Joe and Jada - Kirk Franklin premieres NEW SINGLE w/ GloRilla + talks Usher backlash, Uptown Records deal & gospel-rap origins

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by 20-time Grammy-winning gospel icon Kirk Franklin, who premieres his brand-new single "This Time" featuring GloRilla. The trio dives deep into Kirk's legendary 30-plus year career, exploring his tough upbringing in Fort Worth, Texas, and how he revolutionized the genre by infusing his early love for hip-hop acts like the Geto Boys and Scarface into church music. Kirk opens up about the backlash he faces from some religious circles for praying with secular artists like Usher and Chris Brown backstage, and breaks down the importance of showing love without judgment. Also: Joe’s humbling experience getting bumped to a coach flight, the ultimate gospel cheat code for surviving Amateur Night at the Apollo, and Kirk's hilarious endorsements for RewindIt10 and Kiss Cafê. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX Merch is here: https://joeandjadashow.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know what I mean? Like I'm still hungry. Like I'm government cheese hungry. That's right. I'm the leader of the free lunch bunch. Some of the time. Yeah, yeah. What up, y'all?

This is Joe Crack the Dawn. You know who it is, your boy Jada? You know what it is? The Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. every show I can. It's nothing you guys can do at this point. I'm trying.

Never know. No, he's like Disney Records right now. Right now you got to be like the Bible. You ever seen the Bible head? They're like, who? When you think of today's guests, you think of 20 Grammy sitting on a mantel somewhere collecting dust. You got to teach me how to get the Grammy.

20 Grammy sitting on a mantle somewhere collecting in dust because the man doesn't even slow down long enough to look at them. You just hit New York every time we talk. It's like it just grabs me. You think of a kid out of Fort Worth, Texas who didn't have it easy. No mother, no father in his corner and turned all that pain into a sound. It's been sounding like that for 20 years. The whole world ended up singing along to.

Like you need a throat loss. You think of choirs. You think of stumps. like a Baptist preacher. You think of a man who took gospel out of the church basement and put it on everybody's radio station. And all the members of females. Every award show.

Every corner of the culture. And never once watered down the message to get it dead. It's 30 plus years in the game. And he's still finding new mountains to climb. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Kirk Franklin. bro, bro, listen,

let me say something. Just this East Coast tone that both of you have had y'all entire careers. I'm at the crib washing my little son in the bathtub and it's on 1006th and Park.

In fact, Joe has a video up and all of a sudden I hear something about him saying that he rock with T.D. Jackson, Kirk Franklin. And I almost drowned my little boy.

I almost, I dropped my little boy and my little boys in the water. I'm like, what did he say? Franklin. Yeah. Yeah. And he's TDJ's to Kirk Franklin.

Better have my offering plate filled with Franklin. He said that. He said that. And I had to grab my child. Had to grab my little son because I almost lost him because that Joe like shot it out my name.

Right. And then this one, this one, when the Benjamin's came out and I'm on the church parking lot, Listening to the Benjamas, because I couldn't wait. I got to the house and then I heard his verse. It's like, this guy. Who is this guy?

You don't miss. Never. And then during COVID, just the, just the, like, all the bodies that were left on the stage trying to survive. Like, you can see people trying to catch their breath because they needed like CPR. And there were, there were like people with the pumps trying to get people back to. life because he just really just murdered everybody on the stage and he did it at like 67 years old he was 60 you were like 67 when like like like like like by 72 right you just and so you know man to be here with y'all man it's like really legendary because i really been a fan of of just the skill set

that both of you have had and you know man i've been a mad fan of this this from right here because i think it's just just just his penmanship has just been something. Something that is a masterclass. Really, really, King. So salute to you. Bros, man. Thank you all for having the church boy. You know, I had a long drive yesterday,

and the song came on, and we definitely rocking to the old school. And the song comes on, I want to thank you, Heavenly Father. And I'm telling my man next to me, I said, you know she ain't talking about a dude. She's talking about. God, right?

And I think that's what you do best is you make music that people who listen to regular R&B and hip hop. They got to figure out you're talking about church. By now I don't know you church, Kirkman. They're better. It's a lot of songs you've done that crossed over that everyone could appreciate,

not just people that go to church. Thank you, Ken. And so, you know, I got that. But what's the other one? What's the two sisters? they got that song. Mary, Mary. It's the God in me.

Yeah. You would never know. Like, that's like, rock it. Slaps. What? That joint slaps right there. Like, and you just hit and all, I think if I was in church, that's what I'd be trying to do. Like, they joints that go to everybody and then you realize, you know, and then also, they also tell rappers, don't preach, right?

But, um. They really tell you all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't preach. No, no, you can't sound like you're preaching, but you can send a conscious message in there. No. Like, Lauren Hill's the queen of that.

Like, what's the difference between? Same thing. Lauren Hill got your partying like this. And before you know it, she's talking at Zion. And then you're like, yo, you don't even know what you're singing. So then what's the difference then when they say don't preach, but you can give a conscious message? Like, what would be the difference to somebody?

Like, who doesn't know? To a hood kid that just love bars and hip-hop. and all that. He don't want to just hear you say, yo, Psalms 84, this and that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you plug it in there. Like me, I bought, um, KRS-1's album, criminal-minded. He had a gun, a boozy on the cover. And when I went,

and I go and I sit in there, and I hopped the train, I put it on the walkway, he's like, airplanes flying, overseas people dying, politicians lying. I'm trying.

I was like, whoa, what is this guy? talking about. Yeah, yeah. That's what they mean. Got you, got you. Like, I never knew, I never knew Uzi Ways a Tundba.

Public Enemy was actually a conscious, positive record. Many years later, but, you know, we love Uzi Ways and Tumbah. Many years later, I listened to it. I was like, yo, he was preaching consciousness. So, I'm asking the question.

So then, Jada, who would you say, in your opinion, just as a lyricist? Who, who's done at best? Like, when you look at the commons, when you look at the, the carous ones. When you look at Chuck, who do you feel has done it the best?

One of the best people always managed to slip in jewels and things like that is nice. All of his songs got some jewels. Positiveity, Jews. You might think it's about one thing. The whole thing, you're going to get a nice history lesson. We're going to learn some.

Yeah. Also the greatest storyteller of all time to me besides Biggie Smalls. You know, Biggie is probably the best storyteller, but Slick Rick. Slick Rick. Slick Rick was always positive. I used to be on the corner hustling playing Hey, Young, Bur. Yes, sir. And you feel like you know you're doing wrong.

Yeah, like, see, like even though I was. No, it's real talk. Like, even though I was in church, I was right. based on hip-hop. Like, like, I wasn't influenced by church music when I was a young. I mean, we were from the mud, too. I mean, I was adopted. Older-lating, you know, food stamps, government cheese.

You know, we used to recycle newspapers. Yeah, yeah, newspapers and cans, just pay for my piano lessons. You know, she would take me to the Goodwill and put together like my little Easter suit. So, you know, and then like right around the corner, you know, where the prostitutes, we go in and play pool, and they were let. let us come there, you know, and play pool, and we, you know, kind of drink the little pictures of beer. And so when, when hip hop hit the South in like 1980, because, and when it came, I was about

9 to 10, and I just fell in love with the cadence of rapping. So, you know, I was kid fresh. You know what I was kid fresh. And, you know, and I could, you know, I could spin. I could rap at the skating rink. And so that's who I was during after week. But then on, you know, Sunday morning, Sundays is I would go to train. but I would take that music and I always try to infuse it

when I was playing the piano. What was they saying? What was the grown folks? Didn't care because the girls liked it. Didn't care. Didn't care because the girls liked it. And as long as the girls liked it, I kept doing it. But I was influenced by everything that was happening on the East Coast

from Big Daddy came to L.M. You know, I really wanted to hear what was happening. You know, I mean, don't push me because I'm close to the edge. It's like, it's, you know, really. fitting that the song was called the message, right? You know? Yeah. So what you guys were experiencing was really, it was the salt and pepper to what was happening for me

in this world of gospel music. You know, the first text is that rung my bell, you know, rest in peace, my best friend, Tom Montana. Once again, I'm outside. I'm on the corner, Kirk, up to no good. you know, I'm hustling. And my brother, Tone, he had this red wrangler truck

would just, you take the top off and he got these big speakers. And he looked at me. Like, he ran like Little House on the Prairie. Yo, yo, yo. And I'm thinking this made me beef or something, but the way I see the excitement, I'm like, yo, Tone, what's up?

You got to hear this. You got it. I was like, yo, but what's up, Tone? Because he didn't even use to hustle in that. He came just to play me this song. He pressed playing. That's just... Doon-no-do-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-do.

Yes, sir. Ghetto boys. What? Ghetto boys. A night that kid's sleep. Ghetto boys. We start dancing around the truck. Like, y'all.

Oh, we start. We lose it. Like, for me, Scarface was the only person that I could put in y'all's community at that time and feel like that he could stand. He was. Like, toe-to-to-to-with y'all. Like, Scarface was. that guy.

Yeah, he still is. He's the Scarface that guy. He's there. He's a legendary, he's a superhero. And that's Houston. Yeah, that's Houston. Right down the street from us because, you know, we were full with Dallas. And so, I mean, you know, we were really trying to emulate and we were trying to connect

with what was happening emotionally hip-hop. Because, you know, in gospel music, sometimes it can be so vertical that a lot of times it don't always have place sometimes for your pain, for your reality. you know, like, like, like, like, like, sometimes your reality is almost like it's a statement of your lack of faith. If you have faith, you shouldn't be always talking about being downturned.

And for me, that just didn't rest well with me. Like, I needed to talk about what I saw was real, even if I had my own doubts, my own confused, my own questions about God. I wanted to write about that. And so I really found hip hop for me as a bridge to be able to figure out what the language could be

for somebody who didn't have a mama, who didn't have a daddy, who didn't do good in the school, who had a learning disorder, you know what I'm saying, you know, who had a kid real young and dropped out of school. So it was really what was happening in y'all's world that gave me some type of template to try to figure how to communicate my own. Also, it felt like a new generation, right? So like me from the outside of, the one time we got to see gospel was on BET. Yeah. Right? So I don't care what you're doing. You never went to church?

Yeah, I went to church, man. I actually been to too many churches, if you want to know. How did you feel about that? How was that experience for you? Yeah. If I'm going to keep it 100 with you. Catholic Church was weird for me. The Catholic Church, they're all talking something.

I don't know what they're talking about. More Christian. I don't know what's... It was kind of scary, y'all. Yeah, y'all. It was kind of scary to me, right? Yeah, but it was, I didn't go to Catholic school. Definitely didn't.

But whenever I went Easter, this and that, it just felt weird to me. I couldn't get the vibe. Now, Christian church, I understood. I loved it. I always thought it was great every time I had that experience. But what I was trying to say, I'm trying to keep my thought, because, you know, nowadays, I lose the court. Frot.

Frat. Frat. Trust me. We would see the Yolanda Adams. We would see the Clark sisters. We would see our lap. When Kirk Franklin pushed through the door, it was more like the youth. And so, of course, they had the voices of all time and, you know, the greatest.

But when we saw you, we saw the youth. We saw like, wow, this is new. We mixed in hip-hop with, you know, I'm not a church go-up. like you, but a lot of times, from what I understand, God was with the pimps and the holes and the bad people. And...

What? Jesus was. Jesus was with the pimps, the hose, the street guys. Yes, he was. What are you talking about? I'm not saying anything.

That's who he was with. The guys in jail. You didn't like how he framed that. You didn't... A lot of people got a problem with how I fixed it. You fix it. Okay.

Did you fix that for me? Got you gotcha, got you. That scripture calls Jesus a friend of sins. He's a friend of sin. Don't get in it now. Let him what you want. He didn't turn away those that even didn't believe in him, that he set at the table with people that the religious elite felt

didn't deserve to be at the table. And so he was very intentional about those that others would throw, way he embraced, you know, while still maintaining, you know, you know, like he wasn't hanging out with the prostitute trying to pull up on her. No, no, no, no, trying to convert him in the same way we're talking about. Trying to show love to it, you did? Trying to show love and letting them know, yo, this is the better place for you. That's what I mean, yes.

But it didn't come off like, you're telling you, he's with the pimps in the hole. You're looking for the body over there with the pent. That didn't come on. basically God wasn't really hanging out with the rich people and you know

he was not right go to church you know might be a stripper go to church on Sunday you know church is looking at her

like she crazy and all that and it's supposed to just be welcoming no judge no judging right no judgment that's what I'm saying

so you know because I don't understand right Because what I know about God is no judgment. It's love. It's peace. But when I see people protesting stuff in the middle of the street, right?

Let's just say the Ku Klux Klan was going to church. Yeah, unfortunately. They was hanging everybody. Facts. That is facts. At what point, dude, somebody taps them and goes, yo, this, you know, this Bible's about peace. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm sure in your eye, because you like a super church won't guy I would think, right?

No, no, no. I see, and I think that that's the conflict of the optics. I think that the challenge of the optics is that when you see people that live in a certain space, the assumption is that these are people that are tapped in more than others are tapped in. And that is a horrible misnomer. It's because that's not necessarily true. is that you have people in church that may be there because, you know, their grandmama go there.

They're their favorite church. They want to fill in emotion. See, the challenge with the walk is that the duality of it is that it can be what you believe and it can be just what you feel. And the problem with feeling is that they don't have any necessarily foundational. Feelings take, you know, they take hold of whatever thought is taking place at that time. So if you just want to feel the Holy Ghost you think, then you may want to pull up on a church to just do none,

but just a lot of this, you know what I mean? But may not have a lot of substance, may not have a lot of truth. And so the biggest challenge that has happened historically with Westernized Christianity is this level of biblical illiteracy and the historical foundation of the weaponization of Christian. What's the biblical illiteracy? Is that like a preacher preaching but don't really know real word? Yep, yep.

It's almost like this, for example. Oh, yeah, yeah. Got something right. I'm focused. I'm tuned in. Yeah. It's almost like if you went to a doctor and you went to his office and his degree was, you know, written in like crayons, you ain't going to let him check on you. You know what I mean? Like if he got, you know, his degree. He's a doctor. He's dumb fat telling me I got to lose with choice. You got to do better. Right, right, right, right. I got to do better.

Right. Right. Right. And the challenges in America because freedom of religion, You can say at any moment, God called you the pastor, and there's no process to hold a level of accountability to make sure that. And so every Sunday, you've got a lot of people that are getting spiritual surgery done on them by people that don't even know the right instruments to you. Man. Man, that's the mean one right there. Yeah.

Yeah. So when you look at how the evangelical right at times, and when you look at the challenge of how Christianity has been used against people of color, then you understand that. It's crazy. Oh, no, no, it is.

I'm going to just speak on one thing. I see 9-11, I've seen a bunch of Christians or whatever, and they were saying Muslims get out of here. They had the Bible when they hand it all that. Ain't it about inclusion? Ain't it about love? Ain't it about destiny? You know, there's certain things

that people look at it and they say, yo, like, ain't this about love? Ain't this about the Bible? Yeah. So I'm sure you've seen that in way more levels than us. Now, you know, I've seen it a lot of times in my own life. I mean, just within his past week,

I mean, you know, your boy Usher, who's a very good friend of mine, we've been friends for 20-some years. He wanted me to come meet prayer before the concert backstage. Went backstage and prayed with him and, you know, Chris and Mario. And then the next day, you know, their stuff all on socials about,

why would I be praying for them backstage when they about to watch, you know, on stage and do whatever, whatever. And it's like the question is, okay, well, if they came to church, if they came to church and wanted us to pray for them, you would be okay with that. Yeah. But you have a problem with me going to their world

and praying for them. You see what I'm saying? It's like the challenge is the optics. Same heart. Not only that, I would look at it different. You feel what I'm going? Same hard, same people. The problem is the environment.

Yeah, but talk to me. I would look at it different. If I'm the churchgoer of all churchgoers, I would be like, man, them kids are singing to 80,000. What's the problem? I'm not judging. Is the prayer different?

No, the prayer's not different. So what I'm saying to you, DMX prayed to me in the bathroom of, on. He prayed everywhere. He said, like, I couldn't leave. Yo, brother, I got to pray. Did you have to have a suit or could you have a hobby suit and the prayer affects you to say?

What I am trying to say, if I'm one of the biggest preachers, I'm trying to salute him because these kids, well, men have influenced over 80,000 people in just one night. And maybe his prayer brings him. close to the church. That's how I would look at it. I understand. Okay. Right.

I think that more than anything, is that historically I have constantly seen that we have to be very sensitive and very cautious with this fact of the question or the posture is that all of us are patients. None of us are doctors. Everybody's a patient.

And the hospital is open. for everybody. Because see, when you think you are a doctor, your conversation can be very belittantly. You need this. You need to do that. You can't do it because you have the posture of a doctor. But when you are patient, you realize,

yo, man, I'm sick too. I'm not perfect. I got junk. And I'm in the hospital bed next to you. See, that's what the Christian life is supposed to be. There's room at the cross for everybody because everybody got something. Everybody got something.

I didn't pull up in here with you. y'all super, listen, bro, if you knew what was in my heart in my life of my mind, you'd be like, dang, Kurt got that. Dang, Kurt, yes. And I got to deal with God on this stuff every day, stuff that I know in me he don't like. Yeah, because if you, if you're so influenced you like you are, I think there's a big pressure in walking the right path. There's got to be.

He's a human. He's a human being. Yes. And some people look at him like he's not. Man, a man can't do nothing. People says, yo, man, I wish I had the money. I'm glad I don't have the fame. Fadjo can't go to the supermarket. Fadjo go and it turned into a photo shoot.

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And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts. I have a question for both of y'all. You know, y'all have big stars coming through. You know, you know, everybody pulls up. So, like, on everything, like, and you ain't even got a cap. I'm trying to, you know, be all. I don't chat, man.

Like, what was it about your boy that y'all? felt like that this would be a cool marriage for me to pull up and chill with y'all like you know like what was it you know like when it even came up like how how did you know that it would fit you know first of all you a big deal in our community we love you whether we're not in church every day

where I fear God to the most okay and I understand God and I don't understand people when they doubt God I've seen them too many times like I've been in situations where I've felt them present. Like present. You know what present is?

Like, God, I know you here. Facts. Like, God, you hear. Like, I know. I'm not delusional. He's proving it to me. So, man, man, man, time.

So I never doubt my biggest fear is the plane when the joint going like this. Like, I, God, man, you gave me a great life. Can I make it out of this one? As he got a billboard on Times Square. I got to make it as he's choice. You know, so, but I never question them, right? And so we love you for that. You always spreading positive message.

You're a musical icon. You got 20 Grammys. I'm trying to figure out, do I got to start doing church music? Because I'm not, God won. I've been trying to get a Grammy. Like, I'm not hustling everybody. Jimmy Jam, babyface. I'll get a Grammy.

They got 34 Grammys. I'm like, yo, how do you? You know, so, you know, we respect you above. Or in this show is a grown man show. You know, we hip-hop. Sometimes I go crazy. But at the end of the day, we want to enlighten. They watch it in every barbershop.

They're watching in every hood. They're watching the South Central LA. They're watching in the South Bronx. Yeah. This show is for everybody. Love it. And even people who ain't really necessary black or Latino that's watching on Netflix.

And maybe they can come in here. they could see some positivity. We have Montel Jordan on, like, him and his wife. I love him. He's for real, for real. Oh, no, no. I love him to death. But I asked him a question, right,

that I thought was like ill. Like, if you was giving out awards for questions, I said, listen, no, no, I'm telling you the truth. What do you want me to do? I'm telling you. I thought it was ill. Like, I play around so much, they're not taking me serious, right?

So I go and I say, last time I saw you, because I love. love Montel Joy. I'm a huge, huge fan of him. I feel like great guy, I know he's the church. And so I go, you know, last time I saw you, we had a show together and you had just beat cancer.

And then next thing I know I'm looking at, ball alert, shade room, and caught cancer again. I said, what was your conversation with God? Great question. See what I'm saying? Carton. You said, you can throw your glasses on for this one, bro. No, Greg, what's your conversation with God?

Did he saw you and this? And then, you know, he just answered it, but I thought that was, you know, and it was incredible, you know what I'm saying? And so that's how, so we got everything. We bring everybody from all walks to life, so that everybody can get a little, and it's always positivity. Love that. This is probably, I don't want to say it to them because they think we're crazy and all.

They, well, they think I'm crazy, right? But we go viral all the time, but at the end of the day, this is a positive show. And we always end this positive. This ain't a shock, job. We ain't coming here. So was you with the lady? The deacons, what? We don't play.

That's not going down here. We're going to talk positive. And we're still going to get the message out there. We're going to laugh. We're going to have fun. The people are going to be tuned in. You remember when you were on tour and this last big reunion tour

and y'all came through Dallas? I don't know if you remember this. But you said to me, you said like, your man, I got some records and I want to do something. I don't know if you remember saying that to me. You remember saying that? I definitely do.

Bro, Jay to say. You going to do it? Are you kidding to do it? Don't tell me that. And it can hit me one out of the pop, man. I'm in the church every Sunday. So now let me ask you a question. How?

How, what has been your journey, your own personal journey, like I'm hearing from him, but what's been your positive and negative experience just as a black man in America when it comes to faith? I think my family, my mom, my rest of the piece and my grandmother both of them. They had me, they, they was dipping me in early, like, you know what I mean? So I always had, always had time. and connections. Even to this day, my mom's probably

called me three, four times a week. Pray for me, pray with me, send me a prayer to the phone. She always made sure I was connected

to them, bought Bibles and there's stuff for the church and then baptized and do festivals and send the watermelon trucks and juice.

So I'm always, I got a, I'm always, been reminded no matter which way I'm going left or right. My mom's was always there to say, you know, you got to put first, you know, the Lord is saved. So don't get to. It's fine. I don't think I don't care how much money's coming.

How much fame. I don't care about verses. I don't care about none of that. Make sure you know what's going on with your faith before you think you're Jason. Yeah, yeah. Put that Jeter can stuff to the side and know who you're on. know what's going on. That's dope.

So I was always able to be grounded like that. I'm a single child always, so I always got double the, you know what? I was the only child, so I was, I caught it for me. I was catching action. Do you two, both of you, do you to see? I want to answer that question, too. Let's go, let's go. Jesus is Lord.

There's nobody bigger than God, right? And I super understand that. And many years ago, when I caught my first record deal, I rushed home to tell my mother that I got signed, that I got a record deal that I'm going to leave the streets. I'm going to be a rapper. And when I get there, she looked sad. And I'm like, what's wrong?

So she had got diagnosed with cancer that day. Now, here I am, happiest moment of my life. maybe like 18, 19, something like that. And so my mom looks at me, she did something you should never do to your child. If you ever sick or anything like that, she looked at me, she said, Joe, I don't want to die.

That was like getting hit with Achilles sword. Like, I was just like, oh, my God, right? And I don't want you to die. I'm only 18, right? So we go to the doctor, and the doctor says to me, If this was my mother, I would send her home and maybe she got three months, six months.

But I would enjoy every day with my mother. Right? And she's there, right? So I'm like, for real, but what? He says, listen, your mom's so weak. He said, man, she got like a 1% chance. And my mom's got up. He said, you heard him, Joey?

We got one percent. We got a chance, Joey. We got a chance. Wow. We start jumping up smiling. Wow. You got one chance. She did the operation.

She couldn't speak no more. She had no more voice, but she lived 30 years after that. Wow. And there's so much for me. Help me raise baby Joey, everything, and was so instrumental in my life. And so, you know, from that moment, I really knew God was, you know what I'm saying?

And I didn't do so much messed up stuff. that I should have been gone. I should have been out of here. Join the club. The bullet went like that. Bullet came but went like that. That's what I knew. There is the God.

I got the two-part question for you. After all these years, what does this next chapter look like? And how has it been being partners and doing business with Uptown? I know Uptown. And that's something, and that's something. And that's something. I mean, you know, for them to see something in me that I can contribute to their legacy, you know, I mean, I was honored, humbled, and just led to be able to bring something to them that I feel or that I felt or that I hoped would be a marriage that they could be very proud of. So I'm not one king to want to rest on like past laurels, you know.

I don't want to be known for what I did. I want to be known for what I'm doing, you know, and I'm hungry. You know what I mean? Like I'm still hungry. Like I'm government cheese hungry. That's right. I'm the leader of the free lunch bunch, sometimes. Yeah.

I got free lunch, free lunch. I got a anthem. Free lunch, free lunch. I'm the leader of the freelance bunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, on everything. And that type of energy is, you know, and I'm crushed you a lot of it, you know,

it's from my own abandonment issues, you know what I'm saying? You know, mama didn't want your dad. They don't want you. So, you know, every day you live in, like, you know, you're running like you chasing ghosts. You know what I'm saying? Like you're trying to protect that little young boy, right? You know what I'm saying?

It's like, you know, I don't want to starve yet. So it's like, it's like, I'm, you know, so every album is my first album. because I don't want to starve again. You know what I'm saying? You know, I've stayed at the, you know, rat hotels and I've stayed at the five-star,

I don't want to go back to the rat hotel. No, we don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Last week, man, God taught me a lesson. He teaches me all the time. He lets me know I'm, yo, stay humble. Thanks. I do a show, sold down St. Louis.

I get on a plane rushing back here to go to the, the JZ viewing of his documentary, big deal. And the plane gets canceled like four times. We on it. We take off the ACA work. They come back. We take off against something else came on.

This four times. So I asked my people, yo, get me on the next flight. The only flight that gets me in is coach. Now, I have a prayer. I did it this morning when I woke up. Every single day I pray to God, please God. I need to be first class. I can't be coach.

No, no, no, no, no. I'm humble. I give back. I do anything you want. I smile. I do whatever. I don't want to be coach. I went one time the coach to a friend's wedding,

and I sat next to the Beverly Hillbillies, and these kids was climbing over my shoulder, throwing potato chips in my face. I can't do it. But this time, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I accept it and I'm about to go Coach is the only way to get back

Yeah right And I would have been in big trouble Around this building If I ain't make it to that Jay-Z thing Right so I go So I'm walking past the first class I look I said oh my God You know how they say

I know you don't know But maybe you saw it in the movie How they say the girls be having to walk ashamed The next day They come up out the hotel With yesterday's club I'm walking through that first class Buster rhymes is sitting there

I said oh my God The one time I'm a stick, coaching my life, bus. You, boss, you know, boss, yo, he's king. This son walking, I'm about to leave the first class, and this DJ gets up, scratch. You see, your Joe, what's up?

I said, long story. Long story. Missed the flight four times. I got to get back to say. He said, oh, no, you can't sit back there. I said, no, scratch. He said, you got to take my seat. Wow.

the donkey is sitting in the back. Whoa. And I ain't even fight him. I don't want to own nobody this type of favor. I said, nah, I ain't good. You right scratch, y'all. Me sit down in that shit. Man, that God taught me just that in that time frame right there.

He said, oh, right, you got to go coach. Don't worry, this is now walk up in there. I'm like, oh, my God. As I go on there, hey, give me to see him. I'm still first class. So I had to know, y'all, no matter who you think you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to know that God runs this show.

Let me jump in. Also, though, is that what I can also add to that is that there are times that God divinely orchestrates the coach moment. And so. Just what I'm trying to tell you? Oh, no, no, but what's this though? What's this, though? Is that whether it's the Rad Hotel or or coach, it is also necessary, not in that

situation. I'm talking in general. that a lot of times because we've been blessed with so much, a lot of times it is important to sometimes touch that backseat. It's important sometimes to be able to get that in a horrible room service. It's because it reminds you that you can have it but not need it. You see what I'm saying? The problem is when we need it.

It's nothing wrong with heaven. But the challenge is when we need it is because, see, our identity is not in what we do. Our identity is in who we are. See, what we are and what we do are are two totally different things. Somebody may ask you who was Whitney Houston. You may say she's a singer.

No, that's what she did. That's not who she was. And the problem is we identify people about what they do. So what happens is if your identity is always what you do, you always become a human doing and never a human being.

So what you got to do, sometimes you got to touch that backseat sometimes. So you can be reminded that if God, if life, if my career takes all of this away, I'm still who I am. And my value and he sneaks and this whoop-woo, whatever it is, my value is because God said I'm a king.

God said him a queen. Even if I'm in the back, I'm still a king. And what that does, it teaches other people in the back that they're kings too. Oh, I'm sorry I ain't given them that opportunity. I might have to volunteer coach in the future. Yo, I might have to go in. That's the plan. Next flight, you're going to sit coach, right?

You can touch you back a little? Like my little Diet Coke, man, no peanuts. You know what I'm saying? I love it, coach. I love it. No, this fancy girl back here, she ain't hit no coach. I love a shout out, Daniel Matina. But you got to know.

And then your new boss lady from her, she's so peaceful. Yeah, man. And brilliant. I thought she was the leader of the choir when I walked. We got the leader of the choir over here. How are you doing, man? He's so peaceful. We got some new music.

We got a new singer. Yeah, man. I heard it's fire. Hold on. I ain't hear it, but I heard it's fire. Let him set it up. So how do y'all feel about these worlds when gospel and hip-hop come together.

I love you. I love it. So are we talking about. Do you, do you, do you love it? Gospel and hip hop coming together. Yeah, yeah. Right now. But now, but, but, but it's still got a slap, though, right?

Like, your problem is, your, your problem would be if it didn't slap. Facts. Okay. So I'm about to play a record, and it features Glorillom. That's right. That's my girl. And, and I'm going to be looking at y'all because I know that y'all are, y'all are the elite slapologists.

Okay, y'all are slapologists. I love that. Slapologists. Okay? And I'm going to be looking at your face because, and I need to know in real time, does this pass your history of flapology? Okay. Let's do it, man.

Oh, you got to put that loud. Come on. Hold on. Pull that back. Franky drop. Drake that. Oh, it's already. That's why I know

That's hard You're the first one James We know we break the records You know You're Miami came You're Miami came Up in here with that

Isn't that Way for my plaque And me and me and Jay We was like We know it When we hear it So talk to me Talk to me

Talk to me That's out of here That's I love Of the slap Of the slap Of the slap Carricken

Yeah Without I say you, when you go, we'll be fine this time, we'll be fun this time, we'll be, wow. I think everybody needs to hear that every morning. Wow. Anybody, not just church, not just you want to feel great about your day. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

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When it ain't right, it just start looking at the lightbones. It's almost like you get the little tweety birds around it. We'll change garbage. We just give you the like to get the room, get a little sombre. Yeah, because I'm asking. No, I'm not. We in. you know what, you know what?

I'm trying to make sure. I just told you, that might be your best record ever. That's out of it. This is one I'm trying to tell you. I don't lie. Listen. I'm trying to make sure. Well, I'm trying to assure you're not giving me the Apollo joint.

No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. This is what I'm talking about, first of all, I love to move. I let the move. I'm saying. Yeah, no, I'm talking about, remember.

Yeah, he's here. You know, Samman grabbed the cane. and pull you by your neck. Yeah, but what I'm talking about, both of you know what I'm saying. Like, the word always was that when you go to amateur night do a gospel song because they don't boo you, like, you know, like they don't boo you.

That was always the rumor. You know, that's a good. You didn't know what? Yeah, like, yeah. No, no, has anybody ever heard that before? Like, the cheat code was, if you perform on amateur night at the Apollo. They didn't tell you what's the key code at the Apollo. We'll tell you what the cheat code is at the Apollo.

I started in the Apollo. I won four weeks number one. Really? That's how I became fat. That's how I learned. Really? Red alert and all that got on. Nobody had been to Apollo more than me.

You get a heavyset girl, and she starts singing, And I am telling you. She kicked them shoes off. That is the chief coach. Every week for 40 years, Like, you get a girl like, you almost won. You like, yo, I got this.

Yeah. What's you got to sing, crap? And I am telling you, I am not, yo. And they kicked them shoes all this. He didn't happen, no. He didn't happen. They'd like to go get their cousin there. Almost like every week.

No, he didn't happen. Every week somebody did that record. Every week. That is the biggest song in Apollo history. Once they do that. Well, I just wanted to make sure that when y'all played that, that record. I'm just trying

to make sure that I'm sitting next shorty low who's one of my favorite guys for the E. L. Rest in peace.

That's Slatby in church. I love that song. Quiet rehearsal. You know what's crazy is. In the call. That's a slap. That's certified slack.

Wow. And is moving the needle. And so one thing, you know, I've always listened to gospel music, gospel rap.

I used to go to a barbershop in my, It ain't really Miami. I don't know if it's high a Lee or something. And the barbershop was gospel. They would not play nothing but gospel hip hop. That's it. All the barbers was church dead nice.

So you got to go to them. They're the nicest ones in Miami. And you go in there everybody's gospel and they just be playing the gospel joints. And it was always to me at that time, it was always like a safe gospel. Wow. And so you, I think you pushed that. envelope forward as you should. I've always knew this since then.

I was like, yo, they should just go for it, go for it. And you can't say the same thing. So everybody, you know, I've always thought gospel rappers could be more like a scarface. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then with the hook. Yeah. But if everybody's just saying

the same thing over and over again, he's this, he's that, he's this, you know. Yeah. And I was... You can tell stories too. Yes. Got to tell stories. stories.

You got to end, and I think that there are some, you know, and I just want to use my platform right now to just shout out some gospel artists. There's some people that I just want the coach you to know. Like, I think that you need to check out, you know, there's a young dude named Jonathan McReynolds fire, young dude named Chandler Moore, Daryl Walls. There's some young rappers coming up that are, can't really think of some of the young ans right now. But, but like...

I know the last one that made like crazy noise. The cray. The cray. The cray is still fine. He's still fire. He's the one, he was on fire. Like, I, like, I had regular spitters. He was a spitter.

Not what you call secular or whatever. I had the, like, jaded kisses like that. He's like, yo, you heard this kid look crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're fine, fine. So, you know, there's just some people that I just want people to know, man, the gospel music ain't just one artist. There's a whole community of hitters that I want to be able to use my platform.

You know, my thing is, we fall down. Donna McClerick and that. We can't get up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, that's my thing. Question for you. Jada.

Jada. Janem, that's your question, Jayda. We need to get up. Jada. Has he ever sung this much with any other? No way and next. I like that. So how do you feel about this singing that you've experienced?

I'm a hard boy singing. You ain't got to, you know, Jada, man. You can't help you. I got to learn how to me. God's with me every day. It helps me. He helps me. He helps me.

But I said, Hold, Hold, Hold, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe,

Joe, Dinn, Dint, Dint, Dint, Dint, Dint, Dint,

Dint, Dint, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, I have a question, though.

Like, like, I want to thank you. Heavenly Father. I have a question. How did y'all come, like, like,

like, were y'all this super tight before this show. How did y'all, how did y'all come up with this? Like, were y'all boys like this before this podcast? It was always cool. Always brothers.

Always. I mean. But how did you all? Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like this combo is like really, really, real. Oh. Oh. I'm trying to think.

Super fresh. Like, Rinkley or something. Somebody was saying, listen, y'all should come together. We pitched this show to somebody before and they said, nah. We, we, we, we, we, we. Supposed to do some Amazon. Yeah. Something.

something. They said, nah, it's this that. And so with me, you know, I'm a hustler, Kirk. So I'm saying, I give back so much to the community, but I've got to give back while wearing Louis Vuitton or Gucci. Right? So I have no problem. So that coach backseat ain't going to never happen.

No, no, it's not going to that. It's never going to happen. I don't let's trustee to it. Don't do that. Don't do that, Kirk. You got a powerful voice. Don't talk it up. Don't talk it up. But my thing is, I told him I was watching what these people were doing and numbers and how they was making money and all. I grabbed Jada one day and I said, yo, I said, don't worry about it. Because to me, Jada, to me, Jada has always been, I wouldn't say shy, but he's not a real outgoing talkative person.

Yeah, but his flat humor is lit, though. But then we figured that out after he'd been roasting me on the show for you. Yo, man. I learned that too. Yo, yo, yo, yo, you know, no, no. I'm looking at the shot. Did he just, no, bro. On my mama.

His flat face humor is like genius. It's like he'll stab you. And you don't even realize you bleeding. You ain't even know it. Like, he just stabbed you. Nah, this guy here. Oh. He just stabbed you.

And it's like, why am I bleeding? Why am I bleeding? You don't even know you're bleeding because he stabbed. One day I came in here, threatened him. his best friend. I said, okay, you know what he's doing to me, man. I seen it on this show. I ain't even know. But the point is, we followed the

money. We just looked at it and we just said, yo, they're making a lot of money here. We got to step in there. And I knew Fat Joe's going to go crazy. You know what I mean? And I just knew his authenticity of like you said, I don't care if you in church. You watch you watch Versus. You know

what he is. He's top five deader a lot. So I said, when we talk about this hip hop in North Latin. They still do a memorials after that. Yeah, no way to beat us. So I'm looking at it, so I knew anybody who, any other podcast who saw this, I promise you, the first day they saw this,

they said, man, I hope this is just a hobby. And these guys, they thought it wasn't going to be, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking to a church man. They're a God, man. They were scared too. They didn't think it wasn't going to work. They hope me and you ain't want to work.

They all weird with all they rappers, maybe once a month. When they seen them episodes coming like this, and they seen that set. And they seen Cardi B and French Montagne. Let me ask you all this question then. So like when y'all started hearing about Southern hip-hop, and it's like coming from the Mecca,

what was your honest view and thought, like, who did you respect? Who were you a fan of? And just, like, what was your view of what was happening? I came out around the time with Outcast. We came out around the same time Outcast came. Did you know they was... Do you know they was going to be super frit,

go where they took it to, but we thought they was dope. So you thought that they were nice? Southern Blair listening. And they came with the whole organized noise and Goody Mob and Seelow. We thought they was, we thought, he's like, oh, these dudes, they're nice. But what about the pimpsies and me?

I'm more of a goody mob. He heard it before me. You should answer me. What you heard before me? Get it. Don't stop calling this. I just said, you're older. So you heard something back before me.

When you get my age, keep doing them pull-ups. So you can look this good. Remember, I told you. definitely the ghetto boys right and definitely the goody mom who's that looking in my window yeah thanks like out nobody now

and I fadjo I could say this wholeheartedly I've always embraced everybody the South got something to say the West Coast has something to say the Midwest has something I know I was doing every Noodle John album

except maybe one or two Wow. Yeah. Wow. And Little John took me to Summer Jam when, yo, this all makes sense. Leanback was only maybe three days old, right? And, yeah, correct. Hot 97, and I'm going to really, really point the cannons at Ebro Darden, right?

And I'm going to say they funded on Fat Joe to do lean back. And Little John was like, yo, we got to do your new song. So he put me on stage in his set. And when I tell you, 80,000 people leaning back like this, and I look back and Kanye West is hiding behind, like everybody knew it was a smoker.

His Hot 97 chose to front. And Little John, that's why on the remix, I said, took a down south brother to bring your boy out. Because when that happened, it was nothing you could say. The whole stadium in two days. three days after they came out, the whole stadium was doing this.

Yeah, but Scott did that record, though, didn't? Scott did it. Little John did the remit. I'm not saying. Little John's my man. I got you, got you. No, no, I'm trying to educate. I'm trying to make sure.

I don't know about that song with Little John. I ain't really trying to play no games. You're all right. I'm on there with Trick Daddy. He's been my man. Making history. You're going to the Trump. Sky Rizzy.

There's a song you can sing. There's something that says. What does that mean? Where's he going? No, I ain't got old man break. You know what? The man, the man got a whole little pill with a story to tell. You know, we are, you know, he's on Sky Rizzo.

He's on the Sky Rizzo. He's on the Sky Rizzer. Make a little pill with something to say. So the Sky Rizzo, make you pee. We don't know. We're just lying. Yesterday was Trent Fire. The other day was those, we just anything.

This is a bunch of 50-year-old guys talking about. One day, the man told me, Scott Rizzi, I looked it up. And I said, yo, this ain't got nothing to do with pissing. No, nothing. I thought you're the top five dead or alive. Woody rapper. I thought he knew what he was talking about. I looked at him.

I said, yo, the guy ain't always singing this guy and Rizzy to me, man. What's this about? They ain't have nothing to do with this in the gospel. You know, it's just a theme song. No, they've been living, right? They've been living for real. Let me ask you a question.

Oh, it sounds Wait a minute, so the interview still going? Yes. Y'all Kurt. Y'all Kurt, we don't stop. Y'all Kurt, we don't never shut the... We never shut up. Yo!

No, we never. I don't, y'all stop rolling. I thought he had to pee. But he got to pee. I'll just... Kurt. Don't you want to look like this beautiful man Tyson back for here. Maybe trim up the beard with the rewind the time.

It's our product. I do a drop. No, not a drop. I need you to you. Have you ever done it? Well, I thought you wanted to be on it. No, the brother, no. This part of the show, Kurt.

With the camera. Okay. Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Okay. Hi. My name is Kirk Franklin. And I want to ask all of my brothers out there, why fight the time? When you can rewind the time.

When I'm, what's the first? Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? One time. Here we go, Pam. Hi. Hi, my name's Kirk Franklin. And I'm asking you brothers out there, why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Yes.

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Oh! Woo! Woo! Joe! Let me actually. you question real quick, and I don't want to say top five, because this is all getting played out, but could you name me some of your

greatest influences in the church music and gospel music? It really influenced you, or really you loved hearing it, you know? Yes, sir, yes, sir. One individual,

he was just a songwriter. He wasn't like a big gospel star, but he was very influential in a lot of other people's lives. It's pen. It's pen games. crazy. His name is B. Michael McKay. Michael. Yeah.

And then there's another guy who was a very kind of niche, a kind of underground gospel guy. His pin game was very romantic. Like he would write, like it felt like love letters to God the way he would flip it up. He was just mad crazy how he could do it. His name was Thomas Whitfield. Thomas Whitfield.

And then, of course, I got to throw on Andre Crouch. It's because he was just the OG. And then I would say after that, the Hawkins, It went in Walter. And then last, I would probably say for me, who influenced gospel meets the way that I saw young people coming to church, young people being lit

and turned in church, I would say shout out to the OG John Peeke. Wow. Make some noise for that. See, I don't know. I don't know everybody you mentioned, but I do know. Whenever that woman came to them awards, set up shop that Yolanda Adams.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She ain't even had to say nothing. Yeah. You could be in the corner of the trap, wherever. When that lady went up on there, you already knew this thing, the roof coming off.

This woman going to tear that thing down. Shut up. And let me ask you a question, right? Because everybody laughs at me when I tell him, I'm a Joel Lohsteen type of guy. You know, I love Joel Lollstein. He's my favorite.

The guy got me through so much. And everybody was like, y'all, you don't want to hear. You know, everybody, Even Montel Johnson, y'all, give me a shot, man. You know, just, as far as pastors, like, who moves you when you hear that message? You're just like, wow, these guys are incredible. They got a great message.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, there's some new hitters that are nice, nice. Young boy I follow on Instagram, I don't even know. Well, he's talking. Okay He's talking When you find out who he is I'll let you know

He's on He's on Instagram You gotta throw a flag I don't know who he is But he's on my If I went on my Instagram Right now When we finish

I want you Pull him up I'm gonna show you The man talking But But you don't look fancy Nothing young dude And man he's talking

There's like some young hit us And you know And these dudes I'm about to Shout out right now They good folk too They good folk They ain't about that woo-whoop.

They ain't about all that other foolishness. They ain't honk if you hear Jesus. All that. All that these. You haven't met a pastor, keep it to yourself that you felt like it was honk if you hear Jesus? I was raised around all of that. Dang. I was raised around all of that.

That's the shit I don't like. Like, I can't do that because I'm with God for real. I'm heading. Like, I'm, I am all in 100% of when I see something. And when I see something like, honk, if you hear, Jesus? Yeah. And I'm just like, this exists.

Does it exist? That's fortunate. You almost not. Yes. You almost caught a Jesus flat. What did I say? He's caught it. I caught it?

Yeah. Head in. Hey. What did he say? What did he almost say? I missed it. Now he, he know what he started to know. What did you say?

What's the name of the song? Don't listen to his guy. These guys is, you know, don't let's say. There's something inappropriate for the congregation. Oh. Well, let me jump back here. Let me jump back in. There's a couple of headers that I think are really, really good.

You can't. Oh, did I almost do it? You got to be all right. No, no. No, we're not going to give Kirkland. Never that. He's the coach. You got to let me know,

of what I said, what I almost said. God damn it. Let's throw the flag. We are flag. You got to flag. You got to throw it on the other side. Yeah, but you ain't heard. Ah, you want to throw it too.

I want to know what I. I got to do your boy. Y'all got to school me. What just that? Just when it's in the air, it's like infectious. When we just, uh, throw it. Oh, hey, yeah, yeah. Don't even talk.

Okay. Oh, you know. Listen. Listen. Oh, you mean like Paul. Kirk. Like Paul. Like Paul.

You know. Like Paul. Okay. Got you. I said that one in headed. We have fun with it. Got you. Got you.

Got you. No, no. It's not always that. Don't play balls. It's a lot of different things. Don't play pause. You just got to be from you. Like, yo, Kirk, the name of the single is.

This time. This time. time. Yo, I love that hook. That hook. All right. What Fat Joe would have did is how to repeat it that. Y'all play that song again on our way out of here.

This ain't that. Let me get a shout out to the past. Let me get a shot up to the past. Let me see. Philopheath and Mitchell, Charlie Dates, Darius Daniels, Keon Henderson, and Tony Evans.

That's right. Salute all you brothers and sisters. Shout out to her. This hook right here. Turn it. Shout out to Daniel. Shout out to Metina. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast?

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