Joe and Jada - Monie Love on Queen Latifah's genius, Cardi B's star power & Fat Joe's Native Tongues connection

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by the legend Monie Love. Monie tells Joe and Jada about the genius Queen Latifah displayed on their "Ladies First" collaboration, why she was amazed when "Monie In The Middle" took off the way it did, the link between Joe and the legendary Native Tongues crew, what sets Cardi B apart from her contemporaries, and the radio wars between Hot 97 and Power 105.1. Joe and Monie also break down why there couldn't be any beef between them after Joe's comments about Monie's career in the De La Soul episode. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Moni in the middle. Really in the middle. Yeah, yeah. What up, y'all? This is Joe Cracked at Dawn. Know who it is your boy, Jada? This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic.

That's right. Today is very special. Not only do we have an iconic, legendary icon of the culture. You have one of my friends. You have somebody that contacted me to get on the show. But she's here because she's a legend. She was going to be here regardless of the fact that my business partner over here owes her an apology. Because he was, you know.

He might have to have. It might have been the expensive fur rubbing against something or, you know, it might have just had a little brain freeze at the moment. It happens to the best of them. But, you know, we're going to get into that before we get into a deep conversation. But ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our to guest today. Mooney Law! Yo, that's legendary introduction.

You like that. that, right, Moni? Reserve that, Moni. Yo! And where she at? In the middle. No, and y'all did that deliberately, too. Yeah, yeah, I did it.

I proved it all. You guys did that deliberately. You're the first artist to be in the middle. I said, y'all, come on. I was getting ready to sit over there, and Joe was like, uh-uh, uh-uh, right here. I like you. You know, like being there.

You made the middle famous. Can I please tell you, I had no intention of it becoming a thing within itself when I wrote that song. It felt good. The music was talking to me. It told me to write that what I wrote. Came up with the hook. It felt good. But I really didn't think that it was going to grow legs of its own. I mean, surpassing. You go to your kid's school, the teacher be like, we're going to put her in the middle. Like you're like, you're tired of that. Yeah, you should have patent. You're supposed to get some money off the middle of everything. Like, honestly, I mean. The middle of the mall, the middle of anything.

Besides the song doing well And it was the first song that I was up for a Grammy for Besides any of that I didn't know that years later People would see me and they wouldn't necessarily say That's Moni Love They will say that's Moni in the middle Like it grew its own leg

She's like the female slick Rick Mixed with Dana Dayne How could you still Got such a strong accent after being here, you've seen everything in here. I'm that strong. It's not that strong.

One of my questions I was going to ask, you know, when I go to Puerto Rico, there's some Puerto Ricans that look at me like the fake Puerto Rican. They'd be like, yo, you ain't Puerto Rican because I didn't grow up there. I wasn't born there. Like, are you more considered American

in London or are they like she's from here? Okay, so that's a really interesting question. At this point, I'm 55 now. Right? Excellent. So at this point in my life, I've actually spent more time in the United States than I have in the country of my birth. Because I left England when I was 17 years old.

I was born there. I did all my schooling there. I grew up there pretty much. You know what I mean? I came here after I got a record deal. I got a record deal at 16. And then I came here when I was like 17. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Did you with Slickwick? Because Slick Rick grew up in the Bronx. I think he might have came even younger than you. He came when he was a toddler. He came. He must have came when he was like four or five or something like that because we didn't even in England. We developed our own scene based on what was happening in the United States at the time. We watched wild style, you know, movies. We watched break dance. We watched Beach Street. We were enthralled and totally absorbed into the culture to the point where we created our. own pseudo hip hop scene in England and all the surrounding areas and then all the way in all the countries in Europe. That's how much in love with the culture that came from the United States that we were. So we didn't even know that we could embrace Slick Rick as our own when we were listening to Slick Rick on the radio. We didn't realize. And then we started to realize, oh, wow, he's originally from here, as in the UK. And then we realized, you know, oh, he's one of us.

But he must have moved to the United States when he was five or something like that. because it's not like he grew up and we came to know of Slick Rick in England before coming to America. Growing up in London, right? Because we have guests all the time, legends and all that. Everybody's story is similar but unique.

Right? So how the hell does somebody discover Monelly Love in England and give her a record deal at 16 and you come over here and then it pops off. So the first record deal that I signed was in England.

Like I said, we fell in love with the culture from watching movies and also getting like 10th generation cassette tapes of radio shows recorded. You know what I'm saying? Like we would listen to Red Alert and stuff like that, but it would sound like eggs and bacon cooking when we're listening to it because it's like been dubbed a good 15 times. You know what I mean? And so we fell in love with the culture.

We created our own scene. And then we started putting on our own little shows in England as young, young teenagers. you know, and then at the same time, it was blowing up in the United States. So record companies in England started to see what was happening in England, and they wanted to sign their own artists also. So a lot of us were getting record deals in England, you know, so I got my first record deal with Chrysalis Records, which was later swallowed by EMI Records.

But Chrysalis Records is where I had my original deal, and that was at 16 years old. My parents had to sign my recording contract. And you know my dad. Yeah. Okay? You met my dad at the Palladium, right, in New York. It's just a whole other story I'll tell you, right?

Yeah. But so my Jamaican Rastafarian father looked at this contract and was like, I wear this. And was, I mean, nah, sign this. I wear this. What kind of contract is this? Like, my dad was not impressed. It took some going back and forth with another returney to straighten out some stuff that my dad

was looking at before my father's... In those days, nothing was straight. That contract, it was terrible. It was terrible. They robbed everybody at the bank. It was terrible. And then it looked like. Everybody.

Nobody did not get robbed. Every, I could break down Missy Elliott. I could break down. Charlie Riley got robbed and he went and robbed them over there. Everybody got robbed and robbed and robbed and robbed. Robbiz got robbed. Who? Rob Bates.

Did he? Did he? I don't know. I never said Rob Base. Yeah, no, I just actually... Well, you know, I used to be on the 132nd and the Heat from the Projects right there. What's that, Washington Projects?

On the 132nd of Park Avenue, Rob Bass is from there. Okay. No, Rob Bass is from Harlem, man. Through Tom Fallon. 132nd, bro. I used to see Rob Base where he was, like, the biggest in the world. Hallam, man.

Hallam, bro. The Rob Bass is you from Oliver. Don't do that. Yeah. Yo, kiss, man, we in fucking London. You sidetrack us to haul them with 12. How we get to haul them from little sidetrack? Yeah, fuck too much.

How do you come over here and you connect with the legendary native tongues and did that happen? How did you get into that crew right there? So Dave Klein that used to work for Def Jam, God rest his soul, was like an ambassador and used to bring artists from the United States to England and the Surveld. surrounding European countries to do mini tours. And he bought over Queen Latifah and the Jungle Brothers on one particular tour. It was Queen Latifah, the Jungle Brothers, Cheer Robsian, True Mathematics. They all came over to do a mini tour. They went to Germany first.

And then on a tour bus, on a ferry, came over to London and then was doing shows in London. I was at one of those shows. And I had built like a reputation for myself in London. You know, there's this girl coming up. She's from South London. She's dope, blah, blah, blah. And I was at this show. So the guy that run the club introduced me to Dave Klein.

And then Dave Klein, who was with Latifah and Jungle Brothers and stuff. And Dave Klein introduced me to Jungle Brothers, Queen Latifah, the other groups that were there. And that's when me and Latifah first met. And that's when me and the Jungle Brothers first met. And the Jungle Brothers tribe called Quest and De La Soa are the three head groups of the native tongues. So whatever they say is going to happen as far as native tongues and who, who's going to be a part of it, that's what goes. And from me in Africa and rhyming to Latifah, rhyming to Africa,

them getting the gist of who I am and that I was indeed dope. And so then they were like, yeah, she's going to be down. We're going to put her down. And it was during that trip that Latifah was like, we're going to do a song together at some point. And then it was eight months later that me and Latifah recorded ladies first at PowerPlay Studios in Queens. What does ladies first mean to you? For me, when we did ladies first, it was, I'm here.

I'm rhyming on this. This is dope and I'm going to spit and it's going to be dope. That's what it was for me. Latifah had a bigger plan when she invited me to do ladies first. She had a bigger plan. And now, in hindsight, when we do shows together, because we still do shows together, Latifah is like a mad scientist where she'll, call me yo-yo light and rage like out the blue and it'll be like we form Voltron.

Like she'll be like, what are you doing such a, such a day? All right, let me call Yo-Yo. What are you doing? What are you doing? Like, what are you doing, rage? And we'd be like, eh, we're with it. And we'll just all go out to wherever Latifah is and we'll form Voltron and get on stage and do this like two-hour ensemble show.

Crazy. Which is crazy. Right? But Latifah always seems to have this. like this mad scientist mindset where she knows what she's doing. So back then, we were 18 years old recording ladies first. We were actually in our late 17th year, so we didn't turn 18 yet, right? Recording ladies first.

Very mature track. Very mature track. And she knew what she was doing. I'm just the rowdy one, the, you know, the ramaholic that's just happy to be here. But she knew she wanted to do something that made sense that spoke to women as far. as big ups to women, strengthening women, fist in the air for women type vibes. She knew that's what she wanted to do. So once she gave me the gist of, all right, this is where we're going with it.

I was like, cool. So we're in our respective corners, right, in the studio. So I write a verse. This is how excited I was. I would write a verse, right? And then be like, la, la, la, listen to this. Listen to this. Go over to her corner and be like, and then say the rhyme, right?

She'd be like, yo, that's dope. I'll be like, yo, that's dope. And then she'll kick me hers. I'd be like, yo, that's dope. We run back to our respective corners. We write another eight bars. Yo, yo, yo, listen to this. Come back to each other.

I spit the next eight bars. She spit the next eight bars. Excited as ever. We did the whole session like that. The whole session was just electric. Yeah, they're losing that. Now they send your shit to Colorado. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's not in your face no more. It's not that energy. I forgot who came up here and was like, yo, we was in the, I think it was there. So somebody was up there. It was like, they was together. And they was just jumping in and rap.

Like, you know, when I did Flojo, I didn't even know what punching in was. It was real. So I did the whole Flojo without punching in. And they was there. When the hook came, you got a Flojo. Everybody. You come in there, help you say that far here, right? I'm glad you said that.

To make it stronger. I'm glad you brought up Flojo. I bet that you have absolutely. no idea how we, especially us native tongues, looked at you and loved you and was so excited for you when you first came out because there's a huge bloodline between you and native tongues. I bet you didn't even know that.

No, I want to hear it. How do we know? You're Chris's artists. That's right. Do you know, Chris, us, Chris was our roadman. manager before he made any business moves as far as having an office, as far as having violator records, as far as having, I mean, I'm getting choked up just thinking about this right now.

Chris was our road manager. Chris was one of the violators as far as red alerts, posse. That's who the violators are. You know what I'm saying? I remember us walking all of native tongues, all the groups, De La Jongle, Tribe, Me, Latifah, walking into a venue one night. And this is how the violators and the Bronx, and me coming from England,

I'm looking over all of this like, yo, are we being road managed by the mafia? Like, what's going on right now? Definitely the mafia. Because the violators walk up in the venue with these long-leather puff trenches and with the belt, sit us in the room,

all the groups like I just named, sit us in a room, wait here. Nobody touches a mic. Nobody shows their face to the public. Nobody does nothing. until we get this bread. Stay in this room. Violators walk off.

Chris walks off. A couple of them stay with the rest of us. Chris comes back. Everybody out. Huh? We're not performing? Nope. Everybody out.

Right? And basically what that is is if we get in the building and the venue money ain't right, Chris is like, nobody's touching a mic, nobody's touching nothing. The promoters are looking at,

it's the jungle brothers, it's De La Solis, it's tribe, Corquite. Everybody's here. It's a big. going to be crazy. You can't, they're going to tear my club up.

Chris is like, that's not my problem. You ain't got my money right. Everybody out. Chris has always been thorough. So it was no surprise to me that he then made his business moves and created a violator records. And then when he put you out, we're all looking at you like, that's our little brother.

That's our little brother. And we are super proud of him. Look at this. Wow. You know, the man put me on, man. Changed my life. You know, he came. I was in the streets.

Signed me. And what was crazy now that you're saying that, right? Because I know Chris from the streets. Mm-hmm. Every time I did an album, because he was involved with my first three albums, even though I wasn't signed him for Don Carter, Gina. We still had this ritual.

We sit in the car and I play him the album. If it wasn't gangster, Chris ain't going to hit. He'd be like, yo. Fat Joe the gangster. Fuck that. I need some shit. Yo, yo, he used to sit there. I don't think he ever wanted me to be commercial.

He'd be like, yo, you fat Joe, the gangster. I need the hard shit sitting there. Yeah, yeah, this, that shit. He was just so proud of us, you know, like everybody, you know, like DJ Calais was Trevor Squad. Then he went and made we the best. So if you're about the culture and you really love your brothers, you get happy for them to, you know,

Block from Rough Riders. So even though I went and did my own thing, Chris Lighty would come to the album release for Big Pond. Now, he felt like you saying, yo, that's our little brother. He don't know it. He would show up when they'd say in Fat Joe's the Terror Squad, the Don, he would always show up.

And he'd be like, yo, I'm proud of you. And then walk out the joint. You know what I'm saying? Russell Simmons was like that, too. Russell Simmons, every time we did some terrorist squad, album releases something, he comes show his cheekbone for two minutes. Yup. It's a flag?

Nah. Is that good on that? Yeah. Be good on that. You know, they got these things here that you could throw whenever you get upset or whatever. Moni's chilling, man. She ain't down with that shit. You know what I mean?

Do I have that? Yeah, you have it. Everybody has it. I do. Okay. Okay. The way they usually do it is any guests that comes. They tell you a.

I had a time before we record. Joe said some dumb shit, though it out. They'll say Jada kiss. They say fat Joe's going to say some dumb shit, throw it out. That was originally made for you. Flag on the plate.

I want to say, I want to ask that this, because you see how hip-hop and the game evolved with female emcees. Now it became almost like, it became like civil. They have a choke hole on the game for a nice amount of time.

Yeah. But when you seem like native tongues time, it was very protective of you and lie and whatever. Even the females that wasn't native tongue, it seemed like, I don't know, is it the money? Is it the success of now that changed? Even though some, it's still, we're going to make sure the females is always good if we somewhere at Ramisdale or anybody there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's just because we from a different cloth, but I'm talking about.

about as the game. Hip-hop as a whole now is, when the females is rocking, it's just like the female is not, you see what I'm saying, they segregated the game. I think I know what you're saying. Are you saying that, like, you've noticed that a lot of the successful women seem to be kind of just, like, rolling and not necessarily with their male brothers and counterparts, like it used to kind of be, like, families rolling, like, you know what I'm saying? Is that, is that more or less what you're saying? That's what I'm saying. I don't know.

I definitely think that women do have a really strong chokehold on, on the forefront of the game right now. Like, I really do see that. I can't be mad at it. I think that there's just a lot more independent artists, not independent artists, like putting independent records out. I mean, just independent entities. It's less kind of like family rolling.

You know what I'm saying? less, less, where your crew, you got Remy and it's all y'all. You know what I'm saying? And you're rolling like that. It's native and it's me a lot and we're rolling like that. It's more, yeah, you're right, it is more. I think it's more individualism entities like that.

You know what I was thinking about? We're in Miami for the big college game. You were in Indiana. Incredible experience. Incredible. And I'm standing on the sideline and I see all the legends, right? And they amping up. These kids, these kids are what, 18, 19?

And something that came to me, do you think they watch footage of these legends? Like a young kid, 18, 19, does he go back and says, why is this OG keep screaming at me telling me what to do? No, they know. Do they go to the video tape? I think the coaches, you know, like Coach Rich in them, show them tapes.

And then the ones that want to make it, they really want to see who their forefathers was at that. position last time they won the trip who was the best at this particular position you know what I mean? It starts here right? The females do they go back and be like

when they listen to us we're like y'all Mote's a legend do they go back and say let me check out what they were doing at that time okay so do y'all think that the younger the newer guys do that

which y'all? I think I think certain ones. Like, they called me the interview guy at the station. But that's why I asked you know. Everything, every one of your projects, everything from lie, everything from somebody like that. Who? Who? Say her name again?

Absolutely. And that's why. She's an anomaly. A fact. Well, you asked me to give you one. No, but that's what I'm got. The reason. I'm not going to get a flag right now?

I get a flag. I got a flag. Ah. But that's, but that's. But that's. But that's. That's why I asked you that specifically because you said, key thing that you said is some. That's the key.

Some. You know what I'm saying? Because I think that the viral explosion and just the bigness of the internet and social media and everything has allowed a lot of folks to feel like a lot of folks that's been here a lot less time to feel like they know everything. And so that's why it's some people do their research. And I say that not to be snotty or snidey or anything like that. I say it because in any field, not just music, in any field in any business and any occupation, it behooves a person to know what came before them

because it helps them to do what they do even better. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to learn everything from your own accord. You can learn some stuff from some other people. That's why it's called research. Stere in my life. You know what I'm saying? You know, in Fat Joe's wicked way of thinking,

you know, a guy like Floyd Mayweather, his uncle, his father were champs. And Floyd Mayweather became dead nights. Floyd watched a lot of tape. Okay. I watched one fight where he was doing the Floyd that he was losing, like six rounds in a world. I think some Mexican guy was on him. And he switched up the whole style, like in the seventh round and just he started doing some other shit.

He beat the guy senseless for the rest of the fight. When they interviewed him, he was like, yo, I mean, he was ready for me. And I switched up to Jack Dempsey, you know, like, I thought about the fight Jack Dempsey. I don't know if it was Jack Dempsey, but he said one of them old guys. And he was like, yo, from watching the film, I had to figure out who I had to fight like to beat this guy. Because if I'm just straight up Floyd Mayweather, he got my number. So about the sixth round, he just squished the whole style up on him and was like, killed him.

Like, killed him. But he was like, and I remember I was looking, I said, damn, he really watches the footage. Case and point, that's it right there. And you talking, and that was a beautiful analogy. Because you're talking about boxing, which is another fine art within itself. And I'm saying? It makes sense. You know what I'm saying?

And to bring it back to hip hop. how you think when the DJ battles were going down, right, back in the days. And how you think they got nice enough to be able to get to the world final championships and go up against each other is because they're all sitting watching tapes. I said it in another interview one time. They're sitting. Clark Kent would sit in his basement and have some of us sit there in his basement and watch videotapes of other DJs and their routines.

And see, look, you see when Jazzy Jeff did this right here? Moni, you see, and I'm sitting there like, I'm an MC. Why am I here? You know what I'm saying? Y'all are DJs. Why am I here? No, but I'm trying to show you something because Clark Kent did make me learn how to DJ. You didn't talk to you at a DJ.

Yes. Yes. I want to shout out Rock Raider, rest of peace, Rock. And that's what I'm saying. That's another one. That's another one. Yeah, give it up. That's another one.

That's another one right there. He did the scratches on Flojo. See? Raider was like, Dan, we're digging in the crates. Absolutely. I don't know exactly how, but he was down with us. And whenever we needed scratches, I'd be like, you're right, he was the coolest guy in the world.

And Rock Raider's nasty. Rock Raider was nasty. Like, I know this. I remember this. Why he's telling that shit. And he'd be smiling. Why he doing the moves and the routines? Like, Rock Raider was like super smooth.

And so it was the same thing with emceeing. Same thing. Like, for me, I used to listen to set it off by Big Daddy Kane, like how singers have people that they do the scales with, singers and trainers that be, you know, let's do the scales and stuff like that to get their voices right. I used to listen to Big Daddy Kane set it off to get myself right

because it was a choppy. Let it go get ball. I just can't hold. You know what I'm saying? And I would be doing that. Rock the discotheque and screw this what's next. You know what I'm saying? And that's how I developed a style to be on some, excuse me, but I think I'm about to do.

I get into precisely what I am about to do. I'm conversating to the folks who I know what's the weather clue. So listen, very carefully, as I break it down for you, Mary, Mary, Mary, you know what I'm saying? No doubt. To bring it back to what you're saying, absolutely, the study of what comes before you is what helps to make you great at what you do in any field. Clark forced you to learn how to need you. Did you, what did you take with that?

It gave me a deeper respect for hip hop in itself because I started in London when we first embraced the culture. I wasn't rhyming at first. I was breaking. I was a bee girl. No doubt. Yeah, too. Right? So it allowed me to embrace another element of the culture when Clark was like, no, you're going to learn.

You're going to learn how to bring a record back. You're going to learn how to recognize it. Here, I put the tape markings on it. That's the one. Bring it back to the one. Flip the feta. Bring it back to the one. flip the feta.

Put the earphones on one side, have the other air kind of open so you can hear what's going on. Bring it back, flip the favor. Bring it back, flip the favor. You know what I'm saying? Cut it back. Cut, cut, cut.

Talk me around. You tell you something. You know, you know. You know, you do. I ate a train the other day. New York City train. The other day? Yeah, we snuck in the yard.

Yeah? Huh? With spray paint, man. You don't know I'm a graffiti. I watch you doing your shit. No. I'm going to sell you the pictures. I hear the train down the day.

being buyer, but listen, so graffiti. Some of the best boys came out to Bronx. One thing I try to do is DJ and that sucked. I've never, ever successfully, nowhere. I used to go to Serge's house every day. I just sucked.

Like, there's nothing. I can't DJ. But you can't write. Huh? But you can't graph. You write. Yeah, yeah. Tag.

I write, right. Okay. Well, then you got that. I got two. I got two. You, three, you're a B-boy.

You is a B-Boy. Yeah, I still got... You as a B-boy. I still get on the... We got fluidity. You know what I mean, I still got fluidy. Yeah, I got women. Listen.

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is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope.

We get honest about the big stuff, identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore, loss that changes you, purpose when success isn't enough, peace when your mind won't slow down, faith when it's complicated, some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. Our mental Licklamova. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented

scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almermata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior, and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind.

Listen to the A-building on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the Unpurposed. podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations. You get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah. Thank you. That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little. Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances. which I've not really talked about ever.

Growing up on Disney in front of million, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank. I hit a bad note, then I couldn't kind of recover. And I built up this idea that music and being musician was my whole identity.

I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away. Who am I? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's tap back to like social,

media. If you think now is the birth of moni love and there's social media, do you think your career would have been super amplified more now that there's social media? Honestly, I think any of us, any of us from my era or y'all, because I'm the big sister, y'all are my little brothers. You know what mean? So go back to me, go back to your big sister and all of my set. If we had the platform of all of these platforms now, absolutely everything would have just been magnified for sure. You know what I mean? That's a fact. Yeah. And who do you

think that's a female artist that does social media well uses it now and you be like, man, she know she know how to play that game? Oh, we all know that's Cardi. Cardi does, yeah. I mean, that's a no-brainer. I have it up for Cardi utilizes.

That's an absolutely, that's a no-brainer. She could wake up first thing in the morning and don't even be any of her outfits yet. And it's a top post. Because there's always a level of relatability in there. You know what I mean? She just, without even trying. I always said people loved her first,

and then she made great music, and then it's out of it. I think that's really, that's poignant. Yeah. And then she just hit it out the bar with that bodack yellow. Because I did like her first. Did we like? Thank you for saying that. I did like her first before anything.

Yeah, I did. And what's really cool for me about Cardi is, regardless to the fact that she's like, she's not my age group, right? So, like, some people would be like, well, how do you relate to Cardi B at all? For me, it's her mothering. When she wakes up and she has her, whatever gripes she's having that morning about being a mom or the kids doing this or acting up or whatever. Oh, I got to get this. And kids making their little remarks in the background. I get it.

Because when I look at it, I'm like, oh, my God. And then I'll say to my daughter who's in here, right, I'll be like, Shalena, look at this. You remember when I used to, you guys used to say things and embarrass me? And then I used to do this or I used to say that to you guys. It's just I find all of these relatable moments in her parent world for me. And I had four kids. You know what I'm saying?

At her age, I didn't, no, no, no. Cardi beat me a little bit. I spread mine out a little bit more. She moved. But I do have the same amount of kids as well. Cardi might come next week. I'm pregnant again, guys. I think she's the first female

that ever intentionally got pregnant in her prime and still worked and went on tour, pregnant, still popping. So intentionally, maybe. But first, no. that was me. And you can pull up the tape from Arsenio. You can pull up the tape from... You was pregnant on Arsena.

Hell yeah. I was on Showtime at the Apollo, talking about Moni in the middle. Really in the middle. Moni in the middle. Really in the middle. That's a fun fact. Pull the tape up.

I'm glad you said that because that's another reason, one of my early reasons why I related to Cardi, because when she was pregnant that first time and came out and was like on stage and publicly and everything,

I was like, because I understood it. Because I was there. I was in that exact position on stage, front, doing everything. The thing they used to do in hip hop and they probably still do it, that's why I hate these people. The business always got like the stereotype, like a female artist can't have a voice. Oh no, they shamed us. They shamed us.

Especially in my time, they shamed us. Like the record label, I was signed to Chryslist in England, but I was signed to Warner Brothers for the United States in Canada. and I was pretty much without them actually saying it. Like, I was three months pregnant with my daughter that's in here, my oldest one now, right? She's 34. I was three months pregnant with her, and on the label reps were like, well, what are you going to do? And I was like, I said I'm three months pregnant. What you mean what I'm going to do?

Well, you know, what are you going to do? And I'm like, it means I'm having a baby. Like, what do you think it mean? Like they're telling you taking abortion, you know what I'm saying? Without saying it. I'm trying to say it. Without saying it.

You know what I'm saying? The record rep at the time. And I was just like, I was 19. Very sexist business. I was, because it was that summer around my birthday that I found out, right? And so she was born right before I turned 21, right? Because I was 20 when I found out I was pregnant. So by the time I turned 21, she was here.

I thought back to the time and I'm like, I'm so glad I'm. made that. It would have never went any other way. You know what I'm saying? And my kid, my daughter has asked me that before. She's like, mom, do you think that you would have did it any differently and maybe you would have not had kids so early? And I was like, no.

If it happened all over again, I would have did it the same way all over again. Like it wasn't a question for me. And that, again, bringing it back to Cardi is another reason why I, she spoke to me. And that's why I took a liking. I went to our own hands because I'm sure they were telling that. You're a signaling bull. You're a thing. You're at that.

And she was like, no, I'm pregnant. I'm outside. Like, yeah. No, because. Really outside. Women were having babies, but they were hiding it. Yeah. Right?

It was Megan. The label. I was on tour. I was on tour until I was seven months pregnant. I was on the triple threat tour. Belbiv DeVoevote, Keith, Sweat, and Johnny Gill. Mm. Wow.

And I opened up for them until I was seven months pregnant. You know, the workflow, it continues. The workflow continues. Did you ever think you would lead into getting into radio? No. How did that happen? That was an accident. Do y'all remember Steve Smith?

Yes. God rest this though because he passed away. He passed. Mm-hmm. Steve Smith actually is the person that created Hot 97 as what it was, the flagship in the first place. Right? He called my manager one day, and by that time he had had certain. people in place already at the station.

It was newly flipped. Angie was there already. Angie was at the station before it flipped to hip hop format. Yeah, with the house music. Exactly. She was already there. So, and I think she worked her way up. She's like foundational at that station, right?

Flex was there already. And I think they had Ed and Dre on in the morning. And Steve Smith called my manager one day and was like, oh, do you think you could come in and take a meeting with me and, you know, to discuss maybe Money love being on the radio. So my manager, my manager came from England with me. My manager's name is Steve. He's from Liverpool, right, which is outside of London. So we went, he didn't tell me what we were going there for.

And the sat spoke to Steve Smith. He was like, what do you think about being on the radio? And I was like, I am on the radio. My music's played on the radio. Right? And he was like, no, being an actual radio personality. I was like like a disc jockey. Like, why would I want to do that?

And he was like, I think you have a really good personality. I was like, yeah, but I'm on the other. the side getting interviewed by the disc jockey. I don't see myself as a disc jockey. Right? So he's like, let me teach you. Let me help you get your FCC license. What's an FCC license nowadays, huh? Nobody needs an FCC license to be on a radio now. But back then, you had to have an FCC license. So I trained on air in the unsociable hours so nobody could hear me because there was a lot of mess ups. And as a matter of fact, myself and Ms. Jones, we were training at the same time together on the radio at like 2 o'clock in the morning talking about our love lives and how we can't stand

these men, not realizing the microphone was on. This is the type of mistakes we were making on air at 2 o'clock in the morning as we trained to get our FCC licenses. You know what I'm saying? So bottom line, we got our FCC license. I got mine. And then I was on weekends on Hot 97, Tracy Clority that was working underneath Remember Tracy? Yeah, I know. I remember. She used to put me on all the time whenever Angie went on vacation

or whenever Wendy went on vacation, I was the go-to. Like, we need you to work two weeks. Wendy's going on vacation for her birthday or whatever it is. We need you to work. Or Angie's taken off a vacation. We need you to work. Angie doesn't want anybody else interviewing her guests,

but you can do it. Angie said she trusts you, blah, blah, blah. So that's how I got my chops in radio, you know, and then I was at Hot 97 for 10 years. I was there for 10 years. And the year that I left and went over to Power 1051 was when Steve Smith been left, Hot 97, went away for a little while, came back,

and then created Power 1051. Yeah. And then I got hired over there. And the year that I, my first year of working there was the year. when there was a lot of mess happening between Hot 97 and Power 1-151 that involved Jay-Z, that involved Nas, that involved some noose hanging thing that was supposed to happen.

Turned in power to switch. The first thing they was doing that power is they was making the artist do these promos that said, I made... Switch. That was like, I mean, you got to understand how many seven in the whole country was known like the first full hip hop station and they had so much power and leverage in this market. Think about New York City.

Didn't have two stages. It was just High 97 and when power opened up, the first thing it was like, your locks, come here. Say you made this switch. As an artist, you were scared because Hot 97 was saying, you could go over there,

but if you say you made the switch, don't come back here. Don't come back. I mean, it was a real, You know, New York City. So serious. I wasn't. I wasn't.

I was the Power Out of 5-1 still going to Summer Jam. Like, I was chilling. The kid, my daughter, this in here, right? Teen at that time, we're going, we're, I'm going to Summer Jam. She wants to go. I got her tickets. We go. We're sitting in the stands, watching the show.

Okay. Stiles is on stage doing, I get, ha, ha, ha, ha. Right? Every day. My daughter's next to me. I get, ha. I was like, what? Every day.

Every day. Right? Right. And then while we're there doing that, Patty Duke comes up the stairs to where the section I'm sitting. And he's like, you know what's going on at your station right now with the mean twist face? And I'm like, what? And he was like, Nause is on air right now talking smack. I was like, what that got to do with me?

I'm at the concert. My daughter's singing I get high. I'm like, but it was serious. Like the beefing. You know what also happened? You know what also happened was because I'm a prime example of that. Right? Like, prime example.

I had like if I had beef for 50 cents and somebody I thought I was cool here, or I gave an opportunity, or I put in the game, rocked with them in any. way I was tight. I was like, yo, we're not rocking no more. We're not, you know, it's over like this. You got to pick a side.

And I just think all of that, Biggie Tupac, all that, it was the first time that type of stuff was happening. And we didn't really know how to react. Now when I look at a hip-hop beef, I've seen it 40 times a bet. So I already know how this thing's going to play out, whether in a good way or in a bad way,

You know, back in the day, somebody dissed you, you had to jump out. You didn't have to, but that's how it was. You jump out now, you got eight guys, this, and the 50 cents, guess what? He didn't put gas in the car. He said, I ain't even talking about. I don't care. And it went away. You know, but that's after years of watching rap beasts unfold and what happens and this and this and that.

That's after experience. But when that first came out, it was like, High 97 was the only show in town. the power came out and gnaz is up there and what are we going to do? The world is classic. But you know what I wanted to ask you? I know it was real. When the label,

the label, when you drop a single or drop a project, they send you the I-97, they do whatever they do, boom, boom, boom. Then they pat you on the back. Well, you got your own relationship with power and then go,

you take the, what the fuck is this? That's what I would, that's what I wanted to ask you to. You're literally telling me, you only support me over at this and I got to go handle who that's the fuck.

That's what I wanted to ask you to because at that time it was different for me because I had transitioned into being on radio. By that time, I was being on air 11, 12 years. So I had transitioned. You guys were still actively putting music out.

So how was that for you? I've always been the boss. So like, I've always worked my own records. I've always worked like, you know, it was different for me. Even towards halfway during my career, I had like distribution deals. I didn't have where I got a, I'm signed to the labor. So the thing I knew, I knew the real politics.

Like, I still know the real politics. So the real politics is, yeah, Hot 97 is the grandfather of this shit. And they run it. And we got to be a little bit loyal to them because they did put us in the game. They play Flojo first. So we got to be like that. But they were also telling me, Power 105 is owned by a company

that owns 40 other radio stations. So if you try to front on Power 105, they will not play your shit in America. So now what do you want? You want to keep it real way, Hot 97? Meanwhile, you got, call it what it is. You got dictators like Ebro on fucking Hot 97. Like, you don't come here.

We run the show. He. People like that. I need my water now. I need my water now. Hold on. Hold on. I need my water.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need my water now. People. This is, you just, now I'm getting a hot flash. You just bought some other shit on. That's all because you did now.

I'm just trying to say that people like that were like trying to control the game, you know, almost like in the month. muscle way, but without flexing the muscle, but just like, you know, we won't play your shit. We've got the number one station. We did this, this and that. And he was quick to be like, yo, matter of fact, we don't, you seen that interview when

the man told Kodak Black who's the hottest guy in the world. You all get out of you if you want. Leave. Like, he was bigger than Kodak Black. Like they was. I'm not singling our Ebroke because there was a lot of that shit there where they felt like, yo, we birthed y'all, this, we got the number. And then y'all going over there.

But what they was up against, what they didn't realize is that that station came with 40 other stations. So it was like, do you want to be the hottest on high 97, which we all know and loved? Or you want to get played in 40 other stations. Now, if you go over here, you say, fuck power, you're done in the country. You know? It was that type of shit going on. Right. And so you had the final way

to finagle both situations It was hard That's what I thought It was just really really, really hard And it's not fair Because y'all Not favors but you had to do We just want to make me

That's what I'm saying Y'all as the artist You shouldn't have to worry about that You shouldn't have to worry about that Should just be creating You know the art And then let that rock And then bring it to the cities

And perform It shouldn't have to worry about the politics of the radio stations which none of us own shares in. You know what I'm saying? So that's what, and that is, that is my mindset. What you say? He says, say it slow, huh?

Talk slow to them. Yeah, that's like motherfuckers dying over the hood talking about this my block. They don't own shit. Not even the shit they live it. You know, but that is why bringing it back to me being at the concert when that was happening

and that whole thing was happening on air on power with Nas and all of that, you know. You still thinking, yo, I just got a better job, but we're still family. I worked with you off for 10 years. Exactly. And my daughter wanted to come to Summer Jam.

Like, I knew that shit was a crock of shit when I went to one of them and the other one had a little radio over there playing the other one than the other one had a little ready. Oh, they was listening to whatever. Yeah, they did.

Yeah, they did. You go to power, they got a little radio tuned in, the Hot 97. You go over there, anybody first. So, Moni, tell me a couple of female artists that you respect their contribution to the game, you know, from day one till now. Oh, I love this question. Okay. Pebbly poo. I love me some pebbly poo because when I first came here and people in this country first started hearing me rhyme,

A lot of the elders at that time, when I was a baby in the game, told me that I remind them of pebbly poo. And so I started listening to her and she instantly was like one of my favorites. Roxanne Chantay put the battery in my back. Please believe it. Because she was fearless. She was fearless. She'd take on anyone, anywhere, any time, doesn't matter. So watching her and listening to her, that gave me the courage that I needed to leave, to leave the

bathroom and not stop being a toothbrush in the mirror wrapper. She put the battery in my back, I would say that. Salt and Pepper, to me, all of the girls that are, that embrace their bodies in their image today, to me, took a page out of Salt and Pepper's book. Oh, man, So on Peppers, they. Because they were really, yeah, they were the, the... We need Salt and Pepper on this show. Oh, that's for sure.

Shout out to Salt. They should get up in the music house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to come. They beyond legendary. Yeah, yeah. And then, of course, my immediate sister's, like, Light. I went to school with.

What? I went to George Wingate High School in Brooklyn. With MC Light. Yes. She was a superstar very young. She was a superstar then when I was going to high school with her. Yes, she was a superstar. She was a superstar.

She was wrong. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And on Friday nights, get special ability.

to be able to be that young and be able to walk up in Latin quarters and all of that. I was so jealous. I would fear the story. That was her world. Like, she had that. She was a kid, phenom, MC. Wow. Yeah, yeah.

Is that around the time, especially Latt was killing? Yo, special land was, especially like, remember we used to think he had like a fake hand, right? Who used to think special land had a fake hand? That was a rumor that had that in the start. Are you kidding? He always had his hand inside. He had his hand inside in the video for I got it made because they filmed it in winter at Grand Army Plaza.

That's when they first. That was the beginning of the room. It was no rumors. That was the beginning of the cats. There's a still on all three. Yo. I didn't know that. That's crazy.

Man, light is just incredible. I like where she's at in life. Yeah. Where her voice, she's doing voiceovers now for movies. She was doing, shows, every day. And she's producing and directed movies. A lot of stuff, yeah. So.

She was that, she was that kid back then that was just like, you're still in high school and you tearing up a club on a Friday night. Like, what? You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like was, and I didn't tell her that I could rhyme. I was at George Wendgate High School for like six months. My mother moved here. I was living at my grandparents' house on East 28th Street between Clarendon and Cotill. you in Brooklyn.

And I went to the high school and I met light and we were cool, but I did not tell her that I could rhyme because I'm like, she comes to school on a Monday with stories about being up in the same club as Big Daddy came, getting on stage after him. What do I have to say? I have nothing. I'm not telling her that I even utter a word, much less. It wasn't until I went to England and then she came over there doing shows. and obviously knew me because we went to high school

and then I told her, I also do this. Wow. You know, it was then. And then, you know, we got tight as far as on the artistic level also. So that was pretty cool. But yeah, she was that kid. Yeah.

Yeah. Those were the ones that I would honestly say influence me, put the battery in my back, gave me the gusto, allowed me to feel brave to enter this world. You know, those would definitely be this. It was your first big show every day. I'm Dylan Playfair.

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and bromances for over 50 years. And you can find Bromance on the IHartRadio Network or wherever you get your podcast. What do you do in the headlines? Don't explain what's happening inside. of you. I'm Ben Higgins. And if you can hear me, is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us,

what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff, identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore, loss that changes you purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down, fake when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A building.

I'm Hans Charles. I'm Inelik Lamoma. It's 1969. Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing in protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's Almemata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.

To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the unpurposed podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar.

The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations. You get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jones. And also, you know, your daughter is incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah. Thank you. That's so beautiful.

I can see that got you a little. Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I'd not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of a million, how did that shape? your sense of self.

I went blank. I hit a bad note, then I couldn't kind of recover. And I built up this idea that music and being musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was if you took this thing away.

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Listen to Charlie's Place on the IHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast Oh your first big show Yo my first big show was at the new music seminar When I performed ladies first with Lafitha for the first time It was at some high school in Manhattan because the new music seminar happened every year at the Marriott Marquis

Hotel. Exactly. All the labels had all their top artists or new artists that they wanted to showcase and show off. DJ battles. World supremacy. That makes sense to me. He was going to see Clark Kent had a battle

and we was online and he had my vinyl for my album. I'm like, you're my man. My album wasn't even out for like four months after. I'm like, how you get the vinyl? He was like, you're like, yo, I'm a DJ. We came tight from there. That's him.

So way before that, because you got to remember, I'm old compared to you young ins, right? I did perform at the new music seminar, and that's when Latifah performed because Tommy Boy was putting her as one of their new artists at the time to perform in a showcase, a Tommy Boy showcase.

So I was there. I performed, and I never will forget that Guru ran up to me at the end of the performance. It was the first time I ever performed Ladies First. I hadn't heard Ladies First for six months after it was recorded until the day I had to perform it on stage with Latifah at that show. Shak Kim, shove me in the bathroom with a... Walkman.

Walkman. With a Walkman. And said, just listen to it over and over and over. We go on in 10 minutes. What? And that's what I did and I was scared and I didn't want to come out the bathroom. Special Ed. was then knocking

Yo, Moni, you got to come out. You gotta come out. And I'm like, I'm going to crap myself. I'm so scared. Got up, went into autopilot,

performed it, tore it down. Latifah tore it down. When she did ladies first and bought me out, tore it down, right? And guru ran up. Ran up to me.

And said what? Yo, I didn't know you could rhyme like that. And that was like so, special to me that Guru did that. That's actually why on my EP this out now, I redid skills. But Amil did the hook.

Hmm. Yeah. Why, you got out of retirement. Amil did the hook on that. What's the name of the latest project? It's called Love Notes. Yeah, Love Notes.

Everybody out there. Love Notes. But that's a tribute to Guru. Fire. And that's the only reason why Emil did it is for hip hop because it was a tribute to guru. That's the only reason why she did it because she flat out was, I'm not messing with this no more, Mo. I'm so far removed from any of this.

I'm not. And so she was like, the only reason why I'm doing this, Mo, is for you and for guru and for hip-hop. And that's the only reason why she got on that hook. I respect that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. My brother, I love it.

Yeah, man. that that that that that was a tribute to him you know um shout out to e love hello coo jay the camp they lost a brother yeah i gotta i gotta do it that was that's the that was special in every video like we knew this is e you know what i'm saying so rest in peace to you know that's crazy because the way you just did that that's how i always looked at Eric Beach. I thought he was the originator.

I thought he was the originator. He might be the originator of ice grill, though. He was the originator ice grill. He was one of the originators of fly. They had all the jury on. He was the first one with like, I don't know. I'm just saying because sometimes when I say like historical facts, Melly Mell are coming to DM.

Somebody come and be like, yo, John. Because like you said, Joe's our little brother, everybody feels like that. So if I say something and the timeline is accurate or something like that, they'll hit me. Which reminds me since you say this. I'm fried, monies, no one. Don't debate me on the time.

He's going right to the fire with it. I get it wrong all the time. No, but listen, let me just give everybody the quick synopsis, right? So I love this show, right? So I watched the show. And I saw Joe say something one day when he was. was like, you know, when my, when De La was on here, and I was like, and Joe was like, you know, I wish she would have came out with something on her own. And I was like, I was at a radio

station event for the station up, because I'm going to Kiss 104.1 in Atlanta from three to seven on weekdays, every day, right? So I was actually, um, at an event for the station when I, when I saw the clip. So I hit PASS, but wait, POS looks so confused in the clip, right? Because it's like, he's thinking about it, but it's like, so then I was. I was like, I filmed myself saying, Joe, come on, Joe. I was like, come on, Joe. Let me explain, son, of you. The part you're missing is that I called you phenomenal super with the phone.

No, I didn't miss none of that. Oh, no, you still. No, I didn't miss none of that. I didn't miss none of that. I was just like, I'm going to get him in his ribs. I was like, I'm going to get Joey in his ribs. I got that message from you. I was confused.

No, because. I'm going to get the thermals in 145th blue jeans. And I'm like, I said, I worship only love. No, I get it. Let me make it make sense for your viewers, right? Why don't you tell them when you first moved to Miami? I am going to. Let me make it make sense.

And that is how far Joe goes back with me, right? Let me make it make sense to your viewers. So I filmed myself after I saw that clip and I was like, come on, Joe, we're going to help you out. I had two albums out, Joe. I'm going to help you out. We're going to help you out, right? like that. Now, to the average person that doesn't know our history,

that doesn't know our connection, and it's fair, I don't expect everybody to know, right? That's fair. But the one thing that I do not like about the viral explosion and social media platforms is that it has given way to a false sense of entitlement. So people get on and their thumbs become gangsterized. Right? And they start to type all this craziness, right?

Now, granted, you don't know how far this man and I go back. You don't know this man is like a little brother to me. You don't know that my ex-road manager that passed away and has created so much avenues for several artists in hip-hop culture, period, right? Was my road manager? Put this young man on the map. So he's special to me. You don't know all of that.

Right? See your little gangster thumbs, get on Instagram, and start to say all kinds of wild stuff. Gants to thumbs. Right? Say all kinds of wild stuff to me, right, about how I'm speaking to Joey. You don't get to tell me how I speak to Joey because that's my little brother. And if you have a little brother in your household that may have skipped something, missed something in your opinion, and you want to get him in his ribs, you can do that. Joey and his family looked out for me and my family when we first moved to Miami. I had no radio job.

I left Philly. I was doing radio in Philly. I left Philly. I went to Miami with my kids. I left a bad relationship in Philly, picked up my kids, went to Miami with nothing. But my kids and whatever we could have, right? No radio job, no shows, no nothing happening, right? Joey and Lorena picked me and my kids up.

Took us out to his house. You were in plantation at the time. Took us out to his mansion. Fed us took care of us. You know, was like, what do you need? They put together a care package for us because we're newly in Miami, right? With nothing. Okay?

There were ups, there were downs in this business. It was the down. It was the down, right? Yeah. Give us a care package. Pots, pans, towels, necessities. necessities, everything that you need in a brand new apartment

when you're starting out, right? And that's when I first got to Miami. This is within the first week, right? Looked out for us. You know what I'm saying? But again, I don't expect anybody to notice off the back. But the point to what I'm saying is

relax on social media. Okay? No, seriously, yeah, relax. Because the people notice... You know what he said I'm going to stop attacking the guys to do that, he said, that's time he told me,

I need you to stop, Joe. Stop attacking these guys. I'm like, he's like, yo, Joe, I need you to stop. So I'm stopping. I'm letting Moni. Don't stop.

Oh, yes. Yes. Listen. And then I wound up taking the post down because people were saying wild stuff towards me and people were saying

wild stuff towards you. And I was like, that wasn't my intention. with my post. And what I told, Moni immediately was like, Bonnie, we fucking love you, we worship you.

You know, I love you. Don't take this no wrong way. Sometimes I say some shit that gets missed a shoot and I'm crazy. And people know that shit. Right. It's the truth.

I'm foul sometimes. He argued with me. He was like, yo, Moni, I'm like, yo, look, I can't even with this guy right here. But what I'm saying is

the way, you know, you're, career was laid out, right? It's that energy, right? It's the energy. And now it's actually the same thing. Like, so, say French Montana,

right? French Montana, I got his demo played on nobody. They had beef with the powers that be and nobody was playing these shit. And they was bubbling in the street. I took this shit and was like, yo,

he's from the Bronx, you know, You playing this. I don't want to say it like that, but I, you know, I had to do that. Soon as they played it, six months later, he was a superstar and had popped that. But the energy was he was already bubbling in the streets, giving him his song, that's that,

what's that joint? Shorty got the tent, shoot. And then six months later, he had a song with Drake and Rick Ross, and he's a superstar. But it's an energy. So Fat Joe got Flojo, and then L.L. Cool, Jay puts me on, I shot you.

So you hear it coming. This happens with every artist. It's an energy. And I've always felt like your energy for being on buddy and ladies first and all that, maybe if now you'd have been even bigger than you were. That's what I was trying to allude to. You know, that's what I was trying to get out.

Like saying, like, you know, Moni Love to me, of course we know you legendary. Of course we know you got classic albums. Of course, we know. But, you know. What he clarified, you see? What he got to do is give him some time? How long was it? For six months.

I know it wasn't. Four months. You know, first thing he did he walked in, yeah, you know, you got to apologize. I'm like, apologized to me. No, I know. What did I do? This is all stuff we know. They don't know.

And the thing they know shit off comments, like she just said. You know what? You know, there's a resurgence in originators. Like this year we had day loud. We had goats. You ain't seen. Saw. Nas and the salt drop a joint.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. You have a project. And for a long, Kwame? Yeah, he has to see out. Different kids. He got a joint. I used to love my name, man. And somebody, I wanted to say earlier,

but I didn't want to cut you off because, you know, that's my new rules around here. They don't let me cut people off. Yeah, that's a new one. Okay. Right? Even though I try to tell them the DNA is, I. It's working.

Shout out to Chubb Rock. He's somebody I studied. He's somebody I studied, like you said, you used to putting that thing. We are waiting for an evergreen episode. Evergreen episode. Chub was the first person I was going to sign the lot. That's crazy.

Yeah. Chuck, what? Yeah, we were supposed to, we was going to sign with Chubb. Chubb was our first. He's Chubb first. I remember making my first album. Wait a minute. You can't just say that and then be like, eh, ew.

No, you got to tell us. I got to bring Luch up here. That's insane. I don't really remember everything in detail. Yeah, but Chuck, you got to bring. You got to bring Chubb up here. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Dave, make that happen. You know what they gave me? It represents all of us. Yeah. You know, they gave me the key to the city. And it was a big day for me. Like, right?

You gave me the key to this city. This wasn't my city. What? They gave me mad keys. None of them is in my city. Give me Jersey City. East Orange. Mad shit.

Because I see that a key, They gave DMX. They gave DMX. Yeah, they gave it the head. All day or some shit, right? We got days older that. They didn't give, I think, they might have gave it.

P might have got a key, my day. WIO never gave me shit. That's crazy. I didn't get me Jersey City. Oh, my God. Stated to art crazy out of this world. Can't fit your sneakers in me. You checked it out?

Your sneakers. You seen. You got me with any. Out of the outside. It's not good. It's like that building you lived in a jersey that the fucking apartment was this little but it was the flies building.

Oh, my gosh. You never let me say my story. I'm sorry. So while I got the key to the city, the whole Bronx is out there crazy and Orchard Beach, I turned around and Chub Rock just happens to be standing on stage.

I stopped the whole shit. And I told him how much he influenced me in front of everybody. You know, the Bronx was out there. So I was like, your child. Because a lot of time as men, right, in this type of business, we don't really sit people down and tell them how much they influence us or how much,

you know, we'll say what's up, we'll be cordial. I hear that. But we don't grab them and be like, yo, look, when I did that represent an album, my first album, I was listening to Chub Rock. To Chub Rock's tape, I kept playing that every day before I wrote the next. song. I just, his flows is 19, did you,

Broke Jones, a boy, and see, would a lead in the pocket of all the rain. She'll say, say his, is a robo cop. Well,

the biggest line on that was remember Yusuf Harkton's. Yeah, we were just talking about him today, too. And I've seen

Sean Bell's wife, she has a movie. There's a movie out. Absolutely. Shout out to Manny. Yep. Shout out to Manny. So I just seen him at Chuck

on the movie. Called Nicole Bell. whole bell. Yeah, experience. If y'all don't know who Sean, the kid got killed a day before his wedding in New York City back in the day. So his wife put out a movie. But you know what's crazy is they actioned.

Because, you know, now I'm a mature or whatever, whatever. But back in the days, I was the most harassed person from the police in the universe. And I'd call it ass whippers. I don't understand killing yourself or being, but I got. bullied more than anybody in the world. Like, I got beat up by the cops more than you could ever think in your life. So they invite me one day to, what was it, a Black Lives Matter, police summit. And I come up in there, and, you know, in great tradition, if you think in New Music

Seminar, what would Chuck D say? You know, I was in the crowd watching all this. So when they put me on the panel, and it was like, yeah, you know, this, this, that, and they think I'm fat Joe the rapper. And I said, remember you. Hawkins when you walk in. Oh, wow. That was the first line I said, and they knew, oh, he came on bullshit.

Oh. They knew the police knew, oh, he came on bullshit. I'm telling the man of Louieme, Sean Bell, this is the wrong guy to bring up Bayez. They were like, oh, no, he know too much. Like, let's get him off the stage. But, you know, a line like that, the

consciousness in music carers did that for me, too. I remember hopping the train. We were talking about the Walkman, and I'm thinking it's just going to be a gangster album. I'll put in criminal mind that he's like airplanes flying overseas people dying politicians lying I'm trying and I'm sitting there like yo what the fuck does he talk but it opened us up to conscience. Yo carers one used to shut his showdown and start straight up talking like Malcolm X or somebody seriously does anybody remember car wash the club no the club

car wash oh no I don't know that okay again I'm showing my age which I have no problem doing Right. Chris used to shut the showdown halfway through and start talking and dropping all that knowledge not in song form. Oh, nobody left. Nobody left.

And then he got, you know who else did that? Nas, Naz with that. Egypt had the kings and they cut off their nose. Right. I know I care. You, he was dropping jewels on that. Yeah, yeah. You know, and that's, we're missing that in hip-hop today.

People dropping them type of jewels where the next generation could feel proud and know where they came from because we don't know what we came from. I was in the car with Rich the Barber and I was like, yo, you know they chopped off the noses in the statues in Egypt because they had black noses. Nigger noses. No, no, tell us. But they chopped their nose off. Oh, you don't get scared.

They said the European is something. So, but this was deep. You know what I'm saying? This was deep. And, um, it's true. Is anyone ever find their nose? Iron Sheik wants something for the nose. You know that's where somebody found their nose?

It's the first story that the people said I didn't cap. I never knew Iron Sheik got arrested. Did somebody just say nobody knows? Nobody know. No, I told the story last. time, Iron Sheik, we bumped into Iron Sheik, the wrestler. And he was from Iran. So he comes by him with some Mexican dudes.

They drinking liquor. He asks for some liquor, perhaps. Some liquor. They gave him liquor. Perhaps something he drank. They showed him smoking weed. 30 minutes later he came back. Perhaps some weed.

He came back 30 minutes later. He said, perhaps something for the nose. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, yo, don't give the Iron Sheet something for the nose. I'm shaking the hell. Yeah. I want that thing where it's so viral. I watched all the comments.

It was like, first of all I didn't know he had a nickname. His nickname is Shiki Baby. So in the comments, everybody who knew him off wrestling was saying, yo, that's Shiki Baby. He used to get arrested every week for cocaine. Yo, he used to this or that. Like, they were like, Joe did not cap on this. That's crazy.

Joe and Jeter, baby. Let's go. Legend. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. Make some noise for moni love. Get that new album.

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