Joe and Jada - Jesse Williams on BLM & BET Awards speech, 'Grey's Anatomy' & 'Hotel Costiera'

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by 'Grey's Anatomy' star Jesse Williams. Joe and Jada ask Jesse about his new show 'Hotel Costiera' on Prime Video, showrunner and titan of the television industry Shonda Rhimes sticking up for him when fans wanted him off 'Grey's Anatomy,' his college years in Philadelphia in the prime hip hop era with The Roots taking off, his lifelong activism for racial justice, and his speech at the 2016 BET Awards advocating for the Black Lives Matter movement. 3:00 - Joe & Jada acknowledge the sudden female audience in the room 5:30 - College years in Philadelphia & Philly hip hop culture 7:30 - Why it's so important to teach African history 11:00 - Great inventions credited to African-Americans 18:00 - Acting breakthrough & initial typecast roles 20:30 - Joe needs Jada to explain his mud scene in Queens 24:00 - Shonda Rhimes & 'Grey's Anatomy' 28:00 - 2016 BET Awards speech 39:00 - Toasting to his new show 'Hotel Costiera' 46:00 - Joe's crazy Mongolia trip 51:30 - Jesse's advice for young biracial kids 54:30 - Iconic Black TV show pick'em [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our guests today. Great actor. Excellent actor. Excellent Broadway play. You're an excellent activist, excellent human being. Just a great person. Jesse Williams makes a dog. What out?

What out? Thanks for having me. Listen, we got women. I don't know if you know, I said it's in the Rock Nation building, but we have women from every different floor. I'm looking at all of y'all. They don't really work on this floor, and they're all here in attendance today. My style is, you got the old thing.

Danny wanted to help you to them. You don't have this. I mean, you want it to help. Today is extra female. I'm not Dominic Conner that's in the seven floors. She's up. They all escaped to this floor. It was like GSA getting in here.

I see people that never, ever wanted to sit in on an episode today. They're mysteriously. It's extra female head. They did it. How does it feel to know that you could take any guy's wife in the world? Like, what is it feeling like, Jess? I don't think about it like that. You have to.

You have to. I mean, you know, knowing is enough sometimes. They don't mean you got to do it. No doubt. You know what I mean? See, I never knew that. Like, I know I'm not ugly, but I never knew, like, I never knew enough. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, you know, I had to chase my wife for weeks. Yeah, for sure. You know, I mean, you just wanted them like, you know, I got. He's just go like this. It's talking to my brother. Growing up in Chicago, first of all, I was. dad. That shit was rough.

I mean, that was the 80s crack era of Chicago. I mean, I left in junior high because this issue was, it was wild, and my mom wanted me to survive it. But it was real. I mean, I'm so grateful for it. I had an incredible childhood. It was just, it was 80s.

Well, you moved to from Chicago. I moved from Chicago to Massachusetts. Wow. I moved, yeah, I became a nigga real trip. That was my parents got divorced. My mom moved to a different art school, and I got a whole lot of family in New England. I think she just wanted to be closer to family

because we were kind of isolated. Are you like Cape Verdeans? No, there's Matt Cape Verdeans. In Bedford, Matt Cape Verde. Everybody thought I was Cape Verdean. I mean, everywhere I think I'm them. Puerto Ricans think I'm Puerto Rican. Brazilians think I'm Brazilian. You know what I mean? Like, you're bled in everywhere. You get them where this guy.

Personally, I'm not speaking Spanish. He got that shit. You can throw a fucking habaja on and go in Dubai and be a Dubai guy. I'm saying. That's next. That might be the next one. He's everything. Then, you went to Temple? T.U.

Went to Temple University, yeah. What was that? Temple was dope. That was a good time, too, because it was, I was a temple right when, like, the roots were taken off. Erica, Jazzy, Fat Nassi, Common, Black Star. Everybody was there. Everybody was there for, I was there for all that Soul Choirians, DeAngelo.

Like, there was just, like, this renaissance, free shows everywhere. Every night, Jazzy Fat Nassi's Five Spot. Like, you know. But you would just see real music, ill hip hop all the time. You know, shout out to like, you know, electric factory. Jill Scott fell in love with Joe Scott there. And we had our basketball team was nice too. That's when we had like Pepe Sanchez, Quincy Wadley.

We played Lamar Odom at URI. We played them like, we made like the Elite 8. Okay. Live on TV. Coach Cheney. It's our motto is T-U motherfucker. So that didn't really work well for ESPN. It was like live on ESPN.

And they never came back. But we had coach training. No doubt. We had coach trainers. Yeah, that was a good year. And I taught high school in Philly for a few years. What was that like? That was dope.

That was the best job I ever had. You know, I taught high school in the hood. Explain that to us. Just for the love of the kids? Yeah, for the love of the kid for how important it was. Bad ass kids. You're some bad ass kids there too. They got a better detective in the fucking from first to sixth grade.

We had that too. I had a detective. kids with a loaded gun in my class. Like, I had the, like, I had a high school. High school. And I looked like I was in high school. I was in my early 20s. They had guns. We had a daycare center. They had babies. Like, you know.

Kids in the school had babies. Oh, yeah, we had a daycare center. Like, it was, yeah, a lot of the girls were pregnant. It was real shit. It's where we came from. So it was like, we were, I was that badass kid. Like, it was, I've been definitely had my life turned in the right direction by great teachers before. And I was trying to do that. Like, it was, it was beautiful work.

It was important. I had really great students I taught like you know I turned every class I was a sub long term sub at first and I would have turned everything into African history and it was beautiful

it was just changed but it's such a lack of that right because right now I just saw they have a museum right now when they're trying to like erase African American history yeah basically making it

just got the gun that killed Emmett Till the person who found it is also the guy who wrote the book about Emmett Till, and he says there is no mention of Emmett Till in no history book in the whole school system throughout the civil rights era, nothing like that. So it's so important to teach African-American history

to the youth because we don't know. Like, you know, I argue with these people on the time. Like, you know, sometimes I'm in the car and somebody says something, I don't say, do you know the traffic stop was created by a person? Do you know the plasma What's Charles Richardson do? None of this shit works if they know what we created.

Like the whole hustle of the society and white supremacy, the con doesn't work if you actually understand the role of the contributions that black folks and that won't work. And this shit don't start with slavery. If you learn where Greece actually studied,

where Rome actually study, where they learn in Africa, where institutions and mathematics and all these things came from, it's not just like to feel good. It's the actual history is foundational of all this shit. rise and fall, you know what I mean?

Like, we're in one, that's going to fall. I hope we're not while I'm here. Yeah, but being able to fall. Being able to, well, every empire falls. Yeah. Like, so you know how we feel like this is America and can't nobody come blow us up? We saved this. That's bullshit.

It happened to every empire in the past. Yep. You know, and what's crazy is I just came back on a flight from Dubai with a couple that went to Egypt. There's one place I've never been to that I always want to go to. Yeah, me too. And I was talking to them

and they were like, yo, you know, King Tutt. Like, I find this confusing. They was like King Tut is still in the tomb right there. You could see him. And I'm like, how could you see King Cut? Didn't he die like 10,000 years ago? Don't even like disintegrated and all that?

But the main thing about it was they were explaining that the pyramids were made so that if there's an earth It sways with the earthquake. You can't blow them buildings. Them buildings won't fall. They've survived everything. And I've seen they had AC.

You know how hot it is? In fucking Egypt? The Pharaohs and on that AC. They figured out how to make AC all these years ago with the water system and all that. These guys were brilliant. I'm not lying. Uh-oh.

Google. Oh, my God. He threw a flag on the play. High House still. My AC don't work sometimes. I don't have AC all the way. It has ventilation. They had air.

Air shafts. You know what I'm talking about? Talk to them, educator. It's keeping it shaded. Keeping it shade. How many things are at temples connected to Stark, the constellations. He explained it the right way. Yeah.

You made a scene like they got situated like we got. They just plug that shit in, Jay. It's 12-12. 221. It's 140 degrees outside. Yeah. a way for you to make it cool I got that adapter

the point is there's been extra extraordinary intelligence with with Africans African Americans that they don't teach him so

you're a school teacher in Philly yeah and you teach in the kids that absolutely every chance every every chance you get I mean I'm teaching I'm showing them you know

figures in African history including Kemet black as they are, with corn roads that are the leading irrigators, astronomers, architects,

city planners, physicians, surgeons, all these things well before Europe came out of the dark ages. And you just watch

your students, just like I did when my dad was teaching this to me, posture change, lifting up, like asking questions now involved.

Like, it includes me. It's the only element of school that includes you and it's telling you that you already been here. You didn't come from the mud. You ain't come from slavery at it at the beginning of nothing.

the end of something. And our confidence, and it's not just for us. You think, you know, if white kids and everybody else also had to learn that we invented, you can't walk through this country without touching ten things that an African invented, that affects you. Why don't we mention something that come to mind just so for the kids that's watching right now? Elevator, refrigeration, early cell phone technology, what did you say?

You said traffic light. Lewis Ladimer and the light ball The actual work with Edison Winning Lynn with higher to go light All of London They don't know that That's right

That's right That's right Charles Drew Slatman PURRS Charles Drew Life and Medicine Truth on Edison

What I'm saying to you is And I was thinking the other day I said man You know Tupac and Biggie Were young kids Yeah Right

And 26 and what 25 Yeah but whatever came to their mind like Tupac was talking about real shit that happens right now and big too. And so back in that day,

because I was trying to think like other than his family being Black Panthers and stuff like that, I was like trying to think of him and Biggie, they was talking about issues that was happening at the time. And then I thought about it and said, well, you know, we was coming right off of Kara Swan, Public Enemy, Queen Latifah,

that whole poor rights. that whole borrances, all that conscious movement. So they were more like the lyricists, but they were including consciousness in the music. I see a lack of that, unless I don't know, with the youth today. Yeah. Like I see a lack of that, you know, at least we caught that in our era, you know,

talking about like when he made a song like, why. But why comes from, you know, he's of that era. From people in front of them. And so it's very important. if we teach our history. Why do you think that, do you think we can get that level of musicality back, that level of songwriting

where it's about just love and real shit in our community from that entire era? I would say we'll have to go the way you went about teaching your class. Like when we're amongst each other and you make it sound interesting, interesting and they want to learn

then the posture change. Yeah. Then the music would change. Right. So lead them by example, maybe a couple OGs need to do something just to see that it is cool, that there is something. Well, I also believe in our culture, that's how you start to spread. Someone's got to leave.

Yeah. What I believe is cool is that I don't want to be in our interest. You can't be about money, okay, because the way hip-hop is fucked up is it just, it went from an art form that was created by poor people in the Bronx. Don't, hey, I'm from the Bronx. Maybe we invented this shit. We won't have these couches in this motherfucker without the bronze. But wasn't for the Bronx, this crap shit.

Don't do that. But he knows I try to plug it every time. But the truth is, it came from an art form where these people, unfortunately, our pioneers who started this, they never got their money or they just do. No. Because they did it out of love. And if they would do it 10 times again, 100 times again, they were going there and party for free again.

And so this conscious movement of this time right now can't be currency-based because now people is all thinking about let me get one hit and I'm going to make my money. It's a bag, is a lick. They're not preserving the culture. They're not so much about teaching the youth or whatever. So it got to be a group of people, a group of people. A collective decision.

Yeah, they're saying, hey, yo, fuck money. And you can make money making good music. money, but you don't... Good music makes good money, but you guys be inventive and create a national ball. Yeah. To fund that.

It might be our job. Or find it and lift it up, have a bond. We're going to donate... We make a lot of money. Yeah. Let's donate some money towards those guys who's trying to give

the positive message and ain't making no money. He's not even about the money. Like you said, you have to show them firsthand. That is cool. And then in it starts... Well, I think what about it?

It also. we have to remember and make it anti-blackness has got to be uncool. It's like, how many niggas you can destroy, us just killing each other and eviscerating each other. And I think it was a young, brilliant brother, you know Vince Staples. He said in an interview

it was good to hear from a young artist mouth. Like, the emcees used to rap about having a sling crack, right? Having to be alchemist and create something out of nothing, having a push dope. And now it's the drug users. Now it's the drug addicts, making music about being addicted

to drugs and using drugs. And that's the shift because we're all listening. We're absorbing it. Those high school kids are rapping it. We memorize it. You can't memorize your time, stables, or the history, but you know the song. They had a kid out of Philly brilliant.

Yeah, that kid was a lot. All he rapped about was positive. Really positive, beautiful brother. He just gave him two blocks in Philly. Yeah, and that three blocks. Yeah. You know, but that right there touched me. Because this kid, he was doing that.

Yeah, he was one of the few doing the comments. movement. It wasn't enough, though. It wasn't enough behind me. It wasn't, he was alone. He was the, he was the under, you know, it's more of the negativity than him. He was the outcastment.

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Your first Your first breakthrough came through New York Act. It's Showcase. What was that condition? That was, you know, I had just started. Again, I didn't start, I was teaching up, I didn't start really acting until I was in my late 20s. And I got this,

I was working at a law firm's in New York. And I hit up an old agent, an old commercial agent to see if you could put me on just to try to really act. And I got a small agency and they sent me to this, ABC did a like a diversity showcase. They make a little spot where they'll let non-woman, white actors gonna get a shot so we do a little we do a little you know like a little

little area you get to do your thing and you get to do a scene from a play and managers and agents will come and watch and I've made a lot of lifelong friends from that showcase it was like 12 of us black actors black and brown actors that came up and and then ABC would bring you to auditions like just just fuck up auditions I was just doing horrible at auditioning it pulled me aside like yo what are you doing why are you looking over there do this I because I didn't go to acting school and I ever took an acting class. I never even wanted to be an actor. Like, I didn't have any training.

So they were a beautiful place that I could kind of just, you know, like help me make my mistakes there and gave me shots and shots and shots. And then eventually years later, I got a show on ABC from LA, different office. But still, like, that was, I really appreciate it. They really, like, gave me a big, I mean, New York gave me, that was where I, you know, you know, yeah, cut my teeth. Yeah. They say, you know, you said there's some roles as thugs and crows.

criminals that pay rent. Well, it was funny because my first, that's real. My first, like, seven auditions were, like, robbing white people in, like, New York shows. And it was me. They were, like, I watched my friends who actually had, like, far less options than that. Obviously, I get all the privileges you could possibly get as a black person, like, the way I look, the way they prioritize the way I look, which got none to do with me. And I was still, like, cornrows, like, robbing some white person on a train, like, is posted up outside the spot. And it was like, damn, y'all, like, this is the only way in.

My whole life, I have begged them to be a school bus driver. They always make me a gang leader, a fucking mafia, a robber. Like, I've never been a nice guy in the role. I wonder if you're the only person that you were a train conductor. You were a train conductor and some? Yeah. You know, I was looking at this shit. I think it was the Cardi B episode.

You know, sometimes he's, you know, he's a real clever and witty guy. Sometimes it takes me to look at the video. To figure out the shit what you're doing, right? I know. But you said, okay, this guy's a funny dude. He said they put you on a TV, they made you wrestling in mud or some shit. It didn't make me wrestling in the mud. What is it?

On the show, Queen, on Queen, remember that this? It's another episode for me to catch that. Queen? Yeah, the Queen showed that Eve. No, remember the show Queens? Oh, Eve and Brandy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a muscle.

They had a wrestling. The gun fell. I had to wrestle in the mud. It was freezing and rain. Oh, so you were strapping. He was scrapping and it ended up in the mud. You weren't like in a ring with like jeans shorts on. No, there's a scene that.

He was rained outside the crib, but it was mud. All right. So what level? That's a good question. It broke me. What won't you do acting? Because it's acting. But what won't you do?

What role would you be like, yo, I'm not. I pass on roles all the time. I mean, but it's not You gotta be fortunate Could you let them in? I mean, I don't know You know, my job is also My job is to not be me

My job is to embody it in somebody else's life So I'm open to, you know, doing scary shit that I wouldn't otherwise do But it's definitely like, you know, that I'm not doing shit that's detrimental to my people You know what I mean? Like that was, that's the shit I don't do Many times I've had to tell agents or producers

Like, that's just racist Not only am I doing it, but take it out. By the way, he's over here telling me Nothing like you. Yeah, no, please you gentlemen at home watching this. He's telling me let the man talk.

I'm trying to conduct the real interview why he's only... Yo, let him talk. Let him talk. Why? You got something in mind? No, because I love this.

I want to say it's Ethan Hawke. He's a great actor. I love them. Boy, he played a child predator one time and I never liked them again. I see what you mean. I see what he bothered me. Yeah.

That means he did this. But that means he did a great job. That's just so there is a, there is sometimes. playing like dirty motherfuckers. Like playing some people especially as like a parent, like something that looks like real evil.

But in doing that. The guy who played all with Tina Turney smacking an I. How could you ever like him? If you get mad at him, that means it was effective. And also by portraying that person,

you're bringing light to what it looked like so that you can have more like attentiveness to that character in your life. Like it actually could be like a warning. Who's a guy who's a guy played in Training Day We, we, we, that was even Hawkeman, that was a car. He fucked me up. He did a movie. Yeah.

I did the next movie. I never liked him again. Yeah. Yeah. To this day, when I see him, he pops up. I'm like, yo, I don't know. Like, I don't fuck with this guy. Huh. But you give me a good perspective. You saying he actually nailed the part. Yeah. He had he did an amazing, such an amazing job that it made it real for you. And it's like, it's like, um, who we just lost. You didn't know that. You got, you got some credit. You got some credit. Then Zell didn't talk to Rizzo for the whole Frank Lucas, right?

So then when they went to the screen, and he's like, you didn't speak to me for months. He told him, nigga, he was police. I was Frank Lucas. I couldn't talk. So he's staying in character to the whole movie's over. Let me ask this one question, right? Because I actually did some research with you, right?

Don't do that. But, no, no, I just want to make sure the man. But in researching you, I researched some motherfucking African-American history. Okay. This woman is Shonda Rines. Yeah, gee. Tell me about Shonda Rines. She's a G.

I mean, she got- Graze Anatomy. Yeah. Scandal. She created huge shows. She's still creating huge shows. She's a, she's in order. Yeah, but let me be skipping around.

That's all good. I did it. Because I just want to keep it chronological. He was the teacher Oh shit What we're doing We're doing them Biographically

Oh shit Yeah Yeah He did the small rows This thing This is morning Yeah Oh

You know this guy After the small rose After the You know They allowed them to mess up But one of them is say About the woman And he landed

Grinch Didn't he can tell us about Yep I landed that as soon as I came I moved from Brooklyn To L.A and got that That was supposed to be

Like two episodes I ended up doing 10 years on that show and to have such an intelligent person as a as the creator is somebody you can look up to and talk to um and she looked out for me too you know when i gave that BET speech everybody was trying to take my job signed petitions and all these all this bullshit crying um how is it crap my life threatened my kids like i'd have i'd have 24-hour like armed guards and shit they were threatening to kill me and all this stuff and they were trying to get her to fire me and she was she like

posted like hell no that's not happening like don't having a black boss is very valuable in moments like that but more importantly like yeah a wise smart uh person with with some vision but um she's incredible and she created a show that's incredible it's still on 20 some years um but i think like 30 39 percent of women in medical school credit raise anatomy with inspiring them to she's got to be in the textbook now in the high school and speaking of which put in black people in a high ranking in roles without it being about race Like just putting Isaiah Washington, Jim Pickens

you know, the character Bailey, Sean Drew Wilson that are like in powerful positions highly intelligent, cerebral people that it's not about them neck jive and demonstrating some bullshit

like because we always stereotype version of black comedy show. But the era comedy show is huge for that. The error was great that the error on TV

but then you came in a little more serious error. Yeah, that was a drama and that was a comedy. Yeah. You need them both. I mean, we need everything. That's the thing.

We need them. We need everything. I mean, there's a lot of pressure. I remember pressure back in the UPN days, WB. Those networks, it was just comedies, comedies, comedies, comedies, and they got a lot of shit for Coonin and all that. And it was like, but that was the only place black people could work. Yeah.

And they're comedians. That's what they're doing. It's not work. But when you only, when you have, white folks got 170 channels that they can do everything and they can shoot up a school or bomb something. It doesn't affect their day in terms of, but we like, you know, one little channel, it can stereotype your whole people. so it's a different level of pressure.

You know, let's... Can I ask the man a question? So he asked more questions than a row. Somehow he became the library in the day or stuff. This is keeping it in order, you got to have... Skip, skip, skip. Order on a set.

Come on, skip. How about get the fuck out of here with all these smart questions you got today? I do. Oh, you got... Oh, my God. Don't shoot facts show up. I mean, God.

Don't shoot me up. Okay, I'm ready. These flags, created for me. It's a brilliant idea. Because every time I go crazy, they throw a flag at me. They're like, yo, come back to earth. What you got? I don't know. I just forgot what I was about

to fuck this day. Do you want to take my smart board? No, no. My thing is I was there when you gave the speech a BET. You were. Yes, I was in the audience. And pause, you blew my mind.

And I was just like, I didn't know you. It's so funny people still say, Paul. Yeah. That's their fault. These guys, they're the poorest police. So if I step on shit, like, you know, there's some episodes like, pause, pause, pause, this guy hides under the table because, like, you know, I'll say some shit, right? Like, I'm a fuck up.

Yeah. But listen, you out there, you're giving this speech, I just realized, because, you know, we're not in your life. Yeah. You've got to live your life every day. He lives his life. I live my life. But I realize in the level of acting you're in,

it's not like you're making TV flicks for BET. You're with white people all day, grazing the anatomy. So for you to come on the front line and make this beautiful speech, activism, that takes even more courage for you. Because I'm not siloed away from the power that actually... Yeah, you actually stood up for your people

and then you went back to work on Monday. By then, people in my life knew what it was. You know what I mean? Like, that's how I was, at that time, I was on the news a lot. I was in Ferguson. I was in Florida. We were losing a lot of young brothers and sisters at the hands of the police. So I was on the news a lot popping that shit.

So, like, it wasn't a total surprise of people who knew me. The larger world who maybe only saw me play a character, that was what kind of shook them up. But that's all the more reason why I care so much is because, you know, I'm in many ways being biracial and I'm the invisible man I see, I know, and you know what else

it is? It's like being around white society and the way it works and I have been at pivotal points in my life it's a real simple thing. I'm not scared of white people and so many of us are terrified of white folks at the real core of it because it's a scary, powerful hammer that can

flatten you and make you disappear in two seconds and then blame you. We see it happen all day, every day. I got some friends that are white. I got some friends that are Jewish that I love to death. I got friends that are Muslims I love to death. I'm all about the principle. I'm all about if you're good for me and I love you.

I love you no matter what color, no matter what. As it should be. I'm not going to stand in and tell you I'm scared of some guy because he's white or he's this, he's that. That's not me. Like I'm not running for that. I don't care. I'll go back to four chicken wings and french fries.

I don't give a fuck. Yeah. Like, it's sad to feel that way, but that's who I am. I don't give a fuck. Like me, you can't scare me with position. You can't scare me with money. You can't scare me with none of that shit. Like me, I'm just like, yo, it is what it is.

Like, I grew up so fucking poor. I'm not scared of being poor guys. You already been there. I know. A lot of people don't understand that. We already been there. So you're saying you were half white. You grew up half white.

You don't want to be poor right now. No, why don't? I'm going to actually say this is the first time you through that flag and you are all right that's what I do too that was a good flag I drove there here

just telling everybody I was like yo we're so fucking blessed man yeah what happened yeah he pissed them off with that you pissed rich off saying that

no I don't want to be poor no he's the last person in the world that wants to be poor but it's not a mystery you've been there you know what it's like

so it can't scare you it doesn't threaten you in that way as some like some terror some monster that you haven't actually seen before. I feel you.

I feel you. But I take your point. You know what I was saying. It's like there's a large, there's a fear, because you were talking about a fear and like a bravery. And I said,

I didn't think about it that way because I was so familiar already and made myself clear. I started acting. I was a grown-ass man. I had many jobs from here, from Chicago, from Philly, everywhere else. I just happen to have a mic now.

So I didn't, I just didn't change who I was because you put a camera on me. I wasn't running from nothing or changing anything. And I think that just surprised folks. And it's also just how I grew up. I grew up in this.

The acting came later. So I think that was just an unorthodox way in which to make your way on to a free of each show. I actually love your family tree or however we tracked from L.A. to Massachusetts to Philly. I mean, your journey was in. You was in that shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I picked up a lot. It's totally authentic.

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Let's do it. We got to to do a toast. So what? He could take anybody's new show, man. You got a new

fucking show. He got the new show he's going to tell us about. This guy's a fucker trophy. You're over here talking about taking people's wives. We over here

promoting the new show, man. These girls over here I've never seen before out here, man. The fuck of you told my miss over there. Look,

she ain't never been out here, man. She don't even work here. They don't even work here. They snuck in the fucking bill. The glasses is chipped or shit. Oh, we got that frosty. glasses.

You want to actually say what's this guy's beauty? Look at the glasses. Don't Danny. Track. Danny, you're terrible. We did many of toast. They never gave the chilled ones.

They gave the chilled glasses for Jeff. All right. The best. Only the best. Joe said he don't want to be broke no more, so you got to act like it. No, I definitely don't want to be broke. We only do

Ace of Spade Toast for major events and major things. So, you know, I mean, we're going to pour them first and then we're going to let y'all know what's going on. Why are we doing this? There you go. Let's know, teamwork make the dream work. Water and fire make the steam work. You know what I mean?

I forgot he's a rapper, huh? Top five dinner alive. Yo, Toaster Joe and Jada. Joe and Jada and also the other new show host Hotel Coast Seattle. Costaia. There we go. Hostiazza. There we go. Hey, so what's that about?

You got that JD's Italian. Don't got that JD's Italian, man. Hotel Costaiana. We might need, we might need on season two. You need me on season two, baby. Cheers. Tell us about this whole show Costaetta.

Very well. So, you know, speaking to all this, all this shit, we talk about a lot of my life is real serious. I always got social justice and a lot of things going on. I wanted to make something light. I wanted to get out the country.

It's a big world out there. We get trapped in this bubble thinking it used to be. This is a big, big, big, beautiful world out there. I wanted to go make something somewhere else and make something light and easy. So much of my shit is, you know, dead serious, focused, urgent, important, and that's valuable. But I wanted to make something that's kind of like, growing up as a kid, they're like action movies, right? Run around, kicking some ass, beautiful places, 80s, 90s shows.

So it's about this guy, Daniel DeLuca is a former Marine, Italian, born Italian, but grew up in the U.S., black, white, Italian, American, a street, a hood kid in Naples as a kid, but then now he's in the military of 20 years. Fire. And he got kicked out. And now he's just trying to like figure out what to do with his life. Don't have no family. Don't have nothing.

Goes back to where he was born and just kind of like, as they say, like licking his wound, just trying to figure out what to do next. Takes a job at a luxury hotel, just handling business, fixing shit for people, rich people, make sure people are good. And then the hotel owner's daughter goes missing. So he's hired to find her.

So he's like solving cases. in this beautiful Amalfi Coast and he speaks Italian I speak Italian in the show I'm the only American in the show we got Italian, Spanish English, French Libyan like a whole cast

of characters and he's just on this adventure trying to save the missing girl but also solve cases for guests and it's just easy beautiful whipping speedboats, motorcycle Azaradis you know I mean just like you have a good job

I look at the trailer the trillers like change bond with the transported with MacGy with some motherfucker Magnum Pee's fucking fired on his job I don't know about him but I'll say the truth

I'll say my truth I don't know about him but I have taken the fact that we travel for granted because I don't like flying and boy we got to talk about that right now about going to Mongolia so I don't like flying

my biggest fee on earth I just told you I ain't scared of nobody fucking terrified the minute that shit go like this. I'm like hugging the next person, praying. No one gives more prayers than me on a plane and anybody. I am T.D. Jakes on the plane. So you take a sleeping pill and just pass out?

I don't, I don't, because I don't use drugs either. Okay. So I just stuck it out. God, thank you for facing my fear. Yeah. God, I love you. God, look at this little baby, please. Crying, my dread eye.

If you're, if, you know, I'm Jesus Christ, but let's obey the Jewish. guy praying over there. I want for everybody to get there sick, right? My thing is I'm preaching. I'm Joe Loh's thing on the bed. It's over, right? But my point is, I went to jail for four months, right?

And I complained about going to Europe. I complained about going to all these places. But when I would sit up in my bunk and look out the little window, I would just think about how beautiful the streets was in Italy or the streets, Germany. Yeah.

And one of the only things I really missed was being abroad in these places that I used to be like, fuck his shit, I hate it. They smoked too many cigarettes. I used to have nothing but complaints. Yeah. But in that four months, I just would think about just walking down the street in Italy or Rome or something and be like, damn, that shit was so fly. Yeah.

And so you get to do a TV show over there. It's pretty cool. And the fruit was amazing. Yeah, food was amazing. Food was not only amazing, but, like, I was eating pasta and bread and all that shit all day, every day, lost 13 pounds. Yeah?

Because it's real food. Real, yeah. All that shit is humped with all this and rich bullshit. And so many of them said that when they come to America, they get sick, they get fat. Even if they're trying to eat well, when we go there, you eat like crazy, and you're fine. So, Jess, I wore glasses on purpose

because I didn't want you to feel bad about being these. the only person with green eyes, too. Because I got a juke out there. Joey good at that. Joey, green eyes picked your one. Come on, man. You know, this shit coming for more. Yo, what's...

What, man? I got a shameless plug, baby. Yeah. I got the green. I got the green. My son be like, yo, damn, dad. Why you ain't giving me the green eyes? I said, yo, I wasn't my choice.

My point, we got to go back to the... I just came back from Montau. Yeah, talk about it. Right? And Mongolia. Why were you in Mongolia? Beautiful people. I had a concert.

We love hip hop. Dope. These people were incredible people. Yeah. Anybody who could have the distance on a plane, it's worth it. Go to Mongolia. Beautiful, beautiful people.

Shout Mongolian people. They love hip-hop. They love you guys. They asked about you. You know, everybody thinks I've got this guy in the hip now. Joe and Jay. They think I bring the guy in my backpack. Business me.

You might hire a fat Joe. They think I got him in the backpack. Send me back over. But the point is, I have one friend that I think of. He's dumb, right? No, no, no, no. He's one of my best friends. No, no, no, no, no.

Don't get more. Don't have a flag. You got a hold of it, Joe. Come on. He's, we didn't know where you were going with that. No, no, no, no. You know what I'm sorry to about. It's the most loyal, most best guy in the world, but he's not that bright.

Got it. And then at sometimes. I'm jealous of him because ignorance is bliss. Sometimes when you dumb, you don't even know the danger. Yeah, yeah. Now, I fly to Mongolia where you got to go. I went because I like breaking up the trips. So I go to Dubai, chill one day.

You like to get as many flights in as possible because you love flying so much. Break that shit, that 18 hours I ain't doing. So I go to Dubai, 13 hours. Okay. Five hours to Turkey, where everybody got their hair, shit going on. Everybody in the whole, listen, Turkey got the best airport in the world. But it's so weird when you're at the food court. Yeah.

And every guy got like a line. Same car, the same line. Blug coming out. Everybody's going over there to fix their hair. That's the spot. Yes. But it's like so normal. Yeah.

I guess it's like going to Columbia girl, you know, every girl's in the airport. It's like, yeah. Like in Turkey, all the guys are going to get their hair done over there. So you're eating fucking Popeye's and the guys. in front of you got the fucking everybody walking through. I'm like, yo, this shit is crazy. Yeah.

But, um... You didn't think about it while you were there. You're like, fucking I'm out of here. If I had air right now, first of all, my name wouldn't be Fadjo. My name would be Huddolfo. And my... The turkey like this.

I had that shit, the part right here with the... If I could grow air, it'd be so... On the turkey, I just seen it. It'd be disrespectful. No, I ain't going to do for the air. Fat Joe, he don't even look right if you get here. But the point of it is...

is, I go to Dubai, the bag was legend. So, no, the bag was legend, guys. We're going shopping later. The wife is ready. He's going to shopping. She's toned in. She's staring at the window. He's coming. He got the bag, right? There ain't no lot. I forgot my brothers

just told me. Yeah, they hate, they say I blow too much money. But listen, I go Emirates, my favorite airline, right? Then I got Turkey Airlines. So Turkey Airlines is one of the best. food was amazing.

So I'm comfortable. No matter where I'm going. I'm going Mongolia. I could go to Somali. Wherever I go, if I'm in them credible airlines, it at least helps after battle. Absolutely.

Absolutely. We do Mongolia. They feed us. By the way, Mongolian beef is a myth. They don't have that over there. The Mongolian beef, we eat in the Chinese place here.

We went over. It's not even Mongolian. It's like General-Siles chicken. It's like, they don't have that. Pizza being fake. You get the Italy to realize they don't. got pizza. Yeah.

We landed. Everybody had the same idea. Yo, we want Mongolian beef. They was like, yo, that shit ain't bad. That's not going to happen here. That ain't us. You want a rib, I?

That ain't us. You want a New York. No Mongolian beef, guys. When you go to the ghetto Chinese worldwide, there's no such thing as Mongolian beef. That's what I learned. Number two is, so we go all we do to show these people treat me like a million dollars.

I don't know how to tell you, Mongolian people, some of the nicest people in the world. The next morning we go to the airport. We got the greed up. We in the lounge. And then I realized, I'm like, and they're like, yo, Joe, what's wrong? And my face is off.

You could read me when I was that. They're like, I realize we're flying back to Dubai and Mongolian airlines. Uh-huh, which you had never heard of. And if you're watching that side of the world, it's the Asian planes that keep sinking in the middle and missing the shit. Okay. This is why I tell you, ignorance is a split.

This is where the racial profiling comes to. Yeah, not racing plane racing plane. It's the Asian planes going down out there. Like the biggest shits, they go there. I don't know what it is. But at that point, I'm like, damn, they fuck me, man. I thought I was going back Turkish, yeah? Yeah.

You know what I'm in the Asian shit? I say, yo, everybody's like, yo, what's wrong? I'm just like, nah, nah, y'all don't want to know what's wrong. They're like, yo, but what's wrong? I said, you know, these the shits to go down. These shit's right here. You know, but listen. No, I'm just saying to us.

So I get on the flight, thank God. Great food, smooth flight, but I was terrified. Mongolian beef. That's why I like to be ignorant is bliss. Yeah, yeah. Because I know. You're about to say niggerence is bliss? No, not.

Niggerence is bliss. I mean, if you're going to be ignorant, might as well be with me. Yeah. Niggerish is real. Ingerence is bliss. That's a heck single day. That's pretty crazy, y'all. Yeah.

That's fucking crazy But the point is We made it back Yeah But you know It's my biggest fear Man But you know

Shout out the Mongolia Man These people were phenomenal Bro No I'm telling you It's 30 degrees I thought that plane Was going down

But we made it You know it's the coldest It's the coldest place In the world It's in between Russia Oh yeah China So when you see the Asians

They've got the fur hats Yeah that's Siberian shit That's their winters It's 50 degrees under Yeah So you know, yeah, brother, I'm sorry about that. We listen, we're short on time.

Listen, my brother. What advice would you give a young biracial American trying to find their place and have voice? It depends on what voice you want to find. Spend time with black folks. No doubt. The greatest answer to you. You know, just you can't go wrong.

Just get with your people. I've seen this, and I don't want to talk like that. These are my friends and I love them at death and I'm not talking about nobody. But when the Black Lives Matter, I've got a niece. I'll call her niece. And she's half black, half white. And I've seen her going through, like, understanding where she comes from. And they had a hard time.

Like, you know what I mean? This girl's beyond love. But she was trying to find herself in the middle of life. Where she fits. Where she fits. And this is a beautiful girl. She's smart, college now, everything. But I seen her go through it.

Like questioning and like... I think people fall for like the false dichotomy. It ain't us versus them. It's not everything I... The news used to be the news. Now it's just idiots talking and sharing opinions they feel. I'm trying to make it us first them. Bad versus good.

White versus black. Ain't about all that. But people trying to demonstrate that they might matter is because they love themselves and they're trying to say maybe don't squash me for no reason. Like that got nothing to do with disliking white people. It's got nothing to do with it. It's not about this kind of invented battle going.

It's just spreading love, loving yourself enough to demand respect. There's no people in the history of the world that have a God and respect. They don't respect themselves and don't demonstrate it. Like, that's what it comes down to. Everybody struggles with identity. I don't care what race you are. You're 13, 15. You're trying to figure out who you are.

You want to listen to that new album. You want to be different, but you also want to be the same. You don't want to be isolated out, but you want to isolate yourself out and wear that cool thing and wear that cool shirt. and people are trying to find themselves. Adults are trying to find themselves. I mean, we don't know what we're doing. We're trying to figure it out.

So just don't let, I would just say to her, I would just not let the media try to convince you that just because somebody, you know, freedom ain't pie. If I get a piece, I'm taking a piece from you. It's not something locked in, just giving other people access to the freedom, life, liberty that this country is so proud of doesn't mean they're taking something from you.

Letting gay folks have rights don't mean it's taking Europe. Go ahead, get married, B. Like, that got none to do it. It's got none to do with you. nobody's taking anything from you there's always the people in power always exaggerate and pretend to play victim

and if you need somebody to be quiet and shut the fuck up in order for you to do what you're doing then you're probably doing something foul with that being said Hostel Costaiera that's right that was pretty damn good Hotel Costaiera

I'm prime today we don't got that much time but I got two minutes he could put us to it what you got I got the Cosby show of good times I mean my era I grew up on a Cosby show. The Cobes is one of the greatest sitcoms ever.

No. You take Cosby. You take Cosby. I didn't. I've seen every episode. That was your era. Sherman Helmsley. Was In your living room?

Sherman Hansley's off good George Jefferson. That's not. Oh, George. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, Joe. No, Joe.

No, Joe. No. No. That's moving on up to the east side. I'm going to say Sanford and son all the way. Baines brothers. Sanfordison. Yo, that boy was the best.

That's Red Fox. Yeah, that's Red Fox. That's Red Fox. Sherman Hounsley. Sherman. He's never getting too much. I'm still trying to be Sherman Hounds. Sherman Hemsley was a G.

You see how he walks. He's cutting it up. That's walking my house. Give me that James Brown. Oh, yeah. Walk in my house and walking my shit. Yeah. That you're a, you better stop fucking with my, I want a baggy shit today.

I like on that leg Sherman. Yo, that's the Sherman. Help me. That stanky leg, go ahead, Joe. Oh, not you, too. Different strokes, fresh prints. I mean, again, you get me with the generational show. I didn't watch different strokes.

I'm not that old. It was on. It was on. It was on, but I wasn't, like, I wasn't, like, I wasn't 13 years old. Like, like, what did you say? What was the other one? Fresh Prince was my adolescence. Like, that was, I could see it eye to eye.

Different stroke, I got to catch reruns, you know what I mean? Yeah, what you want to say, brother? Because you've been running this. Because you know, I've been looking for you. I've been looking for you. Facts of life. Hold on. I've been looking for you.

106 and box. What's that? What's that? Where you fight the time? Yeah, why you can rewind the time. I want to put you on a box. I own this company. Rewind the 10.

Travis, Kelsey, DJ Katz. You ain't win no bumps. Nicky Jam, Tyson, Beckford. It's legend, yeah. Who do I got to talk to? What is this would do? Is this like this pain in your skin? Why you sleep?

Okay. I like that. You have my curiosity. Now you got my attention. You know what I'm saying? Because I see you leave a couple of whites over there. Yo, Jeter. Hold up.

I got a lot of whites. I ain't get a... Why don't... It's a half white part right here. Why look at 43 when you could be 32? Why look 32 when you could be 22? Why fight the time? Why you can rewind the time?

I'm going to do some research. I'm going to do some research. It's a strong pitch. It's a very strong pitch. We're killing them, CVS. Saturdays. Stop and shock. Now, yo, Jada, I need them on the box.

Jay don't want to be on the box. So he's trying to push you up. He needs it that one. He needs to be on the box. He needs to be on the box. Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss.

I guess Jesse Williams Hotel Costiera on Prime. Check it out. Make some noise. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Right now. Thank you.

Appreciate. I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect podcast network. Join me every weekday as I share bite-sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. Stories like Erica Hunt. A young mother vanished without a trace after a family gathering on 4th of July weekend, 2016. No goodbyes, no clues, just gone. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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