Joe and Jada - Remy Ma talks Remy Network, Fat Joe’s stories, Jada’s Gemini energy & the clout-chasing epidemic

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Remy Ma. Remy breaks down launching the Remy Network and giving independent creators a real platform, tells Jada the art of decoding Joe’s stories, and explain...s that after 20 years since the release of her debut album ‘There’s Something About Remy: Based On A True Story’ she feels like it’s time to wake up the female rap game again. The three longtime friends also talk about how clout-chasing has reached new levels during the social media era, Joe reveals the eye-popping bag Charlamagne finessed with his network, Remy confronts Jada for not putting her in his top five of female emcees, and Remy tells hilarious stories about Fat Joe being the godfather to her daughter. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! Merch is here! https://joeandjadashow.com/ All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:17 It's so funny because I hear people say it now. Say that slow. Say that slow. People don't want what you give them. They want what you got. So you can give them in the house. That's how it. Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all?
Starting point is 00:02:43 This is Joe Crack, the Dawn. You know who it is, your boy Jada. It's the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. Poundic, pal, pal. When you think of today's guests, you got to think of bars. You got to think of rest in peace, my brother, pun.
Starting point is 00:03:03 You got to think of a great mother. Always got to put that first. You got to think of somebody that's, Very outspoken, but has a good heart. You got to think of somebody with resilient. You got to think of somebody that they counted out and doubted, and she came back even stronger. You got to think of somebody who has her own network.
Starting point is 00:03:28 You got to think of somebody that's very passionate about a certain cloth of hip-hop, and she makes sure that she represents that very, Well, that thing about somebody that's been in the tabloys for the past few months just going crazy. Like two years. Years. Excuse me, two years. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for the queen.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Ramby, Ma. Glad I could be here, guys. What's up, sis? A lot of people was like, yo, we thought Rem would have been here. We wanted to get closer to the 100 episode mountain. stone before we started bringing the locks and bringing you because that's just the Cheeco. We actually was going to do you, you in the locks together.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I know. I was waiting for the smoke. I got super smoke yourselves. I had it all mapped out. Yeah, we was going, we had, that's what was the original plan was that bring. I was stuck in Miami for stuff. What was it? Yeah, it was a snowstorm.
Starting point is 00:04:37 The snowstorm messed everything up. You seen the plane crash in the, you know, I was in the Guaddi of that. day driving through the plane shit. Oh, tell me you jumped through the fire. He was the only one to me. Fuck, it is going on. See, no, no. You call it cap on
Starting point is 00:04:56 a real one. No, I'll... Yo, Ram, come on, let's go, Ram. Don't let this guy. Because I be watching, y'all. I watch y'all, you know? And I feel like my brother gets a lot of... He gets a lot of flag because people just don't be
Starting point is 00:05:08 understanding how he tells stories. We spoke one time, right? In the beginning of the show. Jayda, he's a Gemini like me. So I had to explain to him how I've been able to maneuver with this guy and get a word in, you know, throughout the year. You notice he's able to talk a little bit more now. He picked it up.
Starting point is 00:05:26 I said, you have to, first thing you have to do is understand that Joe Matt. If Joe sets, he was at the club, he came out, and there was 100 niggas out there. It was like seven niggas out there. She's verified. I like this. I think 14. But it was only him. So it appeared to it felt like
Starting point is 00:05:48 it was all really a lot bigger than him. So in his mind's like, oh, they basically add up to about 100. Understand. If Joe comes in, he says, we smack the niggas chico. The guy probably is not with us anymore. Smack it. You got to understand the way he exaggerates. He just smacked the chigua.
Starting point is 00:06:08 He's being nice. And a lot of these stories I was there for, and I'd be like, nah, I really happy. Or in the beginning, there were times where he would tell me stories about people that were this big and they could hide behind a bag of course. And then you be with him.
Starting point is 00:06:21 I'm with him at a party. And the guy walks up. Bad Joe, I'm sitting there like. My God is. So some of them... His name was Nelson. Dominican Nelson. It's never a lie.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Maybe a little gladiation. A little sats soul. Just a little dobo. Because he's a story. He's a story we tell that at the same time. I appreciate you breaking down. But he doesn't lie. Joe Nomics.
Starting point is 00:06:44 He don't. He don't lie. He does not lie. So I was into the airport, your wrist player. You're always in the background, Dynasty Commoddy. Was we not on that runway? So we pay for a concierge service that the minute we get off the plane. They take us off.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I want to help you walk. They put you in the portion. They drive through the airport to your car with your bags. Delta. We was on that runway. That same day, we landed from Miami. Boom. And then we was gassing the girl.
Starting point is 00:07:22 This girl was driving us. And she was like, you know, they're very careful. And we was like, yo, cut the shit off. She was like, you see that plane's going to move. And I was like, yo, come on. Just swag around them. And she was like, oh, we can't do that. We got to wait for the plane.
Starting point is 00:07:38 And that's what the fuck happened. And LaGuardia, the plane was landing. somebody that's in the middle of that. Right. You could have been having a different interview today.
Starting point is 00:07:47 A different interview could have been the rest of the piece so, okay? She probably come out with the Fed Joe's greatest hits and shit.
Starting point is 00:07:53 Yo, I got the album to talk. I got the verses. Where's it at? Your sister, you're looking beautiful. You're shining. This Remi Network.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Yes. It's the biggest shit in the world. You got the lawyers and everything, right? Joe calls me at least once.
Starting point is 00:08:11 a week. You sure the paperwork is good, sis? You sure. Everything is, you know, people wait. When it starts blowing up, people, I'm like, yo, it's cool. I think, all right, cool. Five days later. Yeah, sister, I've noticed the Remedy Network.
Starting point is 00:08:25 I see you guys in the top app. Your paperwork is good. I'm just, like, you got to appreciate friends like that. Because now I'm calling them like, yo. That paper work good, right? No, no, you're calling you every two days. Your lawyer is a great lawyer. I have to tell him that's something that crazy.
Starting point is 00:08:39 It's not going to be good, but it's, but it's, It's been really, really, it's been an experience that I was not really expecting to enjoy and to light. I'm just like, oh, I got a network. I was trying to start my own talk show. And, you know, we were doing the Wendy show. We loved it. Everybody loved this on daytime TV. We fucked it out.
Starting point is 00:08:57 That shit. We were killing them. You see that shit? We all windy. We feel that day time. That shit feels so good. The lights are different, James, and the cameras is bigger. Giving them the pain.
Starting point is 00:09:10 This shit is a different. We was getting it. giving them pain with the, it started there. After afterwards, I'm like, you know, I was working on my solo show, and I was taking into these different platforms and the percentages that they was asking for and the portion that they were,
Starting point is 00:09:27 it was just ridiculous, because I'm like, I'm me. I'm doing everything, and I'm me. It's not like you're building a new artist, like you've seen me, when you see me in a state of the culture, you've seen me, like, you know, in the real, I've done so you know I can do it. Why am I giving me?
Starting point is 00:09:41 So I was talking to my partners, and I'm like, can I just put it on my own situation? He was like, you mean like your own network? Yeah, I'm like, no, I don't mean like my own network. But what you mean like on my own network? Like, what you're talking about? We start talking and we're going through the discussions and just kind of like you ever like had an issue with your car or something because it was so crazy.
Starting point is 00:10:03 By the time you finished, you know everything about the car. Like it was like one of those type of situation. By time I was done figuring out how the network works and how everything is, needed and to just make it be what it is. I'm like, oh, everybody has the same problem. We have all of these great young, constant creators, people of color that have, you know, podcasts. They have moved.
Starting point is 00:10:22 There's people out here shooting whole movies on their own. A whole series. That's fine. They don't have a platform or they were just putting it on the tube. And yeah, it's the tube. But unless people know to go to it, you're not going to get the view. They got to know already. So now I have this platform.
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Starting point is 00:12:04 Now, no disrespect, but besides The breakfast club I don't know what he got on this network But they said he sold the shit for 200 million Now when I did the terrorist squad deal They said 20 million
Starting point is 00:12:21 It was more like 10 million And it was like you know In time you know They all got these like projected numbers What it's gonna be Like the Fad Joe numbers You know the Fad Joe numbers No no they got the Chinese man
Starting point is 00:12:34 They got some other shit I sit down I see your Charlemagne what's up, God, he's eating breakfast. I just invite myself and shit, order some breakfast. And I said, yo, man, you know, they said 200 mil. I know it really ain't 200 mil. The man looked at me and said, oh no.
Starting point is 00:12:54 They gave me 200. That's 200. I said, it ain't projected. It ain't supposed to be. It ain't works its way out in 10 years. He said, no. They gave me 200 mil. The minute he told me that, my whole brain,
Starting point is 00:13:08 He said, Remy Network, better fucking, like, don't play that shit because you be a bet. Where's Remy? Baton Rouge, Louisiana, walking around and flip-flops talking about they sold that shit for 200 mils. She wasn't boiled up. That is why I keep
Starting point is 00:13:24 telling you, yo. Bedford Hills. She's back in Bedford. That's always keeping in contact with them. Man, I'm telling you what I tell you. I speak to a lot of people. I know how to industry work. I know how everybody inflate the numbers. They be lying, this,
Starting point is 00:13:42 this, that. I looked at the man in the eyes and I was like, yeah, you know, I'm thinking he got 20 million. You say 200 million. I'm really thinking he got 20. Like that Joe, in his house, drinking a coffee, saying he caught 20.
Starting point is 00:13:58 You know what I'm saying? When I say, yeah, you know, because the numbers don't be the numbers. He said, oh no, it was 200. I said, 200. I don't know, nothing on his network. That's it. No Remy Network, though, right? I know Remy Network.
Starting point is 00:14:14 We constantly play it in the house. And if you ain't got it, go get it. I'm just saying. It's Remy Network. She's giving everybody. So what you got to understand is you're giving everybody a chance. You're giving everybody your opportunity. Everybody who don't have the platform to put eyes on it.
Starting point is 00:14:29 I got an independent movie. I can put it on RIME. Yes. If you make a movie and let's say the movie is about a rapper that used to be a CO. and now, you know, he wants to be a bad. And you come to me and you just give me the movie.
Starting point is 00:14:45 That's your movies, not me. Like, I don't listen to, like, so whatever your movie is. Yeah, you don't tell people what kind of movies to make. Yeah. I don't even watch all the ones. Like, I literally,
Starting point is 00:14:54 I'd be over there, and I'd be on my own network, like, oh, that's movie fire. This series is crazy. But I don't, I'm not in charge. I don't curate the playlist or, you know, whatever is, whatever's there.
Starting point is 00:15:08 So any movie that you have, whatever, we give the artist, the creator, the director, wherever it is a platform and somewhere where they can display their product in the time. You know, before the Remi Network came out, I was kind of fucking with Tooby for that. I seen this show called me and the lesbian. He was sleeping with all the lesbians or some shit.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Homeboy was hit. Nah, he was getting it. And he was like, hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy, he was so lucky. He kept hitting that, knocking down the tough girls. We got to get me and the lesbians on Remedy in that.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Let's see if. Oh, no, you got to get that one. We're going to, we're going to list it as. The lesbian, homie. We're going to put it as bad. He smashed one lesbian, homie. All of them were said, that's the proper way to say it, but not just that, you know, like your friend from up north. What we call that, like, legit.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Well, it's tough girls. Like AG. So he knocked. down one. And then she told her friends, like, yo, they said, yo, but you're not gay if you hit, slept with the minute. Now they all were you like, well, you're going to know if you're gay or not. If you sleep
Starting point is 00:16:18 with somebody, they all kept coming to my man. They were like that. Bing, beam, you, John, come on. Brush your luck. I want to see if I'm fully gay or not. He was getting. He was lying. How did you sign that move? While I'm sitting on a couch, I realized
Starting point is 00:16:34 he was telling a regular random story, but nobody asked for it. He was not solicited nothing. You know, like your friend from up north, you know, like, why, what? Like, why would you do that to my friend? No, I love her. She was like that what she.
Starting point is 00:16:49 No, no, she's my people, though. I ain't looking at the office, she's the real deal. She's like, she proud of who she is. That's, I'm not. All right. We don't got to say her name. He was crazy. I didn't say her name, Jake.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And my regular friend, you know the way the internet. Oh, her friend. is my regular friend. She got her old girlfriend. Like, she's cool. Like, somewhere in you locked up and I know you're not pussy.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Was there like fucking like cocked diesel girls trying to fight you and a- With somebody, like she had more facial hair than you. Everyone. Every fight I have. Hair? They got kicks in in with bits.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Goathees. They connect them. No. How? They made them. They drew this shit on. The same way that they have, you know. Like your brain.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Hollack. We're going in. So, now, here was my thing, right? I swear to God, I was... Listen, I'm going to tell you, some of it was just a little bit, me just being me, a little bit was just a hate him
Starting point is 00:17:47 because in prison, in a women's prison, if you are a female that, that likes other females, but you look more like a guy, you're more lit. Like, so all the aggressors was lit. These girls was having their family sitting a whole package to them.
Starting point is 00:18:01 They go on a commisserie, coming in, get here, fill out the commisherher sheet. So they're sitting in there like kings. They like this. And I'm sitting here like, first of all, they're not even really into girls like that. They only mess with the, if a girl only mess with you because you look like a guy,
Starting point is 00:18:13 she's really not into girls. So that's one. Two, I really beat you the fuck up. I don't care. All that face you hear, you really not a dude, you really not a man at all. You probably got on panties right now.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Like, I'm talking to them crazy. And they used to be trying to talk like they was real men. And I had a problem with that. Like, who was talking to? So you have man fights with them? Every fight I had. Every fight, except for probably one.
Starting point is 00:18:36 with like a femme, a regular girl. Everybody else was like, because people go, I smack the shit out of everybody at this table. Oh, not me. So why you always got to say something? Because you just said you're going to smack the shit out of everybody at the table, except for me.
Starting point is 00:18:49 I just want the record to show that I'm not going to get smacked. That's it. I don't want to, I don't know if I smoke. It's not going to smack me. That's it. You know, what's crazy? They be trying, they be trying dudes inadvertently. Like, they'll be like, you know, like,
Starting point is 00:19:03 yo, homeboy y'all. Say we doing the joint. Yo, Jada ain't, you know, what that mean if you know I'm rocking with him and you're gonna, then you're trying me. You're trying to try me like, yo, my man, how about that's my man? What's up?
Starting point is 00:19:20 Because you feel you got to say so. So here me the thing. What's shaking? Like they try people like that. Here's the problem with me, right? With me, I feel like people think that I think that I can't be weak. Or I think I'm so tough. It's not that.
Starting point is 00:19:34 I just know that I'm willing to take. it to the levels that some people are not going to take it to. Like, I'm not saying that you can't beat me up. Beat me up. But when I come, that's bad cause. Like, it would be one of those things that's like, no, I'm just like her wash me because I'm tired of her. I'm tired of her pushing my grandmother in front of buses,
Starting point is 00:19:53 what she was. I'm tired of her. Like, sending kids to beat up my guard kid. That's only four years on, dick, I'm tired of her. I'm sick of her. Like, I'm not going to lie to you. I know some guys. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Well, I'm wanted. Gotta push your grandmother in front of them. No, I just can't get beat up. I'm not living with it, guys. I'm sorry. Y'all can hear Fat Joe got pounded out. Y'all can come to my house. Hey.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Hey, hey, hey. Hey. Hey. Fat Joe lost in the physical altercation. Here we go. He's turned into a scholar. Orange scholar, my name. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:20:34 If somebody called me, It was like, yo, I just heard Joe just lost a fight. Like, it was that. Like, I'm literally going to be worried. I'm going to the house. Like, I'm going to go. No, no, you can come with the mariachi. I'm calling everybody.
Starting point is 00:20:45 I'm calling the lawyers. Like, are you ready? I know guys who can't get beat up. I know guys that got beat up, disappeared for six months, came back. And, man, it's a bad day for you. So you got to even be careful on who you beat up. Because there's some guys that you can't take a hell.
Starting point is 00:21:05 They can't take an L. That's a lot of problems with the young kids, too. They can't take the L. They don't even want to fight. But if they do fight and take the L? I don't even think it's about taking the L. Everything is for social media. Before it was everything, money's to go to the ball.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Now it's attention. Everybody, they don't care if it's good attention, bad attention. And then, God forbid, they get a taste of it. Something happened. They go viral. Now they're sitting there every day thinking of what's the next dumb-ass thing that I could do because I have nothing else really going on
Starting point is 00:21:38 so I can go viral again. You know what? Let me just say something stupid. Like, hey, I'm going to be an astronaut. What do you guys? What do you guys think? I should be an astronaut. Bro, you're dumb.
Starting point is 00:21:48 No, you're not going to be an astronaut. But they know people are going to say that and it keeps it going. So if you have these younger kids and young girls, you see, when you guys, you got to just keep talking. Don't let him get him. You have these younger guys and these younger girls that they get into altercation.
Starting point is 00:22:04 The first thing they're thinking, like, yo, it's going to be all over the internet. I'm going to be on whatever blog and it's going to be the video or it's going to be people saying this. So now I have to up it even for, or I'm not even going to let it go to that point. I got the switch soon as it get crazy.
Starting point is 00:22:22 And now your whole life is going away because for your fear of being the butt of the joke on the internet. And it's crazy because I've seen this one guy and I'm not trying to disrespect you because you probably know who you are. Boom.
Starting point is 00:22:37 No, no, I don't know his name or no, but he's a guy. He danced like the old school dancing. One time he did it, he went viral. Bro. I don't need to watch this guy, breakfast, lunch, and dinner doing the same dance. He's at every party doing the same,
Starting point is 00:22:52 trying to get viral again, because he got viral the first time. This guy's dancing at every ball midst for every day. Like your one man, you got to be crazy, right? My man. He don't. even get no money for that. You don't get money for it. You get the, you get the, oh, that's the girl from, well, that's the guy from, like, it's bad out here. Today's show is brought to you by our
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Starting point is 00:27:11 Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fultonar Stars. And now, I guess also is the co-host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast.
Starting point is 00:27:59 I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer in Jersey. and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.
Starting point is 00:28:15 For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The clout shit is all the way bad, but let me tell you something, the clout, always been the clout. These cops, they locked me up one time. They came to my house six in the morning. It was all the set. by the way. I beat the case.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Right? So they come, no, no, I'm just being honest with you. I know they set you up. I know. No, the guy got beat up by a bunch of Spanish dudes.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Had nothing to do. She wasn't, I'm in the VIP with my wife. Somebody come see me the day before and says, yo, the guy, remember the guy who got beat up? At BB Kings,
Starting point is 00:29:26 you was a sucker, too. Whoever you is, you was a sucker, bro, like a prime time sucker. So they say, yo, he won $50,000 in the brown paper back. He says you beat him up.
Starting point is 00:29:37 I had nothing to do with them with my wife and her friends in the VIP. They come six in the morning in my door. Boom, boom, boom, jersey. Mr. Carter Gina come with us. You robbed the guy at BB King. You beat him up. When I tell you, I had nothing to do with it, Jada. So I go to the precinct.
Starting point is 00:29:54 So the cops come. This is why I'm explaining to you. The cops come regular, I mean, hoodie detectives. So I'm in there. The thing, you know, obviously he pointed me out. He had a girl point me out. She was like, and to think I was a fan.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Like, now, this shit was all a set up, right? The more to the story is about six hours later, they go to take me to send you booking. The same cops walking with fresh haircuts, suits, brand new badges. That's when I knew. I said, oh, shit, the police went the cloud. They walk in like you.
Starting point is 00:30:31 You got a famous picture like you walking out the prison. them nickas couldn't wait. They still jerking off to the picture. 2026. Like, yo, this is when you got the cops trying to get the cloud walking you out? But you have to... Yo, this is crazy.
Starting point is 00:30:47 You have to understand the climate... The level of cloud out here. The president of the United States is tweeting that he's happy. People are dead. Like, literally like... He's tweeting that what? One of the guys, he was like the head of the FBI
Starting point is 00:31:00 something, he died. And he tweeted like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad. dead. Now he stopped harassing innocent people. Like he was investigating him at some point. I was sitting there like, yo, his Gemini knows no bounds. Like he just... Who Trump is a Gemini too? Like, y'all guys?
Starting point is 00:31:16 Yeah. I never knew that. Yeah. Every time I try to figure out Jada kids, I think I go into the Rami package. You know that shit. Every time I try to figure out Jada kiss, because he's some work. I don't think I'm just some work. He's some fucking work. I go
Starting point is 00:31:32 into the Rami catalog. I said, why? acting like that. Maybe, you know, why Remmy would act like this right now? Okay, let me figure this out. I'm changed, thankfully. I've changed.
Starting point is 00:31:44 I'm going into my mobile era. I'm tired of paying people. I'm tired of getting sued. I'm tired of going to Central Buckins. Like, you know, they do it a little nice and that. I don't go through the bookers like I used to, but they come and get you. Like I'll say, they walk you through the side.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Either way, you're selling the bookings. and don't be confused. You're still under arrest. And I just, I just don't, I feel like they taught us wrong. You know, we all grew up. We all grew up thinking like, oh, you got to be the toughest,
Starting point is 00:32:19 you got to be the hardest. And when it comes to the matters that actually matter in life, the people that you need to be cool and to get certain people, they don't want the toughest person. They don't want, they meet. They're little sheep.
Starting point is 00:32:32 They don't want to let a wolf in here. And if you come in there, even when I come to now, till the day, people like, Ramshy, we see it, but we know Remi Ma's somewhere in there.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Nah, she ain't in there no more. She's in there. She's a mom. She's in there. For sure. For sure. But I'm trying to say
Starting point is 00:32:51 you don't like that shit no more. Just because I don't like it, just because I don't like it, and just because I don't want to be that doesn't mean, you always got to stay on point. You could drop me off. Anything can happen today's tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:33:01 You drop me off in the hood. I'm going to be good. I'm okay. I'm not that. Where I'm at, Bill, Prison, Beirut, Africa, stuff. I'm going. I'm going to figure it out, for sure, 100%. I do not know where I was at.
Starting point is 00:33:12 I think I was in Miami. Bell Harbor, something I took the elevator, the door open. It looked like a guy that it could go down with. Like, you know, it looked like he could be a problem. In Bell Harbor, the nicest place in the world. The door open, I'm by myself. I see the guy. Something rubbed me wrong.
Starting point is 00:33:31 I said, oh, shit. And then I realized he walks in, I walk out. I said, yo, this shit can get popping anywhere. Mm-hmm. Anywhere. Like, you know, I'm at Bell Harbor, you know, about to eat some steak and sushi and shit and chill. And the door opened. And I said, okay, this guy, me, you know, because you can tell when people don't like you.
Starting point is 00:33:52 You know what I'm saying? You got that, nah, real talk. You could tell when people got a vibe like, it's a vibe about him that you just like, all right, you know. How about it? like you eat. I'm supposed to say, I'll be okay with people. I can't.
Starting point is 00:34:09 I can't. Go ahead. I'm waiting. I'm sitting here. It's so nice a he-he-ha-ha. What? Why am I here? What are we doing?
Starting point is 00:34:18 What's going on? What are we talking about? Time you saying. Jay, they got the nice nails old polish. You got something to ask this woman that she? I'm here for the people. Y'all over here promoting binding. I've never promoted in violence.
Starting point is 00:34:31 You talk about really death. I've never been moved out. Listen, all I can say is with you, because you got everything going on. You capitalizing and conquering land and having your network and doing shit. I call it doing shit. You get money and you living life beautifully
Starting point is 00:34:51 and you, you know what I mean? You're handling business. How are you gauge when to make music and release music? Is it when you get pissed off? Is it just? When you hear something you like, is it when you're hearing a bunch of shit you hate? So when it comes to music, and it's sad because music is, that's my baby.
Starting point is 00:35:13 That's how I got here. I tell people it's time like hip-hop is the most amazing stepping stone ever. You stand on that drone, you be an actor, you be an owner of a network, you have a hair company, you have coffee. All this is just because you know how to rap good. because let's be clear, the ones that don't really know how to rap that good
Starting point is 00:35:33 they don't really never really pan out for them. I had a conversation with somebody when they was like, I don't know, I thought rappers are dumb. I was like, not the good ones.
Starting point is 00:35:42 All the good ones I know, not only they're extra smart, they're funny. They have a, they could be borderline comedians and they're really smart. The whack ones, yeah, they're dumb.
Starting point is 00:35:53 They're not too intelligent. But I feel like when I realized, I just used to want to be the nicest. I used to, I go up, listening to you, listening to, ask, listening to... That answer right then to cut you off is the answer that
Starting point is 00:36:08 is the perfect answer. And if you asked these so-called MCs, they will never give that answer. Yeah, I just wanted to be the best. Yeah, I just want to be the nicest ever. Like, once people were like, yo, Bram really got it, I was cool. Anything after that, I was cool with it.
Starting point is 00:36:23 If I make some bread off of it, cool. If I'm able to put out another project cool, but when you start doing other things and be clear, I know my pen goal, I am being nicest. None of these chicks and most of these dudes can't touch me when it comes to the draft thing. But it's a gamble.
Starting point is 00:36:41 And when you know you nice and you're gambling with your talent, it's frustrating. When you start doing other things and seeing how much more money you can make, guarantee money. Like, I know for a fact, my check is going to be there.
Starting point is 00:36:55 I know for a fact it's going to clear. I'm not worrying about sales. I'm not worrying about sales. about getting on the road is going to be there. When you start realizing that you can take your other talents and make just as much, if not more money, unfortunately,
Starting point is 00:37:07 your love and the music, it takes a backseat. I think it might have fucked up the game, though. Because me and him, other than we doing this show, I don't know what he's doing, right, but this is my job. You're a fucking liar,
Starting point is 00:37:20 because I just spoke to Dre yesterday. He told me you got a fucking boy. Why are you lying? You're lying. Listen. What? What? You was about to say, you know, this is, he was about to say and tell me, this is my, this is my job.
Starting point is 00:37:34 This is my job. I just sent him a beat the other day. I just sent him some shit the other day. That's crazy. So he's about to wrap. And Dre just told me 24 hours ago, yo, crack ain't let you. I said, no. I said, oh, he hide.
Starting point is 00:37:49 So outside of the one instance. That's just when I got a day off. This is like, this is secondary for me. Now he has a day off. I think that's what they get asked. This is secondary for you? It's my job. I call it one B.
Starting point is 00:38:06 I like calling one B. But rapping. 1A all forever today. Mail me to the winner. One A. But like she said, after people like us find out of what, you got all the type of shit.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Everybody. Yeah, yeah. I just seen a T.S. Westwood. stupid I'm a stupid day. I need my T.S. I shit hard. I ain't.
Starting point is 00:38:31 I shit hard. When you... I told slow, y'all. What you said could happen, though, if it... Once people start realizing the real bags is elsewhere, then you don't want them to... If you think about it...
Starting point is 00:38:46 Well, it's not necessarily that it's elsewhere because you have some people have who have been able to capitalize and then music both. But there's this other particular group of people that they don't get it. I don't care how nice you are. How spiritual, lyrical,
Starting point is 00:39:03 miracle put them all together. Like, when you get to the point and it's not creating income, it's not creating revenue, you're in your 40s, maybe 50s, and it has not hit. Like now, what do you do? And sometimes when it comes to those people,
Starting point is 00:39:19 they don't know how to take it. Like, you see how you're like, oh, it's 1A, 1B, because you have the option to have that. Joe has the option to sit here, on his couch. He could go do Rwine. He could go sitting up in YC. He can go worry about some other property shit he got going on. And then if he decides to have one of the biggest producers in the game that happens to be our brother, send him something. He'd go on the studio, then he can.
Starting point is 00:39:39 He can do it as he choose. Some people, they don't have that liberty. He's really in that studio every day, every night trying to make a hit, hoping that it changed their life. And some people's life is just never going to change. Unfortunately, no, I'm not even trying to be funny. Everybody can't be a superstar in music. Every single, everywhere you go. How hard is it for you to see stuff online
Starting point is 00:40:03 and all that and just stay quiet and just, because you've been a real adult? Well, it depends. It depends because... She's growing. She's growing. She's a... It's a... Yeah, it's that...
Starting point is 00:40:18 I'm at the house, I'm sure. I'm calling Joe on the way. Like, Joe, you're going to be mad before they call you and tell you, I'm telling you where I'm going, bye, hang up. Like, now it's more like for me, when I know the truth, when you know the real, somebody sitting there talking lies about you saying that you're a certain type of person
Starting point is 00:40:37 and you know that's not you. I'm not arguing with you about who I am because I know who I am and not for now you know who I am. You can lie to all the people that all you want. Now, when it gets to the point... I don't think it's fair. I don't like when that...
Starting point is 00:40:52 when it's displayed on the cyber world. What you mean? Like relationship? Well, it's never going to be. They don't care. So here's the thing. But it's uncontrollable to avoid it. You can't control it.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And also, you can't want people, want the praise and the love with shit good. And then with shit bad, shit bad, you got to take it. You got to take it. You got to take it. The motherfucker go to the hospital for a flu and throw the camera on your praise for me. Pray is my issue. Pray is up. Like, yo, my man, get the, if you don't get the fuck up out of here, my man.
Starting point is 00:41:26 I don't know how to argue on the internet. Like, I don't, I'm not arguing with nobody on the internet. I'm not going back and forth. Because I am going, as soon as you say, though, or post the one thing that I'm at your doorstep. Also, nine times a lot of ten, I probably want to do something to you anyway. And I don't want a track record. So I'm talking about, talk to yourself, say which I want, create whatever and average. Man, they shit on me all day.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Everybody in the world. In real life. In real life. And I'm not saying. his acting like I'm the toughest because I went to prison. I'm just, when I tell you nobody disrespects me. Like in real life, I have it. I have a great life.
Starting point is 00:42:03 But when I tell you nobody, and it's not because because I never get disrespected, Jane. It's not because of who. My brother is. No on the end of the internet. No, no, it's not because of who my brother is. Not because of who I'm with. I've always got respect because of me.
Starting point is 00:42:19 People respect me because of me. And not just because. I'm saying you should respect but I give respect I'm not just a disrespectful person I don't just like this I realize it took me years to realize what people think you are
Starting point is 00:42:34 is what they go by so there's times where perception where people think you are that's where they go up it's been times I walk into situations and I felt the energy when I woke in the room
Starting point is 00:42:45 like oh okay I see what's up by the time I'm going everybody loves me because this is no why would you not love me I'm actually fire. But I just feel like when people are lying. I ain't fucked by the time I leave,
Starting point is 00:43:01 they're like, damn, that was a great guy. Your natural reaction is to be like, that's not what happened. This is what happened. But I realize if you just do this, it ain't a little while. People start saying for this stuff. You don't even go to say nothing.
Starting point is 00:43:20 I don't want to talk. I don't have to talk. I don't have to say nothing. And those who can't understand anything, then maybe it's not. nothing. You can't fool all the people all the time. You can fool some of the people, some of the time. And I got one of my men. Not all the people all the time. I got one of my jewelry. Yeah, you can fool some of the people, some of the time. You can fool some of the people
Starting point is 00:43:41 all of the time. You cannot fool all the people all the time. It just doesn't work like that. I got one of my best friends came to me. He's like, yo, one of our other breast friends is talking the bottom or former best friends talking about him. He's like, yo, all I did. No, no, I'm talking about family shit. I'm just speaking in general. One of my men's, one of my best friends came to my house
Starting point is 00:44:06 the other day. First of all, if he comes to my house, he's one of the beyond close ones, by the way. So he's sitting down, y'all, you believe such as such as talking about me and this and this and that. And, you know, after everything I did for him and how I looked out and this and this and that.
Starting point is 00:44:22 And I hear him struggling with it. I'm like, yo, bro, listen, it's going to get even ugly. Like, you know, I've looked out for people and they dead ass, don't went on camera. We're like, he never gave me nothing. And I'm like, Joe called me ugly. We'd be on the phone.
Starting point is 00:44:41 Mind you, we only fake, we only talk on face time. Joe calls me on a regular call. I'm worried. Something's happening. Why are you calling me record? We only talk on FaceTime. Bonnet. Chest airs out. That's how we talk, right? So he's on the phone, right? He said, he was like, since I'm the only one you like call your body. Right?
Starting point is 00:44:58 Yeah, that's right. But anyway, so you have, he would call me and he'd be upset. He'd like, yo, I gave them this and I bought a new house and I got a new car. And he was behind in the child support. And I used to, in my favorite line, I tell, I say it. It's like one of my models. People don't want what you give them. They want what you got.
Starting point is 00:45:21 It's so funny because I hear people say it now. Say that down slow. Say that slow. People don't want what you give them. They want what you got. So you can give them in the house. But you go, you go, you go get a new car. The same person that you just bought a house,
Starting point is 00:45:36 they say in there like, well, I ain't giving a new car. You pop out with the new, new jury on, just change your setup. I call this nigga, walk around with a new job. I got the same. Oh, it's mine. So you have to come to a point. I have to really tell them one day.
Starting point is 00:45:49 You sat down. I said, Joe, you don't own nobody nothing. You don't own nobody nothing. Your kids are grown. Everybody who's coming to you are grown with kids that are grown. I don't ask my brother for anything. I don't come to borrow no money from him. I don't come to help you.
Starting point is 00:46:08 I got this crazy. People always got the craziest ideas that involve your money and their idea. I don't come there for that. You don't owe nobody nothing. Don't let nobody make you feel like you owe them. Don't make, let nobody make you feel like you don't deserve what you have. We don't know how long we're going to be here. We have one life.
Starting point is 00:46:23 What's the craziest shit friend or family member an idea they had they wanted you to invest in? What's the craziest idea you ever heard? Oh, I go. I wanted me to invest in a gambling spot.
Starting point is 00:46:42 I said. You mean gambling with the word of it being gamble? Yeah, I'd rather not. Nah, you could be like the house. Oh, you want me to be the bank For your gambling. So you're okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:56 What was one of the... All type of shit. Food trucks. Gambling spots. Insane. You don't go in the middle and be like, you don't think you should ask them for that right now, God. No, you know, here's my thing.
Starting point is 00:47:14 I think when... So here's... I feel like us, you know, where we come from, that's the thing with us. Because I don't see somebody who goes to work, nine and five. I have this argument to say, yo, you went to such a such concert, you ain't take me or you. I would like, so if I had a regular nine to five, right, and we had an office Christmas party, you wouldn't come. You wouldn't come. I'm not going to be
Starting point is 00:47:37 at work in my office. You're sitting in a coffee break room. You're not going to, so let's treat, this is my job at the end of the day. So no, you're not coming. It's not a big party. We're not doing that, but you have people that be upset. I had a former friend tell me, you know, you ain't never take me, you know, I was never had no video. shoots. I never, you know, went to any of the parties and this and this. Like that's crazy to me. You really wronged them. But listen to me. I said, right. She had never been in any video shoots, never been in the studio with me, nothing. I said, but you were inviting to my baby shower. You were
Starting point is 00:48:14 invited to my wedding, my house warming, like the regular barbecue that I have at my house. Real love. The things that matter. And they don't realize that. Because that doesn't matter. Because they're somewhere telling somebody else. I know Jada kiss. I know bad Joe. Well, why you wasn't at his party then?
Starting point is 00:48:34 Why you wasn't on Joe and Jada then? If you know him or if you know him, why you work in two jobs? That's your friend? He working two jobs. I have to explain to something. Like one of my friends that I, like most of my friends that I have that's not in the industry are my friends that I did time with. Like those became my real friends because they were my friends when I
Starting point is 00:48:51 didn't use all the same boat. You know what I'm saying? So one of my friends, she had came to me and she had gotten into an argument of somebody that we used to say, it's like, yo, you'd be going mad hard for her. She don't even fuck with you like that. You got two jobs. She should put you in position to this. And she was like, I said, you want me again?
Starting point is 00:49:06 She's like, I didn't really know how to explain it to them. But I was just like, she's on something like, fuck you. I don't care. That's my friend. That's it. I said, explain it to them like this. I met you when we were incarcerated. I was 26 years old.
Starting point is 00:49:20 You know how many friends I had before I got to you? You know how many family members come? cousins, nieces, this is before I get to you, if I'm saying nobody has to work because you know me, you don't got to work, you don't got to do that, you get to drive the best cars of it, the best neighborhood. Before I get to a girl that I met when I was incarcerated, I got so many other people to get to before I get to them.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Like, it's just never going to happen like that. It just doesn't make sense. And you got people that's out here that really think like that. They feel like if you are a celebrity and if you make money or you rich, anything that happens to you, you deserve it. If somebody attacks you, oh, well, you shouldn't want to be famous. Oh, it's horrible. You get penalized for being famous.
Starting point is 00:50:02 It's horrible. You're not allowed to have real feelings. You're not, oh, you respond to somebody else. She must ain't got no work. She got time. No, I've seen yours because you're the only one out of the 2,000 comments that's popping shit. So, yeah, yours stood out. Now I'm a bomb on you and now you block.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Took all of 10 seconds out of my life. I didn't lose a contract. I don't lose nothing. So wow you out. See how I just turned into the regular I mean right there? No, because I did it too.
Starting point is 00:50:27 I answered the bum niggas and then everybody get bad at me. Yo, you know, this, this stuff. But that's what the disrespectful bums of the world are banking on. They're hoping that they can disrespect you. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:50:41 They don't want a response. They're hoping that they can disrespect you, continue to disrespect you, and that either you or someone around who's going to say, don't respond to them. They beneath you But in their world
Starting point is 00:50:56 They're good in their world And they're big fish Like I really had somebody tell me Somebody who is nobody to me Nobody They're more lit You more lit than me Because you're a clown
Starting point is 00:51:08 You're a clown Like me I'm the type of person Don't talk about me I've called blogs before Like yo Take that pose down They were like
Starting point is 00:51:19 But we were saying something good I don't give a fuck I don't want you talking good about me. Don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. Don't talk about me, period. Because you think, because you post something good about me, yeah, it's cool.
Starting point is 00:51:29 So now when you come next week and post some fuck shit, you're going to be like, well, you just say nothing when you're posting that. I know type of time I mean, take me off your page. I don't get it. I don't get it. Before you run into me in a bathroom somewhere. I don't get it. Joe and Jada show.com.
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Starting point is 00:52:54 You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:53:18 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right what you need to be.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.
Starting point is 00:53:59 What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:54:17 To be clear, 84's big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?
Starting point is 00:54:40 Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars. And now, I guess, also is the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer in Jersey. and John and I have known each other since we were kids.
Starting point is 00:55:04 My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years
Starting point is 00:55:21 since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Rem, how many years you've been with me, Ram? Uh, 29. Have you ever seen a single human being play me pussy in your life? It was this one time, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was this best, I'm going to tell you, the closest ever, right? The closest ever, never, ever playing pussy.
Starting point is 00:56:16 That one time we was in Miami. And we were surrounded by 300 niggins, for real? Oh, yeah, is it 330, Ram? Okay, it was about... No, it was about 150 minutes at least. For real, it was a lot. And the most notorious niggas to ever live in... The United States of America.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Joe's about six weeks. He's four or something. This guy's about five inches taller than Joe. He's about the color of his pillow. The only thing you see is the white of his eyes. And he's grilling Joe like this, right? And Joe's standing there, Joe like this. In my head, all I'm saying is don't look away.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Because whoever look away versus pussy, do not look away. You better not look away. This is what I'm saying in my head, Joe like this. Nigger, looking at him. This shit probably went on for about three seconds. In my brain, it felt like an hour. we were standing there. I don't know where God sent these two police angels from.
Starting point is 00:57:12 I didn't know where these two cops just walking. All right, guys, break this up, split it up. I was just happy because it was not going to end well for us. We were definitely outnumbered. But I felt good in my heart that... It wasn't going to end well for them. My brother, who he thought he was in something up, didn't look away. I was like, that's right.
Starting point is 00:57:32 We do not look away. I don't care. We got staring down to the end. Like, they ain't blinking nothing. So, no. I've seen that story I tell all the time. The guy was like seven feet cocked. Yeah, I was there.
Starting point is 00:57:42 No, I was in jail one time. Oh, that guy. Drew was waiting for me. His arms was like a wrestler. Like Jim, this guy was so, I looked there to me, tried in front of me. I said, my man, are you, do you know who you trying to see?
Starting point is 00:57:57 You're going to need a hundred more of you. Like the nerve of you. Are you? Me? Are you? I was actually shocked. That was like, yo, I'm shocked. You're trying to talk to me.
Starting point is 00:58:10 But, no, I thought you were talking about that night. Yeah, with the BMF dudes. Oh, yeah, in Miami. It was crazy. So his, but some people watch this and be like, that's dumb. That's how you get injured. That's it. Me, knowing my brother, and we have the, we're cut from the same floor.
Starting point is 00:58:27 The pain that I would be in, knowing that I let somebody punk me, me knowing. I don't care if nobody's there. It's me. and the one from me, me knowing that I let you get away with that, I can't sleep. So we might as well just, we might as well just shake this shit up. Stop moving to furniture now.
Starting point is 00:58:45 They were chasing your favorite rappers down the strip all over. You heard of it? You keep talking about it. They were chasing all your favorite rappers. It wasn't chasing. No, they wasn't. Who the fuck was they chase? Man, it was bad out there.
Starting point is 00:59:01 It was a sad day for hip-hop. Let me tell you some. I had a couple of sad days. for hip-hop where I looked around and I was the only guy I swear, yo, I'll tell you a quick story. Never quick story. No, I don't talk about these kind of things
Starting point is 00:59:18 because I'm affiliated with some really dangerous people and a lot of shit happened and they helped all type of people. I see no type of shit happen. To executives, artists, so-called gangsters, drug dealers, kingpits, ladies. You ever seen something happen to me? No.
Starting point is 00:59:36 This is like that happened to, Joe. No. Did you ever see anything happen to me? No. What I'm saying is, all right. So we're going to. So we could. And that and that and, and there goes what I'm talking to.
Starting point is 00:59:49 It's no, nobody ever did anything to me in this music industry besides words. So it's no example. Or in regular. But that's, I haven't had a physical, a nigga ain't. It been so long. I didn't even got. I don't. That's how I feel.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Nah. But I'm telling me. And I'm outside. Everywhere. I'm outside. Y'all see me. Everywhere. What we're talking about?
Starting point is 01:00:14 It's me. Let's talk about the Yankees. Let's talk about the Knicks. Let's talk about life. But I don't even, I think, I think we've all been blessed enough to make it to where we are now. I never thought. But the reason I brought that up is why I'm telling you is I'd be looking sometimes very, I don't know more. I had a name for them too and shit so we don't say it.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Scott Rizzie, you got to use the bathroom. Sky Rizzi. No, no, they got a new one, Trimfire. Trim fire. Y'all kiss, Trimfire moment. But I look at the blogs. And dudes be talking, man, reckless in the blogs. Like, like, yo, if I saw a homie, I just, I don't know where that comes.
Starting point is 01:01:04 Once I see anybody making any type of physical threat on social media, I automatically think you're pussy and you're not going to do nothing. Either it's either two things. It's either you're bad shit crazy and you want to go to jail and you're just leaving a record of it. So when you do it and they come back and they come back and they can be like, we only got to go to trial right here. You said you were going to do it.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Or somebody did it too. Or you don't plan on doing nothing because why would you do that? Why are you sitting here? Like what possess you? somebody got you so mad that you went on it. And when I catch you and when I see you, I send something like that to your personal phone, but I would never put nothing like that when it ended.
Starting point is 01:01:44 It just doesn't make sense to me. And most of the time, it never happened. You see the follow-up video a couple of months over where they was in the same place and someone came and said, this is not worth it, and they squashed it. Like, that's nuts. All the time.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Like, all the time. I know people who literally was, doing something, knowing that they never had nowhere to, this person was the last person they ever wanted to run into on the quiet street. It was spoken crazy, but they felt comfortable doing it because they knew nine times out of 10, if and when they ever ran to this person, it was probably going to be somewhere in a type of setting like this,
Starting point is 01:02:22 where somebody's going to have enough or a little bit of the sense to be like, chill, don't do that, yo, y'all, y'all can talk, come over here, whatever. Fortunately, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, some people don't really be on it like this. Some people's like, yo, okay, you said that one, stand on it. Don't think we could come later and piece it up because now, unless you plan on apologizing or piecing it up, the same thing you were disrespecting me.
Starting point is 01:02:47 50 cent going to have to fight like 18 people or something, right? First of all, non-times of us, the people he'd be arguing is never even going to, they're not even in the tax bracket to be in the rooms that he'd be in. That's one. And if they happen to be in the same place, he's in there moving how he's supposed to move? like a super rich mogul that he is. Yeah, everybody talking all crazy, but they be running around with a second.
Starting point is 01:03:10 Do you see what's on my arms? Do you see, why would I be standing in this hole in the wall waiting for you to come over here because you can't possibly think you're just going to come over here and do something to me? Yeah, they do all that and they be having the security. I encourage anybody. Anybody, whatever your profession is.
Starting point is 01:03:26 I don't think that's the issue no more. Right. In the day, you used to say, no security and all. People still be trying to pull that car. You got security. If you are worth more. No, if you're worth anything. Security than a $7 million bail.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Or not even that because I just feel like if you have anything that you feel is worth anything, you are supposed to protect it. And in both situations, we are the brand. Why would I let your bum, dusty, dirty, peeling back cute, cool ass near me? You're never going to touch me. See, that thing right there, y'all just. talking about what styles had a big problem with. What?
Starting point is 01:04:07 What? You stabbing, they're shooting, and they're doing all that. It was costing them money in jail. To you start eating plants. You start figuring out. I don't even think, you know what it is? And I love styles.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Like, I went to his suspension. Still finding, the less violent. The problem with some of us, and I'm not going to say, but someone like a styles, we grew up different. We grew up where you can't just say you're going to do something to somebody and then see them and don't do it. You can't threaten people.
Starting point is 01:04:41 You can't even, you can't even really come in my space and disrupt what I got going on here because who you're talking to? Who you talk? And then, but we live in an era where people don't care. I know for a fact that there are people who know, if you go up to Fed Joe or you say X, Y, Z, it's probably not going to end well. He's going to, he's going to react. there's certain people that I know I might walk up to and I say this and they ain't going to do nothing. So they come hoping like, I know he's going to do that.
Starting point is 01:05:09 I hope you do just enough so that I could get some money out of it, but I don't think he's going to kill me. You know how many lawsuits Mike Tyson paid for? Mike Tyson might have been 50. Because why are you playing with Mike Tyson? Yo, like, why are you playing and act up, listen to me. Listen to me.
Starting point is 01:05:28 Listen to me. You, talk to people all the time. Stop playing with. Right. Stop playing with real niggas. People be out here playing with real niggas. People be out here playing with people that really, they're not playing with you.
Starting point is 01:05:42 They're not used to the disrespect. They're not used to the internet. He-hi-ha-ha shit. And it's going to be an issue. Like, I believe, I'd be sitting in my Christmas and time, like, I should turn this shit up. And then I'll be like, you know what? What I'm going to do is make another nobody lit.
Starting point is 01:05:58 All I'm going to do is get somebody who probably wouldn't have been able to go on that trip. Natty on the trip. I literally paintings and watch them. Every now. Every now. On trip with my bread, like watching them. If right now, I have an argument with a dude coming outside this building.
Starting point is 01:06:13 Yes. And they film me. All of a sudden, Pedro becomes famous. Somehow he's arguing with Joe. He's something nice. Oh, absolutely. I did the two to four. Sing Sing, banged out with the guards.
Starting point is 01:06:26 You know, my man, you know, body. Right? But we got to be careful because somebody can get us. upset. So, you know, I see you run down the stairs. Nobody knew who the fuck they was. They was living in their fucking corner, Krusty House Ian Romano's. Now they lit.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Because you said something to them. I don't understand that. It's so crazy. It's happened to me before. With music, no, it's happening. With music, right? Let's get back to the regular schedule program. With music. Where you at with your music? Are you ever coming out with music?
Starting point is 01:06:58 Are you like, you? You listen to it with you. I mean, all right, so here's the thing. She's working right now. Here's the thing. I might be the, I used to clown Drey from Cool and Drey for this because Ray had the most amazing award-winning album for like 20 years. That's never come out.
Starting point is 01:07:20 He keeps taking it like, y'all put it out. It's fire. It's crazy. He'll take another song out, put a new one in. Take another one out. I've been doing that. But see, mine's a little bit different. That's good.
Starting point is 01:07:30 But prior to COVID, everything was lined up to go. I decided to have my daughter and have my daughter that pushed things back. I thought it was only going to push it back a couple of months and pushed it back about two years. Pushed it back about two years and then COVID happened. So that added like another two years.
Starting point is 01:07:47 We come out of COVID. And I just been doing state of the coach in the crib online cracking them. Like, oh, hold on, wait. The music isn't cool, but let's figure out how to get to this bag away. I didn't have to lead a crap. So it's like, we would do shit, me and Joe, we will do shit.
Starting point is 01:08:07 Or I have an urge. Like, I came here today. I was in the studio last night. I had beat something that inspires me. Or I just think of something. Like, I feel like as artists, sometimes something, you're like, oh, that's fire. I got to put that down. And I feel like it's time.
Starting point is 01:08:23 I feel like it's time. This year is the 20-year anniversary of my first and only solo hour. 20 years this year. And I still step on that stage, shake it with conceited. We all in this, dude. Shake it like. Like, I feel so right.
Starting point is 01:08:40 You know, she gets a big no-no and she gets upset when I start dancing at her shows. Like, we all in it. Apparently, you don't think I could dance, right? It's not that. It'd be a lot of hips going on. He do this with his lips.
Starting point is 01:08:56 Like, it was only this particular song. When this song, he does this little hip thing. you got the lips. I'm like, I love that shit. I'm in his zone. You see the snap? You see it hit the snap?
Starting point is 01:09:07 Yeah, I love you too. I feel like it's time. A couple of times that I wanted to put music out, I feel like we were in a different climate. I felt like it's time to make bitches rap again. Like, y'all got to start rapping again. And who else better than me? Then to be like, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:23 You know, I always feel like you're the best female rapist. Jay DeKis doesn't feel like that. I'm not in his top five female rappers. I saw the episode. How are you going to say that? I saw the episode. I'm not in his top five female rappers. You don't like this?
Starting point is 01:09:37 No, because it's too many of you. That's strange. I never felt it hard to put you in my top five. So, I mean, yeah, it's too many. You win my top five. Nah, I'm going to get top five because I'm sitting here right now. Nah. Let me, let me, let me, watch the next show.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Y'all don't know this. You know, my first single ever, Jada kiss was on. Like, it never came out. Like, it came up, but it didn't come out. It was when I was on live. Records. Right after I started my deal, remember with Laow, Laow went under. I had a record. It's called
Starting point is 01:10:03 Monster. And and Jada was on, it's my first ever. And Rem got a, me and Rem always been tight. And you're supporting the ladies, man. You just did Angela Renee Simmons. You forgot her name.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Just doing anything. Because I... This guy's Tracy. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, I'm just saying. You just saying anything. Yeah, yeah. How you did 20-something years.
Starting point is 01:10:29 with this guy's crazy. Really? He's crazy. She did call me, ladies and gentlemen, give me the tutorial. This is how you got to, this is what you need to do for the crap. You're right.
Starting point is 01:10:44 You gave him the Surgeon General. You gave him the warning or the... Listen, I said... When they was doubting and they didn't think it was going to work. I see my Jim and our brother was having. I said, listen, you got to get in. He's not going to let you in. If you let him, he's going to talk all day.
Starting point is 01:11:01 He's going to tell a story. It's never a short story. It's entertaining so you'll get sucked in. He's very entertaining. Pause. Well, I don't know. I don't think they said girls don't have to pause, no. You don't have to.
Starting point is 01:11:13 But girls don't got applause? For what? They're the ones. They're the obvious. It's a great thing. You want to get sucked in. When they say, yeah. That don't work for girls.
Starting point is 01:11:26 I don't support for ladies. She said something about. Man, I never noticed the point is only a guy's here. He wants to post somebody. He's killing me up here. You'll be saying, wow, paled. Yo, you say the most flayed things. I be sitting in a soon as you, I be saying like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:11:44 Hey, look at the throat you in ladies. Your sister, let me explain, son of you. Before rap music, I used to tell dudes, no picks, no picks. No picks. I was the guy that wasn't jumping in people's picks because that's how the feds was catching people. Right. I tell our stories to us,
Starting point is 01:12:02 but if anybody came up in that studio that we wasn't cool, we didn't know this is that. I would not talk in front of them, right? This poor shit, I ain't never played this in my life and I got 20,000 flagstone because of the poor, now I got to be like a poor's catalog now. I got to watch everything I said, huh, excuse me? I want to say something, right?
Starting point is 01:12:25 And this is something. Timberland logo. Listen, Joe. Joey. Joey, I want to say that I'm happy. I'm happy to see you here. You get to, I call you doing your graffiti shit, you drawing, you're chilling. You get to come here, throw all your fly shit on, tell your stories.
Starting point is 01:12:47 His favorite thing is telling stories. Like, I want you to know. It's great here because we're in the setting where the camera's on. He tells these stories at home. You're not allowed to look at your phone. Nothing. He'd be like, Ram. Ram.
Starting point is 01:12:56 I'm like, I'm just sitting in the text. He'll wait till your text is done. You're going to put the phone because he has to have your full undivided attention. For you to be able to be in the space and just do something that you naturally do and get to your bag, I love that for you. I love you more, but you know who I love? My God, though.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Baby. That one there. She was singing that usher and valet saw him out of fire. She's different. I got four pictures of her in my room. Mabid. This on here. She comes in.
Starting point is 01:13:26 And to come to the rules, Pop, pop, let me tell you something. I said, you got four pitches. I think you're five. No, but what he's not telling me
Starting point is 01:13:40 is they sit on the phone on FaceTime and gas each other all day. Mama, you're so beautiful. Oh, you know, you're so pretty. You're so smart. I'm a pretty good golf, father, right? And then she goes right back.
Starting point is 01:13:52 Papa, you're so fly. Let me see your sneakers. Those are the fly. Really, mama? Yes, Papa. They don't even use their real voices. I'm in a side vomit like this. Disgusting.
Starting point is 01:14:05 Like, I can't even talk. Like, when I threaten like, people are like, I'm going to tell your father, I'm telling your grandmother. I'd be like, let me tell your Godfather what you did what you just did. You know, she comes in my house, she run the whole shit. She's an angel. They come in, no bathing suit, no nothing. They got to go out and buy the bathing suit.
Starting point is 01:14:23 Come back because she want to go in the pool. her and Lonnie, and they just run shit. Real bad. I keep saying that I want to be so rich by the time she gets 18. What she's about as he age? He's ruining my life, guys. And she could just walk in and be like,
Starting point is 01:14:39 yo, pop, pop, I'm taking the boat. This guy tells my daughter. I listen to mommy, but I promise you. I'm not going to have to work. I be like, yo, bro, why are you telling her how that? She has chores. Go clean them, I'm sorry. Put the toys up.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Papa said I don't have to work. Papa not here. Clean not. Get up on being problems. My family, no. That's part of my shit. Like, yo, I want to get to the point of where she lived like that she's a fucking past.
Starting point is 01:15:09 My brother is one of the few real men in the world. He thinks the woman shouldn't work. She shouldn't have to pay bills. Like, he strongly feels like that. Like, I keep trying and sound like, yo, hook me up. The fuck. Like, find the people that think like you. I'm tired of paying it.
Starting point is 01:15:23 I'm tired of paying forever. I don't pay the war. He shouldn't have to win. This ain't that? And that is this? It's cracking kiss, God damn. Take some noise for Rilly, man. A win is a win.
Starting point is 01:15:44 A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement
Starting point is 01:15:57 to my brand new podcast, the Clifford Show. This is a place for wrong. all unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me.
Starting point is 01:16:22 84's big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year.
Starting point is 01:16:39 I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast, Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer, Zoe Spencer, and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum Pierre
Starting point is 01:17:02 as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they failed. Listen to Eating While Broke
Starting point is 01:17:15 from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon. And this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far. But I'm John Green,
Starting point is 01:17:29 co-hosted the podcast the away end with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast, the away end, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auerkone and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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