Joe and Jada - Jermaine Dupri on Kris Kross & Da Brat, dating Janet Jackson, Usher’s Confessions & Mariah Carey

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by legendary Atlanta producer and founder of So So Def Recordings, Jermaine Dupri. Jermaine discusses his early days as a dancer in middle school and how dance competitions helped pave the way for him into the music business. Jermaine continues on to discuss how he made his way up in the business and how he discovered Kris Kross, Lil’ Bow Wow, and Da Brat, why he told Left Eye Lopes and TLC to sign with another label, they way he approached working with Usher on his album ‘My Way’ and the the track “Confessions Pt. 2,” working with Mariah Carey on “Always Be My Baby” and “We Belong Together.” Next, Jermaine discusses his past relationship with Janet Jackson, working with L.A. Reid and how Ray Charles and Quincy Jones led him to his vegan lifestyle. Finally, JD discusses the Magic City documentary that he produced and how the soundtrack based off of the documentary came about. Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano return to headline the most decorated boxing card in history, featuring 9 world champions and 21 titles on the line. Streaming LIVE Friday July 11 on NetflixHttps://www.netflix.com/title/82035642 Get you question answered on the showLeave us a voicemail at www.speakpipe.com/1800JOEJADA #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian. a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast from IHeart Media to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The Volume All my mind was that I'm going to make this record with Jay-Z. That's why all I was thinking about, I'm going to make this record with Jay-Z. I ain't know what the record was going to be, but I'm like, I'm going to make this record with Jay-Z. And long story short,

He came in Atlanta, and I went to pick them up. And when I'm driving to the airport to pick him up, I'm listening to can't knock the hustle. And when he say deep in the South kicking up top game, I'm like, he's talking about me. Who was he talking about? I'm riding. I'm thinking he's talking about me.

He says switching for a lane. By the way, I'm in a Bentley. So as soon as he came out of the airport, I say, yo, I'm a sample this part. This is going to be our song. And he's like, all right. It's Joe Crack, the motherfucking Dawn It's your boy Kiss

You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show This is a special edition right here You got an historic, legendary hip-hop pillar In the building With no further ado, ladies and gentlemen Make some noise for my brother, Jermaine DePree Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Hold up

hold up because this ain't a regular show guys this is royalty this is not even this this is a fucking pyramid you know what I'm saying it's a whole pyramid of Egypt sitting up I'm telling you the truth I didn't say one

I couldn't sleep last night you know what I'm saying because I was so excited I mean we love all I guess but this is a different he's got the blue Leroy glow this is royalty right this is Roy UT right here so you know jd it's an honor to have you on the joe and jada show taking the chance with

our little podcast you know we the rookies of the year most likely to succeed but um thank you for coming up my brother you all right now we go we're gonna we gonna give a little we're gonna go on a little time capsule for the people that might not know because you know we we living in a time where you have knowledge right in your hand but some people prefer to look up shoes and look up some bullshit that instead of getting some knowledge sometimes. Now, you stopped attending school and middle school to go on tour. Just talk a little

bit about what that experience was like for some people that might not know what going on tour is and for just a young-ass kid stopping middle school to go on tour. What was that even like? I mean, I actually know that's what was happening.

It just was going like, I was dancing. So, you know, the Fresh Fest was the first time they ever had the Fresh Fest anywhere was in Atlanta and they had Run DMC and all of them

this is the first show was on Atlanta shout out to Ricky Walker he was the person who actually created the Fresh Fest Fresh Fest is Run DMC obviously Houdini

Fat Boys Houdini Curtis Blow Grand Master Flash this was the first rap tour appearance The Golden This has never been an era better than this

according to me But, I mean, just my opinion, I always feel like, you know, when people start these debates, I'd be like, yo, that is it. Those are the pioneers there. But, God, you said, you was a dancing. You made it on tour. Yeah, so they had a, they also had, you know, the dynamic breakers, the New York City breakers. They had all these breaking crews on there as well. So it was like dancing and rapping.

But they needed an opener. This was at a time when, you know, they need an opener. You don't get no money. You just go out and waste them. It was starting the time off, right? It was still like that in 93. Yeah, that shit ain't changed. So I'm like, cool, I ain't tripping.

I'm like, I'm 12 years old, so I don't care. I'm going on stage. This is the first time I ever seen this many people in the arena. They gave me an opportunity to go out there and do like, I probably had like three minutes, just me dancing. That's a long time, by the way. Hell yeah. Dancing, you ain't got no routine.

You just like. I can't believe they had cameras back there. Like, they got you dancing to some of them chits, like on camera. You know how. invite who that shit is right now? BCR take me. I've seen you dancing. I've seen you personally, but hip-hop.

How would you get hip-hop in Atlanta? Because he in New York. It was only paid radio. Not even. It was Red Alert once a week and Mr. Magic. And then Awesome, too, overnight. How do you get the new shit? How do you get the new music, the new hip-hop that was coming down?

How did it get to the ATL? Well, it wasn't there when I started. This was pre-allant. You know what I mean? So how are you dancing? Like how you know, breaking was everywhere. Yeah, breaking was everywhere. You're watching Breaking, you're watching, you know,

Beach Street in these movies. But I was doing talent shows. You know what I mean? So I started doing talent shows. I was doing Michael Jackson in talent shows. So Michael Jackson routine be like two minutes. You could do it two minute Michael Jackson routine. I started doing Michael Jackson.

And then I start paying attention to hip-hop and I seen like, oh, I could add this. I can add this I just start learning things But I still weren't like great I just was good because I was 12 Right you know little kids they get away with you You get a little more of a pass here Yeah yeah yeah yeah go ahead

He's like a clown at the circus You know what I mean like go ahead Do what you gotta do So I was winning talent shows And that's what happens So I started winning all these little talent shows Around my you know around Atlanta Or I come in second place or whatever it is

And so they was like you know They was like you know let them go out there And do what you got to do So I went up on the stage and I did my perfect little time I got off I went tripping you know what I hit made them hit their time and they was like you know what we need to keep somebody to do this and I'm like

you know what I mean and I wasn't even paying attention to everything they came with it because I didn't I didn't know nothing about me getting out of school and all this I tried to do the right way but this was so early in like life Atlanta had never had an artist that would go on tour at 12 years old so we didn't even have a school system thing that was set up where they could take my grades and while I was on the road and count them as credits. I mean, I did all the work, and I had a tutor, and we tried to do it.

But when I came back, they was like, we can't accept this. You got to do that grade again. I'm like, oh, nah, no. Oh, great. And after that, I had already been to 50 cities at 12. So I was like, oh, no, I'm done. I'm done. I got to figure this out.

I got to figure it out. So then the second year, I wasn't on the Fresh Fest for three years, 84, 85, and 86. And then 86 is when I started rapping. I added a rapping to it. And by then, it was a guy in Atlanta named Shadi, who was actually from the Bronx, who was actually, he came to Atlanta.

He started bringing. He got mad every time they mentioned the Bronx on this show. He might be a slight. It might be a slight hand. Just everything's for the Bronx. You fucking want me to do. Wanted the stewards from the Bronx, if you guys there. What do you want me to do?

Yeah. Shadee was from the Bronx. Yes. Yeah, so he, you know, so Shadi came, he started, you know, he introduced me to what the Zulu Nation was, all of this, you know, hip hop, right? But I couldn't rap, I still couldn't do it, but he taught me how to, like, write my rap. So he wrote my first rap when I was on the, on the Fresh Fest, and I started doing the rap and performing, you know, performing a rap. And then that's when, you know, the rest of the guys, Houdini and all of them, they start seeing that I was more into that than dancing. So then Jam Master Jay taught me how to DJ

Like real Like really hands on You heard that? Yeah And then Grand Master Dee started showing me tricks And I just started learning from the best Like you know

Jam Master Jay man He taught me a lot You know And when I was coming up And you know I had a little flow Joe I never wanted to lead to Bronx And he kept talking to me

Yo you ever been to Detroit You ever been in Chicago You ever been Like he was trying to turn You need to get out there Joe So you can you only only want to be in the Bronx. And so rest of peace, Jam, Master Jay.

Yeah. So I want to get back to this one thing. When hip hop came to Atlanta, how did it get to Atlanta? The migration of a lot of New Yorkers. Primos from Texas, and Primo said his cousins used to drive over there with tapes of Mr. Magic and Red Alert. I'm just trying to establish. Yeah, basically it was like the migration of a lot of New Yorker start coming to Atlanta.

Like I said, Shadi is from New York. So it seemed like more and more New Yorker start coming to Atlanta. And then you start seeing like little parties and these pop up that was like, oh, this is hip-hop. But then it was also like the artist was coming. Right? The artists were coming. More and more artists was coming to Atlanta. Then they had a dance show in Atlanta that was only our local dance show.

Right. And it just, you know, how it was coming in. And we still had a radio station, which was V-103. They only played rap. Jack the rap. That's the first time I ever. been in any shit like that. That's what that glenn.

Yeah. So we have, you know, once the station, they only play hip hop on Friday night for an hour. Yeah, that's how I go. So on that Friday night and that hour, I was right there like this. Kids don't understand. They got the shit on their phone like water.

You used to have to stay up. You used to have to be on point. Bro. I never forget. Call it dropped while, wow, wow, wow. On the Thursday. Friday, I was like in Paris somewhere at a show, and they threw that shit on.

And the whole crowd was like, well, well, well. I was like, you know, it makes you think about what you only heard hip hop on Friday and Saturday, and I was like, shit, this shit across the world in one day.

But at that time, we have to look for it. Yeah. Right? The tissue and the tape over the cassette. Yeah. And over shit, yeah. You know, me, I grew up in the Bronx,

and so, you know, my guys, man. You know, my guys, we had like a public phone in front of the building and they used to break the public phone and use the electricity to put the boombox. So the bigger guy, shout out to

AJ, GP, Craig, oh, rest and peace, my brother. They used to put the boombox out and then they played an awesome tour. That was at 4 in the morning, shit like that. So I would be a kid out the window

listening to the shit overnight. Like, they would play whole other kind of music, underground music that they wouldn't play with Red Alert. So there was like my beat don't stretch before by beat don't stretch. Yes, they were. Yes, they were.

And so, see, I, so in 86, I met Chad Elliott. And Chad Elliott was part of Charles Stettler crew. Shout out to Chad. When the Fat Boys won that contest and crush grew, Chad came in second place. Yep. Yeah, he came in second place, right? So they put, so Chad, I mean, Charles Stettler was like, we need to put this kid on the tour if y'all got Jemaine on the tour, right?

So then they worked out for Chad to get on the tour as well. So then me and Chad met and we, you know what I mean? We hit it off. And then we started hanging out. And then I moved to Brooklyn with him and stayed at his house on Eastern Parkway. And that's when I start like becoming a sponge. You caught the sponge. You know, I was a kid, I never forget.

I was a kid and my aunt, my grand, my godmother, she lived in Brooklyn on the East New York and Summit. a little house but I remember the kids I used to spend all summers in Brooklyn and the kids was like yo come and we went to the projects and they had a jam and they played this record

and I guess I grew up I just didn't know right but they played this record where I actually walked up to the DJ and what and it was SOS band it was baby we can do it to get time do and I was just like that's my right that shit must have hit

every endorphin in those like I was like a kid, but I was like, yo, what the fuck is this? Like, this shit is crazy. I felt like it was only a Brooklyn thing, right? But you in Brooklyn, you caught everything. So you was here, you caught it. Yeah, and I learned, I learned, like, what was the difference between where I, you know, in Atlanta and New York immediately. Because they was bricking me with everything I had on, you know what I mean?

They was telling me I was looking like a country bum. I was, you know, niggas in East New York was saying whatever. Oh, no, they don't care. And I was going to connect. They don't give a fuck. They talk about your mom's walking in the building, everything.

That's crazy. I got chased by Decepticons and all that. So you was outside, outside. He was fast, too, and you had to get away from nothing. Yeah. At what point, it goes down,

because me personally, right? This is something I'm going to go to my death bed with, 20-some years ago I moved to Miami and every time I go to ATL I argue with myself did I make the right thing should I have moved to the ATL

I feel so at home in the ATL It's got a lot of restaurants too like Nah we love the restaurants It's just you know I love black people I love the entrepreneurialism

I love that they all Help each other The vibe is great You know The weather's everything Just every time I go to ATO I argue with myself Like I just be like damn

I was supposed to be here Huh It's hard for you I keep extending my stay I mean forever You see what I'm saying You need two more days You need two more days

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in the demographics. of New York hip-hop and ATL then you went back you were still young at 17 you discovered Chris Crows

Yeah did you think it was gonna work What was you Was you rolling the dice Or how What was you Going through at that

I mean Well Chris Crows Actually was like The works Of me Getting to that spot So I had I had a group

Prior That was called Silk Times Leather That was these two girls It was called What? Silk Times Leather Silk Times Leather

Silk Times Leather Silk Times Leather Silk Times Leather Silk Times leather yeah they actually were the girlfriends of houdini that i met on tour right so so i met them when he was on tour and they was like we from Atlanta and i'm like from Atlanta so i was young and i'm like she y'all can come pick me up you know what i mean like or whatever whatever i can come drive around i'm like oh i got some girls i can hang out with now in Atlanta you know

that's what i'm thinking in my mind and then i think herbie had just put out salt and pepper so this was like girls that was paying attention to this. And some kind of way we started having a conversation. And I never produced a record in my life. And the girls was like, you know, we want to do what it's something pepper doing. And I'm like, you should let me produce you. I never did it. I don't know why I even said it.

Because you were born. I just was paying attention to what Herbie was doing. And it seemed interesting. So I started really paying attention to what he was doing. I'm like, oh, he's writing the raps, he's making the beats, all of this. And I'm like, I could do it. So I started trying to do it, and I did it good enough where I got them a deal. They got signed a Geffin Records, right?

So they actually was the first rap group in Atlanta to have a real major record deal. Wow. You pulled that off, and then you go into crisscross. Yeah, so Chris Cross. What happened with them, though, and then? No, so we didn't really have a lot of success, but we had enough success where I got, you know, I got $15,000 so I can get some real equipment. Because I ain't have a door. I ain't open the door from me.

So when I got my real equipment, that's when I started making better beats and start getting more and more into it. Then one day me and the DJ, there's a female named Dolomix, we went to Green Brown Mall. And they had an article in Jet Magazine about the female rappers at that particular point in time. And one of the Chris's moms saw Dolomix.

And it was like, I know that girl. I just read about her. Right. But I've seen the kids, and they was walking around. around them all and people was paying attention to them. And I'm like, what's wrong with me? Charisma. I'm like, why

I don't know these niggas. I'm thinking they must be on the Disney channel or something. I'm like, I'm like, why is people acting like this? So I keep watching, move around, moving around, they're going in foot locker, they're going in foot action. They're doing all a rap shit. I'm like, who is this? And girls is giving them free

cookies at the cookie company. I'm telling you, I'm walking around watching them. It was lit before lit. I'm in there. So I'm like finally walk up to him. I'm like, yo, who are y'all? And I was like, what do y'all do? They're like, we don't do nothing. I'm like, why y'all give y'all shit? No, listen to them all. They're like, because we fresh.

And I'm like, oh, wait, what? I'm like, do y'all rap? And they was like, rap. They said that to me, like, what is that? Yeah. Who went rap? That's how they said it to me. And I'm like, and my mind just start going crazy. Like, if these niggas rap, based on what they got going on. It's over with, right?

So then I got their number And luckily their mom vouched Because she's like He's somebody Because I know that girl that's with him Right she didn't she hadn't put it all together But she, you know what I'm saying She had one of the New Jack City moments

With dude was like yo that I know that dude Right so that's what she was doing She was like I know him So I got the number And I start calling him like yo Y y'all come over my house We're gonna start making music They was like come over your house

You know what I'm saying So they was really on some you know, little hood boys that was like, we ain't going over this nigga house. Like, why are we going over his house? So I had to get, I had to convince them. So I had to go pick them up from school every day and, like, become their homie, like,

and let them see, like, I'm really fucking with y'all. You know what I mean? So we start kicking it, and I start, like, driving, watching them in the back seat, and I play records. And I'll play a record, like, Ice Cube, but something was crazy at the time. And they was back there rapping the lyrics,

like they wrote them. They know this shit. They ain't ever seen the lyrics before. How they know it? They, like, rapping it. Like, they really rapping it. And I'm thinking, like, damn, if I write a song for them and it sound good, like, they think it's ice cute. And they learn it like this.

They got to just got to work. Right? So I just started trying to figure out how that was going to happen. I, you know, I wrote so many songs that they hated. And I never got that reaction. I just had to keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. And then I wrote this song called Little Boys in the Hood. And they liked it because of the content.

like I finally got to where they wanted okay now you're talking about shit we want to talk about I was trying to do like kiddie shit at first and I was like then they start telling me about how they you know in a school kids 12 years old walking around with their socks and their socks was doubled up because they had cracking them selling you know I mean so I started hearing all these stories about these little kids in the hood so I'm like you know what when they be doing the news they don't never talk about what the kids have to go through and what they see right So I started trying to write about that based on what I was hearing them say.

And from the deal that I had with Silk Times Leather, I had met this engineer named Joe the butcher who actually owned Rough House Records in Philly. Rough house. So that's the only person I knew in the music industry that I could call and be like, I got a project, right? So I did the little boys in the hood and I sent it to Joe. And he was like, yeah, I want to sign him.

And I'm like, oh, shit, we go, you know what I mean? I got it. So he gave us a development deal It wasn't a real record deal It was a development deal to see If we can make some better records And like the night before we had to go to Philly To do like record these songs

I wrote jump I knew it when I like in the first 29 30 seconds Yeah I'm like if they pull this off It's old The second you hear When you hear that shit

You just like yo this shit Is this shit jumping Whose idea was it for them to wear? to close backwards. Because, like, left I was living at my house

at the time. This is what I want to talk about. This is what I want to talk. Like, left I had came to my house as a, as a rapper from Philly.

And she was from Philly originally. Yeah, she's from Philly. And she met this guy named Ian Burke. And Ian was like the only guy in Atlanta that I knew that was like moving around. He was like an NRA,

manager slash. He was everything, right? And if you knew Ian, Ian, somebody else. So then he didn't call me one day. He was like, yo, I met this girl from Philly. She rap. She a young girl. I'm going to bring her to your house. He brought her to my house. I liked the way she rap. But I was trying to do the criss-cross thing, but I was like, yo, I'm going to fuck with you when I get through this. I ain't have no deal. But I had all these people

believing that I was going to do it. So left, I was staying at my house. Without my mom even knowing, left, I was like living in my closet because she didn't really have no place to stay. So she was staying over there. And one of the songs I did, For Chris Cross, I sampled Michael Jackson and Paul McCart. The girl is mine, right? And I was thinking, like, I could make a song about y'all arguing about Lisa. And then Lisa was going to rap about the shit, right? And that idea I had, but it never came with life.

I kept trying to get it. I couldn't, you know what I mean? But I never couldn't figure it out. And my writing was terrible at that time. Question I have for you. Who's an artist that you slept on and became a big boy or big? big girl in the game that you you wasn't ready or things wasn't right they tried like you know Eminem gave me his demo six times and you know we ain't never seen no white boy pop off like

that so I guess I was sleeping you know after he blew up I went to dinner with him he was like you know I gave you my demo six times and I was like what and he told me every way he gave it to me at who's an artist that you could have signed and you was like damn or you wish you could have signed. Well, I mean, I tried to sign ludicrous, but I had a, I had a office full of employees, right? And at this point in time, I was feeling like my office felt like I was controlling everything. So I went there one day and tried to have an A&R meeting. And I asked them about ludicrous, and they all said no.

And I tried to go with what my office was saying. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking, this is what you're supposed to do. this is you got to let the people in the office work they was like nah jd don't sign him and i'm like well you know what they probably slept on him because he started in the radio no but i had i had already i did something for madden so the first madden game with music i did it right and they called me and they was asking me they asked me silence of flexing with the silence

they asked me for somebody to rap on it that was animated right and i'm like well i'm not animated like this um but chris was doing these radio things right and i heard him i kept hearing him do these radio commercials he was really really animated right and i say chris come do this this mad this little mad thing i'm doing for the video game and that was the first time me and chris worked together but he wanted me to sign him and i wanted to sign him you know you know what's crazy there's this guy who does commercials but he don't rap you don't be hearing him he'd be like one eight hundred you crash your goal top dog y'all i love this guy man, I don't have no clue of who he is.

Every time I is commercial, I turn it up. Like, I'll be hearing him on the radio. You crashed your gun. Your girl left you. Your leg is sideways. Top 1,800 to get you. I be like, yo, this dude is crazy. So I know what you're saying.

So ludicrous, right? At what point it turned from hip-hop to R&B? I go to the breakfast. Right after. No, right-off. Right after Chris Cross, the explosion of Chris Crush, right? I was just like, well, we got the brat, we got Chris Cross, we got Bow Wow, we got Usher, we got Mariah, we got Bone Crusher, we got... Listen, so after Chris Cross, I didn't want to be labeled as a one box producer, right?

So I was like, I got to do an R&B project after Chris Cross success. I ain't know if it was going to work, just the first time I ever did it, but I just knew that that's, what I wanted to do. I didn't want to be put in the box. So Escape Project was the first album, R&B record that I had ever written or produced or anything. And Ian brought them girls to my house and they song for me. Party on down to the S.K.

Yeah, you hit it sound like a rap song. Just kick. Yo, bro. You know, I used to be scared to fly. So I used to drive everywhere to Miami to everywhere. And so I got a certain kind of like respect for certain groups because you know it get hard on that 9-5

around South Carolina when you start seeing Pedro and shit they'd be like Pedro and you got to escape man they got me through a lot of drives that that escape was different so you so escape you wrote all that shit yeah

so I'm saying I was taking still from hip hop like kick off your shoes and relax your feet that was running the MC line I just was doing what I thought you ever wrote you ever you ever You ever wrote an R&B song? No. I never wrote an R&B song.

I never, like, I never had, I was sure that I could. He just broke it down. I can do it. Sometimes Beyonce has some witty lyrics where I'd be like, yo, Jay must have been right in that studio and gave her a bar. Like, I hear it all the time in her music where I'm just like, she's talking that shit. I said, oh, Hove must have been in that studio, gave her a bar.

You know, it's just, you know, but it's, It's something I always wanted to do because I'm a lover and not a fighter, B. I mean, like I said, if you take it, if you just listen to it, it's the same thing ultimately.

You just have to figure out the melody. But other than the melody, writing the rap and writing a song is pretty much the same. You know, LaFace goes down to the ATL, right? They're not from there, right? Like, baby face is weird, from Indiana. And, but they set up shop. Right, fell in love with ATL.

but they let everybody work with the artist they signed. You know, go to you, go to Rico Wade, go to Dallas Austin, right? And so what are some of the songs you wrote for TLC, another artist that wasn't actually your artist?

Well, TLC was my group first before they even signed in the face. Another one. Like, you know, you got to remember, left I was at my house. house, right? So, Ian brought, Ian brought Tian to my house. And then they met at my house. And

they was called Second Nature before they was called TLC. And I would have now, this is what I do regret. I regret my mind not moving fast enough because if I could have had TLC and crisscross at the same time. But I was too young to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Learning the game. I know. And it was God's time and two to believe it or not, it was like it wasn't for you like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was God's time and sometimes. But I had so much energy for the guys. I wasn't giving

the girls a lot of energy and they went ahead, had that conversation with Pebbles and they was like, you know, they had a meeting. So if you see the TLC movie on VH1, when left I make this phone call, she called me in that movie. I saw that. Yeah, they cut me out, but they, you know. No, no, no, no, no, but I saw that movie. Yeah, she called me to be like, Jady, they want to sign

what you want to do. And When she said that, I could have been like, nah, I got y'all, let's do this. But I started thinking like a producer. I started thinking like, shit, if they get signed, I could do a bunch of songs on their album, right? Instead of just trying to hold them and be, like, let them sign on my label. So I was like, go ahead, do the deal.

So their first album, I did a song called I Could Do Bad by Myself. On the second album is when I did more and more work with TLC than I ever did. But really, really a lot of that, me working with the face came from Usher's second album. The My Way album, I did the whole album. The whole album, basically. Another one. And so Usher was up here. So I remember when he was all around New York as a kid.

They snuck them in the clubs, everything. They said, I forget, what was out? Chodice. But they also had, like, hip-hop, I think, was it Black Rob's War or is it too? That was too early. They would see shit. Not because I'm trying to tell you, there's only very few. records like Black Rob's

Whoa or bawling by Jim Jones there was very few records when I was in the club that just everybody lost their mind and I remember meeting usher for the first time as a kid in the club here and they had something out there that was stupid and I remember

ushered in and I was like damn and that was but any case this was party in bullshit days back there oof this was been there he's going back before you talking about I know, I know. I'm just like, I remember Usher as a kid out here in New York

and seeing them all over. Yeah, but this guy, so the second album, so you sit down with Usher and you say, y'all, I'm going to make a classic. No, no, I don't say that. What you said?

I don't know what's going to happen. You're going to make some music. I actually don't know what's going to happen. I just know that, you know, I think they tried to make an album with Dallas. They tried to make an album Puff and the album that they wanted for his

second record, it didn't work. So they actually tell me that they was on the verge of dropping him if it didn't work with me. Right? I ain't know this, though. I start hearing this after the fact. So, you know, but there's like, you know, we want you to do what you did with Chris Cross with us. We want you to take him to your house.

You know what I mean? Make him your artist. And I was like, all right, I never did this before with R&B. I never produced nobody male R&B. So I don't know what the song's going to sound. did escape, but I ain't never do it with a male artist, so I ain't know what the songs was going to sound like. So he came, we started kicking, I started talking

and I started figuring out, okay, he just like Chris Cross almost, like he pick up instantly. If he love it, he really get it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, okay, if I write songs for him that he love, he's going to sing it he's going to sing it with his all.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. When you're talking about all these kids stars, right? Something that keeps, maybe because it's you, but something that keeps popping up to me is Monica. Right? she was just a young girl out there and she's saying like

skipping the brat I wouldn't hear that I'm not saying we got the brat we got too much to talk about but I'm just going she quits you want to go and see go ahead we hear about the brat out of it

go ahead with the monica let me go ahead with you go I'm just saying Monica was a little girl with a big voice yeah and she became a superstar just like that um did you know

like when you were she was Dallas artist I know, yeah I was breaking a lot of bread down there I knew I knew she was hot though I knew she had it and she was like she was a ghetto girl that Dallas was trying to take

into the Whitney Houston space and she had the voice to go into that space not I don't know anybody take it around I was saying she's with her no no no she had the voice to go in that space to go there

there's no question about that I've seen her I never thought I would work with her either I didn't have no idea I ever worked with Monica what joints you did for Monica I did the first night That was the first song I ever do

The first night Yo, let me tell you something Boy, this ATL royalty is that Let's go to the brat I love the brat That's my sister Let's go to the brat Let's go to the brat

First female to sell a million records Yeah, yeah So the brat situation How do you find the brat from Chicago? Yeah, yeah So Brad Brat met Chris Cross when they was on their second tour they was on another tour

after they went on a tour Michael Jackson they was on another tour right so they went on a they went on a tour and they had like what's the name Ed Lover and from

Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Lever was like the host of the tour and they had called people up on the stage and rap as an intermission between you know I think MC Light and Chris Cross right because they had put MC Light at the opening for them

and Brad Shout out to MC Light and his mom's just passed The way I love you, Light Love you Living Legend Brack came on the stage and rap

And I wasn't there And they called me Right after Lightskin, because I remember like yesterday He called me like Yo, it's female rapper

She went crazy in Chicago And I'm like I don't care about No female rappers Like Don't nobody like female rappers What?

This is what I'm saying Like this One of no female rappers Poping off Besides Salt and Pepper Like and in like street fashion of us driving around

we weren't listening to those female rappers in our cars like that just wasn't what happened so I just like nah and I thought like me messing with a female rapper was going to be the first time that my little success story was going to go wrong because I was like I just did

you was on the wrong yeah I just did crish cross I did escape and I was you know I'm saying I was moving and I was just like nah female rap I can't do it so But he kept pushing me And I was like I tell her to come to Atlanta

She came to Atlanta And she told me to come to the hotel And meet her I went to the hotel And like to meet her Like to have a conversation with it And I'm like I'm gonna take you to my house

And this is what my studio was So I'm driving her From downtown Atlanta To college park And I stop and get gas And I stop and get gas I go on the gas station I come back

She put her tape in the car While I was inside the gas station plays pan. I came back, turn the car on, and the tape started going. And I'm like, what the fuck is? Who was this rapping? And it was her.

And I was like, wait, who was this rapping? And the way she was rapping on the tape, I was like, oh, shit. She was not playing. Nah, she wasn't playing. She was really rapping. She was coming for it.

This wasn't the type of rap I thought this was. Like, she was really rapping. Like, really Chicago style, like, Twister and all of that, like that type of shit. And I'm like, that's you? And she was like, Also, you was producing, like, West Coast sounding beats for the brat. Yeah, but I hadn't started.

He didn't know what he was about the next year. Yeah, I didn't know what I was going to be. But he did it, though. Yeah, I didn't know what I was going to do. So I took it to my house. I'm like, I like you. I'm going to sign you. And honestly, Brat Project was, like, the hardest project for me because I couldn't,

I couldn't find that thing yet. I couldn't find it. I would make a song, and I played for people, and it was like, yeah, whatever, whatever. And then I just stopped paying attention to who she was. like she'd be outside my house and like it was cold so we'd we like um take all the water out of the swimming pool and she'd go down in the swim pool and smoke weed because she couldn't smoke in my house and she's down in the pool smoking and I started realizing like oh she like she a female like like a little snoop dog like she's smoke weed like chain smoking

before anybody like really by herself and I'm like we should put this in the music and I just start seeing like this was what was happening. It's, you know, and I mean, I'm influenced by what's going on the hip hop, so it ain't, you know what I mean, and I saw, you know, I'm listening to Dre, I'm listening to what's going on, and I'm listening to Snoop. Snoop is doing this thing. And it was kind of like, it wasn't, like, because the first song we came out with wasn't funk, it was more or less, like, it was the Isley brothers.

I just flipped sleeping in my, I mean, between the sheets. But what I did was, I should. start realizing that if you play the sample over, it gave you a different texture to the music. So when you start playing the music over, that's when people started thinking it was like West Coast music. But that wasn't, it wasn't West Coast. It was just in between the sheets, right?

Because if we had, I remember we had in between the sheets and then Biggian them had Big Popper, right? And Big used to come to me all the time and be like, man, what did you do to your beat? That sounds different than my beat. And he just had a sample. I had more, you know what I mean? I almost had like more.

playing over that shit. Yeah, different things. I could take the bass. I could do whatever I wanted to do because we played it over, right? And I think that's where people start. You know, we ran with it because the song was called Funkify, but it wasn't, it was the Isley Brothers record. That's it.

It was so funkedify. Yeah. And that's the first time I start rapping on as far as people first time hearing me. And that's because I was in there writing the raps and I was in there writing. And I was just playing around. Like, I plan around. I'm going to say this. and you say this, and it started going

and it was like, back and forth, back and forth. And everybody was around. It was like, y'all should do that. And I'm like, no, I don't want to rap, right? I'm still trying to stick to just, I'm a producer. I'm going, I'm doing good. I'm not getting ready to start doing this. We're not going to be ready to mess this up, right?

That's around the time they, uh, Shug Night was like, you weren't producers in your video, rapping. No, no, this was before that. This was before that. He fad forwarded in too much, right? This was before that. So, yeah, so we get to the Funkify, Funkify come out. I was there.

And this Brat record go crazy. Funkify record go crazy. Too crazy. And Brat album, she became the first female solo artist to have a platinum album. That was crazy, man. Shout out to the Brat, her wife. Y'all co-wrote that? Yeah, yeah.

So that's when I saw, you know what I mean? I started, I was writing, but then I started remembering, like, you rap. I already knew what you, you know what you, you know what I'm saying? So we just start figuring out our back and forth motion, right? And I write one part, and then she'll grab it and understand why I'm going, and then she'll just take it from. You know, Tip told me Tiny Road Scrubs. Yeah.

Scrub is a her, then, yeah, her and candy. He said he was on the passenger's side. No, I'm sure. I'm sure. That's crazy. Gag, kiss, gag. I know I'm jumping all. You know, I got some.

You know, I got some. Beautiful conversation. This is very knowledge. I'm with you, brother. I'm with you. So then, like, I'm running around now with Brett, and I'm rapping. Funkify is big, so I'm performing with her everywhere. But we go, right?

And I'm like, I still don't want to rap, but I'm writing more raps now because I'm hearing myself on the radio and I'm rapping. I'm starting rapping. And then all my friends, like, Jada, you should make, you should make an album. And I'm like, no, I don't want to make no album. I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. But I start making, like, face. songs in the studio like I'd be writing a song and I'm thinking I'm gonna give to somebody else but I damn there finished the song and my friends would start

listening to it in the car and they're like yo you should make this a real song one thing led to the next to the next to the decks and then I did my first album life in 1472 you want to know what's crazy is there's something going on down the other side of town you got the goody bomb not yet not yet you know what I'm gonna let you control that you ask questions man Are you not listening to this man? Not yet. He's speeding ahead of time.

So they're not ringing off yet? Not, not yet. This all like, you know. How do I know this and you owe it in me? Yeah, it's, it seemed like that. By a couple of candles. It seemed like that, but it wasn't like that. It's an argument about that now.

Like, people don't understand. Criscross came out before Alcass. Facts. I know that. But I didn't know that. I didn't know that Goody Barb and Rico Wade and the family he wasn't cooking up. But that's what I'm saying.

You got to think about it. Because he is New York? Crish-cross came out before Outcast. So you got to think about where the stretch was. Right? It's like this Chris Cross and Outcast. So Outcast came, I mean, Goody Mob came out after Outcast. After Outcast success.

You ain't know that? Yeah, you ain't know that? No, no. No, I always thought the Goody Mob. That's why we learn it. I always thought the goody mob. People think I'm signed a big pun. You understand?

No. I'm telling you, they ask me. I'm thinking Goody Mob birth outcast No one Outcast came out first That was fresh

Yeah Outcast came out first Then Goody Mob Wow Yeah Oh that's amazing But that's after Gay

Good timetable He was talking To you God of Moore Yes I You know So we went Into this space

Of me Start rapping And me and Brat Start doing Like Going back and forth Doing things This and the third

And We did the sleeping In my bed Remix right that shit was monster did the sleeping in my bear remix this was like the first song that New York had really ever

really really embraced that I did now you gotta think from this whole time when I was staying here in New York I had six times 11 I took I took them to see red I took the record to Red Alert and Chuck Chillout and Chuck Chill out was like

nah nah this ain't I can't play take that country shit back Chuck's still like that oh yeah so so I always had this thing with I kept trying to get my records played in New York. Chuck be cursing to the radio 2025.

Chuck still be doing there? Yes. I listen to a many week on BLS. Yeah, I like that. He's still cursing dudes out. I like that. He ain't never changed. Yeah, but by the way, that made me want, that just made me just like, I got to get a record in New York.

Like, I got to get a record in New York. So I just kept, I wasn't thinking about sleeping in my bed being that record, but I always wanted a record that when I got to New York, I turned on Hot 97, I hear my music, right? So sleeping in my bed. came like one of the hottest records in New York Flex was planning at the tunnel

was an R&B record they weren't playing on R&B at the tunnel right he was playing this he was like Jada you gotta come through a party

at the tunnel sleeping in my bed is going crazy right so sleeping in my bed going crazy and then we had the photo shoot

the great day in Harlem I was there with all the rap was out there all the y'all was out there right I got you looking like

a baby on a on a fucking picture that's in my store right now when the bronze you're looking like a baby out there yeah so

So we come to New York and go to Harlem and do this. And then that's when I met Hove, right? And on my way to the shoot, I'm listening to Clue tape. And Hove took the sleeping in my bed beat. And he took my cadence and said, y'all want to dance. I'm going to make you dance. He took all of that and did a freestyle. So then I'm in the car like, oh, this nigga knows me.

Yeah, he can fuck with you. I'm like, he really knows me. He doesn't pay attention to my whole shit. So I wasn't thinking like when I seen him. I'm going to say, let's make a record. But somewhere in my mind, that's what happened, right? So when I seen him out there, I'm like, you I heard you just do my whole little flow on that glue tape.

You need to come to Atlanta. We make a record. And he's like, all right, he gave me his number. So I went back home. All my mind was that I'm going to make this record with Jay-Z. That's what I was thinking about. I'm going to make this record with Jay-Z. I didn't know what the record was going to be,

but I'm like, I'm going to make this record with Jay-Z. And long story short, he came in Atlanta. And I went to pick them up. And when I'm driving to the airport to pick him up, I'm listening to can't knock the hustle. And when he say deep in the South kicking up top game, I'm like, he's talking about me. Who was he talking about?

I'm riding. I'm thinking he's talking about me. He says switching for a lane. I'm switching. By the way, I'm in a Bentley. Oh, you kicked up by then. Yeah, I'm in the Continental Tea, by the way, not just a Bentley.

Continental Tea. You know what I mean? I'm in the Continental Tea. Go on to the airport to pick him up. And I'm all out the window. I'm driving like this. I'm doing everything he's saying in there. Switching four lanes,

screaming through the sunroof money, and the day. I'm like, this is me. I'm definitely telling you. That's all I'm saying. He's talking about me. So as soon as he come out of the airport,

I say, yo, I'm going to sample this part. This is going to be our song. And he's like, all right, he's thinking about what I was saying. And then all the way down the street to my house, down Old National to my house,

he just got quiet. And I guess he's, on then on his verse. He didn't even hit a beat. I ain't played no beat for him. I had an idea. When we got to my house, I hit the beat. And I said, this is we going to wrap over.

He's like, all, let's go. I'm ready. And I was like, what? Yeah, that's crazy. How did this work? And I thought the shit was going to be trashed. Jada would have moved into your house. Jada take his time.

He'd have moved into your house for a month before he did get you that verse. You crazy? Jada take his time. There you go cap it. Now you're getting it. I didn't flew to Atlanta for other shit and went in his studio and gave him verses. Yes, yes.

Is that in fact or not? Yes, yes, ladies and gentlemen. I got to fuck with the gar, but my thing is... He's one that can catch me. Come over, kissing you. Money ain't a thing. Drop this for the brat. Money ain't a thing.

Up here, up here felt like that was the emergence of down south and New York. Like, like... It was. You know, it felt like that was the shit. shit. It was. And y'all was talking that shit.

Legendary. Great. You know, um, whose idea was the video and all that? The video was crazy. Everything about that. It was me, hove, and free. Shout out to Free May. And, yeah, we was just like, we was trying to just figure out how to do the dumbest

shit we could possibly do at that particular point in time. You know what I mean? And we were supposed to, we were supposed to have a horse race where we both was riding a horse but the officer's like I ain't riding no horse and I'm like shit I'm gonna ride the horse you can put your girl on the horse our racer and the way we start talking to each other

that's how the video was like all right a better 100,000 nigga let's go right so then everything was just like let's let's do it let's go over top so yeah we reckon portions and everything

at the video shoot real life yeah yeah so y'all was just jumping out so at what point do you hear outcast well outcast is out at this point outcass is out like outcast came out um they outcast was out like I said

Outcast came out right after Crish Cress so they actually was like Brant Outcast and that they in that little era all of that came out of the same time like 94 Chris Cush Cush came out in 92 so Outcass I think like they came out and that's when they won

they won the award at the Source Awards in 94 I was there I was there that night I was there brother

I was sitting right behind Outcast right in front of Outcast was the 69 boys Nause was sitting right in front of me You really remember

I'm at the I'm strapped in the fucking Source Awards like I mean I'm not keep it real with you I got the animals

with me I'm up in there you know what I'm saying so I saw where Outcast won that that award and they just got up and I wasn't, I was up on Outcast

but I didn't think they were the Kings right? So I knew they was nice. I knew they was reping that ATL but I ain't, when they won who they won against Wu-Tang they won against some serious people up there. That was a new

artist award though, right? Yeah, but it was around the same time. But when they won I remember them getting up. They did like a little one, two-step they went because they didn't think they were going to win in New York so when they won

that was a major that was like Biggie on stage going Brooklyn we did it we made it right it's like when Outcast won if you wasn't there you in the ATL you seen when they won that on TV

I was there oh you was there so what that must have been like in the whole entire South or they like the South got something to say I mean for me I didn't feel it like that because I had already said what I had to say. I had already been saying what

the South got to say, right? But this was more or less like, you know, like, what niggas don't understand, I ushered in young niggas and rap. When I brought Crish Cross in the game, it was no young people rapping. Young people didn't even want to rap. Right? It was all

old niggas. So old niggas would never give young niggas no credit. Chris Cross came out. They sold 8 million records. The niggas don't ever be like, really like, talking about this. Like, they want to give all Chris Cross credit to somebody else.

They sold 8 million records at 12 years old. That's a lot of records, man. They sold 4 million jump. Well, on that wall. You know, his studio, he got a wall with nothing but platinum diamond shits.

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How many millions, man? Because kids don't let me ask you that. He like to be honest. He said he got it. But it's a lot of millions. See, I mean, it was one time it was at like 400, 500 million. But that was like 10 years ago. Now that we got this streaming shit, I know it's way more than that.

Professions. Before I even. Get to Mariah. How, what was you and the staff? Shout out to B. Cox. Shout out to everybody. What was, what kind of zone? What did y'all set out to do?

Because I, if y'all just say, yo, we're about to cook up some shit and go diamond and take over the whole, every piece of the world. Y'all accomplished that to the T. Well, I don't think that's what y'all did. Nah, not. Well, I mean, you got, so we had 87-1 first before confessions, right? Shout out there. And, that would definitely.

Yeah. So, so. 8701 We wrote You Got It Bad Real So you got it bad The success or you got it bad

Was just like It was the beginning of it Like it was like Okay listen We make After you got a bad success We went back in the studio For Confessions

The mentality was that We had to finish off What we thought You Got It Bad did Right So Usher was talking about A song

Like he felt like His relationship Was going through This situation He wanted it to burn out Like Just let it burn out I'm going to have to go through the pain.

And he was telling me this. And I couldn't really grasp what he was saying because I went, I had going through that type of situation. But I was trying to, and I was trying to figure it out. And he told me this, and then he left. And I sat there for a minute. I stepped thinking about it. I'm like, let it burn, let it burn.

And I kept saying like, oh, okay, when it feeling, you know, I started trying to figure out what the words were. and then I got it and I call him back I said I got it I got the hook so he came back to the studio and we did let it burn first

right we did let it burn first and then he started saying he was going through this thing where he couldn't really work in Atlanta let's go to LA

and I'm like nah here we go this is the bullshit I thought we everybody go through a phase you think he's gonna block his own blessings right I'm like here we go

I'm thinking about me because I'm I'm I want to be where I can grab all the records that I need, any ideas, it's all in my studio, right? For me, as far as being creative, I don't want to go nowhere because I know I'm going to forget something. I'm going to leave somewhere. I can't find something.

Yeah, right? So he's like, let's go to L.A. And I'm like, ah, shit, cool. I'm going. We go to Brandon's way. And we get out there. And my man that was with me, he was talking to me about girls.

and side girls and relationships and this, that and third. And I just kept saying, that's, you just, that's all bad. Like, everything you're talking about is all bad. And Usher came to the studio, and we started talking about some things, but then he left. And all I kept, remember, he was like, yo, I, let's come back tomorrow. And I was like, man, nah, I can't let L.A. beat me. I get like a writer's block. I feel like I got a writer's block, basically.

And, you know, it's really, really bothering me because I already felt, Like, it was going to happen when I got to L.A. So I'm not to cut you off. That happens to me in L.A. I need to, I can't just go there and go straight to the studio. I got to, I got to cry. I got to be, I got to, some shit got to happen. I can't, I don't got the same fluidity in the studio in L.A.

That I got anywhere else. And I don't know what it, I don't know what it is. It takes a while for me to get, I can't just go there and be kiss off the rip. So, yeah, I never really. successfully wrote in L.A. Never. Me, myself. Never hit one out the park in L.A. L.A. Yeah. Like, you know, I've wrote

shit there, but it wasn't... Blackout was recorded in L.A. on X album. This is it right here, man. That's probably... No, he was recording out there. I'm talking about for me. One of X album is the best I was able to... So, yeah, so I can... I'm going

through this thing, and I'm struggling. So I'm like... I told an engineer, give me a copy of the beat. We made the beat, because he made the beat. And I think, I know, I know the beat, right. I just don't, I ain't got the words. I can't figure it out.

And I, and I'm thinking about saying stuff that I don't think Usher's going to want to say, right? So I'm thinking like that, he ain't going to want to do this because this ain't what his life is, right? He ain't going through this. So I'm like, but that's what I want to say, but I'm thinking like, this ain't going to work. So I take the beat and I get in the car. and I'm getting in the car I'm riding down mailroads and I'm thinking like

I swear I knew that I'm thinking I'm thinking like shit I ain't got the words I can't so I start thinking about usual suspect right

Kaiser Sojay was in the jail he ain't had words for the story he just started looking for the words on the board and try to create the story so I'm like I'm gonna try this and that's what I've started doing

I'm looking at signs on mail Rose, it's all kind of shit going, right? So I get to the light, I think on third, and the Beverly Sun is in front of me. And that's when I say, every time I was in L.A., I was with my ex-girlfriend. Every time she called me, I told him, Gravy, I'm working, no. How was I doing my work? I was hand-in-hand in the Beverly Center like, man, not giving the damn, who sees me? And I'm thinking like, oh, and I'm just grabbing this.

Everything I see, I would have never said the Beverly Sun in that song if the Beverly Center wasn't in front of me. I'm trying to do the Kaiser-Sose shit, right? So as I get through that verse, I'm like, I'm like, I got it. And so everything is everything, everything I've been doing is all bad. I got a chick on the side with a crib and the ride up and telling you some many lies. Ain't nothing good. It's all bad.

I just want to confess. And that's where confessions came from when me saying. I just want to confess all of this shit that I've been doing is bad. And we ain't have confessions that if I want to say that I want to confess to you, everything that I've been doing is bad. So it's like my time I'm saying, this is going to be the first R&B. where the nigger actually tell a girl you ain't got even ass

yeah I'm fucking her just what I'm doing I got a crib on the side chick on the side with a crib on the ride up I'm telling you so many lies ain't nothing good it's all bad I ain't always going I just felt like that song feels so good to this day

that was the beginning right that was the beginning I had to drive all the way to Malibu because everybody had left the studio and I couldn't record I had to remember I had to memorize all of this. Yeah, I had to keep going, right? So the next day, it's like, we got to hurry and get to the studio.

So I put it down, put it down. You ain't write it down. No, I'm driving and writing in my head. I forget too much. So, we get back, we do this, we do all bad. And then Mark Pitts, like, what happened after, you know, after this situation? What happened with the chick on the side? Then it hit me.

It's like, oh, damn, she got pregnant. This is like my real life. right the chick on the side get pregnant I know this story like I really know this story I ain't got to write this right so that's when we're like okay I'm like shit it's gonna be part two and part two became these on my confession and you if we wouldn't ever got to that if we wouldn't did we so we did a part two of a song that never even came out

wow so that was part two that's it that was the response yeah and you ain't even do the first one Well, we did it, but it didn't come out. L.A. didn't put all bad on the first. He didn't put it on the album. He put it on the, you know, me on the re-package. You know, you name it some big names, right?

So you're saying L.A. Reed, you're saying Mark Pitts. Who decides what comes on the album? L.A. on LaFa. I mean, you know, at that time, Arreston, you know, that was his... He'd be like, I want this. I want that shot. Cool. That's his job.

That's what he's thing. And that was his space. Like, L.A., you know, putting the albums together. That was his space. I just saw like an old interview with all. Kelly, and he said he would do like a hundred songs and listen to all of them and pick out the 12 on the album. Like, you know how hard that shit had to be?

Yeah. To like, there's probably some gems left on the floor, right? But that's what I'm saying. Like, I never even understood why L.A. didn't even put both versions. He didn't, he ain't put it all bad. And I'm like, you know, as crazy is that people are going to listen to this and they're hearing the second story, they don't even know where it came from. But I couldn't figure

I couldn't figure out how it worked. Yeah, it was. It was like crazy genius. Yeah. So that was the beginning of confessions. I think big pun. Right. If you think about it though, J.D., that's how movies.

Sometimes they make you watch the movie back. Yeah. That's a fact. Yeah. And he was ill. He said he did the causes soul. He had writers blocks. So he was looking at signs.

It was like driving around. That's it. Yeah. But you can. You ain't got it. You know what I mean? Like, if you were under pressure, that's, that's all I remember about that movie is that dude was in the, you know what I mean, in the jail, the dude asking him questions and he's

under pressure. I made the whole story with it. Yeah, he's just looking at stuff. And he's like, oh. That's crazy. And if you could put it together and make it sound good, that's what I started trying to do. That was it. That's crazy.

So I got to ask you, I think big pun because his biggest crush in the world was Janet Jackson. Right? You got Janet Jackson at her prime. Was it a prime? Okay. She was six-packed up and all that. at that time. There was a janitor that went crazy

at one point that she just became the badest stuff. I know that. It's good time. Can I say, can, can, can, right? She was in a prime path. You caught her at the time she went crazy, right? And so, and. I don't know.

Let me ask you. Let me ask you, course. Well, if she went crazy before that, it was enough to make you say, let me holl her. Yeah. Right? The confidence to holl her.

I don't know. Did you just hear on the act? Did you just hear what he said he did from 12? No, no, I understand. That's it's Janet Jackson. No. I'm talking about Penny. Okay, well, you got the confidence I ain't got.

Now, let me ask you a question. You ever got checked by? Can I say something? Joe Photify. See, I'll tell you, he's on his shit on this interview, right? I can't let you get away with this shit. This ain't that and that ain't this? Cracking kiss

Michael Jackson Never pulled you on the side And say Yo, you date my sister You know Did you So he never He don't get involved

In his sister's love life Nah but Jackie I think Jackie did And then Oh Jackie Jackie wanted smoke A lady

They just let me know Like I mean somebody But at the same time You might Fucking with your sister You might You most like

I used to sit in front of my sister With a baseball bat She hated me My old life Guy come to visit her And I'm sitting right in Forest Projects with a baseball bat looking at the dude like they had no time

before you even met him, huh? Before you even met him, huh? I don't give a fuck at that time. I was one of them crazy Puerto Ricans and you was like, yo, I'm dating this chick is a crazy Puerto Rican thing with a baseball bat staring at me. No, no, at the house.

You know, yo, miss, can I come visit your daughter? I'm sitting there with the baseball. My mom, my sister never got. over that for me. You know what I'm saying? Because it was whacked. It was whacked. So he never stepped to you like that.

No, but in the house, you have to pick a side, though, between Michael and Chan. That's how it was? Yeah, he had to pick a side. Like, if you was on the Michael side or you was on the Janet side. So there was family competition. Yeah, of full, 100%. Just imagine it was six Jermaine DePrees.

Yeah, fuck Atlanta up. So that shit was like, control. So, like, Jackie, me and Jackie, we hit it off. Jackie told me, he was like, you know, we're the first niggas in L.A. with Ferraris. And I'm like, what? You have to think about that. Oh, that's what he said.

Yeah, just think about it. Oh, that's a fact, though. No, but I'm just saying, you can't. The first niggas in L.A. that haven't had for a with Ferrari? Black. Black. Yeah.

Yeah. To be the first. They were the first. This fucking ain't the first alien in the liver room, bro. These guys, you leave it to us. Anything they did, we believe. Yeah, for sure. So, I mean, you have to, you know,

he's just breaking it down for me. Like, you know what I mean? Oh, you didn't know that? That's why I'm telling you, it took a lot of coheness to step to Janet Jackson. When the world heard, Jermaine DePree was dating Janet Jackson.

He was like, this, yes. You know how many motherfuckers was like, oh, I wish I had the heart to talk to her. Yo, I think, you know, this, you know, Raul Recipes always told me J-Lo gave him a look one time. We were shooting a video with J-Lo, he would tell me all the time. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

She ain't look at you, the fucking lying. But by the way, that's all the same. She looked at me. That's all the tape. I'm telling you, I respect it because of you. I said, Jailo did not look at you, Raoul. And he really went to his grave with that story. He really believes that shit.

It's probably true. That why I said the money and things. She looks, she go. It's, it's bye-bye. She looks, she goes. For sure. You ain't got to say no more. Yeah.

I mean, damn. I still live, I live by that today. She looks, she go. That's it. That's what it is. She looks, she go. It's a rap. Now, after you, now, confession.

Because I got to be on the journalist, because he keeping it on Sacramento. Oh, you've been asking it. You've been asking it. I want to stay on Central Guard. You've been asking all the questions. This is with both time. All right.

I'm with you. Listen, Mariah, the MC, you just seem to hit everything out of the park with everything you create for her and with us. I mean, what a Mariah shit was like, the first record I did for Mariah was always be my baby, right? And I fucking love that song. You will always be my baby. That's timeless. That shit's forever So that's the first song I did for

And she came to me Like she told Tommy like I want to work with him Because she liked just kicking it She liked escape And she wanted the song And it felt like that And that's what

That was my attempt to give her like A just kicking It was to always be my baby Right And then that's what we formed Our relationship When we just start working Working working

And then when LA Signed her the Deaf Jam He started working on Emancipation to Me Me, and I wasn't on it. And he called me, and he was like, oh, he told her his favorite song, his favorite Mariah Carey record was Always Be My Baby. And she was like, well, J.D. did that song. And he was like, well, you need to go to Atlanta and see J.D.

And he sent her to Atlanta. And the first record we did was, it's like that. And no, the first record we did was, can I get your number? And I'm singing on the record because I was going to, I want her to do the part. but when she heard it she's like I'm not doing that you stay on the record and I'm like I don't want to

I'm not singing on the record she's like you know stay on the record so I ended up staying on this song can I get your number and then me and B. Cox we did shake it off so we did can I get your number and shake it off in the same little like two days

since they went back she came back to New York she played these two songs for LA and he was like go back he's like hold up this this this feels like where we need to go you need to go back go back to Atlanta one more time so then they called me like she's coming back and he's like jd you still ain't make always be my

baby and i'm like i don't i can't do that again i don't know i don't think i can do that again so he and i knowing that he wants his record that feel like always be my baby so immediately i'm like we got to make a ballot that's what he's looking for he's looking for a ballot and we made we belong together and i'm on a remix i can't sleep at night and then we did it's like that too two, that same little session, but we belong together. You know what's crazy is my favorite singer of all time is Luther Van Jaws, rest of peace. And this morning, I woke up and I played the performance of Luther in London with Mariah. Now, I've seen videos of Luther singing with Whitney Houston, where he had the encourager, like, yo, Whitney, come on.

Like, he was giving a pep talk, because Luther different. But a young Mariah Carey went over there and went toe-to-toe like a Muhammad Ali fight. In that performance, and it was just like, yo, like, she wasn't scared to Luther. She was a young girl. No, that's Mariah Carey. That's Mariah, pow, pal. That's Mariah Carey, man.

She different. You know what's crazy? Before the world was BMFs, it was so, so deaf. Yeah, for sure And so I remember going to Atlanta And they'd be like, yo, it's so, so deaf Atlanta, right? And then it turned into BMF.

Well, they got a sign across from me across on the other side. They got the sign across the other side. Yeah. I ain't know this. I'm just saying the signs was like A lot of people think That was encouragement for them to do that.

Yeah, a lot of people think that we switch signs. My sign stayed right there. They was like that was like unauthorized to be honest. We knew what we was going to eat is kind of calling it. World's El Chapo. Like, my motherfucker got to be kidding me, right? I used to think they was police or something at first.

They'd be like, yo, get with them. I'd be like, what? Yeah, they're paying crazy money for features and this. I'd be like, I see them in the clubs and all. I'll see, yo, this is just no way these guys are doing it. Like, they thought they were legally selling drugs or something, right? And so, no, no, I'm telling you. They come to Miami, 20 white cars, Lamborghini, white Ferrari, white Cullin, white this, white this, white this, white this, Tuesday, Sky Blues, well, Phantoms, Sky Blues, Ferraris for this.

They was just doing a different color shit. Man, they had a birthday party where they was, they had tigers in the club, bro, full-fledged. They was doing shit. First time I ever seen that, 175 hummers, that magic shit. But let me say this, Atlanta. Atlanta allows you to do that. Like, Atlanta's the only city in America where you can go to

and you're going to see black people with money that don't sell dope. I'm telling my money. No, I'm with that. So I'm saying. I'm saying. So ultimately, ultimately what Mietch was doing

blended in so well that it didn't feel like what you're talking about to us. Because me coming from the Bronx. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I knew there was some indictments coming soon. No, not. See, that's what I'm saying.

It didn't feel like that's us. I'm fucking knew. with like the back of my hand. It ain't feel like that to us because I'm saying if you pull up the Lennox Square right now, mad, rich black people. Yo, bro, the whole Lennox Square

looked like, they look just like what you're talking about. That's probably the only bag I never took. Like, they was like, yo, we've got the bag. He won features and I was like, I took that. He took it.

It was a beautiful city. Oh, no, I was terrified. Yo, what's so with this Magic City album and Doc? All right, so the Magic City album, Initially, we did a Magic City documentary, and I got a new deal with Hyde, a social deaf hide, but I didn't have my deal, right? And I was just doing a documentary as an executive producer,

and then I signed my deal in between us putting this doc out. And I was just like, it's crazy that we ain't doing something with the music, right? So I had conversation with school, and I'm like, I think my first project should be a soundtrack from this Magic City documentary. And he was like, yeah, let's do that. And we called stars and we just like, yo, we're going to do a documentary. We can do a soundtrack. And it's like, we don't really do soundtracks like that.

And I'm like, this is what the club is about. The club thrives after music. The music moves the club. So you got to make it go. And they weren't really like soul on doing the music, right? But I'm soul on it. At this point, I'm going. I'm going.

I'm starting to call artists. I'm trying to do what I got to do. So then I was just like, you know what? I thought about when I was working on American Gangster the songs that in American Gangster ain't in the movie, right? So American Gangster album, it says J.Z. American Gangs, I mean, inspired by American Gangster, the movie. But the songs that's in there is not in the movie.

So then I was like, shit, we could do this. We could just make a Jermaine DePree album inspired by the Magic City documentary. So that's basically what we're at right now. I got to ask you a question, though. Jada hates this bad, giving it to you. Top five dances of all time in Magic City. White chocolate at the top? White chocolate.

I got to write these down because I got to Google these people. But she's in the documentary. All these people, they all in the documentary. All right. Let me get four more. I don't know, top five. Too many. See, he always.

Man, it was a girl named Sugar. It was a girl named Sugar in there. Yeah, sugar. Oh, he's talking about it was a girl. He's dead or alive, boy. Yeah, sugar, man. Sugar, yeah, sugar round. I don't know.

Yeah, she don't dance no more. None of them shouldn't dance no more. They're not going to. No, magic's had it's, it's time. Yeah, yeah, yes, it's just, but white chocolate, I feel like it's all time. She's number one. She's the one. All time.

So they don't, they don't do the most money at white chocolate heaven. Yeah, yeah. Because you know, the cribs is affordable. Them girls was probably buying. Acres and shit. No, I'm telling you the truth. I know you are. They was out there.

This shit was... I mean, I spent $10,000 every Monday for 20 years straight in... Back, back, back! Bigger? Easy. Take the signs off now. Say you something. I made the song, Make it Rain.

I didn't go to the strip club for about three years until it got played out. Until it got old. No, they was killing me. Like, every time I was... walking, they'll play the Superman song. The lighter come on and Mr. Rain is here. I'm like, and it was never enough because you may make it rain.

They want you to keep on this shit. I was like, yo, guess what? It's not good for me to go in the strip club because they put in major peer pressure on me. But see, this is where you got to walk from the VIP section and you got to go holl at the DJ. You got to get away. You know what I mean?

You can't stay in that. light. Yeah, it's a play. You can get stuck, so where you're stuck in that lighty has that. Everybody watching you. Magic City. You got to get out there.

Second floor. Huh? Nah, Magic's ain't got no second floor. No, it had a second floor. Oh, now they got a little step-up. That's where I met Gizi for the first time. A little step-up. Yeah, that was this far.

That's as low as you could go up in that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, a little step-up. What made you? What did you want to do the rap game? Like, what inspired? What's say, y'all, I'm going to get some kids with some time? Oh, the rap?

rap game. It wasn't with my idea. It was an idea that I think, like, flavor unit, they had the idea before. Shut up. But I just was the person that had produced kids before, and they didn't know nobody else that they thought could pull off that part. So the idea they had, they already had the idea.

But when they came to me, that's when I started flushing it out, telling them, like, this is what we're going to do. And then my reach about getting the artists and all of this. I just took over the show from that point. And once I, you know, after we got through the first season, I realized what we was doing. And I was like, oh, I got this. I'm going to run this up because I've seen that, you know, I've seen how many people was paying attention to it. And I also saw, like, once again, it was like an opportunity for the younger generation to step forward and be a part of hip hop in a way that they weren't ever.

You know, when I was a kid, it wasn't happening or even somebody else. Even like Bow Wow. Bow Wow coming in the game at the time when Bow Wow came in, there still wasn't no kid rapper. you know what I mean when he came in still when nobody else out that was at 12 years old

doing what he was doing so it was like bow out of me was like LL Koojay of the kids 100% FACCH 100%

And the the third album when I wrote like you that's what I was trying to get to like that was his

when I'm alone in the room yeah I was trying to get to that like you know he was dating Sierra so I was just like we got to make

all these songs for the girls all these songs out of my system like you all of these records i did you know um him and chris brown shorty like mine i just start making all of these songs about the girls that was crazy like certified yeah yeah you know i'm telling you i'm on tour with him and they sat me everywhere we went they had like me in 101 102 i don't know why they gave me bow wow he randomly just knock on my door and I'll be like, yo, Bow Wow, what's up? And he started reading script. He's certified.

Like, you can't, I met some crazy. He's like Keith Murray crazy. No, I ain't that crazy. No, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Balwale. He ain't Keith Murray. Crazy. I'm telling you, Balwale, some of the shit, that he say private is out of control.

It's supposed to be private. No, no, it is private. I ain't say what he said. I'm just telling you. By the way, I don't know how many times I said it. I said it right, bow. like, yo, the key seven-thirty. Like, I turned around, like, yo, this guy.

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on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's interesting about Bow Wow is Bow Wow is a real rapper. Yes, he is. Like a little, like I'm saying literally. He was on Arsenio when he was six years old. He has the longest rap career in rap than anybody. Don't nobody even paying no attention to him. He's been rapping longer than anybody,

and he's still on the radio and still got songs playing in the club. He's been rapping longer than anybody else that's in rap right now. It's crazy. I signed him when he was 11. Superstar. I always thought he was Snoop Dog's son or some shit. He basically was. Yeah, because we was like, little bad wow.

You just don't know. you know that shit y'all don't care you gotta you gotta relax so kiss I got a question what's up I got a question for you because I'm making this

Magic City album and I have to ask people prior to me making the records if they beefing with somebody or whatever whatever because I and I only do this and I only do this because I didn't do this with you

right no but you did a good thing I mean you you kind of like fixed it before we fixed it with that song. So I did Hayton Your Blood, right? I did the song Hating Your Blood and I put Kiss

and Freeway on the same record in the middle of the heat without speaking to them, right? And I wanted the record to be just me and Kiss. I ain't want Freeway to rap. I just wanted Freeway to do the hook. This is what I heard in my head. So I had Got Kiss verse

and I had Freeway come to the studio and he's like, I'm going to get my verse on here. And I was like, nah, I just want you to do the hook. But I wasn't really paying no attention to me telling him, nah, and his man, and his, you know, his, his, you know, his rap. Arch enemy got a verse going. That beef was nuclear, Jada.

You and Beanie and Freeway and all I'm going back and forth. Like, that might have been one of the greatest lyrical beefs of all time. So, I'm being honest. I know somebody had to say something about this. That shit was serious. No, no, no, it was a... In the crew, somebody in the crew had to say something. Somebody in the crew said something about this.

JD's, that nigga's crazy. The song was knocking, so it didn't really bother me. And our beef, it wasn't, we had love. We started with love, so it wasn't one of them things. Like, it wasn't hate for the, it wasn't one of them. We're going to die, hate, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, so. Yeah, I was one of the thing.

I think on this. My trust was in you with the song. So I know you, you got the fucking billion-dollar ears. So if you hear me and him or whatever you hear, whatever you say, go. Your shit is the extendo clip. I really played like that. I ain't really. Yeah, I got the, I got the kiss rule.

I have to ask now that I'm making these works. Now, you got to do it, but, you know, I think I'm going to add a little segment. It's called Delusional Records. Delusional. Yeah, because, yo, lately. I like action. like that. No, no,

this shit been out of control. You definitely need to, by the way, I definitely need to do that. You definitely need to do that because I was trying to think of, like I said, I've been doing this record, this Magic City album,

and I'm only using artists from Atlanta, right? I'm only doing records with artists that's from Atlanta. It's the whole soundtrack. So the first single is with T.I.2 Chains and, uh, and dro.

I never had records with any of them. Like, never had records with them, right? That's crazy. As the energy keeps going with this, I keep seeing people say, JD bringing the city back, this is what the city need, blah, blah, blah, blah. And what ultimately hurt Atlanta music scene,

as people talk about why the music scene ain't like it used to be. What ultimately hurt Atlanta's music scene is delusional records. Right? Break that down for me. And the independent mindset, huh? Defined what you mean.

So from my side, it's the independent mindset. Because all the artists that all the people in Atlanta love, they're not independent. And they ain't not paying no attention to it. So they're delusional to believe that they're going to be like these people. It ain't going to never happen like that. It's not going to happen. It's the biggest delusion going, right?

And everybody keeps trying to pump. Like, I swear I was talking to myself before I came over here to his interview. And I was saying, like, you know, like, if you look at Beyonce, right, my dad signed Desi shy to Columbia. He was the president of Columbia. So my dad used to work in Columbia Records. This was one of the things that he, you know, this was one of his,

this is one of his puts right there. Shout out to OG. Yeah, shout out to my dad. But I say this to say that Beyonce has been signed to Columbia Records for 25 years, right? A longer. The arrow. Right.

But Steve Stout got a record company that's independent. United States. And Stout and hold his partners. Right. You would think that if it's so green on the other side, why wouldn't Beyonce get out her deal and go sign with Stout or anybody else for that matter, right? And the delusion is that it's a delusion in there. And whatever your delusion is, it's a delusion in there. And that's what I'm saying.

All these artists, Little Wayne, Drake, Kendrick, I don't care who you're talking about. If they're on that list, they see. scientist, a major, and you could talk about they got a better deal, and that's the part I'd be trying to make people understand. Like, we got out of this space of, like, being, we got into this entrepreneurial space, and we

got out of making deal space. Like, you can make a deal. You ain't got to, you don't got to own it. You can go in there and make a deal. You could tell niggas exactly what you want. If they fuck with you, they going to take it. If they don't, you just keep walking, right? Like, this, when I just heard

you talking about, you getting paid to talk, You can't believe that, right? It's unbelievable. Just what I'm saying. But you got what you wanted. Yes, that's a fact. Exactly. Well, we got what we wanted.

That's what I got what you wanted. You don't get what you asked for. You get what you negotiate. Yeah, you got to negotiate. And that's, that's what has hurt Atlanta. Atlanta's spirit was that if Dallas Austin wanted to get a deal, then Kevin Wells would go get a deal. Then Devine Stevens would get a deal. And then Polo to Dun get a deal.

And it was like, niggas was going out here finding. Big, big, big, big bags. And then they got to a point where niggas like, oh, we're going to do this shit by ourselves. Yeah, all right. I like to see it. Delusion of record. Diamond D who put me on.

He was one of the first to move down to Atlanta from New York, Diamond D. Keith Sweat went down there, right? Barge? Barge, man. Who? My man, barred. But, yeah.

The man went down there. A lot of guys moved down there, but the part of my delusion is, right? So Aaron Hall's brother Right You know what? You ain't even got to say it You got to say it I think I'm going to get low on this

Yo Yo, I'm just saying When the brother Damien Hoff What did he do? He know what the fuck I'm talking about He said God was the greatest group of all time

Now guy I'm tired of the same feel like that. Go ahead. Let me hear it with you. What's the greatest group of all time? No addition. Hello. Can you stand the ring?

No, but you're a hello. Now, you've got to be delusional to think that you're going up against. You want to know what's crazy? Two days ago, we're in my pool, right? Friends, family. I brought this up and everyone said new addition. wasn't even a brainiac thing. Because, you know, my

favorite group of all time is Boister Man, but still, everybody said New Edition. Now, let me say this on the show right now. New Addition is the greatest group in music, history, period. They're the greatest group to ever come out. White, black, I don't care what it is.

They're the greatest group to ever come out. Reason being, everybody went solo and went platinum. Everybody. Everybody. This ain't. happened with the Jackson's. This ain't happened with the four tops. This ain't happened with the temptations. This ain't happened with the Backstreet Boys. This ain't happened with

insane. New edition, they got BBD. They went platinum. Ralph Trezvind went platinum. Bobby Brown sold damn a 10 million records. Johnny Gill. Nobody in their crew didn't eat. And they all went solo and they all came back. Because I got real cool with him. We still cool, but we got cool for a time. And I love that. You know, I love seeing my O.Gs doing great.

You know, I'm waiting for him at the Wardorf in L.A. and the man pull up and the Bentley come out with the Botega bag. Who you talk about Johnny Gil? Johnny Gil. That's how I like to see my O.Gs. I don't like to see my O.Gs. You know, in hip-hop, a lot of the O.Gs fucked up in the pockets. But I love to see Johnny Gill pull up with that shit on doing fun.

What happened? I'm not, I just stretching. You stretching? Yeah, my elbow. I heard my elbow. I'm just stretching. No, but for real, they're the greatest, they're the greatest group. We got to, we, we should treat New Edition better, man.

New Edition is the greatest musical group to ever come out. I'm talking about all of these groups. I'm talking about the Rolling Stones. I'm talking about all of these artists. If you go, I'm talking about all of these bands. You can say the Rolling Stones, you can say all them. None of them nigs have all their artists. They whole group

About the Beatles Everybody went Whoever they die Went diving You know when white people Get something They hold on to it Whoever they got

You know JD When white people Get something They hold on to Well we need to do the same thing No addition is that They still Outside of Elvis house right now

You said what They still in Elvis house Right now Taking tours right now I'll tell you Some white people They won't let that shit go Yeah

But we need to do the same When they're in this year No we need to need to do that with new edition. I'm telling you, because you're talking about boys and men. Boys and men came from Bivens. Yes, they did. I can make your favorite group when your favorite

group was your favorite group. I can you take them as a guy that made them. I don't even you think about that. No, no. I'm just being honest with you. I'm a new addition worshiper.

I'm just saying And, you know, vocally, man, that voice, man, man, man, that's hard. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, they've, they've got the, they got, they got, they, they do what just with new edition did. No, no, new addition put them on. So, is, there's no question. I'm, I'm agreeing.

I'm just saying Damien Hall. Shout out to Damien. Listen, I, I, honestly, I honestly, what, no, we had Jim Jones. Yeah, y'all ain't say that. That's where that shit started out. I just let him keep talking. No. You see what he said, Kiss?

They try. They try. He's on my side. You let him keep talking. What you want to do? Stop him? I try to stop him. The man kept talking.

We tried. I try. Like Josh on with a little. Listen. I try. Let me tell you something. I realized that man was determined to do that. He waited for any.

If we would have said, Serena Williams or Venus, he would have said, Yo, I'm better than ours. Like, he just was waiting for that, that numbed eyes. You brought up the little guy that did the comparison. And what I would have said,

and what I would have said was, hey, it's an honor to be compared with the rap god. Any normal person. What I would have said is nothing about with that little truth. We have a whole new segment called delusional records out here. You invented it. And we're going to. This shit out of control out here.

Like, God like you, you've been there since the fresh fist. You got Instagram. You see some of this shit sometimes? Yeah. And you just like, you know, this shit. I mean, it happened to me every day because it's like a lot of the things that I live through as a child or whatever. It ain't around no more.

So it's hard for people to even grasp what I'm talking about, right? It's like it's a poster. That's why it shows like this is very important. Like it's a poster in my studio that's a criss-crust poster and it says, you know, on tour of Michael Jackson and people come in there and they're like I know that happened

yeah Chris Cross went on tour Michael Jackson like I wrote it up there like I did like this actually happened you want to know what's crazy is I think if they did a movie of anybody who had interactions

of any kind of Michael Jackson I would tune in every day like you know what I'm saying I'm so intrigued by MJ that's why I asked you if he said it You got any ill stories with MJ? He was Michael Jackson at all time, though.

At all times. Michael Jackson was Michael Jackson at all times. Even behind the scenes. Why did you get Chris Cross on tour with? How did that? He wanted him on tour with him. He wanted, he wanted, I mean, you know, he's all on Sony. But, you know, Jump was huge, right?

It was just a big record. And Mike liked, he liked rap, but people ain't, you know, I mean, they weren't really fine. They didn't know that that's what he was into. And he was like that song. Them kids, they got it. And he took them on tour. And we was having this argument about it

because I don't think it's nobody else that rap that's ever open for Michael Jackson besides Chris Cross. No. No, I remember Heavy D with Chandler Jackson. I remember Biggie had to join with Mike. But nobody did that. You know, I got a crazy story. I don't know if it's mine to tell.

But my man, 5,000 and one guy, 5,000. He got that budget for that, right? Somebody that was some kind of crazy budget and they never came out or so shit. Got 5,001. Rodney Jerkins calls him. Shout out to Ronnie Jerkin. All the name, legend.

All that brandy, all that. So he tells him, yo, come to the studio. I got an important customer for you. I can't tell you who. So guy goes to Sony Studio or something. He got his little notebook with him. to take the measurements it could have been anybody he said he went to the bathroom and he told poppy

you know poppy cut up all the shit right so he told poppy poppy we're gonna meet somebody famous it's like chef if i if i would have told you but i don't know he was like we're gonna meet somebody famous calm down poppy don't get too excited he didn't know who so he said he went to use the bathroom and he was about the piss and the biggest guys opened the bathroom door and was like they looked and all the shit. It was like, all right, you could come in a safe and Michael Jackson walked in. Guy 5, 2001 pissed on himself.

He said he pissed on him. And he had the fucking pad in his hands not trying to cover it. He was like, Poppy, let's go. Bobby, let's go. He never got the measure, MJ, and then he pissed on himself. And fucking ran out of there. Poppy, Poppy, let's go.

Bobby was like, yo, what? What happened? I thought we had to go. He was like, no, no, no, no, no, we got to go. I don't know what the fuck I'd have did if I met Michael Jackson I'm not going to lie to you I don't know what I'm all I can tell you is

Michael Jackson the day he died I had to pull the truck over I was in the Bronx and I started crying for like a hour do you know do you remember if you remember vaguely it did mad shit when Mike died

it stormed rain hell or he was on my block under the thing it did it's like a bro he was talking to the I'm going to tell you a cap story right now. And nobody's going to believe me if you wasn't tuned in.

The Taliban took a day off for MJ. I'm telling you. If you saw on CNN, in Pakistan, yo, I'm trying to tell you. Yo, yo, yo. Oh, my God. Let me hear this.

I got to hear you out, my brother. I'm just trying to hear you out, my brother. I'm just trying to tell you, because I'm not sure of everybody. I'm a CNN head. Whether they lied and it was propaganda or whatever it was, when MJ died, they said that the Taliban took a day off and they had them dancing around a boombox in the mountains. The Taliban was in there trying to do to Michael Jackson. Hey, yo.

Yo, what are you? MJ was the biggest shit in the world ever created. Oh, Jesus Christ. He made the Taliban take a day off. It's great. CNN said the Taliban took a day off, and they had them dancing around the box. I'm telling you. I will say this, though.

When I talk about, like, being on tour, Michael, it's hard for me to even had a conversation with people because they don't actually even want to believe what I saw. Right? Like, you know, like Chris Brown, right, he got the thing. He's on the thing he's flying over the house. Oh, no, he's flying through the head. Yeah. Michael had a jetpack that he used to put on at the end of Billy Jean.

And he flew out the stadium and left. No cap. You saw it. You saw it. Look, look, see. Stop. Why do you believe him? I don't believe me.

He was dead. You were horrible, man. He was dead. I'm not going to lie, I've seen it. They got shit to me. They got the footage. Hold up. My Dominican man, my brother Omega,

The man Omega was the biggest, like, reggae told... So you've seen it before, right? Telling you, he showed me it. He came to studio in Miami. Omega was big, but he dissed the Dominican government. They don't let him come over here no more. He came to the U.S. He thought he was the first guy that said, I'm never going back.

So he used to come in my studio all the time, Lamborghinis, Ferrari. Omega's the first big, like, I don't want to say, but he was like a bad bunny at that time, right? selling out Madison Square Guard so he came one day and showed me that shit on YouTube or something and he said he was going to do it he said I'm doing the stadium

I'm going to fly out the stadium you see Michael Jackson he's flying out the stadium he showed me the shit where did he land there he went back to the backstage and the car was back there way and he was gone who fuck told him how to do that

I actually don't believe it was him you know what I'm like This is a little dangerous. But every show. I ain't got Mike going over the thing. I'm not going to lie to you. God bless. Chris Brown's trying to die on that thing.

He's not just flying in the air. He's like, you ever see like little kids diving in the pool trying to crack their head? Like, dude, you be like, oh, like every time this guy's flying in the air doing like 100 miles per hour, Chris Brown. Like, he believed in them wires or whatever he's doing on that. shit because he test the speed I dare you test the speed of him and anybody else who did that shit Chris Brown is doing it on stage like he true I swear the God I look at it and I'll be like yo but he has to go that fast to get across this this stadium is too big man I ain't doing none of that shit before we get out of him you can't let you go without talking about health and

wellness you turn vegan some years ago you got products ice cream drinks and how else about that Yeah, so, I mean, I've been vegan almost, almost 25 years or the 23 years now. No chicken. Huh? No, no chicken, no beef, no. They know what a vegan is? No vegan. No pescatire.

No. No none in that. Plitz. What? Scott want to live a long time. And I actually, I actually went vegan. I was at Quincy Jones house, and Ray Charles was back. And Ray Charles was...

Brickett! Go-boom! So he was talking to Ray Charles And Ray Charles Just Ray Charles was on his death Ray Charles Yeah Ray Charles on his deathbed

And Quincy was paying all his bills And the doctor bills And Ray Charles called him From the hospital Ray was like Quincy I'm done I'm gonna just gone and die And Q was like

No you're not I'm paying for the best doctors And all of this Come over here And they was having This crazy ass conversation On the phone And

Ray Charles was like Nah Nah We done fuck to all the girls we didn't did we didn't we didn't we didn't we didn't we didn't we didn't eat all the stakes he didn't need anything we could possibly do he was really like he was like I'm ready I'm tired I ain't gonna keep going through this and Q was like man CJD so you gotta take care of health don't be doing no drugs and did it and he when he told

me that it just was like click I got a I got to kick in because you know what I mean I felt really I felt bad because it was Ray Charles basically saying he was done when Q was trying to keep him alive He was doing all he could do But Ray Charles, you know He was on heroin He just, whatever he was feeling He was ready to go

But it made me say Shit, I ain't ready to, you know I ain't ready to go And I sit in the studio So many hours And we eat Waffle House And this thing and third And all this shit

That shit ain't good for you It ain't It ain't good for you If you're sitting around And you ain't doing No exercise I'm gonna be honest with you, man If I can't eat a steak

And no shit like that Check me out What is it? Rocco. I don't want any one of this shit. Maw-fucking Stiles P, his brother, took me to some shit in Miami. He was like,

this is gone spotio. I ran out of there, A, peanut butter crunch so fast in the house. He said, look at you. You're walking in like you're mad. Yo, I must have walked in with the ice grill. I was like, Stiles, my brother.

He was like, look at this. Cucumber Carpaccio. I was like, yo, I'm getting. the fuck out of here to that peanut butter cook cucumber that's so fucking fast I've been able to do a lot of things

I really don't you know I don't smoke I don't really I can't do eat you can't eat you got to vegan man I got I gotta I gotta taste that shit you know what I'm saying yeah with that be a shit

oh my God this ain't that and that ain't this It's cracking kiss. We want to thank our guest Jermaine Nepri for coming on to Join our show. Royalty.

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