Joe and Jada - Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis on Michael Jackson vs. Prince, Janet Jackson & New Edition stories, 2026 Vegas residency

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by one of the most prolific production duos in music history, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Jimmy and Terry break down their early years in Minneapolis with Prince, their expert opinions on what made Michael Jackson and Prince their own brand of superstars, the stories behind their work with Janet Jackson, New Edition, Luther Vandross, and the rest of your favorite artists, and what you can expect from their 2026 Las Vegas residency... although Joe and Jada could have told you themselves: you can expect HITS. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! Merch is here! https://joeandjadashow.com/ All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He was playing cooling the gang, and I was like, okay. All right, he knows what's up. And then he saw, well, you can say how you saw it. Well, I saw you, man, sitting in the lunchroom with a bunch of girls around the piano. Swooning in the women. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Hey! Hey! Hey! Yeah, yeah. What up, y'all? This is Joe Crack to Dawn. You know who it is, your boy, Jada. You know what it is?

The Joe and Jada show, every show legendary. every show iconic. And today, that tagline we use is a understatement for today's guests. Follow me now. When you think of today's guests,

you think of the soundtrack to your entire life. That's right. Seriously, the songs you fell in love to, the albums that made you feel invincible. The records that still make you stop whatever you're doing and turn it up. Together, they are the most successful songwriting and production duo in music history.

Did you hear me? Music history. History. The whole day. With more Billboard number one hits than any other writing and production team on the planet. You better listen to me. They helped create the Minneapolis Sound. Built a catalog that spans.

Janet Jackson, new edition, boys the men, Mariah Carey and so, so many more. And they did it all. Starting from getting fired by Prince. That firing. Best thing that ever happened to it. Best thing that ever happened to music. Ladies and gentlemen,

please give a super loud ovation for Jimmy Jim and Terry Lewis Wow I ain't got enough time in my hands But I'm trying I got to coin a phrase I have to make the next level Bigger than an icon

Because you guys are bigger than this People call themselves icon They might be legit icons but you guys are bigger than an icon. Like, we got to find the new word for bigger than the icon. It should just be their name. It should be the Jimmy J and Terry Lewis for the award. If you validate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like Jerry West. His name after them. The logo. The logo. Yeah, the logo of music. Oh, my God. Instead of a music sign, it's your swissed it. Yeah.

I like what you wrote. Yeah. I'm about to throw these flags. I know, right? Don't throw them yet. I'm going to say something. Listen, guys, Minnesota's own. Yeah, I work with Prince.

What was your, like, working arrangement with Prince? Because we know once you left them, you really, really blew up. But what was it like working with Prince? how did you meet him? What was that, Bob, like? Well, I can say I met Prince in junior high school. We went to the same junior high school. And we both took a piano class together.

We both already knew how to play, but it basically got us out of school for an hour. And the teacher would give us something like Mary had a little lamb or something. And then she'd leave. And as soon as she left, we'd be like just jamming. And I was just blown away by his talent. Both our dads, my dad's 99 years old, Cornbread Harris still plays every week.

But I had, my dad was a blues player. Prince's dad was a jazz player. So we both would just trade licks and do that. And Prince was amazing, man. I never seen anything like it, man. And I'll tell you, we did a little end of the year they were going to do like a musical. And they said, who wants to play in the musical? And so we all raised our hands.

And they said, okay, Prince, what do you want to play? And Prince said, guitar. And I looked at Prince like guitar. And they said, Jimmy, what do you want to? to play. And I said, uh, drums. And he looked at me like, drums. But I was a drummer in my dad's band. I was, I was 12 years old. Guys are crazy. So anyway, curveballs. Daddy. So anyway, when we did this little gig, man, I swear to God, he plugged the guitar and man, he ripped his solo off, man. And I just like, damn. And then I went to the bathroom. I heard somebody on the drums. I thought it was a drum

teacher. It was Prince on the drums. And then he, like, tried to hand the drumsticks back to me. And I was like, brother. Like, I mean, I've never seen any talent like that in my whole life. just amazing. You know, we always have that battle that MJ or Prince and a friend of mine, Rich de Barber, his father. He always said Prince

because he said Prince could play all the instruments. He knew everything you was explaining. That was his difference. He was like, he played the instruments. He made the music. He was like, he rated him a little higher

than MJ because he played instruments and all that. I think for me they're different because they just approach music in a different way. I think when you talk about, you know, we're the logo of music, okay, I love the idea of that. However, it's interesting because Prince's approach was as a musician. He was a musician first. Michael, but they both were like literally walking music. And we had the opportunity to work with both of them, which is, you know, pretty amazing. But Michael was the same way,

but different, you know, and Prince was very spontaneous and just, you'd start a song with Prince at the beginning of the day. You'd be done at the end of the day. You'd be done at the end of the with the song. Michael, you could sit on the more we did scream with him and Janet together. And every little word, he would be like, is that the right word?

We have to challenge ourselves to really make sure. And we'd be like, yeah. And after about three or four days of challenging ourselves, we'd be like, can we get in the studio and do this, man? Come on, man.

So he was very meticulous. But so each in their own way, man, they were special. You know? He said I saw Teddy Riley say, he was in the studio with Michael. The next thing you know, Michael stepped out.

He was like, yeah, I'm on a plane the San Trope. Yeah. I'll get you next month, Teddy. I'll be back to finish that vocal. He was like, yo, what the heck? Can we finish the song? This guy was gone.

Like, I'm like, yeah, man. And, you know, I could attest in hip hop one of the very few guys I ever worked with that was like Michaelish is Eminem. So Eminem, to send you the same

exactly. By the 40th time you hear the verse, you're confused. Like he would go, kiss and kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss. The whole verse, like, it's the same verse. But I don't know to him, he'll do it

a million times till he'll be like, no, no, no, that ain't it. Hold up, that ain't it. And you, by the time you listen to you, like, what the hell is different from the first time? Right. But he was that meticulous, With his music and his verse, he was just a perfectionist. You guys, man, for years, I know your story.

Thank God, we've both been sampling your music forever. Thank you. You guys are the gift that keeps giving. Thank you. We appreciate that. Love you for that. But you guys been behind the seats, right? But now you're outside.

And so you guys are doing, we outside. We outside. You know, you're doing shows. You're doing storytelling you this and that. I'm like, wow, these guys, what made y'all say, all right, we're telling our story? Well, just this time, I mean, we started out as musicians. That's what we were. That's what we are, always have been.

We were songwriters second and producers third, only because we couldn't find people to do our songs as producers better than we would do it ourselves. So we create the demos. and nobody would ever make them good as we made them in the bedroom. So we became producers out of necessity. But just being able to play, man, it's like it's such a freedom that you get from that. I haven't been able to do that in almost 40, 50 years since the time. And for me, it's like, damn, I only got one job. I just got to be the bass player.

And so now I'm free. My brain is open. You know, the same thing happens to me when I go to Vegas or something. I get on the crap tables or something. I'm free. I go to Disney. I get on a ride. I'm free.

That's free. All right. I like that feeling, though. I love being free. But, you know, it's funny, too, because if you think about it, when we started as musicians, we were actually in different bands. We had, like, Battle of bands all the time and stuff. But we were in different bands.

But the whole thing was you had to play everybody else's hit songs. like that's what people would come request other people's hit songs. So we had to learn how to play other people's hit songs. That taught us how to then write our own hit songs. Yes. Right. So in our local bands, you know, 40 years ago, like Terry's saying, we were playing other people's hits.

Now we get the chance to play our own hits as musicians. And I got to tell you, my favorite part of the whole thing is just watching Terry be the bass player. You know, he doesn't have to think about a million things. Like he said, he's just playing the bass. And I'm just like, yeah. You know, it was a friend of mine's birthday yesterday, one of my best friends. And I called him a wish him happy birthday.

And I teared up because I feel like we getting older. He's been a real loyal friend, man. And I was just like, you know, because I think about everybody that, you know. And so it must be special for you guys to be together for so long to be on stage looking at each other. And like, yo, we still rock and we, you know, the brotherhood got to be really, really strong. and special. You know, and when we get to this age, we start enjoying every single moment.

You appreciate it, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, you really appreciate it, man. And I always flash back to, I mean, when I met Terry for the very first time, we were in this program called Upward Bound, and it was at the University of Minnesota,

but we were just junior high school students at the time. And I walked past the dorm, and Terry was sitting on his bed playing this red, black, and green base. And I just said, I got to get to know that, brother. He was playing cool in the gang. And I was like, okay, all right, he knows what's up. And then he saw, well, you can say how you saw him.

Well, I saw you, man, sitting in the lunchroom with a bunch of girls around the piano. Swooning in the women. Oh, yeah, yeah. Alessigently. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. Hey!

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He used to sing. He was a real street guy and, but he was singing to them girls, man. It felt like God just gave him the gift for singing just to get the girls. He'd be outside the classroom singing, and new edition and all of the girls. Oh, my God, Tony.

He said, I'm like, this guy right here, he would use that gift all the way for the girls in high school. He'd be singing his ass all right outside the window, man. I was a part of that. You know what that's like. You know what it's like. I know what it's like.

You got a guy that can sing a guy could play the music and get all the girls. Yeah. What's up, brother, man? Listen to you. Are you talking to me? No, I don't want to. I don't want to ask every question.

I'm waiting for you. How did you just stop so abruptly? He heard about the girls. Yeah, he heard about the girls. Right. You came from Omaha and moved to Minneapolis. You were born and raised it. What did you see in each other that, you know,

I noticed was going to be a partnership or did you even know? I can say, I didn't know. I just thought he was a cool dude. and we were one of the only couple black folk in this program. It was a peer teaching program where you went to school in the summer to learn how to teach math.

So we were going to become math teachers to kids that were a grade below us or two. And I think I ended up teaching for a couple years. I don't think you taught. I don't think I did because I didn't know math. I didn't know why they picked me for that program. I have no clue.

I'm glad they did, though. Yeah. But, man, I was terrible at that. This guy was one of the most talented cats that I ever met. And then it went on just from, first of all, he played drums. But I didn't know he played drums because I heard him play piano first. So we were doing a little dance at the end of the summer program. I said, let's put together a band because I had some friends of mine.

We were all athletes, but we all had just started playing. And let's just play a little gig. So I said, you can play piano because I saw him play in piano. He said, well, I'm a drummer. I said, I got a drummer. And my drummer was Jelly Bean Johnson, the drummer from the time. Rest of peace, Jelly Bean.

He said, okay, so we went to the club where his dad played and we stole his organ. Yeah, stole his keyboard. We still don't know how we got there because we were too young to drive. So somebody must have taken us. We were. We were, absolutely. Well, we pulled the organ out and we played Tuesday Heart Breakers.

Yeah, we played Tower Power. Full vaccination and What is Hip. Yeah. And now, mind you, we didn't sing any of these songs. Right, we were just playing the tracks. We didn't have no singers. What else do we play? We played, did we play New Birth?

I don't know if we played New Birth. I don't think that was one of our favorites back then, too. I think we played Earth One, First one in the fire. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so we just played some songs for everybody at the dance, man. It was just really cool. You guys come from a time.

We watch movies and we see some of the most horrible things happening to artists at that time. And the people getting robbed for everything. They're publishing. They're theirs. You even got guys, what's my man? Little Richard said Elvis was stealing his songs. You know, we had that.

Sugar Hill Gang. That was Grandmaster Cass rhyme in the Bronx. they came to Jersey and recorded the hip, pop. It wasn't even their rhymes. God bless them. I love Sugar Hill and all them. But to stay together, for sure, they was playing some divide and conquers with you guys, trying to get you guys to split up.

I got more for you here, more for you there. What kept y'all together and said, yo, we ain't selling each other out for nothing? I just want to say one thing about that, the divide and conquer part. So what was interesting was after Prince fired us, or we like to say he freed us, is what he really did. But when he fired us, there was a certain point where he called Terry. And he said, yeah, Terry, man, we're going to do this film, man, this Purple Raines film, blah, blah, blah.

We're going to do this film. And Terry said, okay, cool. and he said, I want you back. And Terry said, cool. And he said, what about Jam? And he said, oh, I don't want him back. And Terry said, do you tell that little. I was like, Terry, no, I said, do it.

I'll wait, I'll wait. He said, no, no, no, no, no. And that was kind of the divide and conquer moment for us. And the same night we got fired, we were at Sunset Sound, where Prince recorded, the same night we got fired, we went over to Larrabee Sound and mixed our very first hit record. which was Just Be Good to Me by the SOS. Oh, my God.

It happened the same night, like within an hour of each other. Just be good to me. Yeah. Woo. That's crazy. One of my favorite groups of all time, if not my favorite group. But let me tell you something. You got a story about that very special engineer.

Because they was down and out. Prince just, they just got fired from Prince. They're from Minnesota. Free. No, they don't know what the food came in. Yeah, well, that day we were still fired. That's all right. Yeah.

We were still fired at that point. He was fired. Yeah, right. From the biggest guy in the world, from their town, this and this and that. They go in there, like, and the engineer said, I don't know what you're down about. This shit is a smoker right here. Your life's about to change. And he didn't lie.

Like, I mean, that SOS band was, and then you said, the Godfather. The Godfather hooked you up with SOS. Yeah, Clarence Avon. Clarence Avon. Clarence Avon, the Black Godfather. Yeah. I mean, that was the thing that really solidified us. And as you were talking about, there was a deal we were going to sign.

There was a publishing deal we were going to sign. And Clarence said, if he signed that deal, I'll never talk to you again. We're like, why? And he said, I remember it was maybe 300 grand or something like that. And we're like, for us, we're like 300 grand. Oh, man, you know, whatever. Let me do this. Let me point this out for you.

He said, first of all, there's two of y'all. So it ain't 300 apiece. So now it's a 150. And he said, now Uncle Sam's going to take 50% of that. So now you got 75. Now you got to pay the lawyer for doing the deal. You got to pay all these other people for whatever. Everybody's going to take their percentage.

And now all of a sudden, what do you all got? And we were like, oh, so he broke it down to us. And he said, trust me, he said, I guarantee you your first royalty check from this stuff that you all are working on is going to be more than that $300,000 that you're fin the sign for. Wow. And he was right. He was absolutely right. So he pointed us on the direction.

The other thing I will say that he did, I mean, he did so many things for us, but the other thing that was significant that he really did for us, I remember at one point in time after we started having some hits, he said, what are y'all going to be doing in seven years?

And we said, making hits. He said, no, no, no. He said, besides that. He said, who's going to get involved in charity? Who's going to get involved in politics? Who's going to get involved signing new acts? Who's going to be the next Barry Gordy or the next Clarence Avon? Like who's the next Dick Griffey?

Like who's going to be those people? That's what you need to look at. And we were like, oh, okay. You know, he said who's going to get on boards of companies? Who's going to get on? We were like, damn, okay, cool. So he planted those seeds with us. The other thing he said was, he said,

if you ever see somebody out there that's, you know, has some problems and needs my help, let me know. And the people we found who have, we're having problems. Can we get some names? Can we get some names? I will tell you the name because we saw them at one of the award shows. We saw them.

And they said, can you introduce us to Clarence Avon? And we said, yes. As a matter of fact, we can't. We called Clarence. We said, Clarence, there's these two guys. They're really talented, but, you know, they're having some business problems. He said, who are they? He said, L.A. and Babyface.

He said, okay. What kind of name is that? Okay. No, they're cool, but anyway, he got them going. And when they were coming to L.A., it's funny, when L.A. and Babyface were coming to L.A., they said, we were trying to be y'all. We want to be Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

Because we had to ban the deal. Like, y'all had the time. We wanted to be the deal. You know, we wanted to be y'all. That was a thing. Yeah, yeah. You got to stop. But I mean, but that's, but that's the thing.

I mean, that was the thing that Clarence said. You've got to help people out. And Teddy Riley's another one. Man, you can help me out if you know these Grammy people because they never gave me a Grammy. Start telling them now I want the starts, ready? Joe trying to win a Grammy. I'm sorry about that game.

No, that's good. He definitely knows. I know they watch in this episode. Yeah. They got icons in there. I got it. Grammy. Yeah, man.

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I called Clarence and I said, hey, man, they want me to be on the board of the Grammys. And he said, can we cut something to show or no? Yeah, you can. Okay, I don't know. We try not to curse because of y'all. We show them. You're respecting your elders.

That's right. You're respecting your elders. I appreciate that. I appreciate it. No, Clarence said, motherfucker better get your ass in there. That's a room they don't let us in. You better get your ass in that room.

I was like, okay, cool. And I ended up becoming the first African-American chair for the Grampas. Wow. And so that was one of those things where, once again, if Clarence hadn't planted those seeds in us and telling us the other things that we needed to do, we never would have known to do something like that. We wouldn't have been looking at stuff.

You weren't been ready for that. Well, you was ready, but you wouldn't even, you would have been like, yeah, I'm out here being a rock star. Yeah, right? Fuck, I care about that. I said that to my wife. I said, I don't, I said, they want me to be on a board, man. I don't want to be on a board.

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It's the worst, but it's the worst shit in the world. It's the worst, but it's the best. It's the best because they were like, you're really going to get rich when you're 50. You know, bro, I can't even enjoy it. I'm really going to be rich when I can't even enjoy this shit. Fuck, I mean, my family's really going to be rich at some point because I'm fucked. Would you all want me to play shuffleboard on the fucking boat?

Shuffling, yeah. Yeah, but they're going to be some first-class shuffleboard, though. It's going to be the, it's going to be the, it's going to be the, it's going to be. be the best, you're going to have the best equipment, man. Yeah, yeah, thank God, man. Let me tell you something. We're too blessed, man. Yeah.

You guys, some of the biggest records in the world, you mentioned something earlier, right? And you said you worked with Prince and Michael Jackson. But the thing is, you didn't just work with these guys. Got many hits with these guys. Some people work with people. You know what I mean? and they miss.

You guys hit it out the park every single time. And like I'm saying, every time I heard, you know, me, I'm music all day. In the house all day, my mom's just here. She's on that.

She's listening to it all day. We listen to music for all day, not just hip-hop. I'm actually more of a R&B guy. And all the music that I ever loved, when I went to your show, They did that once.

They did everything you ever loved. They did that one. They did that. They did that. What the fuck? I walked out of there. I was mesmerized, man. I was just like,

and I knew your catalog, but then when you come with the sounds of blackness, huh? My sample. It's like the black national anthem. My first album, my sample. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. you know, when people say what's your favorite song, that's always a tough one because there can be reasons that thinks and be a favor. It can be the result of the song if it, you know, does well, or it could be the process of making the song could be great.

There's all kind of different things. But the way I always put it is, if there was a time capsule, it said Jam and Lewis on it, and a hundred years from now, I don't know, the aliens or wherever's left, comes down and opens it up, what would be the song you would want to play? And it would be optimistic by Sounds of Blackness. Wow. because to me it was everything, it told you everything about us,

but also the effect that it had on people. Like people, there's people we meet every single day that just come up to us and they'll go, that song got me through college or that song got me through whatever. And to me, that's, we always call it,

music is the divine art. It's the way we say it. And to me, that's what music should be. You know, it should be something to get people through their day or make them uplift them

when they need it and that kind of stuff. So that one is, Optimistics number one, but we also have a 1-8 that I know, Terry Hoyt said. Yeah, 1-8 would be Open My Heart by Yolanda Adams. Yeah.

You know, that one is gospel. Yeah. Yeah. Well, spiritual. Spiritual. Yeah, spiritual too. You've done so many hits, but you get a lot of credit

for the work with Janet Jackson. You guys are like, so I got a guy. His name is Scott Stoarty, pretty much did my biggest hits. Philly. You're right. And then Kool and Dre came after,

but my biggest hits, Scott Storch, I never lost with him. And so y'all got that, Janet Jackson, y'all. Chemistry. It's like Snoop Dog, Dr. Dre. You know, it's like,

you know, you guys, Janet will forever be known for being with you guys and you guys were her more than anything else. And was that like a plan or was it just, she was like, yo, come on, guys. I don't know.

Like, when I looked at you, I could always see Janet there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Janet was, first of all, Janet was a huge fan of the time. And I remember we played L.A. We actually played the Long Beach Convention Center, if I remember correctly, because we weren't allowed, Prince didn't allow us to play the forum.

Because back in the day, now this is before social media, people would read reviews in the newspaper. And all the reviews in the newspaper around the country was basically the time was kicking Prince's ass. And so that was cool in Charlotte, North Carolina or somewhere small. But you didn't want the New York Times to say that, and you didn't want the L.A. times to say that. So we never were allowed to play at Madison Square Garden when Prince played,

and we were never allowed to play at the forum, which was the place in L.A. when Prince played. So I remember we played. I think we played Nassau Coliseum or somewhere. in New York and we played, you know, Long Beach Arena in L.A. Outskirts. Yeah, in the outskirts. But anyway, Janet came to the show. Her and her mom were sitting front row. She knew every lyric to every song. They were parted. And we were like, okay, cool. So we met her afterwards. She came back in the dress room. She was so nice. Couldn't

have been nicer. And then later on, John McLean, who recently passed, unfortunately. He was an A&R director at A&M Records. There was another artist we were supposed to do at A&M Records, She didn't want to work with us. So he said, is there anybody else on the roster you want to work with? And we said, well, who's on the roster? So he sends the roster. Now, this is on a fax machine for those of y'all that remember those. He faxes.

I got one in the house. Okay. So he faxes the list. Terry and I go down the list. Our name, our finger stopped on Janet Jackson. And we called John and we said, John, we want to do Janet Jackson. He said, cool, cool. You want to do a couple songs?

We said, no, we want to do the whole album. He said, you do? We said, yeah. He said, okay, cool. So we got in a meeting with her and stuff, and her dad was there. And her dad said, you guys are from Minneapolis.

And we said, yeah. He said, Prince is from Minneapolis. We said, yeah. He said, don't have my daughter sounding like Prince. He's like, okay, Mr. Jackson, you got it. So we had her come to Minneapolis, man. And it was like, it was revelatory for her because it was just her and her girlfriend.

It wasn't bodyguards, wasn't limos and stuff. We got her car to drive. we got her a Thomas because there's no GPS in this day. So she had to figure out her how to get from the hotel to the studio to blockbuster video to, you know, wherever she wanted to get to. So literally control, when she's talking about going out on our own, the experience in Minneapolis was part of that process. And then we sat around for three or four days, man, just like this, and just talk. We went to the beach. We went to the lakes.

We went to clubs and stuff. And then she said, when are we going to start working? and we said, oh, we started working, and we showed her the opening lyrics to control. When I was 17, I did what people told me, did what my father said, and let my mother mold. When she saw those lyrics, she said, oh, wait, so we're going to write about whatever we talk about?

Said, yeah. And she said, oh, well, I want to talk about this, and I want to talk about this. And that put the light bulb in her head like, oh, no, this is going to be your album, not stuff we're writing for you, but you're going to be part of the creative process. And that to me was the most important thing

that I think we did for Jan was really give her, ask her her opinion on stuff. Like, do you want to sing this? Do you like this? And then we also wanted to, in the analysis of it, I guess you could say,

because we were very analytical about the people we work with. We liked when Janet was really young, she had all this attitude, right? When she was on the variety show with her brothers or doing the Sonny and Cher show

and all that, you'd always see her, she always had this feisty attitude. But then her music was kind of soft, you know? And we were like, let's give her some aggressive music and get that feisty attitude back.

So I remember when we did the track for Nasty, and she was like singing it like, you know, sit in the movie show. And we were like, no, no, no, no. Sing it like the other day she had a cold, like right before that. Sing it like when you had the cold. Like, sit in the movie show like that. And she said, really?

You said, yeah. And so she sang it. I remember we calmed the vocal up, and the next day she heard it. She was like, okay. So we got the trust factor instant. and the rest of history. I mean, Control album only took.

It's 40 years old. Just turned 40 this year. Control only took six weeks to do. And as she'll say, four weeks of the six weeks, we were just hanging out. We weren't even really working. So literally it was like a two-week album to put that together.

Man, that's amazing, man. Let me say, we keep talking about Minnesota. I'm thinking about Morris Day and these guys. Love Morris. Nass? Yeah. What happened? I like Morris Day.

Morrist. That guy's a character. I love Morris. Yeah, he was special, huh? He's the best, man. And y'all grew up with him too, right? Yeah. Right?

What a lot of people don't know about Morris, man. Besides being a great front man, he's a world-class drummer. That dude. Yep. You got a lot of the Prince records, the drums that you hear, that's Morris. Wow.

controversy let's work yeah that's more stay on he can drop yeah like we're an

unsung hero yeah yes sir what can we expect from this Vegas residence oh that's going to be

hey man nothing but hits brother nothing but hits yeah nothing but hits I mean it's almost from across the world nothing but hits

nothing but hits nothing but hits so we're starting so we're starting August 7th is our opening weekend. And then we're doing the weekday of that next week, which is the Wednesday, I think the 12th. And then it's basically 14, 15, 16, and then 21, 22, 23.

So 10 shows total. We did six shows already. And we sold out. And they said, can you do 10 more shows? We said, yes, we can. So we're looking forward to it. And I got to tell you, man, it's a lot of fun because we go through kind of the history. But my analogy for it is always like the chef's table at a restaurant.

So if there's a restaurant you really like and you like maybe a couple of the things that the chef makes, but you actually get to watch the chef make the food. And then you can go, oh, oregano, that's what he puts in there. And you know the technique of how it's done. It gives you a whole different appreciation because now you know why you like as opposed to, oh, I love that song. That's what we do. So it's not like you go, oh, I love that song. but it's like, I love that song because I know this story behind it

or I know the way that it was made or what happened. So we do that, but we do kind of crazy stuff. Like I'll sit at the piano, we'll do name that tune, we'll ask the audience to name a tune, we'll let them sing along with it, we'll do that kind of thing. And then we always have, we always have Rubin stuttered and we always have Shaanee's Wilson, who are two of the best singing performers.

Because they have to perform everything, right? So if you're Ruben, you got to hit, you got to hit some Usher, you got to hit some Alexander O'Neill, you got to hit some Johnny Gill. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to hit all that. And if you're Sean East, you know, you got to hit. My mother fucking man, right now. Mine too. Oh, yeah.

Shit! Yeah. Yeah. Alexander, only, I forgot they did that. And you said, you told us everything. If you were here tonight, that's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let me tell you something, man.

I don't. Yo, Alexander, and I just feel like he's a real one. I don't know. Oh, he is playing real. Yeah. Yeah, when I hear his music, I feel like that's a real one. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a real one.

You know, Stephanie Mills is my favorite. I just saw a video on Instagram today. I reposted it. But she was 22. She was just a little girl. And she was killing it. I remember one time, you know, I got a special relationship with her. She was telling me about when she was growing.

up and I told her one time I see your stuff. I wish I was your age when you was going through that. I'd have had your back. Yeah. She looked at me for real, Joe. I said, man, I'd have had your back. I love that. Yeah, bro.

I love that. You know, especially, you know, all the artists, and all the artists crazy, right? Do you agree or no? In different levels. Everybody's crazy in a different way. Yeah. Every great artist, every one of our friends are fucking crazy.

Me too. You told. Yeah, you're told. No, everybody's crazy. I don't know. Is that a common denominator? Because everybody... But creative people, man, are just...

It's a whole different thing. Terry and I always build in what we call the Accetron budget into the thing. because it's like some people we know, oh, this is going to be a headache. But we still want to work with. You know, we still want to do our thing, man. And I just want to mention, by the way, because we mentioned Rubin,

but I got to mention Shaanice Wilson. So, Shaanice handles everybody, all the female vocals that we've ever done, you know, from Cheryl to Cheryl to. What's Chinese number one hit personally? Oh, I love your smile. Yeah. No, she does that.

She does that in the show. How does it feel? If you're a human being, I'm talking to the audience, and you got ears and you love music, they're responsible for not most of them, but they have a song. One of the songs that's your favorite song or your mother's favorite song

or anybody's your favorite song, they had something to do with it. or they need it. What you wrote for New Edition? I know what you wrote, but I want you to tell the people. Yeah. Well, New Edition, actually,

funny enough, we actually did a song that people won't know. It was the first time we worked with them. We did a song called Helplessly in Love, which was on the Dragnet soundtrack. I remember when they asked us to do that, they said, hey, do you guys want to work with New Edition?

And we were like, yeah, we love it. And they said, well, we got the soundtrack. We said, cool. And we worked with them, and we got along with them so great. And so we were like, couldn't wait to work with them again. And so when they said, hey, we want you guys to do the next album,

and we were like, great. But the thing we did, and I will say this about producing, a lot of people think about producing as a technical side of things, but the human side of it is really more important. Because a lot of times you have to be, you know, whether it's a psychiatrist or a psychologist or a therapist or whatever. Like that's sometimes a chef.

Yeah, a chef, yes. Yeah, you have to figure it out, you know. And I remember before we started the album, this was the album that Johnny Gill came into the group, the heartbreak album. And I remember, you know, two of the guys, I think Ricky and Ralph were against Johnny joining the group. And Viv and Ronnie were for Johnny being in the group.

So we're like, well, before we can tackle trying to make a record, we need to settle this, whatever this is. So I remember we're sitting in a conference room, Johnny sitting at the end of the table. And I said, okay, Johnny, here's what we're thinking. You're really not going to do any leads on this record because it's Ralph's group. So Ralph's going to do all the leads. How do you feel about that?

I had no idea what he was going to say. And he said, that's cool. I'm a team player, man, whatever you need me to do. Well, as soon as he said that, it lifted all of the tension in the air out because everybody was like, they thought they had a new Jalen Brunson on their team. He going to have that ball in it. Yeah. So then we knew strategically that we needed to work him in.

It couldn't be like a jarring experience for people when they heard the album. So we did, if it is in love, and that was the first single. And the reason we did it like that was because that was kind of the most new edition sounding record. If you think about it. Yeah, with the choreography. Why does she stay on my mind? And it was cool because Brooke, their choreographer, was in town with us when we were making the record.

And he said, man, give me some shit, I can choreograph some moves to. And that's why the little part that goes, do-da-d-do-do-do-do-do-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- that's why that's in there. So he could put some moves, some dance moves in there. So we did that as the first record. Then we did, the next record we did was not my kind of girl. And that song, we put Johnny in just a little bit,

kind of started doing some little ad libs, you know, and that kind of stuff in it, right? And then we did, can you stand the rain? That's the third single. That's the one. And can you stand the rain for us once? Stylistics had a song called,

You make me feel brand new. You make me feel brand new. Yes, sir. So when that song came out, what I remember my impression of hearing it for the first time, I knew Russell Tompkins Jr. voice, the high singing dude.

But Arian loved the low, the low singing dude, I'd never really heard him sing. So when that song came on the radio for the first time, and I heard my love, I'll never do da da, do, do. When I heard that, I was like going, wait, who is this? Right. And then Russell comes in, only you. And I was like, oh, it's the stylistics.

So that's what we wanted to do with New Edition. So when you heard Johnny go, on a perfect day, you wouldn't know. Who is this, right? What they like in count. Right? But then as soon as you. you here, but I need somebody. You go, oh, it's new addition.

So that was the way we were able to then incorporate Johnny into the group where it made some sense. And so that was the strategic move. And Gerald Busby, rest of soul, let us do it. Any song you ever gave to an artist that I don't want to say you didn't want to give to him, but you was like, but you gave it to him. Babyface, he wrote Roney about a real

person. Yeah. So he had a relationship with this girl Roney, and then L.A. Reed gave it to Bobby behind his back. He was like, yo, that man don't know about no Roney. This guy's from the streets. This is a truth about Roney. And I said, yo, he was just like, yo, like, I knew Roney.

Yeah. Like, she was a nice girl. She would have never dated Bobby Brown. Like, she was like, I swear to God. Yo, I swear to God. But was there ever a song like that for? you guys that your hand did over. They gave the right song to the wrong person?

Just a song that they thought it could have went to somebody else or they thought, you know what I mean? No, not. Yeah, I can't think of one. I can't think of one. Well, there was one instance in the beginning, and that was Alexander O'Neill. Oh, right, right, right. Which was a whole different singer that Clarence had sent to us.

Yes. That he couldn't quite get it together. He said his voice was skipping for about a week or two. Yeah. And then after a while, we said, if you don't sing tomorrow or today or tomorrow, you can skip your ass back on. Right.

I said Tim was on to get on my new album. I almost told him he could skip his ass back home. Yeah. He said, I got you. Well, we brought Alex in the studio. I haven't got skipped back home in my life. Yeah, see? I'm not a skip back home.

There you are. Well, yeah, Alice came in and sang about four or five songs in one night. after he played all night in the club. Yeah, we went and grabbed him. We said, hey, man, can you come? Because we told Alex, when the time formed, that we'll say this, when the time formed, originally Morris was going to be the drummer in the time,

and Alexander O'Neill was going to be the lead singer in the time. And there was a dinner that happened with Prince and everybody, and Alexander O'Neill, who always talks in the third person, was like, you know, Prince, this record deal and everything's cool and everything, but you know, Alexander O'Neill needs some paper. Prince says, what do you mean? I need a new car, I need a house. You know, Alexander O'Neill needs some paper.

And we're like going, we ain't even got a record deal yet. And you're talking to us out of the record deal, man. And anyway, Prince, you know, a couple months later, he calls. And Jelly Bean Johnson, our drummer, was going to be out of the group at that point. And Prince calls Terry and just goes, Alex is out. Jelly Bean's the drummer. Morris is the lead singer. practice tomorrow at 10 o'clock or whatever.

It's like, oh, shoot. And that was it. Time was born. I've seen that one trillion times in this business. I watch a motherfucker talk himself out of blessings. Yes. One trillion time. Yes.

I mean, I knew this one guy, he did like a freestyle and Eminemian flooring me. And then, Timberland wanted. That guy's nowhere to be found right now. Yeah. His attitude. Right. What did I say? Who?

No, I won't do that. Well, we... So the thing... But that happened. Yeah, no, it happened. So the thing, but we said to Alex, we said, Alex, if we make it, we're going to come back and get you.

And that was our opportunity. tuned it. Because Morris, I mean, not Morris, but Alex was just playing in a club, you know. And so we went and grabbed him, man. We just said, hey, man, can you come to the studio? This is one in the morning or whatever. Can you come to the studio and just sing these songs real quick? And he was like, cool.

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My wife would stab me with a night. I can't even sing to that shit. When it come on, I'll be like, silently. Like, look to me. Sometimes I be bugging out. Like, well, back of the day, these girls now, they ain't singing that. They're not singing that. Like, Whitney Houston got the joint.

But Whitney Houston got the, she was the subject. She got a whole hip racket. What's the one? Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, she should. Which one is that that Whitney Houston? Whitney Houston got a sidekick record

where he says smash. She does. She's like, yo, I'm cool. You know, do you? I'm good. Damn, what the hell is that? Not secret luck is hot. Saving all my love for you.

And they had secret love boy, they were singing that shit back in the day. Guys was getting away. You guys were spending that shit. No, no, man, I was raised by women, and that was the reality. Now, you can not like it or you can be opposed to it, but that was how people lived. That was it, you know.

It was about that check on Friday and the benefits, and whatever you did on the weekend, see you later, see your Monday. That's the way it was. Yeah, have your eyes at work on Monday. Yeah, have your ass at work, get that check. Yep. But work, get that check, bring that shit home. Yep. And that's where it was. Don't gamble the check.

No, no, though. She gets the check and she might give you a couple dollars to go. Yeah. Have a couple of drinks. That's not that word. That's not working the day. Back in the day. So the man worked, he comes home. Mama, construction.

I got my 200. She's like, all right, take 50. Go get drunk. Hang out with your man. Yep. And as my sister says, less work for me to do. Yeah. Now it's different.

My wife. cause itself the CEO of my house. That's a true. It's a bigger title now. Now it's like, I'm wondering if that's a loophole if we ever break up. She's the CEO of the house. That means the house, us? Like, what the shit?

These new titles. My house might be us. Hey, man. You know the house. Definitely. I'll tell you, man. Hey, trust me, the women run things. And it's just the more.

The earlier we figure that out. Better off your life. Better off, man. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. I've seen the best of the best, the greatest of the greats,

men that I admire, they all agree that the woman run shit. Absolutely. Just like, you know. Absolutely. Just the beginning of the time. That's right. That's right.

Like they run shit, you know what I'm saying? You know, today I woke up high off the, oh, my wife ain't even play. that shit last night. Like, I won, she went right up. She was like, nah, I ain't fucking with you. She was not playing with me last night because I was on that bullshit.

You know, we just won? Oh, I came up. What? King of the one line is like, I'm just dissing everybody for no reason. I was on my Jeter kiss bag. And I'm going to shit all around the room and everything. She said, oh, no.

I've seen this. She went out. And my daughter was like, yo, what happened with my? I said, no, she's seen this shit before. She ain't playing this game. She's going to sleep. She ain't trying to hear me

the five in the morning talking about shit. This shit, she left me for dead in the office. She was like, oh, no, this guy, he could talk to himself for four hours. What motherfuck are talking to hole in my head. You know, the woman runs shit, man. Rock and roll, Hall of Fame. This year, they got some serious,

not nominees, guys who made it, right? inductees. I might go there for the first time just to not be a groupie, but hang out. You know, Charday might be in there. Faulting clan. Oh, no, we might need to go. Yeah.

Yeah, Wooten Clan, MC Light. You might need to bring Joe and Jada and get on. Oh, yeah. No, we need that. Yo, James. Put that down. We got to do that. Rock and roll,

all the fay. Rock and roll, all the fair, go fuck with everybody. You get some coverage. November. November. Luther.

Luther's nominated. He's in. You know, he's my favorite singer of all time. What's your experience with Luther? You guys. You guys do Luther? I'll tell you that,

well, to me, the Luther story that I got, I mean, there's a bunch of them with us. But the best one for me was we had done this song. We were in a song called The Thrillow Man.

and we always heard Luther singing and we thought, and this thrill I'm in. Yes, the thrill I'm in. And so we sent it to him and never heard a thing. Didn't hear nothing, never heard anything. And then there was a movie, he used to do movie screenings at his house and stuff. And so we went to this movie screening at his house

and he said, and we were getting ready to do the Mo Money soundtrack. And we said, hey Luther, I said, you know, we got this song, man. We sent you this song. like a long time ago. And I said, but we never heard anything. And he sings it.

He goes, oh, I remember that song. And he goes, The thrill I'm in. The thrill I'm in. The thrill I'm in. He starts singing. And we were like, oh, man. He said, yeah. And I said, well, we want to do this soundtrack.

He said, yeah, yeah. He said, I'll do the soundtrack. He said, but I want to do something different. So what do you want to do? He said, I want to do something uptempo and funky. Because people don't think I can do uptempo and funk. We're like, okay. And he said, and I want to do it as a duet with Janet Jackson.

and we were like, okay. We're like, okay, that wasn't what we had in a plan, but okay, let's figure that out. We ended up doing the best things in life are free. And he killed that record. Him and Janet killed that record. Luther never really sang to uptempo music like that. That was his point.

He got like two or three. That was his point. And he never sang anything like that. Yeah, he got like two or three. Yeah. You need no. Oh, okay. The kids doing this with this.

He got you, though. He got like about three or four. But most of me, it's like houses are home. You know, I got a crazy story with Luther. Luther's my favorite singer of all time. And I remember he was passing away. And a friend of mine told me where a hospital he was in, I pulled up with my wife and I was outside.

And once again, I was scared to go upstairs. I said, damn, he wouldn't know me. I said, I don't think he'd know fat, Joe. And I was scared to go upstairs. It was Beth Israel on second half. I went in front of the hospital, and I ain't have the balls to go upstairs and be like, how are you doing, Mr. Van Jost?

Because I knew they was like, yo, he's passing away. He's on the eighth floor, whatever, ninth floor, Beth Israel, if you want to come by, come. I know how much you love him. I was like, I felt like it wasn't the right time. But that was there, you know, I chickened out. You know, Luther's the bit. Oh my God.

41 top hits in the U.S. more than any other production than existence. I always say we work with good people and they make us look good. That's what I put it. No, man, it's a blessing, man. We get to work with great people

and we get to work with people who are fans of because not everybody who, we don't feel like we have ideas for everybody. Like there's certain people that, somebody will say a name and we'll go, oh, we love them, but we don't have an idea for them. But certain people we have idea for, I was thinking of somebody, particularly since we in New York,

and I was thinking of when you were talking about songs, it would have gone somewhere else. And there was one song that we really held on to for almost a year. And that was when we did No More Drama with Mary J. Blige. And I remember we played the song for her. We had written the whole thing, the lyrics and everything. We played the song for her.

and we said, you can change the lyrics or whatever you want to do to it. And she said, I'm not changing a thing on this song. She said, this is like you were following me around with a private detective. But she said, but I'm not quite ready to do that song yet. It would be good for my next album. And we're thinking like, okay, yeah, okay, she must not really like it. But then every month she would call us and go, you didn't give that song away, did you? And we were like, no, that song was written specifically for you.

happened to me right now. I'm working on the album and street running my brother. He never did this before, but he sent me a beat. I did a whole song to it, this and this and that. Now when it's time to clear the sample, he's like, oh, so did the Rick Ross. I said, thank you, good brother. Right. I hate that.

No, he never did that in his life. I've been working with him 20 years. Maybe I didn't tell him loud enough. I loved this song or the beat or whatever. You know what I'm saying? because he's never. One thing I can say when people fuck up

and fuck up on a regular base, not this guy. This guy has never done it, but I was like, damn, man, you know, went to a girl,

or, you know, somebody I'm going to buy their album as soon as it comes out, Rick Ross, so, you know. Yeah, exactly. You got to support, but yeah.

I think it all ends up in the place it should. And she did, like literally when, you know, seven, eight months later, when she started putting

the new album together, she said no more drama is going to be the title track. And we were like, okay, cool. And it was. And she killed it. And her Grammy performance was one of the best ever. Like she shut it down. You know, so it's nice to be involved.

I say that simply to say certain people just inspire us. And then we really get inspired to do our best work. And so it's always a team effort. You know, it's the artist, but it's also the combination of us. You know, I need all of us to get spiritual right now because we got the bigger than icons here. I was going to the Knit game the other day, and there was a streamer out there,

and he said 100,000 times he kept saying, Jayne and Brunson, Jaylon Brunson, right? So I want us four to say, Joe's going to get a Grammy, Joe's going to get it. We can't do that, yes? You on the project? You want to say? Yeah, Joe's going to get a gram.

Joe's going to get a gram. Joe's going to get a grandma. Joe's going to get a great. You know, I support. I pull up. Everybody had a mink on that day. I was on, you know, I didn't go like super fly. Like I went under the radar.

Everybody had a chinchilla on that day. When he did a show over here, everybody, I'm waiting on line for my car. Everybody was out there. I said, damn, everybody came out with their. They fly a shit. You slip this time, Joe, you let them beat you to it. But what a great experience, man. I mean, you guys, the residency is going to be,

so everywhere you've been, you've been sold out. And this guy, this guy works hard. I know. I gave him my number. Trust me, he works hard, this guy. Yeah, no, Elijah's the best. He'll follow up. He'd be like, yo, they over here.

Yep. Yo, Joe, they over here. Yo, Joe, sure you don't want to come at night. You ain't never... I got to catch one of the residency sometimes. Yeah, because... You got to come. Yeah, you got to come.

It's different, Jay. It's like they sit there and they tell a story and then it's like, you know, we did... And it won't stop. And it won't stop. And they just... And it keeps... You see no more drama.

Go back to SOS band. Go back to Alexander O'Lare to New Edition to this one. Like, it's... It's just crazy. Well, I do, in the Vegas, I do a DJ set. I do a DJ set, too, because that's where the name Jimmy Jam came from. I was a DJ. You got to.

So I go back and do a little DJ set. You know, most producers were DJs. A lot of them. A lot of them. Col and Dre, they were DJs. A lot of them. DJ Premier. Dr. Dre.

I'm surprised you wasn't. Man, I suck that DJ. It's the only shit. I sucked that. I did graffiti. I break dance. I rap. Pause.

This guy's got a weird sense of you, you know? I mean, listen. But I try to DJ. Shout out to DJ, Serge, my brother, and he tried to teach me, and I just could never, ever, ever, ever get to be. I would go to his house in the whole summer day when I could have been somewhere having fun.

And I'd be like, yo, come on me. He'd be like, yo, catchy. I couldn't, okay? I can't DJ. I've always thought, right, because I got a good ear. I got a super ear. Yeah. You should be able to do it.

I always thought if I could produce, I would, I get frustrated. Right? Yeah. So like with Scott Storch, I told him lean back. Bam, bam, ban, ban. I told them. Make it rain. I told him.

Play this. Oh, candy shop. Play this. And he's one of the only producers in him. hip-hop that could play whatever you do. Yes. If you do any melody in your head, he'll play it. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. So we made them hits together. He took credit, but if I knew the business like now, I would have been producing. Right? But it's cool, Scott. But, um, nah, it's cool, but I'd be frustrated because sometimes I hear like an old school

song and I hear a breakdown and I'd be like, oh my God. Like, if I was a producer, I would chop that right. now. Like, this is, man, it's just so many, it's a record that I've been hearing for years, the barge, and it just breaks down

into this music at the end of it. And I'd be like, fuck, every single time I've heard this for 40 years, I hear that breakdown. I'm like, anybody flips that? That shit is out of you. Every time I hear it. Why don't you flip it? I don't know, because I'm not a person.

producer. You know what I mean? But every time I hear it, every time I hear that breakdown, I'm like, so if you say, what's my man, they honored him last year, but oh, where Biggie got hypnotized from, Perb Alpert?

Herb Alper. Yeah. Did you know that came from that? And then that thing went into, boom. Yep. You know, they played me hypnotized before they played it for Biggie? No. Like if you wanted to be?

They played it. They played it for us and told us you can't have it. You know, I was in the studio when he made hypnotized. And that man listened to that beat 36,000 times. It was just running all day, though. It was like the background music for whatever's going on in the studio. And let me tell you something, I tell the story all the time. I'll tell it again.

12 o'clock, Biggie had 10 Asian women in there, most beautiful Asian woman. One o'clock they left. Ten white girls came in there looking like fucking a movie models. Two o'clock, ten black chicks came up in there. This and this and that. Three o'clock, ten Latinos came up there. I see, yo, this is the fucking. Man, I'm sitting up in there with me.

I said, yo, this guy is the illest ever. And that hypnotist came out of that. But I already, I had known the original from that Luke and Laura General Hospital. Yep. That was like the marriage song, right? Yep, that's right. That was crazy. Oh, that's funny.

So you were soap opera dude? Were you soap opera? Back in the day, I skipped so much school. I was a re-just film. I think everybody. It was on the store. I was just filming. I was watching it.

So you start watching it. I'm with my babysitter as well. I mean, I couldn't escape it. Then I just had to start watching. That's so funny, man. But that's where no more drama came from. Young and Wrestling. Bling, bling, bling, bling, which I still watch.

I still watch Young & Messons. You want to know what's crazy? That girl. Remember, they only had one black girl and one black dude. Yes. You know, she's still doing lifetime movies every day. But you know, there's a new. A couple, they just,

She is starring in the all-lifetime movies. She's the mother of every lifetime movie, the grandmother now that this. Well, you know, there's a one called Beyond the Gates. It's all black. And they did a crossover with young and wrestlers. It's actually happened to right now. It's dope.

So good. I never saw that. Yeah, man. Check it out. It's all black. All the producers, everybody on at the writers. Everybody's all black. It's so good.

Huh? One in Emmy? Did it? Oh, that's awesome. I'm happy about that. No, it's a great show. We got some other soap opera fans up there. I like that.

I like that. Spanish people. This is called Novellas. Okay. Yeah, novellas. That's right. There you go. My grandmother never left four corners.

My grandmother never. She came for Puerto Rico when she was 15, living the same project. And at any given time, you go over there, she walked into the supermarket, back up. The woman never went to Manhattan or Brooklyn or Queens. That was just that. I shot a video. Shout out to Tommy Mottola, his wife, Dahlia. We did a song together.

I shot a video. It's the only time on earth my grandmother left the block. She wanted to meet Talia because Talia was the star of the soap operas in Spanish. So I brought her to meet Talia. That shit was the craziest shit in the world. You know, it's powerful. Soapers are powerful. Right now, all these baddies and all that shit, that's the new school soap opera.

You do know that. You know, I've been thinking about, nice cyanide, a bomb under the car. I'm trying to figure out how my wife is trying to kill me to take the paper. Because she watches this lifetime and all they do is kill her husband. All they doing is showing these women how to kill her husband for the fucking insurance.

She's always killing something. She's in the album show on BET2 is a big show about the black girl beauty and black. She's on there, too. She's killing. That's good to see her still working. She's killing. She's killing.

That's good. Let's tell them the dates of Vegas again, the residency. I'm sure it's going to be sold out. You guys were selling out everywhere. Anybody who ever loved this song. What about the Minnesota State Fair? Oh, we're doing that too.

We're doing that. That's August 29th. We're doing that Saturday, Saturday night. The first Saturday of the fair. And we grew up going to the Minnesota. state fair. I remember when I was a little kid, I used to go and they had these little parts where they used to have like keyboards, like

organs and stuff. I used to spend like three or four hours in there, man. I'm shocked they'd never kicked me out, man, but I was that was my little thing, man. You may, y'all got to get them down to Miami. What's that? The jazz, the, yeah, I'll be doing jazz in the garden. Y'all will body that.

Jazz in the garden? When we went in a songwriter's Hall of Fame, which was like seven years ago, they asked us, what do you want to do that you haven't done yet? and we were on the red carpet and standing next to us with Babyface, as a matter of fact. And we looked at Babyface and we said, well, we never worked with Babyface. We'd like to do that. So we did.

We did. That never worked with Babyface. At that point in time, seven years ago, we hadn't done it. And we did a song called He Don't Know Nothing About it with Babyface on our Jammer Lewis Volume One album. So we did that. Then we did, and we did our Jamminuus Volume 1 album. That was the second thing. We said we'd want to finish our album that we've never finished.

So we did that. The third thing we said was, we would like to go play our. catalog of songs live because we had never done that. We had only done live performance with the time, you know, with the time stuff, which was, you know, 40 years ago. So we said we want to do that. So now we're finally getting the opportunity to do that. And so, you know, it's kind of that point of our lives where we were looking for things

to do that we haven't done yet. And I think that's the fun thing, have things to look forward to, you know, that's what we're That's right. You know, baby face the one guy I'm a friend of that I say all the time. I can't believe I'm his friend. I looked up to him my whole life, love his music, and then I became friends.

Like, I can't believe this shit. When I'm having dinner with baby face, I'm like, I'm a fucking baby face. I have a dinner. If you motherfuckers can see me in 88 now. I'm with face, baby. That's fucking crazy. By the way, I'll tell you something funny.

So back when, you know, supposedly we were like feuding with each other, right? It was L.A. and baby face. versus Jammin Lewis, right? When people were trying to set that kind of thing up. And we would go to dinner together. And we'd be at a restaurant and just be chilling and stuff and talking. And people would come up to us and they go like,

ain't you Jammin Lewis? Go, yeah. Ain't your baby face in L.A.? Yeah. And y'all having dinner together. It was like, yeah, we're cool. But that was back in the write-on magazine, Blackbead magazine. And there was always be like it would be us versus each other.

And we were like going, we're competing with our. a hundred songs on that chart. We're trying to all compete with those songs. So we're not worried about it. It was also another horrible time because it was, you know, it wasn't social media,

nothing like that. And they would put shit in the magazines. And so they would say, Michael Jackson thought he was from out of space because he would be a hyper-baric machine. And my man, Drake got one in his house. Yes.

And then they would be mad because you got Botox and you can't see a fucking person. on earth without Botox. It's normal life. It's normal. It's the craziest shit I ever seen. At that time, people could control the narrative.

Yes. Really, really control the narrative. Whatever. If you had somebody really, really strong against you. Immediate. All right. So, yo, this ain't that? That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. Make some noise for Jimmy,

jamming Terry Lower You know, I should have wore one of them hats, man. I just came up in here on that shit, you know what I'm saying? But thank you guys so much. We love it. Thank you all. Thank you for everything. Appreciate it, man.

Appreciate it. One second. First of all, I want to thank everybody in the room, as Jimmy and Terry would say, I heard them say often, that, you know, the stuff they do wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for the people who stream the music, the people who purchase the music, to people who play the music, the DJs, and certainly wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for all the people behind the scenes here,

for the people who often don't get the credit. So thank you guys, everybody in the room. Thank you very much for allowing them to come here and do this. And Joe, I want to say thank you because I put you on the spot last time we did our event in New York. And you told me you wanted to sit back and chill and you just wanted to soak in the music because you were a big fan. And so we did do the Aliyo, but don't go figure.

Don't want Joe's record. Let's see what happened. Tell me, we did, and we put the mic next to him, and like a superstar that you are, you came, you gave us a mini concert to help augment an event. And I wanted to- It was awesome. Yeah. And I wanted to do something to pay homage to you guys, and I know that both of you guys are big Nick fans.

And I have a friend that I went to high school with the best high school in New York City, and probably in the world. Performing arts high school, LaGuardia High School, music, and arts. We have tons of talented people. Bobby is an amazing artist. And I know both of you are big Nick fans. So we got you this right here, this custom painting, and I wanted to give you this right here.

And thank you. I'm going to thank you for helping us, man. Wow. Thank you. Yeah. Man, I love it. I love it. And this is the guy that did.

His name is Bobby. Thank you. It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag. whoever you root for. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed? And it's beautiful. The guys are young and cute and fit.

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