Joe and Jada - Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

During the NBA All-Star Weekend, Fat Joe and Jadakiss were joined by Jalen Rose and God Shammgod for a special live edition of Joe and Jada. They talk about the media's treatment of Jalen's Fab Five Michigan team, the emergence of NIL in college basketball, Shammgod's memories of training a young Kobe Bryant, Jalen's famously immaculate hairline, LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan, and how Shammgod invented the move named after him. Also, Joe and Jada drop gems about the 1990s hip hop industry, the story behind "Lean Back," and their favorite Biggie and Big Pun verses. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A criminal. A hero. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. Charlie's Place from Atlas Obscura and visit Myrtle Beach. Listen to Charlie's Place on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the fath I was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan. He was on the honor roll.

I was like the biggest trick. And we didn't have like social media. I couldn't say nothing. I'm like, come on the deal. They're treating me like I'm some dummy. What up, y'all? I'm Joe Crack to Dawn. Your boy Jada.

It's the John Gia show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. All-Star 2026. We got our brothers, Gahmgard, Jalen Rose. Make some noise for them. Coming from where we come from if you love basketball,

you're one of it. There's a lot of levels of basketball, but we all know. But being the McDonald's All-American is probably one of the best things you can accomplish of your career as a high school kid, you know what I mean, playing amongst all the grades. We're going to find out. We're going to talk to him about the film. We're going to have some fun today. Is this a proper?

We're going to open this at some point. Now, we can open that shit up. We got ace. Open their sit-up is a lot to celebrate about. So I just have to say this because this is actually crazy. I think I'm the oldest person up here. I'm older than you, Craig.

I tell you one thing. If you older than me, you definitely using rewind a time. I bet you on a box. You said, Joe, I'm not ready for that. You might as well make money off to get higher in your own supply. I got a different.

Rewinded 10. in CBS, Sally's Stop and shop No, I got a plan, Joe. I got me a couple of steps that I'm going to do. Yes, I have a plan of working on beauty products and stay tuned.

That's why I got love for you. I ain't know. I thought you was missing out. No. But I have to say this. I really have to say this. Like, this is like real still. Like, I love you.

You love you too. This ain't no Hollywood like friendship, relationship, kinship. Like, I've been in Miami at three in the morning and he saved my life. Real talk.

Like, I have the Jada Kiss bus for the Hall of Fame and he don't even have it because he gave it to me. These are the only two people that I believe that have a show that I'm on

their show, and they've both been on my show. Yeah, that's a fact. Right? You know, we got jerked by Mello. I did Mello show. He did Mello show. That motherfucker won't come to our shit and nothing. He's curving us.

He's curving us in the home of the turbines. And so to see you guys doing your show, y'all killing it, dog. And this is their first live show. Give it up for him. This is their first live show. Show. Give it up for him. And I got to say this about you. Like, the sham guy move in basketball is the equivalent of like wearing jorans. Like, it really is. Like, that's the real thing. And how you develop players, you're an incredible coach. And you've always stayed 10 toes down.

Like, we love you, brother. I appreciate it. I love y'all, too. You know, you know everybody up here. family with me. Joe knew me when I was young. Me and kids practically grew up together with the large children of the corn, Mace Cam and all of us. So me and kids been down since 15 years old,

14 years old, knowing each other hanging out and stuff like that. So just to see, you know, their growth. And then Joe went from being a terror to everyone to the stuff that he's doing now is amazing. And like, Joe knows.

Like, he's the first person I hit up. People don't even know. He's the first person I told that J.B. was going to be good for his next. When he asked me, he said, hey, is Jailing going to be good? And I was like, I don't know if the team is going to be good, but I know Jailen is going to be steady and he's going to be consistent. And my brother Jailen did way more than either one of us could imagine.

So, you know what I'm saying? Like me and Joe always had a relationship. And since I was young, you know, Joe always did. amazing things for the hood and stood up against people in the hood. So, like, there's always love. And like I said, kisses my brother. Jelling Rose is, what can you say

about him and the five-five? You know what I'm saying? So, like, he got his own thing in Detroit, like I had in New York. He was in the streets and went to the NBA and did his thing and changed the whole culture, him and his

five-five brothers. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. So I have a Joe and Jada question because these are my actual brothers. Joe, I got to ask you a question. Mr. Crack. When did you get nice? Nice to what? You're a nice human being now.

Bless God. You're thoughtful. You're intelligent. You're well-dressed. Like, when did this happen? I believe I was always a nice guy. I always had a current heart and everything. It's just we grew up with such.

a tough environment growing up that you had to be tough because you either was predator or you was prey. That refused to be prey. It was bullied a lot when I was a young kid, so I had to grow into that. And then when I got

in the rap game, it was no fucking difference. I don't want to disrespect hip-hop, but it was like you meet somebody, all right, I want to meet this rap. This is my man. Two times a Mac. He didn't Double life came home on an appeal.

Like, you're like, there ain't no PhDs and masters in hip hop. You just meet the craziest motherfuckers. This guy killed 46 guys. He's my new role manager. So you had no choice but to be tough in the hip hop. And so, you know, the shit forced me, but I always was looking for a way to be nice and always be myself.

And at the beginning, I ain't going allowed. we'd be staying, if I fuck with Jada kiss, if I fuck with Fab, if I fuck with Biggie, if I fuck, we would stand in the club and stare at each other and just be like, nobody would say nothing. Like, you just look at them, you'd be like, he'd be like, and thank God now we got,

we can show our personality and shit like that. So for Jada, my other brother, and shout out the chic lutes and styles Pete. That's all right. brothers, too. Give it up for the lots. Like, I love seeing people wearing the shirt now, the hat now, because sometimes

it takes time for people to catch up. So I had to ask you, top five DOA, that's now doing podcasting and expressing yourself about the industry and current events. Like, what made you decide that

this was the opportunity for you to express yourself in this space? Great question. because y'all like top secret like the locks are like like it's all about secret service you know what I'm saying

family it's all about growth and you know people all in the state of where the world is right now people want to hear authentic stories

from people that lived it or people that have been It had in fact I'm supposed to do something years ago and it didn't be banned out and shout out to the rock

You gotta be mad as hell of people and your name is actually crap that's your actual name Yeah but it wasn't crap You know I sold crack But it wasn't because I stole crack But normally like He shamed God because of his handle

You're a crack Well I'm cracked because the crack of my ass used to show And the girls that... I'm telling you... Hey, there's go, Dana. Hey, me too. Hey, Joe.

Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe. Hold on. I stopped cussing like 20 years ago. That's a BS, Joe. It's not because you stood up one time

and you're cracking your ass and showing their class. That is not all you got that name. I'm telling you. That is not... You're telling me, but I saw you. That's not the... It's... Spike Lee, I caught Spike Lee on a flight to LA

and I talked a hole in his head for six hours. Spike changed my life. Do we got any more flags? Yes. I better re-up. Y'all might have to get TD Jakes on the show. I know, do you know that we know why your nickname is cracked? Do you realize it?

No. Fetze is watch. Let me tell him my bullshit story, all right? Okay, cool. So I convinced Spike Lee, you know, let me try out for this show. He has, she's got to have it on Netflix. And when I went to try out, I made it. And so before I could do it, because, you know, Spike Lee,

Mr. Pro Black, Mr. Conscious, he brought me in front of his whole staff. and he made me explain why my name was crat. I was like, you know, I'm in junior high school. I always been fat. By the way, I always been fat Joey since birth, okay? I've never been skinny in my life. I've been fat Joey. One years old, two years old, three years, they always been fat Joey.

And so, you know, I would get up to go write something on the board in junior high and the girls, be like, eh, Joey Crack. So that's how I got the name Joey Crack. When I explained it, you could see the whole staff. Spike Lee's staff was like, Ah, all right. Sold it, huh? Yeah, sold it.

Okay, okay. Double in Tondra. Okay, okay. Okay. If you want to believe that, fine. Congratulations. We love you. Y'all Jalen Rose, who chase time?

Hey, kid. The man, got the sharpest line. I ought to go to Turkey to get some shit. Like, you got that fucking. Yeah, dude, that shit. That's the cutter, motherfucker. I dare you go like that. You catch a fucking paper cut.

You fuck with that shit. I'm going to watch that shit on TV. I say, man, in there got the sharpest line I ever seen in the fucking world. How many cuts you get a week. So the craziest thing for public consumption is I literally just get a haircut before y'all see me. It's nothing special. Like, I knew I was going to be on Johnny. I can see that.

I can see that. You cannot get rid of that barber. Your barber elite. I won't. The second you try, I won't. I won't. Let me tell you something.

I see all the time. I got a problem. I have a serious problem. I'm a shopper hollick. What did I do now? Jada? I didn't say nothing. I've seen the hand movement.

I'm already like, abuse. Like, I see the hand go up. I'm thinking I'm getting the flag for no. But, you know, I like shopping and shit, and I got a real big problem. But they told me, yo, the Billy, you don't dress, they're going to say you fell off like a motherfucker. You better keep blowing that bag because, yo, let me tell you something.

You try to... So, hey. So I love y'all show. I watch your show each time. So I would love to ask y'all a couple of questions. You've been asking us, I don't know if you know. We love it. Go ahead.

Jaylon Rose shop. No. Joe, Jaylin. Okay, cool. I got one question. I got one question. I got one question. I got one question because we all grew up together.

So people that don't know, like Jada kids play basketball, elite shooter still can shoot now. When did you say you was going from playing basketball to wrap it. I know when Mason Kim did it because I was with them every day, but when did you go from that to wrap it? I got all the wrong letters.

The wrong schools? I got letters. They just wasn't right. Mercy College. Yeah, I'm like, yeah. Jucoe Junior's time. Five. Couple D-2s,

couple D-3s. But it wasn't it wasn't happening. I was a, all right, but you got to know when the fold them, Kenny Rogers. You got to know when to fold them. No way to fold them. I'd have been a little bit taller, a little bit faster. I probably never would have went in the booth.

But God didn't bless me with those things, so I had to figure something else out. Well, just like a ball player for y'all, you know, yonkers is right next to the Bronx to say, Ingo or whatever. And so I heard about these guys and they were dumb yon. and they was like, yo, there's these guys they call the warlocks. Just like basketball. Yeah, but another player, they just like, yo, these guys call the warlocks.

And I'm like, the warlocks. And it was like, yeah, they did nice. And a couple of times I drove by, they used to hang out at this gas station. So I would ride by and I'd be like, and they'd be like, yeah, that's them. That's the warlocks. And then they just blew the fuck up.

You know, it's like that. when you hear somebody's name, you know what's crazy is. I'm thinking of basketball. Stefan Ballberry, he grew up in the projects in Coney Island. I want to know if this happened to you. He said he'd be outside 10 years old, 10,

dribbling in the park, and he would see like white men just standing there watching him. And he's in the middle of the hood. And white man would be over there looking at it. him at 10 years old, 11 years old, 12, and he was like, yo, they was the scouts. They knew when I was 10 years old, I was going to the fucking league.

Yeah, because he had... Because he had... Because he had, you know, he had three brothers that played and they didn't really make it. So they put everything in them. So that's why when anybody, like, argue me about Steph,

it's hard for me to really even understand the argument because, like, when I started playing basketball, I didn't start playing basketball, so I moved to Harlem. So I started playing basketball late. 11, 12, and it was so crazy

because me and Steph used to hang out, and I'm like, this dude is the number one seventh grader in the world. And I'm like, man, I'm not even 200 in New York City. There's no one in the world. In the world. I'm like, how is he that much better than me?

So that he, like, forced me to work out every day. And then my senior year, when we both was 12th grade, we both got a co-player the year. Then I got to number 15 in the country. But, you know, while we here, made the McDonald's or American game. And it's so funny because when I was in the ninth grade, my coach was just like, hey, what you wanted to do?

And I was like, I want to play McDonald's with America. I ain't know what the hell I was talking about because I didn't know what the game was. And he was like, how do you think you're going to play McDonald's? You're like 296 in the city in the ninth grade. And I was like, ah, nah. Then my coach told me, he was like, yo, you come here every morning,

because I went to LaSalle Academy. He was like, you come here every morning at 6 o'clock, by I start at 8. He was like, I'll work you out every day. and then at the school you stayed two hours later and we'll work out. And he was like, you should be able to make it. And just because he said that

and because I was hanging with Steph every day where, like you said, I remember his pops had him running up the stairs in the project. We would go to Coney Island. His father would make him play with an invisible basketball to work on his form. Like a hundred jump shots, no basketball.

Just shoot it, shoot it, shoot. And then like, he used to always tell me, man, you could do it, this and that. And I used to be like, and then because my father used to train boxes. So I was already disciplined when I moved from Brooklyn. So it was just all about work. And then I dribbled so much till like in 11th grade, I used to stay in the park under the lights.

And I thought I could shake my shadow. So that's how I used to dribble so fast. Because I was just like, I know I can make my shadow move. I know I can make my shadow move. So I was looking like pookie. Crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's a shit, nuts. Make my shadow. I was looking like nuts. That's a Bruce Lee shit. I was like walking through the thing. But my thing for, like, Joe is, because I played in 55th, like, in the 8th grade and 9th grade, what made you want to start coaching in 55th?

Because, you know, back then, 55th for people that don't know, was like a movie. It was like, you come up there. Tell them what 55th is. Yeah, 55th is rock apart. So, like, when I first moved up there, when people don't understand, one of the reasons, I mean, Jay, Jay de Kisnow, but, like,

Mace is the first person I ever. took me to basketball, play basketball. And that's Mace that used to rap. So he was like, hey, I'm going to take you to this park to watch this game. And I was like, all right. At this point, I never played basketball. I used to live in Brooklyn and do karate and do wrestling and all that stuff.

That's when that, the white Chinese, white man, I used to come on the kung fu that wasn't Chinese. Yeah, he used to walk everywhere, but he wasn't Chinese. He was walking in the desert. Kim Kelly was like for Chuck Norris. Oh, you mean the Chinese thing? And they used to be walking like the monk? Yes, yes.

So that was like my whole thing. What's the name? Wrestling. Yes. Yes. Oh, no, that was legendary guys. Y'all too young for that shit. Yes.

I used to watch that and do wrestling every day. So then when I moved to Harlem, you know, in Brooklyn, the other day you used to do was Robin Still. So, like, when I moved to Harlem, it was like a movie because I actually saw, like, black people making money, Sadie's Benzids. Even though they were drug dealers, like it was just like a movie. Then I go to 55th.

And I happened to go to the day. of the All-Star game. And I saw a guy named Malloyne Smith that will forever be my idol. I don't care. Malloy? Who, like, future, Malloy? Yeah. So I don't care how much basketball. He was the king of the Bronx.

Yeah, so he was like, if y'all don't know Malloy, hopefully y'all know Carin Reed. They're like probably the most legendary point guards up there because they played for so long. And I went up there and I saw Mike Boogie get on one knee and dribble through Maloy

legs. And 55 and that forever changed my life. I was hanging in the tree. And I saw, like, it was people coming up there getting dressed at halftime, getting Jordans. At this point, I was wearing spot belts. I didn't even know what Jordans was. Spot builds was a shit.

So it just, like, changed my life. It was, like, entertainment basketball. Because that was the first time I saw something that, like, entertained fans. And, like, which made people famous that wasn't famous. You know, like local heroes, like, walking down the street and people like instantly know you, like, that's Malloy Mason. That's Master Rob. I remember when somebody said, man, you know Magic Johnson?

I said, he can't mess with no Malloy. So when you're watching the league right now, and you're watching college, and I would love to ask you this, and it's okay. It's like people say the sham guy dribble. Like, it's a real thing. That's a fact. It's like muscle memories.

It's like when you go to the doctor and they hit your knee, you know what I'm saying? for muscle memory. So how did that come about? And for those that don't know what that is, please tell them what the sham guy dribble is. Well, it's like, what people don't understand, it was like I used to watch a marries guy

named Sharon Anderson. And he used to always dribble up the core with one hand, like going like this, like inside out, one hand, one hand. And then you factor in, like, when I was growing up to, like, I know Joe and Jada could relate to this to you can. And it's like, you know, it's like when you see Kooji rap and all of them, you're growing up, like, these are like superheroes. So when I first started playing basketball, even though I was hanging with Steph, Kareen Reed, Ray, Rafe of Austin, all these people, they wasn't really playing basketball since 10. I wasn't playing.

So these dudes is like the Avengers to me. Like, I just like, yo, these dudes is off the chain. If I ever could come a little bit good like them, I'm going to be nice. So then like, like I said, I watched this kid named Sherrin. And then Rafe was like real nice at the time. For people that don't know, that skipped to my look. So he used to do all this skipping stuff. I went to PS-90.

I went to PS-175. And the janitor, one day I'm in there dribbling and stuff. And the general was like, man, if you just took it seriously, you could be somebody. And I was like, man, who the fuck we think you are? Who are you talking about? So I don't even know who he is. I go home. I get this tape called Blub the Rim.

below the rim. That's what it was like VHA said. It's like Kevin Johnson, Maddie Johnson, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, all these through Tim Hardaway. But in the middle of the tape, it's like, Pistoo Pete, Earl Monroe, Tiny Archibor, all these people. So I'm like, man, this dude looked familiar. So I go back to school, I'm just watching him for a week.

So then I got the courage, and I said, hey, do you got a son named Tiny Archibor? And he's like, what are you talking about? And I was, I was watching this tape. And it said Tiny Archibor. His name is Nate Archibor. Right? So I'm like, I'm not even putting two.

And I was like, he's skinny, so I can't. But I'm thinking like the people think now, if you play in the NBA, you're rich. So I'm looking at him and he's like, no, what are you talking about? That's me. And I'm like, what? There's no way that could be you. And I was like, why you didn't tell me you played in the NBA? And he was like, oh, you little kids just think you know everything.

So I just let. And like, to this day, that's one of my closest friends. But he the one that told me like, he was like, if you master something, and you do it for free one day the world to pay you for it. So then we got an NCAA tournament in 97. I was actually trying to do another move. This move, Kenny Anderson used to do,

he used to like go fast, change direction, throw it between his legs. And what happened was the ball slipped. And then the only day I could remember is the dude is Sherrin. I used to grab the ball like that. And then because I watched film a lot, I went back to the day.

I'm like, man, this thing, I'm like, man, that move could work. But then I still ain't think none of it. And then I came home in the summer, and I went to the park I grew up in, and I'm just looking through the fence. And these little kids, like, oh, man, I just shammed you. I just shamed you. I'm like, what are you talking about?

And then the kid was like, yeah, I just sham guards him and all that. And then the next thing you know, it just went viral like that. And it's like one of the most humbling feeling because I know everybody up here and anybody here. If you work anywhere, you want to make it better than how you found it. And for me, I get to live in my inspiration every day because, Mark Cuban, people like that gave me a platform to show my talent so like when people say

like Russell Westbrook This Paul doing the sham guard And they're like, yeah, you know He's sitting right there his assistant coach So for me that's just amazing feeling Because I know when I'm dead and gone I left basketball better than how I found it Because when a kid is 10 years old

They will learn how to do the sham guard You know I'm fried, right? I'm fucked up in that. So I think of shit, you know, I grew up in the world where you had to go get like, it was a treacherous world. When I seen NBA players do the sham guard, I thought they jerked you. I was like, yo, these niggins jerking sham. That's the shab.

I was melt them tight. I'm watching them. It wasn't like you would be like, yo, he did my move. I'm like, yo, they jerking sham. That's the fucking sham guard shit. Like, yo, that's fucked up. Man, I look this shit so different. I'm not a positive thinker, man.

I looked at it. I was like, yo, they owe him money. Yeah, that's what everybody said. Everybody would be like, man, did you collaborate it because you can get money? And I'm like, I'm like, nah, for me, it's like I said, like, it's just one of the most craziest feelings in the world

because, like, I would forever be known as one name. Forever. But who was it? There was one NBA player. I was watching the game live. And they interviewed it. It was like, yeah, what's the move you did that? He said the sham guard.

Yeah, that was Westbrook. Fuck. Yeah. Westbrook gave it up. Yeah, Westbrook was like, yeah. He did the move. He did the move. And then the fucking announcer was in the oil.

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It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its fault of secrets. Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For us, we never see nobody from the hood. That's the other thing.

We're going to you, Jalen Rose, right? Richard and everybody on here, so you'll speak later, right? Yo, Shian, like, you never see the beauty of your story. We talked about Omar Cook is a coach for Cleveland now. The beauty about your story is we never see nobody from the street, street playground legend to go to the NBA. That's why Skip was so special. We all offer inspiration.

And then you go NBA, but you all. also go and you coach. Yeah. You know, that's offering a lot of hope, a lot of inspiration, and that's what makes you so dope. No, I appreciate. You know, every, you think about everybody we ever seen, you know, there's some nice guys on here.

Like, phenom. Facts. And they never do that. But the whole thing is, like, to give it up to y'all is, like, and kids could attest to this. Like we come from a place where things seem hopeless, but I saw hope. You know what I'm saying? When I see Fat Joe at the time being Fat Joe, when I see Jay-Z at the time being Jay-Z,

these is, you know, and even puffed to a point like, no disrespect, all love. Like part I've been in his life is all love. So like they gave me the inspiration because like I said, when I was in Brooklyn, I didn't see that. I saw like Rob and stealing this and that. Not saying uptown wasn't crazy. The Bronx wasn't crazy. Brooklyn was crazy. Yeah, but they also,

the thing that was different from Brooklyn to all the mother barrels is like the stuff y'all was doing, you still was getting money and you still was like looking good. Like, still like, man, I could be something. And it wasn't like, oh, Fat Joe's going to jail. Jay Z's going to jail, this and that.

Like, when I'm running around with kids, Mace, sheik, styles, all of them, like we get to see people over us that was like doing stuff that actually made money. So that's why like even in my book when I wrote, I'm like, you got to be careful who you say, who's the hero and who's the villain, right? Because I grew up with drug dealers

that when I became nice in basketball, paid my mom's rent for two years. So do I think they're a hero? Do I think they're a villain? You know what I'm saying? I went to Providence. You know, one was on America's Most Wonder. He was number three.

and I never knew that. I'm in the park elbow on him, talking stuff to him. I think he's a mass murderer. You know what I'm saying? But he always told everybody in the hood. He wouldn't hurt you. Yeah, everybody in the hood.

He was like, yo, make sure a sham play ball, make sure a sham is good. So those are people I grew up around. So it's hard for me to always be like, so that's why when I tell kids it's easy for me to coach them because I give them the dead truth and say, yo, this can happen, that can happen.

But if you let me help you, I can help you. You can still say, what you want like with Kairi like when it was me and Ka. It's like, yo, you can still say what you want, but let me help you because the worst thing you could do is say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you. Say that again?

I need a glass for this. You can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you. Two tell a felon where you at, man. So my whole thing in life was always to try to let people understand me because I know I would never be perfect. We all not perfect. I'm going to fail short even when I try to do good. but if you have people that can understand you,

at least they can say, you know what, I ain't really with that, but I understand what you got going on. So I'm just leave it alone. But when they don't understand you, that's when the confusion start and the madness start. And now it's problems. You know what I'm saying?

Which you see in Harlem all day with my brothers that I try to make sure get on the same page. It's just like with Mason Kim. Like kids, no, I'm just like, yo, we got to get together, bro. Like we are family. Like if something happened to me, your family's going to be upset. Something happened to you.

My family's going to be upset. Even if we don't speak, my family, my son and them still call you uncle. I say that about hip-hop. So I don't know where it started. Where they try to put a false narrative. Yeah, all rappers don't get along and all that. But when somebody says- They don't.

I'm with this. Grumpy uncle. Grady, right? Yes, yes. But say something real sad that recently happened. Little John's son. I don't know him, but I felt bad instead of a mean prayer for Little John because Little John's my brother and I love him.

I didn't know his son. But we got like a bond. It goes deep in their rap. That's not a rapper. That's the father losing his sons. Yeah. If you got any type of heart. But he's also a rapper.

Yeah. So what I'm saying is. lost his son, for me, is no longer little John. This is a guy that I put myself. I mean, I can't imagine that feeling. So fuck the rapist, huh, Jay, that? A little bit. He said it's bigger than rap.

He said it's bigger than rap. Yeah, as a man, man lost his son. But it's just like, you know, like basketball and rapping is like cousins. So, like, it comes from the most competitive place, right? because you're still going to have the street guy that think he better than the guy that's in the NBA and then the NBA guy going to be like the street guy to understand what it takes to make it

so it's always going to be competition there's always going to be competitiveness so that's why it gets confusion it's just like you said when you went to the club and you see other people everybody face fight but everybody in the same struggle but nobody talking about it so they think they're coming from two different places

and they're really not right so that's why like in Harlem. There's no person in Harlem that ever played basketball that I haven't been in the gym with or try to steer the right way, whether it worked or not. It's like, yo, I'm always here. I'm always, because when I left school early out of college,

I wish I had somebody here for me to be like, nah, just stay one more year. Just hold on. You know, everything's going to be all right. You know what I'm saying? But when we come from, if you got your mom made up, everybody like, oh, man, that's what's up.

You should do it. Then when it don't work, they're like, man, you was bugging anyway, bro. I don't even know why you did that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, we come from, especially like jailing with the Fab Five did. Like, if they had NIL, they had to be rich before they.

They owed them. Yeah. So you feel they all they jerked them? They owe them. Yeah. They old them. You know, the world ain't fair. The world ain't fair.

Yeah. You still actually to this day, we have that UM game, the championship football joint. And they still like, do you think it's right? They think it's right. They got paid because these colleges been selling tickets, selling jerseys, and these kids ain't been getting shit.

And they been like, all right, guys, thank you. And not only that, these jerseys, they fat five. Your jersey's still selling. Well, the one thing about sports and money is, and I've talked about this a lot, so I'm not like interfering with things that I have going on because I've been talking about just for 30 years. The only sports to have salary caps are black lid.

Wow. First off. So that's basketball and football. Those are the only sports are salary caps. Baseball, golf, NASCAR, tennis, you can keep naming. They do not have a salary. That's the first thing. Holy shit.

He's correct. The second thing is they have no after high school restriction. And so that's a residue of slavery. It's because we're going to get money off of you for multiple years for free. There's no way around. How can we start? We've got to start a union, the coalition. Yeah, but they're going to start.

They're doing it now. They're getting paid now. No, but he just made it offender. Yes. And so what happened in the game is it became so obvious because of social media and because of information. It's like we're making billions of dollars. We've got to pay them something.

That's how it ended up happening. And so for the player, like, you're an artist. You guys are artists. We've been dead bulls the wood. Right. And y'all don't think it. That's where I'm going. Like, I have a rape and pillage.

And no, no shots or no shade or whatever, like, whatever. But I'm just, like, real spill. Like, I have a free lock shirt. No doubt. Like, I have one. Let the locks go. Yeah. And what ends up happening in the entertainment is we're the worker, we're the talent,

but we're not the owner. And that's the same thing in sports that happened with the NIL. So I'm happy to see players now getting paid off of their name, image, and likeness. But if you notice, you still got to pay the system. Like NFL players, you have to be three years removed from high school to go to the NFL. A lot of people don't realize that. Maurice. Correct.

Got messed up. Correct. You can't go straight from the NFL after your sophomore year. When you had your best year. Correct. You have to wait three years. so the system can profit off. It's the same thing with basketball.

Like, NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, that you can come out of high school and be productive in the league. But they still don't allow you to do it so that you can heed the system and they can make money off them. And so I sit on a table about this for a long time for 30 years. And the greatest trick that the media, played on society is that the fafi with some dumb negroes that went to michigan who's on a honor roll i say that yeah that was the that was like the biggest trick

and we didn't have like social media i couldn't say nothing i'm like i'm on the dean's list like they're treating me like i'm some dumb and i took that personal so i'm happy that they're allowed to be paid right now and but if you notice the NBA still got a salary cap. NFL still got a salary cap. I never knew that. So that's how they say you learn something new every day. And both of those sports are like

75%, 80% black black. You can name on one hand a black owner. It's like, oh, you're Michael Jordan, you're one of the greatest of all time so you can be an owner. Is there a black owner in the NFL? I don't think it exists. No. Magic is partially, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Magic's

different, though. That, yeah, he, you could do anything your bad. What Kanye says? Don't say it. But you, but you like, to your point, it's like, I remember in 12th grade, me and Steph, we met with Spike Lee for he got game. So a lot of people don't know, like, it's based on, like, part of Steph life and then off my name.

He wanted to name the character, God. And he was like, when he saw me playing LaSalle, he came up with the idea of, like, oh Jesus, shut the word because he wouldn't say God or whatever. And me and Steph auditioned. And then he was like, oh, I'm going to give you our part. But he was like, the problem was if we took the role, we'd be NCAA ineligible because we was getting paid.

So that's why Steph ain't even do his own movie. And Ray Allen was going to the NBA so he could do it. So that's what people don't know about, like how the whole movie thing came about. And Spike talk about this. It's not me just saying. It's Spike talked about how he saw me play with a little style. And then he got the idea of like, he was like, man, he got that name.

And he's good in basketball. And then instead of using God, he's just Jesus shuttle. And that's what I want to ask you, Kiss. And I'll ask you, Joe, because I see a lot of, like, articles about streaming and how they're not doing the artist justice per se. Like, the artists say, we can have like a. billion. This literally reminds me of the NCAA and NIL

when I see this about artists. It's like, you can sell a billion streams but make like 50 cents. Well, I don't even understand. I don't even know if they made a book. I don't even know if there's anywhere. They just made up

their own rules with shit. Am I right? I don't know what the fuck they're doing. And I don't mean to bring up a sort of topic. But this is how I felt. This is how I felt. If you go to any, maybe the higher rough, you know, you go to Paris and Vivendi and somebody like that and some type of people can explain it to you.

But I'm almost 97% sure if you just ask any of your friends, other artists, athletes, and they're never going to be able to explain it to. It's one of them. That's crazy. So that's the equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so now it's pay for play. So Fad Joe's a great high school player, and he's going to pick a school to go.

Now they're picking the highest bidder. But most of the players aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what made us different is we would have been selling barragees. Black socks. Or like we were jerseys, like we were selling product. Artists, y'all are selling product.

You know what I'm saying? So I don't understand how I can buy your your song or your album, but you don't get paid from it really. How does that work? We've been sold out from the forefathers. And unfortunately, We're trying to give her viz for what they did

I'm trying to figure Is that a flag or something? Why you laughed at that? Why are you laughing at that? Because, uh, go ahead. I want to hear why you look, why you found that funny? Because I don't,

they didn't sell us out. They didn't, they didn't know what happened. They didn't know. They didn't know, what happens is we've been sold out by the four fathers. And unfortunately,

in the black and Latino community. It's like when you watch a bunch of kids playing with the ball and the kid goes, my ball, you can't play with it, my ball. Both daddy thought he was the only person that could make a dollar. The whole entire industry, he wanted every dollar you could think of.

Right? A couple of other guys wanted every single dollar you could think of. So it wasn't like each one teach one. it was like, yo, play the Rubik's Cube to you fucking crack the code. So no one, to this day, no one told me you can get a dollar like this.

It's definitely not a game that passes on Intel. But there's people who knew it. There's no, there's people, and I love everybody. I'm not throwing shots of puff or nobody like that. Somebody like, no, I didn't mean that. I did not mean that. What I'm trying to tell you is I didn't mean it in that way. What I'm saying is the man wanted to be the king.

Everybody wanted to be like a king, and they wouldn't tell you. So we're going like this. I said this before puff was ever in trouble. And he's a big inspiration to me. So, you know, but I'm in my video with bottles of fucking sarat. I'm wearing Sean John. I'm wearing this. I don't know what the fuck going on.

next thing I know he's selling these shit for a billion dollars and so we're influencing the streets they look and they're like oh we need to get that sweatsuit we need to drink that sarat we need that they fucking named the whole Cocoa Loso after fucking fabulous I don't think he ever got a dollar huh I wrote the bitch

look we're not here pointing that puff right what I am saying is It was another topic. Hold on. What I am saying to you is... You wrote the Benjah? I sat down. Yeah, he wrote everything.

Yeah, he wrote everything. He wrote his part. He wrote his part. I wrote my part of... Somebody I respect to the highest level in the universe who I don't think, but I know is highly intelligent. It's Russell Simmons. And I used to ask him when I was younger.

I'd be like, yo, why we ain't got no black? distribution. Why we ain't pressing vinyl he's been like, Joe, you really don't want to be asking that question. This is the guy who... That's like us asking about NIL. No, but never giving it, never get to the

bottom. But he'll tell you don't even ask that shit. I'd be like, yo, what do you mean? It's the reason why nobody got the shit. They don't want nobody to get that shit and this. And then you heard about people trying to make moves like that and they always got in trouble with the

or some scandal came out, you know, they're scandaling motherfuckers forever. We talked about somebody we knew in the back, in basketball. They been scandaling niggins forever. Like, okay, you're getting too loose? Wacko Jacko. So that adds a question that I have for you, gentlemen, because there's a dope bar that I love.

You know dead rappers get better promotion. Am I lying? Right? So I want to ask you with Big and you with pun because like those are two of my favorite artists that rest in peace aren't here anymore. Like, would it you, and I'm going to start with you kiss, like see in Big when he was alive

and what disappointed you about how he was projected after he died? Because that's your line. what I saw when he was alive was a good guy that took care a lot of people very humorous unlike the stuff me and crack just said

he did put myself and my brothers on to all of the powers that beat in the discrepancies and what to look for from Ditty and how he was going to be and this and that and you know what I mean? How to be an artist and how to conduct

yourself things like that. That's what I I was able to learn from him by time being able to spend with him. After he passed, I got that line kind of off of him and punt. Puff was able to sell 10 million off the No Way Out album after the passing the pick. So I've seen a lot of people. Just claim to be cooler with them than they were. One of the things I don't like, one of the things I don't like is through all of the

through all of the, whoever, and glitz and shit, some gigglers. People don't have the relationship with his kids. It'd be so cold. Everybody was big,

man, and this and that. They didn't know his kid's number. They never spoke to his kids. They don't got his birthday. They don't. So that's the crock of shit right there. But it's a lot of that that goes on with this industry.

There's a lot of smoking mirrors. When you come across some good people that do good business and you're able to have a relationship outside of music business. Stay tight with them and everybody else. Fuck. What about you, Joe? Big pun.

Yeah. Complicated. After he died, there was no more money. So it wasn't like, you know, I never made a dollar from him. He passed through. Really? That's a fact. Really?

Never made a dollar. One of the dopest MCs. Yeah, but, you know, What happens is I just seen, and I want to quote this right, but I breeze through, but I knew what he was saying. I just saw an interview with French Montana said he sold 65 million records that still don't got a or you. This shit is raping you records. We'll be raping. Rape you raping.

No, this shit will be raping you, raping you with this shit here. 65 million records? That's what French Montana. said. So what I'm trying to tell you is the only... Similar to the NBA. Correct. Correct. It's actually worse. Worse. It's like college. You guys got a union.

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you know like I got an album to me is a big deal sold 2 million records on Atlantic records and it's 20 something years that I never see a fucking dollar from this album like to this gay

but I learned the business and I've been independent for maybe 17 years and now if I sell if I put out an album I sell a hundred thousand record I'll make a couple a million so you got to educate yourself

and figure it out you know what I'm in Who was that? George Bush? Something happened to me, shame on me. Something happened again. Fool me once, fool me two times. Same on me. That's on you.

If you get jerk one time and you ain't learning from the process because everything in life if you get taken advantage of financially. We're going to have you like a hockey. Due to your skills and your talent. By the third season and Joe and Jada, you're going to be talking like,

I'm going to be a Harvard student. That. Let me think that's you. And so you got to learn from your mistakes and your lessons in life. And I've always been good with that. Meaning like I got a big brother that I looked up to that was a billion times smarter than me.

But he fucked this whole life up using drugs. So I never used drugs. So I could see you, you know, I grew up in a family of gambling a hollic. We ain't had shit. I remember I used to be sitting on the fucking floor, the projects. I'm laying on the floor and watching my grandmother, my grandfather, my aunts, my uncles, they're playing the number they bet, and they last and everything.

Right. And then one day, my mother hits and the number, what's the matter? My mother hits, listen, my mother hits, and she might have made $400. You only hit the number once every, like, year or two. They get you the money back. You playing every day a hundred dollars. She got to tip the lady. She played the number with.

The whole family waiting for $10, $20 all the right. Before you know it, she won $40 back up to $800 she spent. The biggest scams. Oh, you fucking with me. I did the numbers and the knowledge. And I knew these people are suckers. I'm not going to do that. And so now they booked me all the time in Vegas.

right and they're hoping you like a dophine so in any other place here we're doing this little event they walk me in there's not little no no it's huge but they walk me in through the back correct anywhere i go if i do a stadium show they walk me through the back club walking me through the back they get it's the only place they walk me to my show in the casino due to the fucking tables they want me to catch that dog No fiend. If I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there. And I'm betting all the shit they just gave me back in that table.

Wish yourself good luck. I'll be by the table skip for the dude. Ah, skip a dee day. Where the free food at? Like, we're the buffet. Glyzzy's. You got me. But that's, but that's, but that's, yeah, kid.

Yeah, Joe. But that's a little bag for glitzis. But that's, but that's the, uh, that's the, uh, That's to your point. That's residual income for you, man. You've been throwing the flags at me for that glizzy talk. But that's to your point. It's like when you grow up in the hood,

you get so stuck in the pain for what happened that you can't see the things that could be better, right? So like, for me, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard, right? So, like, even in my book, I talk about, like, you know, because people always ask me about my relationship with my father. My father's here. So, like,

so my dad, he was talking about. Not our pop. I love pop. You're talking to that shit with me. I always like to learn. So like all the stuff, all the stuff he'd been through, you know, when I was young, our relationship was like up and down because he went to jail and stuff like that. There are things that happen, you know, me not being a man at that time, you know,

you look at him and blame him for what's going on, right? And then in the 11th grade, you have a son and then it changed your life. And then you figure, like, man. 11th grade? Yeah. So it's like, it's not always. it's not always his fault because he was going through stuff and he was going through his own stuff and trying to figure out his own stuff

and then while he was in jail, finished college and all that stuff and now, you know, as a man, you know, he's one of my best friends, you know, because I treat my kids and stuff like that. But what he don't know is just like all the stuff he went through was the example for me not to go through. Exactly. So through his pain and his trials and tribulation, it made me successful as a person

then made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and just always get up and like, you know, next day going to be better, you know what I'm saying? And just push that to the limit. So that's why I always try to pay it forward. And like I said, you know, I know, I know, a y'all podcast, which is amazing podcasts. We hear about Charlie Rose podcast, gang.

No, no, no. And we hear to talk about the McDonald's American game. And that was like one of my first stepping stone to the NBA because I looked at Jalen Rose and the people before me. I was like, man, the dudes that make it to the McDonald's or American game, go to the NBA. And, you know, all the stuff my father went through. I was just like, like I said, the one thing he did always teach me, you know,

being a five of a center and stuff like that, it's always have discipline and always have knowledge of yourself, right? So I had knowledge of yourself since I was like six years old. Yeah. So. I look at Ha ha ha! So I always

had knowledge of yourself since I was young and I was always proud to be black, right? So that's why when I went to Harlem it was so impactful because it was the Apollo, the 125th Street,

Jada Kits and them was always at the mark 125, you know what I'm saying? Even though they was my age, they was doing something I've never seen before, like putting words together and stuff like that.

So it was always like, mad love and mutual respect for them because it was just like, man, these dudes is going to blow up. I didn't know how they was going to blow up, but I'm like, man, these dudes in the hood is smashing. You know, whether it was him, maize cam, and the, so as me going forward, I was like, okay, my first stepping stone is to just make McDonald's or American.

So that's why I was just pressed because I was like, if I could make that, then my odds to go up, right? And I remember when I got the call over the loud speaker because that's when, and at this point, you didn't take the same position from the same city. Right? So I already knew Steph was going to be McDonald's American. Steph was the best seventh grade, best eighth grade, best ninth grade, best two grade, best 11th grade.

So I was like, man, I was like it might be impossible. I got to work hard because at that point they didn't take the same position. We both as point guards. So when I got the call over the loudspeaker, Steph was like the second person that told me I made McDonald's America. And that's all I wanted to do because I wanted to make my father proud. I wanted to make my father friends. I wanted my father friends to go tell him like,

yo, this is your son. You know what I'm saying? So like for me, through all the childhood tribulations, I sing, but like I say, like we're in the hood and stuff, I always knew like it could be better.

And I was like, I know what I, I didn't know what I wanted to become, but I said, I know what I don't want to be. And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to walk up to me. Like I used to see them walk up to people,

I look up to him like, man, he used to be nice. So that's like a big insult to me. Like when somebody's saying you used to be, you used to be. Talk about it. You know, you kid used to look at fat Joe like, shit. I'm flying right now, Ister right now.

Don't play that shit with me. I got all my teeth. All my, all my teeth. I got all my teeth. Don't play that shit. It's been a lifetime dream. Yeah. People get runs and then they get played that.

And then they remember they used to this. Not me. You called it a cast. So that's why I'm proud to be McDonald's All-American because to this day, those are my brothers, like Steph, KG, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, you know, probably the same

Jellner can speak to his class, like, those are my brothers. Like, when I see them, it's all-in-law and- Got a question for y'all. He brought it up. It was the Joe and Jada show. I love you guys. Paul Pierce

thinks that if he was in his prime, there would be no LeBron James. But that's just the rivalry. He doesn't really. I went to bed one night and I was like, I went to bed one night. It was like Michael Jordan is nothing. I'm going to crush him.

Please. No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me finish this. There's a underdog. There's a favorite and an underdog. Yes, sir. You won't. Yeah, good question.

This is a dandy for good. Pierce things. And if he was in his prime, it would be no LeBron James. Case in point or whatever. He says he made LeBron James team up with D. Wade and I'm going to go down to Miami because they won them two chips in a row. He said, I was past my prime and I forced him to go down to Miami and play with them because we had the game on smash. So honest, Smash is all right. So, y'all'm old school.

No, no, no. I'm from full show. What I'm saying is, can y'all both answer it? Yeah. As honest as possible. I'll start with you, Sham. God, do you think that Paul Pierce

if he's at his prime, LeBron James' dog got to wait six years for a chip or something? Nah, that's why I threw the flag because, you know, Paul is my McDonald's old American guy and that's my brother. But the reason why LeBron went to with Miami is because

Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen came to Boston. If Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen don't come to Boston, then Paul Pierce never get a ring, and there's no reason for LeBron to go anywhere. So when he said LeBron went and teamed up with somebody, it's not that he went in team double somebody, but somebody

came and teamed up with him for him to win a ring. So you got to have the same grace for the next man that goes to someone else. Listen, what you think? One of my favorite verses came from big. And that's like, as I look at you, gentlemen, it literally just came to me when he was like,

if you sling, crack, rock, or you got a wicked jump shot. Because we idolized what you guys do and many artists wish they hooped. Like, Jay the Kiss was literally just talking. Like, I wanted the hoop, but, like, I didn't get the offers that I want. Like, I heard Kim talk about it.

I heard multiple people talk about it. But to your question, Paul literally said he was past his partner. so therefore nothing stopped for LeBron at that time the Pistons were a couple of years older

and like LeBron is his goal stat and he earned that he's not better than Michael Gordon no no but he's gold static can't do that

what you think Jada kiss you always make a funny why you heard that and you squinted he said they both said I think you're a liar and deep on the side in your heart, you think LeBron's better than Jordan. I think so. Because outside of this conversation come up,

no matter who the fuck is here. He always give me a Twitch. I'm MJ. I'm MJ forever. Very smart, very calculated, man. But you're fucking, you know, like that cop interrogation, you did it.

You had the bottle in the store. You had the fucking bottle of the store. So, as somebody that played against Michael Jordan, played against Kobe played against LeBron I want to just tell you guys something there's nobody better than Michael talk slow to him

I want to be very clear you're with us now huh Rich Paul in here he's like there's a reason why you're wearing his shoes and he ain't played in 30 years I agree there's an actual reason

just think about this and I know the cool kids say pause now so I thought it out there But this gentleman played basketball with his tongue hanging out. Just think about, you can't walk from this stage to the back with your tongue out without biting your tongue. Just think about that. So Jordan was- You're convincing the wrong man.

So you're wearing his shoes. You're preaching to the converting. I'm telling you why you're wearing his shoes. It's not just because he won the championships. Like Jordan had that sexy, that fly. He showed up with the blazer. had the Ferrari parked it in the arena, played with his tongue hanging.

Like this, this is iconic. Part two to your answer. This is why I say Kobe Bryant's the second best of all time. I was standing there when he scored at 81. I know. I know. And the thing is, there ain't no highlights.

There's no highlights in that game. Let me give you a full. No hit record. And he sat down for the fourth. Ain't no hit records in that game. He sat down for the fourth. Let me, he's slainston. I mean, he did not sit down for the floor.

I go. Oh, so that wasn't that game? No, no. That was against the math. No, that was against the math. Yeah, 65. Sat down the whole four. That was against the math.

That was against the math. So we played. That was a warm up. So what here's, so I want, I want to highlight what you're saying. Kobe was on a heater that month. Like, I looked at the schedule, and I'm going to do a story time. Like, we weren't legal then.

We was not legal. Weed. Marijuana? Yeah. marijuana was not legal. Cannabis. And our team might have been a little bloated trying to pass the test that night

because they were there to test. I'm literally going to- So you're making excuses behind the 69? There ain't no excuses. Kobe's my, that's my little brother. Like, if you Google right now who was Kobe Bryant's favorite player when he was in high school, it was me. Hey, make some noise for that. There's some noise.

If you Google that right now, it was me. So that's my little brother. Like, I'll never forget, we was working out of UCLA, and y'all know this is artists. We was working out and doing our thing, and we felt like, yo, we're going to go to the birthday in Santa Monica and get massages and, like, rehabilitated. hey, get in the steam and whatever. But what I didn't know, his ass was going back to the gym. And he didn't tell me. So I was going to L.A. to kick it.

So we worked out in the morning. You know this, coach. That's why you laugh. So, like, we go work out in the morning, and I'm thinking, like, we're done, and I'm doing the L.A. thing, his ass went back to the gym and didn't tell me. He did that every fucking day. I got a story for you. I come up in Jersey.

I parked the car in the garage. I'm going to see my man. He's one of them buildings that you go to the lobby and you got to take the other elevator to go to the 30th floor or something. You've got to get out in the lot. I got to keep this around me for you sometimes, Joe.

Okay. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right. Right? I come out in the lobby and there's 30 people that live in that building surrounded the front desk. So, of course, I go be nosy. I'm like, yo, what's going on? The security, the doorman,

is watching the little black and white TV. It's the finals. So I'm watching the finals. If you ever wondered one time you ever said, what were other people thinking at this moment? I happen to be there by mistake with 30 people watching the basketball finals. So I go over there,

guys watching Asian people, white people, like everybody, the whole lobby is wearing pat watching this little TV. They down two points, right? The Lakers are down two points. The other team got the ball. So they're about to throw the ball in. Kobe jumps over something, hits the guy,

the ball hits the guy and goes, so a whole 30 people, ah, ha, ha, ha, everybody's crying. I'm like, they're still down to they got the boy. Why are you crying at this point, guys? Because you knew

that motherfucker was going to curl and hit that three in your face. That boy got checked in. He did the curl and shot that three in their fucking face. The whole 30 people knew exactly what was going to happen with Kobe Bryant.

And this is why I say he's the second best. This is why I say, right? So, like, what people understand is, it goes back to, like, what kids was talking about were big, right? Or when his untimely demise is, like, when I see people act like they were more cooler with him than they were, it, like, bothers me to this day because, like,

McCorme first came back from overseas. Small circle. I'm the first person that he met, right? We played ABCD together. And his father, I was dribbling and stuff. His father was like, yo, can you teach my son how to drill? He was like, and this is not me talking, because I ain't talk about it in 20 years.

Kobe said it in his retirement in Boston. So Kobe said it out of his mouth. He retired. He said it. He was like, so when I first man, his father was like, hey, can you teach him out of dribble? He was like, my son got everything, but he really can't dribble. And I was like, who's your son?

And we had a game that night in ABCD. And this dude, like chewing gum, walking like Jordan, and talk like Jordan and at this time I just made McDonald's American. I was like, he's shooting all the balls. I'm like, yo, who the fuck is this shooting the ball? This is supposed to be my team right now

and we're in Jersey. So I'm like, I'm home. Like, this is my joint. And his father was like, you know, he's just learning here, junior. At this time, Tim Thomas is the guard. Like, number one playing in the country. There's nobody touching Tim Thomas. So then

Cole was coming in to prove points. So I'm like, all right, you know, I get up every morning to work out. I do this, I do my own routine before camp start. So he's like, all right, what time you want I'm near? And I'm being smart as I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be there five in the morning. No one, I ain't going to be there five in the morning. So I get there like seven. He full sweating already.

Like, oh, what we go? So he actually came at five. He came. He's just working out. He's not mad that I came two hours later. He's like, what we're doing? What are we doing? What are we working on?

So I'm showing them. to crossover, do all this stuff. And at this point, he's like a sponge, right? So he's just learning all this stuff. And I'll never forget, like, his first year in the NBA, my first year in NBA, if you look on the highlight when he dunked on Ben Wallace, I'm right here on the baseline next to Ben Wallace.

And I'm telling Ben, like, yo, he's going right to left cross. I showed him, he's going right the left cross. So then he crosses, come down and dunks on Ben Wallace. And he's like, and at this point, you know, you're ABC and you young, all the kids are like, you know, not hating on them, but you know, we tease people, you're like, oh, you think you Jordan, you think this, you think that. And he was like, what? I'm going to be better than Jordan.

Are you crazy? He was like, Jordan, shoot 1,000 jump shots. I'm shooting 2,000 mates. So you got to think, at 50% he just shot 4,000, right, a day. Not this is drive. So, like, when he gets into NBA and they start calling him Showtime and him and Shaq and all these people, beefing and all that. He was already so immune to it whereas Colby used

to get on the bus with headphones on with no music just so he can hear people talk about him. Right? This is how vicious he was. So like when people talk about him, it's kind of like, for me it's personal it's like the thing with Steph. Like I seen him at that age

like where he was shooting like you said, the discipline. He was shooting 2,000 jump shots back then. He wanted to play against Jell and Jerry Stackhouse. And Jerry Stackhouse him in high school back then. It was like, no, I'm the guy. Like, don't compare me to this person, that person. So, like, that right there made me and him to, like, to a 25-year relationship to where, under his timely demise, I was training his daughter, right? So I have a picture

in my house where it's me, his daughter, the other two girls. I have a picture of my eyes right now. Everybody in the picture is dead, but me. Because they was on the plane, right? So it's like, And the crazy thing about what his daughter was, he flies me to L.A. He's like, he called me. He's the only person to get a door. He called me. He's like, hey, I need you to train my daughter how to dribble.

And this time, I'm working with the math. This story is crazy. I'm working with the math. The kids know this story. So I'm with the math. He's like, yo, I'm going to fly you to L.A. I want you to work my daughter out 100 girls. And I'm like, what girls?

He's like, my girls team. I got like four of them. They're going to go to Yukon. I'm like, great. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, I get there. He's like, hey, we're going to start practice at 6 in the morning. He said, we're going to do 6, 8, 8, and 12.

So I was like, you want them to work out 6 hours? And he was like, yeah, he was like, I only want them dribbling. And I was like, oh, they can't dribble 6 hours, bro. He's like, no, we're going to do 2 hours at a time. I just want them dribbling. I go there, I start working with his daughter. She's just like him. what you got coach what you got coach now all the parents is there watching me train them 8 o'clock come

coach just dropped the ball take his door to walk out come back i'm like you know we're gonna do some shoot no he's like nah i just want to dribbler i'll take care of the shoot it just want them dribbler she's like what we got and i'm like oh they can't do this the whole week bro and she was like every day i walked in there coach what we got we got we got more oh i'm coach look look at I learned this from earlier. Like, so that's why when all the stuff happened, it was just so, like, unsurril for me because I meet people today that talk about,

yeah, you know, cold this, cold, my God, this that. They don't even know, they actually introduce them to their sister. So it's kind of like what kids said, like you're saying you know somebody or somebody, your best friend or your mentor, how you don't know their sister, right? And I just saw his sister like a month ago, and she was just like,

it's so crazy how when we was in high school, my brother used to come to the house and be like, yo, this is the move sham got I be doing. This is the move sham got to be doing. So, like for me, it's like, like I said, it's no better feeling like all the stuff I went through, you know, going to the NBA, not finishing, whatever. It's like, God just had a bigger plan for me, right?

And when I was young, the only thing I wanted to do is inspiring people. I wasn't thinking about being rich. I wouldn't think about that. because to Joe's credit to like Jay Z's to the rich porters of the world and all that that's all I got from Harlem was inspiration so that's the only thing I knew that was concrete right is to inspire people so when the things happen like Wacob and the people that was put in my life to even being on this podcast right now to the Mark Cubans of the world to being a part of rock nation stuff like that it's like there's no better feeling for me right

So it's like everything I asked for, I always say I've got. So that's why I'm like real big on being spiritual and real big on knowing this is bigger than me. What I'm saying? The newest tracks. Let's go. New music. And the next big thing. Always on the new music first.

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Yes, sir. And shout to Rock Nation. Joe and Jada. Yes, sir. Favorite show and family. And shout to you, Shamm, because one of the things that gets overlooked about, like, this union is like the level of respect you have to each other. And how hard it is to be fat, Joe and Jada kids and God, shame is not. and I don't want to get too preachy or like too therapy or whatever

but like you gentlemen are successful yes and what ends up happening in our community it ends up happening with you know notable figures and sometimes we underestimate what they had to overcome to be who they are that's that's a real thing like Jada Kiss, I know this human being has overcome some stuff.

This fat Joe and he acts like it's because of this crack where he stood up. It's overcomes some stuff. Right? God, sham God has literally overcomes to stuff. And the beauty of this audience and the beauty of this opportunity

is to like inspire people. That's really what we want to do to serve. Like when you make, music. I hear you talk about this all of the time. You've got so many hit records that you got inspired the people. And I just want to go back because they twist

out your word. Shout out the ditty. I ain't throw no shot to it because you know how they twist your shit. We're not going to kick you on you down. He's with my guys in jail. So he was really, really good. Kicking why you down? Shout out to the soldiers in four dicks over there down.

What would you be? And those way more vehicles on on the street. Where would y'all be if you had Instagram? Where would Oh no, forget about it?

I want everybody answers, where would you be if you had Instagram back came out? Yeah. Say that again? Where would you be

if you had Instagram at at when you was coming up? Lean back. Well, first of all, I'd be in jail. I wouldn't be here. Yeah, I would be here.

I'd be in jail. I wouldn't have a wife. I agree. Oh, it said it fucked me up. That would be the worst thing for my life. Financially, I'd have been like, Despacito. Like, man, that shit would have been over a billion served.

That leaned back on Instagram. Imagine everybody you would have seen churches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the most fat, friendly dance you ever seen in your life. Facts. That shit would have been out of here. How did lean back happen? man, they keep telling us we got to go really quick.

They're not leaving. The Jamaicans was killing the game. So they had a signature plane, a rockaway, a underran, a running man. And that shit. So when we came up with the beat, me and Scott Storch, we in Calais Studio. And I was like, yo, this shit got to be a simple hook. And they didn't know yet. Stuff we know now, we didn't know.

but I knew that I had to make a simple hook that even a little kid could sing. And we spent on top, I don't give a fuck about all that. And I just say, yo, and they'd be looking at me like, crack, what you think? I'll say, man, my people don't dance.

We just pull up my pants and do the rock. A lean back. A lean back. A lean. And he was like, yo! That shit crazy! And it was out of here.

We repeated it twice. And that's how I learned how to make hits, like, make it rain. And, you know, like, even when, if you think R&B, let me get real quick. But when you got records where they're like, they tell you that ain't it. Yet, like, when the R&B singers are blowing to the point of we can't even mimic it. And, like, that's not a hit. It got to be something that we can sing along to even though we can't sing. You know?

You know, like, it's hard to sing, and I am telling you, I'm not going. Hey, before wrapping up, who had the best McDonald's American class? Right? Also, shout Rock Nation,

shout McDonald's All-American. Yes. Get your fries, extra salty, well done. No, no, no. Who's 96? Who's the... 95 is the best McDonald's of American class. Who's 95?

I might have been off for you. God, Shamogart. Stefan Marbury, Paul Pierce, Antoine Jameson, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, Tractor trailer, Chris Clack, Chancy Billups, Lewis Bullock. What's 96, Matt? 96 is Jermaine O'Neill, Kobe Bryant. Steve Nash. No, no, Steve Nash. That's the drive.

You're talking about the drive. You're talking about the high school. McDonald's American. Jimane O'Neill Stag Jack Rip Hamilton That next year Yeah that's the next year

Rip Hamilton Shahim Holloway We had arguably The best dunker ever Pence We had arguably one of the best dribbler's ever Me That's the best dunker

You had You had Stefan Marbury Culture Changer Yeah You had Kevin Garnett That changed the whole algorithm Yeah Wow

You had Choncy Billos big shot. Yeah. You had tractor trailer. Rest in peace. Be rest in peace. You had Paul Pierce.

The truth. Ron Mercer. Yeah. Well, we... That's a crazy class. When you answered the question, this ain't that. That ain't this.

It's cracking kiss. God damn. Make some noise for giggling this sham guard, you heard. So, McDonald's All-American the dot. Yes.

This year Steppenack That three McDonald's All-American So we represent We got the Ratliff twins And we got one more They go into USC And he going And the other dude is going

To Michigan State So I need to ask one question On the walk out Because I got to take an old man piss I got to ask my brother Kissed Guy Rizzy Sky Rizzy

You know that ain't even I looked it up That ain't even for when you got a piss You'll be saying She's for no reason You. Flag on the plate. So I got a question for both of y'all.

Who they let me ask my question? I love you, Joe. I got to go use the baffle. Who's the best? Huh? Your jacket is flustered. You know, this. Talk to me.

And the crazy, what the media did with the Fad Fives out here. With the BAD out here. With the BADD out here. Is the joint crack doing what? He tried to act like his name came from his crack up and that. I cannot believe you. I just want a simple question.

Who is the best female basketball player right now? Candace Parker. Right? I'm saying now. Come right now. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson.

Asia Wilson. You're going Asia. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson. You're not going Caitlin Clark. Asia Wilson. Daughter. Asia Wilson.

You got going Juju Watson. No, you got to sit this one out, dog. I love Juju. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson No, Asia is the truth No, no All right, hold up

I love you so much I'm not gonna say that I'm not gonna say Who the Lyskin girl the pretty one? I don't give I don't care What's the name? I don't know what I'm talking about No, no I get PTSD

All right Because you're your question No So what I'm telling you I need you to sit down Who's the Lyskin girl? Let him get his question No

No, juju No, juju No, no Juju's No, she's gonna take all of them Yeah She's taking the ball She's from L. Louu from Lai

Juju from L.A., she's going to take Juja Watkins is going to take all of the mouth. I'm telling you. He's no stew. No, the white girl. What's the light-skinned girl? She played like mellow. Now Fisa?

Now Fisa. Yeah. Nice too. Now Fisa, nice. Now, Fisa, dead nice. I like the home in that. Age is the best. Thank you.

You didn't ask me who was nice. You asked who's the best. AJ is the best. There's no. There's not a double you. Player Bay to Asia Wilson. right now. There's not. Yes.

That's the fact. There's not. Now what's your question? All right. For clickbait, for clickbait, because I got to take our old man, Katie and Clark. So, come here, Joe. I got a question. Come here, Joe.

Let him get a stress. I love you very much. Come here, Joe. Because I got a street for the crowd. So, like, these are, like, legendary figures to baffle. I'm under. So that's what it is. So that's what it is.

Don't use the bad. Sky risk. So I'll ask Jada until Joe come back. Because I always wanted to know this because, like, I'm a Detroiter. And, like, Blay Icewood was our king. And then he died, you know, very young. And I saw this happen with Nipsey Hustle. I saw this happen with multiple artists that, like, died before they were able to, like, die before they were able to like in my opinion

like really killed the game. Yeah big L correct Big L is another one. So I want to ask Jada Kiss in front of y'all and I want you to give you a second to think about it. I want to know your favorite

Biggie verse because I was thinking about this on the way here. I have like like 19,000 my favorite Jada Kids verse So I know this is going to be a tough question for you. Something that he said, something that touched your soul,

something that's miserable for you. It's the story he got with Tracy Lee. Oh, yeah. The rings and things you're thinking about bring him out? It's hard to yell with the beryl in your mouth. I got a new mouth to feed. Do yourself with keys. Y'all pick seeds out your weed.

I watch Coward bleed. Motherfucking, please. It's my block and my rock. Fuck that hip-hop. The one-toos. And you don't stop me and my man Lance to Kim and Seas advanced. Four ten minutes.

Four pounds of weed plants from Branson. Now we lamping. Twelve-room mansions. Get naked off. Get money. Play his anthem. Don't forget all the kids. All the hits.

Other shit. Niggas kick. be counterfeit robin come naturally and then I was like fucking rapidly past the gathed me. Tom Farns! They don't lie. B.I.R.G. Forever.

Thank y'all. Thank y'all. Thank you all. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. You don't got to go home. You got to get the get out of the heat. And so, and so I want to ask the same question of fat Joe. And by the way, Joe is Sky. busy.

I got a discovery. Joe, you're not fat anymore. Did Jack, come up, what are we doing? I spent all my money. What's you doing, man? I got my brother Jason Terry in the building,

man. Yo, I was going to bring you up, Jason Terry. Did Jack make some noise for the championship? Jason Terry, Dallas, Maverick, Utah, Utah Jazz assistant coach. So I want to ask.

So I want to ask the same question to Joey that thinks we call him crack because he was in third grade and stood up and somebody looked at the back of his ass and he wanted to sell that to us. I love you very much. Thank you. We don't call you crack because of that.

Just so you know. We call you crack because of... What is the question, General? The question is, your favorite big pun verse. Oh. The middlewoods... I need you to get a harsh reality.

of these in life for taking toll, even Jesus Christ, for sake my soul. You ain't a killer still learning how to walk from New York to Cali or my real niggas, Cavillard Shaw. Walk you to death, won't even talk. That east of West Crap from Ross through left, rack. We still Big Pun, that still ain't a killer.

It's crazy. Rest in peace. That's my favorite big pun song. Love, love, love. Everybody else would just say, get in the middle of little, little, right? That guy, God was crazy. He wrote records in his sleep

True story He wrote records in it He would gnaw out He had that shit When you fall asleep That's Stiles P That's the ghost That's the ghost man

He put the beat on Go to sleep Wake up and go on the booth That's styles Turn on the beat Turn all the lights off The electricity I didn't get in there

Everything He wake up He got the whole song That's the craziest shit ever I thought Pum was the Punt of fall asleep, wake up and be like, yo, give me the book.

Start writing the whole song that he heard in his sleep. And I'll be like, damn, that night, he was beyond talented and gifted. And even though I discovered pun, he taught me so much. That's why I, you know, the whole game, when Big Fund passed, because he was so much better than me, they thought it was over for Fat Joe. They counted him out. What? No, everybody.

They could count. My best friends, they didn't know I went to the school of big punt. He taught me how to write. He taught me how to make kids. I got 30 minutes. I got to go get me killed. Yo, listen, everybody, Joe and Jada. Love, sports, Joe and Tater.

Love, love, love, love, love. Jaylor, love, love, love, love. We love you. Yo, Callie, what's up? Joe, Callie, what's up? Teach your son to Shamgug. Mike Dawson, All-American. Teach your daughter to Sham God.

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