Joe and Jada - Hitmaka on Yung Berg name change, Pharrell & Kanye, WILD rap industry stories

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by hip hop industry mogul Hitmaka, who tells Joe and Jada about his career transformation going from rapping under the name Yung Berg on hits like "Sexy Can I?" featuring Ray J to producing scores of hits as Hitmaka, the hip hop producers he looks up to (Kanye West, Pharrell, Timbaland, Jermaine Dupri, and No I.D.), his collaborations with Bryson Tiller, and his appearance on Cam Newton's podcast "Funky Friday" earlier this year. Joe also tells more iconic stories about Hitmaka making magic in the studio with Cool & Dre, his Terror Squad pool parties in Miami, and why he's beefing with Costco for their false advertising of half-price Ozempic. 6:30 - Hitmaka's rap producer idols 13:30 - Cam Newton asking him about his romantic life on Funky Friday Podcast 17:30 - Does Joe need to retire "cock-diesel"? 28:00 - Hitmaka tells a wild Joey Crack story 34:00 - Joe's beef with Costco over Ozempic prices 46:00 - Hitmaka needs to know Fat Joe's music video budgets 53:30 - Legendary Terror Squad pool parties in Miami 58:30 - Fat Joe & Jadakiss' drip CAN'T be topped 1:06:30 - How Fat Joe blew his first $10 million deal 1:19:00 - Peak of Fat Joe & Jadakiss' careers 1:26:30 - Hitmaka's artist Ron E plays new single "Still on My Mind" feat. Fabolous [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] Joe and Jada now on Patreon All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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our next guess I knew him for years since he living in Miami now I knew him since he was a jit how they say down there you know what I mean I watched him you know I mean he was part of my family he's still part of my family

then he grew on and do his own things every since then he's just been collecting plaques collecting diamonds buying property buying Rose Royces ladies and gentlemen give it off of my mid hit maker yes sir Somebody I can say in this industry of fakers and vultures and pieces and shits,

one guy could say who's really loyal. Don't get mistaken by him. You know, every interview, he bound to say some shit today, right? Every interview he goes crazy. You might think he just talks shit, but this man is a loyal guy, the one and only hit me. Yes, sir. Yo, head, let me tell you something. You know when I'm sitting in,

I'm looking at all of them diamonds and shit? No. I never told you, but I'll be watching you because, you know, I got serious collections and I see you, man. If I got to watch, nobody could get that costs a house in Atlanta, he'd pull up a month later and be like, yo, a new one. Every shit, every watch, he'll bust that bitch. I'd be like, yeah, yeah.

I've taken it as flattery, but I'm also happy that I see my brother come up and do what he like to do. The problem I got with hit maker. Oh, shit. It's not going to be a problem. I'm on your side.

You got your flag already? I'm on your side. Get right. But in this game, it ain't no cheating in the game. Yeah. And some artists think they could cheat the game. You got to go in that studio.

You got to let you love. life out. You got to put in that pain, that passion. You don't know how many artists some of y'all call hitmaker for me. You're going to give me a hit. Like, you come across that, right? Everybody who sit down think you're giving them a free hit, right? Sure, for sure. I mean, ain't nothing to free, my brother. Only for y'all. You know what I mean? What I mean is they don't want to put in that pain, stay in that studio night and day, don't change your clothes, this, this, this. That's how I'm accustomed. to making hits.

For sure. You locked itself in six months and you're in there every day and you don't come out and you don't give a fuck. The most you do is watch a game, you come out with some hits. I've heard more than 20 different artists

that I respect and I know tell me, yo, I'm just go see hit making get a hit. They think it's like that. It is like that, though. I'm the walking, talking chico. Like, I go to the studio. I give BB hell at Circle House six days a week.

I go there and work. until I can't work no more, so I'm ready to drive home. And then the reality is when you come see me, you come get a hit. You don't, I don't play beats. I'm playing you a smash. You fill in the blanks. You go do what you need to do. It's the aliup of all aliups when you come see me.

So that's why people be like, I've heard executives say like, man, like, you ain't no real A&R. You just sent your artist to hitmaker. He did all the A&R shit for you. He got the feature on the song. He got the hook. He got this shit already done. Like, what did you do?

But, I mean, that's why they pay me like 50 grand a record. Man, let me tell you something. Man, now watch you come up and, man, it's a beautiful thing to see. How many records sold now? 350-something million. I got 18 number ones at radio, 27 billion streams, something like that. I don't know. The only guy I've seen with numbers like that is Jermaine DePree.

One of my idols. I love them. Who are your idols in doing this? Man, JD, as far as producers, only JD, Kanye, of course, because I'm from Chicago. No ID. Damn, I guess Timber and Farrell, round that out, top five. I never work with Farrell yet. That's going to be interesting.

We finally have a, no. That's going to be interesting. He made happy in one of the rooms in Circle House that I work in all the time. I'm like, yo, I'm still trying to get that happy. You know what I'm saying? Energy, boy. That was a different type of record. I'm going to tell you some crazy shit, right?

This is crazy because I love both of them and they both beyond historical producers because we're talking producers. You know, I was there when Timberland went cold. And Scott Storch was right next door, had cheese lines down the block. L.O. Cool, J. This one or that one. Whoever was hot was online.

Scott Storch, and Timbo was sitting in the front of the studio and look at all the rappers act like he wasn't Timbo the King. I watched the same thing happen to Farrell in Miami when he got cold. I used to go there. He used to be like, yo, Joe, come tell me stories. He has all these stories that I tell on here ahead of time. He knew I was the story king.

Yo, tell me your stories. I'm sitting with them when they're cold. Now this guy's running fucking Louis Vuitton, biggest guy, happy, this, that. But I remember Timbo. He wasn't mad at Scott Storch He'd just be like, don't worry I'm coming with some shit I'm coming and then that boy cracked that cord

I'm bringing sexy back Yeah I know I'm not your mommy mommy Yeah Yeah He got I'm not your mommy mommy mommy mommy Mommy boy Him and that danger hand

Yes sir Salute change the whole fucking And I'm guilty because you know I've been around a long time. Danger hands came one time a DJ Callet studio in the house

and played me some beats that were too futuristic for me at the time. And I was just like, you know, and boy, he turned into Danger Hands. Yo, I got, you know, can I tell you a story? Yes, sir. I think that one New Year's Eve

at that we did that record, I think that you, because you know I'm T.S. To the death of me. You know what I'm saying? I'm mad I ain't got my T.S. Shane here, too. I should have brought it, I think, yo, this man, Joe did some shit that was so insane.

It was me. It was at DJ Callet's New Year's Eve, but on party. You invited me. I came with you. It was me, you, Diddy, and Calut. And this nigga Joe was like, there's Diddy, there's DJ Khalid, and now it's it maker. And if you said that shit, I'm like, damn, that was just like one of the biggest compliments ever. I think you started beef with me and Khalid right then there at his house.

too. Well, he don't have no beef with you. He can't. But what I'm saying to you is, you cut from the family tree when it comes to producing and making hits. So, I've been a guy that whether I make a dollar with you or not, I'm true to the culture.

So if I said that, I meant that, you know, and I'm just letting him know, like, yo, he's coming from that family tree of hit makers. You know, and, you know, respect the kid. The kid coming up. be on the lookout for him.

And that's what I probably did. But beef with Cali, Cal is, he has no beef with you. No, no, I'm talking about competitive. They're impetive. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, everybody's competitive in this game. Everybody think the best.

We just had Walet right there. You didn't hear him, but he said he's the best. Very quietly. He was like, you're on the best. And he said he's in the top rapper talk of what he said. Of all the time? No. Yes.

He just said, I'm in top rap. He was playing some new music. And he said, I'm in that top rapper to him. You should feel like that playing this new project. That's why I didn't, and I heard it. Just let it. You ain't feel no way when he said it? Because it's top five that are a lot.

I don't, no, no, he- My shit is in front of my shit's in cement. Shout out my man, Steve E Jackson, man, I seen him take a picture. They had a fucking George Floyd statue. George Floyd's bigger than the building. Steve, you know, he, NBA. He looked like a midget. Damn.

I mean, and that was his brother. This guy's statued up. Like, we, he don't take none of the guys that got a person. They're actually going to make them taller in the statue. You know, we're not worried about that, but the man did mumble that shit under his breath. No, it's that's the type of rapper talk. He's supposed to feel. That's what you're supposed to do.

I guess we all feel that way. If you don't, you know, you should see it. I don't think nobody's fucking with me. And, like, I could prove. it. I love talking that shit. Nobody's fucking with me. Nobody has more hits in their phone than me right now. There's not a producer walking

this planet earth right now. Me and one for my shirt. Of course, bro. No, listen. Who you want? Leon Thomas? Who do you want on the hook? I mean, it's here. It's done. It's in my phone right now. Adverse. See what I'm saying? See, the producers,

y'all get a lot of, y'all are dealing with different finances. So, y'all don't, y'all, y'all Our competitive nature stays just that y'all see each other buying helicopters and doing, you know what I mean? But coming from the rapist shit is a different thing. But your formula, though, over the past fucking, I don't know how much years.

About 10 years. Yeah, you've been hitting them out the park consecutively. And I don't know how that's making people fit. It should make anybody feel good because it used to be a lot of doors to go. go to when you making a project, you can be like, oh, that was, the window is closed. Man, they got to feel good about this shit because in reality, bro, like, I'm still, I'm iceberg, I'm Youngberg. It's just, I'm hitmaker now, bro. Like, people don't know the, the long

form of my career. Like, they got to see it in real time. Like, I'm literally, like, people would be like, I was the nigga that DMX used to go sick on niggas. Like, yo, go, go get them. I remember rapping with Cassidy and being at Powerhouse while you cut. records and being around P.K. and Swiss beats, like, I got that type of career. And then I became Youngberg on my own thing. Now I'm just like a heavy stepper as hitmaker. Like, I ain't going lie. Like, it's hit like astronomical type of different things, you know what I'm saying? I watch you on interviews and you talk about chicks, you smash the distance. Yo, you really are transparent out here. I don't lie. I can't lie. You speak very clear. And it's on the internet that

I smashed these girls to what I'm supposed to be in it if Cam Newton asked me some bullshit and he set me up with that and y'all know that interview was done eight months ago somebody just recycled that clip and made that shit go viral again

but they set me up with that like we did the whole interview and then at the end he like we want to play a game show and it was almost like who have you fucked like the game show it should have been the title of it

and he just rapid fire names names if y'all look at the clip I was kind of uncomfortable when he was asking me but I'm just like I just met you an hour ago Cam why you need to know all my bodies Yeah, man, that man can't.

He wanted them traitors. Like, he's one of those chicks, too. So I don't mean in that way. I mean, like, he wanted them guys he feel he hit mad chicks. So he was trying to make sure I ain't hitting that of his work. That's really what it was. That's exactly what it was. You can save that for off camera, though.

You got to save that off camera, right? You're going to save that off camera, right? Yeah, you're rather than max. shoot out off the kids. Yeah, I ain't know where it was going to cause. I'm going to be honest, yo. It did feel lame. Like, I'm not a kiss and tail type dude. Yeah, shit. I mean, it's fucked up.

Like, that's what the people want. Like, they want to know all your business. They want to know what you ate for breakfast this morning. They want to know how many Diet Coke you didn't have and it's a 2.30. They want to know everything, bro. Yeah, they do. And we hope they're happy for us. You know what I'm saying? Because we out here, what people don't realize is

that our jobs is a service. Mm-hmm. Service the people, you know? To the people. We're making the people happy. You went out to Virginia, you body that shit, but you know how many people in the crowd?

You're their favorite rapper. You made them happy. They went home happy. You provide music to this, yo, that's my song. You know, and we're just providing the service. I always say that the people don't like you. There's you.

You cut so many records with so many singers with so many reference artists. They never made it as big as they should because they're talented, but what they don't realize is the people got to like you. Facts. And that's the crazy part of it. You know what I mean? But we hope everybody's happy for us because we share our lives with them.

You know, tonight I'm getting in the ward at the hip-hop museum. You're somebody else, right? I don't know. I seen it. I think I got invited, right? You just come through, eat some lights and steak and shit. And then, you know, it's like... Is it Tiffany Ace of Spades there?

No, it's Tiffany Aces State. That's all we do. We live a fucking life. I go over my Amex bill. Shit, disrespectful. Just restaurants put you out the business, right? Yo, I called... The 92 rappers, if they saw my Amex bill...

Unbelievable. What? They will commit suicide. They'll pass out raises and be like, all right, everybody together. I know you're filthy because I called... Oh, no. Yo, look, I call Joe Crack. I'm begging him,

yo, I got some heat on for you. I got some heat on for you. He's like, hit, make, I'm in Dubai trying to live a life, man. I'm like, that niggins just skipped all the way over the record. He's like, you know what happens? Himaker is when you get as old as me, okay? I'm going to give you my beginning of the speech. This is a new, you know, I'm very, I'm very into God.

And religion in my relationship with the man. but I've got a new prayer that starts my prayer every morning. God, thank you for my eyes that I'm able to see. God, thank you for my nose that I can smell. Thank you for my mouth that I can eat and I can talk. These simple things right here, if you think about how important that shit is, that he gives us the opportunity to get up another day,

it's out of control. So I'm at, you know, rest of peace, DiAngelo. Rest and peace. The man was Coch Diesel. I've been fat my whole life. I'm keeping it a buck. No, no. I'm just saying to you, it's like, yo, I got to appreciate every day.

I'm at the point where when I wake up in the morning and I peeped to see the sun and be like, oh, God. Yo, I'm a fan of this show. Cock Diesel is one of them. We can't say that no more. Cock Diesel. And you love to say it. Plagrant.

Yo, you love that. You love it so much, Paul. You, too, huh? Yo. This show is like fucking Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills cop. It's one of them sits with my partner's shits on me every day. It's unbelievable.

You know, now you got people said, Trader Kiss don't even believe him. That's why he throws the face. You got a little shit going on out there. I get on. Were you giving the suckers Some content You know what I mean?

Because we got blood Well, you could throw another one We got blood suckers He threw his oath They whole shit Is based off what we're talking about True And so that's how I know

How we drive in the culture Is when you got other guys Like, okay What Jada kid says have anything sound like Kiss to sign by here it's the same way in the podcast

I watch guys wait till a new podcast come and they fake think they lit and they go on right about what we say

and they got a problem with it or they agree or they whatever and so we're giving them we feeding them content

you know what I'm saying so it is what it is brother the flags it's okay you know I know I know what I'm doing I'm into getting money oh we know

A whole lot of money. I'm not even going to lie to you guys. And so we in this podcast game, motherfucker came out of jail, Fabio Foreman, and said, no, save the records, hitmaker. I'm a stream. Streaming. He told you.

Podcast. No, no, I'm not saying that. But he said, they asked him. He came out of jail. I don't know if you've seen that little video clip. And they said, yo, you're going to studio. No, I'm streaming. I'm streaming.

There got to be a reason. That's where the bags at. The podcast, the streaming, that's where the bags are. So you see me in it, you may laugh and I'm here to entertain you. I tell you, we provide a service, but I laugh. That glizzy talk is going to turn into so many M's. And I'm going to say thank you for loving the glizzy talk. Thank you.

Joe going to be the spokesperson for Oscar Meyer, like, in six months. I will check to check. Yo, Jake, get on it, get on the subrettes. Yo, but I'm true. Listen, bro. I'm true to what I say. You say, cap, I went to the Yankee game all the day. We're glissies.

Oh, drink. The guy next to me is eating steak, lobster, crab, clans. You know, the Yankees, they got some shit. They got like a club. You've been in there, right? Steak, lobster, this, this, this. I'm Glyzzy mania. Little mustard.

I don't give a fuck. A little monster. Yo, boy? A little monster? We're going to the awards later. My wife trying to cook me all type of shit when we had a yes it, mine. Just give me a couple of goodies, man. I'd be all right.

Then we'll go to a ward show. Maybe we eat something over there. I don't give a fuck. Is it nostalgic? Like, what is it with the, I don't even want to say that word? How about I'm not phobic? It is nostalgic. He stayed the way for it.

Hold on. That is. Yo, how about I'm not phobic? You know, I'm cool with some gay guys that's, like, really gay. Okay. Okay, ATL's finest. And I'm in the essence, first, I don't know no better. I'm in the golf cart.

I see my man, Miss Lawrence. I'm like, yo, Lawrence! These guys are like, you know, they're holding up the flag in another level. His friends are looking like, yo, fat, yo, the gangster rapper jumping off. I don't give a fuck. If you're my brother and I love you, I don't give a fuck. For sure. So I'm jumping off the car.

Yo, Lawrence, what's up? Yeah, yo, I don't give a fuck. If I say Glyssie, I know who I am as a man. I don't care about none of that shit. None of that shit bother me, man. Certain shit just don't sound right, though, though. Like, I feel you, like, I know you older. This thing is saying I'm dealing with the Paul's gang,

the Paul's police and all the other shit, but, like, that certain stuff don't sound right. Certain shit sounds crazy, y'all. Sounds unbelievable. The flag. Stay out. Yeah, yeah. You're out. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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A boss crazy? No, no, no, no. Never, never. So I remember I was like in a weird spot in my career, like, trying to figure out how I'm feeling like, because the whole time when I was Youngberg, I was producing all my records, too. Like, people don't know that. But I was like, man, I was in a weird spot.

Rico Love was on Fuego at the time. And so Rico Love, I hit him on Twitter in a DM and he like, yo, come meet me at the London Hotel in L.A. I'm in L.A. I went up to the London Hotel, and we having breakfast. And, like, he on big boy shit. Three phones going, jumping at the same time. Remind me of me right now. I'm like, golly. Like, this nigga's insane. So as we eating breakfast, I thought this was like a super, like, wild move, not like that. But he was like, yo, what do you think about changing your name? And I'm like, huh? I'm like, nigga, I'm a young brother. I'm more famous than Rico Love. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he said that to me. And I was like, maybe I'll consider that.

He's like, yo, come to Miami and he works out the room I work out of now in Circle House. He's like, yo, come to Miami just vibe with me for a little bit. I came down there. So I walk in the Circle House and I think Joe and Rico

are doing a record called Aloha, some shit like that or whatever. The nigger Rico Love said, Fat Joe, he said, Joe, meet my friend Christian. Joe said, Nick that's Youngberg. Who the fuck is Christian?

I'm like, yo, but like, that was the evolving. And Rico Love was actually the person who made me change That's my name, a hitmaker. That's it. Wow, that's ill. You know, Rico's my brother.

Still love him to this day. He was a little arrogant at that time. He was? Yeah, yeah. He was like cocky as, like, you know, I walk out the room with artists and they be like, yo, this thing is cocky. Like, yo, but he's going to give you the hit.

You know, my shit, it reminds me of, well, Rico love, my brother. I love you, man. God bless. It reminds me in a night we cut, yes. We had the song, but you just, you came in the studio. This guy was so drunk, bro.

Listen to me, man. And he made it in the way he was chopping it up, this, this, this. So everybody came out. I was like, yo, Joe, the guy spilling champagne on the board. The boards cost a half a million. Yes, sir. He's spilling champagne. He out of control.

This, this. I see, yo, listen. He's a hit maker. Let this man do what he did. The motherfucker you, that night you was on your. Rick James shit. Yeah. For real.

And I was just like telling everybody, yo, just let him do what he got to do. Sure enough, that was the last hit I dropped. Yes, we got a plaque for that shit. And it was Cool and Dre Studio and you are loyal to Cool and Dre. So the fact that you even let me touch the record while we was there was like a real thing. And I was wilder than Cool and Dre Studio too. No, no. I'm not going to lie to you.

You're one guy that didn't grow up with us. that he is T.S. By the way. He's protected by the almighty. I'm going to be honest with you. He wasn't came. Why you want me to do? He never made it to D.S.

Without two hours. Ooh. Thank you. Okay. What I'm saying is T.S. T.S. No how to hate on each other. They never hate on this guy.

Every time I'm working on a process, he's at, yo, Jerry, I'd be like, yo, you saw a hit maker. I swear to God. There's other producers that I'm cool with and all that. They'd be like, yo, Joe, we do that. Yo, Joe, we this, this, this. They never devalue. They always like, yo, go see that guy.

He started off getting into the hate. I think right now it's undeniable. They can't do that. He stands in, they know when you come from seeing him, the next stop is the charge. You got to spit the right shit to it. You got to do everything. Oh, no, yeah.

You can't just go there and not know how to do nothing in asking for it. You just go have a knocking beat with a great hook with nothing on. You know, knee rapists told me, yo. All I got to do is go see hit me. I say, I swear to God, I've heard this out the mouth. Y'all going to see hitmaker. Like, man, you better put that pain in. You better make sure that pen is right.

You better make sure you appreciate what you got. You know, somebody has seen you work with who I love and I've watched her career from day one. She's from the Bronx, too. I think she could be a superstar's Dream Dog. Wow. Shout out to Dream. She could be a superstar. I've been waiting for it.

Well, I signed Dream Dog, cats out of the bag or whatever. Yeah? Yeah. We got a new project that's done. It's completed. We dropping an EP first. So we dropping an EP first, top of the year. And when I tell you, my brother,

she's better than a lot of these girls. Like this music that we have, oh my God. And she has crazy features. The work is done. Projects done. And I brought back the nostalgia. Like for the EP, we got some shit.

I put Clue all over it. Cluminati! Like, it's like on some real New York shit. I flipped all the right New York records. Trust me, my brother, she's out of him. She's gone. That's what she needed them. Because I've watched the career.

I didn't even understand it. Like I watched her career the whole term. You know, this girl should be number one. And it's all a matter of linking up with the right producer who got the passion at the right time. I've seen it in your studio. I was like, all right, he's giving us some shit. Now she got to deliver.

That's it. You say she delivered. She's overly delivered. I ain't a producer no more. I'm a professional life changer. And that's really what I'm not going by. There's too many producers out there. So when you come see me.

You're going to own me a gift to stop, man. I'm saying, brother, I want me to sound. You know when the dog comes to. Let me take this off you. Nah, we're making it sound like you get, nigger, like, I need to be seeing what's in the pot over there because the man talking to me. You know what's beautiful? It's only an ox quarter way. Tell all my friends.

I like gifts. Tell them all. I love it. I got the gifts, man. You're your iced out Diet Pepsi. Yo. You, O-Zimpic a Diet Pepsi this shit for Halloween? OZempic.

No, I'm Ozempic every Halloween. I'm Ozempic. I might go with Govy. You know what? I got a problem. I'm going to talk about this because we're talking about the world. It's nuts, though. They announced, right?

I'm in L.A. They announced that Costco, listen clear, guys, because we are the voice of the streets and the culture. Costco now sells OZMPIC half the price to anybody who don't have insurance. Oh, wow. Over the counter? This is not true. I went to the Costco in L.A.

to buy some OZEPA because I left my shit back in Jersey and they said that's few places out the curtain there's some bullshit it was all over CNN all over the news

all over Costco is selling OZempic half price over the counter you don't even need insurance I walked into Costco LA y'all saw me they didn't have it

they didn't they was like no you need a prescription no we don't do that in this Costco that's false average Advertisement, guys. Get on your shit. That was your sound like you.

I get some. No, I had to come back home and freshen up. Yo, he said he ain't wanted to step-door Osimpic. He ain't want the three fat joes? You want the three fat joes or you want the one fat joke? Another thing I do as soon as I go out the country

because over here, Ozempic, costs 1,200. Whoa. Right? With insurance. and everything. When I go to Dubai, Santa Domingo, whatever,

it costs $320. That's the wildest shit. How could an American product cost... You could buy this... The domingo and all of them shit. Yeah, B, I buy it. You shouldn't be back at a $5,000 worth for Ozempic. I'm not selling it, guys.

It's for me. And whoever needs it? Somebody ran out of Ozempic. They come to my house. We taught some of a monster fly. Yo, bro. I'm surprised the O-Zempic... I like to keep everybody sturdy.

The O-Zimpic should stop the glitties, though, but, but, brigger, bro. Like, the O-Zimpy... How are you still got the craving for glit? And you're on a Zimpy. What I'm trying to tell you. They got to make... Levels to shit.

Okay. There's levels to it, man. It's levels to it. But what I'm saying is, you know, you got... I am Ozimic for Halloween. Once again, you know, that's my outfit. What does it do, though? It just make you not want to eat as much?

First of all, I have diabetes. Okay. But I've had it since I'm 12 years old. Okay. Right? So now I've been taking insulin for many, many years. Insulin, you know, you take it daily and, you know, your pancreas, if we want to get technical, don't let out enough to cover your sugar. So you need insulin to make sure, you know, what they invent.

of the O-Zemping that does it once a week. You don't have to take that shit. That was pretty horrible. Taking insulin twice a day, right? And that's the only way to regulate the sugar. Otherwise, you die. So a lot of people that we see that just die, they don't admit to themselves that they're diabetic

and they don't take the medicine. As sooner or later, that shit gets real, and they find no kind of kidney failure distances, whatever. OZempic regulates that shit like a computer all week long. So if you eat too much, it'll bring down to the normal sugar. If you eat too less, it'll bring it to the normal sugar.

It's insane. Oh, shit. The technology in Ozempic, I'm not going to lie to you, is AI type shit. It's insane. We've been waiting for that. And so it's also the side effect of Ozempic

is you lose weight. I don't think they made it. They made it for diabetes. But it curbs your appetite to where you lose weight. So a lot of people started taking it for diabetes and then, you know, you got the sexy women

want to stay sexy? They're like, whack. Whack? They hit their shit. This shit ain't even the needle. It's the smaller shit. And you could be scared of needles. And still, this shit ain't nothing.

Boom, you good for the week. You don't know how many people, like I said, when they come to my house, they can get a bottle of Camus, Opus 1, or a month's supply of old Zemphic on side. Whatever y'all want to do. You know what I'm saying? They came to my house yesterday.

So you know my wife her best friend, Mary J. Blime? Fair, that's course. All of them, they come. I call them the four muscatados. Yesterday I'm home all day. They came in about 9.30. I thought they was about to start drinking,

turning up the music to 4 in the morning. I'm sitting there like that. They must have seen grumpy jove. It was like, all right. We out. We're out of here. We're going to the next stop. I was like, this time I'm not telling stories.

I'm sitting on the couch like, I don't know if I want to do this tonight, four in the morning. My walls also. Shout out of the tally. My house is pretty spectacular, but the one complaint I would have, if I built my house from scratch,

if I had to build another house, I'd make... I didn't say nothing. I'll make the wall sticker. Like, you know, straight concrete. where you can't hear shit in every room. Right.

Sometimes they torture me. We got the super system around every room in the house. And they start, I want to thank you. That shit about 4 in the morning. I'm sitting up there like there. I got to take a flight 6 in the morning. I'm tired as fuck like this. It's just me and the dog.

You know, the dog's the best friend. Males best friend. That's Bismarkey? That's the dog? Bismarck died. Damn. We got a dog called Bear. Barrington.

And you had this dog called Bismarcky? Yeah, Bismarkey. And so we got him for my daughter. He wanted a dog Bismarkey. Because that's one of my favorite. Well, anyway, the way I got it was my daughter, I never forget. My daughter was like three years old. And I bought her the dog and I said, baby, what's his name?

And she said, you know like your friend, silly, Bismarkey. So she named the dog. As he named him Bismarkey. And at that time, Biz Marquis was popping on the cartoon network. Yo Gabba Gabbled. He was your gabber to her. She was like, like your friend, silly, Bismarkey. Shout out to Bismarkey, another super producer.

Bismarck is a going off. Biz was crazy out there. What's some new projects that you're working on? Whose life you're changing now? Everybody. Oh, I'm sad. On Friday. On Friday, Todd Ellison's new album drop,

I got probably like four or five records on there. On Friday, my artist, Ronnie, who's sitting over there, his project comes out, it's called, Let Me Explain. He's amazing. This guy's like... You know, you do a little bit. Yo, you know, like the Spin King family, right? You look like them, right?

He's from Long Island. I know they be talking crazy about Long Island. I don't know why, yeah. We big them up here. But the guy's amazing. and he's an incredible writer just someone that I linked up with and he's a credible artist

and man we've been working together for a year he's won a Grammy already professional life changer top 10 records he's on everybody shit you know how long this nigga been making records there's just a link with a nigga

and you get a Grammy off of you not even 12 months that's crazy you got to lock in you know I mean Chris Brown Todd Dollar sign all my people that I'm that I'm building up with Tink Ronnie Toyyan

everybody that's in house. And then as far as just like everybody that I'm working with, I mean, whoever got an album coming out, I'm on it for the rest of the year. I said a week ago, 50 songs was coming out before the end of the year. Seven came out on Friday, 21 will come out and then we'll press it again next Friday. You know I need that pain. Damn, I got you. No, no, but I'm working a new album with no hits. Wait, what? With no hits. No compendee. Just pain. Just thaws. You got to give me that. Oh, I want you want you back. I got it. shit like that.

You know what I'm saying? Just that straight. I just want to come. I just need one hit and my son need one. I got the one with Leon Thomas where you already on deck. And then Jay Wine you, I told him to come Miami already. There's no more. I'm out of me.

This show has become a solicit. This guy, he might as well be called Pistu B. Anybody come sit on that couch. He's like, yo, you gave what a hit. It's fine time This is Jay to Kiss I'm using this job To do my other job

Most definitely Me and Kiss had a hit With this record called Needs your best Feetron Tide Dollar Sign 2 DevCham Drop the ball COVID fucked it up

But I ain't worried Because I already When I come When I get next to you And this is my brother The brain is you're a genius You want to know what happened to me You know I was signed to a record label

I put out a record than I thought, I didn't think. So similar to you, I'm not a producer, but I make hits. Oh, we know. Monsters. And so the way I was taught was like, yo, Joe, you're getting a one-shot deal. If it ain't a hit, you ain't going to the next single, you ain't this, this, they kept the real with that. So I trained my ears to almost think like a program director that I knew this was going to play all day.

Long story short, I did a song with Young Jeasy. slow down, son, you're killing them. With the sample. Get here. Ha, ha. That was the shit. There's another way you know. Played it one time, everybody in their mother who had my number call me.

A Mike Kaiser, this one. Welcome back, Joe. Like, they was giving me the, this was already a number one. Like, they heard it one time on the radio. It was like, that's when they call you. Yeah, Joe, this is. They felt like it was a lean back. The shit ain't do shit, right?

We shot the video, Harlem, Diddy on the... He was on the hood of the fucking Rose Roy. We went crazy. And I say, you know what? It's the last time I'm going to sit at a desk looking at some so-called boss asking them if they put... Did you press the button?

Did you put money? I knew they didn't put money behind that because that shit would have been out of here. That's when I took power into my own hand and said from now on I'm independent. Yes. And I put up my own money. and I pay for my videos

I pay for my radio I pay for my samples I pay for everything and I win I never been off the green I never not won in my whole career now I got records

on Atlantic Records where I sold two million albums and still old damn I got albums I put out a hundred thousand shout out to Ghazi

you changed my life Empire Records I got albums I put out sold 100 100,000 and I made 3, 4 million on that shit. So that is the one record that got me. I will never forget. I'm actually embarrassed to myself for sitting on the other side of the desk

begging these dudes, is they going to promote my record? Is they going to spend money? Damn well, they was. I invested in myself. I never took it out. Thank God. Can I ask you a question? This is a money conversation because you've said independent, right?

how much are you spending on these videos because you have the most extravagant videos when y'all did Family Ties album you know these niggas shut down Rest in Peace, Irv Gotti, they shut down club live. I'm like, how expensive is this? And it wasn't like early daytime. It was like night time.

And they had the whole club live. This is for you. Okay, so you can hear me out. Because if you feel like you're in a situation with Def Jam, that they don't really give a fuck about you, or they got new people, what? Just saying. You are Jada kiss.

You are the brand. You are hit maker. I am Fat Joe. James is a customer of hip hop. He does not look if I'm on Buzzbee Records, a Juan Tala Bella LLC. He's buying the new Fat Joe album. Right. This is where we got to get that fucked up.

Right. Like that, they think that it's a label that sold something? No. Now I understood that. And I said, I'm going independent. And one thing I really got to do is make sure that the Fat Joe image stays up.

So you're correct. I spend $400,000 on video. She shut down the live, the ceiling come down, the fucking mansions that this, because you have to look like nothing changed. That was my whole philosophy. You know, niggas, they go independent.

They start shooting in front of the bodega and the baseball park and it's over. This man went from a million dollar video. the crack-air videos, they know something's wrong here. You got to act like the pure still there. The cut is there. I understood that,

and I pray to God, then I made the right choice for investing in my career. You did. You know, and so that was the whole point. For me, we're going independent, making sure, you know, I looked at a video the other day.

I'd see. And shout out to Irv Gotti, rest of days. Because, you know, he was such a genius at doing what you do. Mm-hmm. He was a genius. One of my idols.

And this guy, he was my go-to for the video. And Irving, nothing cheap was $300,000, $400,000. He'd be in the fucking, the day of the video, he'd be like, need another hundred, Joe. They charging for this and this and that. Earth don't know cheap. And he'd think like everybody. He was burning a budget.

Oh. Well, it was me. It ain't nobody. It was no budget. It was number one. So I got to pay this shit. Hey there. I'm Kyle McLaughlin.

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You stuck with me for life. Listen to the Crying Wolf podcast, starting on October 22nd, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Man, I watched this video I got called Deep the other day. I didn't remember that one. That shit was crazy. I just felt like, yo, let me watch that deep.

Let's look at the video you was in a swimming pool with the mink. Oh, that's the, uh, we talking, yeah. Tugging. Man, you get in a pool with a mink. We was blowing money fast. You see this man, how many diamonds he got? God, he don't give a fuck. He's at that level.

You know what I'm saying? When you feel like you number one, you know what? You know how number one that record was? Let me tell you some, R. Kelly only rocked before that with Biggie. Damn. Not Jay-Z yet. When I caught that feature, I want to say maybe Nas when he had that shit in Chicago, that was incredible. But nobody.

He was number one. He was the greatest thing ever created in the history of mankind. We did that song together. There is no doubt in my mind I had a smoker. It was unbelievable. I couldn't believe the man even knew who I was.

He was like, yo, fat Joe, what's up? That's rock. I thought he was full. And at that time, I was really, the guns was rusty. I was really in them streets heavy. And I was like, you're my man, do me a favor.

Don't lie to me. Let's say you're doing a record with me and I'm coming down. Nah, no, no, Joe, come. The point is the man gave me here. Never forget, you know, we started Memorial Weekend in Miami Beach, started it. I was the promoter. If y'all didn't know, Jada Kiss and Cameo, ask him, club mansion. I had everybody, Young Jeezy Club Mansion fabulous in this.

I was the promoter. Right. Fat Joe was the promoter. Shout out Butterfewko. I threw every year, Memorial Week, and I threw a Terror Squad pool party. Those was crazy. One day, all of them was mine.

You didn't know. So I threw a Fat Joe pool party. I never forget. Cam was there, Fab was there, AI was there. We threw the Illest Pool Party. And I told the DJ Press Play. And that shit came on, woo, ooh.

And, man, we dug and rolling on doves. And I look at every rapper's face. And that shit said, Fat Joe when I'm out of the game They don't You was there That shit came They rang on

I was dead You know what that was like That title Wave I was like HASS Like you get When you throw in that dice

And you throw them trips I was there I looked at every rapper's face And they said Holy shit Because before that I was underground Right

So they was like Holy shit This guy made one of these, and they ain't know what's love was coming right after that. And that my lifestyle paralyzed the streets, I got you on that remakes. So, you know, people try to forget

when dudes has shit paralyzed out here in these streets. This shit been, it's a couple of times that Joe had the game paralyzed. That leaned back, I stood in the club, and I'm looking at Fab on the couch. And kid me not, they played that shit about 30 times in the road, no other record.

Bam, pan, pan, pan, pan. And I'm looking at Fab, and Fab looking at me like, Jesus Christ. They gave him one of those. Speaking of Fab, tell him to drop the record with Bryce and Tiller. That's another professional life changer.

Bryce and Tiller, just 15 million, his first single. Don't. Unbelievable. He didn't look at the record for R&B. Unbelievable. If God don't even want to take a picture, huh?

Now, don't. No, not don't. He wrote one on the last album with me. You know, I was there when he wrote that. You know, my man Rich the Barber. I discovered him. I was there. Like, I've seen the process.

So, but he sold 15 million. That's unbelievable. On that one song, he broke a record or whatever the case may be. The thing I don't understand is you, you work on your shit. You come in town, yo, let me do the number one podcast. This guy doesn't want to, he's like almost. That kind of helps him. That helps him like.

That helps him, right? That helps his mistake. So, I mean, it works for some people. He might be the last guy with the Sikh, right? Nick, if I sell 15 million on my first thing, well, I might not want to talk to nobody either. I was surprised the nigga talked to me and he giving me features.

What the fuck? You know what's crazy is, man? I watch his come up. Mm-hmm. Literally from the infancy. How about he never changed on me, man? The guy's the same guy. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And when we did that record, oh, my God, I had a- Damn, I did. Yeah, I don't think we, I don't think nobody could ever get Bryce and Tiller on a 24-hour radius. I got him like, yo, I'm putting this out tomorrow. And I need the verse. And this guy, he don't want to, he went in there and did it for me.

What's that hands on you, right? That's a mean joint, bro. I ain't going to lie. You was drunk at that video, too. I had to be. We were at Lutter. I got to save you every time. We was at live.

What I was going to be so. I was supposed to be sober and live. Do you know how many times I told dudes how many times, and I'm not saying that, but how many times you said some crazy shit and dudes and I say, yo, you're with us. And they like, oh, Joe, I know, I know. I said, nah, you.

I'm under that umbrella for real. You know, the craziest shit is when you got some, not you, I've had a situation where somebody came to me to tell me how he was going to do something to one of the global ambassadors under the year umbrella. And this guy's a serious guy. Like this guy who's telling me this

is a serious guy. Once he finishes, I tell him, well, what you want me to do? He with us. Do. I watched this guy's eyes open up like a fucking raccoon. He looked at me. He said, huh?

I said, he with us. What you're going to do, man? I got a real question. Can I ask a real question? What is the stylist budget for this shit? You know what I'm saying? Because I know, Terrell is he putting these things? Because y'all niggins are snapping.

He's got Danny and he do. There's a new watch on this man wrist almost every episode. You too as well. Like, it was a watch match the fit, match the whip, match the bars. It was like, it's one of them, bro. You get out of control. Yo, Jada, how are you keeping up the budget that did? Because it ain't what we're,

making on the show. We just said... Spending more. We're spending more than we make on the show. It's like we're going to put our foot in their ass out there because if you... I'm like you. Y'all hit making.

If you had a podcast, it's like, y'all hit. We get an opportunity to shit on dudes every day. Gvon Cheat. You know what I'm saying? Gucci shit, watches. You know, fucking Kobe's shit. You ain't see these shit in 20 years. I get to talk shit.

Wow. come up in here, shit on these dudes every day. It's unbelievable. It's refreshing. See, you're a real one for noticing that. Noticing. They're noticing, but they know what. They hate them.

Well, they better hate some more. Bro. Y'all just told them it's getting chilly out here. I just told. Jacket season, yeah, better. You come and shit chill out of the kids. You come and minked up. Augley.

Oh, you know, listen. Augley. There's four seasons, baby. I dare you, niggins. I dare you niggins try to stunt. It's four seasons. I dare you. It's going to be times I come on this podcast.

There's going to be unconsciousable. Just enjoy it. That's a flat. Unconsciousable is a flag. Yeah, what was that? Meaning. We got the meaning to. I'm dumbing out.

I'm coming up in there with shit that you never seen in your life when you want a fur. There's two difference from rabbit fur and a sable. No. There's difference from a lot of these rappers is wearing. Listen, a lot of rappers out here is wearing. You got to study the object. You better study the blueprint. I am not fucking playing with you.

So this ain't no Daniel's leather shit, right? This is different shit. No, no, no. I fuck with Dan. Yeah, I fuck with Danes. Shout out the day. The beautiful guy. I live first.

Daniel. Isn't even that leavens is. It's level said Daniel. No, I got to be, yeah, it's level. Yeah, niggins go to div. I'm going by the pink and black chinchilla from him. I'll fuck with Daniel's love. Pink and black chinchilla?

Yes. Jesus. You seen last year I went like an asshole to the game. Oh, I do remember that. Fur hat to max it, pink chinchilla. I went like a asshole to the game. Adam Sandler was looking like, yo, fuck is wrong with this mermaid. I'll come up in there asshole.

Yo, he's making you ain't the only assholes. in the gallery. I learned from the best clip of the shit. I grew up in there with the shit I went to Switzerland I said yo

I said yo you know remember they started wearing the asshole hats last year okay whatever them

hats is what is them hats the snow hats I see yo I call them asshole hat

because they asshole hats they like you know you're acting up right so I said you know Dan you lover

I was in Switzerland and I seen what was going on I said remember that pink chinch and chill our boy from me. He said, yeah, by the way, shout out my sister, Stephanie Mills, the living legend.

Her shit going, you know, we went viral with that clip. You see me hit him with the motherfucking Eurole. Aida, Eurole shit, two times, sit around with that Louis shit. That shit was pain. Pink. I don't, how much y'all want me to do, right, but God. So I got Stephanie Mills, one of them chinchillas, too, the pink and black shit. Just because I love her.

Oh, wow. Because of what she do for the. the game. So I turned around. I got the jacket. And I said, yo, you see these asshole hats they wearing or cinema Daniels? Navarice's yes, yo. I said, can you make them into pink and black chinchilla? I went to the Knicks game. Straight asshole. You know how much courage you got to have the walk and see what's my man from our back to the future? Michael J. Fox. Michael J. Fox and tap him and be like, yo, what's up? With the asshole shit on? I've been. I've been. killing you niggas in the fashion game.

I've been slaying you. We are not the same. If you're wearing a free Def Jam t-shirt with some shit, oh, I know how to put... Bull shit. I've been killing you niggins in the game. Destroying y'all on every

fucking level. Now... If you're a hard worker... They're fatphobic, huh? If you're a hard worker... Yeah, that's it. If you're a hard worker... Right? If you're a hard worker...

And you can't afford some of the expensive shit and you go to Zara and all that, I'm saluting. Respect. I see some guys that I knew from the Rucker days that I went to Queen of Harlem shit and they still got a nice sweatshoe on, some clean sneakers, nice roly.

I respect you and salute you. I'm not trying to play you because I might have a little more money than you, but I'm talking about whoever think. They're lying. You know, every time they come up, yo, by the way, Fad Joe kind of fresh, This Boatig, this Navy Blue G. Vaughan Chee with the fucking watch the match. I am knocking you guys silly.

Like, lie to yourself if you want. I don't know why they don't want to like, this is a no-brainer the way I'm shitting on them. The Knicks got a game against Cleveland, don't come. If you enter your fashion shit. Oh, shit. If you enter your, there's a police couple. But if you enter your fashion. of shit, don't come.

It's going to be unconscious. Oh, the fit already laid out. Fit disrespectful. It's actually my wife is mad at me because it's on the dinner, the fine dinner table, the jacket, the jeans is there, the boots is there.

It's waiting for you. Mary Jay came in my house yesterday. She's seen that shit. She said, damn, Joe. What you, I said, listen, Mary. Listen, Mary. I said this, I have problem. I got, yo, I said, listen, Mary.

Listen, I grew up shit poor. I watched my mother at welfare asking the people from Section 8 to please give her some money so she could feed her kids. Sneakers, them shits came three years after they resisted. You cannot tell me nothing about rice and eggs for dinner. I had to wipe my ass with newspaper, throw it under the water. When it was too hot outside, we sleep on the floor because we had no AC. don't tell me about this poor shit

ever in your fucking life and you niggins laughed at me and that's why I give you the pain that's why you caught the vapors and you and let me tell you something you're gonna catch this shit till I'm in the casket most deaf and guess what I'm gonna leave enough money for my family

to finish it off you're gonna keep tech they're gonna keep now your daughter's stepper too listen she's gonna pass it down Listen, it's going to be pain out here in these streets with these carter genus till the last one because we're not playing with y'all, man.

They try to, you know, they try to write us off. They try to finish us. You know how many times I had to come back? I've seen somebody who said this over there I think was Swiss. He said, you're not official till you make it

and fall off five times and then come back and that's the guys we rate. I respect that. How many times that happened to us? For sure. Let me tell you something. I got a $10 million deal.

Shout out, Rieff, too low that we're talking to. It's unbelievable, right? I went to the bank. You want some asshole shit? Please. I went to the bank every single day for $50,000 cash. Have 50 guys with me, 30 of them have paid for white Cadillac trucks, everybody, T,S, state, lobster, champagne every day.

This, this, this, this, this, this, disgusting. They've been seeing this movie since I'm 14 in Maykow here in New York. They are not confused. They know we've been doing this shit forever, right? I go in the bank on 161 by Yankee Stadium one day and go up in a, hey, Mr. Joe. Say, hey, what's up with y'all, I need 50 cash. Something's wrong with the computer or something, Mr. Joe, because it's no money in here. Oh, shit.

I walked out that bank. Like I had a fucking hole in my head Like a dolphin My shit was going I don't know if you ever heard that You never heard the ringing I was knocked out without the punch I walked out of that shit

I said We got no money Like so I'm thinking It just can't run out To me $10 million I'm thinking it's like a fucking cloud From the sky in the bottle I walk out of there

I tell my guys are sick Anybody. And I'm sorry, guys, because I did some foul shit. Anybody owe us a dollar. You lift them up upside down. And we did it. Swear to God.

We did it to friends of ours. Guys who were our friends who owed me $10,015, we lift them upside down to see, yo, niggas was calling me like, yo, Joe, they could have just asked me. Why you got me dragging them? They dragging me out the restaurant butt naked in front of everybody. This, Joe, just ask me, I know I owe you 10 grand.

Man, the next day I have maybe $250,000. Oh, shit. You know, from people who owe me, but then I had to, you know, when you come back from having nothing, this is why you got to love God in the good and bad times. Because a lot of times, the ones that God loved the most, he'll put him through some shit so that you can name.

Man, I went on my knees. Talking about that album. I went on my knees. Big Pun just died. I was depressed. I'm like 500 pounds. My sister died. My grandfather.

Man, I pray so hard on my knees. I'm talking about on your knees. That's when it worked. That's when you go on your knees and you just. That's the good knees. Jesus. Let me show these guys, please. One more time.

And then he'd give me what's love. We dug in and we fuck up that bag too. I fucked up the bag about a good thing. How many hours you think you'd be fucked up over your whole career? Whoa. At least maybe up. Look, I don't want to gas. I don't know.

This is hard. Listen, it's a lot of money. But I want to say I never had it in one lump son. So I've never been like that. You know what I'm saying? So I might have. A hundred million or something But it was in different times

You was getting bags In all eras though That's what's so crazy Like the bag He's seen all the different money changes He's been around since The little head I was getting

At my time Flojo was number one in the country I was getting $500 this show Crackhead money So I would do yonkers White Plains Then some shit, Boston, come back.

Do Norfolk, Virginia, Fayetteville, North Carolina, D.C., come back. And one day, I'm picking up 15. Like, that's how ambitious I've been about this money since I was a kid. You know, so, you know, it's not going to stick. This is what we do.

That's amazing, bro. I'm addicted to the win, man. Man. Well, for me, it's like, I'm just as ambitious too because like I'm delusional because I go to the studio with nothing every day knowing that something's going to come from a vibe or energy or whatever I do like people creators we're the most delusional people that we're paying for the studio we're paying for the engineer we're paying when you go there with nothing with the hopes that at the end of the night

or the next day you're going to wake up and play something that was worth your time I think that we're the most delusional people in the game but like we do it because we love it so much you You know what I'm saying? Like, we've seen it happen. Like, I went to a studio and I had nothing and woke up with a number one or woke up with some different shit. So that's why I'm always, like, how are you saying, like, ambitious and betting on yourself? Like, I'm always doing that shit 24-7, bro.

We got to do that. That's fine. And we also got to invest businesses and be smart. Save your money, man. Yeah, whenever we ain't, you know, as hot or something or whatever the case may be, because, you know, somebody, they always come out with a new, TV. Like I always tell everybody

the biggest shit the biggest shit was to have a big TV remember the big TV did you have one of them shits the girl ain't want to leave your house

she wanted to stay she knew there was some type of money going on I hear niggas got the big TV and one day they woke up

and said flat screen one day it went from the phone to this so all I'm saying is we smart enough to see so many people like I tell you

I went broke times in my life like dead broke so we smart them up now to not go bro and invest in different businesses invest in different things but franchises if you could do what shack did and all that like just buy a bunch of franchises my new thing is and listen guys don't quote me literally but my new thing is i want to buy my son a franchise like i want to be like something so he won't keep asking me for money know what i'm saying so it'll be like yo Like some ways, take the Papa Johns, take a Dunkin' Donuts. That way, if you hustle like me, you're able to open two, three, four.

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Me neither. Like, beats, the red shit. You gotta throw something. You gotta mix beats with something. They make a good beet salad now, but when I was a kid, I used to cry to the liver, I literally fat Joe.

I ate everything you could think of. But when they would give me liver, I would cry. Like literally cry, my father would force me to eat liver, and I would cry. Like, I hated that shit. Like, literally,

I was a vacuum cleaner. Like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, flat. I used to sit down. Vacuum cleaner. And eat with my family, and my sisters were skinny. And they would pass me their steak or they chicken and shit. And I'm killing everything.

Fat Joey's eating everything. When that liver come out, they used to have to. I cry like a baby. Yeah, like I ain't want that liver And my father was trying to teach me Yo, we ain't rich We're going to eat whatever God gave us today You're going to eat this liver

And I'm like, oh, yeah, like Hated that shit. I hate liver, but I also hate And I always salute him But yo, he used to have a run. Yo, he used to have it. Remember there's still dudes outside Talking about when they had the Mazda R-X7.

What they used to do, yeah. Fuck out of it. Remember when I came around summer in 96 and I had the Lexus two daughters? Nah, Papito, this is for life. This money game is for life. That's why we work so hard, scared of falling off, scared of not being able to happen. And that's the true meaning of working and working and working

because you got to have it. What was the peak, like in both of y'all career? Like, the way I'm not career-wise, but just like on some music shit. Like, what was your, um, RICO love moment where you like, man, nobody's fucking with me. But what was your hit makeup moment? What was your moment to where you like, man, nobody? I feel like that.

Every day, I wake up in the morning. No, but in the game, I had a few of them. I had a nice, I had a few of them in the beginning. You know what I mean? In the middle. But when? What was the moment where you was just like, I'm that nigga, I'm JD Kiss?

For me, it's when he put the paper towel on his head. Like, you knew. like nobody was fucking with him. You know what I'm saying? Like, nigger went paper towel. This like knock yourself out. Yeah, that era was incredible too. Solo, Jada, first solo album was incredible.

I agree. For me, for me, it's always about the money. I want the hit. I want the fame and all that. But anytime I caught that super check, like that $10 million we're talking about, oh, you couldn't tell me. Shit.

He probably saw me. clubs and all that and was like this nigger is on cloud 10,000 because I had the army, you know what I'm saying? They just gave you the bread to make it complete. And so what's so crazy is

you know, I used to stick people up, two-time felon. Like, I did this. No, no, no. It's a difference between me. I hear a lot of rappers, yo, I was homeless. Yo, I was this. I don't know about that, bro. I stuck up. Whoever you

thought was the biggest, I lined them up. I hustled at this. I'm not the guy. I'm going to get the bag, right? So, when they give you the check and the guy who gives you a $10 million check takes the train

afterwards and said, bye fellas, gets on the train, and now you're like, yes, I got it. I feel sorry for anybody who knew me because I always think that I'm humble but I definitely was not humble at that time.

I definitely probably was walking past people I knew my whole life like, fuck out, you smash them. Like, you know, I'm, no, no. Yo, I'm telling you, I definitely was violating dudes on another, another, another level of excellent. You took a guy who was just a stone cold criminal,

dangerous, dealt with violence this whole life, and gave him 10 million. I'm walking in the club, smacking the shit out of kingpins, guys that are really killing people in the book. Huh? Yo, this is one. Nah, the whole cheekbone.

Get a fuck up, and then the whole club is right. Like, yo, did he just do that to the guys who be pulling up in Lamborghinis and Ferraris? And I was overdoing it. You gave the wrong person a bunch of money at the wrong time.

Yo. And did you feel like that? Twice. The most recent one is probably when I sold my catalog or whatever if we talk about, I sold a portion of my catalogs. We talked about it. Yeah, half of it. Who you did the deal with?

I was doing it with hypnosis and then the people well, Mike Karen came out of nowhere and was like, uh-uh, you ain't read the fine print. Mike Karen been fucking with you since day one, huh? Yo, Mike Karen signed me for like $20,000 in 2014.

Like, 2014, he signed me for $20,000. Unbelievable. At that moment, I look back at it and I don't hold no resentment to it because it's like I ain't had a hit stand so it might have looked

like a gamble at that moment but to where we at now it's like it's incredible my camera never fuck with Joe crack never ever

he came in Atlantic like after my run this guy watched what he did for flow riders he helped a lot of people for sure threw me a frisbee

never he never throw me a frisbee it's a lot of that you see so with me I try to tell everybody We did it all on our home, not meaning by myself individually, but our team. You see, we want to make some money with products.

We got Sorisa Rum. We got Rewinded 10, Kiss Cafe, because nobody. When I say nobody comes to me with a bag or, yo, I got these people. I got this. You know, when I say it's sad, it's a 30-year run of nobody coming to me with some money or some bag. I had to make it all on my home. If I want some sneakers, I got to make up an up in my seat. If I wanted this, I tell you, I had to invest in myself.

This, like, nobody has come with the bag for years. Let me give you another one. Maybe you haven't. I just want you to say true or not, right, true or false. At one time, not now, but at one time I felt like I was on such a run. that some of these labels could have came and tapped me on the shoulder and said, yo Joe, we want to make you president

of A&R, president of the label. Because at this time, I couldn't miss with the hits. Nobody tapped me on the shoulder. Even here, they got conversations with Rock Nation, salute, Des, and Jay. And they said, you know how many times your name came up to be president of Rock Nation? Nobody called.

I was waiting for the cold. No, I'm telling you facts. I can say anything. I'm just looking at this. Funny, funny you say that. So I'm actually going back into the building. I guess I could announce it here on Joe and Jada. I'm going back inside the building to work for a building.

Again, I took some time off because, of course, I think I did four years at Atlantic, and then I did two years with Empire. But when I moved to Miami and I sold my catalog, I kind of wanted to just like enjoy myself a little bit. Still, stay working. not be in the building because it was getting a little frustrating but it's because of

with Gazi and them being in San Francisco and me moving to Miami it was like a lot of disconnect or whatever and I lived in San Francisco for a lot of the time during COVID

up there with Gazi and them so when I moved in Miami it just kind of got a little weirded out so like I stepped back but now I'm going back inside the building I won't say where

but I think it's necessary and needed like because everybody wants to complain about no artist development, no this no that it's just because they don't respect the niggas that they want

to develop them. So when you get somebody like myself, and I'm encouraging every producer that's watching this shit right now, go inside the building, take that step and do what I'm about to do because one, it's not about job security. Did I sign it?

Yeah. Did you sign? Not yet. But I got multiple different offices, but I think I'm going to go with who I gave my word to. You know what I'm saying? And you're all men of your word.

Yeah, for sure. She'll salute to that person And also salute to New York, L.A., Gillian Wallow, whatever I just got them a major label deal as well, too, for his daughter. His daughter, Gilly's daughter name is New York, L.A. She's an artist.

I'm executive producing her album. She's the most incredible. Incredible. Incredible? Incredible. She's out of here. Let me use the bathroom before we felt. Close it out.

Say less. Today we're celebrating to you selling your catalog. Most definitely. selling over 350 million records and then some because you just started. Most definitely. Okay, what you got something to say, kiss?

You celebrating this new single? New Project Out Friday, let me explain. Folks and tell the people what's going on. Do you project, I'll go by the name of Ron E? You're here, a pleasure to be here. You got a special microphone this year. Yeah, yeah, I love that, I love that, love that. So Project Drop, let me explain.

I got my single, I was still on my mom, future in Fab. It's going crazy, going crazy. so yeah it's up let's toast a life let me explain this Friday

let's go my brother we live a life we live a life yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah baby you still on my mind Tad it up Wasteland What's got a tummy tuck New lace in

She's from the west end She a beach bay I need you cause I fly you with a heat play You want to wave bag Got me seasick I need you bad bag I'm never leaving She thinks she low so

Living fabulous We're on the same page I guess I guess I guess I guess I guess You only call me when you lonely girl I guess Shorty wasting me is toxic

complex hope that you're still going through it gave you the bag and you blew but i sparing back if you're getting to it because baby you're still on my mind baby you're still on my mind baby you still on my mind yeah you still on my mind yeah ain't forget you. You've been with me whole time. I just ain't been with you. When I see you, I'm gonna take the body language with you. And I'm gonna stroke you up and down. I'm gonna paint a picture. You ever had somebody living rim free in your head? I ever had a shorty living rent free for the head. Thinking about the balcony, we went deep on a ledge or that time that we turned to Ben Lee to a bed. Gotta see it or you actually won't believe it. Matt, I made a video but asked me

could you see it? You've been at a shot, but you actually gonna freak it. But I won't tell nobody you my nasty little secret. Yeah, you're still on my mind. Name came up on my iPhone, you still don't remind. Yeah, I still look at yours, do you still look at mine? Had to slide up in a DM like. Baby you still on my mind. Fab, let's go. Still looking fine, too.

Maybe you still are my mind. Yeah, I don't want me to play that bomb I was talking about, too, either. Save me. Don't do that to me. You don't give me something. I'm working. You know this phone. I'm working.

I got you, my brother. I got you. Yo, your man is incredible, man. His tone, everything about that. I love the breath. I like to sit it over, man. Oh, shit. Y'all just want to jump on that.

And he did. Salute the kiss. He jumped on this record. I don't know if I'm announcing it before her. But Angela Simmons, she got her. She got a record that's about to come out featuring Jada Kid's video done in the bag and all that. And it's going to be very surprising for the... Baby this is still on my mind.

That's shit. Well, let me tell you something about music, man. It's just so much from the heart and the soul. And even me, man, I'll be like, you know, one of my favorite artists of all time is baby face. Me too. And when I listen to that shit, he said, tell me where? Where will you go? Tell me who?

It's just, you know, you've been going. It's electrified. You go through some shit in your life where the music relate. Like somebody met some chick. He ain't talked to her no more. He's like, baby, you're still on my mind. And he's like, damn, I wish I had another. You know what I'm saying?

He ain't leave. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracky kiss. Make some noise for our guests. Today, Youngberg. Hit maker.

Hit backers. You know what I mean? Oh, shit. You got a nigger. Let me tell you. I love you, brother, man. You know, I went out the role. Life change.

That shit sounds disliked. That's me saying. I don't know how to hell. The life change. I thought somebody played the racket. Let me tell you something. He don't got to go. He would us.

I'm with Josh, Josh. Talk to them. Publish this man All right, but he went on Yeah, but look, but look, let me say something that no producer ain't done since oh, we're talking about runs and shit like that. I still got the record for a young

nigger, because I don't think like maybe for real or somebody else did it. If there's Urban Radio, top 40 songs at Urban Radio, at one moment, I had 13 of the 40. So I don't know what percentage that is, but I don't know no nigga that I hogged up

that type of lane in this time in the last 10 years. But, So, salute. Sulu. Talk about it. And we're going to end it with that. You know what I mean? Till you top that, you young motherfucket?

I knew it was another glow. You said you sold your catalog. I knew there was something special about that glove. No, I knew it was another glow. Yeah, when I moved it by head. That man caught that. When you bring out the whistle, whew!

That man, uh... Yo, Joe. These joints I got for y'all These joints I got for y'all, they roles were a spectra of music. I'm coming. That's where I play in my spectra when I'm about to get y'all. No cap.

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