Joe and Jada - Lil Cease on The Notorious B.I.G. legacy, Tupac, Junior M.A.F.I.A. & Lil' Kim

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Lil Cease. Joe and Jada talk to the Junior M.A.F.I.A. rapper about being mentored by The Notorious B.I.G., the East Coast vs. West Coast beef with Tupac and Biggie, missing out on meeting Michael Jackson, and the bond shared between himself, Biggie, and Lil’ Kim. The three New Yorkers reminisce on the 1990s hip hop era, talk about Biggie’s brief but legendary run at the top of the rap game, and Joe shares stories about rappers running from sharing a cypher with Big Pun, Biggie’s relationship with Jay-Z, KRS-One saving Joe’s life by taking him on tour, and the influence Heavy D had on him. 3:00 - New Mobb Deep & posthumous recordings 8:00 - Biggie writing for Lil Cease 10:00 - Story behind "Lil Cease crippled me" lyric 13:30 - What Cardi B has in common with Biggie 17:30 - Jada thought Lil Cease was way older than him 29:30 - Fat Joe witnessed Biggie record "Hypnotize" 34:15 - "Juicy" & how Biggie paved the lane for rappers 39:00 - Rappers were SCARED to rap with Big Pun 41:00 - RIP Voletta Wallace 44:15 - Biggie loved Los Angeles 46:00 - Imagine a Biggie x Big Pun song 54:00 - Cease missed out on meeting Michael Jackson 59:00 - Lil Cease's first sessions 1:01:00 - Biggie told Joe about Jay-Z 1:02:30 - Heavy D's influence 1:04:00 - Tupac & Biggie will live forever 1:05:30 - How KRS-One saved Joe's life 1:07:00 - Why Joe and Jada keep working 1:09:00 - Joe's toured ALL of Africa [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by hardrock.bet Unforgettable stays in Miami Beach start at Fontainebleau, where elegant guest rooms and suites offer refined comfort, breathtaking views, and world-class service. BOOK NOW: https://www.fontainebleau.com/miamibeach/special-offers/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm biased too. And he sound red, niggas. He will be smoking everything. Yo, yo, what up? This is Fad Joe the gangster. Boy, Jada Kiss, you know what it is. The Joe and Jada show live from the Fountain Blue. Found Blue, what's up?

Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for my brother from another mother. Same name. Thanks. Caesar Leo, Little See. Shot, y'all. Thank y'all, man. Thank you all for having one of the best shows in the America. right now, you know what I'm saying?

To salute to y'all, man. Yo, Seas, you're a legend, man. You're a fucking living legend on that couch right there. Thank you. Hear that from you. Hear that from you. Man, that's a lot for me.

No, that's a fact, though. And we go, we go so bad. You know, if y'all don't know, we was just shooting a podcast, the Seas came to hang out with us and we forced them to the couch. I said, fuck that. Let's get Seas and he's too legendary. We got to get them up in here.

But we was just listening to New Mar Dee. Right? And Prodigy sounds so good on it. I literally, I literally, I don't work hard enough to do this, but I literally thought of making the album in case if I died. No doubt. And just say, you know, 10 years after I died, put in my will, New Fat Joe album.

And they could do whoever want to do the beats to the shit, this, this, that. And imagine the fresh after you die, 10 years later, new fat Joe talking shit on there no doubt do you know how that shit I mean look we listening to a new Mardee

they got an album coming out with Prodigy got man new verses and it sounds great too it sounds good too like it you know it don't sound like nothing changed you don't sound like nothing transcend

but I mean these songs you got like that I'm sure you got verses you probably never put out that you got to send me the album for them to release after you die that's your family gonna get them I was, well, when you die, I didn't make...

That's how I look at it, you know what I mean? Like, I wish Bia I did more of that, you know what I'm saying? But Bia, I was too much writing songs for other shit. He was writing Junior Mafia songs, Kim songs, writing Puff songs. He was, you know, so he did a lot of albums that one-expan, you know, like that. Like that, like, you wish you had all that. It's crazy to me. I'd be hearing a lot of, like, Foxy Brown is the best.

You know, Foxy Brown's first feature was, um, I, shot you with LL, me, Keith Mary, and I remember Papa, keeping them, I already knew this girl was crazy. No doubt. But rumor has it, all of her verses, either J-Row or Nas wrote.

So this is like, is it true or not? I mean, I'm not. Let me say it like this, right? Teach his own bottom of a drone, man. No, I'm not saying like I'm talking. When did you even go?

Because every time I hear Foxy Brown, of course, that's the cadence and everything. I'm not saying nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that when y'all bring these up? I didn't understand. When the nigga cat or slagrant, you had thrown it right? I'm going to call it. Throw that out, man. You don't throw it out.

I wasn't here. Because what did he? When is this? How did we get here? No, I'm not doing that. I'm not really not doing it already. I'm just a guess I don't think

I'm saying nothing wrong I think you're saying nothing right even I think you should left out of law so let's leave it along C said

your big wrote for junior mafia big wrote for little Kim and I just went all the way to park slope and got

on Foxy I'm never picking on Foxy I'm not I'm not doing that so also Foxx he says she wrote our own shit.

She's saying, we don't know what she said. I don't know. That's it. We don't know. I don't know. No, I'm not trying to start. Listen, let me just say for me, right?

Stay out of here, man. Let me say this. Stay out of it. Stay out of it. Can I say something? Can I say something? I advise you. You got to say you got the right to remain something.

Okay. Anything you say on the podcast, kids and will be. be held against you. So I fucked that. You're saying You got the right thing and you can't afford that time.

I see, Brown, I do that show now. Where's my flag? You're not going to say that. In case he didn't, you just put it, you just do the alley-

No, I didn't think, I don't think there's nothing wrong with if, you know, you think what I'm saying is blasphemy. I think what I'm saying ain't nothing wrong.

I don't know if it's true or not. That's what I always heard. If somebody sat up and said, somebody wrote all of you, two people wrote, F. All of your verses, you'll be ready to fucking kill him. That ain't regular people. It's Jay Z and not. It's still. Okay.

Sorry, Fancy Brown, you write your own shit. I didn't know that. For years, I've been in hearing of something. I ain't going to throw it yet. What they said, can I throw it up? Okay. I'm going to keep it right here, yeah. It's a scary.

We're there, though. as an artist for me I had songs written that Biggie wrote for me but after Bigger passed I started to write my own round that's what I'm saying so sometimes

a history like that can change you can start out and somebody kind of introducing you or bringing you into something and once you figure it out you could kind of take

your own lane but that's how I was brought up into it I was a situation I was an opportunity or business deal you know big say hey listen you rock it with me little bro you know what

I'm gonna do something even better for you. I'm going to make sure you get right and I'm going to write you some songs now instead of you hype manning for me now. Now here you go and then from there. I expected him to pass at that time and for things to happen but I had to

you know, let me figure it out from here now and I've been very generous no doubt super. She shone that light on the universe ain't even the word. You hear no fucking songs they guys. You know what I'm saying? I used to say like the law. I used to say they liked a lot

Sissimilia. Let me fail you. The ultimate rush. Drugs, baby. Damn. But she got, not to say none, outside of that,

Kim came in as a writer before that. But, you know, when you got a team of people, everybody just kind of worked together. That's how I came up into it, you know, going up around that bad boy error, you know,

it's writers, you got called, you got faith, you got all these different people in there. There's lots, there's people in there. It's just energy going around. I've seen you super tight with Faye for the last couple of years.

You was always tight with her like that. It just wasn't no Instagram, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now we're sealed on Instagram. Ain't un-changed. It's been like that. Shout out the fake. Like, no, that's the thing.

It's just for real, like in real life. Like, you know, shout. I can't call her underrated because she's a superstar. Superstar, but her vocals are still underrated. No doubt. Like, I went to Kim Porter's funeral. And Faith sung in there. And I would just...

She started like Rayquan wedding. We were just all there, Rayquan wedding. Yeah, but she did her songs. In the funeral, she just was singing, like gospel or whatever. And I was just like, oh, my God. I always knew she was incredible. But that day, you know, I was brought to a different emotion by her. So we got little C's crippled me.

Why would Biggie say that? He crippled them. You know what's the problem with this guy? He don't realize we're telling the story to millions of people out there because he knows the story. He thinks everybody know the story. Yeah.

I don't know the story. You know a lot of shit, though. I do know the story, but I want you to tell the people. We know shit, shit. I don't know shit. Why would he say that? Why did he say that? Yeah, the wrongs we crashed.

You was driving? Yeah. You was... Little Seas dribbled me. Seas was you high? Nah. So was a judge. Black ice?

We had a fucked up car. Black ice is interesting. Nah, it wasn't. That wasn't in the Lex Land? No. The Lex Land had got fucked up the day before that. We got arrested the day before that. Somebody don't know.

Because you hit somebody with a bat, right? Y'all hit some... Big got locked up for hitting somebody with a bat. That wasn't that incident. But we was in the back of Brooklyn, me, him and Monty L, you know what I'm saying? And we were smoking. And just so happened, police just happened to pull up around there. And we put the weed out as soon as they, like, pull up.

You know what I'm saying? So they locked you up for weed. Yeah, just a blunt. This is, but we're talking about like a long time ago type of shit. Not now. Yeah, when they locked you up on blunt. They took us to the precinct, really just put us in there, took our name down, whatever. And when we came back outside, the Alexis land wasn't working.

So Un came and picked us up, took us to the crib. And then we went to get a loaned his car from the Lexus dealer place. And they gave us the aluminum van. And, yeah, aluminum van. Road to B.I. I'm not lying to you. They gave us an aluminum van. And I was like, yo, Bia, this ain't old Lexus car. And we had a, he's like, yo, chill.

We just go a low ride. We're chilling. And I just made one turn because the brakes was all fucked up. That shit was already, like, rubbing on the rotors. shit. We had a, it was the car they run around. They give you the bullshit car. Yeah, yeah. And he wanted to ride in that. And we rode and I

hit a little spin. And and we went across the shit. And we cried the shit. Yeah, across the shit on the other side. That north and south there is divided. So north of it's very dangerous.

I was north. And that shit, the car went south. We were on the other side. South. Oh, man, right into a railroad. dog, and that was it. He used to be as strong as ripple with me. To lose these crippled me. Yo, listen. You know, the one thing I learned from B.I.G.

Right. Was people always like to say that if you become successful, you changed. Now we know now enough that we're old enough to know that you got to have growth. You can't be thinking like you thought 20 years ago or 30 years ago. That's natural growth. but I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking about if you blow off

or some of the guys in your hood are looking at you, like you changed. They don't know if you changed. Yeah. Right? You just work and whatever. And I got this famous story.

I think you was there. And my second album had came out and I ain't see BIA in a while because to this day the closest thing I could call to like Biggie. is maybe Cardi B, meaning her success of how she just went fast.

Like, wow, five. That thing was number one, two, and three. Yeah, that's a fact. No, I'm with him with the Army fatigue and it was like, yo, you come and show tonight? I went to the show he had fucking gators on and salmon suits with, like, this shit was like, I'm sitting there in the passenger seat watching this shit.

I'm like, yo, this is fucking nuts. The niggas just shut up. One, two, and three. I never seen it. Yeah. No, yeah, but I never seen that again. I never seen it. And then to maybe Cardi B.,

how she was just on love of hip-hop, next thing you know, she's... Out of the world, yeah. Out of this world. Right, Vogue. You see what I'm saying? That's what Biggie did to me. I mean, you know, with Biggie,

he got a fucking army fatigue. He said, come and show tonight, give me the tickets. How come to show, a nigga got a fur coat over a salmon ship with gaiters, who the fuck is this? That's how fast it changed though

Like for real, am I not lying? No, you're not It's like, I'm like, yo, what the fuck Like, we're kids, man Like, I'm happy Niggas is younger doing that shit Like really like, you know Cators, man

Yeah, I was wearing those shit's at 15 Doing that type of shit Lennon, like really, I could Niggas can't say nothing to me What you're going or everybody I didn't did it already when I was 14 That's crazy Like that's why I could sit back right now

And just like, man I was supposed to sit on my back Alcadie in Miami sit in my crib and just chilling. Talks slow to Williams. You know what I'm saying?

And chilling at 14, man. You ain't have no Gators when you were 14. The first time. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, he's right.

He's right because you know I like to brag. Nope. The metteras at 14. Unless that was it in reverse. The Medtrap. Metcla. Man, the big fucking

Metcla. I had the meth. I just wanted to hear you say it. Nah. I did have Dapidan at 14. You can ask Dapidam, we should bring them on the show. But what I am going to say to you is the first time I did get Gators. I had $5,000 in my bank account.

It was Stito Niave's wedding. I go to God, 5,001. And I say, yo, I need that bigie shit. Man, I need that shit movie. He was like, you want that shit? I said, yeah. He said, boy, I said, sky blue. He said, I'm going to make you.

the hat, I'm going to die it like the suit. I'm going to get you the gaiters. That thing I might have to $4,950 for me. I never paid that much for anything. I went broke behind the sky blue suit and the gaiters. I could not even believe it. You know what happened that night too? They had a fucking riot.

They had a fight and I got blood all over the suit. I could never wore the suit again. It was like 4,900 and 500. The guy told me the joke the other day. He called me up, started laughing. Remember, you wanted that biggie shit, right? I was like, yo, God. You took my last, nigga, for the sky blue soup.

Like, are you serious? That was dead serious with the prices. That's why I made me lose weight a little. He was smoking, Nick. So you had to go to the department store? I spent millions with, I spent fucking millions with God. I spent his guy, too. Yeah, y'all spent millions.

as we got. Yeah. Bia did it. Yeah. Yeah, I spent millions we go. No, I was still, I was still,

I was still Carcannine champion, cone heads. Like, Bial was the one like, nigger. Don't this coozy. I was in these glasses. I used to think

they was mad older than us as they was driving. I used to go to D, like, how they, how they drive you? Give me a license. Give me a call with a license.

Him, what are you talking about? Mad little niggas over there They're all driving, right? We're supposed to be driving. But niggas was rich, bro. They were still small driving, man. I'm looking at that niggins my side.

We come in the studio every day. I see him every day. You come in there and say he just signed. I'm coming in with Bia. I want to drive. You coming in there with Bia. And John Branson. Keys to Alexis Lane.

Bro, I was there. I was there. This week. Yeah, I stand up in cars back then. I used to stand up in the web. In the MPV, I could stand up in it. Yeah, you could stand up. You know what?

I didn't realize he was that young. I knew he was young, but I ain't looking him in a giant. He's a big guy. Big committed a crime. Yeah, know what he did? He blew his woofers off as a little kid. You see what I'm saying? You thought he was a small-grown man.

he was a little kid he was drinking mowet his weed all and that his wufus is his wufus he got to let him

let him let him let him he wasn't supposed to be there he was supposed to be in school yeah let me tell you

something I'm outside being you hanging out with you I'm not talking no bullshit but damn I was about

to tell you a story but it's fun I like how this moving there's a little guy A little guy. Listen, there's a little guy. Not my carresh. Not my carish.

You're not the little guy that was on the war. That's a real little guy. You know, it's a real human being. I saw that. That is the fact. They want to call me cat for everything. Let me tell you who gets me mad. Lies, a little bigger.

He's like the big T.S. I proved it, my nigga. The whole T. I proved it. Two feet, man. Yo, I proved it. You did. you did.

Hello. Hello. What happened when America's Most wanted? The guy called you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I fought the guy on America's Most Wanted.

Did the guy, what happens? They called. It said it really happened. You know what I mean? And he appreciated you for not saying his name because there's no statute of limit. So I'm trying to imagine being a rapper

and you got to go fight a guy on America's Most Wanted one-on-one and he's caught decent. And you pull up You know how much courage that takes For a fucking rapper Imagine that guy would have whipped this shit out of me They would have been talking about me to this day

You remember when Joe got washed Draged out there, this, this, that But the moral to the story is When the BMF, when BMF Like BMF, I'm in Miami Okay And lean back's number one We're disgusted with the paper

Every club you go to, you see 20 guys, 30 guys with T.S. chains all over, Cadillac trucks all over this beach. This shit was out of control, right? So if you came to Miami, you knew that. When you came to Miami, you look up any given day. They in there, mad deep, right? So every night I'm going to the club, I see this little kid. He's 12 years old. I'm going to say his name now is with some other wild shit going on.

It's got nothing to do on when we're talking about. But the kid pee. that allegedly, you know, they're talking about with the Little Wayne bus or whatever, I knew him 12 years old. I would come to the club. He'd be with BMF every day with $2 million in diamonds. Little baby, like Little C's, might have had him. He ain't no rapper.

So every day I come in with like, yo, crack, you give me in the club. I say, yo, bro, I can't get you. It's fucking big leeks in the biggest can't get you in the club. I can't get you. Yeah. They're blowing out the bottles. They're buying everything. Yo, bro, I can't get you in.

But he was a cool little kid. He would come all the time. But one day I looked at him, right? And I said, one day, because I took him for granted. And one day, I never forget. I was over there in that club where we said, Callet, you used to DJ yesterday. He was cross the shoe.

I'll pull up in the phantom. He said, yo, you crack. And then for some reason, my eyes, you know how you go to the eye doctor and your shit fuzz out? It goes clear. And my shit fussed out and went clear. And I looked at them fucking diamonds on his neck. And he's in the stay in the party.

He's in the middle of the street by himself. I'm like, yo, this kid is like 12 years old with like $2 million in diamonds on. I was like, yo, no, he ain't scared. Nobody's looking at him. Nobody's this. That's a true story. That might be the youngest guy ever seen

with some shit on like that. He was everywhere. He was with him. What the fuck was he doing with them? He was 12 years old. Everywhere they went. He used to be with AI and he used to be with Floyd, too. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. So he'd been outside. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them histories like that, you'll get like, you know. He was outside of seven, man. Today's show is brought to you by a new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock, Bet. All right.

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20 Spanish girls come. Two o'clock they leave. 20 Chinese girls 3 o'clock 20 Jamaican girls come 4 o'clock And knock that out Yo

I didn't not know this shit Listen Biggie was a superstar before me I didn't know this shit exists I'm sitting up in there And I'm like Yo what the

This is what it's like When you number one, two and three I'm fat Joe What the fucking army fatigue fatigue still I'm sitting there I'm like yo this is yeah

you know no you see I cannot believe it that's I could I wouldn't just and they just

kept coming I was like yo this got oh faith calls up right he puts in the um

he does no no it's a cool story she calls up and he puts on the speaker, right? So he's laughing. You know, he's a comedian. You fat motherfucker, you this, this, that.

I know you in there. You, you with them ugly bitches, this and this. And this is when I knew. Biggie said, hold up. Why they got to be ugly bitches. They could be models. Yo. I wanted one out of the, I couldn't take it. Yo.

Yo, see, I couldn't take it, sees. I'm like, yo, you know, I thought he was like a super hero to me when I was with him and shit I've seen the success but what I'm saying would never change him. Right. So I, he just

exploded. So imagine you hanging out with a dude and the next thing you know he's the biggest superstar on the planet Earth. I don't see him for a couple of months. I put out my second out. I'm going to some shit, maybe Billboard magazine or something like that. Or the vibe. And I just

see a bunch of people around the truck. And as I get closer I see B-I-G I see you, I see Little Kim And I'm like, oh shit, that's big And you know what Fat Joe did Fat Joe, I'm embarrassed to tell you about for that split second

In my mind? You cry, but I'm telling you the truth And in my mind He became such a superstar set Oh, that nigga must have changed And right when I get to turn away You know how people say people change? He was like, yo crap,

yo crap! So I look at him as big so I walk over there. He starts telling little Kim and sees, yo, we've been bumping this album, right? You like it? He said, yo, you step your shit up. And I was like, that taught me that was such a life lesson.

That taught me, like, don't assume people change. They can still be the same people, no matter what success it is. It'd be your perspective of people that change. Without knowing, yeah, without judging. He, you know, you know him, right?

Oh, no. You know how he. One thing. about my nigger, like outside of all the street shit, he was a fan of the music. Right. So if you really was dope, that's all he cared about. He don't get a fuck. What you did outside?

He ain't got to be that real nigga, that lit nigga, nothing. You can rap. He fucks with you. Let me ask you something. He goes from this underground rapper. We see videos of him rhyming in the Brooklyn with the mic, rest of piece, Mr. C. shit.

No doubt. What he's doing? Claude. That's the piece. 50 grand. His first DJ. Man, the 40 gold brothers. What was they? The old gold brothers. The old gold brothers, man, OGB.

Yeah, big first DJ was 50 grand. He had a crew called the OGB, the old gold brothers. So he just passed away like three years ago. Him, Mr. C. And DJ Clark Kent. You know, all the first part of that. So what I'm trying to understand is, so he's this underground battle rapper. Because when I met Biggie, I was in the lyricist lounge giving out the flow

Joe vinyl to the DJ and he went up there in battle 10 they're going to say, yo Joe, I'm saying 10 so it don't sound cap. He tore the ball down. He had a backpack on. Puff was on stage doing the Puff dancing, hyped up, this, this, this. I'm looking at the cross

out of this vibe. He's going to be big. Right? So we became cool. What I'm saying is when they started making these records like rapping to juicy and all that, was that a puff bringing the arm to it, or was it big saying

I want to do these kind of records? He didn't want to do that. You know that? That was all puff. He didn't want to me. Thank God. I mean, those shit. Without question. He didn't want to do it, but he listened to it. Yeah.

No, but he listened to him. So originally, he didn't want because I believe that changed I don't believe I know that changed the whole hip-hop game. Like to this day, Fat Joe's trying to catch one of the, what's love, a dis, everybody you, and she was a model for you,

That's all that formula. No doubt. Right? When we flipped those shit and we had singing the hooks where R&B singers and all like, you know what I'm saying? That was a BIG thing. So it was like Puff brought those beats to the table. That was straight his.

He brought out to BIA because he knew he had somebody that was like the dopest writer in the world, though. That's my favorite rapper, right? So imagine you were in the position of power of you could sit behind a desk and you got the top farm Jordan player of this league. And you could tell him to do anything. Play point guard, play shooting guard, play forward, play center.

Yeah, and I can, Big did everything. Cadence. His cadence was at the controls, jars. If you want to talk about anything that compared the rap,

I think he's the one that covered every ground of the, how you want to do it. In the most, such a perfection, wait, in a shorter span like that.

He only had three years, though. He came out of 94, died of 97. We ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing. He did, though.

He, no, I've been enjoying, platform for Junior Mafia. They ain't a deal on earth. No, no, no. He paved the way for everybody. Fuck, Junior Mafia alone.

Everybody that got fired. Had to get the big verse to go. This. Everybody. Like on the hip-hop culture, whether you know it or not, you was influenced by the B-I-G. The B-R-G. Listen, though, that's a load of the grave with me, nigga. I'm, I'm, I'm, this is going to call me bias or whatever.

No, no. Listen, when it comes down to that, man. There's a right to be. No, I'm biased too. Not just because you come here. That's what I do. That's what I do. Man, they're going to tell my man nothing.

No, I'm biased too. He didn't get here to have 20, 30 year run like anybody else did. I'm biased too. And he sounds like you're smoking niggas. He would be smoking everything right now. If he was here, everything that he left would still be here right now. So me as a fan from outside. Like, similar to this guy.

And I'm not just saying because him, I'm tired of this guy. Right. Here's my business part. but I'm tired of bitch my brother. And you're my brother. Yeah, but he's very similar. Right.

With big, every verse he would drop, whether it's on 112, whether it's with Char, whether he never had a whack verse ever, though. And you would hear the shit, and every time he pulled out a new verse, we'd be like,

you know, what he'd say now. You know, KISS got that impact, too. That's why top five did a lot. But, like, statement he made. He created that for him because he is that. Top 5 dead or alive, he is that. But outside of being that, he's a top 5

realist nigga in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there, got pictures with my mom. I performed there as uncle parties and shit. I performed to his daughter's 316. He come to my hood every day and come hang out with me there on my birthday, my mother's birthday, sister's birthday. Nigger's see my

little nephew, give my little nephew a couple of hours. Play basketball. Like, no, he's a that's what makes you that too. Outside The rap is also about how you carry yourself. You ain't got to be the best shit in the world lyrically, but you could, that makes you that too about how you carry yourself. How you maintain, how you keep your integrity

and your morals is about everything. You know what I'm saying? So how was it out of that? Appreciate that, Lee. My God. It was very nice gesture. Tell me? Me and his mom's got the same name.

His mom's and mama. You know what I'm saying? Like, how coincidental is that here? Jim and I was like my boy. I see y'all be tight for you. years. Yeah, I've seen a lot of people who turn their back on them.

Out of doubt. After the untimely demise of BIA, you know what I mean? There's always three sides to every story, but if people, you hear how you talk about me and big and y'all getting tight and all that, and how could you say big as your man and then shit on the league? So I'm mean?

Do you talk to the old guy? No, not. I'm in an example. I've kept it 1,000% without Seas, Little Kim, all of them. I never understood how Little Kim had beef, and dudes wasn't standing by her side and all that. I never understood it because the way I've always seen Little Seats and Little Kim is with Biggie Smalls.

No doubt. Now, if Biggie Smalls is king of New York, he's Frank White, and I used to see it's the same shit yo let me tell you something I'm not comparing the apples and oranges but same thing with pun to come

and when he was rapping nobody wanted to rap next to him nobody want to smoke with him nobody want to cypher with him nobody wanted this nobody wanted that and then he died nobody wanted to mention him no top five no top ten

no nothing but when he was here y'all was scared of death of him what he was doing lyrically of your dudes I remember pun calling me damn near crying. They won't let me upstairs to the cipher. Remember how 97 used to put people on cipher? Everybody upstairs was like, no.

They're doing the cipher. He's calling the hotline, funk flex. I don't want to say the rappers up there. They were like, no. Do not let him upstairs. They did not want him to come up in there. They're in the middle. But he passed.

Pretty much, if it ain't for us, we can't defend his legacy. No doubt. You guys seem to not mention how nice he was. Right? So it's the same thing. When I met you and I met Little Kim, I'm like, yo, I'm at her with the king.

Like, how could I let somebody volley up or C's or anything like that? Like, I'm not fake. That's love, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be your old pig. This is your man. Then when something happened to him, I switch up on you. you know what I'm saying

shout out to his moms I felt like we lost moms and hip hop at least New York I was my girl and I can't even tell the stories

but you know because they always say a lot but you know to love you know that too much you know what she loved she showed you he was on her gram

kisses on her grab line two days she don't fuck with you she don't fuck with you she don't if she don't rock with you she'll

Two days. But that's the last, though, but she passed. Yeah. Not the day she passed the day before. She was talking about me to Wayne Burroughs and the end home girl. She called me and was like, yo, Mama Wallace was just asking about you this and this and that and talk about you a good guy. I love Mama Wallace. I just felt like she was the mom of hip-hop.

And that's how I felt. That's that. You know what I'm saying? And so. She did things the right way. She did it the right way. And, you know. she made sure everything was set up like really like she took over with big left behind

she really took it over and put it in perspective man you know what I'm saying his kids is super straight that's what and that's what matter right and so we care he are still able to take care his family nigga after 30 years he's still from the grave still make sure his kids straight to even until his day his mom's left he made sure that's crazy thing was good and that's something you're saying generation of wealth yeah you know what That's what we're talking about, generational wealth. I mean, I always felt like, you know, look, I don't wish nothing on me, but I always felt like...

I never heard of knock on steel. Not my point is, I didn't know still, man. Yeah, you know, this guy's clever. The point is, I always felt like I would be happy if, God forbid, happened to me, and my family was straight. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's the big, that, that's what it is. You know what I'm saying?

You see these mafia dudes, they born up in crime and they know sooner or later somebody's either going to knock them off or they're going to jail forever, but their family is straight in the mansion forever. They own the fucking construction businesses and this. They do. So you just basically, it's like you're a warrior with a shield and a fucking swore. And you go out there to make sure. them kids are straight forever.

Yeah. Same thing with you, same thing with me. That's the dream. Biggie actually did it. That's fucking amazing. 30 years later, he's still taking care of his family. And that's, you know what I mean? But you see that generational type of thing

and us peers from our era. Like, you see that in you. Yeah, that was on to our era. We appreciate stuff like that, like making sure our kids are straight. We don't want our kids to, or nieces, nephews, to grow up and go through the shit. that we actually went through.

Now, I don't want them to go to no tunnel. I don't want my nephew to do that. Go play basketball. Go to that tunnel, the Master Square Garden. You know, go to that tunnel in the barclays. Like, I went through that tunnel before, the other tunnel. When we was really outside, but when you get to, you know, to see his kids do that, they ain't had to grow up like how I grew up.

So I go on vacations with them. Like, we go on trips. You don't, we don't go to the block. We don't go to the block. We don't go to the hood. When I be hanging out with his kids, we see no, like, when being, you know, in the middle of all that B from B was going to...

I don't want to elaborate on wax shit, but when we... Like, I think everybody knew he shouldn't be in L.A. at that time, right? Yeah. Did you feel like that? I was too young to feel that way. I've seen him.

He was smiling from even... No, I get it, but we know he was smiling. He went out there. Y'all is happy. Like, he was happy to be out there. Yeah, he was happy. He was happier than over-end. If you asked me, he was to be a way.

He was in a whole, I don't know how to not tell people that, right? Well, people are like, you know, why y'all was out there? Because he wanted to be there. That's what he wanted to be. To this day, I stand on that. Like, you know, bro, he wanted to, that's where he enjoyed it. He wanted to chill there. That's where he wanted to vibe at.

I don't know. I don't know how to say up to somebody about your, why he wanted. He wanted to be there. He wanted to be there. He was his own man. He was comfortable there. And he loved LA. So he wanted to be there.

I'm on front line with him. Okay, cool. we leave them all? No, we ain't leaving them all. We're going to stay here another week. Cool, we're here. All right. This is where he wanted to be.

He called the shots. It was his situation. He felt good about being there. You know what I'm saying? He felt like that place was a safe place for him. Not even being safe. He just wanted to be somewhere where he wanted to be. He didn't give a fuck.

Really? We got to anybody. He's 24 years old, though. We're older now. We all turn in 40s, 45s, and not 50s. He was 24. You know what I'm saying? We were still kids.

Niggas ain't know nobody. He died a baby. They both died a baby. Like, they both 20-something. Like, kids, you know what I'm saying? I saw a fun before he passed. I did the show, and I was in a show on somewhere like North Carolina or something

where he was in the... Lose and wait. And I was here. We were signed to the same label. So I come in my room, they're like, you got some people in your room. Before I got to my... Shit, who in the room?

Now, I got D-Rock. We got a bunch of aggressive-ass niggas and then we come in there that's fun sitting in a seat. What's up? Yeah, what's up? What's up, bro? He loves it, y'all.

He loves it. Yeah, hell yeah, man. All my big is fun for sure, though. He had crazy love for big. I think that's one of the people he never got to rock with that he really, really would have loved to rock with.

No doubt. And, you know. Imagine a big and fun song. Imagine that. Yeah. It was crazy. Yeah. Big her fire water.

He heard fire water. He said, yo, your man that spit with you with dead nice, this and this and that. He heard that shit. I wish that for the half shit.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that's a shit I'd be having to live with like shit like that. Like, damn, man, if dog was here to,

just the way like, yeah, do shit. He would have loved him. Who is he ever smoke some of these shit? I'm smoking. I'm smoking.

You smoking some good shit? Yeah, he didn't get a chance he missed it. He didn't get to smoke. He was smoking that shit in Calais. He was smoking that shit in Calais. He called chronic.

Now, he caught, he caught shit in Cal. He called chronic. Yeah, he caught Bradshaw. But he ain't catch the way of that. He didn't catch this right now. Right. If he wasn't able to catch that shit. He ain't cast that.

Yo, yo, yo, you can't wait to see him again. Yo, pull up. You got some? Bring some to the brother. Up there when the ounce were not going to see. He ain't. He ain't come with that Bobby Pluto. You know how anybody brought it up there for?

Oh, he wanted to do. Yeah, yeah. sure you hear something now. Do you believe, let me ask you a question, which might be crazy, but it's real, right? You believe when you died, you go to heaven and they're waiting for you and Biggie will be there waiting for you?

My, man. I don't think in that way. I think it's a life after. I do think that. Right now, I need you out of play Whitney Hughes' song. You know, you know, I can't. I don't know which one, though.

I believe the children are on a few. No, not that. Let me ask you questions. There's no one. That's why you got a line. You know, they don't want that. I'm every one. Let me tell you something.

Let me tell you. So you don't believe when you pass the way you go to see your people? I don't believe it happens like the way you think, like TV. It's a gay thing. And I don't think it's a day. Sammy Davis, Jr. Sunday. It's like the Pock video.

I don't think when you guys... Crack about to pull up here right there. Yeah. Joe Crack. You're white suits on. Joe Crack. Praise. Joe Crack praise.

Joe Crack plays. That is like that. And I want to see my nigga Raoul. I want to see my mother and father. I want to see Biggie. I want to see everybody. You know what I'm saying? So if I believe in heaven and I believe in God, I believe that we're going to see him.

And so they call me crazy. You call me crazy. Joe, whatever the fuck you want. but I believe I'm praying so much that it's like that my nigga Tom Montana

my best friend ever in history I wish I could have that conversation you did it nigga we was watching you they was coming up here saying I want that

you know what I'm saying my brother he's praying for that I know I'm just saying my brother Tom Montana got killed before I even put out a single but he knew

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You met some, oh, y'all was rocking with fucking Michael Jackson. Was you there for that? I was, dude I wasn't in the session, though Did you see him? Michael? Yes. Nah, I see Mike, man.

That's the one time he violated me, bro. Bigel or Michael? No, Bia. When he went to do the song with Mike, right, he was like, you listen, bro. Just rolled me up a few. I rolled him off some blunts.

I wanted to go do this first for Mike. So I'm thinking I'm still like coming there with him, right? He's like, yo. Nah, bro, stay here. I don't trust them with the kids he was joking now go

the first see yeah see yeah yeah yeah so

I sat in the whip why he went and then the verse for Michael came back hour later verse done check

goes out yeah I ain't left you on the G14 G14 super Classified Classified

What's the G14? What's the G14? He left him in a whip. Yeah, the man told him, yo. Classified. He just said, fallback. I'm going to rock with Michael. That ain't something you just say for.

That ain't just a fallback. I wouldn't go. Do. 14, 15. No, it's been, it's been. I want to meet Michael. I want to meet Michael Jackson. His meetings, it's people.

Beyonce says, look, one of my most trusted people on the planet Earth is Pistow P. You see him over there. That's people Pistol P. Have it met. People I'm tight with that will call me their brother, their family, they this, they that. The Pistopee they met. There's people I go in there by myself. Go talk to them, have a conversation with them, and they come back.

It's certain places you just can't. bring nobody. So you go up in there and you just, unfortunately, I get that. I get that. Leo. No, Pistu's like Leo.

He's my brother. I love him to death. I take him anywhere. I die with him. And there's certain places I got to be like, yo, gosh, I see y'all a little later. I got to walk over here.

That's something. That's me. I was on punk. They did that to you on punk? Yeah, and he told me don't bring nobody. That's why you was in the whip. So by yourself, that doesn't make sense to that.

And you're weird, too. I ain't even see that shit, but let me tell you. They try to punk me. They never could punk me because my guys wouldn't sell me out, but they wanted to do a, they went to Joe Bentley because he used to rent me to Bentley's and all that, and they told him they want to put a fake dead body in the Trump. Pull me over and act like I got a dead body in the trunk.

Oh, punk, bro. That was the narrative for Fat Joe. Open the trunk, and it's a dead body in there. and Joe Bentley wouldn't sell me out. He was like, yo, I can't do that. I'm not. That's a heart attack. Huh?

Well, it's not a heart attack. I would have did what I do now. Yo, I don't know nothing. I got a lawyer. Swear to God, what would have happened on that camera was like, yo, I don't know nothing about that. Yo, I got a lawyer. C.J. C.J. Cuncelor.

Like, that's it. That's what I would have did. That's all they would have caught on video. But they wouldn't sell me out. They tried Raoul. They tried Joe Penley. They tried like three people. And everybody's like,

yo, you crazy, man. I ain't setting Joe up with that shit. Like, Joe ain't doing it. He ain't going to go for it. They told him, yo, you ain't punking him. He ain't. He's not going to go for it. Like, you're wasting your time.

And it's true. I swear to God, if they did it now, somebody put a dead body in my truck. I'd be like, yo, I got a lawyer, man. Shit. I ain't saying nothing. I ain't got to get yourself. Nobody about.

No. You making that sound real nice. Oh, my mother. You know, my mother taught me, let me say something. My mother taught me when we didn't have a fucking dollar. We didn't even have a dollar. How about we never had a lawyer? My mom's who told me in the project show, they grab you.

I told my daughter and my son this up one million times. They ever grab you anything on earth? Just tell them you got a lawyer. You have to tell them you got a lawyer. That eliminates everything else. No doubt. it's nothing really to talk about it's like, yo, what you

want me to do? Yo, this is terrible, but what you want me? You think I'm going to try to convince him? I don't know. There's nothing you can do with call a lawyer. It's like, I can't convince you

I didn't put that body in this chunk or what I'm fucked or I'm not. Call the lawyer. That's it. That was it. They tried to punk me. They try. They definitely

try to pump me. So that Michael, you wasn't there for Michael Jackson, but what was you there for that you coming from Brooklyn young kid and you was like you're really doing this

like this is crazy what is it I mean I would say that like our first session like you know when we first got on I knew it was studio yeah

like just that was a big moment I mean you know not thinking you know you think you're just going all right Bia's your boy that's family that's the big bro and he on

he came out 94 we was out 95 like that's how fast she, we was in the studio. That's absolutely, within a year. That's absolutely impossible to do, too. You know what I'm saying?

By the one. So that was like that. You're becoming a legend and then you're putting somebody else on and working for them and putting their music out of year. That's like, it's beyond unheard of.

He came out in 1994. We came out in August, 1995, like a little bit a year later. And not just, you know, Kim, me, as a director, like,

nah, that was his, that's what he was doing. That's 24 years old, 22. You create the process before he died. He had the clothing line already. What was it? Brooklyn men. That shit was fly, too.

Yeah, you know, so he was, we were just, well, he just, you know. I just said that, what I think most about Biggie is just knowing him and seeing, I think he would have been a used entrepreneur like a Jay Z is. Oh, yeah. You know, he was just. Big poplar diners. Yeah. He dropped a restaurant.

These is already, he was already doing with people, like, with everybody's... No, I can tell you he was going to do it. That just... The commission album. He was already creating things in his head, like, all right, outside the mafia.

Got a commission thing I want to do. He told me about Jay Z. I had a time. Yeah, dog. He was like, yo, Joe, I say, Yo, B, come to my birthday party. I think I had a fucking China club or something. He was like, yo, I might slide by.

But this dude, he's crazy nights. His name is Jay Z. It's my man. I was like, where? He was like, yo, I'm going to come by with Jay Z. He didn't come. But he definitely told me about Jay Z. Like, he was like, yo, that was my man, Jay Z.

He's dead nice. He was talking like that. He's dead nice. He's going to blow this to stack. But they never came. But that was the time, man, the whole time. We was a fan of the music, though. You know, all of us at that time, it was just like,

we was really doing so shit to change our lives. Like, you know what I mean? So we really enjoy being around each other, fucking with each other. It was dope to go to the Bronx. It was dope to go to the Yonkers and hang out. And, you know, the big die, we money, power, respect.

We always love Big Papa, but he, like, we build something from that. Like, just from that point on, it's like, when Big Die, it made us all like it's, like, people from home. No, we're going to keep it tight. Yeah, you know, that's how I feel, right?

And that's why whenever you see me jumping out, whether it's a big birthday, big anniversary, we bring everything. I got to jump. jump out. You sure. I got to post that shit up. I got to jump anything.

Because I got to let them know, yo, we ain't forgetting B-I-G. Like, not while I'm alive, not while I'm here. We're not forgetting, you know,

the man who inspired us to become who we are. You know what I'm saying? Like, I still to this day, and I shouted out the other day. What was it?

With Ray and, um, Ray and I have, like, like Heavy D. Like Heavy D gave me the confidence That's a family earning. Yeah.

Money earning my confidence. He gave him confidence. No Evidy, no B-I-G. I'm telling you. You know, heavy D was the fly. To this day, right? Because he don't get that. He don't.

He don't get that. To this day, I throw that shit on. I'm telling it. To this day, I might have some fly, yellow, brick, Owen, leather shit on. And then I look in Instagram, and I see it be like, yo, 1991.

one, nigga, I ever have the same shit on 30 years ago. I'm like, yo, I still ain't catch him. Like, I can't beat Heavy Bees fly. He was just so fucking fly as a big man. Same thing with B.R. B.I. was like super fly. Oh, that was his homework, though. He got that from him too, though. Like, that's where he...

Oh, no. It's heavy. You know what I'm saying? We know that. Like, that's... You know, one of the things, you know, I would say my wife... My wife is far from a goopie, but one of the things... thing she thanks me for is for introducing that the B-I-G. She thanks

me. Yo, man, thank you for letting me meet Biggie. You know, that's like, you know, Biggie, you know, we got to talk Biggie, we always got to talk Chupac. These two guys right, are like, they're going to live

forever, a thousand years from now. They're going to live... Longer than us. Yeah, they martyrs for this whole thing. For this whole thing. Let me tell you something. And a lot of people don't get it fucked up. Everybody has something to do with hip hop. We can go cool, her, grandmasters, Flash, band by everything.

But 500 years from now, hip hop is long gone, but they analyze it. Like, we're looking at the fucking pyramids and all. It's 500 years. And hip hop culture comes up, they're going to talk about Biggie and Tupah. No doubt. There's no way around. they're going to be doing fucking seminars and fucking college

like right now they definitely got Biggie classes, Tupac classes like those are the two faces of hip hop music after that then you go down break down with whoever else you everybody played their part in hip hop I don't want nobody be watching this

from the ATL off the West Coast but Scholar Rock is like one of the first rapper rapper but he's not going to be talked about it 500 years killed like streetwise No, Scala Rock broke my heart, bro, I'm BDP. But that's enough that we, what, see, people don't know about it. Oh, I'm fucking BDP, but Enquas don't play, Bobby.

I'm BDP. I'm BDP. You talk about BIG. One time I was struggling after Flojo, because you think you're good as your last hit. Flojo can be number one, you hustling getting checks. When that shit slowed down two years later, I never forget my idol, care of this money came to my. apartment in the Thrasnack.

He's like, Joe, how are you doing? I was fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Because once I left the drug game, it was all about rap. So I had to make my money rap. So he came to see me. And you took me sitting in a hollum. He sat down in the city.

He said, he said, you know, Chris took in the city. The IRS. And he said, you say, yo, what's up? You're fucked up. I'm like, yo, I'm fucked up. He said, you come with me. You hype it up. You do flow, Joe, and I'm going to throw you a little 2500.

$2,500 was like $10,000 back to the pay five. So he took me for a couple of months to hype him up. I was this hype man, and I get the do flow, Joe. And you know who else was there with, wake up in the one that got this fucking fire when it is, and then, what, channel live, right? All I do is smoke, man. And, yo, whenever that 2,500 came through,

save my life. $2,500, my rent was $500. I got the one-one, one bedroom, one bath. Like, yeah, I got the one-on-one. My rent was $5,500. I'm like, yo, we say he would come and be like, yo, what's up? We're going to go to Philly.

Yo, hype me up. This, we're going to Atlantic City. We're going to Boston. Ipe me up. And so he fed me, you know, during that time. But, you know, we know, we had hard times and hip-up sometimes it's great. Sometimes it's slow up.

That's why you say all the time, you know, we just got to keep working. and we just can't stop. Even if we don't need it, we got to keep going and going and going and going. I'm going to Mongolia next week. Mongolia! I got to get the bag,

well, Mongolia? I got to fly to China than to Mongolia. You know how real that is? I tried my best. I said, no, I ain't doing it, nah. Mongolia, I love you. Thank you for the opportunity. I was like, nah.

No way I'm going. This and this. that. You used to fly. You fly now, right? Yeah, but I don't even... No, I don't want to do it. You know, I didn't want to do it. Listen, I didn't want no more than that. 13. Something I was. Yeah, you wouldn't have done. That shit. That shit. Got to go, got to stop this.

Then you got to fly number nine to China, then another two to all Mongola. But what I'm trying to tell you is that rich players. Oh, yes, you are getting on that fucking flight. I see, yo, where's? He was like, Nick, we get in that bag, bro. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you got to do that. I don't really need it.

I really don't really have to go, brother. I'm being honest with you. But you got to do it before you need it. You got to work when you don't need it. So you don't need it. So you don't have to do it. It's the only way to do it. There's a choice at that point.

Once you're already going to put it in already, you're like, all right, course. I ain't like how to sound it just now. And I don't like saying. Whoa. I don't like saying that. But once you put work, you put your work of head, you can do less is what I mean by that.

No, no, I could do it. I don't really have to go. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to get the bag. Because I got to go get that. There's no justification when it's going in his bag getting time. I don't care where it's that. Mongolia is, I'm no.

That's what I said. People used to tell me at one time, Fadjo, toured the whole Africa Davido you want to throw your hat or something Davido so I went to Africa so much and Davido when I met him at an all-star game

you was there too at that all-star game he was like yo you was in my village 10 times when I was a kid I watched you in my village in Africa you know what I'm saying so I would go to Africa to tour and other artists and be like yo you're going to Africa

and I'd be like yo my man got killed over $1 in the dice game in the Bronx. He ass bet it. They stabbed him in his heart and he died. How much more dangerous could it be in fucking Africa? Where in my projects, I know guys that died for $1. Oh, I got to go get the bag. We're going to see if Mongolian beef paws out there is the good shit.

You know what I'm saying? We're going out there. We're going to see, right? Nah B. I wouldn't get on a plane no more than 13 hours. Bia at a limit? He had a limit?

We ain't go. We had, we had bookers in Japan in Alaska. He's not getting, he's like, I'm not doing that. Smart guy.

Anything 12 hours over, he ain't fucking with it. I got to break it up. I go to Dubai for a little 12, 13 hours, stay one day, and then fly to China another 8, 9,

And then take the two You're rich man Go fuck yourself on your birthday, man Get the fuck out of here Got me going to fucking Fucking move Shut the fuck out of here Man

That's a flag Oh man This ain't that That ain't this It's cracking kiss Bastits No doubt man Shout out to the Fumbleau

Shout out to our gosh My brother, Caesar Leo Man, I appreciate y'all for having me, man Whenever he's around, he's going to be popping in and out, you know what I mean? Y'all two are my big brothers in the business. He's like the cousin to the show. No doubt.

Yeah, he's supposed to be like brother man just pops up with my mom. Well, I'm in for the fifth floor, man. Yeah, but that's what the fuck happened. You're right over here chilling. I say, oh, no, we got to get seasoned this motherfucker. Yo, man, shout out to B.I.G. Shout to me.

I got an album coming out, heart of the city. A documentary call from a young G's perspective. Wow. You know what I'm going to keep it authentic I'm gonna keep on representing for B-I-G. You know, it's coach who shit here, no flag. Shout out to the homie D-R-R-D-R-R-P, shout out to D-R-R-P, shout out to D-R-P, the Chief Del Vette,

R-R-Peter, Mr. Bristown, you know what I'm saying, Mr. C, 50 grand. Shout out banging Blake, man. Banging Blake, that's my fear. Nino Brown, shout to the whole team, man. We got to say, Bill Kim. Hawkeburn. No.

I love you, Kim, I love you, Kim. Anybody that's ex-Shall my man, Lance. You know what I'm saying? God, who else are from the pull-up bars over there? There's a bunch of them over here. You're calling out the whole pull-up bar. Come on. All-buck-call-in-out-all-thead's 11.

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