Joe and Jada - Kenya Barris drops GEMS on Black Hollywood, his new Jerry West doc, ‘Black-ish’ legacy & snitching in hip hop culture

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by award-winning filmmaker and showrunner Kenya Barris, the visionary behind ‘Black-ish,’ ‘Girls Trip,’ and more. Barris breaks down his new Amazon Prime documentary on NBA legend Jerry West and describes The Logo’s “basketball trinity” of himself, Michael Jordan, and Kobe Bryant as players who would die on the court. Joe and Jada chop it up with Barris about his upcoming collaboration with Fat Joe, the blessing and curse of being a voice for Black Hollywood, and why Ryan Coogler, Issa Rae, and Antoine Fuqua earning at the highest level makes room for everyone behind them. They also get into why it’s important to keep your circle small, the entitlement that comes with proximity to success, jealousy being the most dangerous thing you can have around you, and men needing to remember how to carry themselves like men. Plus, Joe tells a wild story about almost snitching to James Dolan at the Garden, they commiserate on the negativity surrounding social media, debate the Will Smith-Chris Rock Oscars moment, and break down their respect for Tyler, The Creator and Top Dawg. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! Merch is here! https://joeandjadashow.com/ All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet 5:00 Joe treats the Knicks games like the club 9:00 Kenya & Joe collaborating on new show 18:00 Why Kenya has NEVER felt jealous 22:30 Kenya shouts out Ryan Coogler, Issa Rae & Antoine Fuqua 34:30 Fat Joe's hilarious advice after Kenya's divorce 44:00 Kenya on his new Jerry West documentary 48:30 Breaking down the Joe and Jada dynamic 1:00:30 Joe talks his talk about the podcast game 1:13:00 Will Smith-Chris Rock Oscars incident 1:16:30 Joe was ready to snitch at the Knicks game 1:24:30 The TRUE rules around snitching 1:29:30 Top Dawg & L.A. street politicsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's why I'm so proud of like Ryan and Issa and, you know, Antoine. Because I feel like the more we can succeed and do it on the level that is unquestionably excellent, the more that it makes room for other people that come up behind us. Yeah, what up y'all's Cokea to John Coker? You know what it is. Your boy, Gennett. Perhaps a little

sunsig for the nose, snuck it. The show and Jettin' show, man. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. This one is so iconic. Sheesh.

It calls for the Tom Ford. You know what I mean? Oh, shit. The Thomas's. He's talking about eyes in sight and losing sight and things of that nature but on a real serious tip.

When you think of today's guest, you think of today's guests, you think of, about somebody who really changed the game. Not just in Hollywood, but in the culture. This is a man who looked at television and said, I don't see us.

It then built the empire making sure we were seen from blackish, the girls' trips, the black ass fizzing. Everything he touches turns into gold. I say platinum. He racks me. And now he's stepping behind the lens

as a director to tell a story of one of basketball's greatest icons. On top of all of that, he's working with my brother on something very special. I mean, ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for the one and only

Kenya Barrett. Thank you. My brother. Yo, Kenya Baris, you got that shit on as usual. Always. Pull over. He got one of the only closets

that I'm jealous of. And it probably was just not even his real closet. His Hollywood closet was a mark of his real closet, but it was incorrect. Let me explain something to you.

I still feel a little bit something. This is the guy who beat me to it. Never. I'm telling you, when I saw Black as fuck,

and he just felt like, You was just, they gave you an excuse to throw that shit on it. It was a faster show. And I said, if I'm on TV or something, I'm doing that same shit, we've been coming up on this show. We've been throwing that shit on these niggas is dizzy. You know, before we came, they were wearing the Adidas suit or just black teeth. We are on here, Botegger, all type of shit, Hermes, Louis shit.

Anything you could, every day would never run out. And never run out. After you wearing him, it's a throwaway. Not for me. You double up? Man, I got to say, we never wore nothing twice on this show. I'm saying, when you wear it on the show, will you wear it out? Fuck yeah.

Really? Well, you know now I don't go to the clubs no more. I'm old. So I use the Nick game as the club. Okay. If you ever wanted to know. Wow, that's hard. I'm telling you.

That's the grown-man club. Let me tell you so. That's how you step up. I used to sell drugs to impress the neighbor. So I'm sitting on the couch with the ice on, there's the new, you know, you get the wit to just drive around Harlem and, now we nationally syndicated.

I go to the Knit game like I'm at the fucking V-Ips. I'm so fucking fresh, Ernest. Let me tell you something. You know it's some shit when you see the leather and it just can't crumble. Like that shit is too neat. I don't know what he got on, but he got some shit on.

I go to the game like it's a fucking club. about going there. It just ain't no girls there or nothing. Madison is great. Diamond lights, too. It makes them dance. Last night, they said some shit. They said,

Joe got that bling, bling on. He got them diamonds on the shit. I say, yeah, you know, it's what we do. You know what I'm saying? That's how we paralyze the situation. But my point is,

black as fuck. Thank you. I'm watching every episode. I swear to God, my stylist. Terrell, I called them every episode. I see, yo, this thing

got that shit on. He is not fucking playing with him. That was conscious, huh? Yeah, man. No, yeah, I got one chance. I'm a fat writer. I get a chance to be on TV.

I'm at least put some shit on them. Like, I just come on. And then you was telling us off there that that was your actual crib that they turned into the set. Yeah. That's crazy. And then we had to go

from the set to my crib in the morning sleep, get in the car, and then get out the car and walk back on my house. I'd be like, this is crazy. This is blowing my mind. I'm saying, like, I forget sometime. We would do that. I'm tired.

You know, I did night school the movie and Kevin Hart kept fucking with me because is this heavy actor or like my scene would be a 10 at night, but they'd come get me a 6th in the morning. morning. The prep for TV is much different. I'm waiting all fucking day.

Then they tap me. You're making up you in the trailer for 30. I get home one in the morning. I'm up at six in the morning and I'm just sitting there to like nine at night and then like, all right, Joe, you're seen. And Kevin Hart used to catch me sleeping all day and be like, yo, this ain't the fucking studio. You can't sleep.

This is what. And I'm like, damn, I felt like, you know, like, is it like that for everybody or? No, look at that shit. So if you're Will Smith, you're coming up in there 9 a.m. Samuel Jackson. I mean, even you shouldn't, the real, Kev will tell you, like, you should be scheduled. You should know where your day falls.

I never did it again. Even if it's five hours off. I never did it again. 9 a.m. to 1 a.m. Like, that's, unless you're working all day, that's different. But you shouldn't have to sit around. Kev wouldn't like that. He doesn't do that now.

That was a wild. Shout out to them. That was $100 million. The opportunity. It was a huge movie. love and giving me that opportunity, but never again. I have the niggas, pimping, pimp my ride. The biggest is like, yo, 10 at night, come on.

I'm like, yo, these niggas, I'm eating a beef jerky. Like, yo, this shit crazy. We're going to bring you out of retirement. We're going to bring you out of retirement. Oh, but you don't bring you. You know what else for what we working with, we got a show called the Bucca Jose with the Terrero brothers. And that's going to just bring that whole 80s, 90s, New York.

That shit going to be crazy. Like, it's going to be nuts. It is, it's not just your story. It's, it's, you're the, no, like the forest gunpah hip-hop. Like, the idea of, like, all the moments that you've been there. You know what I'm saying? My favorite part is the, you know, the moment that you saw punt in the crowd. Like that's when the books were like in that crowded apartment, you know what I'm saying?

Like, and you see something that nobody else. And you're like, this is going to, and I was like that. I was like, when we, I get, I get, I get a chance to do that. Have that moment. You know, what you do that with all your movies or you, you know, when you take a chance for somebody or you, you see a guy that writes. Yeah. You're like, all right, I think he could be, you know, because you're putting your career, your word, your everything on the line on on others. But you know when you see something.

And if you're smart, you get stingy. You know what I'm saying? Because you're like, if you see something you're like, yeah, we can help each other. But I know, you know what I'm saying? Like,

this is something special. Try to bring it out. But like, make sure that you keep that, you know, people close to you. I think people, and know,

and make sure that they get taken care of, too. I think that's important if you can. Yeah, everybody got to eat. That's what, that's,

that's the whole, you know, my mentor, J.R. Ridinger, billionaire out of nothing. He taught me everything about business.

And his philosophy or ideology was everybody got to eat. He did not feel good if everybody in the team wasn't eaten. And he taught me different because I come from a crab's in the barrel mentality

out the Bronx. I come in the, I'm the kid, I'm the leader. I'm, you know, he's come through me and it trickle down. You know what I mean? But after I fucked with him, I realized everybody got to eat. So now you come to my sneaker store, they look like they're selling dope. They got fucking Ben's trucks out there,

Rolexes, range rovers, stated in the art. Like, everybody got to eat. State of art. No, everybody's got to eat. But it reflects on you when your team is living good and they're doing great.

You know, some guys, you know what fucks me up is when people don't see the blessings of being down and they get that entitlement and they think, you know, the lights can't be turned off. Right. But everybody got to cook, though.

If everybody's got to eat, everybody got to cook, and I think that's the problem sometimes. Everybody, you sometimes feel like, you get around people and they feel like, you know, you want everybody to, but everybody got to be a part of it. And everybody, you can't just, you know, expect that you just fall off people's plate on their.

You know, I'm saying? I think everybody, that's why the crews that I really respect and I see them come up, everybody has a lane. You know what I'm saying? And when you start figuring out what everybody's lane is, everybody is not going to fit on the freeway. Seriously. And sometimes you got to, I've gotten older and I've realized sometime now that you've got to, you know, be like your crew only can have a certain amount of lanes.

Of the people, you really can be like, I can take care of you. You know what I'm saying? We can take care of each other. And then those people got to have, but I feel like, I think that's a problem with us, little bit sometimes is that we and people around us sometimes just feel entitled because we all came up together but like you want everybody to win but you the whole thing is the proximity of being around you being around jaded like that's a win in itself they don't understand that and i think the talk slow for the people in the flat when i look and i look and i look and i look at the crews that i love

and i look and i see lebronn his crew jane his group like people have jobs you know what i'm saying you and your for people have jobs, people have things that they do. And there's not that whole era of, like, people would just be around and be around. I'm too old for that now. You always talk about that when you show coming in the game early. You tend to,

you think it's cool to want to break everybody until you learn financially, mentally, spiritually, you had it up to head. with bills and lawyers and just taking and a big entourage turns into three

maybe three or four. That's enough. And that's it. My circle was so small. It's like a fucking period. I can't even fit. That's not supposed to be. And you got, still got your crew. But I feel like the problem

is that people feel like that they just should have. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like that causes resentment. It causes contempt. And that energy is toxic. You already know when it's a real moment.

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which is true and every which way is, I don't care if it's a family member. Oh, no, I got a crazy Joe moment before you. Okay. because I've seen you back me up. This guy over here talking about we baited T.L. Schmoor. I don't like, I almost turned it into you. We got the big dog here.

We don't bring people here to bait. You see what kind of quality? Do you see what kind of guests we have here? People you could never get. What is? No, no. No, no, God. You catching the stray for no reason.

No, he's not catching the stray. No, no. He's not catching it. He's catching. the red carpet of these other people that are saying this bad stuff about it. So a podcast that we have Pete Rock here. Pete Rock is very opinionated.

Yep. So I ask. You don't have set up questions. We have a genuine conversation on the couch. There's nobody over there telling us not to ask. We don't disrespect. We got guests that you can never get. Now go back.

My 20th anniversary of late. back, we did the Apollo, we brought everybody, I begged C.L. Smooth and P. Rock to get back together they couldn't see out of her. So P. Rock comes up here and I ask him, what was the fallout? So there's some guy in a podcast,

God bless him, he's interviewing C.L. Smooth. So P. Rock said he was jealous of him or some shit. I didn't tell P. Rock to say that. Nobody did. It wasn't no cute cards. The man said came out of his... I'm going to tell you something to your opinion, right? To double

down on what you said. The same guy he tells C.L. Smooth you, I feel like Fat Joe baited Pete Rock. Not true. I didn't know what he was going to say. That same guy after he said that, his next question was like, so did Pete Rock fuck your girl? Did he

smash your sister? Did he? What happened? I'm like, yo, you baiting the man. Talk about bait, and he's doing the bait. That's the world that we live right? I just was having this conversation. And it's crazy.

I remember when Jay dropped the lyric, my dad had said it to me when I was a kid. He's a kid and a black, I had a dart that I had a mongruz. And I had a huffy. And I was like saying something. I was like, I hate Darnet. My dad was like, come here.

He was like, we're Darnet. I'll eat, don't make you shit. And I was like, okay. And then when Jay said, look, I remember it was cop back up. Anyway, I went back in the house, talking to my great grandma. And I was like, what's wrong?

I was like, Daddy Custin me. And she's like, what's wrong. And she's like, I told her what he said. And she was like, you know what he meant by that? And she was like, if Darnel's hungry and he eats, are you going to have to use a bathroom later? And so I was like, no, she's like, so then why do you care about what Darnel eats? And I was like, and I'm telling you, I put this on my children. I put this on my life.

I'm not trying to, I have a lot of thought. This is, I have never been jealous of a person in my entire, I've been envious. I'd be saying that. I've been envious. I love Ryan Cougar. I've looked at Ryan Cougar. I've looked at Ryan Cougar's career and be like, oh, I mean, I'll live. I wish I had, like I love it, but I celebrate him.

Jealousy is when you see somebody who you would love to have something and be like, but you let it take away from that person. You stated that. Yes. I've never been jealous of a person in my entire life. And when I used to hear people in high school, girls would be like, she's just to tell she's jealous. And I was like, man, shut, I don't know what jealousy.

Yes. She sounds stupid. Like him's saying, I didn't understand it when people would say. And now, as I got older, I started for the first time realizing that jealousy was a real, real, real emotion. Back to what I was going to say before you. I had two albums, one's called Jealous One, Zembe, Joe, and Jealous One of the Most Dangerous Things

You Can Have in your life is a family member or a so-called friend or entourage It's actually jealous of you. If you believe that one of your friends or family members is 1%, One. I'm not saying 100. 1% jealous of you. You've got to get rid of them. It's a disease

and they're sitting there and they're like, and you you're trying to be nice, bringing them the places with you. I brought guys to Madison Square Garden and I'm performing and they're on the side looking at me and I knew they was jealous. It's the worst fucking emotion.

That's an old person move. It's an old person move. I don't have nobody around me that I feel. jealous. If I feel you jealous, you're gone. I don't care if you're a family member. I don't fuck with you. You have to be because it's like somebody on dope. They can't get rid of it. You know what I'm saying? Can't stop once they get on that road. I never change. I don't even know how it happens. And so with me, one of the biggest, believe it or not, one of the biggest problems I ever had was getting down with Rock Nation.

Because automatically they think I know Jay-Z. When I tell you, the dumbest dude you ever seen in your life, the most illiterate, you know, friends that you, you know, you know their IQ is like a peanut. Yo, when you go set up the meeting with me and Jay-Z, and I'm looking at them like, yo, bro, what are you talking about? You didn't even sell an orange on the side of the house. What the fuck?

You ain't never meeting, J.C. You think I'm gonna do? Let me tell you something. I'll tell you your story. I did it one time. I did it one time. Under Flint. No, but listen.

Superstar rapper wants to meet the powers to be. It's the only person on the earth I introduced to the powers to be. They get them a situation. Hook them up. The man don't want to pay the mission. I was mind-boggling.

I was just, I never look at this guy the same no more. I see him and I'm just like, and I'm like, and when they say, yo, so what? Can I ask a couple of questions? You know how Jay-Z says it? He says, yo, so what's your man? Yeah. That's my man now.

No, it's hip-hop's man. Jay-Kiss hip-hop, man. Method man's hip-hop band, fat shows. I try to look up, no, it's my man who didn't pay. So let me ask the question. Was it clearly expressed? Of course. Business is business.

You're trying to get something done you can't do on your own. They put you in the right place. You get it done and then you don't want to pay. Like, come on. Like, now I can't even respect you as a man. Not only that, I have never brought a person. into this building talking about, yo, great guy, this,

that, I'm like, wow. I can't, he know, and that, well, who? No. Perhaps something for the nose. Perhaps. You know, for Kenya, let me tell you something, man. So they make you to be like,

well, you are, but they make you to be like the voice of, black people in America. Like, Tala Perry It's a great position to be. Instead of a voice, though. Not the, the, the part is the part that hurts.

We need, I'm a voice, but I feel like the the part is the part that causes problems. Because everybody's got your name in their mouth. Pause. Right, no, but I think that. Everybody's like, yo, I don't, can you bearers? Can you bearers just, like, word.

I just keep my head down now. Gangster dudes, all type of dudes. No, can you perish? He said, I'm like, and they just expect so much from you. Yeah. Set a high standard. I just keep my head down there.

I mean, I feel like I, I love being able to do what we do. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a blessing. I know every day you wake up and you're like, oh, like I never thought this was possible. You know what I'm saying? Like some of the stuff we, you know,

I still, you know, I started saying, I still remember dreaming about the things I do today. You know what I'm saying? Like, never thought it was possible. But I think the blessing in their curse is that they need more of us. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like the idea that the few of us that there is makes it harder. One, anything you do gets blasted immediately.

Anything anybody says is immediately true. You know what I'm saying? Anything that you do is put it under the microscope in a different kind of way. That's why I'm so proud of like Ryan and Issa and, you know, Antoine. Because I feel like the more we can succeed in. do it on the level that is unquestionably excellent, the more that it makes room for

other people that come up behind us. You know what I'm saying? The more you get to spread your wings is you're not under such a, you know, a light microscope. You get to spread your wings. When everybody's watching everything you do, it makes it a lot hard. And it's just not a lot of, you know, writer-director, you know what I'm saying? But there's just not enough. I want to be in the Illamini too.

Me too. Has anybody approached you? Next time you have a meeting. Next time you have to have. the meeting. Next time there's a meeting. Don't they hold them in this building? No,

no, no, no. Not true. Isn't the, isn't the, yo, isn't that we 30 minutes away from the, yeah, okay.

That's what they want to say, like looking at this. Aren't they 30 minutes? Come up and you know when you see big money. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. This guy looking 22. He just,

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Yo, this motherfucker, we've been around each other too long. He knows everything. The point is It came out so quick. It was like, I remember the day you came back from lunch. Yeah. No, no, no. But I'm, you know, but in any case, right now you see everybody with weight loss stuff.

The weight loss stuff was a side effect to diabetes. That was diabetes medicine. And by the way, they figured out what shit. You can lose weight, like Joseon picking all these things. But that's the 2G. I take the triple G. The third G is the gorilla. That breader, too, a tie.

That bread to get you better. You see my cheekbones and all that shit. What does it do? Because I've heard people talking about it. It make you young. It make you good. I did not do my sugar to test. It wasn't my shit.

A1. My shit was out of my shit. It make you the best. If you want to know what it is. Let me tell you some. I'll tell you some other shit if we talk about, yeah, going to the gym. But let me tell you about some other shit. All the parents, listen, autism awareness month.

Yes. Right? You know, my son, Joey, on the spectrum, right? Let me tell you what I've been doing. Parents, it's very, very expensive. But I get my son to stem cells every six months. It's very, very, very, very expensive. very expensive.

If you could afford it, change his life. Joey now tries to walk. Joey even tries to, the other day he called the lady, party. Like, he never said nobody's name in his life.

Oh my God. Like, he never walked. He never, my son is nonverbal, nothing. He's doing shit. He'd get up and start dancing. Like,

STEM cell. I've been giving a tone for two years every six months. He just, the reason why I remember because he just had his dose today. It's very expensive, but it will change your kids' life. If you got it, get it.

Yeah, I got that. It's interesting. I've seen you with Joey. I've seen, and your relationship to family is enviable. You know what I'm saying? The idea of how you, I call, you're like, my mom's right here. Joey's come like, I remember you not, when I was going to go into my divorce, you told me, you were like, get your wife back.

You're like, you're going to walk in the club. a Lakers gonna be cupping her ass palm in the ass that's what you gotta do You're like If your wife's a baddie That's what you gotta do You gotta say to yourself

Okay yeah there's plenty fish to see You know fucking can't get embarrassed You don't want to come in And Rui Hotchabor Or how about commingus Palming the ass He makes her ass look small You walk in club lifts

She's on the couch That shit was a hell of five. You do away you put the fucking shit on the Instagram. You put the shade room. Fuck, are you outside fucking all these girls. When fucking Stephen Ash is. Doran from the pistons come in with your girls all ass. What's the guy?

What's the guy from the Knicks, cool guy. He never plays Dardier. When Dardy is part and your wife. Bill Wallace, Ben Wallace. Yeah, Ben Wallace type. Ben Wallace is at your house. Big James Odin pumped through with your girl. The Davis brothers.

Now that's what you got to do. Yo. Now, devil's advocate. One of my friends was where, let me tell you something. There's a devil's advocate to this? Devil's advocate. One of my friends was breaking up with his wife. Okay.

Right? and now this might be lost it to the NBA no he was breaking up with his wife and for all the wives did no fat Joe I'm the guy

that will talk you look what you did you said you was going through a divorce what I said get your wife back brother you don't want to but I do that to everybody I don't know that situation I'm the guy who talks the guy into staying with his wife

You caught him at a good time. Everything is timing and certain things. Well, I tell my one. I know for a fact, you can't fix this. If somebody come home, then all this store-up shoes is out of the time. One of them the lodging wines is in. You can't, where do you fix?

It's over. He's no fixed. So timing is always. You walk in your house and the digger got the loaf of sneaker. You see that. Yo, you see no. Lofer. We call it leek.

Yo, you're a fashionable. Yo, Kenya, you're a fashionable guy. Would you ever wear loafer? It's a leaker. Sneakers? It's a loafer and a sneaker. We call it a leaker. Where is the stylish in the room?

Yo, why you ain't burn them shit already? Oh, my God. Yo, Kenya. I got to get that deal. I got to be a lot. Oh, no. With the cuff over them, they're cool.

Oh. But when it comes up a little bit, it's a little, you know. I mean, but with the fans down, I like the shape of it, yeah. You gave them the best compliment of all times. They look like spatulas if you ask. Listen. This shit is horrible, don't. So what the fuck I was talking about just before that?

Your friend. Your friend, all my friends breaking up with his friends. All my friends breaking up with his wife, Joe, come over here, this, this, that. I go over there. Yo, you've been with your wife's high school, this, this dad. I said, yo, are you sure? I'm sure, Joe. Well, if you walk in club live and Elijah Warnes cuffing your wife's ass on the couch,

he said, what if I go her sucking your dick? I still wouldn't give a fuck. I said, oh, no, he's the boy. Yeah, he was serious. He was serious. Wrap it up, Rickru. The man told me this test a wall, because my shit usually worked.

Because I'm a storyteller, so I've been you, I put you in the place. Yo, listen, I know this is funny games. Do you think this shit is cool? But when you see her, he said, I don't give a fuck about him. Was he serious?

Yeah, he left. 18 years later, he got a bite. Something happened detrimental. She did something. You did? Yeah, because he's He's just saying clean the house. You try to hit him with the vision lies.

He doubled your vision. He told him that's nothing what you told me. Demental. How about this? Something detrimental happened. Woo. Everett she did?

It was way worse. Yo, where's the envelope? They told him, you are not the father. Hit him with them. That happens. That'll do it. That will do it.

He said, yo, Kenya, the man, Morrie Povich, I asked them, right? Because we all know. Yeah. What's a moment in our life that, you know, we know, right? So you asked me, Joe, what's your favorite verse ever? I'd say, well, we're Big El. You know, we know. I see, yo, Maury, what's your biggest?

Your most episode that changed your life. He said, the woman had twins that were selling the guy. He's the father. When they seen a result. He was the father of one twin. Tremendo brostin. Is this Googler? Tremenda prostit.

When I start to understand. Is that really facts? Huh? Yeah, they're tremendous. He was the father of one. What day was bumping heads? Yo, this shit is crazy. He was the father one and somebody else was the father.

The other baby. It is possible to have twins with two. different fathers, yes. No, fraternal and identical. No, that's the wrong term, fraternal. Faternal means they don't look the same. My brother is twins.

I have fraternal twins. I'm the father of both of them. It's called hetero paternal. Heteral fraternal? How rare is it? How rare is it? She was fucking everybody. Back to back.

Back to back. Back to back, the back, the fact, the fact, the fact, sat. This shit was maybe that was her perfection. Oh, my God. Two lovers? This is not the father. You okay.

How are you doing? Off screen. You okay. Twins. One of them is the father, the other. Nah, that's shit. And that, you might as well just let the other nigger have the other. the nickname.

You beat that 18-year child support, huh? It's a winner. You beat that 18-year job. You got there first? Just charge the other one to him, too. What about the basketball player? He gave the girl a flat deal. She spent that million dollars.

Yeah, was paid for the whole thing. He said 18 flat-dick, smart guy. He came back to him. Jesus. Yo, I found shit under the pillow. Yo, this guy's making all type of money. He did that one-shot deal, when to take all. Everything must go.

She took the, a million dollars. Ran out that bitch. I was crazy. It was such a bad lawyer. It was like a we-the-people fresh out of law school, just taking, that's no money. I mean, good for him. I tell you, sometimes it worked against him. No, no, sometimes work against him.

I walk in the club one time, this girl. Who? I don't know her name, but she was around in Miami. Like, she was a beautiful girl, but she was out, let's say, seven days a week, forever. And she ran up to me and she was pregnant. She was like, look, I'm in the club. She said, your brother. And she told me who?

Who? No, no, I might have to get some. sued up right now. We're on a different level right now. When she told me who and the fucking bitch went and sat by the ball over there and was looking at me the whole night.

Like, I got him. When she ain't know what to see. That nigga went broke around that time. Bankruptcy legend. It was over. The best of ever. Oh, yeah. It was over.

God. She got him. She's sitting over there. I said, damn, I just loaned that nigger. 20,000. I said she's done. She don't even know. She thought she was in for this.

She said, got him. She was in from Section 8. Man, I've been around a long time. Kenya Bird, you called me a far as girl. She told me, Godham. Your friend, your brother, is sat by the bar. And I was watching it a whole night.

I was like, because she was like, why is she out? A seductive. She was one of them. But listen, I'm looking at her the whole night. Right? I'm like this. Because, you know, I don't get high and nothing.

I'm just... I'm just... I'm looking at her, and I said, man, little does she know. There's no kind of repo everything. I don't think she got paid to this day. That shit was about 20 years ago. I don't think she made the dollar. Let me hear about what...

Tell us about the logo. I got a chance to meet and tell the story of the logo. Facts. Like, it really, and I went into it, to be completely honest, not even thinking he would,

you know, I was going to get the chance to meet it. Did not any way ship or something, he would let me do it. And you know when you, sometimes you go around

white people, and you know immediately they're comfortable. There's a certain energy. He has that energy. You know what I'm saying? He had that energy. Like, you knew immediately

he was super comfortable. And also, he had a bullshit to check. You know what I'm saying? know when it was. You know, some people are talking, and you know when they've been around, and we just hit it off.

And when they come me and said, you know, I could do it, I really was like, I got nervous. Because I was like, oh, this is,

this means something, you know what I'm saying, especially after you read his book because his book is so honest about the life that he had. And he was there before the NBA was with the NBA, black and white,

you know what I'm saying? Dave, Bob Cousy, him saying, and all the way through until now. That's why it's so, many people showed up and said yes.

And I, you know, for me, it was telling the story more than basketball, telling the story of more than the man. He telling a story about somebody who was an icon and who I learned a lot from and who I became with him. And I, for me, the story that, like, when I met MJ, I had never met MJ before. I wanted to, you know, and I went on literally nervous, whatever. And to see him walk in, he has an aura. You know what I'm saying about it.

He has an aura. He walks in. You almost can hear him walk in. You know what I'm saying? Something feels different in the room, like the temperature changes, you know what I'm saying? That's a fact. He comes in, he sits down, it's all there.

The moment he started talking about Jerry, though, it changed for him. Like, he changed from, usually, you know, he talked about his experiences and he has that same provider, but now he's talking about somebody that he looked up to. Yeah. M.J. told me Dr. Jay was his idol.

He told me that. And when he talks, he probably spoke about him differently. You know what I'm saying? He did. And he talked, he's a different. He said he felt like the NBA, the Trinity for him

was Jerry Mike Kobe. And Jerry basically said the same thing. He said they all three of them, they were all friends, they all talked, they all exchanged, you know, texts and information. And he said they all had the same thing that they would die on the court if they

had you. You know what I'm saying? That was that, they had that cold-blooded, just killer mentality. And I think that was, that interview changed and pivoted for me. how I wanted this to be. Because I was like, the dude who's the dude has this kind of respect for him. And I wanted to make it more than about basketball.

And I started like getting into and Jerry was really up on like mental health. You know what I'm saying? Like his own mental health. And now men, our mental health, we often don't examine it in a certain way because we're supposed to have a certain demeanor. We're supposed to keep stuff.

You're supposed to sort of be a certain way. And that doesn't always let in that part of you that allows you to sort of be vulnerable allows you to be sort of like, I need help. I'm not, you know, saying like, it's so, and I think that that was, it was a big part of his life. I think it was a big part of like what his family had to deal with and what he had to do with, you know what I'm saying?

So it just, it was, it was a crazy, four years to do. It was a crazy journey. And it made me really respect documentary filmmakers, because they have to do it in reverse. You say this, what your documentary is going to do. But truthfully, if you really want to do a good job for someone, if I did either of you guys stories, I would not be able to go into it saying what it's going to be. I would have an idea of what I thought I wanted to be. But then as I talk to people and I hang out with you and we talk and I see things,

it kind of tells you what it's going to be. And your job is to build a back. You know what's crazy. You were started with a Sky Rizzy moment because I got to go use the bathroom right now. The documentary starts with the Sky Rizzi or old man break. Give me two minutes. Sky risky. It's a beautiful bill with a story to tell.

The 12 was hilarious. I was like, is it really 12? He wasn't 12. I'm not sure. It was even 12 or 13 or 14. He said it so much. That's why I can, I know the number. That's none.

I've been diabetic since I was about 12, right? 12, yeah. You got it. 12. You listen. All I do is listen. I become a professional avid listener with this new gig right.

How you like it? I love it. It's fun. Is it different? Definitely different. I think the dynamic works for us because it's like yin and yang freaking frat.

I love it. The age gap that's not too far apart makes it perfect too because I actually grew up looking at him, but then we actually got some contemporary time being in the game together and went through some of the same things.

What made y'all want to do this? Was there a moment you all hanging out? We should do this. A few years back, they had a rock team. We had a few meetings to do something and then it fell through. And then out of nowhere, that volume came back

like, oh, we were interested and creating a show with Joe and Jena. And we was with it because we was already going to do. Had you done something together before? No, we never did. How did they know it would work? Yeah, he asked

how they know it would work. They thought it wasn't going to work. This. They counted us out. There goes. Are we rolling? Oh, why? He had to figure.

I went to Dwaynewayway Now I'm trying to explain something You're messing up the angle I'm saying I've got to show you Oh what I didn't have so much swag I said can you do that I want to thank you He was like

I said this motherfucker He'd been the sugar hell What the fuck is this is what we're talking about Because we talked about the logo We talked about that logo. Joe and Jeter, he asked us... I know, but you're saying earlier that his swag was crazy. What are you talking about?

He asked us, how did we get to here with me and you? And the people thought... I was not here. When I left for the piss great... You know I got two nice ears? To listen. While you went on your sky riszy, but most...

Me and my brother was chopping it up. You said, yo, how did y'all even get a show with me? Y'all get together and da-da-da-da-da-da. And how did they know it was going to work? First of all. They didn't think it. He's top five dead or a lot. There's actually, I'm trying to tell him.

What? He's actually, there actually are human beings walking around thinking that he's top five wrap up all time. Right? So he comes with a whole different type of authentic. and the aura around it. Me, I'm the guy that I don't admit, but I hit fucking

hits out the, I'm fucking big poppy Ortiz. I go in there, I clean them fucking bases. Basis loaded. I smack the shit out of the park. They're all the time, but they don't want to give it up. They never give nothing up to me, can you? Right. Nothing. I just win all the time.

Everything's number one. You get sure. We're number one all the time. Why do you think I give a fuck? I walked in with that shit. Louis Vuitton, furze, different cars. I don't give a fuck. I don't care.

Can you? I don't give a, you think I don't know? They always do our top five fashionable rappers. These ninkas can't wash my socks. They make this list. I'm like, they must not know that jacket I had on that night right next to him was 37,000.

Fuck up. Out of here with that shit. You want me to convince me. that I'm not winning. Are you, if it's me? You know how high my ceilings is in the crib?

That shit crazy for the... Get out of here. So I go like that. I said, we go right. Joe and Jada show.com. We got new merch. Fresh off the presses. Go get it.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I think by now they exaggerated the numbers. So the numbers they were saying, everybody who had a podcast, it was like, just got 50 million, like they made money. They were the first to the gold rush,

but the numbers are a little exaggerated. It's great money, because we smashing them. Like, so we, I know, I'm in the algorithm of the money. We're there, right? So, so I pretty much know.

what these guys could be making or not, like, you know, because I, I know the numbers. So these guys are not like us. Unless you got kidnapped in Africa, unless you performed in the... I told you. What happened? I just told this.

Unless you got... Unless you perform in the Vavella in Brazil where they just killed 69 cops the day before there. where you're performing. Unless you perform in the club in Brooklyn with a guy you don't know if the promoter's going to pay you or he got three German shepherds.

You ain't did this shit. Sorry. And the worst nightmare ever was when somebody, another podcaster who was the king or whatever, turned on that YouTube and said, Jesus Christ. They gave this nigger a microphone

And then Jada, little by a little warming up He's doing his facial expressions He's bringing this They like, holy shit These niggins like the odd couple They're going crazy Let me tell you something

I'll tell you something I admit to something So we got to deal with Netflix The other day I went and you know how they put episodes or more? I don't know if you got this. Yeah, bro.

Every day, if it ain't Cardi B, it's Dr. J, if it ain't Colin, it's Kenya Barris, if it ain't him, it's this one, is that one that's fucking, the young Miami. Nigget, this shit is insanity what we're doing up here. This ain't normal shit. This ain't normal shit.

You can't take that. I'm not delirious. This shit ain't normal. If you look, I dare you. When you go to the hotel, you go to Netflix. You got in that ice course. Look at the episodes and more.

Yeah. John Legu-Gi-Gamo, this one, that one, this, this, this. I don't even know, because we just come to work. We get paid to do them. I love to do. He don't like to talk shit like me, but I love it. I am a shit-talker. You know, they used to come to kill me. Can you embarrass, man?

I got to give it to you because, you know, you're a real one, but I'm going to tell you, they used to come kill me. Like, kill me. Are you listening? They used to come kill them. They had every reason to kill me. Every fucking reason to kill me. I deserved it is what I'm trying to tell you.

And when they come, come on, come on, we're all Puerto Rican. We bought equal. Why would you want to kill me? They ain't got the gun in my face like this. I deserve it. Come on, guys. I don't work it. You know, that's this.

That's the sure. I get the fuck out of there every time. So you're going to put Fat Joe up in here to tell a story. And we're the realest in the game. You guys are done. Everybody had to pack their shit up and pull out the white flag. You think I don't know. And there's one thing I don't respect.

And it ain't a person who shot because Jada does. Right? I don't respect that you've been hot for 10 years. And we only did one year. We're number one. Now, I don't want to hear last year. Ryan Cougar, y'all, I've seen you shot him out four or five times. Why?

He's the hottest nigga now. He's been the hottest. No, he's the hottest now. Yeah, he's been in recent award memorabilia. Ever. His hardware is now. Bro, don't talk about these old niggas. They had to be the same niggas.

The right. Yeah. Not me. You can't trick me out of it. Yeah, I'm crazy. Yeah, I'm insane. But it's all in good reason. Yeah.

And I know what it is. And you're not young niggas. Scared the deaf. You're through that shit on you. Let me tell you something. I'm from the South Bronx. I'm telling you. I'm from the South Bronx.

They invented hip-hop music. I was there as a kid for the invention as a fan. Not Cross Town, not this Grandmaster Flash. My brother was a crayboy. Melly Mel, Mr. Ness lives in my grandmother's really. The first female MC Shaw Rock lives in my projects. Ikee C, the first Latino MC room. Nah, nigga, I'm there.

I'm in the Mecca. I'm there. I'm not crossed down. I'm not hearing rumors. I'm not this. I'm there in the soil. I'm just telling you all that to let you know that the Bronx ran hip-hop

for about the first 12 to 13 years. There was nothing. You could be Eminem and rap and you live in Brooklyn. You're not getting it. It was just Bronx mania. Right? It was a time like that.

I'm in junior high school and we're doing the talent show. I do. She'll only come out at night. The mean and they'll be tired. Nothing to do. I've seen that here. I performed that, right, hauling notes, right?

Three girls came out to dance and they played run DMC in the Bronx. Home of hip hop. All we knew was the Bronx. I watched 1,000 niggas look and say, oh, it's over. This shit going to Queens. Fast, nigga, like easy pass. I watched the whole Bronx. They played run DMC

for the first time. The whole niggins said. We knew it was over. That shit was like, that's what happened to all these podcasts when they saw Joe and Jada. They said, they said,

let us front, let us try, let us keep going and trying to act like we don't want. You ain't been kidnapped. You ain't been killed? You ain't been kidnapped? The Iron Sheik didn't ask you for perhaps something for the nose.

Iron Sheik. They just not, and the fluidity is, and they, it's just not the same for them. We need more. You got them a strength of coffee. It's always, the new energy is everything. I feel like I love it. Listen, we went from YouTube to Netflix.

First of all, what was the one we did? Back in the during COVID. Now, we did it on my IG. Yeah. We went from YouTube to Netflix. Everybody said, you crazy, this, this, that. They used to diss me every day. I don't know.

They used to diss me every day. Now I've been looking at them. So the way these guys. Ooh. The up-and-coming. Let's just say the up-and-coming podcast is because you don't like me to say. I'm not you. There's a section of YouTube that's like AM radio.

Good morning, Rio. They actually stepped up. Without them knowing. They're doing better. Every day their content was us. So Fat Joe say some crazy shit. Yeah, I met the algorithm. Their whole show is fuck out of here.

We're giving them content. And they're like, y'all, fuck these guys, they ain't really hot. Now we're on Netflix. They don't have Netflix and chill. So they can't really do the commentary every day about. They do have Netflix. I thought, miss, miss, I thought everybody has Netflix and chill. Motherfucker don't got $999.

You think I need that customer? Fuck. Out of here, nigger. Like, I don't know what these people talking about. If you ain't got Netflix and shit, you ain't got $9.99? You can't buy a fucking button. I hate fat Joe.

I'm not worried about you. I'm worried about the money. That's all I'm ever worried about. Of course, we're preserving the culture. Of course, this is hip-hop. This is where everybody feel comfortable. We never do negativity on it. I love that.

This is all positive. I'm sick of the negative. I'm sick of everything being negative. The negative shit, you know what I'm saying? It can be amazing day in the world. And one negative thing will come up and that will be,

the internet is so happy. You know what I'm saying? Like literally, it could be arguably, everyone's like, this is the best day ever. And the one negative thing, that's all everybody

will talk about that whole day. So I love that. So ice spices in McDonald's. Yes. Some girl starts with, huh? Look how Fat Joe thinks. Crazy fat Joe. The girl smacks ice spice, right?

Who is wrong? The girl, you can't put hands on, on the ice spice eating her chicken McNugget, whatever. And the girl come up in there, she's like, yo, she smacks her. Ice spice, a real girl. She got up. With ice spice got the fuck out of it. She got to get rid of that friend. Done.

That's that circle getting smaller. The friend got out of there on the pew. Listen, what I'm talking about negativity in social media. Ice spice gets smacked. She's, of course, she's from the Bronx. She's going to defend herself. She gets up, tries to get it up. These two fingers.

A day later, the pretty girls. What's their name? Dress Dior and all of them? They fight in the club. Whoever the girls are. Huh? Who Jada? Why?

Because you got to get to. I understand. If you don't know who Jada waiting, he's a guy. or D.S.D.R. You see. Something's wrong with you, brother. You don't know nobody's names. I'm fried, naked. You know I'm fried.

But I know who they are. They get it popping in the club. Two females. Somebody just died, too. Hello? Little kid, though. Hello? He got it.

He got it. He got it. He got it. The girl come up to you. smack ice spice. He got it. The girls smack ice spice. They get it popping.

Yeah, I heard that. The two pretty girls get it popping. Now the two pretty girls in UK want to get it popping. Fucked up. She ran over her with a car. Now she got a body. She killed the girl.

The other pretty girl murdered her. This is all generated. She got licenses and registrations. She's all generated from social media negativity. They seeing this. They're seeing this. They'll, they'll, they'll, they'll mimic everything till somebody dying.

That's a great valid point you made, my brother. Hello. Very, it makes a round of applause. It took an hour and a half when it was very effective. We all got that. And so social media, I have you doing shit you don't want to do. Yeah. And so all this negativity, all that, I don't even, I, you know what?

I'm going to be honest with you. I know everything that's going on, but I'm pretty much in the bubble now. I go home, I do my graffiti. If I don't go to a game or somewhere I'm getting paid, I stay home. It's just like that right now in the streets and social media and all.

It just got me. I look, you know, I've always been a guy. I never got high in all that. I've been a guy that can look at you and be like, oh, no, I don't want to do that. That's what happens. So I'm looking at social media. so negative.

I'm like, let me just stay my ass right here. Keep your head down. Because this shit, and they love it and they celebrate it and they come every day and they start some more shit. And I'm just looking at all this shit and everybody's ratting and everybody.

How about there was a time where people used to ride horses, not cars. Somebody's grandmother the grandfather saw the horses turned into a car and then turned into a phone

and then turn into an airplane that work. Where is he going? I'm at the point where this nigga starts conversations way ahead. I'm trying to give you and then back

I got to see where this goes. You can figure out where he's going. It always lands. It always lands. I don't know what I was saying no more. We started with horses.

I don't even know what I was somebody saved somebody on a horse that turned it to a car that turned it to a phone. It didn't stop. Because we're watching the evolution of destruction through this social media.

And so I just gave you an example. Nah. I don't. Are y'all listening to this? I just gave you. Now, but Today's mathematics. All this shit goes into

Yeah, what? Can I add to this, though, in a good way? That's just what you're saying about the chick's fight Not even think about it like that. That was great. That was great. I'm going to say that there's a other version of it too. That if that can happen on the negative side,

we can see Cougar. We can see you. We can see literally the positive vibrations. And I'm not even not kind of person. I'm talking. I'm saying. How that's good shit. You know what I'm saying?

I think there's a version of people start emulating. I don't need to talk shit about another person to be dope. I don't need to bring talk to my else down to be dope. I don't need to do this. I cannot fight and still be hard. You know what I feel like, you know, I feel like there is another version that people can look at. You'm saying?

That's why I was so when I look at like, we talk about Will Smith. You know what I'm saying? Like Will for every year of his, life that we knew him kept winning without being what everybody said you had to be. That's why I was so, you know, set to see anything that happened, you know what I'm saying, negative to him, because that's why everybody has a bad moment. But I still remember, and I'm still going to always root for Will because he did it so big,

so long without having to do the shit they said we had to do. You know what I'm saying? Oh, so let's shout out Chris Rock. I started asking that like the gentleman and he's a legend. But Will Smith's moment was almost like a young. Disney Star. You ever see the, like Zendaya has to go from Disney to Euphoria.

You know, Justin Bieber goes from a Disney Star to 676 tattoos in his face. And this, because they try to eliminate that image. I think, how about I know Will Smith premeditatedly smacked? Oh, you think so? Yeah. I think he was having a bad day. I met, I'd seen him right after.

He told me, Yo, he had that coming. I think he did feel that way. No, he said, I don't care what he thought. You was one of the first celebrities I seen Whip Will after that. You seen some screening or some shit, but the man told me, yo, he had to get that. I said, damn, Will ain't give a fuck. It wasn't like a spur of the moment.

It was something. That was a hell of a place to do it. Did it momentarily fuck up the bag you think for Will? Yeah. Will will agree to that. You know what I'm saying? But the bag is so big. You know what I'm saying?

At a certain point, you're like, was it worth it? You know what I'm saying? Not maybe for him it was. But I feel like my point I was trying to get is I think I love the show. I don't fucking sit up in like, I feel like so many men right now. And this is no offense to women, but are not handling themselves like men. You know what I'm saying? Like they

Say that again. Please. Stop for a law for the men out there. You're not handling yourselves like a man. Like I don't think men sit up and gossip. The fucking truth. And talk, you know what I'm saying, public. You know, we might stuff behind it.

We'll talk to each other. But the idea of like that is not a manly trait. You know what I'm saying? To get on and, you know, and gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip. And I feel like that's becoming celebrating. rich and it's not something that I'm going to say. Everything changed. That's why I stay

home. I'm home. I'm in the time machine. Everything changed. Ben slept with a woman 20 years ago. He brought this shit up. 20 years later. Yo, I fuck such and such and such in 99 and shit. Like, yo, bro, we don't need. They doing that. That's so against

COVID. Yeah. It's just so weird. Yo. Everything we thought, the snitch. and shit out of control. Like, I'm, I'm ready to snitch on somebody. I'm ready. They fucked me up. I was the last of the Moheekins.

Let me tell you something. I'm so anti-snitching. Like, it's so much in my DNA and my blood. I go to the Knicks game, right? And I'm celebrating. You know, I go in there. The parking attendant is nice. The cops are nice.

The security's nice. The Calizzi, the guy who gives me the Galizzi. Everybody's happened. It's one guy who's security. I'm talking about the garden's really, really white. You really see who the real employees are. And there's one Puerto Rican, the whole state.

He's security. And he's by my seat. And if you see this or your nephews or your son show you, please just watch it for yourself. And every time everybody knows Fat Joe, every time I try to get up to take a picture, he goes, yo, the line, yo, not now.

This is the only Puerto Rican that work in the shit. Keep fucking with it. And I tolerated because I'm a nice guy, and everybody loves Fat Joe and this and this. And I say, you know what? I had to talk to myself. My MS.

I'm about to snitch on this. It starts so far ahead. Have you ever seen our leader of the New York Knicks, our great owner who takes care of us, James Dolan? Have you ever seen them? I don't know what it was. As much as this man took care of me and looks out for me,

He always got a face like he don't want to be bothered. You ever seen that he'd be there like, so, you know, I salute you and he salute me, Fat Joe number one fan, but I don't bother that man for nothing. Yeah. He looks like he doesn't want to be bothered. No, no, he looks like he don't want to be bothered. I was this close.

Okay. I went to the garden one day and I said, okay. I'm telling him. No, no, his fucking death. I'm 25 years I never asked Mr. Dolan for shit in my life. Nothing. I don't bother him. I said today, this motherfucker tells me I'm standing on that line or somebody's walking through.

I said, I'm going to Mr. Dolan. Because he's right there. Hey, Mr. Dolan, yeah, this guy harasses me. Him. Him. In front of the fucking stadium. This man, and I always, I don't know how to fire people. I don't like to get people with you.

But whatever happens to him, if he's cleaning toilets from there, he's up a deck. The niggers are unemployment. And that one day is where I realized the Puerto Rican man with God. That was the one day he smiled at me and was like, hey, Mr. Joe. I said, this motherfucker with God right here. I said, shit, they fade. this motherfucker because I'm snitching. I'm going to Mr. Dolan Yotis, man.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. So when I got, this is the whole thing I don't understand. I'm going to read. The whole everybody snitching at the same time. The idea, though, of what, when is snitching okay? And who is it okay for? The reason that I feel like it's not okay for what we're hearing for, because these are niggas from the street who does a cold.

And what they live by, if that's what you're, you're going to live by this, you got to die by. If you're a criminal or do crime, you shouldn't sniff. I agree. But I tell my child, if you're not under any of them umbrellas, you have the right to

remain silent or call the police or call for help. There needs to be a distinction that put out to that because it's becoming too many rappers and streetnakers that are telling people, you can't snit you can't. And I'm like, that's a culture. That's wrong.

That's for that culture and for that lifestyle, that's the rule. But I'm going to tell my child Snitch! The rules You know, I got a guy I put on one of my albums. He's from Atlanta. Who?

Bank. Who? Big Bank. He got a podcast. He always talks that real shit. The other day he put a picture of one of the white boys crying this shit. He put a song behind it.

Like, I forget what song was. It was the funniest shit in the world, but we've reached a moment. It was a pivot. What you call it? Pivot. Not an end of the, he played end of the role.

It was the end of it. It's like everybody you thought was real. Right. It failed you. And you're sitting there and you're just like, I mean, the snitch is this. Your mom gets robbed. Your lady, your wife gets robbed.

Your daughter's son, whatever. But they could call the cops on everybody. But if you out here pretending to be a gangster, if you out here talking in your music like you some super extra gangster nigger and all of a sudden you get, it's like, what's my man from our in living color? Remember the educated, what was the educated guy? Damon Wayansman.

Damon Williams, right? He was to educate. All of a sudden, you were educated. You're a business man. I'm snitching. This shit out of control. You have me, fooled. So I stay home

because all the rules I grew up by is out the window. And the end, I've been living by a cold that they almost got me confused. Like, did I like, when I go up to heaven, am I going to go up and speak to my guys

and they're going to be like, man, you fell for that shit. You moved like, You know what I'm saying? Because my whole life, I try for the, yeah, am I floored? Am I not a perfect guy? Am I this? Yeah, correct.

I'm a sinner, whatever you want. But for the most part, I try to follow the rules. Like, really follow the rules. So everything I grew up by and all the morals and all the codes, this shit got to be confused. So I'm sitting here like, yo, this shit. But that's social media, too. Because I feel like it's squashing everybody into one. And it's like everybody who's a rapper ain't from the streets.

You know what I'm saying? But they feel like they have to be or have to assume, you know, have people assume that they are because they want to be part of. Well, I like Tyler the Creator. Yeah. But Tyler the Creator is from L.A. and from the Hood. You know what I'm saying? Like Tyler Creators?

How about that? People don't know. Tyler Creators, not like, you like Tyler Creators? Like Tyler Creators, like you just don't. He chooses to rock the way he does, but he's from Holland Thorn and Carson. I'm saying like he's from a real part of L.A. He grew up around real negligence.

I'm saying he just is the way he is. And he's, those are real dudes around him. And I love the fact that he doesn't feel the need to sort of be something that he doesn't feel like it. But he's not a square. I think that's the way it worked for me since they work. I have friends who are the nicest, sweetest guys, tell the greatest jokes, worked hard their whole life, this, this, that. And I respect them for who they are.

ain't got to be actually tough for me. How about the tough guys don't act tough? The more tougher the guys is, the more dangerous this is, the more nicer the guy here. When you beat them, I met guys that their fucking reputations, you're doing a movie with one of these gangster guys from L.A., right? Who? My conception. Micahsexual.

Yeah. You know how legendary is that name? Every time I got around him, he was a perfect gentleman. That's right. So every time you hear all these rumors And when you get around the real ones You're like, wow I was just a Top's house

Right Top. Another one. Top is a legend He's a reputable. No, no, he's a super legend bounty on him. He's a reputable, you know what I'm saying? The most lethal hoods in

Los Angeles. Beyond respect. In a different way. I know of him. That's right. Forget the hood. I know his jail time. Yes.

And while was at his house? He was beyond respected in jail. His people are wildly respected in jail. Yeah. You go around top and it is, he is happy to be in his beautiful home, beautiful home. He was next door to Elon Musk and the king of Qatar. And he says he don't want none of the street. You know what he is, he is and he's a real one.

And I feel like, to me, that's what. You know, I respect the idea. When I go around him, I feel comfortable. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't need to be a gangster. He is a gangster. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't need to talk about it.

You know what I feel? For me, it gets overwhelming, right? So shout out to the one-year anniversary of my brother, Rich player. He got Dynasty Commodity Cannabis. In Harlem, you ever come to New York? Rich Pondon, but I go there for his one-year anniversary. Every gangster, I counted in my one hour there, 350 years of jail time. In my one, I'm sitting there, I'm not going to lie to you.

It gets overwhelming for me to hear everybody telling gangster stories and it won't stop. And for me, Fat Joe, I'm going to tell you something about Fat Joe. Fat Joe talk a lot. Hello? But the people that know, they know he don't talk about. The shit I can't talk about, I keep to myself legendary. Like, I got a treasure chest of shit out there. With the nigger who killed Hoffa, the niggies, the shit, wild shit.

Yeah. For some reason, they want to come to me. For some reason, all these guys who did the most historical shit, ever heard in your way. I'm sitting in Dubai one day. I'm not lying to you. I'm sitting in Dubai one day with white linen on with the sea shot. Everybody's shit.

Crack, what's up? I killed such and such. In Dubai. Who? Well, a dude had the nerve to tell me he killed Tupac. And the dude is a superior

gangster of the ages. They got movies about them. So I'm sitting there like this. One day I got a tuxedo on with a fucking bowtie. Somebody come up to me and say, yo, you've seen the movie, prayed for you, Joe. I'm the guy who gave Rich Porter the guy the 10, the 10 keys.

He did this. And that's why I get, like, I don't know why. They have to tell me every aspect of American gangster culture and break it down. I don't want to hear that. If I'm with these niggas, yo, let's get money, man. Let's eat a fucking a sandwich or something. Like, why I got to hear it?

No, it becomes overbearing for me. It becomes, it's too much gangster. And right now, I'm looking to all these niggas telling and all that. I'm like, yo, I don't even know what, I don't know what's going on. You talk about Micah, since Mike told me, he was like, you from here, you know a lot of people who have these relationships, you know what I'm saying? I grew up in the city and so people coming up

and he was like, you don't want no parts of it. He was like, because once you start going down, he was like, Mike is like, go buy some real estate. Let's go to the Dominican Republic and hang out. He's like, once you start putting yourself and it's a lot of people we all know that say they from hoods,

they're even from LA. I'm saying they get impressed. They're getting taxed because they're They want to be a part of it. So that once you become a part of it, how do they want to be a part of it? They want to be a part of it. Yeah, they want to be a part of something.

They want to feel like the, you know what? And it's all fun and games until it's not. What? No, it's never fun of games. And the thing about, you ain't getting it. Let me tell you the biggest problem with LA, crime politics. LA is not safe. It's not safe.

I'm not saying that right. For anyone. And what I'm trying to tell you is that I'm being with the king of Bel Air. I'm talking about the Jerry West of the gang. The logo of all logos. Ooh! These things we can't talk about, kiss. But what I'm saying is I don't come out the club and niggis front on him.

The guy on the Mount Rushmore. the fucking guy who went to the moon first, the illest nigga ever lived. Yo, homie, what's that about? I'm like, yo, if they don't respect the fucking John Gotti. I'm sitting there with the John Gotti of L.A. like this. And they're trying to play with him.

I'm like, yo, they got no respect out here. One of the biggest rules you have to learn in life. Don't invite me to yonkers. if there's a crazy nigga and yonkers that can scream on me and try to stick me up in front of you. Don't do it. People invite you to the hood.

They don't go to yonkers. Nothing's going to happen. I'm not saying that, yes. I'm not talking about you personally. You go with yonkers with me. They're going to give you. I'm not talking about yonkins with you.

That's great. But I've been in situations where I don't win places with guys that I thought had the juice there. I'm talking about younger before rap, and they ain't really had a juice. So you think you're with that dude, and then they acted funny,

you're like, you're my man, I thought you had this on live. You ain't got this? Everybody got juice, everybody from here, everybody there until you go there. The nigger would be like, yo, get out of here, Joe.

It ain't safe. It's stoff a lie right now. Like, are we lying? This shit smoking mirrors like a motherfucker out here. I understand that. So that's why, you know, all the crazy guys, the real killers, they love Fat Joe. I never had a killer not like Fat Joe.

In fact, when I chill with them, they tell me I'm crazy. He said, you fucking crazy, Fat Joe. I've been with guys that their name is so scary in New York that I've talked to them and I got a million dollars a jury on like this. It's excuse me, Joe, one second. they go across the street. They stick up a rapper, a known rapper, come back. Ooh!

With the chains in their neck, you know, I just go over there. You know, I stick up such and such. You know, listen, I'm looking at them. I'm going to say, you what? Yeah, I just robbed such. Oh, okay, this, just that. Niggas. And so I don't understand that language.

You know, I don't understand that. That's why I stay home and I draw a lot. Keep your head down. It's stuff a lot. You know, these niggas, the point is, listen, guys, whether you rap, whatever the case may be, don't go to

somebody's hood and they're acting and pretending like they got the power that you shoot dice in that lobby and the real guy comes out. Because the money stay on the floor. They say, leave it here, right? What they say at them dice game, they'd be like, yo, yo, yo, yo.

Money on the wood. No, not money on a good gun. No, when it in, come by, me like, yo, leave it all that. Even Fat Joe know better. That's how Mike got put in a wheelchair. Gambling. At a crap game. Well, it wasn't Game Bang, and it was at a crap game.

That's how it happened. Yeah. My man, Black Ant was the nicest, the best guy in the world. He was not pussy. He lost a game over a dollar, and they stabbed him in the heart because he didn't have the dollar. That's a true story. I told you his name, Black Ant. from McKinley Projects, the best guy in the world.

He didn't have the dollar. They stabbed him in his heart. I'm in Harlem getting money. This is before rap. I'm in Harlem getting money. Some guys are shooting dice. Some guys are shooting dice across the street. Of course, I go not behind my business.

It's a legend Bob Lemon. I'll tell you his name. Bob Lemon, he did like 30 years with boy George and all. East side of Harlem. I start shooting, I start beating these. I'm not even a gambler, can you? I start beating these guys

and all fat Joe know how to do it. Fuck that. You know how this shit? Then I realized like, how am I getting out of here? I had to give everybody some money. I was like, yo, yo, you know, ran in my truck,

got the fuck out of there. I realized, oh, shit. I overstepped my boundaryment. I ain't even from here, nigger. They'll take my head off. Just the awful lot. So yeah, you guys should watch the documentary. Thank you.

Where's it on who? It's on Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime. It's called Jerry West. The logo. You know what Jerry West taught me. I just shoot the turnaround? I'm watching Kobe Bryant's feeling we're on TV.

Michael Jordan is giving his speech, and he's in tears. And he says, I believe he said, I told my wife I didn't want to do this because I knew they were going to make me a meme. At that moment, because some people try to act like they're not on social media or they're not watching. Everybody got a dummy account.

They try to act like this. So I'm really thinking Michael Jordan ain't on social. He's playing golf. Now, he's on the boat. He, you know, he's not fucking with that, right? But when he says my wife, I told my wife that I didn't want them to make a meme. The camera shot to Jerry West, and he immediately started laughing. Like, he knew what he was saying.

I said, this motherfucker on social media. Jerry West, he understood exactly what Michael was saying. No matter how, because he's a logo, he got to be old now. How old is he now? It was 83 in the past. That motherfucker were laughing this shit. Like, oh, me, huh. I said, yo, everybody watches social media.

Even Jerry West, the logo, knew what time it was with that. You know, great work, can you embarrass? I can't wait until we get our shit started. I need to meet Tyler Perry. I need to meet Tyler Perry and all your other Illamani friends. Issa, got to have a bag for me. Tyler would love the problem. I need them all.

I need, they, you know, you got that little, you know, I know, a syndicate. Senior society crew. We need in.

I can read. You know what I mean? I'm registered. I'm sag registered. Man, I want to shout out Netflix for supporting us and giving us the bag.

And then we're doing. I don't lie to you guys. This is a race to the paper. Guy sending me watches for half a million. That's what the text I get. When I'm home, they're like,

yo, this is the one of five. This is the one. Like, I'm not trying to be broke. Never. And thank God. I told them one day I stood home. You know, you love your family. But the one day they leave,

the house feels like a sanctuary. Don't it? It's so nice. You get to eat whatever the fuck you want. You're chilling. You watch. And I start looking at my light bulbs in the house. Fucking light bulb.

You're so far ahead of the story. And I'm like, no, why I'm trying to tell you is I grew up so fucking poor. Everybody was running around here with leather V bombers. I had the plastic, my nigger. I tell me, a mayor from Patterson projects. He's like, yo, this. I say, bro, you know why I know your projects? It's a hundred projects in the box.

He said, why? face-to-face was right behind your process. You know what face-to-face is? Face-to-face is when your mother goes and begs welfare to give us some fucking food stamps so we can eat breakfast. Well, I'm from the soil, the bottom of this shit. In the summer, we ain't had no AC.

You had to sleep on the floor low. It's cooler. No paper toilet? Wet the newspaper. Wipe your ass with the newspaper. I'm like, y'all want this shit or not. No paper toilet. No paper toilet.

Wet the newspaper, wipe your ass. Paper toilet. They don't want it. Y'all here this? Toil paper? Thank you. You know, Puerto Rico, we say throw us a picture. I never knew what the fuck that meant.

You can throw me a picture? Don me a picture. Like, what my point is, can you, when you get to looking at the light, I look at my light bulbs like, We got light bulbs This is expensive lightbows Fucking light bulbs

LED Baccarat Expensive You know what I'm saying I sit I'm just so black What are you mad about Two Toma fella?

I've seen your face Yeah but that's how I feel Every day I'm looking at them Pennyloaf for shit You're wearing over there You got nursing school They're not even nurse shoes, they're nurse in school shoes.

You got a toll booth working a shoe. Listen, Kenya Burris, thank you so much, man. This ain't that. The logo, man, on Amazon Prime. Make sure you check it out. I'm watching that shit the night. You heard. Fracking kiss makes some noise for our brother.

Kenya Baris, you heard. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves,

their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite, unhumored me, with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encourage. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Life is full of hurdles, so how do you keep going? On Hurtle with Emily Abadi, we're talking with the most inspiring women in sports and wellness from professional athletes, coaches, and Olympic champions about the challenges that shape them and the mindset that keeps them moving forward. At our level, at this scale, being able to fail in front of the entire world. Like, I can do anything.

I can do anything. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.