Joe and Jada - Omar Epps on NEW FILM ‘Moses the Black,’ Tupac in ‘Juice’ & ALL-TIME Black performances

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Omar Epps, whose new film 'Moses the Black' released across the United States on January 30th. The prolific actor tells Joe and Jada about working alongside Quavo and Wiz Khalifa on the 50 Cent-produced film, his iconic role in Juice alongside Tupac Shakur, working with LL Cool J on In Too Deep, going against the grain with his House role, and why he thinks it's time to retire the "pause" police. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX!6:00 - Working with Tupac and LL Cool J 10:30 - Why he chose to do House 13:30 - Moses the Black 17:00 - Why Fat Joe changed his number 34:00 - Omar tells a Fat Joe story 38:00 - Star-studded household with Keisha Spivey from Total 43:30 - Most iconic performances by Black actors 48:30 - 5 albums that inspired Omar Epps [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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By the way, my brothers, whoever got the number, the new, don't do it. I'm ready to block you no matter how much I love you. Yo, y'all see what, y'all see what happened? They got the Netflix deal. Joe, where Hollywood on it? He switched his number. He switched his number on them, y'all.

What up, y'all? This Joe Crack the Dawn. You know who it is, your boy Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. Shout out to Netflix. We crushing y'all, niggins. When you think of today's guests, hold on, that was Netflix.

They called me. When you think of today's guests, you think of a cult classic, a part of a cult classic in every era. You think of long range. You think of chops. You think he can play a police officer. He can play a detective.

He can go undercover. He can play a college basketball star. He can play a doctor. He can play anything. If you around our age, you grew with him. He's a DJ, uh. A great family man. He could play a DJ.

Fucking icon living legend. I've seen him in the hallway on tour in the dressing room, kicked it with them, you know what I mean? Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Omar. You know, Omar, you're one of them guys, man. There's not enough to say about you because just like me and Kiss, we grew up watching you on the movie screen

for all of our careers. So it's just, it's no way to roll it out perfectly because we would be here for like a fucking day. just explaining, you know, your contributions to the culture in the game. Right. But definitely, I grew up with y'all. Appreciate that. From success, CDs, all of that, you know what I mean? So we was all in that generation.

We was all coming up together. Kids with dreams. You know what I'm saying? New York, born and bred. You know what I mean? We covered all the bases. The show, right, to me, is almost like, like a sitcom.

So I told him the other day when he didn't have fluidity, he was under the weather. I was like, yo, you know, Netflix just started a podcast thing. And I,

and big up everybody, but I watched all the other podcasts a little 15 minutes. They ain't got the fluid. They ain't got Omar F. See a fucking shining in a 3B suit with a set with a dick.

I looked at all of them. And there's some great people on there, but I'm hoping that you're random customer don't got nothing to do on Netflix and they love podcasts and the one time they go, boom. They know, yo, this shit

like the Martin show. Y'all, y'all killing them. I think I heard you more. I've been watching y'all from the top and I think one time you said, like, yeah, like the honeymoon is now, it's like the I couple. It's the I couple. It's like the I couple.

You know what I'm saying? It's like the odd couple. Because, you know, we know y'all. Like I said, we grew up with yours. I was like everybody else. I'm like, I'm like, how's that going to rock?

You know what I mean? And y'all just, you just can't beat it. It's so organic. It's so authentic. You know what I mean? And it's just to have these conversations and we all don't seem so much.

Like, been around so many different moments that, you know what I mean? It's the show is so. This guy like Jay Reid, man, he shoot me every show. When I go home and watch the repeat like you, I said,

Mother fuck it is God. Don't snipe me for the... You get that on the way off. You iconic for the fact your skill and your ability to be on screen and, you know, the roles you arranged. But you got to work with LL. You got to work with Pock.

What was them days filming juice? Like, I was Baja. Filming Juice was incredible, man. I was 17. Fresh out of high school. He was wearing these. I was wearing nose Yeah

13% Yeah No No No He was wearing 40 below Yeah But you know

But you know again Like In the sense It happened so fast That it It was hard to To take in The magnitude of

But I will say I felt Something Special in the sense Of The film The characters Those moments

Was speaking to me I was living that I felt like Oh yeah It's like It's on the block So it just felt like I would go see this. You know what I mean?

And just like pop, it's funny because it's like not funny, but like this is, he wasn't the Tupac, everybody, no. He was just pop. He was like, he was too much after that move. He was, but he was like, oh, that's my man. And like, you know what I mean? He's cooking up. He's doing the music thing,

spitting verses in the trailer. But he was him. I was like, you know, that dude got, he got something different. I mean, and then L. it's LL I'm sitting there I'm like that's crazy like we're just sitting down

chopping up just talking and just giving me you know business knowledge and things of that nature and we you know

it's interesting now you've got all these lists and this and this that and it's just like yo you never seen

like oh I think people don't realize how young he was when he started when he started Wigs and just

teenage and Bieber facts I say that all the time he gets mad at me he's my idol one every time The first artist on death to him, and he's still going strong and fucking powerful and active as ever. But what I'm saying to you is I'm a couple of years older than you.

And I was outside. I'm a couple of years older than you. And I was outside. And I never seen L.L. Cool Jail Jays. Well, I seen Big Daddy Kane. I seen all of them. You couldn't even see L.L. Cool Jank. He was like Justin B.

He popped off so young. Nas used to be like that for me. It took me mad years. Nas. I didn't see Knott. Nah, I was with Nah. When Nas started, I started with him. It took me.

I've been in, bummy hotels with Nas. I've been in bummy hotels with Nas talking about, yo, that you think you. Lodge used to be like, yo, we ever seeing the money, God? I'm like, yo. You were el-matic. Don't worry, it's going to come. He was like, yo, God. Like, you ain't no fluid.

in this La Quinta Inn. Nah, I was seen. Nah, what about Kisinae played ball? She had two for that. She had two for that movie. Yeah, she had to. We was training and all that,

working with these coaches. You know, to hit a shot when the lights is on is hard. Yeah. I mean, the gym is easy. But when it's like, you know, if we were really filming in high schools and all that,

you know, we know how crowds are, the ball game. You know, care if it's take 23. Y'all, they... You know what I mean? It's like, yo, we're filming something here. Yeah. Supposed to miss.

They... Classic dog. Yeah. How about the wood? How was that? Paul's filming that. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole pause.

Now it's 2026. That's... You got to do a pause for the kill you. I wasn't... You got on the title of the movie? Nah, that shit, pause. Yeah, they're going to get Englewood. Yeah, how was it filming in Englewood?

Englewood. Still, Paul. That's right. Englewood's a non-baws. Yeah. But the wood, I think that was like a mature version of like the brotherhood. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, they were still from the mud, but like doing different things. And I think it was a dope depiction of that version of brotherhood. And that was fun, man. I had a lot of fun. You got, you did about seven, eight years on house. Yeah, as a doctor. How is that?

Because when you get to house and stuff like that, they not cast. Type casting you. But that's a big part of the reason I wanted to do house is because I'm like, they're not going to see this coming. Because I was aware, or at least in my mind, I'm like, they probably see me like this. They think I can only do this.

I'm going to go make this left right here and bring us with me. I mean. Like when I first did house, the one, when I was first meeting with him,

I was like, yo, it's like, yo, is anything you want to the character you like this

that in the other than you know, and I was like, I want him to keep the tattoo in the hand. Oh,

because he's from rough and tumbling all of this. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. But it was for little kids that looked like us,

it was like a dog whistle to them. Like, yo, you could have the white jacket too. Because the power

of imagery is, is different from the power of, like voice, like audio. You know what I'm saying? Like, art is so powerful, man. What we do, I feel like we brutes and be sages,

but like, you know, listening to a song, a fighter before the fight, like, yo, it's getting them amp or the ball player before the game or, you know, when we listen to a song, we're sad, it puts you in a certain mood. You can hear a song and smell your grandmother cooking and the, you know what I mean?

Like, these type of things. So what we do, we need, we know the, power of it and the younger generation need to know that it's not disposable, it's not just for the dollar. You know what I'm saying? It's much more powerful than that. No doubt. You know, it's crazy because my mother, she passed away recently.

If she was alive right now, she'd be right by the TV listening to the temptations and the OJs and all that. And I ain't been able to listen to that kind of music since she passed because it just automatically puts you in that space where I've been like, you know what I'm saying? My wife tried to throw that shit on. the other day. I was like, yo, I ain't ready to hear that shit right now. But you will be one day, but you said

you ain't ready. But you see what I'm saying? Like, we be so caught up in the hustle, the business of it. But it's a whole other side to this thing that the reason why we all got in, why I really spoke to us, motivated us from when we young, like

I, and then you find you got a lane with that thing. You know what I mean? I'll tell you what. I've been doing this 30 years. It's just a blessing. me tell you something. You look great. Thank you. Your wife's our sister. What is the skin remedy from you guys

because you shit looking brand new balls? Thank you, man. You, your wife is a different fluidity. Are y'all like wake up every day and do Pilates together? They got a special shave butter. Do you y'all do Pilates and yoga in the house?

Everybody's like, what's going on? Taking care of self for me. You know, listen, wife, man, just being happy. Being happy and got a beautiful family, beautiful kids, you know what I'm saying? In a constant state of gratitude

and, you know, just take care of ourselves. Let's get to the new movie. Moses the Black. Yeah, Moses is Black. Man, I'm excited about this. It's a story about a man who comes to an impasse of his life

where he realizes he has to become the thing that he's seeking. And that's the character. I play a moment. and he gets out of prison and he realizes something has to change. He has to become the change and it's juxtapolds against the story

of, the true story of Moses the Black, the Ethiopian, who was the same and how their stories parallel. So the Moses of the Black from the 4th century, he was the real Robin Hood. He was a super gangster. You know what I mean? And then he had a

moment where he shifted and went on to evolve to a point to where he's a saint. Like, you go in churches around the world. They got the picture of the Ethiopian man, along with all the other saints that we know, right in it.

So it's kind of like how their stories is running parallel. You know, it's different. It's different. What was it like working with Cuevo? That was dope, man. Cuevo was dope. Whiz, skill of babies. Yeah, still.

You know, the thing is, like, for us, again, when I say, like, storytellers, people always, oh, rap, and this. I'm like, you know, storytellers. It's just a different. format. You know what I mean? And it's the type of project that I feel like everybody that was there would be there for the right reason. So they

were open to the process. You know what I'm saying? So it was just dope to see them do their thing. You know, like Wiz has done some stuff before, but some of them were just getting feet wet, but that's not a poor, right? Because I know, yeah, super poor. Feed wet is cool. Are you sure? Are you sure? Should I throw a play? No, no. You know, I started in this arena. I was like, y'all, I don't play that poor shit.

Now, you know, the poorest king throwing flags every 10 seconds. It's just a strength. It's fun as a game, but we can't do that. Like, guys, come on, guys. It's just the English language, my good. You know, they do it. It's just, I really, shout out to Cam. Shout out to everybody that started it.

I really never want to play it, but sometimes some of the things people say it's like, it comes from the heavens above. It's like, Jesus crazy. Oh, my God, you can't see. It's a lot of, it's a lot of lyrics from back of the days. Oh, tell me about it.

I'm just saying if you want to go to that, it'd be a whole, you know. No, you can, it would be never in. Go to that. Yeah, it's never in. If you do your research, it can go on and on and on No, no, that's crazy. If you go to the back in the day's lyrics,

but the culture don't change, the slang changes. So let me ask you to tell you. Ooh, baby, I like it, bro. Is that like a pause, like mania? I say, that's just like crazy. We just knew ODB was crazy.

So that went perfect with his persona. But in fairness, anybody like it wrong. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact of my own. That's really from somewhere in the Bible is reworded. That's it.

They just put it different. You know, the actors and the industry and shout out my sister Tiana. She called me yesterday. Shout out. She got you. She got you. You got you. You see how your brother?

Yeah, come on, man. Don't do. that she got your fluidity you know what I'm saying the guy over here the guy over here I'm like if I go to CBS I got them with

I swear to God they think I got Jada does that happen to you now in the street they think I got Jada kiss with me I'm in the CVS I can be in the yo where's Jada

where's Joe out journal fucking smokes cigars bringing them everywhere I'm like yo bro he's home he's doing this thing like what are asking for what that came up

wait if I ever call you on FaceTime I charged them. Five thousand. You want to see Joe? You, you'll call out you. There's somebody right there that gave me five rats.

I changed my number for the first time in 30 years. Not because I was getting threats and nothing like that. What happened to me was I had friends that I truly love, that I loved, that I grew up with and stuff like that,

still had my number. And any time they would call me at any time of the day and it's always face. time be like, yo, I told you he's here. I hate that shit. Like, no, no. It's a pet peeve. Like, by the way, my brothers, whoever

got the number, the new don't do it. I'm ready to block you no matter how much I love you. I don't know. Y'all see what? Y'all see what happened? They got the Netflix deal. Joe, we're Hollywood on it. He switched his number. He switched his number on them, y'all.

That's not what I'm saying. No, I figure out. What I'm saying is Don't FaceTime nobody with no surprises. Chef Mark, my brother, one of my truest friends, my best friends in the world. Don't go to the random restaurant and bring out the chef on the app. I might be topless. Yo. You know.

That's flat. You know. Hey, though. Don't listen. That's flat. Listen. You know, Puerto Rican's real top. You caught any of your Puerto Rican homies in the house.

They never got a shirt on. Even when I call them, I'm keeping it real with you. They're topless, right? So, but, yo, chef. What is that? You know, it's like one of my best friends on earth. When I ain't have a dollar, he, you know, he's always been there for me. I love him at death, but your chef, stop.

Like, y'all got to stop calling me with, yo, I don't want that. That's one thing. I'm not. The face sounds being truasive. I feel you on that, depending. Yeah, that ain't. It's a thing like that. Just call me like it.

What is it? You're on the side of the road with it. Don't FaceTime. It should be less than something. FaceTime is great, but at the same time, it eliminates the mystery, right? Like, it's like, you can't disappear no more like that, right? Right?

You could have disappeared, right? You could have told somebody, yo, I'm in Miami. You can be down the block. They can't see you, right? I was like, yo, my man, what's up with the palm tree? Like, they know. That's why you can't all that location.

You could fake it, though. Go right by the speaker. I mean, Kerkoo. With a white background. That's crazy. That's the one thing my wife hates about the set is the fake palm trees. Every time she bought to see me like, man, I'm fake palm trees. I be like, your mom, we need some fluidity.

It's a motherfucker. Could we get so real one? It's a field. My shit is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Don't fix it. We out here. He complimented the set when he came. You're like, yo, this, you know,

this, this, what's the same to you, man? Nah, I don't want to go bad. Oh, my ass came in and looked clean and all that. Don't, don't. This joint is the executive. You know, I'm crazy, man. Y'all strike a man.

This executive would do is about 50? Yeah, yeah. By 50 myself, oh, weird. Black excellence, for real. That's beautiful. What is. It's breaking stress. One of my, one of my questions was black Hollywood in, like, the 90s.

What was that? like out there who was coming up and I mean anybody you could think of me you know the friends the car fox it was a beautiful time you know what I'm talking about like you know it was so much love back in the day everybody had a little beef or whatever but it was I just remember so much love back in the day

unity what unity like real unity like everybody was just fed Joe in the early's was in the Quameh video. They called me up and be like, yo, come, I come. Talk about the other kind of you. I'm just saying I was, bro, when I came in the game, it was about love. It was about everybody jumping in everybody's video,

everybody loving each other, supporting each other and this. And somewhere where he's trying to say, I could tell you a hip-hop, it all started when people actually started making money. That's when that ego turned into like, yo, I'm better than you, I'm bigger than you, my shit bigger. Our crew is more rugged. As soon as they started handing over that bag,

I watched the nicest pedestrians turn into gangbangers, all type of things. I'm like, oh, this shit crazy. That's like, I guess it's a part of the process, right? I think when the bag comes into anything, then you get to see, you know, keep characters, you know, people got to give them. them a chance to grow and evolve too.

Because it's something you speak about a lot and I'm like, I can really relate to that. Like I've been around, I've seen, I was young. So a lot of the older heads don't remember. That was me, the quiet kid in the corner. I've seen you do that. I've seen this, I've seen that and I'm just taking notes the whole time. And I've seen people talk to certain people

or treat people a certain way look up in four years. They run in that company. And they treat me greasy. and you wondering why and I'm sitting there like that's probably because you used to shit on that person or whatever the case so it's just you know

you learn living you learn in all you know for the younger generation they bag is it's almost like it's not fit it's like in sports right we're happy for them but it ain't fair but I'm saying it ain't

we happy for them but it ain't fair it ain't fair to them because if you coming in 18 19 I mean, you know, too much money. Like, when you're doing 500 a show,

700 this show, you, you're like, you could feel the weight of what you're earning. If somebody just come off top, like, yo, there's a hundred mill.

You see, you're a teenager or whatever. You need, your parents don't even know what to do. You need some other. You need some other. You know what I mean? We got that lineage,

we never had that. We could play Moses Black. But we wasn't, you would go back a hundred years to see if somebody in my family got money. They ain't never get money like this or how that. Like, so this is all learning while you're growing.

Right. You know, and with me, I had a lot of, like today. I cut somebody off. They had somebody after you a guest. I watched the shit. It was an amazing story. I found out he was a rat. I said, yo, he can't come up here on this couch.

That there can't come in here. Hey. He just can't. You can't come on this couch. You got more rules. For my fluidity, right? But what I'm saying to you is this is years of developing

these characters and going through mistakes and flaws and this. We ain't know nothing. You know what I'm saying? But you know the beauty, Joe, not the country, that we gave ourselves the chance to evolve and to learn these younger generation. They cutting themselves with the needs.

It's like getting to this stage, It's a legible. It's a blessing. It's a blessing. It's a blessing. You know what I mean? Every single day. I don't know again.

That's real. Every single day we wake up, we call each other. You, thank God we got another day. Right now at this point, Highway Robin. Right. So my wife and my daughter went out last night, and I stood home by my, by the way, it feels good being home by yourself sometimes. It's shit is incredible.

He's doing it. Male, female, I don't know. this shit, I go pause. Did you cut the new chair? Hold up. I got the new chair. Yo, listen, I got a new massage shit.

It's so expensive. Don't try this at home. But I bought the motherfucker and I went up in there, right? You went with me, man. But listen, what I'm saying is, I like taking bath, so I've got the big jacuzzi.

I'm by myself. I'm playing, I want to thank you. It's a pause moment. That's why. He pre-pour. He threw the flag early. Let's just get it out the way. Let's get him out the way.

Guys, now you can tell the story in peace. We had to throw the flags. He already heard the bath. Melissa Morgan. Playing that shit up on there. Someone to thank you. Then I'm just looking at little shit like the light bulbs. And the fucking marble with the, and I'm just like, God.

Wow. Thank you. This is like fucking a minute. like you said, we always chasing the check work, and we barely home then, George. And I'm looking at the light bulbs. That's real. This is great.

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Listen to Charlie's Place on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. It's amazing, man, to get to that point and still be trying to grow. Oh, yeah. And still, it's a lot of stuff. Like, fat, Joe. I don't want to interview myself. They say, yeah, Joe, do too much. But I had to work on myself.

I was a really bad guy, like a really bad guy, and they knew it. And so they were scared of me. This whole fucking industry was terrified. And so what they do when they terrified of a guy, they block your blessings. And they're like, why would you, it's the same thing in the drug game. I'm the connection. I'm El Chapo.

I got a guy who's a nice guy who's nonviolent, who always turns his money in time. Now, I got another guy who might kill me for these bricks. Why would I want to make him powerful and feed him when I can keep dealing with

all right, so we can deal with fat Joe or you could deal with Lupe Fiasco. But you know what those jokes? But you know what though, Joe? You always had a good heart. I'll tell you a story that you probably don't even remember. I don't know. Speak on it, God.

God bless when Pun have her. Steve Rifkin called me one day you was on the phone. He called me like, you got to talk to him. You got a very, you know, sensitive moment.

He was just like, yo, you know what to say and I'm like, all right. We got on the three. Yo, you was really feeling it. We devastated.

You talked for a minute or whatever, but I was just like, damn. And I told you, I was like, yo, in a way, kind of like humanized, like hip-hop.

like human stuff can happen to it. Because we all grew up. We all like, we thought every rap is a superhero. Like literally. Like I heard y'all talk about this on there, but I'm like, yo, as a little kid, nah, we really thought that. You know what I'm saying? And so something like health and things of that nature,

and I remember me and you was talking about that. I only say that to say, you always had a good heart. You might have, you know, do some things here and there, but I think that's why you continue to get blessed. You know what I'm saying? Because your, your heart was. kind of like always in the right place. You follow what I'm saying?

Yeah. So, yeah, thank you, man, for that. Yeah, I got a good heart, huh? Let me tell you something. Yeah, my heart was always in the right place, even when I grew up in the Bronx before rap music. It was always trying to help people and look out for people, but, you know, it's a man that's about, you know,

I got a friendly past away. Older white guy, my man, Kevin Buckman, rest of peace, with Market America. And we had these conferences where we talked to like 50,000 people and motivate them and stuff like that to be entrepreneur.

So one day I sit in the back with him and we talked in there. He was like, yo, Joe, tell me how you grew up. I said, yo, Kev, you don't want to know how I grew up. He was like, no, no, no, I'm interested because he was a big coach. I said, well, I sold a lot of drugs. I said, you know,

I'm embarrassed. I'm actually ashamed of it. And he said, you shouldn't. And I said, what you mean, Cap? He said, that was your natural habitat. You did what you had to do to survive. He said, you think if I ain't grow up in them projects in the Bronx and the only way to get up out of there was selling drugs,

I wouldn't have sold drugs. This was shocking to me. He even thought like that, although we're not proud about it, but he was just like, yo, you dealt with what was thrown at you, with the cards that were thrown at you. you had to deal with that. Right. And pretty much,

that's the story of my life. I think if I grew up in a better place and shit like that, I might have been. But we always say that. Even when we look at the old heads that was legends and all of that,

we'd always be like, yo, they grew up and went to Stanford and, you know, this dude could have ran a fortune 500. You know what I mean? But he grew up in the peas over here. You know what I'm saying? I'm wearing or whatever.

And that's what it was. And they were entrepreneurs, just for the product that was available. It was there. what it was given. You actually worked harder because you got your friends trying to kill you

and come up. You got the police trying to lock you up every day. Then you got the feds giving you the long term. That's the long term. 479,000 months. So you got that.

They all be, yo, I was watching this documentary. Remember crazy Eddie? Yeah, the documentary. I'm like, yo, I remember crazy? Yo, that was crazy. Ruses is insane.

Yeah, they was insane for real. It was a whole operation where he was moving shit. Him, Michael, milking, like, all these dudes, it's like, yo, they, you know, when they come to the black and brown community, they always try to put this stigma on us, but it's like when you turn the light on other communities, anybody doing the same thing. You know what I'm saying?

We just got to control. We just be styling on themselves. How was it big time managing a household with you a superstar actor and your wife? a superstar singer part of a superstar group down with a superstar label. Yeah, man,

wifey, man, that's my world right there. We've been down so long as far as like knowing each other and growing together and everything like that. So starting a family is just kind of like she's, to me, more beautiful on the inside than the album.

That's what count. And so to be able to have her family with her. Face is noise for that. You live in that little town? They told us about a little town in Georgia. Who? That wasn't you?

Who? Damn, what was it? Somebody, Pam? But one of them told us they live in the Alphina, Georgia. Oh, no, no, no. Now, we out on the West Coast. Oh, man. That's right where it started.

I want to live in a little town one day. You're not going to fit. Like big jacuzzi, big shit. I'll get that on the way home. Yeah, that was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. the fucking snitling.

Right in my face. I get that on the way home. This thing's crazy. I've always dreamed of like, you know, when we go on tour and we drive the buses all over, I'd be like, damn, I would like to live in some shit like this.

Nah, you want to have a, you might have a spot there, but listen, we city kids through and through. It is, really, right. You know what I bought a house and fucking this shit is crazy. I bought a house with, when I first moved to Miami.

I start hanging out with all these football players. And the football players, they live out west and plantation acres.

And he got big ass houses. I mean, my house was big. And them next door neighbor's shit was three times bigger than my.

Every guy on the block was a football player, right? So people riding horses and shit. I'm coming from New York. You know what I'm saying

with the New York fluidity. I thought that's what I wanted. When I went there, man, middle of the night, you hear the you got fucking possees

of raccoons. I'm going to shut the raccoons. Possies, Nick. Scully's on the door. Come in. Like, yo, gang in on the window. I'm like, yo, get the fuck. They're like, yo, my man.

Like, yo, raccoons ain't scared of nobody. Yeah, raccoons. She's going to bang on and shit, do whatever you. Listen. Yo, raccoons with scullies. Yeah. That's crazy. I'm just trying to tell you the...

In Miami. They did not... They could at some... Your motherfuckers don't give a fuck. Like, I'm banging on the window. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yeah. They're not scared. They'll go in your garbage right in front of you.

It is called plantation. They're a fucking dollars. You didn't think about that? No, but you know, in Florida, people have, like, animals. Like, animals, they're not supposed to have. Florida. Wow.

Bigot barter. Wait, I'm mad. Them niggas just going. E. A, yeah, y'all, y'all. Yeah. I'm like, you, what the f- is got a camel fucking or something?

This shit out of control. Like, I'm scared to death. The only good thing about Florida, I got the Tony Martin. Y'all, I was waiting for somebody. He's coming out. I had the big shit. The metro.

Say a load of my nought of my stupid dumb. Them shit. Man, somebody tried to. a break in that front door, I just couldn't wait, guys. I got this. And all you guys that live in the legal gun state all got one of them shits by the door, wait for somebody to walk up in that bitch. I'd be like, boy, they come up there.

Terminated 2, not clear. I can't wait. Right now. Write the bell. That was right now. Terminator 2. Come in. Feet you all your fucking swimmer. Who shit? Yeah, but, you know, I mean, it was an experience.

But I always say I wish I could live in like a little town. Yeah, yeah. I like visiting. But, you know, unless I'm on like Allen somewhere, like when I travel the world, that's when I'd be like, man, I have to pick up anything. Plus, my son and we're a senior high school, so we're about to be empty nesters. Ah. So I'm already like, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Ready. You know what I mean? We could fly out of work. Where is a nest. Yeah, I'm ready. The island is nice. As far as the bag. I know that's always lovely and a plus

But you still Do you have that same passion About acting? For sure Because it never leaves you And evolving You know Deuce and writing

I'm gonna direct one day You know Just evolve and getting into the other parts of it Not just you know In front of the camera When I am in front of the camera It's really something that I want to do It's really how I want to spend my time

And I feel like In front of the camera Yeah In the actor Yeah, being an actor. And it's, you know, the artist forever. This is a crap, I think, well, much like, you know, writing, I think you get better in time because you live more. You got more rain.

You know what I mean? So, you know, I'm excited about this next chapter. What are some of the black actors' most iconic scenes? That's a dream. King Kong got shit off. I can't for a joke. Nobody's ever asked for that question. question ever.

I can't front. So the first scene, I'm thinking, Sidney 40, it was basically the first time seeing the black man smack a white man on camp. Damn, I've seen that on a clip. I seen that in the heat of the night, I believe, yeah. Yeah, it was just so jarring. You never seen that before.

But that's also my acting hero. since then what you know what rest in peace trying to think of that it's so many scenes and do the right thing I like we are four of them I mean that was a great question yeah that was a great question but that's the first one that comes in mind yeah that was some of the actors

hold up what's one of the most iconic scenes did you recall this same question for you Kane's grandfather Do you care whether you live or die? I don't know. Look at his face.

You can't, you know, your man, your man always got, you know, your man always got a revolve. Your man always got a revolve. How is he looking at me, though? No, that was like, is it? That was amazing. My scene would be anybody looked at me. anybody said something

yeah anybody ever has some hated jealousy fateful I'm gonna kill these yo that shit man to the you know like that

that's good yo I feel like that like in real life that that was very powerful that was very powerful that was very powerful that's a great

great question we really skated past juice, we didn't give it enough phrase. But to me, juice, and that's why I said we don't want to typecast you,

whatever the case may be, you, Jung Hood, but that's an illmatic. That movie to me is like such an illmatic, a classic. You can watch it.

It's timeless. You watch it whenever it comes on and whatever you catch it, you can watch it. You know, it's the illish shit with that, the guy at the end. he started working for BET.

So every time we go to the BETT Awards, I see him at the end and tell him, you got their juice now. The thing's been looking. They're like, oh, shit, that's really you. I met Tupac shortly after that. But I met Tupac from Jutes. I didn't meet that pop.

Did you the underground and coming up after the juice? You met with a little bit of Bishop. That man, boy, I tell you, I was there. Big Daddy King confirmed the story. I'm in the crowd. Biggie and Pot come in there. This is Quay Garden together. But they come through the back, through the crowd.

They're not coming through back. They walk through the crowd. And the man was full flesh juice too pop. He was walking through that crowd like, he was like, yo, it's pot. He was walking through like pot. Like, and Biggie with him. And that's when they do that.

I got seven Mac 11s about eight. That shit. That's legend. Legend. I mean, it's ill because, like, the kids don't understand, like, before social media. They can't even comprehend. They don't understand, like, the magnitude when you say, like, coming to or whoever.

I got so many memories of people like that. That's the only time you saw them. So to see somebody in person. Only one hard drive. People went crazy bananas. Like, all the video, what are you? Michael Jackson back in the days people. It was like that, but for us, you know what I mean?

They don't understand that. I mean, the crowd, Chewbach Chaccault walked in like the juice. Yeah, the scully like that. He was dressed just like Kissed right now and was walking in like, and I'm, even me, I knew him. I'm looking like, yo, that shit. You know, we know, you know what's crazy is my brother DJ Callie. You know, one day I'm in the back, y'all. I mean, your caliber.

God bless you, Calibur. I don't even know how to explain this shit to you, right? But I'm in the backyard with him. He said, you know, Joe, you're a star and this and this and that. He said, but it was nothing like watching you walk in with big pun. He said, you walking in with big pun, both of you are together? He said that shit was like super. superheroes walking.

See, yo, man, y'all two used to walk in like Joe and Pond. You know what I'm saying? Certain people got that presence. You know, where you got that superhero presence. Yeah. You know, I don't want to say five,

but give me five albums. That inspired you. Yeah, yeah, artists and an album. Oh, yeah. It ain't got to be the top five. It doesn't start. Her boot tape. Well, I don't know.

It's not his. That's yours. beloved. This dog is your throat. I don't like the five and the three. You kind of got to do errors. Yeah, I'm saying top five. You got to do like errors.

I think errors is more fit. Because like the first time, I remember the first time I heard, ain't no half stuff on the radio. The first time I heard that beat, I wanted to jump through the wall. We never heard nothing like that. It was like, what is that? You know what I mean?

And then by the time, A video came out and all it is. Tell you something. Video music box. I was for hire. Right. I was for hire. I was a terrible guy

and I grew up with violence. And if you wanted people beat up whatever you were. Mercenary, Joe? Yeah, you come pick up Fat Joe and me. Right? Real talk. Mercenary Joe.

That's the name of the movie. They come. That's it. They come and say Fat Joe, I'm going to buy you three. Repair Jordans and the Pellet, I need you to put in this work. And I would jump in the up there and they say the guy with the red shirt, anything in the world, I jump out there like clash of the type.

That's what I did. Right? First guy I met. I'm not saying a hip man. Let's eliminate that. One day, my reputation got out there so much. And he's my brother. This guy named Scarface Steve, he's the first kingpin I ever met.

And so he came in my block looking for me at the Cherry Red 300 with the wide body kit. And the reason I'm telling you this story is I'm a bum, okay? Like I don't know if these people understand. I'm a bum. I was tough, but I had $2 in my pockets. If that, might have been one, right? So he comes pick me up. You know, you're thinking he's changing your life.

That's like E.F. Hutton of some shit, right? So he pulled up, yo, Fat Joe, yeah, yo, getting the call. I'm looking at the whole project the block like, yo, this nigga can't get me in this fucking cherry red bass. And I locked the door. He had a white popped out of the group. And the shit just said, on and on and on. Ain't no half stepping. And the knees start driving north.

You know how the dog gets. be in the car where they be having their head for the wind. I got my face out of that window. Hey, I made them drive me 10 times around the project. Oh, they know. Right? No.

Yeah. Man, that's your sake. That shit changed my life right there, man. Shout out to Steve, man. Because you're a 50. Oh, shit. Listen, that ain't no half-stepping. It's joints like that.

You're right. It's, Everett's. It's a big night and the other album. Woo! Oh my goodness.

Talking about it the other day. When I was talking about it yesterday, midnight Marauders album, same thing. Yo,

we drove around, we drove back to Queens. It's like one in the morning we hit daylight just back to back to just listening to the album.

Yo, this is the most incredible, you know, moments like that, the music just, just the music

and the, people making the music. You understand what I'm saying? The artist that's driving it. What we're doing for not only ourselves and our family, but what we're doing for this culture that we were bestowed, sort of passed on to us. You know what I mean?

And I think, you know, we're still in it, but we left it in great shape from the jungles. Yeah. Because they wanted it up right now. Crazy. Yeah, they just got to come outside to the yard. But listen, yo, kiss, listen, you ever went to somebody's neighborhood? Like, you love an artist and you had to go there?

Like, you didn't know them yet. Rap is, and you was like... No, I wasn't one that. I'm niggas. I'm coming to you all the way up there. I wasn't to the... Maybe the Mount Virgin, see if you see have or something. I wasn't...

I drove... I drove... Hopefully, I drove... See you in Fordham on Concourse or so. Not real shit. We wasn't, our shit was four. Our shit was like 1.25th,

145th. Jew man. Fordham. That was the Stint. Then it was like Paran Bronx. You guys are like connected

to the Bronx. Like Yonkers is like a part of the Bronx. It's connected, literally. Yeah, yeah. I know. You go after the Bronx you keep going,

it's Yonkins. Yeah. I never forget. I had my man. He was running the Bronx. He's in jail, 46 years. But he lived. His crib was on the low yonkers.

Man, I fucked up, man. We did, uh, it was the Source Awards. The Source Awards were Shug Night Dispuff Daddy and all that shit. And I'll cast one. So I gas the nigga. He had the new 500 bends. It was like, yo, pull it out. He was like, nah, Joe, this stuff.

I mean, the big shit that pun used to, but I'm in talking about a year, for someone seemed one humanly possible. And I was gassing the nigga. Yo, we got to pull up. So on some words. Yo, man, we got on that highway. We crashed that fucking bends on the way to that fucking that nigga

wanted to kill me. Paralyzation. Yo, fat boy. You made me crash this shit. Because it was like, you know, it's almost like a road, like, you know, that shit like you driving a boat. Them Joyce was heaven.

Nobody had them shit. This shit was only that, if you had a 300, you was the man. Hey, man, the 500 big body shit, shit crashed up on the side of that shit from your... Oh, my God. I thought he was going to kill me. Then we had to go and get a regular car and just go to the Sorcer Awards that day. But that shit, you know, I remember gasing them.

You know, hey, it's good to know that you have different levels of that life. You know what I'm saying? You got to always remember those things when you had to cast your man to jump at his whip and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? That's a big deal, right? I'm pulling up for Source Awards. I'm like, yo, she's going to be crazy, man. We need to fight.

Man told me 30. Never made it. Boy. That's what it was. Never would have made it. Never would have made it. We fought out. Where can they catch Moses the Black?

Moses in theaters. Let's go, man. Let's get your ass out of your crib. Go to the theaters. Pay for some tickets, you know what I mean? Support our people. How soon until it gets in, like, the streaming apps and on... By the time this episode comes out, it's in theater.

No, it's in theaters. Yeah. I'm going to go to the app shortly. They got to see these guys, yo, we got a hard out. Yeah. This shit right here got to come out because the movie out, because that shit will be in the Tap of Z Bridge before you know this shit. Yeah, no.

It is... You guys right here. But go to the theater. You know, we talk about the theater is it's about the experience. You know what I mean? It's going to see not only with your peoples, but people you don't know,

y'all reacting to the same person. You know, I'm two months straight, no cause. You see me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the theater get me back into that Diet Coke, that popcorn.

You got to have to glissy. Oh, you know the shit. Yeah. You get popcorn, no butter. Yeah, But it's a car. You know, I ain't been fucking a car. It is not.

But, yo, the movie theater, we need everybody to go in there to the movie theater. Moses the Black, man. You wanted that Marty Supreme, and you're going to all that other shit. Yeah. We need you. All right, before we leave,

I know it's time for you to go, but how proud are we of Tiana Taylor, man? Incredible. Incredibly proud, man. Tiana, you know, she from the town, but she is ridiculously talented. she always has been and it's just so dope

to see her get her just do and get these opportunities because she only getting started you know what I mean she's looking like Viola Davis and all under me now and she's young she young so I'm like you know I feel like

she's moving AI it's only one of her it's just dope to see her get her just do and get those opportunities and because she she She's hitting home runs every time. So salute with Tiana.

We're proud of you. We're proud of her, too. Yo, this ain't that? That ain't this. Cracking kiss. Make some noise for all my abs blade. Thank you. Real.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for pulling up in six-degree weather. Oh, cool. Shit, real out there. It ain't nice. Stigatz here.

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