to do a song with Kanye West. He made me book. Hype Williams. I paid Hype Williams,
Starting point is 01:27:15 I think maybe $300,000. I'm independent. Crazy. A man come with a flashlight was the light. You know how they got, they got more lights in here right now than the end of it. He came with a flashlight.
Starting point is 01:27:27 He's like, something new I'm working on. I say, what? Oh, man. You talk about I got body, like, Billions might have spent 10 grand on that video. But the video came out phenomenal. He can't be.
Starting point is 01:27:40 And then your man Kanye never charged me but he said, yo Joe covered a wardrobe. He ordered $10,000 tang tops from France and shit. Like, he killed me on that budget. Like, I'm like, Kim Kardashian comes through. It's a movie, right? But I flew the bag on that. A couple of hundred thousand radio, video, this, this, that,
Starting point is 01:28:05 and the shit ain't gone. And I came back and threw another bag on that, Another 300,000. I just knew it had to be hit. Yeah, man. And it didn't go. It didn't go. It was great.
Starting point is 01:28:18 It's a nostalgia piece. I rocked with Kanye. This shit looked beautiful. But I caught a hell on that. This one I caught a hell on. Yeah. I remember Kanye had me meet him in the middle of the desert. Planes with a shot Khan air.
Starting point is 01:28:31 That was incredible. Yeah. That video was incredible. Getting him and Nas there. That's when I was like. That was like us getting French Montana. No, man. That's not, it wasn't Moses.
Starting point is 01:28:44 It was, I forgot the name. But it was like a hip-hop joint. I never expected it to be a hit. I've seen that joke. No, it was incredible. You're on the graveyard of the planes. Yes, it was with it shot Khan era. That was a vibe.
Starting point is 01:28:57 That video right there was legend. Yeah, shot the I was a real right. Yeah. But you had to get them there. Yeah. How crazy is that? Bar, lightning in the bottle. You go about 300,000.
Starting point is 01:29:10 I'll tell you a story I never said before. It was crazy when we just talking. But I never forget we shot John Blaze. I had the young Jaded kiss for hair. Paul. It's all record. Punt. The only one that was late was Nas.
Starting point is 01:29:26 And last minute, Steve Stout showed up and was like, yo, we need 10 grand for him being the video. This is when Joe Crackers, Don Carter, Gene. I ain't paying for a peach, nigga. I'm walking in the supermarket getting free. I'm like, y'all, I ain't paying for shit. I'm walking up in there, like, I'm in the supermarket taking free peaches and shit.
Starting point is 01:29:47 Like, yo, Dawn, don't pay for shit. Yeah, I was so in my feelings. Even though I was rich already. I was like, you know what? I was like, yo, 10 grand. He was like, yo, you know, it's not. I said, no, that's not even a question. He did the song for free, but I gave them that 10 grand.
Starting point is 01:30:02 That felt like the 300. Yeah. Because in some days, I don't think nobody was paying for nobody to show up or nothing. that Jade is there. Who's there? Rayquan is there. Mac 10.
Starting point is 01:30:13 Pun is there acting. No. Mac 10. But I learned from that, though. I saw the weekend pay somebody as big as the weekend one. I was bugging. I was like, yeah, why are you paying him? You're the weekend.
Starting point is 01:30:25 My man Cash was like, when they ask us for something, smoke day gizzards. Woo! He said you're going to smoke their what? Smoke that gizzard truss. We got new music to play. We got new music. Yo, play that joint
Starting point is 01:30:42 You've been talking about France that you think is the board I'm gonna let Max pick one And I pick one off the tape Okay He can play. Oh, Papa Half. He'll play Papa Half and I'll play
Starting point is 01:30:52 ever since you left me, John. Rankie Crocky. On deck Don Vel-ha She popped the half got a telly show A bitch bad one Count Cash is my favorite song
Starting point is 01:31:16 That cool black But the most of it I bet them hoes love it Fly by that plane Married to tell love Bring no luck Might just go ghost Fucking white bitch got no stumb
Starting point is 01:31:28 Coke boys They ain't ass in the zone Proudly with four or five bitches Trying to show Years and I be gone Just a taste Just a taste Just a taste
Starting point is 01:33:54 Let's know Play the other one Oh no, this is the one Yo stop it This the one This is the one This the one No, no, this the one.
Starting point is 01:34:07 I heard you on the studio when y'all played this. I was like, this shit out of here. This is the one. I never even heard one word. This is the one. The look. Number I told you. This is what.
Starting point is 01:34:18 This is one. One second. I already know. This is the one. Let's go. Let's go. You're ready to shake your asses. I went in depth on the bitch.
Starting point is 01:34:33 Ever since you left me, more money, more cars, more hoes, more show. since you left me. More diamonds, more gold, more motion, more holes. I went deaf on a bib. I went deaf on a bill. All I need is one night. That's my yes, I Fiesta. Drop top G wagons, we don't do testlers. Don't pay for the bag. I pay semesters. I turn dream girls to my new extras. Ha, niggas recognized game girls do too. A friend to all is a friend to none. So don't push me, bitch, because I'll press the button. I win death on a bit. It's solid of him. I went deaf on a bit. All I need is one.
Starting point is 01:35:34 You're going to have to spread on it. All I need is one night. Dump drip. Baby want a piece, call me scrum shish. Baby want to be with me and called me a husband. She was singing on my mic, Teddy where her husband. This statue love food, boom, time. Woo!
Starting point is 01:36:08 I went deaf on a bitch. All I need is one night. All I need is one night. Food. Trying to get in that other. It's trying to get you the other back. No, trying to get you another. This is a monster.
Starting point is 01:36:33 I supredo. This will get you to Morocco to see the monkeys. I'm going to get that person. You're going to get that person. I'll get you to see the monkey right there. He's going to get you to your home monkey. You're going to get that pass, boy. I'm going to get that far on him.
Starting point is 01:36:50 That's crazy. Fuck with that. That's a heat seat. This is a couple pieces of taste. That's a global nuclear monster right. Listen. And shout to bro. The rollout was crazy.
Starting point is 01:37:01 Still rolled. We still rolling. Still roll. We're having a roll. Yeah. Big Swiss roll. From Miami. The big Swiss roll.
Starting point is 01:37:10 We still rolling. Yeah. Rollout's crazy. You put like three V's four four videos together. That's the way. Yeah. That's the way. We got kid art.
Starting point is 01:37:21 Shout to Johnny. Shout to Johnny. Johnny. Johnny produced that joint. He nice. The Mawa was crazy. I had that record for like a year. I just had a talk.
Starting point is 01:37:29 I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it. Played that shit. Two seconds. I heard it. I saw, no, no. Yeah. There's no way Max Vee come home to rap or this shit.
Starting point is 01:37:39 I said, this. Add, because you, you got so much charisma, so much style. And, you know, it takes me back to the little clips when you had the long head. So I knew you was going to do what you had to do to this. I said, oh, my God. Now, he made, he made it a point. I get on that record. He's like, yo, fuck, and you doing, we got shit going.
Starting point is 01:37:59 on, but look, you got, get on this. Like, you need this. Yeah. That's how he did that. You shot the video yet? You shot the video last? That's the, man, you didn't bring out the pilot hat. Nah, we was looking at the pilot.
Starting point is 01:38:13 That's the pilot hat, rest of the piece. The pilot hat? Yo, that's all by. I've never, I've seen a lot of things in my life. Yeah. That pilot hat, boy. Yeah, we had the velvet blazers going on. Y'all was going crazy.
Starting point is 01:38:27 You know, I had about a million hours. Oh, that's out of you. That shit on last. Nice night. Friends, that's out of you. Oh, thank you, bro. Put the bag behind him. He was not fucking around.
Starting point is 01:38:34 You got, welcome to Royal Airlines. What's the shit taking you to Morocco? Yeah. What's the name of it? Yeah. The airline? We try to go independent and get that bag like you. Yeah, but what's the, what's the other era Morocco?
Starting point is 01:38:45 Royal Air Morocco. That Royal Air Morocco. You said I get it at Maca-Dacres. Yeah. You should have brought the little man in the video. This ain't that? That ain't this. That ain't this.
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