Joe and Jada - Joe and Jada - '90s hip hop stories: LEGENDARY Jay-Z, Biggie & Nas rap battles + Top 5 hip hop songs

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss take us on a trip down memory lane back to their early days in New York City coming up in the golden era of hip hop. Joe and Jada talk about recording demos at D&D Studios around legends, pulling up to clubs and seeing rap legends like The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, DMX, and Nas cyphering outside, how Jada met Ma$e in a cypher on 125th Street, Joe getting lawsuits thrown at him by lawyers representing Michael Jackson and Prince after his first successful mixtape, when they first knew 50 Cent would be a superstar, and many more legendary stories dug out from the crates of hip hop history. After, Joe forces Jada to come up with his top-five hip hop songs ever, and their lists include classics from Tupac, Dr. Dre, Run DMC, Snoop Dogg, and more. 03:15 - Hip hop origins & difficulty breaking into the industry 05:15 - Recording demos at D&D Studio 10:00 - Mixtape culture & Joe pressing DJ Clue 15:00 - Lord Finesse's influence 22:00 - Favorite throwback tracks 34:00 - Graffiti & word-of-mouth promo 37:00 - Legendary cyphers w/ Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas 42:00 - Joe getting signed & mother's cancer diagnosis 52:00 - XXXTentacion & how promotion has changed 1:06:30 - Covers taking over streaming 1:14:45- Top 5 hip hop songs ever (Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.) Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or https://promo.boostmobile.com/webuiltanetwork/ytb/ #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for us to get in the game I'm curious to know see I knew about the Warlocks I knew about yeah yeah I knew about y'all from day one but what was what you think is the difference of then and now

or I rather you just say how y'all got in the game and I'll explain how I got in the game or Terror Squad got that even where we Even where we cut and slice it, it was still what we had to do to get here. It was much harder, it was much harder and much challenging, just to be able to record music.

Fuck getting in the game. Just to be it, find somebody, this is before ever going in the studio, just to find somebody that had equipment to record some freestyles or record whatever you had the right was like a task. It was only, it was only a fuel, you know what I mean? So to pass that stage and then enter going into the studio and finally, you know, recording some music that you thought was good enough to pass to the DJs

or pass to a record executive, the journey from just there to there was crazy. Well, a record executive is like, it's impossible. Like, when I first started rapping, I just thought it was, I'm just rapping for the hood. I didn't think I would ever get a record deal. Like, I thought it was like, just me for the homies playing this shit. I never thought, you know, shut out keyboard, money, Mike. And first guy who ever put me on like Bronx Cable and me and my brother, Tone Montana, we used to watch that shit over and over again.

Like, he'd be like, yo, you're going to blow one day. I'm like, blow. Like, you know what I'm saying? So when did you get close enough to where you felt like, oh, I could give this person this mixtape and they could get it into the proper hands? We was actually, it was a bunch of shit that happened, but fast forward to the demo that actually was the one

that was able to get passed to Mary that eventually went to Puff's hands. We was recorded in D&D, D&D studios. Wow. You got to D&D. Shout out Mary. She was in the house last night. Yeah.

MJ, what's up, baby? We shot it. We was in D&D. However, we got the bread to make it to D&D. And it was actually while Ove was making reasonable doubt. He was there. Yeah, he was in another room making reasonable doubt. And we actually seen.

It was a pool. Remember there? You could play pool in there. Yeah, that's where fucking big L threatened me and the enemy. Where I had to write the rhyme in his face. We bumped into Jazzo in there and ended up getting a beat from Jazzo that went on our demo that ended up actually being a song on Puff No Way Out Out.

That sold 10 million. So we recorded a demo in D&D. We was still wet behind the ears, but we felt like these songs was good enough. Mary got a cousin that was a part of our everyday entourage, J. Bob, Jamarco. So he was, he kept him, he knew once we got some songs good enough, we could get it to him, and he could get it to Mary.

So that's what we did. And she happened to be on tour with Josie and, and she popped it in, I think, on the tour bus. And that was, that was our end before all the other shit, I'm going to tell you. You know, that's crazy because shout out the D&D. One time I beat the guys' brakes with the phone, with a red phone and D&D, just was pounding them out with the phone, the old school phone with the wire. Oh, a house phone.

Nah, yo, they hated me forever since because it was like, you know, D&D was like the fly studio, but I had the juice. I was already fat. Yo, my man was like, yo, my girl, she in the studio with these other rap guys.

She was like, she's in D&D. And this, this, Bob, yo, when I tell you who'll be out of the scenes you go bug out, he was like, yo, she in there with the dude. So I had to use, my face to get in there. I'm like, yo, it's Joe Crack. They opened the door

and then we beat the brakes off this guy. And they never like, who was it, Dave and was it Dave and Mike? But anyway, man, shout out the D&D. D&D, one day I saw Jay in there recording with O.C.

They had this one song together and I was up in there and they was rocking. D&D was like, if you made it to D&D. You made it to it. That was like the to get the recording D&D was you felt like Primo had his own

in the room he ended up buying D&D right you end up buying D&D and then you had so the who's who was in there it was almost similar to like a

barbito or stretch and so I'd tell you a better one I went to a Ron G mixtape and I was going in and Biggie was coming out and I'm like

you're big what's up, this, this dad. Oh, that's the shoddies by the shower when he said that one. What he said? The shoddy's by the shower you try to shoot me while I'm shitting. I don't even know.

I'm telling you. Remember that Ron Gita? I'm walking big on. Listen, I was there. Polo grounds? No, it wasn't Polo Grounds. It was, uh, he had a, almost about up NYC. He had a crib on Riverside Drive.

Oh, fine. So it was like right around from up in YC. So I'm walking in there. Biggie Smalls is. walking out. I do a freestyle. And when I'm walking out, two pockets coming in.

So that was the type of shit we were happening and stretching. Bobito, when you hear the infamous, we weren't call it a battle, but the infamous freestyle with Big Al and Jay-Z. Barbito had an open door. That shit was like a, if you

fucked up, Bobito and stretches, like they had everybody coming in. The craziest guys you could think of the door was always open and so that's when they had that legendary uh i wouldn't say battle but it was big l and uh j z in there like pun you know pun broke through uh stretching barbito but this this before in the morning you got to wait you might go there one night and the whole wutang clan is in there 13 deep freestyleing for 20 hours and then you might get the last 10 minutes to play your new demo in there

Like, like, Speaking of the mixtapes, I got a story, do you remember this? I don't even know how we all ended up. What's the first, you know, 54th, Sony? Hit factories in the middle. We was in Sony, all of us, some. Me, you were rich already.

No, no, no, we was on, we was, we was already who we were. It's still, it was still the, this is 90s, early. Sony is so hard. Listen, we in, we in there. Me, you. You, the locks, Joe Crack, Norrie, some other artists. Clue is there.

Y'all put pressure on them. You felt he was putting your songs too far down the thing. Like, because in a mixtape area, if you wasn't in a certain, if they don't put you on a certain part of the tape. When they put you number 28 to 26. That's like, that's the ultimate. That's a disrespect. Yeah, nobody's listening to that far down.

So you seeing me. I seen it was, I don't even, I don't even remember how we all end up. We wasn't recording like a we all the world and none of that for everybody to be there. But they happened to be mad artists and Clue. And y'all put a little pressure on Clue like, yo, Clue, why the fuck you keep making my song's number 20 something, isn't it? And a good thing we was able to, we worked that out. You know, I saw Biggie.

Biggie, and Clue hates this story, but I got to say, Clue's my brother. He leaked one of them big shorts. Bro, I was in Club USA. By the way, that was the flyest club ever. When Biggie came up to me at the Derringer, he had the 22 Dillinger. He was like, yo, you seen Clue?

I swear to God, I just saw Clue. He was like, you seen Clue? He put my shit on the tape. I'm going to go get. I was like, yeah, I ain't see him. And I just saw Clue walk through. Clue hate when I tell that story, but Biggie definitely shut.

Show me the hammer and say he's going to find Clue. He's going to give it to him. Did you used to drive out the Queens to give Clue to your song? We would, nah, by that clue was coming to either rough riders or they would pick, rest in peace, pick would bring Clue to songs or he'll come to the story. Man, I used to have to go to Queens. It was that highway and the police was always on that highway, pulling everybody over. And then at the end, they had like a 24-hour fruit market.

That's where I used to meet Clue to give them the songs But I remember, you know, I was scared to fly So I used to drive down to Miami twice a week And just be listening to every Clue tape Shout out the Bekema, everybody who ever sold the mixtapes You know, Hall of Music Hut Hall of Music Hut, yo, you know, one day When I had my sneaker store in, not sneaker store

Because we ain't have sneakers, but it was Fat Joe halftime Oh, halftime Yeah, we used to sell a mix. tape one day the police came in there and it was locking me up for the mixtapes because we used to sell the mixtapes was illegal so they was like yo somebody got to go to jail

we had my man DJA he's in that latter he didn't want to take the charge he was like yo I can't go to jail I wound up almost getting locked up over mixtapes thank God the cops just gave me a summons but I was going to jail for selling

mixtapes it was the craziest shit I was already a rapper But, you know, what I would do, right? Shout out to Ralph McDaniels. He gave me a huge opportunity. So for kids that don't understand, we're talking about analog and shit before shit was digital and all that.

All the kids would run home at 3 o'clock to go see video music box. That's how you see the artists. This when the TV had knobs on it, kids. You had to turn the top one on the bottom. This is when your man, damn, I don't even got a pocket. This is when you're.

man, special lad, had the one hand in the pocket in the bubble. And it was like, I got a dog, a dog with a solid gold bowl. Got a, what? We was like excited, but I met Ralph McDaniels. I'm not sure where. And I started going to see him. He had an office downtown by City Hall. And I used to have to walk.

The elevator was always broken. 31 flights and stairs. And that's fat, fat, Joe. And then Ralph started letting me host So we go on to clubs and all that And I'm hosting, yo, what up? It's fat, yo, yo, video music box. I'm still in the streets too.

I'm wearing like vance suits, big Cubans. Like they know that's Poppy who got the workup in the Bronx But I needed that look. You know what I'm saying? I needed that, you know, video music box type shit. I went to Apollo theater. So for you to understand this, my whole crew was already.

on. So Finesse, I grew up with Finesse. Lord Fennesse, he said I could say this story, but Lord Fennesse used to, you know, back in the days, he was an entrepreneur, so he would sell the newspaper. Right? So he had a newspaper route. So he'll come around and go

pay paper. You two? Yeah, I had a newspaper. So Finesse used to go paper and then your moms are paying him a dollar for the newspaper, but he bought it for 50 cent. He made 50 cent to go to the store to go get it. So I met Finesse through that, and we used to hang out.

But he used to tell me all the time, y'all, I'm going to be a rapper, right? And I would go to his house. He would DJ. His grandmother was there. And one day I was listening to Red Alert. And your man, Finesse, he played like three or four Fennesse's songs. And I was just like, he made it. If it wasn't for Lord Finesse, they would have never, ever, ever been fat Joe.

Like I would never believe that I could become an artist in my life I had to see it to believe it So when I'm listening to this Lord Finesse is the man that you had to hear I'm like yo I'm going crazy And so Finesse gets on ShowBiz and AG get on

And Diamond was on before all of us Stunts, Bloods and hip hop Classic album And so I said you know what I was hustling I was in the streets And I said y'all I'm going to apologize theater. So you've got to understand I'm in the streets

making money respected in the streets, doing everything I got to do. And I said, I'm going to the Apollo Amateur Night to get on. And this is a real story. Right? So I'm already

buying dappadish. I'm caking. I'm caked up. You see me in the clubs, popping bottles, all type of shit. I'm doing what I'm doing. So I go in there and I remember. remember, so this is the heart of a line, a heart of someone who, I remember I went up in there and it was like 150 groups and I remember like, yo, why are these people in here? Like, you know, I'm here. Like, this, this is over. Like, no, I swear about it. You already won

in your brain. What? I walked up in there like, yo, this shit. Shout out the Cocoa Graf. She just won the tennis. She said the whole crowd was screaming for her opponent in the French. joint. And she started telling herself, co, co, co, co, they screaming, Coco, but they were screaming the other girl's name. And so you got to talk yourself into, you got to speak into existence.

So I walked up in there, I ain't know what it was, but I looked at them, I said, these guys can't fuck with me. I'm, you know, and sure enough, we went out there, I had the yellow dappadine track suit, we came outside, I had the dances, and I had a song

it was called, He's a Big, shot fat joe is a big shot and i came outside and the crowd went crazy and i tried one day to really think about it and be like yo what did i say to make them go crazy but i really ain't say nothing the second i walked outside and started rapping they just there's always no disrespect there's always a fat girl that gets up there and goes and i am telling you and she kick her shit off She kicked them shoes off. You know it's over when the fat girl come up in Apollo and go,

And I am telling you. That's it. And kick her shit. It's over. I can't take it. That's the cheat code. Yo, that's the cheat code in Apollo. There's always a voluptuous woman I can sing, yeah.

She kick up a voluptuous. A voluptu. She kick a shoe off. We got to switch the words. Yeah, I'm right. We're in a different type of thing. What's this? Curvy.

How does song go? And I am. I'm telling you I'm not going She come up in there That shit is Everybody going crazy Oh shit

So it's similar to her The fat guy came out I tried I stood up in the hotel room one day Really trying to think about How I won the Apollo And they just went crazy They seen Joe crack

I don't know if they knew me From the hood from everywhere Or whatever the case And they just started screaming like crazy. They couldn't have heard one rhyme. I don't even remember one mind. Yeah, what he said.

You understand what I'm saying? They just, I was blessed. God said, yo, they're going to go crazy for this guy. And I won four weeks in a row. And that's how I met Red Alert. Red Alert came up to me and was like, yo, DJ Red Alert who ran the game. It was him and Mr. Magic.

There's only two DJs playing hip-hop. Facts. Prime time every week. So Red Alert came to me and was like, Yo, do you got any jingles, any demos? So I gave them flow jo. So I remember I was home in the projects, and I had the flu.

And this must have been COVID way before the COVID. Like, I was fucked, fuck. COVID-18. Fucked up. That COVID-88, this was 88, digger. Like, yo, that COVID came up on it. I was fucked up. And for like two months.

After I gave him my demo, I was waiting to hear it. And, man, that's just it. Whin, boom, boom. When! I was like, yo! I jumped up, yo, I must have hit the ceiling. And I ran, I had to speak, and I threw it on the window right quick. And everybody was in front of the projects.

And I was like, yo, this is my shit. This is my shit. Red Alert playing my shit. And so he played the flow joe. And then maybe like a year later, Chris Lydie, rest and peace, came to my hood, my block, I'm hustling.

Fuck my Jax. He came to a spot. He said, yo, you know who I am? I said, yeah, I know who you is, because I used to see Chris Liddy in the streets and all. He was like, yo, I'm Chris Liddy. I think you could be a big rapper. I just signed a big deal with relativity records. He had Chi Ali, he had the

beat nuts. And then I was the third one. And he was like, yo, you know, I want to make you a rapper. And I was like, what the fuck? I showed everybody that check. It was a 50,000, but it was a legit check. It's a little bit different getting drug money than getting a real check.

Like, look, I got a real check. I'm showing everybody my check. Like, yo, my check. Like, yo. And that changed my life. What songs you were here before you was on? What songs from artists? I heard a lot of shit,

But I remember always hearing Rakim came in the door, check out my melody. I remember check out my melody. He was always playing in the park. Basketball courts coming out of it. I remember hearing running them King of Rock. Big Daddy Kane, Raw. Roxanne Chante.

Man, I'm Chante. That's that shit right there. I'm Chanty. That's a piece of my uncle Tommy G. That was his shit right there. Shout out to Molly Mall. That was his shit. That man, Molly Marley Marr's a dangerous guy.

I just got back from France and I was pumping that. The biz markis are going off. The biz. That was that shit. That's one of my favorite rappers are all time, Biz Marquis. And he would, rest in peace. It wasn't because of lyrical. It was just like, yo.

KRS told me out of anybody in the world he never wanted to battle biz and that shit was amazing to me because he's like, I'm like, Chris, you, I kind of thought you was just, like, I kind of see you not being scared to battle bitch but he's like, he has so much humor and crowd control that he could really actually embarrass him.

So he's like, I would think, I would think it would be G. rap, Rakim, them type of, he's like, nah, I never wanted to battle biz because he could just do some funny shit or do

something crazy. And I said that, that was very interesting. Here, KRS say out of everybody, all of them gladiators from that time. He know. That biz was the one. He didn't want no smoke. He know. You know,

I used to hear the noise of the underground. Oh, Mr. Funk. Yeah, that. I live for the funk. I'm talking about on the block while I'm on the block.

The Jungle Brothers, Jungle Brothers. Jungle Brothers. That's SP. That's what we used to knock the jungle. Yeah. The Pinn-in-Fee! That one was glad that. Jungle Brothers.

I used to ride around looking for guys with the hammer on my lap, looking for guys. Now, I'm just telling you all the truth. It's a family show. All right. I'm just saying it's crazy

because in the prime of violence I'll be pumping pluck one pluck two answer me service on this and I'm looking

for the smoke boy and I'm listening to the daisies potholes in my lawn like yo this shit crazy man or the biggest

most dangerous guys I knew oh nice and smooth kind of like put me on So, Greg Nice and Smooth B, they used to put me on shows when they was the biggest. Yo, let me tell you something about Nice and Smooth. Let's go there, right?

Nice and Smooth say, I'm Greg Nice and I am MC Smooth B. Together, we are pure blend in perfect harmony. Yo, they had dances that do Cliff Love. Just thinking. What? Keeping you waiting. for a long. I'm sorry for waiting so long.

Like, yo, they were like a super mega group. They wasn't. I had a shout out Teddy Ten and special K. They, them production. Nice and smooth production was crazy.

Well, that's the awesome too. The awesome two was you had to be allowed to be up at like four in the morning to hear their show. So with me, I live in the fifth floor of the projects. we had the phone the public phone

like the regular phone in front of the building they would crack open the thing and they would plug the boom box on to the thing for the power so shout out to AJ GP

Crago Vance Romance all the older dudes they would listen to the awesome two at four in the morning I'll be out my window that's where I heard we don't want to be left behind.

All we want to do is just blow your mind. Just one more time, as I say right about now, New York City. That's my shit. I got my ass whip for being in my uncle's room, listening to that repeatedly. I was repetitively just kept listening to that. That shit captivated my mind as a little kid. But then for some stupid reason, I took the crown royal grease and smeared it on the receiver.

They beat the brakes or I don't even know. Grease is the word. I'm listening to that song. Then I'm listening to that fear. I'm listening to that shit over and over the little kid. I just opened it, take the silver top off and put the grease on it with the dial, the glass on the air. I don't know, my grandmother, my mother, my uncle, they all might, somebody beat the shit out of me for that.

Uncle Mike, that was Uncle Mike. He was in the back room. While I'm walking down the street with a boxing my head. That song right there, there's something to my, that music got the, Poison clan, and you're saying to yourself that it sounds very nice. Let me tell you something. I never.

And now the whole thing. And block is China. Sound like me, but I'm original. Hey, hey, y'all, listen, one day, one day when I'm coaching at the walker, he said, well, I'm walking down the street with, I'm in the back. Like, getting the team where they just do that off without the speakers. No, they fuck. Oh, they was rocking.

Ah! Ooh. Oh! Oh! You, Jeter, that's the times They didn't even have videos I heard that shit In the middle of we got to win

I'm coaching I ran to that fucking Rucker Park and I was in the back I ran in there so fast Like a baby bro I was in there like and they was like You know Doing and they

To me it was just so innovative So creative so creative when I was a kid, they rhymed like nobody else. And I got to see them in real life. Like, I really got to see them. Like, I was like, yo, the fucking crash crews. Yeah. Ever signed up for a phone plan thinking, wow, great price?

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He used to write Z-Rock. I used to write, I think I used to write Says and some shit or Papa. I don't fucking know. And then, um, so I, oh. always came from like a graffiti mentality to where with graffiti it's all about a subculture that you you king so if you're looking for graffiti you'll see the names up on the walls that most people won't see them but i don't know if somebody's doing some shit right so we started like that so when i when i finally got my deal with relativity i told them to make these huge

posted. I don't even got one right now. Right now, if you got one, let me know I'm ready to buy it. It's a black and white poster and it had the cover and it said Fat Joe the Gangster. And we tore this city a new ass on. Bro, we used to come home every night

looking like 9-11 all white. Because it was the glue in the water. You have to put the glue in the water. So we on 59th Street over the 59th Street bridge. They had the green Didn't we put it up there? We put Atlantic Avenue, Brooklyn.

We put it west side highway. We put it in Fordham. We put it. We was doing graffiti. So I had me, the Tats crew, a bunch of graffiti artists bombing these posters. Like we was bombing like it was graffiti. So we like king of the city. And so everywhere you go, the other record label started like Leo Cohen.

I never forget. He actually went to relativity and said, yo, y'all got to stop this. this fat Joe the gangster these posters is too big how do y'all have a budget to destroy this like because he knew now all his artist was like yo we want the big

posters we went to me he was like yo you're starting some new shit y'all got to chill like these guys are going too crazy but that's how we did with the poster boards with big pun the dawn car to Gina we was out there it was like you said before back

when we was when you When we had to roll out something back in the days, or in the 90s, rather, you had to be more man. Of course, you had the label doing whatever they did, but you had to form your own staff and get out in the street and do shit yourself. I mean, whether it was painting them, stencils, or just going outside, going everywhere.

You can go on for them, and that's like the emotional day. That's exactly, yeah, I mean? after I would bomb all night, get home maybe six in the morning, I be at the train station and Fordham, giving out little cards saying, hey, yo, I'm Fat Joe, the rapper. And giving them, like, the cover to the single.

Like, I be on the train station, like, yo, I'm Fat Joe, the rapper. And just giving them shit to say Fat Joe, the gangster. Same thing where the first time I ever met Biz, I went down to the lyricist lounge and I was giving the DJ Flojo you know what I'm saying I had the vinyl

so I'm giving it to him personally and that's where I saw a BIG battle like 20 guys and he was up on stage just killing them with a backpack on that's when I met him and he was like yo you flow Joe this yeah it's crazy man

but um everything was man you you know I used to come out the clubs right and this could be I don't want this to be taken any way but I would come out of SOB's different hip hop clubs

and I would see Jay Z Nas a big L all the rappers freestyle and ciphers in front of the club like I would see everybody who became

a legendary they would just be at the clubs freestaling like outside in front of the joint. They'd be spitting their bars out there. How was it for you? Was you going to like... Yeah.

I mean, of course, we was younger, so we wasn't catching the clubs until we got of age or until we got on the label. But Ciphers was a thing of the... of a norm, like to where... Every day we go downtown to get with D. And before that night was over,

it'd be some type of cipher. That's how we met Mace, actually. the Seifle on 125th Street in front of the Mart. T. D. D. Swiss is pops. We was with D in the Mard and T. Like, yo, I got, I know somebody that's super nice, too. He live around here, 130 something, 133rd or whatever. 139.

Yeah. So he came. I remember that day, Mace had on some Nike sandals, I think. He was dumping. He was crazy. He was going crazy, right? Crazy was an understanding. Flow. flow was crazy

so it didn't the rest was history you know you knew then and there he was gonna be a big boy or you just knew he was dead nice we just knew he was night

we didn't know we didn't know we didn't know we was we would be getting signed or what was going to happen in the future all of us because we got signed

around the same time kind of I mean I know that's what big that's where Phenest met Bigel right in front of the Mark And that's when over there was signing some autographs.

And Big El was like, let me spit for you. That's where he met Big El in front of there. That's ill. And then he put him on and brought him with him. And he did the remix to Yes, You Made. And, you know, I remember just as a team player, standing on the stage in the back and just seeing El catch wreck. And I knew we had one.

I was just sitting in the back like, y'all. That was it. This guy is now. And, you know, when they come to digging in the crates, I used to have, you know, A.G. had this one rhyme. Sally, so she shells down by the seashore. How much wood can the wood, chuck, chuck. I don't give a fuck where I saw A.G. Andre the Giant.

I would make him spit that rhyme to me. Sally, so she shells down by the sea shore. How much wood could the wood chuck, chuck more? I'd be like, yo, say the rhyme. Say the rhyme. And he would always do it for me. um that's how it um literally started back in the days it was word of mouth and you would hear about guys like i hear the infamous stories like jay said he used to pull up on dmx and they would have

yeah they had a legendary battle in a pool hole i wasn't there for that but that's the good back and that's what you had to do if somebody was nice you had to pull up on them and hear them and let him hear what you had or I think that's something that's different in today's climate of music. I was in many a sessions with everybody

opposed to now was you emailing it or sending it through a cloud or the ill tape was all bring rills to the studio. You remember that rills and dats and shit like that. I did my whole album

when I got signed the same day I got signed my mother called me over I went over and she told me she was diagnosed with cancer and I'm rushing to tell her yo I got a record deal

you know I'm going to change my life and she tells me yo I got cancer she used to smoke a lot of cigarettes so I remember going to the doctor and the doctor telling us she had so the doctor

it was like, yo, if this was my mother, I would just send her home and spend whatever couple of months I got, I was only like 19, 18. I was, it was crazy to me, right? Yeah, that is. We asked the doc. Yeah, we asked the doc, yo, doc, what's her chances?

Doc, what's the chances? And the doc said, yo, after chemo, after this and that, she got like a 1% chance. And my mom's looked at me and said, you heard him, Joe? He said, we got a chance. We got 1%. we did 1%

we got a chance she went to the hospital she did an operation her shit was this big because they cut it from here to year she had to talk but she lasted

maybe 40 years after that operation thank God but my moral to the story is remember that $50,000 check my mom's

they wouldn't let family spend the night with her so my moms were scared to spend the night by herself so at least

40,000 of the 50,000 I had to pay a registered nurse at that time it was expensive like now like it was you know like 1,500 a night of some shit so I only had 10 Gs left and that was only enough to pay for the studio and then

Diamond did me the favor whoever worked on the album pretty much did the beats for free and I remember I ran out of money to mix the album and shout out to the beat nuts Juju and Les they actually mixed my album for free they mixed the album you know to look out for me

so I'm always forever indebted to the beat nuts but that you know that's the type of shit we was doing back in them days and then we asked some guys messages of funk that was around to sign the relativity there was good brothers too his shit wasn't easy

man and the money's different right so let's go to that dramatically different No, no, the money's different. So you go, Magic Johnson, just so y'all could understand, youth, or anybody's watching, Magic Johnson made $1 million, and they put them on Time Magazine, Sports Illustrated. It was a $1 million a year. Now you got the bummiest guy in the world on the bench for $97 million.

And guys are saying, is Greek freak coming? Or he's going to stay over there and get the max and get $300? something million. The money was different. So Flojo went number one in the country. But I was only getting $500 a show. So I'm doing Yonkers, Staten Island, and the

Fever, $1,500 on a Friday. Saturday, I'm doing VA, North Carolina, D.C. Bang, bang, bang. Like, flying, like trying to kill myself to come back with a little 1,500.

a night. And so this is the difference with the money. So no matter how popping you was, it wasn't no money at the time. So you're thinking like, boom, and I go from, you know, I literally

was selling drug drugs. So I took a I don't know if y'all truly understand like I changed my life like Cinderella, but I was making a lot of money to like hustle for 1,500. like and I had to stay the course so you have to understand if you're going to change your life youth and you're going to get into the rap game and you ain't making that kind of money yet or

whatever the case may be you got to stay the course because I could have easily said no let me go sell jobs let me stick somebody up like guys kept coming to me like you know I used to stick people up so that you know I stuck everything up to supermarkets drug dealers, everything you can name. So guys would come up to me and be like, yo, we got a lick. You know what I'm saying? We got a dude.

He got a couple of hundred. You know what I'm saying? I even was off it, you know. It's crazy, dog. You crazy. No, I'm telling you the truth. Like, they would be like, yo, we got the lit.

And then they pull it off and come around with the new Benz's. Yo, crack, we try to tell you we had the lick. I'm already flow, Joe. Well, look how Illinois is your transition from now. After that, because we had to buy a brick. We had to cop a bird with our advance.

Three dudes, the advance was only enough. So you got the deal and then when it caught. When we got our first deal and the money cleared, we copped a brick and sent it to Baltimore. There was always rumors of that. Oh, me? That's real. That's just real.

So instead of you caught the deal and you thought you was going legit, you went the other way. It was three of us. That was a legitimate, illegitimate. thing to do at the time to get a real event that wasn't enough know what i mean it's three of us we splitting everything down the middle 33 and the third man i had to do so much so my reputation on the street was straight violence right and i came in this game and try to become the pussiest guy in the game because i already knew people were scared to deal with me because they they thinking i'm like a

new york shift night and the stories was going so i was trying my best to be the nicest guy in the world. Like, I'm trying to convince people. Yo, I'm a good guy. Don't listen to what people are saying. Look at this. Did you ever have some, this is back since we on it,

we just, we on the train. No, no, we don't. You have something. We on the train. Did you ever have an altercation in Mount Vernon? Back in the day, back. Because we had a show,

we were supposed to have a show, the young lot, whatever we was, and we got arrested. But we heard before, that y'all had some type of fight or something happened in Mount Vernon. Let's talk about the original, right?

That Mount Vernon show, Mount Vernon showed me what I could do and couldn't do. So I was very young and I was very crew-oriented. Shout out to the V. Right? And these guys were dangerous guys. Like the Terror Squad from day one was very dangerous. I don't have to elaborate. I'm telling you this is not a game.

Everybody was like 7.30 and I would take them to my original shows. Mount Vernon is one of the first shows I ever did. And I used to look up to Mount Vernon because Heavy D is one of my idols, some money earning Mount Vernon. But these guys went and started beating up the fans. So sometimes you bring the wrong hood with you,

they'll beat up your fans. And so they started, stomping out the fans. Oh, man. And that's when I realized, I said, yo, I cannot bring these guys. So somebody grabbing me like, yo, you got a Flojo.

The Flojo was number one. This is why I'm trying to tell you. I did Yonkers. I did Mount Vernon. I did every movie theater you could think of. Now, I'm telling you, like, you know that you started a little movie theater. Flojo was ringing,

nigga Thursday. Thanksgiving night sold out lines around the block for Flo. Yo, but these guys will fight the fans. And so I'd be like a right ski recipe. I'd be like, ski, you can't come. Such as you can't come. And everybody started getting mad at me. I was like, yo, you're beating up the fans.

This ain't like the enemy, somebody who wants to beat me up. Somebody was like, you're swinging on the fans. And so that's crazy. It reminds me of they had some shit. I don't know who the young boy is, but there's a young boy that was really, really popping. What's his name? And although something, he beat up the fan.

They put him in a coma or something. So sometimes you really got to reframe again. But yeah, Mount Vernon, yes. I just, I was one. We never made it to the, we got arrested in the alley. We didn't even make it to the wherever we were supposed to perform, man. So you got there and they picked you up. Yeah, you know what's all in your hometown.

Yeah, so we walked and then it just came with a bus and shackle. and mad cop cars when he was in Mount Vernon City jail we all got arrested I didn't even make it to the show shout out to Mount Vernon man money earning Mount Vernon they put out

you know Mount Vernon was the Beverly Hills of black people in America at one time you know Malcolm X living in one house Stephanie Mills and New York Freddie lived up your girl

Nina Simone it was like you know how you like No Mount Vernon was like if anybody black

had real money it was up there I'm talking about Malcolm X Nina Simone Stephanie Mills while she's running around

with fucking Michael Jackson like the biggest royalty they was in Mount Vernon still you know what I'm saying so Mount Vernon

was really really a stretch of like California Captain Lou Albano's from Mount Vernon Captain Ress of Peace

Captain Lou Albano you remember him and a, what was that, the Madonna video? Yeah. Girls, they, Cindy Alba, girls, they want to have fun on, oh, girls. He had a big, he had a big cameo in that video. He was her dad.

He was trying to stop her. Captain Luke. You know that song is. Yeah, that's one of the ones. That's a legendary. To this day, girls want to have fun. Nice. Yo, to this day, that's a legendary.

That one aged well. You know? And so modern day, you say somebody like rest of peace, ex-exion, they said that guy never left his house. They said he made his music, press play in the computer, was getting rich off of streams and everything. He said he never even left this house. You got artists out here now. That shows the marginal gap of, from you out than to put up.

up actually put the glue on the back of the grow old shits and put them up yourself that being able to make millions of dollars without even leaving the crib is incredible. It's beyond incredible. And so the only thing I say that it's not right with that is... You're missing touching the people. Yes.

You don't touch the people. You don't create. So every time I put out an album, I went on something. and they used to call a promo tour. I hated it because you went out there to go for free, but it ain't nothing like meeting. Like, you know, you go out to San Francisco, you see Vaughan and Sway and all these guys,

and then you go to L.A., and you create a relationship with Fellie Fell and Big Boy and Cruz. Yeah, remember the Baker Boys? They're the first syndicated crew. They was the first syndicated crew. So you go around and you meet all these cosmic calves And all these guys and then when you put out a record that I call a strip It's one thing they support you with a hit

But when you put out a record that's like struggling That's when dumb guys That relationship kick in and they start playing your shit And then if it deserve the blow Then it'll blow So that's what I think the youth is missing That communication with actual people that can help you when you're struggling, you know, because I never,

I never get involved with like, when people tell me, yo, why you don't tell these young kids, these rappers, why you don't this, I'd be like, okay. So the numbers are to, to, to discourage you, the numbers are one out of maybe 10 million people actually make it and rap music. I think that I think you're botching the numbers All right so what's the number What do you think it's the number? It's 53 new rappers every day

They let three of them blow Who's six? Nah Not every day You're very confused Right now composed to Dogg It's artists out here making money

That we're never gonna hear You're never gonna hear of Yes but it's successful Yeah but it's hard though It's not what you think But it's still not the numbers. You just said, you said numbers that's harder in the NBA. You know it's easier to hit the lotto than to make it to the NBA.

You just made a rap numbers harder than both in the shit. Well, rap numbers is that hard to be really successful. Hell, it's not hard to be. You know how many guys are 40 years old on a couch? Successful. Successful. You know how many anybody raps and somebody dies and they be like, yo rapper, Woppy Wop. He was a rapper.

He got killed in Brooklyn today. No, we don't know this guy. just because he made a demo he's a rapper now you know i'm talking about successful every year we could think what a sexy red who was the most successful rapper last year who was the first who is the newest rapper successful glorilla blew up but she was already out um i'm trying to say you had a great year last year sexy yep sexy red too but who just came out they're successful. We can name maybe one to three.

That's really making money that's really successful. Who? Lotto, Glorilla. Lotto been out since she was 12 rapping on the show. But let's think she put into work and she deserves it. What I'm saying to you is like, they've got to be a million something plus girls trying to rap.

And they made it. And so what I'm trying to tell you is that the odds are very, very, very discouraging. You got guys just because, your crew is selling you nice just because you know, you know, you got guys, you got grown men

who refuse to get a nine to five and they're sleeping on their couch at 44 with three kids and their baby mama working and they're out here talking about they're going to wrap. If you ain't getting paid to do a show, if you ain't got no real people streaming

your shit, you are not successful. You understand? So what I'm trying to tell you is that This is harder than you think. Everybody and their mother think they can rap and be successful. It does not work like that. It ain't that easy, but it ain't as hard as when we had to, it's not as hard.

They don't got to go through this shit. No, no, no. I agree. This reminds me at a classic interview that Callie had. I think he was with Ebro when he started spas. You know how hard it was to get on and this and this and that? it was hard back in the day. It was almost impossible.

Everything was hands on. And now I get what you're saying with a press of a button. You could be successful. A lot of people who did that, but there's a lot of people rapping thinking they're going to make it and they never make it. Most people never make it. And it's very similar to the NBA.

The numbers are very similar to the NBA. Now, we ain't discouraging you. I'm just trying to give you, You need the plan A and the plan B, you know, especially if you know it's not working because another thing, let me tell you something, this game, the entertainment business is off momentum. That's why I got a little upset because we came out the box, number one in the country, you know, Apple Music, and then I had to go on vacation.

It was set up ahead of time. I know that when you got momentum, you got to keep your foot on their name. neck. That's the way the game works. Not many artists we've seen come out and get hype at the beginning. You think they're going to blow and then they lost that. And then for years, they keep trying to come back to get. Once you got that momentum, you got to stay your foot on their neck and keep that momentum going. American history is full of wise people. What women said something like, you know, 99.99% of war is diarrhea, and 1% is gory.

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and then when I heard go, go, go shoddy, it's your, I knew, holy shit the man here. No, he delivered. He created the hype and then drop a motherfucking monsoon or tsunami on their ass.

Now, that's not all rappers. You know how many rappers created some type of hype and then drop the ball when it was time to let the single go. They also shut, they blocked it. You can't even use, you can't borrow people's beats. How 50 was taking shit and making his own songs and destroying shit.

They blocked that. So we've got to be mindful of what they're doing now here. I could tell you what happened. Even that mixtape, you had that was crazy that they took that shit off after one hour. Yo, my man, they tried to sue me 10 different ways. It was like the princess thing. Michael Jackson

and state this I put out a mixtape The shit was hard I actually concentrated on that mix tape almost like an album I took that shit serious

I dropped that shit At one hour They was like Yo it came like And I don't Why is that Why fat Joe can't Make a mix

Yo No Nobody can They block in that shit No that shit came Ceasing the sis The cis The BGs

The disc the total every beat I guess I used the biggest beats but it was a mix tape I'm telling everybody it's a mix tape I'm trying to get it going they shut my shit down so far yo I must have so much high blood pressure

no no I drove it puts your pressure when I drove from the lower east side to the Bronx I had like nine pending lawsuits like his shit was coming like it was the same

lawyer they was like hey Joe just to let you know the BG said you know better they're going to sue the next thing Prince of State is saying they want damages they're going to sue this one this the shit just kept coming off a mixtape it just and look

he's telling you all these mixtapes everybody did Fat Joe did one and man when I tell you the rules were different they shut that shit down I never heard the mixtape again how about that

I never heard the mix tape again. Yo, I'm telling you. I never heard the mixtape again. They shut that shit down. He erased it from your hard drive. You know, they moved that shit. I was so scared after that shit. I said, yo.

You see? Nine lawsuits. Or you can just go in the stoolball anybody's beat, put it out, create a buzz. You good. Now that should have lasted for 13 minutes. Now I'm fucking over there. I'm in San Jose.

they plan all type of EDM shit. And then when you go on a Spotify, they call it a mixtape. You see? They took the yala. They took the yala. No, they took the yala. Right now, the language on Spotify or Apple or whatever is like,

yo, the mixtape. And they took our shit and made it they shit. And you can't even do this shit that was our shit. That's some shit. That's big shit. That's big time shit. And so, and that's where the game is at. You know what I'm saying?

Well, we talk about hip-hop music, and I listen to country, and they be like countries the biggest genre or whatever, I hear mad lyrics. Like, you've got to be rap dudes in the back room writing their shit. Because I hear, like, how about corny, like, watered down

like we in San Josepé and every legendary song you ever heard from Stevie Wonder or from whoever they make their own version of it and they play it in the hotels the clubs

the bars and you there were days if you go on YouTube to be honest with you and you like slow jams you hear the fake boys to men the fake luta the fake like what the fuck is why we can't hear the real fucking wrestling. You got something to do with the streaming and all that, the

shit that we never had to weigh in. Yo, lately, I've been like, you know, because my shit is on being all that. So I go to a hotel, I throw on the YouTube and I keep hearing the fake Joe, the fake line of Richie, like, niggas is coming.

Covers. There's somebody... Covers. But how do they get the placement? How do they get the stream? The fake covers. Get the stream over the original. It's something they're leaving out in order to be, because you know how I go. They left one symbol off of one,

one snare is missing or something. They give them the ability to do it. I also never like, I never like, very rare. I get it. A lot of artists, we've been robbed. I've been robbed. You know, I got robbed for my publishing when I was young. Guy pull up on me.

He was like, yo, we Latino. We got to take care of each of his name, Jelly Bean Benitez. They supposedly discovered Madonna and all that. He gave me $50,000 and never gave me another dollar. He must have robbed me for $10, $20 million. I'm talking about.

And big pun. He deserved a torpedo back. No, this guy needs more than a torpedo. But, you know, we never seen him, but it's cool. But the man robbed me, right, for my publishing. So I get it. everybody get robbed. You know, whoever you name,

a Timberland, the Missy, or they always was in the kitchen cooking up. Scott Storch was cooking up, not getting the credit, right? So we all got robbed in one way or another, right? When the artists go now and do their own song over because they got robbed for their publishing

or something like that and they could own the master now, it never sound like the original. No, you know that. And we're so used to the original. And I don't care who you name. I listen to a bunch of artists like redo the song. Their voice don't sound the same.

Yeah, you older now. You're older now. Your shit don't sound the same. And you out here trying to recreate the magic. I say, keep performing, make your money. Don't fuck up the song. Because now they switch it out. So they'll take out the original that we love.

And put yours with that. When they put your shit in there, it's money for the artist, but the shit is whacking than the original. Yeah. Let me use the bathroom. It's hard on the ears. Nobody can do their song over it and it sound good. I don't give a fuck.

Who with it? You can't make, if he did Flojo right now, it's going to sound garbage. You can't, you can't get back into a pocket. You know why? Because we've been used to hearing the shit a certain way. Once you're in. We love when the drum hit. Unhearing.

We love when that shit broke down and then it's just switch up. You're like, even though you're the one who made it, if I had to go back and do it, it's not going to sound the scene. The only guys, anyway, you know what I'm not going to say who? It's never going to sound the same. This is the part of the show. Jada, you can't duplicate the weed plant. The shit comes from different plants.

You never get, I never understood weed. Like if I went to the same guy, Pablo, he can't guarantee me that the weedy sold me earlier comes from the same plant of the fucking... Me and Pete went to Montego Bay. These niggas spent 40 M's. They went to Cali and copied the whole shit. They went to Montego Bay, spent 40 M's cloned the whole shit, everything,

and grew straight garbage. They wasted 40 M's. You know what it was? The soil and the heat And how Jamaica is Ain't Cali weed is like that Because the demographics are Cali Just because you copy it

And tried it in Jamaica It was too hot This shit came out garbage And they wasted their breath My shit is this That's an interesting story But my my My thing is this

If I go to McDonald's I know what the chicken McNuggy is No I'm dead ass No, the answer is the process. Something that grows. I'm just saying when I go, my shit is food. Your shit is weed.

So when I go, no, no. When I go somewhere, I eat the, yo, I always sit there. But listen, listen, we got it. We're rolling. We got to be one. No, I come off the plane. I'm in San Josepay, all this shit.

Right? I'm eating all this kind of weird ass food. Rich shit. Yeah, right. You needed to get back to some. and I got right back to Jimmy's bronze cafe, took two scoots, and I was like, ah, I know this. What I didn't understand is how the weed guy can never tell you.

Like Newport, it tastes like a new port. How could you buy weed from a different plant every time? The answer to that is you see how you, when you go to restaurants, you know, is guaranteed if when you go weed shopping, you got you have to go and try it every time say we we sent them you sent them for diapax you got to sample it yeah you got to try it every time with weed you got to try it every time it's not going to be right every time i you got to oh no let me see this one oh no oh like that you can't guarantee it because you're going to order what you ordered it ain't going to be what

you order any weed they give me make me run butt naked outside i don't want it no i don't That was Frankie, baby. That was a dope. Yeah. They gave you that shit for Friday. That's smoky. Let me tell you something, bro.

Shout out to Dochee, man. She had one in the... Yeah, she knew who she had it. We talked about one. You said... You know how many dochees? It's not going to be that many more. You know how many girls...

Is rapping right now? How many millions of girls is rapping in? Dochi made it? I'm just trying to tell you the Oz. Yo, bro, everybody's sitting on the couch is not going to be a successful. for rapper. They all around the world and all around, like in Africa right now, they must think they're going to be the next Davido or whatever the case may be. I'm just saying you got to

keep an A and a B plan. I'm not discouraging you. I'm just saying chances are, you know how many times I went to karaoke and the girl came up in there and sung the fuck out of the karaoke, but she never blew up as a superstar? Like, it's a. The chances is really hard. So what I'm saying to you is this. All right. I'm giving you a good one. Our fans love shit like that.

Fans of the podcast, Joe and Jada, and we want to thank you for 100,000 subscribers like that. 22 days, baby. Instagram, we're about to crack 100,000. We're like 97,000 or some shit like that.

But listen, the top five greatest hip-hop song ever. I'm gonna let you set it off. I'm gonna let you set it off. I hate it. And yo artists, producers stop getting

fucking mad. We love all of y'all. It's more than five. If we don't fucking pick that song or whatever, y'all keep up popping shit. Like, yo, stop. I love all of y'all. Y'all all are supposed to be the greatest of all time. You're forcing me to do this. He's going to pick five. I'm a pick five. Don't

Rob Bass do not call me and curse me out tomorrow when this shit drop. You got the right to because it takes two. It takes two. I try to get it. It could be, you know what I'm saying? It's millions of them,

though I don't want to, it victimizing me, making me do this. That's right. That's right. Top five biggest hip-hop songs of all time. You see why this is a bad thing? Because it goes off your age.

I can say five in this. Somebody. a new person did. But it's okay. That's not fair. It's okay. Our demographic is people are age, real hip-hop, and then we got some young kids who really want to know the real.

The top five hip-hop songs of all time. How the fuck am I supposed to know? I don't know, but what you think when you heard or you hear it and you just like, yo, this is the biggest shit ever. See, I'm trying to think of when, since I ever. first heard hip hop to now I got nothing but clustered

No that's hard I'm drawing white noise Why don't you go first Damn you said This is your Why you want No this ain't my shit This is what

This is all you right here You go first I'll say Hip Hop hooray Nordy by nature I'll say Still Dre That's where it gets tricky

I'll say I'm just saying biggest hip-hop shit You get caught up? Hold up. Hold on. You get caught up thinking. I'll say New York, Alicia Keys, and Jay-Z. Right? Bouncing around years.

All right, you made it easier for me. I like this. Because I get it easily. That's three. What are you at? What three I said? What three I said? Said New York hip-hop array and...

New York. Alicia Keys and... No, I think we got the best New York hip-hop record. Now, I'm just saying, name the five already, crack. Hip-hop array won the first... Hip-O-R-Rae? Huh?

Hip-O-Rae won the first Grammy, the first Grammy for the rap album for a rap album in 1926. Look at that hip-hop fucking hooray. Okay, I got hip-hop array. I got, what was the second one I said? Still Dre. Right? you know you hit them pianos

and then we got New York you got Hovington two of the greatest songs of all time he on two of the greatest songs of all time you're only on three though you got two more Biggie hypnotize Biggie hypnotize right

and fuck it I'll go cliche I'll go Tupac Dear Mama I need a I'm not You did all Those is all

fucking top 10 songs I can't be madden We have said You're talking about Of all times Right? Yeah You think I just hit

A certain age group There's no way To be right or wrong I think Those songs is That's exactly the point There's no way to be right or wrong So

So my people don't call me and curse me out. Every time I do a producer, every time I do it is, every time I do it at, they want to fucking kill me. Like, yo, I love everybody, man. But I'm just telling you hip-hop parade. Oh, hey, oh, I'm talking about hypnotize. New York. This niggins fucking me up.

I'm talking about the biggest shit. He fucked me up. I don't know, man. Let me say nobody take nothing because I don't like doing these. So I'm on y'all's side but y'all call him and flip on them and everybody called crack

because this is I did. But if I got to give you five, I can't. And let me try. One of them got to be something from Snoop. What? Gin and juice or the G thing or one of them shit

which is definitely one of. Snoop and Dre together got one of them. I don't know which one take your pick. That's one for count that as one. Right? Now, run DMC, king of rock. Oh. I got to be one because that's one of the first songs I've heard in my life.

Now, that's what's set it off. I'm up to three. Now, the other one was you got to make your own one. I gave you Drey and Snoop is one. One of these shits is one. I'm cheating, but I got, he's letting me no choice. He ain't go specific with it. I said gin and juice or G thing.

Those is you take your pet. One, two, two and to that fall. That's two of all times. We got to be clocked the timer in here. Yeah, because this is it. Y'all Jada, man, this shit. You got, I mean, what else? I mean, you got a whole bunch.

Axe got one, too. I don't know which one it is. Look. That's the stop, drop, shut them off on them up that. What you call them as bigger than that? What? It'll make me lose my mind. Y'all going to make me lose the ass.

That shit rips out the... Up in here? That shit rips out the screws. Y'all gonna make me go all out. You know what's crazy with that song? The hook is so top 40. The verses is disrespectful. The verses is saying the most crazy shit.

I suck my dick. When it went on one thing, gunting. Like, yo, you know, he's going crazy. Verses is great. You know, we had a thing. Let me shout out, Coul and Dre. We had a thing.

We would make, we would kill him on the verse and make them. dance on the hook. We will always do that. You got to stop giving the formulas out. Don't tell these people that. When I'm up to three or four, man, four, man, four three. You're up to three.

Yeah, now I'm up to four. Y'all going to make me lose my mind. Oh, I'm leaving shit out. I think one of the see, I, don't hold me, don't quote me, boy, because I ain't said shit. NWA got one too. Pick you.

Fuck the police. If you can have it one you want, that's one. NWA. I'm just, they got one. Biggest of all time. Great. NWA, one, you don't question, my. N.W.A.

Compton's bigger than fuck the police. That's why I just give you NWA. They got one of them, one of them shit they got bigger than, I got switched demographics. I sit alone in my four corner. Oh. That's it. I got millions of more, but I just had to pull up.

I wanted to be diverse with my picks. I got the whole production there and singing that in the back. Listen, man, I was hustling. I was in the street hustling, and my brother told Montana pull up in the red truck, the Wrangler truck. He looked at me. I swear to God, this is like a movie.

He pulled over. I'm on the block watching the shit. I don't want to say what block but I'm on the block watching and he ran up to me and his face it looked like a movie this is my best friend

rest of the piece and he running like he had to tell me something crazy so I'm like yo tune with something he said yo come here come here please come here and the man pressed play because he had the system

boom boom boom boom boom boom boom I sit alone in my four corner room steering that we started dancing around this truck when they played my minds playing tricks on me dancing around like yo this shit is great and every drug dealer felt like paranoid you felt like i took the feds everywhere i go that's why i'm paranoid like everybody living that life you know that was one of them ones nah so let me get jada's uh what did you write down jada's five Look, it ain't

His other songs bigger than mine than his We're just saying He says some big Go Go is one of the biggest songs I have Go, go What's from Go show? Yeah, what, in the club? 50 is your birthday

It ain't nobody in the world I don't know that song You could go, niggies that can't talk I don't know how to sing it. I'm just saying, I agree with you with that. You know what I'm saying? With the 50 cent, damn, that was a good one.

that should have made some shit right yeah that shit nah nah it's your birthday that's the cheeco you don't got to be able to talk and you can sing that that's the that's the cheeco but uh what did we do

what what what did I pick what jada pick on the top five so jada just ran down it was either you had let's go boy king of rock or run DMC pick a snooper dray G thing or I think

G thing would be the one mom's playing tricks on me DMX up in here and then NWA fuck the police or... Paul Compton. What did I pick? New York.

Yo, you got to stop. Now, yo, you see it Violating. That's one of my favorite songs. That's one of my favorite songs. You kidding me. Yo, your man violating my shit right here. We both picked some main shit. Tater be on that

bullshit. He threw the hoodie over He's like, dude, y'all. Like, looking like, he over here and picking, I stand alone in the fork on the room with a... For when I don't got what. Those is missiles. Those are all. Hip, Ray, Biggie Huttmatized, Snoop Dogg.

I said still Dre. I went still Dre. And then I went, um, was Tupac, dear Mama. That was great. Those is great. Hove give it to me as one of them sheds, too. They know that shit everywhere,

and anywhere you could go on with human beings. And then we're going to both agree honorary should be in there is the in the club. It's mad people. 50 set. In the club is definitely one of the club is like the biggest disrespect ever created.

You know, we start disrespect and we go tu-toon, do-to-to-dun-dun-d-d- Yeah, bus is that. With the dilly's the tilly, what the dilly you're supposed to be on me. There's a lot of people supposed to be on me. A baby if you give it to me, I'll give it to you. you. You know what I want.

You know I got it. I can't take it. Yo, listen, Boost Mobile. Yes. Yo, yo, you know what this is? Boost Mobile, Joe Crack, Jada. Stay tuned. Number one podcast in the game,

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