Joe and Jada - Ice-T CONFIRMS Fat Joe’s Bronx stories + talks gangsta rap origins, N.W.A., ’Law & Order: SVU’ & NEW ALBUM ‘Criminal Migraine’

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by gangsta rap pioneer Ice-T, who wastes no time in confirming the story Joe told on a recent podcast about seeing Ice-T in the Bronx around the time of the Larry Davis incident (except for Joe's memory of his hairdo at the time). The Los Angeles legend breaks down the origins of gangsta rap with Schoolly D, N.W.A., and himself solidifying the genre, his iconic character on 'Law & Order: SVU,' why Rakim, Melly Mel, and Chuck D are his top hip hop inspirations, and how Killer Mike and Clipse's recent critical acclaim motivated him to get back in the booth for his new album 'Criminal Migraine.' Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX Merch is here: https://joeandjadashow.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're hired to fill the space with you. Listen to Joy 101 with Hodaqq. Kotby on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. They coined the term gangster rap, Jada Kiss, after Cube, because when Cube said, straight out of Compton,

crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube, from the gang called niggas with attitude. So the press said, this is gangster rap. So I'm like, okay, then I'm the original gangster. And that's what OG came from.

You want a history lesson That's how we go Yeah, yeah, what up? Y'all, this is Joe Crack, the Dawn. You know who it is, your boy Jada. The Joe and Jada show Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we just, what we're doing

and y'all is unfit. Obliviatins. Not even right. I'm sorry. Niggas stuck in the, what we used to call a tape Back in the day, Jazzy J. Studio, This podcast in the analog stage right now, B, we're in the AI.

We got them niggas. Hemispheres away. They're looking bad out there, man. Flabby and sick. If I was dumb, I'll probably give up. I'm going to be honest with you. They're looking like a hospice right now. When you think of today's guests, legendary and iconic is an understatement.

Be clear. When you think about today's guests, you've got to think about, real hip-hop foundation. You got to think about the foundation of hip-hop. You heard, listen to that. You know what I mean? You got to think about somebody who helped define what hardcore rap sounds like. Somebody who brought street reality into the music and never watered it down.

We're talking about a West Coast pioneer, a cultural disruptor, a man. who change rap, change television, change the conversation. From Ron pays the power, from six in the morning to body count, from rap icon

to one of the most recognizable faces on television. I think you changed the law too, right? Still active, still outspoken, still moving on his own terms. legend innovative original voice ladies and gentlemen

ice tea is in the bill hey thank you Jay to kiss Joe I'm out of here I can't outdo that oh you would have made history the first guest to leave after the legendary intro the intro is too crazy

I need that on a record I got it everybody says when they cut You got that. You know, Ice, let me just get right to what I've just been talking about. Thank you for coming on the show. Definitely. Because you definitely a superhero in the world of hip hop.

I want to know what is your, like, you had cousins in the Bronx. McBenzio, Benzo's right here. We're going to go into that. But I've seen you in the Bronx when Larry Davis was on the run. I'm trying to understand what was your direct connection being all away from L.A. I remember the first time I ever went to L.A. I felt like I was in a whole other country. That's for us in the Bronx.

Going to Manhattan's a big deal. Going to fucking L.A.? How did you have such a family and you still got the Bronx with you? How did you have that connection day one? Okay, first off, the homie said, correct Joe. Cube had the Jerry curl. Yeah, you have to burn. Let's start there.

Let's start there with a short. But at the end of the day. No, what happened for me was I got connected to Africa Islam. There was a club in L.A. called the radio. And they would bring out groups from New York all the way to L.A., Co-Crush Brothers, Sol Sonic Force, Africa Islam, Gramix, the DXT, all these different people, rock steady crew.

They would perform in the radio. That was the club that they actually made the move. be breaking in. Okay. So I was wanting to be a rapper. I wanted to be, to me, you had to be accepted by New York to be a rapper because the West Coast had a very techno sound. I wanted to rap like y'all rap. You know, so you got to go to the Mecca. That's New York. So when I met Islam, Islam was very, they were, the New York rappers were intrigued with me because I was in the streets and I had things. I had a car, I had money. I had everything. And they were like, why do you want to rap? Because you already made it.

Right, because no one had bought a car yet, rapid. You know, running DMC was just starting to bubble. So I was like, I know what I'm doing. My days are numbered in low digits. Like, this is not going to work forever. My people I looked up to were going under. So I gravitated to Africa Islam, also Grandmaster Cavs. So I did the record six of the morning.

And out of all my records, Islam said they'll play this one out here in New York. You know, New York got a sound. So I was like, okay, you're going to get it's funny. He said, no, you have to come to New York. Because New York has no reference about L.A. niggas. They don't understand. New York thinks that they're the world. They don't believe there's anybody outside of New York that's hard, you know.

And so I came out here, but I had on my fila, I had my perm. You know, I was West Coast, fresh Kay Swiss. I had to hold up. So I was on 156 in 10 at Islam's house in the Bronx. I brought out a bunch of cats in L.A. And it happened to be a show at the Prospect Theater. I was there. And that was like two days after Larry Davis.

You was on the speaker talking, go, Larry, go. Well, what happened? I was like, yo, this shit is crazy. Ice T. But real talk. I did six in the morning, and New York thought six in the morning was about Larry David. Oh, my God.

Six in the morning, police at my door. That gave it a brand new viral. See, I work. And you was in the Bronx. Yeah, I was in the Bronx. But let me tell you, I learned about you, Fat Joe. I changed his name to Big Joe. From now on, you know, L.A., we like calling people big, homie, big this, big that.

That's not a longer Fat Joe. That's Big Joe. So Big Joe, so dig it. I can do that. I'm a rapper. I can change your name. But just say, just whenever you around me, we call you Big Joe. But anyway, I had signed.

Well, I never signed a rapper, but I could. connected Lord Finesse. Like all the people that I put on, I never had a record. I never signed Everlast. I never signed. I wasn't into signing people. I was into helping people.

So I saw Lord Finesse at the new music seminar. So he was, you know, punchlining and all that stuff, Big Al, all that. I was around during those times. And I said, you know, maybe in the street, Nick.

I'm like, who's really in the street in New York right now? And he said, Fat Joe. And he showed me a picture of you in a video. video. He said he's, he's active. Right. And then later on, I met you at the store with Brim. Yeah. What was the name of T-A-T? It was called Half-Time. Yeah, with the jackets. We had a store together. Yeah. And we started clothing line together to me and Brim. Shout out Brim. But ever since then, yeah, that was my connection to you. Like you say, you might not, you were just starting to rap at that time. Am I correct?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was the, well, I was one of the gangston niggians. that, say Jay DeKis when he first came out and he brought the whole hood. I was one of the guys that was staying behind Finesse and you knew that was poppy that was getting the money, the niggas ain't playing. That's how it started. Like I would be the nigger on stage

and you'd be like, yo, who the nigger with the 30 chains on and the dappadan? And they'd be like, yo, that's this man who gets busy. But through Finesse, he inspired, he changed my whole life, just watching him becoming an artist and let me believe that I could do it too. But at first I was just their gangster friend

that would show up at all the shows and start fights at all the shit and beat people up, do all that kind of shit where they'd be like, yo, we can't really bring fat Joe no more. This nigga want to start shit. I went to Jimmy's Cafe and I got a picture with you.

Before I took the picture, I had to walk to about 20 of your people. to get to you. And then me and you took the picture together. And that was when you was still big boy. You know, it was, it was, now, at that picture, were you rapping yet? Yeah, anything at Jimmy's Cafe, I was already fed Joe. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Mick. Yo, Mick, what was the license played on the bends? Ron Pace. This man was a direct. Mick is crazy, right? So it's amazing that you're still best friends all these years later. but he was like a direct line to you in the Bronx.

Like, his body count, he was acting like, Karras, one made it. Like, he'd come down the Bronx bumping body. He don't give a fuck. That nigga was all out iced teeth. Well, see, what happened was when I got to the Bronx, Islam was more of a stay-in-the-house type cat. You know, he's a producer.

And I wanted to go out. So, of course, he connected me to Mick. He connected me to Solidine. He connected me to Beyo. At that point... All my brothers. Right. So those were more gangster cats than Zulu.

I used to talk to Saladin's niece. Mm-hmm. My name was Keisha. Right. Try getting the speech from Soliding. Who looks like the Tasmania... He's not saying regular names. He's saying the fucking craziest things.

names you ever say. The craziest names you could ever say. And I'm talking to Geisha over there about Cretona Park. And then nigger sat me down one day and I said that, but he knew who Joe Crack was too. But he was like,

yo, you know this. I caught so many speeches from niggas, man. It was crazy. And I'm like, yo, this is solid Dean. And then certain guys had names at that time. We didn't have Instagram. Thank God, but they had names where like,

the name was like a myth. Like, you know, and then I'm like, all right, your uncle, Saul, yo, my uncle, Saladin, niggas, this, this, that. You know the guy who robs the banks, this? I said, yeah, I know Saladin, this, this, that. The niggas sat me down when they, yo, my knees, don't ever dish yourself.

I said, nah, I'm on it. She was a nice girl, too. But Saladin. Saladin looks like a Tasmanian devil. He's all muscles. just all muscle in the head. It's crazy. He the last nigga with muscle.

I told my man E-Class was up at the Jay-Z shit from Miami. I told LeBron James, yo, this is the last nigga with muscles. He classed out here like this. Swole like a motherfucker. LeBron started rolling around the floor. He started laughing. You already know when it's a real moment, you need a real bottle. That's why we rock with 1800 tequila.

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One. And then B-O. beyond the legend super duper legend my brother I met him crazy to showbiz

and we was just brothers and so there was never nothing I might be talking too much but there was never a Spanish guy that could plot

on BEO that I wouldn't hear it and we knew how to handle that and it was never a black guy who could plot on Fadjo like y'all I'm gonna get Fad Joe

without BIO hearing that. I think this is why we still alive for a long time because we had such a bond that if you get to talking anywhere, that shit was right back. Show biz and AG. Of course. Show biz A.G.

And I remember I felt really, really good because you put Finesse on that soundtrack. Now, we got Finesse a record deal. He got signed to giant records and did funky technician. So I had heard Finesse battling at the new music seminar.

And I never heard punch rhymes like that. I never heard, you know, all this stuff. And then getting the ride around with him. I'm a kind of guy, like, I know how I rap, but I love rappers, right? I love bars. So hanging out with him, Chino XL, all these cats. And me being older, they was right up under me. And I'm listening to how, I'm learning how they did it.

I never forget, I seen Lord Finesse. He's writing like the words that rhyme. Right? So, like, he wrote Pity. pity you. He wanted to rhyme utility belt. So he wrote pity you felt. So now I'm like, okay, these niggas is really tech. You do that like that?

No, not. Never did that like that. But, but Jada knows. There's all kinds of ways. Some people just write the words. Anyway, I was around all the great rap. Mickey was there. They showed me some one time that was the craziest shit.

What he showed you? He was younger. We writing the song, this is the early days when we hung out a lot. Now, you know, and you in there right into the beat. What you got, crack? What you got, kids? You say, you got an eight or a twet, whatever you got.

And I said whatever I had to miss him. Say it backwards. Like start, not like the end of it, but put the in first and put the first. And it was, I didn't, he showed. I never did that my life. It was kind of great. I didn't take it right then, but I always remember.

And he's like, yo, say that same thing, a switch. Say it like this. I'm like, I never thought about doing this, but that was I was fucking kind of jeans. But it's crazy when you get around really great rappers, because they all got a different technique. Me early when I did

Ryan Pace, I was in the studio with Grandmaster Cads and Melly Mel. And we were at Secret Sound and it was the first time I ever seen anyone write rhymes in the studio, like to the beat. Now, me being a new rapper, I'm writing on my raps first.

right? And then Caz was like, well, if you listen to the beat and write it, it'll flow better, right? Just that one jewel changed my whole rap together. You know, so you know, you have to be around better rappers than yourself

or people at least you admire to pick up and get... Mickey, no, I dare you guys to go to the school of Big Pun. Who shit? No. Big Punter take a piece of paper, loosely paper, and make you put 20 words on that one line. So you know how

you just, right now I just seen you rapping. That's cool. That's like smooth to the point. This nigga would have to go but da-da-da-da-da-da. Then he would always connect the last line. So say the last line was epitome. Remember me.

Like the next line got to start with the connection of that. Man, that nigga had me dizzy. He was telling me, yo, you Wack, nicket, you limited. Step your shit up. You limited. and I'd be like trying to get better and better. He'd be like,

nah, you're selling out, niggas, you can do this. Like, yo, this nigga used to put these dude on me. Bringer. I look at rappers, like, basketball players. Like, some people got three-pointers. Some people got handles. Some people got their jumper.

So you got to look at it like that. You got power rappers like M and Tech Nine and those that really are, like, verbal gymnast. Then you've got, like, the clever rappers, like Jada, who will just say shit, and you'd be like, oh, my God, reach for the head. So you got to figure out where you fit in hip hop.

Raq Kim rhymes smooth, you know? So you got to find that pick out your lane. Raqin parted the waters. I was there. I was in 82 parking university. We had no business there because I'm from the South Bronx. Like I told you, going to Manhattan was like hiking. Like, you know, we never left the four corners of the Bronx.

Yes, sir. And then when I went, when you said one, five, six, and titan, Africa, Islam. I'm from 165 and 10. So I'm just, the Johnson's chicken is on 163 and 10. I'm down the block. Shot rock from over there. Everybody, but anyway, so I go,

we hopped the train, we go to the west side, and the first, it was the dance. So they played Rock Kim for the first time, and they were doing the wild. They had the shit already. So we studying the dance. Back then, we didn't even have video. those are nothing to study the dance.

So everybody like, so before we go back to the South Bronx and play this new shit, we got to have to dance with it. So we did for like two, three hours learning the WAP. Everybody's trying to learn the WAP. And then I remember he sounded like an alien

or something. It was so crystal clean. And we went back the next day. We went to the jam. Shout out to Supreme and Hutch. And we told him, yo, we need to hear that Rock Kim. Eric Bia in Rock Kim. And they played that shit and changed my life, Eric B. and Raq Kim.

You know, the guys, man, he's the only rapper. I don't know if I could truthfully say this now, but I always thought if his son, we'd never heard Raq Kim, his son's a rapper. If his son did that album, paid him for 2026, brand new, we never heard. Still be done. Phenomenal, the leader of the new school.

Greatest that you know how music sometimes gets dated or played out Same lyrics we never heard it before the shit came out We would think his son is the greatest nigga ever touched the mic That's the thing I say about Raq Kim The first really hit rap record I heard was just like that And that's the way it is outside of Sugar Hill gang And then I was in New York Because my album came out the same time as paid in full

So I was in New York And Rakim was the first true hit rap record. I was in Harlem and every car. I came in the door. I came in the door. As the car was viral. I was like the whole city was moving. And at first I thought

the rapper was named Eric B. Because the record's called Eric B as president. Then I said I got a lot of my shit from Eric B just standing there fly with the jewels. That nigga Eric B, boy, I studied that nigga. That nigga his whole first thing. He was the first niggas here with the Rose Royce and all that. I always been attracted to money

and get money niggas. And that nigga Eric B looked like he had the most money in that crew right there. I'm like, looking at him. And I'm like, damn, that's the nigger, man. That niggas standing there with his shit. He's just standing there. He never smiled.

He never smiled. He had all the jewels on. But the first record I ever heard go viral was the message by Grandmaster Flash. Smelly Melanum. When I tell you, the people who only played

Sousa, nigga, anybody you name, the whole project building, you go down the stairs, every floor was playing it. You open the door, nigger, go by with the box,

with the, it's like a jungle ship. The cars, anything you could ever think of was played. That was the first viral record I ever heard. I agree.

That was something. So now, we meet Eric B and Raq. on tour. We're out on the dope jam tour, which was me, Bismarkey, KRS1, Kumo D, Dougie Fresh, and Eric B and Rakim. I was the opening

at. So Eric B and them, they were sizing us up because they're from New York, so they all sizing us up until we had a situation out on the road and they found out that we had all the guns. They was like, icing them were well-armed out here. He's just us in the guns. Yeah, so they were like, that day, they was

like, oh, you West Coast niggas is on some bullshit. I'm like, yo, we good, we good. We don't talk a lot, but we good. You know, like Smoot, the hustler said, I see, you one of motherfuckers in the feelish shorts with white sneakers and everything real cool, but you got to ooze me. So, you know, I got connected to Rakim

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Because they call you. the godfather of gangster rap he crowned you the inventor of gangster rap right here on this show and so if you're the inventor and you're the godfather then surely NWA and EZE and them came after you. Yeah, two albums after you.

And what the fuck did you think when you see them with flame thawers and going through the alley and you seen them fuck the Poli? What was your first impression when you've seen NWA? I see. Okay, let me back up and tell us the gangster rap story correctly, right? So the first version of ICT you guys saw was me cosplaying a rapper. I didn't know you could talk about crime.

I didn't know that you could actually say you did negative shit. Got it? So early in the game, I was trying to look like New York. I was dressing like New York. You saw me in breaking. I had on the goggles. I wanted to be part of y'all shit. So I figured I got to act like it.

How are you going to bet? No one's rapping from L.A. So I got to fit into New York. This was my first thing. I wanted to be accepted by New York. And I tried. I did everything I could. But then one night I was at a concert

with Russell Simmons in L.A. Because I used to open for all the New York acts. And I went on stage in a feel of sweats, suitcase, Swiss, all that, blouse. And when I came off the stage, Russell said, that's you, ice. You can't be Melly Bell. There's already a Melly Mell.

Be you. They don't know where L.A. is. Put L.A. on the map. I didn't have the courage to put a whole coast on the map. Like, no, you know. It's like if you're going to be a country Western singer, you're going to put on a cowboy fucking hat. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, so they was like, he was like, do it. So that was step one, like, be yourself. Then I heard Schooley D. I was in a club and I heard P.S.K. And the beat came on and it sounded like Angel Duff. I don't smoke dust, but I figured that's how it does. Makes your head. So I hear, scooly, PSK, we're making that green.

People always say, now this is the first rapper I ever seen that wasn't yelling. We were all yelling. And so then he said, put my pistol up against you. Hit my head and said, suck your ass, nigger. I said, this got to be the coolest motherfucker ever. So I'm like, so I run to the DJ group. I'm like, what is that record? It's called PSK.

What does that? mean. What does it mean? So I restarted and meant parkside killers. I said, he's rapping a gang. That was the green light. I'm like, it's okay to talk about it. And next thing, you know, my boys were like, say that shit you'd be saying. Because I used to rhyme gangster shit to the homies, but to think you could make a record. I was like, six in the morning was the B side of a record and it hit. And that was like, oh shit, niggas want to hear this shit. I could do this shit all day. I could do this shit all day. So that was

the invention. So I'll say Schooley D is the inventor of gangster rap. I popularized it. Now, NWA. NWA was out on the road with me. Easy, D.O.C. and everything. That's when they had dope man. They had gangster, gangster, and they were

performing. We was just all friends. Cube, everybody. We're close friends. Because, like I said, Ryan Pace. What I'm trying to capture. The beginning, No, no, no. Some guys dropped the record. Niggas with attitudes.

And you see this? I'm bringing you up to the speed. Here it goes. They have two songs out. Okay, they have two songs out. But they didn't drop straight out of Compton yet. Straight out of Compton was Godzilla. Straight out of Compton, when they dropped that album.

Now, I know them, dope man, dope man, gangster. But I didn't know what they was getting ready to drop. Right. So fuck the play. police, now, fuck the police came. I'm not going to, I did that because I used to come out on the stage and I, before I would do six in the morning, I would say, my name is iced tea. I got a rep like a killer, killer.

No one gets wilder. No one gets iller. I don't get high. I don't drink Miller, Miller, but if your bitch is empty, I'm sure I could fill her. I make stupid ass records. I just don't care. Suckers won't play my shit on the air. but y'all know you like it.

You say you want more. But every time I leave the crib and go to the store, I hear six in the morning. Before I would do that, I say, the police said I cannot do this record. Fuck the police. And the audience would go, fuck the police.

Fuck the police. Now, a month later, we're on tour and easy and them got a song called Fuck the police. Now, ask Dr. Dre if that inspired them to do fuck the police, but they saw the audience response to that. But it's all fucking love. When they came out, I was happy.

Everybody got to get inspired. Everybody got to get a spy. When NWA came out, I was happy. I was happy because I wanted some backup. I was by myself for three years. There was no West Coast real power. You know, when they came out, I was like, yes. Yeah, okay, now I got some niggas.

We're going. And they coined the term gangster rap, Jadikis, after Cube. Because when Cube said, Straight out of Compton, Crazy Motherfell. fucking name Ice Cube from the gang called Niggas with attitude. So the press said this is gangster rap.

So I'm like, okay, then I'm the original gangster. And that's what OG came. You want a history lesson. That's how it goes. It makes sense when you look at it all like that. And also, another thing I wanted to make sure people understand

gangster rap there's two different kinds of gangster rap and then there's gang banging rap Snoop introduced gang banging rap where you rap as a gang banger gangster rap to me is being a drug deal or a player a pimp a hustler whatever we're gangsts you was a gangster

you had no gangbanger so there's different levels of gangster rap so you know people think oh you was in a gang no I never joined the gang I was never a gang member me either right but I talked a lot of gang shit in my music I get what you're saying.

I want to make an honorary shout out, right? Because this guy gets overlooked all the time. And you just, you're thinking into a treasure chest to where I'm here. But I want to shout out Curtis Blow. Yes. Curtis Blow to me was the first superstar rapper. And so when I were watching him, even though I grew up next door, My next door neighbor, next building neighbor is Mr. Ness from the Furious Five.

Right. You know, I used to watch Melly Mellon and play basketball pickup games. But the guy to me that was like, I don't know if he was the first to get like a big major deal or whatever, but Curtis Blow was like the first rap superstar. Absolutely. I had ever seen. Soloist. Soluist. And here's a Curtis Blow story.

Like, you got stories. I'm old, so I got... Yeah, that's why I... No, no, we're here right now. That's the whole reason for this. Before I really was seriously rapping, because, like I said, nobody was making money rapping,

so we were still hustling. I was at a club called Carolina West, and they had a town, like a rap competition. A rap. Yeah, not a battle, but just a contest. Contest. Right. And I was with my homies, and they were like,

nica, go rap, go rap. Go rap. You know? And I rap, and I won and Curtis Blow was the judge. And that really made me think, maybe you could do this shit. Because to me, a real rapper said you could rap. And from that moment on, anytime I meet a young artist,

I always try to give them motivation because to them, they're trying to get in. To them, you're a real rapper, you're in. Now, some of these cats might not feel that way, but I always felt like that. If somebody's already doing something and I want to get in, you know, I'm not real yet.

I got to prove myself. Curtis Blow giving me that that little thumbs. You're not real yet. Change me. You know, you go from a police killer to being the police on the fucking TV.

And I know they can't afford all that Gucci you'd be wearing in the fucking TV. How do you got Gucci on every episode and you're a cop? I mean, you know, people want us to look good. This is fantasy. They want Mariska to look good and all that.

So what happened as I started to do the show, the character started to morph in to me. There was a moment when I started to do the show and Dick Wolf was like, you don't like cops, right? He says that to me. And I said, well, Dick, I was a criminal. So real criminals don't dislike cops.

To them, cops are not the enemy. They're the opponent. We know we're going to break the law, but we're going to beat them. Punk hates, I don't hate cops. I hate racist and I hate bullies. But as if we, me and Jada kids, actually, if we're selling drugs, the law creates the margin. If it becomes legal, it's worthless.

So we need the cops. So I said the cops were always the opponent to me. I never hated them. He said, but you meant we need them. I'm like, yeah. I know some niggas that need to go to jail right. Oh, no, some niggas. So he goes, play the cop.

we need ice imagine that that's your cue play the cop and so Joe if you had to be a cop what kind of cow how would you be and we all knew cool cops you know what I'm saying so that's what I tried to play

now I'm coming to I come to work you know I dress so they started to look at how I dress normally and they started to put the fly shit on me you know that's how to Gucci

you know it's crazy it was a cool cop that locked my brother out we used to love smitty you know the cool cop and buy the kids ice cream He knew my brother since he was a baby. He was like, yo, Junior, what you doing?

And oh, I'm chilling this and that. And he showed him nothing but love. And he just tapped him in the back and felt the gun. And my brother's waist, it was like, he came to my house. He locked him up and came to my house and told my mom, yo, Ruby, I had to lock Jr. But he had a gun on him.

This, this, that. The cool cop. The nigger in the little scooter around the block, everybody liked. He caught him with the hammer. He couldn't let it. I would have through it in incinerator if I knew a kid since he was born or something like that.

See, I don't believe... I'm afraid of cops, period, because period. I don't care if it's your brother. I don't care because when is he not a cop? You know? So say, for instance, this guy's a friend of yours, but he's a cop, and then homie just comes in. He's shot. You know, you could be around me, and one of my friends...

When is he turned it off? Yeah, when is he not? I'm sitting here. We're square, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then this guy comes in a friend of us. He segues into a murder. in front, you know, like, you're just a cop. So I'm less like, I tend to stay away from police in real life. You know, that's how I feel about rats.

And some people say, yo, he ain't tell on me or whatever. I said, but what happens if we walk out this building and we got to get ketchup out here and the guys here, he's going to tell on you. So it's like, that's a job. Yes, my thing is,

well, he didn't tell on you last time, but some shit happened. The cops come. He run down. the block, he gets caught. My money's against you. He's going to tell on you. No matter how

cool he is, no matter what you think or whatever the case may be, I feel the same way. I always felt like if you're committing to crime, let's let everybody know you're about to do it. You know, if you jump in my car and I didn't know you had a brick on

you in your bag and we get pulled over, you violated me. You're sure to let me know I'm dirty. Don't, you know, so even now today, when I put Pinnick, when I'm driving, I got cat, I'm like, what's going on? Everybody, you got something on you. At least give me the opportunity to know. Whether I want to drive with you or something on you or not. Right.

Don't be like, the police pull up, like, drive, nigga, drive. What are you talking about? Don't stop right now. Out comes a hammer. Like, no, don't stop. I'm like, hold up. I was in a call one time, you know, I think I'm really tough ice. Right.

But I was, no, no, no. I really think I'm tough. But I was in the car one time where our borderline got punked. Right. Right? Because we driving on the FDR and the cops pull us over. And I never forget.

These was probably like the most legendary niggas from my hood. There's legends all over. But these guys I passed away. I'll give you one name. He passed away. My man, man, money marking them. All these dudes

20 years in jail. And the cops pull us over and they're all strapped and they're like, yo, we ain't going back. And I'm fat Joe. I'm fat Joe, the rapper already,

nigga. Who me, nigga? Shitting on myself. I'm in the FDR. The cops pull us off. They ready to shoot it out? I was the ready

big pun is out. No. They're talking that shit. Yo, we're going to shoot this nigga in his face. This and I'm in the car. I'm like, please, guys. No.

Joe, I did 20 years. I'm not going back about. The nigger the cops came over. They was like, hey, guys. Don't they. My God. That's a great scene for a movie right there. Did I pray?

I'm not going back. Every time. It's the traffic stop. Listen, I might drive through the FDR one million times after that. I will never, I will show you this spot. I never forget it. If you ever been in a situation, I don't get, and I'm not pussy, my nigga.

But I don't think I was ready for shit out. These niggas who's talking. They strapped out the wazoo. We went to handle something. Right? We went to, we went to handle something like, yo, some niggas owe me money.

I brought the ugliest of, like the real ugliest of it. These niggas are borderline. Like, I don't know how to explain it to you. And you get what you wish for. The cops pulled us over. The niggas was dead ass like, yo, we're shooting the niggas in their face. We're not going back.

I did 20. I did 30. Yo, I did this. And I'm like, I'm on hot 97, nigga. I'm like, please, guys.

Could y'all let me out right here? No, no, no. You can't let me out because I know how to stay calm and play this shit off. But please, and the cop come over. Yo, guys, you know,

something bullshit. Have a nice day. Jesus. This nigga had a gun This shit The shirt was out here Yeah, it's stupid They had

They was gonna let it fly That's when Hanging out with the With the real ones Could turn real bad And that's one of the few times Where I felt like When I pulled off

I was like I felt punk That's a great segue Because that would It gave me a criminal migraine This one is for the OGs Let's keep it 1800 So is that a criminal mind.

You know what? I had to stop rapping for a while because I lost passion. I don't think artists ever stopped doing art. Miles Davis did he till he died. I think Rembrandt, whether George Clinton, I was with him, he's 85. I was like, this shit went to ringtone rap,

then it went to auto tune rap, then it went trapped. That wasn't my shit. But then when I seen Killer Mike, win a Grammy. Then I seen a clips drop an album. Then I see ghost face. Then I, Nas, I'm seeing people.

I say, we're in a renaissance right now. Like, our area is back. People want you doing your thing. I'm like, so I'm like, I'm kind of motivated now. So all of a sudden, everybody's like, nigger, you're not done. You're not done. So I started getting tracks together. And I put a double album together.

It's called Criminal Migraine. The criminal migraine is basically what happened. when you get your life together, but something happens to you that you would have handled differently. And your brain is like, nigga, you really don't understand. Oh, no, you don't.

And it's that point in our brain when we are, or either maybe life's not going good for you and you're thinking about going back to your old ways. And it's that headache you get. So that's the name of the album. But it's to really get out of the game album. It's an album based around, like,

people look at early I see like I was trying to get it. Now people look at me like, Ice, you're successful. tell us how to do it. Tell us the game. You the OG. What's the game? What's the next move? It's an informative album. It's an album from somebody in their 60s.

You know? I'm 68 years old. I'm the oldest rapper. You what? I'm 68. What the fuck? You look amazing. Yeah. But I was with George Clinton the other day. He's 85. He had a young bitch.

She was 62. All right. Damn. Oh. All right. So the shit don't stop. And, you know, if you're a real player, you just get thin in the waist, handsome in the face. You dig what I'm saying?

You know, we don't change. So now I go in the studio. I was like, I rap better now than ever. I got more content. But my job is not to put anybody in prison. The homies say, ICE, don't send nobody to jail, maybe. You know, so that's my thing. So, yeah, that's the criminal migraine.

It's coming out. But I'm not streaming. I'm not streaming. Fuck streaming. I'm telling everybody, let's not stream no more. That was the biggest rip-off in music history. The labels used to have a job, Joe.

They used to have to press our record, make our CDs, send it out, put them in trucks, go to the record store, collect the money. Now they don't do nothing. So they just sold us out. They said, fuck it, Spotify, take it. And you get 0.007 cents a stream. I never met a pimp that could break down a penny

okay these motherfuckers figured out how to break a penny down what kind of pimping is that you gotta get 300 million streams to equal a million dollars 300 million make you a million dollars 300 million streams

who gets that 300 million that's Taylor Swift Swift's that's bad bunny but not us rappers so I'm just like look I'm putting it on my site go to icedy.com

get the album pre-sale $10. You know, it's a double album. Who the fuck told me this? I think Eric Sherman... Same shit. I think Eric Sherman is the first guy whoever broke all that shit down to me.

It was like, you put it out yourself. You got $40,000, 30,000 fans and you make the money off of it, this and this and that. Yeah, Eric Sherman. Joe, we crack. You a drug dealer. A $10,000 people at $100,000,

that's a million dollars. I personally should know these numbers. I see. I see. let me explain son of you. I never understood these niggins math ever in my life. Not when I was the biggest, whatever this,

I just didn't understand it. I'd be like, yo, all right. So if I got this little massage gun and it costs me $10, I'm going to sell it outside the store and get $5? Who's going to stand out there all day selling the fucking thing for $10

and your profit is $5? this whole shit been a rip off since day one, this shit been a crime. Yeah. The biggest crime is still getting robbed in 2026. Well, at least when I was on a label, I made a dollar an album.

So if I sold a million records, that was a million dollars. But that's not really a million dollars because it's about $750,000. They got to pay for the video, the lies they talk about the, they promoted this and that and that and this. I used to throw parties.

The nigger Whitby used to tell me, yo, I hired 20 security, 10 flyer guys. This, the shit goes for $5,000 down. I'm leaving with $500. Niggas know how to play with them numbers legendary. Well, I got to pay the producers, too. You know, like the way I did the deal, I split 50-50 with my producers.

You know what I'm saying? And nobody's out of pocket. Everybody's working in their own studios and stuff like that. It could be profitable. But like at the end of the day, rule one of a hustler, you must get paid. So we're not doing shit for funds. So I'm like, I'll put out a record, but we're going to generate some funds.

And I'm going to have accounting. We'll be able to see how many records sold. And we can pay everybody. One thing I've never been charged with is ripping nobody off. Everybody ever worked with me. Always got paid probably more than, you know, normal. So I've never had any business. I heard that about you.

And let me tell you something. Somebody asked me recently, somebody I truly respect. And I'm going to say it, Desiree Perez from Rock Mason. And she was like, Joe, what would you do different if you had a situation where I was like, I would get the best accounting so that niggas know this transparency and they get paid exactly what they deserve. Because I think all these guys get into just business in general turns you off. when you see all these loopholes and all this fuck shit,

they be doing and they, and you be like, damn. Fuckery. Like, you know what I mean? Motherfuckers is crooks to the highest level. The only thing that saved us as rappers is we know we get this amount for the show and we get in it.

And then we break up it because any other aspect of business, it always seems to me the most honest niggas that you think. You go into that. You be like, yo, well, how you come up with that? Like, that's not what we agreed to. That shit happens to me 99.9% of the time when I do business with so-called legit businessmen. They always got some loophole, some fast-talking shit,

some dis and this and that. They don't really show you the math. Yo, we got to get it in eight months. You know what it is. Streaming. Like, you know, and streaming. No, I came in. I castes almost under the umbrella streaming.

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The worst guys, I mean the animal, the guys with eight heads, they love fat Joe. When I start hanging out with Mac 10, rest of peace, man's name was dumb. He had niggas names all on his arm of everybody he killed. Rest in peace. He loved me. We give him a fine 60 jacket.

He wears it every day in Englewood. Like all the maniacs, I don't care what religion, what color, what they love fad joe. Right? So one day, I'm sitting out there.

I'm not a rapper yet. But probably the number one or the number two biggest maniac in the Bronx's history. When I say maniac, I don't want to say that. When I say maniac, he's probably in jail for like 90 murders. And they started telling niggas, when niggas was going in there to snitch, they said, please don't tell me about it. He's done.

10,000. You can't use him. You can't come in and say, I see the murder. In broad daylight. It was such. They like, please. They ran out of him. you can't snitch on him

no more. He's underneath any Lord there's no Jesus Christ will have to come free to prisoners for him to get out. So I'm in front of the club thinking I'm fly. We're talking to the nigga. Right? We over there in the circle over there

by Parkchester. Fat Joe talking to this nigga is the biggest shit you could ever see in your life in the Bronx. Like, niggas is terrified at this guy. It's just deaf. Like, if he was in the thing, you knew three niggas was getting murdered after the joint. There is no way around it.

But of course, I'm stunting. Joe crack out there, yo, holding court. He said, you seen that? I said, seen what? He said, this is an A&B conversation, nigga, getting the car. So I'm like, and I'm not pussy, right? So I'm looking at the nigger, he's like, so I get in the car.

band pull out the hammer and he said niggas rode by got beef he said we're going to lay these niggas out right now he passed me a joint he got a joint this guy's a mass murder

that's what I'm trying to tell you thank God we never found these niggas I could not sleep when I went home I felt so pussy because the nick almost forced me into a body

at least 30 of the 90 niggas he's in jail for were his best friends. Yo, this an A&B conversation, bop, ball. We're gonna lay these. All I try to do is go to the club, get some bitches or something.

And then threw me in the car. He driving through the cross wrongs, looking for, I don't, I didn't even see them. He brings me back in front of this shit. I'm just like, that night I couldn't not sleep. I say, yo, you pussy, my nigga. Nick, I almost forced you into doing some,

the wildest shit. ever, and you ain't argue with him, you ain't telling a dick no, this, this, that. So you got to be careful of those moments because the wrong nigga make you do some shit.

And so I go like this, it's funny it leads into son because Mick Benzo over there. You know the infamous story that I always tell about Alan Iverson that we went to his birthday party in Virginia and the whole club

beat us up. The whole club on the AIS book. AI came here, he denied it. I think he told me in person, you right, Joe, but we ain't got to tell the story, whatever. We went to Allen Overson's birthday party, bad news VA. And all I know is these cups, these 1800 cups,

these sis was flying 10,000, the whole club against us, right? They went from, yo, right? The guy who saved us was Big Big Benzo. Big Menzo jumped out in the middle of the club and pulled out. two guns and back the whole club down like this. Y'all shoot y'all, you know, I'd shoot y'niggas, this, at the time,

remember when Mickey moved to Virginia? Yeah. Where you had the fast food joining and all that? Mickey's in that story, right there. When he pulled out the, I asked him before, I said it. Cause I say the story.

He said, yeah, you can say the story. It was Mickey. Who stopped, niggas? Yo, I don't know. Has the Lox ever been in a situation where you had to fight the whole club? Like a thousand. The whole club all of a sudden went from singing some shit

to like they're trying to kill you the whole club. You ever been through that? We have a few experiences. Like that. There were a few. No, it happened to us. You know, Mick was with me in fucking Africa when we got kidnapped. Oh, wow.

I heard that story. No, he was with me. I know. He told me the story. He was there too. Mickey was over there acting like he was coming to America. He had the bitches washing his hands And they're crazy

He's the first guy I ever seen Make somebody wash this And give me a hot towel And I said yo This nigga way too fancy For me Like that ain't

But Mick I told him the story About the Alan Ivers In the VA When you pull out the two hammers In the middle of the dance floors He shut it down Mick ain't never fold

On some beef He ain't never fold He was always ready for for war. So the new album, Criminal Migraine, shout out to your wife. You know, we big fans.

My whole family loves your wife. Yeah, she loves your wife. Yeah, we love your wife. And so shout out to Coco. A little daughter, when she's fired. Thank you, she's 10 years old. I see you brought out on a tour date with you.

That was fired. Yeah, she comes out on a body count tour and opens a song we do call Talk Shit Get Shot. You know? That's fine. The fuck I'm talking about Yeah, that's fine So they used to always bother me

Yo, you let your daughter hear curses I say all the time when I was young Come on, man They used to ask me that about my kids They say they listen to your records I'm like when they're not selling crack Or doing drive buys Yeah, they usually listen to that shit

You know, fuck them Two new tracks Which one we play? Yeah, let's play no competition Get it? Africa Islam produced Woo! What did I see?

A bunch of wack-ass niggas that can never be me. I don't play games, no need to say names. I'mma just keeping 100. These clowns are abundant. Meanwhile, I'mma make it ice cold as snow. Maximize my hustle and perfect my flow. Pearl White rolls, I slam whole four doles. Can't a soul on earth touchy when it comes to the close.

Playing on the razor blade, no chance of falling. I've been bawling since you niggas was quarling. Expert with the drum work. Watch that four five jer. Nigger play dumb. Meet the handgun. Get mur. Don't try bitch, nigger, this is not AI.

Ain't nobody on my level, ain't nobody just fly. I got what you wish you had. Bankroll crazy and my bitch is bad. I see dope competition. ICE is speaking, you are now in school. Just look down at your feet and speak up the jewels. Pay attention, every word is meant. Usseling is a game that I didn't invent.

But I mastered every angle of the games I know. And no matter what I know, there will always be molled. Bentley Continental or Black 6'4. Keep a crew of Y-Ns, they're all ready to go. I give a fuck about what you think. I'm that nigger up in court in the full-length me. You never mean a nigga on the earth in school. I'm taking back throwing balls to my dog in the pool.

No drama, no beef at all. Niggins got issues. I just block they cause. You might outwrap me, but that's just rap. You say you outball me? That's just cap. I see no competition. I see no competition.

I'ma keep you real. If I thought these niggas out here was really that dope, I'd shut me fuck up. I see no competition. You should see my view. You never reach my level or can do what I do. Bless, I'm one of the chosen few. If I was you, I would hate me too.

Magificent rhyme. I'm the hill big designer if they ask you if I'm dope, don't front and say kinder. These niggas so goddamn whack I went back to 87 brought that bar back Most of you niggas ain't been off your block I'm on my fifth passport nigger rapping rock Live on the east represent the West

My fly best DB3RS, social media Wanna be me Only time you ever went viral, nigga was an SDD You wanna age niggas out in hip hop Most you bitch niggas so garbage Why the fuck should I stop? No composition

I see no competition man you want to know what you know what man God bless Killer Mike because he inspired me to

start rapping again and take you serious and go for it all that record right there is crazy bro and so the way I look at music and what we do whether it's with the

podcast, right? You know, because people change the narrative and they change words and they change everything. That's why we got a legend like Ice Tea, so that 30, 40 years from now a kid, a young kid then could look up at this video and be like, nah, that man, Ice Tea said it different on the thing. Snoop Dog said it different on the thing. So that's why we started a podcast because a lot of niggas, they call me Kappa. A lot of niggas was doing too much Kappa out here. So we had to get it authentic.

And so when you got a brother Killer Mike who won them Grammys, he inspired me and you just told me the same two culprits, the clips too. They inspired me too. When I see them, I get so fucking excited.

Shout out Killer Mike, I'm going to give you that graffiti piece. He wants the piece for his house. You know, I do art. So he on my ass and the DMs, pause saying, yo, crack, I need that fucking graffiti. You know, also one thing, by being my age,

if I can put out a decent project that's critically acclaimed, especially by my peers. I only care about my peers, really. I reset the bar for hip-hop. I've proved that you can rap forever. So everybody should get behind it because you don't want to expire with this, but I don't think we

ever do, you know? So and also, another thing is like, honestly, I don't need any new fans. I moved over 20 million records over my career. I had six consecutive gold and platinum records. So if only my fans by the record, I'm good. I'm good. So

You just had short on. People have fan bases. You just have to hit, you have to super serve your fan base. Don't worry about it. I'm not worried about Drake. Drake has millions, millions of people. I don't need that. I just need my fans.

So if you ever own the Ice Tea album, get this one for your collection. It's a double album. I won't let you down because I rap the way I rap. It sound even better. Remindig. You sound even better, ICE. I think you get better. No, you sound even better.

Trust me. I've heard every hour. I'm with Mick Benzo. He's playing. I know all about ice team. But the thing of it is, you sound even better right now. I get better because you listen to other people.

You're inspired. I know what new hip hop sounds. Like, I wanted to give it that vibe. I wanted to give it that DJ sound. You touched something real quick, and I never knew that, right, earlier. But I heard it, and I was like, I wanted to stop, but it was so early.

They said, I'm a criminal at stopping the guests. I'm talking. You discover Everlast? Yes. How did that happen? there was a guy named Belal Bashir and he was a producer

he brought me Everlast he brought me Divine Styler and Everlast was dope but when I first met Ev he was rapping in Raq Kim's voice you know how rappers rap like other rappers Yeah I was in other voice Yeah I say nah nigga

You got the same thing I had to learn from Rust B you just rap And one of his first records called syndication I got him a record deal at Warner Brothers I got him, Donald D, Divine Siler, like I said, Lord for now. I got a lot of people record. I've never signed an artist, though.

I've never... Let me tell you something. I always just want to help. Everlast has always been one of my favorite rappers ever. Ever, ever. We did the Knicks parade, and we shot a video there at Victory Lab. And the whole time we shoot in the video,

I'm like, this reminds me of Everlast. And then Everlast had beef with Eminem. He came to the yard. No. Everlast came to the yard. I'm in the barbershop. They're playing the Everlast shit. I say, yo, this guy not pussy.

This went Evanembers. Hi, my name is the nicest nigga on earth. He shot back. Like, and I'm listening to him, I'm like, yo, this thing is this, my God. That's why I always love. If you in here, you shock up. Y'all, Everlast, my. You know, Everlast is the truth.

But just like when Melly Mel and Mel, had that situation with M, like I love Eminem. Like, I'm one of the few guys that can get him on the phone. And I remember... Billy Mel had a situation with Eminemps. Yeah, he tried to go. But I told Mel to leave him alone from jump.

I told Mel, I heard him, I heard him, and I say, yo, Mel, leave him alone. Now, Mel is... the leader of my tribe. Mel is my dawn, my boss are bosses. There's just no way around.

Mine too. Oh no, I'm still a little kid when I'm around Mel. I sit there. You see, we did the parade. We bring him,

he's included in everything. Right? So I go to Mel and I say, yo, Mel, what are you doing? You're going to burn every bridge in the world.

This niggas is the big. So, Mel, still dis, And then M's about to get at him. And I throw up a picture of Melly Mel in my Instagram. And I said, this is my dawn. This is my godfather. M fell back from.

I swear to God, that post right there, I think M honored the Joe Crack and M relationship. It just said, because I never heard of a person Eminem ain't destroyed or go back and really go crazy on it. He was just like, yo. And he was like, nah, Joe. it's all good. I say, yo, you know.

I think, like, you know, they love to ask because the top five, I always pivot to my most inspirational. You know, like... Top five most inspirational. What's your top five most inspiration was? Melly Mel would be the first person that I ever had really...

He turned a message. When he did the message, he changed the direction of hip-hop. People was all about a party. All of it. And that's when I learned, oh, you can talk about things. All the way.

Okay. And he gets locked up at the end. They get locked up at the end. Ain't shit change. Right. In that video, one of the most legendary songs videos in the world, is it no surprise?

They got locked up at the end of the shit. They throw them in the paddy wagon. That shit is still real to this day. George Floyd, everything you look at, you can see that shit right in that video. Early 80s. Chuck D. Because they made us understand,

had to represent being black and being powerful and strength. That was very important. Raq Kim, because he kind of like rewrote the way that we rap. You know, if you listen to me, I'm not really yelling. It's just I like to try to just talk that shit, you know. Because Raqqin wasn't really overly barred up. It was just, it was a very slick way he would rhyme that, you know. So I like that.

Yeah. Let's say those three right quick, you know. So you got Chuck. public enemy. You got public enemy. You got a, man, that's a hell of a dream. Yeah, we'll start. Let's leave there.

Because there's a lot of other people. Like, to me, like you said, NWA really took the gangster shit to a whole another level, which I really respected. Like, you know, I was like, because I was a solo soloist, there was a group. That's why I liked Lox, too. Because when you see three people rap in the same time, my favorite group of all time is mob deep. Because to me, Prodigy

I was at the funeral with you. Yeah, I just, my style of rap, I like to know what you're saying. I like Jay to kiss. I like, if I can't hear what you're saying, how can I hear what you're saying? So I want you to make it easy enough that I can digest the lyric. Some people rap so aggressively, I can't get it.

Like I said, I was, Chino XL, rest in peace. my nephew, I loved him to death. But it was so intense. I'm like, yo, you know, I'm catching like every third bar. You just did, you know, like, just like you said, big pun, it's so incredible. But me, myself, from my ears, I just want to hear, I want to hear what you're saying. Like, I like RJ Payne now, the new kid, Murkums. I'm working with this kid.

I have mad squabbles. I like rappers. I like rappers, rappers. So, you know, I got on my album. I got Razz Kaz, I got Murkums. I got Freddie Fox. Freddie Fox. Yo, what's up, Freddie Fox?

Yeah. Yeah, smooth a hustler. Ooh. Yeah. You had something to do with Smooth the Hustler or you, Mickey? Who had me? I think you're the first person ever played me smoothed to hustle. The clock, cocka, the cop rocker.

What happened to that story? I was in New York. Now I'm iced tea and I'm doing my thing and I went up to Freddie Bugs. What's the name? Bugsy. Bugsie, Bugsie, Bugsie. And so I'm on the radio and they asked me, well, what records in New York do you like? And I'm like, this one record, I want to rock right now.

I like that, Rob Bass. And there's some other, the Bible, the Jesus Christ Bible Ripper, the Ike and Tina Turner-ass Whippin'Learner. I'm like, oh, that's smooth, a hustle and trigger the gamble. That's broken language. Listen, by the time I came out the radio station, SMG, the whole Brooklyn crew was at the station to meet me. Because in Smooth's word, you was a real rapper. You're somebody who was already there to say our name. You were the first person that really said our name.

And me and Smooth and Trigger have been friends ever since. Okay, let me tell you some, smooth and trigger. I'm going to give you a whole new category. Smooth the Trigger and, um, your man, uh, where my homies? Illinois Scratch. Illinois Scratch. Oh, what's my man? Mad Beats for the next.

and then I was in the Bronx and then it went to hit. Channel live. No. No. No. Nine. Nine.

Nine. Nine. Nine. Blasee Blase. Nive Blasee. I just seen Blase. You're the whole fucking category of the bigger. UFO.

He just seen Blase. When Brooke was in the house, oh my God. Papoose was SMG too, Sex Money and Guns. Papoose was the youngster that's moving them introduced me. He was down with smooth the hustling? No.

He was the little homie. He was down with G. Yeah, he got SMG a tattooed on. 5,6, who's you rap album? I never knew that. Word. Yeah. DR period.

D.R. period. Yeah, D.R. period. Yo, listen, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. Make sure you get criminal migraine on Ice T's website. No streaming.

August. Let's go. Legendary. The OG network. Yeah, we do it. Remy got a network. Y'all, everybody. Everybody got the OG network.

Yeah. Everybody got fucking too short was just there. It's time. It's a renaissance. Yeah, it's a renaissance. Let's go. Grammys. We here, baby.

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